The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1373
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1 hour and 30 minutes
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Summary
In Episode 1373 of The Lotus Eaters, Dan, Josh and Firaz discuss the latest in the latest news regarding the situation in Iran, and whether this is a just war, and how the MI5 vetting candidates for the upcoming election will help save Britain.
Transcript
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Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1373. I'm your host Harry,
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joined today by Dan and Firaz. And we're not going to be looking at anything contentious
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or noteworthy today, really quite boring actually. We're going to be asking why America is at war,
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whether this is a just war, and I'm going to be asking how the MI5 potentially vetting candidates
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for the Reform Party UK, spelled Y-O-O-K-A-Y, will help save Britain. And before we get into that,
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I would just like to remind everybody that we do have a live event, the first one in over four years,
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coming up on the 11th of April. It will be held in Swindon at the Mecca Theatre. It'll be live from
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seven o'clock till ten o'clock, so get tickets whilst you still can. You'll get the chance to see me,
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Firaz, Dan, Josh. I don't know why he shouldn't still work here, but he does. I think he sleeps
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here. You'll get the chance to see plenty of us live and in person and have a good time with us,
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so get those tickets whilst they're still available. Anything else we'd like to say,
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chants? Are we actually going to speak to the people that turn up at this?
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Ah. It would be nice to meet some of them, find out who they are.
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Yes, it'll be a good time. But yeah, with that, I think we should get into the news.
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Well, I don't know if it's news. It's more of a question. So, I mean, I've been sort of offline
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Up in the jungle mountains of Central Asia with my coterie of fresh-faced attendants and three
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bottles of rice wine and no internet during that time. So I come back and I get...
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No, well, there's that. And I get back to the airport having no idea that there's anything going on.
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And there's all these sort of signs and announcements coming out basically saying some version of
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What was the price of fuel before you left compared to when you got back?
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Oh, I checked later. There were people on the flight for whom the price had tripled because
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they didn't book ahead. I booked ahead. So anyway, I get to the airport and they're saying,
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you know, don't panic. Now, if you were already in a state of panic and you get to the airport
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and there's an announcement saying don't panic, that's probably a good thing. If you had no
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idea there was a reason to be concerned and all you can hear is don't panic, it has the
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opposite psychological effect. So anyway, I get on the flight and I had a window seat
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and the two seats in the middle were some Italian couple. So I lean over and say, what
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the hell is going on? And their English wasn't that good, but it was something along the lines
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Oh, okay then. Why is that then? I couldn't quite get that far. So I've managed to pick
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To be fair, even if you'd been paying very close attention to all of the announcements
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made by the White House, you would still not have a great answer to that question.
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Ah, well, that's kind of the purpose of the segment I was going to ask you. Well, let's
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start off with that then. So I've been out of the loop for like, whatever it is, two weeks
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now. And I mean, it seems like overkill to ask this question to a geopolitics guy. So
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I'll just ask you as a civilian. When the announcement came out, yeah, we're going to go to a war with
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Well, first of all, technically, we're not at war with them, even though I believe that
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the Cyprus bases are being used for staging attacks. So Britain is directly involved in
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Collective West. I mean, we all end up on the same side eventually.
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Even Trump's initial announcement seemed to be some variation of we're doing it for the
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What, so Iranian women can have better fashion choices?
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Yes, but that seems to have melted away somewhat immediately after it came out that a Tomahawk
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missile in the first strike was used to bomb an Iranian school full of girls. So the question
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of human rights and women's fashion choices seemed to be somewhat superfluous.
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Then there was, then there was nuclear weapons. They won't be able to get nuclear weapons.
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But hang on, I, I, I distinctly remember a year ago, what was it, like summer of 2025?
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I thought, I thought we went to war with Iran then. And I remember hearing...
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Yes. And I remember hearing at the time that the reason that war stopped is because Iran's
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nuclear weapons capability was completely obliterated. It's gone.
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Yes, they did a bunker buster at, yes, they did a bunker buster at Fordow and two of the
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other nuclear development sites and said on a White House press announcement that you
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can still find online that we have destroyed their nuclear capabilities, which is why we pulled
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back. It had nothing to do with Iron Dome and Israeli defences maybe not being able to
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Okay. But if, if the, if the nuclear capacity was obliterated, like, less than 12 months ago,
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Your explanation is making no sense to me whatsoever.
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Well, I've got a better explanation for you in that case, um, to stop them from having
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Farras, can you help us out? Why do we go to war?
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Uh, there doesn't seem to be a logical reason for it, other than the Israelis wanted it.
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Yes. Well, that was one of the other things that Rubio said in a press conference that then the
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day after to the person who asked him the question in the first place, he said that he
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didn't actually say, despite there being recorded footage of him saying it, which was that the
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calculation was made that there were going to be attacks made against Iran anyway, and that...
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By Israel. And that if America didn't make those attacks first in a kind of preemptive defence
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manner, then American casualties would have been higher than if they had let Israel take
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So, sorry, just to be clear, the US went to war on Iran because Israel was going to go
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Which Israel couldn't do on its own. That's an important detail.
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The Israelis don't have the capability to fight Iran on their own. If it wasn't for American
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missile defence systems, American aircraft shooting down Iranian drones as they come
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in, a whole network of integrated air defence in the region that exists primarily to defend
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Israel, without these capabilities, and without American money, and without American jets,
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and armaments, and so on and so forth, the Israelis would decisively lose any war that they had
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to fight. Even in the Gaza war, they were dependent on endless shipments and, I think, $40 billion.
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Endless shipments of weapons from the United States and $36, maybe $40 billion from the United
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So, the idea that they could beat Iran on their own was always laughable, but Rubio said
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that the Israelis were going to do it anyway, and instead of saying, we fund you and we arm
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you, you will do as we say, the Americans said, oh dear. Well, I guess that settles it.
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So, I think I'm going to get a little bit closer.
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Well, there is also a general catch-all argument, which is that Iran is a global funder of terrorism.
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They've been arming the Houthis. They've been arming Hezbollah for who knows how long.
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They have been funding terror attacks within Britain, they say.
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They also... I don't know where the evidence of this came up.
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People just started saying it one day, that in 2024, they were behind the two assassination
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Donald Trump, in one of the press conferences, said after Khomeini was killed that, well, I got
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him before he got me. But this seems to be kept in the back pocket as a general catch-all
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for any argument that comes out of this, of, well, they fund terrorism across the world,
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which is true, but also seems to be one of many disparate and disconnected arguments that
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they use to justify this, which get interchanged at random, also depending on which member of
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the administration that you're asking, and which day it is, and which way the headwinds
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are blowing. So I can accept that terrorists are bad, because terrorists go around the
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world blowing stuff up and blowing people up, like, you know, school kids, that kind
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of thing. So I accept that's bad. And I think I got a bit closer to your explanation, because
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you were explaining to me that US had to go to a war with Iran, otherwise Israel would
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go to a war with Iran, and they had to go first, because Israel wouldn't be able to
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Okay. Yes. The other thing that sort of took me by surprise a bit is, on my way back
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to the airport, I was thinking, oh, I'm going to be on the podcast tomorrow, and what kind
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of things are likely to be topical. And I was fairly convinced that, you know, it was going
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Because that was a big thing when I left, and there was clearly more to come out, more
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We covered some of it on the Beau show this morning, remember to tune in to Breakfast
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with Beau every morning, Monday through Friday.
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But I was thinking to myself, well, we must be right into the bit where people are getting
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arrested at high levels all over the US and UK and the rest of the West and the world
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by now. And I come back to discover that there's actually very little conversation, if
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Now, if anything, the blowback from the Iran war and the unpopularity of it amongst voters
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across the West has been used as a way for certain political actors, in a similar way
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that Greenland was with European Eurocrats. It's allowed them to build back some of their
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political capital, which had been hit, otherwise, by the Epstein stuff.
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Like, we were talking about a month ago about how Keir Starmer was actually being hit quite
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hard by the Mandelson allegations and the association, and how some people, like McSweeney, had been
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taken out of the Labour Party. We were saying, after everything, perhaps this will be what
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When I left, it looked like he was on the verge of quitting.
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Yes. Instead, Starmer took a fair stance against Donald Trump and said, we don't necessarily
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want to be sending people to die in another war. Obviously, there is the aspect where
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Cyprus is being used as something of a staging ground.
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Yes, and other bases. But that might have actually got him some political capital back
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with people who are unhappy with this war in the first place.
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Well, there's one thing about the Epstein files that came out today. Three Israeli-American
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brothers who had been mentioned in the files were today convicted of smuggling, drugging,
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and raping girls. And they were mentioned in the files, but their names were redacted.
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And now, I think yesterday or today, it's been exposed that they have been convicted, but
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they were convicted for something unrelated to what they were doing with Epstein.
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So, yes, there's some things going on with the Epstein files. There's been more releases
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There were hearings with Bill Clinton asking him about his relationship with Epstein.
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There were leaks about Mandelson just yesterday and today saying that actually Keir Starmer had
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a very good idea about the continuing nature of the relationship between Mandelson and
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But essentially, people who were going to be arrested anyway have been arrested.
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But the effect of starting the war on Iran on behalf of Israel has had the happy side effect
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of shoring up the positions of the people in the Epstein files who were not going to be
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I mean, I did like this tweet from Khomeini and the fact that he is still posting even
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after being killed just lends weight to the theory that some of us had that he wasn't doing
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So, actually, he might have been part of the silent generation.
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But you can rest assured Ayatollah Khomeini is dead and was replaced by his son, Ayatollah Khomeini.
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Well, that's the thing, is that Hegseth himself came out and said that this isn't
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And then he looked straight into the camera and said, with a great deal of self-assurance,
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And, in fact, the rest of the government apparatus was still there.
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So, this wasn't billed as a regime change operation at the beginning, then?
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It's about everything that they say it's about, and it's about nothing that they say
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it's about, and they keep changing their minds as to what is this war actually about.
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We still have no definitive win criteria, except for Donald Trump coming out and saying
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But then, was it yesterday or this morning he came out and said, actually, we've already
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So, this bit here, the Strait of Hormuz, that's open now, is it?
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I mean, the other thing I think about this is, I mean, there's a couple of points on
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I remember they wanted to change the regime in Syria.
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So, here we've got Iran, which is a very big country, going to war with this very small
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And then you've got this sort of, well, still relatively small country over here.
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How long did it take them to change the regime in Syria?
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So, how did they think that they were going to change the regime in this considerably
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larger, considerably more prepared, considerably more mountainous, considerably more populous
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Well, let's not also forget, Firaz, reminders, when they changed the regime in Syria, who did
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They went to the White House and they went to the World Economic Forum.
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Well, but they're the good guys now and they went to the World Economic Forum.
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So says Howard Lutnick, who just happens to not be on the trade centre that day.
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Are we talking about the same jihadis who make a point of killing as many Christians as possible
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So now they just kill a large number of Christians, periodically.
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These days they've been focusing on the Alawites and the Druze, but the Christians' turn will
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They're massing their soldiers along the border with Lebanon in order to invade Lebanon
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Oh, and also, just randomly, there was a Wall Street Journal article about maybe targeting
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Because if I was being incredibly cynical about this, I could say that, I don't know, I pick
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a certain country in this region, I draw a circle around it, and that's the sort of target
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I mean, this shouldn't be funny, but there is a massive element of farce to the whole
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Because of how incompetent, disorganized, unpopular even within different factions of
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There are many parts of the regime outside of the White House that don't seem to have been
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I mean, with Iraq, you had the full cooperation of Britain at the time, a lot of other European
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countries, whereas European countries, mainly because they seem to be still preoccupied with
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Ukraine, just don't want anything to do with this.
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Yeah, I'll come back to my theory, but all this stuff about containing Iran, I can't help
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Wasn't it once the case that Iraq and Iran didn't get on, and they basically spent all of
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their time constraining each other, and then we came along and took out Iraq, which left
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Iran as the strong player, and that's why we're having to basically go to war with them
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because Iraq is no longer the counterweight to them because we'd already gone to war with
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And it's sort of important to just mention a couple of details here.
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In the 90s, before the Iraq War, the Iranians tried to reach out to the Americans, and what
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they did was they gave a major oil contract to Conoco in the hope that bringing in American
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oil companies would sort of help relations with the United States.
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Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein's friend, sanctioned Iran because they dared give an American company
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And then in 2001, before the Afghanistan invasion, the Iranians reached out to the United States
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and literally give them the entire order of battle of all of the Taliban everywhere in
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And that then became the actual military plan that the Americans used to bomb the Taliban.
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And they had their allies in the Northern Alliance that sort of were the main enemies of the Taliban
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They sort of helped the Americans work with them.
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So the Iranians were saying, look, can we please come to terms with you?
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And that's why in 2002, George Bush said that the Iranians were part of the axis of evil.
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Well, there was also the 1996 Clean Break document written by people like Richard Pearl,
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I believe in collaboration with Benjamin Netanyahu himself for an Israeli think tank that laid
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out the list of countries and plan for establishing a greater regional hegemony of Israel within
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the region that laid out the list of countries that included Iraq, Syria, all of the ones that
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you'd expect with Iran kind of being considered the jewel in the crown, being the actual regional
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well, the dominant regional hegemon at the time.
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And of course, people involved in that, of course, you've got Benjamin Netanyahu in charge of Israel
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Well, Richard Pearl, who was one of the co-authors, I think the lead author on that document,
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then went on to have a very important advisory role within George W. Bush's administration
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and was featured in the meetings on the 12th of September, 2001, the day after 9-11,
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where they all went into a meeting about how they need to target Afghanistan.
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And then everybody was very surprised when at the end of the meeting,
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they'd all decided that they need to go to war with Iraq.
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And then Wesley Clark confirms that actually the plan has become to target Libya, Sudan,
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Instead, these countries have been targeted over 20 years.
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But going to Harry's, you know, Netanyahu point, I mean, who were the key advisors on
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Netanyahu used to sleep in his bed when he was a child because when he'd visit the...
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And Netanyahu would sleep in his bedroom, essentially.
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And Kushner is responsible for the negotiations with Russia and...
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By the way, even when that was first announced, that just seemed like a completely bizarre
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pair of people to throw into diplomatic, international relations.
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Lutnik is the Secretary of Commerce, and he's been in a very deep relationship with Epstein.
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I do remember the interview where it came out when he was asked about living next door
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He described to me that he would get massages on this massage table that was in the middle
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And me and my wife, we decided never to ever go there again on the spot.
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And then, of course, in the Epstein file document releases, it came out that they were...
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So shall I outline my theory, which definitely isn't an anti-Semitic theory, but you know
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how on the right, for whatever it was, for 20 years, you couldn't have a conversation
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about anything without basically being shut up by people saying, that's racist.
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And eventually, we discovered that the only way that we could possibly have a conversation
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about anything is when they called you a racist, you just had to say, I don't care.
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And you just kind of got on with whatever it is you wanted to say.
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It kind of feels like we're getting a bit close to that about being called an anti-Semite.
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Yeah, this is one of the ways that they shut down Pat Buchanan for a very long time.
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A lot of the stuff that I'm talking about and that I'm referring to can be found in a
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lot of the books that Pat Buchanan was writing around the early 2000s, such as Where the Right
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Went Wrong, where he discusses the neocon takeover of the Republican Party.
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So, we got this, you know, this Strait of Hormuz, which apparently, despite the war being
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And it's only 33, was it 33 kilometres wide, but the shipping lanes, the bit you can actually
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get shipped for, is there are only three kilometres wide in each direction.
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So, it's not that difficult in order to try and stop it.
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And as a result, oil prices have been a little bit, should we say, spicy.
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Oh, it's cutting off the end from our point of view.
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I mean, it's still cutting it off, but you kind of see the point I'm making.
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It's heading off, there we are, heading off to the over $100 per barrel.
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And something like 20% of the world's oil goes through this straight, 25% of the liquid
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And of course, because it's a global market, even though it's mainly servicing China and
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Asia, this straight, a 20% reduction in capacity does not mean prices go up 20%.
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In fact, it means that they could go up quite considerably more than that.
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I mean, they already have, tragically, a diesel car drive.
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Prices for diesel in this country have already skyrocketed.
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Well, I mean, the 1973, I think, oil embargo was a 7% reduction in global capacity, and
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And the 1979 Iranian revolution, that was only a 5% reduction, and that was 150% increase.
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And then the 1990 Gulf War, that was only a 4% reduction in oil capacity, and that was 100%
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So what you're saying is that this could get much worse?
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I mean, I vaguely remember the formula for calculating price differences on that.
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Well, I'm a bit confused, because I haven't really had a satisfactory explanation yet as
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to why we went into the war, and how it's America first.
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It's to stop the nuclear program, which has already been obliterated.
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And actually, it's because the ballistic missiles proved to be very effective.
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And the Israelis wanted to destroy those, so they got the Americans to go to war on their
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That led to a lot of missiles being used to bomb American Gulf state allies, to let them
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know that, like, America's not maybe the greatest ally for you all to have.
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Some interesting comments coming from the chat.
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Some people are saying, oh, you've got to free Iran from Islamic terror, as if you got
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People forget that Gaddafi was the first guy to fight Al-Qaeda.
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And they got rid of him, and now Al-Qaeda runs pretty big parts of Libya.
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I mean, I appreciate that Iran is a bit oppressive.
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I mean, there are actually Christian churches and even synagogues in Tehran.
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I mean, it could get a hell of a lot worse than it currently is.
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Other people have been saying, well, Iran, they literally say death to America, and that's
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I mean, I, for one, can't think of any reason why they would have any reason to be upset
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with the people who blew up a school full of children.
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Well, American universities are full of people who say death to America.
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And they import more, and the American universities themselves teach them to say death to America.
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I mean, yeah, they're coming back and saying a bit oppressive.
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Well, yeah, I mean, it is oppressive, but, I mean, we live in a country where more people
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get arrested in this country for things that they say proportionally than ever got arrested
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In America, you have your kids taken off if you don't agree with them being transed at
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And yet, at the same time, if America said, we're going to liberate you, Britain, from
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your oppressive regime, and the first thing that they did was volley a bunch of missiles
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I would say, I do not want your liberation, please.
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I mean, if it was targeted directly on Whitehall, I might have to think about that.
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And just my sort of final point, I mean, isn't this, I mean, not that I've been able to properly
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understand why we did it in the first place, but I did look up some of the objectives, and
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it seems to have achieved the direct opposite of every single objective that it wanted, like
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I mean, aren't we just in the transition between who can provide better security for the region,
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Because it seems like if you stick with America, well, they're going to start wars on behalf
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of Israel, and that's going to mean that you can't ship your oil out, and if you can't
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ship your oil out, you can't get your imports back in again.
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Basically, the Americans want these assets destroyed so that they can build their own
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in Venezuela and in Canada and in the United States.
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Ah, now that does start to make more sense to me.
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Because that is the only coherent explanation I've heard so far.
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But on the personnel side, and how the personnel were convinced, you can't forget Ellison and
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Adelson backing Rubio, you can't forget Deal backing Vance, and you can't forget Trump
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saying in the Israeli Knesset that he recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and gave them
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the Golan Heights because the Adelson's paid him.
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So let's just go, very finally, let's just go with that slightly conspiratorial angle, because
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And say, okay, let's say we understand that we're in a great power situation, where regional
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control is transitioning over to China as opposed to the US.
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The US is making the calculation that it basically needs to refocus on South America and Western
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If it understands it's going to have to leave the area, does it want to leave it in an A1
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Or does it want to leave it in a degraded state before China gets it anyway?
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Well, the problem is that this drives China to do things like build pipelines even more
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into Central Asia and to get more coal and nuclear out of Central Asia, and that makes
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So even that argument, which has been presented, and okay, it's a potential coherent argument,
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But at the same time as well, the regional stability and the kind of deal that's being
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presented to the Gulf states who've been aligned with America for so long are not the only regional
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Already we're seeing THAAD missile systems being moved from South Korea.
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And the question there is, is America going to be able to continue to help defend South Korea
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when they've got the North right on their doorstep?
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What it reminds me of, it's not one for one, but what it reminds me of is near
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it is during the Second World War, the British Empire pulling out a lot of its colonial resources
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from places like Singapore and bringing them over to North Africa so that they could help
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to support the war effort against mainland Europe, right?
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Well, you get a lot of places either striking out on their own or deciding to renegotiate deals
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with other geopolitical large superpower partners.
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Because they realise, hold up, these guys haven't got our best interests in mind.
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I'm sure you are now as clear as I am as to why we went to war.
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We've got plenty of rumble rants from that, if you'd like to read one of them.
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Reform bots on Twitter stop splitting the right wing and focusing on meaningless issues
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like demographic replacement and English identity.
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We've got a country to save from the loony left.
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Yes, and only the Boris Johnson government again can help us do that.
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The Pentagon even said it's a special operation like Russia in Ukraine.
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They called it a special combat operation, not a special military operation,
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But when Donald Trump announced this, he did literally say we're going to war.
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Does Faraz think the U.S. should invade Canada because they dared do a deal with China
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is to copy and paste all of the justifications they use to invade Iraq
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I haven't heard chemical weapons mentioned this time,
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Sorry you didn't do better and hope not hate rankings.
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You really seemed like you have a solid effort over the last year.
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I'm literally willing to buy a full page in the next edition.
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I mean, you've got to do what you've got to do.
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Let's not forget Cuba as a potential next target.
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So, let's take this war discussion to a slightly more,
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but slightly more boring and serious direction.
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And the starting point here is Catholic just war theory.
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What do Christians actually think about what justifies a war?
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the reason for the war should be logical and coherent,
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you can't go to war when there are other options
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you can't go to war just because you're greedy,
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or just because you want to reconfigure the global economy,
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You have to have a reasonable chance of success,
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then you need to find another way of solving the problem.
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But also it suggests you've got to have clear objectives going in.
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And you have to separate between combatants and non-combatants.
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These are the rules of war as detailed in Catholic thinking,
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and really they've informed Christian thinking to a huge extent.
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it's more or less the same thing but less philosophical.
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You have to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants.
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You can't use a nuclear weapon when a bullet would suffice.
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You can't just kill all of the wounded, etc., etc., etc.
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And this is the way in which Christian armies have traditionally fought.
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There was obviously the exception of World War II,
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but the arguments are all framed in Christian logic.
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As in, whether or not it was right to nuke Japan
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should we have nuked every single Japanese city?
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That's how the argument has always been presented,
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because God commands us to avoid the destruction of human life,
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So, did the peace efforts in relation to Iran actually fail?
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this war is about Iran's possible acquisition of a nuclear weapon
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the Americans, as they've done numerous times in the past,
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to act as mediators between them and the Iranians
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the single most important achievement, I believe,
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that was negotiated during President Obama's time.
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because it was the Omanis who mediated that deal.
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It really makes the enrichment argument less relevant
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because now we are talking about zero stockpiling.
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because if you cannot stockpile material that is enriched,
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then there is no way you can actually create a bomb
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So what the Omanis who were mediating this deal,
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who were basically working with Witkoff and Kushner
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and with the Iranian nuclear team on the other side,
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surely Iran would have acquired nuclear weapons
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One of the other things that needs to be pointed out here
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were in negotiated dealings when they attacked.
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And not only have they sneak attacked them again,
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believed that they could trust American mediation.
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the Europeans are exactly the same at this point.
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they'd purged a number of people who were not towing the party line as well as they could
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or having the gall to actually write an article explaining how they would achieve their party line
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right before this revelation Richard Tice himself had posted an article written by Douglas Murray about the sinister tactics of hope not hate
01:02:24.740
which just goes to show that they were using hope not hate
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somewhat inconsistent and hypocritical there of course as well at gorton and denton he didn't do very well but part of the party right now is Matt Goodwin who has written previously about how to contain the right and written articles alongside hope not hate director Nick Lowell's so that's an interesting connection
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wasn't one of the first thing wasn't one of the first thing that Matt Goodwin wrote an article for hope not hate explaining how you could infiltrate and subvert right wing parties
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I think that's part of what this is it's the Chatham House document from voting to violence new evidence on far right supporters this was research done by Matt Goodwin in collaboration with a number of other people alongside Nick Lowell's there is a separate Chatham House document which you can still find online all talking about how to infiltrate and contain right wing parties and movements in Britain
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well he's lucky he's changed his mind since then
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Nigel earlier on this year just last month after Rupert had announced that he was going to run stand restore as a party rather than just a political movement
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had this to say about the reasons that he removed Rupert Lowe from the party in the first place
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you know people think oh Farage has done it we'll just set a party up it'll be marvellous we'll sweep the next election
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it just it just isn't as easy as that now does he have a profile on X yes he does
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is Elon going to support him probably but you see you know when he stood up and said
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that we've got to consider the mass deportation of entire communities including those born in the United Kingdom
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that just moves way beyond the point of reasonableness of decency of morality
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and that was the moment at which you know I realised we just had to get rid of him
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and I think in terms of the way we dealt with that
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we were probably more brutal than the other parties but you know what
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well if Farage got rid of him because he wants to do mass deportations
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why is Farage worried because Farage has already told us that mass deportations are literally impossible
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but then also many reform supporters are saying that Farage and Lowe have completely identical policies
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seems to be well that's not what he's just challenged by what Farage is saying
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also this has just a quick nothing to do with the reasoning given this time last year when Lowe was removed from the party
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when we were told the reasons for it was that he was bullying Zaire Youssef and bullying team members within his own office
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just one thing I can never get out of my head the story of that girl
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who was raped three times by different groups just walking round the street
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but if there is this possibility that three groups of men will encounter a girl
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and each of them will find it proper to rape her and call their friends to join them
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other than mass deporting everybody in that community
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and we know that when men like they get taken to court
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their wives, sisters, mothers turn up and jeer and point at what they call the slut
01:05:49.660
and blame it on her and say that their man did nothing wrong
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and then you see the fact that this is happening with families cooperating together
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and I just don't understand what the issue is with deporting people who behave like that
01:06:08.000
Well Farage obviously thinks it's impossible to do it
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but not only does Farage say that they're impossible to achieve
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but also that he wouldn't want to alienate these communities as well
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whilst at the same time saying that the very idea of it is too extreme for him
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and goes beyond the realms of decency and morality
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So that's Nigel Farage's line which then translates to the reform line
01:06:34.460
and making this even more worrying is of course
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as mentioned that Reform UK has said that it is very interested
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in taking up MI5 on its offer to help political parties vet candidates
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amid fears of hostile states meddling in British politics
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Now this is all being couched in concerns about foreign infiltration
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on why that is not the only concern to have here
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because frankly this is going to end up being the British state
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marking its own homework on who can be allowed into the British state
01:07:07.880
They link to this article and I'll read through some of it
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the MI5, Britain's domestic intelligence agency
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said that it would help political parties with candidate checks
01:07:22.060
This was in a meeting that it held with high-ups in the parties
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made the offer a cross-party briefing with the UK political parties last month
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Three people with knowledge of the meeting told Politico
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The offer from McCallum is part of a wider effort by the UK government and security services
01:07:46.940
amid a wave of espionage activity from hostile states
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we wouldn't have such worry about espionage activity
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if we didn't have so many foreigners in the country in the first place
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and this does seem to suggest something of the idea of dual loyalty
01:08:08.200
among any foreign candidates who might want to stand for these political parties
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at which point I would just have to say that that's a canard, my friend
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several foreign and UK-born citizens have been arrested
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on suspicion of working for Iran, Russia and China
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Curious, but I can only assume that the people caught working for these people
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that a lot of them would have themselves been Iranians
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people of Russian background and Chinese background as well, potentially
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and former candidate for North Wales Police and Crime Commissioner
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Last year, the former Reform UK leader in Wales
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Britain's political parties have no standardised systems
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Each party has its own internal and in some cases
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for oversights in helping to sift its candidates
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that would be the candidate you were talking about
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over threats that it considers to be domestic threats
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whether you are a far right extremist in a moment
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Its offer to candidates is expected to be limited
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in helping parties assess foreign interference risks
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Politico asked the six main Westminster parties
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we'd be very interested in taking up the MI5 on it
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to stamp out foreign interference in our politics
01:10:56.420
so, obviously there is the foreign angle to this
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in the polls to potentially be the next government
01:21:05.000
like to see a drive with all of the RAM stuff for game developers
01:21:08.140
particularly big triple A ones that actually have to start
01:21:14.460
no more 120 gigabyte downloads where the game still runs like crap on the latest
01:21:24.860
and now after sitting through harry's history of the gay rights movement part two
01:21:31.500
well here's a palate cleanser there she is sakura nothing like a dog video to help
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beautiful dog and thank you very much for watching the uh stonewall myth um wait until
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i get around to finally doing the wymar stuff the script's written uh we're everything's
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ready we just need to get all the pre-production and planning done for that
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and uh then we'll shoot ahead with that uh that one's even more fun uh but if you've
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yes get your get your gay fun with harry is what we're saying
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yes um comments from the website um dreadnought logan says i'll put it simply why
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and every day i see comments of people um being very very rude about me and wishing
01:22:51.260
me ill and stuff like that and what i don't do is come around your house and kill you
01:22:56.420
i just i just feel slightly sorry for you that you don't like me because obviously that's
01:23:02.820
why can't they just take that approach i mean if somebody doesn't like you and they're in no position to do you any harm
01:23:13.100
also that's that's great and everything but you still need a plan with yes defined goals
01:23:19.540
you need a win criteria you need contingency plans for if it goes long terms you need to be able to
01:23:26.780
assess your military capabilities versus their military capabilities
01:23:31.700
maybe assess whether well they are right next to
01:23:34.940
the gulf states that we work with they have access to control of the strait of hormuz
01:23:40.940
there are all of these different considerations that have to be taken into account
01:23:45.940
if you decide that for the sake of them saying death to america you're going to go to war with them
01:23:50.900
none of these seem to have been taken into account at all
01:23:54.420
it seems to have been it really does seem to have been shit israel's about to attack
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let's take out khamenei and hope that the people will just rise up
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well and i remember something harry you and i won the um 2020 u.s election night stream
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2024 yeah yeah oh 2024 yes u.s election night stream and and and the reasons i mean
01:24:21.840
were that he wanted american first policy now we like that because we thought well hopefully
01:24:26.940
that will lead to a britain first policy arising at some point in britain but i don't see how this
01:24:31.180
is america first we also liked it because of the the no new foreign wars thing yeah there are a
01:24:35.940
number people say oh well if you go back to this obscure interview from the 1980s trump says this about
01:24:42.000
iran if you find this random tweet from 2013 trump says this about iran yeah well
01:24:48.480
the official gop channels in 2024 were putting out big posters saying trump and vance is the pro
01:24:56.840
peace ticket no new wars yeah and if you voted for that then you might find feel slightly
01:25:02.420
agree uh russian says um the rise in fuel prices is radicalizing me i've been priced out of trains
01:25:08.460
into my car now i'm being priced out of my car yeah and that and that's ultimately how the the these
01:25:13.940
things stabilize uh because what will happen is the price will go up the oil price will go up 150 200
01:25:19.480
300 whatever it is um it's inelastic in the short term but eventually you just get demand destruction
01:25:25.080
and then you'll get a recession and that's what that will be how they stabilize the balance in the end
01:25:29.000
it's it's it's the it's the high prices doing the work here to stabilize um the oligarchs and the
01:25:35.220
we know from the epstein emails that the oligarchs would have known about this in advance
01:25:39.680
they would be getting richer as you get priced out of your car yes just as a smaller reminder
01:25:46.300
uh and just to answer a comment in the chat no i don't have back pain i'm just a natural sloucher
01:25:51.060
because i don't know why um you know i've got time do you know i i don't think i don't need to do
01:25:56.180
any more uh i'll hand over to uh to you for us all right uh michael rubelvis says how do we know
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it isn't a war no troops on the ground nudge nudge wink wink yes exactly uh dreadnought logan says
01:26:10.020
how about an emperor seeing that the empire will be weaker later and with a bigger foe later making
01:26:16.260
moves now to ensure that a greater war will be belayed at least that is so speculative that you
01:26:25.180
can't base morality out of it it's like saying that somebody might grow up to be a criminal we
01:26:30.060
kill him now that's just not how it works that's not how morality works uh actually i remember ben
01:26:35.940
shapiro being asked there was a couple of years ago he was asked the question would you go and
01:26:39.700
back in time and kill baby hitler and he said no because that's a baby and but but but suddenly
01:26:45.980
when it's when it's a country well that's palestinians it's okay yeah but but when it's
01:26:50.200
a country that's fine you can you can kill the babies then it's it's it's obscene it's obscene if
01:26:56.160
you have an economic problem with a country the answer is to build up your own energy capabilities
01:27:00.340
shut off your markets if you have to use tariffs use all kinds of other tactics to become stronger
01:27:06.180
not just you know maybe if i invade iran china will be weaker that's just like you know if i don't like
01:27:14.400
harry maybe i should shoot dan what please go for it do it yeah go on no go on yeah try me
01:27:22.960
uh arizona desert rat says i can understand sending in a military unit to make sure that
01:27:30.480
evacuees are not terrorists and making sure they move on to a safer area however i know they have
01:27:35.480
to take into consideration the resources they have available if there's no unit available there's
01:27:39.720
no unit available in short the whole situation is just a mess well yes clearly but also i just
01:27:45.760
just and i'm not trying to pick on you uh dreadnought uh the the sort of logic that you've presented
01:27:51.360
there is a prime example of the fact that the actual administration's messaging has been so
01:27:57.160
contradictory so spastic and unclear yeah the the people like people like yourself are having to come
01:28:05.600
up with your own reasons to explain why you've gone to war with iran when really there should be
01:28:12.000
one party line coming straight from the president delivered directly to you we're not trying to
01:28:19.040
insult you or target you or anybody else who is trying to come to similar conclusions to you or just
01:28:24.840
find a reason in the first place this is a failure of the administration in its messaging
01:28:29.920
uh michael dray balbus for mine nigel sounds like the type of person that visited stonewall or a
01:28:36.560
lorry parked by the hudson river uh maybe maybe not nigel from what we know about nigel and his own
01:28:43.500
personal affairs uh he's a very straight man but many of his supporters you're right about uh omar awad
01:28:52.800
is a nasty bit of gaslighting for farage to claim others think they can just start a party like he did
01:28:57.420
after buying his way in and parachuting into a safe seat not to mention that he reneged on an
01:29:01.900
agreement to return personally funded campaign contributions to the guy he replaced also as
01:29:06.620
well like the guy who was chairman of reform and is now head of which which part of is yusuf head of
01:29:12.900
nowadays i think well probably i mean he just bought his way in he just bought his way in
01:29:18.300
it's surprisingly cheap as well it's like 300 grand or something 200 grand nigel makes 200 grand nigel
01:29:23.500
makes 1.2 million a year yep still can't resist praising ian watkins on cameo for 16 grand a year
01:29:30.840
though can he idiot dirty belter these people don't comprehend that mass deportations is the
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compromise if the anti-nativists keep refusing to compromise this will become a battle of wills
01:29:41.840
where only one side can win well ask some of the zoomers what their policy is it's not as mild as
01:29:47.720
nope as what we were advocating no and on that note that's all we've got time for remember to
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