The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1386

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast, The Lotus Eaters, for Tuesday

00:00:03.520 the 31st of March, 2026. I'm joined by Harry and Peter McCormack and Simon Evans. We've

00:00:09.040 got a packed show today. We're going to be talking about how we're just suffering under

00:00:13.300 a dead parliament walking, but we're going to be talking about the nature of the political

00:00:17.320 collapse in the country, because everyone can see it. And essentially, we're kind of

00:00:22.120 everyone's just waiting for the old detritus to be washed away, aren't they, at this point?

00:00:28.320 Then we're going to be talking about how actually you don't need

00:00:30.980 infinite slave labour to do agriculture in the 21st century.

00:00:35.200 There have been, what were they called, technological advancements?

00:00:38.340 Yes.

00:00:38.500 Something like that? My God.

00:00:39.340 Automation. The cows can milk themselves now.

00:00:42.920 I've seen that video.

00:00:45.920 Then you were as impressed as I was.

00:00:49.420 And then we're going to be talking about how Restore Britain is actually on the march.

00:00:52.780 And if judging by our first branch meeting yesterday is anything to go by,

00:00:57.100 uh there are some people who are worried about this so um right let's uh let's begin um so uh

00:01:04.640 if we go to the polls quickly if we can get the right one up please there we go um this this is

00:01:10.200 a very bizarre split in the polls at the moment this is the poll of polls on politico as is the

00:01:16.120 average of all the polling and so that's not good for anyone i mean maybe it's good for zach polanski

00:01:23.800 in the Greens. He's probably the only person who's actually winning out of this. But that is a

00:01:28.420 country that is politically shattered and fragmented. As you can see, Nigel Farage has

00:01:33.580 definitely gone on his downswing. He was averaging around 30-31% sort of almost a year ago. Now he's

00:01:41.700 on 25% on average, which is not a government in waiting, I'm sorry to say. And then you've got

00:01:47.680 the Greens, Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems as the only other viable parties. So what do we

00:01:53.860 make of this, folks? Is it a reflection of the fact, has Farage adopted the Ming-Var strategy

00:02:00.120 too soon? Quite possibly. Everyone said about Starmer he just had to not make any significant

00:02:05.600 blunders. He was going to pass the ball into the back of the net, and indeed they did. But you can't

00:02:11.880 sustain that for an entire parliament, I don't think, can you? You've got to show that you've

00:02:15.820 got some substance to you and also I think I mean this is just off the top of my head but I think

00:02:22.680 people do associate Farage with Trump to some extent and the fact that Trump's weather has

00:02:27.440 changed dramatically in the last few weeks and months may also be part of that same hang on have

00:02:32.420 we been bedazzled by our own populist you know reassuring yeah quite possibly I think the Farage

00:02:39.280 made a few dramatic mistakes in bringing so many Tories into his party as well I really think the

00:02:45.800 has put him on a set of rails now that has not impressed the public generally and i think that's

00:02:51.580 probably a large part of it as well definitely it's been i mean i'm you know i don't have a dog

00:02:56.100 in either fight but um i i think it was very disappointing to see him shore up reform with

00:03:02.900 just so many damaged goods it just seems extraordinary the whole point of them was

00:03:06.260 it supposed to be like we've had enough of the uni party now please welcome ex-uni party member

00:03:11.200 not just from the tories though from labor as well yeah they've been taking in the boris wave

00:03:15.740 for some reason i think this is just a reflection of the failure of the state uh you've still got a

00:03:21.240 bunch of people holding on to the hope that they can vote harder and things will get better and

00:03:25.120 there's a lot of apathy and i'm one of those well i'm voting harder there was a yeah but i think it's

00:03:30.700 a it's a reflection of that if i think people know there's a problem with the state whether

00:03:35.460 you're on the left or the right yeah and people are just kind of hoping where should i put my vote

00:03:40.300 you know if i put it with the greens will something get better when i think the problem

00:03:44.280 is the state itself and i just think i think what would be interesting to know here is actually the

00:03:48.740 non-voting number because it was 40 percent in the last oh yeah and and those are the people

00:03:53.080 that really checked out and don't care anymore and everyone else is just trying to vote harder

00:03:56.900 to make change but don't really know where to put their vote do you when you say state do you mean

00:04:00.820 the civil service i mean the the complete architecture of the government so you would

00:04:04.800 what demolish the house of commons or uh no not myself no you're asking what would i do to fix

00:04:12.440 this country. Do you not want to see, I mean, parliamentary democracy is a fairly sort of

00:04:16.460 uniform phenomenon. I mean, maybe we need a French model with the president or something. Is that the

00:04:21.560 sort of thing you think would... I mean, I'm open to discuss it all. I mean, personally, if we have

00:04:25.680 to stick with party politics, I would want to abolish as much of the state as possible, as much

00:04:29.480 of the legislation, taxation, ministries as possible. I think we have a state that is far

00:04:35.640 too big, corrupt and doesn't work. So, I mean, all of those points are demonstrably true, and I'm not

00:04:40.320 challenging any of them but i suspect that's not what's going through the minds of the voters

00:04:44.280 i suspect what they think what they're thinking is actually i i wish i could find a politics that

00:04:50.820 would actually serve the interests that i actually have um as in i would like the cost of living

00:04:56.620 crisis to be solved i would like lower immigration i would like to see police actually solving crimes

00:05:01.940 and things like this and and so i think that people aren't so much uh thinking in those terms

00:05:05.860 but they're more downstream of that when they're thinking about this.

00:05:10.200 Yeah, and interestingly, I think a lot of green voters and reform voters

00:05:14.080 kind of want some of the same things.

00:05:16.240 They've just got different solutions.

00:05:18.460 But I think we really do need a strong anti-establishment movement in this country,

00:05:22.100 and we had it under reform.

00:05:23.540 I think, yeah, they were the kings in waiting

00:05:26.980 because there was an anti-establishment movement

00:05:29.620 that was going to kind of fix some of these problems.

00:05:32.800 But as reform have become the establishment,

00:05:34.620 you've seen what's happening to the polling and and so yeah i think it's i think it's a really sad

00:05:38.920 state of affairs it is and so one of the one of the things that has come out of this i think is

00:05:44.480 the most notable is basically the death of the labor and conservative parties right um nigel

00:05:49.720 farage was saying how the conservatives aren't a national party anymore which basically is true

00:05:54.340 actually in the same way the lib dems are not actually a national party they're the party of

00:05:58.200 the sort of affluent southwest uh the conservatives are going to become the party of the kind of

00:06:03.340 affluent and aged southeast uh the greens will end up being the party of the inner cities so

00:06:09.360 students and migrants and the labor party will become the party of the civil service

00:06:14.760 it's extraordinary trajectory for the conservatives especially considering that

00:06:19.100 cameron did a lot of work to try and update and modernize their image their profile

00:06:22.680 bringing in a lot of uh yeah a lot of specifically and announced that we need to get minorities

00:06:28.660 is invisible in the cabinet, you know.

00:06:31.260 And, yeah, it's unintended consequences.

00:06:34.100 Exactly.

00:06:34.640 He turned it into an explicitly Blairite party

00:06:36.760 and look at where they've ended up.

00:06:38.860 And so everyone hates the Conservatives

00:06:41.740 for being rubbish backstabbers.

00:06:43.820 Everyone hates the Labour Party

00:06:45.020 for being rubbish backstabbers.

00:06:47.160 And I think what we're seeing from this,

00:06:49.020 what we can really draw from this,

00:06:49.880 is that everyone just wants something else.

00:06:52.040 The consensus of the 20th century,

00:06:55.060 which is you're getting it in blue or red,

00:06:56.600 however you like it,

00:06:57.480 I think that's over right I think you know when you've only got what 34 percent of people who

00:07:03.160 would still vote Labour and Conservative they're done they're both cooked I remember the first

00:07:07.740 term of Tony Blair and the extent to which the Tories looked like they'd almost been wiped out

00:07:12.400 and you were waiting to see whether they could revive and they took three terms to do so you

00:07:16.220 know but they did come back and there was never any really plausible alternative opposition during

00:07:21.080 that time this is obviously what's changed now people have accepted that plausible alternative

00:07:25.520 oppositions can be a thing i think this is way more existential for the labour party

00:07:29.380 um conservatives i can see that there's reform voters who are now thinking well i'll go back to

00:07:36.560 the conservatives or go to restore i think it's way more existential for the labour party i think

00:07:41.220 they're functionally finished as a as a party i could also see a scenario where the conservatives

00:07:46.720 and reform do form some kind of merger because if the reform trajectory virtually have already

00:07:52.580 haven't they yeah and if you look at the trajectory of the reform party i mean it's it's very easy to

00:07:58.200 come out as anti-establishment i don't think you can flip back to anti-establishment once you

00:08:02.840 drift to establishment nobody will believe you anymore i don't think anyone trusts the party

00:08:06.880 anymore this is exactly what happened with the canadian reform party isn't it yes sprung up

00:08:11.620 got great ground and then just merged into the conservative party to thoroughly disappoint

00:08:16.400 everyone as you can imagine but i think i think you're exactly right on this right i think that

00:08:20.580 the Conservatives probably can survive as a kind of local southeast regional party for the leafy

00:08:26.360 shires, right? They probably will limp on for many, many years to go. But I think you're completely

00:08:32.120 right. I think the Labour Party, because I mean, for the Conservatives, the coalition that made up

00:08:36.280 the Conservative Party, at least that makes sense for it, right? You've got the sort of, you know,

00:08:40.380 wealthy retirees who need to protect their pensions. So that's why they vote Conservative.

00:08:45.620 But the Labour Party used to be, well, essentially the party of the working class, of course, all

00:08:50.260 throughout the 20th century and the working class being a large constituency in the country

00:08:53.240 meant they always had a very very firm voter block but then under tony blair there was a kind of

00:08:58.120 liberal jihad middle-class jihad that went through the labor party where the managerial elites took

00:09:03.200 it over and that meant okay well we've brought in another constituent which is essentially the

00:09:08.280 statists and i'm always loath to use the term status because i think libertarians abuse that

00:09:12.840 term a bit but these but these people literally are statists as in they think the managerial

00:09:17.940 state needs to interfere with every aspect of government. And so they brought in loads of

00:09:22.620 migrants, loads of foreigners to be a voting bloc. Well, that's come back to bite them in the rear,

00:09:27.220 as you can see by the rise of the Greens, because they actually are not wedded to...

00:09:30.520 They also encouraged young people into university in large numbers in order to create a voting bloc

00:09:36.480 as well. That's correct. But they're also going to the Greens. And so the Labour Party essentially

00:09:40.780 are now the party of the civil service, which means that's a large voting bloc in and of itself,

00:09:45.120 but it's not anywhere near a majority and so the reason i bring all of this up is because as it

00:09:50.840 stands at the moment out of the 24 front bench labor politicians currently in the government

00:09:56.380 19 of them are predicted to lose their seats in the next election wow only 19 only 19 right but

00:10:03.480 that that i mean that is a bloodbath right and we'll go through some of it so you've got uh

00:10:07.720 starmer in holborn and saint pancras right and there are some interesting um commonalities that

00:10:14.620 you'll find through these seats so you obviously you've got starmer here the the predictive green

00:10:19.200 70 chance for electoral calculus i think that he's going to get wiped and because of course a lot of

00:10:24.280 his voters are going to the green party and uh a portion of them going to reform but no it's it's

00:10:30.640 likely to be a green win but then when you look at the uh actual demographics well what's here

00:10:36.120 55 white people in his constituency and so okay you you you're the party who brought in the

00:10:43.980 diversity and what's the diversity doing well the diversity is betraying you actually they're going

00:10:48.940 to another party uh so the prime minister getting unseated in an election even if they don't win

00:10:54.580 the government is a highly unusual thing in fact i can't even think of a time when it's actually

00:11:00.100 happened uh i guess i don't know i can't think of a time when it's actually happened when has a

00:11:06.860 prime minister ever actually lost their seat even if they lose the government no i can't think of

00:11:11.380 so this is the historic mismanagement of things as Labour have done so Starmer will lose his seat

00:11:19.360 it's likely but then also you've got just the rest of the Labour right here's Shibana Mahmood's seat

00:11:24.180 in Birmingham Ladywood again highly predicted to go to the Greens because the Muslim community

00:11:31.260 has flipped to the Green Party the Labour it used to be that I think it was something like 96 percent

00:11:37.940 of muslims in britain voted labour until very very recently where they've decided and we saw

00:11:43.560 this in gorton and denton actually we can just come out for the green party and they kind of

00:11:49.180 similar to what happened to labour in scotland you get a sort of went to the smp yeah yeah yeah

00:11:54.240 sort of almost single issue party yeah yeah uh and of course i mean the demographics in birmingham

00:11:59.380 ladywood 22 percent white and this was this was from the 2021 census as well so these these

00:12:06.420 demographics are... About six years

00:12:08.500 out of date. Yeah, they're about six years out of date.

00:12:10.080 The census was taken

00:12:12.280 in 2020, which would be

00:12:14.340 pre-Boris Wave for the most part.

00:12:16.400 Absolutely correct. So it's pre-Boris Wave.

00:12:18.900 So Shabana Mahmood

00:12:19.740 going to lose her seat. And that's the

00:12:22.260 Home Secretary. So it's, okay, that's

00:12:24.160 again, unprecedented. And a Muslim Home Secretary

00:12:26.440 clearly intended to

00:12:28.380 reassure, but not... Absolutely.

00:12:30.260 But the problem that she has is that

00:12:31.760 she's actually right wing.

00:12:33.840 They always complain about her being on the Labour right.

00:12:35.980 and she's more right-wing than Farage is on all these issues.

00:12:39.080 We talk about the ethnic vote,

00:12:40.760 but I do think that a lot of young people are going to the Greens as well,

00:12:44.540 purely because of the fact that Labour are no longer seen as a left-wing party.

00:12:49.320 I think that's ridiculous, but of course I see both the Conservatives and Labour

00:12:53.860 and all of these as various shades of rather radical extremist left-wing tendencies, frankly.

00:12:59.560 But they are seen as part of the centrist, centre-right,

00:13:04.740 many people would consider it to be uniparty.

00:13:07.500 Well, let me give you an example.

00:13:09.820 They're just seen as the establishment.

00:13:11.660 The Greens are perceived by a lot of young people,

00:13:13.900 whether or not they fall directly in line with their own personal politics

00:13:17.260 as being an anti-establishment party.

00:13:19.920 I've said it a few times, this is anecdotal,

00:13:21.980 but I've run into a friend or two back home at the pub

00:13:25.740 who have said, oh, I found your Twitter account.

00:13:28.500 And I'm like, oh God, here we go.

00:13:29.720 And they go, oh no, I agreed with everything on it.

00:13:32.160 And it's like, oh, okay, not what I was expecting.

00:13:34.200 and we start talking a bit of politics and I say well who are you thinking of voting for for the

00:13:37.800 next election then and they say well greens and it doesn't really make sense to me but from the

00:13:44.500 perspective of well who do I have to vote for I have establishment in blue establishment in teal

00:13:50.940 or establishment in red or this party that looks anti-establishment to me they're going to go with

00:13:57.060 the one that looks anti-establishment yeah and you're absolutely right reform just don't look

00:14:01.740 anti-establishment at this point. So why would you want them? So anyway, let me give you an

00:14:06.180 example of what you're talking about there. For example, Hilary Benn in Leeds South. Leeds South

00:14:11.460 is a constituency where it's still 68% ethnic white. I mean, that's probably gone down by

00:14:17.060 probably 5 or 6%, but still majority white area. But that's going to go green as well,

00:14:22.700 probably. That'll reform. It's on a bit of a knife edge. But the point that you're making is,

00:14:27.860 i think correct a lot of young people just view the greens as just it's not the system the question

00:14:33.880 i suppose with the young people always is will they actually vote i mean that's historically

00:14:37.220 been their problem hasn't it they will respond to pollsters and they will go on marches and they'll

00:14:41.320 wave banners and then on the the important thursday they lie in and um correct and forget

00:14:46.360 they're at college yeah i wonder if as things become more and more existential for young people

00:14:51.280 looking to the future and seeing that the economy is going down the drain everything's more expensive

00:14:55.940 everything's worse the high street is completely destroyed and then if you're a white uh englishman

00:15:01.140 who's very young you also see that it's increasingly likely that when the next generations

00:15:05.620 die well when the older generations die off you may be left as a minority within your own homeland

00:15:11.300 that kind of renewed pressure on them might get them out to the actual voting booths so this was

00:15:17.300 the one i actually meant to bring up for you one uh hove and portslate that's me that is you isn't

00:15:21.480 it uh it's it's still um 86 percent white i mean it's still a very white area roughly like me but

00:15:29.140 but they're they're going green more like carl really yeah yeah no he's actually more like me

00:15:33.140 um but they're going green that's interesting how low reform is as well made no impact at all

00:15:38.100 because historically when we moved there in 2007 i had a tory mp and had had for many years and it

00:15:44.460 used to be it was even a hotbed of the like the national front i think like over along to worthing

00:15:49.580 there were union jacks in front gardens and things well they've managed to turn it into libtard central

00:15:53.940 yeah um and so yeah it looks like this is exactly what you're talking about it's not that it's

00:16:00.740 ethnic minorities voting for the greens it's going to be disaffected labor voters who are

00:16:04.700 like but you're not actually a left-wing party can i say this is just personal but from living

00:16:09.280 there i feel it's a slightly different thing with the greens as it was in brighton i think it would

00:16:13.040 fall into the bracket of luxury beliefs i think it's something that they it's almost virtue

00:16:17.360 signaling you know well some of their policies but also the greens with you know people were

00:16:22.340 very critical of hannah spencer but for a lot of people she did come across as much more relatable

00:16:28.300 and much more personable and much more like a real actual human being yeah than somebody like

00:16:33.840 for instance matt goodwin who comes across like a spitting image puppet having uh prompted your

00:16:41.260 suspicions uh yeah i mean i we don't need to go into it now but um but there's a lot of simple

00:16:46.600 messaging and vibes based messaging coming from the green party yes which appeals to young people

00:16:51.740 i was in i was in my gym the other day and there's a young girl working at the till she's doing a

00:16:55.680 levels i was chatting to her and she was saying she was doing economics i was like oh fascinating

00:16:59.480 so who would you vote for and she said the green party and so which obviously makes no any sense

00:17:05.740 to anybody who understands this is like a series of puzzles in which the answer is always the green

00:17:09.360 party i want to see an end to immigration well that was the confusing thing with my friends

00:17:14.960 where it's like oh you agree with everything on my twitter account and yet exactly yeah and yet

00:17:20.240 you're going for the party that's going to be as open borders as possible and sees the entire world

00:17:25.360 as a british citizen in waiting but at the same time again that's not how they're considering it

00:17:30.220 what part of dancing on a stage in a leather thong in trafalgar square do you not understand

00:17:34.340 for people who are just worried about the money that they're having to spend day in day out

00:17:39.720 they're hearing the green party who come across again much more like real people

00:17:43.740 say we're going to do whatever we can to make your life less expensive to make it so that you're not

00:17:51.600 having to struggle day in day out and whatever the specifics behind it that might not all add

00:17:56.820 up and make sense most people are not econ nerds even econ nerds studying economics at university

00:18:03.680 are not really econ nerds in the way that you would expect them to be they're not studying

00:18:09.220 real economics they're studying keynesian economics but they'll be they'll be studying

00:18:12.280 the government money printer yeah but i think you're right about this vibe-based politics

00:18:16.240 about intentionality right they they perceive from the green party there is an intention to

00:18:21.080 help a regular person who's just struggling with their bills whether that's going to happen or not

00:18:25.220 it's kind of irrelevant because at the end of the day look at the tracks we're on at the moment at

00:18:29.020 the end there's no light at the end of the tunnel anyway even if these people are crazy well it's

00:18:32.840 no crazier than the plan for destruction that we're heading down but look at the messaging

00:18:36.900 again it's very simple it's hope not hate so if you don't vote for us you're hateful or it's

00:18:41.800 marching against the far right and the fascist so if you vote for us or you're a fascist tax

00:18:46.640 the billionaires obviously there's a economic problem but it's the billionaires for so it's

00:18:50.660 demonizing wealth so it's a very simple message for a young person to understand oh look they're

00:18:54.760 fun they dance they dress well they're hopeful they're nice they're kind it's a very easy thing

00:19:00.240 for a young undeveloped brain to follow but if you don't actually understand history or economics

00:19:04.560 because these people aren't studying history.

00:19:07.000 They aren't studying economics in the way they should be.

00:19:09.560 And so they buy and they vote based on vibes.

00:19:11.360 It's the Mandami effect.

00:19:12.480 Yeah, no, no, I agree with you.

00:19:14.120 Anyway, so you've got other seats such as Rachel Reeves in the north,

00:19:19.440 where, again, her seat, if you see, is mostly ethnic white people.

00:19:24.060 And she's going to reform.

00:19:26.380 So this is quite a common thing.

00:19:28.300 You know, Rachel Reeves, again, Chancellor of the Exchequer.

00:19:30.560 Do they lose their seats even if they lose the government?

00:19:33.420 I'm not sure.

00:19:34.020 but she's going to uh then you've got uh yvette cooper here who again reform just you know she's

00:19:41.320 going to get trounced by reform she's going to be co-hosting with ed yeah she no no she absolutely

00:19:46.640 is and the you know lisa nandy in wigan again just going to get absolutely trounced so you can see

00:19:52.460 that there's there's a distinct sort of draining out of the coalition of labor the the working

00:19:58.040 class of the north is going to the right the immigrants and the student vote is going to the

00:20:02.620 left, and the Labour Party are left literally representing virtually nobody. Nobody actually

00:20:09.200 wants these people.

00:20:10.420 Because they don't represent anybody.

00:20:12.660 They just represent the civil service.

00:20:14.500 Well, that's the point. I want to say, I do think you're not giving young people quite

00:20:19.020 enough credit, and I think it's a little bit dismissive to just be like, oh, well, they're

00:20:23.300 undeveloped brains. Because again, what you're saying there is that the establishment parties,

00:20:28.600 and I include reform in this as well. For young people, they don't look like they actually

00:20:32.960 represent you, they look like they represent their own interests and whatever ground reform

00:20:37.720 may have been gaining, they have completely tossed away by going, oh well, here's everybody that you

00:20:43.160 remember and that you hate from the Tory party of Boris Johnson's government, right? And so they're

00:20:49.760 looking at all of these parties and saying, well none of them represent me, none of them seem to

00:20:54.540 represent real um real people in this country the greens whatever else you may say about them look

00:21:00.880 more as though they are trying to represent real people than just their own interests like all of

00:21:06.380 these other parties are and this is where there is the gap that restore needs to fill that i'm sure

00:21:11.180 that we'll talk about more in the third segment but it's that restore need to and i think they

00:21:17.100 can do a good job of a good job of this as they progress towards 2029 just look like they are

00:21:22.580 real people who have the same concerns as all of the rest of you represented by people who are not

00:21:29.240 completely disconnected from reality completely disconnected from the real issues that people

00:21:34.400 are going through day in day out young old in between whatever that's what restore needs to do

00:21:39.940 from the right in a realistic fashion then i stand by my point their brains are undeveloped

00:21:44.300 because they are picking leaders of this country based on their personality content well look at

00:21:48.640 Just let me finish my point.

00:21:50.780 This is a great and easy example at the moment,

00:21:53.180 is that if you're going to be voting,

00:21:55.000 you should be at least challenging policy.

00:21:56.500 So the Green Party came out recently and said,

00:22:00.320 we're going to increase renters' rights.

00:22:03.960 Now, if you look what's happened in Spain,

00:22:05.740 they've tried it and it's failed.

00:22:07.220 You look at Argentina, they've reversed their renters' bill

00:22:10.600 and it's reduced the cost of rent.

00:22:14.200 And so there's a perfect example where the economics

00:22:16.720 is proving that the policy doesn't work now you can put this to one of these voters and they'll

00:22:22.360 still defend it as a policy so despite all the evidence against it being a failure it increasing

00:22:27.160 rents uh reducing the stock reducing the quality they will still vote for it and this is why zach

00:22:32.540 polanski is a problem because he's had one discussion so far in economics with rory stewart

00:22:37.460 and the war criminal and he came out and said oh my inspiration is gary stevenson is a keynesian

00:22:43.120 socialists. Grace Bakely, he's a Marxist, and he talked about money multipliers. And

00:22:48.460 so...

00:22:49.460 You've identified the problem of democracy.

00:22:51.500 Yeah, the problem with democracy is we let stupid people vote.

00:22:53.840 Yes.

00:22:54.180 Well, see, the fact that you do have to let, well, in the system that we're in right now,

00:22:58.600 those people's votes still count as much as everybody else's. And I do not disagree at

00:23:03.060 all with the actual policies will not work, and they've been shown time and time again

00:23:06.920 across the world when they've been implemented, that they cause absolute economic destruction

00:23:11.420 of people's livelihoods people's well-being there's no disagreement there but again I think

00:23:17.080 the problem is that you don't look at people saying my life is getting worse day in day out

00:23:23.740 I'm going to vote for the only people who in my local area seem like they want to make my life

00:23:29.320 better and you don't dismiss them by saying oh well you're just a stupid voter that's the attitude

00:23:35.000 i think that loses people like matt goodwin any and all goodwill that reform built up because

00:23:41.480 matt goodwin has come out so much recently in all of the recent interviews including part of the one

00:23:46.740 that you conducted with him and basically said if you are a normal working person in this country

00:23:53.100 i look down on you yeah but he is he is he is projected i'm gonna say i can say so the the i i

00:24:00.800 i think i think that you're both basically right but just talking at different levels yeah so the

00:24:05.760 the question is it isn't actually why isn't the messaging it's not actually from this side the

00:24:12.580 question is from the right is well why why is the right not properly transmitting this messaging to

00:24:18.300 regular people that says no no we are going to help you we are going to make your life better

00:24:23.020 and this is actually going to happen zach polanski is going to make your life worse because he's an

00:24:27.120 idiot and doesn't understand anything about economics but we actually do so why isn't our

00:24:30.500 messaging hitting like zach polanski's so it's more about environment so we're in a captive

00:24:35.440 audience of conservative maybe libertarian people and i'm just being honest when i was at the gym i

00:24:40.800 didn't turn around to this young girl so she's going to vote green and said you're fundamentally

00:24:43.960 stupid i offered to buy a copy of hayek's road to serfdom and just finish point and bastiat's

00:24:50.940 the law said look i read them i'll spend time with you but that's that's that's the problem

00:24:54.940 isn't it right that's the like that's you putting on her a weight of expectation of all this extra

00:25:01.000 labor like i don't really want to read bastiat's on the law or whatever it is we need but we need

00:25:05.720 better messaging exactly it's the messaging right so how how how do we explain to them that actually

00:25:11.120 no no we actually know how we're going to make things cheaper for you right we should be able

00:25:14.440 to be confidently saying this because the greens have got their fancy economics of well we're just

00:25:18.640 going to steal from the rich and okay i mean technically that sounds like it might work uh

00:25:23.620 there are going to be second and third order consequences there but we why haven't we perfected

00:25:28.160 a messaging that says no no we're going to make sure that things are cheaper for you and that you

00:25:31.460 can get a job so you can afford things why then you have to choose are you going to have tactical

00:25:35.280 honest messaging or you're going to go the same kind of but that would be honest messaging right

00:25:42.380 even though it would be vibes based messaging it is true that as you say we've got the evidence to

00:25:47.460 show if we actually stop the state from holding everything down everything works properly and

00:25:52.680 rents get cheaper right that is true so even if we we can approach vibes a truth a true a true

00:25:58.660 message with vibes based messaging if that's how they react can i just clarification when you say

00:26:03.960 we i mean the rights the right generally because obviously the tories reform restore they all have

00:26:08.980 slightly different problems to overcome in that regard traditionally and historically the tories

00:26:13.640 had the advantage that it the country did just work better under their administrations and then

00:26:18.620 once a certain amount of prosperity had been restored people go right it's time to redistribute

00:26:22.660 that prosperity and that would cause collapse again but the that has all fractured now and gone

00:26:27.800 so i think yeah what you need is thomas sowell essentially isn't it to come on news night on a

00:26:32.020 regular basis reincarnated in whatever form and and just lay down some basic precepts of basic

00:26:36.940 economics but again i think you're assuming more engagement from the actual people that harry's

00:26:42.080 talking about than is present right yeah i think actually the greens have the right strategy here

00:26:46.700 which is essentially vibes based messaging on the things you believe and so what the right needs to

00:26:51.160 do is take this very complex but probably accurate economic theory and compress it down into bullet

00:26:56.960 points that will actually exist though the bullet points exist they have been but then they need to

00:27:01.880 be properly transmitted because i'm not aware of what the bullet points are so do you think it's

00:27:05.520 more important to try and change people's mind and decision on which party to vote for or to get

00:27:11.700 non-voters out to vote well i think they're both very important the problem with non-voters is

00:27:16.560 you don't necessarily know why each individual person isn't voting right so there are going to

00:27:21.700 be you know groups and categories but who knows and so i can see why they fight for the politically

00:27:28.680 engaged but obviously you want to win over both i think if you've got a danger which i do regard

00:27:33.560 the green party as being a danger if they were to get into power that would be almost an existential

00:27:37.280 threat to the to the nation at that point it's perhaps more i think broadly and traditionally

00:27:42.840 it's more important to uh awaken your base and get them out motivate them but in this case

00:27:47.740 it is it's absolutely urgent to demonstrate beyond uh any kind of reasonable doubt for a

00:27:54.700 reasonably intelligent 18 year old that the policies they're pursuing will cause ruination

00:27:59.180 in that regard ma'am darnley might possibly be that's not good enough though it's not just that

00:28:04.140 it's also saying you need to you don't just lead with saying they're terrible you lead with saying

00:28:10.660 we are the best and we will do what's right for you in this country absolutely you leave but i'm

00:28:16.040 just saying it should be unusually to a higher degree than usual it should be important to

00:28:21.200 provide message warning against the the temptations we've done segments about the greens before as

00:28:27.900 well don't don't worry no i don't mean you i mean everyone you know everyone yeah but the the the

00:28:32.420 problem is like um zach polanski is actually doing very well at the moon deflecting all of that

00:28:36.980 because he can just say we don't care about their opinion we're just going to steal from the rich

00:28:40.820 and guess what you know everything's going to be great for you and let's have a little dance

00:28:45.200 it's like okay i mean this obviously you know people of our age were looking at this thinking

00:28:49.400 well that's lunacy but obviously people of harry's age are not thinking that's lunacy right and it

00:28:53.740 well see one of the one of the things is okay right the the the rich and the billionaires many

00:28:59.800 of them in this country genuinely have not done much to endear themselves i agree with the voting

00:29:04.700 public and i say this from an actually right-wing perspective the billionaires like the owner of

00:29:09.680 next lord wolfson and others who immediately following the brexit vote said fantastic this

00:29:14.680 means we can get more cheap labor in from the commonwealth the ones who wanted to take advantage

00:29:19.480 of the system to disadvantage working british people by changing the demography of the country

00:29:26.100 in a way that benefited them financially that is a documented thing which has happened most people

00:29:32.580 do not see it that way because for so long the sort of discussion of corruption within the

00:29:38.740 higher echelons of society has been completely monopolized by the left and so the right does

00:29:45.560 need to occupy some of those talking points but from an actually true perspective saying that

00:29:53.020 when people say it's very easy I see this all the time for people to say well billionaires are just

00:29:58.560 convincing you that immigrants are the problem and you need to be honest and say well actually

00:30:03.100 a lot of those billionaires are the reasons the immigrants are here in the first place

00:30:07.340 and they are using those immigrants as a battering ram against the gates of britain and to devalue

00:30:14.180 the power that each individual britain holds in the political system there are many different

00:30:19.520 texts that need to take obviously i've not thought about all of them right off the top of my head

00:30:24.080 right now but these are issues and if you just come across as reform do in many ways and

00:30:30.640 conservatives and even labor i think this is one of the reasons they've lost a lot of the younger

00:30:34.320 votes as though you are protecting vested interests rather than working for the voter

00:30:39.840 themselves that's why people switch off the green however insane they are do not come across like

00:30:45.340 they're just protecting the pockets of billionaires that's it's a really good point and i agree with

00:30:49.520 you and i think it's one of those sort of misunderstandings isn't it a factor is for

00:30:52.920 instance as being conservative when it was really arch liberal and it's the liberal ethos that

00:30:57.460 opens the borders and tries to equalize the the level of cheap labor across a continent

00:31:02.240 there's a there's a balance that can be made between the nation's needs and wants and the

00:31:06.740 wants of the people and also business and allowing for innovation and protecting businesses in ways

00:31:12.560 that mean that uh that you will be able to foster innovation but for most people over the past 30

00:31:18.700 years it looks as though any balance has been completely thrown aside and it's all just been

00:31:23.420 given over to a lot of people see the reasons why their lives are so much worse off and more

00:31:29.020 expensive as being the fault of billionaires and again from a right-wing perspective there is truth

00:31:34.200 in that but the only people making that argument for so long have been left-wingers from a left-wing

00:31:39.700 perspective who leave out all of the pertinent details about things like mass immigration being

00:31:45.060 great for billionaires because it allows them to import a slave labor cheap class do you think

00:31:50.220 conservatism has a branding problem oh yes well i think i think the problem with the brand is just

00:31:57.480 what have you conserved i don't mean i don't mean in that way i mean in the look whatever you think

00:32:06.440 of the green party if you're a young left liberal it looks like a bit of fun looks like young people

00:32:14.260 out there who care whereas conservatism is a it's young people in suits and ties the funny

00:32:19.140 it's not a criticism do you know no no the funny thing is that the later the the tories and the

00:32:23.960 green party i would argue have a lot of crossover in the kind of fun that they enjoy but they do

00:32:28.980 advertise and broadcast it differently but i mean so i think there's i think if you're still living

00:32:35.580 with your parents or you're still subsidized by your parents you have a lot more luxury in your

00:32:40.260 vote than if you're actually out there working trying to you know pay your rent pay your mortgage

00:32:44.640 buy you know create a family and so if if you're not being hit economically in that way where at

00:32:51.340 the end of each month everything gets a bit harder then you have a kind of a luxury in your vote and

00:32:56.400 therefore maybe it does come down to what is a bit cold what are other people seeing this because

00:33:00.960 we know for example if you work in any kind of office in london you cannot admit to being a

00:33:07.020 conservative voter, you'll be... Oh, yeah. I mean, well, that's another thing as well,

00:33:11.640 especially with young people. Yeah. Like, if you're a young person, around my age or younger,

00:33:19.740 I go to the local pub, if I said to anybody, oh, I'm a dedicated, lifelong conservative voter,

00:33:26.840 and they were around my age, they wouldn't want to spend time with me. They wouldn't want to

00:33:31.000 speak to me. So there is a similar thing with reform. I've been in the middle of conversations

00:33:36.280 with random people who are slightly younger than me where they've got a bit drunk and they've just

00:33:40.800 gone off completely unprompted when we weren't even talking about politics about how they hate

00:33:45.920 Nigel Farage he's a complete fascist why would anybody who votes for him is just a Nazi in

00:33:51.020 disguise and I felt like talking up speaking up and just being there actually he's just another

00:33:57.140 renter suit neoliberal but I thought to myself as well and this is this is also a little bit on

00:34:03.080 the uninformed stupid voter side as well, which is that they're not going to understand my talking

00:34:07.620 points. They're not going to understand what I'm saying. They've not got the context to really

00:34:11.740 understand what I'm talking about here. So there is definitely a lot of social pressure that goes

00:34:16.260 into at least how young people will be telling others that they're voting. Because the Greens

00:34:20.960 are very much an anti-establishment party, but their solution to it is to have a bigger

00:34:25.140 establishment. And I think what could cut through a little bit more punk rock is an anti-establishment

00:34:31.820 party who wants to abolish as much of the establishment as possible.

00:34:36.920 Right, we don't have time to carry on down this road. I think there's a lot more to it.

00:34:41.680 People in the chat I see are talking about aesthetics, and to be fair, this is something

00:34:46.360 that I hopefully will be working on, and I want to see other people working on as well,

00:34:52.100 which is that this is partially because of gatekeeping, and also frankly partially because

00:34:57.380 of the fact that the centre-right, as occupied by the Conservatives, are frightfully dull

00:35:02.220 and uncreative people. There is no exciting, youthful, creative scenes on the right. There's

00:35:10.680 like, I want, I'm a musician, I play music, and I want there to be more people within

00:35:17.000 the scene who are sharing my political views, who are not necessarily trying to, in a timple

00:35:21.780 way make right-wing music they just are right-wing and they make good music and once you have a cool

00:35:28.800 and energetic and dynamic scene for people to want to get involved in divorcing it from the

00:35:35.380 politics people will want to get involved in that if you write good music if you make good art of

00:35:40.260 any kind people will want to get involved in that and hopefully i'm hoping that this year next year

00:35:46.460 people will start to develop a little bit of that more because young people want to be part of social

00:35:51.740 groups yeah everybody's deracinated everybody's atomized and isolated from one another but people

00:35:56.440 still seek community it's an obvious uh example but one thing charlie kirk did really well is make

00:36:02.400 conservatism call for young people in america he came out in a t-shirt he gave out baseball caps

00:36:07.660 he went to university campuses he made kind of the bro culture realize conservatism is

00:36:12.560 much cooler than being a wet lefty the problem that our conservatives have i guess we could

00:36:18.060 just carry on talking about this if you're right to skip your segment because there's a lot here

00:36:21.080 to get no that's that's absolutely fine don't worry about it and it'll tie directly into yeah

00:36:25.380 so the the problem is that no the only the only way to be cool in modern politics i think is to

00:36:34.820 genuinely be anti-establishment right to genuinely be like saying no those people hate us and don't

00:36:40.040 want to have anything to do with this they don't want us anywhere near power because they are

00:36:42.840 protecting as harry saying like a system of billionaires and entrenched interests right

00:36:47.220 and there's no way that reform in the Conservatives

00:36:49.900 can appear cool in that paradigm

00:36:51.740 because, of course, they are also protecting

00:36:54.720 and part of the system protecting the entrenched interests

00:36:57.760 of billionaires, institutions, NGOs, all that sort of thing.

00:37:00.780 Can I give an example?

00:37:01.800 Please.

00:37:02.220 So when Nigel Farage, I think it was last month,

00:37:05.520 came out and said,

00:37:06.700 I'm going to abolish work from home.

00:37:09.600 So for most young people...

00:37:11.360 Who's asking for that?

00:37:12.520 There's a few things to do with that,

00:37:14.120 which is, one, a lot of people were immediately theorizing

00:37:17.220 that he was coming out with such messaging to protect the value of major properties within

00:37:22.480 London and other cities that act as office buildings. If all of those emptied out or are

00:37:27.560 less full more of the time, then potentially the value of them decreases and the large business

00:37:32.820 owners and property owners who own those and have those in their portfolios, they take a hit to

00:37:37.500 their bank account. So a lot of people see that, okay, he's just protecting big business interests

00:37:41.720 there the other thing is a lot of young people my age are going well travel is expensive commuting

00:37:49.020 is really expensive I already have enough of a difficult time trying to manage work life and

00:37:54.500 costs on top of everything and Nigel Farage is saying the one or two days I get to work from home

00:37:59.960 now I have to spend more of my life on a commute either alone isolated in my car or on busy

00:38:08.540 dangerous public transport, all of which is way too expensive. Now public transport in this country

00:38:13.760 we all know is an absolute joke. The cost of it is through the roof and fuel is now getting more

00:38:19.280 expensive because of the geopolitical circumstances with Iran and the Strait of Hormuz, etc. So they're

00:38:24.460 just saying, okay, so what is reform offering me as a young person? Well, more of my life spent away

00:38:30.400 from my family and friends and more of my money down the toilet unnecessarily. For what? So that

00:38:36.080 I can sit in an office with a bunch of people

00:38:38.580 I barely socialise with anyway

00:38:40.520 to do work for a rubbish email job

00:38:43.540 that I can do on my sofa.

00:38:45.320 Because a lot of these people are also working

00:38:47.260 BS make-work jobs as well.

00:38:49.580 So that is not a winning ticket for the youth vote.

00:38:54.340 Maintaining the corporate welfare state

00:38:56.220 isn't what everyone wants.

00:38:58.180 This is crazy.

00:38:59.300 It also comes across, frankly, as a bit of boomer baiting.

00:39:01.900 It does.

00:39:02.520 Like older generations...

00:39:04.080 Did he not attempt even to make the case that going to work is actually mentally healthy?

00:39:09.180 I mean, I personally think it is.

00:39:11.080 And we have a work from home situation.

00:39:13.960 My wife has been working from home for a long time, you know, because of balancing with the kids.

00:39:18.120 And I think it drives you slightly crazy, you know, just being in the box room all day when you should be in a large open room.

00:39:24.880 Yes, there's disadvantages of public transport, but there's beers after work.

00:39:28.380 what you need to do is you need to reboot the corporate environment the corporate culture

00:39:33.180 to make workplaces more fun again i mean it's not necessarily about making work even that it's fun

00:39:38.340 there are real issues here like uh as you say like we were talking about the price of the trains

00:39:43.220 coming down for the podcast it's unbelievable like if i want to go to dead cot parkway it's a 15

00:39:47.960 minute trip it costs 20 quid that's more than a pound a mile it's like sorry how is that possible

00:39:53.180 it's possible because of course loads of foreign governments own our trains and then when you get

00:39:57.680 on the trains you are surrounded it's completely packed and you've got a billion people from other

00:40:02.740 countries talking in strange languages on their phones and it's like what has happened here this

00:40:06.880 is just a demonstrably uncomfortable thing a lot of people won't want to admit it but the fact of

00:40:11.300 the overcrowding of the country due to all of the foreigners who've been imported in as well is one

00:40:16.060 of like it was the foreigners that attacked the train near cambridge late last year people don't

00:40:22.280 say it explicitly but it is always something at the back of their mind if i get on public transport

00:40:26.900 today and I'm going to my job in a big city, am I going to be the victim of a terror attack?

00:40:31.100 I saw a video on my Twitter.

00:40:32.440 Do people really think that...

00:40:33.920 Do people really get on the train and think, today, am I going to be the victim of a terror

00:40:38.660 attack?

00:40:38.760 I have to think that it does play into some people's calculations.

00:40:41.800 People don't like getting on public transport that much anymore.

00:40:45.100 I understand concerns of public safety, and I understand the correlation with terrorist

00:40:49.680 attacks, but I don't think people really...

00:40:51.640 I mean, personally, I get on the train, I think, is today the day I go AWOL?

00:40:56.900 Well, obviously, perhaps that was a bit of an exaggeration.

00:41:01.200 However, still, they are thoroughly unpleasant spaces to occupy.

00:41:04.300 It's not necessarily terrorist attacks.

00:41:05.840 I think it's just casual violence that I think a lot of people...

00:41:09.180 I personally do find almost everyone else on a train

00:41:12.560 at least annoying, if not absolutely enraging.

00:41:16.520 Just their multiple presences, too much to process.

00:41:19.840 When I go to London and I see a random man wandering around looking weird,

00:41:25.880 he looks highly strong and he's like staring i'm always like jesus christ is this the day

00:41:31.320 when one of those viral videos that comes across your twitter time and happens to me like i saw

00:41:35.040 one this morning of a woman like a bunch of girls were running to a train and a bunch of ethnic

00:41:40.020 minority men were kicking them and spitting them and one of them kicked this woman and she went

00:41:43.800 under the fucking train right and i'm just like you saw that oh a video literally this video like

00:41:49.120 you know the platform video and i'm just like i mean this i think i retweeted it and tagged

00:41:54.920 stella creasy that any thoughts stella because it's just because i don't think many go through

00:41:59.860 her no exactly because it's just like like we we live in an in an era where there's just a high

00:42:05.700 potential for low-level violence there is also just to play devil's advocate because i don't

00:42:10.280 like it but there is also the availability heuristic thing isn't there you that's the

00:42:14.940 kind of video that goes around the world and i'm not i'm not saying that you know it has not happened

00:42:19.260 to me thank god right but you you realize that we are in a much more dangerous environment than

00:42:24.520 we used to be right it could be that some nutter stands up on a train and does something or

00:42:28.960 someone like the the indian man who drove through like a dozen people in derby recently i've got to

00:42:35.560 say i don't think this i mean i'm i don't know whether this is part of the calculation young

00:42:41.200 people are making when they hear faraj saying we want to end working from home i would say that is

00:42:46.080 a little bit like saying okay listen you're putting on weight you're getting unfit you need

00:42:50.480 to get out on your bike and ride an hour around the you know the yeah there is a danger you might

00:42:55.800 go under a juggernaut but on the whole that you're likely to have health benefits overall i think it's

00:43:00.500 similar with working from home yes there is potentially a danger that you'll encounter an

00:43:04.060 incident on a commuter train it's much more likely one thing on a series of things right

00:43:08.540 and also it's a generally healthier format for your life though isn't it i don't somewhere and

00:43:12.800 work somewhere else isn't it i don't i don't know how healthy most people being cooped up in

00:43:17.720 like five days a week eight hours a day pointless office jobs is yeah but that's not healthy if

00:43:24.120 you're cooped up in your own home automated anyway if you're doing that same job at home

00:43:28.000 i mean i understand a lot of jobs i listen i left corporate work after three years and i've never

00:43:32.740 done a day's work since and luckily for me it's kind of worked out i understand you know strip

00:43:37.320 lighting and and being 50 yards from the nearest window it's miserable but but it's not much

00:43:42.580 hard to look yeah we've kind of deviated from the point sorry of the aesthetics of conservatism

00:43:48.400 yeah yeah it's a bit of a struggle but i i was leading to a point is that um one trick the

00:43:54.280 left apport is very good is to make the term right wing a pejorative like if you're right wing you

00:43:59.660 must be evil which is i try and avoid talking about it i think it's much better to talk about

00:44:03.760 freedom and liberty because there is a strong alignment between freedom and liberty and parts

00:44:07.900 of the conservative movement and again it's a thing charlie kirk did really well he would wear

00:44:12.340 t-shirt with freedom on there he would anchor a lot of things back to freedom and liberty and i

00:44:16.780 think that's an area you can win a lot more arguments with young people because you can

00:44:20.800 explain to them why free speech is important why free trade is important important and you can win

00:44:26.360 you can at times agree with the left at times agree with the right almost every argument you're

00:44:31.540 going to win if you base yourself in freedom and liberty not everyone but a lot of a lot of the

00:44:35.800 arguments and and you know where the right where it's where sorry where the the the march on the

00:44:42.560 weekend was a march against the far right it was a march against the far right and the fascists

00:44:47.560 if you can separate from that if you can separate yourself from that by saying no i base myself in

00:44:52.880 freedom and liberty well you don't want to be anti-freedom you don't want to be anti-liberty

00:44:57.560 and this is what uh appeals to me about restore is that it it appears to be much more focused

00:45:02.480 on freedom and liberty than conservatism.

00:45:05.480 And I just think that's a way you can win young people over.

00:45:08.680 I think there's some truth to that.

00:45:12.720 So there's a number of problems here, which is,

00:45:17.260 well, essentially Zach Polanski will always win the argument

00:45:19.780 on freedom and liberty, right?

00:45:21.860 I disagree. I'd eviscerate him in a debate on freedom and liberty.

00:45:24.440 No, he wouldn't. He would say, I want complete freedom.

00:45:26.340 You don't even want gay pride marches marching through kindergartens.

00:45:30.400 you know he will

00:45:32.500 yeah of course

00:45:33.380 but that's the limit

00:45:34.900 of my freedom and liberty

00:45:35.880 yeah but that's the point

00:45:36.880 because that infringes

00:45:37.760 on the freedom and liberty

00:45:38.480 of family

00:45:38.860 Zach Polanski would say

00:45:40.500 you don't even want me

00:45:41.700 to have the freedom

00:45:42.520 to trans your own children

00:45:44.500 you don't want to

00:45:45.500 gimp in bondage gear

00:45:46.800 on stage dancing with me

00:45:48.020 I understand that argument

00:45:49.660 yeah but the point is

00:45:50.580 he will ultimately

00:45:52.040 be able to one up you

00:45:53.060 on almost everything

00:45:53.560 you'll say well I want people

00:45:54.880 to have the freedom

00:45:55.380 to make their own businesses

00:45:56.140 and he'll say well I want

00:45:57.400 people to have the freedom

00:45:58.120 to have everything

00:45:58.880 given to them for free

00:45:59.740 and because we're in an era of vibe-based politics you seem like the dinosaur

00:46:03.880 defending the status quo whereas he seems like the edgy radical who's actually going to help

00:46:08.780 people out even he requires coercion but even yeah but so what like he like he's saying yeah

00:46:15.060 we're going to coerce the billionaires and everyone's like great the billionaires are

00:46:17.460 getting coerced and i'm getting a bunch of free stuff so actually you look like you're defending

00:46:21.480 status quo because what you're saying is not materially different to what nigel farage or

00:46:24.940 the conservatives would say right whereas zach polanski what he's saying is materially different

00:46:28.900 to what the Labour Party would say,

00:46:30.280 because the Labour Party would go,

00:46:31.140 no, you're a fucking lunatic.

00:46:32.240 What are you talking about, right?

00:46:33.560 And so he seems like the outrider there.

00:46:36.300 And he also seems like that

00:46:38.280 on the principles you've espoused.

00:46:41.200 So you need a different set of principles

00:46:43.760 to win this argument.

00:46:45.780 So essentially what you have to ask yourself is,

00:46:48.900 and I actually think that the Jordan Peterson

00:46:50.900 sort of like actually duty and responsibility

00:46:53.100 is something that is not only outside

00:46:55.820 of what the Conservatives in reform

00:46:57.040 would ever talk about,

00:46:57.800 You'd never hear Nigel Farage

00:46:59.760 talking about duty and responsibility

00:47:01.120 because he's a Jack the Lad.

00:47:02.800 Everyone knows he's a Jack the Lad.

00:47:04.020 He likes going for a pint and a smoke.

00:47:06.460 Well, he likes to pretend to.

00:47:08.020 Well, I'm sure he does like drinking and smoking.

00:47:10.800 I've heard he prefers red wine in private.

00:47:13.840 Well, I mean, that's a drink.

00:47:15.240 A pint at the pub's just like a media thing.

00:47:18.440 Oh, right, okay.

00:47:19.560 It's believable, though, right?

00:47:21.420 He's a Jack the Lad, right?

00:47:22.940 He's not someone who's actually talking about

00:47:24.760 duty and responsibility.

00:47:25.960 And you know that it's only through duty and responsibility

00:47:29.560 that we're going to get a civilization worth living in, right?

00:47:32.580 Zach Polanski is a destructive force.

00:47:34.320 He's a leveler.

00:47:35.280 He's going to ruin everything.

00:47:37.100 And everyone knows that it'll just be the lowest common denominator

00:47:39.720 and everything gets reduced to the ground level.

00:47:41.600 So everyone's poor, everyone's in danger, everyone's suffering.

00:47:44.720 And it's only going to be through an actually sort of credible right-wing movement

00:47:48.720 that's saying, no, no, no, you have something you have to do.

00:47:51.600 This isn't about freedom, actually.

00:47:53.400 I'm not a free man.

00:47:54.740 You're not a free man.

00:47:55.520 You've got a wife and kids. You've got responsibilities. You're not free. I'm not free. I've got a wife and kids. But what I do have is something really precious that's worth protecting. And actually, I think that speaking to especially young men saying, look, you could get something precious that's worth protecting as well. I think that actually makes me sound like someone who's completely outside the consensus.

00:48:14.640 I've never heard a politician speak about anything in these terms,

00:48:18.700 and it's also true and real and hard work,

00:48:22.280 but it's totally worth it, right?

00:48:23.980 And so I'm really against trying to beat Zach Polanski

00:48:26.980 on the grounds of freedom and liberty.

00:48:29.540 Obviously, we're going to get freedom and liberty,

00:48:31.640 but if we make them ideological precepts,

00:48:34.000 he can win on that because he's on a stage

00:48:36.100 with a bunch of gay guys gyrating, and you're not.

00:48:39.520 So he's freer than you are.

00:48:41.120 freedom's been denatured and devalued through discourse it's in american politics people

00:48:47.800 the left will always demand freedom and equality despite you know just just blank face against the

00:48:53.900 obvious fact that those two things are in opposition exactly and they don't care and

00:48:58.320 they've also individualized the concept of freedom freedom historically never meant freedom of the

00:49:02.540 individual it was meant freedom of a people from foreign subjugation yeah that's what freedom in

00:49:08.300 its traditional sense meant and it's only in the sort of modern ideological parlance that we use

00:49:12.700 freedom on an individual basis which essentially necessitates the size of the state because of

00:49:17.740 course the state has to then take on other protective aspects that communities would

00:49:21.700 actually take on and so are you looking at me very skeptically but like because i think the

00:49:26.540 message is is if it's an anti-establishment movement then freedom is a small state um

00:49:31.680 because it's freedom from the state and it definitely does need to be a state i think

00:49:36.420 we can all agree we all agree needs to be a small state's evil and we need to destroy it but

00:49:40.280 we all agree with that but that's that's only one interpretation of freedom that's the problem

00:49:45.740 right it's punk rock to be an individualist to rely on the state it's pretty wet well the thing

00:49:51.440 is and i think that is a message that i think that aligns with your duty message i mean don't

00:49:56.240 get me wrong yeah this i'm not saying this isn't what i believe obviously i believe this one of

00:50:00.140 One of the big appeals of Restore's initial thing was just when Rupert No Nonsense said,

00:50:06.340 this will be difficult, it will be painful, which to me as a young man is putting forward

00:50:11.960 like a sense of duty, responsibility, honour, sacrifice and danger that you don't get from

00:50:19.020 anywhere else.

00:50:19.640 One of the reasons that I do think that this kind of, what we were talking about a moment

00:50:23.360 ago with office work and pointless email jobs and do nothing like make work schemes is the fact

00:50:30.300 that they are they're safe they're comfortable they're pointless and most young men in those

00:50:35.920 that's why they're perfect for women i love you women but it's why it's they're perfect for women

00:50:40.340 because the woman can love a job where all she has to do is sit around answering emails all day and

00:50:46.460 taking three four hour long meetings every day where they can basically just gossip right as a

00:50:52.620 man i would rather throw myself off a bridge and ironically you know you know the old um sort of

00:50:58.780 you know uh newspaper you know men needed for hard journey you know small chance of success you know

00:51:05.000 imminent danger but glory if we survive and you know you'd flocked that i'd flocked yeah like you

00:51:10.140 know like that sounds appealing if you talk about if you talk about freedom there is no greater

00:51:16.480 prison than the feminized HR woman dominated like dictatorship office job right the idea of the okay

00:51:25.240 we're going to save the country we are going to reassert order and values and standards that to me

00:51:34.380 is a greater rush of freedom than any amount of hedonism pornography drugs casual sex anything

00:51:44.440 the current society could offer me because they are simply soma because the the problem of the

00:51:49.520 term freedom sorry i'm not going is it literally can just degenerate into hedonism right whereas

00:51:56.440 um to to take on the aspect of duty and responsibility it assumes that you have a

00:52:03.400 level of freedom anyway to be able to choose that right to be able to do that but it also offers

00:52:07.740 things like status offers glory it offers respectability and every young man knows he

00:52:12.980 needs some status to get his wife right every young man knows this instinctively so i i'm i'm

00:52:18.480 do you see the point that i'm making i think we're both right well that's a very diplomatic way of

00:52:24.100 no i do i say no no because you know i think of how i raise my son right again hard work

00:52:31.120 raft doesn't get away with things um he has a authoritarian maybe he has a duty to look after

00:52:37.020 a system where i'm not around that's what i teach across but i also teach him the responsibility

00:52:40.600 the principles of freedom and liberty and why they're important why we need a small state the

00:52:44.560 smallest possible state so i you know on an individual level i think i'm teaching both to

00:52:48.900 my son so i agree both right that sounds like a very anglo way of raising him it is but the

00:52:54.380 the anglo conception has always been freedom with responsibility and duty and the two and this is

00:53:00.640 historically going back to the greeks as well the two could never be disconnected from one another

00:53:05.040 and what we have now is a complete disconnect but you're selling you want to sell duty and i guess

00:53:10.380 what you're you're talking about is at a time when we had a lot more freedom we had a duty

00:53:15.180 the duty comes with the freedom yeah the duty comes with the freedom because you didn't have

00:53:19.420 a state to always rely this is the problem with zach polanski and the the greens act as a kind

00:53:23.920 of siren song which is liberty from responsibility right they no no no we're just going to give you

00:53:28.840 free money we're just going to steal from those evil billionaires who took all of your resources

00:53:32.620 i'm just going to hand it out to you so you can come and join us in our big gay parties we

00:53:36.380 we'll take loads of drugs and just dance forever at the end of history and there'll be no problems

00:53:40.640 this is the problem they've had in america for a long time right with the uh traditionally the

00:53:45.360 the american dream was open to everyone in theory you could look a president straight in the eye if

00:53:50.320 you met him in a bar and you were no better or worse than him and the potential to make something

00:53:54.140 for yourself was there once that begins to dissolve it hasn't never been quite as enshrined in the

00:53:59.300 british um constitution or whatever but once it's it's not even feasible that you're going to own

00:54:05.080 your own home let alone kind of make it in any meaningful sense then then that door slams shut

00:54:10.520 right and and that's as you say when when polanski starts to look like he's got solutions exactly and

00:54:15.280 especially if you've got a bunch of young people who have never i mean given the paradigm that

00:54:20.480 we're in the sort of like hr tyranny that we've been in like taking responsibility is not the

00:54:26.840 core message of this paradigm right it's actually be a good surf and it's easy as you say with the

00:54:34.000 soma to keep the serfs on the plantation by just making sure well we're just going to give you a

00:54:37.920 bunch of things make you dependent upon us and you're going to become dependent on our drugs

00:54:41.780 and therefore you will never revolt because you don't even realize that you're a serf you don't

00:54:46.620 realize you're in prison and that cheap carbs and that that's but that that's been essentially this

00:54:53.000 is why zach polanski is not actually an anti-establishment figure what he actually is

00:54:57.100 is the fulfillment of the establishment because that's what labor have been promising that's what

00:55:01.400 conservatives ended up promising under blair and that's what reform are doing as they are accepting

00:55:05.420 all these conservatives and so zach polanski is really just the end result of the honest version

00:55:10.560 of the entire paradigm the the sort of um uh the paradigm that seeks to just end suffering and pain

00:55:17.080 that's the entire point of our governance and i actually think that the real anti-establishment

00:55:21.600 like no we're going to bring you pain you're going to hurt it's going to be hard work but at the end

00:55:27.460 it you're going to have built something glorious monumental and you won't even recognize the person

00:55:32.580 that you used to be which was malay's message as well this will be i think one of the other

00:55:37.780 appeals of it again referring back to rupert's announcement for restore is that it's true yeah

00:55:44.840 it's one thing that we've missed discussing all of this so far is just truth and how much that

00:55:50.160 appeals to people labor don't come across as honest because they just come across like they're

00:55:55.160 for vested interests, but they're pretending to be on your side. Reform, again, kind of projects

00:56:01.060 the same message as Labour in that sense. The Conservatives don't come across as honest because

00:56:05.860 we already had 14 years of their governance and there's also the elephant in the room that they're

00:56:10.000 a big gay club that won't admit it. Greens, the honest factor with them is that they are exactly

00:56:17.700 what they say on the tin, right? They have the big gay parties for their party meetings and they say

00:56:24.500 vote for us and you'll get more of this they leave out the parts where it's like also complete

00:56:30.180 economic collapse you won't be able to buy bread at the supermarket but you will definitely get

00:56:34.640 more drugs and gay sex under the greens so people see that and go well they're giving me honesty

00:56:39.740 restore are trying to or should and continue trying to pitch an honest assessment of where we are

00:56:48.400 and what it will take to fix this and people want the truth they don't want liars anymore

00:56:55.620 and one very good part of the branding is the don't care yeah i actually think that's very

00:57:00.320 zach polanski has that i mean literally today he was being attacked by the daily mail or something

00:57:04.820 i don't care about the mail just join our party and you know his his supporters love it in fact

00:57:09.800 samson can we go to the last segment we'll go through this one now because let's get on to

00:57:13.180 talk about restore because i think the discussion yeah no that was a good discussion i think is

00:57:16.540 important as well um so uh before we begin we've got a live event on the 11th april it's gonna be

00:57:21.460 brilliant come and join us anyway right so um yeah there we go right so um i'm i'm chairing the

00:57:28.500 restore swindon brunch just because someone has to do it and i happen to have uh a team of people

00:57:33.440 who are also invested in helping and that's about half the people who turned out that's because at

00:57:37.600 the end of it we were like right who wants to have their photo taken about half people like okay

00:57:40.740 no thanks you know because we had protesters outside but the swindon brunch is active

00:57:44.860 and it's uh it's going quite well and as you can see here restore uh when prompted by find out now

00:57:51.200 in their polls are on eight percent in the polls and that's pretty good actually for a party that's

00:57:56.840 been a party for 11 days now so there's definitely some legs to this and it's definitely going

00:58:02.100 somewhere and this is um not just uh an issue uh a thing for us i mean there have been loads loads

00:58:09.120 of these where you know these are surprisingly well attended um events and as you can see there

00:58:15.060 are you know older and younger people so one thing that i found with ours is the consistent

00:58:19.900 demographic slice across the country this isn't nigel farage his his you know bingo care hall

00:58:26.140 tour this is people of all sorts of ages but a lot of them i think most of them were people

00:58:32.140 about our age peter just quite interesting about this there's a little bit hannah spencer about

00:58:37.260 this yes it's a regular people who like i just had enough i mean for for example this chap here

00:58:42.660 is a guy called scott and he's the uh he's gonna be chairing the chippenham branch of restore i've

00:58:47.320 known him for about 30 years unbelievably good guy one of my best mates and he's just a regular guy

00:58:52.660 he's just like no i've just got to come and do something now i have to come and get involved

00:58:56.800 with this now because i've seen the state of the country and well i didn't i mean he didn't want

00:59:01.700 to be involved in politics in another did i you know and yet we've been dragged into this by

00:59:06.120 the sheer decline of this country and the complete unseriousness of basically every person on every

00:59:12.660 side that with really completely unacceptable the the refusal to accept that the thing that

00:59:20.100 has come before has ended right this is what i think we can all agree the blairite paradigm

00:59:23.800 that is the culmination of the 20th century politics it's over it's just over and so now

00:59:29.380 it's basically zach polanski and rupert lowe saying i don't care to the center i don't care

00:59:35.000 about your opinion uh we know you're wrong and you know you can either agree with us or disagree

00:59:39.680 with us um but there is definitely something changing definitely something changing any

00:59:45.380 thoughts well i suppose i excuse me again i am i agree with you about the don't care thing which

00:59:50.780 is a question of framing right it's it's not allowing the other side to choose the frame

00:59:54.400 and to choose the the language view you adopt and that whole dems of the real racist kind of

00:59:59.240 nonsense is very tired i suppose i suppose the obvious query is do you do you see restore as

01:00:05.860 having a chance to form a government and if not are they more likely to do damage i mean this is

01:00:10.820 the big thing now as we're moving into a multi-polar at least five viable parties at the

01:00:15.400 next election what kind of uh coalitions are likely to to um be formed before polling day

01:00:22.360 and after polling day and we are we now in sort of continental territory where um again

01:00:27.200 unintended consequences can completely disrupt well you know well-managed campaigns and so on

01:00:34.680 i think it's um always easy to take a snapshot of what things look like at this time and think that

01:00:41.240 this is uh indicative of the the state of affairs in say three years time in the next election right

01:00:47.900 but i'm actually much more of a fan of watching where the sort of the liquid is flowing um because

01:00:54.040 which container is going to fill up and the liquid of politics is obviously flowing into the green

01:00:58.500 party but it's also flowing out of reform now it's flowing into restore uh and so this is just

01:01:05.320 a matter of time now it's the slow drip drip drip of the water wearing down the rock uh what's it

01:01:12.120 actually going to fill up and i think it's essentially going to come down to the green

01:01:15.060 party and restore in the next three years now i'm terrible at making predictions i hate making

01:01:18.820 predictions and you know who knows what happens tomorrow but if the way that things are going i

01:01:23.760 think the lib dems will basically stay where they are but i think the labor and the conservatives

01:01:27.020 are done i think reform is going to bleed out and i honestly think that if reform gets down to about

01:01:33.460 19 in the polls farage will just pack it in right yeah what's what's your guys take on it

01:01:39.580 well i i mean i i think uh reformer we're going to see an epic collapse i think the the generic

01:01:46.240 moment was the obvious moment to me and you started to get the sense beforehand but the

01:01:49.920 generic moment to me was uh this party's finished it's it's done i agree with you i can see a

01:01:54.740 scenario where uh farage quits because he'd rather do that than lose and then reform gets uh merged

01:02:02.120 into restore with rupert as the the natural leader but i can also see a a scenario where

01:02:08.600 reform and conservatives try and merge in some kind of way but what's more interesting is is

01:02:14.160 there's really a what feels like a 50 50 split lefty right in the country and so what's going

01:02:19.000 be really interesting is how strategic this gets at the next election because it really is a left

01:02:23.920 right split now yeah and i think harry was right earlier that essentially the left can't attack us

01:02:29.240 on immigration right because the the two top issues in the country and you know it's constantly

01:02:33.460 going up and down is immigration in the economy right and that's if you look at how the parties

01:02:38.520 are shaking out well restore britain are most concerned about immigration and the greens are

01:02:42.560 most concerned about the economy so who can take territory from who well the greens can never take

01:02:47.240 are anti-immigration territory because they're fully committed diversity immigration and things

01:02:51.900 like that so the greens have got this natural sort of barrier there that they can't cross

01:02:55.380 but actually i don't think restore have that natural barrier when it comes to the economy

01:02:58.860 and if we can get the good conservative sort of economic messaging and vibe it and say no look

01:03:04.420 this is why you're losing money you know the billionaires are bringing in millions of immigrants

01:03:08.380 to steal your jobs to compress your wages which is true right if if restore can actually get a

01:03:14.220 strong vibes-based economic message based in truth that actually you know your friend who's

01:03:19.920 voting green but agrees with your twitter feed if we can get that into their heads then actually we

01:03:24.380 can park our tanks on their lawn but they can come nowhere near us because what they would

01:03:28.660 have to concede is yeah these immigrants actually don't belong here and they could never concede

01:03:32.460 that so i think actually with the potential is there for quite a significant success i think

01:03:39.800 there's a couple of international things that might change over the next two or three years

01:03:43.500 obviously, Israel-Gaza was a major force in creating a Muslim bloc in the last general

01:03:49.600 election. I would think that that specific, you know, aspect of the Middle East is waning. But

01:03:56.640 obviously, the Middle East remains very volatile. And a lot of people are already factoring in a

01:04:02.520 worldwide recession off the closure of the straits. So, I mean, that's going to be a serious

01:04:07.420 issue that people are going to have to show they have at least some competence in handling and

01:04:11.160 understanding at that point i think it's what's also interesting is you know we i don't think

01:04:16.500 we'll ever stop talking about left and right but they clearly mean different things than they did

01:04:19.740 during the french revolution and they've evolved over time and the labor party as you say used to

01:04:23.420 represent the working class and that was about sort of social so small small less socialist

01:04:28.940 redistribution or whatever now obviously one axis is the somewhere's anywhere's axis one axis is

01:04:35.200 how committed are you to dissolving the blob you know whatever you want to call it and you know

01:04:40.280 the state as you say how committed are you to leaving the echr these kind of issues are

01:04:45.780 as much about competence as they are about vibes i think because it's one thing to say

01:04:51.380 if you're a green party we will tax the billionaires and if they decide to leave

01:04:55.240 well sodom we don't need them anyway actually you do need them they're wealth creators and

01:04:59.140 that's a disaster but it's much more complicated to say we will downsize the the civil service

01:05:05.700 That is a massive, I mean, that is Blair's legacy, essentially.

01:05:08.860 And that remains untouched at this point.

01:05:10.980 One thing that I was going to say, and it was kind of going to tie into my segment, which we've skipped over.

01:05:17.960 We do also need pro-business messaging so that both normal people can be assured that they will be able to start their own businesses

01:05:26.620 that will not have busybody overhead management, over-the-shoulder management of every minor aspect of their business.

01:05:34.940 it's more excessive regulation and tax yeah yeah exactly exactly excessive tax and regulation

01:05:39.660 but also for those larger corporations as much as a lot of them have been a problem people are right

01:05:46.960 when they say that the flight of billionaires is a huge hit to the tax base of this country

01:05:52.340 which is not a great thing for everybody else as well so there does need to be some sort of

01:05:56.900 compromise or we say perhaps the businesses listen you cannot be advocating for these policies that

01:06:02.980 bring in hordes of foreigners who demographically change and culturally change the country purely

01:06:08.700 for the sake of of um like reduced labor costs but at the same time we are going to work with you

01:06:15.980 in ways that mean that you will be able to conduct your business in a way that's faithful to this

01:06:21.220 country where you can still make money it's interesting as well from that point of view

01:06:24.280 larry think isn't it a black rock yeah it was quite um like widely shared uh interview recently

01:06:31.000 in which he says that the era of cheap slave labour

01:06:34.340 is coming to an end, essentially.

01:06:36.080 I haven't seen that, actually.

01:06:36.640 Yeah, yeah, and those countries such as Japan,

01:06:38.880 which have remained demographically homogenous

01:06:43.020 and have resisted seeking that out,

01:06:45.720 are best placed to take advantage of the automation and the AI and so on,

01:06:49.220 which is going to rush in because they are going to be kind of desperate for it

01:06:53.160 and it will make immediate sense for them to adopt technologies

01:06:56.380 that will reduce the cost of manufacture,

01:06:58.600 whereas any country which still has cheap labour on tap is going to hesitate.

01:07:03.440 I think you were saying something before we went on air,

01:07:06.180 but in agriculture in the same way.

01:07:07.640 Yeah, basically for like large farming corporations and companies

01:07:12.280 putting forward of some subsidies with upfront capital costs

01:07:16.340 for automating using technology, crops and such,

01:07:21.160 which means that you will still be able to have people working on those farms,

01:07:25.060 high skilled people working on those farms with that technology but the amount of productivity

01:07:30.540 that you get per staff member per employee on those farms is over and above like more than double

01:07:37.820 in some cases what you'll get so the the segment i was going to do was going to talk about in america

01:07:42.440 there was an example named in the new york times where a dairy farmer who was no longer able to use

01:07:48.700 illegal labor on his farm because of course they'd snatched up all of the illegal labor that was

01:07:54.020 working on his farm, instead decided to put the upfront capital costs into automating using

01:07:59.880 technology. And now the staff that work for him are paid more. They work better hours. The work

01:08:07.460 is less labor intensive. And per head now, per member of staff, he's gone from producing, I

01:08:14.060 believe, per person, it was 800,000 litres of milk, something like that. I don't remember if

01:08:20.040 it was litres or what measurement they were using. Either way, 800,000 litres of milk per person.

01:08:25.180 Now he's making two and a half million litres of milk per person. That's more than tripled the

01:08:31.620 productivity through intelligent use of technology and new investment in capital, which is the thing

01:08:39.100 that always happens. We were talking about it earlier on this morning, where the Roman Republic

01:08:43.660 were in a position where they could have improved technology, they could have updated, they could

01:08:47.900 have had an industrial revolution. Why didn't they? The typical agreement is because they had

01:08:51.960 free access to slave labor. It is something that does completely retard technological advancement

01:08:58.220 and growth. And this country does not need to sustain a population of 70 million, however many

01:09:03.800 people are here right now, purely for the sake of keeping labor costs down. We could go back

01:09:08.500 to a population closer to 40 to 45 million, which is what I think we would have if it weren't for

01:09:14.740 mass migration yeah and and uh and just have it so that we're more automated which would improve

01:09:20.840 a lot of people's lives it's not just even on the bottom end of the economic ladder automation is

01:09:26.880 going to make a big difference if you're tracking what's been happening with a lot of the the uh

01:09:31.620 uh ai models is that screen-based jobs most screen-based jobs are going to either go or

01:09:37.760 change a lot over the next two to three years um through to automation there and my my interest

01:09:44.060 is what that does to the middle class yeah i mean we're already in a housing recession in london

01:09:47.960 there's a great twitter account that's tracking houses being sold in london at a loss people are

01:09:52.460 yeah 25 percent lost 30 percent loss on five six years ago and so if we hit an election in three

01:09:57.700 years time and there's a large number of middle class jobs that have been lost how are those

01:10:02.300 people going to be voting what are they going to want from well the election when all of a sudden

01:10:07.420 there's no like when there's no visible need for all of these people to be here because now most of

01:10:14.240 the jobs that a lot of these people who've been brought in were doing are now being automated

01:10:18.220 and you do really start to just see them as oh they're an imported slave underclass now

01:10:23.260 like it's almost as if we've been importing computer monitors or something isn't it yeah

01:10:28.660 something that's already outmoded like we'll we'll have kind of we'll have the worst of both worlds

01:10:34.100 in that automation will inevitably, like you say,

01:10:36.480 potentially decimate parts of the middle class

01:10:39.000 because of the process of creative destruction.

01:10:41.560 It's something that always comes about.

01:10:43.420 It's not always desirable in the short term,

01:10:45.500 but there are arguments to be made that it's desirable in the long term.

01:10:48.640 But you're going to have that creative destruction

01:10:50.640 while at the same time still having tens of millions of people here

01:10:54.500 who are just going to be sucking up tax and benefits

01:10:56.420 from everybody else who is productive in the country.

01:10:58.520 But the pace of change is going to be rapid.

01:11:01.000 That's going to be the thing that's going to confront

01:11:02.640 a lot of the middle class over the next few years, and it may be two salaries, two six-figure

01:11:07.440 salaries that were given a certain standard of living, certain mortgage they can afford that

01:11:12.660 they can no longer afford, and those jobs aren't coming back, and the ability to retrain is going

01:11:17.040 to be an issue. So I just wonder how that's going to hit the election in two to three years' time

01:11:21.500 when you've got a significant change to the economy, you've got a recession we're already in,

01:11:27.520 in an environment where we are hostile to entrepreneurs.

01:11:31.320 So I think the economy is probably going to –

01:11:33.360 I think I could see a scenario where it's probably the most important point

01:11:37.180 in the next election over immigration.

01:11:39.000 It's going to be huge.

01:11:40.040 It currently is, especially with the cost of living crisis

01:11:42.180 that we're going through.

01:11:43.580 But what I find interesting is Restore Britain at the moment

01:11:46.540 has been focusing on small business owners, right?

01:11:49.740 This is particularly important because, I mean, both you and I

01:11:52.640 are small business owners.

01:11:53.820 How are things going for small businesses?

01:11:55.860 Well, I've given up on one, two of my small businesses.

01:11:59.260 I just can't be bothered anymore.

01:12:00.980 I mean, I've been through a HR process,

01:12:02.680 which is costing tens of thousands in actual costs, physical costs,

01:12:07.960 and then how much of my productive time, the energy costs are too high,

01:12:12.380 people have got the money to come out and spend.

01:12:13.960 I mean, if you've got anything in hospitality at the moment,

01:12:16.380 you're facing an existential crisis to your business.

01:12:18.620 And everybody I know who's running one of these small hospitality businesses

01:12:21.680 is struggling there's no point investing in creating these types of businesses anymore

01:12:26.480 so i just don't do it yeah i mean remember when rachel reeves uh was it quadrupled the rates on

01:12:32.520 uh pubs yeah and ever you'd see pub owners on twitter being like i had to pay 18 grand last

01:12:37.320 year i got to pay 72 grand this year i can't do that they made 56 grand profit last year yeah

01:12:41.840 exactly yeah no it's ludicrous um look it's tough it's tough out there it's going to get harder

01:12:46.000 and uh it's something they should be dealing with head on now i'm facing the pain right now but what

01:12:51.120 they're going to try and do is insulate the pain through to the next election by the way what do

01:12:54.580 you think of labor doing a hail mary and making the next election a referendum on rejoining the

01:12:59.420 eu i mean i think that's probably not really the most important thing in people's lives

01:13:04.300 what do you think of them doing it um it would come across very honestly to me again as a young

01:13:11.740 person it would come across really westminster brained m25 kind of thinking because the whispers

01:13:18.800 are there now at the moment most most of the people i still hear complaining about brexit by

01:13:23.260 this point are like if if you accidentally tune into lbc and catch james o'brien he's like the

01:13:28.980 number one guy still complaining about brexit now most people i know are just complaining like i

01:13:34.060 just i just fueled up my car yesterday and i'm just like feeling done by it you know yeah i i

01:13:40.720 honestly would be surprised and i don't think it'd save them anyway no i don't think it would i mean

01:13:45.380 And obviously, I think the Greens are going to just eat their lunch, which is great.

01:13:49.340 But this is the sort of thing that we were talking about at the meeting yesterday, though,

01:13:53.420 because you're right that this is just something difficult, right?

01:14:00.500 That is perennial across the country.

01:14:03.320 Like, a lot of the people, actually, who turned up at the meeting were, like I said, our age,

01:14:08.500 you know, parents with small businesses and kids and were worried about the state of affairs

01:14:12.660 and the fact that they couldn't exist anymore.

01:14:15.520 And so these are the people that – and another thing as well is that the tone was not frivolous, right?

01:14:22.640 We were – like one of the chaps actually was a former conservative canvasser who had been completely disillusioned with that.

01:14:29.020 And he – basically I just said, put your hand up if you want to say something.

01:14:33.120 Because it was, you know, the first meeting we just got to know each other.

01:14:35.440 And he – towards the end he said, well, I'm really glad at the serious tone that you've taken for the meeting

01:14:43.080 and that we're actually talking about these things that are real issues,

01:14:46.340 just both local and national issues,

01:14:48.080 in a way that is actually credible and addressing the issue properly

01:14:52.620 rather than being frivolous or being evasive or anything like that.

01:14:56.800 There are some, you know, we're talking about like,

01:14:58.980 the council tax is too high.

01:15:00.620 Yeah, council tax is too high.

01:15:01.940 But reform have learned that there's nothing you can do about that

01:15:04.080 because that's set by central government.

01:15:05.780 So Nigel Farage has doged.

01:15:07.900 It was a complete washout.

01:15:09.420 Well, I'm glad he's left holding the bag looking a bit silly on that

01:15:12.660 because i wouldn't have made a bunch of promises that i would be able to cut things if i didn't

01:15:16.500 know what the circumstances were like in the councils they got into the councils and found

01:15:20.300 oh no there's not a huge amount of waste there's a huge amount of requirement for redistributive

01:15:24.920 spending by the state and the only way that can be fixed is by becoming the government and repealing

01:15:29.860 this so they like you know at some point i said look you know i would like that too but that's

01:15:34.560 just not that's beyond the local remit of you know a local branch right uh but the the nature

01:15:40.040 of the atmosphere was just so um realistic right it was it was not not frivolous or irreverent or

01:15:48.820 uh ridiculous you know no no you know pie in the sky thinking it was real people no wwe pyrotechnics

01:15:55.680 as you came on stage weirdly we didn't have any confetti right it was it was really disgraceful

01:16:00.360 because these people don't mind hard work absolutely and there's a difference between

01:16:03.980 hard work and the difficulty of actually generating a profit now yeah businesses that

01:16:09.660 were previously profitable that you just cannot you can't you just can't do it there's too there's

01:16:15.180 too much being uh leached away by the state from from your business rachel reeves has just looked

01:16:20.700 at every form of wealth creation as something that she can just go and attack and does it is it just

01:16:25.520 my like personal preferences that are being trampled on but i i see you talking about

01:16:30.200 hospitality pubs that the amount of tax that's imposed on pubs now feels just hostile to the

01:16:35.440 whole pub culture it's not it's not just like we need some money sorry you're going to have to pay

01:16:39.740 up everything since the pandemic has been going in the same direction it's been going towards

01:16:44.860 working from home drinking at home ordering everything to be delivered to your home it's

01:16:49.700 really dysfunctional it's creating as much as the immigrant thing it's it's disfiguring civic life

01:16:55.460 as the atomic individual is the most free individual but also the least threatening to

01:17:00.060 the state yeah right the the a person who doesn't spend time congregating socializing can never form

01:17:05.820 a faction that can oppose it really feels that way doesn't it and then obviously the one thing

01:17:09.500 that they're all retreating to which i do is social media and that's the other thing that's

01:17:13.260 under attack and they're constantly trying to threaten and suggest that they would like to

01:17:17.140 take twitter's lie i'm less conspiratorial about them wanting to destroy the pub i just think it's

01:17:23.340 the state of the public finances there is so much debt they've got so many um unfunded liabilities

01:17:29.420 they have to consider as well.

01:17:31.120 I think we're just in the era of mass confiscation.

01:17:34.180 And every time they come to the next budget,

01:17:36.540 they look at every single tax and say, what can we attack?

01:17:39.340 You know, they attack savings, they attack business,

01:17:41.600 they attack income.

01:17:43.020 They're just attacking everything.

01:17:44.280 This is the age of confiscation.

01:17:45.840 And by the way, there will be more.

01:17:47.080 The next budget, there'll be more.

01:17:48.360 The one that really concerns me

01:17:49.580 is when they bring in the exit tax,

01:17:51.060 because I think that is the one that's going to become,

01:17:53.000 and Green Party are openly supporting the idea

01:17:55.520 of an exit tax, because so many people are like,

01:17:57.800 screw this, I'm out of here.

01:17:58.760 And that will have two effects. Obviously, you know, the people who are here trying to exit will exit quickly, but people aren't going to move here, are they? This is the thing. We talk about millionaires moving out, but there's arguably an even vaster problem, which is the fact that nobody's going to come here with wealth creation in mind because they can see it so hostile. Although I don't know where else they would go.

01:18:18.300 There's also a problem with people coming back.

01:18:19.860 So with the recent missiles raining down in places like Dubai,

01:18:23.360 if you've been gone for three years and you wanted to come back,

01:18:25.680 you would have to repay your back taxes for those previous three years.

01:18:29.000 Now, they should have put a moratorium out straight on that

01:18:31.200 and said, please come back, we won't.

01:18:32.360 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:32.960 Because you could have had taxpayers come back.

01:18:34.380 At some point, I don't know if it still stands,

01:18:35.660 but at some point Trump was talking about creating a welcoming package

01:18:38.920 to British millionaires who were going to...

01:18:41.060 I don't know whether there's been any movement or development in that.

01:18:43.720 But that's one of the things that the left need to understand now.

01:18:47.120 there is a global marketplace for rich people there's a global marketplace for rich people

01:18:51.600 and capital go will go where it's where it's treated well the french did this supported the

01:18:56.460 the london property market wasn't it after the financial crash was an inflow of russian capital

01:19:00.940 in particular like if you just have to accept the reality that there are millionaires in the world

01:19:05.240 there are billionaires in the world and they sit down and they all have the conversation are you

01:19:09.140 thinking of going yes no okay you are thinking of going where are you thinking of going well i've

01:19:13.100 looked at portugal because it's got this i've looked at switzerland because it's got there

01:19:16.140 There's a global marketplace for rich people, and it's very easy to fly around the world

01:19:19.760 now, and we are not part of that, we're not competitive in that environment.

01:19:24.240 And again, this could be part of like Restore, if they were to do sensible messaging, speak

01:19:28.820 to some of these people and go like, look, we're not going to tolerate you, like, again,

01:19:32.960 bringing in loads of people for cheap labour, but also, we're not going to tax you through

01:19:36.140 the arse.

01:19:37.380 Will that be an acceptable compromise right there?

01:19:40.740 And they might go, okay.

01:19:41.740 We're going to attract rich people back to this country.

01:19:44.140 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:45.140 They want to be here.

01:19:46.140 and be punitive. I'm sure there are lots of rich English people who want to come back to the

01:19:50.900 country because it's where they're from. But they look at the place and they go, well, what is there

01:19:55.340 for me? Well, I'm going to be made poor. I'm going to be put out of business. My kids are going to

01:20:01.240 have all sorts of damaging messaging thrown at them. And then if they put an exit tax in,

01:20:05.780 I'm basically putting myself into prison. So what's the point in coming back?

01:20:11.040 And the thing is as well, these are the sort of genuinely sort of dangerous

01:20:14.340 conversations to the status quo, right?

01:20:16.920 No one, like, where do you see the Conservatives

01:20:20.980 actually having discussions like this?

01:20:23.200 I see the Conservatives tinkering around the edges

01:20:25.240 rather than talking about proper structural systemic changes

01:20:28.180 like we're discussing.

01:20:29.800 And this is why I think we were actually protested.

01:20:33.680 So let's watch some protesters.

01:20:44.340 so i mean having a branch meeting for having a branch meeting

01:20:58.060 for like a bunch of like weird crusties been like we're choosing love and kindness quite old

01:21:03.600 again stop the far right yeah quite old yeah i was on the train out of london on it was saturday

01:21:09.620 wasn't it the uh the big march oh yeah yeah i was on the train i was sat now i was down to

01:21:13.920 faversham in kent i was sat next to an elderly communist couple i had you know like nakedly

01:21:19.720 communist reading material and they'd been on them i didn't speak to them but they'd obviously

01:21:22.680 been on the march they had their little flasks and their you know they if you'd seen them briefly

01:21:26.800 oh bless them little old couple you know but they have this like they're just deranged a hundred

01:21:32.040 million deaths on our conscience a little old couple oh that want me dead yeah but that's the

01:21:38.560 same like these people seemed like genuine lunatics like as i was walking in they started

01:21:43.980 yelling stuff at me i was like okay what do you want to talk about and they just kept yelling i

01:21:47.360 was like okay and so i just walked in i would have happily had a conversation with them

01:21:51.880 but they just sounded like you know how can they not know that black lives matter has been

01:21:57.420 completely exactly like what year is this sign from you know this stand up to racism paid

01:22:03.880 protesters it's like but who who sends paid protesters out to a local branch meeting i

01:22:10.480 feel like these are just leftover signs from whatever protest right whatever big ones they've

01:22:15.020 gone to but genuinely ban the bomb yeah exactly like who are these people greenham common she

01:22:21.120 may have been born in greenham common that one but they've got a sign of an old peace symbol

01:22:24.780 they've had since the 70s or something yeah maybe who knows but that's but this is the point like

01:22:30.200 there was a kind of unseriousness to the protesters yeah where it felt very sort of

01:22:35.100 hyper real where it's like what do we do stand up fight back it's like bro we're not in charge of

01:22:40.100 anything we're a bunch of people in the local area like you know everyone there was from swindon

01:22:44.900 we're just local people who are concerned you think these people were bust in though do you

01:22:49.160 well actually what the the chap who's going to be running uh bristol restore came to you know

01:22:54.740 be present just to see how we're going to do all yeah and he was like oh no i think these are our

01:22:59.400 guys because i've i've had it because apparently well the thing is the the meeting started like

01:23:04.720 7 30 and apparently they'd got there a bit early but they left almost immediately as soon as the

01:23:09.640 meeting began and he thinks it's because they had to get their bus home yeah because there's

01:23:14.200 particular bus times for they were getting home so it entirely possible that these were not locals

01:23:19.620 it's it is interesting the the psychology of it i suppose i don't know how deeply they think about

01:23:24.580 it but obviously this is not going to be televised so these people are you know their protest is not

01:23:28.460 going to resonate very far outside of this postcode i suppose they want to try and exert

01:23:33.120 some sort of moral pressure on neutrals who are seeing it which is tiny isn't it you know really

01:23:37.780 and they just end up looking ratty well that's the thing i mean we got we got um a bit of local

01:23:42.600 news coverage actually right and you can see here like there's thomas from the office right

01:23:48.120 just looking normal and then look at this guy screaming and yelling at him and he's just you

01:23:52.100 know we're just bug-eyed yeah exactly bug-eyed like weirdo communists like refugees welcome

01:23:57.840 stop the far right and Tom's just normal bloke standing there being like I'm just concerned about

01:24:01.160 what's happening this is this hope not hate message that's always delivered with anger and violence

01:24:05.000 yes yeah that's that's that's what I mean like when you when you saw like the people and they're

01:24:10.420 all very reasonable and they're just like no I'm very serious I'm concerned about the future of

01:24:14.040 the country and you've got these lunatics who are like no no no this is how we want the country to

01:24:18.940 be right we're there is there is something of the of the calm chad versus screeching soy jack

01:24:25.200 about this image

01:24:26.500 there absolutely is

01:24:28.060 and I was just like

01:24:29.860 right

01:24:30.040 these people are just

01:24:30.840 deeply unserious

01:24:31.760 you're coming out

01:24:33.120 on a Monday evening

01:24:33.880 to protest

01:24:34.640 a local branch meeting

01:24:36.080 these people are dangerous

01:24:37.540 they're predators

01:24:38.140 they will kill you

01:24:39.320 they will

01:24:40.360 they absolutely will

01:24:41.000 I mean this guy

01:24:41.460 apparently has a history

01:24:42.320 of being an absolute lunatic

01:24:43.920 so we were glad

01:24:44.660 that the police were there

01:24:45.460 but the point is

01:24:47.440 these people are not people

01:24:48.520 who want to solve

01:24:49.420 any of the problems

01:24:50.160 they're happy with

01:24:51.020 the status quo

01:24:51.540 they want the status quo

01:24:52.420 and they recognise us

01:24:53.600 as being something

01:24:54.580 against and outside the status quo and they're like oh no we've got to stop you we've got to

01:24:59.540 stop you it's like okay i don't think you're going to but on the plus side we're happy to know that

01:25:04.580 we're over the target because we're taking flak they see the specter of fascism don't they and

01:25:09.080 that wherever they see that that it just activates their neurons and that's it completely you know

01:25:13.620 i mean one of the one of the funniest things about this is uh that uh they say here well

01:25:18.560 40 people attended the gathering it's like there are more than 40 people in the photo after half

01:25:23.400 the people had left but um what i liked most about this is media were not permitted to attend the

01:25:28.880 meeting inside you didn't even ask you didn't ask i mean i would have said no because it'd be a bit

01:25:34.720 inappropriate but you didn't even ask but um but yeah so anyway we've got we got a bit media

01:25:39.000 coverage as well which was more exciting than i expected but for anyone wondering the meeting

01:25:43.860 went great uh everyone was really really upbeat but somber uh and like no blackpilling right no

01:25:51.900 like that everyone was very very positive we we are going to get to work we're going to fix these

01:25:56.580 problems we're going to get out and do what we need to do to start spreading the message and it's

01:26:00.660 not just our branch that went really well obviously this is uh the western super mayor branch that's

01:26:06.120 that's a great turnout for somewhere like western super mayor um we've got branches everywhere like

01:26:12.100 these are all like look there's our one but these are all other local branches that are just turning

01:26:15.540 out and you realize like it's you know there's there's not it's not just there are some old

01:26:19.460 people but they're also younger people they're also middle-aged people like this is actually a

01:26:23.620 representative demographic profile of the country that is actually turning out for restore and it's

01:26:28.920 turning out quite significantly and then you've got restore doing the national billboard campaign

01:26:33.960 uh handsomely modeled there by harry well done harry uh this is the one in swindon but they're

01:26:38.640 everywhere i mean here's one in clacton for example that i'm sure nigel farage is absolutely

01:26:42.860 thrilled about because he could never put up a billboard that had that message a party that put

01:26:47.400 the british people first france will never be able to do that well zio yusuf's going to come

01:26:52.420 out and be like yes i put the british people first like well you know why can't we have british

01:26:57.680 people in that party then leading that party and so you you can see that there is actually

01:27:01.900 something to this that uh is oh apparently sorry according to the replies apparently this says

01:27:08.420 that this is ai is it said is this called ai or real okay no it's ai well so they're saying that

01:27:16.080 They definitely should put one in Clacton, though.

01:27:18.760 Well, this one wasn't AI.

01:27:20.780 So there is a national billboard campaign.

01:27:22.780 You can tell it wasn't AI because nobody got me to soy jack in it.

01:27:26.840 But the point is,

01:27:27.900 Restore are actually doing the things they need to do

01:27:31.160 to actually get to the point where they need to be in the future.

01:27:34.380 Like you said, a lot can change in three years.

01:27:36.340 And this went really well.

01:27:37.560 And the fact that we got protests,

01:27:38.740 the fact that we got people attacking us

01:27:40.520 for just having very...

01:27:42.140 Honestly, they weren't exciting political conversations.

01:27:44.680 you know they were like okay what are the problems potholes rivers need dredging you know

01:27:49.720 things that need emptying the fact that just you know the immigration is a huge problem the genuine

01:27:55.360 the cost of living crisis the genuine problems with the things that we were discussing and then

01:27:59.760 just to have a bunch of like weirdo soy jacks screeching us over it was just like right okay

01:28:05.980 i think it was very confirming in a way as in no we're on the right side of this issue

01:28:10.720 and they're just lunatics uh we've got loads of rumble rants if you want to go through some of

01:28:16.880 the yeah yeah we'll go yeah so at this point the conversation devolved into a bingo game i think

01:28:23.160 we were just like looking at all of the leftist freaks yeah yeah uh it's not just hospitality i

01:28:28.280 work in the construction and data infrastructure environment and it's dying clients have had their

01:28:32.660 budgets decimated and pay the national insurance and to pay the national insurance and other

01:28:37.100 increases uh it blows my mind after all the injustices and horrors done to the british

01:28:41.260 people restore and reform together still don't hit 35 percent even with the deplorable tories

01:28:45.680 thrown in they're only at 49 percent well one thing to remember is that a lot of these things

01:28:49.900 are localized right so uh large areas of england are still just almost entirely white english and

01:28:55.540 so nothing bad is happening in those areas uh and so it's it you know there's kind of the the fringe

01:29:01.560 that is in direct contact with the way the country has changed they're the people who are most

01:29:05.380 switched on yeah 27 in new jersey and work in philly there's a train to philly three to four

01:29:11.400 miles from my place five dollars 20 round trip parking is 21 daily i drive every day anti-social

01:29:19.060 behavior on the train is a constant plus crime risk so at least with ryan here the worry about

01:29:25.380 anti-social behavior and low-level violent crime does seem to be a factor because it's way more

01:29:30.160 expensive for him to drive and park by the sounds of it binary surfer carl's partly correct duty

01:29:35.220 and achievement status appeal to young men strongly and instinctively if you made conservatism right

01:29:40.600 wing views high status and duty based um yeah i mean that's a good point i mean i think it becomes

01:29:46.760 high status on the face of it right because being a druggy hips hippie partier that's very low

01:29:54.060 status isn't it i also just think if you have again i'm biased because i'm a musician but if

01:29:58.700 you have like cool music backing a movement man that can attract a lot of people you know i was

01:30:03.700 i'm reading a book about the 60s at the moment and it's it's a massive book about like just every

01:30:08.580 aspect of britain in the 60s and one one thing that's really weird is that um because they were

01:30:13.600 trying to have this sort of class leveling uh across the country um all of the working class

01:30:18.320 musicians who came up insanely right wing like the beatles like the the kings oh yeah the kings

01:30:24.760 look they're all insanely right wing george harrison tax man i would still find that hilarious

01:30:30.200 Weren't they on, like, 95% tax or something when he wrote that song?

01:30:34.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:34.860 No wonder.

01:30:36.780 No wonder.

01:30:37.420 But, I mean, like, David Bowie, like, gay icon or whatever,

01:30:40.940 but in the mid-70s...

01:30:42.300 Fascism's a good idea.

01:30:43.420 Yeah, he had a little fascist moment in the mid-70s.

01:30:46.840 I think that was partly cocaine-derived as much as...

01:30:49.760 I mean, of course he would say that, like, later on.

01:30:51.900 He's like, no, no, it was just on a lot of cocaine.

01:30:54.140 But the point is, like, you could see that, you know,

01:30:57.260 oh, the culture's going very liberal,

01:30:58.640 except all the people

01:30:59.620 creating the culture

01:31:00.220 are not liberals

01:31:00.920 at all

01:31:01.640 and they're actually

01:31:02.320 like Michael Caine

01:31:03.600 is another one

01:31:04.080 where he's like

01:31:04.520 really reactionary

01:31:05.760 frankly in his views

01:31:06.820 I mean

01:31:07.860 even like

01:31:08.980 in the late 70s

01:31:09.900 Johnny Rotten

01:31:10.660 John Lydon

01:31:11.400 what is he now

01:31:12.180 he's kind of like

01:31:13.160 right winger

01:31:13.820 like kind of a right winger

01:31:15.200 he went on the MAGA thing

01:31:16.500 and he's certainly

01:31:17.100 not a far leftist

01:31:18.160 or anything these days

01:31:19.300 so it's just interesting

01:31:21.440 again I think

01:31:22.720 people are breaking cover

01:31:24.140 yeah people are breaking cover

01:31:25.420 and I think also

01:31:26.200 the problem with

01:31:27.640 there being no

01:31:28.480 center right art is because like adventurous and creative people are not stodgy and boring in the

01:31:36.540 way that the center left and the center right you couldn't imagine i know supposedly it was like a

01:31:40.860 new waver or something in the 80s but you couldn't imagine keir starmer doing anything daring and

01:31:46.040 inventive to save his life could you the best thing you get is banksy right the closest thing

01:31:50.320 you get is banksy yeah as a center left yeah regime approved art yeah whereas if you go on to

01:31:56.300 the the actual right wing and onto the left wing as well that's where you find active actively

01:32:02.120 creative people making interesting art so i've got a great um comment from tp here where he's like

01:32:08.160 uh don't vote greens you'll have no future and the response is just what future right because the

01:32:13.360 future for a lot of young people looks quite bleak and i think that's the issue that we're

01:32:17.440 getting at right this messaging is just not going to work anymore and so the the question is well

01:32:22.120 what messaging do we use you know and i'm very much on the duty and responsibility yeah no no

01:32:27.900 i'm listening yeah um harry and nago uh says just in terms of like demographics i sometimes worry

01:32:35.120 there are too many leftists and foreigners to win especially by 2029 what do we think no not in this

01:32:41.260 country in america that i know that's five dollars in america you genuinely have that issue because

01:32:45.600 america is something like 57 cent white now so it's the demographics in america are way worse

01:32:50.380 than demographics in europe and they're bad here yeah so no no we we we still have but in america

01:32:56.140 they have the advantage i think they've discovered that what they call latino whatever central and

01:33:00.200 southern american turn out to be quite conservative on occasion as well family oriented and socially

01:33:05.140 conservative but the problem is the democrats are like we're just going to give you free money

01:33:08.680 so they're basically bribing these yeah there's the the thing with that is though that yeah the

01:33:13.700 democrats will give them free money also the democrats do go in a similar way that you find

01:33:18.560 with left-wingers across all of Europe and Britain as well they go well we're not going to apply our

01:33:23.580 standards of insane left-wing social causes to you quite as harshly and they also go we'll also

01:33:30.720 let get more of your family in yeah and give them free stuff as well whereas I actually did I actually

01:33:36.680 looked into this and found that typically even with the more socially conservative like Hispanics

01:33:41.800 and such like Cubans when you bring them over they will still tack that much further to the left on

01:33:47.920 issues like immigration and welfare than white americans do who are voting republican as well

01:33:54.520 so you do have to adjust your policies on the demographic even if they're still voting for you

01:33:59.320 okay well one of the commenters from the website called this gold tier subscription to the lotus

01:34:03.860 seaters was promised to me 3 000 years ago great name by the way uh i went to my local branch

01:34:09.000 first restore britain meeting around 100 people turned up mostly middle-aged but definitely more

01:34:13.900 younger people than turn up for reform meetings so i think i think a lot of what restore is doing

01:34:18.160 is essentially activating the mums and dads there are a lot of women at the conference as well

01:34:22.080 the meeting as well um not that i wasn't hoping there would be women but like a lot of the time

01:34:26.620 you expect it to be mostly just men uh but knows you know lots of middle-aged mums and dads who

01:34:33.020 are just people who are invested in the system like you know i need this to be fixed well in

01:34:36.840 fairness to restore they do have charlie connor lewis you know young people out there uh with a

01:34:42.940 message i'd struggle to think who reform have who's young nicholas lisak i don't think nick's

01:34:53.020 first priority is britain that's a good point um montgomery toms now has come across yeah yeah

01:34:59.300 and it's funny because of um matt goodwin's criticism of the online right but the online

01:35:05.840 right clearly takes the first step yeah yeah and everyone every every part of the online right that

01:35:12.360 was previously reforms gone to restore but they do have some good young people there they do um

01:35:16.860 anyway we're actually over time so we're gonna have to call it there so uh simon where can people

01:35:20.780 find more from you i have a website the simon evans um all my tour dates are on there if people

01:35:26.380 are interested to come and see the show i'm playing in swindon tonight as i say yeah birmingham

01:35:30.380 tomorrow bristol and then leicester uh this week and um the tour is carrying on into the autumn as

01:35:37.780 well and obviously my twitter account or x is the same the simon evans those are the main two points

01:35:42.940 of access right um peter where can people find more from you i have a podcast called the peter

01:35:47.380 mccormack show i've got a very interesting show coming out today at 7 p.m with lynn alden all

01:35:52.300 about the economic system and why we will always be stolen from well that's not a good great news

01:35:57.840 but anyway thanks fun thanks for joining us folks we'll see you tomorrow

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 31, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1386

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