The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1384

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of The Load Seaters. This is podcast 1384 for the 26th of

00:00:06.160 March, 2026. Oh, 27th actually. I wrote the date wrong yesterday when I put the document together.

00:00:12.040 Elite human capital.

00:00:13.260 Hey, I was focusing on the quality of the segment, all right, not the date. That's irrelevant to me.

00:00:16.940 All the days roll into one when you're busy anyway. And I'm joined by Nick. I've been thrown off now.

00:00:22.180 Yeah, yeah. And Beau.

00:00:22.840 An eccentric genius. You can't boil an egg, but you're like a physicist that can't boil an egg.

00:00:27.700 I can boil eggs

00:00:29.200 I can just about muster that

00:00:31.820 But Nick's talking about

00:00:34.020 How someone's wife is a whore

00:00:36.240 I didn't know you were just going to say that word

00:00:38.080 On the internet

00:00:39.200 You weren't meant to read that out

00:00:41.380 But yeah, a man who had a viral post

00:00:43.340 Saying that his wife was formerly promiscuous

00:00:45.260 But he's a virgin

00:00:46.020 And it's just gone viral

00:00:46.960 35 million views

00:00:48.200 It's much funnier to pronounce the word whore as

00:00:50.700 Who-er as well

00:00:51.820 Where possible

00:00:53.160 So if you're Scottish

00:00:54.220 It just comes naturally then

00:00:55.560 Or like an American Italian

00:00:57.160 weird convergence yeah yeah who would have thought um i'm going to be talking about how the un has

00:01:04.800 been trying to get people to pay slavery reparations and beau's going to be talking

00:01:08.480 about the assault on karg island so an eclectic mix uh one thing i'd it's one of the most eclectic

00:01:15.640 shows i've ever heard um i also need to mention that there is a gold tier zoom call at 3 p.m

00:01:21.960 today um with stelios and harry so if you'd like to talk to them ask some questions talk to each

00:01:28.320 other you know you know how these things work by now tune in then um and i suppose and breakfast

00:01:34.080 with bow breakfast with bow yeah that top show i caught a few minutes of it this morning oh did

00:01:39.120 you i was actually up yeah yeah no it's a good show cheers very well thank you recommended and

00:01:46.060 i'm not just saying that because he's here he's gonna get you he's gonna call you out no um you

00:01:51.420 ready i'm ready born ready mate but i think we've got to talk about first the uh live show lotus

00:01:56.260 seat is live april 11th seven o'clock in swindon be there i'm gonna be on it coming out of retirement

00:02:02.000 i did do a decade of live performance but it's very hard to get me back on the stage i'm not

00:02:06.660 saying it's a stand-up gig it might become one but yeah you're there aren't you i am yes you see

00:02:11.600 he's not done even work here and he's there bo's there all the all your favorites you'll be the

00:02:16.100 most experienced person with actually like stage experience yes but by far but they might not want

00:02:21.400 my bands they might want like serious points but let's see let's see it'll probably be like a lads

00:02:25.440 hour won't it but live i think we're doing something like uh basically like a podcast live

00:02:30.160 some other thing in the middle and then like a lads hour live so three odd hours

00:02:35.640 there you go star wars prequel debate no one's told me how i'm getting cold did nothing wrong

00:02:42.660 yeah all right i better watch those then so go to that come to that in fact is a better word 11th

00:02:47.740 of april be there or be an absolute dork be an absolute won't say the word beginning with h

00:02:52.660 w sorry um square yeah exactly all right so i sold that really well not tired at all um and now let's

00:03:00.020 get into the segment so you may have seen on the old internet that a man went viral for his post

00:03:06.180 about his formerly promiscuous wife and he was a virgin and this has had let's have a quick look

00:03:11.840 at how many views 35.2 million views so a few schools of thought on this one is this guy's a

00:03:18.700 cook what are you doing don't post that on the internet that's one school of thought the other

00:03:22.660 is oh this is this is nice this is christian redemption through repentance you can be saved

00:03:27.820 and it's actually a nice wholesome thing the third option is this guy is a media marketer

00:03:33.480 social media marketer for christian organizations just doing his job incredibly well like he's

00:03:38.580 managed to get 35 million views so that's another take is he that yeah all right that's his life

00:03:43.560 all right that's his life it's his job yeah yeah i was gonna say that him sharing this that's

00:03:49.360 something that if i were in his position which i'm thankfully not you wouldn't be able to get

00:03:53.500 out of me if you started for laying me alive someone says something like that later we'll

00:03:57.940 get on to that yeah exactly i would i don't i don't i wouldn't air my dirty laundry on twitter

00:04:03.220 none of us would do this because we're all english and we're not weirdos so it wouldn't happen

00:04:08.300 but this guy did it and i'm trying to be nice because there are different there are genuine

00:04:11.360 basically i'm sort of yeah like anyone i thought what are you doing but i've since seen ben shapiro

00:04:16.300 in the daily wire attack him so now that makes me want to lean back and go it actually is all right

00:04:19.940 because they're like the way they attacked him was quite crass which will probably end up doing

00:04:23.780 i think attacking him's a little bit harsh he's his impulses aren't necessarily bad that he's

00:04:29.720 willing to forgive someone for for sin it's hard to um hold that against someone he's not approaching

00:04:36.880 thousands have but yeah it and it's of course it speaks to this larger thing of trad life versus

00:04:42.680 modern dating can you be a christian in the debased modern world pretty interesting let's

00:04:47.160 just have a look at it didn't ben shapiro marry his his high school sweetheart or whatever it

00:04:52.980 wasn't it wasn't ben shapiro a virgin before he got married difference was his wife wasn't

00:04:56.200 promiscuous oh okay all right you're both versions and that's probably quite like wholesome and ideal

00:05:01.580 maybe if one's promiscuous and if it's the woman that's a question so change the dynamic that's

00:05:07.620 the question my wife was formerly promiscuous i was a virgin she was then radically born again

00:05:12.520 committed to church evangelized constantly puritan books in her bedroom prayer journals

00:05:17.100 grief over past sexual sin etc we got to know each other well over a year dated for four months

00:05:22.520 engaged for two and a half and didn't sin sexually with one another our first kiss with each other

00:05:27.040 was at the altar on our wedding day that's extreme i mean that is like not even a kiss that is what

00:05:32.660 i saw friends react to this he's like dude what did you talk to her about for all that time

00:05:36.920 women aren't that interesting obviously disavow and all that but yeah i mean that's a lot of

00:05:43.100 dating first that is a that's i mean extraordinary we've been married for over five years now and

00:05:48.020 she's been the most wonderful and godly wife mother to our three children and homemaker you

00:05:51.120 can imagine that's nice i mean there is elements of wholesomeness yeah although although i'm

00:05:56.580 skeptical of forgiving past history the way he's talking about it i can't necessarily be that mad

00:06:02.560 at him because he's trying to make yeah the best of it i know this might be the ultimate point you

00:06:07.220 want to save to the end i'll just say it now if they're happy and it works what's the problem

00:06:13.980 because because my first because my first i've not read this this didn't come up on my timeline

00:06:20.380 But from the first few bits you've just read out there,

00:06:24.580 yeah, it doesn't seem healthy to me that you haven't even kissed her.

00:06:30.120 But, as I say, the bottom line is if they're healthy and it works,

00:06:33.780 and they're happy, sorry, and it works, then there's no problem, is there?

00:06:37.500 I suppose there's still a secondary problem of would you post it.

00:06:40.140 But yeah, other than that.

00:06:41.140 Yeah, and I wouldn't.

00:06:42.760 And this was the part that really wound people up.

00:06:44.340 She's more pure than most virgins.

00:06:46.820 As biblical purity has less to do with past sins, though they certainly matter.

00:06:49.720 and more to do with one's current posture of the heart and daily decisions to honour the Lord.

00:06:54.000 Matthew 5a, interesting claim, more pure than most virgin.

00:06:57.300 We're far too quick to forget the story of the woman labelled an unknown sinner,

00:07:00.520 likely a prostitute in Luke.

00:07:02.000 He does a lot of biblical quotes.

00:07:03.760 Crux of it is, everyone seems to highlight the benefits of virginity,

00:07:06.680 and it certainly is a blessing, but we forget to highlight the benefits of being forgiven much as well.

00:07:10.460 My wife knows the depths of Jesus' forgiveness more than most people,

00:07:13.540 enabling her to more easily live out a life of passionate love for her saviour.

00:07:16.660 you could argue passionate love was the issue here but that's uh never mind that um a woman

00:07:22.160 or man's past sexual sin matters but what matters far more when it comes to deciding who to marry

00:07:26.240 is if the person is truly born again if their repentance is real if they truly have a heart

00:07:30.380 for christ if they truly follow jesus and obey his commands well no no you go ahead

00:07:37.980 oh i'm not a christian myself i'm not a practicing christian um does the love of christ should it

00:07:45.180 really really play a big part in like your actual bedroom activities one way or another

00:07:53.460 i mean is it you know how is that well he's talking about forgiveness isn't he he's saying

00:07:59.860 what matters far more is whether they're really born again and then it doesn't matter what they've

00:08:03.560 done to be fair since this post i i just saw it last night it was too late to include it and it

00:08:08.400 was nothing there was no great clip in it but they actually did do a short podcast

00:08:11.200 and she they both went through a lot the the woman was on drugs she was having overdoses her father

00:08:19.240 who was i think a police officer said you i've seen a lot of this if you carry on you'll die

00:08:22.760 and the kid the other the guy was on drugs as well and so they're basically people who have

00:08:27.020 troubled lives who've come to come to jesus so that is positive that is positive but it's some

00:08:32.660 people but the question is do you want to post this on the internet and this picture kind of

00:08:35.980 became famous because of the he's got the soy face he's uh he's uh that's this dude i just

00:08:42.720 feel like i can't say any things i want to say but definitely the soy face was the thing that

00:08:46.860 people were saying some people said he was gay there was a lot of that going around it's a bit

00:08:50.620 unnecessary a bit harsh yeah a bit harsh i'm not saying any of these things maybe i'll try and get

00:08:54.400 him on my podcast so i'll be careful what i say there's the old adage of um the uh when someone

00:09:00.840 flips in their thinking or their worldview they become especially if it was extreme in the first

00:09:05.400 instance they become extreme the other thing it's more zeal in a convert right yeah yeah or the the

00:09:11.020 sort of um the prudishness of a reformed prostitute i'm not saying this woman's a prostitute i think

00:09:15.500 but you know you get the the adage of it that i was an extreme leftist and now i'm extreme right

00:09:21.940 yeah it's like well you you were unbalanced and now you're unbalanced the other way sorry i said

00:09:26.380 lewis brackville yeah no so it's like it's not a good balance to have been extremely promiscuous

00:09:39.520 and now you're ultra born again you're a puritan on some level it might be that like just just be

00:09:44.860 normal well balanced probably best it might be that some people need that so therefore they may

00:09:49.180 as well go extreme on christianity rather than on again if it works for them if it works for her if

00:09:54.760 It works for this couple.

00:09:55.620 There's no problem, other than the posting it online thing.

00:09:58.340 I think there is an existing phenomenon

00:10:00.060 where people who have had quite extreme lives

00:10:03.060 sort of throw themselves at religion

00:10:04.880 because they are riddled with the guilt

00:10:06.800 that they've accumulated over their lives

00:10:08.500 and they're looking for some sort of forgiveness.

00:10:10.940 So I believe that side of it is genuine,

00:10:13.100 but at the same time, I'm not a religious man

00:10:16.020 and I'm not as forgiving as some people

00:10:18.680 and I think that just washing away people's past mistakes

00:10:23.420 um sometimes is misguided but if if they've genuinely taken efforts to be better I think

00:10:30.480 you can be more forgiving but at the same time I personally don't absolve myself of any mistakes

00:10:35.540 I've made in my life I still torture myself over being rude to people when I was like eight years

00:10:39.880 old so I'm like that um so I'm not very forgiving to me and even though I'm a bit more forgiving to

00:10:46.580 other people I still find it a little bit hard myself a brutal personality profile of like the

00:10:51.160 punisher or dirty harry or something um it's the most complimentary thing you know what there is

00:10:57.600 another aspect though she's in a culture that's completely debased she's following that culture

00:11:00.680 so she's just you know following the prompts of that culture the other thing we haven't mentioned

00:11:05.760 is from the red pill perspective this is called hitting the wall and it's an extreme version of

00:11:09.840 it you know you get the hitting the wall women have had their party years then they want to

00:11:12.920 settle down and get married and have children they suddenly hit the wall and they go oh no i've got

00:11:17.440 to get a stable guy instead of the bad boy and all that the extreme version of it is the religious

00:11:22.020 conversion where you've had your party years this is in red pill terminology and then you hit the

00:11:26.520 wall but you go all the way into the christian version of hitting the wall rather than just

00:11:30.460 you know settling down well there have been a few prominent examples of people who propose

00:11:35.720 themselves as being these very traditional christians and then it turns out they're more

00:11:39.580 degenerate than than anyone like i'm always very shocked because i might not be religious but i at

00:11:44.860 least you know try my best to be a moral person but these people wearing the sort of skin suit

00:11:49.860 of religiosity and then turn out to be some of the worst people going that's that's true but you

00:11:55.460 are an 80s that's bad in itself um moving on we've got so many links um godless heathen wicked child

00:12:02.920 this is her it's it's nonsense this is her testimony as she calls it uh she went from

00:12:08.140 new age yoga mystic to born again christian so she essentially went from the dance stage at

00:12:12.960 glastonbury 1998 like ambient vibes trip-hop lives in bristol or brighton plays whatever that is

00:12:19.800 looks like a witch i think that's a bong isn't it but luckily christianity brought her into smart

00:12:25.820 casual normality so it's a great story yeah the most important thing is how she dresses nick is

00:12:30.980 it she was just super into that and i learned more about this from the podcast she was super

00:12:35.300 into that lifestyle and even she had even people saying to her oh don't go in for christianity

00:12:38.820 it's just a teaching it's just spirituality is like more advanced so she was going hang on i

00:12:42.540 I think it might be true.

00:12:43.580 So to be fair to her, she was listening to all these guru types

00:12:46.100 and all the yoga nonsense, and then she actually,

00:12:48.340 I think Christianity is much better than I would say that,

00:12:50.740 but I think it's much better than whatever that was.

00:12:52.820 It's sort of snake oil, isn't it?

00:12:54.060 It's a lot of, you know, spinning a yarn to modern people

00:12:57.520 who are without any meaning in their lives.

00:12:59.900 What is?

00:13:01.280 No, no, no.

00:13:01.980 Oh, the spiritual, yeah, yeah.

00:13:03.420 New age stuff.

00:13:04.640 You're an Anglican.

00:13:05.920 Yeah.

00:13:06.560 But I'm such a bad Christian, I sort of, I don't really go on about it.

00:13:09.660 i'm you know i can't go on about it because i'm so bad um and i'm too anti-social to go to church

00:13:15.500 and it's too early um here's more of a story here let's have a little look this is a quite

00:13:20.780 brutal edit i'm afraid get such a godly sweet loving servant-hearted husband after being with

00:13:29.920 so many horrible men after being with so many horrible men i was with so many horrible men

00:13:36.720 in my past i can't even count how many men i've been with i can't even count how many men i've

00:13:41.760 been with my past before i was a christian and they're all horrible to me and of course that

00:13:48.120 all changed once i became a christian because godly christ-like men are like jesus like jesus

00:13:56.960 I wanted a genuinely godly Christian man

00:14:00.240 and I found him at church

00:14:02.220 so

00:14:05.240 whoever edited that needs some lashes

00:14:07.700 they weren't very convinced yeah but basically she's saying

00:14:10.160 that she went out with loads of blokes and now she's

00:14:12.060 pretty much what we already knew actually

00:14:13.800 it's a bit of a

00:14:16.200 weird way she was framing it it had that sort of

00:14:18.460 you know

00:14:20.000 when someone who's been in war sort of

00:14:22.080 has this glazed over look about them

00:14:23.980 thousand yard stare

00:14:25.080 I'm glad you said ya there

00:14:27.800 because we're on YouTube

00:14:28.960 thousand something stare

00:14:31.860 do you know what

00:14:34.720 some people said

00:14:35.700 this puts people off Christianity

00:14:37.540 if Twitter was my only interaction with Christianity

00:14:39.260 I would be an atheist

00:14:40.060 this person says

00:14:40.820 and similarly

00:14:41.740 I just want you to know that posting S like this

00:14:44.320 will turn more young men away from the church

00:14:46.080 than it will ever attract

00:14:46.940 so the idea that young men with testosterone

00:14:48.820 will find this kind of lame

00:14:50.000 possible

00:14:51.280 this one

00:14:52.400 I'm going to say ho instead

00:14:54.740 because it's on youtube and that's a garden implement husband honey twitter is going to pay

00:14:58.780 us 257 for my tweet wife that's wonderful did you go viral for speaking about jesus husband no i

00:15:03.660 told him how you're a big asshole before we met so i can see the argument that it's not great uh

00:15:09.300 from that perspective the posting aspect i mean in my opinion if if they're actually living a

00:15:14.960 healthy and traditional life now it's better than them not meeting right it's not for me that's for

00:15:19.640 sure but if if there's a man out there that's willing to take the hit then credit to him i guess

00:15:25.460 mark safe from calling my wife a hole on the internet today these are just pure comic ones

00:15:30.700 i just included for bance really uh are you coming to bed i can't this is important what i have to

00:15:35.100 tell the internet you i mean it is kind of weird right yeah well yeah it is a weird thing to be

00:15:40.100 i guess she probably isn't i don't know but i would have imagined she's not that thrilled with

00:15:44.960 no she's been true she said actually she said on the podcast that it's not been yeah it's not it's

00:15:49.480 not gonna be great for well no no actually to be fair she's not been you know the reaction's

00:15:53.220 obviously been like not necessarily great but the she said she's not ashamed because she had

00:15:57.700 already put her journey out there for years anyway so that part she's like no i have no shame over

00:16:02.320 anymore so then there you go this one is very much what josh had at the start a team of mossad

00:16:06.000 interrogators in a car battery factory couldn't get this first sentence out of me meaning my wife

00:16:10.120 was for me I was a virgin so surf was quite funny he just pasted in the exact thing but just put

00:16:16.180 Sarah stock at the bottom instead as you see the point he's making I didn't want to go there

00:16:20.060 personally but I don't know who that is it's an eagle who was found to be cheating after

00:16:24.540 posing as trad and was found to be cheating on her fiance okay good I see we covered it with

00:16:30.220 Stelios bizarrely I'm assembling a team of religious influencers see this is kind of the

00:16:33.880 thing you've got this girl is it Nala she was on the daily wire Michael Knowles after being an

00:16:38.780 only fans go so the idea here is there's a bit of a grift where you you say like you have a dodgy

00:16:44.500 backstory and then you say i'm now super trad put me on the daily wire right yeah i disagree with

00:16:49.600 this sort of thing like if you've got to the point where you're making money from creating adult

00:16:55.200 content i can't call it what i want to call it on youtube um yeah you're irredeemable that's that's

00:17:01.300 the kind of thing where i don't think you should be i mean i again not a practicing christian

00:17:06.640 is brought up in the Christian milieu, of course, right?

00:17:10.640 And being an ancient history nerd and studying late antiquity,

00:17:15.160 the early Christian period and all that sort of thing,

00:17:17.240 having some sort of understanding of the Christian creed,

00:17:20.060 all different types of it.

00:17:21.620 It's my understanding that it's not first and foremost

00:17:24.220 about like your sex life, really.

00:17:27.380 I mean, that's an element of it, of course.

00:17:29.700 But isn't it more about the redemption of your soul

00:17:34.500 in many different ways?

00:17:35.900 the 10 commandments the preaching of jesus the first church all that sort of thing it's not

00:17:40.600 necessarily about just coming to terms with your own promiscuity it's a bit more than that isn't it

00:17:46.500 so you could make your whole christian conversion about about feeling guilty about how many men

00:17:53.460 you've slept with it doesn't seem like that's the main thing about christianity is it that's

00:17:59.060 definitely the case for this red hair girl but this with the fake hair but this girl she also

00:18:02.760 was talking about the drugs and things like that so i think she has gone through the whole thing

00:18:06.500 like you know she was she had that haircut she was listening to she was doing drugs she had dreadlocks

00:18:11.820 you know she's repented for all of it but i see your point um he was a virgin she was formerly

00:18:16.520 promiscuous because i'm could i make it any more obvious that's just an avril lavigne no other

00:18:20.680 reason for that to be in i've put too many comic ones here my wife was formerly promiscuous so i

00:18:24.620 abandoned her on a hiking trail have you heard about this that's the hiking trail women are

00:18:28.540 being abandoned by their partners on hiking trails what's behind alpine divorce so that

00:18:32.480 person put together both means someone who does a lot of hiking i entirely understand it i've never

00:18:36.600 done it but i can understand the impulse well it happened more than once this is where it's a trend

00:18:41.020 where men get angry with their girlfriend or wife being annoying on a mountain they just leave it

00:18:45.080 one one guy in the article left with another girl walked down the hill with a different girl

00:18:49.540 because she was that and then they broke up yeah it's apparently surprised it's alpine divorce no

00:18:53.860 it's a horrible thing to do i mean no matter how annoying they are you know you're putting someone

00:18:58.040 in a survival situation.

00:18:59.320 Yeah, at least finish the wolf.

00:19:00.860 Let the bears get her.

00:19:02.200 Yeah, not great.

00:19:03.720 More on the nature theme.

00:19:04.860 This is a woman who married a river

00:19:06.060 and she keeps her romance alive.

00:19:08.820 So Jarvis is combining memes.

00:19:10.640 She was a bit promiscuous in the past,

00:19:11.940 sleeping with crick streams, ponds, etc.

00:19:13.740 And even had a weird fling with a lagoon one time,

00:19:15.500 but I'm glad she was able to settle down.

00:19:18.580 There's a lot of...

00:19:19.420 She's a bit free-flowing with her love, is she?

00:19:20.720 She had a one-night stand with a billabong.

00:19:24.160 Back onto the serious stuff.

00:19:25.340 Michael Knowles says,

00:19:26.280 Dad, what should I do if I want to have a good marriage?

00:19:27.880 well son my first piece of advice is to avoid calling your wife a hoe reformed or otherwise

00:19:31.280 to strangers on the internet so you know that was one take and he did address that take the

00:19:35.700 original guy later let's just see what noles had to say about it which we we owe each other a little

00:19:42.920 bit of discretion we owe each other a little bit of a gracious comportment not just the grace to

00:19:48.320 say i forgive you and you can move forward but also the grace to move on to forget about it

00:19:54.540 If this guy's going to say, you know, if he's trying to teach a lesson to people that they

00:20:00.640 don't need to be bogged down in their sin forever, he might hide who he's talking about.

00:20:06.880 He might say, you know, a good friend of mine or, you know, someone I care about very much

00:20:11.180 used to be like this.

00:20:12.080 And now this person is like this to say, hey, here's a picture of my wife.

00:20:15.280 She was a big mega slut, but now she's not so much anymore.

00:20:18.280 Isn't it great?

00:20:20.600 It's no, we owe each other a little bit of discretion.

00:20:23.160 we owe each other a little bit of good comportment i think that's fair yeah yes i don't uh agree with

00:20:29.640 all of knowles's takes but he seems like a reasonable dude most of the time that's certainly

00:20:34.940 a reasonable take to me it seems yeah uh i think so i think the discretion part is reasonable and

00:20:41.480 i think the reason it's all strange for us is because we're english like i just happened to

00:20:45.080 see this post when i was looking at this one of the best aspects of anglo culture is a stiff upper

00:20:48.840 lip for example maintaining composure at funerals it's not just about self-control it's also about

00:20:52.500 making other people not making other people uncomfortable and this this one replies i do

00:20:56.900 enjoy the anglo cultural norm of greeting people with how are you and both inevitably responding

00:21:01.100 good even though they're doing poorly it's essentially just a quick ritual to establish

00:21:04.660 a person has their s together enough not to let their personal problems bother you so it just

00:21:08.620 struck me that like that's really the essence of it to the anglo mind especially the english

00:21:13.120 version of the anglo this is like what you posted this and it's very like just like we would never

00:21:18.000 do it it's an american evangelical thing well i mean even talking about religion or politics

00:21:21.820 outside of obviously this job you've got to sort of waterboard it out of me like when I'm meeting

00:21:27.000 with friends or family I'm just like yeah this is just going to cause problems even if we're

00:21:31.720 mostly in agreement you know people aren't normally uh reasonable when you talk about these things

00:21:36.780 because they matter so much to them and I still don't know who my parents ever have ever voted

00:21:40.240 for which is that's the old ways that's crazy that is yeah yeah because it wasn't the case

00:21:44.020 particularly in my household but not far off but in a lot of uh households in Britain yeah

00:21:50.040 particularly at the table you don't talk religion or politics it's just impolite to say to someone

00:21:57.000 especially if you don't know them very very well just say what are you going to vote or what did

00:22:01.860 you vote last time it's like really rude it's a rude thing to do i didn't know how my parents

00:22:06.060 voted until i was already old enough to vote myself and now these days they call me up and

00:22:10.200 say who should we vote for yeah yeah i talk to them about politics now a bit because i sort of

00:22:13.780 told them about woke stuff before they knew about it because it was i was in the comedy world but

00:22:17.780 Yeah, I never talk about politics with my brother because it would just be a blazing

00:22:20.400 row immediately, especially Trump used to be the thing.

00:22:23.320 But imagine how that went.

00:22:25.640 So this was quite an interesting take.

00:22:27.120 God can save sinners and redeem their broken past.

00:22:29.100 You'll not find me making fun of these two in their marriage in any way, like Bo said.

00:22:32.740 But with that said, this post is striking a nerve because it comes in the context of

00:22:35.640 a deeply broken social contract, including and especially in the church where young men

00:22:38.760 are expected to tolerate infinite bad behavior from young women, even as older men and old

00:22:42.400 women refuse to hold them accountable.

00:22:44.540 So, and then he says that if the evangelical church nowadays did not have a reputation for effeminacy

00:22:49.120 and refusing to acknowledge the sins of women, many of which are actively destroying our civilization,

00:22:53.240 perhaps our presentation of the gospel to the culture would be taken more seriously.

00:22:55.980 I quite like this framing, actually. It scratches the right itch for me in that it accepts the fact that they're happy,

00:23:04.680 which is good. I want people to be happy. I want people to find one another and live a fulfilling life.

00:23:10.200 but at the same time we shouldn't pretend that doing bad things is just well you know you've

00:23:14.800 said sorry therefore it's fine like i especially if it's only one way and it's only letting off

00:23:19.080 women exactly yeah i feel like there is the question of can you ever truly be forgiven

00:23:25.300 not just i'm talking about in the eyes of jesus in the eyes of the other person yeah or the rest

00:23:31.700 of the world so in my opinion unless it's really really really bad yeah mostly like for example

00:23:39.240 say you did a number of something terrible like murders or rapes or something and you went to

00:23:45.400 prison for 30 years and you came out and you paid your debt to society I'm still not going to forgive

00:23:50.640 you I'll still I'll still look at you like I don't really want anything to do with you bro

00:23:55.160 sort of thing but if it's someone's just really promiscuous and they seem to have changed their

00:23:59.940 ways and they act that out every day for the rest of their life genuinely then fine for me I think

00:24:05.720 there's a difference between like doing something that really damages other people and something

00:24:10.580 that's more limited to, to harming yourself. Like if someone like caused a car accident that killed

00:24:16.660 a child, I'd never forgive that person. Whereas if, um, they just drank a little bit too much

00:24:21.720 alcohol when they were younger, um, and maybe, you know, upset a few people, uh, but then got

00:24:28.080 their life together. I think that's forgivable. There's, there's a sort of scale here, isn't

00:24:32.240 there of things and i think that the smaller things you you if you get too hung up on them

00:24:38.200 they'll cause problems for you if you don't forgive people whereas there has to be some

00:24:42.660 things that are unforgivable as a society there's also forgiveness of the soul versus what that

00:24:46.800 means in reality on the ground i mean you can forgive for example if a if a murderer repents

00:24:53.120 you can accept that as a christian but still invoke the death penalty and say it's good that

00:24:57.600 they've repented because that's for their soul we're still going to use the state to put them

00:25:01.760 to death this is a completely consistent position argued by many christians so you know there's that

00:25:05.980 as well that's true i'm worried i'm going over time there's loads but i'll just give you a few

00:25:09.260 this is this person agreed most people think evangelical dean most people think evangelism

00:25:14.540 is conservative but in fact large swathes are radically anti-traditionalist and in their way

00:25:18.440 liberal and he's claiming that many evangelicals see traditional social virtues like modesty

00:25:23.380 propriety and prudence as hindrances to the practice and proclamation of the gospel and

00:25:27.620 therefore congratulate themselves on violating these norms in them and in their minds if if in

00:25:32.100 their minds doing so brings glory to god so yeah for some of us this is immodest but for some it's

00:25:37.960 like oh no the fact that we've been doing this shows you know how how christian we are but

00:25:41.780 it's obviously american evangelicalism i think and stuff we wouldn't really do um well there is

00:25:47.360 the classic loophole that people have noticed for centuries that if christianity forgives can

00:25:56.000 forgive everything then it's sort of on you can look at it a certain way is that well i can do

00:26:01.940 anything anything and as long as i repent like one second before my death as long as a priest

00:26:08.240 says you're forgiven yeah i don't think it works like that i'm not oh no it doesn't does it but

00:26:11.820 i'm saying that people can people can argue that for themselves because if you did it knowing it

00:26:16.780 was you know i'm not i'm not good enough on the theology to counter it though um or knowing that

00:26:22.700 you can buy you can in the medieval period anyway you could you could sort of buy absolution

00:26:28.820 i can do anything and as long as i give the church the right amount of money and even maybe

00:26:35.240 the pontiff himself forgives me then i can do anything while i'm alive as long as that comes

00:26:41.320 through just before i die yeah that's one take it's a it's a loophole isn't it um yeah i don't

00:26:47.620 know i don't know do too long i'll just i'll try and go quickly through them this one is just

00:26:50.440 Pat Steadman that guy who was unfortunately jailed for January 6th uh these formerly promiscuous

00:26:55.300 women are not being shamed for their sexual past but their present pride so his argument was it's

00:26:58.960 it's not that so you're going on about it now and showing it off to people seem reasonable um this

00:27:04.220 one is saying just yeah it's it's not cool bro you've grown up as a homeschool Christian so you

00:27:09.800 don't realize you shouldn't post this this one's funny um Tristan Tate you know when you've never

00:27:14.340 driven a car before and then you scrape money together for an old crappy vehicle but you think

00:27:18.440 it's in pretty good condition because you've never driven another car i remember that feeling

00:27:22.380 mine was a vw golf and the engine didn't even fire from one of the cylinders the salesman told

00:27:26.640 me it had been reworked and was good as new i didn't know it wasn't i had no point of reference

00:27:29.960 now this isn't about the physical driving sensation that was enjoyable enough despite

00:27:33.360 the wear and tear but the reliability and soul of the vehicle were expended it went through

00:27:37.400 numerous breakdowns one day you'll think back on this analogy nonetheless i wish you both well

00:27:41.740 i'm calling your wife a clapped out car that doesn't really work and is rubbish

00:27:47.300 But he took it very gracefully.

00:27:48.780 He said, Tristan, I appreciate you sharing this

00:27:50.180 and your gentleness in this response too.

00:27:52.180 While Jesus' mercy certainly grants forgiveness of all sin,

00:27:54.520 past sin often has negative effects on the present,

00:27:56.560 but even those challenges are all for our good.

00:27:58.480 God bless you.

00:27:59.260 He took that quite well, essentially.

00:28:00.700 He seems like a quite wholesome guy, actually.

00:28:02.660 He's a good sport, at least.

00:28:04.320 Tristan, at length there, called his wife a rubbish first car

00:28:07.380 that you only think's good because you've not driven a good one.

00:28:09.760 I mean, maybe I'm just a product of the degenerate late 20th century,

00:28:15.420 early 21st century but i do think that it's not necessarily the greatest thing to to stay a virgin

00:28:22.700 for too long and marry the first person that you think you love because exactly that because

00:28:29.840 you've got no frame of reference that actually is a real thing like you need to fail a bit

00:28:36.060 including in relationships before you know what you've got before you've got a frame of reference

00:28:41.120 i think ideally everyone would do it but we're not in the ideal world like for example when

00:28:44.240 fuentes said that when piers morgan was on fuentes like well you haven't even got laid as like yeah

00:28:48.360 i'm a catholic like you're supposed to be you know and morgan looks ridiculous because fuentes was

00:28:51.960 actually living it out for me it's a little bit of a difference if your wife was promiscuous if

00:28:56.020 they were both virgins actually that's like the old ways that's how it should be my my ideal world

00:29:01.280 but the permit her being promiscuous that does change it and especially weirder than the man

00:29:05.800 being promiscuous if we're really honest just yeah well it's less unusual for men to be that

00:29:09.740 way because that's how our biology primes us unfortunately um it's no excuse for it necessarily

00:29:16.180 but it's um acknowledging a reality yeah out of the two both virgins is one thing man was promiscuous

00:29:21.420 would be the second choice this one is the third choice definitely if i had to choose um

00:29:26.200 now he just basically doubled down and he's he dealt with all these criticisms and he said look

00:29:30.980 this was already public you know and he's he's just like totally owning it and doubling down

00:29:35.900 to be fair this person said the classic my wife already said she was a whole years ago defense

00:29:40.000 but and then he said he's stunned and grateful by the overwhelming reach of my wife and i story he

00:29:44.920 just completely going like thanks for the uh feedback guys you know so to be fair he's sort

00:29:49.760 of just owning it there must be something cathartic as well as bad i wouldn't share my dirty laundry

00:29:54.800 in public i wouldn't advise anyone else to but if you are going to do that i'm sure there is

00:29:59.540 something cathartic about it right it's something that most people wouldn't want the rest of the

00:30:04.980 Now I've done it, it actually is a weight off.

00:30:08.600 It's the main reason people do it, though.

00:30:10.060 The reason I don't do it is more that it's impolite to other people than anything.

00:30:13.680 I'm an open book, but, you know, I don't want to impose things on other people that they might not want.

00:30:21.720 This is actually quite a wholesome example from Hoff here.

00:30:24.380 My wife and I were both virgins before our wedding.

00:30:26.200 We've stayed faithful over 20 years of marriage, and she's birthed our four children

00:30:29.260 and still looks like a fitness model thanks to excellent dietary and exercise habits.

00:30:32.820 And this is possible for you too, young man.

00:30:34.260 so that's more the ideal maybe that's certainly another version of it very wholesome very wholesome

00:30:38.480 ultimately no matter what you say though about this guy twitter has spoken you're accused of

00:30:43.320 cringe behavior and the court finds you not based and sentences used to be made fun of so that is

00:30:47.720 what's happened but you know he's owned it and he's and he's uh made his case so god bless him

00:30:52.360 so yeah just thought that was interesting and very different from slavery which we'll talk about next

00:30:58.280 if they stay together for 40 years and are happy it's no problem is it it's no problem good on them

00:31:03.820 Would you like to read some comments, Nick?

00:31:06.660 From these live ones?

00:31:08.020 Rumble ones, yeah.

00:31:08.640 I can never find these properly, but yeah.

00:31:11.820 I don't want to read this one.

00:31:13.200 That one's mean, yeah.

00:31:14.240 Sigil Stone.

00:31:14.960 Sigil Stone, bad.

00:31:15.980 Does Nick know she's a bleep by personal experience?

00:31:18.160 How dare, how very dare you?

00:31:20.340 I mean, I was in the comedy industry,

00:31:21.680 but, you know, keep it clean.

00:31:24.040 Another fun and informative episode

00:31:25.640 of the Bodade Experience.

00:31:27.140 Is the live show going to become more and more regular?

00:31:29.800 What's that got to do with that?

00:31:31.600 Is that the reference?

00:31:32.160 No, I've joked once or twice that Lotus Eaters is just the Bodade experience.

00:31:36.240 Oh, I see.

00:31:38.020 I almost love that joke.

00:31:39.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:39.980 Carl's favourite joke.

00:31:42.200 Are you trying to move me up here, Josh?

00:31:44.300 That was Samson doing that.

00:31:45.760 Oh, that's a random name.

00:31:46.780 Speaking of the live event, there will be an arm wrestling.

00:31:49.480 There will be an arm wrestling.

00:31:50.660 Oh, there will be arm wrestling.

00:31:51.620 Will there?

00:31:52.300 We're already chickened out.

00:31:53.240 Will the rest of you all chicken out as well?

00:31:54.700 Oh, really?

00:31:54.980 I didn't know it was arm wrestling.

00:31:56.120 No, it's a joke.

00:31:57.380 Again, on some super chat somewhere, someone said,

00:31:59.900 will you arm wrestle me?

00:32:00.940 oh no that was it it was on state of politics state of politics they said will you arm wrestle

00:32:06.800 me and i said no i'm i'm old and don't do arm wrestling no thanks but nate is actually strong

00:32:12.580 maybe he will it was it's a ref they obviously saw that and it's a reference to that i will arm

00:32:16.620 wrestle any woman i found that even with my weaker hand i let them get an advantage like i could come

00:32:22.180 back it's like because if you lost to a woman then i mean it's it's high stakes um what else

00:32:27.580 The reason people are peed off by this depravity is that once again it's a promiscuous woman having her cake and eating it too.

00:32:35.920 No consequences, no accountability.

00:32:37.520 Men always have to accommodate.

00:32:38.500 Fair point.

00:32:39.120 That is a fair point.

00:32:41.340 Sigil stone forgiveness and all that.

00:32:42.800 Okay, fine.

00:32:43.240 But the real issue is he posted all this in the first place to hold his piety over others to say I'm more righteous than thou and he was judged for it.

00:32:49.380 Maybe.

00:32:49.940 Yeah, there is a certain amount of pride there and it's a weird thing to be proud of.

00:32:53.140 Here it says difference between male and female promiscuity.

00:32:55.920 Is there an echo chamber in here?

00:32:57.580 don't totally look at that actually i don't understand i don't come across as depraved

00:33:05.540 in any way never but but i wouldn't necessarily want a wife that's a virgin it's like anything

00:33:11.520 else sex is like anything else isn't it like riding a bike there's a bit of an art a bit

00:33:14.700 of a skill to it do you want someone who's never done it before never i mean that's not i don't

00:33:20.020 necessarily want someone that's got an insanely long body count that's not good either you're on

00:33:25.380 the sweet spot the goldie like yeah like do you want it's a fair point a virgin isn't ideal

00:33:30.860 a sex partner it's not gonna be i'm not sure i should say this but this is paywall some of the

00:33:35.560 things i'm sort of both like because i was in the comedy world you could basically stand on the

00:33:40.120 stage do a good gig and then you could go out with a girl that night and you could get much

00:33:43.580 hotter girls than you deserved and sometimes i think i didn't maximize that enough then other

00:33:46.900 times i think actually some of the stuff even that i did but in limited stuff it's a bit weird

00:33:51.600 Some of the stuff girls want you to do now

00:33:53.000 Don't you ever think it's a bit

00:33:54.580 I shouldn't have said that

00:33:56.180 Don't you think the modern world

00:33:59.040 I shouldn't have started to say it

00:34:01.000 The modern world

00:34:01.720 The modern world is just depraved

00:34:05.580 I'm agreeing with you

00:34:06.760 I'm going the opposite of your point

00:34:08.220 You're saying do you want a virgin

00:34:09.300 But do you also want like

00:34:11.060 Samson is telling us to wrap up here

00:34:15.060 We've overran by 15 minutes

00:34:17.220 Oh sorry

00:34:17.620 That's alright

00:34:18.580 Mine doesn't need to be too

00:34:21.580 quick sorry about that so most people think that slavery reparations peaked in the sort of black

00:34:27.400 lives matter era of maybe 2020 2021 and all of these discussions you know it was um front and

00:34:33.480 center in the media but actually a different strategy has been put forward now black lives

00:34:38.820 matter has been basically exposed as an operation to grift money from people we had cases in both

00:34:44.020 britain and the united states of you know in the u.s they were buying mansions and throwing parties

00:34:48.880 for themselves. In the UK, there are instances of people using it to buy themselves clothes and

00:34:53.860 Ubers and all sorts of things. And so I think the thing petered out as well as people moved

00:35:00.320 on to the next thing. And unfortunately, a different strategy has emerged, which is using

00:35:07.920 things, extra governmental organisations like the UN. And when I saw this, I thought it was insane

00:35:14.540 that the UN has voted to recognise the enslavement of Africans

00:35:18.460 in the transatlantic slave trade in particular

00:35:21.280 as the gravest crime against humanity.

00:35:24.660 So worse than every genocide in human history.

00:35:28.240 It's a bit strong, isn't it?

00:35:30.460 Barbary pirates enslaving my ancestors in Devon and Cornwall.

00:35:34.240 That's just OK. That's fine.

00:35:35.940 We're allowed to, you know, do that now, apparently.

00:35:38.960 But God forbid the transatlantic slave trade happened.

00:35:42.620 The gravest crime against humanity.

00:35:45.160 Hollidamore.

00:35:46.160 Mao's Great Famine.

00:35:47.700 Call it with the anti-Semitic remark.

00:35:49.600 I also thought that.

00:35:50.740 I didn't want to go there.

00:35:52.300 But we'll always go there for you.

00:35:53.440 I mean, in history, there are loads more worse crimes

00:35:58.220 than the Atlantic slave trade.

00:36:00.060 Yeah.

00:36:00.300 Many, many more.

00:36:01.820 It's just insulting to people's history, to be honest.

00:36:05.220 And the UN actually wrote up about this.

00:36:08.160 And what I found interesting was this.

00:36:12.300 where is it uh boring description of the slave trade i think it's down here um the res resolution

00:36:19.880 emphasized um the trafficking of enslaved africans and racialized chattel enslavement of africans as

00:36:26.000 the gravest crime against humanity by reason of the definitive break in world history scale um oh

00:36:32.800 there here we go um um scale duration systematic nature brutality and enduring consequences that

00:36:39.140 continue to structure the lives of all people through racialized regimes of labor property and

00:36:44.180 capital which is the biggest load of nonsense i think i've ever read it's like i'm sorry but you

00:36:49.840 can't carry on blaming your inability to run a functioning state on the fact that there was

00:36:55.640 slavery in your history slavery which by the way um you know we just turned up and bought them it

00:37:01.640 was other africans enslaving each other we didn't go out and catch them with nets like in roots as

00:37:06.520 they tried to portray there, like some sort of big game hunt. No, it was a staple of West African

00:37:13.560 culture that they just enslaved their neighbours. And were they not to enslave them, they would have,

00:37:19.360 as we've got historic accounts, both from themselves and Westerners going there for the

00:37:25.120 first time, that they would either ritualistically sacrifice people. There was rivers of blood

00:37:31.160 flowing through Benin, as accounts suggest, en masse, 80,000 people a year sometimes,

00:37:38.000 as well as cannibalize them. So it's not like they were living in a utopia beforehand.

00:37:44.760 It's not like we turned up and were just like, yeah, we want slaves. And they're like, oh,

00:37:47.640 what's a slave? We don't know. No, they were already doing this. It was part of their culture.

00:37:52.520 And as the king of Benin said, when we were abolishing slavery, that his entire kingdom,

00:37:59.140 his entire culture depends on the slave trade and if they remove it that's his main

00:38:03.660 means of maintaining his power and if we were to look at a list of a modern day slavery

00:38:13.400 i'll be getting to that oh all right all right sorry all right fine so it's worth looking at

00:38:19.520 who actually voted in favor and who abstained so basically um the third world and some token

00:38:27.600 countries voted in favor of it. Most of the developed world abstained and the only people

00:38:34.680 that voted against it were Argentina, Israel and the United States, which I was quite surprised at

00:38:41.460 those countries. The United States perhaps I could understand, but Israel and Argentina, I don't know

00:38:46.280 of their participation in the slave trade, so I don't know why they'd vote against it, but

00:38:49.980 I'm sort of glad they did, I suppose. But it's interesting that lots of European countries here

00:38:55.660 didn't actually decide to vote against it, but lots of them did. Even Japan abstained. So it's

00:39:01.440 sort of like, well, we don't want to look that bad by saying, actually, no, we think the slave

00:39:06.640 trade is good. But at the same time, we're not voting in favour of it. So I would have liked to

00:39:12.080 have seen a bit more pushback from countries on this. I would have said, listen, this is obviously

00:39:19.060 just an effort for shameless grifting for money, you know, continent of beggars and the like.

00:39:25.660 Stop doing that, otherwise there'll be consequences.

00:39:28.340 But unfortunately, I'm not the Prime Minister of Britain.

00:39:31.180 Another thing, I wonder what the vote would have looked like

00:39:33.440 had it been not the transatlantic slave trade,

00:39:36.600 but the dozens and dozens of other slave trades

00:39:39.420 that there's been through history.

00:39:41.900 You mentioned the Barbary Pirates earlier.

00:39:44.300 What about Ottoman slavery?

00:39:46.880 What about that?

00:39:48.080 It's horrific.

00:39:49.680 Arabian slavery.

00:39:51.100 Yeah, I'm going to pull up an article at the end

00:39:53.240 where I talk about that when Lenny Henry was demanding reparations

00:39:56.980 and talking about how actually the historical record is pretty settled,

00:40:01.040 that the Arab slave trade went on for longer and was more destructive.

00:40:05.720 It went on to the 19th century.

00:40:08.400 So, you know.

00:40:09.280 Yeah, no, the 20th century.

00:40:10.460 20th century even, yeah.

00:40:11.280 Faisal, King Faisal, went to the Versailles Peace Treaty in 1919

00:40:19.400 with a sub-Saharan African slave.

00:40:23.240 blimey i think arabia didn't formally ban it until like i think i think like the 1960s or

00:40:29.800 something it's the usual high status beliefs isn't it totally inconsistent it's like how

00:40:34.620 people like stella creasy can be in favor of mass islamic prayer into varga square but doesn't want

00:40:39.660 an old woman to be able to silently pray outside an abortion clinic or all these people that think

00:40:44.380 the hijab is like empowerment here but oppression in iran or something it's always kind of nonsense

00:40:50.560 luxury and one of them is that this is the worst kind of slavery because this is the one we all

00:40:53.680 know about that's on the telly but the other ones you don't really think about and talk about

00:40:57.860 well how far back do you want to go is there a statute of statute of limitations on this

00:41:03.520 if you look at the medieval world or the ancient world about roman slavery ancient greek slavery

00:41:08.920 persian slavery the anglo-saxons was a slaving society about one in ten of people in that

00:41:15.160 anglo-saxon society was a slave was the transatlantic slave trade worse than the mongol

00:41:19.860 invasion good question very good point is that we ended it that's the big thing we should focus on

00:41:25.460 we ended it we're the only ones that are nice to animals you know just whether they're just the

00:41:30.400 best people yeah that's my best segue um do we get credit for the abolitionist movement yeah

00:41:35.280 any credit i doubt it right it means we get money out of us the u.s response actually um i was

00:41:41.780 quite pleasantly surprised by um so the ambassador dan uh negrea i think it is um the u.s representative

00:41:51.380 to the un economic and social council said prior to the vote he regretted that washington must once

00:41:56.280 again remind this body that the united nations exist to maintain international peace and security

00:42:00.800 and was not founded to advance narrow specific interests and agendas to establish niche

00:42:05.760 international days or create new costly meetings and reporting mandates furthermore the u.s

00:42:11.440 does not recognise a legal right to reparations for historical wrongs

00:42:16.020 that were not illegal under international law at the time they occurred.

00:42:20.260 Which is...

00:42:20.620 Seems a perfectly reasonable thing to say, doesn't it?

00:42:22.520 Exactly, yes.

00:42:24.020 And Britain's response was similar,

00:42:29.060 but a little bit more sympathetic to the motion, I suppose.

00:42:34.860 And it... Where are we?

00:42:37.340 Okay.

00:42:37.680 the UK continues to disagree with fundamental propositions of the text and therefore regrettably

00:42:44.240 cannot vote in favor of it regrettably interesting use of that word first the UK is firmly of the

00:42:50.060 view that we must not create a hierarchy of historical atrocities that's a good point

00:42:54.020 doing so simplifies the complexity and vast scale of suffering endured in the different contexts it

00:42:59.120 risks diminishing the experiences of communities whose trauma and suffering was felt just as

00:43:04.260 strongly this is sort of couched in woke language actually i kind of i'm a bit grossed out with it

00:43:08.880 even though the point they're making is reasonable no single set of atrocities should be regarded as

00:43:13.740 more or less significant than another we should approach all historical injustices with the same

00:43:17.940 seriousness empathy and respect to ensure that no one group is made to feel that their suffering is

00:43:22.820 being overshadowed or treated as secondary furthermore it is essential and integral to the

00:43:27.880 rule of law that the formation and evolution of international law is governed by clear and well

00:43:32.260 defined principles the principles of inter in temporality and non retroactivity are long-standing

00:43:39.400 tenets of international law meaning that you can't applaud apply laws in the past you know

00:43:46.260 if it wasn't a crime then you can't pursue these sorts of things which you know if you did that

00:43:51.460 the entire world would break down right government currently is doing it over veterans but that's

00:43:55.460 another story yes that is true so that's a very very long-standing thing going back centuries

00:44:01.800 centuries i mean because otherwise couldn't the modern day iranians claim reparations from

00:44:07.040 modern day greece for the campaigns and genocides of alexander the great say 300 years before christ

00:44:14.680 why not yeah well douglas murray always say when is turkey paying reparations for the ottoman

00:44:20.280 empire was one of his good lines yeah right give back constantinople at the very least you know i

00:44:25.060 I mean, Timur, Timur the Lame, was responsible for one of the greatest massacres of humanity ever.

00:44:33.060 Where are the reparations for the people of Central and Near Asia for that?

00:44:37.020 Is that why they called them the Lame? Because it was like, totally lame.

00:44:40.820 Sorry, so sorry. Here all week, I'm not, just Fridays.

00:44:44.920 So it carries on to, oh sorry.

00:44:46.740 No, that's it, I've done my joke.

00:44:48.940 It carries on to saying they're essential to ensuring legal stability according to the inter-temporal rule,

00:44:54.100 the applicable law is the law of the relevant time international courts and tribunals have

00:44:58.920 routinely upheld these principles there is equally no duty to provide reparations for

00:45:03.940 historical acts that were not at the time of those acts were committed violations of

00:45:08.200 international law these principles cannot be circumvented by recourse to the concept of

00:45:13.200 continuing harms which i find that incredibly brazen when they're at this moment the government

00:45:17.460 pursuing people for what they did in the in ireland which was legal at the time gone no no um

00:45:23.760 I was just going to say that highlighting the legal principles here I think is quite a safe

00:45:29.360 way of pushing back against it and avoiding the reparations thing. Also they are right that it is

00:45:34.240 an unprecedented demand. I would go a bit further and say to be honest our intervention in West

00:45:41.680 Africa is probably a better thing than not and that many of the people who were enslaved faced

00:45:49.920 horrific conditions in Africa and at least they had the potential once surviving the difficult

00:45:55.820 journey across the Atlantic to have a roof over their head, food and things that many people at

00:46:01.620 the time might not have had and you've got to be a bit more pragmatic about it than that but people

00:46:06.520 don't want to get into the difficult conversation and the weeds of that even though I think it's

00:46:10.340 a perfectly reasonable thing to talk about that perhaps you know their fate in Africa would have

00:46:15.760 been a lot worse as a slave it's obviously an exercise not in the real the historical realities

00:46:23.380 of the thing but in an exercise in moral browbeating us absolutely yeah to try and get

00:46:32.680 gibbs it's not about the reality of history so right now i was gonna say do you actually believe

00:46:37.340 the uk is firmly the view that we must not create a hierarchy of historical atrocities i mean don't

00:46:41.460 we just assume can we say holocaust on youtube don't we just assume that is the worst even though

00:46:46.780 our entire history is defined by world war ii it's like we won etc and even then we still have

00:46:51.840 to have monuments to it in in britain which i always find bizarre but wouldn't don't you think

00:46:55.660 keir starmer or someone if pressed would say yeah that was the worst don't you think that's kind of

00:46:59.260 how our whole ideology operates and i'm not making a judgment i'm just saying i don't believe that

00:47:03.780 they don't do that it's part of the post-war consensus isn't it that it's the the uniquely

00:47:08.760 worst thing yeah so i think we do create this hierarchy i think people innately create

00:47:14.300 hierarchies regardless and you can't avoid it but at the same time you don't want legal bodies

00:47:19.180 especially the un doing this sort of thing so i agree with it on on that side of things but

00:47:23.760 as an individual i think you can have opinions about something being worse than another thing

00:47:28.340 but when it comes to law i don't think it's the place how would you how do you measure it though

00:47:33.080 just purely in human misery just the pure numbers of people killed perhaps i don't know it's an

00:47:40.020 entire debate isn't it yeah because again if you go by that then the campaigns of timur are probably

00:47:44.860 the worst thing ever but that's not on anyone's agenda is it yeah well it's it's like how people

00:47:51.920 will bang on about israel and palestine all the time but i'm just like well what about the annexation

00:47:55.740 of west papua by indonesia no one cares about that um you know i don't think most people even

00:48:01.180 know that's going on but um it is um but people selectively care about certain things don't they

00:48:06.740 um sometimes not even in relation to how it affects their life but um this is part of another

00:48:13.340 growing movement um this was all the way back in august of 23 where a un judge said that the uk owed

00:48:20.140 18 trillion in slavery debt and i can't possibly see a reason why he might allege this it's like a

00:48:28.440 nice guy looks like a very reasonable chap just demanding a very very large portion of the uk

00:48:35.100 economy well 18 trillion that's an absurd number yes and he says that it's underselling it as well

00:48:40.040 i think there's something like i might get these numbers slightly wrong but i think there's only

00:48:43.840 something like 30 odd trillion in the entire world something like that i think in that ballpark

00:48:49.560 anyway roughly so 18 trillion that's it's like an alex jones court case number it's just like

00:48:56.300 Yeah

00:48:56.940 Realistic

00:48:57.440 And even if somehow

00:48:58.220 Just imagine somehow

00:48:59.240 We paid up with that

00:49:00.780 That wouldn't be the end

00:49:01.580 They wouldn't say

00:49:02.880 We wouldn't be able to

00:49:03.900 Well no

00:49:04.480 Just like well you'll have to

00:49:05.600 Take them back then I guess

00:49:06.640 Because we can't afford to pay for that

00:49:08.100 What else are you meant to do

00:49:09.720 We can't afford anything

00:49:10.040 Did you see that stat the other day

00:49:10.940 That we're paying

00:49:11.580 33 billion in welfare

00:49:14.400 But only make

00:49:15.600 31 billion from taxation

00:49:17.460 It's depressing

00:49:18.960 We can't afford anything

00:49:19.880 No

00:49:20.300 We can barely afford

00:49:21.480 The repayment

00:49:22.540 The interest repayments

00:49:23.780 On our debts

00:49:24.380 Right

00:49:24.660 let alone any more expenditures so um it is to the point where um the caribbean jumped on this

00:49:33.440 number what about if we sorry agree to pay the debt but we have to bring back slavery to fund

00:49:38.000 that's the only way we can we would have to sell ourselves into slavery to be able to pay it off

00:49:43.260 debt slavery um the caribbeans have been or some of the caribbean nations have been trying to pursue

00:49:49.720 slavery reparations even though you get to live in a nice part of the world where we all want to

00:49:53.800 on holiday. But yes, it's obviously just a grift. It's ridiculous. Like, should the Haitians get

00:50:03.180 reparations the same as, you know, I don't know, Jamaica or somewhere like that? Like, how do you

00:50:07.860 work it out? I mean, the Haitians killed everyone. So do they deserve less reparations because they've

00:50:13.240 sort of had some already? How would you even work it out? But there are entire organizations that

00:50:17.740 exist. Um, like this one, uh, carry com, which is set up to pursue reparations for the Caribbean

00:50:25.480 for slavery, which, um, I just think we shouldn't be accepting this. It's sort of like, um, if a

00:50:33.140 beggar reaches into your pocket to steal your wallet, you don't say, Oh, I'm, I'm really

00:50:37.460 regretting the fact that you need the money, but, um, I'm afraid that, uh, you know, that goes

00:50:42.820 against my property rights. You slap the hand away and tell them to get lost or else. That's

00:50:47.440 the way i see it one thing i've just remembered is that at the height of transatlantic slavery

00:50:51.720 a uh cotton worker in lancashire which is where half my family are from and what they did

00:50:56.820 had a lower life expectancy all i'm saying is where are my reparations reparations for the north

00:51:02.300 also why should my family i say hi well i'm very tired i get that right lower life expectancy

00:51:07.640 why should my family in rural scotland that never owned a slave never benefited from it and in fact

00:51:13.960 the country doesn't benefit from slavery the people who perhaps traded in slaves and made

00:51:18.620 profit from it benefited but relative to the rest of the economy they would have had more

00:51:24.120 purchasing power they would have pushed the price of goods up for people who didn't participate in

00:51:27.980 it so actually the cost yeah the cost of of living would have gone up by people becoming

00:51:33.700 rich off of it relative to the population that didn't engage in it so actually people would

00:51:37.880 have been poorer as well as the suppressed wages and the love to hear you make that argument on

00:51:42.340 question time you never hear the inflationary slavery affecting the little guy argument well

00:51:48.240 yeah it's like in um ancient rome isn't it how slavery um was a massive problem for them because

00:51:53.960 it meant that people didn't really have farmland and and the ability to work wages were low and it

00:52:00.500 was a big social problem people forget that there's a whole number of reasons why slavery isn't the

00:52:05.840 most efficient way to run a society lots and lots of ways of course you get all the labor for free

00:52:10.820 but then you've actually got to feed and house them it's not if it's not efficient actually

00:52:17.080 it's much much more efficient commercially to pay someone a wage i suppose it's also worth

00:52:23.400 mentioning i don't agree with slavery on moral terms just to be clear just let's make that clear

00:52:29.340 yeah i'm pushing it back against the reparations claims but that's not to say that i think that

00:52:33.920 slavery is all fine and dandy no in the example of the late republic roman republic 100 150

00:52:40.800 years before Christ, that period, the period of the Gracchi brothers, Tiberius and Gaius

00:52:45.500 Gracchus, it was just a very, very few people owned tons of slaves and made everyone else

00:52:52.760 unemployed and disenfranchised and landless so that they could buy up all the land, put

00:52:56.940 their slaves on it and just rake in insane profits.

00:53:01.380 Yeah, it sort of was destroying society in loads and loads of different ways.

00:53:04.800 So it doesn't even make sense to collectively blame Britain or other slave trading countries

00:53:09.780 because comparatively people would have been worse off for the slave trade existing in you know if

00:53:15.500 you're a poor working class person in Britain I don't know how my rural Scottish ancestors would

00:53:20.940 have benefited from it you know you know in the highlands there weren't any slaves around anyway

00:53:26.140 but anyway I would like to point out the fact that when you look this was from April of last year

00:53:33.880 white British respondents think we should not in a decent majority whereas black British respondents

00:53:41.920 think we should to a large majority but remember that they're just as British as you or me they

00:53:47.280 have no ethnic allegiance to their homeland despite this very glaring difference and actually

00:53:54.720 YouGov put out one very recently here looking at whether people strongly support or strongly

00:54:00.720 oppose um all adults in britain um sort of aggregated strongly oppose is the the main one

00:54:08.040 by a significant margin but for white adults it's the highest and then for ethnic minority adults

00:54:13.840 actually strongly support is the highest one here so there's obviously a division and then you look

00:54:20.360 at black adults 51 strongly support but they also think that it's going to be them being the

00:54:26.780 beneficiaries of it, rather than them also being raked in to pay the money, because everyone in

00:54:33.080 Britain is collectively blamed. So one thing I did want to do is I wrote an article all the way back

00:54:38.640 in October of last year about Lenny Henry's demands, and I had a big old breakdown of all

00:54:43.620 of the stupid arguments that exist for the transatlantic slave trade being particularly

00:54:51.600 the worst. And I'm not to say it was good, but as I point out here,

00:54:57.460 curiously, none of the loudest voices calling for reparations ever mentioned the Arab slave trade,

00:55:03.960 which predated and outlasted the transatlantic trade by centuries. Millions of Africans were

00:55:08.140 captured and transported across the Sahara and Indian Ocean, with some historians estimating

00:55:12.520 the death toll to be higher than that of the transatlantic slave trade. Yet there are no

00:55:17.280 demands for reparations from the middle east no campaigns for apologies from the arab states no

00:55:22.500 best-selling books calling for compensation from oil-rich gulf nations the selective outrage

00:55:27.220 suggests that the issue is less about justice more about both ideology and extracting wealth

00:55:31.560 reparations are only demanded where there is perceived western guilt to exploit and that's

00:55:35.820 exactly it in my opinion that they smell weakness they think they can squeeze money out of us and so

00:55:40.680 that's why we're being targeted and there's no other reason for it because why else would they

00:55:45.540 be targeting the transatlantic slave trade and not all of the others and also of course there

00:55:51.480 are open slave markets in libya there was that famous video that emerged from 2017 of them

00:55:59.020 selling black africans for as little as a few hundred dollars it's much like the claim that

00:56:04.480 we can't be indigenous it's it's a very simple oppressor oppressed narrative we're always the

00:56:09.900 oppressor they're always the oppressed thus if we have people going back longer than the maori

00:56:14.520 they're not indigenous because we're oppressors so we can't be or something

00:56:18.640 it's a great point about modern day slavery if you just look at a list of the countries where

00:56:24.460 modern day slavery still exists well i've actually got another bit that will back up your point here

00:56:28.660 so let's see a last link no um no as in uh within this article okay so according to the global

00:56:34.360 slavery index there are currently an estimate estimated 50 million people trapped in forced

00:56:38.440 labor or human trafficking around the world there are more slaves today than at any point in history

00:56:42.580 yet those calling for reparations seem uninterested in these living victims.

00:56:46.620 Theirs is not a campaign against slavery itself,

00:56:48.700 but a campaign to monetise ancestral guilt.

00:56:51.120 The moral energy that could be directed towards ending real slavery

00:56:54.080 is instead spent on imaginary debts and performative offence,

00:56:57.400 which I stand by.

00:57:00.000 Yep, they don't care about the Uyghur Muslims,

00:57:01.920 they don't care about current slavery.

00:57:03.940 It's so annoying, but as we've learnt,

00:57:06.460 you can't prove anything to these people with facts, can you?

00:57:09.040 I'm not interested in that, yeah.

00:57:11.140 Places like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, all the Middle East,

00:57:15.160 loads of sub-Saharan Africa still buying and selling slaves.

00:57:21.900 They're not interested in that.

00:57:23.040 I think you put it perfectly when you said

00:57:25.580 it's just more about imaginary debts and performative offence.

00:57:30.740 Do you know what?

00:57:31.120 You could also cite the grooming gangs, couldn't you,

00:57:32.760 which is essentially a kind of emerging,

00:57:35.800 it's kind of a mass sex trafficking organisation

00:57:38.720 which is kind of bordering on slavery as well.

00:57:41.120 Yep.

00:57:41.420 Well, in Britain, when you find it, like in Leicester a few years back,

00:57:45.300 wasn't there, they found loads of...

00:57:46.680 Yeah, they keep on finding Vietnamese people as slaves as well.

00:57:50.540 What were the racial, ethnic backgrounds of the people involved in that?

00:57:55.080 They weren't white.

00:57:56.520 Yeah.

00:57:57.320 Don't you often get more Middle Eastern people

00:58:01.600 owning sub-Saharan or subcontinent people?

00:58:06.540 that's what you often get don't you very different attitudes than you know western people that's for

00:58:12.620 sure but my point in bringing this up isn't to refute the slavery narrative for the millionth

00:58:17.960 time it is to highlight the fact that rather than appealing to us within our own countries directly

00:58:23.560 now as they were before with black lives matter and the like countries are going via extra

00:58:28.840 governmental bodies like the un as they have for the past few years and they're trying to increase

00:58:34.440 pressure more and more through these bodies to make countries pay up and obviously it's all

00:58:40.060 about the money, they don't actually care about the reason behind it otherwise they'd be saying

00:58:44.840 very different things. I'm going to quickly whiz through these because I'm aware I have gone over

00:58:51.560 time as well. I can't see the mouse, where is it? Gone the wrong way, here we go. Okay so Ochiador

00:58:59.420 says um who will bring up the similar hypocrisy of hassan and cuba um yeah rich guy going to cuba

00:59:07.040 um just flaunting his wealth sharing off also talking about how it's caused by

00:59:12.060 um u.s sanctions rather than their own policies yeah it was a stat that his what his it would

00:59:17.820 take the average cuban nine years to buy his glasses nine years of working i don't know where

00:59:22.940 hassan found the time with all the dog talk training he's got on his plate yeah um i mean

00:59:29.400 he's Turkish they hate dogs don't they um do these people hear themselves African slavery was the

00:59:34.140 worst crime in human history now get on this boat we need to import you for GDP yeah it's we're like

00:59:40.380 the uniquely evil state in the world but also we have a right to live in your country um for some

00:59:46.620 reason uh 14 barber so there are Anglo-Saxons getting reparations from Norway and Denmark do

00:59:51.920 the Celts get money from the Angles and Morocco slavery is horrendous but I'm not sure asking for

00:59:57.040 money is going to help i agree yeah um bold eagle says so that means the un is going to

01:00:03.040 be condemning all african kingdoms islam along with whites for enslaving africans

01:00:08.100 then right right um no of course not um it's a partisan body um

01:00:14.000 i don't know what sigil stone's saying here it's reference to something bro said in the previous

01:00:20.720 segment okay um osa is apparently claiming to say i'd rather ride a well-used bicycle

01:00:28.560 at least you know it's reliable i guess it'll get you to your destination

01:00:33.920 don't read into that um hewitt says uh difference between male and female promiscuity

01:00:39.940 um is oh we've already read that one okay sorry for holding you up bow yeah no worries

01:00:44.880 no worries i'll just scroll down on the documents of my bit okay

01:00:48.620 we need to talk about the u.s marine corps storming the beaches of a very small island

01:00:56.060 that no one's really heard of before i've heard of it because it was a battlefield free map once

01:01:01.280 i've heard of it because lord miles has been there no i've got no idea i was gonna go on to say and

01:01:07.520 i'm not talking about world war ii i'm not talking about 1944 not the japanese war then yeah no so

01:01:14.680 are these all my links samson are they all there so you mentioned uh you mentioned somewhere that

01:01:20.720 it was a i've got a picture samson showed me a picture of a a game battlefield three is it

01:01:25.760 that's right yeah back when it was good yeah you can fight on karg island so all right for anyone

01:01:30.080 who might not know whatsoever what we're talking about is that there's an island karg island just

01:01:35.040 off the coast of iran right at the top of the persian gulf where 90 of iran's oil exports go

01:01:40.780 from this one hub, because the Persian Gulf is actually really shallow, quite shallow.

01:01:45.640 And you can't really get a tanker right up to the coast of Iran, hardly anywhere.

01:01:50.820 So you need a deep water harbour.

01:01:53.100 And there's this little island, Kharg Island, which is really small.

01:01:55.860 It's only like seven, eight miles long.

01:01:57.760 It's like 20 odd square kilometres.

01:01:59.780 It's like half the size of Manhattan.

01:02:01.700 Small rock in the sea, really.

01:02:03.860 But it's got deep water harbours where you can get tankers alongside.

01:02:06.900 90% of Iran's crude goes out from there.

01:02:10.780 Okay. So we're in the middle of the oil war, aren't we? It's the oil war. And so where Iran has been attacking the oil infrastructure of the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi, and so forth, Israel and the United States want to or are screwing with Iran's ability to produce and export oil.

01:02:36.980 And so Carg Island is ground zero for that, right?

01:02:40.940 And about a week or two ago, America bombed it, bombed it quite heavily.

01:02:48.240 And now there's talk of boots on the ground on this island, on this little Carg Island.

01:02:55.080 It obviously hasn't happened yet, but it looks like, I think,

01:03:00.080 and I'll make the argument in this segment, that it's probably going to happen.

01:03:04.300 So here's an article here from the Daily Mail.

01:03:06.300 which I actually talked about this morning on the Beau show,

01:03:09.020 Breakfast with Beau, 8am, Greenwich Mean Time.

01:03:13.440 Check it out, most based breakfast show around.

01:03:15.920 I talked about it a bit on there,

01:03:17.780 so I won't go through this particular article too much,

01:03:20.480 but it's an interesting one.

01:03:21.460 They say, a bloody hellfire of missiles, rockets and drones

01:03:24.900 unleashed by fanatical defenders, Iranian fanatical defenders,

01:03:28.620 they're talking about there, one particular journalist,

01:03:30.900 warns of the trap that could await thousands of US troops

01:03:33.840 invading Iranian oil hub okay uh so look there's a there's an aerial view of it and that the marines

01:03:43.640 will be 3 000 marines backed up by another 2 000 marines big chunk of the 82nd airborne division

01:03:50.240 may well parachute down onto the island and uh and take it and what would the Iranians do to stop

01:03:58.360 them. I imagine it will be highly contested because it's not going to be a surprise given

01:04:04.840 their position that America is going to try and intervene and Israel. And so I imagine that

01:04:11.200 they're going to be quite dug in and quite prepared. But of course, I wouldn't be surprised

01:04:16.600 if the US has the firepower to deal with it at the same time. So this is a segment really about

01:04:23.920 military matters, a bit less political, although we will talk about a bit of the politics of it.

01:04:27.560 but really just like the military reality of it.

01:04:30.460 So just on this map, there's the Straits of Hormuz there

01:04:33.240 into the Gulf of Aden, and this is the Persian Gulf.

01:04:35.940 And the island's right up there.

01:04:37.740 Like Kuwait's there, this is Iraq, this is obviously Iran,

01:04:40.600 Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE.

01:04:45.380 And there's Karg Island.

01:04:46.820 Look, it's right up there.

01:04:49.160 So the best will in the world,

01:04:50.800 if you wanted to get ships there,

01:04:52.960 they've got to come through ye olde Straits of Hormuz,

01:04:56.060 haven't they?

01:04:56.560 which is a little bit contested i believe a little bit a little bit

01:05:02.260 um so so if it does go down what's it gonna what's it gonna be like um it looked and this

01:05:10.760 is a picture i thought this was an interesting picture of the topography it's largely flat

01:05:14.880 there are there is like some hills there but it's not like an insanely difficult bit of terrain

01:05:21.680 like they often say um any sort of amphibious assault on say taiwan formosa formally um much

01:05:29.500 bigger island but that's actually technically difficult because of mountain ranges and things

01:05:33.540 well quite high out of the ocean isn't it yeah whereas karg island isn't so much

01:05:38.640 um that also means that the us's air superiority will be quite helpful because

01:05:45.340 you know if it's quite flat it's easier for you know okay so one of the first things so just get

01:05:50.880 into it then is the almost complete air superiority other than missiles and drones beyond that

01:05:56.060 you know uh iran hasn't got any air force to speak of anymore so in terms of fast jets the u.s and

01:06:03.560 the israeli israelis have got complete superiority for a start which actually usually is more or less

01:06:09.420 the whole ballgame it's one of the most important things in modern warfare isn't it and um to give

01:06:16.560 them credit the US Marines and airborne and you can only imagine they're probably other special

01:06:21.280 forces like uh Navy SEALs or Rangers airborne Rangers whatever loads of others they will be

01:06:29.000 man for man better than any Iranians that are garrisoned on there right if I was garrisoned

01:06:37.000 on there right now I'd be worried put it that way I said that this morning that's putting it lightly

01:06:40.520 I think it's almost certain death if you're an Iranian on that island.

01:06:46.660 As the marines and paratroopers are looking to end you,

01:06:51.340 they're not particularly looking for mass surrenders,

01:06:54.420 taking you prisoner,

01:06:55.960 there's a battle space that they need to dominate

01:06:58.140 with extreme prejudice.

01:07:00.760 I'm very much a layman on these matters,

01:07:02.500 but they do retain the threat of hitting Qatar

01:07:04.700 and once they hit the LNG, is it LPG or LNG?

01:07:08.740 LNG.

01:07:09.060 Yeah, that screws all of Europe and it screws all the exports.

01:07:12.860 So they do have that and they prove quite effective

01:07:14.460 and they can ruin Dubai's tourist industry and all these kind of things.

01:07:17.560 So they do have some quite effective deterrence in that sense, right?

01:07:21.120 Yeah.

01:07:21.860 But you're saying it doesn't matter because the planes

01:07:25.120 and the boots on the ground are going to destroy them.

01:07:27.860 We're talking about a number of different things there, aren't we?

01:07:30.140 So, yeah, there's no denying that the Iranian command and control system

01:07:34.260 is still in place.

01:07:34.980 They can still launch things at UAE or deep into Saudi.

01:07:38.760 It was my impression that people were surprised

01:07:40.200 by how effective that was, but anyway.

01:07:41.660 Yeah, yeah, it has been a bit surprising.

01:07:43.380 Yeah, it has been a little bit surprising.

01:07:45.060 I bet Pete Hegseth and the planners,

01:07:47.560 the two-star planners at the Pentagon,

01:07:49.220 are a bit aghast.

01:07:50.860 Probably thought they'd have this thing wrapped up

01:07:52.500 to a higher degree than it is at the moment, at least.

01:07:55.900 But that's something different, isn't it,

01:07:57.600 to defending this island,

01:08:00.520 this actual bit of land against thousands of Marines

01:08:04.420 and the 82nd Airborne.

01:08:06.640 can they stop that from happening if the donald decides to go if he gives the go signal just

01:08:16.060 looking at it there's so many different spots you could potentially land you know landing craft

01:08:20.900 right if if that's the way they're going to go yeah so it's just it's a small place in the sea

01:08:27.740 really and the americans have got previous the marines even have got previous experience of

01:08:34.260 attacking very small islands.

01:08:36.880 Well, it's sort of what they specialise in, isn't it?

01:08:38.860 Amphibious assaults.

01:08:40.000 That's sort of the whole raison d'etre.

01:08:43.020 Well, yeah.

01:08:43.380 I mean, if we look back through history,

01:08:45.360 well, the Pacific War.

01:08:48.340 Go back to World War II.

01:08:50.740 In 1943, there's Tarawa, the Battle of Tarawa.

01:08:54.840 Well, there's loads.

01:08:55.540 The whole Pacific Island was an exercise in island hopping

01:08:59.220 in various ways.

01:09:01.680 There's Iwo Jima, of course, famously.

01:09:04.260 and okinawa most people have heard of those but there were dozens if not hundreds of small

01:09:09.460 islands that the u.s retook by force and the officer corps you know trained at west point

01:09:16.800 they will be steeped in that history they will know inside out exactly what they failed to do

01:09:22.500 during that war and how how you do it properly and professionally with the least number of

01:09:28.100 how to do it most efficiently basically and now they've got their discombobulator as well

01:09:32.920 What's that?

01:09:33.860 You haven't heard about that discombobulator?

01:09:36.100 When they did that initial strike,

01:09:37.860 Trump was like, they'd never seen anything like it.

01:09:39.820 He was basically saying that the US had almost like alien level weapons

01:09:42.620 that they'd never seen before, and they have this discombobulator

01:09:45.120 that just messes people.

01:09:46.240 They don't know really what's happened.

01:09:47.180 It just messes them up, and they can't even operate their own weapons

01:09:49.700 and things like this.

01:09:50.580 You don't hear about that?

01:09:51.120 I think that was in the initial nuclear,

01:09:54.120 when they went for the Iran nuclear capability the first time.

01:09:56.500 Anyway, sorry, that's a distraction.

01:09:57.740 The Iranians have also been teasing some sort of mystery weapon as well,

01:10:00.860 haven't they?

01:10:01.320 Have you seen this?

01:10:02.620 Yeah, they've sort of, yeah.

01:10:04.340 I don't know how legitimate that is

01:10:05.980 or whether they're bluffing or what the deal is.

01:10:08.180 Yeah, I suppose.

01:10:09.080 Yeah, I guess so.

01:10:10.320 Yeah, the Americans like on the...

01:10:12.200 Are you all right, Nick?

01:10:12.820 I know, it was Venezuelan military equipment

01:10:14.600 when he first used a discombobulator to get Majuro.

01:10:17.940 It describes as a non-kinetic high-tech device

01:10:20.860 that shuts down communications radar and defences.

01:10:23.940 It's like, we've been discombobulated.

01:10:25.700 We don't even know what's happened.

01:10:26.580 It's shut down.

01:10:27.360 It reminds me of the, what was it,

01:10:28.820 the aluminum modulator or something,

01:10:30.980 Marvin the Martian.

01:10:32.620 Yeah, but there's like the Mariana Islands, the Marshall Islands,

01:10:38.020 the Gilbert Islands, Endless Island hopping in the Philippines.

01:10:42.900 It's like the Battle for Saipan, Tinian, Guam, Eniwiniok.

01:10:48.780 Don't know how to pronounce that properly.

01:10:50.380 Or even, what was it, Pelelu.

01:10:53.600 I read a long thing a few weeks back about the retaking of Pelelu

01:10:57.960 and the marines fighting off the beaches.

01:11:03.400 It's basically like just a desert island, isn't it?

01:11:06.960 There's a number of them where it's little more than an atoll,

01:11:10.040 just big enough to build an airstrip on.

01:11:12.940 But they'll send thousands of men on there to casualties

01:11:16.140 in order to get it because it's strategically important.

01:11:19.280 For some reason, I've been reading about the Pacific campaign as well,

01:11:21.640 just out of the blue.

01:11:23.340 Right, yeah.

01:11:24.240 I mean, Iwo Jima is probably the example par excellence of a tiny little rock in the sea,

01:11:29.880 and you send in thousands and thousands of men and take thousands and thousands of casualties.

01:11:34.380 I don't think this will be the same thing.

01:11:36.800 It's a whole different ballgame than the 1944 Pacific.

01:11:41.580 But the point is, the point I'm trying to make, is that the US, they're not coming to this green.

01:11:47.340 in that first article from the from the mail it said said things like that they the americans

01:11:54.380 might not really know what they're doing or they don't really know enough um like they made the

01:11:59.840 example of d-day was planned for months and months and months this will just be a thrown together

01:12:04.020 cobbled together um last ditch no i don't think so no i think the americans have been thinking

01:12:09.600 about well they have been thinking about taking uh carg island by main force for years and years

01:12:17.080 and years and also the planners in the pentagon will know this rock off by heart sorry go on i was

01:12:21.920 just going to say that i imagine that a large portion of the island is like oil export

01:12:26.440 infrastructure and so you can see um it limits their capacity to build defenses and they will

01:12:31.960 make it harder to defend and also if you're next to a great big oil drum you don't want to be stood

01:12:37.360 near that if there are missile strikes and bullets flying right that is one of the things the

01:12:41.880 iranians could do in their defense is sort of a self-sabotage blow these things up make a giant

01:12:46.160 smoke pool various things they could do um but some are saying that you know this is just sort

01:12:52.460 of saber rattling by the donald and they've got no real intention it'd be a crazy thing to actually

01:12:57.100 do it uh but my take is it's looking increasingly more likely so they're sending in a number

01:13:05.060 they're sending there right now a whole number of ships the uss tripoli that's the uss tripoli

01:13:10.320 there another aircraft carrier slightly older slightly smaller one than sort of the gerald

01:13:15.900 r ford class something that is sort of truly for close in combat something like the gerald r ford

01:13:22.840 or something is or the abraham lincoln is so valuable that they keep it at a distance whereas

01:13:28.520 they're saying it looks it looks like they're sending this going to send this into the persian

01:13:32.060 gulf maybe run the gauntlet of that well we'll have to won't you we'll have to run the gauntlet

01:13:36.560 of the homo straits there's another picture of it um the uss new orleans there's the uss new

01:13:44.720 orleans so imagine that's two helipads in the back there yeah and the whole back of it opens up

01:13:51.540 oh so like an amphibious salt yeah look oh these hovercraft are they be boats and or hovercrafts

01:13:59.440 okay exactly for amphibious assaults i mean that's what this ship is for you don't send it to the

01:14:08.240 region unnecessarily almost certainly was specialized isn't it and so you're not going

01:14:13.060 to send a specialist bit of equipment out unless you intend to use it i mean i said that when there

01:14:18.700 was a build-up before this war even started and when uh the pentagon started sending loads if not

01:14:25.920 nearly all their mid-air refueling airplane tanker airplanes to the region and people say no it's

01:14:32.080 still not going to happen it's not going to happen i was like it probably will though because you

01:14:34.980 don't do that otherwise you just don't do it it costs loads of money and stuff to do they wouldn't

01:14:40.920 and the same with this you wouldn't really be sending this into the gulf if that's what they do

01:14:45.460 unless you meant to use it really um that's that's the uss boxer that's the boxer they're

01:14:52.960 another carrier you know an older smaller one one that is sort of no i don't want to say expendable

01:14:58.980 but it's one if you're going to throw it into real danger it's going to take incoming

01:15:03.120 something like the uss boxer is what you send a game where we just put these on screen you

01:15:08.020 have to identify them it's like you bet remember you bet probably before your time it was yeah

01:15:14.020 okay there's the boxer again um another one of these ships yeah i can do it you're reading my

01:15:22.460 notes that is the portland yeah the uss portland um again one of the ships where it's got the the

01:15:31.380 whole back opens up again so you can send thousands of marines in one wave

01:15:37.100 i feel like it's going to happen i might i might be wrong i could be wrong

01:15:42.620 this segment could age poorly but i don't think so um the comm stock the uss comm stock that one

01:15:51.120 another one another one it's like they're gearing up to do an amphibious assault yeah

01:15:58.700 quite blatantly just know they're itching to use this stuff you know you know what the military

01:16:02.460 are like and you know they're always like come on we want this war i just i'm basing this on the

01:16:06.400 film 13 days when they're desperately trying to get kennedy to go to war he doesn't want to

01:16:09.920 cuba missile crisis but they're like come on they're sitting around all day with this amazing

01:16:13.580 equipment you know what i mean sorry carry on and that is definitely a thing in in military

01:16:17.380 is that you've you've supposed you've got to sort of in this their thinking you've got to use this

01:16:22.480 stuff at some point you've sort of got to to justify it all the same sort of mindset that

01:16:27.680 makes you effective in combat of yes i can go there and we can do it um makes you a good soldier

01:16:32.800 but it also makes you very prone to supporting war oh yeah at the same time i mean if you're in

01:16:38.740 the pentagon you will support war you will be hawkish won't you nearly always by the nature

01:16:44.920 of it oh look there's a picture of that that fictional island in that game you're talking

01:16:48.160 about i've never played it but you know it well so you know it well do you you've actually played

01:16:53.020 this map yeah loads of times okay it does look like fun isn't it the russians in the game is

01:16:59.760 it's the russians have taken karg island and you've got to take it back off them or something

01:17:03.500 okay all right so you also play as the russians is you know play each side a little bit of the

01:17:08.740 politics now um well my take is that if the americans do send in the 82nd and the marines

01:17:14.840 i suspect they will take that island relatively quickly and easily who knows the iranians may

01:17:22.380 have some special weapon or they'll they'll absolutely swamp it with uh missiles and drones

01:17:28.940 and the americans will be sent packing i i don't think so but we should see my opinion is that

01:17:38.980 this is probably you know this this conflict is a mistake but i also don't want the u.s to do badly

01:17:45.040 i i'm you know i'm rooting for you i don't want you to take any losses if possible um because i'm

01:17:51.540 fan of iran but at the same time um it's a big risk it's a big destabilizing force and also you

01:17:58.960 don't exactly know what you're up against and how things are going to go yeah the fog of war

01:18:04.680 yeah once you roll the dice like most battle plans go out the window quite quickly when faced

01:18:12.180 with battlefield reality but we shall see a little bit of the politics then in this article at least

01:18:18.180 It says, a furious Republican storm out of secret Iran briefing.

01:18:21.900 It's not that secret.

01:18:23.460 As shifting objectives spark panic.

01:18:27.000 And this story is basically saying that, among other people,

01:18:29.600 Congresswoman Nancy Mace, that's her, I believe,

01:18:34.200 she came out and she was at liberty to just talk to the media and things

01:18:37.420 straight after they let her and some other important people

01:18:41.740 into some of the thinking of what's going on.

01:18:44.720 and she said things like

01:18:47.460 what we've been told before

01:18:50.880 about the regime change

01:18:52.860 and the various objectives of this war

01:18:55.420 is not really what we've just been told

01:18:57.340 and when asked specifically about the Karg Island

01:18:59.980 she said what we've just been told is jaw-dropping

01:19:03.200 and their plans will blow your brains out

01:19:06.600 metaphorically

01:19:07.780 I think she's speaking

01:19:09.020 Interesting turn of phrase though, yeah

01:19:10.440 So again, that says to me

01:19:12.240 they're just definitely going to do it

01:19:13.280 They're going to do it

01:19:13.980 Don't let her in the meeting, that's all I mean.

01:19:16.680 Don't go and immediately tell her,

01:19:18.180 you wouldn't believe what we're going to do to Carg Island

01:19:19.840 at 8.47 tomorrow.

01:19:21.320 You do it.

01:19:22.960 Well, they have to brief certain people

01:19:25.420 and they know that somebody like that

01:19:27.780 is going to be asked by the media and they're at liberty.

01:19:32.160 So they wouldn't have let her in the room at all

01:19:33.920 if they didn't want,

01:19:35.200 they didn't expect something like that to leak.

01:19:37.360 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:39.220 So there you go.

01:19:40.000 Other people said, no, she's off her trolley.

01:19:42.080 That's not right.

01:19:42.640 However, White House spokesman Anna Kelly disputed Nancy Macy's comments, saying it was completely false.

01:19:50.920 So there's a few things whirling around at the moment.

01:19:56.380 The other thing to mention, I thought of note, is apparently, again, according to the mail,

01:20:02.720 that Trump is mulling sending 10,000 more ground troops to the Middle East amid peace talks.

01:20:09.040 because they've already got before this war ever started the number of bases and things they've got

01:20:12.760 in and around the region had something like 50 000 personnel already military personnel you know

01:20:18.700 only a small number of those are actual sort of combat ready marines or anything but still 50

01:20:24.120 000 people in the region now they're sending thousands more of like the most hardcore guys

01:20:29.660 actual combat marines in the 82nd air ball like the air ball as i say they don't muck around they're

01:20:35.940 there to kill and destroy things that's what paratroopers do they're there to drop behind

01:20:39.980 enemy lines and cause chaos that's what they do that's all they do really so all right and trump's

01:20:45.980 thinking about sending 10 000 more boots on the ground so it will be limited right it's not a

01:20:52.860 full-blown 2003 send in the big red one division after division of tanks it's not that is it but

01:20:59.720 it is boots on the ground and i think it's going to happen shortly imminently like this weekend or

01:21:07.380 next week at some point maybe probably we shall see um but there you go there you go that's the

01:21:13.540 update and i think that's my time up okay um we have any video comments samson oh i'll leave you

01:21:21.000 to it i'll quickly read out a comment while samson's um pulling those up um baron von warhawk

01:21:28.860 says for your segment nick i thought you're gonna do the rumble things do not do them um it's just

01:21:33.920 that samsa's got the mouse at the minute i'm sure i'd forgive those uh unvirtuous women but i sure

01:21:39.840 as hell wouldn't put a ring on their fingers which i think is perfectly reasonable okay

01:21:46.160 you people watching right now you should definitely come to the live event because

01:21:52.540 i'll be there i have my event ticket i have my plane ticket i'm just waiting for my visa acceptance

01:21:59.720 so check out my art gallery at instagram the doggy dane or just amelius united and

01:22:07.720 really looking forward to meet people and talk at the live event it's going to be so much fun

01:22:13.800 i'm looking forward to it it's gonna be good it's been a long time since we've done a live

01:22:19.000 event isn't it yeah three or four years or something yeah long overdue but um it'll be good

01:22:24.880 fun i i think um it's gonna be a lovely atmosphere is that it okay um okay um some rumble rants

01:22:36.680 quickly uh bucka says i suggest you guys watch history legend video on taking the island to

01:22:43.560 realize that Ukraine Russia and Iran has changed way of warfare so much that you are so wrong in

01:22:52.680 sleepwalking to disaster well I'm not the one leading the US so I'm just speculating I don't

01:23:00.240 know yeah tell it to the divisional commander of the 82nd Airborne I mean what do you want but

01:23:05.960 thank you for the two dollars um Habsification says this segment is called boat spotting with

01:23:12.220 bow um and bold eagle says the initial assault will go in the u.s's favor afterwards all the

01:23:19.440 troops on there are going to be at the mercy of iranian missiles and drones there is no cover on

01:23:24.280 that island from those i did think that actually um sigil stone says the u.s strategy is to drop

01:23:30.580 crates of crayons on the island then dump the marines just offshore telling them you want fed

01:23:35.880 the crayons are on that island nice reference there um i feel like i can't say that though

01:23:42.780 not being american um hapsification for my segment i i really hope for more automation and less

01:23:49.920 slavery that would be nice wouldn't it um yes same with immigration really it's like everything's

01:23:55.820 going to be automated no one's going to have a job anyway here's infinite migration uh would you

01:24:01.560 like to read some of your comments yeah we got reese sim the problem with many of these born

01:24:05.500 again women is that they expect immediate forgiveness rather than seeking it through

01:24:08.660 repentance if a woman comes to realize her lifestyle is wrong turns away from that lifestyle

01:24:12.540 and gives up any wealth assets received from it then she can be forgiven i think that's probably

01:24:18.100 what the woman was i don't know about her assets i don't know if she had any but she certainly

01:24:20.640 seemed to change her lifestyle completely uh hector rex listen god still knows everything

01:24:26.060 you did he forgives not forgets well that's true he certainly um will know um that's a random name

01:24:32.760 I will only ever buy that these women are truly repenting

01:24:36.200 when they delete all their social media and go completely off-grid,

01:24:38.580 but they don't because it's all a grift.

01:24:40.600 Certainly a reasonable point.

01:24:42.280 Alistair Crowley, holy cuck, yeah, fair, or arguably fair.

01:24:47.720 Derek Power, for the Orthodox, this coming Sunday

01:24:50.380 will be the Sunday dedicated to St. Mary of Egypt,

01:24:52.560 a textbook case of someone who started out as a harlot

01:24:54.740 but then spent the remainder of her life in the desert and in repentance.

01:24:57.820 It is only possible if it is sincere.

01:24:59.440 That's right, more chicks should be put into the desert

01:25:01.760 to repent

01:25:02.980 sent to the desert

01:25:04.040 Brian Clark

01:25:04.960 he and the pastor

01:25:06.080 definitely look gay

01:25:06.900 she looks Jewish

01:25:08.300 or Italian

01:25:08.780 yes

01:25:09.780 fair play

01:25:12.040 what do you say to that

01:25:13.220 not much I can add to that

01:25:14.360 yeah

01:25:14.620 talking about her nose

01:25:15.980 is that what that was

01:25:16.820 I just thought

01:25:17.240 I think he was talking about

01:25:17.980 her overall

01:25:18.640 she looks like Josh

01:25:19.740 basically

01:25:20.120 swarthy

01:25:21.180 the lot I've been looking

01:25:25.980 I don't know

01:25:26.920 what you're annoyed about

01:25:28.280 she looks like Josh

01:25:30.100 was the part

01:25:30.720 mainly

01:25:31.140 i meant dark hair okay you're not like the anglos here who are just pure i was gonna say i haven't

01:25:38.880 got that gummy smile no i didn't mean any of that i just meant i just meant like it could be

01:25:43.100 italian okay okay you're redeemed i'll forgive you now i was trying to take the focus off like

01:25:48.780 the intensive like the dodginess of that comment bring it to like a comic point then you got

01:25:52.780 annoyed i can't win here today guys olive skin dark hair brown eyes that's what i'm saying

01:25:57.420 it's from scotland all right i promise um michael says uh surprised to hear such a common sense

01:26:03.700 argument from uk representatives um especially with uh you haven't called him this but keir

01:26:09.880 starmer is pm you'd think um he'd have appointed a wokey well it was sort of couched in woke language

01:26:16.400 wasn't it but we don't have the money to give so we can't really indulge it at the minute regardless

01:26:21.040 even if you are woke and sympathetic to the arguments

01:26:23.960 as they presented it.

01:26:26.300 Didn't David Lammy stand up in the Oxford Union

01:26:29.480 and argue for reparations?

01:26:31.240 Yes.

01:26:31.780 He did, didn't he?

01:26:32.960 The current Justice Secretary in Cabinet.

01:26:37.100 An absolute stain on our great nation.

01:26:39.700 One of the biggest beasts in the Labour Party, politically.

01:26:44.280 And physically.

01:26:46.800 Baron von Warhawk says,

01:26:48.340 Ever since 1960, the Western nations have sent over 2.6 trillion to Africa.

01:26:53.100 I know we've made a big mistake there.

01:26:55.220 The Soviet Union sent 808 million in aid to Africa and modern Russia has sent 4 billion in aid.

01:27:01.160 China has invested 180 billion in attempts to build African infrastructure.

01:27:05.720 All that money did jack to fix the continent.

01:27:08.200 At some point, the human race has to accept that Africa is a money pit.

01:27:12.120 And no matter how much money you give to them, it will just be wasted.

01:27:15.600 Yeah, I think that what foreign aid basically is, is taking money from poor people in your country and giving it to rich people in a third world country.

01:27:25.140 That's how it actually functions.

01:27:26.960 And quite often, giving aid money to a country worsens it because it entrenches the corrupt system in which creates the conditions in the first place.

01:27:35.800 So you also create learned helplessness.

01:27:38.360 So it's not helping them.

01:27:39.960 I'll read one more short one.

01:27:41.760 Lord Inquisitor Hector X says, after deducting bikes and cell phones, Africa owes the West trillions.

01:27:49.800 Okay, for my segment, we've got Paul Neubauer, who says,

01:27:55.220 Iran has been in a forever war against the US and committed numerous acts of war.

01:28:00.440 And finally, we have a president willing to put an end to it.

01:28:04.380 Hopefully, and very soon, you know, even though I'm against the conflict,

01:28:08.540 I don't want it to be long and protracted,

01:28:10.600 and I want there to be as few losses as possible.

01:28:13.760 Thirsty King says, don't worry, guys.

01:28:15.240 I've already stormed Karg Island, defeated the Iranians,

01:28:18.380 and captured the entire thing in Battlefield 3.

01:28:22.360 You're in Minecraft.

01:28:24.180 Ben Gale says, trying to capture Karg Island would be a disaster.

01:28:27.400 It would be like trying to take Iwo Jima, but with drones,

01:28:30.280 and with the whole island being within range of guided missiles fire

01:28:33.140 from the Iranian mainland.

01:28:35.000 I mean, yeah, yeah, you're right.

01:28:36.340 That's got to be their worry, isn't it?

01:28:37.740 like the initial thing of storming the beaches and taking that island within an hour or two

01:28:41.520 okay yeah but then but then what yeah you make a good point any of those ships yeah i mean that's

01:28:47.200 the worry isn't it obviously many of those ships that they're bringing in um have the anti-missile

01:28:51.920 technology on them which i think is part of the reason they're bringing them in right oh and those

01:28:55.460 ships won't be those two carriers and things and those they'll be part of a group yeah and the

01:29:01.020 americans will be doing everything they can to keep the airspace free of missiles and drones

01:29:05.700 in coming. Of course they will. They're not actually not stupid. They know that is going

01:29:10.460 to be the case. So I imagine they will ring that island with as much anti-air defence

01:29:15.540 as they possibly can.

01:29:16.800 Well, I mean, it's the best equipped military in the world. So they're going to do everything

01:29:20.780 they can, I think.

01:29:22.120 Michael J. Belbis says, to be clear, Iran has been overdue for a pasting since 1979.

01:29:30.740 Hopefully this will cut off the funds to the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah and an S-ton of

01:29:35.460 other terrorist operatives might silence Hassan Paikar as well.

01:29:40.880 Worth it just for that, wouldn't it?

01:29:43.140 I don't think we should conduct geopolitical military operations

01:29:46.820 with any regard for how it affects Hassan Paikar.

01:29:51.000 Quite right, quite right.

01:29:52.140 And on that note, enjoy your weekend.

01:29:54.860 Thank you for watching.

01:29:56.080 Tune in to the Gold Tier Zoom call at three o'clock today

01:29:58.800 to talk to Harry and Stelios.

01:30:01.280 Thank you very much for watching.

01:30:02.480 thank you to both of you and goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 27, 2026

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