The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1396

00:00:00.000 good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1396 i'm your host harry not

00:00:07.340 exhausted today joined by josh who i'm actually very well rested for a change glad to hear it

00:00:13.300 and uh stelios who was uh was a splitter and didn't even come to the event on on the weekend

00:00:18.440 i told you man i had to be somewhere to be somewhere i had to do some mission impossible

00:00:23.940 hijinks yeah somewhere tom cruise in the flesh maybe something related to kit kat yes stelios

00:00:29.680 I've noticed you have a lot of Kit Kats in your pocket at the minute. 0.66

00:00:34.200 Don't stop noticing, Josh.

00:00:36.200 Well, we'll get more into that along with the rest of the news.

00:00:37.980 What do you notice?

00:00:39.300 When today we'll be discussing Hungary's election and the implications of Orban's defeat.

00:00:44.400 Will it be positive? Will it be negative? Is this going to crush Europe?

00:00:47.500 How will this change Europe? Very interested to find out.

00:00:50.500 I'm going to be asking whether Woke is dead or simply lying in wait,

00:00:54.620 given some of the recent developments with shows like Malcolm in the Middle, Euphoria,

00:00:59.040 and the boys which has had quite a catastrophic turn against it quite recently and Stelios is

00:01:04.800 going to tell us how 12 tons of Kit Kat simply vanishes yeah I'm very excited now we know what

00:01:11.140 you're up to at the weekend I had to hide them in my belly we'll talk about that because I'll get

00:01:18.680 I'll talk to you about the merchandise analytically oh all right this is going to be a very serious

00:01:25.220 podcasts and very serious segments. So let's get straight into it. So the person you're looking at

00:01:31.440 on screen at the minute is Viktor Orban and his party Fidesz had been in power for the past 16

00:01:37.400 years. He'd won four consecutive elections since 2010 and now he's lost power to the new Tissa

00:01:43.060 party which only popped up about two years ago. And this election is actually significant not

00:01:49.080 just for Hungary, considering this is a pretty significant change, you know, the same party has

00:01:55.860 been ruling for 16 years, but the rest of Europe, because the person who's taking over from him is

00:02:00.600 going to be much more pro-European, but with some caveats. There's actually a lot of nuance here

00:02:05.360 that lots and lots of people have missed. And thankfully, last month, I spent a week in Hungary

00:02:12.540 on a press tour. And so I got to meet lots of government ministers and talk to lots of people,

00:02:17.140 think tanks and just people on the street to figure out what they thought and it's given me

00:02:22.220 a very good impression of people's attitudes in the country I would like to think and giving me 1.00

00:02:28.860 a bit more of a nuanced view than some of the slop I have seen online that is saying you know 0.75

00:02:34.200 it's over it's terrible. Hungary has fallen. Yes and things like that. Not just Hungary the west

00:02:40.060 has fallen. You would expect now that, you know, it's someone like Kamala at best, if you just

00:02:49.140 check X. Oh, it's so disproportionate. So yes, obviously, Orban's been a notable opponent of

00:02:58.220 the EU's agenda for some time. And the newly elected Peter Magyar was originally in Orban's

00:03:04.900 party. And in many areas, he seems to at least outwardly hold the same opinions and positions,

00:03:11.440 and we'll have to look at it with a bit of nuance before untangling it. But he's certainly more

00:03:17.260 favourable towards working with the EU. And considering Orban's government was a bit of a

00:03:22.240 thorn in the side of the EU, it will make things easier for the EU to do what it wants, which

00:03:27.480 I think from the perspective of, you know, the right, that's not necessarily a good thing.

00:03:33.280 And so there are some important distinctions here, because Hungary was blocking many of the excesses, like the EU wants to throw lots and lots of money at Ukraine that Orban was blocking, for example.

00:03:46.280 But we'll get to all of this later. I just wanted to talk about what Orban had done in his past 16 years.

00:03:52.820 There has been no mass migration to Hungary. I've got an article talking about this that's going to be coming out on the website soon.

00:03:59.500 but it's very noticeable in the capital. You feel safe. It's basically just Europeans in the

00:04:08.380 capital. I saw maybe two people who weren't European who were on bicycles delivering food

00:04:15.140 and I asked about this and this was they have a temporary visa scheme whereby they can only be

00:04:22.080 there for one or two years and then they get sent home with no exceptions. It's not a route to

00:04:25.620 citizenship. And I've actually heard that Peter Magyar, the guy who's going to become Prime

00:04:30.900 Minister, has pushed back against even this, which I think is a good idea. Whether he can do that or

00:04:36.500 not is a different thing. Well, I mean, what you were talking about there, the two greatest signs

00:04:42.060 of the effects and penetration of mass migration into any country, or at least the starting signs

00:04:46.860 of it, should be really recognised as the delivery drivers and corner shops as well. I did see one

00:04:53.100 to um african food shops and a turkish barber but it was very limited um so it wasn't to the

00:05:00.420 point where it pervades every aspect of society like in britain but it was present and it did

00:05:05.560 suggest that more action is needed in my mind um one thing that has been done though is um i was

00:05:12.320 told by the person in charge of the border that they had blocked over a million illegals in the

00:05:17.600 past seven years at their border because they just do not let people in. And the EU is very

00:05:22.300 much against this. In fact, Hungary has refused the EU's refugee settlement scheme, and they're

00:05:29.200 fined 1 million euros a day for this by the EU, and it's deducted from some of the money that

00:05:34.380 they would otherwise receive. And if Magyar wants to get favourable relations with the EU, this is

00:05:40.680 obviously going to be something that they're going to try and push on them. However, they do have,

00:05:44.940 I think about 65,000 Ukrainians because they border Ukraine, but also they don't give weapons

00:05:51.280 to Ukraine. They just give aid because actually the Ukrainians have been basically persecuting 0.75

00:05:58.780 the Hungarian minority because there's a large Hungarian diaspora because after World War I,

00:06:05.800 the Treaty of Trianon imposed on the opposing side by the Allies gave about two thirds of the

00:06:11.160 country's territory to surrounding countries and that included some Hungarians in Ukraine and the

00:06:16.340 same legislation that persecuted the ethnic Russians in Ukraine either intentionally or

00:06:22.540 most likely unintentionally affected the Hungarians as well and the Fidesz party and many Hungarians

00:06:30.440 as well are quite interested in reuniting with their diaspora because obviously there's lots

00:06:35.240 of Hungarians outside of their borders and in fact one thing that they've been very good at

00:06:39.560 is having special routes to citizenship for ethnic hungarians and so actually they've seen

00:06:44.440 more hungarians coming into the country than have been leaving and so they see this as not only

00:06:50.360 a way to grow the population without having to rely on mass migration but there are also some

00:06:57.020 other things i'll get into but sorry stone outside i just wanted to say that this is the

00:07:00.680 hungarian perspective on this or orban's perspective on this because if you listen to other

00:07:05.440 people from their neighbouring countries, like the Romanians, they're constantly saying, well,

00:07:09.860 there is Hungarian minority here, and we are fine. And just Orban constantly comes along 0.96

00:07:15.320 and says how we are oppressing them. So not just throwing that to the mix as well.

00:07:20.040 There might be, you know, some degree of exaggerating it for political ends. But I

00:07:25.260 think the Romanians are a little bit better than the Ukrainians dealing with their minority. And 1.00

00:07:30.140 I know that the Poles, especially, they're very favourable with Hungary, and they've got a sort

00:07:34.360 of positive relationship with one another. But yes, they also have things like tax breaks and

00:07:40.040 loans to encourage families to have children. So if you have four children by the age of 40 and

00:07:46.140 you're a woman, you will never have to pay tax again. And also they give loans that are equivalent 0.82

00:07:50.960 to about, I think, 25,000 euros to buy basically your first home to raise a family. And there's

00:07:58.300 been noticeable effects on the birth rate as well as the fact that I think that this helps. I think

00:08:02.500 this is one way to approach the problem. And it's certainly better than our situation in Britain,

00:08:07.300 but I think there are also other ways. I think it's probably better just to reduce the cost of

00:08:11.420 living as much as possible and let people pay their own way through things rather than having

00:08:15.980 to redistribute money. But it's still better than a lot of Western Europe, that's for sure.

00:08:22.680 Also, all band-banned pride parades, and this is something that Magyar has announced he will

00:08:27.860 um reverse he said that everyone will have the freedom of association um and so that presumably

00:08:34.180 means that pride parades are back on the menu in hungary so this may have an incoming taka podcast

00:08:39.760 saying it's just to push gay marriage in hungary i mean would that not be correct no how would it

00:08:47.360 not be correct if you're allowing because it is because it isn't the only thing that one may want

00:08:51.900 from a new government okay but that would be that would definitely be one of the effects if that's

00:08:58.100 what he's uh if that what he said he's going to do it could also explain why elections aren't

00:09:02.840 about elections aren't just one issue elections but there have obviously considering that they

00:09:09.340 lost and the tisa party have won with a two-thirds majority which is actually not that uncommon in

00:09:14.860 the hungarian system just by the way it works there have been a series of problems so one of

00:09:20.420 the main things that everyone even the government ministers have brought up when I was talking to

00:09:24.600 them was that they've been ruling since 2010 people just have an appetite for change it's a long time

00:09:29.520 and so um oh looks like my uh article is up there actually um so yes I've actually uh got an article

00:09:38.120 talking about my experiences here Joshua radicalized you it was hungry it was just walking around the

00:09:44.860 streets and realizing how safe and at ease everyone was. I was just talking, it's a very

00:09:50.380 subjective sort of personal thing. So please do check that out. But basically, they're very

00:09:56.640 dependent, they were very dependent on cheap Russian energy. And obviously, when the conflict

00:10:00.260 in Ukraine went on, and also Ukraine shut off their pipeline to Hungary, it pushed up the cost

00:10:05.960 of energy massively. That was something that was brought up constantly by people. And the cost of

00:10:11.540 Living's gone up massively, economic growth has slowed, and this has affected lots of people.

00:10:16.100 And obviously, this is something that affects elections.

00:10:18.780 And I understand why people would want a change considering these hardships.

00:10:22.840 I think that that's reasonable.

00:10:24.860 When you've been in power as a party for 16 years, it makes sense that you're accountable for those things.

00:10:32.620 Even though there are externalities, there were things that they could have done to soften these.

00:10:37.520 If you're very dependent on one country that you're also not very friendly with diplomatically, historically speaking, for energy, that is a bad thing to do.

00:10:47.700 Yeah, it's like what the Germans did with Angela Merkel.

00:10:51.380 One of the interesting things here, there are two interesting things.

00:10:54.620 Number one, it seems that for a long time, lots of, let's say, right-wingers were just focused on economics and they just gave economic arguments.

00:11:04.880 And Orban is doing the exact opposite.

00:11:06.580 it he was playing the traditionalist card but uh and you know with some sense but he forgot economics

00:11:15.020 so perhaps there's a lesson there do not forget economics however tired you are of this it is a

00:11:20.120 very important thing and it's something that everyone feels isn't it and if you are getting

00:11:24.240 poor if you're pinching pennies more and more that's an obvious thing that affects your vote

00:11:29.280 at the ballot box and so um particularly um with things like corruption as well as they're also

00:11:35.080 talking about the quality of health care. But the corruption thing was a really big thing,

00:11:39.340 actually. And, you know, obviously, take these sorts of things with a pinch of salt. But I

00:11:45.680 actually think there's probably some truth to it. This is an article from Politico. Hungary

00:11:50.820 is seen as most corrupt country in the EU. And yeah, there are instances of obvious corruption

00:11:56.820 visible. Obviously, there's an incentive for the EU to paint them as corrupt because they're a bit

00:12:01.820 of a fawn in their side. And there's also an attempt to paint him as a dictator because he's 0.58

00:12:09.500 filled the branches of government with people that are favourable to him, but they're saying

00:12:13.920 that because they're not favourable to them. They don't say, for example, Zelensky is a dictator,

00:12:18.800 even though he's arrested his opposition and he's entrenched in power. Of course,

00:12:22.940 they're in a war, so it's slightly different, but still. But he did step down peacefully and

00:12:27.740 congratulated Peter Magyar pretty early on in the election night. So he stepped down gracefully,

00:12:33.260 so I don't think he's a dictator. So that seemed a little bit unfair. However, one thing that

00:12:40.500 you don't want if you're trying to avoid allegations of corruption is raiding the

00:12:45.780 anti-corruption chief's office. And it was for petty things like...

00:12:53.120 What if he is corrupt? What if he's the corrupt one?

00:12:55.280 It is possible, that is true.

00:12:56.800 He is literally in charge of corruption in the country, so it makes sense.

00:13:00.700 So things like lending his official car to his wife to go shopping,

00:13:04.860 which in the grand scheme of things, does that really require a raid?

00:13:08.760 I don't think so.

00:13:10.380 But one of the biggest things that is indisputable,

00:13:14.900 and even many government ministers admitted to me,

00:13:17.420 yeah, this was a big mistake, was this massive scandal.

00:13:21.600 So in 2024, it came to light that a man convicted of covering up the sexual abuse of minors in a children's home was pardoned by then-Hungarian President Caitlin Novak, who was a close Orban ally, basically just, you know, checking off.

00:13:36.660 And that's despicable.

00:13:37.960 Yeah.

00:13:38.880 So this led to the resignation of Novak and a lady called Judith Varga, who served as justice minister in the Orban government at the time.

00:13:47.940 and Varga just so happens to be the new prime minister's ex-wife. So let's get on to him,

00:13:53.800 shall we? Here he is. This is Peter Magyar. So when this happened, he resigned from his position

00:13:59.200 he held at two state-run companies and a state-owned bank. And then in a Facebook post,

00:14:04.520 he accused the party leadership, which by the way, he'd been a member of the party for 20 years.

00:14:09.940 He's working for state-run companies and state-owned banks as well, as hiding behind

00:14:16.220 women's skirts because the president and his ex-wife are women and they were basically 0.51

00:14:21.720 scapegoating them for a failure of the government. He was suggesting that it came from the top 0.96

00:14:26.180 that this was happening because, of course, it's not a good look to have a large-scale

00:14:30.140 child abuse scandal if you're a traditional family-based party.

00:14:34.580 I think for any party.

00:14:37.140 Yes, but it's particularly bad.

00:14:39.240 You don't have to conditionalise it, Josh.

00:14:41.400 so one interesting thing about him is he also released a secret recording of his then wife

00:14:49.600 before they got divorced of her admitting that the government had edited official documents as

00:14:54.580 part of a corruption investigation which is her admitting corruption but at the time they were

00:14:59.520 married and they had have three children together and it's sort of an interesting aspect of his

00:15:04.520 character sure he was exposing corruption but also it's secretly recording his then wife yes

00:15:10.460 No wonder they got divorced.

00:15:11.780 Yeah, I'm not surprised.

00:15:13.380 And I've also heard rumours about other things,

00:15:15.360 but I'm not going to get into that because it's all sort of hearsay.

00:15:18.020 But it is interesting as well that the PIS party in Poland

00:15:21.500 also got ousted after a lot of corruption scandals with them,

00:15:25.780 particularly when they put themselves across as such an anti-migration party

00:15:29.500 and one of the corruptions was that they were essentially selling visas

00:15:32.800 to get into Europe on the coast of North Africa.

00:15:37.040 Yeah, that's obvious corruption, isn't it?

00:15:39.040 Yeah, it's an interesting correlation that we have at least two high-profile cases of these populist parties within Europe behaving this way now.

00:15:46.680 Yeah, and I think that actually corruption, you know, closer to the east of Europe and parts of Central Europe is a lot more common.

00:15:54.180 It's not surprising, sadly.

00:15:55.160 No, and of course in Britain, for example, we have legalised our corruption and so we're not exactly washing our hands of it and judging you, it's just that we have a different kind.

00:16:05.540 But it is worth mentioning that his ex-wife, understandably bitter, calls him a traitor

00:16:10.240 and stands by her comments that he's a domestic abuser and blackmailed her.

00:16:16.980 So there are some questions about his character.

00:16:20.480 There are some other ones that are a bit more gossipy that I thought for the sake of decency I wouldn't include.

00:16:25.680 But they are out there if you want to look for them.

00:16:29.620 But let's have a look at what he actually believes, shall we?

00:16:33.120 One thing, Josh, sorry, before you start, his name helps. It's like the equivalent of being called Peter English.

00:16:40.480 I know, I was thinking that before I came on. Magyar is the name of the Hungarian people, isn't it?

00:16:46.340 And it was, you know, how the country was referred to for a long time.

00:16:49.580 So part of what he was doing, because he oversaw basically an anti-Orban coalition that included some people on the left, just anyone who would oppose Orban,

00:16:57.680 He kept a lot of opinions to himself to keep this disparate coalition together. And also, if you're just saying, listen, I'm basically Orbán minus the corruption, and I'm a bit more pro-European, a bit more anti-Russia, that does appeal to Hungarian voters. And obviously it does because they want a two-thirds majority.

00:17:16.540 so a lot of things um are subject to speculation to a degree that isn't necessarily normal but he

00:17:23.000 played his cards close to his chest um but he identifies as a pro-european conservative liberal

00:17:28.760 if that makes any sense um all the buzzwords at once the thing here is that lots of people were

00:17:35.120 very annoyed with who was happy about it yeah they said the soros was happy about it yes you

00:17:41.940 von der Leyen was happy about it. I think that's more because he's pro-European. He's not going to

00:17:48.260 be as much of a fawn in the side as Orban was. Although there are some things that he said will 0.75

00:17:53.840 be sticking points with the EU. So it's not entirely that much. And it's also worth mentioning

00:17:58.240 as well that in a lot of countries, particularly third world countries, they use anti-corruption as

00:18:03.720 an excuse to purge opponents and then install their own friends, which is a form of corruption,

00:18:08.980 ironically. So that's worth bearing in mind. We've got to see how this plays out, whether he's

00:18:13.320 actually genuine about removing corruption and having a more transparent system or not.

00:18:18.800 But he does have a two-thirds majority, so he can legitimately change the constitution and undo

00:18:24.960 Orban's legacy if he so wishes. He's also announced his intention to have a two-term limit for

00:18:30.860 prime ministers, although this doesn't apply retroactively. And so Orban still could, in

00:18:36.220 in theory, win two terms following that. But I think that it's a response to him dominating

00:18:41.240 politics for four elections. You know, you make of that what you will. But I've got some direct

00:18:46.580 quotes here about his sort of anti-corruption measures. We will do everything to restore the

00:18:52.460 rule of law, plural democracy, and the system of checks and balances. A government's job is to

00:18:57.120 ensure the independence of the judiciary, the independence of the investigative authorities,

00:19:01.640 to provide all possible financial and other resources to carry out their tasks. And I think

00:19:06.740 that this is mainly directed at the EU because the EU was objecting to the fact that Hungary wasn't

00:19:11.460 very transparent about the way it spent its money, which is part of the reason that the EU is

00:19:16.020 withholding it. And so he's signalling, listen, I'm trying to fix it. So pay me that money

00:19:19.880 because they've got about 35 billion, I think, euros frozen from the EU. And also another

00:19:29.320 important quote is, we choose the Hungarian people. We don't want immigrants. And it's been 1.00

00:19:36.040 reported that he wants to get rid of the one to two year work visas, mostly used by Indians and

00:19:40.460 Filipinos. I was very surprised when I was in the queue to the country. And there were lots of

00:19:44.320 Filipinos there. I was like, what are they doing here? Is this like a holiday tour? But no, it's 1.00

00:19:49.120 guest workers coming to the country. But he wants to do away with that. And in fact, 1.00

00:19:54.100 uh with echoes of trump he suggested that the filipino workers living in hotels in budapest

00:20:02.180 um were eating the ducks and the goldfish from the zoos um which um i can believe it

00:20:10.520 i i don't know about this i haven't seen any evidence of it but it seems to suggest that

00:20:16.440 did you follow any of those filipinos did you see what you were eating josh i saw a few goldfish

00:20:21.120 tails hanging out their mouth but we can't presume that they were all right the the goldfish might

00:20:25.240 have jumped in there it's possible maybe they were saving the goldfish in their mouth from drowning

00:20:29.860 you know it's entirely possible um but yes um this seems to suggest that he's serious but again

00:20:36.780 will the eu and his own party allow him to do this of course his party is a coalition of people

00:20:42.440 opposing orban which means that there'll be more left-wing people in there than perhaps himself

00:20:47.640 And so I don't know whether he's going to do this, but we'll have to see.

00:20:52.660 There's a lot of things that are sort of up in the air.

00:20:56.480 But on the EU, one thing he has said since winning is he wants to bring back EU funding to improve the economy,

00:21:04.880 but doesn't support fast-tracking ascension to the EU of Ukraine,

00:21:08.120 and that Hungary should opt out of the 90 billion loan to Ukraine as Hungary is in a difficult financial situation.

00:21:14.740 so i don't think the eu would be too happy about this but at the same time i think there's still

00:21:21.260 wiggle room there for them to have a more favorable relationship than orban if you actually

00:21:26.220 negotiate with the eu a deal that has some clauses that helps you you can actually make it that's

00:21:34.120 what happened with denmark and that's one of the secrets of of danish relative baseness

00:21:39.440 for European standards.

00:21:41.160 They didn't sign the Maastricht Treaty in 1992

00:21:44.200 and they opt for several specific clauses for themselves.

00:21:47.960 So he can be pro-EU, but also pro-Hangory

00:21:51.720 if he plays his cards well.

00:21:54.320 That is true.

00:21:55.240 And even people in Fidesz said,

00:21:57.880 listen, we like the EU, we don't want to leave it.

00:22:00.600 We agree with 95% of what they do.

00:22:02.520 It's just that 5% that's particularly objectionable to us.

00:22:05.400 We're not going to break the deal for that 5%. 1.00

00:22:07.440 Come on.

00:22:08.040 Yeah, that's basically what they were saying. And then he was talking about Russian oil, which, of course, was a point of contention. And they say, he says, Russia stays here, Hungary stays here, we'll do everything for diversification. But this does not mean we will decouple. We'll always get oil as cheaply and as safely as possible, which was basically Fidesz's position, which had Orban described as a Russian ally, perhaps unfairly, in my opinion, because I actually spoke at length about the energy situation with many government ministers.

00:22:35.240 And they were just like, we've just got to be pragmatic about it. You know, Russia's not going anywhere. And it's better that we have a deal where we get cheap energy out of it than being adversarial and have expensive energy. And they're just like, yeah, it's not ideal. Obviously, we're not friends of Moscow, considering how they ruled over us. But at the same time, we've got to make the best of a bad situation, which I thought was quite pragmatic and quite reasonable relative to the more ideological things.

00:23:00.240 And in fact, I've got a quote in the article I wrote talking about how Europe doesn't have the luxury at the minute of being ideological.

00:23:08.880 We're not in a situation. We're basically living off of our prior greatness, which I think is a good way of putting it, really.

00:23:17.940 And then the final thing I wanted to look at before I wrap up here is just the state of parliament here.

00:23:23.020 So, obviously, the TISA party, this is from the Telegraph, to give a correct source, and I think it's a little bit provisional. There's also the people in the provinces outside of Hungary, so the Hungarian minority areas in other countries, also get a vote as well, which take a little bit of a while to come in.

00:23:42.260 But it's looking like they've got roughly this two-thirds majority, as far as I'm aware, and then Fidesz still has 55 seats in there, and then the Our Country movement there, which is described as the far right, has six.

00:23:57.200 So in theory, at least, all the leaders of the parliamentary parties in Hungary are right-wing.

00:24:03.060 Yeah, there don't seem to be communists there.

00:24:06.540 No, there doesn't seem to be any explicitly left-wing party in their parliament whatsoever, which is a refreshing thing to see. But of course, it's not that surprising, given their experiences with the Soviet Union, that they're a little bit more resistant to this sort of thing than, say, France, Britain and the like.

00:24:26.320 And so that is my summary.

00:24:28.660 I think a lot of this will just have to be witnessed for ourselves because, of course, he kept his cards close to his chest.

00:24:35.640 It's not clear the direction of the country, but we'll just have to wait and see.

00:24:41.760 All right, then we've got a few rumble rants in during that one.

00:24:45.560 Bold Eagle says, me suspects that the EU heavily got involved in the Hungary's election to have a favorable outcome for the EU.

00:24:52.840 I don't think it was actually necessary.

00:24:54.660 I think that the conditions were already ripe for a change of government. 0.84

00:24:59.120 And I think that actually from a lot of people I spoke to, they expected it to be a close race.

00:25:04.240 Even government minister said, listen, this is going to be a tough one to win for us.

00:25:09.020 We're not that popular at the minute.

00:25:11.100 And so I don't think that's needed.

00:25:13.560 I think that it would have happened either way, personally.

00:25:16.840 Sigilstone17, uh-oh, pictures of Hungary's new prime minister wearing the hat at the temple.

00:25:23.220 Well, I mean, there's no change in policy there.

00:25:27.160 Orban was pictured at the wall, so this is just part of Hungarian politics.

00:25:31.520 There are a lot more pro-Israel and pro-America in Hungary.

00:25:35.480 That's a random name. 0.91

00:25:36.800 If it's anything like Montreal, these pride parades will involve naked perverts 0.88

00:25:40.360 gallivanting and enjoying one another in public. 0.99

00:25:42.500 Very, I can't say that. 0.98

00:25:44.960 I mean, that is literally what a pride parade is.

00:25:48.260 So that is one of the concerns. 0.87

00:25:50.720 if they do open up policy to allow for those kinds of things, that is part of the societal

00:25:57.440 acid that burns away at family formation, if you allow that kind of subversion in public.

00:26:03.620 I agree. Also, Josh, there's another thing. Have you finished with the comments? Yes.

00:26:08.480 Good, because there's one thing I want to say, because I remember this from the elections of

00:26:12.880 Romania. There is a tendency for people who don't follow Eastern European politics to apply MAGA

00:26:19.880 categories on them so it's like wherever there's an election let's find who is trump who is doj

00:26:26.060 trying to jail trump who is who stole the election it's it happens all the time

00:26:32.080 um it's a good thing if people resist this because yeah hungary is another country yeah

00:26:39.780 all right then so let's move on to the next segment which is a culture war throwback

00:26:46.700 we're doing a culture war throwback my friends that's right over the past few years there has

00:26:52.440 been a lot of discussion over woke wokeness and whether woke is dead Piers Morgan even wrote a

00:26:58.740 book saying woke is dead so it must be right the question then is why are there still remnants of

00:27:06.840 it which pop up every now and again and is it characteristically different from your everyday

00:27:13.540 general degeneracy and perversion being pushed? Or is there a different character to it? Because

00:27:20.600 there is still a lot of degeneracy, a lot of perversion being pushed in the media that people

00:27:25.080 consume. Is that wokeness? Is wokeness lying in wait? Will it rise up again if a democratic party

00:27:31.540 wins in America next time? And will they go turbo woke? These are all questions that are up in the

00:27:37.620 air but the little remnant of it which is still um still exists has popped up in the most unlikely

00:27:43.440 of places which was in of all things the malcolm in the middle reboot mini series uh which is quite

00:27:50.040 the shame i don't know if either of you ever watched malcolm in the middle when it was coming

00:27:53.860 out when you were younger only when it came on after the simpsons on sky yes i i hope they

00:27:59.880 didn't sandwich him um i don't know what that means it says in the middle oh oh come on harry

00:28:09.540 i've checked your notes about the segment all right i know what kind of segments you gravitate 0.66

00:28:14.200 towards lately all right i really don't act prudish oh okay it was a it was a gay joke folks 0.58

00:28:20.820 for everybody out there who was as oblivious as i am it was a gay joke but yeah i quite enjoyed 0.64

00:28:26.500 Malcolm in the Middle when I was younger. It was quite innovative as American comedies go. It was 0.53

00:28:30.520 one of the first ones to not be like a two-camera sitcom with a laugh track and everything. It was

00:28:35.600 all shot like a drama series where the jokes were not all telegraphed by laugh tracks. I

00:28:41.100 enjoyed it a lot and they did this reboot series catching up on the family years later as some

00:28:47.260 kind of nostalgia bait. But what do they have to inject into nostalgia bait to ruin everybody's

00:28:52.560 Lovely memories of a funny show.

00:28:55.200 Well, they have to break my box, first of all.

00:28:58.520 This one works. Here you go.

00:28:59.760 This one works. Thank you.

00:29:01.740 Well, they have to make it so that the younger sibling,

00:29:05.100 the sister of the family,

00:29:06.980 which was a big plot point in the series

00:29:08.900 when it was first coming out,

00:29:10.120 that the mum really, really wanted a girl

00:29:12.400 because she had four boys, 0.95

00:29:14.020 turns out to be non-binary

00:29:15.660 and gives a big speech about it

00:29:19.020 in the middle of one of the four episodes,

00:29:21.000 which is about, you know, a minute and a half of time dedicated to this over the course of a four-episode miniseries.

00:29:29.860 That's a fair amount of budget for this one thing.

00:29:32.960 I find that when I watch comedy, what I really like is to be lectured to at length about morals.

00:29:38.580 That's what I like in my comedy series.

00:29:40.280 About progressive gender ideology BS as well.

00:29:43.440 And doesn't this feel like such a throwback, right?

00:29:46.960 It does.

00:29:47.520 Doesn't this feel like we're back in 2016 all over again, being lectured by television

00:29:53.840 programs about how there's far more than just the gender binary?

00:29:58.880 It's not going to stop anytime soon.

00:30:01.260 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I was never convinced by the woke will go away

00:30:08.540 argument because you have to look at the function of wokeness.

00:30:11.860 it's designed to perfectly dominate a space whether it's politics whether it's your workplace

00:30:18.720 it creates completely arbitrary rules and whoever is you know the leader in that space they can

00:30:27.100 dominate it and you you separate the population into distinct groups and you make them just you

00:30:34.380 create rules that are contradictory i think as long as you separate people within their own 0.99

00:30:39.740 groups as well yeah young white women who would otherwise be normal and having families then 1.00

00:30:44.960 decide to designate themselves as some strange uh fairy creature off to the side yeah but it's not

00:30:51.680 just that it's not like you have a a heterosexual woman who watches a degenerate so now i found it 0.65

00:30:58.700 i'm gonna be a butch lesbian it's all it's all part of a larger uh social culture which people 0.66

00:31:04.260 are exposed to and people are influenced by the sorts of things that they see in films and 0.54

00:31:08.640 television or else there wouldn't be so much money spent on putting those things it makes it seem more

00:31:13.160 normal doesn't it by exposing people to something and and it's a phenomenon in psychology that the

00:31:19.040 more familiar you are with something the more likely you are to like it and i think that um as

00:31:23.560 long as there are losers in society there will be aspects of wokeness because it's a way of them to

00:31:28.520 leverage power and respect you're oppressed you need preferential treatment but i think also that

00:31:34.340 there was a peak of wokeness and I think it was on the decline but we should also not expect it

00:31:40.420 to go away entirely. We should also see the divisions within the Republican Party and the

00:31:45.540 expectations of some that the Democrats might make a return at the midterms would also give

00:31:50.720 some motivation to the people behind these kinds of ideologies to start to ramp it back up again

00:31:56.600 as there's an ebb and flow. We'll see there is a progressive logic to a lot of it of course but

00:32:01.820 back on the 2016 you also have again just like back then people misrepresenting the stuff that

00:32:07.800 you used to like to justify why it's being subverted now people pointing out ah well what

00:32:12.400 about this from Malcolm in the Middle back in the day he's in a little hula thing this wasn't a joke

00:32:17.640 this was them saying I don't know something about society yes goofing around is definitely a statement

00:32:23.460 your sexuality look they got one of the male characters to dress as a woman for an episode 0.97

00:32:28.100 so that means that they were always for gender-bending non-binary rubbish. 0.99

00:32:32.680 That's not a comedy trope and a thing common in theatre for many years that had no connotation. 1.00

00:32:38.620 Yeah, just taking the jokes out of context is such a bizarre throwback to this kind of

00:32:43.900 culture war debate that was going on 10 years ago, and which again, it's strange how it goes

00:32:49.400 away for a little bit, then an old programme, an old franchise that you remember fondly from

00:32:54.560 your childhood does this and then it just like it never went away comes right back up and everybody's

00:33:01.260 having the same arguments over and over and over again it's quite bizarre but this is when I move 0.99

00:33:06.920 on to something else because this is just basic this is basic bitch wokeness right this is clear 1.00

00:33:11.920 and obvious sign of they have taken the thing that you loved and they have made it fake and gay 1.00

00:33:17.060 which was the whole point of wokeness alongside all of the other broader political uses that it

00:33:22.960 has, as Stelios pointed out. But then where is the difference between that and just outright

00:33:30.840 degeneracy? Is there a difference in character between this, which has its own 2016 brand of

00:33:39.600 wokeness, and this, right? Sidney Sweeney shocks fans by dressing up as a baby in the Euphoria

00:33:47.580 trailer. I'm going to turn this down and get that off screen because, frankly, it's gross,

00:33:53.660 but is there a difference between that and this kind of weird sexual perversion that is still

00:34:01.420 pushed through with HBO programs and has been far more acceptable in HBO programs for a long time?

00:34:09.420 Because that has a similar societal effect in kind of normalizing this kind of thing. It has

00:34:14.780 the skins effect. I mentioned skins on one of my segments last week where the show argued that oh

00:34:21.100 we're trying to bring awareness to the struggles of young people, when in actuality it normalized

00:34:26.780 a lot of that behavior for young people and made it seem cool for a lot of them. Josh you're around

00:34:31.740 the same age as I am. Did you find that friends of yours who watched skins tried to emulate the

00:34:37.900 behavior rather than went oh I've learned a lesson from that? I wasn't friends with people

00:34:42.700 that watch skins really good on you thank you but um the people who i knew who did um were pretty

00:34:48.900 degenerate people exactly and this is just somebody's screenshot of sam levinson the name

00:34:53.960 of the director and creator of the program showing up a few times in the epstein library but that's

00:34:58.340 neither here nor there and will definitely not have any relevance to the subject as we carry on

00:35:04.460 but people are trying to come up with theories as to why sydney sweeney would agree to this because

00:35:08.180 one of the other things that the Euphoria Twitter account put out was saying, oh, a potential

00:35:13.520 spoilers screenshot of Sydney Sweeney from the third series, which appears to be in a rather

00:35:18.260 horrifying assault position, right? And they're saying that they're trying to humiliate Sydney

00:35:25.200 Sweeney for taking part in the jeans ad and presumably the big push of support that she got

00:35:30.380 from right-wing figures, including this podcast last year, to which point I would say if you

00:35:35.140 actually read anything about her and the show, she's very comfortable with doing this kind of

00:35:39.660 thing. This is one of the things that made her famous in the first place is appearing in shows

00:35:43.100 like this. And in interviews, she said that she's actually discussed with the creator what she's

00:35:47.720 comfortable doing and what she's not comfortable doing. So if you want to say that this is her

00:35:51.580 being humiliated by it, that's very strange because she is perfectly okay with this and

00:35:57.060 happy to flaunt herself in such a way. And in fact, it is slightly cringeworthy to go back and

00:36:02.360 look at all of the fawning praise that even this podcast had towards sydney sweeney i never all last

00:36:07.260 year i i i was i was friendly about it for the reason of getting along on the podcast but i 0.82

00:36:13.240 never thought it was a particularly great idea frankly i mean she's a she's a hot blonde who

00:36:18.720 knows that she's that she's hot right yeah but i don't i don't think those of us and i include

00:36:25.060 myself in that category who were pro sydney sweeney um were we're doing the sort of intellectual

00:36:34.460 i can projection good reasons why you like sydney sweeney stelios yeah but there's a lot a lot of

00:36:40.860 people and also let me just say because harry you may not be very familiar with her filmography

00:36:46.200 it's not the first movie clearly not familiar it's not the first movie she does where she

00:36:51.740 that is completely sexual there's even a movie where she's constantly spying her neighbor

00:36:57.340 okay well i i'm aware of the fact that she's familiar with these kinds of roles right which

00:37:03.400 is why i'm saying it was very strange for everybody to put her up as some kind of culture

00:37:08.300 they weren't putting her on a pedestal we weren't putting her in a pedestal we liked her

00:37:15.160 anapologetic stance with respect to something it would be absolutely not a good and i agree with 1.00

00:37:21.560 I hear, I think we would completely be in agreement here for her to be unapologetic and in saying, no, I'm not going to do this stupid shit here. 1.00

00:37:30.700 Yes, because, again, it's just you're basically injecting poison into your brain when you watch stuff like this. 1.00

00:37:37.720 It's not it's not healthy for people to watch so many scenes of horrible things like that happening.

00:37:43.100 But the interesting thing is the reaction from the mainstream media to this

00:37:48.500 and the kind of schizophrenia that I've seen observed here

00:37:51.560 by a left-wing outlet like The Independent, for instance.

00:37:55.900 A few last week, posting a review of the show saying that

00:37:59.520 Series 3, it's generation-defining, it paints a clear-eyed

00:38:03.160 and unflattering portraits of modern America, gives it four stars.

00:38:06.400 And then just a few days later, posting about how Euphoria

00:38:09.560 has become the most toxic show on television,

00:38:11.960 where it also gives a rather damning indictment of the kind of storylines that you see in this

00:38:17.780 of basically just being misery porn of just horrible thing after horrible thing happening

00:38:22.760 with no real point to it because i'm not a prude i'm not saying that you're not allowed to present

00:38:27.880 dark subject matter it's that really then there should be a point to it if you're going to do

00:38:33.160 that or else you're just making people it's also very repetitive it's not the one in a you know

00:38:37.920 just you know you have an absolute degenerate director who came up with an idea to do some

00:38:42.760 oh this seems like an example of a degenerate director it's it happens a lot and i don't think

00:38:48.420 that people like it i think it's just degenerate elites or something not necessarily in the in the

00:38:54.960 political sense but there are you know there are groups of powerful people who do want this i think

00:39:00.800 the worst aspect of it is it becomes like a sort of zeitgeist everyone sort of starts doing this

00:39:06.440 and it becomes inescapable if there was a bit of variety at least yeah you know there would 0.99

00:39:11.160 be some purpose for this sort of thing the message doesn't have to be you have to be a massive whore 0.99

00:39:16.200 yeah i mean i mean listen to even the the description found in this independent article 0.79

00:39:20.360 which asks the question does euphoria series 3 need to exist well it's debatable the three

00:39:26.520 episodes of eight supplied to journalists are arguably bleaker than anything sam levinson has

00:39:31.800 has put his name to you before, with one of the characters, Rue, smuggling drugs in Mexico.

00:39:36.760 I thought this was supposed to be like a high school teenager drama, but oh well. Cassie,

00:39:41.980 one of the other characters, I think that's Sydney Sweeney, pretending to be a sexy dog

00:39:46.280 and baby on OnlyFans, and Hunter Schaefer, who is the would-have-been, could-have-been 0.80

00:39:52.600 Zelda transsexual, Hunter Schaefer's melancholy jewels working as a sugar baby for a millionaire

00:40:00.880 that Levinson has claimed Series 3 is a tribute to cast member Angus Cloud, who died from a drug

00:40:06.400 overdose shortly after filming his two-season role as sensitive dealer Fez on the show,

00:40:11.740 feels more worrying than it does sweet. That does seem like quite a strange contradiction,

00:40:17.200 and the review and this article ends by saying at least we can find solace in the fact that it

00:40:21.380 will all be over in eight weeks. It also just sounds, I haven't seen it, so maybe I'm wrong

00:40:25.700 here but it all just sounds like an older person's misguided understanding of what young people are

00:40:32.020 up to well the question is in that is it that or is it purposeful subversion because sam levinson

00:40:40.400 the creator of the show this is not his first time making the show euphoria this is in fact

00:40:47.840 his second time, because what Euphoria is, is an American reboot of an Israeli show,

00:40:56.220 which Sam Levinson also made, which has some quite stark and interesting details

00:41:03.060 that mark it out as very different. So, for instance, as pointed out here, the Israeli

00:41:09.500 version of the show, which was from about 14 years ago, had no diversity in the cast. It was

00:41:15.680 all Israelis. There was no, as a result of that, race mixing within the television series in

00:41:22.160 Israel. There were no transsexuals in the Israeli version, whereas in the American version,

00:41:28.320 Sidney Sweeney has sex with black men, and in the American version, the dad of the character Nate 0.99

00:41:33.940 has sex with a transsexual high schooler, which is all very interesting, isn't it? Given that, 1.00

00:41:41.060 again, what we're talking about here is the process of normalization. If you were to go

00:41:45.240 with an old-fashioned way of describing it, you could call it demoralization. This is putting

00:41:49.880 these images in people's faces to make it come across like this is something that everybody does

00:41:55.480 and to take away some of the stigma from it, young people watch this and say either, well if they're

00:42:00.980 doing it then it's normal, or if people are constantly being presented with this awful

00:42:05.300 depiction of the world, they say, well at least if I'm doing something bad I'm either on the same

00:42:10.720 level or slightly better than what these television characters are doing. The question being, is this a

00:42:16.520 case of the creator, Sam Levinson, changing the material on purpose to cater to what he sees as

00:42:23.320 an American audience? Or is this a case where perhaps Israel, at the time, was more restrictive

00:42:28.380 with the kinds of things that it would let appear on television? And therefore, he was not able to

00:42:33.800 put this kind of similar subversive aspects into the Israeli version of the program.

00:42:39.040 Would you say both?

00:42:39.780 it could be both either way it's an indictment on american stand of american standards and one of

00:42:47.480 the suspect things here which ties what i was saying before is that you see this frequently

00:42:52.820 in advertising yes you have lots of big companies who are pushing woke messaging and doing woke

00:43:00.140 rebranding which fails and they keep doing it so the question is why don't they learn the lesson

00:43:07.820 that is a that is a question but one of the other shows that's been getting a bit of a hammering

00:43:13.860 after a lot of people basically just looked at a show like euphoria and said if i'm going to

00:43:18.720 subject myself to hours and hours of misery there needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel and

00:43:24.040 this show doesn't seem to be providing it another show being hammered on a similar way is the boys

00:43:28.960 which is equally if not more subversive and revels even more in just the disgusting dark and shady

00:43:36.440 aspects of life the last part i ever saw of the boys because i did watch the first two series

00:43:41.000 was the very first episode of series three when one of the first things that you see in it

00:43:45.900 is a man who can shrink himself down it changes size i heard about this yes and of course one of

00:43:51.720 the first things you see that he that he does is he's gay and shrinks himself down and goes into 0.99

00:43:56.760 the penis of another man to give him pleasure which was just one of those moments where i just 0.99

00:44:02.540 saw that and said no i switched it off and said this is not for me and frankly it shouldn't be 0.99

00:44:09.340 for anybody because surely that would tickle well that was the point but it was just gross it was

00:44:15.260 just gross out for the sake of being gross out there's no greater kind of message to it other

00:44:21.100 than really what turns by the end into democrat talking points and left-wing talking points i

00:44:26.180 think basically cinema has died after lord of the rings and and perhaps film there's every so often

00:44:33.500 there's a there's a there's a yawning whisper of cinema returning every now and then usually

00:44:40.140 independent films i've been uh sort of child maxing and watching nothing but dinosaur documentaries

00:44:46.480 recently based and i've been enjoying it what you should start doing is dad maxing and just watch

00:44:52.060 dad programs like I already do that though men fixing motorbike engines or forging forging steel

00:44:58.160 weapons I've watched a lot of those don't you worry good man just go back to the classics and

00:45:03.220 watch Mythbusters also like watching people dig up gold that's good um mining programs isn't it

00:45:10.620 it is yes yeah but the boys has also featured some other controversy which is that the character

00:45:18.200 of Frenchie, shock of all shocks, is not actually played by a French person. He has played, oh sorry,

00:45:25.360 this is just one of the other childish things. Ironically, from what I'm about to mention,

00:45:29.460 this is an Arab account bigging this up, going like, oh, this is how the cast of The Boys is

00:45:35.180 saying farewell to its audience. Wow, aren't they super cool and edgy? This is like peak millennialism.

00:45:43.560 wow you're you're swearing oh that's so cool ah you're and it's very faux edgy which the show is

00:45:51.580 just the the the the one it was if somebody asked me to give a perfect example of faux edgy i would

00:45:58.060 just point to the boys because they're going to make jokes about christians they're going to make 0.98

00:46:02.020 jokes about white people they're going to have the most gross disgusting thing you've ever seen 0.89

00:46:06.260 in your life happen on screen every single episode but will they ever make a joke that 0.97

00:46:10.360 will actually get them in trouble no question question because i haven't watched it because

00:46:15.280 from a description people gave me i said i don't i really don't care about watching this

00:46:20.800 but is it that in this case they're sort of playing really bad people and they're

00:46:26.340 actually playing it's one of those shows it's supposed to all be gray area but what it actually

00:46:32.580 is that's what i didn't like yeah it's it's all just a moral gray zone nobody's good nobody's

00:46:39.020 evil and it's pure nihilism is what it is which is interesting because like we talk about shows

00:46:45.020 that are dark and edgy but have a point to them you could argue i've seen people argue uh for the

00:46:50.180 case of rust in the first series of true detective being a nihilist but actually the whole point the

00:46:56.440 whole point of the show is that by the end of it his nihilism was a shield and he's able to overcome

00:47:02.240 it and see the hope and optimism in the world and given the creator was a catholic then it acts as

00:47:07.480 kind of stealth christian story and also he was you know what he was actually trying to do in in

00:47:14.820 the story and and what he was aiming to do was save children from abuse so it makes sense that

00:47:20.840 he was a little bit depressed right he wasn't a nihilist that's not how i interpreted it early

00:47:25.500 on he's presented as one but then by the end of course and that's one of the beautiful things

00:47:30.800 about that show and it shows you how you can be dark and gritty and real and edgy without just

00:47:36.740 falling purely into a broader nihilism but that's not what people are upset about the boys over it's

00:47:42.400 the fact that the guy the chap who plays Frenchie is not French but is in fact Israeli and the show's

00:47:49.400 left-wing audience that it has cultivated for itself are incredibly upset about the fact that

00:47:54.640 he was an IDF soldier who back in 2016 gave a casual interview about how he would as part of

00:48:01.780 the IDF, break into people's homes and abduct 18-year-old daughters and then basically black

00:48:08.320 bag them and get them into a facility where they're holding a number of other similarly aged

00:48:12.400 young girls, which comes across very bad. Now, there is some nuance that you could take from

00:48:17.460 this because if you actually read more of the interview, he's talking about how he found it to

00:48:22.740 be morally deadening and how he was very upset at it and ended up quitting, I believe, or like

00:48:29.860 basically abandoning it because of all of that. But still, these are things that he did do,

00:48:35.020 which people are very, very upset about and are deciding that they do not want to watch the

00:48:39.620 programme over, especially if the programme is going to feature him moralising to them when

00:48:44.680 they see him as equally, if not more morally compromised than the kinds of people that he

00:48:49.180 is supposedly fighting out against. So that's an interesting little tidbit about some of the

00:48:55.360 media, the programming and the people behind it that we've got right now. But if you would like

00:48:59.700 to see another example of someone who you could say did expose the darker sides of humanity and

00:49:06.540 indulge in the grossness and darkness without making it into pure nihilism and while having a

00:49:12.360 point at the end of it and making something that actually really was beautiful and exposed the

00:49:17.460 light, you can instead watch part three of mine, Josh's, and proper horror shows series on the

00:49:23.480 works of David Lynch out recently. If you're a subscriber to the website you can watch that

00:49:29.260 right now if you've not got a subscription you can watch the half an hour preview and if you enjoy it

00:49:33.980 please consider subscribing and watch the rest because it was a really worthwhile conversation

00:49:38.080 it's a lot of fun yeah and in this one in particular we talk about his most surprising

00:49:42.060 film that being The Straight Story which if you want to see the contrast between a man who could

00:49:47.080 show the darkest of darkness and the most beautiful wholesome down-to-earth and simple story imaginable

00:49:53.860 watch the straight story because that is just that's heart that's goodness that's purity that's

00:50:00.080 everything good in life distilled into about an hour and a half yeah if you go away from watching

00:50:05.320 that film and you don't have a better mood at the end of it there there's something wrong with you

00:50:09.900 yeah and maybe that's what you should take from this which is that if you are consistently

00:50:13.440 indulging in media that just makes you miserable makes you feel horrible and look at the world in

00:50:18.300 a really negative light at the end of it perhaps you should engage with something that's just a

00:50:22.680 Touch more positive.

00:50:25.820 There we go.

00:50:26.780 We need white pills.

00:50:28.280 Yes, I think that was a white pill at the end of it.

00:50:30.660 I got some rumble rants.

00:50:33.240 Tiffinol, woke is not dead at all.

00:50:35.040 Virginia proves the whole plan.

00:50:36.640 GOP and RNC sabotage the centre-right so that the left won.

00:50:40.420 Now they are going full progressivism.

00:50:42.860 Sigil Stone, a proper Malcolm reboot should have just been one episode

00:50:45.220 of Malcolm bludgeoning his mother for destroying his future.

00:50:48.860 Instead, he validates her as right all along. 0.77

00:50:51.180 god forbid a woman be accountable random name sentence in uh two won't be over as long as the

00:50:57.600 progress bar stays stuck oh yeah uh all of a sudden harry's pages started beeping and hapsification

00:51:03.920 the creator of the boys garth ennis quite miss is quite misunderstood and quite right-wing i would

00:51:10.020 argue i would argue he's edgy but if you've ever read his comic preacher that is not at all what

00:51:16.320 I would describe as a right-wing comic book and similarly I've not read the boys comic but the

00:51:21.540 show is made by different people than Garth. I don't know if it's got his his praise his go

00:51:27.360 obviously got his go-ahead but I don't know if that's because he believes in their artistic

00:51:31.020 vision or if he just likes the money the show makes for him. Tell us about the Kit Kats tell

00:51:40.040 else where are they i'ma tell you where they are all right bruce calm down batman i could have done

00:51:48.240 a much better impression but it would have been ear splittingly loud it's all right

00:51:51.660 you love chocolate i know you do i love it as well you may love kitkat you may love having a

00:52:00.320 break and having some kitkat as well to accompany your break some people are having lots of breaks

00:52:06.740 here 12 tons of brakes have been vanished have vanished out of thin air no one knows where they

00:52:13.720 are but someone is absolutely having the time of their life right so let us focus a bit on kitkat

00:52:21.080 and their x account and we are going to see what became of the heist of the century perhaps that's

00:52:28.660 a bit too much but it's definitely one of the big heists of the decade yes because uh i don't know

00:52:35.320 who in their right mind was it 12 tons of kit kats that was yeah yeah that's a lot of effort

00:52:41.220 for kit kats in my mind i'd like to just imagine a really big fat person with great ambition

00:52:47.420 you know the boring interpretation is that people stole it to sell on you have to think big

00:52:53.880 you do i mean in more ways than one i just want it to be one great big greedy person

00:53:00.580 i like to imagine him like like um on a parachute just like on a paraglider gliding over and just

00:53:08.260 hooking it paragliders dragging along the ground behind the van at the moment we don't know if it

00:53:14.000 was one person or a group of people but there have been cases which we are going to talk about

00:53:20.720 towards the end of isolated individuals who broke who who stole thousands of chocolates

00:53:27.880 right okay let's see here say different unique designs different types of prosperity get yours

00:53:33.840 and see which will bring you luck this cny whatever that's new year yeah that's february 12

00:53:41.960 here they are talking about uh ramadan they deserved it yeah a blessed month begins may

00:53:49.140 this rabbit israelis there's a half crescent in the kitkat i'm never eating another kitkat 0.92

00:53:54.120 Israel stole the Kit Kats to demoralize the Middle East. 0.93

00:53:58.820 May this Ramadan bring meaning to your every break moment. 1.00

00:54:03.240 They are not talking about Easter.

00:54:06.640 Harry, maybe you have...

00:54:08.560 Here they say, the first word you see is what you need today.

00:54:14.320 Break.

00:54:15.260 Give us a break. 1.00

00:54:17.460 I saw Bex.

00:54:18.960 Right.

00:54:19.340 So let's go here.

00:54:21.400 Yes.

00:54:22.200 Regarding recent press coverage, that's March 29.

00:54:27.480 That's really close to April Fool's Day.

00:54:31.100 Right, so they are saying we can confirm that 12 tons of KitKat products were stolen while in transit between our factory in central Italy and their destination in Poland.

00:54:41.240 We're currently working closely with local authorities and supply chain partners to investigate the good news.

00:54:48.000 there are no concerns for consumer safety and supply is not affected there's a couple of

00:54:53.040 questions i have here did they weigh the driver before and after um and second of all why would

00:54:59.880 you make kit kats in central italy won't they melt you know this is a warm part of the world

00:55:05.020 that's true presumably i didn't think of that they don't just have to like speed all of the

00:55:11.860 way on a ticking clock i think just a direct line it's just a straight line and a big fast truck

00:55:18.740 i think after the resurgimento they did have fridges okay that's true maybe that's to answer

00:55:24.160 your question i haven't been to italy a lot or i don't know about the state right so when you

00:55:29.000 look at this statement and it's march 29 what comes to mind what's the first thing you're

00:55:36.920 gonna think about it's the easter bunny it was an inside job many people thought it was basically

00:55:43.360 april's fool's day frank a couple of days early yeah and there were many memes and also there

00:55:52.060 was this thing they're saying supply not affected yeah to be fair britain alone probably has a

00:55:59.240 strategic kitkat reserve we have them in every shop i'm sorry i like this guy yeah so we'll talk

00:56:05.860 of it because there were many memes here and people started uh taking it as a prank but also

00:56:12.160 some others didn't take it as a prank and they just said it's it's just hilarious that people

00:56:17.460 would uh would just steal so many kit kats it's like you have the these movies in mind when you

00:56:24.920 have you have all these gangs going out doing a special op to to steal you know high profile 0.66

00:56:31.100 people or their family or gold or something and it's kit kat there's a missed opportunity here

00:56:36.840 for them releasing a press statement saying a beast criminal still at large this is what this 0.58

00:56:42.360 is what they should do for oceans 14 look at this here oh my god yeah it's from casa de papel in

00:56:52.620 case you haven't watched it here we have walter white and his very annoying wife the main villain

00:56:59.820 in breaking bad i just the the context of the rest of this scene it makes it even better because

00:57:04.160 she basically just turns to him and says how much is too much i've been told that when i've been

00:57:11.180 eating chocolates yeah but turns out it wasn't a prank and they were actually stolen now let's

00:57:20.000 see what happened here we have this cnn article by jack guy i mean how can it not be a prank this 0.62

00:57:28.380 man did it how can it not be a prank you're a cold jack guy he needed he needed it for his you know

00:57:36.100 calories to bulk that's what he needed right so they're saying basically a total of 413,793

00:57:44.100 kit kat bars were stolen that's a very specific number counted out specifically counted every

00:57:50.640 one is traceable so the governments of europe need to coordinate and start tracing these kit

00:57:56.400 Don't you think that they have to? It's like more and more money has to pour into Interpol.

00:58:02.320 The whole point of the EU is a sphere of trust between member nations.

00:58:07.760 How could Italy and the KitKat Corporation trust anyone? Ursula von der Leyen needs to get on this.

00:58:12.880 This is blasphemy against the spirit of the EU.

00:58:15.600 They need to start treating it like banknotes. You know how some banknotes have little trackers

00:58:21.760 embedded in them like fake notes so that if it's stolen in bulk they can follow where it's gone

00:58:27.600 this is exactly what they did let's see what happened so the confectionary which is manufactured

00:58:34.100 by swiss firm nestle was stolen when the vehicle was distributing the bars along a route running

00:58:40.220 from a factory in central italy to poland they said it was turin so that's still um italy isn't

00:58:47.560 it italy yeah so it could have been the mafia but it's in the north that's true yeah which

00:58:52.540 sounds like a weird flex perhaps not i'm sure italians right now are gonna watch this say no

00:58:59.580 it's not just a weird flex it's not just sicilians that have the mafia it's all over italy isn't it

00:59:04.560 the vehicle and its contents remain unaccounted for and investigations are ongoing with in close

00:59:10.180 collaboration with local authorities and supply chain partners. A total of 413,793 KitKat bars

00:59:19.180 were stolen. Each one is traceable using on-pack batch numbers. And KitKat has asked anyone who

00:59:26.920 finds a match to alert the company. So imagine you're going to get a KitKat and then you're

00:59:31.420 going to scan it and track it and say, let me just see if there... I just like the idea that

00:59:36.440 there's tracers on every single one of these and you just like you go around to your illicit black

00:59:41.940 market chocolate dealer yeah behind the scenes had the number scraped off like guns in the US

00:59:47.620 and you go and buy it and you open the packet and you're about to bite into it like a monster you

00:59:54.380 don't even break it because you're a criminal anyway so you're just about to bite all four at

00:59:58.420 once and then the SWAT teams descend yeah but I want you to understand the gravity of the situation

01:00:06.360 apart from the 12 tons so i i calculated each bar has approximately 155 calories

01:00:14.200 so this is a total of 64 million 137 915 calories whoa that's basically my intake for the month to

01:00:24.260 put it into perspective i i would doubt this i'm joking really doubt this i don't think you're that

01:00:31.560 fat no fat yeah he's actually he's actually underselling it let me put a 64 million uh

01:00:40.400 calories into perspective this is a lifetime of food uh for an average adult let's say for an

01:00:46.100 average adult this is approximately able to sustain them for 87.8 years i don't think

01:00:53.200 you'd want more protein though instead of just fat if you just ate kit kats you're not making

01:00:58.960 in that 87th year, aren't you?

01:01:00.380 You're definitely not making it.

01:01:02.820 Right, right.

01:01:04.500 Here, it can fuel an F1 car.

01:01:08.120 It would be equivalent to roughly 74,000 kilowatts per hour.

01:01:12.300 I don't see that F1 car winning if it runs on kick.

01:01:14.700 This is enough energy to drive a modern electric vehicle

01:01:17.940 like a Tesla Model 3 from New York to Los Angeles

01:01:21.280 and back over 15 times.

01:01:23.640 Okay.

01:01:23.960 And Sugar Rush, we're talking about 5.8 metric tons of sugar.

01:01:28.960 i want you to understand the cargo that was stolen i actually have a very low sugar diet

01:01:34.120 so that basically means then that almost half of the weight of a kitkat is in sugar then

01:01:40.000 as if it was 12 tons and it's about five or so tons of sugar you know yeah it's a lot i like

01:01:46.500 i like the fun that the spokesman's having with this whole thing though oh no the criminals made

01:01:51.180 a break with our kit kats they say here that they have a tracker which lets candy lovers check if

01:02:00.220 their kit kat is from the heist yeah because this is entirely average you know wouldn't chocolate

01:02:06.680 lover behavior when you buy a bar or something wouldn't that just make you want to taste it even

01:02:11.760 more the sweet taste of forbidden kit kat yeah but that is the issue though here they don't know who

01:02:17.780 did it and how do you just completely disappear how do 12 tons of kit kat disappear into the

01:02:25.560 market so my my hunch is of enough fat people my hunch is that they function as deal sweeteners

01:02:32.940 so people who people who have stolen them i think we're talking about a group of individuals

01:02:39.760 who want to use them as deal sweeteners so they're selling other stuff and they're saying

01:02:46.520 right here's some deal sweetener if you want you can have you i've not got enough cocaine right

01:02:51.400 now but i throw a few kitkats on top yeah man also they could be trying to influence election cycles

01:02:57.000 and do some direct donations or donating it in kitkats yeah instead of throwing mega hats

01:03:02.960 imagine throwing kitkats you know you know the way in some in some crime movies they'll have

01:03:08.360 the exchange briefcases of money yeah right and sometimes it'll be packed with newspaper clippings

01:03:13.900 and such underneath the top layer yeah to make sure it's right yeah i'm two fingers short

01:03:19.940 right so they're trying to turn it into a pr victory and they said they they lost the merchandise

01:03:28.860 but they're trying to make a marketing campaign out of this which has some people always asking

01:03:36.640 whether this was actually a marketing trick but there have been such heists before let me just

01:03:43.080 show you this maybe there's music we'll have to mute it is leveling up and not playing around

01:03:49.200 yeah they have um escort many suvs are escorting kitkat trucks here it's a pretty uh flag imagine

01:04:00.700 you have you know the sicario 3 you have josh brolin and who was the guy who was playing the

01:04:06.680 mexican the great great actor what in what who what sicario 3 you have the del toro yeah you have

01:04:14.880 suvs and humvees with with machine guns escorting kit kat here's an idea if you don't want your

01:04:21.300 kit kats to be stolen don't emblazen your vans with a kit kat logo well the kit kat fans have

01:04:26.560 to go dark now yes they've got to be undercover they'll pretend to be like i don't know lettuce

01:04:32.600 vans no one will rob them now i was interested in chocolate uh stealing i i haven't done it

01:04:40.280 i mean we've all been at the age it's just fun because it's there there's some uh there's some

01:04:45.460 kind of you know a twisted thieves wisdom there because lots of them they just haven't been found

01:04:50.960 because people are gonna say well i'm not i'm not gonna i don't know how much how many resources

01:04:56.800 are going to be poured into tracking stolen KitKats.

01:05:01.820 I want Interpol involved, personally.

01:05:03.280 Well, to be serious for a moment,

01:05:05.620 Ochigdor has actually put forward a rumble rant

01:05:07.920 which could help to explain a lot of this,

01:05:10.540 suggesting that it may be a test run

01:05:12.580 and that you should see what other things are delivered

01:05:15.100 along the route that was stolen.

01:05:17.040 So they might be going for unserious, low-value cargo right now

01:05:21.580 so they can test getaway routes, areas of access,

01:05:25.120 dark sites where they might be able to intercept deliveries yeah let's focus on this one so there

01:05:31.700 have been several high profile chocolate heists right this is the nutella heist of 2013 and this

01:05:39.620 happened in germany this is basically 5.5 tons of nutella disappeared and the culprits haven't been

01:05:46.720 haven't been found so they stole the jars from a park trailer in certain in the central german

01:05:53.180 town of bad hersfield they should have known it's called bad and what happened basically they used

01:06:02.480 a particular method which is called finessing the trailer now let me tell you what happened so

01:06:07.980 there was a refrigerated semi-trailer called the reefer packed with nutella and that was parked at

01:06:15.320 an old decommissioned railway station in bad hersfield germany this area was frequently used

01:06:21.540 as a temporary staging grant for long haul track drivers to park their loads over the weekend and

01:06:26.940 the thieves arrived with their own tractor unit and basically just simply backed their tractor

01:06:33.420 up to the nutella field trailer hooked up the fifth wheel the coupling mechanism attached the

01:06:38.700 airlines for the brakes and drove the entire trailer away nobody suspected that's quite

01:06:42.960 high tech for a theft but then i suppose if you're stealing at this scale nutella yeah but what is

01:06:48.600 the fun thing and 13 grams worth of Nutella all that effort what makes people a bit um uh suspicious

01:06:58.480 is that tons of coffee were stolen in the same way from that place some weeks before that

01:07:07.980 their breakfast set for life they're gonna have Nutella on toast and coffee forever maybe you know

01:07:14.180 how in GTA 5 you've got to prepare for the heists by doing tiny little mini

01:07:18.560 thefts before so that you can get the materials that you need? Perhaps this was

01:07:23.640 all in preparation for bigger heists. They needed all of that Nutella because

01:07:28.760 there was, I don't know, an event on where everybody was allergic to nuts and they

01:07:34.520 needed some way of getting the spread to infect everybody.

01:07:38.060 weird nut allergy holocaust going on in germany blimey the dark recesses of your mind to conjure 0.81

01:07:45.600 this up harry it's a test run you know germany you know what they're like so uh the police never 0.68

01:07:51.900 revealed whether the heist was the work of local amateurs with an insatiable sweet tooth or a

01:07:56.900 professional ring looking to profit on the sticky black market and basically they never they they

01:08:02.500 never found it the nutella was never recovered that's what i'm telling you maybe maybe it's

01:08:07.620 like a deal sweetener it's used as a deal sweetener somewhere maybe it's just really fat people

01:08:13.060 maybe they were just so hungry let us it's just criminal it's a criminal underworld of the obese

01:08:21.680 the you know they're going under the radar no one looks at an obese person thinks that person's

01:08:27.920 a master thief unless they've seen the sopranos in which case they're all fat but no but nobody

01:08:32.580 looks at a fat person and thinks that he's a cat burglar and for good reason guys there was another

01:08:38.580 nutella heist in 2017 blimey it was in the same way this is chocolate this is 2019 this is another

01:08:47.540 chocolate high profile chocolate heist okay it's 20 20 tons of chocolate so basically a thief in

01:08:53.620 austria made off with 50 000 works worth of milker chocolate which is absolutely lovely by the way i

01:08:59.660 like that chocolate in a truck after convincing a factory that he was the courier that's i mean

01:09:06.900 i'm surprised more people don't do that like most businesses don't check yeah i remember reading

01:09:11.000 about what was it they actually do do that i remember hearing about um someone who went into

01:09:16.240 universities and just wore like a high vis jacket and just started taking the computer monitors from

01:09:21.720 the university library honestly people joke that you can put a high vis jacket on and walk in

01:09:26.320 anywhere in the world a lot of the time it does actually work that's not getting any ideas that's

01:09:30.560 not advice i'm very much against stealing thank you he basically used a jedi trick so he looks

01:09:37.040 like he was an individual he did the the obi-wan thing and he convinced them that they should give

01:09:43.100 it to him so he says a thief in austria tricked a factory into giving him a 20 ton truckload of

01:09:48.840 chocolate police confirmed on thursday in recent years we have seen a number of individual cases

01:09:53.600 where loaded trucks never arrived also containing chocolate about what happens to the truck you know

01:09:59.300 what i'm i'm becoming more and more convinced what this is underground criminal bars need snacks too

01:10:06.780 and this is just they can't buy them themselves what's the point of you know criminal underworld

01:10:12.420 and making money from illegal stuff if then you've got to spend it on confectionery to have behind

01:10:16.700 the bar right so you steal that too why for the thrill are you familiar with the name joe b pool

01:10:22.880 no nope well you're going to become familiar with it so extra eggs that made me laugh

01:10:30.040 extravagant theft that is a terrible man convicted of stealing nearly 200 000 chocolate eggs

01:10:39.320 that's in 2023 that's a high profile chocolate heist in in the uk it's just furious that they're

01:10:45.560 only sold once a year at certain times if you eat one of those you start to feel sick like two

01:10:51.580 you're basically going to vomit i've never liked a cream egg personally i like them but they're

01:10:56.120 they're very rich look at this here a man has been convicted of steam they actually caught him

01:11:01.340 which is good for uh english justice for british justice presumably they could hear the trombone

01:11:06.800 player following him everywhere he went i've never heard of the name joe b before if you're called

01:11:12.720 joe b and you're watching this i'm sorry but i've never heard that name i didn't know that was a

01:11:16.500 Yeah, me neither.

01:11:17.740 It's like that Simpsons episode where he's-

01:11:19.340 What?

01:11:19.700 Yeah.

01:11:22.300 I was talking about that sketch yesterday.

01:11:25.340 Well, great minds.

01:11:26.180 So he was convicted of stealing nearly 200k chocolate eggs

01:11:30.880 worth around 40,000 pounds

01:11:33.760 in what British police have dubbed an eggstravagant theft.

01:11:38.040 I'm not sure the police did that.

01:11:39.780 This is what the police- 0.99

01:11:40.500 This is what we spend our tax money on, damn it. 0.99

01:11:43.560 The pun department of the police 0.99

01:11:45.280 have been working on that one for ages we don't have to live like this

01:11:48.680 jobey pool 32 pleaded guilty in court on tuesday to criminal damage and theft

01:11:56.120 west murcia police said in a statement tens of thousands of cadbury cream eggs a cult british

01:12:02.200 chocolate egg with a white and yellow soft fondant center was stolen cult from a unit in

01:12:07.740 stafford park in telford western england on saturday according to police everyone knows of

01:12:13.020 of cream eggs they're not a cult classic they're widespread they're everywhere uh and the chocolate

01:12:19.600 wasn't recovered yeah they uh they they reacted instantly they find a trail of foil leading to

01:12:27.740 the man's house yeah now just couldn't resist you had to start before he even got there he was there

01:12:33.620 like unable to move unable to flee because he is in a coma from sorry here is where i'm at my

01:12:39.580 at my mid schizo level this is the an article from the eater.com of 2016 it says crime ring

01:12:49.700 bust uncovers an entire trackload of stolen nutella along with drugs guns and dozens of

01:12:56.560 luxury cars so they haven't traced this this was for the hors d'oeuvres when they celebrate a heist

01:13:02.120 gone well that's what i'm telling you man yeah so um they don't link it directly to the 2013

01:13:09.440 teen heist although they mentioned the heist here in the article but they don't say it was them

01:13:14.500 but one of the thing is that it could be the case that um you know crime rings are doing this just

01:13:22.980 for deal sweeteners i thought of another maybe they you know just say there's a i'm gonna i'm

01:13:29.540 gonna buy i'm gonna buy um drugs from you or you're gonna buy drugs from me and if you buy

01:13:34.920 drugs at this excellent price here's some nutella as well i mean that's that's good service at least

01:13:41.180 that's probably what they're doing i'm not just i could i could believe it you want you want

01:13:46.280 several kilograms of cocaine how about some nutella yeah um why don't they find them i imagine

01:13:51.920 what they're probably doing is that they're shipping it off outside of europe to perhaps

01:13:56.100 somewhere like africa or the middle east that don't care about the fact that they're stolen

01:14:00.700 and I imagine it'll be in some sort of

01:14:03.920 shipping boat or something like that

01:14:05.180 along with lots of other stolen goods

01:14:06.800 as a way of getting them out of Europe

01:14:08.620 where they would be found out 0.61

01:14:10.120 and I imagine that's quite lucrative 1.00

01:14:12.500 I imagine that Africa has an appetite

01:14:15.180 for Nutella and chocolate to be honest 0.99

01:14:17.520 and I think that this segment

01:14:20.460 has been incredibly blackpilling

01:14:22.880 so I want us to end with memes

01:14:25.060 the 25 funniest memes

01:14:27.960 about the 413,793 stolen Kit Kats.

01:14:33.000 And let's look here.

01:14:36.800 What's the meme?

01:14:37.620 Is this a meme?

01:14:38.460 Yeah.

01:14:38.720 These memes?

01:14:39.780 These are not memes, BuzzFeed.

01:14:41.880 This is the preamble, isn't it?

01:14:43.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:44.800 Somewhere between Italy and Poland.

01:14:46.840 Exactly. 1.00

01:14:47.220 This is the kind of criminal behavior

01:14:48.700 that I'm talking about.

01:14:49.820 Anybody who bites into a Kit Kat

01:14:51.500 like that, capital punishment.

01:14:52.880 I like to do it to just psych people out

01:14:55.360 because it's just seen as blasphemous.

01:14:57.960 in britain so it's not right and proper is it i know but i'm a hellraiser the only one that

01:15:03.780 you're cheating josh is yourself can anyone suggest a recipe making use of 414 000 kit kats

01:15:10.780 asking for a friend anyone want anything from the fridge oil shortage kit kat shortage

01:15:18.620 when it rains it pours yeah that one's familiar i really like this with yeah

01:15:24.720 Ryanair

01:15:26.300 what the hell 0.75

01:15:26.820 yeah 0.94

01:15:27.460 you know that

01:15:28.220 Ryanair have changed

01:15:29.580 their Twitter account now

01:15:30.600 apparently

01:15:31.700 or was that an April Fool's joke

01:15:33.220 I don't know

01:15:33.640 are they like a meme account now

01:15:35.400 maybe they could spend

01:15:36.520 a bit more money

01:15:37.040 on some actual

01:15:37.920 comfortable seats

01:15:38.740 rather than on their

01:15:39.420 social media manager

01:15:40.240 I do that

01:15:40.760 yeah

01:15:41.320 just saying

01:15:42.600 Domino's Pizza says

01:15:44.240 we would like to share

01:15:45.020 our thoughts and condolences

01:15:46.140 with KitKat

01:15:46.860 following the recent

01:15:47.660 news

01:15:48.800 on a completely unrelated

01:15:50.280 note

01:15:51.040 we're pleased to announce

01:15:52.100 we'll now be selling

01:15:53.260 a new KitKat pizza

01:15:54.480 so it's basically a feeding frenzy for brand accounts yeah yeah yeah check it out check it

01:16:01.880 out no it's just funny yep where the hell did all these kit cut bars come from

01:16:08.200 either way the criminals are going to end behind bars yeah this is all just just brands making

01:16:16.360 making uh puns now isn't it what is going on here i thought i thought you told me that buzzfeed was

01:16:22.780 shutting down a few years ago josh what's going on oh someone bought them oh bollocks they were

01:16:27.900 gonna shut down and on that bombshell let's get to the rumble ransom video comments all right we

01:16:34.120 got lots of rants for that one interestingly enough oh my god we got loads for that one

01:16:39.860 thank you all very much sigil stone where were the other kit kats going random name i know where

01:16:46.440 the kit kats went after meeting you in real life the cameras work wonders on you josh

01:16:50.780 well thank you

01:16:52.520 I'm sorry that was him not me

01:16:55.780 saying that although I do agree

01:16:57.400 the funny thing is at the start of the live event

01:16:59.740 lots of people said Josh you're shorter than I expected

01:17:01.980 and then at the end of the night people said

01:17:03.460 Josh you're taller than I expected

01:17:04.720 I only got taller than they expected from people

01:17:07.720 it was weird it was like I grew as the night

01:17:09.840 went on and all of a sudden people

01:17:11.640 what happened is as people drank

01:17:13.880 and drank and drank and started slouching

01:17:16.040 and sinking more and more you appeared

01:17:17.860 bigger

01:17:18.280 yes my tolerance to alcohol one supreme there makes sense uh do you want to read them stelios

01:17:23.880 yep okay so that's a random name uh we just read that one sigil stone and above sigil stone says

01:17:29.380 on an unrelated note i have a couple truck trailers in the truck itself for sale recently

01:17:34.280 spray painted looking for offload fast willing to negotiate in exchange for butterfinger buzz

01:17:39.800 yeah i think it's more likely that they're stealing the transportation which has a better

01:17:44.660 ability to be sold on than the kit kats themselves yeah let me it's just amusingly fat

01:17:52.320 bold eagle 1787 says man the economy has gone so bad that kit kat bars are being used as currency

01:17:59.380 now what's next snickers bubble gum where does the madness end i mean these criminals just have

01:18:06.120 their fingers in so many pies these fat criminals the next one uh requires a response from you josh 0.99

01:18:13.060 that's a random name says josh is so fat he falls from both sides of the bed he's so fat 0.98

01:18:19.520 that when he jumps we get an eclipse he's so fat that running around him gives you a loading screen

01:18:25.400 it's all true i don't have a flat stomach i'm actually enormous it's all just an optical

01:18:31.660 illusion and camera trickery i've read that one already segment bold eagle 1787 says uh

01:18:40.500 you should rename yourself to bold eagle for 13 793 sounds like the thieves who took the nutella

01:18:48.060 are spreading out to the other forms of chocolate and candy now i'll see myself out come on

01:18:57.380 since you'll tell 17 so in europe whole semi trailers are disappearing to into thin air

01:19:04.020 meanwhile in the u.s if you get too close to a semi out comes the sword off and you join jimmy

01:19:09.480 hoffer fake tages the surreal twister funny the lores didn't have a tracker are the police having

01:19:17.860 a picnic these are some good retro chocolate shout outs there bold eagle again i like this

01:19:24.360 comment in all seriousness stelios is partially correct i actually partially like it the stolen

01:19:30.240 food can be used to pack a front for the guns drugs etc to get through customs in other countries

01:19:37.160 That's a good point, yeah.

01:19:38.380 The Kit Kats themselves are trackable, so what now?

01:19:41.820 Guess I'll have to eat them.

01:19:43.260 That's a random name again.

01:19:45.000 Josh is so massive, he bends the light like a black hole.

01:19:49.600 Note that he only starts making all of these comments

01:19:52.400 the moment he's back in Quebec or wherever the hell he's from.

01:19:55.860 Yeah, he didn't make these jokes in person, did you, eh?

01:19:58.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:59.320 We have several videos, many videos.

01:20:02.180 Yeah, we've got quite a few.

01:20:04.240 Oh, my God!

01:20:06.140 My laptop's very squeaky.

01:20:07.560 Oh, come on.

01:20:09.180 I suppose all those melted Kit Kats do it in their favours. 0.86

01:20:12.000 Oh, as expected.

01:20:13.220 This is what you missed, Stelios.

01:20:15.400 You're not exactly...

01:20:17.240 By the way, Wiltshire909 mentioned the event was attended by Carl and me and no one else.

01:20:24.040 So we know who the most important cheater after Carl is.

01:20:27.600 No, it's just because you're such a staple of Swindon now.

01:20:31.160 That's way worse than calling me fat.

01:20:33.600 There you go.

01:20:34.600 Way more offended by that.

01:20:36.480 Your average Swindon man. 1.00

01:20:40.220 Lotus Eaters! 0.99

01:20:43.800 Racist! 1.00

01:20:46.400 Misogynist! 0.99

01:20:47.100 Is it just a silent video? 1.00

01:20:49.620 Racist!

01:20:51.000 A lot of dressed in orderly. 0.98

01:20:52.120 Lotus Eaters!

01:20:54.740 Islamophones!

01:20:56.760 Don't they have anything better to do? 1.00

01:20:59.500 Well, actually, a lot of people seemed to have a lot of better things to do,

01:21:03.920 given that the turnout was terrible to be fair i saw lots of people having fun with the counter

01:21:09.720 protesters didn't we see that one yesterday samson no we didn't know we didn't hear that

01:21:16.660 and i'm pretty certain actually looking at the lineup of video files that i've got in front of

01:21:20.820 me that most of these are probably the same as yesterday but you can go ahead anyway and play

01:21:27.520 a few of them uh maybe you've opened yesterday's folder yes it appears that these are the same as

01:21:35.980 yesterday okay all right read some comments in the meantime and we'll get back to the video

01:21:43.780 comments i guess uh peter hitchens smoking all the weed in the world so there's no left for anyone

01:21:50.700 else that is a brilliant name uh the problem with hungary is the same problem the rest of the

01:21:56.020 democratic world shares even if a base government gets power and attempts to fix all the problems

01:22:00.640 come the next election all of that progress could be easily wiped away well i don't think that's

01:22:06.020 necessarily a problem with hungary i think that's just a problem with the way democracy works um

01:22:11.660 yes it's not a dictatorship i think that's the complaint that he's coming with peter hitchens

01:22:16.920 um i i'm not surprised um michael says on josh's segment sounds like magia is a bit of a rupert

01:22:25.740 low type for hungary i wouldn't necessarily put it that way because he's quite pro europe and i

01:22:32.000 think rupert is pro brexit um tired of the corruption and pushed out to the main party

01:22:37.120 um he left willingly from the main party um decides to make his own party and he joined

01:22:42.700 um someone else's party sorry i'm being a real pedant here this is accuracy is good no he joined

01:22:49.320 a pre-existing party but the party has only existed for two years but he joined relatively

01:22:53.380 recently and they made him the leader because of his press releases and the fact he was an

01:22:59.060 insider that turned against them. And as I said, it's a protest party, a sort of coalition of lots

01:23:04.400 of different ideologies. And he says, Ursula von der Leyen may be a bit premature in thinking that 0.65

01:23:10.800 this is a major change. I think that much is certainly true. I think that lots of people

01:23:15.540 were premature in their congratulations and he could, in theory, be worse. Yeah, I think those

01:23:22.100 three bottom videos might be ones that we didn't see yesterday play uh play vadriga's one and we'll

01:23:27.720 see in the meantime he's gone in the meantime janvi says good morning stelios harry and josh

01:23:35.080 hope you enjoyed the live event oh stelios in smashing the place up in excitement

01:23:40.800 um hungary's architecture is definitely beautiful i saw pictures of the parliament building and

01:23:46.460 it's possibly one of the best ones it is and it was based on ours except it's slightly taller

01:23:51.580 than ours um but they did that to commemorate uh i think 1896 or something no commemorate the

01:24:00.460 person who tried to blow up ours exactly no but i think they based some of the architecture on

01:24:04.960 our own out of admiration of our our system which was quite flattering and it's also an incredibly

01:24:10.200 beautiful building um inside and out um i was fortunate enough to have a tour of the parliament

01:24:16.200 building um even behind the scenes and it was you know even like the lifts were the most ornate and 0.61

01:24:23.820 beautiful lifts i'd ever seen lovely um jimbo g josh what radicalized you hungry kitkat thief 0.63

01:24:32.520 what radicalized you i was hungry i am i am the kitkat thief it's here it's i'm out anyway um we

01:24:40.660 only have so much time so maybe read some of the woke away ones oh okay never mind oh this one was

01:24:47.160 one we watched yesterday all right i'm shooting this video as i literally just came home on the

01:24:59.840 evening just wanted to say speakers aren't under the desk anymore they're over there and they are

01:25:09.960 turned on i just checked so it'll be a software thing i think yep we can hear you though

01:25:17.400 strangely enough samson just narrate the video comments to well give me the thing because

01:25:22.060 samson's messing about samson is i don't have anything it's all here no i know give me your

01:25:26.760 computer well this i can't oh sorry samson's messing everything i didn't know what you're

01:25:31.280 asking for all right uh justin b two steps forward one step back each time woke resurges

01:25:36.480 it will move slightly further towards its ultimate goal. Society does not have time to

01:25:40.760 fully correct between resurgences. That is a good point. George Happ, I already wasn't going to watch

01:25:47.060 the Malcolm reboot because of Bryan Cranston, but it figures that it's woke trash. Don't give your 0.98

01:25:51.380 time or money to people who hate you. Agreed. Maria Manzi, wokeness is not dead and buried,

01:25:57.100 rather like all subversive operations. Active measures, it will hide but continue to recruit

01:26:02.240 and promote within organisations useful idiots, unless HR within the state are purged completely, 1.00

01:26:07.460 you will not be dead and buried. 1.00

01:26:09.160 Someone online, Malcolm in the Middle already has a sequel where the dad makes meth.

01:26:14.240 True, well worth your time. 1.00

01:26:16.240 Ewan Baker, the episode where Frances is dressed as a woman is lowest imagining if all of her 0.95

01:26:20.500 kids shouldn't be girls, and then realising she's happy they were all boys. 0.60

01:26:24.420 That's right, and that's the point, isn't it?

01:26:26.100 The fact that, again, taken as way back a decade in time, people taking obvious jokes

01:26:31.940 out of context to make it seem like it was being progressive or something.

01:26:34.980 Believe it or not, about 10 or 15 years ago, someone truing out is not a good thing to anyone.

01:26:39.620 Furious Dan, The Boys is the perfect example of pizza cutter stories. All edge, no point.

01:26:45.540 See what you did there. Butter knife permit registry. Considering Seth Rogen is a producer

01:26:50.020 for The Boys, I'm not surprised about its degeneracy. Invincible is so much better

01:26:53.940 even if he voices Alan. Pretty sure Invincible is also produced by him, perhaps not to the same

01:26:59.060 extent but i'm pretty sure there's a lot of overlap between the creators there

01:27:04.260 either way but then again invincible has robert kirkman's involvement rather than garth enos's

01:27:11.140 starmas new rent boy what do you do with 12 tons of stolen kitkat hold it for ransom of course

01:27:18.580 uh sophie live says honestly they'll probably just sell them either on facebook marketplace

01:27:23.220 which has been rife for reselling of stolen goods for ages and facebook just doesn't care

01:27:29.860 um summer's new rent boy again says remember that time the slam marketed free baby milk formula

01:27:36.580 in developing countries the samples lasted just long enough for the mothers to stop producing milk

01:27:42.260 forcing them to buy the formula once the freebies were over not only this but it required mixing

01:27:47.700 with the unsafe drinking water available to the families leading to much increased infant mortality

01:27:53.200 cool i didn't know nestle were into eugenics that's a good fact justin b says the police

01:27:58.700 the police investigating the kit kat robber robbery are hoping for a break in the case

01:28:04.200 oh you're all getting your dad jokes jordy sourceman says no f no no sorry i i i saw

01:28:14.500 Oh, I saw luck with an F instead of an F.

01:28:19.840 No luck finding them Kit Kats then.

01:28:22.360 It's just the one-sorting enormous Kit Kat, actually.

01:28:25.160 One giant Kit Kat.

01:28:28.120 Anonymy says, in truth, it's probably stolen for money laundering

01:28:31.380 in the minority cornerstones, stores, or whatever they're called in Europe.

01:28:36.260 Lord Inquisitor Hector X.

01:28:38.420 Hello, man.

01:28:39.280 The Fast and Furious saga has fallen on hard times.

01:28:42.180 again he says every kitkat story is breaking news this time every kitkat story is breaking news i

01:28:49.620 like this we need the slob siren and the kitkat thing yeah let's play will it work now

01:28:55.160 i'm shooting this video as i literally just came home monday evening just wanted to say

01:29:02.880 thank you for a lovely evening it was amazing meeting everyone i can't believe there were

01:29:09.320 Actually, people just wanted to talk to me.

01:29:12.600 So I'll try to be better at making video covers

01:29:15.500 because I had a fantastic night.

01:29:18.580 Worth the trip.

01:29:19.980 Thank you, everybody.

01:29:22.420 Thank you very much for flying all the way over, to be honest.

01:29:25.700 I was very surprised people made such, you know,

01:29:28.740 long-distance trips to make it, but it's very flattering.

01:29:31.860 Yeah, it was great meeting you.

01:29:33.500 Absolutely.

01:29:34.260 Thanks, everyone, for the live event.

01:29:35.440 It was a blast.

01:29:36.100 From turning up and seeing the dad's army of protests out front

01:29:38.260 here we have the rusting banana cat

01:29:44.740 rusting as you can tell as you can for a long day of goofing off

01:29:53.540 sorry for my accent but i am trying my hardest to be david netto bruh

01:30:00.060 this is very much like early youtube and it's making me nostalgic this is

01:30:08.260 A really lovely cat.

01:30:10.380 Yeah.

01:30:10.800 That is a very chill cat.

01:30:11.820 If I put something on a cat's head like that.

01:30:13.520 And then shove the camera straight in his face.

01:30:15.920 This looks like a new one.

01:30:34.020 I don't think I've seen loads of this. 0.71

01:30:36.180 I'm going to piss.

01:30:38.260 I'm reminded of Leslie Nielsen

01:30:43.420 Naked Gun

01:30:44.720 This is like

01:30:47.700 therapy 0.90

01:30:49.280 of old England

01:30:50.660 This is wholesome deep England

01:30:52.880 I appreciate this stuff

01:30:54.360 I'm not sure why I noticed this

01:30:58.500 or even where I'm going with the thought

01:31:00.640 but

01:31:02.240 every single one of the BBC articles

01:31:05.420 that discusses the war in Ukraine

01:31:07.140 describes it exactly as the full-scale invasion like why why that specific phrase

01:31:17.240 i'd imagine it's an editorial guideline and they are probably doing it to emphasize what they see

01:31:24.860 as the as the severity of the conflict and also it makes it distinct from in 2014 when they

01:31:32.140 randomly turned up without insignias and just sort of occupied parts of the Crimea and the

01:31:36.800 Donbass and at least that's what I remember. It was such a long time ago that I can't remember

01:31:41.900 what they actually did. I think that's all of the new video comments that we had and we have

01:31:46.420 just run slightly over time so we're going to have to call it there friends. Thank you very

01:31:51.060 much for joining us and we'll see you again tomorrow. Take care.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 14, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1396

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