00:03:04.260So, right, a few days ago, Reform announced this new policy on the question of where to put all of the illegals.
00:03:15.300And this is a question, obviously, that both Restore and Reform are going to have to answer,
00:03:21.220given that they're the only parties that actually seem to at least be providing some sort of policy outline
00:03:27.280for the fact that actually these people shouldn't be in our country and do need to be removed.
00:03:31.940I would be remiss not to mention the fact that reform themselves seem to have been begrudgingly dragged to this position, both by the Trump administration, from what it sounds like, because Donald Trump and many of his inner circle were very confused about Nigel Farage's reluctance to just grapple with this question.
00:03:51.260But obviously, because of the current state of Britain and just the sheer number of illegals that have been allowed in at this point, it's a question that any serious person does need to have an answer to.
00:04:02.640And so though I personally don't agree with the policy as outlined here by reform, you know what?
00:04:10.600In fairness, I'm at least glad that we're having the conversation about it, because at least it's forcing us all to have that conversation and try and come to some sense of practical consensus.
00:04:21.260on what the best way to do this is. Now to go through it, so Zia Yusuf a few days ago outlined
00:04:27.660and I'll just read from it, says today we announce a new policy. In order to deport all illegal
00:04:33.100immigrants in Britain, reform will need to detain tens of thousands at a time. True. Migrants will
00:04:39.020not be able to leave these detention centres and each will be held there a couple of weeks before
00:04:43.840being deported. So here's our promise. A reformed government will not put any migration detention
00:04:50.160facilities in any constituency with a Reform MP, nor will it put them where Reform controls a
00:04:57.200council. And of the remaining areas, we will prioritise green-controlled parliamentary
00:05:02.680constituencies and green-controlled councils to locate the detention centres. Put simply,
00:05:10.000if you vote in a Reform council or a Reform MP, we guarantee that you will not have these
00:05:15.520detention centres near to you. If you vote green, there's a good chance that you will.
00:05:21.180And basically they're saying that this is an important exercise in democratic consent. Basically,
00:05:25.700those who majoritively within their constituencies vote for the ideology of open borders,
00:05:32.620they are going to get what, in theory, they are voting for. And those that don't will be keeping
00:05:38.500them as far away as possible. Now, I had some tweets about this a few days ago, and I actually
00:05:45.340got um i openly admit a fair bit of pushback not just from people who welcome to the club yeah
00:05:52.280not just people who are reformed stands but also people who are on our position as well and who
00:05:58.820obviously report restore and so i want to tackle this in good faith because it is something that
00:06:04.800is clearly dividing people and i hope that i can explain some of the reasons why i think that this
00:06:10.700is not um not cohesive it doesn't advance our interests in any way and i think that actually
00:06:17.900when we look at it it would be very disruptive and make the job of deporting the illegals harder
00:06:24.700not easier well just to add my own thoughts before you explain yours um i mean just from a surface
00:06:31.960level read of this looking at it obviously i've heard that this was the thing that reform had
00:06:36.480announced but i'm just looking at this statement i mean more than anything it just comes across
00:06:40.520like a stunt policy this is something to generate headlines we're going to do something shocking and
00:06:46.020divisive and something that will be red meat for our voters because we're going to throw this out
00:06:52.060because oh won't it be funny this sounds like something that you're at your pub with your
00:06:56.960mates and you're drinking and you're coming up with like joke policy ideas what if we put all
00:07:01.060the migrants in the green councils when really what you should be thinking about what is going
00:07:05.420to be most cost effective what is going to be most practical where is it going to be best to
00:07:10.160put these places for like centralizing purposes to make sure that they're as close to exit routes
00:07:16.440as possible and to make it as convenient whereas what are the transport links these are the things
00:07:20.880that you need to be thinking about not necessarily just like let's let's come across as really
00:07:26.060childish vindictive and spiteful against our political enemies i can understand the temptation
00:07:32.200but if you're trying to come across like a mature political party this is not the way to do it it
00:07:38.160might have been a tit-for-tat retaliation to someone like Zach Polanski coming out and saying
00:07:42.560if we're in power we need to create a politics that has no room for the right wing so perhaps
00:07:49.120it was that well you've threatened us we've threatened you I don't think tit-for-tat is
00:07:54.140always a good thing and when people say that well this is about friend enemy people misunderstand
00:07:59.240Carl Schmitt I feel that people have not actually read Carl Schmitt and have instead
00:08:05.080read a mangled interpretation on some twitter thread that they read three years ago and are
00:08:09.920misremembering right now what carl schmidt speaks about the friend enemy distinction of politics is
00:08:14.940that if everything comes down purely to the friend enemy distinction within a state that is when the
00:08:21.480state authority has broken down and that the practice and that politics and society itself
00:08:27.380have reached a no like like have reached a boiling point yeah it's the bad outcome if
00:08:33.400everything just becomes friend enemy it's the fundamental distinction but if everything just
00:08:38.460comes down to that fundamental distinction is viewed through that fundamental distinction
00:08:42.400uh then the state has lost all of its authority to unite people so this is this is kind of like
00:08:48.000the bad end point of political discourse that we've reached right now perhaps some would say
00:08:52.860it's inevitable i i'm not going to celebrate it but even if it was inevitable i still don't think
00:08:58.440that escalation is the way to go forward. But there is an interesting point here as well,
00:09:04.120that just in terms of the general change of the political landscape. So in this recent poll here,
00:09:09.980we can see the Reform UK are on 25% of the vote share as it currently stands, roughly. And you
00:09:17.040can see the Greens down there as the fourth largest party on 15. Now, one of the things that
00:09:22.220I find interesting about this is the fact that Reform have gone straight for just having the
00:09:27.100dialectic and having the dialogue right they're not talking to Labour anymore they're not talking
00:09:31.880to the Conservatives what this has become is a conversation between the two ascendant parties
00:09:36.960and it's going to be very um sort of amusing and frustrating I suppose when we do get closer to
00:09:43.820the general election and because the current the Labour Party and the Tories are as it stands right
00:09:50.840now even though they're about to enter you know an extinction event they're going to be as the
00:09:55.740two major parties put on the pedestal to have the leaders debate and everything even when it's
00:10:00.920obvious that very little of the country actually cares what they have to say and they are free
00:10:06.040falling in real time well if gorton and denton is anything to go by it will be in the next election
00:10:11.420greens versus reform labor hanging on by a thread but a lot of its native constituents
00:10:17.760kind of splitting off between green and reform obviously the islamic vote within labor that's
00:10:23.380been a dead set for years is splitting off to the greens the more white working class vote within
00:10:29.580labor seem to be edging towards reform rather than the greens themselves although that is
00:10:35.200obviously dependent on age demographics conservatives not even really in the conversation
00:10:39.940no not at all um and so another just point to add is that we can see here that restore britain
00:10:45.880are currently on four percent according to this poll though i will just say that this is once again
00:10:50.420than being unprompted. And so it's not. And we've seen that when they are actually prompted,
00:10:56.240they can rise as high as eight or nine. So there is an argument going around that actually
00:11:01.180reform have played a very, very clever hand here, because actually what they have done by putting
00:11:06.360forward this policy is they have exposed the hypocrisy of the left. Now, as you can see here,
00:11:12.420Jeremy Corbyn is one such leftist who took this bait. When he says reform want to round up
00:11:16.900migrants and detain them indefinitely, which, again, is not what they said. They said for a
00:11:22.700few weeks, and even I'm going to be charitable with them on that. The thing is, they don't want
00:11:28.020them to vote. It's like, no, the point is that they do, Jeremy. I appreciate the framing that
00:11:33.600reform are going for here. And again, so yes, absolutely, all of the leftists have taken this
00:11:38.860and just gone, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, not in our neighborhoods and everything. It's like,
00:11:43.520yeah but it's not revealing anything new really like oh the left are hypocrites yeah we know that
00:11:50.000we understand that videos of those people going around refugees welcome marches for years saying
00:11:55.220how many are you taking to your living room where they all go oh no i've not got any room i've seen
00:11:59.720this for years i don't think it's about the cell phone it's about owning the left and say hey you're
00:12:06.400hypocrites. So let me just say what I think about this. I think that that's just a particular policy.
00:12:14.720What remains to be seen is how this policy is going to be integrated into a larger plan. Because
00:12:20.760we have spoken about this before. It's just, this is happening instead of deportation.
00:12:27.060That's one of the things. And there's a question of, is this going to happen indefinitely?
00:14:23.880But what I want to say is here, I think that we have to see how this is going to be integrated in a larger plan of action.
00:14:32.460Again, a lot of what you brought up there is perfectly right.
00:14:35.800And the point of them being detention centers is that they are supposed to be detained, kept within the facilities and then in an orderly way shipped off.
00:14:45.160we assume given what we know about the um the policy as stated right now at which point again
00:14:51.400it brings it back to this just feels like a weird stunt policy to i mean to me because it comes
00:14:58.240across like it's trying to be a it comes across like it's trying to be a threat like you voted
00:15:04.160for this greens so now you get what's coming to you but all it actually ends up being is just a
00:15:09.400facility is used where you don't actually see any of the people it's just kind of in your council
00:15:14.540area and then they're shipped off so if it works as intended these people won't even notice in the
00:15:20.560first place which raises the question why bring it up but the the problem is as well actually what
00:15:26.840you're doing is you're um because even though we're more sensible than this you know and whether
00:15:32.500you're in favor of voting for reform or you're in favor of voting restored the fact of the matter is
00:15:37.660that there are going to be some very very impassioned leftists you know and many of them
00:15:42.960from the Green Party, who think that whether or not Nigel Farage becomes Prime Minister or Rupert
00:15:48.600Lowe, it is basically going to be as if Oswald Mosley just became Prime Minister, right? They
00:15:55.080are going to behave like that. They are going to do that. And so I actually think that it actually
00:16:01.160makes less sense to put them into the Green constituencies. Because let's not forget as well,
00:16:07.080Most of those, like Bristol, Brighton, it'll be parts of London as well, Bradford, many of the cities could go green.
00:16:16.820And if you're putting all of these detention centres in the middle of the cities, then there is a lot of avenues for the Greens to do what they see as taking the fight, being the revolution, taking it to them, and saving these poor, helpless, defenceless migrants who never did anything wrong and are all just asylums.
00:16:34.960So you could potentially see moronic vigilante action.
00:16:37.840You're going to see them blocking roads.
00:16:39.520You're going to see them trying to break them out of the centres.
00:16:42.160There's no knowing how far these people will go
00:16:45.800when they're actually put into this corner.
00:16:49.180And so even though it would, as reform themselves say,
00:16:53.400ideally only be a few weeks, it's like, yeah, but it wouldn't
00:16:58.240if the left organise and consolidate together
00:17:02.400and actually try and hamstring the entire process.
00:17:06.440But from the perspective of a statesman, you don't succumb to blackmail.
00:17:10.960So from the perspective of a statesman, the way you should think is,
00:17:14.180well, they will make the threat of retaliation and organization.
00:17:24.240You're going to use the police in order to do your job.
00:17:28.560and if they're going to disrupt and be unlawful you are going to yes enforce the law but this
00:17:36.900comes down to no all i want to say this pardon me is just that many people are too excessively
00:17:42.820afraid of well what if the left isn't going to be is going to retaliate well by by saying
00:17:49.620because the left is going to retaliate therefore we do nothing it's like succumbing to the blackmail
00:17:54.960but my larger point um when it comes to the left in all of this as well is that actually as this
00:18:02.100post points out here it's like oh well it's democracy you're just basically you're going
00:18:05.440to give the greens what they want and then they're going to give reform what they want it's like i
00:18:08.660don't want to give the greens what they want what i want is for the greens to have to live in a safe
00:18:15.640homogenous prosperous nation right that's what i want i want them to get the thing that they
00:18:21.700actually dread and that all of us are working towards you want that you want that thing where
00:18:25.780they step outside and the the countryside's not being paved over ironically for the greens
00:18:29.980um and everybody is english and getting along with one another and you just see them what
00:18:34.920wailing in agony at the horror of it all just like oh the horror it's safe and everyone's like
00:18:41.760merry i went to my local indian and it was run by englishmen for the sake of time i will just
00:18:48.040say as well that i have seen that before it's an interesting site uh so like with ben leo here he
00:18:54.820says well it's amazing how the word detention is being lost on so many people i.e they will be
00:18:59.880detained and not able to leave i'd say for reasons of my own i think that the left will try and break
00:19:06.000these people out and also as well if they're in the cities it means that they're going to find it
00:19:10.720much easier to hide than if they're just running around some scottish island right trying to look
00:19:15.940for a dock um but the other point as well is that when you get people like matt goodwin coming out
00:19:20.700and saying well vote green get illegal migration detention centers in your area if you want open
00:19:26.120borders you can now live with the consequences what consequences yeah but there that that's
00:19:31.680where ben leo should talk about the detention if they are going to be detained they aren't going
00:19:36.420to cause what they are causing in other non-green areas because they are going to be detained yeah
00:19:43.180that's the thing it comes across like a threat yes but at the same time if like
00:19:47.660schrodinger's threat yeah matt goodwin even says you could live with the consequences and the
00:19:52.320consequence if everything goes right will just be that um presumably a large facility in your area
00:19:59.260will be used temporarily to hold migrants before they're deported and then nothing bad will happen
00:20:05.780as a so again the whole thing to me just comes across like it's trying to grab headlines for
00:20:11.020the sake of it i mean there's a bit of a the old dennis and always sunny aspect to it to me it's
00:20:15.700like that you know they're not really in any danger or it isn't it's you could also see it
00:20:22.940though as not necessarily a message to greens but a message to prospective reform voters is vote for
00:20:29.980us in order for this whatever to whatever extent it is a disruption doesn't happen in your county
00:20:37.840And so just to wrap up, because I'm sensitive of time, now obviously I'm not going to put a great deal of stock in YouGov polls, but given that it's some of what little data that we actually have on the subject so far, it is interesting to see that when it says, do you think it's acceptable or unacceptable for a government to base decisions that affect individual constituencies on which party people in those constituencies voted for at the general election?
00:21:06.580Now, aside from the fact that actually more seem to be, you know, fewer people seem to be disposed to it than indisposed, the fact that don't know is the highest part of all of this really speaks to something here.
00:21:21.420And I think that this is – I do disagree, Stelios. I think that there is a large part of this which is baked into the idea of wanting to see the left get something that people innately feel that they deserve, right?
00:21:36.920And that is the underlying set of you have these people in your communities. But the thing is, we know what these men are like. We are truthful about the character of the men that come across our shores, and we don't want them here.
00:21:49.740And I worry that if we put them into these constituencies where people are naive to the danger that's possessed, then it's going to result in far more harm than good.
00:22:00.420And another thing as well is that I had one of the things that I was trying to communicate when I posted about it at the beginning of this week was I was saying the fact that I don't want to fight the left's hatred with my own hatred because I actually don't hate the Green Party, the British Green Party members.
00:22:20.000I don't hate them. I pity them. I pity what they've become. I pity the fact that the idea of a sense of purpose, of common people, commonplace, all of this, that just has given people, tribes, nations meaning for time immemorial, just eludes them, that they cannot understand that sense of settledness.
00:22:45.460And the other point as well is that we still have to live with these people, right? Even though all of the illegals will go. Once you deport the illegals, as I hope that either party would do, that really weakens the Green Party because a large part of their platform is built on a ridiculous, unreasonable amount of charity towards foreigners.
00:23:09.580and once you break up those client groups that the greens are trying to target around and once
00:23:15.920you basically take that off the table as a political weapon then you don't need to worry
00:23:20.620about the greens anymore well similarly you would it wouldn't just be the illegals i forget who made
00:23:26.380the point it might have been morgoth or something um somebody has been consistently making the point
00:23:30.980that when people say do you want to deport the illegals and they say yes and that's what they're
00:23:36.400voting for reform for a lot of people are not thinking that illegals are as small of number
00:23:43.460as they are of the overall migration coming to the uk a lot of people think that everybody in
00:23:49.420their neighborhood who is foreign is illegal in one way or another whereas it's actually
00:23:54.080uh under a based regime they would be um um it's actually legal migration that as we've been
00:24:01.880talking about for ages has been the prime mover of demographic change in this country so they
00:24:07.440actually think that they're when you say i'm going to deport all the illegals they'll go back to being
00:24:12.140like a 95 percent english country overnight from doing that but it would it wouldn't it would
00:24:17.340actually also require a large-scale process of of targeted remigration against people who would
00:24:25.060otherwise be about to get say for instance indefinite leave to remain right um and so this
00:24:29.880is that that's something that needs to be addressed as well and that's where i'm a bit sketchy with
00:24:34.520whether reform would actually um conduct such a policy or not um but the other part and it's the
00:24:40.060last thing i'll just say is that i don't look it may be misplaced it may be optimistic but i actually
00:24:46.960don't want to just abandon these green you know actual native british green voters to their worst
00:24:55.180impulses and excesses. I don't want them to get what they want. As I say, I want them to see that
00:25:00.720we were right. I want them to actually see the country that we make, realize that it's more
00:25:06.720peaceful, more prosperous, everyone's getting along better. More green. There's fewer cars on
00:25:14.540the road, all the rest of it, just the whole package. And a part of it as well is baked into
00:25:19.320the fact that part of what we stand for on this side of the aisle is against the sort of Blairite
00:25:25.560vision of British values, right? We actually know that you are British irrespective of what you
00:25:31.200believe. And so even though these Green Party voters are insane, they are still British.
00:25:39.160I think you're correct on this, because it's one thing when we're talking about the Green Party,
00:25:45.240It's one thing to talk about Polanski and Malfin Ali and all those idiots dancing at Trafalgar Square with the strippers.
00:25:54.940But also, it's lots of young people who just vote green just to stick it to the system because they think.
00:26:01.600So it's important to keep a door open, I think, as you say.
00:26:06.280But that said, there is definitely a percentage there that will just not be convinced.
00:28:42.440Some of them may think already that they have a good standing on British society.
00:28:48.100It's just that they hate British society.
00:28:50.940And they may want to say that, well, I'm completely a third worldist now.
00:28:56.360I think that the main engine of progress is the third world, and I want to reshape, that's what they say, not what I say, they want to reshape British society and Western society for this.
00:29:13.540And frequently, this is, again, I think this is basically champagne socialism manifesting in a green way.
00:29:21.340There are always these people, and individually, they may be really well off.
00:29:25.800Yes. But I would just conclude for the sake of time with the fact that by having a restored Britain government, we would actually be able to just break the power of the Greens anyway.
00:29:36.960They wouldn't be able to play apologetics for the Pakistani rape gangs anymore and deflect because we'd have deported them.
00:29:43.920They wouldn't be able to argue on the platform of amnesty for all the illegals because there wouldn't be any.
00:29:49.100And on and on it goes, right, until, you know, the people who, as Rupert himself has said, those who don't speak English, who don't share a language, who don't want to integrate, right, those are people who are eligible to have their British citizenship revoked, and then they will be deported, right? And so all of this just naturally weakens the Greens anyway. And so anyway, we've spoken more than enough on it for now. It's a whole other segment there, but we'll leave it at that, folks.
00:30:15.560we've got quite a few rumble rants for that one thank you all for donating jd key jd sorry folks
00:30:22.740i've not had that much sleep last night j being a father is the most wonderful thing in the world
00:30:27.260but it's not always relaxing j jdk moody 2029 thoughts from the panel on euphoria season three
00:30:37.860and march 2026 seeing more russian casualties than both chechen wars combined uh
00:30:45.000that's i have no thoughts on euphoria season three sorry i will make harry watch it when it
00:30:52.000comes to euphoria season three i can only say i don't even have thoughts on season one head empty
00:30:57.340no one home uh season two head empty no one home season one head empty no one home uh when it comes
00:31:04.440to russia again russia their prevailing war tactic for every war they've ever been involved
00:31:10.580in is just meat grinder just throw as many men into the meat grinder as possible and maybe the
00:31:16.340kill bots will reach their kill limit by the end of it honestly i don't think not many people here
00:31:22.660as far as i'm aware have been paying as much attention to the ukraine war recently just because
00:31:27.480it seems to have been spinning its wheels for a long time but if there are any important updates
00:31:33.100please feel free to let us know so that we can report before we start your segment i want to
00:31:37.680address a comment by dreadnought login on our website he says how are you are you gonna say
00:31:44.160um that sweden has banned the term islamophobia last week i am planning on doing a segment on it
00:31:50.800this week yeah okay great thank you sigil stone harry i'm monitoring the situation
00:31:56.440who's the vampire movie actor joining you today he's terribly unmustachioed i believe
00:32:02.820he played um one of the generals in the death of stalin and lucius malfoy in the harry potter
00:32:09.200films um it's great to have you here today thank you just do the zoo coffee it's like you just
00:32:14.220shaking the medals tom rat 247 the solution as i continue to say is heinleinianism i don't want
00:32:23.940to own the greens but nor do i think they are worthy of a vote one one thing is i do i do think
00:32:29.240it kind of takes you on the wrong path if you approach politics from a vindictive approach
00:32:35.740because it takes your mind off of just the practical matters if you're just going
00:32:41.120how can i mess with the other guys you're not figuring out it's maga the maga the worst kind
00:32:46.760of maga politics isn't it where it's like do this to own the libs it's like crush your enemies
00:32:51.660see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women it's very different
00:32:56.580I know, it sounds cool when you go Conan about it.
00:32:59.140When you go Conan, the thing is, we're not meeting the Greens in a field and, like, killing them to death.
01:03:42.400this is a very important case Stelios where was this the first time did he forget he had witnesses
01:03:51.860there well the other person in the three and maybe maybe he was thinking that as witnesses
01:03:59.200they were going to be they were going to not be comfortable with them having to testify
01:04:06.440And there's an obvious reply to this. Well, why did you just not mention that she tried to do
01:04:14.320this respectively? He does have very graphic details that I can't mention because of platform
01:04:21.160reasons, but they are all described here in media in the articles on Daily Mail and New York Post.
01:04:30.940And here there are several allegations about the threesome.
01:04:34.940They're saying that she was definitely inviting him to a threesome.
01:04:39.180He was saying, no, she was inviting other people to the threesome.
01:04:44.200I mean, technically, if it's more than three, it's, yeah, yeah.
01:04:49.640So this is the man who alleges that this happened.
01:04:53.600Right. So the officers there at J.P. Morgan are saying all these are made up. Lorna Hajdini replies that all these are made up and that he has a history of being a liar. And they found that he basically defrauded J.P. Morgan. He said that his father was dead to get bereavement leave, that he is alive and kicking.
01:05:21.500and spoke to the post this weekend yeah so here is his father he's alive and good thing here is
01:05:29.940ron desantis i'm related to the story yes thank you your post yeah here yeah um here is this man
01:05:40.580shirai urana i presume this is his mother yeah and this is his father so very proud of the son
01:12:29.580jp morgan it's like you know there was also the other me where they were saying that they're
01:12:35.040turning interns like the gimp from paul fiction because allegedly the allegation was that she
01:12:41.240tried to be oh my god this is by luca he geiger capitals has just got accepted for a junior
01:12:50.460position on the leverage finance team at jp morgan and this i mean it was excellent journey
01:12:56.380Yeah. Brother Luca says here, this might be the funniest day I've ever had on this app. It was really funny. And we really had time.
01:13:06.540Yeah. I spent an above average amount of time on X that day. I really did.
01:13:11.200It wasn't that. It was just for two days. Honestly, I felt completely transcending politics. I just wasn't into it. Just all there is is cannons.
01:13:22.940There's 50 shades of JP Morgan, because allegedly he is married and, and the business executive
01:13:43.100allegedly wanted to get him. She really liked to be the, you know, the other in the relationship.
01:13:49.340I really can't stress enough just how allegedly she did this.
01:23:58.320Let's go on with the written comments.
01:24:00.760Yeah, sure. So from my segment, TPPT makes a great point, which is reform's position is that collective punishment for natives based on constituency lines is a good thing.
01:24:12.660But collective punishment for foreign communities that support and cover up the rape gangs is evil.
01:24:18.320Yeah, seems to be the case. He also says on the reform policy, what if they start building the detention centre?
01:24:24.600Then there's a by-election and they vote reforming. Do they stop building it?
01:24:28.520If the Greens say that they'll do every legal action to delay and frustrate building it, what would be the motivation to then vote for reform after they decide to build there?
01:24:39.480Yeah, I think that part of it is there are just too many unpredictable variables when it comes to...