The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1375

00:00:00.000 It's been a while since we've done a live event, isn't it? I think we should probably do a live

00:00:03.000 event. So I persuaded the team, guys, we need to do a big live event. And they were like,

00:00:06.980 that's a great idea. And why don't we do it at Swindon Mecca, which is where I am right now.

00:00:11.220 And it's huge. This is going to be the biggest live event that we have ever actually done.

00:00:16.560 And I'm really excited about it. This is actually massive, this haul, but we're going to make it

00:00:21.240 amazing. So first things first, we're going to have an hour live podcast of the Lotus Eaters.

00:00:26.220 Then we're going to do a debate on the Star Wars prequels

00:00:28.840 because this has kicked up a lot of controversy.

00:00:31.440 And I'm sorry, I'm just not happy.

00:00:34.260 And I want to put this to bed in a formal debate

00:00:37.320 where I'm going to crush Harry and the forces of subversion.

00:00:42.480 Then we're going to have an hour-long lads hour,

00:00:44.960 which you'll be able to submit questions and answers to

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00:00:48.920 You'll be able to come and spend a couple of hours after the show

00:00:51.200 hanging out and drinking with us.

00:00:53.160 So that should be quite fun.

00:00:54.200 like i said all your favorite presenters will be there and it should be great and we will also have

00:00:59.320 back issues of islander on sale because a lot of people have asked us can we start selling and

00:01:04.360 reprinting islander to which i've always insisted the answer is no we cannot reprint islander but

00:01:09.880 we happen to have a few hundred copies of the original editions in our office so yes we will

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00:01:20.760 the old copies and it'll be a great evening really fun i think 11th of april saturday 2026

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00:01:36.460 there good afternoon folks welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for monday the 16th of march

00:01:41.840 2026 i'm joined by the forces of subversion this is i was completely blindsided by that this is the

00:01:49.180 first that i have learned of it you've got my backup sir hey i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have

00:01:55.700 to bring it we're gonna have to invite aa in as the special guest on our side he can

00:02:00.440 zipline in like sean michaels at wrestlemania 12 special guest star all i'm saying is it we're

00:02:07.280 having out it's going to be going down and of course i'm joined by ferris and uh today we're

00:02:11.400 going to be talking about the wonderful anti-mothers day demoralization propaganda that

00:02:15.560 for some reason i mean you understand when the bbc does it but when the telegraph does it

00:02:20.080 like what's your end game uh then we're going to be talking about the uh the great zionist panic

00:02:24.620 which has been just hilarious wild though like the meltdown a bit extreme and uh then we're

00:02:31.600 going to be discussing one easy trick to save america which is it's more simple than you think

00:02:37.040 honestly it is anyway so let's begin it was mothering sunday on sunday in britain if you're

00:02:43.860 not in Britain then it probably wasn't uh which is always yeah happy Mother's Day to any mothers

00:02:48.920 watching of course uh and I hope you all said um you know that you told your mothers that you

00:02:53.200 appreciate them you love them and send the card and some flowers and stuff like that uh like I

00:02:56.760 have to do for my mum and my wife for my kids and you know how it is um but uh but yeah so

00:03:02.240 I was I was just scrolling my timeline it's like oh yeah fair enough fair enough and then I saw

00:03:08.000 bbc article why mothers regret being mothers typical bbc put that aside and i'm scrolling

00:03:15.980 scrolling oh there's another one why mothers are slaves the telegraph so sorry hello hello is this

00:03:23.320 the the tory graph is publishing anti-natalist anti-marriage propaganda now checks out yeah

00:03:29.840 well yeah checks out right so uh we'll we'll have a look at these because it's just quite remarkable

00:03:35.560 uh but before we begin of course we have the live event if you are watching on youtube there will be

00:03:39.840 a link in the description it's going to be amazing since swindon so sorry about that but at the end

00:03:45.180 of the day it's at a venue worth it for us it's at a venue that i'm reasonably sure we won't get

00:03:49.920 cancelled from so that's important uh so that'll be on the 11th of april it's going to be huge

00:03:55.680 it's going to be amazing i'm going to destroy harry in a debate over the star wars prequels

00:03:59.940 it's gonna be incredible no he's just gonna do gen x fetching ah mike from red letter media is

00:04:05.960 gonna make a special he's not actually gonna make a special yeah he's gonna be he's gonna he's gonna

00:04:10.620 be there with you in spirit i will be and it's gonna be the same old tired i will be carrying

00:04:16.040 the plinket standard look i'd love the way you're underestimating me as if i wouldn't go above and

00:04:20.800 beyond oh i'm sure you'll have some kind of like um i don't know obloviating rambling non-sequitur

00:04:28.300 arguments right move moving on let's uh oh this is the wrong one samson uh moving on let's uh

00:04:33.760 get the right one up and then see what we can talk about right so here's the bbc article i mean what

00:04:39.820 a headline that is like a trap you can't escape the women who regret being mothers i would hate

00:04:46.360 for my kids to read something like that that i'd written in the future it's it is clearly

00:04:53.680 intentional demoralization yeah and this was published the day before mother's day so you

00:04:58.840 know thanks bbc you knew that was coming how many are single mothers uh how many interviewed in this

00:05:04.800 article are single mothers because i know they have my missus yeah when an interviewed for an

00:05:10.320 article like this i would be furious on my behalf and the kids behalf so this suggests either

00:05:17.800 weak and permissive fathers or absentee the the the woman that they're they're focusing

00:05:24.460 the article around is a woman called carmen um i can't actually i didn't find that she had any

00:05:31.320 mention of a husband in there uh so i don't know to be honest it's not explicitly stated as far as

00:05:37.280 i can remember i was reading it this morning but um but i thought we'd just go through it a bit

00:05:41.540 because you've got here of course carmen loves her 10 year old son but if she could turn back

00:05:45.760 the clock she said she would never have become a mum i love him that much that's horrible isn't it

00:05:50.340 like i mean the when you when you're younger so oh what what period of time would you like to

00:05:54.880 travel back to and my answer always used to be well i don't know you know like ancient room or

00:05:59.160 something right but now i'm like well i don't want to travel back in time because i won't have my kids

00:06:03.280 so i don't actually want that and you know it's like you she hasn't changed her perspective on

00:06:10.200 becoming a parent it seems but uh notice that it's sort of linked to a film it that's up for

00:06:18.000 an oscar nomination apparently yeah yeah we'll talk about that in a minute um she says motherhood

00:06:22.120 has taken my health my time my money my strength and my body the price is too high and the cost

00:06:26.740 for is forever the whole point of life is to sacrifice yourself for the next generation

00:06:33.040 even without any christian morality just every generation does that for the next one literally

00:06:38.680 every society all throughout history regardless of their religion exactly focused around raising

00:06:45.400 the next generation because that's literally what humanity is that's that's what that's a

00:06:50.920 prerequisite for survival so it's wired into pretty much all mammals yes and that's what

00:06:58.000 you're meant to do and to go against nature in this way but what we'll get so you've got the

00:07:05.360 the layer of obviously leftist subversion destroying the family which bbc obviously that's

00:07:10.500 what we'd expect but there is actually an authentic issue that it that comes out through this that

00:07:16.040 we'll go through that i think is actually worth talking about um and it's the way that our society

00:07:21.140 is geared towards you being an office worker basically and actually maybe women shouldn't

00:07:28.360 have lives that are geared towards them being office workers with families stapled on the side

00:07:32.740 uh anyway uh this like i said that's the opening of the article what a horrible opening

00:07:37.420 um so uh carmen is a teacher she's in her 40s and she's part of a hidden community of women

00:07:42.820 who regret being mothers uh this regret is rarely voiced out loud the women who contacted me would

00:07:47.920 only talk about it on the condition of anonymity fear of harsh judgment because their families

00:07:51.320 don't know so at least carmen's 10 year old son probably won't find out that was her because

00:07:55.680 obviously that's not a real name but uh she uh i somehow doubt that this is the sort of if you're

00:08:02.780 willing to go out of your way to be interviewed for a bbc article about this i doubt that this is

00:08:08.380 some kind of feeling that won't express itself one way or another in a day-to-day life with

00:08:12.680 her children i i'm being very judgmental here but frankly carmen whoever you are you deserve to be

00:08:17.920 judged for saying something so horrible so you know i am actually going to be more sympathetic

00:08:22.120 than this right and then that and that was my first instinct when i first started reading this

00:08:26.140 article i was quite angry at carmen for like being selfish about this but i i'm actually a bit more

00:08:32.300 sympathetic because i mean you know me and my wife have four kids and it's stressful and you have

00:08:36.520 problems and you know stuff happens a lot it is exhausting it is exhausting and you're you you

00:08:42.080 know you you are constantly thinking in this sort of not you know i'm not regretting kids obviously

00:08:48.360 But, like, you're constantly thinking of the family and how everything is and whether they're safe and whether this has happened and bills have been paid and all this sort of stuff.

00:08:55.680 And it's, you know, it's fine. It's just what being an adult is.

00:08:58.820 But I am quite sympathetic because she doesn't seem to have any support from her husband, right?

00:09:03.580 And, okay, well, that's not great.

00:09:05.420 But maybe, I mean, let's assume she's married.

00:09:07.520 Maybe he works a lot.

00:09:08.860 But society itself provides her no support either.

00:09:12.500 And, in fact, we'll get into the Telegraph one where the boomers are expressly called out on this.

00:09:18.360 oh all right okay so yeah uh so anyway as you said it's focused around uh an oscars film now

00:09:25.680 i didn't even know the oscars were going on like you were thinking about covering it were you

00:09:30.400 yeah yeah exactly i don't think i've actually seen any of the films i didn't even know it was

00:09:36.520 on like it just made no impact on like any of my social media feeds at all so the most i know is

00:09:42.140 that some film where a black guy murders a lot of white guys oh yeah um one best actor for myself

00:09:49.000 b jordan and that a film that i heard described as anti for the movie swept the oscars as well

00:09:54.860 well apparently there was a an anti-mother film if i had legs i'd kick you uh which uh is a mother

00:10:01.780 who can't carry on with her family life and again i think that it's important to remember that women

00:10:09.180 are living in the wreckage of feminism at this point right yes because remember in the 70s the

00:10:15.500 feminists the the propaganda from the feminists was literally like you can have it all right yeah

00:10:20.220 you can be a you know a mother a successful career woman a happily married wife you can do everything

00:10:26.580 and you should do everything you can look gorgeous and sexy with your cigarettes and your makeup and

00:10:32.080 you know you can be going out and doing everything that you think you should be doing because we're

00:10:36.020 telling you that's what you should be doing and actually what women are finding now is no this is

00:10:41.920 ridiculous like this is such a burden and I'm not able to live the life that I'm supposed to be

00:10:49.040 living as an office drone and you know sex in the city woman living in you know that kind of life

00:10:56.220 and then also being a parent which is what of course my biological imperatives have dragged me

00:11:00.700 towards so i'm finding it really really difficult and of course uh carmen identifies with this film

00:11:07.800 saying look it feels like a trap you can't escape it's like well yes i suppose it would if you think

00:11:13.820 you should be doing something else that's the thing if you don't see it as a generational

00:11:19.260 commitment it doesn't make sense but it is a generational commitment and you're wired to do it

00:11:25.580 And I think that there's a line in there that she says, the responsibility to raise a good citizen and a good and happy person.

00:11:34.180 Yes.

00:11:35.340 I'm sorry, but the good citizen thing is so abstract, as though the primary loyalty was to the state and to the existing order, as opposed to society that produces the state.

00:11:50.280 There is something wrong with that framing.

00:11:52.760 there is and also the level of expectation again really what you want is just to raise healthy and

00:12:01.120 happy children right and so if your children are well fed if they're loved and they're just running

00:12:05.420 around causing trouble yeah they're healthy and happy and you know you're going to be shouting

00:12:09.020 at them for breaking something in the next room right don't worry like you know that's that's the

00:12:13.400 bedrock upon which citizenship can be built exactly right if you don't have people who are healthy

00:12:18.640 and happy and feel like they belong where they are because they're loved and they're well taken

00:12:22.180 care of then all of the rest is irrelevant and you'll never achieve it anyway and so this but

00:12:28.060 look at the level of burden that's been put on carmen here so only you alone are responsible

00:12:33.120 for essentially all of society is what's being pumped into her mind it's like no that's that's

00:12:38.680 that's crazy and that's unfair right it's unfair to have done to her optimization on steroids

00:12:44.960 exactly the atomic society only has atomic people in it and so she's like god i feel like i'm on my

00:12:50.560 own. And I just can't cope. And it's like, yeah, I bet you do. Because the thing is, society these

00:12:56.580 days is very different to how society used to be. For example, McDonald's is a great example of this.

00:13:02.940 McDonald's used to be a child's restaurant. Like McDonald's used to be, literally every single one

00:13:08.800 would have a big area with like a, you know, plastic play, like, there's trees or something,

00:13:14.360 I can't remember, you know, Ronald McDonald and all that sort of stuff. There was a play area in

00:13:17.380 every mcdonald's right and the point of it was that your parents would take you to mcdonald's

00:13:21.360 i'm like right go play someone else will cook you some food go play and i can just relax for a bit

00:13:27.320 right and so you'd have all these kids playing mcdonald's and then oh the food's here great

00:13:31.740 you go and eat the food and the kids would eat you know they'd actually eat the food and it was

00:13:36.100 a couple of hours where your parents didn't have this you know the burden of making sure that

00:13:40.000 everything was you know something they had to worry about but that's not what mcdonald's is now

00:13:44.680 McDonald's now is the most dystopian, gray, soulless thing you've ever seen.

00:13:48.960 And it's literally you are a consumer.

00:13:50.780 Get in, buy your thing, get out.

00:13:52.740 You know, there's nothing.

00:13:54.640 The world is not.

00:13:55.780 Organic about it.

00:13:56.180 Exactly.

00:13:56.500 There's nothing organic about it.

00:13:57.360 But there's also no space for family lives in public life anymore.

00:14:02.760 Public life is not family focused.

00:14:04.980 Even in the pubs that are around me, there are less and less pubs with a little playground.

00:14:10.460 Lots of pubs, you know, we go there because there's a slide and there's some swings

00:14:14.140 and that means that we can sit outdoors

00:14:17.020 and I can have a beer and they can run around.

00:14:19.560 And you can relax, they can have some fun.

00:14:21.780 Exactly.

00:14:23.300 Socialise, talk to people,

00:14:24.680 and the kids are taken care of

00:14:25.800 because you can watch them play.

00:14:27.380 And that's it.

00:14:28.680 And this is being slowly taken away

00:14:31.060 and it is effectively antinatalist

00:14:34.700 because there are less places

00:14:35.800 that you can take your children to

00:14:36.940 and relax with them.

00:14:38.180 Well, it's completely antinatalist

00:14:39.380 because the point of this

00:14:41.020 was to take burden off of the mother's shoulders

00:14:43.220 and also provide a communal area where mothers can socialize well if you take that away

00:14:48.340 unsurprisingly mothers are like oh right so i'm just on my own in the house with my kids now

00:14:53.320 and what am i supposed to do you know where do i go who do i hang out with how do i you know

00:14:57.940 how do i share advice and stories and just have sympathy from other mothers who are like oh yeah

00:15:02.440 that happened to me when mine was she was a bit younger but you need to do this or whatever

00:15:05.240 you know all of those connections the social life that was actually involved in it has disappeared

00:15:10.380 and what one thing um and sorry the the less mothers there are the harder it is for women

00:15:15.420 who are mothers yes they they need each other they they need us as their husbands but they

00:15:21.680 need each other as well and so having a smaller pool actually affects them yes but now the primary

00:15:28.140 purpose of these women is office drone with a mother attached to it like i saw leftists on

00:15:33.640 twitter yesterday arguing well why isn't the right arguing for parental leave and it's like because i

00:15:39.300 just think this entire structure is wrong. I think the entire structure of women expected to be office

00:15:44.980 drones with a family attached is the wrong perspective. In fact, psychotherapist Anna there

00:15:51.180 says, well, often women feel safe enough to talk about maternal regret. It isn't a lack of love,

00:15:56.140 but a sense of isolation, exhaustion, or lost identity. As in, you're trying to be the sex

00:16:01.100 and the city woman with a child. And that means you're on your own, you're exhausted, and you

00:16:06.160 don't know who you're supposed to be it's like no when you have a child when you have children

00:16:09.880 you aren't that atomic individual who's like going clubbing or whatever what you are is part

00:16:15.100 of a family and that's your identity now your identity is that you are ensconced in this web

00:16:20.560 of relationships and that's with you forever and that's the that's the benefit of the family

00:16:25.000 and you grow into that identity and it grows stronger and it sort of becomes more rewarding

00:16:29.920 as you see your children grow and the the assuming you're supported in this assuming you're supported

00:16:35.580 but if you're on your own i can and just and another thing i want to be clear about here as

00:16:39.480 well like you can't like all they they speak to a bunch of women in these articles and the women

00:16:43.740 are not saying they don't love their kids right that's the thing it sounds like and the bbc kind

00:16:48.340 of frames it that way i was going to say you've made me more sympathetic from how i started

00:16:53.400 because this is just a dishonesty of framing exactly right the framing is deliberately

00:16:58.700 designed to scare women and not to make them think well hang on a second why isn't our civilization

00:17:04.580 serving us the the the people who birth the next generation well presumably it's not only to scare

00:17:11.280 women but it's also to frustrate men like me except men who would be single who would potentially look

00:17:16.840 at something like this and go oh what's the point they're not going to appreciate any of it anyway

00:17:20.240 yeah if i try and get a woman and start a family whether she's just going to end up hating it down

00:17:24.140 the line that's the other cutting edge of the frame isn't it and whereas the correct

00:17:28.040 thinking process for all of this is that you exist in a network of obligations and service

00:17:33.720 that you are there to serve others and in a sense others are there to serve you but there is this web

00:17:39.900 yes of mutual expectations that you're duties and entitlements everyone has them and our

00:17:45.360 civilization used to think we had a duty to mothers to help them raise their children by

00:17:49.480 providing you know uh clean and safe social areas all right it is it is true though one of the

00:17:55.300 things that helps my missus the most raising um raising our daughter is the fact that she does

00:17:59.860 have friends who are mums absolutely who she can speak to and go and spend time with one of them's

00:18:05.420 moving closer to us sooner so that'll be really nice and hopefully some of our other friends will

00:18:09.760 start having um having family soon as well so with that expectation in mind in the future i know that

00:18:15.360 she's got something to fall back on when i'm not there but if she didn't have that i can completely

00:18:20.260 understand how you know the isolation and exhaustion would just completely overwhelm you i

00:18:25.040 I mean, even with all of the support that we get,

00:18:27.240 I mean, I'm exhausted right now.

00:18:29.640 Literally right now, I'm exhausted

00:18:32.280 because, of course, being Mother's Day weekend,

00:18:34.460 I decided to take on a little bit more of the house chores

00:18:37.440 than I normally do,

00:18:38.620 and a little bit less of the sleep than I normally do as well.

00:18:41.820 And this is essentially the perennial problem

00:18:44.800 that underpins all of this sort of messaging

00:18:47.100 that's never actually addressed in the articles.

00:18:50.700 You know, anyway, she says,

00:18:53.200 and this is another thing as well,

00:18:55.040 there's a kind of absurd burden of expectation on these poor women but i'm i'm just like after

00:19:03.120 reading this i'll just say well where was your husband say look stop worrying about so much

00:19:06.620 right she says here at first being a mother was a joy uh her son was a good sleeper and he she

00:19:12.700 enjoyed spending the days caring for her baby son while on maternity leave but then things changed

00:19:16.620 when her son began to display serious developmental delays and every simple moment turned into

00:19:21.680 observation and concern i felt so guilty i worried that his life had become a fight ultimately her

00:19:25.760 son was fine and is doing well but she says the stress and constant worry caused her to develop

00:19:30.860 an autoimmune disease right so what happened here the answer is nothing nothing has happened

00:19:37.300 but because she doesn't have the sort of social structures that you're talking about to reassure

00:19:43.040 her and i don't again i don't know whether she's married or not you know where's her husband to

00:19:46.540 reassure her in all this was this during lockdown as as as a bloke you do like you do have to pick

00:19:52.560 up the slack every now and again you have to make sure your wife understands everything's fine

00:19:56.420 yeah you have to do this right and so she's she's shouldering all of this on her own society just

00:20:03.420 isn't set up to help her and she's just like well it would have been better if i just hadn't done

00:20:07.300 this even though she says she loves her son more than anything so it's like no we have got the

00:20:12.760 entire civilization back to front here right we are serving corporate interests and the gdp

00:20:17.540 at the expense of these women they don't realize that this is what feminism has done to them

00:20:21.700 is made you into an office drone and you are sat there going well i just can't understand

00:20:27.300 why i personally am falling apart and being crushed by this it's like because the people

00:20:32.120 who have done this to you are just exploiting you like you shouldn't be on maternity leave

00:20:37.040 you are a mother you shouldn't be on the off you shouldn't be the 95 office drone anymore

00:20:41.840 This is not your job in life now.

00:20:44.700 Chesterton had a beautiful line saying that feminism is the illusion that women are liberated by serving their employer rather than helping their husbands.

00:20:55.300 Yes.

00:20:55.880 Which strikes it absolutely perfectly.

00:20:58.660 And it's also the delusion that, you know, biological differences between men and women shouldn't have social implications.

00:21:07.320 Yes.

00:21:07.660 Which they obviously do.

00:21:09.040 It would be very peculiar if they didn't.

00:21:11.840 Anyway, so this is focused around Carmen joining a Facebook group called

00:21:16.120 I Regret Having Children, which has 96,000 members from around the world,

00:21:20.560 because she found that having a child means finances are tight

00:21:23.500 and all of her goals and ambitions, traveling, setting up a business,

00:21:27.060 building an investment portfolio, have been pushed aside.

00:21:29.780 It's like, really, you when you were a young girl were like,

00:21:33.540 God, I can't wait to have an investment portfolio.

00:21:36.620 Like, someone has put that in your mind that you should be doing that.

00:21:40.900 I don't think it's organic.

00:21:41.840 you know and what's your husband doing in all of this uh anyway there's there's not that much

00:21:46.160 data to suggest how many women actually feel this way five to fourteen percent says one study

00:21:51.480 conducted in poland so actually not very many women feel this way actually it could be the

00:21:56.580 95 percent of women who have children do not feel this way about their children yeah the

00:22:01.000 the five to fourteen percent of parents in poland according to a 2023 study regret their decision

00:22:06.920 to have children would opt to be child free if they had their time again now i'm gonna go out

00:22:11.180 on a limb here right okay i'm sure you've both had this with your wives where you just go oh god

00:22:18.540 if only we could just have a few days without the kids we'd get so much done we'd be so happy we'd

00:22:25.080 have a great time we'd be re-energized and you get maybe a day or two without them maybe they

00:22:29.640 go off with the grandparents for a weekend or something and yeah you get the energy back but

00:22:34.540 then by like halfway through the next day you're like i wish the kids were here you missed them

00:22:41.980 because you again it's it's all like unfulfilled idealized expectations there's the unfulfilled

00:22:47.740 idealized expectations of what being a mom and being a parent will be like versus the reality

00:22:51.920 of it and then there's the unrealized and unrealistic expectations of what a single

00:22:58.460 life will be like if you don't end up having kids as well this is all just a that's a matter of

00:23:03.540 expectations and setting them properly that's the thing the number of women who regret not having

00:23:10.440 children is probably much much bigger well we we know that's true uh we we we'll get some of the

00:23:17.620 data these are all like relatively young people as well yeah so um younger adults as one uh

00:23:24.980 psychotherapist from ireland finds uh approaching the question of having children very differently

00:23:29.580 to older generations and i think that's just a natural response to the kind of society they

00:23:33.460 find themselves in they find a society that is not in any way geared towards dealing with people

00:23:38.260 who have children so what are they supposed to do she cautions against buying too readily into

00:23:43.320 the village idea that everyone will pitch in the message we generally get is we'll all be here to

00:23:47.680 mine the baby but people aren't it's your baby and you'll be responsible for them so what she's

00:23:51.460 saying is the atomic civilization has atomic people and it's exactly the problem that we're

00:23:55.520 talking about this is just it would be better if there were mothers groups and this you know

00:24:01.060 like again when I was younger just it was just normal that everything organic it was completely

00:24:06.160 organic it was just normal that okay yeah there are going to be a bunch of screaming kids in this

00:24:09.640 corner or you know in the center of the the wherever you are and you just have to you know

00:24:14.320 plan around that right yes you know at one point I was one of the screaming kids and as you grow up

00:24:19.260 yeah no that's completely normal and now that just doesn't exist yeah and and the other support

00:24:23.980 they're talking about as well is we're very lucky to have very supportive grandparents as well if

00:24:29.420 you don't have that i mean that's going to be so much extra work on you as well yeah that's going

00:24:35.220 to be a well we'll we'll we'll get to that in a minute if that's all right sorry there's been

00:24:38.820 going a bit longer than i expected but there's so much here um anyway yeah so uh it's a lot of

00:24:46.200 these women uh as she says a bit further down uh she she had to go to therapy because she was

00:24:52.120 feeling bitter right and she seen now again i'm very sympathetic to this right she's like well

00:24:58.780 she thinks this feeling is permanent because the sacrifice is forever she's mis-identifying the

00:25:05.100 problem right the problem isn't that you have children and that it's difficult obviously it's

00:25:10.800 difficult but the problem is the society itself as we've said is not set up to help you have your

00:25:16.520 children and so now you feel bitter and you're you're incorrectly identifying it's the motherhood

00:25:21.500 part that is the problem it's like no it's the society itself that has betrayed you essentially

00:25:27.060 that is the problem here and again look at the expectation she puts on herself she makes time

00:25:32.860 to go to the gym see friends and is trying to give herself permission not to strive for perfection

00:25:36.680 i'm finally able to say no sorry i'm tired i'm going to have an early night have whatever you

00:25:40.880 want oh danny's it so right okay so her dad is her husband is there um she has learned that when she

00:25:46.020 does that does this the world doesn't implode uh her son sees that i'm a human being that's not

00:25:50.380 perfect and he's okay with that of course he is well of course he is like where did she get this

00:25:54.880 idea that she had to be you know like tiger mumming it and making it perfect and all this

00:26:00.980 sort of stuff right that's just not something that again when i was a kid any of the women or

00:26:07.800 men around me like seemed to have in their minds they were just go outside and play be happy that

00:26:14.180 might have just been something as well that you didn't see yeah from your own perspective because

00:26:18.740 i i mean i i know women who uh become mothers and they do kind of have their own expectation and i

00:26:25.780 think it's just setting a certain standard for themselves as well where it's like i'm gonna be

00:26:29.600 able to do this this this and this i'm gonna have the house the particular way that i like it i'm

00:26:33.720 gonna do all of these other things as well sometimes people set standards a bit too high

00:26:38.760 for themselves in that way whereas with parenting it always does have to come down to compromise

00:26:43.360 Yes, everything's copyrighted.

00:26:45.200 Anyway, the article ends by her saying,

00:26:48.560 look, when are you happiest?

00:26:50.080 And she says it's when she's having a cuddle in bed

00:26:53.000 with her son at the end of the day

00:26:54.280 is when she's happiest.

00:26:56.320 Yeah, normal.

00:26:57.340 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:58.200 Completely normal.

00:26:59.100 So it's not that she doesn't love her child.

00:27:01.540 It's not that she doesn't love being a mum.

00:27:03.480 It's that the civilization she lives in

00:27:05.920 doesn't respect and nurture that.

00:27:08.200 That's what the complaint is here.

00:27:10.260 Which is a correct complaint,

00:27:11.660 but it's complete misidentification um and then you've got this one that was published by the

00:27:17.080 telegraph which we'll go through a bit more quickly uh but as you can see i'm fed up of

00:27:21.340 being a slave the women who regret becoming mothers like what a genuinely horrible thing

00:27:26.220 so uh they this one cites a yougov uh poll that found uh eight to 17 percent of respondents wish

00:27:34.080 they hadn't become parents but now it's a movement that's growing around this a movement

00:27:38.040 okay well let's let's talk about it as a movement you're not going to unparent yourself so what must

00:27:44.420 you do right so yeah okay let's say that this is a movement to make what civilization more

00:27:51.040 conformable to mothers i'm totally up for that i am totally up for our civilization being more

00:27:58.460 interested in actually mothers being mothers rather than being office drones because that's

00:28:04.080 what's happening here uh anyway there's uh one interesting bit about mumsnet in here that i

00:28:10.540 thought was really fascinating um mumsnet is also peppered with posts by mums ashamed to be feeling

00:28:16.060 this way i'm a single parent of four kids i hate it you know that can't be easy right even though

00:28:21.580 i've helped from my family i dread the thought of him returning it's just so felt being a slave

00:28:24.620 blah blah um but there was um not being free having no identity that no identity thing should

00:28:30.700 be focused on i think well exactly she's a single mother so right it's you know you should be a wife

00:28:36.640 a mother a member of your community and things like that uh and uh this i mean this is a perennial

00:28:44.980 problem where they're just like well i wasn't prepared to kind of let myself uh become a parent

00:28:50.680 and then you've got what they call here the rise of intensive parenting they have to essentially

00:28:55.480 helicopter parent their kids and the thing is i don't know anyone who thinks this way

00:28:59.180 so i don't know who consistent involvement was over i mean you could just ignore your kids

00:29:07.600 sometimes yeah it's actually go play in the garden yeah exactly um but yeah it's totally fine um but

00:29:15.420 as you can see feelings of being burnt out uh feelings being under pressure feelings you know

00:29:21.780 whatever yeah these are these are all things that are real and matter and need to be addressed

00:29:26.440 but i'm looking for the particular bit at the bottom i'm actually are they talking about the

00:29:32.340 women earning less money as mothers yes but here here's one interesting bit one reason why young

00:29:38.400 mums and dads seem to be finding their experience of parenthood so hard they say is because of a

00:29:42.140 lack of support from the boomer generation of grandparents as one mother on reddit writes

00:29:46.320 many of these grandparents had a lot of help but refused to acknowledge that they are they had a

00:29:50.500 support system that just isn't there today that's the problem there we go now absolutely nails the

00:29:58.060 point there that it is literally our society is set up for everyone to be an atomic individual

00:30:03.860 who works in an office and who doesn't think that they have community commitments to their own

00:30:09.080 family let alone to people in the wide community but i've labeled that point enough um just to be

00:30:14.080 clear though um basically we know that married women with children are actually the happiest

00:30:20.160 women. These are various studies that have been done. The numbers are all in, frankly. Not only

00:30:27.600 are, as you can see there, unmarried and childless liberal women the least happy people in society,

00:30:33.540 but also conservative women who are unmarried and childless are unhappy. But weirdly,

00:30:38.920 liberal married mothers are the happiest people in society. And this is something that's been

00:30:46.100 well known for a while now that that was uh previously but i mean you you've seen the

00:30:50.920 subversion here's one for 2019 oh women were happy without children and spouse no they're not

00:30:55.320 the data's in we know what's what the case is uh and as they say in this one from the funny thing

00:31:01.940 go back to that guardian article right the the image that they're using there is that of that

00:31:06.280 television program what is lena dunham yeah girls or whatever it was called that if you've ever i've

00:31:12.980 not watched Girls, but I watched part of that one, because my uni flatmate thought it was

00:31:17.320 brilliant. I watched, what was it, Dirtbag? Fleabag, Fleabag, that was what it was called,

00:31:22.960 right? All of these programs which get plastered on articles like this, if you watch any of them

00:31:28.940 as well, it's about these single women drifting through life with no future, no goals, nothing

00:31:35.980 to work or strive for, no real attachment to the people around them, and they are constantly

00:31:40.740 miserable so even the fictions that they tell themselves about singledom is about how awful

00:31:46.980 everything is how it makes them feel terrible and behave terrible around them so even the

00:31:52.080 propaganda actually is surprisingly honest that you will be miserable and just to be clear but

00:31:58.000 you'll be independent and free but look at the timings on this right so women women generally

00:32:02.740 are fairly happy in the 90s and early 2000s right but then look at this weird spike where in 2014

00:32:09.540 liberal women who were single and childless unmarried and childless for a brief period of

00:32:16.200 time thought of themselves as being really happy but look at the plummet yeah that plummets down

00:32:20.560 but then look at here conservative women suddenly became super unhappy so and then you know super

00:32:27.160 happy at the same time so i think that what happened in around the sort of 2012 to 20 sort

00:32:32.220 16 area i mean there was i mean this this is a sort of later edition of it but there was this

00:32:37.880 kind of left-wing jihad to tell women that no you should be happy on your own and completely you

00:32:43.600 know you're a girl boss you know blah blah blah that that was that was very prevalent in the

00:32:47.820 culture and it seems that women were deeply affected by it frankly but anyway just to be

00:32:51.580 clear um 40 percent of married women with children say they are very happy compared to 25 percent of

00:32:57.840 married childless women 22 percent of married childless women and 17 percent of unmarried women

00:33:02.460 with children so basically the happiest cohort in society are married women with children 40 percent

00:33:10.500 of them say they're very happy that's the best odds you're gonna get just to be clear so anyway

00:33:16.020 we'll leave that there unfortunately for the sake of time we just have to move straight on um let's

00:33:19.820 go yep so just a quick reminder we are having the live event at the mecca in swindon on the 11th of

00:33:30.040 april between seven and ten and there's going to be a bunch of fun stuff and then drinks and then

00:33:36.680 more fun stuff um so please make sure you're there it's gonna be great it is going to be very good

00:33:43.140 um it seems that there's a bit of a meltdown in zionist circles but you wouldn't get that

00:33:50.060 impression from just sort of looking at this tweet here here is uh mark levin celebrating

00:33:57.040 after trump wrote a great piece of praise for him about him being a true american patriot who's

00:34:08.180 under siege with by people with far less intellect capability and love for our country

00:34:14.240 um mark levin only just quickly remind me who mark levin is

00:34:19.280 ah okay because i'm under the impression that he's a hardcore zionist podcaster so he's a

00:34:27.180 very extreme zionist podcaster who will accuse anybody who disagrees with

00:34:33.900 some things that the state of israel does of being um planning a crystal night essentially

00:34:41.420 right being a nazi so here he is denying that people should have free speech if they disagree

00:34:48.880 with his ideology there's a particular quote of his where he says yes we do cancel people yes i

00:34:53.760 think this is the one here yeah where he where he goes on about this um and he we have a president

00:34:59.680 who's leading on the fight against anti-semitism he's got the whole federal government focused on

00:35:05.760 it we have federal judges who are undermining us we have local and state politicians who are

00:35:11.440 undermining us with a media that's undermining us no never again we are going to be heard and we

00:35:19.200 are going to fight this wouldn't be clear about where his priorities are no about where the

00:35:25.760 priorities of the federal government should be you do not have the due process to chase

00:35:31.680 jewish kids back into their dorm rooms period you don't have free speech to try and incite

00:35:39.520 crystal knocks all over this country period that constitution those bill of rights i know who those

00:35:46.720 framers were and those founders were and they wouldn't put up with this for a damn second

00:35:54.000 so he's been losing it for quite some time if you ask me just i knew this guy was pretty hardcore

00:36:00.400 but that is just yeah this this government is probably entire government is focused on

00:36:06.240 anti-semitism well wouldn't be other problems that when you when you quote uh when when you

00:36:12.480 mentioned that he had said that yes we do cancel people that was in a famous speech i think it was

00:36:16.600 last september uh where he was talking about nick fuentes at the time and took a carlson where he

00:36:22.380 advocated obviously you can have your contentions with nick fuentes but took a carlson he basically

00:36:27.080 said not only should he not have a career he shouldn't have family and friends he should get

00:36:31.520 all of the personal people they wanted to ruin his reputation so much to destroy his family and

00:36:36.480 french life his social life and also went on to brag that yeah we do cancel people and then named

00:36:42.640 people including pat buchanan joseph sabran and a number of other people basically going back we're

00:36:48.300 absolutely right about everything well yeah basically for saying perhaps the foreign lobby

00:36:52.500 that israel represents has too much power in washington it goes all the way back to you know

00:36:56.560 like 92 with William F. Buckley's In Search of Anti-Semitism.

00:37:01.540 He basically just listed all of the people that Buckley attacked in that book.

00:37:05.820 Pretty much, pretty much.

00:37:07.700 And here you have him saying that if you reject Judaism,

00:37:10.600 you're rejecting our country.

00:37:12.320 America?

00:37:13.240 Yes.

00:37:13.620 I mean, if he was saying if you reject Judaism, you reject Israel.

00:37:17.080 Yeah, okay, obviously.

00:37:18.660 Yeah.

00:37:19.020 That makes sense.

00:37:19.760 No, he's got the American flag behind him,

00:37:21.720 and he's saying that it's a rejection of pretty much all of America.

00:37:26.220 if you reject Judaism.

00:37:28.480 And he drones on.

00:37:31.160 Might be worth listening to him.

00:37:33.140 We're celebrating our country.

00:37:35.220 Every July 4th, we're celebrating

00:37:37.000 the principles that undergird our country.

00:37:39.780 If you reject Judaism

00:37:42.340 and you reject Christianity

00:37:45.220 and you reject the link of the two,

00:37:48.580 you reject the Bible.

00:37:50.380 If you reject Judaism and Christianity

00:37:53.340 and the brotherhood and the sisterhood of the two not only are you rejecting our founding

00:38:00.100 you're rejecting our country there's an elementary point on this um from a christian perspective

00:38:08.680 christianity is the continuation of judaism and it's judaism that rejected christ and you can't

00:38:13.540 have judaism unless it rejects christ so you can't accept both at the same time it's really

00:38:21.020 why it still exists exactly exactly the two are making mutually exclusive truth claims

00:38:27.260 and this framing is deeply dishonest but this is who mark levin is

00:38:31.580 he's a bit extreme on some things um do you feel about palestinians well yes he's mentioned that

00:38:38.380 they are amalek and things of that nature just a quick reminder who's amalek again amalek are

00:38:44.220 people in the bible that the ancient hebrews were commanded to destroy because of their engagement

00:38:49.260 in human sacrifice and the command was to completely destroy them and take nothing from

00:38:54.140 them because part of the lesson there was you are not allowed to fight for material gain you should

00:38:59.120 not profit from them in any way and therefore you should destroy them all right so being called

00:39:04.100 amalek isn't exactly what you want if you're called amalek that's it it's kind of over and

00:39:08.660 netanyahu has used this language and a bunch of israeli officials have used this language

00:39:12.900 and a bunch of israeli rabbis have used this language to justify what's happening in gaza

00:39:17.720 and one of them went as far as wanting to nuke Gaza

00:39:21.200 and then others said that Gaza should be nuked

00:39:23.520 but only that would affect southern Israel

00:39:25.200 so maybe it shouldn't.

00:39:27.060 So there's that kind of mindset that comes with Mark Levin.

00:39:31.740 His stepson is an advisor of Mike Huckabee

00:39:35.840 and his stepson and Mike Huckabee,

00:39:38.880 Mike Huckabee being the ambassador to Israel

00:39:40.840 who triggered a bit of a diplomatic crisis

00:39:43.700 by saying that the Israelis can have all of the Middle East

00:39:47.020 as far as he's concerned um they met screw our other um allies over there i suppose exactly is

00:39:55.040 there anyone else in the middle east who has an objection to that well a bunch of them did actually

00:40:00.020 quite strongly really had to trigger a bit of a diplomatic crisis but he was meeting with a

00:40:06.620 convicted spy jonathan pollard who sort of sold all kinds of secrets and that these ended up being

00:40:12.720 passed on to the soviets so it was a bit of a major issue shall we say quite a famous case from

00:40:18.920 the 80s if i remember correctly not that i was there yes but uh but he ends up getting allowed

00:40:25.540 to travel back to israel instead of sort of spending his entire uh term and uh you know

00:40:32.900 his adoptive son or his his stepson um basically makes sure that there is absolutely no balance

00:40:39.900 in the American embassy in Israel that they don't listen to anybody who might say this is bad for

00:40:46.540 any kind of peace process. Not that I firmly believe in the peace process. But Levin says

00:40:52.160 things like they need to be afraid of us in the Republican Jewish coalition summit in Vegas. So

00:40:59.920 let's listen to that. How about little Ada Fuentes? What did his family do for this country?

00:41:05.260 what did he do how about tucker qataros what did he do for the country he interviews the qatari

00:41:14.820 interviews putin he interviews the lowest of scum genocidal maniacs from the face of the earth

00:41:22.780 now he's attacking christian zionists he's literally attacking the bible

00:41:30.140 I'm going to get a little bit into Bible literacy in a second, but let's listen.

00:41:36.860 Our evangelical Christian brothers and sisters, and it's not just that.

00:41:41.980 It's Catholics. Ted Cruz is a Catholic. He's a great man. He's out there fighting.

00:41:46.200 He's attacked. They're attacking Christianity. Why?

00:41:50.560 Because Christianity rejects what they're spewing to.

00:41:55.520 Judaism rejects it. Christianity rejects it.

00:42:00.140 Atheists reject it, agnostics reject it, gay people, straight people, women, men.

00:42:07.940 We all reject it.

00:42:10.280 I think a traditional conservative Jew would have some objections to homosexuality.

00:42:17.640 That's a different story.

00:42:19.440 But the point is, if Tucker Carlson is so irrelevant, why do you sound so afraid?

00:42:24.200 Why are you so stressed out about all of this?

00:42:26.100 So why is it so hard for people in my business or people in leading positions in government to do the same thing?

00:42:39.440 What are they afraid of?

00:42:42.380 They need to be afraid of regular Americans like you and me.

00:42:46.280 They need to be afraid of us.

00:42:48.000 So when they hear stuff like that, they say, what are we going to say?

00:42:53.300 i love he tried to frame himself as just a another joe schmo regular american exactly one of the

00:43:00.120 most powerful voices in the current administration i mean when we say why is he so afraid of tucker

00:43:05.900 carlson i think it's always worth remembering that carlson of course has his own deep connections

00:43:10.500 within cia with his father being part of the cia's people yeah regular i mean i mean what we're

00:43:16.100 viewing is interfactional fighting within the american government right now and just to sort

00:43:21.980 of highlight, just sort of end the discussion about Mark Levin, because there's a couple of

00:43:26.500 other things that are worth mentioning. Mark Levin was of the view that the Biden administration was

00:43:32.900 deeply anti-Semitic. The Biden administration had more Jews in its top ranks than pretty much

00:43:37.820 any other administration. That's a demented take. Well, quite. And his view is that Biden

00:43:46.960 and hamas supporting media are anti-semites doing a hit job on uh israel and netanyahu

00:43:55.360 meanwhile biden blinken never ever treat the islamo-nazi leader in iran like this

00:44:02.680 or even like it's it's always the same thing just a quick thing you you're absolutely right

00:44:09.360 what what we are clearly being shown here is networks of power within the administration and

00:44:15.640 various areas of government yeah not just elements of the state but also elements of other states

00:44:21.440 and these are clearly in conflict leading up to the election there were multiple factions who

00:44:27.520 had all joined the coalition supporting trump who presumably were hoping that once trump got in

00:44:33.060 that they would be able to direct american policy in their preferred direction trump has decided

00:44:38.740 overwhelmingly and we see in that recent tweet that recent truth social post overwhelmingly

00:44:45.480 to side with the mark levin faction they've clearly won this argument whereas whereas

00:44:50.340 tucker carlson has been sidelined elon musk was sidelined as such they're kind of a fringe

00:44:56.400 faction now just the cavalier nature of his use of this nancy pelosi is anti-semitic i want to go

00:45:03.800 through this list nancy pelosi is anti-semitic uh the democratic senators are anti-semitic

00:45:11.800 including bernie sanders yeah yeah yeah why is bernie sanders such a disgusting anti-semit didn't

00:45:17.800 didn't bernie sanders go to work on a kibbutz in israel when he was a like he is jewish yeah

00:45:23.000 in his like 30s or something yeah david cameron is anti-semitic i suspect his news to some what

00:45:30.280 and some people's anti-semitism is in their family's dna according to nice mr mark levin

00:45:39.680 so this is who we're dealing with and he's clearly on a rampage and trump feels that he's enough

00:45:44.500 under pressure to want to go out and defend him right and to essentially say that i am maga

00:45:49.640 oh and whoever disagrees is this maga apparently this is my right so this the government being

00:45:55.880 entirely focused on anti-Semitism, that's MAGA.

00:45:59.740 What have I been saying?

00:46:01.200 It's not for you.

00:46:02.480 Yeah, I guess.

00:46:03.220 And then Ted Cruz boosts this post

00:46:06.280 from somebody called Interaction Barbie.

00:46:09.180 Now, she may or may not be a convicted fraudster

00:46:13.720 who's also Jewish.

00:46:15.380 We don't know.

00:46:16.220 She uses a pseudonym.

00:46:18.560 But let's go through some of her critiques

00:46:22.900 of what the problem is with the United States.

00:46:26.240 And I think this is particularly important and interesting

00:46:28.380 because the point that she's making

00:46:30.680 is that there is a theological battle going on,

00:46:34.160 which is really important.

00:46:36.500 And she's saying that the people who are involved

00:46:39.440 aren't primarily interested in the midterms

00:46:41.180 or any particular election.

00:46:44.060 Their question is,

00:46:45.180 who controls the ideological and theological DNA

00:46:48.420 of the Republican Party's base?

00:46:50.220 And the only correct answer is Mark Levin.

00:46:52.900 just just just in case you had any doubts it's being they're not concerned about the midterms

00:46:58.660 well is launching just a random attack on iran concerned about the midterm well exactly exactly

00:47:04.080 uh for 70 years the answer to who controls the ideological and theological dna of the republican

00:47:09.760 party has been evangelical protestant christians 30 of the american electorate 80 of whom vote

00:47:16.520 republican motivated by deep biblical conviction organized through tens of thousands of local

00:47:22.320 churches and bound together by a theological commitment to the bible have been the drivers

00:47:27.720 of the in the conservative movements and she argues that this new wave that is coming from

00:47:34.100 catholics and from protestant christian nationalists and others is foreign because it's

00:47:40.140 important america does not have a native anti-semitism rooted in 2 000 years of living

00:47:45.600 in close proximity to jewish communities in a catholic or orthodox christian civilization

00:47:50.560 just the the like because i i've been only tangentially following this but tucker carlson

00:47:56.080 is being held up as sort of like an icon of this dissident movement because he came out and said

00:48:01.740 should america's foreign policy be for israel right exactly and that framing oh this this is

00:48:08.160 this anti-semitism is new and imported to america it's like i don't even agree this is anti-semitism

00:48:12.680 right i i actually think this is a national interest issue of the nation of america the

00:48:19.140 united states and who it should serve first now as mark levin was quite crystal clear about

00:48:24.520 the primary concern should be anti-semitism and israel first policy tucker carlson's great crime

00:48:30.760 seems to have been like and in his way going ha ha ha i i'm actually not sure that it should be

00:48:35.800 for a foreign country exactly maybe it should be for america first i don't know i'm mad you know

00:48:39.760 like under carlson impression but you know you know what i mean right that that just seems to

00:48:43.480 be his great crime because i don't think anyone's going to say oh tucker carlson emblematic of

00:48:47.580 anti-semitism this is what the average anti-semite is like it's like if it is you should be so lucky

00:48:52.460 exactly because he's not a lunatic or like an evil like horrible person exactly exactly but

00:48:59.680 the other side of it is that that europeans because of their interaction with judaism

00:49:05.400 are by their nature anti-semitic we're not that's the implication here it is it absolutely is the

00:49:11.460 other side of that coin is everyone in europe is just a jew hater which is why mark levin would

00:49:16.700 say something like it's in your family's dna david cameron is an anti-semite like this this is this

00:49:22.400 is absolutely insane david cameron is an anti-semite but but at the same time there's a fundamental

00:49:26.980 contradiction by then saying that judaism and christianity are just the same thing or so deeply

00:49:32.960 connected and aligned with one another as mark levin was suggesting in the other clip that you

00:49:37.340 showed us there's a there's a contradiction they want to use either argument when it suits them

00:49:41.700 best. Not just that, it isn't true. Well, there's that too. Jews were excluded from pretty much all

00:49:46.860 of the top institutions in the United States up until the 1920s and 30s. They weren't allowed

00:49:52.760 into Harvard. They weren't allowed into all kinds of social clubs. Yeah, the idea that there was

00:49:59.960 this sort of instant paradise for Jewish people in the United States wasn't even true on the face

00:50:06.420 of it yeah there were that was there was also differing levels of immigration of groups into

00:50:13.480 the country that there had been a jewish population within america from the founding yes but there was

00:50:19.100 a huge explosion in the early 20th century of them immigrating over from eastern europe and because

00:50:26.200 of the behavior of them because they were used to living in the pale of settlement they had very

00:50:30.060 different manners because you know they were very eastern european as well as being just very

00:50:34.840 different they all spoke yiddish etc but also like they they come in and then yeah like the

00:50:39.320 italians as well are excluded and then they start organizing for them exactly but i mean this this

00:50:44.380 is like a holdover from essentially living in the russian empire because like with all empires and

00:50:48.300 we've talked about this before you have different settlements and dispensations for different groups

00:50:52.460 exactly you know so it's it's not like living in an anglo you know open frontier country you know

00:50:59.460 so it is different yeah and then she attacks these people who are trying to sort of you know

00:51:04.640 change american foreign policy by saying that their operation must convert rather than persuade

00:51:10.680 and i find that a bit weird because you can only convert people if you persuade them

00:51:16.480 and if you persuade them they do convert in the sense that they change their their minds

00:51:20.780 also she's using the language hold on she's using the language of replacement essentially

00:51:26.000 she's using the language claiming essentially that evangelicals are being replaced in the same

00:51:31.760 way that they're being replaced by immigration she's kind of accusing which is not true she's

00:51:35.460 kind of accusing them of being muslims right as in we're we're displacing your religious convictions

00:51:40.480 yes exactly and and that's really interesting because mark levin was saying we're going to

00:51:45.240 crush you exactly to destroy you we're going to eradicate you we're going you're going to be

00:51:49.960 afraid of us exactly and the opposition i mean honestly sounds very much like how christianity

00:51:56.280 proliferated through the roman empire actually by converting and persuading while the emperor was

00:52:01.380 trying to crush them and persecute them just saying that one side is using state power here

00:52:06.540 and the other isn't exactly so you know and then she accuses palestinians palestinian christians

00:52:13.160 of being somehow evil because they're being interviewed by tucker carlson and saying that

00:52:18.300 actually christians in the west bank are suffering enormously because of what the israelis are doing

00:52:25.000 the latest of which is to plant gates all over the entrances of bethlehem essentially turning

00:52:30.960 it into a mini prison meaning that there is no freedom of movement in bethlehem now unfortunately

00:52:35.960 bethlehem has become majority muslim um but there are no exceptions for the christians and the

00:52:41.260 christian village of taipei which is the last full-on christian village in the west bank they're

00:52:46.480 getting attacked every week by jewish settlers backed by the israeli government so it just seems

00:52:54.700 a bit weird then she goes on to say that this is coming from alexander dugan why why do they talk

00:53:01.140 about alexander dugan i don't know i don't know and she claims that dugan is this great intellectual

00:53:06.660 influence on the russians even though he never has senior meetings yeah anybody has never endorsed

00:53:12.260 him no he's just he's he's never really accepted him but she claims because uh dugan met with

00:53:19.460 steve bannon one time in 2018 that makes steve bannon painted by duganism and eurasian geopolitics

00:53:27.140 i think bannon's friendship with epstein was way worse right i'd say so i genuinely i'd say so

00:53:32.940 and i say this as someone who's disappointed because i like bannon and then she continues

00:53:37.120 with a with a strange attack on on catholics and protestants the theological bedrock of

00:53:41.980 protestantism is sola scriptura the doctrine that scripture alone is the supreme authority for

00:53:47.380 Christian faith and practice, every Protestant denomination, including every evangelical

00:53:51.880 tradition, traces itself back to this principle. The Catholic Church considers sola scriptura

00:53:57.220 heresy. The Orthodox Churches consider it contrary to tradition. Both hold that Scripture

00:54:02.440 must be interpreted through the Church's authoritative teaching, which means individual

00:54:07.460 Christians cannot simply read the Bible and conclude that God made a covenant with the

00:54:11.540 Jewish people. That remains operative today. Now here's where I want to insist on getting

00:54:16.740 into the bible for unfortunately for the sake of time we're gonna have to be very quick i am going

00:54:21.260 to do it extremely quickly and i am going to refer you to matthew 21 and the story where jesus

00:54:29.180 basically condemns the fig tree for not bearing fruit and this is universally interpreted as kind

00:54:37.340 of a breaking of the covenant and saying that the jews at the time did not adhere to the covenant

00:54:44.380 and did not bear fruit, and therefore they were essentially punished by Christ. And then later on

00:54:53.120 in Matthew 21, Jesus says, you know, he cleanses the temple, throws out the moneylenders, and has

00:55:00.680 the parable about the people who had taken over a vineyard and killed the servants who had come to

00:55:09.340 collect the fruit of the vineyard that was their right, and eventually killing the son of the

00:55:15.180 owner of the vineyard. And Jesus says, well, what do you think the owner of the vineyard is now going

00:55:20.100 to do? And the Pharisees and the doctors at the time said, well, obviously they're going to receive

00:55:25.060 enormous punishment. And Jesus says, essentially, that's what applies to you. Now, if people want

00:55:32.260 to read that on their own, they can reach that conclusion. And if you're going to quote the

00:55:37.340 bible at least know something about it sure but this is not like i feel like the theological

00:55:43.080 discussion is honestly kind of window dressing for the power politics underneath exactly

00:55:47.520 i'm not saying they're not directly related obviously they are what they're acknowledging

00:55:51.960 is that this change in theological view that previously held israel to be absolutely holy

00:55:59.200 and a fulfillment of prophecy has a real political impact yes that's what they're acknowledging that

00:56:06.040 this debate is fundamentally theological because power flows from beliefs about power, and

00:56:12.040 power flows from beliefs about right and wrong. If the interpretation that is provided by

00:56:18.340 the Christian Zionists is in fact false, which it is, then they have a massive problem with

00:56:23.820 their voters, and this coalition cannot survive. And what's bringing this to a head, what's

00:56:30.020 driving Donald Trump to defend a lunatic like Levin what's driving Insurrection Barbie to write

00:56:36.060 about things that she does not understand is how badly the Iran war is going yeah and for whom

00:56:41.860 the Iran war is being waged and for whom the Iran I mean they literally came out and said oh well

00:56:48.020 Israel was going to attack and we had to preempt this and so Trump is saying the kinds of things

00:56:55.180 that would sort of demonstrate

00:56:56.540 that the war is going quite badly

00:56:58.900 by declaring victory repeatedly

00:57:01.260 by declaring victories

00:57:02.580 do you need over a run

00:57:03.680 if you're winning all the time

00:57:05.340 why is one was not over

00:57:06.780 are we tired of winning yet boys

00:57:08.060 i i think i'm tired of winning this

00:57:10.260 i mean just this statement

00:57:12.260 that we've got on screen

00:57:13.200 there's so contradictory in itself

00:57:15.860 you could make the case

00:57:16.700 that maybe we shouldn't even be there at all

00:57:18.160 i will

00:57:18.540 it's almost like we do it for habit

00:57:20.500 we just have a habit of going into wars

00:57:23.300 but we also do it for some very good allies that we have in the middle east which one is it like

00:57:27.720 there's three separate premises put there sorry carry on carry on go hurry up so basically this

00:57:34.980 is what i wanted to say what i wanted to say is that the consequence of the iran crisis

00:57:38.780 is massive and that one of these consequences is the realization that american theology about

00:57:47.860 israel has been fundamentally wrong and they're really panicked about it to the extent that ted

00:57:53.780 through ted cruz who's supposedly a catholic is endorsing a full-throated attack against catholics

00:58:01.060 by what could be a jewish lady who calls herself insurrection barbie

00:58:06.660 someone with zero respect for scripture zero respect for theology zero respect for reality

00:58:13.140 honestly and it's a good thing that this crisis is happening it's a good thing that this panic

00:58:20.700 is breaking out um and it's a good thing that now we're stuck trump is stuck defending people

00:58:26.360 like mark levin who thinks that david cameron is an anti-semite is there a more laughable man

00:58:32.860 than that and if this is what you have on your side you have a disastrous problem

00:58:38.600 and that's why they're panicking and they have no idea what to do about it because they got

00:58:43.560 roped into this war they don't know how to end it let's move on sorry for people who've sent in a

00:58:49.900 bunch of super chats we i i took up we will go through them as quickly as we can at the end so

00:58:55.980 can we get mine up please thank you very much so just to start off by reminding everybody that we

00:59:00.480 do have the live event on the 11th of april in swindon sadly but you will get to see all the

00:59:06.400 in person so um which god the christian god i look out the window and i don't see much christianity

00:59:14.820 going on out there uh you take a walk in the wiltshire countryside though and you realize

00:59:19.360 swindon ain't the wiltshire countryside keep coping please it's totally true yeah come to

00:59:26.380 visit us in swindon on the 11th of april 7 till 10 you'll get to see a live podcast you'll get to

00:59:33.620 see me absolutely demolish carl and his gen x copes his gen x copes and nitpicking talking about

00:59:41.080 the star wars prequels he doesn't know why didn't they do that he doesn't know how badly he's going

00:59:47.320 to get destroyed i'm going to be watching a marathon of plinket videos before that's right

00:59:51.000 one after the other carl is going to go through 15 years of red letter media content in preparation

00:59:56.860 for this i'm just gonna watch the films um and make my own mind up uh and uh then you get to see

01:00:04.640 a live lads hour as well so all that to look forward to make sure to be there so moving on

01:00:10.440 to the actual segment the box doesn't seem to want to work which is absolutely fine my box

01:00:15.100 i've got uh in fact the screen itself the the overwhelming power of my prequel defense

01:00:23.040 has short-circuited the computer

01:00:25.160 and is now not working.

01:00:27.000 There we go.

01:00:27.900 Here we go.

01:00:28.480 Thank you very much, Samson.

01:00:30.220 Another base prequel defender.

01:00:32.460 You can see how it's all coming up.

01:00:34.180 You can see how this version

01:00:35.260 has seeped in, guys, can't you?

01:00:36.820 No, no.

01:00:37.140 You can see how the young people,

01:00:38.760 we just have minds of our own.

01:00:40.140 This is Protestantism on steroids.

01:00:44.060 Now I know which side I'm on.

01:00:45.520 Sorry, was it handed down in Vatican II

01:00:50.340 that you have to dislike the prequels?

01:00:52.280 you are against the church of plinkett and the the tradition all right that's pretty cringe bro

01:00:57.460 pretty either way so um i want to start off with something that actually quite connects to the

01:01:03.240 previous segment but then we'll get on to the good news which is all of this can be solved it's

01:01:07.900 actually one quick simple fix to save all of america but first let's look at some of the

01:01:14.020 problems with America and part of that is the reorientation of MAGA's goals as we've seen with

01:01:23.420 the war in Iran and the military strikes in the Middle East, Venezuela, the warmongering around

01:01:32.220 Greenland in January. MAGA seems to have like set itself off of the course that it set back in 2016

01:01:38.820 when the point was it was essentially partially a workers' movement

01:01:43.100 that you could argue in favour of immigration restrictionism.

01:01:46.600 Deeply nativist movement.

01:01:47.940 Yeah, for the sake of American workers and American industry,

01:01:51.260 which there seems to still be some of that last year with the tariffs and everything,

01:01:55.220 which is trying to get industry back into America.

01:01:57.260 But part of it seems to have lost its way,

01:01:59.000 and you recently have Donald Trump making statements like this about illegals.

01:02:04.340 Many countries opened up their prisons and dropped them into the United States.

01:02:08.620 those are the people we're getting out and we have a lot of heart they said you gotta lighten

01:02:13.520 up on this we have a lot of heart for people they came in illegally but they're good people and

01:02:19.320 they're working now on farms and they're working in luncheonettes and hotels and we're not looking

01:02:26.560 we're looking to get the criminals out right now yeah well hang on i mean jesus christ just the

01:02:33.040 criminals now that's that's obviously the complete opposite of what he around this entire purpose of

01:02:39.600 he's gonna he's gonna sign up to some kind of amnesty well that is that is not another bloody

01:02:45.400 reagan amnesty yeah that's what this is sounding like there are bills in the works right now to

01:02:51.340 open up immigration for legal farm work and other sectors of agriculture and other parts of american

01:02:59.040 industry for legal workers coming in which would themselves include an amnesty bundled in with it

01:03:06.360 i'm just sticking the knives in the back that that is something to really worry about and you

01:03:11.080 can see it coming elsewhere as well from the speaker house speaker johnson saying that the

01:03:18.040 trump administration is in course correction mode on immigration after earlier this year and this is

01:03:23.860 after the immigration detention and riots and such in minnesota which was heavily down to just

01:03:30.660 the non-cooperation of the officials in the local state should have said in the national guard yeah

01:03:36.340 they should have done this is where he should have spent a lot more this is where he should

01:03:39.260 have spent his bloody political capital not on a boondoggle invasion of iran yeah and and it is a

01:03:44.140 shame because he said we had a little hiccup with some latino and hispanic voters for certain

01:03:47.980 some of the immigration enforcement was to be it was viewed to be overzealous which is why

01:03:52.500 we're on course correction mode which is worrying because that just means everything that we were

01:03:56.780 promising everything that we were campaigning on is going to be pulled back and it's a big shame

01:04:01.400 because not only did the crackdown on the in minnesota overshadow the original story which

01:04:08.640 was that there were huge communities of somalians committing overwhelming fraud the estimates on

01:04:14.300 how much fraud they were committing is still in the billions of dollars i think the upper limits

01:04:18.060 were nine to eleven billion dollars worth of fraud over the daycares and that got really

01:04:22.240 overshadowed by the fact that everybody focused really hard on the crackdown which was you know

01:04:27.980 handled in some ways quite poorly by the administration as well as having all of the

01:04:33.080 pushback from the local administration local state administration the message here is that

01:04:37.880 if you're somebody like tim waltz you can loot your own state and the federal government use

01:04:44.560 that to finance proxies who will go and attack law enforcement and that this behavior will be

01:04:50.120 rewarded the consequence of that is that mob rule works yeah essentially the administration works

01:04:56.500 for one side it is eventually going to be adopted as a tactic by the other side which is what you

01:05:02.440 don't want it's the only tactic that's what your politics is exactly at this point and that's where

01:05:08.300 we get on to this the h2a temporary agricultural worker visa there's been a lot of talk over the

01:05:15.560 past few years about the h1b visa which is of course a big problem brings a lot of foreigners

01:05:21.180 into america who shouldn't be there that should filling up jobs that should be reserved for

01:05:26.240 american workers american university graduates but h2a is more of a low skilled visa for

01:05:32.780 agricultural workers and this is going to cause some huge problems by itself which is why I've

01:05:39.680 got this article here which came out the other day from the New York Times to address farm labor

01:05:44.480 shortages Trump administration turns to migrant workers and again this seems to be a backtracking

01:05:51.260 on everything that he had been talking about regarding immigration unless of course you

01:05:56.440 remember all of those times leading up to the November 2024 elections when he was talking about

01:06:01.580 stapling green cards to people's university degrees,

01:06:05.420 bringing in more legal workers than ever before,

01:06:08.300 because this is that pivot.

01:06:09.380 This is one of the reasons that you get a lot of focus

01:06:11.300 on illegal versus legal immigration,

01:06:14.140 which is relevant in America

01:06:15.440 because of the amount of illegal immigration,

01:06:17.280 but still, this is a legal path

01:06:19.740 for those same people taking those same American jobs

01:06:23.680 to push down wages,

01:06:25.460 to push people out of these industries

01:06:27.040 that really should be filled by American workers.

01:06:29.420 Let me just pause there as well.

01:06:30.300 this i hate the fact that the frame has changed because the if we're capitalists yes this is

01:06:38.160 the creative destruction of capitalism right if you creatively destroying your country no no no

01:06:43.340 if if if you've got a business and you can't hire people for that business then you have to change

01:06:49.620 right it's not that the government is like right okay we'll just allow we'll just cram in a billion

01:06:54.580 foreign slaves then in order to make your business work no no no no if your business isn't viable

01:07:00.160 that doesn't work for whatever reason then it doesn't exist right that's how this should work

01:07:05.640 and what that does is actually gears the economy in favor of the people working in it right that

01:07:10.720 means that the country the economy the the entire thing is focused not around supporting a layer of

01:07:17.960 industry because i mean industries are always temporary anyway you know things change and evolve

01:07:21.980 over time it's about making sure that the people are just free to actually do things and okay let's

01:07:28.860 say okay we don't have enough uh farm workers well then you raise the prices or what's that

01:07:33.200 mean well that means that the price of this is going to be raising the price that's fine that's

01:07:36.220 what happens price raises price rises are basically untenable at the moment though for

01:07:42.220 this administration which had promised the golden age which had promised prices going down which at

01:07:46.320 the same time if the prices of everything including food were to start going up at the same time as

01:07:51.960 the iran war is causing prices and gas to go up because gas has gone up to over the weekend about

01:07:56.480 was it three sixty nine dollars per gallon which is up from two ninety seven or something last

01:08:03.840 month that's a huge jump in one month then that would spell disaster that's true but this is why

01:08:10.560 you don't just start random wars with primary oil producing countries i could be an answer that could

01:08:15.320 be fixed yeah i mean i just just saying but the but the point is like yeah there's going to be a

01:08:21.200 bit of pain in initially but once you actually set an economy that's based around like what's

01:08:25.760 good for your workers rather than what's good for a business then things start changing naturally

01:08:31.120 on their own i mean this is like this is not even new economic theory either way i've got a lot of

01:08:36.000 information to get through sorry sorry so carry on so regarding the tight labor market as it says

01:08:41.180 here because there are farm workers and fewer new immigrants and younger americans willing to toil

01:08:46.160 the fields we get that argument by the way that just young people which aren't willing they're

01:08:50.540 just not not willing to actually do these jobs so we need to bring all of these people in it says

01:08:55.580 here the administration has quietly acknowledged in recent months that its immigration raids and

01:08:59.580 crackdown on the border have aggravated the issue so it is instead turned to an alternative source

01:09:04.300 making it far cheaper for farmers to hire immigrant workers on temporary visas many farmers have

01:09:09.820 celebrated these changes made to an increasingly popular visa program known as h2a noting the

01:09:16.640 difficulty in hiring american workers and tough economic conditions for the industry but immigration

01:09:21.240 hawks and labor unions are opposed, saying that this will increase the share of foreign workers,

01:09:26.440 hurt native workers, and suppress their wages. Because of course, most of these workers in

01:09:31.440 agriculture are going to be Mexican as well. Only 0.4% of farmers in California reported losing

01:09:38.720 workers directly to farm raids in the Trump administration's raids last year, according to

01:09:44.100 a new survey by the California Farm Bureau and Michigan State University, but more than 14% said

01:09:49.640 that the raids and general anxiety surrounding enhanced immigration enforcement caused worker

01:09:54.560 shortages which just goes to show how dependent a lot of these farms and these more marginal farms

01:10:00.340 are on illegal workers and they'll be overt in saying so you have them come out to republican

01:10:05.840 rallies and basically say listen i need illegal workers because otherwise i can't manage my

01:10:10.800 business my business will collapse if i don't have these illegal workers among labor intensive

01:10:16.720 crops like fruit and vegetables that number was nearly 20 percent the labor department in a

01:10:21.940 regulatory filing revamp filing revamping the h2a program in october acknowledged the challenges

01:10:28.280 finding workers the near total secession of the inflow of illegal aliens combined with the lack

01:10:33.400 of an available legal workforce it said results in significant disruptions to production costs

01:10:38.840 and threatening the stability of domestic food production and prices for u.s consumers now all

01:10:43.060 of this is building up a picture of okay i guess we need these people then yeah i guess we desperately

01:10:46.960 need these people if the if the um industry if it's so difficult and so marginal that you need

01:10:53.340 illegal workers then i guess we're just going to have to open up these routes but there is more

01:10:57.480 information in this article down the line that directly contradicts all of this so we'll get to

01:11:03.920 that in a few minutes under the new changes the agency adjusted how wages paid to h2a farm workers

01:11:09.580 are calculated effectively lowering our hourly rates by between one dollar and seven dollars

01:11:15.760 depending on the state according to some estimates farm owners can also now include housing as part

01:11:21.720 of the compensation package they provide to guest farm workers so it's literally your battery

01:11:27.060 farming migrants yeah whilst suppressing the wages as part of this bill it is suppressing wages as

01:11:35.140 just part of the text of the bill it's just about creating and preserving an underclass

01:11:40.740 i also don't believe this young people won't work on farms nonsense i mean if you pay them enough

01:11:47.100 they will well that's that's that's the funny thing but we'll carry on so the reduction in

01:11:51.440 wages has prompted a lawsuit from the united farm workers of america which represents thousands of

01:11:56.120 field workers it argues that the rule will adversely harm american farm workers by lowering

01:12:00.260 their wages as well or pushing them out of the labor pool entirely which obviously is the bill

01:12:05.040 is lowering the wages these people need to be

01:12:07.020 paid. Which essentially shows

01:12:08.940 that this is, it could be characterized

01:12:10.380 as a huge

01:12:12.440 government-backed subsidy

01:12:14.100 for farms and agriculture.

01:12:17.040 Okay? And you can say,

01:12:18.760 you know, we're massively supportive

01:12:20.660 of farms in this country.

01:12:22.900 We're supportive of people who work the fields.

01:12:24.760 We're supportive of people

01:12:26.640 producing their own food and being self-sufficient.

01:12:29.580 But perhaps there are

01:12:30.660 better ways to subsidize

01:12:32.860 these industries without

01:12:34.560 destroying your country on the graphics at the same time is whether this administration is

01:12:39.480 willing to take the steps to not only save its industries while preserving them for the future

01:12:45.380 and also as part of the one easy trick actually cutting the knees off cutting the legs off of

01:12:53.000 the next potential democrat administration having an extra excuse to flood the country with more

01:12:58.300 immigrants but i'll carry on but for bruce talbot who operates a peach orchard in vineyard in

01:13:02.880 colorado the move will reduce his wage bill and allow him to hire more workers making the economics

01:13:07.840 of farming far more viable mr talbot has tapped into the h2a program for more than a decade as

01:13:13.840 the pool of locally available labor so slow to a trickle now if we take that at face value that is

01:13:18.720 a genuine problem yeah it needs to be tackled but then the question is why has the why has the

01:13:23.880 problem arisen and how do you tackle it so is it that people don't choose these jobs because of low

01:13:28.760 pay is it because of more wide societal problems like falling birth rates meaning less natives

01:13:35.720 who are of the age to fill these positions in the first place is it cultural is a lack of

01:13:40.540 motivation people being overly socialized in a technological environment so they don't want to

01:13:45.180 go out and work the fields which could also even be connected to falling testosterone all of these

01:13:50.440 all of these things which i mean falling testosterone make america healthy again

01:13:54.820 cyclical thing yeah go out and work in the sun see if the testosterone goes up all of this is linked

01:13:59.560 is it too many immigrants already in the sector pushing people out is it young people being

01:14:05.240 pushed to do white collar jobs instead of blue collar jobs is it welfare defend dependency or

01:14:10.640 other factors and we'll find out below and similarly there are other factors we can't

01:14:15.560 just take it on face value that mr talbot is forced to do this or he'd go out of business

01:14:20.700 he is an interested party in all of this so there are other factors at play that make immigrants a

01:14:26.540 desirable workforce not only is it now subsidized by the government slavery yeah by another also

01:14:32.300 there are the other aspects of it which is the same with h1b you are dependent on the employer

01:14:37.120 to remain in the country which means that you are going to be more compliant you're not going to ask

01:14:41.200 for your rights because he could just say well i'll ship you off and get somebody else here

01:14:45.340 there is the lack of connection to native workers alongside that employer dependency

01:14:50.460 and it's the same thing we see with amazon equals no unions and finally there are the

01:14:56.200 there's no social or cultural attachment to the local area meaning these people are not distracted

01:15:01.500 by going out and drinking or having a social life they have more time to work more time to focus

01:15:05.980 on work so we have to take all of that into account but if we do take all of that into account

01:15:11.440 the question becomes if the government can subsidize farms to the tune not only alongside

01:15:17.720 this bill but to the tune of an estimated 44 billion dollars in 2026 and there are other

01:15:24.560 estimates that i'll get to which are higher why can it not use some or all of that money to instead

01:15:30.680 help automate these farms instead of flood the country with foreign labor we have the technology

01:15:37.340 We have more than enough technology that's getting better at being produced quickly, it's becoming cheaper because of the availability of it. Why can the American government, instead of subsidising these farms by getting them to bring in more foreign workers, in this case from Mexico, why can't you just give them, pay for them to have better technology? Which is a solution I'll get onto.

01:15:58.600 But just to destroy some of the other arguments that this article has presented so far, they say here,

01:16:04.600 Mr Talbot's farm employs four to five dozen guest farm workers annually, the vast majority of whom are returning workers,

01:16:11.900 and from Mexico, with just half a dozen local workers, six. Six local workers.

01:16:17.480 He says, other hard-working Americans, of course, but they're in construction and they're in oil and gas and they're in career jobs,

01:16:23.760 they're not in seasonal farming.

01:16:25.040 Mr. Talbot's point about the lack of domestic workers is reflected in the data.

01:16:29.320 Under the H-2A program, employers must also demonstrate an inability to hire US-based workers.

01:16:34.760 In 2025, only 182 of more than 415,000 advertised positions received a domestic applicant,

01:16:41.600 but that will be contradicted in the very next portion of the article, where they say,

01:16:45.660 in the past two decades the number of certified h2a visa positions has risen sharply to nearly

01:16:53.020 400 000 in 2025 up from 50 000 in 2005 that is exponential growth these temporary workers now

01:17:04.020 make up 15 of all crop workers and about 40 of crop workers are also illegal immigrants as well

01:17:12.540 and a third and only a third are american citizens according to latest government estimates

01:17:17.300 maria they speak to here a farm worker of nearly three decades in idaho who declined to share her

01:17:23.960 last name because she's not authorized to work in the united states they literally found an illegal

01:17:28.840 immigrant farm worker it seems like they can't not find one yeah exactly it's easier to find an

01:17:34.180 american sorry more difficult to find an american said in an interview that she had witnessed the

01:17:39.280 program's growth firsthand over the past four years she spent fewer and fewer weeks planting

01:17:44.440 and harvesting onions beans alfalfa and wheat as more and more h2a workers arrive to make up for

01:17:51.320 the lost hours she's resorted to selling tamales while other local workers have taken on second

01:17:56.180 jobs and her american-born 17 year old son was unable to find a job in the fields and was told

01:18:02.460 that teenagers were no longer wanted given the availability of h2a workers they are literally

01:18:09.120 pushing the illegal immigrants out of work and that poor 17 year old like being born in america

01:18:17.520 means he does get american citizenship so he can say no i'm an american why can't i get a job

01:18:22.500 uh well apparently because too many illegals we've got too many mexicans sorry bro not even

01:18:27.440 illegals because your mum can't get work here anymore actually yeah sorry you're gonna have

01:18:31.360 to apply for somewhere else but doesn't this just prove the point of those unions though

01:18:35.160 this kid has literally been denied to be able to apply because of all of these workers which just

01:18:42.120 tells the lie when they cite these statistics of only 182 people applied for these jobs who were

01:18:48.060 domestic workers well yeah they're not accepting domestics for applications because they've got

01:18:52.920 too many mexicans that they want to come in on the cheap anyway and it just carries on to say

01:18:58.140 this year as a result of wage cuts to the h2a workers as a result of this october bill

01:19:03.000 maria the illegals may also see her hourly earnings drop to 11 dollars from 17 dollars

01:19:11.220 need to save our illegals that's the thing even the illegals are having their wages cut

01:19:16.040 by foreign workers coming in that is insane this is an insane slush of money just

01:19:23.520 is ridiculous the economic policy institute left-leaning think tank even the left-leaning

01:19:28.640 think tanks are getting in on it as well estimated the methodological changes would result in a two

01:19:33.760 billion dollar cut to annual wages of guest farm workers and a three billion dollar cut for u.s

01:19:39.380 based literally slavery right we're getting to literal slave wages here and here you go what you

01:19:43.920 were saying earlier about the amnesty congress too is considering more sweeping changes to the

01:19:47.840 program bipartisan bill introduced last year would streamline the application process reduce costs

01:19:53.240 and expand it to year-long employers that currently do not qualify like dairy farmers because so far

01:19:58.340 this is about seasonal workers but now the rest of the agricultural and farming industry could be

01:20:05.240 subsidized in the same way so if you work on a dairy farm in america the administration the

01:20:10.300 regime might screw you next and as well as that the bill would establish a pathway to legal status

01:20:16.020 for unauthorized farm workers already in the united states so an amnesty that's that's what

01:20:21.080 we're getting here and let's not pretend as well that it's not a problem that a lot of these people

01:20:25.700 like so many others overstay their visas. This is from 2019 and 2021, but these figures are probably

01:20:31.940 worse now. Overstays represented about 46% of the 10.7 million undocumented immigrants in the United

01:20:39.440 States. And one of the big achievements of Donald Trump's presidency so far has been his ability to

01:20:45.660 close the southern border. But let's not pretend that with that route closed off to them, a lot of

01:20:51.840 Mexicans and people who would normally be passing through the southern border are instead going to

01:20:55.680 seek other routes and while they say that at the moment h2a does not have much fraud with the route

01:21:03.280 through the southern border being closed you might see a massive spike in fraud as those same people

01:21:08.640 apply for temporary seasonal worker visas and then skip out on them that might be something that is

01:21:14.080 about they do this all the time with student visas in britain exactly 450 000 student visas and only

01:21:20.160 a fraction of those actually going to be students and again all of this is completely unnecessary

01:21:26.960 and there are policy institutions that have been talking about this for a while like white papers

01:21:31.600 policy institute i recently spoke in an interview to their director cyan quinn you should check that

01:21:36.800 out on the website but they have done articles like this talking about robots and remigration

01:21:42.720 saying that the amount of technology that is being developed to do this kind of menial labor

01:21:47.040 will make this kind of illegal or cheap foreign labour completely irrelevant.

01:21:52.320 This is the one simple fix to not only fix the current labour shortages,

01:21:58.760 to fix the current problem of needing foreign labour or saying that you need foreign labour,

01:22:03.100 but could also, again, put off at the legs any future democratic administration

01:22:08.500 who would want to use this as an excuse to flood the labour market with foreign labour

01:22:13.940 and therefore change the demographics even more.

01:22:16.660 you can say we don't need them we have automation so they talk about in here the united states is

01:22:22.720 spending 150 billion dollars to host 18 to 20 million illegal aliens probably more but they

01:22:30.140 say they like to use estimates from reputable organizations part of these funds should be

01:22:34.340 taken up to deporting every last illegal alien but then we must help our farmers catch up to

01:22:38.700 the modern era and encourage more young men to take up farming as it becomes more high tech

01:22:43.300 Creating a program of $20 billion in grants to go to small and medium-sized farms for a period of eight years would effectively automate the entire agricultural industry and massively boost yields and lower costs.

01:22:57.660 This would be a complete positive. There are basically no downsides to this.

01:23:01.720 And when you have administrations that multiple admins in a row, green light bills that are up to $2.2 trillion at a time, $20 billion to modernize your entire agricultural industry is a drop in the ocean.

01:23:16.260 Why would you not?

01:23:17.240 Exactly. Why would you not?

01:23:18.900 And they say that's just in one sector, tax incentives and grants for young people to start businesses that rely on robotic rather than cheap labor.

01:23:24.920 I hate to say it.

01:23:25.840 Yeah, they could go on. But essentially, just do that.

01:23:28.380 Because Donald Trump has made some good strides with immigration in America so far over the past year.

01:23:35.420 It's net negative for the first time in years.

01:23:37.920 But that could all be wiped out by one Democrat administration.

01:23:42.380 And this could be a silver bullet to destroy the excuse of agricultural farm labor

01:23:47.740 and other such industries bringing in these foreign laborers.

01:23:50.440 Because instead, you could just get...

01:23:52.380 The candidates, based off a number of components,

01:23:55.460 simple one easy fix and you're saved let's go to the video comments

01:24:03.440 um the labor government did this back in the 50s and 60s spent money keeping people in work even

01:24:11.600 important workers rather than investing in new tech that's why we end up so far behind the

01:24:15.160 japanese in the 70s i live in a rural area tons of farms around i drive past cows and i'll end up

01:24:20.500 eating every day want to know how many migrants work around here zero trump is benefiting industrial

01:24:25.660 agro corps not america yeah this is the thing right like i am actually convinced that i could

01:24:30.660 edward bernay style sell farm work to young people yeah i'm absolutely convinced you can do it because

01:24:36.680 frankly i think a lot of young men don't realize that they're kind of weedy and low t because

01:24:41.720 they're not doing manual work right you're not out in the sun all day sunning your balls and

01:24:46.640 physically moving they don't have to be naked in the fields do they because that might turn them

01:24:50.940 off listen man i've been reading raw egg nationalist book now i'm joking i like read it

01:24:56.880 i'm just teasing um but the point is like it's your unhealthy office lifestyle that's doing this

01:25:02.060 to you i think it's an easy sell to be like actually you can make money and be healthy

01:25:05.900 and get a wife and anyway let's go on to the video comments patriot patriot patriot vampire

01:25:13.500 Nationalist

01:25:14.660 Mental retard

01:25:15.860 Eugenicist

01:25:16.920 A scared man

01:25:17.980 Really

01:25:18.820 Retard

01:25:19.820 Retard

01:25:20.920 Vampire

01:25:22.360 Vampire

01:25:23.200 Next level

01:25:24.040 Moses

01:25:24.880 That was a great edit

01:25:28.200 Yeah

01:25:28.580 That's hilarious

01:25:30.040 We got all the answers now

01:25:31.060 That was the one

01:25:32.840 And yeah also

01:25:34.060 Sounds like you've got dairy farms around

01:25:36.380 As well with all the cows and such

01:25:38.560 With this bill that they're going to put through

01:25:40.460 To make it so it's not just seasonal workers

01:25:42.140 that thing that i've been talking about h2a could be opened up for your local farms as well so pray

01:25:48.640 that they don't pass it mad dwight says you picked a challenging venue for the live event lads

01:25:54.200 how do you expect to top the raw visceral energy on display from that sea of silver-headed boomers

01:25:58.820 at the lace reform event there well i mean you're just gonna have to help us out aren't you anyway

01:26:03.140 the links will all be in the descriptions so come and join 11th of april um uh where is it i had a

01:26:10.200 question about that, actually, that I wanted to address

01:26:12.500 because it's

01:26:14.560 from First Keeper Orland

01:26:16.240 says, will there be a live stream

01:26:18.380 of the live event for those who can't make it to

01:26:20.460 Swindon? Well,

01:26:22.580 no, but we will record it and

01:26:24.520 put it up on the website behind the paywall afterwards

01:26:26.500 so you can come and watch it afterwards.

01:26:28.900 And Cumbering Kulak says, great podcast

01:26:30.400 today, gents. Thought-provoking stuff. Well, thank you very much.

01:26:32.460 Doing our best. Omar says,

01:26:34.340 they can put out as much propaganda as they want, but

01:26:36.160 the maternal reset switch in

01:26:38.300 most women is one cuddled baby away yeah and uh a lot like i i i see the opposite problem

01:26:45.300 uh in not just my wife but other women where they're complaining that oh this will be my last

01:26:49.820 baby and they feel like this like deep thing and like just pull in them and it's like you know

01:26:57.180 what can you do you know so doug says my wife is currently pregnant with the first of our children

01:27:02.060 congratulations i agree that the anti-natal with the anti-natalism sentiment no no nowhere has

01:27:08.660 anywhere for families to spend time particularly the cities any tips would be greatly appreciated

01:27:13.420 bring back dadism well that's the thing just it doesn't make sense that our societies aren't

01:27:17.780 geared towards our children and we're going to regret it in the future dreadnought logan says

01:27:22.880 someone who wants a wife with plenty of children i find this anti-mother stuff the work of the devil

01:27:26.680 himself well it's very much presented that way but if you actually look under the surface it's

01:27:31.560 actually a cry for help it's actually a cry for please we need some help and actually i'm totally

01:27:36.840 in favor of us helping these women yeah i jumped to conclusions because of the framing to blame the

01:27:42.020 women and i think that's part of the reason they frame it that way for young men to go oh what's

01:27:46.540 the point of getting with a woman anyway whereas by the end of it it's like yeah i can understand

01:27:50.720 where these women are coming from bbc have just presented it evilly yes yeah no that's exactly

01:27:55.660 it's it's present and it is deliberate you know it's yeah it's very subversive lena says i believe

01:28:02.760 sometimes the opportunity for women to have it all also eventually eventually puts the pressure

01:28:06.460 on them to be it all that's why being a mother is so difficult these days it's just difficult to do

01:28:10.920 on the side especially if you're not wealthy like the women in sex in the city or whatever it's like

01:28:15.040 yeah no i completely agree it's completely unfair and it really annoys me as well that's why i

01:28:19.860 covered it today he had softik has something really nice to say well you do you want to read

01:28:23.400 out because there's a really beautiful tradition in tim cast irl of writing a live comment while

01:28:27.860 waiting for the birth of children do you guys think that we could start it here too writing

01:28:32.300 from the clinic waiting for my firstborn adam greetings from germany well congratulations i'm

01:28:37.500 very very happy for you you guys can feel free to do that in the chat if you'd like i think that

01:28:42.480 that's really nice i'll tell you what man there's nothing more stressful than waiting for your wife

01:28:46.640 to give birth jesus christ like basically right it's it's it's it's kind of harrowing no one ever

01:28:55.020 talks about like what it's like for the husband because of course the wife's currently going

01:28:57.380 through something but you're sat there you can't do anything and something titanic is happening

01:29:01.720 like there's screaming there's like you know panic that the midwives are doing stuff and you're just

01:29:06.680 sat there like oh god i hope everything comes out all right and then suddenly you're holding a crying

01:29:10.420 baby and it's just like you and honestly there's such a build-up of tension the only time i ever

01:29:14.940 cries at the birth of my kids it just washes out of you um anyway it's it's it's tough man um i

01:29:22.060 just remember my missus getting a massive needle in her spine yeah mine did yeah to help get oh god

01:29:28.560 i'm bad with needles but i had to just get over it it's a brutal needle i mean because it was her

01:29:33.280 was the one who was dealing with it so i was like well i was just look me in the eye sweetheart

01:29:38.020 Just let me in the eye.

01:29:39.200 And the needle is huge as well.

01:29:41.340 Anyway.

01:29:43.820 That's a random name says,

01:29:45.360 there's a limit to the fear people have of these Zionist subversives.

01:29:48.420 Morgoth is right.

01:29:49.040 The Israelis are burning up every last bit of goodwill the world has towards them.

01:29:52.460 Yeah, I know.

01:29:53.020 And the strident attack on people who are sort of putting their heads up

01:29:59.840 and saying, well, I'm not really in favor of this,

01:30:01.440 like from Mark Levin and that sort of type.

01:30:03.240 So this is not helping your case.

01:30:04.560 I mean, if Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are all anti-Semitic, then, like, okay.

01:30:13.440 Bernie Sanders is one of the most Jewish people in public politics in America, and even he's an anti-Semite, apparently.

01:30:19.560 Yeah, but it's, like...

01:30:20.620 It's laughable.

01:30:21.960 Tucker Carlson is not some frothing, foam-in-the-mouth hater, right?

01:30:25.500 Anything.

01:30:26.160 And that's the thing.

01:30:27.300 Like, you've picked the wrong target there.

01:30:29.040 I'm not even saying that you can't disagree with him.

01:30:30.720 Of course you can disagree with him.

01:30:31.900 You know, I'm not even saying he's not being funded by Qatar.

01:30:33.660 maybe he is i don't bloody know it's entirely likely right but like he's not just a rabid

01:30:38.980 hater and that framing him like that just doesn't work yep absolutely alex says ted cruz and other

01:30:44.960 neocons believe they need to support israel because it'll bring about the end of days and

01:30:48.040 the second coming they're theological lunatics yeah the honestly a lot of people don't realize

01:30:53.240 just how bonkers this entire conversation is the third temple movement there's that old clip of

01:31:00.160 saying it back in what 2017 when he moved the embassy to jerusalem and he was saying like i

01:31:06.520 see that we can rebuild the third temple or something it's like oh okay this this is just

01:31:11.240 like mad theologians running foreign policy right yes yes yeah it's evil scientists but for the

01:31:18.020 theologians really yes yeah uh and arizona desert rat says a refinery in i believe saudi arabia was

01:31:24.780 hit by iran impacting oil supply and trump announced that a new refinery would be built

01:31:28.800 texas about 10 years too late uh gas in arizona is four dollars 35 to four dollars 65 a gallon

01:31:35.040 right now well listen jesus you don't want to know what the price of our petrol in britain is

01:31:39.400 right you don't want to know yeah because and ironically something like two-thirds of it is

01:31:43.400 government taxation oh it's ridiculous so we are we also have the whole like north sea thing that

01:31:49.480 we just don't do anything with oh yeah yeah it's insane yeah uh and we're over time but i'll read

01:31:56.400 out maria's here regarding agricultural labor one constant is that the it is seasonal uh add to the

01:32:01.900 issue with the capital cost of harvesting equipment profit per season there is no simple or easy

01:32:06.060 solution and there is a place for uh surging seasonal workers during harvesting but they

01:32:11.020 have to return home between seasons and have no right of citizenry yeah i mean there's all sorts

01:32:16.000 of uh answers but i mean i genuinely think well the the thing is i do agree that it's it's seasonal

01:32:21.980 right now but these new bills that are going through congress seem to want to open it up to

01:32:26.860 being non-seasonal as well just like like dairy farming is all year round no all year round and

01:32:32.320 even then there will be a lot of spillover from people overstaying visas and there is still a

01:32:37.960 better way to do it and the government is subsidizing it and spending taxpayer money on it

01:32:41.700 anyway why not just shore up all of these seasonal farms all year round so they don't have to rely on

01:32:47.640 foreign labor instead right it's literally just edward bernese things right just persuade young

01:32:52.580 women that what they want is some buff handsome chad farmer husband and literally they'll all be

01:32:59.020 like oh look you know put it you know make an adverts tv show whatever like we're all these

01:33:03.440 women it becomes i want a big handsome stud guy on the farm and young men like well i have to

01:33:08.460 become a farmer then it will literally you know just edward bernese gave us the the template for

01:33:14.300 of this. Everyone knows how to do this, just get it done. Anyway, that's all we've got time for

01:33:19.420 today folks, so thanks for joining us. Go and get the tickets to the live event in the description,

01:33:24.860 and we'll see you tomorrow!

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 16, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1375

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