00:00:39.300When today we'll be discussing Hungary's election and the implications of Orban's defeat.
00:00:44.400Will it be positive? Will it be negative? Is this going to crush Europe?
00:00:47.500How will this change Europe? Very interested to find out.
00:00:50.500I'm going to be asking whether Woke is dead or simply lying in wait,
00:00:54.620given some of the recent developments with shows like Malcolm in the Middle, Euphoria,
00:00:59.040and the boys which has had quite a catastrophic turn against it quite recently and Stelios is
00:01:04.800going to tell us how 12 tons of Kit Kat simply vanishes yeah I'm very excited now we know what
00:01:11.140you're up to at the weekend I had to hide them in my belly we'll talk about that because I'll get
00:01:18.680I'll talk to you about the merchandise analytically oh all right this is going to be a very serious
00:01:25.220podcasts and very serious segments. So let's get straight into it. So the person you're looking at
00:01:31.440on screen at the minute is Viktor Orban and his party Fidesz had been in power for the past 16
00:01:37.400years. He'd won four consecutive elections since 2010 and now he's lost power to the new Tissa
00:01:43.060party which only popped up about two years ago. And this election is actually significant not
00:01:49.080just for Hungary, considering this is a pretty significant change, you know, the same party has
00:01:55.860been ruling for 16 years, but the rest of Europe, because the person who's taking over from him is
00:02:00.600going to be much more pro-European, but with some caveats. There's actually a lot of nuance here
00:02:05.360that lots and lots of people have missed. And thankfully, last month, I spent a week in Hungary
00:02:12.540on a press tour. And so I got to meet lots of government ministers and talk to lots of people,
00:02:17.140think tanks and just people on the street to figure out what they thought and it's given me
00:02:22.220a very good impression of people's attitudes in the country I would like to think and giving me1.00
00:02:28.860a bit more of a nuanced view than some of the slop I have seen online that is saying you know0.75
00:02:34.200it's over it's terrible. Hungary has fallen. Yes and things like that. Not just Hungary the west
00:02:40.060has fallen. You would expect now that, you know, it's someone like Kamala at best, if you just
00:02:49.140check X. Oh, it's so disproportionate. So yes, obviously, Orban's been a notable opponent of
00:02:58.220the EU's agenda for some time. And the newly elected Peter Magyar was originally in Orban's
00:03:04.900party. And in many areas, he seems to at least outwardly hold the same opinions and positions,
00:03:11.440and we'll have to look at it with a bit of nuance before untangling it. But he's certainly more
00:03:17.260favourable towards working with the EU. And considering Orban's government was a bit of a
00:03:22.240thorn in the side of the EU, it will make things easier for the EU to do what it wants, which
00:03:27.480I think from the perspective of, you know, the right, that's not necessarily a good thing.
00:03:33.280And so there are some important distinctions here, because Hungary was blocking many of the excesses, like the EU wants to throw lots and lots of money at Ukraine that Orban was blocking, for example.
00:03:46.280But we'll get to all of this later. I just wanted to talk about what Orban had done in his past 16 years.
00:03:52.820There has been no mass migration to Hungary. I've got an article talking about this that's going to be coming out on the website soon.
00:03:59.500but it's very noticeable in the capital. You feel safe. It's basically just Europeans in the
00:04:08.380capital. I saw maybe two people who weren't European who were on bicycles delivering food
00:04:15.140and I asked about this and this was they have a temporary visa scheme whereby they can only be
00:04:22.080there for one or two years and then they get sent home with no exceptions. It's not a route to
00:04:25.620citizenship. And I've actually heard that Peter Magyar, the guy who's going to become Prime
00:04:30.900Minister, has pushed back against even this, which I think is a good idea. Whether he can do that or
00:04:36.500not is a different thing. Well, I mean, what you were talking about there, the two greatest signs
00:04:42.060of the effects and penetration of mass migration into any country, or at least the starting signs
00:04:46.860of it, should be really recognised as the delivery drivers and corner shops as well. I did see one
00:04:53.100to um african food shops and a turkish barber but it was very limited um so it wasn't to the
00:05:00.420point where it pervades every aspect of society like in britain but it was present and it did
00:05:05.560suggest that more action is needed in my mind um one thing that has been done though is um i was
00:05:12.320told by the person in charge of the border that they had blocked over a million illegals in the
00:05:17.600past seven years at their border because they just do not let people in. And the EU is very
00:05:22.300much against this. In fact, Hungary has refused the EU's refugee settlement scheme, and they're
00:05:29.200fined 1 million euros a day for this by the EU, and it's deducted from some of the money that
00:05:34.380they would otherwise receive. And if Magyar wants to get favourable relations with the EU, this is
00:05:40.680obviously going to be something that they're going to try and push on them. However, they do have,
00:05:44.940I think about 65,000 Ukrainians because they border Ukraine, but also they don't give weapons
00:05:51.280to Ukraine. They just give aid because actually the Ukrainians have been basically persecuting0.75
00:05:58.780the Hungarian minority because there's a large Hungarian diaspora because after World War I,
00:06:05.800the Treaty of Trianon imposed on the opposing side by the Allies gave about two thirds of the
00:06:11.160country's territory to surrounding countries and that included some Hungarians in Ukraine and the
00:06:16.340same legislation that persecuted the ethnic Russians in Ukraine either intentionally or
00:06:22.540most likely unintentionally affected the Hungarians as well and the Fidesz party and many Hungarians
00:06:30.440as well are quite interested in reuniting with their diaspora because obviously there's lots
00:06:35.240of Hungarians outside of their borders and in fact one thing that they've been very good at
00:06:39.560is having special routes to citizenship for ethnic hungarians and so actually they've seen
00:06:44.440more hungarians coming into the country than have been leaving and so they see this as not only
00:06:50.360a way to grow the population without having to rely on mass migration but there are also some
00:06:57.020other things i'll get into but sorry stone outside i just wanted to say that this is the
00:07:00.680hungarian perspective on this or orban's perspective on this because if you listen to other
00:07:05.440people from their neighbouring countries, like the Romanians, they're constantly saying, well,
00:07:09.860there is Hungarian minority here, and we are fine. And just Orban constantly comes along0.96
00:07:15.320and says how we are oppressing them. So not just throwing that to the mix as well.
00:07:20.040There might be, you know, some degree of exaggerating it for political ends. But I
00:07:25.260think the Romanians are a little bit better than the Ukrainians dealing with their minority. And1.00
00:07:30.140I know that the Poles, especially, they're very favourable with Hungary, and they've got a sort
00:07:34.360of positive relationship with one another. But yes, they also have things like tax breaks and
00:07:40.040loans to encourage families to have children. So if you have four children by the age of 40 and
00:07:46.140you're a woman, you will never have to pay tax again. And also they give loans that are equivalent0.82
00:07:50.960to about, I think, 25,000 euros to buy basically your first home to raise a family. And there's
00:07:58.300been noticeable effects on the birth rate as well as the fact that I think that this helps. I think
00:08:02.500this is one way to approach the problem. And it's certainly better than our situation in Britain,
00:08:07.300but I think there are also other ways. I think it's probably better just to reduce the cost of
00:08:11.420living as much as possible and let people pay their own way through things rather than having
00:08:15.980to redistribute money. But it's still better than a lot of Western Europe, that's for sure.
00:08:22.680Also, all band-banned pride parades, and this is something that Magyar has announced he will
00:08:27.860um reverse he said that everyone will have the freedom of association um and so that presumably
00:08:34.180means that pride parades are back on the menu in hungary so this may have an incoming taka podcast
00:08:39.760saying it's just to push gay marriage in hungary i mean would that not be correct no how would it
00:08:47.360not be correct if you're allowing because it is because it isn't the only thing that one may want
00:08:51.900from a new government okay but that would be that would definitely be one of the effects if that's
00:08:58.100what he's uh if that what he said he's going to do it could also explain why elections aren't
00:09:02.840about elections aren't just one issue elections but there have obviously considering that they
00:09:09.340lost and the tisa party have won with a two-thirds majority which is actually not that uncommon in
00:09:14.860the hungarian system just by the way it works there have been a series of problems so one of
00:09:20.420the main things that everyone even the government ministers have brought up when I was talking to
00:09:24.600them was that they've been ruling since 2010 people just have an appetite for change it's a long time
00:09:29.520and so um oh looks like my uh article is up there actually um so yes I've actually uh got an article
00:09:38.120talking about my experiences here Joshua radicalized you it was hungry it was just walking around the
00:09:44.860streets and realizing how safe and at ease everyone was. I was just talking, it's a very
00:09:50.380subjective sort of personal thing. So please do check that out. But basically, they're very
00:09:56.640dependent, they were very dependent on cheap Russian energy. And obviously, when the conflict
00:10:00.260in Ukraine went on, and also Ukraine shut off their pipeline to Hungary, it pushed up the cost
00:10:05.960of energy massively. That was something that was brought up constantly by people. And the cost of
00:10:11.540Living's gone up massively, economic growth has slowed, and this has affected lots of people.
00:10:16.100And obviously, this is something that affects elections.
00:10:18.780And I understand why people would want a change considering these hardships.
00:10:24.860When you've been in power as a party for 16 years, it makes sense that you're accountable for those things.
00:10:32.620Even though there are externalities, there were things that they could have done to soften these.
00:10:37.520If you're very dependent on one country that you're also not very friendly with diplomatically, historically speaking, for energy, that is a bad thing to do.
00:10:47.700Yeah, it's like what the Germans did with Angela Merkel.
00:10:51.380One of the interesting things here, there are two interesting things.
00:10:54.620Number one, it seems that for a long time, lots of, let's say, right-wingers were just focused on economics and they just gave economic arguments.
00:11:04.880And Orban is doing the exact opposite.
00:11:06.580it he was playing the traditionalist card but uh and you know with some sense but he forgot economics
00:11:15.020so perhaps there's a lesson there do not forget economics however tired you are of this it is a
00:11:20.120very important thing and it's something that everyone feels isn't it and if you are getting
00:11:24.240poor if you're pinching pennies more and more that's an obvious thing that affects your vote
00:11:29.280at the ballot box and so um particularly um with things like corruption as well as they're also
00:11:35.080talking about the quality of health care. But the corruption thing was a really big thing,
00:11:39.340actually. And, you know, obviously, take these sorts of things with a pinch of salt. But I
00:11:45.680actually think there's probably some truth to it. This is an article from Politico. Hungary
00:11:50.820is seen as most corrupt country in the EU. And yeah, there are instances of obvious corruption
00:11:56.820visible. Obviously, there's an incentive for the EU to paint them as corrupt because they're a bit
00:12:01.820of a fawn in their side. And there's also an attempt to paint him as a dictator because he's0.58
00:12:09.500filled the branches of government with people that are favourable to him, but they're saying
00:12:13.920that because they're not favourable to them. They don't say, for example, Zelensky is a dictator,
00:12:18.800even though he's arrested his opposition and he's entrenched in power. Of course,
00:12:22.940they're in a war, so it's slightly different, but still. But he did step down peacefully and
00:12:27.740congratulated Peter Magyar pretty early on in the election night. So he stepped down gracefully,
00:12:33.260so I don't think he's a dictator. So that seemed a little bit unfair. However, one thing that
00:12:40.500you don't want if you're trying to avoid allegations of corruption is raiding the
00:12:45.780anti-corruption chief's office. And it was for petty things like...
00:12:53.120What if he is corrupt? What if he's the corrupt one?
00:13:10.380But one of the biggest things that is indisputable,
00:13:14.900and even many government ministers admitted to me,
00:13:17.420yeah, this was a big mistake, was this massive scandal.
00:13:21.600So in 2024, it came to light that a man convicted of covering up the sexual abuse of minors in a children's home was pardoned by then-Hungarian President Caitlin Novak, who was a close Orban ally, basically just, you know, checking off.
00:13:38.880So this led to the resignation of Novak and a lady called Judith Varga, who served as justice minister in the Orban government at the time.
00:13:47.940and Varga just so happens to be the new prime minister's ex-wife. So let's get on to him,
00:13:53.800shall we? Here he is. This is Peter Magyar. So when this happened, he resigned from his position
00:13:59.200he held at two state-run companies and a state-owned bank. And then in a Facebook post,
00:14:04.520he accused the party leadership, which by the way, he'd been a member of the party for 20 years.
00:14:09.940He's working for state-run companies and state-owned banks as well, as hiding behind
00:14:16.220women's skirts because the president and his ex-wife are women and they were basically0.51
00:14:21.720scapegoating them for a failure of the government. He was suggesting that it came from the top0.96
00:14:26.180that this was happening because, of course, it's not a good look to have a large-scale
00:14:30.140child abuse scandal if you're a traditional family-based party.
00:15:39.040Yeah, it's an interesting correlation that we have at least two high-profile cases of these populist parties within Europe behaving this way now.
00:15:46.680Yeah, and I think that actually corruption, you know, closer to the east of Europe and parts of Central Europe is a lot more common.
00:15:55.160No, and of course in Britain, for example, we have legalised our corruption and so we're not exactly washing our hands of it and judging you, it's just that we have a different kind.
00:16:05.540But it is worth mentioning that his ex-wife, understandably bitter, calls him a traitor
00:16:10.240and stands by her comments that he's a domestic abuser and blackmailed her.
00:16:16.980So there are some questions about his character.
00:16:20.480There are some other ones that are a bit more gossipy that I thought for the sake of decency I wouldn't include.
00:16:25.680But they are out there if you want to look for them.
00:16:29.620But let's have a look at what he actually believes, shall we?
00:16:33.120One thing, Josh, sorry, before you start, his name helps. It's like the equivalent of being called Peter English.
00:16:40.480I know, I was thinking that before I came on. Magyar is the name of the Hungarian people, isn't it?
00:16:46.340And it was, you know, how the country was referred to for a long time.
00:16:49.580So part of what he was doing, because he oversaw basically an anti-Orban coalition that included some people on the left, just anyone who would oppose Orban,
00:16:57.680He kept a lot of opinions to himself to keep this disparate coalition together. And also, if you're just saying, listen, I'm basically Orbán minus the corruption, and I'm a bit more pro-European, a bit more anti-Russia, that does appeal to Hungarian voters. And obviously it does because they want a two-thirds majority.
00:17:16.540so a lot of things um are subject to speculation to a degree that isn't necessarily normal but he
00:17:23.000played his cards close to his chest um but he identifies as a pro-european conservative liberal
00:17:28.760if that makes any sense um all the buzzwords at once the thing here is that lots of people were
00:17:35.120very annoyed with who was happy about it yeah they said the soros was happy about it yes you
00:17:41.940von der Leyen was happy about it. I think that's more because he's pro-European. He's not going to
00:17:48.260be as much of a fawn in the side as Orban was. Although there are some things that he said will0.75
00:17:53.840be sticking points with the EU. So it's not entirely that much. And it's also worth mentioning
00:17:58.240as well that in a lot of countries, particularly third world countries, they use anti-corruption as
00:18:03.720an excuse to purge opponents and then install their own friends, which is a form of corruption,
00:18:08.980ironically. So that's worth bearing in mind. We've got to see how this plays out, whether he's
00:18:13.320actually genuine about removing corruption and having a more transparent system or not.
00:18:18.800But he does have a two-thirds majority, so he can legitimately change the constitution and undo
00:18:24.960Orban's legacy if he so wishes. He's also announced his intention to have a two-term limit for
00:18:30.860prime ministers, although this doesn't apply retroactively. And so Orban still could, in
00:18:36.220in theory, win two terms following that. But I think that it's a response to him dominating
00:18:41.240politics for four elections. You know, you make of that what you will. But I've got some direct
00:18:46.580quotes here about his sort of anti-corruption measures. We will do everything to restore the
00:18:52.460rule of law, plural democracy, and the system of checks and balances. A government's job is to
00:18:57.120ensure the independence of the judiciary, the independence of the investigative authorities,
00:19:01.640to provide all possible financial and other resources to carry out their tasks. And I think
00:19:06.740that this is mainly directed at the EU because the EU was objecting to the fact that Hungary wasn't
00:19:11.460very transparent about the way it spent its money, which is part of the reason that the EU is
00:19:16.020withholding it. And so he's signalling, listen, I'm trying to fix it. So pay me that money
00:19:19.880because they've got about 35 billion, I think, euros frozen from the EU. And also another
00:19:29.320important quote is, we choose the Hungarian people. We don't want immigrants. And it's been1.00
00:19:36.040reported that he wants to get rid of the one to two year work visas, mostly used by Indians and
00:19:40.460Filipinos. I was very surprised when I was in the queue to the country. And there were lots of
00:19:44.320Filipinos there. I was like, what are they doing here? Is this like a holiday tour? But no, it's1.00
00:19:49.120guest workers coming to the country. But he wants to do away with that. And in fact,1.00
00:19:54.100uh with echoes of trump he suggested that the filipino workers living in hotels in budapest
00:20:02.180um were eating the ducks and the goldfish from the zoos um which um i can believe it
00:20:10.520i i don't know about this i haven't seen any evidence of it but it seems to suggest that
00:20:16.440did you follow any of those filipinos did you see what you were eating josh i saw a few goldfish
00:20:21.120tails hanging out their mouth but we can't presume that they were all right the the goldfish might
00:20:25.240have jumped in there it's possible maybe they were saving the goldfish in their mouth from drowning
00:20:29.860you know it's entirely possible um but yes um this seems to suggest that he's serious but again
00:20:36.780will the eu and his own party allow him to do this of course his party is a coalition of people
00:20:42.440opposing orban which means that there'll be more left-wing people in there than perhaps himself
00:20:47.640And so I don't know whether he's going to do this, but we'll have to see.
00:20:52.660There's a lot of things that are sort of up in the air.
00:20:56.480But on the EU, one thing he has said since winning is he wants to bring back EU funding to improve the economy,
00:21:04.880but doesn't support fast-tracking ascension to the EU of Ukraine,
00:21:08.120and that Hungary should opt out of the 90 billion loan to Ukraine as Hungary is in a difficult financial situation.
00:21:14.740so i don't think the eu would be too happy about this but at the same time i think there's still
00:21:21.260wiggle room there for them to have a more favorable relationship than orban if you actually
00:21:26.220negotiate with the eu a deal that has some clauses that helps you you can actually make it that's
00:21:34.120what happened with denmark and that's one of the secrets of of danish relative baseness
00:22:08.040Yeah, that's basically what they were saying. And then he was talking about Russian oil, which, of course, was a point of contention. And they say, he says, Russia stays here, Hungary stays here, we'll do everything for diversification. But this does not mean we will decouple. We'll always get oil as cheaply and as safely as possible, which was basically Fidesz's position, which had Orban described as a Russian ally, perhaps unfairly, in my opinion, because I actually spoke at length about the energy situation with many government ministers.
00:22:35.240And they were just like, we've just got to be pragmatic about it. You know, Russia's not going anywhere. And it's better that we have a deal where we get cheap energy out of it than being adversarial and have expensive energy. And they're just like, yeah, it's not ideal. Obviously, we're not friends of Moscow, considering how they ruled over us. But at the same time, we've got to make the best of a bad situation, which I thought was quite pragmatic and quite reasonable relative to the more ideological things.
00:23:00.240And in fact, I've got a quote in the article I wrote talking about how Europe doesn't have the luxury at the minute of being ideological.
00:23:08.880We're not in a situation. We're basically living off of our prior greatness, which I think is a good way of putting it, really.
00:23:17.940And then the final thing I wanted to look at before I wrap up here is just the state of parliament here.
00:23:23.020So, obviously, the TISA party, this is from the Telegraph, to give a correct source, and I think it's a little bit provisional. There's also the people in the provinces outside of Hungary, so the Hungarian minority areas in other countries, also get a vote as well, which take a little bit of a while to come in.
00:23:42.260But it's looking like they've got roughly this two-thirds majority, as far as I'm aware, and then Fidesz still has 55 seats in there, and then the Our Country movement there, which is described as the far right, has six.
00:23:57.200So in theory, at least, all the leaders of the parliamentary parties in Hungary are right-wing.
00:24:03.060Yeah, there don't seem to be communists there.
00:24:06.540No, there doesn't seem to be any explicitly left-wing party in their parliament whatsoever, which is a refreshing thing to see. But of course, it's not that surprising, given their experiences with the Soviet Union, that they're a little bit more resistant to this sort of thing than, say, France, Britain and the like.
00:30:01.260I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I was never convinced by the woke will go away
00:30:08.540argument because you have to look at the function of wokeness.
00:30:11.860it's designed to perfectly dominate a space whether it's politics whether it's your workplace
00:30:18.720it creates completely arbitrary rules and whoever is you know the leader in that space they can
00:30:27.100dominate it and you you separate the population into distinct groups and you make them just you
00:30:34.380create rules that are contradictory i think as long as you separate people within their own0.99
00:30:39.740groups as well yeah young white women who would otherwise be normal and having families then1.00
00:30:44.960decide to designate themselves as some strange uh fairy creature off to the side yeah but it's not
00:30:51.680just that it's not like you have a a heterosexual woman who watches a degenerate so now i found it
00:30:58.700i'm gonna be a butch lesbian it's all it's all part of a larger uh social culture which people
00:31:04.260are exposed to and people are influenced by the sorts of things that they see in films and0.54
00:31:08.640television or else there wouldn't be so much money spent on putting those things it makes it seem more
00:31:13.160normal doesn't it by exposing people to something and and it's a phenomenon in psychology that the
00:31:19.040more familiar you are with something the more likely you are to like it and i think that um as
00:31:23.560long as there are losers in society there will be aspects of wokeness because it's a way of them to
00:31:28.520leverage power and respect you're oppressed you need preferential treatment but i think also that
00:31:34.340there was a peak of wokeness and I think it was on the decline but we should also not expect it
00:31:40.420to go away entirely. We should also see the divisions within the Republican Party and the
00:31:45.540expectations of some that the Democrats might make a return at the midterms would also give
00:31:50.720some motivation to the people behind these kinds of ideologies to start to ramp it back up again
00:31:56.600as there's an ebb and flow. We'll see there is a progressive logic to a lot of it of course but
00:32:01.820back on the 2016 you also have again just like back then people misrepresenting the stuff that
00:32:07.800you used to like to justify why it's being subverted now people pointing out ah well what
00:32:12.400about this from Malcolm in the Middle back in the day he's in a little hula thing this wasn't a joke
00:32:17.640this was them saying I don't know something about society yes goofing around is definitely a statement
00:32:23.460your sexuality look they got one of the male characters to dress as a woman for an episode0.96
00:32:28.100so that means that they were always for gender-bending non-binary rubbish.0.99
00:32:32.680That's not a comedy trope and a thing common in theatre for many years that had no connotation.1.00
00:32:38.620Yeah, just taking the jokes out of context is such a bizarre throwback to this kind of
00:32:43.900culture war debate that was going on 10 years ago, and which again, it's strange how it goes
00:32:49.400away for a little bit, then an old programme, an old franchise that you remember fondly from
00:32:54.560your childhood does this and then it just like it never went away comes right back up and everybody's
00:33:01.260having the same arguments over and over and over again it's quite bizarre but this is when I move0.99
00:33:06.920on to something else because this is just basic this is basic bitch wokeness right this is clear1.00
00:33:11.920and obvious sign of they have taken the thing that you loved and they have made it fake and gay1.00
00:33:17.060which was the whole point of wokeness alongside all of the other broader political uses that it
00:33:22.960has, as Stelios pointed out. But then where is the difference between that and just outright
00:33:30.840degeneracy? Is there a difference in character between this, which has its own 2016 brand of
00:33:39.600wokeness, and this, right? Sidney Sweeney shocks fans by dressing up as a baby in the Euphoria
00:33:47.580trailer. I'm going to turn this down and get that off screen because, frankly, it's gross,
00:33:53.660but is there a difference between that and this kind of weird sexual perversion that is still
00:34:01.420pushed through with HBO programs and has been far more acceptable in HBO programs for a long time?
00:34:09.420Because that has a similar societal effect in kind of normalizing this kind of thing. It has
00:34:14.780the skins effect. I mentioned skins on one of my segments last week where the show argued that oh
00:34:21.100we're trying to bring awareness to the struggles of young people, when in actuality it normalized
00:34:26.780a lot of that behavior for young people and made it seem cool for a lot of them. Josh you're around
00:34:31.740the same age as I am. Did you find that friends of yours who watched skins tried to emulate the
00:34:37.900behavior rather than went oh I've learned a lesson from that? I wasn't friends with people
00:34:42.700that watch skins really good on you thank you but um the people who i knew who did um were pretty
00:34:48.900degenerate people exactly and this is just somebody's screenshot of sam levinson the name
00:34:53.960of the director and creator of the program showing up a few times in the epstein library but that's
00:34:58.340neither here nor there and will definitely not have any relevance to the subject as we carry on
00:35:04.460but people are trying to come up with theories as to why sydney sweeney would agree to this because
00:35:08.180one of the other things that the Euphoria Twitter account put out was saying, oh, a potential
00:35:13.520spoilers screenshot of Sydney Sweeney from the third series, which appears to be in a rather
00:35:18.260horrifying assault position, right? And they're saying that they're trying to humiliate Sydney
00:35:25.200Sweeney for taking part in the jeans ad and presumably the big push of support that she got
00:35:30.380from right-wing figures, including this podcast last year, to which point I would say if you
00:35:35.140actually read anything about her and the show, she's very comfortable with doing this kind of
00:35:39.660thing. This is one of the things that made her famous in the first place is appearing in shows
00:35:43.100like this. And in interviews, she said that she's actually discussed with the creator what she's
00:35:47.720comfortable doing and what she's not comfortable doing. So if you want to say that this is her
00:35:51.580being humiliated by it, that's very strange because she is perfectly okay with this and
00:35:57.060happy to flaunt herself in such a way. And in fact, it is slightly cringeworthy to go back and
00:36:02.360look at all of the fawning praise that even this podcast had towards sydney sweeney i never all last
00:36:07.260year i i i was i was friendly about it for the reason of getting along on the podcast but i0.82
00:36:13.240never thought it was a particularly great idea frankly i mean she's a she's a hot blonde who
00:36:18.720knows that she's that she's hot right yeah but i don't i don't think those of us and i include
00:36:25.060myself in that category who were pro sydney sweeney um were we're doing the sort of intellectual
00:36:34.460i can projection good reasons why you like sydney sweeney stelios yeah but there's a lot a lot of
00:36:40.860people and also let me just say because harry you may not be very familiar with her filmography
00:36:46.200it's not the first movie clearly not familiar it's not the first movie she does where she
00:36:51.740that is completely sexual there's even a movie where she's constantly spying her neighbor
00:36:57.340okay well i i'm aware of the fact that she's familiar with these kinds of roles right which
00:37:03.400is why i'm saying it was very strange for everybody to put her up as some kind of culture
00:37:08.300they weren't putting her on a pedestal we weren't putting her in a pedestal we liked her
00:37:15.160anapologetic stance with respect to something it would be absolutely not a good and i agree with
00:37:21.560I hear, I think we would completely be in agreement here for her to be unapologetic and in saying, no, I'm not going to do this stupid shit here.
00:37:30.700Yes, because, again, it's just you're basically injecting poison into your brain when you watch stuff like this.
00:37:37.720It's not it's not healthy for people to watch so many scenes of horrible things like that happening.
00:37:43.100But the interesting thing is the reaction from the mainstream media to this
00:37:48.500and the kind of schizophrenia that I've seen observed here
00:37:51.560by a left-wing outlet like The Independent, for instance.
00:37:55.900A few last week, posting a review of the show saying that
00:37:59.520Series 3, it's generation-defining, it paints a clear-eyed
00:38:03.160and unflattering portraits of modern America, gives it four stars.
00:38:06.400And then just a few days later, posting about how Euphoria
00:38:09.560has become the most toxic show on television,
00:38:11.960where it also gives a rather damning indictment of the kind of storylines that you see in this
00:38:17.780of basically just being misery porn of just horrible thing after horrible thing happening
00:38:22.760with no real point to it because i'm not a prude i'm not saying that you're not allowed to present
00:38:27.880dark subject matter it's that really then there should be a point to it if you're going to do
00:38:33.160that or else you're just making people it's also very repetitive it's not the one in a you know
00:38:37.920just you know you have an absolute degenerate director who came up with an idea to do some
00:38:42.760oh this seems like an example of a degenerate director it's it happens a lot and i don't think
00:38:48.420that people like it i think it's just degenerate elites or something not necessarily in the in the
00:38:54.960political sense but there are you know there are groups of powerful people who do want this i think
00:39:00.800the worst aspect of it is it becomes like a sort of zeitgeist everyone sort of starts doing this
00:39:06.440and it becomes inescapable if there was a bit of variety at least yeah you know there would0.70
00:39:11.160be some purpose for this sort of thing the message doesn't have to be you have to be a massive whore0.99
00:39:16.200yeah i mean i mean listen to even the the description found in this independent article0.75
00:39:20.360which asks the question does euphoria series 3 need to exist well it's debatable the three
00:39:26.520episodes of eight supplied to journalists are arguably bleaker than anything sam levinson has
00:39:31.800has put his name to you before, with one of the characters, Rue, smuggling drugs in Mexico.
00:39:36.760I thought this was supposed to be like a high school teenager drama, but oh well. Cassie,
00:39:41.980one of the other characters, I think that's Sydney Sweeney, pretending to be a sexy dog
00:39:46.280and baby on OnlyFans, and Hunter Schaefer, who is the would-have-been, could-have-been0.80
00:39:52.600Zelda transsexual, Hunter Schaefer's melancholy jewels working as a sugar baby for a millionaire
00:40:00.880that Levinson has claimed Series 3 is a tribute to cast member Angus Cloud, who died from a drug
00:40:06.400overdose shortly after filming his two-season role as sensitive dealer Fez on the show,
00:40:11.740feels more worrying than it does sweet. That does seem like quite a strange contradiction,
00:40:17.200and the review and this article ends by saying at least we can find solace in the fact that it
00:40:21.380will all be over in eight weeks. It also just sounds, I haven't seen it, so maybe I'm wrong
00:40:25.700here but it all just sounds like an older person's misguided understanding of what young people are
00:40:32.020up to well the question is in that is it that or is it purposeful subversion because sam levinson
00:40:40.400the creator of the show this is not his first time making the show euphoria this is in fact
00:40:47.840his second time, because what Euphoria is, is an American reboot of an Israeli show,
00:40:56.220which Sam Levinson also made, which has some quite stark and interesting details
00:41:03.060that mark it out as very different. So, for instance, as pointed out here, the Israeli
00:41:09.500version of the show, which was from about 14 years ago, had no diversity in the cast. It was
00:41:15.680all Israelis. There was no, as a result of that, race mixing within the television series in
00:41:22.160Israel. There were no transsexuals in the Israeli version, whereas in the American version,
00:41:28.320Sidney Sweeney has sex with black men, and in the American version, the dad of the character Nate0.81
00:41:33.940has sex with a transsexual high schooler, which is all very interesting, isn't it? Given that,0.97
00:41:41.060again, what we're talking about here is the process of normalization. If you were to go
00:41:45.240with an old-fashioned way of describing it, you could call it demoralization. This is putting
00:41:49.880these images in people's faces to make it come across like this is something that everybody does
00:41:55.480and to take away some of the stigma from it, young people watch this and say either, well if they're
00:42:00.980doing it then it's normal, or if people are constantly being presented with this awful
00:42:05.300depiction of the world, they say, well at least if I'm doing something bad I'm either on the same
00:42:10.720level or slightly better than what these television characters are doing. The question being, is this a
00:42:16.520case of the creator, Sam Levinson, changing the material on purpose to cater to what he sees as
00:42:23.320an American audience? Or is this a case where perhaps Israel, at the time, was more restrictive
00:42:28.380with the kinds of things that it would let appear on television? And therefore, he was not able to
00:42:33.800put this kind of similar subversive aspects into the Israeli version of the program.
00:54:22.200Regarding recent press coverage, that's March 29.
00:54:27.480That's really close to April Fool's Day.
00:54:31.100Right, so they are saying we can confirm that 12 tons of KitKat products were stolen while in transit between our factory in central Italy and their destination in Poland.
00:54:41.240We're currently working closely with local authorities and supply chain partners to investigate the good news.
00:54:48.000there are no concerns for consumer safety and supply is not affected there's a couple of
00:54:53.040questions i have here did they weigh the driver before and after um and second of all why would
00:54:59.880you make kit kats in central italy won't they melt you know this is a warm part of the world
00:55:05.020that's true presumably i didn't think of that they don't just have to like speed all of the
00:55:11.860way on a ticking clock i think just a direct line it's just a straight line and a big fast truck
00:55:18.740i think after the resurgimento they did have fridges okay that's true maybe that's to answer
00:55:24.160your question i haven't been to italy a lot or i don't know about the state right so when you
00:55:29.000look at this statement and it's march 29 what comes to mind what's the first thing you're
00:55:36.920gonna think about it's the easter bunny it was an inside job many people thought it was basically
00:55:43.360april's fool's day frank a couple of days early yeah and there were many memes and also there
00:55:52.060was this thing they're saying supply not affected yeah to be fair britain alone probably has a
00:55:59.240strategic kitkat reserve we have them in every shop i'm sorry i like this guy yeah so we'll talk
00:56:05.860of it because there were many memes here and people started uh taking it as a prank but also
00:56:12.160some others didn't take it as a prank and they just said it's it's just hilarious that people
00:56:17.460would uh would just steal so many kit kats it's like you have the these movies in mind when you
00:56:24.920have you have all these gangs going out doing a special op to to steal you know high profile0.66
00:56:31.100people or their family or gold or something and it's kit kat there's a missed opportunity here
00:56:36.840for them releasing a press statement saying a beast criminal still at large this is what this0.58
00:56:42.360is what they should do for oceans 14 look at this here oh my god yeah it's from casa de papel in
00:56:52.620case you haven't watched it here we have walter white and his very annoying wife the main villain
00:56:59.820in breaking bad i just the the context of the rest of this scene it makes it even better because
00:57:04.160she basically just turns to him and says how much is too much i've been told that when i've been
00:57:11.180eating chocolates yeah but turns out it wasn't a prank and they were actually stolen now let's
00:57:20.000see what happened here we have this cnn article by jack guy i mean how can it not be a prank this0.62
00:57:28.380man did it how can it not be a prank you're a cold jack guy he needed he needed it for his you know
00:57:36.100calories to bulk that's what he needed right so they're saying basically a total of 413,793
00:57:44.100kit kat bars were stolen that's a very specific number counted out specifically counted every
00:57:50.640one is traceable so the governments of europe need to coordinate and start tracing these kit
00:57:56.400Don't you think that they have to? It's like more and more money has to pour into Interpol.
00:58:02.320The whole point of the EU is a sphere of trust between member nations.
00:58:07.760How could Italy and the KitKat Corporation trust anyone? Ursula von der Leyen needs to get on this.
00:58:12.880This is blasphemy against the spirit of the EU.
00:58:15.600They need to start treating it like banknotes. You know how some banknotes have little trackers
00:58:21.760embedded in them like fake notes so that if it's stolen in bulk they can follow where it's gone
00:58:27.600this is exactly what they did let's see what happened so the confectionary which is manufactured
00:58:34.100by swiss firm nestle was stolen when the vehicle was distributing the bars along a route running
00:58:40.220from a factory in central italy to poland they said it was turin so that's still um italy isn't
00:58:47.560it italy yeah so it could have been the mafia but it's in the north that's true yeah which
00:58:52.540sounds like a weird flex perhaps not i'm sure italians right now are gonna watch this say no
00:58:59.580it's not just a weird flex it's not just sicilians that have the mafia it's all over italy isn't it
00:59:04.560the vehicle and its contents remain unaccounted for and investigations are ongoing with in close
00:59:10.180collaboration with local authorities and supply chain partners. A total of 413,793 KitKat bars
00:59:19.180were stolen. Each one is traceable using on-pack batch numbers. And KitKat has asked anyone who
00:59:26.920finds a match to alert the company. So imagine you're going to get a KitKat and then you're
00:59:31.420going to scan it and track it and say, let me just see if there... I just like the idea that
00:59:36.440there's tracers on every single one of these and you just like you go around to your illicit black
00:59:41.940market chocolate dealer yeah behind the scenes had the number scraped off like guns in the US
00:59:47.620and you go and buy it and you open the packet and you're about to bite into it like a monster you
00:59:54.380don't even break it because you're a criminal anyway so you're just about to bite all four at
00:59:58.420once and then the SWAT teams descend yeah but I want you to understand the gravity of the situation
01:00:06.360apart from the 12 tons so i i calculated each bar has approximately 155 calories
01:00:14.200so this is a total of 64 million 137 915 calories whoa that's basically my intake for the month to
01:00:24.260put it into perspective i i would doubt this i'm joking really doubt this i don't think you're that
01:00:31.560fat no fat yeah he's actually he's actually underselling it let me put a 64 million uh
01:00:40.400calories into perspective this is a lifetime of food uh for an average adult let's say for an
01:00:46.100average adult this is approximately able to sustain them for 87.8 years i don't think
01:00:53.200you'd want more protein though instead of just fat if you just ate kit kats you're not making