The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1377

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1377. It is the 18th of March

00:00:07.260 year of our Lord 2026 and I'm joined by Bo, special guest Tim Davies. Thank you very much

00:00:13.400 for coming in. Thank you. Yes and today we're going to be talking all about the Oscars. Who's

00:00:19.500 in, who's out? No only joking, nobody watched it. I didn't. You didn't brief me on that. I have no

00:00:26.440 idea yeah no interested in actors i'm afraid no just stirred you up no actually we're going to be

00:00:31.080 talking um i'm going to track down a pilot and ask them uh about uh air operations in iran if

00:00:36.880 that has to be a thing um a real life pilot an actual pilot a real life somebody actually knows

00:00:42.300 about stuff yes really yes maybe you find such a man exactly we will track one down um you're

00:00:50.080 going to tell us about uk military strength i'd imagine that's going to be a very short segment

00:00:53.780 Yeah, a quick seven seconds, I should cover that, yeah, that's right.

00:00:57.560 Minimal, next segment.

00:00:58.880 Yeah, it's on.

00:00:59.700 Not much, on.

00:01:01.060 And you got Joe's Kent resignation, haven't you?

00:01:04.200 Yeah, the US counterintelligence fella who handed his notice in.

00:01:09.460 Let's talk a bit about that.

00:01:11.100 It was eye-opening, that one.

00:01:13.200 It's all over the news today, right?

00:01:14.340 It's a big story today in the corporate mainstream media.

00:01:17.300 And of interest, I thought, so.

00:01:19.220 I think so, I think so, I agree.

00:01:20.780 and also let's announce

00:01:22.820 Breakfast with Bo

00:01:24.420 why would you not

00:01:26.060 want to have

00:01:26.520 Breakfast with Bo

00:01:27.260 yeah

00:01:27.760 why would you spend

00:01:28.620 your time with like

00:01:29.580 Jeremy Kyle

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00:01:30.940 that other dude

00:01:32.600 yes

00:01:33.340 what's his name

00:01:34.120 I don't even know

00:01:34.820 I watch you

00:01:35.440 I honestly watch you

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00:01:36.780 I just

00:01:37.080 watch you

00:01:38.680 it's the best

00:01:39.340 breakfast show right

00:01:40.040 it's the most

00:01:40.840 based breakfast show

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00:01:41.840 it really is

00:01:42.520 Breakfast with Bo

00:01:43.080 the Bo show

00:01:43.700 Lotus Eater's

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00:01:45.640 hashtag

00:01:46.260 the real LBC

00:01:47.100 watch it

00:01:48.640 it's great

00:01:50.040 I loved one time I was watching and some story came up

00:01:53.540 and all the mainstream media thought this was really important

00:01:56.520 and you just looked and said, yeah, I'm not interested,

00:01:59.080 I'm going to talk about that, move straight on.

00:02:00.740 I love that.

00:02:01.380 I do that quite a lot.

00:02:02.520 If anything's too sloppy, if it's too far into the realm of slop,

00:02:05.780 just move on, just forget it, I'm not interested.

00:02:07.560 Like the Oscars.

00:02:08.740 Yes, no one cares.

00:02:09.900 I'm not interested in some freaks that read out other people's lines.

00:02:14.060 It doesn't matter.

00:02:14.940 Yeah, it's of no interest.

00:02:16.720 Apparently the film's rubbish I read anyway, so.

00:02:18.640 Yeah, absolutely.

00:02:20.040 Right, so, oh, it's my one, isn't it?

00:02:25.200 Right, okay.

00:02:26.380 So, Tim, you've got an interesting background,

00:02:31.020 because am I right in thinking you were both a Navy pilot

00:02:33.580 and an RAF pilot?

00:02:35.140 I went through the Navy in training,

00:02:36.680 up until the very end of the training.

00:02:38.080 I was going to go on the Sea Harrier,

00:02:39.240 although my air combat wasn't that good,

00:02:40.620 so I was probably not going to be the best on the Sea Harrier,

00:02:43.080 but they decommissioned it.

00:02:45.060 Would have been now early 2000s somewhere, I guess,

00:02:47.500 And so they offered about nine of us, as opposed to going and retraining through helicopters.

00:02:52.380 It takes you about three or four years to get through fast check training.

00:02:54.800 The Air Force turned around and said, well, we've got massive gaps.

00:02:57.240 Do you want to come across and fly us?

00:02:58.640 So I transferred after five years into the Air Force and flew tornadoes with the Air Force.

00:03:03.840 So it's a bit worrying when they start the conversation is we've got a big shortage of pilots for some reason.

00:03:08.960 Yeah, it's a common thing, though.

00:03:10.180 And I was saying back in 2014 that this was going to happen.

00:03:12.700 And that was what now?

00:03:13.560 So how long is it?

00:03:14.080 It's 12 years ago now.

00:03:14.780 so we all say any pilot from that era would say exactly the same thing was going to happen you

00:03:18.460 could see it with the privatization of military flying training a lot of privatization was going

00:03:22.020 on we see now what's happening with dragon she could well she's gone to sea now but she couldn't

00:03:25.840 go to sea because because a lot of people were working a nine-to-five job at the dockyard um

00:03:30.080 so the issue being if you don't take defense seriously someone will come knocking on your

00:03:33.100 door the enemy gets a vote and unfortunately you're going to be embarrassed and that and that

00:03:36.180 was before the era of them calling white men useless yeah well i did a lot of content on this

00:03:41.420 absolutely right yeah so the white man let's be honest and it is the white man overwhelmingly the

00:03:47.020 white british man is their core demographic has been for years of course it has they don't want

00:03:50.960 them well so that came out of an office somewhere with an email and i think the great thing about

00:03:56.840 that was it someone had said what everyone was thinking so if you want to talk about diversity

00:04:02.400 and things like this and the damage it's done to the military in fact i heard ed stringer talking

00:04:06.200 on Winston Marshall's podcast the other day,

00:04:09.140 an eloquent man, an air marshal,

00:04:10.880 who I'd never met before,

00:04:12.220 but he also attacked the DEI thing

00:04:14.600 when I was attacking it.

00:04:15.840 Neither of us ever spoke together, ever.

00:04:17.500 Okay, never.

00:04:18.040 But I remember thinking,

00:04:19.360 well, he's an air marshal saying the same thing as me.

00:04:21.300 This was after I launched out about DEI.

00:04:23.440 But it did huge damage.

00:04:24.640 Absolutely right.

00:04:25.380 Because the minorities weren't joining.

00:04:27.380 And we can talk about the Muslim strength

00:04:29.380 versus the Jewish strength in the military if you want.

00:04:31.440 The white guys were joining

00:04:32.540 and the white girls were joining,

00:04:34.220 but the military was going into Nando's,

00:04:35.960 literally i'm not joking when i say this they went into nando's and they were picking black kids and

00:04:41.160 they were saying have you thought about career in the military now why this is so damaging is because

00:04:45.140 those black kids had not thought of a career in the military i thought of a career in the military

00:04:48.280 since i was seven right i started building at school rulers on pens and flying them around

00:04:53.080 and landing on the desks you know building little paper airplanes i still remember the first thing

00:04:57.220 where i am with my father in northern france we bought like an airport and i built this little

00:05:01.760 airport together you know i'm saying it's that kind of thing right uh so from a young kid then

00:05:05.580 you start going to their training course you read all the stuff about the military and then when you

00:05:08.600 get to the interview strangely enough you know quite a lot and they can tell that you're enthusiastic

00:05:12.680 because flying training takes a long time to get through and people fail so you've got to have

00:05:15.800 requires a lot of commitment i'd imagine yeah and to be honest would i do i probably wouldn't do it

00:05:19.520 again knowing now what i what i knew then and how much effort it takes and and what happens when you

00:05:24.200 fail and and the continual anxiety a student lives even an instructor lives with that anxiety because

00:05:29.960 you're only as good as your next performance in the air everyone's watching you you're in a den

00:05:33.680 of lion on a squadron everyone's a lion um so everyone's looking for a weakness you know because

00:05:38.040 you want everyone to be strong so when you talk to young black kids in nando's do you want to join

00:05:41.700 the military they're like not particularly and you go well here these are the offers the money

00:05:45.180 i will the problem is they come in they don't know what to expect they don't like it they don't stay

00:05:49.520 very long and of course then you don't get the longevity of service that you would have got from

00:05:52.920 an ethnic british guy who thought about it from the age of seven so it was more damaging than

00:05:56.500 people realize oh i'm sure credibility was lost as well i think now what's happening with the

00:06:00.880 services they're talking about shortages in recruitment and massaging the figures and uh

00:06:05.800 of course we're now seeing the yeah well i do i do want to sort of pick on your expertise because

00:06:11.140 look we got the we got the incident in iran going on at the moment and okay maybe um you know trump

00:06:18.060 says it's going to be a short war and i think he's tried to call it off a couple of times he's

00:06:21.880 tried to delay a bit of win and so on but the iranians aren't cooperating so we have to at

00:06:25.860 Strange that.

00:06:26.720 The enemy doesn't cooperate.

00:06:28.260 It should do really.

00:06:30.340 But it is worth sort of testing sort of my sort of amateurish civilian assumptions on how this would work.

00:06:38.760 So I've got a whole bunch of questions for you about this kind of thing.

00:06:41.080 Can I quickly ask one?

00:06:42.580 I've had hours and hours chatting with Tim.

00:06:44.720 Check it out on lotuses.com.

00:06:45.780 One thing I never asked you before, and I just wondered, when you sort of the dream of flying a Harrier,

00:06:52.660 they said, no, come and fly tornadoes in the RAF.

00:06:54.760 did you had you had your heart set on the on the harrier okay there's just a tiny bit of interest

00:07:01.800 i've never actually asked you that before no i don't think i think people you never know about

00:07:05.780 the aircraft type before you're streamed onto it you hear things like for example you would have

00:07:10.280 thought the f-35 is the best aircraft to go onto and everyone wants to fly f-35 but the majority

00:07:14.520 of students coming out of valley want to fly typhoon harley dynamic it's operational you get

00:07:18.300 to fly it not just do simulators the f-35 is very sim heavy so what we think is a great airplane to

00:07:23.600 fly a lot of people the reality is not that so you see and the harrier was a complete bitch right

00:07:28.480 oh the harrier was really hard well i hadn't even thought of flying the harrier in the air force

00:07:32.480 of course because i was gonna fly the air further than harrier in the in the navy and the navy

00:07:36.880 squadrons these guys were legends their sleeves rolled up they're always walking to the jet with

00:07:40.380 a cigarette you know these guys were awesome you've got to be gashed to be good there was a

00:07:43.280 whole ethos about it uh and i really bought into that you know long sideburns down here you know

00:07:47.200 just to piss the air force off you know because we you know duty beard because the air force

00:07:50.440 weren't allowed beards, but we could wear beards.

00:07:52.240 So I loved it.

00:07:53.080 So going across to the Air Force,

00:07:55.680 it was something that most of us

00:07:56.760 didn't really want to do ever.

00:07:58.000 And the Tornado for me,

00:07:59.600 wasn't so much about the aircraft,

00:08:00.900 it was about flying somewhere

00:08:03.080 where we knew there was good flying,

00:08:04.340 so Scotland, in the valleys of Scotland.

00:08:06.120 And it was the most operational aircraft

00:08:08.340 that the Air Force has had in decades.

00:08:10.340 Everyone knows about the Tornado, GR4 this was,

00:08:12.040 not the F3.

00:08:13.020 The F3 didn't do a great deal,

00:08:14.720 it did some operational stuff in Iraq,

00:08:16.360 but the GR4 was where David Cameron would always say,

00:08:18.840 where are my GR4s?

00:08:20.440 So in that respect, it's more about, you know, where can I get a war?

00:08:24.460 How do I kill as many people as possible?

00:08:26.100 And that sounds awful, but you want war fighters to fight wars.

00:08:29.280 And I wanted to fight wars.

00:08:30.420 That's the whole point, ultimately, isn't it?

00:08:31.960 Yeah, yeah, strange that, isn't it?

00:08:33.400 I do have to quickly mention the Lotus Eaters live event,

00:08:36.000 so do go and check that out if you haven't bought your ticket yet.

00:08:38.180 That will be happening on the 11th of March.

00:08:40.740 Okay, so one of the things I wanted to, I mean, start off...

00:08:43.480 April, April.

00:08:44.700 April, yes, quite right, because that's not in the past.

00:08:48.700 um so this straight of hall moose is closed at the moment um now i understand that okay so you've

00:08:55.540 got shipping lanes i know i know the whole thing is about 21 miles wide or something like that 21

00:08:59.600 yeah that's right but the shipping lanes are only two miles wide and and the problem they've got

00:09:04.640 let's see if we can do measure distance on this submarine through there yeah it's quite shallow

00:09:09.620 though isn't it i've heard the whole persian gulf is really quite that's why the shipping lane is

00:09:13.600 quite quite narrow but the the drones and the missiles that can attack in the strait of hormuz

00:09:19.280 have have a range of about 300 kilometers so it's basically everything within that semicircle is a

00:09:24.820 potential firing site right um and that is an area larger than england so i mean i look at that and i

00:09:31.840 just think how the hell do you deal with that problem and really mountainous right yes so

00:09:37.920 so easy to hide stuff in it from the iranian point of view definitely yeah until the last second

00:09:43.380 quickly roll it out

00:09:44.720 fire your thing

00:09:45.360 well let's just say

00:09:46.380 it's fantastic for a start

00:09:47.500 from an Iranian point of view

00:09:49.240 this is exactly

00:09:50.100 what asymmetric warfare

00:09:50.880 is about

00:09:51.320 but as air operations

00:09:53.760 how do you even start

00:09:55.360 that problem

00:09:56.420 well you don't get into it

00:09:58.080 in the first place

00:09:58.680 let's be real

00:09:59.160 what you do is

00:10:01.180 there's conversations

00:10:02.040 there's dialogue

00:10:02.620 there's other aspects

00:10:04.340 of not allowing Iran

00:10:05.780 to become what Iran's become

00:10:06.980 else we've got to deal with it

00:10:08.320 and that's what Trump's

00:10:09.000 trying to say

00:10:09.360 I'm dealing with it now

00:10:10.200 I haven't got to deal with it later

00:10:11.100 however it could well be

00:10:12.960 forever war we know that um i think it's probably heavily israeli led you know there's probably a

00:10:17.800 way that israel has dragged america into this thing uh the problem that we've got is we're

00:10:22.380 launching 100 million pounds worth of f-35 or typhoon and we're firing 200 000 pounds worth

00:10:28.160 of amram to shoot down a drone costing 20 000 pounds and that's exactly what i would do if i

00:10:33.540 was iran and i would saturate there are there are train lines coming in from china into russia uh

00:10:40.320 They're building these drones, they're shipping them into Iran.

00:10:43.240 You've got to – see, this is the great thing about it.

00:10:45.140 If we go for the most bespoke Air Force military that we've done,

00:10:48.380 we've always tried to get the greatest product, whether it's Ajax

00:10:51.460 or whatever we're building, we want the best thing, and we change it.

00:10:55.280 I was a requirements manager in the military.

00:10:57.180 I was still flying jets, but my last job was to deal with the requirements as well.

00:11:01.220 People would try and change stuff all the time.

00:11:02.660 Every change, a million pound here, 500,000 there.

00:11:06.020 Ajax has something like 3,000 changes.

00:11:08.040 Ajax is the infantry fighting vehicle.

00:11:11.260 It's like a little light tank that weighs 40 tonnes,

00:11:14.120 so it's not light.

00:11:15.560 It's seven years over budget.

00:11:16.960 It cost £10 million each, and it was going to get scrapped.

00:11:19.720 They've managed to keep it in.

00:11:20.460 It had vibration issues for its crews.

00:11:22.540 That's the sort of thing that is being replaced

00:11:24.540 by a very lightweight drone.

00:11:25.820 So it goes around looking at reconnaissance on the battlefield.

00:11:27.900 So we tend to build things that one-on-one are exceptional.

00:11:31.020 Oh, very, very good.

00:11:31.820 What we actually end up against is not one-on-one.

00:11:34.420 It's one against 30, 50 drones.

00:11:36.840 Don't look at it from the wrong...

00:11:38.220 So if I was a politician, I'd say I want to build British jobs.

00:11:41.880 And that's important.

00:11:42.620 People need to get money, don't they?

00:11:44.200 When I was working in defence, I was getting paid like 100 grand or something.

00:11:47.020 It was a horrible job.

00:11:47.740 I don't want to do it again.

00:11:48.580 And I don't own that now.

00:11:49.520 And it's great.

00:11:50.080 But that money, other guys are earning the same amount.

00:11:52.840 They're saying, we're on a massive screw here.

00:11:54.100 It's brilliant.

00:11:54.820 Yeah, well, it is because you're going home, spending it on TVs and cars.

00:11:57.580 It's going back into the economy.

00:11:58.940 That's why the government pays that much money to people in defence.

00:12:01.080 But can I pin you down on this?

00:12:02.040 I mean, how does air operations solve this problem?

00:12:06.840 that you've got an area the size of England, bigger than England,

00:12:10.320 where firing sites could fire from.

00:12:13.680 Well, you don't solve it, do you?

00:12:15.340 Well, it's not obvious to me that you can,

00:12:16.960 but I thought I might be missing something.

00:12:18.200 Well, if it was solvable, you would have solved it.

00:12:21.200 Right.

00:12:21.800 You know what I mean?

00:12:22.520 The clue is in, yeah, you don't solve it.

00:12:25.240 Special forces are very good, of course,

00:12:27.320 at dealing with a lot of this stuff.

00:12:28.640 I know Israelis had a lot of...

00:12:30.540 But they're still going to need to know where to go.

00:12:32.380 Yeah, well, you can't solve it.

00:12:32.800 Because if I was the Iranians, what I'd be doing is,

00:12:34.820 that is a huge area.

00:12:35.760 I would be setting up things that look like launch sites

00:12:38.800 that cost me pennies all over the place

00:12:41.800 and then just saying, come on, bomb it.

00:12:43.480 So you would have thought we'd learn from Afghanistan,

00:12:45.140 which we didn't.

00:12:45.900 You can't win.

00:12:46.660 When I flew over Afghanistan,

00:12:48.000 and I was actually with the US Army on the ground,

00:12:49.940 but just doing VIP stuff for comms with various sack factions,

00:12:54.420 you see these valleys.

00:12:55.960 The thing about Afghan, very similar to Iran,

00:12:58.340 is that you can't conquer it

00:12:59.820 because most people don't come out of the valley.

00:13:01.640 So the communications don't really get to the next valley.

00:13:03.980 You know what I mean?

00:13:04.280 You can't say, by the way, you're defeated now

00:13:06.140 because they don't understand it

00:13:07.380 because they're in their valleys.

00:13:08.420 And the same thing in Iran.

00:13:09.860 It's disparate.

00:13:10.720 It's spread out.

00:13:11.900 The only thing that I could possibly think of

00:13:14.160 is the best I could do

00:13:16.260 is not actually disrupt any launch sites,

00:13:18.140 but just basically take out the key roads

00:13:20.040 in this whole area

00:13:20.860 and just make moving around it more difficult.

00:13:22.820 But that's a very partial solution.

00:13:25.100 What Iran did, though, with Khomeini's death

00:13:27.880 is they devolved responsibility, hadn't they,

00:13:30.420 to individual command units.

00:13:32.220 And a lot of the attacks,

00:13:33.200 when they happened on Dubai,

00:13:34.000 My brother lives in Dubai.

00:13:35.000 He's an airline mate there.

00:13:36.740 A lot of the attacks happening in Dubai,

00:13:38.560 not that he's told me this

00:13:39.400 because he wasn't even in Dubai when this happened.

00:13:40.920 He was down route with the jet.

00:13:43.660 When it happened, I think Iran was saying,

00:13:45.640 look, we have no control over people launching.

00:13:47.600 They actually apologized, didn't they,

00:13:48.740 to a lot of the other Arab nations.

00:13:50.540 They said, we're sorry about this now.

00:13:52.020 You know, a lot of this was devolved to our commanders.

00:13:54.500 We can't, and that's because they knew

00:13:55.820 they were going to cut their head off the snake.

00:13:57.700 And so they devolved all the responsibility

00:13:59.080 and they said, keep attacking, keep attacking.

00:14:00.720 Like the Japanese after Second World War.

00:14:02.220 There's always that Japanese guy, isn't there?

00:14:03.920 know 40 years later defending the japan right no one told him you know i mean the iranians did the

00:14:08.260 same thing um so this is persia i mean i would tell us these are intelligent people these are

00:14:13.080 war fighters right yeah i mean one thing i would say is it not possible though as big as that area

00:14:19.280 is a lot of it it's what it's like the zagros mountains there and like the gedrosian wastes

00:14:24.500 yeah uh i mean even going back to the age of alexander this is like a well-known landscape

00:14:29.780 well known yeah is it not possible given enough time and ordinance that israel and the united

00:14:37.720 states could take out every possible site that could launch i mean given enough you say impossible

00:14:45.000 and i would be inclined to agree with you but i feel like i feel like it's not a lot but presumably

00:14:50.220 a lot of them are very i mean there might be single use sites there might be mobile sites i

00:14:54.400 just just identifying them in the first place and the other thing i mean i i saw that um you know

00:15:00.440 and and you know i think we should probably expect this but russia is providing iranian

00:15:05.780 intelligence so if you know it it's not even like they need to rely on coastal spotting and radar

00:15:11.980 if they're getting real-time intelligence from the russians and chinese it just it just seems

00:15:17.420 like an incredibly difficult problem to solve well look what what you said is if you had enough

00:15:22.780 coordinates yeah of course if you had unlimited infinity fighters yeah of course we don't they do

00:15:27.620 everything has a cost that's all that's all militaries are is there a cost um and so what

00:15:32.060 you're looking at and also russia of course with what's happening in ukraine is interest is to

00:15:35.940 get us tied up somewhere else so and this is all this is all these players do and we don't look at

00:15:41.360 the enemies on the same level of us but they don't look at us they are intelligent people of course

00:15:45.320 they are um and they're gonna they're gonna tie us up for as long as possible whatever they can do

00:15:49.120 the other thing i was wondering about is okay so there's there's a whole bunch of air force bases

00:15:53.200 in the area i mean this map is showing ones that are being targeted by iran and so on

00:15:56.520 um practically when it comes to flying out of these bases i mean how how practical is that i

00:16:02.580 mean i don't know how how long it takes to cover that distance how long pilots are i'll tell you

00:16:06.360 right now i was based at al-ud down there in qatar um i flew out of al-ud back in 2007 something with

00:16:11.760 the big jet and it takes about an hour to get up to the border with a southern iraq there it'll take

00:16:15.840 another hour you put your fuel there another hour to get up to baghdad which baghdad's actually

00:16:19.420 reasonably um sort of southern is that it's about there where your cursor is if i mimic it's around

00:16:24.540 yeah so to run's a lot further well it depends where you're going and i mean yeah i mean to do

00:16:31.120 those kind of sorties you're you're on a multiple refueling remember people always look at the jets

00:16:35.340 when they're clean so without stores like yeah a fast jet could get there in two hours no no you're

00:16:39.080 hanging big missiles off these things you're hanging big bombs now if you carry what is the

00:16:43.640 range of a again what's it carrying right so the gr4 like a clean gr4 internal fuel only i'm

00:16:50.560 probably looking at an hour and a half reasonable to get up somewhere now need 100 fuel what from

00:16:55.260 from this air base up to turon oh if i was flying a clean that means nothing there's no stores on

00:17:00.240 this jet whatsoever i've probably got like an hour and a half maybe two hours i need to start

00:17:02.680 looking for fuel if i've got tanks on the jet i could probably fly that jet for maybe two hours

00:17:08.300 just over two hours and i need fuel and the reason i need fuel is because those fuel tanks weigh

00:17:12.340 something like the fuel in them weighs it also there's drag so now i've got drag as well i need

00:17:16.460 more power because the more drag and you get this issue where the more fuel you carry the more power

00:17:21.000 you need and the more fuel you need to use so it's not about carrying as much fuel as you want

00:17:25.360 presumably you don't what dan's asking an hour and a half two hours isn't enough to fly from

00:17:29.320 qatar to tehran and back not unless you refuel on the way right you would need to refuel you have to

00:17:35.040 refuel on the way so you've got to refuel yeah and again then you start looking out your fit what

00:17:39.760 weapons on my can but then presumably you're not going to fly just for the hell of it you're going

00:17:42.860 to fly to destroy something and that's going to add extra weight and drag as well well it's going

00:17:47.420 to act assets need to be put in place so you now need i'm a strike packers i need to be defended

00:17:51.240 so i need air assets there and then how how does that practically work because i mean there is

00:17:57.840 going to be some sort of air intercept even if it's at a basic level and i just kind of assumed

00:18:02.120 a fast jet is too fast to worry about that kind of stuff but refuelers presumably are quite slow

00:18:07.500 So how does it work actually maintaining an air operation

00:18:11.000 over hostile mountains?

00:18:13.300 Well, the first thing you do is you phone up every commander

00:18:15.080 of every surface-to-missile battalion that you can find in the country

00:18:18.320 and you tell them they're going to kill their kids in the morning

00:18:19.920 if they go to work.

00:18:20.960 So you start with that.

00:18:21.740 If you go to work in the morning, I'm going to kill your children.

00:18:24.000 Most of them don't turn up to work.

00:18:25.220 That's what we did in Iraq.

00:18:26.540 Phone them all up.

00:18:27.220 If you go to work in the morning, we're going to kill your family.

00:18:29.260 Most of them don't turn up to work.

00:18:30.460 So now you've got a very degraded surface-to-missile.

00:18:32.980 You think war's easy, it's not.

00:18:34.200 It's all quite nasty.

00:18:34.960 You think that would work with the Iranians?

00:18:36.140 Probably not. No, because no, no. I mean, I'm not saying it would. I'm saying what happened in Iraq and how we worked Iraq probably has developed quite a lot. I think Iran's very different. But again, genuinely, I don't know how they make up now, how they've devolved that responsibility. So you'll probably find no one's picking up phones. You know, no one knows who's in command right now.

00:18:56.080 if you are looking at targeted strikes up there you've got to get in first so you've got to degrade

00:19:01.060 the what we call the integrated air defense system or ground-based air defense system their network

00:19:06.620 of surface missile systems that can target your awax aircraft your electronic warfare aircraft

00:19:11.560 am i right in thinking the fast jets don't have to worry about that so much because they're so fast

00:19:15.820 no you still worry about a lot yeah so you've got to degrade it i mean i was an electronic warfare

00:19:19.260 specialist right in the military so i would brief my teams on the surface missile threats

00:19:24.420 the radars how we recognize and how we can defeat them you have systems such as the b2

00:19:29.180 some complicated aircraft that can fly a certain angle of approach the way they the way they fly

00:19:36.180 around these systems and can penetrate this airspace at cost so every flight of a b2 you've

00:19:41.980 got to have on the ground for servicing you know you don't deliver so much ordnance from that b2

00:19:47.420 may not be precision when you got airborne from the states to attack that system it may not be

00:19:51.480 there anymore may have moved it so there is complex um so what you're telling me is this is

00:19:56.640 also actually an incredibly tough nut to crack oh yeah i think so yeah this is why i mean in all

00:20:02.340 honesty i mean israel obviously got people on the inside and those people are able to say if you

00:20:07.960 target this it's a node of power we can drop a level and israel is very good at doing that israel

00:20:12.620 doesn't comply with international law um what are we going to do about it you know it doesn't matter

00:20:16.080 does it uh so they're very very good at doing this kind of stuff in fact when israel when i worked

00:20:20.360 with israelis in the past in america i can tell you this um one of the things the americans said

00:20:25.180 to us was because we're working with indians israelis uh this is on red flag going back in

00:20:30.140 the day and one of the things americans told us was uh they said just be careful of the people

00:20:34.680 on the exercise and i thought they meant you know where all the other nationalities germans the

00:20:38.760 french they didn't they meant the israelis the israelis will try and take every secret you have

00:20:42.380 the israelis will absolutely and they will use it they'll re-engineer it because they they're

00:20:47.420 fighting for their lives there they're surrounded aren't they and as far as they can see it they're

00:20:50.340 in total war the whole time and that's the difference between our defense budget and their

00:20:53.940 defense budget because everyone is behind their defense budget because they know if they don't

00:20:58.480 they're going to get killed they can see it every day october the 7th classic example

00:21:01.420 we we work we just try and be we try and be everything to everything another quick question

00:21:07.100 is we're kind of in this transitional state where we're still using fighters but drones are

00:21:12.620 obviously coming in much faster and drones can be anything from small little guided bombs to

00:21:17.040 things that resemble fighters yeah very much so yeah i mean how far along that transition are we

00:21:22.900 i mean is it still always very obvious when you're using a fighter as opposed to some of the

00:21:28.200 developing technology i mean where are we on that transition okay so i'm not working defense right

00:21:31.940 now i know a lot of guys that are and the drone technology is quite fast moving but we've kind

00:21:36.300 of been left in the lurch a bit it's not that china i think i was reading something about china

00:21:41.760 it's not that they're much cheaper to manufacture stuff it's just they can get all the materials

00:21:44.680 there and they can make it at scale we can't do that um and also we have this thing this legacy

00:21:49.920 thing in the uk i think the americans have it kind of as well that we need fighter jets like

00:21:54.340 it's all about fighter jets i think it's changing a little bit now with anduril is it in america

00:21:58.100 where they're making low-cost drones and munitions and things like this um palmer is the guy's name

00:22:03.480 i might be wrong there uh so we're starting to look most definitely that kind of stuff but the

00:22:07.580 problem is we wait for something to happen and then people say what about drones politicians

00:22:11.420 and be like we haven't got many drones we should make some drones i mean and then you find that

00:22:15.240 these guys have been hammering out drones for years and there's no competition now it's that

00:22:19.580 classic thing of quantity over quality yeah of course the americans have got something like

00:22:23.800 the f22 yeah pure quality or an half of them or something yeah right that's right yeah pure

00:22:29.640 absolute grade a quality you couldn't get a finer fantastic thing but there's not that many of them

00:22:37.340 in the scheme of things.

00:22:38.120 It sounds like we're behind

00:22:39.420 the innovation curve here.

00:22:40.360 And the Iranians have got, like,

00:22:42.680 drones that cost, what, a few grand,

00:22:44.640 and it's basically just a delta wing

00:22:47.000 with a tiny little prop at the back.

00:22:48.780 Anyone can make it.

00:22:49.700 It's super straightforward.

00:22:51.060 Ukraine is the same.

00:22:51.680 It's super straightforward.

00:22:53.160 Yeah.

00:22:54.220 We're kind of running out of time,

00:22:55.580 but there is one more question

00:22:56.580 I wanted to get in.

00:22:57.080 And actually,

00:22:57.620 maybe we should do a Brokonomics.

00:22:58.760 Well, my segment is fantastic to...

00:23:00.360 My segment and your segment

00:23:01.020 are similar on, I think, aren't they?

00:23:03.260 Well, yeah, I mean, yours is...

00:23:06.420 as you talk about state of the military strength of the military but i mean i know i mean i'd love

00:23:09.880 to do a brokonomics with you and get get further into this stuff but you know if i'm going to ask

00:23:13.340 one more question on this segment um i kind of want to ask about that you know that girl school

00:23:18.460 that got blown up yeah i think that was missiles it wasn't it wasn't pilots or anything like that

00:23:23.140 but at some point if this does go the distance if this doesn't get wrapped up in the next few days

00:23:29.220 and and you know they're going to run out of targets that they were they really wanted to

00:23:33.620 hit because if the targets they really wanted to hit they would have already hit by now

00:23:36.740 you're going to get into more situations and there must be situations where pilots

00:23:41.120 do something like blow up a girl's school or market or whatever it is so what i'm kind of

00:23:48.200 interested in is is what does a pilot actually know that they're going after do they have any

00:23:53.420 discretion when they get there if it doesn't look right and how do they deal with it afterwards if

00:23:57.560 it turns out that that was actually a horrendous target to have hit all right so one of my men

00:24:02.060 hit a square in a market town

00:24:05.180 where they were supposed to be,

00:24:06.600 he dropped in cloud,

00:24:07.740 which was fine.

00:24:08.620 It's a precision weapon,

00:24:09.320 but it killed a lot of women and kids.

00:24:10.760 And he was a young guy at the time

00:24:12.020 because when he had kids later on

00:24:13.680 and he realized that his kids

00:24:15.220 were very similar to the kids

00:24:16.460 that people never had

00:24:17.340 and it all started impacting him,

00:24:18.560 everything,

00:24:19.140 it started messing him up quite a lot.

00:24:21.060 The intel will really do a good job

00:24:23.500 at that intel.

00:24:24.160 They will really make sure

00:24:25.600 that what you're hitting

00:24:26.200 is a valid military target.

00:24:27.600 Well, clearly with the girls

00:24:28.260 calling Iran, they didn't.

00:24:29.340 By the time you get there,

00:24:30.660 things may have changed.

00:24:31.320 and sometimes things like that happen yeah um don't get me wrong these things do happen so

00:24:35.960 you may look at it it may you may think it's a valid military target uh all this stuff is done

00:24:40.600 you go off and you drop a bomb when it comes back and someone says they're kids you know they're

00:24:44.100 kids uh so what we normally do is go to the bar get smashed up you know um probably not fly a few

00:24:49.300 days uh it's a horrific thing to i mean i've never witnessed it on the squad and i've been on but

00:24:53.080 i know guys that where it's happened to were probably not as bad as that and as i said one

00:24:56.820 of my men did have this awful experience um war is war though don't get me wrong right so total war

00:25:02.360 some of these countries iran for example is thinking they're at total war they will do

00:25:06.520 whatever they possibly can to survive we're not at total war not we we might think we are but we're

00:25:11.040 not okay a nuclear threat for the future so but we're not doing things how much can you actually

00:25:15.920 see when you're coming in on a target i mean if if do you have the ability and the optics to look

00:25:20.500 at it and say well that looks like a school or a market town not really no for me it'll be if i'm

00:25:24.800 dropping say low level which is rare now i'll be down at 100 foot uh doing about nine miles a

00:25:30.160 minute so i probably got eyes on that target for two and a half three seconds and what i'm doing

00:25:35.360 is making sure the mark is in the correct place so i'd have done a lot of study on that target

00:25:39.240 this is a visual target now all right we can talk about high high pgms and everything else

00:25:43.920 so if i'm doing a low level one i'm probably being shot at okay else why is why am i going for the

00:25:48.400 target if it's not it's going to be well that was one of what the gr4 did right really low level

00:25:52.220 super low level strikes at night a lot of the time or in cloud so i can't see anything then

00:25:58.860 all right so i'm looking at a mark if i can make out the target and i would have briefed with my

00:26:03.260 crews and everything right i'm looking for a house building road there fine i got that backstop is a

00:26:07.680 town visual that and then my nav in the back weapons officer would be recommitting the mark

00:26:12.680 what we call it where he's just making sure or she's making sure the marks on the place on the

00:26:16.360 target if it's not i say i'm taking phase two take phase two just mark it commit the weapon

00:26:20.580 it's gone and now i'm fighting the bomb's gone i'm fighting my way out i'm probably going to

00:26:24.640 jettison stores and i'm fighting in i'm fighting out people don't understand sometimes like the

00:26:29.800 bomber pilot mentality it's not an airline pilot you know i'm at i'm at war and i'm fighting

00:26:34.420 everything i'm fighting there and once you send tornadoes to go to a target it's really hard to

00:26:38.920 call them back there's a lot of comms jamming out there you don't know you've got a lot of codes and

00:26:42.920 who's talking to you there's no real i've never really even known how someone would take me off

00:26:47.460 target like you go through a command set whatever from high level but yeah it's not really going to

00:26:53.480 happen so it's not like you're sitting at 20 000 feet just watching the target for for 20 minutes

00:26:57.960 waiting for the the green light there is close oh it looks a bit like a mosque or a school no it's

00:27:02.860 not it's nothing like that because not for the gr4 anyway well close air support for the gr over

00:27:06.800 afghanistan and iraq was a thing i did close air support over iraq i didn't have a drop there

00:27:10.960 not not on close air support and we sat there and you can look at the target you can look at the

00:27:14.880 fighting you can find the roads you can the guys on the ground will walk you in walk your eyes in

00:27:18.800 do you see the road i see the road to the west far up the road kilometer do you see the town i see

00:27:23.100 the town and they walk your eyes in to where the um where the threat is and then you can see that

00:27:27.760 but you you may just see fires and stuff you don't see little women running around a courtyard

00:27:33.140 and and even if even if you did you'd probably question it but the thing is there's a lot of

00:27:39.380 deception everything else as well the truth is that when someone tells you to drop a bomb on a

00:27:43.360 target you're a tool you're to be used by command it's like when you tell a submarine captain not

00:27:48.760 your call necessarily it's their call you know i'm not going to see a kid running across the road

00:27:53.540 when i'm strafing traffic i just i'm strafing armored vehicles and the kids running across

00:27:58.400 the road i'm not not even my mind isn't even on that my mind is how many of these can i kill and

00:28:03.280 i want to kill them all and i want to kill them quickly because i'm using fuel and people are

00:28:07.080 trying to kill me and i want to get out of there actually i'll tell you what one more very quick

00:28:09.900 question then i'll have to hand off but um there was that friendly fire incident early on in this

00:28:13.840 wasn't it was it a kuwaiti j a kuwaiti jet took out an american jet or something yeah the f-15s

00:28:19.060 were shut down by the f-18 how does a fuck up like that happen well i did a youtube thing on that

00:28:24.720 but i think and i think i called it right at the beginning because i looked at the smoke trails

00:28:27.580 and i thought that's a side one and that's not a patch you know the damage was on the rear

00:28:31.760 hemisphere and aircraft so the rear hemisphere is being hit the engines the hot spot heat seeking

00:28:35.840 missile not a patriot and then we can get complicated but a patriot would tend to lead

00:28:39.640 and hit the dynamic center of the center of mass so uh it would look like another aircraft shooting

00:28:44.060 down those aircraft but if you think about flying over the gulf region um there's a lot of uh sort

00:28:49.040 of haze in the air a lot of the time so visibility is actually quite a problem down there the sand

00:28:53.180 it's just a problem and i i think they've said this guy now was a sympathizer for iran and i

00:28:58.560 no one knows what's happening you know obfuscation of course so they're both explanations equally

00:29:02.560 likely that he could have been a sympathizer or he could have just got a genuine mistake well

00:29:06.180 yeah apparently i don't know you know how are we ever going to know because remember they said

00:29:11.960 initially it was patriot they knew straight away what happened so i just and i think he just went

00:29:16.360 up there and it seems like he shot down what he thought were either drones or he shot down

00:29:20.000 and your your audience will be in the in the thing going no he was definitely shot them down

00:29:24.320 on purpose you know but you don't know right nothing's really come out that i've read um but

00:29:28.800 it does seem that he he did shoot these things down on purpose and whether he thought they were

00:29:32.540 drones or not and it is easy to mistake that i know and you've done a full video on this yeah

00:29:36.580 i've done on my youtube channel yeah what's your youtube channel uh fast check performance

00:29:39.640 performance yeah come and watch all my stuff yeah yeah go and check that out heat seeker

00:29:45.040 pretty sophisticated for a bunch of half-assed mountain boys that's it i'll hand over to your

00:29:49.340 segment well okay so i'm just going to talk about the uh degradation of the british armed forces

00:29:57.240 You know what?

00:29:57.620 I'm not really talking about that.

00:29:58.760 I'd like to talk about the demographics

00:30:00.460 and I'd like to talk about

00:30:01.720 why we've been pushing diversity so much

00:30:03.840 on recruitment drives into the military

00:30:06.200 and what we're going to do in the future

00:30:07.220 and how we're actually going to recruit this.

00:30:08.680 So this is the paper from,

00:30:09.540 I think this was,

00:30:10.640 is this the 20,

00:30:11.280 oh, this is where we are now.

00:30:12.200 This is 2021, 72-5.

00:30:14.340 They're trying to lower the army down to this.

00:30:16.440 And I think,

00:30:17.520 and I've just got some links

00:30:18.440 we can just go through.

00:30:19.460 But again, the conversation's more really

00:30:21.060 about where we were and where we are now.

00:30:23.680 So if we were to rewind back to,

00:30:26.780 um 1998 um the crowd says beau selector craig davis seven days i joined the navy back then

00:30:34.000 in 98 and back in 98 we had a quite substantial military so when i was based out of uh plymouth

00:30:40.120 on a warship called hms boxer wrong london there is a picture around somewhere but don't worry about

00:30:44.440 it um we had about i think about 10 15 of these ships now all those type 22s are gone we've got

00:30:51.780 about seven frigates and about six destroyers and none of those remember only one destroyer

00:30:56.080 really can be put to sea at any one time the french are embarrassing us okay so the carriers

00:31:00.080 can't get put to sea so we've got this expensive navy the carriers need support don't they yeah

00:31:04.480 of course they need to go in a carrier air wing group so we need some of the carriers but not the

00:31:08.260 group well the issue being we could have either had personal demand the carriers or we could have

00:31:12.020 had the carriers and that was the decision that was taken quite a while ago and we decided that

00:31:16.080 we'd want the carriers thinking we'd always get the manpower but we never got the manpower and

00:31:20.120 now the armed forces the big takeaway from 98 when i joined to where we are today the forces

00:31:25.620 have been reduced by 40%.

00:31:27.480 72,000 troops.

00:31:30.660 Yeah.

00:31:30.960 That's barely sufficient

00:31:31.840 for whole defence,

00:31:32.920 let alone doing anything.

00:31:33.900 Is that the Army, Navy and RAF?

00:31:35.640 Oh, that's the Army in the 72-5.

00:31:38.960 So when I joined the Air Force,

00:31:41.420 it was about 50,000.

00:31:42.540 The Navy was 40,000.

00:31:44.000 Now they're both around about 30,000.

00:31:46.200 I think the Navy is like 27,500.

00:31:47.920 Because don't you for operations

00:31:48.800 need whatever you've deployed?

00:31:50.480 You need two and a half times

00:31:51.480 that for rotation and so on.

00:31:52.980 Yeah, they thought

00:31:53.500 they were going to do it though

00:31:54.280 through the reserve service.

00:31:55.620 and there's quite a lot of guys in the reserve and if people really want a purpose in life

00:31:59.060 go and join the reserves why not you know it's they're really good the reserves are really really

00:32:02.820 good but the the government really wants a massive reserve force but but this is this is barely

00:32:07.840 sufficient for keeping the small boats off the shore let alone yeah we're not doing that are we

00:32:11.940 when i was in afghan we had an army of a hundred thousand and we could only field they said we can

00:32:16.800 fill 10 000 from the army but the actual truth was when i was there i was doing the figures

00:32:21.160 it wasn't 10 000 from the army it was 10 000 i was an air force officer in iraq and they were

00:32:26.260 counting me as a one of the army 10 that they'd field it and next to me i was i was bunked up

00:32:31.120 with a navy guy not like bunked up you know i'm saying but the guy there was a submariner in the

00:32:35.600 same uh packing crate that i was living in and he was still counted as one of the 10 from the army

00:32:40.500 that they sent so and we never had it eight five was the maximum we had an afghan even though they

00:32:44.260 were counting 10 000 so we've never had it and that's the problem we've always done defense on

00:32:47.740 the cheap expensive in unit costs like ajax or f-35 of course it's expensive the the nuclear

00:32:54.100 deterrent the submarines each individual element very expensive but as a collective whole we've

00:32:58.620 neglected defense for this is like a box tick arm it's it's simply there to say that we've got one

00:33:03.820 but it i can't imagine what this is going to do so i mentioned ed stringer as the air marshal that

00:33:08.100 was on another podcast recently he talks about it being and i really like this term a bonsai

00:33:12.580 military so we used to have a big tree used to try and do everything okay we never knew when

00:33:16.940 things are going to happen he says we've got this bonsai and he's written strategic papers and he's

00:33:21.140 obviously quite an educated guy and uh you know fair play to him i like that term because what

00:33:25.060 it means is we've still got the quality just not much of it you know we've got a lot of quality

00:33:28.720 can't do much with it so when you put a submarine to sea the ship's company or the boat's company

00:33:33.660 on a submarine are exceptionally talented well drilled they're amazing but they're one boat

00:33:39.780 and yet we've got four bombers and most of them are parked up in faz lane getting you know getting

00:33:44.820 some work done to them that's the problem can i make a point though and it will sound like cope

00:33:49.940 and it is cope on some level however i feel like it's a valid point that historically i mean in

00:33:56.600 the last segment you said we're not at total war and we're not when you look at history it's often

00:34:02.640 if not always the case that you have a very very very small armed services until you actually badly

00:34:09.960 need it so i'm thinking of just before world war ii yeah yeah yeah just before world war one just

00:34:15.540 before the peninsula war against napoleon have a tiny little army and then we need yesterday a

00:34:21.920 much much bigger army and then you do it oh the d but we're not a total war with anyone no and so

00:34:28.500 as cope as it is as huffing copium as much as that is to say that to put that number we don't need

00:34:34.560 And at this moment, like a quarter of a million-man army,

00:34:38.860 if and when we do, we would then...

00:34:42.140 That assumes we have the luxury of being able to roll it out.

00:34:44.960 To put that number in perspective,

00:34:46.020 we've got four million Muslims in the country.

00:34:47.660 Let's decide that 10% of them decide that this country

00:34:51.100 needs to be an Islamic country tomorrow.

00:34:52.400 Well, it's even...

00:34:53.560 The army is outnumbered five to one.

00:34:55.920 It's a little bit worse than that, and I'll tell you why.

00:34:58.120 Because if we look at the amount of Jews in the military

00:35:00.540 versus the amount of Muslims in the military,

00:35:02.360 Jews outnumber per capita Muslims 5.7 times.

00:35:06.140 So there's 5.7 more Jews per capita than Muslims.

00:35:09.580 There's like, what, 300,000 of them?

00:35:12.220 250, 300.

00:35:13.820 But what I mean by that is Jews are more likely

00:35:16.540 to fight for the British military than Muslims.

00:35:18.500 Muslims will not fight.

00:35:20.000 If those numbers are right, very significantly more so.

00:35:23.140 Absolutely.

00:35:23.640 Well, didn't more Muslim people join ISIS

00:35:25.780 than were recruited for all our services?

00:35:28.240 They did.

00:35:28.840 So that's the thing we should be looking at.

00:35:30.440 Almost none.

00:35:31.000 Like we know that the Umar is more important to Muslims, it seems, than the country in which they live. These conversations are not being had. Are they having on my YouTube until it gets banned with its online safety act soon? Obviously the Islamophobia laws, which are the anti-Muslim hate laws. I'm not going to be able to get around that. I'm going to be taken down. You guys are in trouble. You know that already. You know what I'm saying? Speak to Carl about that. But the truth is we need to talk about it because we do have 6.5%. And that 6.5% 4 million Muslim figure was in 2021. That's when the census was, 2021.

00:35:59.900 So it's not that figure anymore.

00:36:01.740 It's not 6.5%.

00:36:02.760 Sorry, Dan, one quick one.

00:36:05.000 But yet they put out a recruitment video

00:36:07.480 with a guy getting his mat out to pray.

00:36:11.320 And not anymore they don't.

00:36:12.260 Now they need white guys to join.

00:36:13.600 They've stopped doing that.

00:36:14.660 Now you're going to die.

00:36:15.980 So what madness, what type of psychological malady

00:36:18.720 ever got us to a place where they put out

00:36:21.380 a recruitment video targeting directly Muslims,

00:36:24.720 that you'll be in a unit with a guy

00:36:26.300 and five times a day

00:36:28.780 I have to stop for prayer

00:36:29.500 we stopped for prayer now

00:36:30.460 didn't we

00:36:30.740 I think in

00:36:31.300 what was the thing I saw recently

00:36:32.440 the football match

00:36:33.080 there was a football match

00:36:33.740 where they stopped

00:36:34.500 after 12 minutes

00:36:35.420 to let the guys break

00:36:36.680 their fast

00:36:37.440 there were Muslim players

00:36:38.520 on the leads

00:36:38.980 was it recently

00:36:39.600 they stopped

00:36:40.420 they allowed the guys

00:36:41.160 to break their fast

00:36:42.080 what is going on

00:36:43.200 you see

00:36:43.960 I'm in a reverse of that

00:36:45.560 I'm like no you fit in

00:36:46.680 it's not the other

00:36:47.380 you know what I mean

00:36:47.880 we're all the same

00:36:48.460 you'll be writing history books

00:36:49.500 in this one day by the way

00:36:50.340 about this madness

00:36:51.460 and you'll be like

00:36:51.800 I lived through this

00:36:52.400 and your books would be amazing

00:36:53.200 and everyone's going to buy them

00:36:53.900 obviously

00:36:54.120 and you'll be writing stuff

00:36:55.200 about the economics

00:36:56.000 and I wanted to chat about that at some point,

00:36:57.900 about the value of this rate of immigration

00:37:00.080 and why we've got infinity immigrants

00:37:01.700 and what that's going to do to the country

00:37:03.800 because we know it's a loss at the moment.

00:37:05.260 And as it directly relates to this,

00:37:06.980 I mean, I don't know what the government target is

00:37:09.540 for the Islamic population of Britain,

00:37:11.080 but they're presumably targeting 50%

00:37:13.360 as fast as they can get there.

00:37:14.880 I don't know where that's the case.

00:37:16.200 It looks like it, isn't it?

00:37:17.220 Yeah, but how are you going to maintain a military

00:37:20.700 if half of your population is more likely

00:37:24.080 to join the enemy

00:37:25.180 than your own forces.

00:37:27.020 It's not,

00:37:27.480 and I'll be real with you now,

00:37:28.380 and people hate me

00:37:28.800 for saying this as well,

00:37:29.540 but as a fast jet mate

00:37:30.380 with women on fast jet squadrons,

00:37:32.500 women is the other thing

00:37:33.480 we need to think about.

00:37:34.620 Now, when Mike Wigston,

00:37:35.680 who I went up against,

00:37:36.500 he was my boss

00:37:37.100 back on 12 Squadron on Tornadoes,

00:37:38.500 and I really liked the guy.

00:37:39.760 He doesn't like me very much.

00:37:41.100 He met my wife recently in London

00:37:42.360 by accident at a train station.

00:37:43.780 Didn't want to speak to her.

00:37:45.960 He actually ran the Air Force,

00:37:47.340 Chief of Air Staff.

00:37:48.080 So I say he's a lovely bloke.

00:37:49.500 He did a lot of damage

00:37:50.300 to the Air Force though.

00:37:51.520 And he wanted 40%

00:37:53.560 uh women and 20 percent uh immigrants or 20 percent muslims i know 20 percent uh yeah it was

00:37:58.960 minorities you use the term minorities by 2030 that came from ben wallace and i argued with ben

00:38:04.040 wallace online about this before and ben was saying are you expecting me to make policy for

00:38:07.780 the military and i'm like yes defense secretary that'd be nice you know i mean that would be a

00:38:11.000 good thing that you could actually kind of have some direction there so of course huge amounts

00:38:14.120 if you have a military with 40 women in it you don't have a military or you do but you've got

00:38:19.120 to make it 1.4 times the current size, because women have different needs to men. Now, some men

00:38:25.980 are quite weak and fragile, we understand that, but women have to have children. So on a fast jet

00:38:29.780 squadron, if you put, well, here, just do the maths. If my army was entirely men, would it work? Yes.

00:38:34.800 If it was entirely women, would it work? Let's be realistic about it. You can't send an entire

00:38:39.160 army of women to war. It's not going to work. They can't carry the loads. They're not as capable

00:38:44.660 as men when it comes to the physical excesses demanded of a modern day conflict battlefield

00:38:49.120 you know we know that right so when we start saying that we can allow infinity women into

00:38:53.340 the military as well that is a problem let's be realistic about it because it's not all sitting

00:38:56.720 behind a computer pressing buttons it's a physical thing the stresses are high and when my women i

00:39:02.360 say my women the women on my squadrons when i was their flight commander and they were coming

00:39:06.180 through training sometimes they come in and you know what they say i can't fly today they've got

00:39:10.000 period paints and you know what we wear in fast jets we wear g pants and you know when they press

00:39:13.800 they press across the abdomen where's it painful for a woman in that exact location that's the

00:39:18.020 first time the women in their flying training have had to wear g-pants when they get to our

00:39:21.600 school on the hawk so of course we say don't fly we don't fly in that day or maybe the next day as

00:39:27.560 well you think about how that works in a squadron now when they start harmonizing on their menstrual

00:39:31.600 cycles i know no one likes to speak about it but it's important to speak about it when you start

00:39:34.980 talking about that's good intel for the enemy as well absolutely of course it is you know we know

00:39:39.080 that you know how heavy is your unit when it comes to women so what do they do they take birth

00:39:42.420 control. And this has another factor. A lot of them get, they split up with their boyfriends

00:39:46.920 because they meet their boyfriends when they're off birth control. And what we want when we're

00:39:50.620 off birth control, I'm sure you guys know, you want a rugged man. You want a guy to look after

00:39:54.380 you. When you're on birth control, you look for a more effeminate man. So when they go on this

00:39:58.120 birth control, their man all of a sudden is a toxic man, all this kind of stuff. And they tend

00:40:01.400 to separate. They tend to just drift apart from their guy or their alternative happens where

00:40:06.420 they're with someone they don't want to be with and they get someone, you know. So it is entirely

00:40:10.280 complicated and war needs to be as simple as possible there's two things i think is it not

00:40:16.700 right to say that you've got people that don't need any in the military all the all the wings

00:40:21.940 of the armed services some there's no real physical requirement something that does actually

00:40:26.960 just sit at a desk all day sure absolutely those people can be women i feel the same in the police

00:40:31.320 force those people can be women fine but as you say those actually do anything that's physically

00:40:36.800 demanding whether it's a fast jet pilot whether it's a royal marine that's got a lug got a got a

00:40:42.760 yomp a massively heavy bergen exactly that across dozens and dozens of miles but you damage a woman

00:40:49.220 you damage the men it's not it's not misogyny it's not sexism yeah exactly it's reality you

00:40:54.720 stop them having children because the stress is on the body so in the cockpit it's such a stressful

00:40:59.300 environment for these women going through flying training i'm sure when they get to the front line

00:41:02.320 they're a lot better uh my students had children when they got to the front line but again they're

00:41:06.680 on the front line we trained them for the best part of four and a half five years they have

00:41:10.160 children they're off for nine months i mean for the most part when they as soon as we find out

00:41:14.240 they're pregnant we can't put them in a jet again because they might lose the child so as soon as

00:41:17.540 they say a lot of them don't say they're pregnant for a while you know you never know and then of

00:41:20.920 course but a lot of them can't get pregnant because being in the cockpit forced oxygen

00:41:24.500 stress on the body the organs are moving around the lot of course they are we're compressing the

00:41:28.520 legs we're force feeding them air to compress the uh the the cavity between the lungs and the chest

00:41:33.560 to try and keep blood in their head,

00:41:34.580 especially on typhoon,

00:41:35.580 that's not a conducive environment

00:41:36.860 for someone to have a child.

00:41:38.080 Women cannot get pregnant

00:41:39.080 when they're doing that job.

00:41:40.640 Well, another clip I've seen,

00:41:41.760 it's got millions and millions of views,

00:41:43.420 is a US special forces,

00:41:45.660 I don't remember if it was Navy SEALs

00:41:46.860 or something like that.

00:41:47.780 And he said, what happens if you take a woman,

00:41:49.480 the strongest of women,

00:41:51.180 the most robust of women,

00:41:52.740 you give them a 150 pound pack

00:41:54.380 and tell them to march all day and all night.

00:41:57.200 What happens?

00:41:57.860 They crumple up.

00:41:59.080 They can't do it.

00:41:59.960 They can't do it.

00:42:01.240 But that's okay.

00:42:02.140 You put them behind a desk somewhere.

00:42:03.560 okay well women can do a lot i mean don't get me wrong but it's just the problem is is when someone

00:42:06.760 like ben wallace says i want 40 i know i know i want 40 women well but wait wait i argue with

00:42:13.580 you're crippling our ability to fight wars exactly that intentionally intention this is where the

00:42:18.040 traitorous behavior becomes this is where i talk about i'm not talking about my book but i talk

00:42:22.060 about these values that men especially british men need to have it's about integrity it's about

00:42:26.620 calling out this behavior this is traitorous behavior there's no two ways about it you're

00:42:31.360 weakening the country because you want to look good in front of people. This is what you're

00:42:35.460 doing. It should be, everyone's the same. If everyone's the same, why is diversity so good

00:42:39.600 then? If everyone's supposed to be equal, why is diversity so popular all of a sudden in the

00:42:43.820 military? Because if everyone was equal, you wouldn't need diversity. You wouldn't need any

00:42:46.920 diversity. We wouldn't need anything other than just a white dude from Portsmouth like myself.

00:42:51.600 Is there any pushback from the senior ranks of the military or do they just go along with this

00:42:54.920 stuff? No, I think there is now. I think there is. Remember Rich Knighton, who is the Chief

00:42:58.100 of defence staff now and I interviewed for his personal staff officer position which I rejected

00:43:01.700 mid-interview not because of Rich he's a very clever guy engineer lovely bloke is for many

00:43:06.100 reasons I didn't I didn't want to just be based in London I thought we were going to be doing more

00:43:09.520 stuff but he's a very clever guy but he's chief of defence staff now and he was the right-hand man

00:43:14.200 to Mike Wigston when Mike Wigston was bringing in the diversity policies he could have said

00:43:18.220 something he never said anything because if he did say something he never you know we understand how

00:43:21.480 it works you got to play that political game I'm rubbish at playing it if I was good at it I wouldn't

00:43:25.480 be sat here on your show talking about diversity would i you know i mean waiting for my youtube

00:43:28.920 channel to be taken down like you know losing all my my my students from my school my students from

00:43:33.600 my school are good people of course so um i think there is that that conversation there was uh when

00:43:38.360 it came out in the air force especially when elizabeth nicole was a group captain that said

00:43:42.600 i've i can't it's wrong to put this diversity in on mass because the air force put a lot of

00:43:47.300 minorities in at once what people don't know about that it stopped white guys getting in of course

00:43:52.460 what people don't know is they put them into the Air Force

00:43:54.540 with no job to do.

00:43:56.260 They kept them in billets for two months

00:43:58.100 prior to them even starting training.

00:43:59.840 So the taxpayer paid for this.

00:44:01.160 They paid for people to get paid in the military

00:44:03.260 with no job to do whatsoever.

00:44:04.940 That never came out in the press.

00:44:05.960 Just so they can say we're doing the...

00:44:08.300 Just so Ben Wallace can go on Radio 4 Women's Hour

00:44:12.180 and saying we're doing it, we're progressive.

00:44:14.360 Traitorous behaviour.

00:44:15.480 That's what we're not calling out.

00:44:16.040 At the expense of our ability to defend ourselves.

00:44:17.980 The taxpayer is worse off.

00:44:19.900 People are getting less welfare.

00:44:21.280 People that need it.

00:44:22.040 like single mums that are like really struggling were getting less money because ben wallace wanted

00:44:26.260 to look good with his diversity statistics the air force wanted to look good with the diversity

00:44:30.120 statistics because the air force only had 2.5 percent minorities the navy had about six the

00:44:34.340 army because of the gurkhas and other regiments like that the navy recruits from the commonwealth

00:44:37.780 so it was quite good they had more like 10 or whatever the air force had 2.5 so the air force

00:44:42.320 wanted to boost those diversity statistics and so it put them in all at once even the guy that

00:44:46.660 actually did it before elizabeth nicole the guy got an mbe for doing it so you can see the problem

00:44:51.620 now you know if you don't solve these things if you don't you're not going to get up the ranks and

00:44:55.480 it was that huge behavior going back into around about 2020 wasn't it when that happened and people

00:45:00.580 were doing it and that's what i mean but really for for what was it really so the was it mike

00:45:06.600 wig wigston wigston so wigston or ben wallace or those types really so that they can say in an

00:45:13.100 interview or something we're progressive well we come back now to me dropping a bomb on a school

00:45:18.980 because you tell me to, and I'm a warfighter.

00:45:21.740 You tell me, I'm going to get it done.

00:45:23.520 And so when you tell someone in the military

00:45:24.920 to do diversity, and it was a conversation

00:45:27.600 because I met someone connected

00:45:29.740 with Ben Wallace's team at a party, shall we say.

00:45:32.820 And he said, I was in that meeting.

00:45:34.400 He was very connected with,

00:45:36.300 and he said, it was literally a couple of throwaway lines.

00:45:38.160 We need more diversity in the military.

00:45:40.220 And all the heads of the military were there.

00:45:41.800 I'll pass that down.

00:45:42.560 Definitely, we do diversity.

00:45:43.860 And they went and did diversity.

00:45:44.920 You tell a guy in the military to do something,

00:45:46.220 he's going to get it done

00:45:46.900 because they can do people.

00:45:48.320 and that's what i mean when you put a bomber to sea like a boat like a submarine that the people

00:45:53.480 on that ship are they're exceptional but there's not many of them so we're very good at going and

00:45:59.940 assisting the americans with a surface vessel or putting a typhoon squadron alongside or down in

00:46:04.920 qatar somewhere they're going to work really hard you burn them out and they'll leave you'll burn

00:46:08.700 them out but they're very very very good on an individual basis i don't know if you know the

00:46:12.560 answer to this one but if we we had to fight the ancient enemy again if we went to war with france

00:46:16.700 would we win?

00:46:18.420 France.

00:46:18.980 I think France

00:46:19.960 is almost defeated

00:46:20.600 already, isn't it?

00:46:21.320 Looking at the

00:46:21.800 immigration stats

00:46:22.560 on France.

00:46:22.820 Yes, there is that.

00:46:23.620 I should say,

00:46:24.080 we've both got nukes.

00:46:26.020 Paris and London

00:46:26.800 are both reduced

00:46:27.620 to glass in an instant.

00:46:29.380 France has done well

00:46:30.080 though.

00:46:30.280 The amount of ships

00:46:30.900 they've got at the

00:46:31.520 moment, they're

00:46:31.880 defending Cyprus.

00:46:32.820 They must be loving

00:46:33.660 it, the French.

00:46:34.360 They just happen to

00:46:35.280 fall on a good time

00:46:35.980 where all their

00:46:36.320 ships are serviceable,

00:46:37.420 none are in maintenance

00:46:38.060 and they're like,

00:46:38.660 yeah, we're normally

00:46:39.180 like this.

00:46:40.180 You know what I mean?

00:46:40.740 It's crazy.

00:46:41.740 Is that right?

00:46:42.180 It just happens to be

00:46:42.880 a great moment

00:46:43.400 for the French Navy?

00:46:44.160 yeah it just happens to be all right okay i don't get the impression we could beat poland so i'm

00:46:48.620 just wondering if if france i mean at least we should be able to beat france i think we must

00:46:53.680 have something on people like we must have like dirt like epstein dirt level of dirt right that

00:46:57.660 we kind of turn around some countries and go just don't come to war with us right now else we're

00:47:01.120 going to steal your house in kensington or something you know what i mean this this investment

00:47:04.720 you chinese man have made and you're buying half the property in london we'll nick it so just don't

00:47:08.640 we must have that kind of that's what global politics is about and as much as i hate the

00:47:12.400 civil service i think that's why the civil service is good it's got these people at the top that kind

00:47:16.020 of antonio romio is that kind of know how to use that leverage and it means that we can have a

00:47:20.680 lesser military and still survive in this world but again i'll be honest with you though let's

00:47:24.400 be realistic because it comes back to integrity if you want welfare and you want education and

00:47:28.920 you want uh the nhs and you're happy to have infinity immigrants you won't have a big military

00:47:33.320 the end there's no more of an argument than that you make a choice but the truth is some people in

00:47:37.860 the uk are so and it's not their fault they're just living like trying to get money so that

00:47:41.980 they can pay that car park by the way 12 pounds that is ridiculous it's a car park for like three

00:47:48.880 hours or whatever it's like any portion of 24 hours so what are we doing in the uk three pounds

00:47:53.040 70 for a cup of tea at starbucks recently my own mug i bought the mug out from the car

00:47:57.520 tea bag water a little bit three come on we're smoking crack now what's going on unless we start

00:48:02.120 challenging this now we say right we're going to not because there are some people that are really

00:48:05.860 hard off in this country and they are british people that we should be looking after and when

00:48:09.260 you start you know when you start taking that money away from them for crap ideas like di and

00:48:14.800 stuff you know it is it's we should be looking after these british people so it's complex in it

00:48:19.060 well this is one of the weird things about you know trump came out recently and said look um

00:48:24.760 you know we're going to easily defeat iran and then he came out and said well actually i need

00:48:29.320 help yeah that's right well why would you be asking for our help i mean i think there's a

00:48:34.140 link i've got down here exactly like that he needs so the thing about iraq remember when went to iraq

00:48:38.720 initially he wouldn't be able to go there the un resolution bit was was a bit dodgy that was

00:48:43.400 political cover wasn't it yeah so he basically he needs people to back up or bush needed people to

00:48:48.560 back up what he was saying and england's always that gives that credibility and i'm gonna hate

00:48:53.020 to say this and your audience may hate me for this and that is absolutely fine i think starma

00:48:57.600 is kind of and as much as we don't like starma i think he's kind of right what he's saying about

00:49:01.280 iran like yeah i've said that have you said that i didn't i'm sorry i didn't i don't know i think

00:49:05.800 he's right to say i'm not ready to commit into a forever war with you right now like when we're

00:49:09.820 talking about appeasement right remember people don't realize this like before the second world

00:49:13.280 war the appeasement we appeased it because we weren't ready to go to war in 38 were we we didn't

00:49:17.760 have enough we didn't have a viable military force to go to war if we'd gone to war we would

00:49:21.400 have been even more destroyed than the forces left at dunkirk and trying to you know so we we did the

00:49:25.360 right thing and we built up our forces but the people that went to war were not the same people

00:49:29.300 that that invaded the beaches back in 44 on the 6th of june they weren't the same people the people

00:49:34.380 that went initially remember we didn't have any people in the army so the army and the air force

00:49:38.340 and the navy these are shock troops that go in and then we backfill from the population and that's

00:49:42.840 what the reserve plan is about that's why we want a big load of reserves that we can mean finland

00:49:47.660 excellent at it amazing because they're facing one big threat they can see where it anywhere it is

00:49:53.380 it's happened to them before everything dig down tunnels they're amazing what they're doing whereas

00:49:57.600 we're importing our threat we're trying to fight every war everywhere every time whereas finland

00:50:03.020 going well i'm never going to be dealing with buddy anything in middle east i'm just looking

00:50:06.920 at russia so they can they can really get their threat no one's going to come to finland are they

00:50:10.640 from china and i'm going to nick you know russia is a threat we're like well we want to have

00:50:14.900 presence in asia the pacific we want to have so we can't do it unless we sacrifice a lot of things

00:50:20.540 and we have to look at the nhs and we'd have to look at government spending elsewhere i'm not an

00:50:24.220 expert this is where you come in because you know but i don't know what we do i just want to fly

00:50:28.760 fast jets

00:50:29.260 and trust girls

00:50:29.960 yeah

00:50:31.260 well thanks so

00:50:32.180 much for that

00:50:32.600 um

00:50:32.900 bro

00:50:33.440 alright well

00:50:35.180 actually if you

00:50:35.880 see the chat

00:50:36.360 comments

00:50:36.620 yeah

00:50:37.600 we can do both

00:50:39.680 of those together

00:50:40.240 have a go at me

00:50:40.700 aren't they

00:50:41.140 um

00:50:43.120 bbobbin2

00:50:45.900 says

00:50:46.300 how can I get

00:50:47.660 a gig

00:50:48.220 as a British

00:50:48.860 admiral

00:50:49.460 um

00:50:50.420 50 for

00:50:51.420 49 combat

00:50:52.620 ships

00:50:53.040 and 850

00:50:54.020 yeah I want that one

00:50:54.700 plenty of time for golf

00:50:55.540 saying there's a lot more

00:50:56.280 admirals than the ship

00:50:56.840 yeah it's fair play

00:50:58.460 He says, sorry, one ad rule for every 850 sailors.

00:51:01.280 That does seem like a lot, isn't it?

00:51:02.780 That's the classic thing when you look at military history

00:51:04.540 from the ancient world till now,

00:51:06.960 the size of the officer corps compared to the size of the rest of the army.

00:51:10.720 It's a classic military history nerd thing to look at.

00:51:14.100 Yeah.

00:51:14.340 And there's something terribly wrong when you've got too many officers,

00:51:17.260 basically.

00:51:19.160 Yeah, I mean, they make a decent point there.

00:51:22.700 Yeah, absolutely.

00:51:23.220 I don't know what the answer is.

00:51:26.340 I'd like their pensions.

00:51:27.500 I'd like that pension

00:51:28.380 that'd be good

00:51:28.840 yeah

00:51:29.220 Abramor's pension

00:51:31.000 question for Tim

00:51:31.920 how real is Top Gun Maverick

00:51:33.420 yeah it's totally real

00:51:34.400 well it's Star Wars

00:51:36.540 isn't it

00:51:36.960 it's Star Wars

00:51:38.120 for the new generation

00:51:38.920 they haven't seen Star Wars

00:51:39.700 oh yeah it is isn't it

00:51:40.440 yeah

00:51:40.600 so they go through the valley

00:51:41.500 they drop a thing in

00:51:42.480 they can only

00:51:42.860 you have to get the one

00:51:43.440 you can't

00:51:43.900 you've got to get it directly in

00:51:44.940 like on the Death Star

00:51:45.800 I haven't seen that film

00:51:47.300 did they somehow contrive it

00:51:48.680 that he's still

00:51:49.360 flying like an F-16

00:51:51.040 or something

00:51:51.560 an F-18

00:51:52.180 when he's

00:51:52.600 yeah so he's an old

00:51:53.280 65 or something

00:51:54.340 yeah that's right

00:51:55.840 yeah he's old Tom

00:51:56.860 But then he gets shot down

00:51:57.980 and then doesn't he have to get in

00:51:59.460 like a Tomcat?

00:52:00.640 He gets in a 15 Tomcat.

00:52:02.020 It's their full team.

00:52:02.760 It's brilliant because they've got to put

00:52:04.020 the air starter into it.

00:52:05.120 They get all the starter process right.

00:52:06.860 So my students in my school

00:52:08.220 are geeking out on this.

00:52:09.180 They're like, oh my God,

00:52:09.680 they're doing exactly how we do it in the school.

00:52:11.160 You know what I mean?

00:52:11.480 And it's great.

00:52:12.160 And it is great.

00:52:13.100 It's a great piece of entertainment.

00:52:14.460 It saved Hollywood.

00:52:15.400 That film saved Hollywood.

00:52:16.960 And there are some really good bits.

00:52:18.560 I don't like it now.

00:52:19.680 What, because it saved Hollywood?

00:52:20.860 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:52:21.960 Yeah, it's rubbish, isn't it?

00:52:22.920 But they must be thanking Tom for doing so.

00:52:24.600 but he refused

00:52:26.160 it went on

00:52:27.220 during a time of

00:52:27.960 COVID didn't it

00:52:28.620 when they were filming

00:52:29.040 he refused to

00:52:30.360 do what Hollywood wanted

00:52:31.520 basically

00:52:31.900 he said

00:52:32.420 I'm not having any

00:52:32.880 of this woke nonsense in it

00:52:33.780 I mean

00:52:34.580 there's banter

00:52:35.340 there's always that

00:52:36.280 geeky navigator guy

00:52:37.540 in the back

00:52:37.820 weapons officer

00:52:38.280 there's always the girl

00:52:39.140 who's trying to be

00:52:40.160 a bit masculine

00:52:40.660 they got all that stuff

00:52:41.760 really right

00:52:42.300 there's always the old instructor

00:52:43.600 which is what I was

00:52:44.500 basically trying to tell

00:52:45.460 everyone how to do it

00:52:46.180 and I'm the old guy

00:52:47.460 getting kicked out

00:52:48.120 so yeah no

00:52:49.520 it's a good film

00:52:50.120 it's a good piece of

00:52:50.680 entertainment

00:52:50.960 and you can watch it again

00:52:52.040 and it's great how it

00:52:52.860 starts off with the original

00:52:53.680 and then goes into the

00:52:54.560 the new jet piece

00:52:55.840 I think it was a great piece

00:52:57.100 of entertainment

00:52:57.500 not as good as Iron Eagle though

00:52:58.600 with Dougie Masters

00:52:59.760 Chappie Sinclair

00:53:00.360 you guys haven't seen it

00:53:01.120 I'll send you links

00:53:01.580 Iron Eagle

00:53:02.400 it's the original

00:53:03.480 is that old?

00:53:04.900 yeah it's 80

00:53:05.540 it came out about three months

00:53:06.860 before Top Gun came out

00:53:07.660 you guys need to get

00:53:09.080 I'm going to send you links

00:53:10.200 I'll watch that

00:53:11.040 yeah yeah definitely

00:53:11.800 it's awful

00:53:12.700 awful film

00:53:14.300 there's a few more

00:53:15.720 Dwight Power says

00:53:18.540 stealing our military secrets

00:53:20.120 just one of the many benefits

00:53:21.500 of the relationship

00:53:22.380 with our greatest ally

00:53:23.660 Lamal

00:53:24.120 yeah i saw a thing on that david betts what's that guy he's got a massive podcast david yeah

00:53:30.060 civil war's got civil war guy yeah civil war guy yeah he's a historian oh no no there's another

00:53:34.340 guy anyway another big not him another big podcaster really big podcaster and he did an

00:53:39.620 interview with a cia dude oh yeah like a lifelong retired now cia dude and he said

00:53:44.940 every time mossad came to langley they tried to give us a gift oh like a listening device

00:53:51.660 that had a listening device

00:53:52.740 and he goes

00:53:53.720 well not every single time

00:53:55.120 he goes every

00:53:55.760 single time

00:53:57.140 exactly

00:53:57.580 they did that

00:53:58.200 they do it to everyone

00:53:59.160 that's why when I was on the exercise

00:54:00.120 they said don't trust the Israelis

00:54:01.320 the Israelis will

00:54:02.560 and you kind of understand it in a way

00:54:04.240 they're kind of surrounded

00:54:05.520 they're in this total war

00:54:06.540 if anything they will

00:54:07.920 they actually sent an aircraft

00:54:09.260 but they also need allies

00:54:10.520 well they sent an aircraft

00:54:12.020 that was a tanker

00:54:12.760 to Red Flag

00:54:13.500 to do tanking

00:54:14.300 aerials all over the place

00:54:16.400 it was a listening aircraft

00:54:17.360 it was moving up all the signals

00:54:18.960 I mean

00:54:19.660 I don't think it tanked anything

00:54:21.480 So, yeah, crazy people.

00:54:22.680 But, I mean, I think it's still, you know,

00:54:25.120 go and support them, whatever, it's fine.

00:54:26.540 Fortin Barber says,

00:54:27.520 the bow-dade experience featuring Carl Benjamin,

00:54:31.620 which is what the Lotus Eaters is.

00:54:32.980 Yeah, it is.

00:54:34.120 I said that as a joke the other morning.

00:54:36.460 He's not going to like that.

00:54:37.440 You're out, that's it.

00:54:38.240 Yeah, he says, it's good today.

00:54:40.580 Nice to see other Spice bows like Dan occasionally.

00:54:43.580 Excellent.

00:54:44.340 And, what was that?

00:54:45.580 Kasadwan says, the problem is the 80-20 principle.

00:54:48.980 80% of Iranian missiles, drones, launch sites

00:54:51.860 can be taken out with 20% effort,

00:54:54.260 but the last 20% of assets take 80% more effort.

00:54:58.300 Okay, that's a more clever person than me.

00:55:00.700 So I see what you're saying, actually.

00:55:02.060 So it's almost more effort is required.

00:55:05.980 To get the last little bit.

00:55:07.280 Yeah, and that makes sense.

00:55:08.360 It's going to be that kind of exponential curve, isn't it,

00:55:10.620 where it's never going to end.

00:55:11.980 I imagine that is true.

00:55:13.440 That's guerrilla asymmetric warfare, isn't it?

00:55:14.960 Yeah.

00:55:15.520 And that's what the books, I hate to say it,

00:55:16.840 the books that a lot of people are reading right now in the UK,

00:55:18.980 because they know what's going to happen in the future, unfortunately.

00:55:20.940 So they're reading those books about, yeah, about what happens.

00:55:26.220 All right, so I did the last segment.

00:55:27.700 Absolutely.

00:55:28.240 Okay, we need to talk a little bit.

00:55:29.760 Samson, have you got my links?

00:55:31.280 Can you make sure my links are up there on the screen for me?

00:55:34.500 Sorry?

00:55:37.160 They are those ones, are they?

00:55:39.200 Okay.

00:55:40.260 All right.

00:55:41.300 So it's in the news today.

00:55:44.140 It's all in the news today.

00:55:45.260 that in America, a guy called Joe Kent

00:55:49.800 was the head of counterintelligence.

00:55:52.760 They had a counterintelligence centre

00:55:54.560 and he was the director of it.

00:55:57.480 He used to be in special forces,

00:55:58.760 apparently had something like 11 deployments

00:56:00.220 as a special forces dude.

00:56:01.740 Then he was in the CIA

00:56:02.860 and you can only imagine, Tim, right?

00:56:04.940 If you're an ex-special forces dude

00:56:06.080 that goes over to CIA,

00:56:07.120 you're not sitting in Langley on a keyboard,

00:56:09.180 are you, probably?

00:56:09.860 You're doing some special stuff.

00:56:10.860 Right.

00:56:11.520 So he did all that.

00:56:12.560 That's his life.

00:56:13.100 That's his career.

00:56:13.640 And then Trump picked him, he's a Trump pick,

00:56:16.280 to be the director of all counterintelligence.

00:56:19.640 And he's really based, like the Dems hate him.

00:56:22.180 He barely squeaked through his confirmation

00:56:23.880 because the Dems hate him.

00:56:25.140 He's got loads of base takes about the Proud Boys and all sorts.

00:56:28.360 Is this the guy who got the endorsement from Nick Fuentes

00:56:32.140 but then turned on Nick and there was a big feud about him?

00:56:34.660 Because I think I had heard his name before.

00:56:36.740 I think he's quite sensible.

00:56:38.280 Okay.

00:56:39.160 Yeah, he seems like an all right dude, pretty base dude.

00:56:42.720 So, okay.

00:56:44.060 Now, he came out yesterday.

00:56:45.420 It might have been right at the end of the Monday.

00:56:46.760 He came out and he did an open letter resigning

00:56:49.240 because he had all sorts of problems with this war.

00:56:52.500 So just a few links here just to show, like, on the Financial Times.

00:56:56.200 It's the top thing on the Financial Times.

00:56:59.940 And it's just all over the news cycle at the moment.

00:57:03.020 The BBC, top-class terrorism.

00:57:04.840 What was his issue?

00:57:05.240 Okay, okay.

00:57:06.080 Should we just let him speak for himself?

00:57:08.420 He's got his own words.

00:57:11.400 Is that the guy there?

00:57:11.920 He looks like a warfighter, doesn't he?

00:57:13.620 He looks...

00:57:14.060 Yeah.

00:57:14.380 He's got that...

00:57:15.160 Yeah.

00:57:15.560 Geez, he's staring through us.

00:57:16.520 Don't look at his eyes.

00:57:17.040 A little bit of dead-eyed.

00:57:18.240 Yeah, don't look at him in the eyes.

00:57:20.860 Yeah, he will end you if you need to be.

00:57:22.440 Oh, that's great.

00:57:22.980 He's got a family and everything.

00:57:23.640 Look at that.

00:57:24.420 Unfortunately, his wife was killed in a suicide bomb in Syria in like 2018 or something.

00:57:29.060 Oh, that is crazy.

00:57:30.540 What's he?

00:57:30.780 He was deployed at the time, I guess.

00:57:31.920 Was she...

00:57:32.340 I think she was...

00:57:33.720 She was in something.

00:57:36.220 Yeah.

00:57:37.060 Wow.

00:57:37.800 So, okay.

00:57:38.360 He was in charge of all counterintelligence.

00:57:40.820 Okay.

00:57:41.020 And he said, he wrote this, President Trump, after much reflection, I've decided to resign from my position as director of the National Counterterrorism Centre effective today.

00:57:51.040 I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran.

00:57:53.760 Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation.

00:57:56.680 Again, if anyone knows, it would be him, probably to the most, the highest level of intelligence.

00:58:05.200 Would be him.

00:58:05.980 Would be him.

00:58:06.500 Okay. He says, Iran posed no threat to...

00:58:09.800 I'll let Trump, in his own words as well, respond to this in this segment.

00:58:12.580 Yeah, that'd be great.

00:58:13.120 I'm not purely standing for this guy.

00:58:14.960 I know, no.

00:58:15.420 We'll see the counter-argument in a moment.

00:58:16.940 But this is what he wrote.

00:58:17.880 Okay.

00:58:18.320 That Iran posed no threat to our nation, and it is clear we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.

00:58:25.040 I support the values and the foreign policies that you campaigned on in 2016, 2020, and 2024, which you enacted in your first term.

00:58:32.780 Until June of 2025, you understood that the wars in the Middle East were a trap that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots and depleted the wealth and prosperity of our nation.

00:58:43.220 In your first administration, you understood better than any modern president how to decisively apply military power without getting us drawn into never-ending wars.

00:58:51.800 You demonstrated this by killing Qasem Soleimani and by defeating ISIS.

00:58:55.420 Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America first platform and sowed pro-war sentiments to encourage a war with Iran.

00:59:10.960 This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing that Iran posed an imminent threat to the United States and that you should strike now, that there was a clear path to swift victory.

00:59:22.000 this was a liar and it's the same tactic that the Israelis used to draw us into the disastrous

00:59:27.220 Iraq war that cost our nation the lives of thousands of our best men and women we cannot

00:59:31.620 make this mistake again as a veteran who deployed to combat 11 times and as a gold star husband

00:59:36.220 who lost my beloved wife Shannon in a war manufactured by Israel I cannot support

00:59:40.960 sending the next generation off to fight and die in a war that serves no benefit to the American

00:59:45.700 people nor justifies the cost of American lives I pray that you will reflect upon what we are

00:59:51.440 doing in iran and who you are doing it for the time for bold action is now you can reserve you

00:59:57.980 can reverse course um and chart a new path for our nation or you can allow us to slip further

01:00:03.180 towards decline and chaos you hold the cards it was an honor to serve in your administration

01:00:07.460 and serve our great a great nation joseph kent that's hard that's hardcore isn't it it's not

01:00:13.120 really pulling any punches is it i've i have never seen something at this level that explicitly

01:00:20.200 names israel in this way no no i haven't what's remarkable to me is his position as the director

01:00:25.880 of all counterintelligence uh counterterrorism um is not an isn't he's far from a nobody he only

01:00:32.160 answered to tulsi gabbard and the president he's very very very very senior dude so we were told

01:00:38.100 like if you've got an issue with command go and speak to command about it i imagine he did try

01:00:42.600 something i can only imagine he tried something like that he fell on deaf ears and he feels

01:00:46.980 painted into a corner to do this.

01:00:48.840 I don't know that.

01:00:49.740 You know how Trump is sometimes.

01:00:50.400 Trump can be black.

01:00:51.280 He can be like, no, Connie, I'm doing this.

01:00:53.180 But it does, I've always felt,

01:00:54.280 it does seem that this is,

01:00:55.540 like someone was saying that Netanyahu

01:00:57.040 has been trying, like a 30-year plan

01:00:59.140 to take out Iran.

01:01:00.260 It's been very explicit.

01:01:01.260 Even in the last two weeks,

01:01:02.120 he said just openly, explicitly,

01:01:04.000 on camera a couple of weeks ago,

01:01:05.660 it has been my dream

01:01:06.960 to take out the Iranian regime

01:01:08.560 my whole adult life.

01:01:09.560 People have done compilations of Netanyahu

01:01:11.860 over the last 30 years

01:01:13.100 where they do that thing

01:01:13.820 where him speaking in the day

01:01:15.120 and they've shown over 30 years

01:01:16.960 we must attack Iran

01:01:18.160 they're on the verge

01:01:18.880 of a nuclear weapon

01:01:19.560 he's never hidden it

01:01:20.020 he's never hidden it

01:01:21.060 it's the same agenda

01:01:21.620 for 30 years

01:01:22.940 they've been on the verge

01:01:23.540 how does he get dragged in

01:01:24.700 I mean

01:01:24.980 because he said

01:01:26.120 he was never going to

01:01:26.720 get into these wars

01:01:27.380 that's the whole point of Trump

01:01:28.500 a couple of things in here

01:01:29.560 before I play you a clip

01:01:30.880 of how Trump responded

01:01:32.200 because he's already got

01:01:32.840 a clip of him responding to this

01:01:33.980 so we'll let Trump

01:01:35.220 respond to it

01:01:35.760 but before we do

01:01:36.600 a couple of things in there

01:01:37.500 which are quite striking

01:01:39.180 to me

01:01:40.420 saying that Trump was

01:01:42.020 like the victim

01:01:43.160 of a misinformation campaign

01:01:44.780 and just explicitly calling it a liar the idea that the iran were within weeks i saw trump say

01:01:54.240 that about a week or so into this conflict he said iran were a few weeks away from getting a

01:01:59.500 you really say that yeah the weapons of mass destruction argument yeah yeah yeah which is

01:02:04.360 odd because operation midnight hammer that's right was supposed to have completely obliterated

01:02:09.300 their ability so in summer last year they completely obliterated it but a couple of

01:02:14.540 weeks ago Iran was in within weeks of getting a nuke again so which which one both those

01:02:20.200 things can't be true so all right but Joseph Kent said that Trump was in some sort of echo

01:02:26.340 chamber and deceived into believing that there was an imminent threat which in fact was a

01:02:32.000 lie according to Joseph Kent okay this is airing your dirty laundry in public a bit isn't it

01:02:39.300 Oh yeah, oh yeah.

01:02:40.380 This must be embarrassing.

01:02:42.120 Whether you agree with the war or not,

01:02:43.780 whether you agree with Trump,

01:02:44.860 whether you agree with MAGA or not,

01:02:46.340 this is airing your dirty laundry public.

01:02:48.240 Yeah, I mean, we need to be careful on this stuff

01:02:49.440 because apparently like 89% of the American public

01:02:52.240 are backing the war.

01:02:54.240 I think that's a bit...

01:02:55.420 Seriously?

01:02:55.680 Yeah, I've seen polling that suggests that.

01:02:58.140 Now, I'd imagine that's a bit reflective,

01:03:00.000 which is...

01:03:00.460 I think it's more popular than not.

01:03:01.400 I don't know if it's as high as that,

01:03:02.340 but I think, yeah.

01:03:03.540 It's not disastrously unpopular, it seems.

01:03:06.600 Without a ground war, you can't win.

01:03:09.300 you're never going to win without a ground unless you know something in history before which you

01:03:12.560 won't because air power didn't really exist but i suspect that is mostly a reflective instinct that

01:03:17.440 when your nation is at war they sort of yeah the americans are very jingoistic and i'm not saying

01:03:21.620 that negatively they they just are that but i mean the question i'd ask to no doubt we've got

01:03:26.620 plenty of viewers who are american and support the war yeah yeah the question for me is well how

01:03:32.060 does it benefit america i understand how it benefits israel but how does it benefit america

01:03:36.420 and then you get some vague stuff about oh it's it's degrading china but i think it's actually

01:03:41.200 strengthening them in the region well they are like it's like hezbollah and hamas laptops of

01:03:46.080 of iran and the same thing with china isn't they reckon iran was like a proxy so china is using

01:03:51.280 iran as a proxy war and it's just make it's just making china and russia look like better future

01:03:56.420 potential security guarantors than 100 100 that's that's what that's the sixth order effect people

01:04:01.520 don't really look at yeah absolutely right i've said this for a long time about russia especially

01:04:05.140 There is also the argument that Iran, and I believe this, I've bought into this narrative, that Iran was destabilising the whole region and to a lesser extent the whole world with exporting terror in various ways.

01:04:19.820 Of course, 100%.

01:04:20.200 I've said that once or twice on the Bo Show and people said, oh, you've bought that lie that that's not...

01:04:25.460 Well, no, you can prove that.

01:04:26.400 No, it is.

01:04:27.140 I mean, just here's a link.

01:04:28.520 Just from.

01:04:29.760 Well, we did it.

01:04:30.300 Simply from May last year in Britain.

01:04:35.980 I remember it happening, yeah.

01:04:37.220 These are Iranian nationals, various terror cells of Iranian nationals

01:04:43.500 in Britain last year.

01:04:47.520 So don't tell me Iran doesn't export terror.

01:04:50.960 Don't tell me that.

01:04:51.820 In fact, do you notice where this is at all?

01:04:54.980 Yeah.

01:04:56.260 It's only in Swindon.

01:04:57.440 Was it?

01:04:58.000 Just there, just out of shot, is Iceland.

01:05:01.300 The Iceland in Swindon.

01:05:04.080 Jeez.

01:05:06.420 Yeah, look, there was Iceland.

01:05:07.480 You just saw it up there.

01:05:09.200 That's just outside Computer Exchange.

01:05:11.800 That's the Café Nero sort of next to Computer Exchange,

01:05:14.200 opposite Greg's.

01:05:15.480 Wow.

01:05:16.840 Last May, last May.

01:05:18.160 Mind you, if there were seven Iranian agents in Swindon,

01:05:21.300 I probably wouldn't notice them through the four or five hundred

01:05:24.480 Pakistanis and Albanians and all the rest of it so I fully accept that Iran is a bad state

01:05:31.720 my question is just is it worth 6,000 American bodies to do something about that and and I

01:05:38.440 accept that Iran would destabilize the region and was a bad regime put it this way and I've said

01:05:42.920 this on the morning show a number of times I've said again right here if I could just push a

01:05:46.800 button and remove that theocratic Islamic oppressive regime and Iran got a stable good

01:05:53.560 reasonable government

01:05:54.900 and a good civil society

01:05:56.800 I would mash the button

01:05:58.180 of course I would

01:05:59.140 but

01:06:00.520 is it a lie

01:06:02.220 that they were weeks away

01:06:03.260 from getting a nuke though?

01:06:05.480 People say the same thing

01:06:06.120 about Putin

01:06:06.520 good luck with that

01:06:07.280 you know what I mean

01:06:08.060 you've got to be careful

01:06:08.500 what you wish for

01:06:09.040 and also you can't be

01:06:10.920 you can't be weeks away

01:06:11.940 from a nuke

01:06:12.420 for 30 years

01:06:13.980 right

01:06:14.380 we know that

01:06:15.460 but it's the same

01:06:15.880 with the weapons of mass destruction

01:06:16.880 the 40 minute thing

01:06:17.720 the dossier wasn't it

01:06:19.200 dodgy dossier

01:06:19.840 it's all that rubbish

01:06:20.600 isn't it

01:06:20.900 we know that

01:06:21.380 it's the way

01:06:21.740 the thing is

01:06:22.340 if you sell that lie

01:06:23.060 long enough

01:06:23.500 people believe it of course people and actually they actually do yeah there's a credible argument

01:06:27.940 saying if you leave them long enough they're going to get this bomb and then they're going to kill

01:06:30.780 israel and israel's going to so yeah we get all that you know i want to give trump a right of

01:06:35.300 reply on does he attack directly does he uh no well let's just honestly just let trump speak

01:06:40.920 for himself when he was asked the question mr president your director of national counter

01:06:46.980 terrorism joe kent he just resigned today he said he can't support your conflict with iran

01:06:52.480 what's your reaction to that and did you well i read his statement i always thought he was a nice

01:06:56.460 guy but i always thought he was weak on security very weak on security uh i didn't know him well

01:07:03.380 but i thought he seemed like a pretty nice guy uh but when i read his statement i realized that

01:07:09.800 it's a good thing that he's out because he said that iran was not a threat iran was a threat

01:07:17.220 every country realized what a threat iran was the question is whether or not they wanted to do

01:07:21.920 something about it and many people many of the greatest military scholars are saying for years

01:07:27.700 that presidents should have taken out iran because they wanted a nuclear weapon they were uh if we

01:07:33.300 didn't do the attack or if i'll go a step further if i didn't terminate the iran nuclear deal given

01:07:39.800 to us one of the worst deals ever made by barack hussein obama remember when they said boeing 757s

01:07:46.240 over there loaded with cash hundreds of millions of dollars you would have been very happy

01:07:51.800 this was a wonderful they said hundreds of million people forget that does anybody remember

01:07:57.760 right you remember hundreds of millions of dollars in a boeing 757 i think that two of them

01:08:05.060 loaded they took the seats out and they put cash and it was so much that there wasn't a bank in

01:08:11.460 Virginia, Maryland, or D.C. that had any money left. They stripped them of all their money,

01:08:17.240 put it into place, sent it to Iran, almost as ransom. That's not going to happen with Trump.

01:08:24.480 And nobody ever did anything about it. Nobody ever said anything about it. Can you imagine if I did

01:08:29.400 that? So they've been a threat for a long time. But they've really been a threat. If I didn't

01:08:35.920 terminate obama's horrible deal that he made the iran nuclear deal you would have had a nuclear war

01:08:42.560 four years ago you would have you would have had nuclear holocaust and you would have had it again

01:08:49.620 if we didn't bomb the site so when somebody is working with us that says they didn't think iran

01:08:56.640 was a threat uh we don't want those people because and there are some people i guess i would say that

01:09:02.620 but they're not smart people or they're not savvy people.

01:09:06.500 Iran was a tremendous threat.

01:09:08.760 And virtually every NATO nation, and this is the thing,

01:09:11.740 if they told me it wasn't a threat,

01:09:13.880 and therefore they don't want to help,

01:09:15.780 but when they say it was a threat,

01:09:18.100 and it was a major threat,

01:09:20.600 every one of them, I think every one of them,

01:09:22.440 I don't know if one that said they're not a threat,

01:09:25.060 but when they say it was a threat,

01:09:27.480 but we're not going to help,

01:09:29.260 I think they're very foolish.

01:09:31.160 You know, it's interesting.

01:09:32.620 Okay, okay.

01:09:35.240 So there you go.

01:09:36.980 You've got a lot of what Trump said there I couldn't argue with.

01:09:43.000 A few points, I'm like, I don't know, I'm not sure.

01:09:47.240 But it's a broad point to say that Iran was no threat.

01:09:51.960 Well, that's not true, is it?

01:09:53.960 A gorilla's a threat in a cage.

01:09:56.060 Unless you open the cage, it's going to be a threat.

01:09:57.700 But if you leave it in the cage, it's not a threat anymore.

01:10:00.140 And what he's trying to say with, I mean,

01:10:01.500 he was saying that

01:10:02.240 they were giving Iran

01:10:03.640 a lot of cash

01:10:04.320 weren't they

01:10:04.600 to not build a bomb

01:10:05.500 what he was saying

01:10:05.980 is they were taking that cash

01:10:06.780 and they were building drones

01:10:07.400 and everything else

01:10:07.980 I mean I agree with that

01:10:09.080 that Obama deal was upset

01:10:10.300 yeah yeah

01:10:10.660 stop that

01:10:11.700 and yeah

01:10:12.320 but the implicit assumption

01:10:14.160 he makes is

01:10:14.640 the moment that Iran

01:10:15.960 gets a nuclear weapon

01:10:16.900 if they are truly going for it

01:10:18.800 the moment they get it

01:10:19.880 they will instantly use it

01:10:21.500 on America

01:10:22.020 well on Israel

01:10:22.740 well Israel

01:10:23.240 well and

01:10:24.460 okay well yeah

01:10:25.340 but North Korea got a nuke

01:10:26.540 and they haven't used it

01:10:27.720 it's a deterrent

01:10:28.380 so

01:10:29.460 one I don't think

01:10:31.080 he's right that they maybe they are not truly trying to pursue Hannibal doctrine which which

01:10:36.060 is the Israeli doctrine of if the last resort isn't it they go and send weapons to everyone

01:10:39.800 else don't they but so they get killed themselves so it's the last sort of thing that Israel will

01:10:43.320 do and I think that's something he's probably considering like if Israel's attacked and they

01:10:46.740 think this is the end of us they're going to attack other countries in order to sort of get

01:10:50.040 attacked back and uh the thing is he didn't attack the man really he said he was weak on

01:10:54.720 security he's like well he was your number one guy but you're fine I but so he obviously did

01:10:59.260 respect what the guy had said there's obviously some truth there because if he didn't respect that

01:11:02.360 he wouldn't he would have gone after the guy wouldn't he interestingly with trump what he's

01:11:05.760 what he's been doing over if you listen to what trump's been saying over the iran stuff

01:11:10.060 he's been making comments like i was he keeps saying i was advised to do this by jared kushner

01:11:16.080 and i can't remember the other one i don't think he wanted to be involved steven wick off so so he

01:11:20.760 is making it clear um i i was kind of well i was i was led into this position so he can't refute

01:11:27.160 this frame entirely

01:11:28.100 because that's the frame

01:11:28.980 that Trump himself is doing

01:11:30.140 because he's starting

01:11:30.660 to realise

01:11:31.220 that actually

01:11:32.200 you can start a war

01:11:33.220 with Iran

01:11:33.660 but Iran gets to decide

01:11:35.320 when it ends

01:11:35.860 because they get to decide

01:11:36.880 when the Strait of Hormuzo

01:11:37.820 opens.

01:11:38.380 The biggest thing is this.

01:11:39.520 This is what people

01:11:40.100 aren't missing.

01:11:40.960 It's like you can start

01:11:41.480 whatever you want.

01:11:42.160 Iran will drag this out

01:11:43.320 intentionally.

01:11:44.020 That's exactly what they would do

01:11:45.100 and exactly what I would do

01:11:46.180 if I was Iran.

01:11:46.580 I'm going to drag this out forever

01:11:47.860 and that's what he's saying

01:11:49.000 about the Middle East wars

01:11:49.900 that the chap you put up

01:11:51.220 first off.

01:11:51.980 He's saying,

01:11:52.680 well, this is the problem.

01:11:53.540 We're sending good,

01:11:54.300 we're going to have to send

01:11:54.720 good people onto the ground

01:11:57.160 We're going to kill Americans.

01:11:57.960 We're going to spend lots of money over there.

01:11:59.100 And it's going to benefit Halliburton, KBR, Brown and Root,

01:12:01.800 all those contractors, Lockheed Martin, all those kind of people.

01:12:04.220 It doesn't change.

01:12:05.040 But that's what America does.

01:12:06.480 You probably know this quote, being a history guy,

01:12:08.820 but who was it who said, and it was a famous general,

01:12:10.840 it was something like, wars start when you will,

01:12:14.220 but don't end when you please.

01:12:15.640 I don't know.

01:12:16.100 That's a good one.

01:12:16.940 Yeah.

01:12:17.200 I don't know.

01:12:17.660 Off the top of my head, I'm afraid.

01:12:18.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:19.040 But that's kind of the problem that America has got into.

01:12:22.720 Okay, you can start the war, but Iran decides when it ends.

01:12:26.100 People always talk about the day after, right, or an off-ramp

01:12:29.420 or whatever you want to say, all those things, right, yeah.

01:12:32.920 I mean, okay, it's difficult because there were various things

01:12:40.300 that Joe Kent said and various things Trump said there

01:12:43.740 which are both true.

01:12:46.640 I thought what was very interesting to me,

01:12:48.880 that clip we just watched of Trump, was what he didn't say.

01:12:53.140 A couple of things.

01:12:53.760 he didn't decide to just completely character assassinate the dude.

01:12:56.600 And he normally does as well.

01:12:57.740 Yeah, he didn't make up a funny comedy joke nickname to ridicule him.

01:13:02.000 He didn't do that, did he?

01:13:03.100 He didn't go down that route.

01:13:04.520 He didn't say, we've always hated him.

01:13:06.880 He didn't do any of that.

01:13:08.020 And he didn't address some of the core things that Mr. Kent had said about Israel.

01:13:16.120 He didn't address that either, really.

01:13:17.380 No, he talked about, you're saying he's not a threat.

01:13:19.680 They were a threat.

01:13:20.380 All right, okay, Trump.

01:13:21.680 Well, yeah, can't disagree with you there.

01:13:23.420 that's a fair point yeah okay now what about the specifically that you were manipulated basically

01:13:29.220 manipulated by israel to think that there was a giant threat when there wasn't one like he didn't

01:13:35.120 say anything about that did he i'm a soul you know i'm a soul he said the the black american

01:13:39.400 economist lovely guy i follow him a lot read all his books he i'll paraphrase this but he says like

01:13:43.620 politics is a compromise you know i mean it's just everything like for example if you want health

01:13:48.820 to go you can't have defense the same thing like yeah iran's a threat maybe not now but give it

01:13:53.660 three years they're going to be a big threat let's go in now and so there's that as well there's like

01:13:57.500 there's there's just gray this is the problem with war it's just great it'd be great if it was

01:14:02.460 absolutes wouldn't it but even tony blair was dealing with this when he went to war with um

01:14:06.120 uh bush in and back in was it 2003 or whatever the one i was involved he he was kind of saying

01:14:11.960 you know it's like yeah we got to go we got to do it it was like it's not black and white it's

01:14:16.840 never black and white and so you can be both right i hate to say that they can both be kind of right

01:14:24.400 i think they both are right i think that's why he's not taking him apart because that's why i

01:14:29.000 think that um joe hasn't taken the president apart he probably respect they probably respect each

01:14:32.860 other a great deal but the truth is there's other external pressures a lot of the senior officers

01:14:36.380 would say to me when we'd have these open you know very senior officer whole station we'd be saying

01:14:40.840 these things they'd be saying yeah i'm dealing with different things i'm dealing with a balance

01:14:44.920 a political level it'd be great to give your squadron money so you didn't keep hemorrhaging

01:14:48.960 guys out into the defense and getting paid lots of cash i need that money to put into this because

01:14:53.300 i need to grow this aspect it doesn't make anything wrong it just makes it different

01:14:57.400 degrees of right and i think what what i find people can't do anymore is deal with nuance i

01:15:02.840 put a video out talking about nuance and i think i talked about israel palace i can't remember now

01:15:06.380 ah no i talked about ukraine and russia that was right worst video ever the hate in the comments

01:15:11.920 because i'm trying to deal with a bit of you know a bit of subtlety like not everyone's right in

01:15:17.400 russia's not necessarily wrong there's a reason that ukraine and russia are both right and both

01:15:23.380 wrong it's not as simple you know what i mean it'd be great if it was wouldn't it like putin's the

01:15:27.740 bad man it'd be great if that was but it's not true i can prove it right now it's not every

01:15:32.140 everybody wants geopolitics to be a disney cartoon with a clearly identifiable goody and

01:15:36.260 yeah exactly it's not yeah it's absolutely uber complex but here's the truth as well right when

01:15:42.820 you commit to war commit to war destroy everything and then we can have it in the debrief the time

01:15:46.960 for questioning it is not there so that's probably why he's upset because what joe's done there is

01:15:50.760 weakened the president's argument here yeah and that's what i've always told in defense is like

01:15:55.200 if you're going to be in that position you go along with it well the other the other argument

01:15:59.140 is you pour shit all over it before he commits to ground troops yeah well what you do is if joe

01:16:04.660 I mean, Joe should have stood down before the action happened.

01:16:07.860 I can't support this.

01:16:08.640 I'm standing down.

01:16:09.440 Because you're not contributing.

01:16:10.500 If Joe's like that, he's not contributing towards the war effort

01:16:12.840 if he really doesn't believe in it.

01:16:14.400 So what we're always told to do,

01:16:15.900 like there were people that never went to Iraq,

01:16:17.520 not my squadron.

01:16:18.360 There weren't pilots.

01:16:18.940 All the pilots are going, of course.

01:16:20.280 But there were people that just said,

01:16:22.020 I don't want to do the Iraq thing.

01:16:23.120 I'm stepping down.

01:16:24.020 And they put their leave in for the Air Force or whatever.

01:16:27.680 There wasn't many, but we did hear about a few.

01:16:29.720 My argument being, when you're going, you're going.

01:16:31.640 And you're going with 100%.

01:16:32.740 You're going to kill as many people as possible

01:16:34.000 because that's going to stop the war quickly like the more people you kill in the the smallest time

01:16:38.660 possible the war stops quickly because you if it makes sense if i've got a tank brigade coming

01:16:43.200 across the horizon if i take half them away the rest of the tanks turn and go home if i pick them

01:16:47.160 off one by one they all keep fighting and then more people are going to die so we try and have

01:16:51.160 a massive impact and that's not what's necessarily happened here either that's the problem without a

01:16:55.260 ground force going in like they did back in the iraq war you you leave this disparate command

01:17:00.340 structure that's still fighting on forever and they're flying drones into dubai and all that

01:17:04.960 kind of stuff the thing this reminds me of a bit is daniel ellsberg do you know much already ever

01:17:10.840 heard of daniel ellsberg he's a person from yesteryear during the nixon stuff during vietnam

01:17:15.460 and nixon there's now this joseph kent they're very very different in other ways daniel ellsberg

01:17:21.320 was a full lefty right right eventually he was shown to be a full lefty this uh joseph kent seems

01:17:28.120 to be a bit of a proud boy guy so they're very different in that sense but they're similar in

01:17:33.220 the sense that they were like a whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg worked in the uh I think it was

01:17:38.440 the state department and um and he came out is not quite as a senior as this Joseph Kent dude but

01:17:45.740 nonetheless sort of a senior guy he came out and he said look Vietnam's unwinnable it's a crazy

01:17:50.240 thing it's a crazy world this isn't in our interest okay now you can see Daniel Ellsberg

01:17:56.620 as either a complete traitor.

01:18:00.140 It was his job not to do that.

01:18:02.100 It was his job to be on board with his country, come what may.

01:18:06.100 Or you can say he's a Bally hero.

01:18:08.300 You can do both.

01:18:09.020 For staying out and saying what he truly believed in his heart of hearts

01:18:12.300 and that he told the truth above everything

01:18:14.820 and that that's noble and great.

01:18:17.940 Both those views of Daniel Ellsberg are kind of valid, right?

01:18:22.220 It's up to you to make up your mind about someone like Daniel Ellsberg.

01:18:26.620 Daniel Ellsberg, same with this guy.

01:18:29.620 Was it his job not to resign like this?

01:18:33.080 And it's terrible what he's done here.

01:18:36.120 He's undermined his president and his country and his war effort.

01:18:39.120 Or he's a hero for telling the truth.

01:18:42.140 You're never going to get...

01:18:43.280 See, the thing is, it's easy to go...

01:18:45.260 People like the binaries.

01:18:46.600 This is the big problem we've got in the UK at the moment.

01:18:48.480 I've got a sister who is a binary lefty.

01:18:50.820 There's no shades of grey.

01:18:51.860 She's anti-borders, right?

01:18:52.920 This is my older sister, my younger sister, the police officer.

01:18:54.840 She's very different.

01:18:55.380 but when i say to my sister so do you lock your door at night she says yeah but she wants open

01:18:59.820 borders i try and say to her well the border is a closed door you know trees are naming she's

01:19:04.160 lovely right but you know i mean she's she have kids she's got four children does she not see

01:19:08.780 what's happening i say that to every day and she goes you know my kids it's gonna be really half

01:19:12.220 them they got on the housing ladder yes it is because of finite supply of housing and we're

01:19:15.600 giving it to infinity immigrants and therefore your children who deserve you know house prices

01:19:19.920 she can't see it why because she's working 16 hours a day for the nhs that's overstretched

01:19:23.480 all right she's putting her patients first and she's a single mom with three kids one's left

01:19:27.540 one's older so she's very so she can't see it but she's on a binary so people like to be on a binary

01:19:33.200 they're going to be trump or they're going to be joe on this one and the truth is unless we start

01:19:36.960 talking about that area and great and we do it maturely and responsibly and we listen to people

01:19:41.520 we don't get on with which is really hard especially on these social sites i can be the same

01:19:45.160 we're never going to move forward are we i think we're quite lucky with our audience because 70

01:19:49.180 percent can deal with it but at least 30 percent in comments you still get that can i pick up on

01:19:53.940 one aspect of that just just the israeli aspect of it i mean the other thing that i'm thinking is

01:19:57.880 you know trump is a second term president the next um president is going to have to go for a

01:20:03.960 republican primary it feels to me like we got to the stage where one of those candidates at least

01:20:09.300 one of those candidates is going to explicitly be withdrawing from israel oh you're right

01:20:15.360 No, we're basically ending this whole that Israel has over the years.

01:20:21.540 And that was completely...

01:20:22.660 I wouldn't count on that.

01:20:25.420 You don't think at least one candidate...

01:20:26.920 I mean, we've now got to the point where people are resigning

01:20:28.960 and explicitly calling out Israel.

01:20:31.820 Maybe.

01:20:32.400 Maybe I wouldn't count on it.

01:20:33.740 It feels to me like it has changed.

01:20:34.760 Maybe.

01:20:35.140 I think you're going to have at least one candidate

01:20:36.860 who's going to stand up and say, you know,

01:20:38.320 we've got to end this relationship.

01:20:39.320 I think the Republican big beast, or at least at the moment,

01:20:41.740 in 2026 is, what, Vance, Rubio, I think...

01:20:48.260 Oh, yeah, there will be that.

01:20:49.220 That Noam lady, what's her name?

01:20:52.460 She'll probably put her hat in the ring.

01:20:55.540 I don't think any of those people are going to turn their back on Israel.

01:20:59.200 I am sorry to say there's that fish guy in Texas.

01:21:02.260 I'm probably getting...

01:21:03.000 It might happen, though. It might happen.

01:21:04.720 How would you get in if you were turning your back on Israel?

01:21:06.360 I mean, the funding for your campaign is going to come largely.

01:21:08.900 Well, yeah, there's that, yeah.

01:21:09.800 Well, unless you, but mind you, Trump didn't come with a lot of funding.

01:21:13.380 I mean, I know he had self-funding.

01:21:15.020 He's a billionaire in his own right.

01:21:15.920 Also, he's a final term president.

01:21:17.920 What people don't talk about, he's a final term president.

01:21:19.740 That's the other thing as well.

01:21:20.600 He hasn't got to.

01:21:21.440 He's never got to go to the public ever again.

01:21:23.540 No, that's right.

01:21:23.960 He can do exactly what he wants.

01:21:25.040 I think he's embarrassed about what's happening now with Iran.

01:21:27.500 I get the impression there.

01:21:28.600 He's kind of, he didn't want to be that guy that's starting wars.

01:21:32.980 I think that's why we haven't got any kind of ground.

01:21:34.720 I know he's got the Marines going out there and stuff.

01:21:36.440 And you send the US Marine Corps when you want something done.

01:21:38.420 like and they want to do it you know they they really want to they want to go in they want to

01:21:42.940 just uh so he sent them out there but if he commits to a ground war they don't have the same size

01:21:48.040 military that they used to have as well this is the other thing there's no in depth there's no

01:21:51.620 reserve in depth and that's you know they're very good at the kind of expeditionary stuff much

01:21:55.540 better than we are because they're much larger but again to resource it from the back they've

01:21:59.040 got to lean on the guard or whatever they've got to lean on reserve forces uh in a way they didn't

01:22:02.740 have to going back uh when i was out in iraq and stuff so i feel like maybe just maybe and this

01:22:07.760 take could be terribly off off that that where he took out that sulaimani in his first term didn't

01:22:14.360 he he did that operation midnight hammer seemed to be remarkably successful he did the maduro

01:22:20.480 adventure seemed to be perfectly executed and he felt like they could do something similar

01:22:28.240 i think to the whole of iran i know yeah but it's not the haran's a big country but it's a

01:22:32.880 population and and it's a very small it's to cut the head off the the snake isn't it he thought

01:22:37.460 that that would but everyone everyone knew iran was devolved the leadership was yeah so well trump

01:22:43.260 himself knew if you go back to when he was campaigning for his first election he explicitly

01:22:48.280 said i'm not the kind of guy you would that's right he did invade iran that's right so he did

01:22:53.700 understand it so this is why i come back today you know did he have did epstein have something i know

01:22:58.020 it's a conspiracy i'm not saying it's true but why else would you let israel dictate your foreign

01:23:02.260 policy like this i well that's i can't get my head around it suddenly or not suddenly but now

01:23:07.320 he's sort of in bed

01:23:08.420 with someone like

01:23:09.600 Lindsey Graham

01:23:10.220 who has also famously

01:23:11.440 wanted to bomb Iran

01:23:12.460 forever

01:23:13.200 suddenly he's his

01:23:14.460 golf partner

01:23:15.140 and things

01:23:15.780 okay I mean

01:23:17.300 that's our time up

01:23:19.200 I'm afraid

01:23:19.560 but I mean

01:23:21.140 make your own decisions

01:23:22.420 up about it

01:23:23.140 out there

01:23:23.520 what you think about it

01:23:24.480 okay

01:23:25.200 excellent

01:23:25.820 thank you very much

01:23:26.520 do you want to pick out

01:23:27.640 a few comments

01:23:28.460 don't have to

01:23:31.040 but it's up to you

01:23:31.540 okay

01:23:31.900 Cranky Texan says

01:23:33.240 we should understand

01:23:34.420 the propaganda

01:23:35.180 two weeks claim

01:23:36.460 appears to be

01:23:37.220 how long it would take Iran given their existing centrifuge capacity to enrich their stockpile

01:23:42.460 of uranium to weapons grade i don't know why have they done that already then yeah i don't know where

01:23:47.920 you're getting that from exactly maybe that's something that's big in america they're being

01:23:51.320 told look we don't do it now they can they've got this uranium but they can enrich it in two weeks

01:23:55.420 whatever i thought they took out all those yeah i thought all that was obliterated in midnight

01:23:59.600 that's what we were told but i mean i happen to know a fair bit about well not loads i'm not a

01:24:05.020 a nuclear scientist but all about the science around those centrifuges and how you get uranium

01:24:11.280 enriched up to sort of 90 percent weapons grade it's not something that like you can just do in

01:24:16.960 two weeks or you're close we need another two weeks it's much more complicated it's much more

01:24:21.280 of a bigger process than something like that it's much much more complicated that's why you said

01:24:26.580 maybe it's the propaganda that you actually said that oh maybe sorry maybe i've misunderstood your

01:24:30.120 or exactly what you're saying there.

01:24:32.280 Maybe we should understand the propaganda.

01:24:33.320 Cranky Texan, if I've missed...

01:24:34.980 Well, if they're telling the American people,

01:24:37.500 you know, we've got to do it,

01:24:38.340 because in two weeks' time,

01:24:39.220 that's their weapons of mass destruction.

01:24:40.620 Sorry, if that's what Cranky Texan meant

01:24:42.260 by saying that, then apologies.

01:24:43.380 Sure.

01:24:44.260 Yeah, so...

01:24:45.460 We like Texans, I like Texans.

01:24:46.860 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:47.440 Do we have any video comments, Samson?

01:24:51.840 Not today.

01:24:52.760 Right, okay, we can do some of the other comments.

01:24:55.640 All right.

01:24:57.400 Geordie Saulsman says,

01:24:58.540 note to self if ever at war with dan place schools on all my bases he will never be okay

01:25:04.480 with attacking them and go full star if one does happen if you ever go to war with me god help you

01:25:09.940 i will duel you personally uh but yeah i see the point you're making it is difficult but i i still

01:25:15.900 don't like blowing up kids so it's you know it's all a bit tricky um michael drybelvish says uh the

01:25:22.280 West, US, UK, NATO hasn't actually been in an all-out war since World War II.

01:25:28.920 Yeah, I mean, this is exactly the problem.

01:25:30.360 They've got luxury beliefs when it comes to war.

01:25:33.820 We go on these little military excursions where lawyers write our rules of engagements

01:25:38.080 in 100-plus page manuals.

01:25:40.340 Meanwhile, the enemy in the Middle East are fighting a real war,

01:25:42.820 indiscriminately killing anything they view the enemy and getting in the way,

01:25:47.840 not their problem.

01:25:48.480 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:25:49.080 we just temperamentally we in the west we just can't fight wars i mean i i heard one american

01:25:54.620 saying that um in in a previous war that they've been in it might have been um might have been

01:26:00.800 afghanistan they had rules of engagement such as if you could see the enemy were using pistols

01:26:05.560 instead of rifles you had to switch to your pistol i haven't heard about that but it sounds

01:26:10.080 pretty horrendous i mean they said even in the falklands actually in the falklands fighting

01:26:14.940 around Stanley don't shoot back until you're fired at yeah yeah that's the rules of engagement you

01:26:21.440 can't shoot you have to make it sporty the enemy combatant until they shoot at you which might be

01:26:26.820 a headshot of course or whatever I mean it's and people's in the Middle East don't necessarily play

01:26:33.740 that way you're dealing with an international a lawyer I mean Starmer was an international law

01:26:38.220 lawyer yeah it's a humanitarian thing wasn't he so you're dealing with and I suspect their views

01:26:41.820 will change extremely fast

01:26:43.000 if they ever get put

01:26:43.600 on the front line themselves.

01:26:44.760 Well, here's the thing about it, right?

01:26:45.900 Say it was your daughter

01:26:46.740 that was stabbed

01:26:47.340 at a Taylor Swift dance concert.

01:26:49.200 Let's say it was.

01:26:50.800 Didn't they kill, in America,

01:26:52.140 that guy that went into the school,

01:26:53.360 I did a YouTube on this,

01:26:54.780 he killed the ROTC officer.

01:26:57.600 A Muslim guy killed the ROTC officer.

01:26:59.320 So it was like an officer training corps thing.

01:27:01.600 It was recent.

01:27:02.160 It was at school.

01:27:02.680 The guy went in there

01:27:03.420 and with an AK-47 or whatever,

01:27:06.080 and he shot up the place.

01:27:07.800 He hit about three people.

01:27:08.760 One of them was the officer

01:27:09.560 taking the class.

01:27:10.280 He shot the officer.

01:27:10.940 and the students killed the assailant.

01:27:13.460 They killed him.

01:27:14.540 And that came out about a few days ago.

01:27:16.040 I did a YouTube about it.

01:27:17.280 And that's what I mean.

01:27:18.140 If someone, we don't have this anymore.

01:27:19.360 We're supposed to not look back in anger.

01:27:21.040 It's like, I'm all about the anger.

01:27:23.560 That's all I am.

01:27:24.640 I will look back in anger.

01:27:25.960 That's all I'm going to do.

01:27:26.820 I'm looking back in anger before it happens

01:27:28.220 because I know it's going to happen.

01:27:29.500 I'm looking back in anger.

01:27:30.460 In fact, when Lee Rigby's killer

01:27:31.620 walked up to the police car,

01:27:32.840 when the police came up,

01:27:33.640 Lee Rigby's killer walked up,

01:27:34.700 blood and everything.

01:27:35.440 The woman got out of the car

01:27:36.320 and shot him straight away.

01:27:37.440 The police woman got out of the car

01:27:38.320 and shot him straight away.

01:27:39.020 he's coming towards her

01:27:40.060 blood everywhere

01:27:40.960 the head on the floor

01:27:41.640 he's coming

01:27:42.300 you know what I mean

01:27:42.760 so she got out and shot

01:27:43.760 that's how we should be

01:27:44.920 preemptive

01:27:45.400 and it's that kind of thing

01:27:46.540 isn't it

01:27:46.780 it's yeah

01:27:47.440 it's complicated

01:27:48.200 but

01:27:48.500 I don't know if you can see

01:27:50.180 the comments

01:27:50.520 if there's any you want to

01:27:51.660 respond to

01:27:52.400 on the right here

01:27:53.280 in front of you there

01:27:54.340 the pilots don't have

01:27:55.520 the opportunity

01:27:55.860 to personally inspect

01:27:56.480 these targets

01:27:56.840 yeah I was just

01:27:57.480 given targets

01:27:58.040 I had no

01:27:58.760 I can't choose them

01:27:59.720 the intel guys

01:28:00.860 intel guys are very good

01:28:02.100 they're supposed to make sure

01:28:03.040 it's a good target

01:28:03.620 but they're not all knowing

01:28:05.100 and we have grades as well

01:28:06.500 of damage

01:28:07.260 destroy

01:28:07.880 harass

01:28:08.380 there's different ways you can attack targets so to take a bridge down you might need 16 bombs to

01:28:13.460 destroy the bridge but if you harass the bridge you might need one if you're going to damage the

01:28:17.380 bridge they say well we'll put it out for three weeks you need two bombs so they do all that work

01:28:21.220 and then you deliver the audience on the target and the target the target is valid like when you

01:28:25.120 get airborne it's a valid target and then you're not paying any attention to anyone there's no one

01:28:30.440 calling off the target you are focused on that mission to get there which you should be right

01:28:35.400 you're a you're an attack pilot that's your job it's not there to question someone else's judgment

01:28:38.960 they're doing this in the cold light of day i'm trying to fly a weapon system trying to work with

01:28:43.560 a guy in the back to try and stop ourselves getting it's moving really fast other aircraft

01:28:46.460 trying to kill me by the way that that i can hear how far though when i was on the iranian border

01:28:50.540 um i was being attacked by an f-14 two f-14s were coming at me at mark 1.4 they've got a missile

01:28:55.600 and they could have fired by about i think about 90 miles away or something at the height they were

01:28:59.060 flying at and i was doing some reconnaissance on a target and i was just count my guy in the back

01:29:03.480 was counting down as a girl actually she was counting down uh jenny just counting down just

01:29:07.280 going right we've got about two and a half minutes we've got about two minutes we've got about a

01:29:10.360 minute 30 we need to go now like now we need to go and so we turn keeping the f-14 at a range where

01:29:15.000 they couldn't kill us so all the work we're doing there's constant and i'm working fuel so for me

01:29:20.120 then look at a target and go oh there's a pushchair not gonna happen i'm just you know what i mean it

01:29:24.220 just doesn't happen like that i guess we wish it could when you fire tomahawk from a nuclear sub

01:29:29.000 it's the same thing you know yeah people are going to die so this is the thing you've got to think

01:29:33.220 about war before you do it because people are going to be killed and that's why when people

01:29:36.740 play around with this stuff they play around with like come back to the diversity in the military

01:29:40.220 or they play around with immigrants coming in and taking over city centers people will die

01:29:44.300 and then those people that have kind of campaigned for dr you never hear from them again

01:29:48.400 yeah you know they'll be there going oh i'm just going back to my job so this is why they're people

01:29:53.100 are dangerous like that i think yeah okay those those comments are all good comments i haven't

01:29:57.720 been no one's told me i'm saying anything nasty which is always good yeah not like my youtube

01:30:02.900 channel sometimes

01:30:03.620 did you want to

01:30:04.900 pick out anything

01:30:05.280 should we wrap up

01:30:06.480 there

01:30:06.660 excellent

01:30:07.960 okay well

01:30:08.860 thank you very much

01:30:10.040 for joining us

01:30:10.640 Tim you've been an

01:30:11.440 excellent guest

01:30:12.040 thank you so much

01:30:12.620 for coming on

01:30:13.280 very kind

01:30:13.720 watch Fast Check

01:30:15.160 Performance is it

01:30:15.980 yeah on YouTube

01:30:16.760 Fast Check Performance

01:30:17.360 yeah I put out

01:30:18.380 like three or four

01:30:18.940 videos a week

01:30:19.340 if I can

01:30:19.680 superb

01:30:20.380 go and check that

01:30:20.920 out

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 18, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1377

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