The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1376

00:00:00.000 good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1376 i'm your host harry

00:00:06.120 joined today by stelios hello everyone and nate otherwise known as mr h reviews thank you for

00:00:10.780 joining us as always good to get an invite back uh well you know it was 50 50 coin flip you never

00:00:16.700 know right yeah yeah bo wasn't on your side but you know the rest of us were like bo you can't

00:00:21.700 keep talking about nate behind his back like this bastard i know i know right uh because of course

00:00:27.200 they host a show together

00:00:29.060 what is it called? State of Politics

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00:00:31.180 It's the next link

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00:00:37.700 it's right there

00:00:40.700 Samson's fiddling with cameras so you can't see it

00:00:43.960 but just a few things to say

00:00:45.960 we are going to be covering the British

00:00:47.740 just being a feeling these days

00:00:49.320 is it on screen yet Samson?

00:00:51.640 Yeah yeah so there's State of Politics

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00:00:54.880 uh where you can check out nate and beau talking all the time and um uh we all the time constantly

00:01:02.240 about about any nonsense um we're also going to be talking about stelios is going to be discussing

00:01:07.600 the louis through manosphere documentary which i have not watched you have obviously have you

00:01:12.480 watched it yeah i'm interested to find what your take was on it and i'm going to be talking

00:01:17.080 generally more about film the oscars and why films look terrible right now they just look

00:01:22.660 rubbish for the most part and why no one can agree why that is one last thing before we start is that

00:01:28.260 we do have the live show so make sure to get tickets for that whilst they're still available

00:01:32.800 that'll be on the 11th of april if nothing else come because nate has promised to be there and

00:01:38.640 we'll be planning on getting as sloshed as possible true story ignore everything that's

00:01:44.520 going to be happening on stage and instead watch nate get so drunk that his trousers will fall

00:01:50.100 down it'll be hilarious i assume that's what's going to happen at least maybe we'll see uh and

00:01:54.520 also there is a live brokonomics after this at three o'clock where dan is going to be talking

00:01:59.540 about the iran war and the chain of decisions that has led to it so all very exciting stuff

00:02:05.300 with that let's get into the news all right let me just uh

00:02:09.300 cheers hamster mate um so british is just a feeling once again we're back we're back at

00:02:20.820 this conversation where british is just a feeling uh so a little bit of a self plug here uh i posted

00:02:27.900 this on twitter because a bit of a crazy statement from one kelly j keen or posy parker um i'll kind

00:02:35.300 of read this out in a minute but we'll just watch this and set the stage i guess is there any parts

00:02:40.860 of right-wing politics that you don't agree with yes there is there's this new kind of if you're

00:02:46.580 not white and christian you're not british i find that quite objectionable as though any of my kids

00:02:52.540 could marry someone who isn't white like my husband's white so my kids are white and all

00:02:57.660 our ancestors are white but i can't think for a moment that i would go on when my grandchild's

00:03:03.380 mixed race therefore not really british um i just can't get on board the color of that

00:03:08.640 and people have talked about it a lot like i'm english i'm ethnically english but i'm nationally

00:03:14.520 i'm british national and i think it's a culture it's a frame of mind it's um you know that it's

00:03:23.140 it's just the way you behave whether or not you're british and where you're born maybe but i think you

00:03:29.020 can i think you can become british it's just an attitude yeah and i hope the audience realized

00:03:34.520 that i'm so opposite i just want to pause it there are you picking up on anything maybe some

00:03:39.820 parallel arguments that have been used maybe in in what and how she civic nationalism well i'm

00:03:45.860 speaking more about how she grows to notoriety any other argument there about you can just feel

00:03:51.300 something maybe so i i'm just gonna a certain way i'm gonna preface this by saying that we've had

00:03:56.820 Posey on a number of times we consider her a friend of the show and like personally I think

00:04:02.660 Posey is great but this is a very very confused statement that she's giving that even outside of

00:04:08.640 all of her anti-trans activism and the fact that this is directly contradictory to that she's

00:04:15.560 literally just saying using the trans argument for how you can be British as long as you feel

00:04:19.840 British which is just not really true similarly the statement in and of itself is just contradictory

00:04:25.980 in all manner of wild ways let me just uh do this i'll try occasionally to to be kelly's advocate

00:04:34.060 on this just for conversation's sake right so i do agree with harry because there there are

00:04:40.200 several contradictions there or lots of stuff that she said that seems to me to be more of

00:04:46.600 you know speed of the tongue in that respect because this reminds me of the ethnic and the

00:04:52.680 civic nationalism debate yeah i guess so yeah yeah and she mentioned culture and culture isn't

00:04:59.040 i mean it does have a scent the aspect of a sentiment inside sometimes but not only that

00:05:04.940 it is way of behaving but yeah just throwing just words isn't the most helpful but yeah i'm sure you

00:05:11.140 have more to show oh got loads more got loads more so those initial comments well just perfectly

00:05:15.480 reasonable but then she's gonna she's gonna make you uh disregard a lot of what you just said well

00:05:20.260 i'm i'm also gonna i'm also gonna add a few other things as well here and this is to reflect my own

00:05:26.360 mentality and for mixed race people watching the show she's completely true in saying her grandkids

00:05:32.680 would be english they would be part they would absolutely you know we have that's just a true

00:05:38.460 statement we have calvin on the show and i wish nothing but the best for him but this is in terms

00:05:41.860 of decisions that you are that are yet to be made and values and such that you want to pass down

00:05:48.080 onto your own children she says that you know all of her ancestors are white british all of

00:05:53.700 her husband's ancestors are white british as a as a global section of the population

00:06:00.560 white people and in particular as well white british people actually to be fair white british

00:06:04.740 people anglos are probably the largest single ethnic group across the entire world of european

00:06:10.960 descended people yeah probably followed up by germans in america as well but as a global

00:06:16.700 population we are white people the absolute minority that's 17 i think last uh lower than

00:06:22.820 that i believe it's lower than 10 yeah there's conflicting yeah this is why they've started

00:06:26.520 using phrases like the global majority to men when they refer to non-white people now and the

00:06:32.180 question is is it not a shame to break that continuity is it not a shame to essentially

00:06:38.040 advocate or excuse or hand wave away the uh the the like destruction of your own ethnic group the

00:06:45.420 i'm not going to go as far as to say it's genocidal rhetoric it's ethnocide for sure

00:06:50.560 but it's ethno it's ethnocidal just just just just two other things right uh one would you not

00:06:57.880 want your descendants to look like you and to be able to recognize those features in yourself

00:07:04.200 in them you know one of my great prides and my mrs great pride is when we look upon our daughter

00:07:09.600 and we can see our different features and similarly we can see the personality traits

00:07:13.520 that she's inherited from both of us it's a great joy to be able to pass that down from generation

00:07:17.760 to generation and similarly as well there is the very thorny genetic subject here as well and again

00:07:25.060 this is not to insult anybody of mixed ancestry you know nobody chooses who their parents are

00:07:32.000 going to be your parents choose to have you um but there is the ed dutton argument as well which is

00:07:38.020 if you have a mixed race child genetically speaking you're more closely related to any

00:07:43.860 random european person you pass on the street than you are to your own descendant which is a very

00:07:50.480 tricky place to find yourself in all right well let's continue because some of the things that

00:07:56.760 you guys have said ah chef's kiss a very very intelligent woman so that answer should be taken

00:08:06.040 notice of because there's a lot of these fnats beating that you're going home drum if you're

00:08:10.360 black brown or yellow and for me i think the whole you can become british culturally and mentally

00:08:16.760 because your attitude controls your attitude and i know a lot of foreign people that contribute so

00:08:21.720 much they've assimilated they pay their tax they support that you know they they protect my friends

00:08:27.160 my family i've worked the door with them they've saved my ass and i guarantee some of these fnats

00:08:32.520 not only are they missing teeth you want to you want to respond to shill mitchell no i'm just i'm

00:08:38.660 just thinking back to his interview with steve yeah my nigerian mate footlong is my is my guy

00:08:45.700 is my mate from was a guy is my guy and mate not british well you just said he's guy on and mate

00:08:52.220 yeah so come on i get it gets worse it gets worse they probably never worked a day in their life

00:08:56.420 it's like well which one would you rather be in the country the spongy nefnat or the or the or the

00:09:01.880 the contributing african yeah that's right shill mitchell just toss your your your your your ethnic

00:09:08.920 brothers to one side because maybe they've been displaced in their homeland and uh they're unable

00:09:14.000 to get a job because of unfettered legal and illegal immigration and and maybe an african was

00:09:20.420 given everything on a plate that's right shill mitchell just toss them all under a bus don't

00:09:24.300 worry about it because they're unable to get a job how about everyone up north where you really

00:09:28.020 really really struggle because the economic zone is completely falling apart how about that shill

00:09:31.600 mitchell how about that what are you going to do what uh an ethnic brit is worth less to you

00:09:36.800 than some random african migrant just because they got handed everything on a plate they came

00:09:41.140 here they're put up in a hotel really it's absolutely absurd it's so disgusting also

00:09:46.660 that's just not statistical reality no it's just like you're you're picking two imaginary people

00:09:53.160 and in terms of the statistics if you were to if you were the god hand from black and white or

00:09:58.520 something and you had a group of 100 white english people and 100 black african people who got here

00:10:03.440 yesterday and you were to like just randomly pick one you're so much more likely to pick an

00:10:09.440 economically contributing white english person than black african person in this country that's

00:10:14.680 that's just a ridiculous nonsense but in his eyes he would much prefer to to toss the ethnic that

00:10:24.140 maybe can't get a job out of the country that's what he's just exposed there it's disgusting

00:10:29.080 it's absolutely disgusting gets worse i agree someone said to me the other day oh you're you're

00:10:33.920 a traitor you should be defending white people and i'm just like i just can't i just don't see

00:10:39.280 it's productive it's ridiculous never trust someone who can um bite into a curly whirly

00:10:44.440 and not hit any chocolate what does that even mean it's classist snobbery i i've never heard

00:10:53.620 that before what does it mean it's about people that can't get good dental health care oh and i

00:10:58.320 wonder why you can't do that uh posy posy i wonder why people can't seemingly access the nhs dental

00:11:04.580 service at the moment uh ah yes that would be over subscription yeah do we understand supply

00:11:11.680 and demand yes basic supply and demand we understand but the moment it involves random

00:11:16.920 foreigners we uh we toss supply and demand equation completely out of the window um so

00:11:22.400 there's that so that that's the that's the statement this is what we're talking about today

00:11:26.180 what do you reckon guys do you like it i hate it i want to see what you have next because i see this

00:11:32.280 smile oh yeah well this is not working is this working mental do the boxes oh it is oh it's

00:11:37.300 working my god and and now we start to look into the contradiction like a radio genoa video or

00:11:43.100 something yeah well now now we start to look at the contradiction so kelly j kean

00:11:46.500 the british caliphate but apparently british is just a feeling it's just a vibe anyone can

00:11:52.580 be british kelly what's going on here if the british is simply a feeling and an attitude

00:11:57.060 the british caliphate can literally exist as per her logic and let alone getting into the argument

00:12:04.400 that the staggering lack of self-awareness and i you know i know i know kelly is a friend of the

00:12:11.480 show but how can you be so disconnected from what has created you as a figure combating people that

00:12:22.500 claim anyone can become a woman by using the very same arguments you're using to claim anyone can

00:12:27.680 be british it's absurd and like that anyone can dismantle your argument now kelly the moment you

00:12:35.640 stand up and start doing your activism everyone will just go yeah but you said anyone can be

00:12:39.260 british love because it's just a vibe it's just a feeling it's just absolute drivel and nonsense

00:12:44.540 it's okay to say that the british are people it's okay to say that if i'm going to try to uh steel

00:12:51.840 man uh posy i'm going to try i'm going to try to argue from her perspective because she's not here

00:12:57.640 to defend let me do that i'm the villain i'm the villain of the show no no no sometimes you die a

00:13:03.920 hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the she did defend herself i had an

00:13:08.120 interaction well i was i was just going to say that from kelly's own perspective i would imagine

00:13:13.920 that she would argue that the realities of gender and sex are much more distinct than within race

00:13:21.280 where there is a definitive cutoff with sex that you don't see as as sharply as you do with genetics

00:13:29.740 and race where there are some kind of like wiggle rooms and gray zones in between and she is still

00:13:35.700 ultimately arguing on behalf of a cultural british nationalism and a cultural british identity

00:13:41.780 and it isn't just throughout christianity for starters so the islamic british caliphate can

00:13:48.020 exist as per her own logic she's already thrown out you have to be white and christian or at least

00:13:53.520 christian values to be british she's already throwing that out so as per her own logic the

00:13:57.940 british caliphate can exist it goes on my son's college has no idea how many undocumented migrants

00:14:03.960 attend this or any campus and have taken no extra safeguarding steps but they might feel British

00:14:08.240 Kelly they might feel British what's wrong with them oh sorry what was what was Stelios no no I

00:14:14.040 just want to say because there are just lots of things being thrown here both by Kelly and I think

00:14:20.320 from what he said it's just the the Christian bit I know for instance some people who are pig

00:14:25.420 who identify as pagans some of them are also friends on the show yeah I wouldn't say Tom

00:14:31.540 rousal isn't english or british neither neither would i okay but that's her position okay is to

00:14:37.300 throw out what that was was a thinly veiled attack at restore britain right which doesn't even make

00:14:43.980 any sense because that's not what charlie downs said okay right but that's what that was well

00:14:49.120 charlie was talking about the christian heritage of england and britain more more generally if

00:14:55.860 you're talking about britain more generally we have two thousand years of christian heritage going

00:15:00.880 almost 2 000 years going back to roman britain when the brits were um uh were converted under

00:15:06.260 the roman empire and then after the fall of the roman empire it only took what 100 200 years

00:15:13.720 between the anglo-saxons arriving before they were all converted i mean you have bead writing in the

00:15:18.840 early 7th century and he's already writing the ecclesiastical history of the english people that

00:15:25.160 being a recognition of the english as a christian people so charlie really was just speaking to a

00:15:29.960 historical reality you know i agree i i absolutely agree i i agree that but she doesn't but i also

00:15:36.840 agree that yeah you could be pagan and still be british like i accept that she doesn't though

00:15:41.560 that's the thing right and so if you're going to throw out any of these kind of uh defining

00:15:47.500 factors of what is going to make someone british you can't sit there and now then claim that the

00:15:52.540 british caliphate couldn't exist under her own logic right you've got where's your position

00:15:58.140 same as this oh there's been a misgender right okay well i mean that's that's that's fine you

00:16:04.780 can laugh about misgendering posy but it's all fine and dandy to laugh at people who claim that

00:16:09.920 british identity exists yeah one of the things i want to hear from people who are defending

00:16:15.660 the the civic line of argumentation is right you are talking about culture as being

00:16:22.780 you know a way of life that involves pattern of sentimentality and values but what are these

00:16:29.280 values occasionally they say but the question is are these values uh compatible with a kelly fate

00:16:36.180 yeah yeah well but to build off of that yeah her position is it's just a feeling it's how you act

00:16:41.660 it's like but who are you acting yeah who are you acting like kelly you're acting like a people a

00:16:47.040 group of people and who are they kelly the british who are the british even using her own

00:16:52.540 statements it completely gets dismantled into pieces well yeah too often when they talk about

00:16:57.460 british values what we what we end up discussing are the kind of more post-war liberal values and

00:17:03.660 even then liberal i would say is very different in the post-war period to what it was in the pre-war

00:17:09.000 and victorian period where i would basically say that like liberal values now are just like

00:17:13.520 free market edward bernays wants to sell women cigarettes forever that's that's what i see like

00:17:19.620 a complete radical individualism so that you can be a mindless consumer and packaged along with

00:17:26.020 that come these british values of tolerance and acceptance and inclusivity which aren't really

00:17:33.020 british values i'd say if there is one prevailing british value that's been held for a good few

00:17:38.240 centuries by british people it's been a general sense of fairness which is different from

00:17:43.880 inclusivity and different from tolerance it's a very we're actually quite different we're quite

00:17:49.420 an intolerant people actually that's why we conquered the majority of the world and imposed

00:17:53.560 our own position on certain countries oh indians you're welcome the fact that women uh whose

00:17:59.160 husbands have died you're welcome you're not burning on a funeral pyre you're welcome the

00:18:03.600 british did that the british stopped that that was our intolerance to a barbaric act you're welcome

00:18:09.520 indians anyway so it goes further if this thing works uh just another just again just ideological

00:18:16.360 sort of hypocrisy from kelly j keen predatory men will shield themselves with whatever ideology or

00:18:21.340 job or vocation that provides them with cover that enables their abuse i mean i agree i agree

00:18:27.460 um but what about predatory subversives looking to accept being replaced kelly

00:18:31.840 anyway we'll continue on um oh the rights of women and children will be erased

00:18:39.420 but but i thought anyone could be british posy this is all about islam the foundation of that

00:18:48.280 entire religion is paedophilia and i've heard many a conversation on this channel they will justify

00:18:53.600 how that's fine and it was a different time and it was a different place and no it wasn't it was a

00:18:59.380 right okay well that's just vacuous incoherent nonsense as well kelly unfortunately because

00:19:04.680 if they just come here and they feel like they're british according to you

00:19:08.200 they're british so again just brilliant love it um oh what's this oh there are some on the right

00:19:15.060 who would not consider this man british i just like to slightly for those not watching just

00:19:20.980 listening it's an african guy it's a black guy and he calls out british politicians who are anti-trump

00:19:26.940 is your statement here kelly that you have to be british to make a coherent argument

00:19:34.320 an intelligent argument what is it the thing that's always assumed what what are we doing here

00:19:39.560 is that there is some kind of value judgment in stating factually whether somebody is or isn't

00:19:44.720 it's again it's a it's a factual statement and what we take issue with is um our own existence

00:19:51.100 being denied to us when we're not saying that there's anything inherently wrong with not being

00:19:57.100 british we have a preference for our own but i'm in favor of people having pride in themselves and

00:20:03.120 pride in their own histories and achievements and it's removing our ability to hold that pride in

00:20:09.020 ourselves that we dislike. Stelios isn't British but he is a friend of the British. So I wanted to

00:20:15.640 ask you um how exactly do you define British? I'm not trying to be from the British Isles. Okay so

00:20:22.280 is it just English being part of the fourth ethnicities? I would put it down to the yeah

00:20:28.100 The ancestry, the kind of expansion of British to be a broader civic identity is a holdover from the empire, really, when you became a British subject, if you were under the empire.

00:20:39.420 But prior to that, really, British is Scottish, Welsh, English.

00:20:44.680 So it's descended from the fourth ethnicities of these isles.

00:20:49.200 That's what I would say.

00:20:49.780 the main okay yeah i think that just keeps it nice and simple and stops from having all of the

00:20:54.660 this wiggle room and gray area where our identity is somehow up for debate yeah but that's that's

00:21:00.100 how i would always and uh always have uh defined it um and so she does actually understand

00:21:07.620 she does actually understand because she then decided to post

00:21:10.740 a timeline of events short timeline britain's peoples right okay so you do understand then

00:21:15.620 Kelly

00:21:17.980 you do understand

00:21:20.480 why did you

00:21:24.360 what are we doing here

00:21:26.020 what's going on

00:21:27.700 could this be her own sense of fairness

00:21:30.480 coming through the idea that oh it would be

00:21:32.500 unfair to exclude these other

00:21:34.540 people as long as they are patriotic and not

00:21:36.660 trying to hurt women no idea

00:21:38.320 literally genuinely no idea could it just be

00:21:40.420 that she's trying to speak to an audience that she

00:21:42.560 knows that Liam Tufts already has

00:21:44.100 again i'm not trying to like necessarily carry water for arguments i'm trying to understand

00:21:48.940 yeah no i i genuinely don't understand it it's constantly flip-flopping and and this is why i'm

00:21:54.000 showing you so many examples um and then and then well of course um now it's blame misogyny so this

00:22:00.040 was this morning i never doubted that misogyny is alive and well on the right and the left

00:22:04.980 and so i chimed in shameless plug uh make a stupid comment that has been used to argue that men can

00:22:11.620 be women be a classist snob and have an outgroup preference which he literally did by saying i

00:22:16.720 won't defend white people then blame misogyny no introspection no self-awareness i didn't

00:22:21.220 she replied i mean you you did in fact do all of those things kelly your argument that being

00:22:26.960 british is an attitude and a feeling you can just act a certain way and be british is the precise

00:22:31.040 argument used for men can be women if you can't see that then that's on you you then begun looking

00:22:36.420 down your nose at people with apparently bad teeth typical classes of nonsense from you and

00:22:40.060 Liam I won't defend white people comment that's an outgroup preference you live in Wiltshire the

00:22:44.240 demographic change has not reached us yet I know because I live here as well but nodding along that

00:22:48.440 an African brought here and given everything on a plate is more worthy than the downtrodden native

00:22:52.100 Brits is suicidally empathetic and you destroyed all of your credibility in a heartbeat and then

00:22:57.200 tries to defend it Liam made a joke about a particular type of person I thought not all

00:23:01.500 people with the view that British only refers to ethnicity it's a particular type of person

00:23:05.500 that is seeing the demographic change of their country firsthand whom also cannot access the

00:23:10.660 nhs dental care because the demographic change of their ancestral homeland and whom may not be

00:23:15.480 able to get a job because the demographic change of their homeland it's all well and good laughing

00:23:20.060 laughing at all and showing no sympathy but that's just a reflection on you and liam it's on

00:23:24.740 some video like we saw it all so there was that uh and this is just a round out which may seem a

00:23:32.240 bit left field it's all about integration basically it's the same argument that people

00:23:36.620 have been making about integration if they just act british they're british so we can claim that

00:23:40.980 they're british and we can just integrate with them all fantastic i mean this is a really a lot

00:23:48.560 of this is a question of if they're already culturally compatible and then also just a

00:23:54.160 frankly a matter of scale many people have pointed out it's very very different if you go back to the

00:23:59.200 1990s and you find um one or two token black or asian people being described as british and

00:24:05.860 nobody having a complaint about that at the time i mean one there was media suppression of opposing

00:24:10.820 narratives and there were already people who were complaining about it who just didn't get their

00:24:14.660 fair day in court but also it's a it was a much smaller problem back then when it's one or two

00:24:21.280 people and maybe you've got a guy who lives on your street around the corner who is friendly

00:24:25.680 who has tried to integrate it's a completely different scale particularly following the

00:24:30.080 boris wave oh yeah i i have a question with respect to her point because i don't know about

00:24:35.220 it maybe maybe you guys do what are the limits a force for um inclusiveness to british identity

00:24:44.340 according to her literally no idea there's just i don't feel it's vibes it's the same position

00:24:50.000 nigel i think it's don't be islamic well yes yeah yeah maybe or she's a she's a zionist so yeah

00:24:55.360 maybe maybe it is that i don't honestly i don't know because it's so incoherent i mean you don't

00:24:59.780 have to be no zionist to oppose um what no no i agree these are coming in i agree but it's the

00:25:05.860 nigel farage position basically which is it's yeah um so i don't know i don't know at the end

00:25:11.740 of the day i have no idea because she pretended that she didn't do those things she did do those

00:25:16.660 things so she was presented with an opportunity to actually respond to it and just lied just

00:25:22.340 denied the existence of the video which clearly shows she did those things um so i don't know

00:25:28.240 genuinely i don't know um and just to round this out um this is a post just highlighting connor

00:25:35.300 tomlinson who um you know was just talking about national identity right deriving from ancestry

00:25:40.420 and uh harry and lay divvy said um god they're still trying the trans argument and i'm like

00:25:47.360 well axel rudy cabana was a welsh choir boy then i guess yeah what we doing

00:25:52.460 all right there you go get that man off screen right now not connor the other one oh oh there

00:26:02.920 you go i want to do that poor harryan yeah yeah poor poor boy uh let's go through the

00:26:08.860 rumble rants quickly before we

00:26:11.000 carry on to the next

00:26:13.020 segment.

00:26:15.900 And

00:26:16.300 it's alright, Samson, we can use

00:26:19.060 the mouse ourselves, thank you.

00:26:22.680 Sigil Stone.

00:26:23.620 Harry, you're suspiciously Irish.

00:26:25.420 Check the other two for green and pinch

00:26:27.180 them if they don't have any. Happy

00:26:28.960 St. Paddy's Day, lads. I don't know how I'm looking

00:26:31.020 particularly Irish today. I have an English pin

00:26:33.140 on. I'm wearing very

00:26:35.580 dark colours.

00:26:36.640 the english and the scottish have been flaxen haired for years i'm just saying also i've

00:26:42.260 actually taken multiple genetic tests no matter how much they try and subvert me by suggesting

00:26:46.940 that i've got some like eastern european in me or something which i don't have you done the what

00:26:53.020 what test have you done i've done living dna i've done ancestry and they have updated the results a

00:26:57.520 number of times never once given me irish i also have done living dna did you do the viking test

00:27:03.180 no i didn't do the viking because i did the viking test and i'm i've got um

00:27:07.800 quite a bit in you i've got eastern european viking eastern european yeah you've got ukrainian

00:27:13.980 viking rapist in you they took quite a giveaway they got quite a journey to get back around to

00:27:21.280 england didn't they now i've done living dna and i came back like literally no scottish no welsh no

00:27:27.080 irish 96 percent 96 point something percent english and then three point something percent

00:27:35.240 danish swedish norwegian scandinavian i am almost like interesting i'm about pure english did you

00:27:40.600 do the neanderthal test um i did that no i suspect it would come out quite high well no so you want

00:27:45.880 like a medium a good amount it was like a medium amount medium to high amount on their scale have

00:27:50.680 you seen this brow ridge mate yeah yeah exactly eric can i have the mask please it's good it's

00:27:55.960 It's good stuff.

00:27:56.560 Yeah, I have just spilled my coffee.

00:27:58.080 Thanks.

00:27:59.000 Getting too excited about Neanderthals.

00:28:00.720 Yeah, clearly.

00:28:02.420 Stelius, do you mind just clicking off?

00:28:03.720 I right-click by accident while I was passing it to you.

00:28:05.800 There are a few others.

00:28:07.780 That's a random name,

00:28:08.880 and Sigil are all attributing particular quotes to me.

00:28:11.820 You know, Calvin, you're one of the good ones.

00:28:13.340 He is.

00:28:14.260 I still love you, Calvin,

00:28:15.180 despite your thorny genetics.

00:28:16.520 Fact check, true.

00:28:17.720 You're a good one, Firaz.

00:28:19.160 You get a parachute before we toss you out the plane.

00:28:21.580 I don't know.

00:28:21.980 We can carve out a corner of the Cotswolds for Firaz.

00:28:25.020 He's a good lad.

00:28:25.960 kassad wouldn't if there were only one mixed race person in 99.9 percent white england whatever but

00:28:31.120 that isn't the case our people are under threat of erasure so forgive us if we're not willing to

00:28:34.360 compromise on this even then though actually mixed race is only maybe like two or three percent of

00:28:39.040 the entire population the revealed preference is that people just don't really do it and for those

00:28:44.280 of mixed ancestry who don't hate the white side of their family as is sadly all too often the case

00:28:50.280 I don't have much of a problem with them at all

00:28:53.020 on an individual level

00:28:54.640 Bay Stape, I think you can one-shot the lefty

00:28:56.980 argument here by forcing them to answer the question

00:28:58.660 what's wrong with not being British, I thought these people

00:29:00.860 were all about diversity, exactly

00:29:02.520 there's the value judgement that they're assuming

00:29:04.580 that we're not presenting, random name again

00:29:06.920 intolerance is definitely a British value based on

00:29:08.880 how they've treated your kind, Harry

00:29:10.840 what the English

00:29:12.860 okay, and Cranky Texan

00:29:14.820 regarding non-Christian Brits, a fish can

00:29:16.860 believe that air is just as good as water until the

00:29:18.840 land animals move in and drain the pond. All right let's move on to our next segment.

00:29:24.360 Netflix released a documentary called Inside the Manosphere by Louis Theroux and literally

00:29:29.580 everyone is wrong about it. I want to infuriate you but actually you'll agree with me by the end

00:29:35.740 of this segment. But before we say more about it Harry has something to tell us about a live event.

00:29:42.140 Oh yes we have our live event coming up on the 11th of April between 7 and 10. It will be in

00:29:47.800 swindon so make sure to bring your stab proof vest along but if you do so you'll get the chance to

00:29:52.880 see me um will you be there stelios um probably not you won't get to see other reasons it's open

00:30:02.180 you'll get to see me carl beau dan uh josh some reason i didn't even realize he still works here

00:30:08.220 fear as and a number of others you'll be able to see very drunk nate and with that you'll be able

00:30:13.240 to see a live podcast

00:30:15.260 for Lotus Eaters, a live Lads Hour

00:30:17.400 and sandwiched in between those

00:30:19.080 sprung on me yesterday. You'll be

00:30:21.260 able to see a live prequel

00:30:23.200 debate where I will get to destroy

00:30:25.680 the infidel

00:30:27.280 Carl Benjamin with my facts

00:30:29.260 and logic and he will just get to

00:30:31.240 throw out old nitpicks from Red Letter

00:30:33.320 Media and Plinket reviews. So

00:30:35.300 please join us for that. Be a great time.

00:30:37.380 Get your tickets while they're still available.

00:30:39.220 Speaking of Carl Benjamin and also

00:30:41.580 Louis Theroux here is Carl's video about Louis Theroux and the documentary about the Manosphere

00:30:47.000 check it out I'm gonna disagree with Carl respectfully let's move on what do it

00:30:53.720 disrespectfully call him a cook I mean I try to be diplomatic in how I I phrase things no you also

00:31:00.620 know that there is a rich tapestry of what's behind it fury yeah underneath your calm demeanor

00:31:07.500 right i asked people has anyone watched lutheru's documentary about the manosphere if yes what did

00:31:14.360 you make of it rory said that it reminded him of the value of hard labor lots of these people need

00:31:21.940 to be labor camps and i absolutely agree with him so let let it let him let me put a like to rory

00:31:28.560 here a lot of these people need to be oh he said should be put in labor camps a lot of these people

00:31:33.920 just need to be like working in the minds right so everyone is wrong about it everyone including

00:31:41.900 Louis Theroux yes except for myself obviously right one of the issues is that when we have

00:31:49.000 documentaries and when documentaries are released there's a difference between the content of the

00:31:53.600 documentary and the framing of the documentary by a number of people who are trying to make

00:31:59.340 something out of it a good example is adolescence i mean if you just look at it you can just

00:32:05.360 see some part of it i know uh queer starlin said it was a documentary but i think yeah but it was

00:32:12.220 a documentary though it wasn't but the way it was presented and the way everyone started speaking

00:32:17.420 about it and the way everyone started saying this is representative of the average zoomer kid

00:32:23.620 or of the average what's the generation after zoom is alpha the alpha kid that's when things

00:32:31.000 go south and this is what has happened here as well because Louis Theroux he he is very sneaky

00:32:37.560 about it in several parts of the documentary he throws some comments that contextualize

00:32:45.200 contextualize who he's talking about that lots of people have missed especially people who haven't

00:32:51.740 watched it but he hasn't on the other side gone out and say no other people are framing the

00:32:58.680 documentary and are making points that i wasn't making in the documentary so it's it's a good

00:33:05.400 marketing strategy but again it's the framing by many sides that gate get things wrong so you

00:33:11.620 contending that louis theroux himself has presented some of the information in bad faith

00:33:16.620 Not necessarily, but he hasn't said no to people who have tried to make it a much larger thing

00:33:24.540 than he claimed inside the documentary for that to be.

00:33:28.480 And I want to say that at the end of the day, I think, you know, if you want, just watch it.

00:33:32.720 I think it does have some good value in it.

00:33:35.300 I will say how exactly I think this comes about and why.

00:33:39.180 That's the most important reason.

00:33:40.580 and you can just look at it and see some good things in it irrespective of what you may think

00:33:48.120 of him what he says about it and what other woke progressives say about it

00:33:53.300 and actually i'm going to say what how it can be productive to men who have been let's say let down

00:34:02.540 by the system and society and by feminist by uh you know ultra feminism there is something for men

00:34:09.220 who have grievances against the onslaught of yes of feminism one thing i would imagine a lot of

00:34:15.020 people would uh who dislike the framing of the documentary would say was that society is against

00:34:20.680 men right now this group that he's looking at no matter how coarse you may find them online

00:34:25.820 are trying to do their best to better themselves so this is essentially if he's going out and

00:34:31.480 trying to make it sound like these men are all psychopaths and extremists or terrorists in waiting

00:34:35.880 this is basically going out and kicking them while they're down that's not what he did but

00:34:39.520 that's part of my big criticism to him is just he threw some really substantial points that

00:34:45.880 contextualize what he did and he just didn't emphasize on them and that's the most important

00:34:50.580 thing so for instance he didn't demonize the manosphere although he is presented as demon as

00:34:57.420 sort of being against the manosphere like here we have this article by bazaar that is contextualizing

00:35:04.800 what he did in terms of you know the manosphere's main players or louis through against the

00:35:13.040 manosphere within the documentary he says that he finds the majority of the manosphere relatively

00:35:20.080 uncontroversial that's about 17 minutes in but then he says that he is going to focus on a few

00:35:28.800 outliers because he finds them more intriguing but that's something that in the framing

00:35:34.560 wasn't there and he didn't expand more on that so he he directly says that he's talking about

00:35:40.320 outliers but it's somewhat brushed over yes and especially to uh when it comes to him talking

00:35:47.360 about um some of these influencers especially justin waller he isn't trying to make a demonic

00:35:55.680 to paint a demonic portrait he does try to build a human portrait and he tries to say for instance

00:36:01.520 that he did have problematic background that he isn't demonizing him and also he's talking about

00:36:08.320 some of his fans and he says i try to understand why people are attracted to this kind of content

00:36:14.240 and again he isn't talking down to them he talked to some fans of justin waller for instance and

00:36:20.800 they did say that clavicular no no he didn't speak about he didn't get mugged by clavicular

00:36:26.720 he didn't get framework was his cortisol spiking at any point in the in yeah that was the air

00:36:34.560 yeah and he he got instant or a loss oh my god louis theroux's never been more over

00:36:41.920 like right okay total unk moment i hate this new dana guys louis theroux unk maxing okay so so he

00:36:51.280 he was trying to aura form with uh some of the extreme outliers of the manosphere he was clear

00:36:56.400 about it and towards the end he did say that uh the male male privileges in society have been

00:37:03.600 have been uh lost to a significant extent and that people are let's say very much alienated

00:37:10.400 and feel dizzy what does it mean by male privilege then in society he didn't say more about it he

00:37:16.080 said he didn't he didn't say about it that alone that framing is completely inaccurate you've got

00:37:20.480 to understand it's vague but men never had privilege in society they've they are always

00:37:25.360 the ones to be tossed to one side uh in war they're always the ones to uh have to be thrown down the

00:37:30.960 mines to get all the natural resources they're the ones that sit down in sewerage to fix it yeah i

00:37:36.320 mean there are pros and cons but there were there were some there was a status yeah being a man that

00:37:42.720 well you've got to understand i think you work for it i think that kind of rhetoric is simply

00:37:47.120 louis through jester maxing for his pay masters okay um uh just speaking of jester maxing i think

00:37:54.960 everyone in this documentary is accusing everyone else of jester maxing but who's the true jester

00:38:00.780 goon uh i hate myself i hate myself i hate myself language i want to be very upfront with what i

00:38:10.060 think people can get from it so there are some people who say it's not a good documentary it's

00:38:17.460 it's libtard it's uh just a woke progressivism and men will find nothing in it and it talks it

00:38:24.400 doesn't talk about the reasons that cause grievances to men especially legitimate grievances

00:38:30.900 i want to say one thing if you look at it as a trolling documentary of some outliers within the

00:38:39.300 manosphere who are taking advantage of the pain of men oh that's a given they absolutely are doing

00:38:46.300 that yes then that is a good documentary you can get from it right i mean yeah i mean i i i have

00:38:52.620 my criticisms of that whole sort of shtick and that is the primary thing of it it's like a lot

00:38:57.040 of a lot of the manner sphere just says don't even go near a woman it's like oh that's that's

00:39:01.420 definitely going to help people mate that's really going to help people yeah well done

00:39:04.780 but you what are you doing that's terrible advice so that's the issue is that there is a problem

00:39:10.700 with grifting and especially when he goes to hs tiki-toki who was incredibly upfront about the

00:39:18.200 whole thing right why are we having to talk about a guy seriously that's exactly himself hs ticky

00:39:24.080 yeah but wait wait that's my that's i have a good answer to you harry right so hs ticky-tocky say

00:39:31.100 what you want about him but he was very upfront about how he sees things what does the hs stand

00:39:36.820 for his name i think harrison smith okay all right the thing is when people start noticing

00:39:43.580 the pattern of grift right right right when it when it comes from someone who is completely

00:39:50.100 blatant and open about it they can start detecting it and noticing that pattern in other influencers

00:39:56.760 who are trying to scam them sell them all sorts of uh you know bad advice bad investments bloody

00:40:04.220 andrew tayton his his fitness course that he tried to sell it's the most ridiculous you have to sell

00:40:08.560 a fitness course mate his fitness course is the most pathetic driveling go on go on give me give

00:40:13.160 me an example give me i'm just gonna do like 100 precepts and like any yeah mate i it's it's i'm

00:40:18.740 gonna do like 100 lateral raises i don't know this no no i watched a video on it and this is

00:40:26.300 just i did a post a few years ago about it i was like never take your advice from someone

00:40:31.160 that thinks yeah this is not remotely scientific this is absolutely pathetic and he's like oh

00:40:36.740 those science bros they don't know they're talking about so they know more than you mate yeah and i

00:40:41.140 mean there is there is within the the let's say the sphere and the industry generally speaking

00:40:47.040 the podcasting industry there is a kind of concern that people have to in talking about people they

00:40:53.880 consider grifters because especially they they may think that they have a huge audience they may want

00:40:58.900 to flirt with that audience let us just not say that much about it let us just let grifters

00:41:04.800 expose themselves it's going to implode either way i think it's a it's a good thing to notice

00:41:10.960 when grifters are exposed and it's a good thing to notice when patterns that suggest that people

00:41:17.960 might be grifters yeah i think it's morally just to point that out as well quite frankly yeah and

00:41:22.660 if you care about men why should you let men that's exactly spaff their money up the wall

00:41:26.960 that's exactly nonsense and which will further lead them to like down a part a cul-de-sac or

00:41:31.840 lead them down a cul-de-sac of absolute nothing where their lives are not fulfilled like you can't

00:41:36.860 if you care about you know certain people in society you don't allow that to happen you call

00:41:41.220 it out at the very least exactly so really just that that's my point that you can't say on the

00:41:46.840 one hand louis theroux doesn't care about uh men and their grievances right and be silent

00:41:53.580 in front of the manipulation and monetization of men's grievances especially when it leads

00:42:01.660 them to dead ends yep that's fair to know so that's the point so i think it's an it's a good

00:42:06.480 thing if we check harry's favorite hs ticket hockey in this minute from this the interview you did

00:42:14.500 with bonnie blue i thought you saw that yeah it was interesting i think she's disgusting bro

00:42:19.020 i think she's absolutely repulsive you've got 500 000 people on your telegram right

00:42:25.840 yeah and you're advertising only fans goals on there yeah do you think there's a contradiction

00:42:31.560 there no because i openly say i don't give a fuck and i'm doing it for money i don't care about

00:42:37.520 the morality of it i know it's not good i i say to people don't watch porn it's sad it's loser

00:42:46.220 shit you can't say i promote it but i discourage people from doing it but you can we can say it

00:42:51.760 but it doesn't mean anything how does it not mean anything it's a bit like say come down to the gym

00:42:55.980 i'm going to help you work out and then you come in the front door and there's just a row of donuts

00:42:59.600 here's a box of donuts that i'm holding up to your face if you eat that you're a loser but i'm

00:43:04.700 gonna go work out now it's like well i think there's a better metaphor it's just like saying

00:43:08.960 no don't be addicted to gambling and just profit from a casino just that's a better but you see i

00:43:14.920 think i think that's a good thing to point out just when you see people yeah theroux's fair

00:43:20.920 further yeah when you see people you know just say one thing and make money out of you know the

00:43:29.380 opposite it's a it's a sign that it's a it's a grift yeah if you care about something you're

00:43:35.440 not then going to profiteer from it like exactly yeah well stupid you are right a guy like this

00:43:39.900 who says he cares but then does that doesn't actually care about it was this released on

00:43:45.340 netflix sorry yeah that was a few days ago you have to be very careful with that clip going out

00:43:49.180 on youtube yeah they will copyright the hell out of that yeah just just saying just saying definitely

00:43:54.940 if you didn't see it guys go on twitter and have a look at what we're talking about right okay so

00:43:59.640 um and he was saying that there was a patent there were several things that hs tiki-toki was doing

00:44:05.700 he was promoting companies he put 500 pounds in they turned into 150 something he lost then

00:44:14.580 uh ticky-tocky started saying that he he multiplied it by 26 times which

00:44:22.860 theroux says it's basically a lie well yeah i mean he can say anything he wants but like louis

00:44:29.340 theroux can also come back and say well here's how much i actually made from it yeah and anyway

00:44:33.660 all of these people have like weird crypto investment scam apps and some kind of investment

00:44:39.560 secret that they want to teach you yeah and that's the thing is that we can talk we are always talking

00:44:45.640 about age demographics here the our audience is unlikely to fall into the trap of buying you know

00:44:53.180 crypto yes from that from people of the sort but there are young people who yeah who may be allured

00:44:59.380 by this i don't give uh you know a rat's ass about anything uh you can escape the matrix by buying my

00:45:06.440 coin and then just you you get scammed and you're in an even worse position than you were before

00:45:13.640 and he's talking also about other other issues just there is also the a very open and upfront

00:45:23.300 admission that all of this is for clout because clout is being monetized and and hs tiki-toki

00:45:31.260 harry's favorite uh nickname nickname he's my favorite influencer he taught me everything i

00:45:37.760 know no he was saying basically that if he was a good person he wouldn't get social media clout

00:45:44.480 and he does everything for clout but there were some other problematic features that when he was

00:45:49.580 doing this that he was going out with his mates and they were um hitting people claiming that they

00:45:56.320 were nonces pdf files now there's a danger in people trying to play to act as being judge judges

00:46:07.400 juries and executioners especially when they're doing it for clout for media clout just that's

00:46:13.080 an extra thing that um is uh you can see here here is justin waller i don't think he was demonizing

00:46:20.120 here and he did trying to he did try to to explain why he he viewed things even though he did but

00:46:28.400 that was that was a fun clip he was talking about one-sided monogamy i think it's it has to do with

00:46:34.220 a harem so one-sided monogamy is when she's faithful to you and you just cheat on her yeah

00:46:38.560 but just let's uh look at this clip are you married no i'm gonna get a lot of smoke for

00:46:44.600 this i always do everybody gets mad at me when they ask me about my relationship are you saying

00:46:48.500 you're not in a monogamous relationship one-sided monogamy yeah women don't want to sleep with

00:46:53.500 other men when they love a man one-sided monogamy means what it means like see here we go here we

00:47:00.120 go setting me up the mother of my children the woman that i'm there's a question she doesn't

00:47:05.020 talk to other men so stings huh anyway so what did he say no no no i want to see the reaction

00:47:15.880 You seem upset by it.

00:47:16.880 It doesn't seem.

00:47:17.880 You seem upset by it.

00:47:18.880 People get so upset with me about this.

00:47:19.880 That's interesting that you thought that I was upset.

00:47:21.880 I would just thought it was a resonant moment.

00:47:23.880 I noticed that people get very angry with me about this subject.

00:47:26.880 Do I seem angry?

00:47:27.880 No, but you do seem to be digging.

00:47:30.880 I mean, he is great.

00:47:32.880 We've got to get into some real stuff though, right?

00:47:35.880 We should.

00:47:36.880 Yeah.

00:47:37.880 Let me tell you another thing.

00:47:38.880 I don't promote it.

00:47:39.880 I don't believe that every man should go out and have a bunch of women.

00:47:42.880 Or have his wife have threesomes with his girlfriends.

00:47:44.880 girlfriends now is that something you do as well yeah of course i'm hiding nothing i refuse to i

00:47:52.160 refuse to refuse to he doesn't advocate it but something he does do as i say not as i do oh god

00:48:00.260 at least he's at least he's honest about it i just found it funny yeah everyone's honest about it

00:48:04.580 that's that's the fun thing about it he's honest about it but it's the fact that like he's saying

00:48:08.140 i'm not advocating it but when he's confronted about it yeah of course i do of course no when

00:48:12.300 he's confronted and it's not even confrontational he's just being asked a basic question about it

00:48:16.720 he's like oh is that what you do why do you do that and he goes ah stings her like he thought

00:48:20.860 like i'm top dog right now i'm so cool and alpha and he just gets like laughed in his face that's

00:48:27.320 quite funny that was a bit weird because uh this guy justin waller comes off very insecure in this

00:48:32.660 documentary because he comes in with a lamborghini he exits the lamborghini and he tells him that's

00:48:38.580 not success people think that's okay just dude it's like he's giving own it it's a lamborghini

00:48:44.080 he's like giving you a free life coaching session as soon as he gets out

00:48:47.640 i like lamborghini just it is a sign of success i don't know i think lambo's a

00:48:55.480 pretty generic shit to be honest yeah right okay i've seen her own an old corolla oh wait i do

00:49:00.740 let's go to my own games now this was one of the this was a very funny clip here because there is

00:49:09.200 a there is a kind of drama afterwards that didn't exist with sneaker for instance we'll all talk a

00:49:15.100 bit about sneaker later but there wasn't any bad blood with sneaker there well we'll talk about it

00:49:20.780 but you don't know sneaker no man yeah i'm impressed you've managed to avoid it fair play

00:49:27.180 you're a dinosaur good that means that's actually okay so he went i don't even know how much older

00:49:37.660 he went to the fresh and fit podcast by myron gains also known as amru food and what was

00:49:44.700 really funny here is just he started talking to the wife of uh myron gains uh and he had one yeah

00:49:51.580 and uh now he doesn't uh yeah but they were talking about again the one-sided monogamy

00:49:59.180 but i couldn't i couldn't find it on the clip and actually i won't show it because

00:50:04.140 it's the netflix thing about that document that i mean it's gonna be very funny some people on

00:50:08.460 the internet want to talk about like third world coded behavior yeah it's kind of like my own myron

00:50:13.420 gains i dismiss most of the things that they say is that because it's just like if you're not a

00:50:17.500 massive zionist they'll call you third world world coded this is actual like third world coded

00:50:23.420 behavior right but what was interesting is that the the lady that came in that was presented as

00:50:28.700 the you know wife or but they weren't married i think the the girlfriend of marin gains she said

00:50:36.460 to louis through that he's different on camera and off camera it's like all this is an act right and

00:50:42.780 he was showing lots of the people who were there basically they are trying to take advantage of

00:50:47.340 each other for clout on the podcast they're just you know just trashing each other to right become

00:50:53.980 famous and uh they they had the he started poking a bit digging if you'd like about how she feels

00:51:01.820 about the one-sided monogamy thing and she said we'll cross that bridge when we get there they

00:51:07.020 were a bit defensive there now um they've got they've separated don't know if the documentary

00:51:15.020 has something to do with it myron games says afterwards that um he tried to get this part

00:51:24.060 deleted and look at this he has a dog here a very girly dog

00:51:34.300 yeah anyway and he was saying basically that he was um he was a victim of bad editing

00:51:40.860 watching the the clips i don't see that much of an issue but the most

00:51:47.020 important thing is that it does come across as an act to a very large extent well yeah well

00:51:54.060 that's funny like we go back to that that clip again hold on like uh was it why did you edit

00:52:00.240 out the context was it because my ex accepted my one-way polygamous relationship so i mean it's an

00:52:07.940 x so probably didn't did it and here he completely lost it you can see that he's wearing a tie and

00:52:15.700 it's just just can't see i just can't see him in this outfit it just just doesn't fit

00:52:22.260 he he crushed a bit with him and then he went with he talked to sneaker he said that uh he

00:52:29.580 he was talking to sneaker he was saying he's this the platform they started talking about uh cabals

00:52:35.680 of uh devil worshippers uh running the world he sneaker was saying that he thinks that this is

00:52:44.000 what happens he was telling him that i think that you go a bit off the deep end but there

00:52:51.120 there were i don't think there was much blood there and also bad blood there and also sneaker

00:52:56.800 there just goes and says that he didn't feel like it was any kind of where was that yeah he didn't

00:53:03.200 feel that there was any massive heat piece against him well the annoying the annoying thing is for a

00:53:09.840 lot of these manosphere guys is some of the stuff that they talk about not all but some of the stuff

00:53:14.940 that they talk about is legitimate and are problems that you can see with politics right now mainly

00:53:21.160 because a lot of them just crib some of nick fuentes's better takes as much as critical as i

00:53:26.920 am of fuentes a lot of the time he talks about true stuff the problem is it gets dragged into

00:53:32.540 all of this drama that these people live off and at the same time can really give it the air of

00:53:39.660 clownishness so it makes it very very easy for people to dismiss uh some of the talking points

00:53:46.620 when it is associated with clowns like sneaker with clowns like myron gains who are just

00:53:52.300 unserious people yeah and one thing to to end on about the documentary is that then he went to

00:54:01.980 to hs tiki-toki's house with his mother and they started uh they started talking about

00:54:08.940 things and then he started he started challenging theroux says that you i'm free because you can't

00:54:14.620 say there's genocide in gaza theroux wasn't saying anything about it and there he was

00:54:21.100 tiki-toki was saying basically these are your pay masters and you are you are not free i'm free

00:54:28.540 that's on the final part of the documentary and also i want to end with the other bit is that

00:54:36.140 again i think if you look at it in terms of an expose of some ridiculous clowns who are grifting

00:54:44.060 and taking advantage of grievances of men,

00:54:49.580 some of which are legitimate,

00:54:52.380 I think it's a good way to look at it.

00:54:55.020 And you can start, you can profit from it.

00:54:58.840 You can start noticing patterns a bit better,

00:55:01.620 patterns of behavior in the influencers

00:55:03.620 that more and more people are listening to.

00:55:07.480 But I think when it comes to the framing,

00:55:09.520 there are massive problems from several sides.

00:55:12.260 lots of politicians are trying to make it a much bigger deal than it is lots of journalists want

00:55:19.680 to write articles they're trying to scare monger about these influencers it's a much smaller thing

00:55:26.680 than than they are suggesting they're trying to you know to scare people off in order to

00:55:32.360 in order to justify writing articles and also there were just really vague allegations that

00:55:38.920 were constantly being made within the documentary to tie several of these figures to trump

00:55:46.260 especially uh which is especially weird given the fact that people like snickle

00:55:51.500 are very much against trump in several respects lately just right you know what annoys me about

00:55:57.280 this when we've got members of parliament uh forming policy choices out of bloody documentaries

00:56:03.740 it just goes to show how absolutely abysmal and woeful our political class is here

00:56:09.600 in great britain absolutely that's the broader problem with it is that yes the documentary

00:56:15.380 states that it's looking at this very small subsection of the manosphere who are basically

00:56:19.760 self-admitted grifters whereas these mps that look at it and want to formulate policy off the

00:56:24.780 back of it will just turn it into more policy against men there are a few rumble rants would

00:56:32.940 you like to read them or shall i yeah well sigil stone said bad movies started on may 19th 1999

00:56:39.180 no that's when the greatest cinematic saga of all time began actually was it lord of the no that was

00:56:47.020 2001 uh yes that was 2001 one of the two greatest cinematic sagas of all time random what's your

00:56:54.540 other one well the prequels obviously uh uh the random name said harry was harry is retroactively

00:57:01.120 justifying the bullying with his

00:57:02.900 Zoom-y speech. I completely

00:57:05.060 agree with the bullying

00:57:06.980 for Zoom speak.

00:57:08.660 Random name sent a few in. Nate, I was told

00:57:11.120 if I followed Tate's courses, I'd

00:57:13.220 become a loser just like him.

00:57:15.180 Have I been bamboozled? My cortisol

00:57:17.280 won't ever recover.

00:57:19.540 Tragic, man. Tragic.

00:57:21.320 And you can read the next two.

00:57:23.080 Yeah, but Nate...

00:57:25.440 Okay, done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:26.840 Justin Waller.

00:57:28.140 That's a random name, says this Justin Waller guy

00:57:30.820 is a total clown there's a clip of the documentary where his wife says they're married and he replies

00:57:35.780 with not legally the cringe was so intense i had to wear a hazmat suit that was very cringe because

00:57:43.240 yeah yeah because um he made it all about himself they were talking there and uh and he chimed in

00:57:52.520 and he said well yeah but if we separated i'd still be very happy because i i got so much out

00:57:59.100 this relationship that that's exactly roughly what he said that was the spirit of it that's

00:58:03.660 kind of like the bike cook me like oh well at least at least the thief is happier having my

00:58:08.900 bike than i am sad yeah and again that's a random name says myron is a closeted homo

00:58:14.500 lots of pics of myron in college being shirtless in bed hugging white men these men are polygamous

00:58:20.700 for sure just not with other women lol it's kind of the vibe you got from when like nick fuentes

00:58:26.800 and andrew tate and all of them went to the club together it came across like five or six gay guys

00:58:32.760 trying desperately to look straight it's just it was so hilarious because they were supposed to be

00:58:38.700 they were trying to market themselves as the the harbingers of white nationalism and almost

00:58:43.580 just one white guy yeah it's just just clavicular is the one white guy and he just like surrounded

00:58:50.300 by these other people he just looks like a kind of nerdy dweeb in those clips yeah i mean the the

00:58:56.240 Myron being probably gay reminds me as well.

00:58:58.520 Like, if you go back, you can find clips of, like, Tupac Shakur before he was famous,

00:59:04.460 basically being a gay theater kid in his high school.

00:59:07.980 I like how you know this.

00:59:09.340 Well, you see it go around.

00:59:10.500 How do you know this?

00:59:11.440 No, I even know that.

00:59:12.840 It's kind of like internet lore.

00:59:14.620 It's internet lore.

00:59:14.960 Random images have popped up.

00:59:16.440 He looks like a typical prison bitch.

00:59:18.740 Yeah.

00:59:19.120 The thing is, as well, there are actually quite a few books written about the fact that,

00:59:23.540 like the 90s late 80s and 90s hip-hop rap scene all those guys were gay and the rest of it was

00:59:31.340 just marketing and then they just leaned into the marketing and the image of it so hard that

00:59:36.340 they end up getting shot in gangbanging incidents not that kind of gangbang a different kind than

00:59:44.400 they were used to they were gang gangbang maxing yeah like the like the only one that i could think

00:59:50.700 of like who was properly legitimate like that was probably snoop dogg because he actually

00:59:55.660 was involved in a murder charge in the 90s and some drive-by shooting either way uh the music

01:00:01.860 industry as well as the tv industry and the movie do you think fake and gay shocking do you think

01:00:06.600 dmx was trying to warn us and whether who that 50 cent was uh legit he got shot in the face didn't

01:00:11.980 well yeah no i'm saying that a lot of these guys some of these guys were legit but a lot of them

01:00:16.340 were just like theater kids who'd been picked up by by p diddy to be honest

01:00:21.320 and picked up in more ways than one i have a theory that i'm working on that the lyrics in

01:00:28.400 weatherhood ad have to do with the warnings about diddy

01:00:32.900 i like reading them that way i mean maybe there's a lot of like there's a lot of messaging going on

01:00:41.240 underneath that either way so time to talk about uh the final segment that we have here which is

01:00:47.920 i'm going to talk about movies and why they all look terrible these days what the reasons are for

01:00:53.880 it and why nobody can agree on any one particular aspect of filmmaking that's changed to make films

01:01:00.120 look so terrible right now it's kind of a confluence of a lot of different factors also

01:01:05.640 perhaps we just don't have the talent anymore to make films look as good as they used to but

01:01:12.040 before we get into that come to the live show on the 11th of april between 7 and 10 in swindon

01:01:18.220 sorry to break it to you you're going to have to take some basic self-defense lessons before you

01:01:22.640 get here but it will be worth it because you'll get to see me carl everybody else maybe not

01:01:27.800 stelios we'll still we'll decide we'll see if he decides he can make it or not get to see a live

01:01:32.560 podcast live lads hour and you get to see me absolutely bodying carl benjamin on the greatness

01:01:38.980 of the star wars prequel trilogy so be there or be really gay and with that so one thing happened

01:01:47.160 over the weekend i don't know if you guys knew this right the oscars happened did you know this

01:01:52.140 no i heard about this so there's a few cringe things that happened with the oscars the first

01:01:58.460 of all being like there was one thing i know is one here's ryan coogler accepting what i don't

01:02:04.620 know why chris chris pine um is that captain america yeah i don't know why he's doing the

01:02:11.960 happy merchant meme i think that's very inappropriate maybe he's like i know you're

01:02:15.680 in hollywood bro but calm down calm it down with the anti-semitic remarks bro but ryan coogler

01:02:22.820 had braided into his hair a little guitar

01:02:25.020 because he accepted an award

01:02:27.280 over his film Sinners

01:02:28.980 which was about like

01:02:30.100 black people in the 20s making blues

01:02:32.960 music or something and then all the

01:02:35.020 white people are vampires or something

01:02:36.580 don't know, didn't watch it

01:02:38.760 it seemed like propaganda

01:02:39.900 so I wasn't really interested

01:02:42.860 the one interesting thing about it, I think it won

01:02:44.900 the best soundtrack and ironically enough

01:02:46.920 the soundtrack about a blues film for black

01:02:49.100 people was written by a Swedish bloke

01:02:51.280 called Ludwig

01:02:52.300 which is not a particularly black american name as far as i remember but i might be wrong there

01:02:58.900 but i just took a little scroll through all of this and i just looked at this and i was like

01:03:03.100 best picture here are the nominations begonia didn't watch it never heard of it f1 didn't

01:03:08.860 watch it never heard of it frankenstein i think that was a netflix del toro movie that's brilliant

01:03:13.780 i didn't watch it yeah no it's great it's genuinely worth worth time fair play didn't

01:03:18.260 watch it hamnet didn't watch it marty supreme didn't watch it one battle after another paul

01:03:24.040 thomas anderson normally a great filmmaker didn't watch it wasn't interested i've heard very

01:03:29.160 conflicted reports on whether it was propaganda or not some people are saying it's a political

01:03:33.340 satire others are saying it's literally anti for the movie wouldn't know didn't watch it secret

01:03:39.420 agent didn't watch it sentimental value didn't watch it sinners didn't watch it train dreams

01:03:44.860 didn't watch it and it goes on like that for basically every movie yeah i mean was nominated

01:03:50.460 this was just like not a good year for my interest in movies it was the same as last year to be fair

01:03:57.420 i mean it's the oscars year on year out is that it's they are irrelevant even though we're talking

01:04:03.020 about them which i know is a little bit you know contradictory but they are irrelevant because the

01:04:07.560 vast majority of movies that anyone has seen and anyone actually cares about they don't care as

01:04:12.640 the academy because the oscars and this is why when people say that there's a quota system there

01:04:18.060 is a quota system they're so stringent on who can be nominated now they they have a

01:04:24.240 racial quota system it's not just that like it's even we need a disabled person working behind the

01:04:30.240 scenes we need disabled people working in front of the camera and it's this literal exercise in

01:04:36.080 checking boxes so it waters down any level of creativity and what can be nominated so it ends

01:04:43.420 up being all everyone knows every single year what's probably going to get nominated and it's

01:04:48.660 always the same kind of garbage yeah i mean that's all true but just like here you go music original

01:04:55.120 score sinners one written by ludwig goransson yeah he's ironic yeah i find that very funny

01:05:03.660 but you know why has he won oscars before uh well it's just it's just because sinners was like

01:05:09.620 the black movie and the guy who won a muse uh won the uh oscar for original score for the black

01:05:15.600 movie about black blues music was like some ultra white swedish guy but yeah you know i i was and i

01:05:23.640 was considering like why i don't watch movies anymore and i see clips come out from like one

01:05:29.940 battle after another which won best picture i think paul thomas anderson won best director for

01:05:34.560 it as well and obviously this is a tiny clip this is not necessarily representative of the

01:05:39.660 whole film but i just watched this and i think i don't want to watch it you like black girls

01:05:45.860 sorry i want to leave the studio just can can we do this

01:05:59.940 cinematic perfection right there folks you know is your whole segment going to be

01:06:06.540 lips like this uh there's only one or two more there's there's only one or two more right but

01:06:12.040 in this i want you to notice something which is this new cinematic look that i'm going to be

01:06:18.240 discussing is already apparent right like this incredibly harsh blur on everything in the

01:06:25.860 background where like there's basically no set involved in movies anymore everything is just

01:06:32.480 like a mid or a close-up or a head and shoulders shot of some actor's face where they look really

01:06:38.460 clean they look very sterile the lighting is quite flat and the rest of it is just a big blur

01:06:45.120 in the background and there's no real big sets i mean i'm gonna disagree ever so slightly just

01:06:51.080 because a bit of bokeh what you're talking about is bokeh a bit of bokeh uh the the background

01:06:57.460 being blurred out yeah um can look incredibly aesthetic it can look very very beautiful but

01:07:03.400 like every other tool under a film filmmakers arsenal it should be used for specific moments

01:07:10.240 and specific times and places it should not be overused a lot of productions tv and film these

01:07:15.960 days basically may as well not even have backgrounds yeah because it because every

01:07:21.700 everything is blurred and this is something i'll get on to in a few minutes you also had the uh

01:07:26.080 cringe of the directors or creators of k-pop demon hunters seemingly forgetting that parasite won an

01:07:33.580 oscar for best picture which was a south korean film back in 2019 and for those of you who look

01:07:38.080 like me i'm so sorry that it took us so long to see us in a movie like this but it is here

01:07:45.260 Nobody has ever seen Asian people in an animated film ever before.

01:07:52.000 They're literally talking about an animated film and people looking like them.

01:07:55.280 You are so incredibly dumb.

01:07:57.140 Also, just look how solemn this guy is.

01:07:59.820 You live in a parallel world.

01:08:01.680 Mad.

01:08:02.300 This is why no one watches the Oscars and their ratings consistently go down year on year

01:08:07.020 because it's just filled with this crap.

01:08:08.120 Well, the interesting thing is the ratings reached an absolute nadir

01:08:14.860 in 2020 when it was like 10 million people watched i think this year they've uh over the

01:08:20.000 past few years it has the viewership has steadily been going up again obviously it's nowhere near

01:08:24.560 the peak of what it used to be but more people are interested in it again but i just but that

01:08:30.220 might be due to maybe demographic audiences in america are becoming more diverse and therefore

01:08:35.960 they're tuning in for these moments where somebody who isn't white can get up and go we did this for

01:08:40.700 all of you people who aren't white and look like they're not giving they're not a rewarding

01:08:45.220 performance they're rewarding no representation yeah but even this within those diverse demographic

01:08:52.020 audiences has caused some con controversy uh because some black twitter accounts with you

01:08:58.960 know 7.7 million views on this are saying that k-pop demon hunters borrowing from black culture

01:09:04.300 and then winning over black art is starting to unfortunately color my view of the film a little

01:09:08.580 bit let's like let's make uh let's be serious this isn't the best original song i'm not going

01:09:13.740 to play it it's probably copyright and also it's to be fair it's not a great song either way and

01:09:18.420 you know people are joking like the diversity is fighting the diversity is in fighting k-pop demon

01:09:23.020 hunters wins an award blacks let's make it about me that meme isn't it you get in there and you

01:09:29.260 make it about you every single time it's literally everything yeah downtown and people pointing out

01:09:35.100 that sinners is basically just like a race bait version of from dusk till dawn and managed to win

01:09:41.580 the best original screenplay as well was such a good movie i mean it's you know where have you

01:09:47.880 watched it oh of course i have you know the way there's the film uh the meme of the writer's

01:09:51.800 barely disguised fetish tarantino wasn't even trying to disguise it oh no in that film i'm

01:09:57.560 gonna i'm gonna cast myself as the guy who salma hayek shoves a foot in my mouth and pulls whiskey

01:10:04.420 down it i mean i mean he he got paid for it so who's the sucker here i mean you gotta respect

01:10:10.060 it into a certain degree i mean take some stones to just consistently do stuff like that

01:10:14.040 i mean yeah take some stones but either way my point is like i'm not interested in a lot of

01:10:20.460 these films that come out these days and i know very few people who tend to be interested in a

01:10:25.180 lot of these big blockbuster films that come out these days and the question is why why is that

01:10:30.800 And everybody seems to have a different answer.

01:10:34.040 Like Critical Drinker, for instance, from a more centre-right, anti-woke perspective,

01:10:39.360 is coming out and just saying that films are completely forgettable these days,

01:10:42.440 pointing out that even a huge tentpole film from seven years ago, like Avengers Endgame,

01:10:47.640 is not really memorable.

01:10:49.500 It made loads of money, the Avatar films that keep coming out make loads of money,

01:10:53.540 but there's nothing memorable about them when they come out anymore.

01:10:57.480 They're just a rote action movie, there's no memorable lines,

01:11:00.800 no memorable characters like a film like taxi driver which was you know probably comparatively

01:11:06.380 a tiny tiny budget yet so much of that film is memorable and yet these films which come out

01:11:12.220 which make huge amounts of money spend huge amounts of money to be successful and you don't

01:11:18.580 care they're done and they come out they're in cinemas for a couple of weeks and they're gone

01:11:22.620 forever and you never think about them again they don't have that same lasting power but then there's

01:11:28.380 also something that comes with that. Why are they not having the same impact? Is it just because

01:11:32.960 they're worse written? I would imagine that's a big part of it. But I would imagine that another

01:11:37.840 big part of it is the visuals of the films. This was a video that a few months ago was going around

01:11:43.240 for a long time asking the question why movies just don't feel real anymore. And immediately

01:11:48.980 you can see in this still image the contrast between them. On the left you have a guy with

01:11:54.080 these harsher shadows there seems to be a greater depth of color in his skin he's sweating and it

01:12:01.520 feels more real and less clinical than this image on the right now this is the thing that you may

01:12:07.420 notice people in movies don't sweat anywhere near as much as they used to seriously go back to any

01:12:13.880 film from the 1990s go back to the predator for instance everybody is sweating profusely in that

01:12:21.240 movie which makes you feel like you are watching a bunch of guys in the deep jungle you don't see

01:12:27.720 that you don't see much of that anymore you know i'll agree with you there i mean it's also a lot

01:12:32.160 of the stuff is just filmed on gigantic sound stages so when it says don't feel real they're

01:12:35.960 literally not real everything is just cgi in the background that's true there is that as well

01:12:42.060 there's people interacting with intangible nonsense on a screen it's literally not real

01:12:47.920 but yeah i mean the aesthetics side of it yeah for sure i mean you've got the film grain that's

01:12:51.480 been completely removed with digital so that matters um you've also got the uniqueness of

01:12:56.380 what lens choice cinematographers used to use so lenses are a big thing you know when you have like

01:13:02.940 an industry standard um lens most people just use it when you have a certain code as well in terms

01:13:10.620 of what to shoot in right so you've got certain um color profiles used by certain brands like

01:13:17.900 red for instance cinema cinema cameras it's it's like red log or what i can't remember it's called

01:13:23.240 but like it's just a certain file with a certain color profile so everything will have a certain

01:13:29.600 element that looks the same whereas film will change you know the the color of the film will

01:13:36.740 change depending on how it's shot and the actual skill set of the cinematographer and also people

01:13:42.660 talk about how when you're developing the film it's producing light and color through a chemical

01:13:48.160 reaction rather than just a digital collection but i wouldn't necessarily say that it is just

01:13:53.540 film versus digital cameras no but there is a lot of it i mean you you can yeah no agreed so you can

01:14:00.080 edit stuff back in uh in post so you can edit noise like what you're seeing on uh the guy on

01:14:04.900 the left there is noise and you see it as well um you see it in like old films when you look at um

01:14:11.020 blacks i don't mean black people i mean blacks the colors black um you'll see this sort of

01:14:17.900 artifacting and noise and you can add that back now with digital but you've got to actively work

01:14:24.940 for it whereas previously it's just it's just a thing which happened with film yeah but you also

01:14:29.780 notice there's a lot more contrast and a lot of that will come down not just to the cameras and

01:14:34.780 lenses chosen but also the lighting and the way that they choose to light a lot of contrast comes

01:14:39.220 from shadows and a lot of people talk about how the way that films are lit these days remove a

01:14:45.180 lot of this contrast they're not as willing to go for these big washed out whites and darker blacks

01:14:52.060 everything is a much more uniform very flat color palette and flat lighting that you see here

01:14:59.240 which you can see in this comparison of Devil Wears Prada that also was going around from

01:15:05.420 2006 versus

01:15:07.520 2026 and whether people

01:15:09.720 would be able to name the exact reasons

01:15:11.540 why or not I think a lot of people

01:15:13.720 would say that the actual look

01:15:15.840 of these images on the left

01:15:17.220 is a lot more appealing than the look

01:15:19.740 of the images on the right

01:15:21.800 and a lot of this is colour grading as well

01:15:23.600 even in just this guy

01:15:25.360 what's his name? Stanley Tucci

01:15:27.120 yes in Stanley Tucci's face you can see this

01:15:29.660 kind of modern highlighting of the

01:15:31.620 orange versus the teal

01:15:33.120 which is kind of

01:15:34.720 industry shorthand that they go for nowadays where it's like people like this color palette

01:15:40.140 therefore we'll do it if we want to do a deeper red or really blown out harsh whites we won't

01:15:45.960 experiment as much with that anymore it's also due to industry standard practices a lot easier

01:15:51.580 and a lot quicker with the modern filmmaking to be able to set something up like this

01:15:56.380 which looks good enough it's funny be adjusted in post yeah it's funny to be honest because

01:16:02.480 with the advent of modern cinema cameras you have the ability to get far richer colors

01:16:08.260 and yet they don't they don't which is massively comical and annoying but yeah there's this

01:16:14.920 comparison here using uh that was replying to it using the example of mad men which is

01:16:19.600 from series four supposedly the last series that they shot using 35 millimeter film so you can see

01:16:25.500 the noise the artifact yeah versus this from series five when they first started using digital

01:16:30.240 camera and there is definitely a massive difference. I don't know how representative

01:16:34.120 of each of these seasons these images are. Frankly I've never watched Mad Men

01:16:38.280 although I intend to at some point. I've heard it's very good. One of the other examples

01:16:42.360 I think using Mad Men as well was this and this is a huge

01:16:46.140 difference in lighting, not just digital versus film. This is a

01:16:50.040 scene from the first series set at night

01:16:53.320 and this is a scene from the final series set at night.

01:16:57.460 do you see what i'm seeing or not seeing which is that they lit the night scenes and this is a

01:17:06.040 problem with digital cameras what you're mentioning there has a greater range of colors and light that

01:17:11.080 it can capture and so instead of lighting night scenes they just go well the camera will just

01:17:16.040 catch it all anyway and so you end up with these scenes where it's like you can make out what's

01:17:21.580 happening you can see what's happening but there's no style to it there's no deep shadows there's no

01:17:26.120 harsh lighting people pointed out this meme in the replies here from the lord of the rings where

01:17:31.660 i don't know how true this is but it sounds true enough where they go like well where's all the

01:17:37.100 light from the night scenes coming from it's set at night isn't it shouldn't it be dark

01:17:40.380 and the guy who was setting up the light said well it's the same place that the music's coming from

01:17:44.620 because you know what like night in cinema should have a look to it that isn't just pitch blackness

01:17:51.660 this was the big problem compare the first series of game of thrones to the final series of game of

01:17:56.900 thrones the first series all the night scenes are lit and they look a lot better because of it

01:18:03.060 versus the final series where very notoriously you had the long night do you remember that episode

01:18:08.820 where everybody complained i cannot see a damn thing and their excuse from the filmmakers was

01:18:17.320 well we lit it to be seen on these incredibly high-tech rare to find in people's households

01:18:24.760 televisions that can show a greater range of dynamic light that's fantastic sounds like you've

01:18:31.420 been lazy it sounds like you just couldn't be bothered to light it properly because this takes

01:18:37.680 a hell of a lot more effort than it does pointing a camera that can already capture a load of light

01:18:42.920 and show the image well enough and it takes a lot more effort to do this than just point the

01:18:49.040 camera at a dark scene and go right we've done it and here you can see the big complaint that a lot

01:18:55.600 of people was having the thing that really sparked a lot of people talking about this was this new

01:18:59.480 wicked film which i didn't which i didn't watch but a lot of people were complaining just looks

01:19:04.140 fat sorry not fat flat and ugly and digital and lifeless compared to any film from the

01:19:12.820 past really when films used to look like films so again the question is why is it just the digital

01:19:19.760 well you mentioned the red cameras people pointed out that 15 years ago fincher filmed

01:19:25.000 leonardo dicaprio for a red camera test because fincher apparently loves using these red cameras

01:19:29.920 and that looks great yeah and it looks far more cinematic yeah that won't be straight out of the

01:19:37.600 box i'd imagine there'd be some good editing in there good color grading right like that matters

01:19:43.400 but yeah still though for a camera test it just goes to show along with these

01:19:48.640 sorry lens it's the amount of light that along with these other examples that a lot of the

01:19:53.840 earlier digital cinematography when mixed with normal what were normal filmmaking techniques

01:20:01.760 back in the day actually looks really good yeah yeah this stuff looks really good and you could

01:20:06.900 also use the example of say Breaking Bad versus Better Call Saul. Breaking Bad entirely filmed on

01:20:11.900 35mm, Better Call Saul entirely shot except for one scene on digital. Better Call Saul a lot of

01:20:20.340 people would argue actually looks better than Breaking Bad. It looks more cinematic but a lot

01:20:27.180 of films don't look like that these days and you can see the examples here. Obviously this is a

01:20:32.560 little collage but if you go forward you can see some examples of say barbie where there's this

01:20:39.100 new cinematic look where everything looks very clean and fancy and pristine but it doesn't look

01:20:46.680 cinematic anymore it doesn't look good anymore and the unfortunate thing for film is as a way

01:20:52.380 of socially engineering people it's been very very successful up until the past 10 or so years

01:20:58.440 and you can put that down to a lot of different reasons obviously the writing is horrible the

01:21:03.260 wokeness became massively overbearing too in your face but when you're talking about a medium a

01:21:09.800 visual audio medium like film as well you've got to understand that pure immersion is one of the

01:21:15.760 things that has made it so effective at making people passively accept the messages that are

01:21:21.960 coming to them because it feels real it feels like you're watching real people this no longer

01:21:30.260 looks real this looks fake this doesn't have the same kind of effect that it used to anymore when

01:21:40.680 you've got films that just look ugly compared to how they used to look i mean again this is uh

01:21:45.720 stills taken from the film super bad which was also shot on digital cameras but looks so much

01:21:52.960 more sharp and filmic than you get these days you can see the darker shadows and the greater

01:21:58.180 contrast and the full use of the set where you're showing off the set so it places these characters

01:22:03.740 in a real place as opposed to something like i don't know the rings of power which costs so much

01:22:10.380 money and yet looks terrible and then you see one of the reasons for this may be just that they are

01:22:16.420 so reliant on digital they're so reliant on effects shots these days that well by the time

01:22:24.260 you get from the filming process to the editing process you might have decided that the background

01:22:29.740 is completely different you might have decided that it was set here it was it's set here now

01:22:34.280 this was going to happen well actually we've decided this is going to happen they keep

01:22:38.280 tinkering with it over and over and over again i mean there are some there are some brilliant

01:22:42.840 filmmakers still out there i mean oh yes um regardless what you thought about anyone

01:22:47.560 watching thought about the film itself um the creator that was a film which was locked in

01:22:52.320 made for an incredibly cheap budget for what it is um it's like 80 million dollars which is for

01:22:57.500 what it is like entire loads of cgi stuff but it's a film that has a tangible effect to it

01:23:03.260 and the vfx look brilliant because it was all locked in whereas what you're you're saying is

01:23:08.920 completely true is a lot of things are reworked and worked and reworked right up until the wire

01:23:13.760 so again the intangible nonsense really sticks out because it's trying to go through a conveyor belt

01:23:19.840 one two three maybe even five times yeah and then just when you do eventually get to a film i mean

01:23:25.760 i mentioned end game i think uh in this video there's some examples given of like say ant-man

01:23:32.220 and the wasp where like when you do get when you do get a big background scene like there's

01:23:41.320 they use the example of avatar which looks pretty good versus just this yeah ant-man and the wasp

01:23:48.600 i think this is well that's just mush do you know what that reminds me of do you remember the music

01:23:53.560 video for in the end by lincoln park it's very much like that's what this reminds me of and it

01:23:58.880 just looks shit frankly and there's no way of drawing you in again it again i mean a great

01:24:06.280 comparison is to go back with cgi is to go back and look at pirates of the caribbean with um davy

01:24:13.400 jones and just look how good that is it is exceptionally good that cgi for davy jones

01:24:19.340 all the tentacles moving around just mind-blowing stuff very well planned yeah exactly that's one

01:24:23.940 of the reasons all the scenes that he's in is raining and wet because it takes away some of

01:24:28.740 that separation from the digital sheen that he would have had otherwise yeah whereas that man

01:24:32.840 and the wasp i mean that or whatever that movie was um that one just know from leaks and test

01:24:40.640 screening that was tested like a right up to like a week before its actual release because films are

01:24:46.600 distributed digitally now as well a literal usb drive they can make the changes right up until

01:24:52.480 the last minute and then just distribute it straight out to people so there's not the the

01:24:58.980 quality you know the the quality um process just doesn't have to be as tight as it used to be

01:25:06.120 which is another factor yeah and then when you talk about the digital distribution you get

01:25:10.560 studios like netflix distributors like netflix uh talking about just not just the actual

01:25:16.380 filmmaking but the writing and structure of the films as well completely changing for a

01:25:21.400 modern audiences, as was explained on the Joe Rogan show recently by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck.

01:25:27.920 Experience of watching at home, I think, you know, you're watching in a room, the lights are on,

01:25:32.280 other shit's going on, the kids are running around, the dogs are running around, whatever it is,

01:25:35.640 you know what I mean? It's just a very different level of attention that you're willing to,

01:25:40.380 or that you're able to give to it. And that has a big effect. And it also ends up having an effect

01:25:44.840 or is starting to have an effect on how you make movies. Like for instance, Netflix,

01:25:50.940 You know standard way to make an action movie that we learned was you know

01:25:55.400 You usually have like three set pieces one in the first act one in the second one in the third and you know

01:26:00.500 You kind of they kind of ramp up and the big one with all the explosions and you spend most of your money on that one in the third act

01:26:05.400 That's your kind of finale

01:26:07.400 And now they're you know

01:26:08.740 They're like can we get a big one in the first five minutes to get some but you know, we want people to stay yeah

01:26:14.200 tuned in and can and you know, it wouldn't be terrible if you

01:26:17.820 you reiterated the plot three or four times in the dialogue because people are on their phones while

01:26:23.360 they're watching you know what i mean and so then it's going to really start to infringe on

01:26:28.040 creatively how we're telling the story yeah so while there's not necessarily one answer for why

01:26:36.400 people don't enjoy films the same way that they used to and why they don't look very good

01:26:40.700 anymore this does seem to just be where the film industry is now this is just the reality of it

01:26:46.620 and that's why I and many other people like me

01:26:50.280 just aren't interested in many films that are being made these days

01:26:53.880 especially not a load of Oscars sludge

01:26:55.960 do we have any video comments?

01:27:04.560 one

01:27:05.200 lovely

01:27:06.900 have we got audio for this?

01:27:15.100 After talking about Star Wars again, I found myself thinking about the old series with the Yuzavong who come in from outside the galaxy and are a barbarian race that basically worships pain and torment.

01:27:27.520 There's even this collaborationist fifth column called the Peace Brigade who are always going that it's our fault the Vong want to kill us and we just have to, you know, give more concessions and then they'll coexist with us.

01:27:38.340 this is despite the fact the new republic keeps making ceasefires and you know concessions to

01:27:43.240 them anyway and then they're immediately broken because the vong see no reason to honor such

01:27:47.440 agreements no parallels in real life that doesn't sound like anything i'd recognize at all i'll read

01:27:54.340 through some of the uh rumble rants as well cmc revy says what i've read online is that a lot of

01:28:00.140 filmmakers are making their films netflix compatible color and background so that's why

01:28:04.020 movies look so similar would not be surprised if that's the truth at all especially given what

01:28:08.300 showed at the end with matt damon sigil stone they use orange and teal so much because digital

01:28:12.740 cameras wash out all the color orange and teal are as opposite as you can get on the color wheel

01:28:17.060 so it makes re-added colors pop that is true they they can wash out color but that's a choice because

01:28:23.960 like they also have the ability to capture all the colors yeah they have the choice as we've seen

01:28:27.780 with some of the older digital stuff they have the they have the ability to look gorgeous i mean

01:28:31.620 david finch's early digital work was fantastic fictagious i've written a horror script called

01:28:37.240 cane wood that i would class as original set in the wood just looking for investors to get it

01:28:41.340 produced to support indie movies well get in touch with fictages if you're interested in that

01:28:44.960 marked ashamed happy saint patrick's day happy saint patrick's day to you too that's a random

01:28:50.560 name do you love black girls me lol lamow uh lotus seat is a far more diverse than hollywood

01:28:58.940 they have their disabled working in front of the cameras why would you say that about poor nate

01:29:03.660 uh and object door a lot of rap drama from the 90s was the former gangbangers picking

01:29:10.760 on the former drama kids oh and also imagine being will smith and getting unironically

01:29:16.260 mogged by effing twink tupac being married to jada should be a human rights violation let's go

01:29:22.780 through a few of the website comments quickly as well do you want to go through some of yours nate

01:29:27.160 i'll uh scroll down for you yeah uh what's this michael joe bear was uh contributing african

01:29:33.120 what's that lol uh dirty belter says would you guys be interested in inviting miss parker on to

01:29:39.540 discuss the growing ethnic debate i think that may be productive and it would be good to illustrate

01:29:43.680 the growing rift between center right and right uh brackets logical tribe and physiological tribe

01:29:48.680 thought um i'd be interested in having her on to discuss it well same all that i guess i mean i

01:29:55.640 think i think it would only be fair to yeah sure to say it's a logical tribe and then the

01:30:00.100 physiological tribe well one is just reality and the other is feelings it's not logical

01:30:04.800 one's been determined by abstract rationality whereas the other one has been um determined

01:30:10.480 more by biological reality yeah yeah i mean yeah sure um i don't i don't disagree uh fuzzy toaster

01:30:17.600 says eastern european viking a yeah i could see that uh wandering around a blasted oblast

01:30:24.840 a blast with a dozen disheveled raiders on your way to do some pillaging not that i can speak i'm

01:30:30.560 so irish peasant i look like horde potatoes and have two dozen children take pride in that my

01:30:37.320 legend do you want to read through some yeah john v says good morning lads yeah tate waller and

01:30:42.980 fresh and fit are probably the worst of the manosphere and an anomaly in that is pearl

01:30:48.100 a woman in the manosphere who claims to care about men but is really just exploiting them

01:30:53.580 she's awful yeah she's i will see it's horrendous did you see those clips from her debate with

01:31:00.180 anna kasparian where she just like kept no ching out no no i don't watch i don't i don't watch her

01:31:05.380 the only thing out and just like not saying anything the only thing from her i've seen is

01:31:10.320 when she was um ranting against sarah stock when uh you know she was pulling the trad thing and

01:31:17.360 then she was

01:31:18.160 George Hap

01:31:23.340 says from the same platform which

01:31:25.400 gave you adolescents demonizing

01:31:27.200 white English boys comes another propaganda

01:31:29.540 piece cherry picking

01:31:30.680 some clown influencers who have next

01:31:33.300 to nothing to do with men's

01:31:35.300 issues well told you

01:31:37.180 how I think it's

01:31:39.160 a good way of watching it

01:31:40.740 that's a random name honestly I have a hard time

01:31:43.460 seeing who these influencers

01:31:44.980 appeal to even as a

01:31:47.080 teenager i remember looking at people like tato mr ticky-tocky and cringing lol

01:31:53.720 i like first keeper orland asking lotus eaters cooking hour with stelios when

01:31:59.120 it's gonna confuse the algorithm i think it would be a boon i think it would be a boon

01:32:05.960 right and john v says uh justin waller's problem is that he claims all men are cheating but they

01:32:13.300 don't admit it to their wives and he's a better man because he's honest about it lol just seems

01:32:18.580 so insecure it's like he knows he has flaws but doesn't want to admit it so he hides behind the

01:32:24.040 fact that he's a man and that's just how men are he's basically throwing old men under the bus

01:32:29.100 to justify his own bad behavior don't know lads i'm not even a man and this upsets me

01:32:35.120 you guys must be fuming i've never really interacted with this stuff before but yeah

01:32:40.240 all these people just come across as kind of insecure clowns they're embarrassing i'll uh

01:32:45.800 read through some of mine uh the actors no longer sweat because reptiles don't sweat harry

01:32:50.680 that's true that's true sophie live movies are terrible because they stopped hiring based on

01:32:56.540 merit and purely hire based on nepotism we have the talent for all the arts just look at the

01:33:01.840 internet but hollywood refuses to hire them and rather tries to kill competing talent rather than

01:33:06.680 hire them dirty belter there have been so many bad movies that i don't trust at all that one will

01:33:11.100 be good until i've heard enough recommendations by which time it's already out of the cinema

01:33:14.800 it's in part a reputation problem i don't feel like the odds are in my favor when i go to the

01:33:18.540 cinema the only movie that looks good this year is the backrooms there's a backrooms movie made

01:33:23.660 by cane pixels who made the backrooms youtube videos and produced by a24 that i mean that

01:33:29.120 sounds interesting uh that sounds interesting but yeah i i operate on a similar thing to you like

01:33:33.300 if a film gets recommended then i'll maybe watch it and jan javi usually miss oscar nominated

01:33:39.300 movies mostly because i've never even heard of them but i actually watched marty supreme which

01:33:43.040 was very good sinners was good but not amazing and timothy chalamet was definitely robbed of the

01:33:47.360 oscars but i feel like that award is just not big that big of a deal anymore i just uh saw a clip

01:33:53.560 from him falling off the stairs wait who oh what oh timothy chalamet yeah that was hilarious

01:34:01.060 timothy chalamet i don't know much about him so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna laugh he got

01:34:07.620 stair-mogged cortisol spiked and then he broke his neck and on that that's all we've got time

01:34:14.600 for folks so thank you very much for watching this episode join us again tomorrow and until then

01:34:20.420 take care oh yeah also brokonomics watch brokonomics is live in 25 minutes do it or

01:34:28.740 else Dan will call you names probably. Bye.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 17, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1376

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