00:00:28.760Marek we've got Marek and he said that he has some opinions that he'd like to share with
00:00:33.260everybody so we thought you know what let's give him a go yes your deadlift technique is very bad
00:00:37.540I don't deadlift the Romanian deadlifts I am not willing to risk myself from Romania Romania good
00:00:43.480yeah yeah there you go now keep your pockets to yourselves this is ridiculous yes this is Mark
00:00:48.900you all know Mark probably he's going to talk to us about some things that he's noticed recently
00:00:53.620that's very specific and amongst those things that we've all noticed recently that we're going
00:00:57.980to be talking about that is going to be whether reform will ever field a white candidate which
00:01:03.040is a pressing question uh you're going to be telling us about gavin newsom's wife gavin newsom's1.00
00:01:09.280insane wife yes the most insane woman in america possibly taking over from hillary and aoc it's
00:01:15.640incredible the stuff she says i'm looking forward to it and we're going to end with your segment on0.81
00:01:20.240whether zoomers are physically capable of enjoying themselves indeed uh the answer is no but we'll
00:01:26.100get to that well as a resident zoomer i have opinions that's that'll be interesting i will
00:01:32.760be fielding this debate and refereeing uh but first just to make everybody aware before we
00:01:37.000get into that we have the live event you probably already know about this but if you don't be there
00:01:41.760mark won't be there i don't know if that will entice you further uh but it's tomorrow at seven
00:01:48.820till 10 at the mecca in swindon it's going to be a grand old time so make sure you come along
00:01:53.280And also after this, we have Lads Hour, where we are going to be physically strapping Carl down and forcing him to watch Monty Python until he laughs.
00:02:02.380So there is a risk that we might actually have to cancel and postpone the live event tomorrow if he still hasn't laughed by then.
00:02:09.720So fingers crossed for everybody, because otherwise it might just be a big waste of everybody's time.
00:02:14.400But with that, tune in and let's get into the news.
00:05:14.640And what will be the role of our people in the future?
00:05:18.200Whereas, as you say, Reform UK, the UK with a Y project being essentially a managed liberal global economy unit with no peoples within it, really.
00:05:33.680yes uh so just recognizing our peoples is a restoration worth doing yeah this is the thing
00:05:39.060very quickly not to you know we don't have to get into all of this right now because it's a little
00:05:41.860bit high-minded but this idea of restoration is very important because the analogy that i
00:05:46.400sort of use in my own mind is one of a house and it's a house that was you know it was built it
00:05:50.940was beautiful there were people living in it and then it was allowed to fall into disrepair there's
00:05:54.380squatters living in it and the various sort of views of the different parties on that house
00:05:59.420are well they're just important to understand to understand the political landscape so the
00:06:03.540conservatives will say well no the house is still basically all right you know there's people living
00:06:07.860in it so it must be fine so keeping it the way it is right now which is decrepit and you know
00:06:12.720the windows are smashed and the door is hanging off its hinges and all the rest of it and anybody
00:06:16.900can go in and live in there and all the rest of it that's fine that's all good Labour say actually
00:06:21.720it's wrong to even suggest that there is such a thing as an ideal form of this house and this
00:06:26.120house as it is now is just as good as it was when it was built 100 years ago or whatever same very
00:06:31.000much with the Greens. The Greens think you just need to accelerate further into the decline. And
00:06:34.680actually, that's a good thing. It's a good, it's beautiful to have crackheads living in your house
00:06:38.220and squatting in your loft and everything. Whereas we are saying, and reform are saying,
00:06:42.920if we just tweak some of the things, if we put the door back on its hinges and patch up one of
00:06:47.180the windows, then everything will be fine. It's just incremental, minuscule change. Whereas
00:06:51.040Restore Britain is saying, no, there is such a thing as an ideal form of this house, of this
00:06:55.280home of this country um that we can aspire to and which we can use the uh you know the levers of
00:07:02.280power levers i should say i'm not an american um to achieve and to create and you know this country
00:07:07.660was great before and it can be great again it's just a case of having the will to do so and to
00:07:11.160recognize that that is actually possible if we want it and to entertain like uh you know larger
00:07:16.560scale sweeping actions that are required you know a complete re-envisioning of the role of the state
00:07:23.280the role of different arms of the state what services are offered you know again part of that
00:07:27.760reform uh tinkering if you will is we've got all of these different services and we will offer all
00:07:33.600of them still and restore is saying actually it's going to be difficult yeah we might have to cut
00:07:37.820some of those services away and we probably will yeah and then you're going to have to step up
00:07:42.820people are going to have to step up and even beyond that you listen to the likes of robert
00:07:45.200jenrich uh and he's committing to maintaining the independence of the bank of england and
00:07:49.820continuing to listen to the office for budget responsibility and their forecasts which have
00:07:54.400been wrong like every time every year since it's been set up in 2010 honestly bottom five every
00:07:59.060time yeah it's just it's it's absurd but they they basically do acknowledge that the system as it's
00:08:04.020currently constituted is is basically fine it just needs to be tweaked around the edges but that's
00:08:07.760not what we're saying we're saying that radical change is necessary and the vast majority of the
00:08:11.860british public agree with us in that the language here is so similar to something we covered last
00:08:15.980week there was this aris rusnos piece in unheard and he quoted from the ippr who did a sort of
00:08:21.580survey but the the language in the ippr which is a lefty think tank they were saying like oh
00:08:25.860there's alarming talk about mass deportations and they want to tear up they kind of they use
00:08:29.600like natural and they kind of write some things this principles of natural justice they can see
00:08:34.140on the left is that it's always been 1997 you know like there that's the essential thing it's
00:08:38.740like we're talking about sort of ancient you know loyalty to your kindred you know your country these
00:08:44.760kind of ancient obvious things that really no one can dispel with but they're talking as if like
00:08:50.340their thing is the absolute baseline reality i find that fascinating it's complete nonsense they
00:08:54.420do think that though they do think like that all these people think like that whether it's the
00:08:57.440conservatives or reform or the greens like they all do basically agree that this version of britain
00:09:02.080is good it's just the degrees to which it should be pursued that differs and this is the interesting
00:09:06.940about the greens by the way and i think we'll get into this uh in this segment um i've been saying
00:09:10.920a lot of things recently about the fact that the right way to approach the Greens is not to just
00:09:15.260say that they're mad and that their voters are mad. Because actually, if you speak to a lot of
00:09:19.140Green voters, they are totally normal people, especially when you speak to young Green voters
00:09:22.640under the age of 30, like me. Not that I'm a Green voter, just that I'm under the age of 30.
00:09:27.560You know, these are people who are listening to the Greens, listening to the fact that they're
00:09:30.720prepared to talk about wealth inequality, the difficulty that a lot of people have,
00:09:34.580not just young people, in buying and owning their own home outright, the way in which
00:09:39.620our economy has become completely de-industrialized we don't make anything in this country anymore
00:09:44.760and work is uninspiring um a lot of people are listening to that and thinking finally someone's
00:09:49.320someone's listening to me right and in in the diagnosis of the problems um they are the greens
00:09:54.540are basically correct but it's when it comes to the solutions that obviously there is a problem
00:09:57.960but a lot of people are i think leaning towards the greens basically as a burn it all down screw
00:10:02.720they think they're going to get free money there's that but all but also and we were discussing this
00:10:07.600earlier, and it's a point that came up in my discussion with Pete McCormack, is that the
00:10:11.900Greens are willing to call out vested interests, political and private vested interests. And the
00:10:19.120rightist response to it, if it's of a libertarian bent in the kind of way that reform does,
00:10:25.720makes it sound as though you are simply defending those vested interests, like bankers and
00:10:30.920billionaires, the conservatives are notorious for it, and for defending housing companies, etc.
00:10:35.580And so the approach to trying to win over those people is not to recycle old libertarian arguments about the necessity of billionaires and creative destruction.
00:10:45.880It's to recognize that, no, actually, the actions of billionaires as protected and involved with the political class in this country, their interests have screwed over all of the young people in this country.
00:10:59.780Anybody outside of their own class and the friends that they socialize with weekly, we have all been screwed by these people.
00:11:07.860And it's something with reform as well, is that they're not willing to acknowledge the failures of, yes, the year.
00:11:16.240Like, frankly, I'm sorry, but Brexit was a dismal failure.
00:11:25.680The people implementing Brexit, like you said, were never unclear about what they wanted from it.
00:11:32.380Ten years ago, Nigel Farage was telling everybody,0.78
00:11:35.060if we get Brexit, we get more Commonwealth wholesome black and browns in this country.
00:11:39.880So Nigel Farage, as much as he may complain about it now,0.99
00:11:43.080through the Boris wave, actually got exactly what he wanted,
00:11:46.340which was a greater variety of slave labour for vested interests.
00:11:51.220And we need to be able to call that out.
00:11:53.160And if you can't call that out, then the youth are not going to be interested in what you have
00:11:58.280to say. And this is what's unique about Restore Britain's position. We are beholden to no special
00:12:04.020interests, because for one thing, our leader is one, an elected member of parliament who answers
00:12:08.360only to his constituents, and two, is independently wealthy and has lived a life of, you know,
00:12:13.360being a businessman, has accumulated his own wealth. So he doesn't, like Rupert does not care
00:12:17.340about the status of being at these Westminster drinks parties and dinners and all the rest of
00:12:22.440it. He doesn't care about making money out of this. He donates his parliamentary salary to
00:12:25.920local charities. And so we have a leader who is, in my view, uncorruptible. He's not going to be
00:12:32.580bought off by any of these interest groups that you're talking about. And he is prepared, we are
00:12:36.640all prepared, to speak frankly about the architects of the problems that Britain currently faces,
00:12:42.340many of whom are business elites, you know, moneyed interests. Lord Wolfson, who was very
00:12:46.840eager for the Brexit vote to go through so that he would be able to get a better market for cheap
00:12:51.860leave and this is the great very quickly this is the this is the the great irony when it comes to
00:12:55.240the greens as they will complain of the of the billionaires and the capitalists destroying our
00:12:58.940society um but they will not once talk about the fact that mass immigration is the project
00:13:05.260the flagship policy of that class because it's in their interest to have as you say a massive pool
00:13:11.500of workers many of whom come from countries where they would not be able to earn anything close to1.00
00:13:15.260what they own in this country and therefore prepared to take lower wages than the natives1.00
00:13:19.320Yeah, that's a massive blind spot. I don't know why they're even like that. But one thing, though, I did actually do this on my podcast, which is available. But is there a slight difference between Rupert being a libertarian and the younger Zoomers being a bit different on economics?1.00
00:13:33.760Yeah, well, again, I mean, Rupert has libertarian instincts. That's certainly true. And I think, broadly speaking, that's a good thing because he's a believer in just the power of the British spirit, the enterprise, the ability of our people. And he believes that just needs to be unleashed because it's currently being weighed down by, you know, absolute tons of red tape and regulation and all the rest of it.1.00
00:13:52.760And so in that sense, I think he's absolutely right with his libertarian leanings. Where there is more, as we spoke about, where there is more, I think, debate within the party, it's just the extent to which the state should be involved in ameliorating some of the problems that we have economically today. Because Rupert's instincts certainly are to just allow the market to do its thing, which is a perspective I can completely understand. My view is that we are in a position that does demand more intervention from the state to kind of rectify some of the problems we have in the economy and beyond.
00:14:21.400I would say when it comes to things like control of labor through the borders and such things like that, because again, of course, the only way to do that is through state action.
00:14:29.880Yeah, that being the flagship program of the elites to keep the borders open for a variety of reasons, yes, but the business class certainly support it for the sake of cheap labor.
00:14:38.540That should be where some regulations come in.
00:14:40.880I think one of the benefits of pulling back regulation in a more libertarian manner would be helping family businesses and smaller businesses and middle class style businesses to actually get on with their lives so that our high streets are not filled with criminal enterprise.
00:14:55.760Yeah, because if you do cut immigration, the wages will go up for workers and certain sectors like hospitality might struggle.
00:15:01.920But then I suppose you're saying, well, we cut regulation and we help you out in that way.
00:43:40.440And just another mental one, we'll have a look.
00:43:42.440There's so much to learn from same-sex couples who have learned to communicate
00:43:45.200and who also are like, well, look, you know,
00:43:48.260someone's got to do the care work in a same-sex male couple someone's got to do that so
00:43:52.420i'm just gonna do it and this is like and not be afraid or ashamed because it's part of being human
00:43:57.060we're all on a spectrum right it's just how society kind of pushes pushes us and pressures
00:44:03.160us into these limiting gender roles but again it's like a 2012 talking point so we're all on
00:44:08.860a spectrum guys like a spectrum she sounds like an airhead yeah i was just gonna say like she
00:44:13.480doesn't actually sound like she knows what she's talking about she's repeating there's also this
00:44:17.260is the sort of clip that i would expect to see played on like an instagram reel just before it
00:44:21.240cuts to like two guys halfway up a mountain in a blizzard getting locked in you know that sort of
00:44:26.800thing she's also obsessed with caregiving which comes up like several times in these clips and
00:44:30.600you sort of realize at the end she just doesn't want to change it she wants gavin to change all
00:44:33.580the nappies like she's upset as if she hasn't got like a maid anyway she keeps talking about
00:44:36.960caregiving she hates the idea that a woman should care for the children she wants to make apart from1.00
00:44:40.800her nanny yeah and she wants to be the bloke this is what's up let's have a look patriarchy here0.98
00:44:45.140Trust me, I'm not a fan of Pam Bondi nor Kristi Noam, but I need to call out that it's no surprise to me that the first two prominent people pushed out of this administration were women.0.78
00:44:57.520Let me explain. The conservative women that Trump handpicks, who align themselves with an agenda that controls women, restricting our rights, limiting our autonomy and pushing us back into this straightjacket of femininity that is only in service of men.1.00
00:45:11.220there's a familiar pattern here women are brought in packaged mar-a-lago style and1.00
00:45:16.180lift it up as long as they commit to wholeheartedly serve the interests of the patriarch at the top
00:45:21.320now it looks like power she just said patriarchy seriously in and this must be recent because
00:45:26.800she's talking about pan bondi yeah yeah so like she's seriously using the word patriarchy and
00:45:30.480she sort of goes it's a very long video but she goes on to say that this is the real power guy
00:45:35.080she's basically saying it's not about left and right anymore guys she's like let's step out of
00:45:37.960it's about men versus women and men are evil oh the gender war i haven't heard that in a long time
00:45:43.340but also it's it's just like she's talking about them being pushed out for not adhering to
00:45:48.480a hierarchy in politics like all politics is exclusively hierarchy it's everyone
00:45:55.420again just on the on on the obvious dumbness of her it's just it's just buzzword buzzword buzzword
00:46:01.960buzzword i know that patriarchy people think patriarchy bad i'm talking about something i
00:46:06.200think it's bad so i'll just keep saying the word and people will assume that i'm making some kind
00:46:10.620of point all the while she's presenting herself as like the most feminine woman the most feminine
00:46:15.500airy woman yeah imagine four kids in california blonde hair and that's what i was gonna say like
00:46:20.940trad family they've got like a dynasty as well the newsome family there's so many they've had so many0.97
00:46:25.500kids and she's you know she's presenting herself in a way that's very obviously feminine she's0.95
00:46:29.540wearing makeup and everything which is all fine from my perspective but she's like pulling up the
00:46:33.260ladder damn it yeah part of me think wonders if gavin newsome is just sort of gone like okay
00:46:39.500there's the scale we all know the scale there's the hot crazy scale and he's just gone all in
00:46:46.080yeah he's just bet it all and though and he's just hoping the children will turn out oh god
00:46:50.400she's giving the kids dolls now and she's making my boys read about yeah when he sees it yeah and
00:46:55.860one thing about i totally agree she's i think she's doing it to be like a bit quirky like0.56
00:46:59.320she's the most sort of straight down the line person you know four kids normal family something
00:47:03.940she's like yeah but what you don't realize is i'm kind of like interesting i'm kind of like
00:47:06.800i care about the patriarchy and i've got kind of interesting opinions like you're just saying the
00:47:10.480same as all your brunch friends they all say this rubbish so boring anyway and she was yeah the
00:47:15.540buzzwords thing i watched all these she's like systemic deconstructing patriarch just says all
00:47:20.840these buzzwords because in lieu of an actual brain um what about this one i can't remember what this
00:47:25.160is something annoying like every problem that we have in society right now will be fixed when0.78
00:47:31.520women come together and partner with our male allies and other allies but when more women are1.00
00:47:37.580in the rooms making decisions um changing the status quo and transforming not just our culture1.00
00:47:44.400but our society and our economy i'll give you sure i mean angela merkel theresa may hillary
00:47:49.420clinton massive just in the art and just success after success when women it's literally like
00:47:54.92020 i mean that's just 2024 this is like 2014 2015 level talking points yeah someone's doing
00:48:00.900this for a decade that's what i want to know i know she's there you go 2024 so it is it is now
00:48:06.300but as you say cryogenically frozen and peak woke um this one is just funny because gavin has to sit
00:48:11.980there and just listen to it we women naturally whether we give birth or not have been socialized
01:00:40.940uh and uh and post it you know it's like someone's taking a dump in a urinal or something at a party
01:00:46.740and you're just like and someone caught that on a camera like digital actual digital camera at the
01:00:51.040time and it's like uh you're there you are mad lad um and just some nonsense like where are they now
01:00:57.960that's my where are they now right whereas zoomers have grown up in an environment where the cameras
01:01:02.240are everywhere all the time uh and so there is that sort of sense of um someone might be watching
01:01:08.880you know the panopticon is in the room um and uh just to get back to this particular thread
01:01:16.360it says uh this millennial says oh you never got taught it's not me uh i'm not working tomato thank
01:01:23.420you very much uh you'll never got taught how to have fun as an adult it's truly bizarre right now
01:01:28.120regardless of that a lot of the complaints on this thread which i see which i think where do i hang
01:01:33.640out with that won't require us to spend money right he's giving uh advices and things free
01:01:38.840concerts where do you find those i've never actually heard of them uh people go back up
01:01:44.060for a second then mike there was something interesting yeah go on that that one uh i mean
01:01:48.120this i don't know whether this is a is a uk or us uh subreddit or whatever but like you yeah
01:01:54.640walmart home depot so yeah it's american but you know the countryside being paved over and they're
01:01:59.720being like when is it i saw something about people smoking meth uh major meth smoking destination
01:02:06.260like the park in my hometown um used to be so nice and i used to go there when i was a kid
01:02:12.400and then as i was going up into my late teenage years you couldn't go there anymore certainly
01:02:16.360after sort of six o'clock because there'd just be junkies everywhere and it was just you know
01:02:21.280and that's the story for a lot of places now and i think that's another part of you know why gen
01:02:26.600zed are struggling to uh i don't know to have fun in a way that millennials think is appropriate
01:02:30.920it's not even so so it's like okay you've got this generational gap between what millennials
01:02:36.420think and i will bring up some polling data about what people of different generations notably the
01:02:41.360zoomers are absent from it at the moment but we'll that's why you're here basically aside from your0.98
01:02:45.600representation so uh you've got this idea of like nature and then you go like well nature's
01:02:51.580constantly under attack from all these different things or i live in a city and it's really
01:02:54.640difficult to get out and things like that um and but there's also this idea like you can see my
01:02:59.840buddies and i used to just hang out play board games write comedy sketches books plays songs
01:03:03.320together right but because everything is terminally online because you have access to a camera in your
01:03:08.100phone and the internet at all times there's also a sense that you kind of feel like you're wasting
01:03:11.940time if you're doing any of those pursuits purely for pleasure so it's like oh if i play board games
01:03:18.200like why am i not running a board game centric podcast with my friends and suddenly turning this
01:03:22.420into a profession or something right well that's that's that's something interesting when i've seen
01:03:26.720um that guy clavicular a clip of him where he's where people are asking like why do you film
01:03:32.360everything you do with the whole irl life streaming thing and he says it's like well why wouldn't i
01:03:38.000just monetize my entire life if you're not monetizing your entire life you're just wasting
01:03:42.240time why would i waste my time like that yeah so so there is this sort of uh you know i imagine0.99
01:03:47.660there's a lot of zoomers who are sitting around going right like okay there's all these things
01:03:51.600i kind of want to do but like any time that i am provide doing an outlay because things are so tight
01:03:57.880uh like i either is stressing me that uh stressing me out because i should be monetizing it in some
01:04:04.260way or like i'm a failure for not having done so uh or i'm uh you know it's uh i'm making a mistake
01:04:11.700basically by doing it i do also think like part of this is also a kind of dopamine hit thing because
01:04:16.860those things listed there playing board games writing comedy sketches and so on uh i mean that
01:04:22.060sounds kind of fun but i know that i wouldn't have the attention span to do a lot oh no charlie
01:04:27.040well you've got these things but they're not necessarily inherently uh competitive except
01:04:34.880maybe uh the board the board game thing i'm kind of joking by the way i do like i like i like playing
01:04:39.180but doom scrolling tick tock i was gonna say like scrabble to doom scrolling and bed rotting like
01:04:44.980that's uh you know maxing yeah that's quite an easy dopamine hit whereas all of these things are
01:04:50.720and that's that's the other thing so if i move on uh so so first i'll just give this as the example
01:04:56.420uh this is some chap who's like i built a fashion business 100k a year little loan from daddy but
01:05:03.400we won't mention that um after starting a side hustle and being a young entrepreneur oh and he's
01:05:08.620so styled that sort of thing but it's more that like that person who then has like a following
01:05:13.700on instagram or whatever who's then like dozens like him get deluged into people's feeds when
01:05:18.860they are doom scrolling uh and it's like oh right well now i'm feeling this sort of fatigue of like
01:05:25.240i'm not doing anything like that uh i should be doing my sigma grind set every day and so your
01:05:30.820your mind doesn't i just i've heard it on the internet your mind doesn't go from that to like
01:05:36.180i want to decompress now i'm going to go for like a five mile walk it goes to ah what am i doing with
01:05:42.040my life like i should be can i not uh put something together uh that's gonna make me rich so i can
01:05:47.620escape this nightmare that i'm currently living in um and uh you can see uh as well that just the
01:05:55.000price of admission for uh different letter activities just precipitously gone up you know
01:05:59.820uh it's the same for everything it's just like just going to the pub for example is like insane
01:06:03.760weirdly the united team has got worse that whole time and the money's and the price has gone up
01:06:08.420i wonder i couldn't find this data on like what the actual tickets sales were you can find lots
01:06:13.520of revenue figures but the actual number of tickets sold so you wonder how much of the price
01:06:17.680hike is uh just sort of greedy sort of scraping from sort of uh 45 year old middle-aged men or
01:06:23.740whatever uh and how much of it is the uh the fact that can i get enough people in the seats
01:06:30.540because i didn't want to say you know if suddenly football was uh booming to a level never foreseen
01:06:36.540I didn't want to say, oh, well, clearly that's where they're finding their enjoyment.
01:06:40.540But I think the price of admission has gone up.
01:06:43.620There's also a case of people, again, going back to that Reddit thread, where they're
01:06:47.380complaining about lack of access to different leisure activities.
01:06:53.100So I'll go back to these popular activities.
01:06:54.880But you get to things like swimming pools, something pretty basic.
01:06:59.720But most of it has, a lot of it's disappearing.
01:07:03.080we've lost uh four to five hundred uh swimming pool closures in the past five years uh 76 of
01:07:10.500which disappeared since 2020 so i don't swim you don't swimming one of the things is that the only
01:07:17.540people i know who go to swimming pools regularly are those who are actively focusing on it as a
01:07:22.380form of exercise or people taking their families to the swimming pool sure and as people who are
01:07:27.320younger are both poorer and less likely to have families these days then that does limit the
01:07:31.540amount of people who'd be going absolutely and the the young people are looking then for their
01:07:36.660sort of cheaper uh leisure options which are almost entirely either solo pursuits or can be
01:07:43.140done from an internet connection you know video gaming uh price per hour for video gaming way
01:07:48.700cheaper than swimming even then with what you were saying before about monetizing i'm sure a lot of
01:07:53.480them are thinking to themselves why am i just wasting my time playing video games when i could
01:07:57.540be doing a let's play or streaming and trying to monetize it well absolutely but it's more
01:08:01.860then you've got two sides of that which is there's the personality which will tend towards that
01:08:06.100uh but there's also the personality of like there's social we're social animals you know
01:08:10.260and people will play it used to be the first person shooter and now it seems to be more sort
01:08:14.040of i don't know my mind's going to things like deep rock galactic and uh hell divers 2 and things
01:08:19.600like that where there's a big uh social sort of scene where it's like you and three friends
01:08:24.600against a horde or whatever can i just say on this very quickly yeah another point here
01:08:29.280potentially i don't know about any data on this but i couldn't tell you the last time i went to
01:08:33.860a public swimming pool but something i do like to do is what is today called wild swimming we're
01:08:38.120just like swimming in rivers and in the sea and that sort of thing which is one free and two a
01:08:42.440lot more enjoyable than being in like the sterile swimming pool i can see that uh we've also sort
01:08:48.700of discovered where your like eventual scandal will come from it's like man discovered uh free
01:08:56.380swimming as he called it i'm a citizen of the river that's what he said i'm a sovereign citizen
01:09:01.560i can swim where i like sir this is polluted i do wear speedos yeah for the avoidance of
01:09:07.280i'm not naked i didn't say skinny dipping you've brought that interesting interesting
01:09:11.640uh right and then uh and then obviously swimming pools obviously somewhat niche interest but pubs
01:09:17.400closing down so 15 000 pubs in the last 25 years uh and and seemingly going down down down now
01:09:24.180obviously a lot of that is the like pubs are not willing to put the price of a pint to 15 pounds
01:09:29.940um the ones who have survived have uh put uh sort of a lot more food on the menu you know used to
01:09:36.480get a lot more sort of drinking bars and now food is where the profit margins are and soft drinks
01:09:42.440interestingly but um pubs are down over 15 000 there used to be loads of articles which came
01:09:48.080out when i was at university for instance which said no students are using the bars no no students
01:09:53.360are using the student bars i went to my student bar and it's like well the prices are more expensive
01:09:57.480than weatherspoons here yeah and uh well the supermarket has massively undercut this i mean
01:10:03.540supermarkets frankly for all of their convenience have been a complete disaster for independent
01:10:08.180businesses of all stripes because they do sell everything you find a supermarket effect in lots
01:10:13.060of towns where load of loads of independent butchers independent green grocers and such
01:10:18.380end up shutting down because people choose to go with the slightly cheaper more convenient option
01:10:22.580so i don't really like supermarkets in towns most of the time because of that effect especially
01:10:28.180small towns but also yeah pubs are expensive i still try and frequent my locals and go to the
01:10:36.100pub maybe once a week with my friends in town but there was a music festival in my town recently
01:10:41.940where most of the pubs were still relatively reasonable a lot more expensive than they used
01:10:47.360to be but relatively reasonable and then my friend happened to be playing in the one bar
01:10:52.140where say a a double whiskey and coke would be like i don't know seven pound fifty eight pound
01:10:58.800in most of the other pubs i managed to he managed to be playing in the one place where it was over
01:11:02.60012 pounds i mean that's for a double cocktail prices and so i was i was there like you are
01:11:08.420lucky that i really want to see you play well it's just uh it's a question of the spaces where
01:11:15.940people do their leisure you know i'm not even saying that this is an effect that has happened
01:11:21.560due to a decline in attendance for whatever reason now i'm putting it down to a lack of funds uh but
01:11:27.760there's also as i say it's the convenience is king and always will be and if you have access to uh
01:11:33.380you know a machine that can uh provide a social experience in quotes um by not having to leave
01:11:40.920your house a lot of people will be keen on that but it's not even like when i was a kid and if
01:11:44.760you wanted to play multiplayer with people you all got together right because it was split screen or
01:11:49.780or whatever at home or you took turns but now but now it's all uh it's all this remote stuff and so
01:11:56.580you see this additional factor which is that loneliness is just massively increasing so we're
01:12:02.900more interconnected than ever uh but we're suddenly like the loneliest generation is the1.00
01:12:08.920zuma generation well it is because of all of the surrogate activities which are on offer you can1.00
01:12:14.240get any of the any of the different social aspects of life catered to you now from inside your own0.99
01:12:20.220home oftentimes within your own bedroom and you never actually have to step outside and there is
01:12:24.560a cumulative effect because you get social isolation because you spend all day playing
01:12:28.840and playing video games. A lot of people will substitute romantic activities and sexual
01:12:34.760activities for pornography and things along those lines. Romantic activities as AI chatbots are
01:12:40.980becoming a thing and people are starting to fall in love with AI chatbots. That might become more
01:12:45.420of a problem as the technology becomes more available and develops. And then added on top
01:12:50.140of that if you spend all day at home getting no sunshine you're probably eating like shit
01:12:54.920and then you're um you're not exercising at all you're incredibly sedentary your hormones will
01:13:01.320mess up as well if you're a man your testosterone will probably crater which will lead to depression
01:13:06.720and lead to you not wanting to go outside even more and sinking even more into those surrogate
01:13:12.600activities so it will be it will be a sort of a compounding effect that happens with it all
01:13:18.560but it's what i'm really trying to get at as well is just that what is leisure then if this is
01:13:25.240actively causing people distress right this cycle of behaviors which are ostensibly made of things
01:13:31.820which are designed to hit your dopamine that's also a concept that we're thinking of you you
01:13:36.080used to do things because you enjoy doing them right and you didn't think about like what
01:13:40.100particular chemical imbalance it was going to cause in in your favor or not that's the
01:13:44.680the medicalization of society which comes in but then your mind is then thinking in these terms
01:13:50.900all the time this idea of uh it is a your own medical condition and whether you need therapy
01:13:56.880today or not because you haven't been able to see your friends and in the same way as you say
01:14:01.240you outsource all these social uh activities to uh the machine essentially right whatever app is
01:14:08.800trying to profit from you then you get to the point where uh like what is leisure like as a
01:14:14.900concept to you right like is it this thing which you're actually doing for fun or is it just the
01:14:19.280thing that sort of staves off the void to fill the time before you have to work again um and i think
01:14:26.000it's a very it's actually quite an important question of how do we help people to or not we
01:14:33.580necessarily as a a group of lads here but more as a as a society how do we help incentivize people to
01:14:40.720uh do things which are going to be much more beneficial for i mean to be fair as an as an
01:14:45.320individual involved with basket weavers you do actually try to help people with this kind of
01:14:49.500thing well yes uh it's funny you should mention the basket weavers uh the basket weavers is a
01:14:53.840social club for people of our particular political bent uh so basket we exist
01:14:58.760i thought oak not hate said fascist sensible center uh so basket weavers uh is a community
01:15:07.060building service uh which is basically all about we've been in operation for for yonks now i'm a
01:15:12.200an ardent supporter of theirs although i don't run it directly uh you can also find them on
01:15:17.960x at bw.net as the uh as the account handle but essentially it's all about getting people together
01:15:25.260and to do things in real life to help you build your network and your community one of the points
01:15:30.880that i didn't really come on to earlier was the fact that doing things outside and doing things
01:15:35.860in a group together is the opportunity for spontaneity in a way in which your curated
01:15:41.220experience of choosing which game to play for instance at home doesn't exist and so the the
01:15:47.340networking opportunities that you'll have right which is a very corporatized way of putting it
01:15:51.240but like basically if you want to find some more friends you've got to be in places where you can
01:15:55.140find friends uh if you want to uh uh make connections within a particular niche interest
01:16:02.540you know everything from warhammer 40k up to uh uh you know some sort of extreme sport i don't
01:16:09.260know snowboarding or something then you need to be in the places where those are done and and people
01:16:14.600only really seem to be going out to those places where the the niche interest demands it but i'm
01:16:20.800just saying you can go out and about and explore things with your friends and it doesn't necessarily
01:16:25.540need to be that direct plan or that direct thing that you're playing uh you can just have fun oh i
01:16:31.120will say as a gentleman who enjoys video games i i i think moderation yeah all in moderation
01:16:38.340just to make sure we're not just hammering video games as an activity because i also think there's
01:16:42.720a lot of artistry to the creation of them so of course certain ones you could also basket weavers
01:16:48.160recapture the golden age all of you get together the basket weaver's land party get yourselves an
01:16:56.460xbox 360 halo 3 oh yes let's get on the sofa together have fun like that the real goal i mean
01:17:03.500i'm old but the real golden age is is golden eye on the n64 four player you can do that license to
01:17:08.220kill one shot kills there's a cx in every town infinite infinite distance grappling hook yes
01:17:14.240there is another option which is commit yourself to the political struggle of course yes written
01:17:19.560which is what i would recommend personally all of these things to be fair yeah my my my prevailing
01:17:25.320wisdom is land party my prevailing wisdom as always is is to get out there and try something
01:17:30.780new and break that bubble and that mold and if you're part of these people who say like everything's
01:17:35.860too expensive there are options out there for you the basket weavers will help arrange things with
01:17:39.980you uh and so on you know uh say there's this uh split in gen z i don't want to make it all
01:17:45.540negative gen z is opting for a different kind of holiday we're all broken we're not doing shagaloof
01:17:49.680so instead uh people going out on on holiday apparently this woman really loves cows but um
01:17:56.380they look lovely they do they do look lovely she is doing a wojack pose which is in the lakes my
01:18:02.420home is there it's more charming when it's done for hey look at these lovely cows than it is for
01:18:07.320look at my nintendo switch or look at this fake chicken sure absolutely i'm trying to be
01:18:15.120i'm trying to be hopeful mark i thought that's what this was about it's all about being positive
01:18:21.140and hopeful harry just only problem is it says lake windermere which many argue is a tautology
01:18:25.480because mia means lake that's why i went to school it's lake winder lake yes i see nice
01:18:31.000that's based so it's like the river avon is uh the river river um he does not matter put the
01:18:37.660lake whoever wrote this is probably a zoomer so uh yeah uh i think my segment's basically
01:18:44.620i do i've got one other thing to add yeah shameless like self plug here so i wrote an
01:18:49.480article earlier this year for the catholic herald because i'm a catholic um your shame titled well
01:18:54.700titled self-improvement is not salvation and it was basically reacting to a series of stories
01:19:01.760that came out around the beginning of the year saying that the new year's resolutions of gen z
01:19:06.680are very different to those of their parents so it's less your kind of fad diets and that kind
01:19:12.220of thing and more kind of ice baths and mindfulness and meditation and all this kind of thing
01:19:17.080manifestations yeah but what the case that i made in this article was as somebody who uh especially
01:19:23.840during covid pursued a lot of those kinds of things like i chose to use the sort of lockdown
01:19:28.340period to sort of lift weights all the time i did the carnivore diet i sort of did my had a go at
01:19:34.060meditating and all that kind of thing um what i quickly came to realize was that way of living
01:19:39.620is at once better than the alternative that's offered to us because in i mean for me personally
01:19:43.900there's certainly two sides to my personality one is the kind of self-improvement working out you
01:19:49.180know kind of go-getting side but the other side is the kind of sit around and smoke weed and play
01:19:53.520video games type side which you know i i did my fair share of when i was younger and i've sort of
01:19:59.440put that all away now but it's certainly you know i think that's part of all zoomers experience is0.87
01:20:04.360living that way at least for a certain time and uh realizing that it's terrible and then there's1.00
01:20:08.660no way to live we were discussing this earlier yes yes we were um so so you know those are the0.99
01:20:12.780those are kind of presented as being the two options that zoomers have so you can either go
01:20:16.480down the kind of self-improvement route which at its very best i kind of think of like jordan
01:20:21.580peterson 12 rules for life back in the kind of sort of 2016 2018 kind of era when he was really
01:20:27.200at his peak before he became whatever yeah yeah whatever he is now which is very sad i think um
01:20:33.240but that kind of self-improvement where it is about you know building yourself up and turning
01:20:36.920yourself into somebody that can be relied upon turning yourself into somebody serious that's
01:20:41.060fantastic and it's better than just being a degenerate and a hedonist for sure um but even
01:20:46.120that is not a source of meaning ultimately even that runs dry as a source of meaning and this
01:20:51.300was the case that i made in my article was that can sustain you for even years you know if you do
01:20:56.320like the kind of waking up at six in the morning and working out and running and doing sports and
01:21:00.780eating a really regimented diet and counting your calories and doing you know meditation and all of
01:21:05.940these kinds of things that's all good stuff um and it's better than just being as i say completely
01:21:10.240unregulated in your life but ultimately you will find that on the other side of that is still
01:21:14.960nothingness it's still like meaninglessness it has to ultimately be towards an end it can't be
01:21:19.580an end in and of itself yeah and what you realize i mean what i realized in my experience was all of
01:21:25.080those things that i was doing were typologies of essentially living a religious life so meditation
01:21:30.880and mindfulness is basically just uh it's prayer without god and going and the uh you know like
01:21:36.680fasting was another one of these uh new year's resolutions that a lot of gen z committed to and
01:21:40.740that's obviously a practice associated with basically every religion i was going to say
01:21:45.460Isn't the whole self-help movement in America basically a sort of denomination of Protestant evangelism?
01:21:52.620That's basically the point I made, was a lot of these practices that Gen Z are organically rediscovering in their search for meaning are essentially religious in nature.
01:22:01.860And so the solution to what we're talking about here, that I would propose, is a recognition of the fact that all of this that exists around us is not just coincidental.