The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1388

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast of the Loadseaters for

00:00:03.220 Thursday, the 2nd of April, 2026. Thank God it's not April Fool's Day. I hate April Fool's Day.

00:00:09.060 It's the least funny thing ever. I agree. It just annoys me. I'm joined by Nate Amferas,

00:00:13.840 and today we're going to be talking about the phenomenal cope that has been coming out about

00:00:17.700 Clapham. Luca covered it yesterday. I want to do a follow-up because it's only after the event

00:00:22.540 that all the cope starts pouring out of literally everyone. And then we're going to be delving

00:00:28.320 into the mind of Britain's,

00:00:30.640 I think we can call him

00:00:31.740 our premier thinker,

00:00:33.480 most accurate predictor

00:00:35.140 of political events,

00:00:36.920 a real Nostradamus,

00:00:38.460 as it were.

00:00:39.300 And we're going to be looking

00:00:40.240 into his brain

00:00:40.960 and see what makes him tick.

00:00:42.500 And then we're going to be asking,

00:00:44.360 what are we even doing with Iran?

00:00:47.420 That's not a touchy subject.

00:00:48.740 Yeah.

00:00:51.720 We will get into it.

00:00:53.420 Anyway, let's begin.

00:00:55.200 So Clapham's brilliant.

00:00:57.700 Everyone loves Clapham, don't they?

00:00:59.300 Yes.

00:00:59.860 It's amazing.

00:01:00.760 Everyone's been there.

00:01:02.480 Diversity is a great place.

00:01:03.120 Yeah, exactly, yeah.

00:01:04.760 You look at the diversity of the area and you realise,

00:01:07.080 yeah, that's what it was like six years ago, right?

00:01:10.960 Before the Boris wave.

00:01:12.580 Oh, good Lord.

00:01:13.400 That's quite terrible now, isn't it?

00:01:14.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:01:15.600 It was, you know.

00:01:16.920 I mean, there are places in London that are more diversified,

00:01:19.240 don't get me wrong, than Clapham.

00:01:21.560 But it must be really good, though,

00:01:23.700 because Sadiq Khan is constantly telling me

00:01:25.760 how diversity is our strength that is true uh and he must be right about that and it's not just

00:01:31.440 self-serving because he is a part of the diversity uh anyway uh this was it six years ago so i mean

00:01:37.580 pretty um i wouldn't personally want to live there uh but um i just don't like i mean neither would

00:01:46.920 i i just don't like cities you gotta understand i i like living in the towns and the shires uh

00:01:52.360 Couldn't live in London.

00:01:54.340 But anyway, so things have been going really well.

00:01:56.320 And as Luca covered yesterday,

00:01:58.380 it's been called a riot,

00:02:01.180 but it's not a riot,

00:02:02.660 because a riot is over something.

00:02:04.840 As in, you know,

00:02:05.680 oh, we're protesting the government,

00:02:06.940 or we haven't got food or something,

00:02:09.340 and we're rioting because we have not got something we need.

00:02:12.660 It's actually being called a riot?

00:02:14.100 Yes.

00:02:14.360 That's how they're framing it?

00:02:15.260 Yes.

00:02:15.720 Wow.

00:02:16.380 And this accurate description to say

00:02:19.560 that it's just effusive excuberance being expressed

00:02:22.220 i mean that's one very kind way of putting it right yeah um that's that's absolutely the case

00:02:28.180 but before we continue of course we have the live event on the 11th of april uh come and see us i

00:02:33.880 have spent all morning signing our back copies of islander magazine my elbow is killing me at this

00:02:42.060 point rsi it's because i've got a stack it's my elbow holding it up that's been the problem

00:02:48.080 i've been signing all of these back copies of islander that we've been keeping in our store

00:02:51.560 that you can come and buy at the live event

00:02:54.700 if you would like to get some.

00:02:55.980 Because a lot of people mess with me,

00:02:57.120 can I get an old copy of that?

00:02:58.100 No, you can't.

00:02:59.140 Because we're not reprinting them,

00:03:00.480 but we do have some in the back office.

00:03:02.960 And so now we're going to bring them

00:03:03.980 so you can get them there.

00:03:04.940 So all the more incentive.

00:03:06.880 Anyway.

00:03:08.740 So, yes, we saw the youth in Clapham.

00:03:12.820 If we can just play that without the sound.

00:03:17.540 Again, Riot, what would they be writing over?

00:03:20.360 writing over what law and order the fact that we live in a clean and decent country there

00:03:25.720 but everyone noticed there's a particular sort of demographic profile to the writers

00:03:31.220 they're uh they're youths teenagers they're urban i mean is that if you notice it's bad

00:03:40.580 none of these are you from crazy i was gonna say none of them you just know that they are

00:03:44.360 no no i mean it's just youths causing havoc youths causing havoc uh okay so what happened

00:03:53.000 well turns out six teenage girls were arrested for causing this uh which i mean there was a lot

00:03:59.520 more than that well uh yeah as as with all things they've decided we're just going to arrest the

00:04:05.380 ringleaders but uh no six teenage girls have been arrested after two separate incidents of

00:04:09.300 anti-social behavior fueled by online trends in southwest london the met police have said

00:04:13.840 examine this let's sort of examine this it means that a bunch of people got on tiktok or shit talk

00:04:21.140 or something or the other yep and decided i'm bored what shall we do let's go break up shops

00:04:27.720 and loot them in clap apparently loot the mcdonald's what's how do you even loot mcdonald's

00:04:34.180 do you just take run over frozen chicken i don't know i don't understand i guess they do have some

00:04:38.400 on the hot plate but i've i've never been involved in a looting flash of ethnic youths before no

00:04:44.660 weirdly i i hope this was um distinctly british no no uh it's it's not um but anyway uh three

00:04:51.940 girls one age 17 and two age 13 uh were arrested for this um and what that means is that the

00:04:59.080 police focused on the weakest and the bunch instead of actually getting well we don't know

00:05:04.840 that's the thing like because at the end of the day these sorts of online trends are not actually

00:05:10.240 new these have happened before uh and what it is is young urban youths in inner cities who can

00:05:19.920 contact each other on social media and get like oh if you know i mean one shopkeeper fried chicken

00:05:25.100 shop owner said i would say there was a thousand running around yeah clapham's just our best place

00:05:29.700 in the british shows you just want to go there don't you um but it's looting flash mob of fried

00:05:36.320 chicken was it cucumber sandwiches were they no no no the fried chicken shop owner said i had to

00:05:41.940 close the door i don't want any trouble um there are a lot of them you couldn't count them i'd say

00:05:45.640 there was a thousand of them running around but that's the point it's a the bored young inner

00:05:50.360 city youths who have formed a flash mob to essentially go and just cause chaos because

00:05:54.800 the system itself is very permissive

00:05:57.740 of almost everything they do.

00:05:59.260 There's no real hard punishments

00:06:01.220 for any of these people, right?

00:06:02.740 I mean, for example,

00:06:03.660 the 17-year-old and 13-year-olds,

00:06:05.620 what's going to happen to them?

00:06:06.880 Nothing.

00:06:07.600 Yeah.

00:06:08.120 Nothing.

00:06:08.740 Slapping the wrist

00:06:09.400 and they're going to go and do it again.

00:06:10.460 Exactly.

00:06:10.680 They're going to be lectured

00:06:11.460 by some Karens

00:06:12.880 who they're just like smirking

00:06:14.580 and then those will be sent home.

00:06:16.380 It's way worse than that as well, isn't it?

00:06:17.760 It's the entirety of them.

00:06:19.400 So it's had such notoriety.

00:06:22.060 Everyone's got away with it,

00:06:23.260 even the people that have been caught

00:06:25.260 everyone's got away with it

00:06:26.640 and again wide notoriety

00:06:27.920 they're all going to view this as

00:06:30.200 well that was brilliant fun

00:06:31.520 let's do it again

00:06:32.560 and that's going to be a persistent issue now

00:06:35.000 because they've allowed it already

00:06:37.220 this isn't the first one

00:06:38.340 remember a couple of years ago

00:06:39.760 where they were looting like the American candy shops

00:06:41.820 and stuff like this

00:06:42.720 I remember that one

00:06:44.340 oh we covered it a couple of years ago

00:06:46.100 this is not a new phenomenon

00:06:47.560 where they realise

00:06:48.920 after a while they just get bored

00:06:51.220 and realise there's no particular punishments

00:06:52.780 if we just act out so why don't we just go for a bit of a joy a thrill-seeking like gang like you

00:06:59.160 know form up a little gang and just run around and smash stuff up and be total pricks it's

00:07:03.340 fascinating isn't it like the the demographics involved and and and how the media is just trying

00:07:10.000 to gloss over everything yep and yet the moment oh i don't know like i always think back to

00:07:15.060 southport instantly boom straight out far right thugs not all this and then sorry uh

00:07:22.480 Kistama, have you said anything?

00:07:24.840 What I love about this particular image

00:07:26.500 is how it's such a great snapshot

00:07:28.320 of the pure modernist dystopia that is the UK.

00:07:33.240 Like, you know, a thousand urban youths

00:07:35.880 crowding around the bleak dystopian McDonald's sign.

00:07:39.660 Like the grey, you know,

00:07:41.340 you're just here to collect your prepackaged slop.

00:07:45.220 Yeah, get out or go to the chicken shop next door

00:07:47.840 that's run by the Asians or whatever.

00:07:49.940 It's like, yeah, incredible.

00:07:51.140 I'll bet you that one of the shops in the middle is a vape shop.

00:07:53.820 Oh, undoubtedly.

00:07:54.740 And one.

00:07:55.460 Oh, no.

00:07:56.260 Not only just a vape shop, a mobile.

00:07:58.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:59.280 A vape shop has to be.

00:08:00.400 And there's going to be a money-changing shop over there, you know,

00:08:03.060 because you need to send...

00:08:03.860 And the Harrison Bond.

00:08:05.580 Turkish Barbers.

00:08:06.580 Yeah, it's just so bleak.

00:08:10.240 Actually, there's a Turkish Barbers sign there.

00:08:12.000 You can see underneath the McDonald's one.

00:08:13.820 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:14.720 That's right, you can.

00:08:16.100 Brilliant.

00:08:16.360 So there we go.

00:08:17.180 Love all of those.

00:08:17.720 it's it's such a snapshot of the dystopian state of britain at the moment and these are just the

00:08:23.380 bored youth who've literally got nothing to do they literally they do nothing and they get

00:08:28.260 punished for nothing they've got no expectations placed upon them anyway the met gave us an update

00:08:32.340 which uh they posted on twitter um and i i've decided this is the best part of it the parents

00:08:38.740 and guardians of those involved in last night's disorder also have a role to play i'd appeal i'd

00:08:44.120 appeal to them to take responsibility to be proactive in knowing where their children are

00:08:49.140 and who they're with and to take steps to make sure they're not involved in this sort of

00:08:52.140 unacceptable anti-social behavior well you know what percentage of these people do you think know

00:08:56.980 who their fathers are that's exactly what i was going to say i mean it's bold of met police to

00:09:01.640 say that they have parents what percentage of these people's mothers are in social housing and

00:09:07.140 are on benefits and not stoned out of their mind i'm sorry but this is not a group of people whose

00:09:13.180 entire families have ever actually taken responsibility and we know this by the numbers

00:09:18.000 like the numbers are all in we'll go through the numbers in a bit in fact if you want uh but we we

00:09:22.560 know the demographic profile of the people we know the kind of things that they do we know the kind

00:09:27.680 of environments that they live in and then we know the kind of things they get up to because they're

00:09:32.000 bored so okay i don't think taking responsibility is on the table here also also it's not sorry at

00:09:39.600 this point they've broken the law i know they're underage but no no no this is actually a police

00:09:44.300 matter now but have you considered the kind of soft touch feely feely uh like smooth sort of

00:09:53.140 kind calm talkative way that the state wants to deal with this i have well let me show you the

00:09:59.560 best the best see the managerial elite the feminized manager elite they they need to know

00:10:05.100 why this has happened right okay and so i found this from a chap called tom bennett look at this

00:10:10.600 tweet what are the unmet needs here what is this behavior communicating what restorative process

00:10:17.200 will enable us to avoid scenes like this in the future so basically saying pay them reparations

00:10:22.580 so they don't loot you that's what invaders maybe maybe now they need um i don't know a youth club

00:10:28.540 wonderful yeah they need a youth club for instance yeah maybe that will stop them so i have your

00:10:33.420 advisor for the uk department for education yes he can tell us then connie you would think now i

00:10:39.140 the the reason i had the wayback machine right i had to find the google cache of this tweet

00:10:43.780 is because he had locked his account this morning because i had replied to him now let me see if i

00:10:49.380 can find that tweet did he delete it or is it is it still here because i would like to show you my

00:10:54.980 response oh come on of course he just posted a lot don't he there we go there we go yep

00:11:03.320 right so i had said the unmet need is a severe lack of flogging for bad behavior they aren't

00:11:10.640 like you and you don't understand them right yes because i think that's correct now this this tom

00:11:16.480 bennett chap as you see uh advisor to the uk uh the the government on all the sort of you know

00:11:22.000 behavioral school school behaviors a professor of school behavior right and he's just like what are

00:11:27.220 the unmet needs what what what restorative process like okay you are discipline is the unmet need

00:11:33.000 exactly structure is the unmet need punishment is the unmet need let's let's give tom his credit

00:11:38.380 he's probably like 115 iq probably his parents were you know were married all his life probably

00:11:44.160 he went to a nice school went to a university got an education and sat there and thought right okay

00:11:49.580 the world can be resolved through rational discourse okay tom right which now not to be

00:11:55.060 mean about this right but what's the average iq of this crowd right is rational discourse even

00:12:02.540 possible with this crowd we'd be below somalians i'm sure well i don't know that's the thing but

00:12:07.820 to be yes to be polite about it right it's probably below average and so the question is

00:12:15.140 how do these people view abstractions how can they project future events based on current

00:12:22.540 behaviors how do they model the future in their own heads yes and the answer for tom is well i

00:12:27.780 don't know because this is literally what he's saying here so oh why are they doing this i don't

00:12:33.160 know why they're doing this what can we even do it's like you don't know what we're meeting here

00:12:38.000 tom are the limits of your philosophy right this is what we're meeting you don't understand why

00:12:44.400 this is happening because you have adopted a premise that is everyone is a rational person

00:12:49.180 who can be reasoned with in order to make sure they understand what the consequences of current

00:12:54.200 behavior will be in the future and you have run into a group of people who just can't understand

00:12:59.600 that and who don't care would never have a conversation with you about any of this

00:13:03.440 and would literally sit there bored flicking their boogers at you or something and just waiting and

00:13:08.880 then the guy go oh that bear bear man was idiot bro and he would just they would just go off like

00:13:14.220 like actual reason i'm not gonna try and be mean but like actual idiots about this tom they all

00:13:19.440 need to go they need that all of them need to be conscripted they need to be also authoritarian

00:13:24.040 humanitarian militaristic training so does tom this this is this is the product of an insanely

00:13:29.360 safe civilization yeah that does not understand that actually human beings are rational animals

00:13:35.740 there is a rational side which tom thinks is solely the purview of all human endeavor and

00:13:41.520 then you have the animal side which tom totally doesn't understand he's coming at it with is the

00:13:47.240 carrot all the stick isn't it he he's dangling the carrot like well his entire worldview is the

00:13:52.240 exactly whereas people like this they only understand the stick exactly right and you know

00:13:58.860 how i know this right this is some of those youths on the way back from clapham right listen to what

00:14:04.540 this if if you can understand what this guy is saying i hate language i do too but if you can

00:14:10.620 understand what he's saying try and pass it

00:14:12.940 Just imagine, look at the time we're getting back from clapping, you know.

00:14:23.760 Just a normal day in club, bro, man.

00:14:25.880 Dude, we have to go, we have to go for TTIP.

00:14:28.460 We have to go for TTIP, you know, go for TTIP, you know.

00:14:31.420 I'm probably going to get a spanking, man.

00:14:34.420 You hear that?

00:14:36.240 I'm probably going to get a spanking, man.

00:14:37.820 in between all of the gibberish he said i'm probably going to get a spanking man

00:14:43.360 right he knows what the correct punishment for this is right the guys involved they literally

00:14:50.660 know if you can if you can pass what they're saying right but what what does tom think

00:14:55.740 what do you need here brutality frankly tom they all need a social worker or

00:15:01.320 don't they just need youth clubs what but they don't have access to table tennis tables

00:15:07.340 It's like, no.

00:15:08.200 They need to play some snooker.

00:15:09.360 He knows what the answer is.

00:15:11.820 He knows.

00:15:12.900 He's just told you, I'm going to get a spank.

00:15:15.020 Yeah, you probably bloody should.

00:15:16.620 And the thing is, this is just, you know,

00:15:18.340 the thing about this sort of inner city culture,

00:15:21.200 which is just generally abominable, right?

00:15:25.640 Yes.

00:15:25.860 What are they all doing?

00:15:27.080 Well, actually, these people are celebrating.

00:15:29.240 I think it was a victory.

00:15:30.140 It was a football match, right?

00:15:31.220 I think it was like, I can't remember which teams are playing,

00:15:33.520 but I think they're celebrating a football match.

00:15:34.920 by inhaling nitrous oxide from balloons, yeah.

00:15:39.360 But this is...

00:15:40.220 No, no, Tom, Tom, you need to sit there and explain to them

00:15:42.920 about the problems that they're going to encounter in the future.

00:15:45.720 You need to make them understand, rationally sit them down

00:15:48.880 and have a reasonable discourse with them, Tom.

00:15:51.060 No, that's obviously not going to work.

00:15:53.920 What has happened in London?

00:15:54.880 I mean, this takes us back to the future doesn't exist argument, right?

00:15:58.400 Correct.

00:15:59.020 It takes us back to the inability to plan and to see the future

00:16:01.980 and to therefore make some kind of pact with yourself.

00:16:07.220 But to be able to even conceive that there could be a future state

00:16:10.840 that you can achieve by making certain decisions.

00:16:13.160 Exactly.

00:16:13.720 They can't conceive that you can sacrifice now

00:16:16.080 the pleasure of looting something

00:16:17.520 in exchange for being a decent human being later

00:16:19.640 and having a better life later.

00:16:21.440 That's the trade-off that they can't comprehend.

00:16:23.380 Have you guys considered that way of thinking is white supremacy?

00:16:27.420 Well, I mean, honestly,

00:16:29.240 It's what Tom has to really deal with here

00:16:32.000 is the fact that actually he's talking to people,

00:16:34.140 he wants to help people,

00:16:35.740 who literally cannot understand what he's saying.

00:16:39.940 That is the rhetoric.

00:16:40.960 Concepts involved.

00:16:41.840 Yes.

00:16:42.360 Just concepts that are outside.

00:16:44.460 I mean, like, do you think this guy understands what he means

00:16:48.600 when he says restorative process?

00:16:51.220 Like, do you think he understands?

00:16:53.320 What is this behaviour?

00:16:54.220 A community goes, oh, blood, what are you talking about?

00:16:56.040 I'm going to get a smack from my mum.

00:16:57.760 Yeah, you are.

00:16:58.400 That he understands.

00:16:59.240 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That he understands.

00:17:01.840 And that's the extent of it, and that's the problem.

00:17:04.760 The entirety of civilisation, though, modern-day Western world,

00:17:09.400 have infantilised these ethnic groups into believing

00:17:14.180 that they have to reject anything from the Western world.

00:17:17.660 Sure. But I don't know if this sort of guy is someone

00:17:21.500 who's ever really interacted with that.

00:17:23.460 Oh, no, but it's definitely a part of it.

00:17:25.500 It is. But what that is, is the sort of the Tom people.

00:17:29.240 who have essentially eased off of this community.

00:17:32.540 So they've gone, okay, well, we've got to leave them alone

00:17:35.120 and let them do whatever they do.

00:17:36.980 And this is what they're turning into, right?

00:17:39.600 Without these hard borders,

00:17:42.240 without the knowledge that someone is going to be,

00:17:45.100 you know, you are going to run smack into a wall here

00:17:47.040 and it's going to hurt.

00:17:48.280 Without that, they turn into that.

00:17:52.000 And it's just like, no, sorry, that's just not acceptable.

00:17:54.220 And none of your sort of lovey-dovey, libtard nonsense

00:17:58.900 will solve any of these problems.

00:18:00.560 It is the cause of these problems.

00:18:02.680 And even Sadiq Khan,

00:18:04.100 even Sadiq Khan's like,

00:18:05.080 yeah, okay, we're going to have to come down hard on this.

00:18:07.540 Appalling scenes, full force of the law.

00:18:10.640 They haven't done anything and they're not going to do it.

00:18:12.080 Well, they've arrested a couple of people

00:18:13.600 and I saw in the police article,

00:18:17.860 they do say, we've arrested six people,

00:18:19.700 more will follow.

00:18:21.080 We're going to arrest more people.

00:18:22.120 Okay, fair enough, good.

00:18:23.680 You know, there'll be an increased police presence in the area.

00:18:26.120 It's like, yeah, okay, that's something.

00:18:27.700 They'll just go elsewhere.

00:18:28.500 The thing about this situation is it's roving.

00:18:32.320 They will just move.

00:18:33.500 Yes.

00:18:34.340 Like London's a big place.

00:18:35.360 And the correct way to understand them is as raiding bands.

00:18:38.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:38.780 This is what it is.

00:18:40.300 Was it in Clacton?

00:18:41.660 This happened on the same, the day after.

00:18:44.600 On the machete attacks.

00:18:45.960 No, no, it was the day after the South Port.

00:18:48.560 Yeah, it was the machete gangs that were running around.

00:18:50.180 That's right, yeah.

00:18:50.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:51.220 And was it in Clacton?

00:18:51.960 It was somewhere.

00:18:52.400 Yeah, I think so.

00:18:52.980 One of the two.

00:18:54.180 By the seaside.

00:18:55.200 It was brutal.

00:18:55.740 Yeah, it's the sort of thing that's arranged on social media.

00:18:57.880 you know it's like okay don't give my ideas yeah exactly well no but it is but then loads of people

00:19:02.940 have been coming out and going oh well social media is responsible it's like oh yes the social

00:19:06.140 oh yes it's responsible for that no it's the social media which is why my kids don't do that

00:19:10.760 because i don't let them on social media is that the reason that's the only reason they don't do

00:19:13.900 that is it right yeah makes sense anyway there was some mega cope that came out of this and

00:19:19.000 one of the most mega copes of it was kemi badenock and i i i mean this was just a rake in the face

00:19:27.200 uh and i don't i'm not trying to be mean about this in this segment but um

00:19:33.000 to those making snide comments about race or black kids you do not see scenes see scenes like

00:19:41.840 this in lagos or nairobi not because the children there are different but because actions have

00:19:46.080 consequences there are clear boundaries parents communities and authorities do not wring their

00:19:49.980 hands or look the other way now in that second half she's correct yeah but um there is still an

00:19:55.060 ethnic component because even even if we all agree that actually everyone's the same every

00:20:01.580 every group of people all around the world are exactly the same uh you do see scenes like this

00:20:06.740 in lagos and nairobi uh she she was just constantly uh ratioed with people posting this and so what i

00:20:14.300 did is just typed in a google of an african country and then the word looting and you find

00:20:21.560 And lots of it.

00:20:22.460 Lots of looting.

00:20:22.980 I mean, this was from January in Lagos.

00:20:25.460 This is Nigerian looters in 2020 who were looting the aid.

00:20:29.340 We were sending them free things.

00:20:31.540 They had to loot it.

00:20:32.180 And they looted it.

00:20:33.420 They didn't.

00:20:33.940 So, okay, okay.

00:20:36.180 Here you have Nairobi, as John Wong posted.

00:20:40.880 Looters from a few years ago.

00:20:43.180 This is the central business district.

00:20:44.900 Yes, yes.

00:20:46.480 Then you have South Africa who are looting in the Eastern Cape.

00:20:51.560 Again, Josh was pointing this out.

00:20:54.080 Then you've got looting after Kenya protests

00:20:57.460 because, I don't know, the Kenyan Prime Minister or whatever

00:20:59.800 wasn't resigning or something like that.

00:21:01.780 I don't know. I don't care.

00:21:02.740 This was only last year, though.

00:21:04.060 And need we address the summer of loving in America?

00:21:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:09.020 CLM looting and riots.

00:21:10.780 Coming out with the incredibly expensive shoes and things.

00:21:14.720 What needs were unmet for that?

00:21:16.420 Great question.

00:21:17.740 Thousands of businesses destroyed.

00:21:19.200 then you've got south africa looting in 2021 then you've got mozambique looting costing 12 000 jobs

00:21:26.680 in 2024 and you've got the looting of food trucks in niger which is just amazing just amazing uh

00:21:34.020 then you've got uh then oh yeah that was right i got to uh was a ghana i think this was and the

00:21:39.580 only looting i could find in ghana was by the government which was looting the people uh so i

00:21:48.300 mean it just i can't help but feel that actually that's yeah exactly kemi is coping very hard and

00:21:55.140 it's not true what she's saying and yeah i mean if i were to search looting in wales or scotland

00:22:03.320 or maybe there'd be some in scotland but there wouldn't be much in wales no i'm joking scots

00:22:07.640 i mean even if you even if you accept her the premise that um it's not because they are that

00:22:14.560 they are doing that okay sure fine but maybe it's because they are who they are and other individuals

00:22:21.100 can see the ethnic component by which allows the permissiveness of their behavior so it's still

00:22:27.220 even if you entertain your position our reaction to ethnicity even if you entertain her position

00:22:32.560 it is still down to the ethnic component but this reaction to the ethnicity comes from the 1980s

00:22:38.600 riots in Brixton and in other places that were driven by the idea that the police was being too

00:22:45.200 hard against the school. Which is racist. And the conclusion was, you know, the Stephen Lawrence

00:22:52.880 inquiry that found that, no, no, no, the Met Police is institutionally racist. That is why

00:22:57.440 the Met Police is backing down. So the actual origins of this date back to the 80s with these

00:23:04.200 kinds of ethnic riots where cars were burnt and used as barricades and now here we are i mean so

00:23:10.860 like kemi she does protest too much well that that one singular incident right if they had

00:23:18.520 actually come down if the met police had come down on them in the way that they should and the

00:23:23.240 way that they're saying that they're going to that will blow their quotas way out the window oh god

00:23:27.600 yeah it will be screwed i mean we know that the police have quotas for graphs that they're trying

00:23:32.280 to follow who yeah but the police will be framed as an active instrument of white supremacy yeah

00:23:37.060 exactly and this is exactly what sadiq khan himself did with stop and search against boris

00:23:42.680 johnson boris johnson imposed stop and search and they were like oh it's disproportionately

00:23:47.380 targeting urban youths and boris was like yeah but the knife crime is down and sadiq khan literally

00:23:51.700 ran on the campaign of i will stop stop and search with the knife crime so anyway parents

00:23:57.940 should know where their children are and what they're doing discipline should start at home

00:24:01.080 I'm not in the courtroom.

00:24:02.380 Okay, well, let's talk about that, shall we,

00:24:06.240 very briefly since we're running out of time.

00:24:09.420 But so this is, oh, yeah, that I forgot to say.

00:24:12.440 There's so much looting in Africa that these sort of prison shops exist

00:24:15.900 where you can't loot it because it's barricaded up.

00:24:18.500 I went to one of them in Boston.

00:24:21.080 Yeah.

00:24:21.540 Where?

00:24:22.160 Boston, the United States.

00:24:23.580 I did hear you, right?

00:24:24.640 I go into a shop, and it turns out that I'd rented an Airbnb on the border.

00:24:30.080 Right.

00:24:30.520 between areas

00:24:31.900 I go to

00:24:33.160 sort of

00:24:33.660 try to find a beer

00:24:34.520 and I get to this

00:24:36.420 Korean shop

00:24:37.040 and it's just

00:24:37.840 it feels like a prison

00:24:39.540 yeah I mean this

00:24:40.160 this looks like

00:24:40.740 bulletproof glass

00:24:41.540 and fencing

00:24:42.840 and and and

00:24:43.700 I'm like

00:24:44.000 this looks like

00:24:44.560 something out of Fallout

00:24:45.380 you know

00:24:46.740 it's just like

00:24:47.280 this is mad

00:24:47.940 they say our shops

00:24:48.900 haven't yet

00:24:49.500 but these

00:24:49.960 sadly seem well

00:24:50.800 no no they have

00:24:51.680 but they

00:24:52.040 in California

00:24:52.740 they have

00:24:53.880 but our shops

00:24:54.820 are like this

00:24:55.320 because everything

00:24:55.900 is behind lock and key

00:24:56.860 now anyway

00:24:57.420 not the front of the shop

00:24:58.940 but everything

00:24:59.640 within the shop

00:25:00.860 Same in California, though.

00:25:02.260 Everything apart from, you know, suntan lotion.

00:25:05.120 I hate it.

00:25:05.800 I so...

00:25:06.400 Yeah, I hate it too, right?

00:25:08.040 Whereas in Japan, they brag about not having to tie down their Apple products.

00:25:12.600 Yeah, you can leave your bike out.

00:25:14.960 You can leave everything everywhere.

00:25:16.180 People just don't touch it.

00:25:17.100 So what do they do in Africa?

00:25:18.900 Well, they have actually broadly the same problems that we have here.

00:25:22.480 No.

00:25:23.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:23.800 Less than one third of black South African children live with their biological fathers.

00:25:27.500 Okay, but that's a problem for discipline, isn't it?

00:25:29.500 that's a bit of a problem and that explains this current state of south africa in a lot in large

00:25:33.880 ways right in 2005 they did a survey uh of how children were punished in africa and they found

00:25:41.720 out that 90 of the children were just beaten just beaten and the beatings were carried out by

00:25:48.360 largely the mothers and a seven to one ratio roughly the ratio of fatherless to fathered

00:25:56.200 households. It's like, right, okay, so

00:25:58.120 and this is a common thing. Anyone who's

00:26:00.220 been to Africa and travelled to Africa

00:26:02.380 will give you the same report. Essentially

00:26:04.340 they just all use

00:26:05.620 any infraction

00:26:08.600 the child has committed. The child gets

00:26:10.440 a beating, right? And in fact

00:26:12.540 by the way, it's broadly the same

00:26:14.600 here. In the African

00:26:16.600 Caribbean community here has

00:26:18.600 by far the highest rate of

00:26:20.120 fatherlessness in the households.

00:26:22.440 These are the Asian ones. They're very low.

00:26:24.720 They are, if I can

00:26:26.200 For some reason, I'm not going down.

00:26:27.880 There we go.

00:26:28.700 That's, why is that being so funny?

00:26:32.740 All right, well, that's not scrolling properly for some reason.

00:26:36.160 Right on the far right side.

00:26:39.020 So there you've got the whites.

00:26:40.280 So the whites and Asians are pretty much the same with that.

00:26:42.760 Mostly it's, apart from the gypsies, but don't worry about them.

00:26:46.320 But then you get to the black Caribbean and just African households,

00:26:51.380 and it's more than half of them don't have fathers in households.

00:26:54.840 So it's like, right, okay, interesting.

00:26:58.080 And so what do the Africans do about their wayward children?

00:27:01.780 Well, as the BBC tell us, the African parents say,

00:27:04.780 pick the stick that you want me to use to beat you.

00:27:07.900 That's the way they're done.

00:27:08.940 And we'll play a bit of this because it's actually really interesting.

00:27:12.920 We'd have a very candid conversation.

00:27:15.680 Then I would think about it.

00:27:19.280 And she was like, you know what?

00:27:20.940 Today, this is the day.

00:27:22.680 She like kicks her slipper into her hand and she's like,

00:27:24.600 you in Swahili says in Takuchapa like I'll beat you like you over here we're not doing this right

00:27:30.140 so I'm like all right then let's let's go like you're gonna do it and we were like running

00:27:35.500 mind you my mom used to play a lot of sports she used to play basketball all this stuff so we're

00:27:40.820 on the table doing these ones like across the table from each other and I like managed to like

00:27:45.360 run away and run up the stairs and she's at the bottom of the stairs so I'm like ah I made it

00:27:48.800 running up the stairs and she takes her slip and throws it up the stairs without missing a beat

00:27:54.280 and it just knocks me on the back of my head.

00:27:57.840 I mean, that's hilarious, but there was another one

00:28:00.960 where I think it was, yeah, this one, actually.

00:28:03.740 I actually wanted us to...

00:28:05.660 ... or none of that.

00:28:06.900 I don't know, they never did that,

00:28:09.020 but I think it's probably because for them,

00:28:11.300 they just disciplined with love.

00:28:13.840 But I think the other aspect is probably because,

00:28:17.060 like I said, being raised by a village,

00:28:19.580 my aunts, my uncles, some of them,

00:28:22.780 they are the ones who would give us the beatings.

00:28:26.060 I had an aunt, for example, I love the two beats,

00:28:29.140 but man, she could do so.

00:28:32.260 So she would tell you, my aunt would tell you,

00:28:35.420 go and collect the stick that you want me to use to beat you.

00:28:41.340 And of course you don't want to.

00:28:43.220 So notice what she's saying there, right?

00:28:46.020 Now in England in particular,

00:28:47.960 Northwest European households are very individualistic.

00:28:50.740 They're what they call atomic households that have a mother, a father and the children and actually minimal influence from external family relations.

00:29:00.200 This is not like the Mediterranean, who have much denser, wider family relations all across the Mediterranean, in fact.

00:29:07.640 And the Africans, as you can see, their view of familial relations are literally it's a village.

00:29:14.940 So, I mean, like when I was young, you know, if I did something wrong, then I'd get smacked by my dad.

00:29:20.740 the idea of my aunts or uncles smacking me was pretty unthinkable yeah but i mean i knew i was

00:29:25.940 going to get a smack from my dad so you know it didn't really matter but this completely normal

00:29:30.980 no no the answer that what why aren't the parents punishing you you know the parents are actually

00:29:35.140 hands-off here and it's the aunts and uncles that have to smack the kids and so it's very

00:29:40.220 interesting how they've just got completely different social structures and we don't

00:29:44.620 understand them right we do not understand but this is what they do in africa and so i guess

00:29:52.380 we'll just leave that there just because um just say this is this is a really really complex social

00:29:58.040 problem that is just never going to be solved because essentially what we would have to admit

00:30:02.820 is that different kinds of communities have different expectations of the world around them

00:30:08.080 Think about it this way. The benefit system here enables the atomization of households

00:30:14.760 for the recipients of benefits. The internal wiring demands being raised by a village.

00:30:21.820 Exactly.

00:30:22.500 There is this incongruence that happens, and the result of that is the scenes that you get in Clapham.

00:30:28.840 Precisely. That is precisely it. We are expecting them to live like us

00:30:33.440 when they have a wholly different expectation of how they should be living.

00:30:37.600 Yeah, it doesn't work.

00:30:39.980 Anyway, let's move on.

00:30:42.580 Who knew that man-made horrors beyond our comprehension

00:30:44.860 would refer directly to other people instead of technological terrors?

00:30:49.500 And as I said yesterday, the crowd controlling this horde

00:30:52.520 is actually incredibly simple.

00:30:54.160 I have them all follow me out there.

00:30:56.640 But I saw a bunch of Africans posting,

00:30:59.380 well, if this was happening in Nigeria or whatever,

00:31:01.860 they'd just shoot them.

00:31:03.240 It's like, well, yeah, I could have found examples of that, actually,

00:31:06.240 but I didn't.

00:31:06.700 anyway

00:31:07.300 all right

00:31:09.740 we're going to

00:31:10.440 delve

00:31:10.980 oh yes

00:31:11.720 into the mind

00:31:12.760 of the court

00:31:13.960 philosopher

00:31:14.500 yeah um

00:31:15.580 rory stewart

00:31:16.340 the court philosopher

00:31:17.220 essentially

00:31:17.720 yeah

00:31:18.200 part of

00:31:20.120 the biggest

00:31:20.900 political podcast

00:31:21.920 in

00:31:22.600 britain

00:31:23.400 and also the most

00:31:24.180 correct man

00:31:25.080 who's ever made a prediction

00:31:26.120 there's a weird

00:31:29.940 lack of like

00:31:30.660 shame and

00:31:31.420 and uh

00:31:32.000 contrition

00:31:32.560 on the part of

00:31:33.440 rory stewart

00:31:33.960 really

00:31:34.460 because he kept

00:31:35.240 making these

00:31:35.820 rock solid

00:31:36.580 predictions and every

00:31:37.920 single one of them

00:31:38.900 100% 100% 100%

00:31:40.420 the complete opposite

00:31:41.560 it's like Rory you

00:31:42.200 are radicalized by

00:31:42.940 your social media

00:31:43.500 bubble my friend

00:31:44.380 crazy actually crazy

00:31:45.780 but first there's a

00:31:47.860 Lotus Eaters live

00:31:49.220 event at time of

00:31:50.840 recording this next

00:31:52.620 week yeah next

00:31:53.400 weekend isn't it so

00:31:54.240 yeah yeah at the

00:31:55.240 Mecca in Swindon

00:31:56.280 I'm gonna be there

00:31:57.380 at the bar we're all

00:32:00.440 gonna be there I'm

00:32:00.960 not gonna be a part

00:32:01.400 of it I'm just gonna

00:32:02.380 be at the bar so if

00:32:03.580 you want to buy me a

00:32:04.560 beer then pop on down

00:32:05.920 i'm just soliciting beers no watch it come on down watch it it's gonna be good fun all right

00:32:11.540 it's gonna be really really good fun and if you like those kind of events you've got to go and

00:32:14.780 support them because they don't happen without your support so super important anyway um this

00:32:21.180 mouse is working right so like i said we're just going to delve into the mind of uh rory stewart

00:32:26.360 here so he god rory stewart and the also most correct and smartest man in the world ollie

00:32:31.300 doug more is that yeah yeah for the new statesman and the new society so there's so much you can

00:32:38.800 pull from this it's just it's truly fascinating um yeah it's there's i actually had a lot more

00:32:45.660 note timestamps but obviously we can't get through it all it's a really long interview

00:32:50.700 um hour and 10 minutes and if you're going to dissect it and do commentary my god it's hard

00:32:55.280 so we're just over to the lads we're just going to listen to this um i want to circle back to

00:33:01.480 what you were saying about the idea of what it meant to be a boy and a man and if we could just

00:33:05.880 talk about that in the present day what you think it does mean to be a boy to be a man in 2026 in

00:33:13.860 britain um well i think that

00:33:17.500 we were talking just before we came on air with this amazing Louis Theroux documentary on the

00:33:26.240 manosphere, where he's interviewing male influencers, projecting a particular vision,

00:33:31.000 kind of Andrew Tate masculinity. And of course, I've got two sons. So I've been trying to get my

00:33:36.140 head around this. I think there seems to be, on a sort of rough population basis,

00:33:46.120 biological differences in terms of male testosterone aggression, competitiveness,

00:33:54.000 appetite for risk, particularly with young men. And I think it's important to bring up boys and

00:34:01.640 educate them in a way that recognize that roughly on average, they're a bit different

00:34:07.360 to girls.

00:34:08.380 Oh, wow.

00:34:10.000 I mean.

00:34:11.340 I've been very moved by teachers.

00:34:13.840 I was talking to a teacher in the state system recently who was talking in a very funny way

00:34:18.220 about what it's like having 15, 16 year old boys in your class and the kind of things

00:34:22.680 they get up to and the sort of tolerance you need to have for the madness of what people

00:34:28.380 can do, right?

00:34:28.960 And I do feel that is quite important, which is how do you celebrate aggressiveness, but not violence?

00:34:41.600 You know, how do you celebrate risk taking, but not careless irresponsibility?

00:34:47.700 How do you celebrate competitiveness, which isn't belittling other people?

00:34:54.340 Yeah.

00:34:54.860 I mean, I feel like this is already a pretty solid foreshadowing

00:34:59.160 for some of the stuff that...

00:35:00.320 So, thoughts?

00:35:02.380 What a completely trite and trivial observation, Rory.

00:35:06.920 And the fact...

00:35:08.280 Boys and girls are different.

00:35:10.320 Largely, maybe different.

00:35:11.560 Yeah, largely.

00:35:12.220 On average, in general, without getting too specific.

00:35:16.140 The fact that he says it with such hesitation and fearfulness...

00:35:20.320 I'm approaching a really controversial subject here.

00:35:22.900 Exactly, he's terrified...

00:35:24.560 You're not ready for this take.

00:35:27.760 He's really terrified of what was going to be said about him

00:35:31.300 in response to this.

00:35:34.040 Guardian head like Rory Stewart says,

00:35:35.880 men and women are different.

00:35:37.200 Exactly.

00:35:38.280 Conservative MP.

00:35:39.900 Exactly.

00:35:41.300 Oh, actually, there's a super chat.

00:35:42.900 What the hell is he saying?

00:35:43.820 Water is wet.

00:35:44.600 It's like, yes.

00:35:45.840 Exactly.

00:35:46.760 That's the incredible incisive commentary he has on that.

00:35:49.220 Yeah.

00:35:49.460 Yeah. This is a good intro to what we're dealing with here on this segment.

00:35:57.360 But if you notice how he framed it, he left it open to being able to say, but some men, but some women can have penises.

00:36:03.840 Yeah, sure.

00:36:05.220 Don't draw a hard boundary.

00:36:06.540 Exactly. If you parse what he's saying, he's leaving the possibility open.

00:36:12.060 Yeah, I mean, there are some women with penises, you know, a very small minority, as Keir Starmer said.

00:36:18.240 But they exist, and we should respect that.

00:36:21.040 So it's...

00:36:21.780 But also, he's also acting as if he's broaching

00:36:25.640 some dark and undiscovered continent.

00:36:28.640 Yes.

00:36:29.300 It's like, yeah, well, we've recently found, actually.

00:36:31.980 And the question was, what does it mean to grow up as a boy in Britain?

00:36:36.760 We need to find a way for boys to channel their competitiveness.

00:36:40.880 That's not bad.

00:36:41.440 It's like, yes, it's called rugby.

00:36:43.140 Yeah.

00:36:44.000 You would have played in the posh school you went to

00:36:47.200 when you were a boy and i'm sure you loved rugby look at your frame you know i'm sure you absolutely

00:36:52.360 loved a bit of rugger you know like rory we know all of this this is time tested you went to school

00:36:57.980 where men and women boys and girls did different sports and the girls played hockey and you played

00:37:02.760 rugby like just like i know i didn't play in such a nice school but like just like i did when i was

00:37:07.280 at school sure you did when you were at school this is not something that oh well we need to

00:37:10.600 figure out what we can do for men and women and boys and girls so to to foster their different

00:37:15.800 natures no this this was so so obviously well understood just 50 years ago not even somebody

00:37:23.320 should ask him if we need finishing schools for girls or something like that he does his mind

00:37:28.580 i'm totally for it though i'm totally segregated education they learn differently anyway let's

00:37:34.700 carry on oh yes this is amazing treasure trove right honestly it really is it really is um

00:37:42.260 You used the phrase there, political evil, extreme political evil.

00:37:46.680 Sorry, can we pause on a second?

00:37:48.220 Are you going to mention how...

00:37:49.640 It's the solemnness that he's approaching.

00:37:53.340 Well, I mean, we said this.

00:37:55.860 Ollie, you prat, you know,

00:37:58.400 I know you grew up in the Blairite education system.

00:38:01.300 I know you didn't go to a private school.

00:38:03.600 You know, stop putting on this affectation.

00:38:05.600 It's so preposterous.

00:38:06.780 I'm speaking about something so profound.

00:38:09.640 Gather round, audience.

00:38:12.260 So you're talking about political evil.

00:38:14.940 It stuck with me.

00:38:16.700 Where do you, if you're looking around the world now,

00:38:19.160 where do you see that finding its expression?

00:38:21.400 How would you apply it to our modern moment?

00:38:24.560 Well, the word evil means many, many different things.

00:38:29.660 But for me, one of the most fundamental aspects is carelessness.

00:38:37.640 um that it's what reckless hold on

00:38:44.520 firstly these are two completely different categories he's broaching it from the perspective

00:38:52.720 of i need to i need to uh i need to broad stroke the definition here so so no one can sort of

00:38:58.400 paint me into one little box i need to say that there's loads of meanings but there's just this

00:39:02.480 one that i'm going to focus in on but then when it comes to carelessness does being careless about

00:39:07.540 the future of your own people count as evil but that should be a question well no the the reason

00:39:13.260 aha right now this is great point the the reason that we don't think of these people as evil and

00:39:19.360 it's only like you know people online who are very concerned about this thing right it's because evil

00:39:23.020 fundamentally is about intentionality right you have to think and will something to be done to

00:39:29.520 someone so carelessness can never be evil as it would be defined in any normal sensible run over

00:39:36.000 hedgehog exactly right and and so you can accidentally do these things and don't get me

00:39:41.820 wrong when you're oh no i'm so sorry i didn't mean to do that right or if you are evil go ha ha i

00:39:45.840 didn't mean to do that but but but the act itself wasn't evil because it wasn't intentional this is

00:39:50.220 why murder and manslaughter are two different categories precisely precisely right so like

00:39:55.300 use it well evil could be carelessness no it couldn't it actually couldn't the one thing it

00:39:59.580 couldn't actually be you've hit on rory is a thing he chose casual disregard for consequences

00:40:10.160 now that could be us in our own private lives you know the way we treat a romantic partner

00:40:17.240 just causing chaos sleeping with lots of people not carrying the misery it causes them

00:40:23.520 or it could be what i see in donald trump which is so sorry sorry we've gone from being

00:40:34.220 sleeping around to donald trump so we've gone from peter madison to donald trump and they both

00:40:39.660 sort of sleep around but slightly differently i mean one of them actually is evil

00:40:43.980 a whimsical complete disregard for thinking through consequences in this case he gets out

00:40:53.280 bed in the morning and he thinks, ah, Israel's going to bomb them anyway. And, you know,

00:40:58.900 why don't I join in and we'll bomb Iran?

00:41:01.400 Jesus. And he upends all the economies of the Gulf. I mean, UAE, Dubai will struggle

00:41:10.860 to recover in the next 10 years from what he's done. He has driven up oil prices. He's crippled

00:41:17.920 the economies of Europe, he will mean that very poor farmers in sub-Saharan Africa, Latin

00:41:23.760 America will not be able to access fertilizer because he's driven up the oil price. He has

00:41:29.360 unleashed misery on Iran itself. And my guess is he just doesn't care. And so for me, evil

00:41:39.540 in Trump is just a sort of sense of a sort of slick,

00:41:48.060 charming recklessness.

00:41:52.040 Right.

00:41:52.640 So it's not evil.

00:41:53.620 I'm not saying it's not bad.

00:41:54.780 Obviously, it's bad.

00:41:57.020 We've got many criticisms of Trump's Iran war.

00:41:59.440 It's ridiculous.

00:42:01.000 And, of course, the things we're already saying here,

00:42:03.140 yes, these knock-on effects will be correct.

00:42:05.340 But if it's done through recklessness and carelessness,

00:42:09.100 it's not evil yep it's a different category it's yes it's hubris it's pride it's all kinds of other

00:42:17.400 things but and in some way it's actually worse right yeah because like evil at least means you

00:42:22.540 have regard from the person acting upon you right rather than irrelevance yes you know like there's

00:42:28.860 what's the quote from the street fighter movie you know oh for you it was the most important day of

00:42:32.780 your life but for me it was a tuesday yeah yeah that's you know that that's worse in a way because

00:42:37.960 at least if you know Sauron's trying to kill you or take your village at least you're like I'm

00:42:41.540 important Sauron I'm at least someone who gets recognition of the importance of me no for Donald

00:42:45.700 Trump it's irrelevant okay bad but it's not evil it's just something else also I mean what is

00:42:51.480 highlighting there is the world's reliance on other people so well actually you need to get down to

00:42:57.380 like anyone who has an issue with what Donald Trump has done fundamentally you need to look

00:43:03.380 you can have your your issues with it for sure but like britain for instance we're suggesting

00:43:08.520 that oh so our stability hinges on someone else okay exactly but that's actually that's a failing

00:43:15.500 of us and our leaders it's a failure it's not a failure of trump exactly trump is in control of

00:43:21.200 america you can have your criticisms of him and they're fair but you also have to be well aware

00:43:26.560 that each nation state should be completely independent and not reliant on others otherwise

00:43:32.620 it is a failure and if you're not you should expect things like this to end up happening

00:43:37.020 exactly so it's just honestly there's so many interesting things in this i just tried to do

00:43:42.500 like the highlight okay so we are dipping around and here and there um this one in particular is

00:43:48.080 before we begin just ollie everything about ollie i know i'm in the presence of a profound thinker

00:43:53.860 no no yes it's also that he is profound as well he's asking such deep questions yes yeah yes i

00:44:00.040 tried to include him specifically because i knew i do like i'm interested in how i feel like there

00:44:11.620 is a an understanding that's characterized by empathy that actually is an understanding of

00:44:19.820 that world and when i look across national british political discourse i cite some recent

00:44:28.060 examples, whether it's Nick Timothy saying that Muslims praying in Trafalgar Square during Ramadan

00:44:36.400 is some kind of act of domination, whether it's reform, other parties on the radical right in

00:44:42.760 Britain pledging to do things like banning the burqa, that essentially the way that I think much

00:44:46.420 of our politics engages with Muslims in Islam is a bigoted one. And whilst there are obvious

00:44:51.820 downsides and consequences, not least for Muslims living in Britain for that, there is now

00:44:57.500 increasingly i think in the explicit national interest in this instance in foreign policy

00:45:02.420 that ignorance means that the west's activity in iran it's it's if it was more characterized by

00:45:12.480 intelligence and understanding of empathy it seems to me that our national interest might

00:45:17.320 be better served and i would just kind of invite your reflections on that culture on that

00:45:24.440 the sort of animosity that exists in much of our politics

00:45:28.260 towards people of this faith, people of this religion that live here.

00:45:32.260 Yeah, I think we've got to be very clear.

00:45:35.640 Is he saying that we should be pandering to Muslims

00:45:38.300 more than we already do for the national interest?

00:45:41.220 Yeah, because we've got too many here.

00:45:43.820 And so for foreign geopolitics, our focus on foreign geopolitics...

00:45:47.220 I mean, Keir Starmer literally said they were the face of modern Britain.

00:45:49.760 That's the suggestion that he's making, basically.

00:45:52.040 But that's not enough.

00:45:53.520 Apparently not.

00:45:54.200 I mean, how much more pandering can you get?

00:45:57.880 You haven't heard the reply yet.

00:45:59.780 Okay, okay, sorry, go on.

00:46:03.540 This is basically racism.

00:46:06.520 I mean, essentially, the AFD in Germany or the far right in Britain

00:46:14.280 or all those people on social media who are talking about Judeo-Christian values

00:46:18.240 and saying, I've got nothing against people of colour.

00:46:21.860 or I just don't like Islam, are basically racist.

00:46:28.040 I mean, essentially what they're trying to do is drive hundreds of thousands, millions of people out of their country.

00:46:34.780 I mean, the AFD, some of their leadership are very clear about it.

00:46:38.780 They talk about re-migration.

00:46:40.680 You're a Muslim, you're going to be shoved out of Germany.

00:46:43.300 And it's the most amazing nonsense.

00:46:53.480 I mean, this idea that somehow Islam itself is a kind of inherently bad religion and other religions are sort of inherently good is completely demented.

00:47:07.580 I mean, the whole world history is littered with Christians doing horrible things, Buddhists doing.

00:47:16.760 I mean, you really want to see madness.

00:47:18.320 I mean, even Buddhism has a kind of radical French Hindu nationalists doing bad things, right?

00:47:24.440 Religious Zionists in Israel doing horrible things.

00:47:27.320 All of them, if you're an extremist, appealing to some weird scriptural justification.

00:47:34.820 But the point is that the extremism precedes the scriptural justification.

00:47:38.140 It's not driven by the scriptural justification.

00:47:40.140 This same Islam, and I've spent a lot of my life living in Muslim countries.

00:47:44.560 I grew up partly in Malaysia.

00:47:45.900 I lived in Afghanistan.

00:47:46.740 I lived in Iraq.

00:47:47.560 I lived in Pakistan.

00:47:50.740 My lived experience is of extremely generous, dignified, thoughtful, empathetic societies,

00:47:58.880 which don't begin to resemble the kind of ideas

00:48:03.260 that white non-Muslims develop.

00:48:06.760 Okay, okay, okay, right.

00:48:08.000 This is amazing because what Rory is arguing for here

00:48:11.460 is ethnic segregation along racial and religious lines.

00:48:15.320 Because he's like, oh, I grew up in Pakistan.

00:48:17.460 Yes, where everyone is a Pakistani

00:48:18.760 and the Christian minority is being persecuted

00:48:20.940 and out of existence.

00:48:21.960 I grew up in Afghanistan where everyone is a Muslim

00:48:25.140 and an Afghan and they have a particular settlement

00:48:28.140 that is essentially just unchallengeable like what could you go to afghanistan and pakistan

00:48:33.100 and start proselytizing another religion it's probably illegal yes it's controlled by the

00:48:37.840 taliban and by like you can get arrested for taking bibles into the country and and he's just

00:48:43.260 like yeah and so everyone was very kind and generous because the settlement was you do

00:48:47.560 things our way and therefore we can afford to be kind and generous and now we've brought in

00:48:52.200 millions of people from a radically different faith who have a radically different worldview

00:48:56.000 and everyone's like christ they're changing everything we're not happy with the way things

00:48:59.120 are and he's like well i just don't understand it's like they're just racists and yeah they're

00:49:03.340 just racists it's like that's hold on give give me a second the point that he makes about the

00:49:08.860 scripture not driving this is nonsense this is utter nonsense yeah it was precisely the nature

00:49:15.480 of islamic scripture that led islam to reject philosophy yeah that rejected rejection of

00:49:21.500 philosophy is what led to the extreme legalism to the thoughtlessness behind islam to the idea

00:49:28.780 that the word of god is a stone tablet rather than something that is alive it it derives precisely

00:49:35.800 from the scriptures and if you look at the history of islam it's littered with this stuff

00:49:41.180 it keeps on happening you keep on getting these movements that are saying you're not muslim enough

00:49:46.560 you need to be more muslim and the way to make you do that is to kill you i mean that's change

00:49:50.620 your mind so so just as a quick thing on this right that that that is explicitly the reason

00:49:56.360 that we are plagued with such radical forms of islam now exactly the diabandi school of islam

00:50:01.920 which is half the mosques in this country was established in northern india as a reaction to

00:50:06.900 the british empire spread spreading his enlightenment values same with the salafists

00:50:10.640 in saudi arabia an explicit reaction to napoleon and the other like enlightenment radicals coming

00:50:16.580 and spreading their philosophy like this this is just not true rory it's just not true also his

00:50:22.340 statement of well my lived experience yeah well okay sure sure i mean one rory stewart turned up

00:50:27.260 in a pakistani village and they were they were kind to him yes i would expect that rory

00:50:31.140 were you a 12 year old girl yeah well his lived experience to him supersedes the entire uh english

00:50:39.560 lived experience where we've had to live amongst these people for quite some time and we've had

00:50:43.540 enough but why do you think this has come up rory yeah yeah our lived experience is not a pleasant

00:50:48.680 one mate we don't want them here no one's being like oh the chinese are such a problem right

00:50:52.840 because little chinese people are running corner shops like chinese takeaways no one has a problem

00:50:56.660 with it i mean a lot that fueled brexit was a lot of the polish we had a lot of problems with polish

00:51:00.520 people people forget that yes and no disrespect to polish people i've met many of you and you're

00:51:04.540 absolutely brilliant but we did have a big issue with polish here and that is often forgotten now

00:51:09.740 but that was one of the large driving factors of Brexit.

00:51:12.060 Yes.

00:51:12.360 So, you know, it's very selective for a reason.

00:51:16.060 Farage got in trouble saying there were going to be loads of Romanians coming over.

00:51:19.380 Yeah.

00:51:20.140 Because do we actually want loads of Romanians coming over?

00:51:22.240 We've got loads of problems with Albanians right now.

00:51:23.640 Yeah.

00:51:23.880 Well, is it racist?

00:51:24.800 I mean...

00:51:25.640 I guess Rory Stewart would say yes.

00:51:27.040 Yeah.

00:51:27.460 Well, yeah, exactly.

00:51:28.400 For him, the idea of racism is predicated on rejecting the blank slate.

00:51:32.820 Yes.

00:51:33.160 If you accept the reality that different groups of people are genuinely different,

00:51:37.840 and that it's a good thing that they're different and that's part of god's plan and we can't have

00:51:43.180 diversity without it rory exactly exactly yeah if you accept that diversity is real that there is

00:51:49.160 genuine human diversity then the conclusion is well you must be racist but at the same time

00:51:54.200 you must safeguard the peculiarities of pakistani culture or of you know some weird native indian

00:52:00.600 tribe or what have you so it's an entirely incoherent position that is predicated on

00:52:05.920 black slate-ism and that everybody's exactly the same.

00:52:08.680 And, I mean, again, his entire statement is,

00:52:11.420 you must like Islam, basically.

00:52:13.520 It's like you can't have an issue with that as an ideology.

00:52:15.880 I mean, that's a nonsense.

00:52:17.120 And no one's saying there are kind people in Islam.

00:52:20.600 Yeah, it's outliers.

00:52:21.440 But not even necessarily outliers, right?

00:52:24.440 So I imagine if you go to almost any Muslim country,

00:52:26.320 yeah, the Muslims will probably be nice enough.

00:52:28.160 Oh, yeah.

00:52:28.620 You will be met with hospitality.

00:52:30.600 You will be met with respect.

00:52:31.960 But the minute you transgress certain lines, that stops.

00:52:35.740 They're operating in their separate...

00:52:36.460 And this is normal.

00:52:37.900 Yes.

00:52:38.240 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:52:39.140 And this is normal for everybody else,

00:52:40.620 including Europeans, Rory.

00:52:42.200 Any culture, actually.

00:52:43.500 You go to anywhere.

00:52:43.920 Yeah, literally anywhere.

00:52:44.820 Yeah, literally any culture.

00:52:46.200 You break their cultural norms,

00:52:47.500 you're probably going to end up being arrested.

00:52:49.100 Go to China and tell them that they should,

00:52:51.900 that they have yellow supremacy.

00:52:54.200 Good luck with that.

00:52:55.000 They'd probably say yes.

00:52:56.040 Exactly.

00:52:56.640 Just Chad, yes.

00:52:57.700 Exactly, exactly.

00:52:58.880 There's a little bit more of his response,

00:53:00.280 which we'll listen to,

00:53:00.720 and then we'll get on to the last one.

00:53:03.000 Right.

00:53:03.380 It's, I mean, and it's partly just pure.

00:53:05.480 ignorance. I mean, it's not very different from the kind of way that, well, our experience,

00:53:10.600 I suppose, with other forms of racism. That the kind of ways that people thought about

00:53:19.080 black people when they hadn't met any black people, or the kind of ways that people thought

00:53:23.620 about people who were gay until they actually had some gay friends. I mean, a lot of it

00:53:29.000 is simply that. They just don't know any Muslims, right? They don't understand the lived experience

00:53:34.020 of it they don't understand um we do mate that okay for the sake of time can we just add to that

00:53:40.400 all right yeah sorry sorry honestly rory i know i know um and so then there was this one which i

00:53:47.600 found this this is our final one uh it was about you and about mit romney and it said it was it

00:53:54.980 said that you'd been you've been proven right on most things but that you weren't that you didn't

00:54:00.860 have the fiber of a, you know, a national political leader or something. And I thought

00:54:07.180 it was so, it was Jananganesh and it was, it was so interesting about what it revealed

00:54:12.640 about our society that, you know, someone can give an incredibly prescient contribution

00:54:16.060 about the need to increase defense spending in Britain. But at the end of the day, if

00:54:20.240 you're not prepared to make an intervention on the Prince Andrew scandal or whatever,

00:54:23.980 then it's your sort of politics doesn't reward you for being right. Right. That's not how

00:54:28.340 politics works it doesn't also i mean i've been wrong about lots of things too um and it doesn't

00:54:33.440 necessarily particularly punish you for being wrong i mean it's it's um it also finds it very

00:54:40.040 difficult to uh accept that all you can hope for from a politician is that they're trying to learn

00:54:49.980 and that there's some humility and they're trying to be a bit more right than wrong but

00:54:54.760 what i notice is is um the right and the far right and the brexit right

00:55:05.440 have this amazing uh current tendency having been catastrophically wrong in their decision to pursue

00:55:13.900 brexit right which i think the majority of the british people now accept they screwed that was

00:55:18.340 a stupid decision catastrophically wrong in their flirtation with trump catastrophically wrong

00:55:24.520 in their vulnerability they exposed to U.S. tech.

00:55:29.660 Catastrophically wrong in the way that they managed

00:55:31.960 immigration and the British economy after 2017.

00:55:36.100 And yet their brilliant trick is to suggest

00:55:40.100 that the liberal centre have no judgement,

00:55:44.820 are universally wrong about everything.

00:55:49.020 I'll just stop it there.

00:55:50.360 You are universally wrong about everything.

00:55:52.120 literally the metaphysic of what a human being is you're wrong about none of those things were

00:55:56.860 done by the right or the far right they were done by the libtard center camera night conservatives

00:56:01.100 i know that you were a part of yeah that you actually do represent in your opinions this is

00:56:06.520 mental i know genuine inside the mind is is fascinating right actually fascinating it's

00:56:12.900 like the mind of a child yeah yeah a really serious child though yes yeah serious child

00:56:19.620 he loved being told he was right though

00:56:22.120 he was loving it

00:56:23.080 even he couldn't let that stand

00:56:25.200 well I've been wrong about a lot too

00:56:27.040 thankfully

00:56:27.680 that guy's a disaster

00:56:30.340 honestly, can't be dealing with it

00:56:34.100 anyway let's just move on for the sake of

00:56:37.760 time

00:56:39.160 sorry

00:56:39.460 okay

00:56:41.380 so before we delve into Iran

00:56:45.320 a quick reminder that we are having

00:56:47.860 a live event on the

00:56:49.540 11th of April and apparently I'm moderating a debate about Star Wars. Yes. Do you know about

00:56:54.980 Star Wars? I know that I hate them all equally. There we go. That's why you're the perfect

00:56:58.620 moderator. Fine, fine. So let's sort of get started. Trump offered the Iranians a very veiled

00:57:08.700 and confused ceasefire because he said that the regime is begging for a ceasefire, which we'll

00:57:16.880 get to that in a second. But that was conditional on opening the Strait of Hormuz, which remains

00:57:24.100 blockaded by the Iranians, who are actually in full control of it, as we will see in a second.

00:57:29.980 Also, there isn't a new regime president.

00:57:34.200 It's the same president, and the new leader is the son of the old leader,

00:57:39.120 who was killed in an airstrike, along with his granddaughter and the guy's wife and so on. So

00:57:44.260 it really wasn't working I'm sure he's totally less radicalized yes I think that was a de-radicalizing

00:57:50.660 experience yeah yeah um but the IRGC quickly said that we're not opening the Strait of Hormuz

00:57:57.200 and you are engaged in ridiculous theatrics which pretty much um didn't do the talks any good

00:58:07.820 And then, according to the Times of Israel, the Iranians went ahead and fired the largest missile salvo from the first couple of days of the war, meaning that the Iranians still have effective command and control, that they can coordinate their strikes, and they're still coordinating them with Hezbollah, meaning that when the diplomats of Iran sense that there was some weakness on the part of the states,

00:58:36.260 because that's how they read the fake ceasefire offer, they got the military to act in a

00:58:44.540 coordinated manner, meaning that the attacks on the missile cities that the Iranians have

00:58:50.320 were not as effective as advertised. That's an accurate reading though, right? Because what

00:58:57.780 Trump is doing with that statement is trying to give them an off-ramp. Because it's been apparent

00:59:01.720 that this was very poorly planned,

00:59:04.220 dragged into it by Netanyahu and Israel,

00:59:07.160 and it's deeply, deeply unpopular,

00:59:09.320 literally everywhere other than the MAGA base.

00:59:11.940 Yes.

00:59:12.940 And a small section of the MAGA base

00:59:15.960 that is still watching Fox News.

00:59:18.120 Yes.

00:59:18.640 It still has high ratings,

00:59:20.020 but in the grand scheme of things,

00:59:21.640 Trump's approval is at the lowest it's ever been.

00:59:24.520 We'll get to that in a second, yes.

00:59:25.920 Okay.

00:59:27.500 So, the, I mean,

00:59:30.680 the iranians do this regularly when trump fired john bolton in 2019 if you remember the iranians

00:59:37.780 smelled weakness and what did they do they attacked saudi arabian energy right and here

00:59:42.840 they smelled weakness and that trump was trying to give them a way out they doubled down because

00:59:48.340 they don't actually want to ceasefire right now the iranians i think it's important to remember

00:59:52.780 have had this bunker mentality since the revolution yes and they've been planning for this since the

00:59:57.920 90s. I bet a lot of them are actually really excited it's finally happening. The IRGC look

01:00:03.680 like they are. Yeah. The IRGC look like they are. Some of the political leadership, they don't want

01:00:07.980 the destruction. That's normal. And so Trump says that actually the objectives are nearly complete.

01:00:16.420 Why are they firing the biggest salvo in Israel if the objectives are complete?

01:00:20.860 Netanyahu had said the day before that actually, so two days before he said that 50% of the

01:00:26.700 objectives were complete. And then the next day before Trump began signaling that he wanted an

01:00:31.820 off-ramp, he said, well, actually, Iran is no longer an existential threat. So we've solved

01:00:37.240 the problem. And the reply from the Iranians was, the biggest salvo of missiles almost is the start

01:00:42.960 of the war. I mean, there's never seemingly been a clear objective, to be fair. And it seems to

01:00:47.880 change the goalposts and move consistently nearly within, it's not even just day by day, but

01:00:53.920 literally within a day, the goalposts seem to be changed. And here's the thing. The fact is that

01:01:00.040 the objective has now become to open the Strait of Hormuz. Yeah. That's what the objective became.

01:01:06.180 The objective is return to the state of play before the war. Let's get back to the status

01:01:10.000 quo. Exactly. And the reaction from the Americans is we're going to bomb Iran to the Stone Age.

01:01:17.220 Now, let me explain this in sort of how this works.

01:01:21.380 When these wars start, the Americans and the Israelis have what they call a target bank,

01:01:26.520 which is the military objectives that they want to destroy in order to stop the enemy from fighting back.

01:01:32.660 This has happened in the past where the target bank is depleted because everything in it has been bombed.

01:01:39.060 But the intended result, which is stopping the enemy from fighting back, hasn't been achieved.

01:01:44.240 and when that happens

01:01:46.920 the next step is to start bombing

01:01:49.020 civilian and mixed use

01:01:51.040 infrastructure like power

01:01:53.080 and energy and things of that

01:01:54.700 surely that oil producing capacity

01:01:57.340 is going to be next

01:01:58.180 but that means that the Gulf's

01:02:00.920 oil producing capacity will also be next

01:02:03.000 Iranians will just nuke

01:02:04.140 not nuke but bomb that

01:02:05.720 so this is where this is going

01:02:08.080 wasn't the talk of them wiping out the grid as well

01:02:10.940 which would take like 10 years

01:02:12.540 or so to rebuild.

01:02:14.500 There has been some power outages already.

01:02:17.020 There was talk of them completely obliterating.

01:02:18.800 Exactly.

01:02:19.600 So, but the Gulf relies on power

01:02:22.960 and desalination plants that are integrated.

01:02:25.380 Right.

01:02:25.920 Meaning that if they knock out the power,

01:02:27.940 they knock out the desalination.

01:02:30.200 Meaning that life in the Gulf as we know it

01:02:32.500 in the modern era,

01:02:34.000 it hurts back to the pre-modern era.

01:02:36.380 All of those Gulf states

01:02:37.160 are using desalination plants for water, aren't they?

01:02:39.260 So Kuwait is 90%.

01:02:40.580 Saudi is something like 60, 70 percent, UAE 80, 90 percent, et cetera.

01:02:45.480 Because they live in a desert.

01:02:46.860 Because they live in a desert, exactly.

01:02:49.280 So that's the next step, the exchange of war crimes.

01:02:53.900 That's the next step in the war.

01:02:56.080 And you know that the Iranians are going to be able to target these assets in the Gulf and collapse it.

01:03:03.700 And now they're inserting themselves into American politics and backing the No Kings protests.

01:03:08.100 capitalizing on the fact that Trump's popularity is crashing.

01:03:12.280 Are you trying to say the Iranians have gone woke?

01:03:15.480 No, in their own weird way,

01:03:17.400 they know these divisions and they play them.

01:03:20.140 I wouldn't call this woke.

01:03:21.640 This is just mimetic warfare.

01:03:23.780 Exactly.

01:03:24.160 The Iranians, they're not stupid.

01:03:25.260 They know the fractures and cleavages in American society

01:03:28.380 and they're just exploiting them.

01:03:29.440 Which is why they keep saying

01:03:30.600 that this is a war against the Epstein class.

01:03:32.400 This is the problem that Trump has.

01:03:33.740 He doesn't understand the fractures and cleavages

01:03:35.280 in Iranian society.

01:03:36.420 He was like, right, if I take out the Ayatollah, you're going to rise up, right?

01:03:39.900 It's like, no.

01:03:40.780 They reunited around his son.

01:03:43.120 Absolutely.

01:03:43.620 Having been deeply divided.

01:03:45.140 And the fact that the opening strike involved murdering children in a girl's school,

01:03:51.060 and the fact that they are now bombing pharmaceutical plants in Iran,

01:03:55.540 which have no connection to the war effort,

01:03:58.000 as part of bringing it to the Stone Age,

01:04:00.120 is only going to rally the public and radicalize them.

01:04:02.820 the reality is that the iranians are in full control of hormuz and they are charging ships

01:04:10.080 to be able to pass and the chinese are paying because the payments are being made in chinese

01:04:16.500 yuan right so the people that actually are this war is supposed to you know in the 4d chess

01:04:23.220 theories this is a war that is supposed to hurt china no no the chinese are getting what they

01:04:27.480 need also one dollar a barrel doesn't seem that unreasonable no it's like a hundred dollars a

01:04:32.260 barrel or whatever okay well you got to pay a one one dollar transport fee yeah that's not that much

01:04:36.820 it really isn't it really isn't and uh you know they get to verify which ships are allowed to go

01:04:44.700 through and if there's any connection to the u.s or israel they say no you're not allowed to pass

01:04:48.440 and now they're offering apparently the europeans a deal i saw allow them to get their oil out again

01:04:55.820 like that's clever you know whether you like the iranians or not and i don't like the iranians

01:04:59.880 the mullahs anyway like you you can't deny they've played this well they're playing this quite well

01:05:05.380 their country's being destroyed and they're not giving up yeah you know and the thing is that the

01:05:11.240 economy won't survive this yeah there's i mean we can tell exactly we're living in it exactly

01:05:18.720 the bet that trump is making is that with another two or three weeks of additional bombing he's going

01:05:25.020 to break the will of the Iranian leadership.

01:05:27.360 What's an LNG tanker?

01:05:29.100 Liquefied natural gas.

01:05:30.800 So because the Nord Stream was blown up by the United States,

01:05:35.000 Europe depends on Qatari LNG to a much higher degree,

01:05:39.120 and that is sent by ship.

01:05:41.700 Thank God we're going into summer?

01:05:43.500 Yeah.

01:05:45.240 But the thing is, over summer,

01:05:47.620 typically what Europe does is maximize the buildup of reserves,

01:05:51.280 and the reserves are at historic lows

01:05:53.420 so that they can over-consume in winter.

01:05:55.660 Get a wood burner, everyone.

01:05:57.720 Genuinely, get a wood burner.

01:05:58.600 That's where we're going.

01:05:59.960 Good.

01:06:00.600 And you can see what this is doing to Trump's popularity

01:06:02.760 because it's fallen to less than 40%.

01:06:06.000 He's losing the moderates.

01:06:09.880 He's losing the independents.

01:06:11.140 He's losing the center.

01:06:12.340 He's losing the people who delivered him the White House.

01:06:14.140 And that's the thing that, honestly,

01:06:17.900 a lot of MAGA people just refuse to accept

01:06:19.860 is that Trump's victory is a coalition

01:06:21.700 between you guys and the independents.

01:06:23.880 Exactly, exactly.

01:06:25.380 So if you want to win the midterms,

01:06:26.500 you've got to have the independents.

01:06:27.580 And the independents were won over

01:06:29.480 by the idea of America first,

01:06:31.880 whereas Biden was fighting a Ukraine first policy.

01:06:36.140 And now you're fighting an Israel first policy.

01:06:37.480 And now you're in the Israel first cap.

01:06:39.060 Let's just play devil's advocate ever so slightly,

01:06:40.920 I guess, for Trump and stuff.

01:06:42.340 He has been quite smart when he,

01:06:45.900 the truth social message that he put out

01:06:49.460 to lambast the UK.

01:06:51.000 Yes.

01:06:51.260 He did, however, suggest that we could buy jet fuel from America.

01:06:55.460 So there's somewhat an element of a tactic there, it seems, a strategy.

01:07:01.240 Yep.

01:07:01.840 Just to believe it was out again.

01:07:03.600 So maybe, but Europe is getting to a desperate position.

01:07:07.100 Yeah.

01:07:08.220 Diesel prices are going through the roof, which all transport depends on diesel.

01:07:14.360 You can't do it by electric.

01:07:16.080 A lot of this is still self-inflicted by respect of not buying anything.

01:07:20.600 Do you get to that?

01:07:21.520 Okay, all right, fine.

01:07:22.000 This is, like, European policy itself is stupid and evil,

01:07:25.920 and they wouldn't be in that position

01:07:27.660 had they not been a bunch of morons.

01:07:30.040 Are you saying they're being careless?

01:07:33.220 No, no, I think in this case...

01:07:34.500 I think it's deliberately...

01:07:35.800 They literally say it.

01:07:38.880 We deliberately want to end fossil fuels.

01:07:41.940 Yes.

01:07:42.480 So, no, that's an intentionality.

01:07:44.080 Yes, exactly.

01:07:45.760 Exactly.

01:07:46.200 uh so it's the highest level since the ukraine war now right and it looks like it's going to

01:07:52.800 keep on rising if this exchange of destruction of power versus energy etc keeps going malaysia

01:07:59.820 among a bunch of other countries like thailand and the philippines are basically going into a

01:08:05.900 quasi lockdown mode this is what surprised me when uh we had that announcement that yes there

01:08:12.240 it was going to be a coordinated, near coordinated statement

01:08:15.280 from like three world leaders, America, Australia, and then the UK.

01:08:20.240 I was like, oh, what's going to happen here?

01:08:21.420 But it was the most blase, vague nonsense,

01:08:25.820 aside from what Australia's PM said, which was a case of,

01:08:29.720 yeah, you probably should begin to knuckle down a little bit.

01:08:33.640 That was the most serious out of all of them.

01:08:36.160 Whereas ours was a nothing.

01:08:38.680 Keir Starmer announced that there'd be tax cuts to fuel,

01:08:41.420 which i mean obviously there shouldn't be any that was gonna that was gonna be brought in anyway

01:08:44.960 he's not yeah he's not he's not initiated anything that wasn't gonna happen kia starmer

01:08:50.360 accidentally wins again this is what i mean it was a non-announcement because that's what all

01:08:54.480 the questions were like i didn't know you've not announced but that's what was going to happen

01:08:57.640 anyway so are you should are we should we start slowing down and he was like no should we because

01:09:06.320 you're not said anything different now yeah i mean if he had any sense yeah he'd be cutting

01:09:10.300 taxes on the north sea and sort of going for all over in terms of ed milliband's in charge of that

01:09:17.020 exactly so it's not the trump is trying to say that this is going to help the american economy

01:09:26.320 because everybody's going to have to buy energy from the united states but even american consumers

01:09:30.740 are going to be hit quite badly yeah but also a hundred dollar oil hurts american voters and is

01:09:36.700 damaging his coalition. But I also don't think Trump, Trump has underestimated the sheer

01:09:42.620 self-harm Europe is willing to put themselves into by not buying anything from America.

01:09:50.980 Yes, yes. And speaking of Americans, the corn growers, I mean, the corn lobby is one of the

01:09:59.380 most powerful lobbies in the United States, because I think 48 states of the 50 grow corn.

01:10:06.700 And if they're not going to be planting as much, their pockets are going to be hit, and they're going to be angry, and they are an integral part of the Trump coalition because they dominate the red states.

01:10:21.620 Yeah, you can't have corn syrup in all the things you eat if you don't have the corn lobby.

01:10:25.580 Yeah, well, there you go, exactly. Or ethanol, for that matter.

01:10:30.320 South Korea is going crazy and saying, save every drop of fuel, we're in a desperate position.

01:10:35.100 yeah um china is saying no more fertilizer exports which is going to be a disaster that

01:10:44.240 sounds like stockpiling to then sell it higher well down the lines yes waiting tactic isn't it

01:10:49.180 so you're making china richer and the russians have said the same thing they're suspending their

01:10:53.120 own exports of fertilizer and of a bunch of things and just in case you're wondering soda bottles

01:10:59.300 peanut butter jars sandwich bags yeah these guys are all getting hammered for anyone who doesn't

01:11:05.720 know everything made of plastic comes from oil well even um even an element of your clothing

01:11:11.600 will as well so there's going to be genuinely there's going to be everywhere so it's hitting

01:11:17.320 microchips it's hitting clothing it's hitting packaging it's hitting food it's going to hit

01:11:22.400 meat prices obviously it's hitting fuel there is nothing that is being spared yeah and the issue is

01:11:29.880 does the world economy break first or do the iranians break first

01:11:33.980 and trump is thinking sorry go on i was gonna say how's this going to affect my games workshop stock

01:11:41.040 i have one stock

01:11:42.280 well i guess that's why they've decided to go right we're bombing back to the stone age that's

01:11:49.900 the point yes yeah to break their will we have to do this now because otherwise these are religious

01:11:54.280 zealots you're just martyring them yeah and they don't care about the suffering of their own people

01:12:00.680 and that should be said which has been pretty evident the whole regime that was part of their

01:12:04.760 justification for doing it in the first place exactly and so now trump has reverted to mocking

01:12:10.660 the europeans oh brilliant and attacking nato we've been destroying your energy supplies

01:12:14.600 destroying any of your imports exactly and now we're going to call you a paper tiger it's like

01:12:18.640 Yeah.

01:12:19.060 Exactly.

01:12:20.280 So instead of Trump being the kind of North Star, shall we say,

01:12:26.720 for a broader right-wing coalition across Europe and Canada...

01:12:30.180 Now, we're all going to get Mark Carney'd.

01:12:31.820 Great.

01:12:32.880 It is, again, just to play devil's advocate ever so slightly,

01:12:35.900 this is my job.

01:12:36.600 No, no, go for it.

01:12:37.500 Go for it.

01:12:37.960 It must be really irritating to be the commander-in-chief of America,

01:12:43.880 the world hegemon.

01:12:44.940 have your allies

01:12:46.600 that you do

01:12:47.200 quite literally

01:12:47.940 you know

01:12:48.840 you shoulder their burdens

01:12:50.320 yes

01:12:50.860 and then when you do want them

01:12:52.660 to do something

01:12:53.380 they all just say no

01:12:54.780 it might be

01:12:55.840 it must be really annoying

01:12:57.440 but I think

01:12:58.140 harassing

01:12:58.860 it's frustrating

01:12:59.660 but I can't help but feel

01:13:00.920 that saying

01:13:02.100 you're weak

01:13:03.280 and we don't need your

01:13:04.280 aircraft carriers anyway

01:13:05.660 that's not the most persuasive

01:13:07.260 I agree

01:13:07.880 yeah I agree

01:13:09.480 not just that

01:13:10.520 it's sort of

01:13:11.900 you know

01:13:12.800 somebody put it as

01:13:13.900 a wife threatening to leave her husband.

01:13:16.680 If you're going to leave NATO, leave NATO.

01:13:18.720 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:19.280 If you're going to withdraw from Europe

01:13:20.420 and leave Europe to face Russia, leave.

01:13:22.520 Yeah, do it.

01:13:23.320 Rip the band-aid off.

01:13:24.280 Just get it done.

01:13:25.440 Yeah, I agree.

01:13:26.360 I'm just trying to play devil's advocate a little bit.

01:13:28.200 And if you do that,

01:13:29.140 that would help the European right.

01:13:31.200 And Marco Rubio's speech

01:13:32.180 in the Munich Security Conference

01:13:33.440 was all about saving Western civilization.

01:13:36.860 You are destroying it

01:13:38.200 and you are discrediting people who agreed with you.

01:13:40.680 Here's where I disagree

01:13:41.420 that it will help the European right.

01:13:43.020 I disagree massively in fact

01:13:44.940 it won't help the European right

01:13:45.820 I don't think it will help the European right

01:13:47.660 I think what's happened unfortunately

01:13:49.700 because I tweeted about this

01:13:50.840 I've got loads of pushback from Americans

01:13:52.000 I meant leaving NATO would have helped the European right

01:13:54.220 well I just

01:13:54.960 no I still think all of these actions right now

01:13:57.440 I think are some of the worst things possible

01:13:59.200 for the right wing movement in Europe and Britain

01:14:03.900 because you've now just pushed

01:14:05.560 you've not necessarily pushed

01:14:08.220 Keir Starmer to Europe

01:14:10.400 but what you've done is

01:14:11.540 you've given political leaders the ammunition

01:14:14.060 to then present to the electorate,

01:14:16.160 we're going to do this now, actually.

01:14:17.900 Keir Starmer, yeah, we're going to get close ties with Europe.

01:14:20.000 No one wants that, but that's his now justification.

01:14:23.040 Yes, absolutely.

01:14:23.960 And it's one of the worst things possible.

01:14:26.240 Absolutely.

01:14:27.160 And while some of the taunts against Europe are funny, like...

01:14:30.940 Sorry, just a quick thing.

01:14:31.900 If we get back to the previous one.

01:14:33.920 Essentially, what Trump is doing

01:14:35.720 is forcing the European right to be anti-American.

01:14:40.200 Yes.

01:14:40.380 we're going to have to now be like no no we need you know yeah full a divorce from america yes

01:14:47.500 because america is not a trustworthy partner they do not seem to care i mean trump like that trump

01:14:52.920 allowed canada to go to carney is really stupid yes yeah he like polar bear isn't like some

01:14:59.780 radical rightist but having a vaguely sympathetic administration would have been far superior and

01:15:04.580 destroyed the legacy of justin trudeau right but instead now it's confirmed it right yes and it's

01:15:09.660 And I said this at the time, Trump threatening to annex Canada was the reason that Carney won, which was obvious.

01:15:14.700 Yes.

01:15:14.960 And now it's going to be if like Keir Starmer or that sort of wing of politics win again in this country, it'll be because of Trump.

01:15:22.340 He would have helped them enormously.

01:15:23.420 Unbelievable.

01:15:24.060 It's really stupid.

01:15:25.100 Why is it so short-sighted?

01:15:26.260 And then being like, oh, but no one will come to my head.

01:15:28.300 It's like, yeah, but you know these people hate you,

01:15:30.840 and you've just secured their position in their own domains

01:15:33.820 rather than creating a kind of pan-Western right wing

01:15:38.240 that actually would have come to your assistance

01:15:40.060 because it would have been on your side.

01:15:42.460 He's validated their position.

01:15:43.960 Exactly.

01:15:44.700 And he's forcing all of us to be like, okay, no, we're against you,

01:15:46.940 because I'm totally against what he's doing here.

01:15:49.020 This has been a boondoggle at very best.

01:15:52.140 It's really silly.

01:15:53.740 This is mad.

01:15:55.460 I agree.

01:15:56.740 And now he's saying, you know, as you mentioned, Nate,

01:16:01.640 either you come and help us or buy oil from the United States and Venezuela

01:16:06.320 and make us rich.

01:16:08.680 But this is going to impoverish the American consumer

01:16:11.620 because of the price of oil, and that shouldn't be forgotten.

01:16:15.440 And some of the stuff about Macron is funny.

01:16:17.980 Okay, he took a punch from his wife.

01:16:20.620 But the issue is that the Europeans are still going insane anyway.

01:16:27.980 And now the EU Commission is saying you need to work from home, drive less,

01:16:32.700 and that there has to be a faster rollout of renewables.

01:16:36.680 As if renewables are going to solve anything.

01:16:40.900 Because for everything that you get out of wind and solar,

01:16:44.780 you need to have a parallel power plant that can provide the same amount

01:16:49.400 if it's cloudy and it isn't windy.

01:16:52.700 Yeah, all this does is it gives the EU and the UK

01:16:57.600 justification for their green insanity.

01:17:00.680 Exactly.

01:17:00.980 Like, well, we can't rely on this.

01:17:03.180 It's like...

01:17:03.780 Exactly.

01:17:04.180 But also, there's no way of Trump avoiding

01:17:06.800 having this pinned upon him either.

01:17:08.740 No.

01:17:09.120 There's literally no one else to blame,

01:17:11.000 unless Trump wants to pass the buck to Israel,

01:17:12.820 which he's never going to do.

01:17:14.300 Exactly.

01:17:15.620 And it should be said that the Europeans do have

01:17:18.380 some oil and gas capacity

01:17:20.860 and a lot of coal capacity

01:17:22.380 that they're choosing not to use,

01:17:25.140 which if they had at this time,

01:17:26.900 they wouldn't be in this situation.

01:17:28.820 So nothing in this

01:17:30.420 absolves European leaders.

01:17:31.620 No, no, of course not.

01:17:32.360 No, no, no.

01:17:33.140 In fact, it confirms

01:17:34.460 how insane they are,

01:17:35.760 but they're doubling down

01:17:36.840 on renewables instead.

01:17:38.260 They can gloss over that

01:17:39.700 for the electorate anyway.

01:17:41.180 Exactly.

01:17:41.660 Because the electorate,

01:17:42.320 by and large, are stupid.

01:17:43.520 Sorry, can we go to the previous one?

01:17:44.560 I can't help but notice that

01:17:45.420 in Britain,

01:17:46.380 we happen to be

01:17:46.980 particularly well-situated there.

01:17:48.760 Ridiculously well-situated.

01:17:49.540 Super giants and selected giants,

01:17:51.960 whatever they are.

01:17:52.720 Like, you know, we've got plenty.

01:17:55.120 Yes.

01:17:55.620 We've got plenty.

01:17:56.180 We could be fine.

01:17:56.900 Yes.

01:17:57.740 Britain could be exporting energy

01:17:59.860 and power to Europe if it wanted to.

01:18:02.780 But instead we get Ed Miliband in this country.

01:18:07.340 And, you know,

01:18:10.880 China is making a killing.

01:18:12.300 Of course they are.

01:18:13.620 They are selling LNG at three times the price

01:18:16.940 to japan brilliant and so if this was some kind of 5d chess move to hurt china to enrich the

01:18:26.520 chinese i i it's enriching russia and it's enriching china congratulations what are you

01:18:31.580 doing here which is again something which is taken to the european electorate and saying well

01:18:35.700 this was trump's plan all along to to help get in bed yeah to get in bed with putin but also

01:18:40.020 again europe yeah blowing up the north stream pipeline closing the straits for moose but you

01:18:44.200 could frame this as a direct attack on europe itself not to mention that if you try to send

01:18:49.400 it on to the stone age the 90 people are going to start walking and turkey's going to open the

01:18:56.840 border yeah so if you frame this as a war to destroy europe that might explain why the french

01:19:04.780 and the british and the italians and the spanish don't want anything to do with it yeah because

01:19:10.420 that is going to be the effect of it and it really doesn't help that trump's surrounded by lunatics

01:19:15.620 yes it really doesn't help that this creature paula white is saying you were betrayed and

01:19:23.020 arrested and you're like jesus oh that's what happened to jesus and so trump is being compared

01:19:32.140 to jesus here yeah fantastic and god is using trump to destroy iran oh brilliant and then you

01:19:39.000 get this lunatic franklin graham talking about how this is a repeat of the book of esther

01:19:46.500 and that this is about saving the jewish people from the evil persians oh they've come out and

01:19:53.200 said it all right then the persians didn't want to kill everybody let us pray

01:19:59.860 Father, you tell us

01:20:04.080 in the book of Esther

01:20:06.540 that the Persians, the Iranians

01:20:10.580 were wanting to kill every Jew

01:20:13.860 woman, child

01:20:16.080 and do it all in one day

01:20:18.240 but you raised up Esther

01:20:22.320 to save the Jewish people

01:20:27.480 Father, we thank you

01:20:28.880 today the iranians the wicked regime of the of this government wants to kill every jew and

01:20:41.860 destroy them with an atomic fire but you have raised up president trump how on earth and anyone

01:20:50.800 in maggot now how can you deny when people are like well this is bibi's war when that guy's

01:20:57.920 been brought to the white house and he's suggesting that the the lord and savior jesus christ and god

01:21:05.260 has raised that president trump to go and save all the jews also the persians are not the people

01:21:10.040 historically who are trying to destroy the jews it's just not true it's just the opposite in fact

01:21:16.260 in fact cyrus the great is lauded in judaism because he released them from the babylonian

01:21:21.380 captivity so yeah no the the complete opposite way around yes the jews actually love the persians

01:21:26.820 historically yes uh and and literally praise them and it also because the persians were very hands

01:21:32.600 off when it came to religion as well they were very um relaxed about it they weren't like the

01:21:36.120 assyrians who'd be like no we're capturing your gods and raising your holy places

01:21:39.020 so here we are with but the thing is no notice what it is right and this is from the europeans

01:21:46.560 perspective the sort of you know secular atheist europeans right what are we seeing we're seeing

01:21:51.700 lunatic religious fundamentalists

01:21:53.920 lunatic religious fundamentalists

01:21:55.660 and in the middle

01:21:56.580 lunatic religious fundamentalists

01:21:58.320 firing the first missile

01:21:59.860 and it's just like

01:22:00.500 oh brilliant

01:22:01.180 you know

01:22:02.160 is it like the

01:22:03.440 I don't know

01:22:04.540 the Quranic apocalypse

01:22:05.900 is it Amalek

01:22:07.820 or is it

01:22:08.600 the book of

01:22:09.240 Gog and Magog

01:22:10.380 whatever

01:22:10.600 just like

01:22:11.860 oh my god

01:22:13.200 this has to stop

01:22:15.760 yes

01:22:16.320 it's not

01:22:16.620 it's not helping

01:22:18.140 the accusations of it

01:22:19.480 no

01:22:20.480 Well, it's Israel first, obviously.

01:22:22.460 Yeah, he's not helping that, is he?

01:22:24.040 Exactly.

01:22:24.540 Very clearly.

01:22:26.820 AIPAC's rubbing their hands right now.

01:22:29.060 What are we doing here?

01:22:30.360 Why is Trump trying to destroy the right?

01:22:32.580 That's the question.

01:22:34.720 Let's go to the video comments.

01:22:36.840 Bisley Shooter says,

01:22:38.140 there was even a looting incident in Reading a year or two ago

01:22:40.760 before ethnic youth stormed a small Tesco metro,

01:22:43.820 helping themselves running out.

01:22:44.720 Well, that kind of low-level thing happens all the time.

01:22:47.200 You know, like all the time.

01:22:49.900 uh george says you can put two million more officers in clapham and it won't change a thing

01:22:53.520 since they lack the courage to arrest blacks honestly this is a massive problem they're not

01:22:57.760 allowed as well they don't feel like they have the moral authority to police these that's the

01:23:02.880 fundamental issue yeah let's watch it members of the public in the uk seem utterly unable to stop

01:23:09.440 watching the news they know that the stories are all bad and that mr trump is a horrible man but

01:23:14.260 they feel duty-bound tune in to know what's going on in the world the trick the mainstream media

01:23:19.180 plays is in presenting the news with a dramatic

01:23:21.320 flair, revealed in their voiceovers,

01:23:23.760 that are delivered to stir up feelings

01:23:25.200 in the audience rather than curiosity.

01:23:27.620 Everyone who knew I lived in Canada

01:23:29.200 had to ask me whether the Canadians liked

01:23:31.300 Trump. I could only respond truthfully

01:23:33.440 that they are told not to like him by

01:23:35.220 the news.

01:23:36.820 To be fair, he's not helping himself out, is he?

01:23:42.300 I mean, Trump

01:23:43.140 should have been, just, I think,

01:23:45.580 Trump should have been so charming

01:23:46.860 to the Canadians. He should have been charming, and he

01:23:49.100 can be charming yes he could be like an older brother yeah exactly he could be very charming

01:23:53.880 if he wanted to be and instead he took the complete opposite perspective like do all of

01:23:58.540 these things after the midterms man like late late you know spend however long when's one of

01:24:03.000 the midterms this year aren't they this year in november so you know spend like you know the year

01:24:06.600 planning if you want to attack iran i don't care just plan for it do it properly right like i don't

01:24:11.700 care if you knock off the iranian regime i have no sympathy for them but just do it properly exactly

01:24:16.900 Don't just do it ad hoc, because Israel has goaded you into it.

01:24:20.260 Anyway, let's go to the next one.

01:24:22.080 The Clay Mills Pump House is running this Sunday and Monday.

01:24:25.960 It's in Burton-on-Trent.

01:24:27.180 It's all volunteer run, so if you enjoyed my videos before then,

01:24:30.240 get yourself down and go and support them,

01:24:32.140 because it's a part of the call these days.

01:24:34.440 A bit much.

01:24:36.100 There'll be a few heritage places running this weekend,

01:24:39.100 such as the Leeward Pumping House,

01:24:41.460 the Pumpwater Pong River Derwent,

01:24:42.880 and the Bromford Canal,

01:24:44.180 which I'll be only through this weekend.

01:24:45.460 so get out and support your museums

01:24:48.260 and your heritage

01:24:49.220 I do because my youngest son

01:24:52.280 absolutely loves trains

01:24:54.060 and if Burton-on-Trent wasn't so

01:24:56.380 bloody far away from me

01:24:57.700 I'd definitely take him there because he would love

01:25:00.200 to see that

01:25:00.940 definitely support your heritage

01:25:03.040 there was that recent Denby thing saying

01:25:05.780 they have gone into administration unfortunately

01:25:08.260 but that started like Denby nationalism

01:25:10.840 which is pretty cool, it's nice to see everyone

01:25:12.480 gather round, retweet it

01:25:14.380 you know buy stuff i think it's brilliant really really good but yeah the the like for anyone uh

01:25:21.480 wondering um at dickot parkway they've got a nice train museum um we're not going to play this one

01:25:26.540 samson um for reasons people will understand let's go to the next one g'day lotus eaters i am dropping

01:25:34.360 out of gold tier membership i can't really justify the expense and money's going to be a bit tight in

01:25:39.220 a couple of months if you know what i mean for my last couple of video comments i'm going to do

01:25:43.860 something i said i would never do and i'm going to recommend anime and the first one i'm going

01:25:48.180 to recommend is full metal alchemist not the shitty 2005 version i'm talking fma brotherhood

01:25:55.240 it is awesome i think you'll really like it and i think it'd be a good thing to break down on a

01:26:00.840 youtube video i would agree with that it is very good never heard of it brilliant i've heard of it

01:26:06.120 but i've never watched it like an alternate reality where alchemy was a science rather

01:26:10.460 than science was the science right so it's quite interesting it's brilliant really well written

01:26:15.580 these kids are described the youths described in starship troopers they have not been disciplined

01:26:20.220 so they have grown up still being barbarians as that's what everyone is born as carrot and stick

01:26:24.660 doesn't work when the carrots are guaranteed and the stick is walled off these kids need a flogging

01:26:28.540 and a job and a ticket out of the country uh yeah that's honestly i totally agree um conscription

01:26:34.240 yeah conscription does not work as a solution to this the force of enough to deal with

01:26:37.940 without having to babysit a bunch of gobby youths with firearms.

01:26:41.180 Yeah, I know.

01:26:41.600 I don't really want these kids having fucking firearms.

01:26:44.820 We need to stop thinking about the forces

01:26:45.900 as something we've just fallen back on

01:26:47.240 to clean up Birmingham's mess,

01:26:48.840 cover for NHS strikes and discipline the young with.

01:26:51.120 We need to be focusing on honing themselves,

01:26:52.560 closing in with and destroying the enemy.

01:26:54.680 Yeah, I know.

01:26:55.140 We should have some sort of national service

01:26:57.340 that they can do that is essentially digging ditches

01:26:59.580 or building buildings or something.

01:27:01.440 You know, anything else really.

01:27:04.140 Make ball stools great again.

01:27:05.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:06.600 Yeah, absolutely.

01:27:07.940 funny how the government are not babbling about organizing online and trying to ban tiktok

01:27:11.680 well there was no no there has been talk about that actually you know they're saying oh it's

01:27:15.560 social media but what are you gonna do ban social media because a bunch of urban youths have uh

01:27:20.060 coordinated angry people would be yeah i know it's just mental maybe that's exactly what should

01:27:26.000 happen um rory can't even bring himself to give trump agency over his own stupid war instead he

01:27:33.180 frames it as trump just accidentally going to war with iran and bombing school children in iran

01:27:37.120 and accidentally threatening war crimes on Truth Social.

01:27:39.560 Someone needs to slap Rory and say,

01:27:41.500 stop pretending major geopolitical decisions happen accidentally.

01:27:45.700 That's a good point, obviously.

01:27:48.160 This man also looks like a case study

01:27:49.880 in the correlation between lack of testosterone

01:27:51.540 and nervous personality disorders.

01:27:53.540 Why does he look like he's working for sweats,

01:27:55.300 talking at a mild volume in a quiet room?

01:27:57.340 Well, there is speculation he's in bad health, actually.

01:27:59.800 You see, again, you remember I said...

01:28:01.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:01.900 What he's wearing, he's got a massive jacket on.

01:28:04.580 But also his posture, he's just like sunken into his own chest.

01:28:08.460 Maybe he's not in good health.

01:28:09.760 I mean, we wish him well at the end of the day,

01:28:11.440 but come on, just develop some common sense, please.

01:28:16.140 Omar's got a great point here.

01:28:17.460 America has an inherent disadvantage on the mean warfare front.

01:28:20.760 People are always going to root for David over Goliath.

01:28:24.140 The Maduro escapade was impressive

01:28:25.800 because it was an unheard of militarily,

01:28:28.480 intelligence and logistical feat.

01:28:29.840 The Iran war has the air of bullying,

01:28:32.400 letting the small guy clock him across the nose

01:28:34.180 does a lot of damage to their reputation.

01:28:36.340 Yeah, Trump trying to get out of this

01:28:37.980 rather than doing the job properly.

01:28:39.640 Like, sorry, mate, you're going to have to send in 100,000 men.

01:28:42.120 That's what you've got to do.

01:28:43.480 20 years later, the ROGC will be willing to get on again.

01:28:46.020 Sure.

01:28:46.360 That's the problem.

01:28:46.940 But, you know, you've got to go in there,

01:28:48.280 and you don't have to occupy,

01:28:49.860 but you have to go in and actually root them out

01:28:52.080 in a really unpleasant way that's going to cost lots of lives.

01:28:55.740 That's what you're committed to doing that.

01:28:58.740 And if you don't do that, you're going to look weak.

01:29:00.540 so um military strategists really make need to make more time to understand zealots and extremists

01:29:07.260 says arizona desert right it's like yeah and you would have thought they would have learned after

01:29:10.820 iraq yes would have thought because i mean like i've i've read a bunch of books about iraq and

01:29:15.560 one of the things one of the themes that came and i mean bunch books from like the american

01:29:20.720 military written by like you know generals and things one of the themes that came came out was

01:29:24.740 they just didn't understand the people there no they just didn't understand and you would think

01:29:28.620 that lesson would have been learned they don't have a mental map of the muslim mind they they

01:29:33.860 don't understand how it's different yeah no not at all uh anyway right we are out of time there

01:29:38.400 folks so go and get your tickets to the live event and uh have a great day and we'll see you tomorrow

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 02, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1388

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