The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1386
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The Lotus Eaters are joined by Peter McCormack, Simon Evans and Harry and Peter to discuss the current state of politics in the UK, and the implications for the future of the country if there is a dead parliament.
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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast, The Lotus Eaters, for Tuesday
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the 31st of March, 2026. I'm joined by Harry and Peter McCormack and Simon Evans. We've
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got a packed show today. We're going to be talking about how we're just suffering under
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a dead parliament walking, but we're going to be talking about the nature of the political
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collapse in the country, because everyone can see it. And essentially, we're kind of
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everyone's just waiting for the old detritus to be washed away, aren't they, at this point?
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Then we're going to be talking about how actually you don't need
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infinite slave labour to do agriculture in the 21st century.
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There have been, what were they called, technological advancements?
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And then we're going to be talking about how Restore Britain is actually on the march.
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And if judging by our first branch meeting yesterday is anything to go by,
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uh there are some people who are worried about this so um right let's uh let's begin um so uh
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if we go to the polls quickly if we can get the right one up please there we go um this this is
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a very bizarre split in the polls at the moment this is the poll of polls on politico as is the
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average of all the polling and so that's not good for anyone i mean maybe it's good for zach polanski
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in the Greens. He's probably the only person who's actually winning out of this. But that is a
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country that is politically shattered and fragmented. As you can see, Nigel Farage has
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definitely gone on his downswing. He was averaging around 30-31% sort of almost a year ago. Now he's
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on 25% on average, which is not a government in waiting, I'm sorry to say. And then you've got
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the Greens, Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems as the only other viable parties. So what do we
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make of this, folks? Is it a reflection of the fact, has Farage adopted the Ming-Var strategy
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too soon? Quite possibly. Everyone said about Starmer he just had to not make any significant
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blunders. He was going to pass the ball into the back of the net, and indeed they did. But you can't
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sustain that for an entire parliament, I don't think, can you? You've got to show that you've
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got some substance to you and also I think I mean this is just off the top of my head but I think
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people do associate Farage with Trump to some extent and the fact that Trump's weather has
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changed dramatically in the last few weeks and months may also be part of that same hang on have
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we been bedazzled by our own populist you know reassuring yeah quite possibly I think the Farage
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made a few dramatic mistakes in bringing so many Tories into his party as well I really think the
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has put him on a set of rails now that has not impressed the public generally and i think that's
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probably a large part of it as well definitely it's been i mean i'm you know i don't have a dog
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in either fight but um i i think it was very disappointing to see him shore up reform with
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just so many damaged goods it just seems extraordinary the whole point of them was
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it supposed to be like we've had enough of the uni party now please welcome ex-uni party member
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not just from the tories though from labor as well yeah they've been taking in the boris wave
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for some reason i think this is just a reflection of the failure of the state uh you've still got a
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bunch of people holding on to the hope that they can vote harder and things will get better and
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there's a lot of apathy and i'm one of those well i'm voting harder there was a yeah but i think it's
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a it's a reflection of that if i think people know there's a problem with the state whether
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you're on the left or the right yeah and people are just kind of hoping where should i put my vote
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you know if i put it with the greens will something get better when i think the problem
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is the state itself and i just think i think what would be interesting to know here is actually the
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non-voting number because it was 40 percent in the last oh yeah and and those are the people
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that really checked out and don't care anymore and everyone else is just trying to vote harder
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to make change but don't really know where to put their vote do you when you say state do you mean
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the civil service i mean the the complete architecture of the government so you would
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what demolish the house of commons or uh no not myself no you're asking what would i do to fix
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this country. Do you not want to see, I mean, parliamentary democracy is a fairly sort of
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uniform phenomenon. I mean, maybe we need a French model with the president or something. Is that the
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sort of thing you think would... I mean, I'm open to discuss it all. I mean, personally, if we have
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to stick with party politics, I would want to abolish as much of the state as possible, as much
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of the legislation, taxation, ministries as possible. I think we have a state that is far
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too big, corrupt and doesn't work. So, I mean, all of those points are demonstrably true, and I'm not
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challenging any of them but i suspect that's not what's going through the minds of the voters
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i suspect what they think what they're thinking is actually i i wish i could find a politics that
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would actually serve the interests that i actually have um as in i would like the cost of living
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crisis to be solved i would like lower immigration i would like to see police actually solving crimes
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and things like this and and so i think that people aren't so much uh thinking in those terms
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but they're more downstream of that when they're thinking about this.
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Yeah, and interestingly, I think a lot of green voters and reform voters
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But I think we really do need a strong anti-establishment movement in this country,
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because there was an anti-establishment movement
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that was going to kind of fix some of these problems.
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you've seen what's happening to the polling and and so yeah i think it's i think it's a really sad
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state of affairs it is and so one of the one of the things that has come out of this i think is
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the most notable is basically the death of the labor and conservative parties right um nigel
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farage was saying how the conservatives aren't a national party anymore which basically is true
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actually in the same way the lib dems are not actually a national party they're the party of
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the sort of affluent southwest uh the conservatives are going to become the party of the kind of
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affluent and aged southeast uh the greens will end up being the party of the inner cities so
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students and migrants and the labor party will become the party of the civil service
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it's extraordinary trajectory for the conservatives especially considering that
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cameron did a lot of work to try and update and modernize their image their profile
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bringing in a lot of uh yeah a lot of specifically and announced that we need to get minorities
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I think that's over right I think you know when you've only got what 34 percent of people who
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would still vote Labour and Conservative they're done they're both cooked I remember the first
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term of Tony Blair and the extent to which the Tories looked like they'd almost been wiped out
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and you were waiting to see whether they could revive and they took three terms to do so you
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know but they did come back and there was never any really plausible alternative opposition during
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that time this is obviously what's changed now people have accepted that plausible alternative
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oppositions can be a thing i think this is way more existential for the labour party
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um conservatives i can see that there's reform voters who are now thinking well i'll go back to
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the conservatives or go to restore i think it's way more existential for the labour party i think
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they're functionally finished as a as a party i could also see a scenario where the conservatives
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and reform do form some kind of merger because if the reform trajectory virtually have already
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haven't they yeah and if you look at the trajectory of the reform party i mean it's it's very easy to
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come out as anti-establishment i don't think you can flip back to anti-establishment once you
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drift to establishment nobody will believe you anymore i don't think anyone trusts the party
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anymore this is exactly what happened with the canadian reform party isn't it yes sprung up
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got great ground and then just merged into the conservative party to thoroughly disappoint
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everyone as you can imagine but i think i think you're exactly right on this right i think that
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the Conservatives probably can survive as a kind of local southeast regional party for the leafy
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shires, right? They probably will limp on for many, many years to go. But I think you're completely
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right. I think the Labour Party, because I mean, for the Conservatives, the coalition that made up
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the Conservative Party, at least that makes sense for it, right? You've got the sort of, you know,
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wealthy retirees who need to protect their pensions. So that's why they vote Conservative.
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But the Labour Party used to be, well, essentially the party of the working class, of course, all
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throughout the 20th century and the working class being a large constituency in the country
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meant they always had a very very firm voter block but then under tony blair there was a kind of
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liberal jihad middle-class jihad that went through the labor party where the managerial elites took
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it over and that meant okay well we've brought in another constituent which is essentially the
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statists and i'm always loath to use the term status because i think libertarians abuse that
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term a bit but these but these people literally are statists as in they think the managerial
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state needs to interfere with every aspect of government. And so they brought in loads of
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migrants, loads of foreigners to be a voting bloc. Well, that's come back to bite them in the rear,
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as you can see by the rise of the Greens, because they actually are not wedded to...
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They also encouraged young people into university in large numbers in order to create a voting bloc
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as well. That's correct. But they're also going to the Greens. And so the Labour Party essentially
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are now the party of the civil service, which means that's a large voting bloc in and of itself,
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but it's not anywhere near a majority and so the reason i bring all of this up is because as it
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stands at the moment out of the 24 front bench labor politicians currently in the government
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19 of them are predicted to lose their seats in the next election wow only 19 only 19 right but
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that that i mean that is a bloodbath right and we'll go through some of it so you've got uh
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starmer in holborn and saint pancras right and there are some interesting um commonalities that
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you'll find through these seats so you obviously you've got starmer here the the predictive green
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70 chance for electoral calculus i think that he's going to get wiped and because of course a lot of
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his voters are going to the green party and uh a portion of them going to reform but no it's it's
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likely to be a green win but then when you look at the uh actual demographics well what's here
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55 white people in his constituency and so okay you you you're the party who brought in the
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diversity and what's the diversity doing well the diversity is betraying you actually they're going
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to another party uh so the prime minister getting unseated in an election even if they don't win
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the government is a highly unusual thing in fact i can't even think of a time when it's actually
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happened uh i guess i don't know i can't think of a time when it's actually happened when has a
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prime minister ever actually lost their seat even if they lose the government no i can't think of
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so this is the historic mismanagement of things as Labour have done so Starmer will lose his seat
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it's likely but then also you've got just the rest of the Labour right here's Shibana Mahmood's seat
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in Birmingham Ladywood again highly predicted to go to the Greens because the Muslim community
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has flipped to the Green Party the Labour it used to be that I think it was something like 96 percent
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of muslims in britain voted labour until very very recently where they've decided and we saw
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this in gorton and denton actually we can just come out for the green party and they kind of
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similar to what happened to labour in scotland you get a sort of went to the smp yeah yeah yeah
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sort of almost single issue party yeah yeah uh and of course i mean the demographics in birmingham
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ladywood 22 percent white and this was this was from the 2021 census as well so these these
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out of date. Yeah, they're about six years out of date.
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again, unprecedented. And a Muslim Home Secretary
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They always complain about her being on the Labour right.
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and she's more right-wing than Farage is on all these issues.
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but I do think that a lot of young people are going to the Greens as well,
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purely because of the fact that Labour are no longer seen as a left-wing party.
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I think that's ridiculous, but of course I see both the Conservatives and Labour
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and all of these as various shades of rather radical extremist left-wing tendencies, frankly.
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But they are seen as part of the centrist, centre-right,
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The Greens are perceived by a lot of young people,
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whether or not they fall directly in line with their own personal politics
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but I've run into a friend or two back home at the pub
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who have said, oh, I found your Twitter account.
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And they go, oh no, I agreed with everything on it.
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And it's like, oh, okay, not what I was expecting.
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and we start talking a bit of politics and I say well who are you thinking of voting for for the
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next election then and they say well greens and it doesn't really make sense to me but from the
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perspective of well who do I have to vote for I have establishment in blue establishment in teal
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or establishment in red or this party that looks anti-establishment to me they're going to go with
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the one that looks anti-establishment yeah and you're absolutely right reform just don't look
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anti-establishment at this point. So why would you want them? So anyway, let me give you an
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example of what you're talking about there. For example, Hilary Benn in Leeds South. Leeds South
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is a constituency where it's still 68% ethnic white. I mean, that's probably gone down by
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probably 5 or 6%, but still majority white area. But that's going to go green as well,
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probably. That'll reform. It's on a bit of a knife edge. But the point that you're making is,
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i think correct a lot of young people just view the greens as just it's not the system the question
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i suppose with the young people always is will they actually vote i mean that's historically
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been their problem hasn't it they will respond to pollsters and they will go on marches and they'll
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wave banners and then on the the important thursday they lie in and um correct and forget
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they're at college yeah i wonder if as things become more and more existential for young people
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looking to the future and seeing that the economy is going down the drain everything's more expensive
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everything's worse the high street is completely destroyed and then if you're a white uh englishman
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who's very young you also see that it's increasingly likely that when the next generations
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die well when the older generations die off you may be left as a minority within your own homeland
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that kind of renewed pressure on them might get them out to the actual voting booths so this was
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the one i actually meant to bring up for you one uh hove and portslate that's me that is you isn't
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it uh it's it's still um 86 percent white i mean it's still a very white area roughly like me but
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but they're they're going green more like carl really yeah yeah no he's actually more like me
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um but they're going green that's interesting how low reform is as well made no impact at all
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because historically when we moved there in 2007 i had a tory mp and had had for many years and it
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used to be it was even a hotbed of the like the national front i think like over along to worthing
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there were union jacks in front gardens and things well they've managed to turn it into libtard central
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yeah um and so yeah it looks like this is exactly what you're talking about it's not that it's
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ethnic minorities voting for the greens it's going to be disaffected labor voters who are
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like but you're not actually a left-wing party can i say this is just personal but from living
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there i feel it's a slightly different thing with the greens as it was in brighton i think it would
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fall into the bracket of luxury beliefs i think it's something that they it's almost virtue
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signaling you know well some of their policies but also the greens with you know people were
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very critical of hannah spencer but for a lot of people she did come across as much more relatable
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and much more personable and much more like a real actual human being yeah than somebody like
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for instance matt goodwin who comes across like a spitting image puppet having uh prompted your
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suspicions uh yeah i mean i we don't need to go into it now but um but there's a lot of simple
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messaging and vibes based messaging coming from the green party yes which appeals to young people
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i was in i was in my gym the other day and there's a young girl working at the till she's doing a
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levels i was chatting to her and she was saying she was doing economics i was like oh fascinating
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so who would you vote for and she said the green party and so which obviously makes no any sense
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to anybody who understands this is like a series of puzzles in which the answer is always the green
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party i want to see an end to immigration well that was the confusing thing with my friends
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where it's like oh you agree with everything on my twitter account and yet exactly yeah and yet
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you're going for the party that's going to be as open borders as possible and sees the entire world
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as a british citizen in waiting but at the same time again that's not how they're considering it
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what part of dancing on a stage in a leather thong in trafalgar square do you not understand
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for people who are just worried about the money that they're having to spend day in day out
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they're hearing the green party who come across again much more like real people
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say we're going to do whatever we can to make your life less expensive to make it so that you're not
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having to struggle day in day out and whatever the specifics behind it that might not all add
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up and make sense most people are not econ nerds even econ nerds studying economics at university
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are not really econ nerds in the way that you would expect them to be they're not studying
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real economics they're studying keynesian economics but they'll be they'll be studying
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the government money printer yeah but i think you're right about this vibe-based politics
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about intentionality right they they perceive from the green party there is an intention to
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help a regular person who's just struggling with their bills whether that's going to happen or not
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it's kind of irrelevant because at the end of the day look at the tracks we're on at the moment at
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the end there's no light at the end of the tunnel anyway even if these people are crazy well it's
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no crazier than the plan for destruction that we're heading down but look at the messaging
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again it's very simple it's hope not hate so if you don't vote for us you're hateful or it's
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marching against the far right and the fascist so if you vote for us or you're a fascist tax
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the billionaires obviously there's a economic problem but it's the billionaires for so it's
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demonizing wealth so it's a very simple message for a young person to understand oh look they're
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fun they dance they dress well they're hopeful they're nice they're kind it's a very easy thing
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for a young undeveloped brain to follow but if you don't actually understand history or economics
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They aren't studying economics in the way they should be.
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Anyway, so you've got other seats such as Rachel Reeves in the north,
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where, again, her seat, if you see, is mostly ethnic white people.
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You know, Rachel Reeves, again, Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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Do they lose their seats even if they lose the government?
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but she's going to uh then you've got uh yvette cooper here who again reform just you know she's
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going to get trounced by reform she's going to be co-hosting with ed yeah she no no she absolutely
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is and the you know lisa nandy in wigan again just going to get absolutely trounced so you can see
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that there's there's a distinct sort of draining out of the coalition of labor the the working
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class of the north is going to the right the immigrants and the student vote is going to the
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left, and the Labour Party are left literally representing virtually nobody. Nobody actually
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Well, that's the point. I want to say, I do think you're not giving young people quite
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enough credit, and I think it's a little bit dismissive to just be like, oh, well, they're
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undeveloped brains. Because again, what you're saying there is that the establishment parties,
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and I include reform in this as well. For young people, they don't look like they actually
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represent you, they look like they represent their own interests and whatever ground reform
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may have been gaining, they have completely tossed away by going, oh well, here's everybody that you
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remember and that you hate from the Tory party of Boris Johnson's government, right? And so they're
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looking at all of these parties and saying, well none of them represent me, none of them seem to
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represent real um real people in this country the greens whatever else you may say about them look
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more as though they are trying to represent real people than just their own interests like all of
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these other parties are and this is where there is the gap that restore needs to fill that i'm sure
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that we'll talk about more in the third segment but it's that restore need to and i think they
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can do a good job of a good job of this as they progress towards 2029 just look like they are
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real people who have the same concerns as all of the rest of you represented by people who are not
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completely disconnected from reality completely disconnected from the real issues that people
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are going through day in day out young old in between whatever that's what restore needs to do
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from the right in a realistic fashion then i stand by my point their brains are undeveloped
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because they are picking leaders of this country based on their personality content well look at
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This is a great and easy example at the moment,
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You look at Argentina, they've reversed their renters' bill
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And so there's a perfect example where the economics
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is proving that the policy doesn't work now you can put this to one of these voters and they'll
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still defend it as a policy so despite all the evidence against it being a failure it increasing
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rents uh reducing the stock reducing the quality they will still vote for it and this is why zach
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polanski is a problem because he's had one discussion so far in economics with rory stewart
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and the war criminal and he came out and said oh my inspiration is gary stevenson is a keynesian
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socialists. Grace Bakely, he's a Marxist, and he talked about money multipliers. And
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You've identified the problem of democracy.
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Yeah, the problem with democracy is we let stupid people vote.
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Well, see, the fact that you do have to let, well, in the system that we're in right now,
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those people's votes still count as much as everybody else's. And I do not disagree at
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all with the actual policies will not work, and they've been shown time and time again
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across the world when they've been implemented, that they cause absolute economic destruction
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of people's livelihoods people's well-being there's no disagreement there but again I think
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the problem is that you don't look at people saying my life is getting worse day in day out
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I'm going to vote for the only people who in my local area seem like they want to make my life
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better and you don't dismiss them by saying oh well you're just a stupid voter that's the attitude
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i think that loses people like matt goodwin any and all goodwill that reform built up because
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matt goodwin has come out so much recently in all of the recent interviews including part of the one
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that you conducted with him and basically said if you are a normal working person in this country
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i look down on you yeah but he is he is he is projected i'm gonna say i can say so the the i i
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i think i think that you're both basically right but just talking at different levels yeah so the
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the question is it isn't actually why isn't the messaging it's not actually from this side the
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question is from the right is well why why is the right not properly transmitting this messaging to
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regular people that says no no we are going to help you we are going to make your life better
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and this is actually going to happen zach polanski is going to make your life worse because he's an
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idiot and doesn't understand anything about economics but we actually do so why isn't our
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messaging hitting like zach polanski's so it's more about environment so we're in a captive
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audience of conservative maybe libertarian people and i'm just being honest when i was at the gym i
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didn't turn around to this young girl so she's going to vote green and said you're fundamentally
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stupid i offered to buy a copy of hayek's road to serfdom and just finish point and bastiat's
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the law said look i read them i'll spend time with you but that's that's that's the problem
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isn't it right that's the like that's you putting on her a weight of expectation of all this extra
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labor like i don't really want to read bastiat's on the law or whatever it is we need but we need
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better messaging exactly it's the messaging right so how how how do we explain to them that actually
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no no we actually know how we're going to make things cheaper for you right we should be able
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to be confidently saying this because the greens have got their fancy economics of well we're just
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going to steal from the rich and okay i mean technically that sounds like it might work uh
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there are going to be second and third order consequences there but we why haven't we perfected
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a messaging that says no no we're going to make sure that things are cheaper for you and that you
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can get a job so you can afford things why then you have to choose are you going to have tactical
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honest messaging or you're going to go the same kind of but that would be honest messaging right
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even though it would be vibes based messaging it is true that as you say we've got the evidence to
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show if we actually stop the state from holding everything down everything works properly and
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rents get cheaper right that is true so even if we we can approach vibes a truth a true a true
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message with vibes based messaging if that's how they react can i just clarification when you say
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we i mean the rights the right generally because obviously the tories reform restore they all have
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slightly different problems to overcome in that regard traditionally and historically the tories
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had the advantage that it the country did just work better under their administrations and then
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once a certain amount of prosperity had been restored people go right it's time to redistribute
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that prosperity and that would cause collapse again but the that has all fractured now and gone
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so i think yeah what you need is thomas sowell essentially isn't it to come on news night on a
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regular basis reincarnated in whatever form and and just lay down some basic precepts of basic
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economics but again i think you're assuming more engagement from the actual people that harry's
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talking about than is present right yeah i think actually the greens have the right strategy here
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which is essentially vibes based messaging on the things you believe and so what the right needs to
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do is take this very complex but probably accurate economic theory and compress it down into bullet
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points that will actually exist though the bullet points exist they have been but then they need to
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be properly transmitted because i'm not aware of what the bullet points are so do you think it's
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more important to try and change people's mind and decision on which party to vote for or to get
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non-voters out to vote well i think they're both very important the problem with non-voters is
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you don't necessarily know why each individual person isn't voting right so there are going to
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be you know groups and categories but who knows and so i can see why they fight for the politically
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engaged but obviously you want to win over both i think if you've got a danger which i do regard
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the green party as being a danger if they were to get into power that would be almost an existential
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threat to the to the nation at that point it's perhaps more i think broadly and traditionally
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it's more important to uh awaken your base and get them out motivate them but in this case
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it is it's absolutely urgent to demonstrate beyond uh any kind of reasonable doubt for a
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reasonably intelligent 18 year old that the policies they're pursuing will cause ruination
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in that regard ma'am darnley might possibly be that's not good enough though it's not just that
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it's also saying you need to you don't just lead with saying they're terrible you lead with saying
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we are the best and we will do what's right for you in this country absolutely you leave but i'm
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just saying it should be unusually to a higher degree than usual it should be important to
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provide message warning against the the temptations we've done segments about the greens before as
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well don't don't worry no i don't mean you i mean everyone you know everyone yeah but the the the
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problem is like um zach polanski is actually doing very well at the moon deflecting all of that
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because he can just say we don't care about their opinion we're just going to steal from the rich
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and guess what you know everything's going to be great for you and let's have a little dance
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it's like okay i mean this obviously you know people of our age were looking at this thinking
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well that's lunacy but obviously people of harry's age are not thinking that's lunacy right and it
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well see one of the one of the things is okay right the the the rich and the billionaires many
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of them in this country genuinely have not done much to endear themselves i agree with the voting
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public and i say this from an actually right-wing perspective the billionaires like the owner of
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next lord wolfson and others who immediately following the brexit vote said fantastic this
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means we can get more cheap labor in from the commonwealth the ones who wanted to take advantage
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of the system to disadvantage working british people by changing the demography of the country
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in a way that benefited them financially that is a documented thing which has happened most people
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do not see it that way because for so long the sort of discussion of corruption within the
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higher echelons of society has been completely monopolized by the left and so the right does
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need to occupy some of those talking points but from an actually true perspective saying that
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when people say it's very easy I see this all the time for people to say well billionaires are just
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convincing you that immigrants are the problem and you need to be honest and say well actually
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a lot of those billionaires are the reasons the immigrants are here in the first place
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and they are using those immigrants as a battering ram against the gates of britain and to devalue
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the power that each individual britain holds in the political system there are many different
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texts that need to take obviously i've not thought about all of them right off the top of my head
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right now but these are issues and if you just come across as reform do in many ways and
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conservatives and even labor i think this is one of the reasons they've lost a lot of the younger
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votes as though you are protecting vested interests rather than working for the voter
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themselves that's why people switch off the green however insane they are do not come across like
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they're just protecting the pockets of billionaires that's it's a really good point and i agree with
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you and i think it's one of those sort of misunderstandings isn't it a factor is for
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instance as being conservative when it was really arch liberal and it's the liberal ethos that
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opens the borders and tries to equalize the the level of cheap labor across a continent
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there's a there's a balance that can be made between the nation's needs and wants and the
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wants of the people and also business and allowing for innovation and protecting businesses in ways
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that mean that uh that you will be able to foster innovation but for most people over the past 30
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years it looks as though any balance has been completely thrown aside and it's all just been
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given over to a lot of people see the reasons why their lives are so much worse off and more
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expensive as being the fault of billionaires and again from a right-wing perspective there is truth
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in that but the only people making that argument for so long have been left-wingers from a left-wing
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perspective who leave out all of the pertinent details about things like mass immigration being
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great for billionaires because it allows them to import a slave labor cheap class do you think
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conservatism has a branding problem oh yes well i think i think the problem with the brand is just
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what have you conserved i don't mean i don't mean in that way i mean in the look whatever you think
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of the green party if you're a young left liberal it looks like a bit of fun looks like young people
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out there who care whereas conservatism is a it's young people in suits and ties the funny
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it's not a criticism do you know no no the funny thing is that the later the the tories and the
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green party i would argue have a lot of crossover in the kind of fun that they enjoy but they do
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advertise and broadcast it differently but i mean so i think there's i think if you're still living
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with your parents or you're still subsidized by your parents you have a lot more luxury in your
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vote than if you're actually out there working trying to you know pay your rent pay your mortgage
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buy you know create a family and so if if you're not being hit economically in that way where at
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the end of each month everything gets a bit harder then you have a kind of a luxury in your vote and
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therefore maybe it does come down to what is a bit cold what are other people seeing this because
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we know for example if you work in any kind of office in london you cannot admit to being a
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conservative voter, you'll be... Oh, yeah. I mean, well, that's another thing as well,
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especially with young people. Yeah. Like, if you're a young person, around my age or younger,
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I go to the local pub, if I said to anybody, oh, I'm a dedicated, lifelong conservative voter,
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and they were around my age, they wouldn't want to spend time with me. They wouldn't want to
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speak to me. So there is a similar thing with reform. I've been in the middle of conversations
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with random people who are slightly younger than me where they've got a bit drunk and they've just
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gone off completely unprompted when we weren't even talking about politics about how they hate
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Nigel Farage he's a complete fascist why would anybody who votes for him is just a Nazi in
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disguise and I felt like talking up speaking up and just being there actually he's just another
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renter suit neoliberal but I thought to myself as well and this is this is also a little bit on
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the uninformed stupid voter side as well, which is that they're not going to understand my talking
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points. They're not going to understand what I'm saying. They've not got the context to really
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understand what I'm talking about here. So there is definitely a lot of social pressure that goes
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into at least how young people will be telling others that they're voting. Because the Greens
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are very much an anti-establishment party, but their solution to it is to have a bigger
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establishment. And I think what could cut through a little bit more punk rock is an anti-establishment
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party who wants to abolish as much of the establishment as possible.
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Right, we don't have time to carry on down this road. I think there's a lot more to it.
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People in the chat I see are talking about aesthetics, and to be fair, this is something
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that I hopefully will be working on, and I want to see other people working on as well,
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which is that this is partially because of gatekeeping, and also frankly partially because
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of the fact that the centre-right, as occupied by the Conservatives, are frightfully dull
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and uncreative people. There is no exciting, youthful, creative scenes on the right. There's
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like, I want, I'm a musician, I play music, and I want there to be more people within
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the scene who are sharing my political views, who are not necessarily trying to, in a timple
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way make right-wing music they just are right-wing and they make good music and once you have a cool
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and energetic and dynamic scene for people to want to get involved in divorcing it from the
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politics people will want to get involved in that if you write good music if you make good art of
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any kind people will want to get involved in that and hopefully i'm hoping that this year next year
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people will start to develop a little bit of that more because young people want to be part of social
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groups yeah everybody's deracinated everybody's atomized and isolated from one another but people
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still seek community it's an obvious uh example but one thing charlie kirk did really well is make
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conservatism call for young people in america he came out in a t-shirt he gave out baseball caps
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he went to university campuses he made kind of the bro culture realize conservatism is
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much cooler than being a wet lefty the problem that our conservatives have i guess we could
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just carry on talking about this if you're right to skip your segment because there's a lot here
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to get no that's that's absolutely fine don't worry about it and it'll tie directly into yeah
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so the the problem is that no the only the only way to be cool in modern politics i think is to
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genuinely be anti-establishment right to genuinely be like saying no those people hate us and don't
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want to have anything to do with this they don't want us anywhere near power because they are
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protecting as harry saying like a system of billionaires and entrenched interests right
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and there's no way that reform in the Conservatives
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and part of the system protecting the entrenched interests
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of billionaires, institutions, NGOs, all that sort of thing.
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So when Nigel Farage, I think it was last month,
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which is, one, a lot of people were immediately theorizing
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that he was coming out with such messaging to protect the value of major properties within
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London and other cities that act as office buildings. If all of those emptied out or are
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less full more of the time, then potentially the value of them decreases and the large business
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owners and property owners who own those and have those in their portfolios, they take a hit to
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their bank account. So a lot of people see that, okay, he's just protecting big business interests
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there the other thing is a lot of young people my age are going well travel is expensive commuting
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is really expensive I already have enough of a difficult time trying to manage work life and
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costs on top of everything and Nigel Farage is saying the one or two days I get to work from home
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now I have to spend more of my life on a commute either alone isolated in my car or on busy
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dangerous public transport, all of which is way too expensive. Now public transport in this country
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we all know is an absolute joke. The cost of it is through the roof and fuel is now getting more
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expensive because of the geopolitical circumstances with Iran and the Strait of Hormuz, etc. So they're
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just saying, okay, so what is reform offering me as a young person? Well, more of my life spent away
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from my family and friends and more of my money down the toilet unnecessarily. For what? So that
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So that is not a winning ticket for the youth vote.
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It also comes across, frankly, as a bit of boomer baiting.
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Did he not attempt even to make the case that going to work is actually mentally healthy?
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My wife has been working from home for a long time, you know, because of balancing with the kids.
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And I think it drives you slightly crazy, you know, just being in the box room all day when you should be in a large open room.
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Yes, there's disadvantages of public transport, but there's beers after work.
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what you need to do is you need to reboot the corporate environment the corporate culture
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to make workplaces more fun again i mean it's not necessarily about making work even that it's fun
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there are real issues here like uh as you say like we were talking about the price of the trains
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coming down for the podcast it's unbelievable like if i want to go to dead cot parkway it's a 15
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minute trip it costs 20 quid that's more than a pound a mile it's like sorry how is that possible
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it's possible because of course loads of foreign governments own our trains and then when you get
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on the trains you are surrounded it's completely packed and you've got a billion people from other
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countries talking in strange languages on their phones and it's like what has happened here this
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is just a demonstrably uncomfortable thing a lot of people won't want to admit it but the fact of
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the overcrowding of the country due to all of the foreigners who've been imported in as well is one
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of like it was the foreigners that attacked the train near cambridge late last year people don't
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say it explicitly but it is always something at the back of their mind if i get on public transport
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today and I'm going to my job in a big city, am I going to be the victim of a terror attack?
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Do people really get on the train and think, today, am I going to be the victim of a terror
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I have to think that it does play into some people's calculations.
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People don't like getting on public transport that much anymore.
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I understand concerns of public safety, and I understand the correlation with terrorist
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I mean, personally, I get on the train, I think, is today the day I go AWOL?
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Well, obviously, perhaps that was a bit of an exaggeration.
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However, still, they are thoroughly unpleasant spaces to occupy.
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I think it's just casual violence that I think a lot of people...
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I personally do find almost everyone else on a train
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Just their multiple presences, too much to process.
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When I go to London and I see a random man wandering around looking weird,
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he looks highly strong and he's like staring i'm always like jesus christ is this the day
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when one of those viral videos that comes across your twitter time and happens to me like i saw
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one this morning of a woman like a bunch of girls were running to a train and a bunch of ethnic
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minority men were kicking them and spitting them and one of them kicked this woman and she went
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under the fucking train right and i'm just like you saw that oh a video literally this video like
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you know the platform video and i'm just like i mean this i think i retweeted it and tagged
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stella creasy that any thoughts stella because it's just because i don't think many go through
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her no exactly because it's just like like we we live in an in an era where there's just a high
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potential for low-level violence there is also just to play devil's advocate because i don't
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like it but there is also the availability heuristic thing isn't there you that's the
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kind of video that goes around the world and i'm not i'm not saying that you know it has not happened
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to me thank god right but you you realize that we are in a much more dangerous environment than
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we used to be right it could be that some nutter stands up on a train and does something or
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someone like the the indian man who drove through like a dozen people in derby recently i've got to
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say i don't think this i mean i'm i don't know whether this is part of the calculation young
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people are making when they hear faraj saying we want to end working from home i would say that is
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a little bit like saying okay listen you're putting on weight you're getting unfit you need
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to get out on your bike and ride an hour around the you know the yeah there is a danger you might
00:42:55.800
go under a juggernaut but on the whole that you're likely to have health benefits overall i think it's
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similar with working from home yes there is potentially a danger that you'll encounter an
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incident on a commuter train it's much more likely one thing on a series of things right
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and also it's a generally healthier format for your life though isn't it i don't somewhere and
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work somewhere else isn't it i don't i don't know how healthy most people being cooped up in
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like five days a week eight hours a day pointless office jobs is yeah but that's not healthy if
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you're cooped up in your own home automated anyway if you're doing that same job at home
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i mean i understand a lot of jobs i listen i left corporate work after three years and i've never
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done a day's work since and luckily for me it's kind of worked out i understand you know strip
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lighting and and being 50 yards from the nearest window it's miserable but but it's not much
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hard to look yeah we've kind of deviated from the point sorry of the aesthetics of conservatism
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yeah yeah it's a bit of a struggle but i i was leading to a point is that um one trick the
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left apport is very good is to make the term right wing a pejorative like if you're right wing you
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must be evil which is i try and avoid talking about it i think it's much better to talk about
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freedom and liberty because there is a strong alignment between freedom and liberty and parts
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of the conservative movement and again it's a thing charlie kirk did really well he would wear
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t-shirt with freedom on there he would anchor a lot of things back to freedom and liberty and i
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think that's an area you can win a lot more arguments with young people because you can
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explain to them why free speech is important why free trade is important important and you can win
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you can at times agree with the left at times agree with the right almost every argument you're
00:44:31.540
going to win if you base yourself in freedom and liberty not everyone but a lot of a lot of the
00:44:35.800
arguments and and you know where the right where it's where sorry where the the the march on the
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weekend was a march against the far right it was a march against the far right and the fascists
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if you can separate from that if you can separate yourself from that by saying no i base myself in
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freedom and liberty well you don't want to be anti-freedom you don't want to be anti-liberty
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and this is what uh appeals to me about restore is that it it appears to be much more focused
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And I just think that's a way you can win young people over.
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So there's a number of problems here, which is,
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well, essentially Zach Polanski will always win the argument
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I disagree. I'd eviscerate him in a debate on freedom and liberty.
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No, he wouldn't. He would say, I want complete freedom.
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You don't even want gay pride marches marching through kindergartens.
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and because we're in an era of vibe-based politics you seem like the dinosaur
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defending the status quo whereas he seems like the edgy radical who's actually going to help
00:46:08.780
people out even he requires coercion but even yeah but so what like he like he's saying yeah
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we're going to coerce the billionaires and everyone's like great the billionaires are
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getting coerced and i'm getting a bunch of free stuff so actually you look like you're defending
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status quo because what you're saying is not materially different to what nigel farage or
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the conservatives would say right whereas zach polanski what he's saying is materially different
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So essentially what you have to ask yourself is,
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Well, I'm sure he does like drinking and smoking.
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And you know that it's only through duty and responsibility
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that we're going to get a civilization worth living in, right?
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And everyone knows that it'll just be the lowest common denominator
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and everything gets reduced to the ground level.
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So everyone's poor, everyone's in danger, everyone's suffering.
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And it's only going to be through an actually sort of credible right-wing movement
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that's saying, no, no, no, you have something you have to do.
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You've got a wife and kids. You've got responsibilities. You're not free. I'm not free. I've got a wife and kids. But what I do have is something really precious that's worth protecting. And actually, I think that speaking to especially young men saying, look, you could get something precious that's worth protecting as well. I think that actually makes me sound like someone who's completely outside the consensus.
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I've never heard a politician speak about anything in these terms,
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And so I'm really against trying to beat Zach Polanski
00:48:29.540
Obviously, we're going to get freedom and liberty,
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he can win on that because he's on a stage
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with a bunch of gay guys gyrating, and you're not.
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freedom's been denatured and devalued through discourse it's in american politics people
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the left will always demand freedom and equality despite you know just just blank face against the
00:48:53.900
obvious fact that those two things are in opposition exactly and they don't care and
00:48:58.320
they've also individualized the concept of freedom freedom historically never meant freedom of the
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individual it was meant freedom of a people from foreign subjugation yeah that's what freedom in
00:49:08.300
its traditional sense meant and it's only in the sort of modern ideological parlance that we use
00:49:12.700
freedom on an individual basis which essentially necessitates the size of the state because of
00:49:17.740
course the state has to then take on other protective aspects that communities would
00:49:21.700
actually take on and so are you looking at me very skeptically but like because i think the
00:49:26.540
message is is if it's an anti-establishment movement then freedom is a small state um
00:49:31.680
because it's freedom from the state and it definitely does need to be a state i think
00:49:36.420
we can all agree we all agree needs to be a small state's evil and we need to destroy it but
00:49:40.280
we all agree with that but that's that's only one interpretation of freedom that's the problem
00:49:45.740
right it's punk rock to be an individualist to rely on the state it's pretty wet well the thing
00:49:51.440
is and i think that is a message that i think that aligns with your duty message i mean don't
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get me wrong yeah this i'm not saying this isn't what i believe obviously i believe this one of
00:50:00.140
One of the big appeals of Restore's initial thing was just when Rupert No Nonsense said,
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this will be difficult, it will be painful, which to me as a young man is putting forward
00:50:11.960
like a sense of duty, responsibility, honour, sacrifice and danger that you don't get from
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One of the reasons that I do think that this kind of, what we were talking about a moment
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ago with office work and pointless email jobs and do nothing like make work schemes is the fact
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that they are they're safe they're comfortable they're pointless and most young men in those
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that's why they're perfect for women i love you women but it's why it's they're perfect for women
00:50:40.340
because the woman can love a job where all she has to do is sit around answering emails all day and
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taking three four hour long meetings every day where they can basically just gossip right as a
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man i would rather throw myself off a bridge and ironically you know you know the old um sort of
00:50:58.780
you know uh newspaper you know men needed for hard journey you know small chance of success you know
00:51:05.000
imminent danger but glory if we survive and you know you'd flocked that i'd flocked yeah like you
00:51:10.140
know like that sounds appealing if you talk about if you talk about freedom there is no greater
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prison than the feminized HR woman dominated like dictatorship office job right the idea of the okay
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we're going to save the country we are going to reassert order and values and standards that to me
00:51:34.380
is a greater rush of freedom than any amount of hedonism pornography drugs casual sex anything
00:51:44.440
the current society could offer me because they are simply soma because the the problem of the
00:51:49.520
term freedom sorry i'm not going is it literally can just degenerate into hedonism right whereas
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um to to take on the aspect of duty and responsibility it assumes that you have a
00:52:03.400
level of freedom anyway to be able to choose that right to be able to do that but it also offers
00:52:07.740
things like status offers glory it offers respectability and every young man knows he
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needs some status to get his wife right every young man knows this instinctively so i i'm i'm
00:52:18.480
do you see the point that i'm making i think we're both right well that's a very diplomatic way of
00:52:24.100
no i do i say no no because you know i think of how i raise my son right again hard work
00:52:31.120
raft doesn't get away with things um he has a authoritarian maybe he has a duty to look after
00:52:37.020
a system where i'm not around that's what i teach across but i also teach him the responsibility
00:52:40.600
the principles of freedom and liberty and why they're important why we need a small state the
00:52:44.560
smallest possible state so i you know on an individual level i think i'm teaching both to
00:52:48.900
my son so i agree both right that sounds like a very anglo way of raising him it is but the
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the anglo conception has always been freedom with responsibility and duty and the two and this is
00:53:00.640
historically going back to the greeks as well the two could never be disconnected from one another
00:53:05.040
and what we have now is a complete disconnect but you're selling you want to sell duty and i guess
00:53:10.380
what you're you're talking about is at a time when we had a lot more freedom we had a duty
00:53:15.180
the duty comes with the freedom yeah the duty comes with the freedom because you didn't have
00:53:19.420
a state to always rely this is the problem with zach polanski and the the greens act as a kind
00:53:23.920
of siren song which is liberty from responsibility right they no no no we're just going to give you
00:53:28.840
free money we're just going to steal from those evil billionaires who took all of your resources
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i'm just going to hand it out to you so you can come and join us in our big gay parties we
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we'll take loads of drugs and just dance forever at the end of history and there'll be no problems
00:53:40.640
this is the problem they've had in america for a long time right with the uh traditionally the
00:53:45.360
the american dream was open to everyone in theory you could look a president straight in the eye if
00:53:50.320
you met him in a bar and you were no better or worse than him and the potential to make something
00:53:54.140
for yourself was there once that begins to dissolve it hasn't never been quite as enshrined in the
00:53:59.300
british um constitution or whatever but once it's it's not even feasible that you're going to own
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your own home let alone kind of make it in any meaningful sense then then that door slams shut
00:54:10.520
right and and that's as you say when when polanski starts to look like he's got solutions exactly and
00:54:15.280
especially if you've got a bunch of young people who have never i mean given the paradigm that
00:54:20.480
we're in the sort of like hr tyranny that we've been in like taking responsibility is not the
00:54:26.840
core message of this paradigm right it's actually be a good surf and it's easy as you say with the
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soma to keep the serfs on the plantation by just making sure well we're just going to give you a
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bunch of things make you dependent upon us and you're going to become dependent on our drugs
00:54:41.780
and therefore you will never revolt because you don't even realize that you're a serf you don't
00:54:46.620
realize you're in prison and that cheap carbs and that that's but that that's been essentially this
00:54:53.000
is why zach polanski is not actually an anti-establishment figure what he actually is
00:54:57.100
is the fulfillment of the establishment because that's what labor have been promising that's what
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conservatives ended up promising under blair and that's what reform are doing as they are accepting
00:55:05.420
all these conservatives and so zach polanski is really just the end result of the honest version
00:55:10.560
of the entire paradigm the the sort of um uh the paradigm that seeks to just end suffering and pain
00:55:17.080
that's the entire point of our governance and i actually think that the real anti-establishment
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like no we're going to bring you pain you're going to hurt it's going to be hard work but at the end
00:55:27.460
it you're going to have built something glorious monumental and you won't even recognize the person
00:55:32.580
that you used to be which was malay's message as well this will be i think one of the other
00:55:37.780
appeals of it again referring back to rupert's announcement for restore is that it's true yeah
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it's one thing that we've missed discussing all of this so far is just truth and how much that
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appeals to people labor don't come across as honest because they just come across like they're
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for vested interests, but they're pretending to be on your side. Reform, again, kind of projects
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the same message as Labour in that sense. The Conservatives don't come across as honest because
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we already had 14 years of their governance and there's also the elephant in the room that they're
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a big gay club that won't admit it. Greens, the honest factor with them is that they are exactly
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what they say on the tin, right? They have the big gay parties for their party meetings and they say
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vote for us and you'll get more of this they leave out the parts where it's like also complete
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economic collapse you won't be able to buy bread at the supermarket but you will definitely get
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more drugs and gay sex under the greens so people see that and go well they're giving me honesty
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restore are trying to or should and continue trying to pitch an honest assessment of where we are
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and what it will take to fix this and people want the truth they don't want liars anymore
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and one very good part of the branding is the don't care yeah i actually think that's very
00:57:00.320
zach polanski has that i mean literally today he was being attacked by the daily mail or something
00:57:04.820
i don't care about the mail just join our party and you know his his supporters love it in fact
00:57:09.800
samson can we go to the last segment we'll go through this one now because let's get on to
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talk about restore because i think the discussion yeah no that was a good discussion i think is
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important as well um so uh before we begin we've got a live event on the 11th april it's gonna be
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brilliant come and join us anyway right so um yeah there we go right so um i'm i'm chairing the
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restore swindon brunch just because someone has to do it and i happen to have uh a team of people
00:57:33.440
who are also invested in helping and that's about half the people who turned out that's because at
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the end of it we were like right who wants to have their photo taken about half people like okay
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no thanks you know because we had protesters outside but the swindon brunch is active
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and it's uh it's going quite well and as you can see here restore uh when prompted by find out now
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in their polls are on eight percent in the polls and that's pretty good actually for a party that's
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been a party for 11 days now so there's definitely some legs to this and it's definitely going
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somewhere and this is um not just uh an issue uh a thing for us i mean there have been loads loads
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of these where you know these are surprisingly well attended um events and as you can see there
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are you know older and younger people so one thing that i found with ours is the consistent
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demographic slice across the country this isn't nigel farage his his you know bingo care hall
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tour this is people of all sorts of ages but a lot of them i think most of them were people
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about our age peter just quite interesting about this there's a little bit hannah spencer about
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this yes it's a regular people who like i just had enough i mean for for example this chap here
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is a guy called scott and he's the uh he's gonna be chairing the chippenham branch of restore i've
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known him for about 30 years unbelievably good guy one of my best mates and he's just a regular guy
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he's just like no i've just got to come and do something now i have to come and get involved
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with this now because i've seen the state of the country and well i didn't i mean he didn't want
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to be involved in politics in another did i you know and yet we've been dragged into this by
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the sheer decline of this country and the complete unseriousness of basically every person on every
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side that with really completely unacceptable the the refusal to accept that the thing that
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has come before has ended right this is what i think we can all agree the blairite paradigm
00:59:23.800
that is the culmination of the 20th century politics it's over it's just over and so now
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it's basically zach polanski and rupert lowe saying i don't care to the center i don't care
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about your opinion uh we know you're wrong and you know you can either agree with us or disagree
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with us um but there is definitely something changing definitely something changing any
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thoughts well i suppose i excuse me again i am i agree with you about the don't care thing which
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is a question of framing right it's it's not allowing the other side to choose the frame
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and to choose the the language view you adopt and that whole dems of the real racist kind of
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nonsense is very tired i suppose i suppose the obvious query is do you do you see restore as
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having a chance to form a government and if not are they more likely to do damage i mean this is
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the big thing now as we're moving into a multi-polar at least five viable parties at the
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next election what kind of uh coalitions are likely to to um be formed before polling day
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and after polling day and we are we now in sort of continental territory where um again
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unintended consequences can completely disrupt well you know well-managed campaigns and so on
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i think it's um always easy to take a snapshot of what things look like at this time and think that
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this is uh indicative of the the state of affairs in say three years time in the next election right
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but i'm actually much more of a fan of watching where the sort of the liquid is flowing um because
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which container is going to fill up and the liquid of politics is obviously flowing into the green
01:00:58.500
party but it's also flowing out of reform now it's flowing into restore uh and so this is just
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a matter of time now it's the slow drip drip drip of the water wearing down the rock uh what's it
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actually going to fill up and i think it's essentially going to come down to the green
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party and restore in the next three years now i'm terrible at making predictions i hate making
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predictions and you know who knows what happens tomorrow but if the way that things are going i
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think the lib dems will basically stay where they are but i think the labor and the conservatives
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are done i think reform is going to bleed out and i honestly think that if reform gets down to about
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19 in the polls farage will just pack it in right yeah what's what's your guys take on it
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well i i mean i i think uh reformer we're going to see an epic collapse i think the the generic
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moment was the obvious moment to me and you started to get the sense beforehand but the
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generic moment to me was uh this party's finished it's it's done i agree with you i can see a
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scenario where uh farage quits because he'd rather do that than lose and then reform gets uh merged
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into restore with rupert as the the natural leader but i can also see a a scenario where
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reform and conservatives try and merge in some kind of way but what's more interesting is is
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there's really a what feels like a 50 50 split lefty right in the country and so what's going
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be really interesting is how strategic this gets at the next election because it really is a left
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right split now yeah and i think harry was right earlier that essentially the left can't attack us
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on immigration right because the the two top issues in the country and you know it's constantly
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going up and down is immigration in the economy right and that's if you look at how the parties
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are shaking out well restore britain are most concerned about immigration and the greens are
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most concerned about the economy so who can take territory from who well the greens can never take
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are anti-immigration territory because they're fully committed diversity immigration and things
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like that so the greens have got this natural sort of barrier there that they can't cross
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but actually i don't think restore have that natural barrier when it comes to the economy
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and if we can get the good conservative sort of economic messaging and vibe it and say no look
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this is why you're losing money you know the billionaires are bringing in millions of immigrants
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to steal your jobs to compress your wages which is true right if if restore can actually get a
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strong vibes-based economic message based in truth that actually you know your friend who's
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voting green but agrees with your twitter feed if we can get that into their heads then actually we
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can park our tanks on their lawn but they can come nowhere near us because what they would
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have to concede is yeah these immigrants actually don't belong here and they could never concede
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that so i think actually with the potential is there for quite a significant success i think
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there's a couple of international things that might change over the next two or three years
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obviously, Israel-Gaza was a major force in creating a Muslim bloc in the last general
01:03:49.600
election. I would think that that specific, you know, aspect of the Middle East is waning. But
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obviously, the Middle East remains very volatile. And a lot of people are already factoring in a
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worldwide recession off the closure of the straits. So, I mean, that's going to be a serious
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issue that people are going to have to show they have at least some competence in handling and
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understanding at that point i think it's what's also interesting is you know we i don't think
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we'll ever stop talking about left and right but they clearly mean different things than they did
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during the french revolution and they've evolved over time and the labor party as you say used to
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represent the working class and that was about sort of social so small small less socialist
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redistribution or whatever now obviously one axis is the somewhere's anywhere's axis one axis is
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how committed are you to dissolving the blob you know whatever you want to call it and you know
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the state as you say how committed are you to leaving the echr these kind of issues are
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as much about competence as they are about vibes i think because it's one thing to say
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if you're a green party we will tax the billionaires and if they decide to leave
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well sodom we don't need them anyway actually you do need them they're wealth creators and
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that's a disaster but it's much more complicated to say we will downsize the the civil service
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That is a massive, I mean, that is Blair's legacy, essentially.
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One thing that I was going to say, and it was kind of going to tie into my segment, which we've skipped over.
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We do also need pro-business messaging so that both normal people can be assured that they will be able to start their own businesses
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that will not have busybody overhead management, over-the-shoulder management of every minor aspect of their business.
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it's more excessive regulation and tax yeah yeah exactly exactly excessive tax and regulation
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but also for those larger corporations as much as a lot of them have been a problem people are right
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when they say that the flight of billionaires is a huge hit to the tax base of this country
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which is not a great thing for everybody else as well so there does need to be some sort of
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compromise or we say perhaps the businesses listen you cannot be advocating for these policies that
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bring in hordes of foreigners who demographically change and culturally change the country purely
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for the sake of of um like reduced labor costs but at the same time we are going to work with you
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in ways that mean that you will be able to conduct your business in a way that's faithful to this
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country where you can still make money it's interesting as well from that point of view
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larry think isn't it a black rock yeah it was quite um like widely shared uh interview recently
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in which he says that the era of cheap slave labour
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are best placed to take advantage of the automation and the AI and so on,
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which is going to rush in because they are going to be kind of desperate for it
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and it will make immediate sense for them to adopt technologies
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whereas any country which still has cheap labour on tap is going to hesitate.
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I think you were saying something before we went on air,
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Yeah, basically for like large farming corporations and companies
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putting forward of some subsidies with upfront capital costs
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for automating using technology, crops and such,
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which means that you will still be able to have people working on those farms,
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high skilled people working on those farms with that technology but the amount of productivity
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that you get per staff member per employee on those farms is over and above like more than double
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in some cases what you'll get so the the segment i was going to do was going to talk about in america
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there was an example named in the new york times where a dairy farmer who was no longer able to use
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illegal labor on his farm because of course they'd snatched up all of the illegal labor that was
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working on his farm, instead decided to put the upfront capital costs into automating using
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technology. And now the staff that work for him are paid more. They work better hours. The work
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is less labor intensive. And per head now, per member of staff, he's gone from producing, I
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believe, per person, it was 800,000 litres of milk, something like that. I don't remember if
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it was litres or what measurement they were using. Either way, 800,000 litres of milk per person.
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Now he's making two and a half million litres of milk per person. That's more than tripled the
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productivity through intelligent use of technology and new investment in capital, which is the thing
01:08:39.100
that always happens. We were talking about it earlier on this morning, where the Roman Republic
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were in a position where they could have improved technology, they could have updated, they could
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have had an industrial revolution. Why didn't they? The typical agreement is because they had
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free access to slave labor. It is something that does completely retard technological advancement
01:08:58.220
and growth. And this country does not need to sustain a population of 70 million, however many
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people are here right now, purely for the sake of keeping labor costs down. We could go back
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to a population closer to 40 to 45 million, which is what I think we would have if it weren't for
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mass migration yeah and and uh and just have it so that we're more automated which would improve
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a lot of people's lives it's not just even on the bottom end of the economic ladder automation is
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going to make a big difference if you're tracking what's been happening with a lot of the the uh
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uh ai models is that screen-based jobs most screen-based jobs are going to either go or
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change a lot over the next two to three years um through to automation there and my my interest
01:09:44.060
is what that does to the middle class yeah i mean we're already in a housing recession in london
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there's a great twitter account that's tracking houses being sold in london at a loss people are
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yeah 25 percent lost 30 percent loss on five six years ago and so if we hit an election in three
01:09:57.700
years time and there's a large number of middle class jobs that have been lost how are those
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people going to be voting what are they going to want from well the election when all of a sudden
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there's no like when there's no visible need for all of these people to be here because now most of
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the jobs that a lot of these people who've been brought in were doing are now being automated
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and you do really start to just see them as oh they're an imported slave underclass now
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like it's almost as if we've been importing computer monitors or something isn't it yeah
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something that's already outmoded like we'll we'll have kind of we'll have the worst of both worlds
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in that automation will inevitably, like you say,
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because of the process of creative destruction.
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but there are arguments to be made that it's desirable in the long term.
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But you're going to have that creative destruction
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while at the same time still having tens of millions of people here
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who are just going to be sucking up tax and benefits
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from everybody else who is productive in the country.
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That's going to be the thing that's going to confront
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a lot of the middle class over the next few years, and it may be two salaries, two six-figure
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salaries that were given a certain standard of living, certain mortgage they can afford that
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they can no longer afford, and those jobs aren't coming back, and the ability to retrain is going
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to be an issue. So I just wonder how that's going to hit the election in two to three years' time
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when you've got a significant change to the economy, you've got a recession we're already in,
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in an environment where we are hostile to entrepreneurs.
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So I think the economy is probably going to –
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I think I could see a scenario where it's probably the most important point
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It currently is, especially with the cost of living crisis
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But what I find interesting is Restore Britain at the moment
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has been focusing on small business owners, right?
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This is particularly important because, I mean, both you and I
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Well, I've given up on one, two of my small businesses.
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which is costing tens of thousands in actual costs, physical costs,
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and then how much of my productive time, the energy costs are too high,
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people have got the money to come out and spend.
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I mean, if you've got anything in hospitality at the moment,
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you're facing an existential crisis to your business.
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And everybody I know who's running one of these small hospitality businesses
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is struggling there's no point investing in creating these types of businesses anymore
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so i just don't do it yeah i mean remember when rachel reeves uh was it quadrupled the rates on
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uh pubs yeah and ever you'd see pub owners on twitter being like i had to pay 18 grand last
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year i got to pay 72 grand this year i can't do that they made 56 grand profit last year yeah
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exactly yeah no it's ludicrous um look it's tough it's tough out there it's going to get harder
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and uh it's something they should be dealing with head on now i'm facing the pain right now but what
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they're going to try and do is insulate the pain through to the next election by the way what do
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you think of labor doing a hail mary and making the next election a referendum on rejoining the
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eu i mean i think that's probably not really the most important thing in people's lives
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what do you think of them doing it um it would come across very honestly to me again as a young
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person it would come across really westminster brained m25 kind of thinking because the whispers
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are there now at the moment most most of the people i still hear complaining about brexit by
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this point are like if if you accidentally tune into lbc and catch james o'brien he's like the
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number one guy still complaining about brexit now most people i know are just complaining like i
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just i just fueled up my car yesterday and i'm just like feeling done by it you know yeah i i
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honestly would be surprised and i don't think it'd save them anyway no i don't think it would i mean
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And obviously, I think the Greens are going to just eat their lunch, which is great.
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But this is the sort of thing that we were talking about at the meeting yesterday, though,
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because you're right that this is just something difficult, right?
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Like, a lot of the people, actually, who turned up at the meeting were, like I said, our age,
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you know, parents with small businesses and kids and were worried about the state of affairs
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And so these are the people that – and another thing as well is that the tone was not frivolous, right?
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We were – like one of the chaps actually was a former conservative canvasser who had been completely disillusioned with that.
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And he – basically I just said, put your hand up if you want to say something.
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Because it was, you know, the first meeting we just got to know each other.
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And he – towards the end he said, well, I'm really glad at the serious tone that you've taken for the meeting
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and that we're actually talking about these things that are real issues,
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in a way that is actually credible and addressing the issue properly
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rather than being frivolous or being evasive or anything like that.
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There are some, you know, we're talking about like,
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But reform have learned that there's nothing you can do about that
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Well, I'm glad he's left holding the bag looking a bit silly on that
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because i wouldn't have made a bunch of promises that i would be able to cut things if i didn't
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know what the circumstances were like in the councils they got into the councils and found
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oh no there's not a huge amount of waste there's a huge amount of requirement for redistributive
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spending by the state and the only way that can be fixed is by becoming the government and repealing
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this so they like you know at some point i said look you know i would like that too but that's
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just not that's beyond the local remit of you know a local branch right uh but the the nature
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of the atmosphere was just so um realistic right it was it was not not frivolous or irreverent or
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uh ridiculous you know no no you know pie in the sky thinking it was real people no wwe pyrotechnics
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as you came on stage weirdly we didn't have any confetti right it was it was really disgraceful
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because these people don't mind hard work absolutely and there's a difference between
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hard work and the difficulty of actually generating a profit now yeah businesses that
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were previously profitable that you just cannot you can't you just can't do it there's too there's
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too much being uh leached away by the state from from your business rachel reeves has just looked
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at every form of wealth creation as something that she can just go and attack and does it is it just
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my like personal preferences that are being trampled on but i i see you talking about
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hospitality pubs that the amount of tax that's imposed on pubs now feels just hostile to the
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whole pub culture it's not it's not just like we need some money sorry you're going to have to pay
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up everything since the pandemic has been going in the same direction it's been going towards
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working from home drinking at home ordering everything to be delivered to your home it's
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really dysfunctional it's creating as much as the immigrant thing it's it's disfiguring civic life
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as the atomic individual is the most free individual but also the least threatening to
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the state yeah right the the a person who doesn't spend time congregating socializing can never form
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a faction that can oppose it really feels that way doesn't it and then obviously the one thing
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that they're all retreating to which i do is social media and that's the other thing that's
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under attack and they're constantly trying to threaten and suggest that they would like to
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take twitter's lie i'm less conspiratorial about them wanting to destroy the pub i just think it's
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the state of the public finances there is so much debt they've got so many um unfunded liabilities
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I think we're just in the era of mass confiscation.
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they look at every single tax and say, what can we attack?
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You know, they attack savings, they attack business,
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because I think that is the one that's going to become,
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of an exit tax, because so many people are like,
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And that will have two effects. Obviously, you know, the people who are here trying to exit will exit quickly, but people aren't going to move here, are they? This is the thing. We talk about millionaires moving out, but there's arguably an even vaster problem, which is the fact that nobody's going to come here with wealth creation in mind because they can see it so hostile. Although I don't know where else they would go.
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There's also a problem with people coming back.
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So with the recent missiles raining down in places like Dubai,
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if you've been gone for three years and you wanted to come back,
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you would have to repay your back taxes for those previous three years.
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Now, they should have put a moratorium out straight on that
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Because you could have had taxpayers come back.
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At some point, I don't know if it still stands,
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but at some point Trump was talking about creating a welcoming package
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I don't know whether there's been any movement or development in that.
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But that's one of the things that the left need to understand now.
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there is a global marketplace for rich people there's a global marketplace for rich people
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and capital go will go where it's where it's treated well the french did this supported the
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the london property market wasn't it after the financial crash was an inflow of russian capital
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in particular like if you just have to accept the reality that there are millionaires in the world
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there are billionaires in the world and they sit down and they all have the conversation are you
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thinking of going yes no okay you are thinking of going where are you thinking of going well i've
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looked at portugal because it's got this i've looked at switzerland because it's got there
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There's a global marketplace for rich people, and it's very easy to fly around the world
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now, and we are not part of that, we're not competitive in that environment.
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And again, this could be part of like Restore, if they were to do sensible messaging, speak
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to some of these people and go like, look, we're not going to tolerate you, like, again,
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bringing in loads of people for cheap labour, but also, we're not going to tax you through
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Will that be an acceptable compromise right there?
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We're going to attract rich people back to this country.
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and be punitive. I'm sure there are lots of rich English people who want to come back to the
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country because it's where they're from. But they look at the place and they go, well, what is there
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for me? Well, I'm going to be made poor. I'm going to be put out of business. My kids are going to
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have all sorts of damaging messaging thrown at them. And then if they put an exit tax in,
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I'm basically putting myself into prison. So what's the point in coming back?
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And the thing is as well, these are the sort of genuinely sort of dangerous
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No one, like, where do you see the Conservatives
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I see the Conservatives tinkering around the edges
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rather than talking about proper structural systemic changes
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And this is why I think we were actually protested.
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so i mean having a branch meeting for having a branch meeting
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for like a bunch of like weird crusties been like we're choosing love and kindness quite old
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again stop the far right yeah quite old yeah i was on the train out of london on it was saturday
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wasn't it the uh the big march oh yeah yeah i was on the train i was sat now i was down to
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faversham in kent i was sat next to an elderly communist couple i had you know like nakedly
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communist reading material and they'd been on them i didn't speak to them but they'd obviously
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been on the march they had their little flasks and their you know they if you'd seen them briefly
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oh bless them little old couple you know but they have this like they're just deranged a hundred
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million deaths on our conscience a little old couple oh that want me dead yeah but that's the
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same like these people seemed like genuine lunatics like as i was walking in they started
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yelling stuff at me i was like okay what do you want to talk about and they just kept yelling i
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was like okay and so i just walked in i would have happily had a conversation with them
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but they just sounded like you know how can they not know that black lives matter has been
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completely exactly like what year is this sign from you know this stand up to racism paid
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protesters it's like but who who sends paid protesters out to a local branch meeting i
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feel like these are just leftover signs from whatever protest right whatever big ones they've
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gone to but genuinely ban the bomb yeah exactly like who are these people greenham common she
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may have been born in greenham common that one but they've got a sign of an old peace symbol
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they've had since the 70s or something yeah maybe who knows but that's but this is the point like
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there was a kind of unseriousness to the protesters yeah where it felt very sort of
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hyper real where it's like what do we do stand up fight back it's like bro we're not in charge of
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anything we're a bunch of people in the local area like you know everyone there was from swindon
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we're just local people who are concerned you think these people were bust in though do you
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well actually what the the chap who's going to be running uh bristol restore came to you know
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be present just to see how we're going to do all yeah and he was like oh no i think these are our
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guys because i've i've had it because apparently well the thing is the the meeting started like
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7 30 and apparently they'd got there a bit early but they left almost immediately as soon as the
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meeting began and he thinks it's because they had to get their bus home yeah because there's
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particular bus times for they were getting home so it entirely possible that these were not locals
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it's it is interesting the the psychology of it i suppose i don't know how deeply they think about
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it but obviously this is not going to be televised so these people are you know their protest is not
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going to resonate very far outside of this postcode i suppose they want to try and exert
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some sort of moral pressure on neutrals who are seeing it which is tiny isn't it you know really
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and they just end up looking ratty well that's the thing i mean we got we got um a bit of local
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news coverage actually right and you can see here like there's thomas from the office right
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just looking normal and then look at this guy screaming and yelling at him and he's just you
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know we're just bug-eyed yeah exactly bug-eyed like weirdo communists like refugees welcome
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stop the far right and Tom's just normal bloke standing there being like I'm just concerned about
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what's happening this is this hope not hate message that's always delivered with anger and violence
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yes yeah that's that's that's what I mean like when you when you saw like the people and they're
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all very reasonable and they're just like no I'm very serious I'm concerned about the future of
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the country and you've got these lunatics who are like no no no this is how we want the country to
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be right we're there is there is something of the of the calm chad versus screeching soy jack
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against and outside the status quo and they're like oh no we've got to stop you we've got to
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stop you it's like okay i don't think you're going to but on the plus side we're happy to know that
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we're over the target because we're taking flak they see the specter of fascism don't they and
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that wherever they see that that it just activates their neurons and that's it completely you know
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i mean one of the one of the funniest things about this is uh that uh they say here well
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40 people attended the gathering it's like there are more than 40 people in the photo after half
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the people had left but um what i liked most about this is media were not permitted to attend the
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meeting inside you didn't even ask you didn't ask i mean i would have said no because it'd be a bit
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inappropriate but you didn't even ask but um but yeah so anyway we've got we got a bit media
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coverage as well which was more exciting than i expected but for anyone wondering the meeting
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went great uh everyone was really really upbeat but somber uh and like no blackpilling right no
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like that everyone was very very positive we we are going to get to work we're going to fix these
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problems we're going to get out and do what we need to do to start spreading the message and it's
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not just our branch that went really well obviously this is uh the western super mayor branch that's
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that's a great turnout for somewhere like western super mayor um we've got branches everywhere like
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these are all like look there's our one but these are all other local branches that are just turning
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out and you realize like it's you know there's there's not it's not just there are some old
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people but they're also younger people they're also middle-aged people like this is actually a
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representative demographic profile of the country that is actually turning out for restore and it's
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turning out quite significantly and then you've got restore doing the national billboard campaign
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uh handsomely modeled there by harry well done harry uh this is the one in swindon but they're
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everywhere i mean here's one in clacton for example that i'm sure nigel farage is absolutely
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thrilled about because he could never put up a billboard that had that message a party that put
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the british people first france will never be able to do that well zio yusuf's going to come
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out and be like yes i put the british people first like well you know why can't we have british
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people in that party then leading that party and so you you can see that there is actually
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something to this that uh is oh apparently sorry according to the replies apparently this says
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that this is ai is it said is this called ai or real okay no it's ai well so they're saying that
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They definitely should put one in Clacton, though.
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You can tell it wasn't AI because nobody got me to soy jack in it.
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Restore are actually doing the things they need to do
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to actually get to the point where they need to be in the future.
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Like you said, a lot can change in three years.
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Honestly, they weren't exciting political conversations.
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you know they were like okay what are the problems potholes rivers need dredging you know
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things that need emptying the fact that just you know the immigration is a huge problem the genuine
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the cost of living crisis the genuine problems with the things that we were discussing and then
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just to have a bunch of like weirdo soy jacks screeching us over it was just like right okay
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i think it was very confirming in a way as in no we're on the right side of this issue
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and they're just lunatics uh we've got loads of rumble rants if you want to go through some of
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the yeah yeah we'll go yeah so at this point the conversation devolved into a bingo game i think
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we were just like looking at all of the leftist freaks yeah yeah uh it's not just hospitality i
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work in the construction and data infrastructure environment and it's dying clients have had their
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budgets decimated and pay the national insurance and to pay the national insurance and other
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increases uh it blows my mind after all the injustices and horrors done to the british
01:28:41.260
people restore and reform together still don't hit 35 percent even with the deplorable tories
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thrown in they're only at 49 percent well one thing to remember is that a lot of these things
01:28:49.900
are localized right so uh large areas of england are still just almost entirely white english and
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so nothing bad is happening in those areas uh and so it's it you know there's kind of the the fringe
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that is in direct contact with the way the country has changed they're the people who are most
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switched on yeah 27 in new jersey and work in philly there's a train to philly three to four
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miles from my place five dollars 20 round trip parking is 21 daily i drive every day anti-social
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behavior on the train is a constant plus crime risk so at least with ryan here the worry about
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anti-social behavior and low-level violent crime does seem to be a factor because it's way more
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expensive for him to drive and park by the sounds of it binary surfer carl's partly correct duty
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and achievement status appeal to young men strongly and instinctively if you made conservatism right
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wing views high status and duty based um yeah i mean that's a good point i mean i think it becomes
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high status on the face of it right because being a druggy hips hippie partier that's very low
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status isn't it i also just think if you have again i'm biased because i'm a musician but if
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you have like cool music backing a movement man that can attract a lot of people you know i was
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i'm reading a book about the 60s at the moment and it's it's a massive book about like just every
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aspect of britain in the 60s and one one thing that's really weird is that um because they were
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trying to have this sort of class leveling uh across the country um all of the working class
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musicians who came up insanely right wing like the beatles like the the kings oh yeah the kings
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look they're all insanely right wing george harrison tax man i would still find that hilarious
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Weren't they on, like, 95% tax or something when he wrote that song?
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But, I mean, like, David Bowie, like, gay icon or whatever,
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Yeah, he had a little fascist moment in the mid-70s.
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I think that was partly cocaine-derived as much as...
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I mean, of course he would say that, like, later on.
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He's like, no, no, it was just on a lot of cocaine.
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But the point is, like, you could see that, you know,
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center right art is because like adventurous and creative people are not stodgy and boring in the
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way that the center left and the center right you couldn't imagine i know supposedly it was like a
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new waver or something in the 80s but you couldn't imagine keir starmer doing anything daring and
01:31:46.040
inventive to save his life could you the best thing you get is banksy right the closest thing
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you get is banksy yeah as a center left yeah regime approved art yeah whereas if you go on to
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the the actual right wing and onto the left wing as well that's where you find active actively
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creative people making interesting art so i've got a great um comment from tp here where he's like
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uh don't vote greens you'll have no future and the response is just what future right because the
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future for a lot of young people looks quite bleak and i think that's the issue that we're
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getting at right this messaging is just not going to work anymore and so the the question is well
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what messaging do we use you know and i'm very much on the duty and responsibility yeah no no
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i'm listening yeah um harry and nago uh says just in terms of like demographics i sometimes worry
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there are too many leftists and foreigners to win especially by 2029 what do we think no not in this
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country in america that i know that's five dollars in america you genuinely have that issue because
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america is something like 57 cent white now so it's the demographics in america are way worse
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than demographics in europe and they're bad here yeah so no no we we we still have but in america
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they have the advantage i think they've discovered that what they call latino whatever central and
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southern american turn out to be quite conservative on occasion as well family oriented and socially
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conservative but the problem is the democrats are like we're just going to give you free money
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so they're basically bribing these yeah there's the the thing with that is though that yeah the
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democrats will give them free money also the democrats do go in a similar way that you find
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with left-wingers across all of Europe and Britain as well they go well we're not going to apply our
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standards of insane left-wing social causes to you quite as harshly and they also go we'll also
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let get more of your family in yeah and give them free stuff as well whereas I actually did I actually
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looked into this and found that typically even with the more socially conservative like Hispanics
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and such like Cubans when you bring them over they will still tack that much further to the left on
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issues like immigration and welfare than white americans do who are voting republican as well
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so you do have to adjust your policies on the demographic even if they're still voting for you
01:33:59.320
okay well one of the commenters from the website called this gold tier subscription to the lotus
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seaters was promised to me 3 000 years ago great name by the way uh i went to my local branch
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first restore britain meeting around 100 people turned up mostly middle-aged but definitely more
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younger people than turn up for reform meetings so i think i think a lot of what restore is doing
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is essentially activating the mums and dads there are a lot of women at the conference as well
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the meeting as well um not that i wasn't hoping there would be women but like a lot of the time
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you expect it to be mostly just men uh but knows you know lots of middle-aged mums and dads who
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are just people who are invested in the system like you know i need this to be fixed well in
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fairness to restore they do have charlie connor lewis you know young people out there uh with a
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message i'd struggle to think who reform have who's young nicholas lisak i don't think nick's
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first priority is britain that's a good point um montgomery toms now has come across yeah yeah
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and it's funny because of um matt goodwin's criticism of the online right but the online
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right clearly takes the first step yeah yeah and everyone every every part of the online right that
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was previously reforms gone to restore but they do have some good young people there they do um
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anyway we're actually over time so we're gonna have to call it there so uh simon where can people
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find more from you i have a website the simon evans um all my tour dates are on there if people
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are interested to come and see the show i'm playing in swindon tonight as i say yeah birmingham
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tomorrow bristol and then leicester uh this week and um the tour is carrying on into the autumn as
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well and obviously my twitter account or x is the same the simon evans those are the main two points
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of access right um peter where can people find more from you i have a podcast called the peter
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mccormack show i've got a very interesting show coming out today at 7 p.m with lynn alden all
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about the economic system and why we will always be stolen from well that's not a good great news
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but anyway thanks fun thanks for joining us folks we'll see you tomorrow