The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1414

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1414 for Friday the 8th of May

00:00:07.200 2026 and what a great day it is ladies and gentlemen I'm joined today by brother Stelios

00:00:13.740 and brother Nick and today we're going to be talking to you all about of course the recent

00:00:18.640 local election results that are now rolling in today as we still speak it's still ongoing so

00:00:24.300 we won't have all of the information but we will certainly enjoy a good helping of salt mining

00:00:29.560 and no doubt, you know, just assess the political lay of the land as it's now falling.

00:00:34.980 We're then going to be talking about Sweden, retiring the term Islamophobia

00:00:38.940 and why this might be a little bit more of a shrewd move

00:00:43.360 than just sort of like the blanket good it might seem on the surface.

00:00:47.860 And then I thought, seeing as we're rolling into the weekend,

00:00:50.640 we'd finish with a nice wholesome segment celebrating the life of Sir David Attenborough

00:00:55.040 on what is his 100th birthday.

00:00:57.760 so with that all said Nick what happened last night all right well what happened and what is

00:01:03.340 happening and what is happening is the death of the union party massive change in the country

00:01:07.740 it's over for Labour and the Tories and we're in a new world a brave new world and it's still going

00:01:12.960 on and because we have quite a few American viewers and things like that I will explain

00:01:16.380 briefly what local elections even are because I've seen some people asking me online essentially

00:01:20.420 it's on one level it's who does your bins yeah it's your very small local area you might even

00:01:24.360 know who the person is you get to the booth you can vote for three people sometimes two or one

00:01:28.660 and you just say okay this is my local councillor but on one level it's about local issues or another

00:01:33.920 it's a protest vote against the government that's quite often what they are they're seen as a bit

00:01:38.320 like midterms but now with all the changes in the country they're actually even more than that and

00:01:42.480 they're indicative of this new change and this complete rejection of the uniparty particularly

00:01:46.420 of labor so that's really what they are and so they're more significant really than they've ever

00:01:50.240 been and that's a sort of overview of what low collections are and they're still rolling in

00:01:54.840 i've got here the bbc these are just sort of the live results at the moment reform is on 439

00:02:00.700 and you see labor 261 they've lost 287 reform have gained 437 so you see the way it's going

00:02:06.460 yeah definitely a massive gain from two they went to 439 yes because they were on two because they

00:02:12.020 are new and and then you see greens are gaining as well as we expected conservatives losing lib

00:02:17.640 dems up a little bit to be honest i'd expect the greens to be a little higher yeah because it

00:02:22.040 depends which seats are related first and they are probably going to go up more but it is mainly

00:02:28.980 about reform winning and we will talk about that and acknowledge that what that means it's also

00:02:33.980 mainly about labor losing starma was projected and labor to lose perhaps even 1800 perhaps even 1900

00:02:39.360 so if they lose anything less than that they'll probably try and claim it as like a pathetic

00:02:43.020 victory right it wasn't as bad as we thought because some people even set up to 2000 so they

00:02:48.040 knew it was going to be very bad and it is bad everything that's been coming in is that it's

00:02:51.300 probably even worse than many of them thought labor parties like that that guy in uh monty

00:02:56.100 python's holy grail where he's on the back of like the case i'm not dead it's like oh yeah

00:03:01.020 yeah and one word that keeps coming up is apocalyptic so this was quite interesting uh

00:03:05.780 this was on sky and sam coat uh talked about it it's quite good for an overview of how bad it was

00:03:12.400 let's just see it's meant to be at 1 32 but it's not so i'll just get it to there sure uh

00:03:17.620 so the whole thing is actually quite good but because we've got limited time let's just go to

00:03:23.640 about here and see what he had to say this was in the middle of the night changed um this is

00:03:30.480 a pretty apocalyptic result from what we've seen um the maps show that reform uk is wiping out

00:03:39.740 Entire councils winning them ward by ward

00:03:43.480 across all sorts of areas of the North East,

00:03:48.020 including parts where you would expect Labour

00:03:50.840 to at least manage to keep a toehold.

00:03:53.220 I'm thinking of places like Wigan in Greater Manchester.

00:03:56.880 We were just talking about Tameside in Greater Manchester,

00:03:59.900 areas where even the great Labour white hope, Andy Burnham, 0.63

00:04:03.520 might have thought to be able to improve the Labour brand.

00:04:06.280 There is not much evidence of that.

00:04:08.820 Instead, there is just challenge after challenge.

00:04:12.520 We haven't really got to the stage of the evening where we see Green gained in any significant numbers.

00:04:19.220 One council in West London, Richmond, it appears that the Greens actually lost five seats to the Liberal Democrats.

00:04:26.320 That's a bit of a surprise, a little bit of unpicking to see whether that's representative of anything else.

00:04:31.780 But I think that Nigel Farage has come out and declared this part of a revolution.

00:04:37.720 and the real question is where does this leave Keir Starmer

00:04:41.500 as we're now into the early hours of Friday morning

00:04:43.720 because from everything I can see,

00:04:47.160 there is not a delegation about to knock on Number 10's door

00:04:50.160 but the kind of scale of defeats that Labour councillors

00:04:54.320 are enduring up and down England

00:04:56.120 because we've only had the English votes

00:04:58.260 is really painful and seismic

00:05:01.340 and an emotional spasm may yet prompt some action

00:05:04.540 against the Prime Minister, even though...

00:05:06.360 all right painful seismic apocalyptic that's what it is for labor i mean what must these past few

00:05:12.540 weeks have been like if you were like a labor campaigner an unironic oh i believe in labor

00:05:17.900 just getting i mean the whole process of campaigning must have felt like something

00:05:21.660 akin to a death march yeah and we'll talk about that how unpopular starmer is on the doorstep he's

00:05:25.420 radically unpopular um and just a note on the greens as you said there it's not clear yet how

00:05:30.840 well they are going to do is it because the seats are still coming in but zach plenty has been

00:05:35.620 damaged by saying that the police were wrong to take out the guy who'd stabbed people in gold

00:05:41.400 as green the way they did it was too brutal he lost massive popularity there and it turns out

00:05:45.580 he was unqualified in his hypnotherapy as well he didn't have the license and so that's obviously

00:05:50.160 upset people and running on gaza in local elections it's not clear how well that actually

00:05:55.200 does it does well with hardcore muslim voters sure that's their main thing but it doesn't

00:05:59.820 necessarily do that well so we're yet to see if the greens will have quite the bounce that people

00:06:03.120 said but certainly reform have one thing that's quite funny about starmer is he's competing with

00:06:08.560 his own terrible record so although these are really bad for starmer 2025 was also incredibly

00:06:15.060 bad so i was saying to you just before the show one of the very unlikely and strange defenses

00:06:19.260 starmer could make is we've got to put this into context i was even worse last time all right

00:06:23.080 he could still now this is ongoing so he may top that but like he did terribly so he has one of the

00:06:29.000 Worst local election records of modern PMs.

00:06:30.700 There he is.

00:06:31.500 It's about a share of councillors' losses

00:06:33.060 and a portion of defences, 66% in 2025,

00:06:36.540 which even beat Brown in 2009.

00:06:39.260 And very unpopular people, major Rishi Sunak.

00:06:42.720 And then you see Starmer now is here,

00:06:44.880 but he could still go up.

00:06:45.820 So total disaster for Starmer,

00:06:48.000 any way you look at it.

00:06:49.340 But he was bad already.

00:06:50.780 This one's quite interesting

00:06:51.920 because it's John McDonnell,

00:06:54.560 who was a big guy in Labour under Corbyn,

00:06:56.500 because he's a Corbyn guy,

00:06:57.440 and he's still sort of knocking around,

00:06:58.500 of causing trouble for Starmer.

00:07:00.280 And he talks about why it's so bad for them,

00:07:02.340 not just in the parliamentary party,

00:07:05.020 but on the ground,

00:07:06.040 how Labour's just based their grassroots

00:07:08.080 is in danger of being completely destroyed.

00:07:10.420 They work so hard, they do the best they can.

00:07:13.540 And I'm sorry this has happened to you.

00:07:16.560 This is a nightmare.

00:07:18.120 It's my worst nightmare, actually,

00:07:19.400 in terms of politics this year.

00:07:21.740 Your worst nightmare?

00:07:23.040 Electrally, it is, yeah.

00:07:24.400 Because we lose our base.

00:07:26.820 to win elections.

00:07:28.460 Worse than 2019?

00:07:29.800 Oh, yeah, I think so.

00:07:31.520 In terms of, look, we got hammered then,

00:07:34.600 and I was part of that,

00:07:36.440 but we thought, well, we'll pick ourselves up.

00:07:38.740 I supported Becky Long-Bailey to be leader.

00:07:41.400 She didn't get it.

00:07:42.240 Keir got it.

00:07:43.340 And I said, he's democratically elected,

00:07:45.540 therefore give this man his chance

00:07:47.240 and all the rest of it.

00:07:48.380 We win that election on the basis of promising change.

00:07:51.840 Now the level of disillusionment means

00:07:53.840 this isn't just a risk to losing

00:07:56.220 a Labour government

00:07:57.660 we could lose the Labour party

00:08:00.200 now that sounds like an exaggeration

00:08:01.960 but if you look at what's happening to us

00:08:03.700 we're losing our base within the community

00:08:06.440 our membership has dropped

00:08:08.420 at least by half

00:08:10.300 the people who are going out and working

00:08:12.280 on the ground are no longer there

00:08:13.880 once you start losing that grassroots

00:08:16.120 base of your organisation

00:08:18.000 and structure, you're threatened in your very

00:08:20.300 existence

00:08:20.860 existential for Labour

00:08:23.260 because who are their natural constituency this is the problem that all the parties are facing

00:08:27.220 all the old loyalties are gone yeah it used to be in the northy voting labor working class that's

00:08:32.160 gone to reform well but and before that as well it totally broke during brexit as well with the

00:08:36.920 red wall just collapsed and even though they uh lent their uh votes to boris johnson at the time

00:08:43.260 who was unworthy of them and totally betrayed them and all of us on every issue i suppose it's that

00:08:49.280 thing that but at least it showed that actually that old way of thinking well oh i'm voting this

00:08:54.520 way because my grandfather did and that's just where we're from and that's that that that paradigm

00:08:59.120 is just gone yeah that people will look for other parties to vote for now yes and the big thing is

00:09:05.200 no one's safe there is no because the new the new loyalties are yet to be built so no one knows

00:09:10.480 what's going to happen it's yes all that's gone doesn't matter how your grand voted all that's

00:09:14.540 gone reform that's where people are now that's not going to be loyal either it's all about who

00:09:18.780 can actually make change who can actually break the status quo and break the uniparty that's all

00:09:22.560 anyone cares about yeah and they finally caught up the normie has finally begun to hate one thing

00:09:26.580 about this as well yeah what john mcdonald's saying because this was another point as well

00:09:30.660 so when labour came in the other year and they won in the election there was everyone was saying

00:09:36.000 at the time it's like well that's going to be the death of the labour party but like you know

00:09:39.800 before mcdonald's like oh and this has just come out and this is how things are now it's like yeah

00:09:43.680 We were all saying this earlier on, John.

00:09:45.800 Like, this is not some new insight.

00:09:47.600 We all knew that the situation for the unit party had become so untenable,

00:09:53.280 like the dissatisfaction had never been stronger.

00:09:56.380 And actually, it was suicide for Labour to even want to inherit the political system

00:10:03.560 after 14 years of what the Tories did to it.

00:10:06.440 Because you knew they were not going to do anything to help to save it. 1.00

00:10:10.280 They were too stupid. 0.99

00:10:10.960 I want to ask something here because it seems to me that there are several ways in which the term uniparty is being used. Do you mean Labour and Conservatives? 1.00

00:10:21.460 Yes.

00:10:22.160 Okay, then in that case, it's absolutely yes. There are numbers that plummeting.

00:10:25.780 You can then use it in the context of, oh, reform turn out to be just a uniparty.

00:10:29.220 Yeah, because...

00:10:29.960 It generally means that Tories and Conservatives, but it can mean anyone who then joins it. I mean, Lib Dems are also part of it.

00:10:35.360 Okay, because let me just factor in this, that there are some people for whom every party that governs will be a uniparty.

00:10:44.180 Yes, I mean Tories and Labour with the caveat, when you say, oh, they're just uniparty, that means they're not really the change from Tories and Labour, but it generally means.

00:10:53.880 I like the fact because every polls we encounter are a reminder that the Tories exist.

00:11:02.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:03.520 i completely forget that yeah yeah you see their numbers are plummeting they no one believes that

00:11:08.960 they have anything to offer well i've been saying that can be a bit like paddy ashtown which is an

00:11:13.280 old school reference because he was very well liked but he was leader of a minor party and

00:11:17.200 kemi she might be quite that level yet but she's her ratings are increasing but the tories ratings

00:11:22.720 are going down this is a problem she has but the last thing i want to mention is i think that

00:11:26.960 people are overestimating the greens they're a protest party i think a very significant amount of

00:11:33.200 voters who voted green here are going to vote Labour again down in the next general election.

00:11:39.760 It's a protest party and between now and then Polanski will be interviewed again. 0.64

00:11:44.320 He's going to be ridiculous in it and people are going to notice.

00:11:48.800 Yeah, well he's got a background of being a sort of quite anti-Corbynite Lib Dem. 0.92

00:11:52.320 Now he's pushing full Corbynite far-left politics. As you say, not even a hypnotist it turns out.

00:11:58.000 uh very questionable background in many ways and also yeah saying that the police were too strong

00:12:03.600 his instincts are terrible his political instincts are not good and he just every interview does as

00:12:08.000 you say loses because people see what he's like and many it turns out from focus groups a lot of

00:12:11.840 voters think the greens are still about the whales and dolphins they just haven't updated their 0.95

00:12:16.000 software and as soon as they see what they are like oh it's islamism that's that's the problem

00:12:20.800 though because there are many we forget especially those of us who are very very too much online

00:12:26.720 who forget that most people aren't and there's a tremendous lag and i will say this i'm sure

00:12:32.560 you've experienced this have you ever shown things to to people who aren't and they can't blind and

00:12:39.760 maybe they get temporarily enraged and you think yeah okay suddenly there they see sense and next

00:12:45.200 day you'll see them acting as if you didn't as if nothing happened it's like with the men in black

00:12:49.920 Back to sports ball. Yeah, exactly. And this is why I'm calling this the normie begins to hate

00:12:57.380 because they're finally catching up. This has been the problem for years. But finally the voters

00:13:02.940 have said, right, no more of you then. Labour was the last chance. It was the loveless landslide.

00:13:07.340 It was, as you sort of alluded to before, it's like, all right, we hate the Tories. We'll give

00:13:10.500 you one last go because we don't really know what else there is. And there wasn't anything really

00:13:13.320 reforming new. And it was like, it was very quickly, now we hate you. And it was over almost

00:13:18.360 immediately for Labour so that it is the death of the union party and oh yeah Starmer is a big

00:13:23.320 problem because Starmer I put this out at 2 55 a.m just my election madness but um Starmer this is

00:13:30.520 Scarlett Maguire for Merlin strategy you're a creature of the night I know it's posting bangers

00:13:35.920 in the night um always on 24 7 anyway this just gives you an idea how bad Starmer does on the

00:13:44.860 all step when you sit in focus groups which are can be such a valuable thing to do just listening

00:13:49.580 at length to voters talking about why they make the decisions that they make what was the one or

00:13:55.220 two things that came across most strongly to you i think the first thing that came across the most

00:14:00.060 strongly um was the um the level of dislike for keir starmer and that was true across the voting

00:14:07.280 spectrum um so from your sort of progressive left all the way to your populist right or whatever you

00:14:12.060 want to call it uh voters were damning about keir starmer and it was the same words that were coming

00:14:16.780 up over and over again weak primarily but then also words like liar as well and they saw the

00:14:22.560 government as characterized by u-turns there you go so and i've said a few things like why is he so

00:14:28.800 uniquely hated it's a whole podcast on its own but bureaucratic arrogant lacks integrity cold and

00:14:33.320 inhuman worships international law to an absurd degree thinks everything's about process and

00:14:37.700 underlying all that is the fact that he hates british people this is this is the case i mean

00:14:41.440 people even on the doorstep mentioned his free glasses and things you know he got the freebies

00:14:46.120 lack of integrity there mandelson total lack of integrity throwing people under the bus

00:14:49.940 so there's no real redeeming features thinks everything's a process wants to get campaigns

00:14:54.880 around the world to bring it get horrible killers off the hook or used to do that now he does

00:14:59.980 things like releasing uh you know criminals from jail south port just the list goes on and on and

00:15:05.700 on right and now he wants assisted that there's nothing redeeming there jury trials yes there's

00:15:11.000 Yeah, exactly. And Southport, we'll get on to, because I think that was a big one for him.

00:15:14.480 But so people, it's just a type that we sort of like certain types in Britain. One type

00:15:18.480 that does quite well is the Toad of Toad, the whole thing that Farage tries to go for.

00:15:21.900 The other is a kind of more aristocratic thing. Maybe you sort of got to, maybe even Rupert

00:15:25.500 Lowe a little bit, maybe Jacob Rees. There's different types. Boris, although he's hated

00:15:30.420 now for the Boris wave, this is a type that appeals to British people. But Starmer is

00:15:35.200 a type we recognize, but as a villain, he's the sniveling, jobs-worth bureaucrat that

00:15:39.400 we just hate he's part of he's part of british sort of you know sort of mythos or whatever like

00:15:45.420 folk culture like but he'll be in a movie getting a wedgie he's the guy yeah right exactly he's hated

00:15:51.020 we don't like that bureaucrat person but we recognize them um but starmer of course luckily

00:15:56.560 has got it all and he totally gets it and has totally absorbed all these lessons uh not as

00:16:01.340 they used to say we made a number of pools which were the right pools in terms of stabilizing the

00:16:08.160 economy, investing in our public services and not getting dragged into the Iran war.

00:16:13.500 But we also made unnecessary mistakes. And my job now is to set out the steps that we

00:16:18.440 will take to bring about the change that people want and deserve.

00:16:22.560 I have to be clear, you are not going to resign.

00:16:24.920 No, I'm not going to walk away and plunge the country into chaos. We were elected to

00:16:30.700 deal with these challenges and that's what we will do.

00:16:34.200 ed milliband asked you to set out a timetable for your departure well i think uh ed milliband

00:16:39.420 has dealt with this and made absolutely clear that he supports me what do you say to those in

00:16:44.000 your party that are really upset with huh too quiet can yeah yeah yeah i thought it's always

00:16:50.400 like yeah i can the thing is right it's like yeah but you you've suffered kia an absolutely

00:16:55.300 cataclysmic defeat so when you say about the fact that oh yes and you know we we just need to get

00:17:00.840 on with giving the people what they want it's like yeah but are you the guy best positioned to

00:17:06.180 understand what the people want because it seems like the point is that you're way off the radar

00:17:11.820 of what people's concerns are here nothing said there was false they don't want what you weren't

00:17:16.940 re-elected to do anything you elected on a protest vote against the tories no one likes what you have

00:17:20.240 to offer ed milliband is planning to get rid of you he's talked to starmer and said let's do it

00:17:24.920 gently and let's have a time scale for when you leave because he has a lot of influence in the

00:17:29.180 party so he can say that john mcdonald was saying well they should do a similar thing he's done it's

00:17:33.420 just a question of when but he he doesn't get it and says no i'm totally fine i'm not going start

00:17:38.260 i said to you before so it'll it'll end eventually the world will just be starmer and cockroaches

00:17:42.420 it'll be like it's i'm still here there's no one left it's just me a volcanic rock it's like yeah

00:17:47.980 it's the old tumbleweed blowing through it'll be fine i'll be like i'm still going to deliver the

00:17:52.700 changes that you want starmer there's no one here like you're in an apocalyptic landscape

00:17:55.560 but he just will never get it it's incredible really it's incredible it's a certain quality

00:17:59.840 i suppose so one quality has is a kind of ridiculous stubbornness total lack of self-awareness

00:18:04.860 the thing is as well i remember back to um i think it was just a recent quote as well certainly

00:18:09.700 within the past month where he talked about the fact that what the what the elections are going

00:18:14.540 to be about he was more he was less talking about the local elections and more the upcoming general

00:18:19.060 election in 2029 but he was he actually rightly said this is going to be really a referendum

00:18:25.780 on british identity you know that's what all of this is coming to in the end what does it mean

00:18:32.560 to be british because from starmer's point of view it's literally just anyone in here with a

00:18:38.160 passport and they're threatened with an amount of privilege and defense from the institutions that

00:18:44.580 we mere second-class citizen English prebs on the outside are just not given you know a likelihood

00:18:51.720 to get so yeah he believes in globalist Britain he famously prefers Davos over Westminster he has

00:18:57.020 said that and all he's lying is calling reform divisive and hateful whilst being obviously

00:19:01.460 divisive and hateful himself it's okay when they do it but it's okay when they it's okay when they

00:19:05.860 do I know that's all he's got but it's like oh no not division it's like yeah but I don't want

00:19:10.780 to stand with you right right like that's the point it disgusts me and you what you stand for

00:19:16.540 you explicitly don't stand with us in every possible metric so yes i mean someone to be

00:19:21.940 fair to kemi she actually is playing quite well the i'm just being sensible thing she doesn't

00:19:25.320 constantly insult everyone star is not even sensible the hiring mandelson is not sensible

00:19:29.740 what he did after southport is not sensible and we'll see but here he says people are still

00:19:33.820 frustrated their lives aren't changing fast enough it's completely the wrong lesson it's 0.88

00:19:38.280 completely opposite lives are changing too fast yes immigration towns unrecognizable cost of living

00:19:44.080 can't buy a house like no things have changed way too much demographic collapse it's like

00:19:48.300 complete wrong message and one thing that even john mcdonald mentioned chris bryant when they

00:19:53.140 he was on the telly last night all the labor people they came out and said well we're trying

00:19:56.740 to get our message across about renters rights and employment rights but no one's really the

00:20:01.120 starting things outweighing it's like those are also crap policies one of them makes renting

00:20:05.560 impossible and makes it impossible for landlords and reduces the amount of houses out there the

00:20:09.660 other one makes it impossible for employees to hire anyone so unemployment has gone up so even 0.93

00:20:13.800 the policies that you're a flagship for you are crap it's like what are you doing i got quite 0.74

00:20:17.840 angry um haven't slept burnside sums it up here the british people are sending us a message we're 0.99

00:20:22.600 listening they want us to go further and faster which is why we're rolling out breakfast clubs

00:20:25.800 to workplaces speeding up asylum approvals and building more mosques than ever if i never hear

00:20:30.340 the phrase breakfast club again i'll be quite happy because the amount of times there with

00:20:34.280 breakfast clubs i don't even know what it is i refuse to learn what it is but i eventually

00:20:38.180 figured out what it is it's like for you know people to eat kids to get breakfast who couldn't

00:20:41.800 but it's like stop saying breakfast clubs it's a minor thing relatively you know it's like

00:20:45.620 they're so bereft of any ideas diane abbott rare w there is a myth very widely held in labor that

00:20:52.700 we we've achieved a huge popular victory in 2024 under starmer in fact we won 9.7 million votes

00:20:59.740 over three million fewer than in 2017 and half a million less than the disastrous 2019 poll we won

00:21:05.240 because the tories imploded in 2024 completely true even the mass is on point yes the mass is

00:21:10.100 there she hates you know what they say about broken clocks yeah yeah um diana can't read the

00:21:15.540 time the only thing i've heard is the only time i've heard her saying something sensible it was

00:21:19.800 this plus when she stood up and attacked starmer in parliament recently and said no one cares about

00:21:23.740 process those were the two and they were both she's gone by her hatred of starmer yeah adds

00:21:28.320 like 20 iq points go on diane i'm rooting for you go on an interesting point for ferris we will get

00:21:34.720 on to reform i don't want to be like trying to underplay it reform have absolutely crushed these

00:21:37.960 there's no doubt but carl just sent me this one before which is quite interesting farage risks

00:21:41.580 believing what starmer believed when he won in 2024 people are voting against starmer not for

00:21:45.460 farage nadine zahari or robert jenry and there is something in that and i'll get on to that more at

00:21:48.980 the end it's people are lending their votes at the moment there's no loyalty at the moment but for

00:21:53.520 And now, former riding high, Mary Harrington, quite interesting.

00:21:57.340 Labour bet the farm on a coalition of white working class, NGO students and Islamists. 0.78

00:22:01.140 Now the white working class is bidding them for reform. 0.76

00:22:04.220 Students are bidding them for the Greens and the Islamists are bidding them for assorted clan grift candidates. 0.88

00:22:08.280 Basically just leaves the NGOs oops. 0.85

00:22:09.880 I saw recent statistics.

00:22:12.820 Apparently the Muslim share of the vote for Labour has gone down from 80% to 38%.

00:22:18.880 So it's absolutely fell off a cliff.

00:22:21.180 I mean, obviously a lot of it has gone to the Greens.

00:22:23.060 and the independents and so on but this is what you get you know this to go back to the whole you

00:22:28.980 know start of the blairite project and oh we're going to rub the rights noses in diversity and

00:22:33.840 everything it's like it's like and now it's destroying your party because those groups are 0.74

00:22:38.700 again like like the red wall working class voters those groups that you thought oh they're foreigners 0.78

00:22:43.320 they'll just vote for us regardless it doesn't matter it's like actually something will come

00:22:47.760 along some wedge issue yeah that will take them away from you who is the natural labor voter now

00:22:52.400 it's basically my football team which is uh blokes in london who are sort of professional

00:22:57.680 class sort of blob or blob adjacent and that's which means sort of civil service but also bbc and

00:23:03.460 all these things financial institutions again there's like a very small it's actually a small

00:23:07.260 group and new labor was always a small group john mcdonald's not going to move out in labor is he

00:23:11.980 no no exactly and i know it's elite theory you always have a small organized minority but new

00:23:16.240 labor was never popular really blair sold it he kind of went off the back of thatcherism he did a

00:23:20.140 lot of stealth reforms yeah it's never really been a popular thing like the working class don't like

00:23:24.060 it the Tory type people don't like it like who actually likes it it's not been popular but what

00:23:28.380 it has been is just locked in by the system itself sounds strange to say because it's Blair managed

00:23:33.120 to achieve massive victories but the actual new Labour philosophy you kind of had to smuggle it

00:23:38.100 in it's not really a popular philosophy it wasn't honest no and the Labour the Labour party don't

00:23:42.560 like it which is the pressure that Starmer's facing they want for the leftism anyway so who

00:23:47.060 who are labor now so claire fox drive me mad all commentators sorry commentators all focusing on

00:23:53.440 should starman stay or should he go completely missed the point you may embody popular loathing

00:23:57.320 for labor but this is a deeper rejection of a whole political elite that sneered at demonized

00:24:01.440 patronized millions of voters for too long yes boom and it's the it's the entire attitude of

00:24:06.380 the labor party itself there's no one to replace starman there's no one who could do it better than

00:24:10.480 he could there's no one who's going to save this it's over it's done it's just some flailing in

00:24:16.100 the final match of the boxing fight you know up against it and just sweating and then falling

00:24:21.140 apart the reason they're done is who else reyner same problem miliband we've even tried him before

00:24:26.540 burnham might do better because people don't know what he's like still not an mp better no no and

00:24:31.180 starmer tried to block him and if he tries to block him again he's in more trouble yeah i have

00:24:35.040 a question because that's what you know that's what i ask myself every time i hear starmer speak

00:24:41.920 have you seen any other politician expressing weakness to such an extent maybe there are

00:24:48.780 probably there are but he's unbelievably weak yeah it has really no redeeming features except this

00:24:55.200 cockroach stubbornness to just plow on and never be that's the only thing he's got i think which

00:25:00.820 comes from a lack of self-awareness um oh it's me um i didn't i forgot i put that in i'll put you

00:25:08.280 like just this was another one of my 2 30 a.m bangers so starmer said to all the labor members

00:25:16.280 and it's just a star message like delusional thinking that together we build a stronger and

00:25:19.980 fairer britain i just said you're done and you've brought your party down with you and you deserve

00:25:23.180 it for your hatred of the british people you deserve it for southport alone and i don't think

00:25:26.980 he's ever recovered from southport and this was the reason i put that in is it was confirmed here

00:25:30.740 by james hartville who was also talking to annunziata who was talking about southport and

00:25:35.820 he said this is the truth Labour's poll collapse dates sorry Labour's poll collapse dates from the

00:25:41.360 Southport killings yes why because the Labour Party was seen to be protecting the killer's

00:25:44.940 identity while criminalising the people who are angry at the massacre Wiesmog is right Labour

00:25:48.500 still don't understand its error and I said at the time this is a disaster this moral disaster

00:25:53.540 is a terrible attack on the British people it's also not going to go down well and the media

00:25:57.360 nonsense message at the time MSM was oh he's handled this well because he's put some people

00:26:01.940 in jail it's like he hasn't handled it well he sided with a foreign child murderer and he's put

00:26:06.000 British people in prison this is absolutely and what happened is the times put out a thing I

00:26:09.580 couldn't find out but it was it was a little it had a little graph you could click on like all

00:26:13.380 these little data points and it was how aware are people of this policy and how much do they like it 0.98

00:26:17.900 the absolute worst one was winter fuel which was a disaster flavor stupid policy saves a small 0.99

00:26:22.440 amount of money yeah but everyone just thinks you're freezing old people to death and that 0.98

00:26:25.980 was the most awareness and the most hatred there was a terrible policy but one of them was south

00:26:30.040 people hated the way they handled that the the conventional wisdom was good it wasn't good

00:26:34.440 it was terrible but again even that just to go back to the winter fuel allowance it just takes

00:26:39.440 across the entire thing it's like oh we're going to cut off the winter fuel allowance for the

00:26:42.740 pensioners um because we we need to cut somewhere we need to cut cut cut it's like okay why don't 0.61

00:26:48.240 you start here with the welfare for the foreigners right why don't we just start there wouldn't that 0.56

00:26:54.960 lighten the burden a bit but no we're going to penalize the pensioners in all of this yeah and 0.65

00:27:01.220 it's interesting that southport just didn't work for them how could it how could it it was a really

00:27:06.740 tone deaf moment as soon as he got in south what happened and he was done yeah you know what was

00:27:11.800 really interesting with southport was that in that case he acted like an ideologue he had the golden

00:27:18.020 opportunity to be the you know the classic boring politician who's going to mediate between the two 0.83

00:27:23.580 communities and he just instantly made it about you know the muslims feel bad yeah i'm gonna the

00:27:29.880 state sides with the muslims do you know what i wasn't gonna say so i just i've just remembered

00:27:33.240 that was a crazy thing he did i mean you would expect him from any other like talking blazer

00:27:40.280 or something to go there and you know act like the diplomat talking in platitudes abstract thing 0.76

00:27:46.700 he just went straight forward and said yeah far right thuggery the state sides with the muslims 0.74

00:27:52.160 And even with that, so you burnt any goodwill that you had, you know, just inherited it by coming into power.

00:28:00.180 You know, if there were some people going, well, at least it's not Truss and Sunak and Boris, you know,

00:28:04.700 let's just give him a chance, maybe he'll be better, you know, just like from a normie perspective.

00:28:09.580 And it's like, OK, but then Southport comes along and he basically says, right, OK, I'm going to protect the Muslims

00:28:14.880 because they're my voter block, they're my client group, and they're not even that anymore.

00:28:19.260 And children had died.

00:28:20.420 Yeah, and children died.

00:28:21.700 people were angry and i remember being on gb news and i was hosting and they wanted me to say that

00:28:25.220 the people protesting southport were far right and they kept nagging me to say it so i said okay some

00:28:29.220 of them might have been because there's always that one guy with a nazi tattoo but they kept

00:28:31.780 telling me to say it again i wouldn't i wouldn't and they took me off hosting i never hosted again

00:28:36.420 because i wouldn't the people's channel wouldn't wanted me to say that the southport protests were

00:28:40.500 these far right people i was like i just don't believe it and people's channel wanted you to

00:28:43.940 condemn the people right and every other channel's doing and i wouldn't do it and then and i never

00:28:48.260 hosted again i found out later that was the reason right and then if you look at it the police later

00:28:53.060 agreed with me and said it wasn't these organized far-right groups the the lie was they were busting

00:28:57.060 in these far-right groups it was genuine feeling from people who just had enough they said it was

00:29:01.380 this organized far-right thing on the whole it definitely wasn't and even the police agreed with 0.96

00:29:04.900 me so star was also completely wrong so a disaster and just well scumbag anyway so on the reform

00:29:11.620 thing although i hate to share matt goodwin's gloating tweets we have to acknowledge reform 0.87

00:29:16.020 have done and only because of time we're not going to get say much about it but reform have

00:29:19.000 obviously crushed it yeah now to some degree even like people like me have had to consider do i vote

00:29:23.900 reform because even people like angloid who's a sort of lotus here sure yeah he said fan he said

00:29:28.740 um you know vote reform locally because they might defect to a store but also the base are sort of

00:29:33.940 more based than the some of the front bench are a bit questionable and you know it's council level

00:29:39.520 and there's something in that and i think he did make a strong argument you look at who's there

00:29:42.380 you're like green labour Tory reform you're like okay you're basically like have they got a vaguely

00:29:46.640 pronounceable name are they vaguely on the right these are kind of the options you're dealing with

00:29:49.820 it's a bit touch and go isn't it in some constituencies sometimes in my constituency

00:29:53.860 reform and green have pronounceable names where Labour and Tories didn't I'm like right what do

00:29:58.080 I do with this yeah so it's and Goodwin points out though they're winning the north Lisa Nandy

00:30:02.940 waking up to see 24 or 25 seats in her area of Wigan go to reform Angela Rayner wake up to see

00:30:07.720 18 to 19 seats of tempside go reform so if labor think the answer is to relax immigration eight

00:30:12.920 the greens have no idea what's going on there oh and these and andy it's like oh you get the round

00:30:16.840 of applause when you're on question time and the bbc have got a controlled environment for you but

00:30:21.480 get out there and it's like and reform are just destroying you yeah but honestly just ask yourself

00:30:25.960 what what do they stand for who labor that's the question they only stand for open borders nhs

00:30:34.840 spending should get back in the eu globalization yes and also inheritance tax yeah what do i get

00:30:41.800 rid of private what do they stand for they say small business they seem to exactly he's correct

00:30:46.920 on this they seem to want to show themselves greener than the greens right even even when

00:30:53.240 the green uh the greens were scoring better at polls when they were dancing you know at trafalgar

00:31:00.920 square and they were dancing with uh you know the all the male strippers and stuff and the gimps

00:31:08.200 they labor started saying we need to we need to start talking about a summer campaign for 0.99

00:31:15.800 for sex toys and sex toys oh yeah that woman yeah nesbit yeah awful yeah obviously that messaging 0.99

00:31:23.080 cut through just insane the stuff i know yes please we're british the campaign yeah i know 0.99

00:31:28.600 i know the stuff they focus on is absolutely crazy what do they believe in anymore they seem to attack

00:31:33.000 virtually they if they find a different group is it small business we attack you is it pay to attack

00:31:37.480 you is it the north you know like everyone they hate everyone it's like who's left yeah it's

00:31:41.720 instant it's madness um yeah and uh james hartfield says to aaron bastani he's missing the key element

00:31:48.680 it's reform that's beaten labor in these elections labor is losing support for policies bastani

00:31:52.280 helped to put in labor's manifesto like liberal immigration policies and net zero which the north

00:31:55.960 just doesn't want it's a little bit more complicated because there's something from

00:31:58.760 persuasion uk i couldn't find it but john mcdonald quoted it which is that every for every 10 labor

00:32:04.360 every seat 10 seats labor lose to reform they lose 16 to greens lib dems etc so who are they

00:32:10.200 really losing it to they're basically losing from all sides to varying degrees they're losing to

00:32:13.960 greens on some of the gaza stuff yes and they're losing to working reform on anything like working

00:32:19.720 class and traditional so it's a bit of both um quite interesting madam reform sweeping and the

00:32:25.560 the rise of muslim independence are both direct consequences of mass immigration we'll see some 0.96

00:32:29.280 highly paid broadcasters do their best to dance around this very obvious truth so that's the new 0.70

00:32:33.000 post-immigration politics sectarian politics tories little quick mention because they won back jewels

00:32:37.940 in the crown they won back wandsworth and westminster and wandsworth is so tory even back

00:32:43.160 when i was at university many moons ago i lived in wandsworth for a few years yeah we the first

00:32:48.100 posh people i met were at university one of them was a guy called jasper and he'd wear like sports

00:32:52.160 hoodies like they do he had a badge keep onesworth conservative really you know what onesworth was

00:32:56.220 i was like okay well i mean his work's been paying off 20 years ago but like so so kemi's

00:33:02.940 claiming these limited victory it's not the total wipeout for the tories i think as i've said she's

00:33:06.740 like the leader of a minor party now that's semi-well liked um what's this one for those

00:33:13.300 who remember the tories some of them sorry did they actually try to turn it into a win

00:33:19.340 they lost 100 how many did they lose i haven't it was ongoing but it wasn't as bad as labor so we

00:33:25.880 won yeah they won a constituency i don't know if we have time to play it but i was going to just

00:33:29.700 end on this from uh lee kane who's a former boris guy communications director but now he does

00:33:35.660 polling and things and he just points out that really this is a new landscape where people are

00:33:40.980 voting for someone new anyone that can achieve change and it's very temporary if if reform don't

00:33:46.660 to do it, they'll move on again.

00:33:47.660 Of all the findings, it's the one that surprised us the most.

00:33:50.940 We saw that almost one in seven people who have left the Tories and Labor to go to insurgent

00:33:57.660 parties, if you will, of reform and the Greens said, only one in seven said they would think

00:34:02.460 about returning.

00:34:03.460 The others no longer see it as an option.

00:34:05.180 I think if you look inside both parties and particularly the Conservatives, there's this

00:34:09.320 view that people will go and they'll see reform and they'll sample it, the same with the Greens

00:34:13.480 that these parties will fail and they'll all come back home to the traditional parties.

00:34:17.660 But these voters were telling us that's not what they intend to do.

00:34:21.060 They feel that they've given both parties their trust in their vote time and time again.

00:34:26.360 They've been let down by the fact that they haven't given them the change that they want.

00:34:29.640 So they are looking elsewhere.

00:34:30.840 And I think we've seen now a large proportion of the electorate permanently abandoning the

00:34:36.520 Conservative Party and the Labour Party, which is obviously going to be a huge change for our politics.

00:34:42.140 But are those people permanently signing up to reform or green?

00:34:48.040 No, and I think that's the thing that's quite interesting with it.

00:34:51.220 While there are some who say that they will stick with greens and reform,

00:34:56.620 others have said if they don't deliver the sort of change that I hope for,

00:35:01.240 I may stop voting or, importantly, I'll keep looking for a new party.

00:35:06.620 And I think that element's quite interesting because things like Restore, for example,

00:35:10.220 people will start again to flirt and move over that way and I think people are very open-minded

00:35:15.400 that they will keep searching for change they will keep looking for parties that can deliver for them

00:35:19.840 it's not that these parties are particularly popular in this search they just think all

00:35:24.960 parties are going to let them down and they're very open-minded to looking for other opportunities

00:35:28.920 boom so there it is so it's a chance for a store a little bit disappointing in the way that they

00:35:33.460 didn't get going earlier because there was so much appetite to get rid of these main parties that

00:35:37.220 they could have got a lot of votes and as we speak great yarmouth is still unfolding and a lot

00:35:41.940 a lot still to play for but that's basically it from lee kane is it for the time being i'm happy

00:35:46.860 for the labor and conservative parties to just get what they deserve yeah it's over for them

00:35:51.080 people are looking for new parties they're going with reform for now but if reform mess up they'll

00:35:54.620 move on again because finally the normie has begun to hate and he's done with the old parties

00:35:59.140 sorry for going over it was no it's an important thing to discuss all right i'll just uh quickly

00:36:04.500 go through the rumble rants uh where forgot so uh octal says did anyone hear about miss zimbabwe

00:36:10.740 and the social media fallout of the winner i did not but maybe that's something amusing to look

00:36:15.860 into hapsification says i've been trying to find the results of great yarmouth but haven't found

00:36:20.320 anything yet well i believe the counting started at 11 a.m so it may be that i just checked and

00:36:26.420 the latest update was it's still going on right so we just simply don't know yet but uh we have

00:36:31.120 a good feeling about it uh base date for two dollars thank you says i'm not in the habit of

00:36:35.360 defending polanski but if you go to a hypnotist to get your cannons upgraded i feel like you

00:36:40.940 probably don't deserve to have money i mean it's a fair point isn't it uh that's a random name says

00:36:46.720 as reform keeps slumping and restore keep rising how likely will it be that reform counselors flip

00:36:52.940 to restore well i imagine that the likelihood uh for you know there's a likelihood for some of them

00:36:59.440 But the important point is that Restore don't just take everyone that's coming, right?

00:37:05.540 There needs to be some proper entryism and vetting,

00:37:08.180 which there seems to have been actually thus far, which is encouraging. 1.00

00:37:12.180 Spring Mage says, Bojack, Bojack, the double dades. Nice. 0.95

00:37:16.980 And Brother Stelios, Brother Luca from Fortien Barber says,

00:37:21.680 have a wonderful weekend ahead. The restoration is ahead.

00:37:25.420 But not me.

00:37:25.960 Fortien Barber.

00:37:26.520 Obviously hates me.

00:37:27.160 I suppose it's just implicit. 0.99

00:37:28.520 brother nick gets also some of our love nothing no nothing busting my ass for no reason 0.97

00:37:34.020 go on then um if we could go to the next uh segment harry thank you no no harry yeah let's 0.83

00:37:40.540 start with this one yeah i'll use the i'll use technology thanks right so you may have heard

00:37:48.000 that sweden has banned islamophobia i think that this is big news but um it in a way it's kind of

00:37:56.800 like schrodinger's ban it is and it isn't it's not always as it seems um yeah but that said it's

00:38:03.620 not that uh significant discourse hasn't occurred and people haven't actually said things that

00:38:10.740 should have been said and couldn't they couldn't say before they have but um yeah well let's let's

00:38:16.960 look at what happened because it's a very complex story right there is this article by the brussels

00:38:23.020 This is the Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs, Maria Malmö Stenergaard, and they're saying

00:38:29.860 that Swedish government drops concept of Islamophobia.

00:38:33.600 So when people are talking about banning Islamophobia, they're not talking about penalizing the use

00:38:40.740 of the word.

00:38:41.740 They're essentially saying that the government is not going to use the term on its official

00:38:47.640 documents, especially when it comes to legislation.

00:38:51.260 Now, on a first notice, that's good.

00:38:55.620 It's not bad.

00:38:56.700 It's definitely not bad.

00:38:57.780 The question is, how good is it?

00:38:59.800 And whether they're taking one step forward and then they're going to take another step backward.

00:39:04.740 You'll see why I'm going to say this.

00:39:06.400 So the reasons that they gave are reasons that we're very well aware of.

00:39:11.620 They have to do and they revolve around the fact that the concept of Islamophobia is giving an excuse for people,

00:39:20.220 both muslims and far leftists to start demonizing people who are criticizing islam

00:39:26.340 and this blurs the lines and it completely destroys free speech

00:39:30.760 and it completely blurs the lines between actual criticism of a religion actual criticism of a

00:39:39.380 particular doctrine which is part and parcel of being a free member of a free society

00:39:46.060 and a democratic society as well.

00:39:49.640 Christopher Hitchens called it out many years ago.

00:39:51.680 He said they've already been choosing the term,

00:39:53.360 you won't be able to use it soon,

00:39:54.740 you'll be called a bigot instead of legitimate criticism.

00:39:57.240 He would never be on the left these days.

00:39:58.880 He wouldn't be able to survive on the left.

00:40:00.020 No, and I think that even late in his career,

00:40:03.840 he left the left in a way.

00:40:05.580 To some degree, yeah.

00:40:06.280 Yes.

00:40:06.960 So the reasons that they gave are reasons

00:40:10.640 that we have mentioned several times on the podcast.

00:40:14.440 as I said they frequently revolve around free speech and the chilling impact of the use of

00:40:20.100 this word as a conversation stopper so I'm not going to focus much more on this but I will say

00:40:26.200 this there seems to be a difference between us talking about it here when criticizing an

00:40:34.060 establishment that doesn't talk about it and when people from the political world are talking about

00:40:41.940 it. So this is something good. That said, there is also something that I consider to

00:40:47.640 be a bit of a bad thing and something that is an occasion for sorrow is that we occasionally

00:40:55.320 hear European leaders say the obvious decades down the line and saying it within the context

00:41:03.520 of trying to argue that nothing is to be done about this. A chief example is Friedrich

00:41:09.780 Mertz, the Chancellor of Germany. He suddenly had an epiphany that destroying all your nuclear 0.61

00:41:17.540 plants is not a good thing for your economy and for your energy sector and your energy dependency,

00:41:24.100 and he said it in the spirit of, but it's too late to do anything about it. I'm happy that

00:41:29.460 the Swedes aren't doing this. Let us look a bit what they're saying. Sweden's government

00:41:34.980 has formally abandoned the term Islamophobia in its official communications and policy documents,

00:41:41.300 describing the concept as problematic and potentially harmful to free speech. Foreign

00:41:47.140 Minister Maria Malmur-Stenergaard announced the decision during a parliamentary debate in late

00:41:53.300 April, marking a clear shift in how the country addresses criticism of Islam and related ideologies.

00:42:00.580 the moderate party minister told parliamentarians that the term risks equating legitimate criticism

00:42:06.980 of religious doctrine or islamist political movements with irrational hatred or anti-muslim

00:42:12.580 racism wow that's almost like what europeans have been saying for decades um yes and they

00:42:20.500 have been trying to explain to our leaders they were being and we have been demonized for saying

00:42:27.140 so yes especially when it comes to terrorist incidents where there is a whole establishment

00:42:34.020 that tries to to to gaslight people initially they are trying to say that

00:42:41.860 the guilty the person who conducted these crimes doesn't fit a particular profile and then they

00:42:49.700 start treating it as an isolated incident that isn't indicative of any sort of wider pattern

00:42:56.100 Whereas the merest criticism of this is treated by the establishment as an indication of a very deep epidemic of far-right extremist hatred and violence.

00:43:08.440 That's the thing, the hubris of telling you, having the goal to tell you how you have to feel about all of this once these terrible things have happened as well.

00:43:18.140 It's like, no, you don't get to decide what I think, how I'm going to mentally react to it.

00:43:23.760 I'm sorry, that's just not something within your power.

00:43:26.100 I was saying to Stelios before we started

00:43:28.280 that Dominic Grieve has been doing this in this country

00:43:30.400 he's a Tory

00:43:31.560 but he's put together this working group

00:43:33.580 who are all Muslim

00:43:34.660 to come up with this definition of anti-Muslim hostility

00:43:38.280 and it's non-statutory

00:43:40.500 it's not even legal

00:43:41.220 so what's it there for?

00:43:42.460 it's just there to nudge and create an atmosphere of intimidation

00:43:45.840 as far as I can see

00:43:46.460 that's all it's there for

00:43:47.540 people like Nick Timothy have done good work countering it

00:43:49.720 but yeah it's constantly put in

00:43:50.820 and anti-Muslim racism

00:43:52.280 I know this is an obvious point

00:43:53.160 meaningless sentence because it's not a race

00:43:55.700 So yes, they always bring that out whenever they want. 0.83

00:43:57.880 That's why I said whether, you know, this is a case of one step forward, one step backwards,

00:44:03.020 because essentially what they're going to do is to say we are not going to use the term

00:44:08.420 Islamophobia, but we are going to use the term anti-Muslim racism.

00:44:12.940 Now, the question is, why don't they apply the same rationale they applied to the concept

00:44:19.860 of Islamophobia to the concept of anti-Muslim racism?

00:44:23.760 And once they do this, they will see that this does have the same effect on free speech.

00:44:30.660 And I will say this, because it seems to me that there is a double standard that Europeans are playing against themselves.

00:44:37.480 And it's time that they stop doing it.

00:44:40.080 If you look at days in the UN, you will see a day combating Islamophobia.

00:44:47.380 You will see a day combating anti-Semitism.

00:44:49.600 but you won't see a day combating christianophobia and christianity is the most persecuted religion

00:44:57.080 on the planet and remains the most persecuted religion of the planet especially in nigeria

00:45:03.120 china egypt you can go on and on india absolutely yeah um and and frequently they are uh persecuted

00:45:11.480 also by muslim extremists and even by secular secular western politicians as well absolutely

00:45:19.560 so i'm in favor of free speech i don't like these terms but if they're gonna these terms

00:45:27.360 are going to be used why the double standard this raises several questions this might be a silly

00:45:33.820 question too much against you but isn't behind all this the whole concept that you can ban hate

00:45:38.220 you can't ban hate as morrissey once said viva hate you're not getting into hate and why oh yeah

00:45:43.440 it's like hate makes the world go round and why can't i hate stuff i do hate loads of stuff it's

00:45:48.220 like as long as i don't commit a crime and act on do anything to that person why can't i even hate 0.52

00:45:52.480 them this is the thing you can't ban hate it's so orwellian on the face of it but that that's the

00:45:57.200 thing and that's why it's absolutely orwellian and arbitrary it's arbitrary it allows those who

00:46:05.100 are in power to arbitrarily choose who they are going to prosecute um and who they aren't and who

00:46:11.820 they're going to allow to get away with it. And the legislative framework that has been used

00:46:19.420 and has been pushed forward in Europe and the West has been a legislative framework that has

00:46:27.560 turned the presumption of innocence to the presumption of guilt. Why? Because if I give

00:46:32.340 you inconsistent rules and I have the power, you're essentially guilty because you are violating

00:46:39.220 something i told you not to do so i can arbitrarily choose how long i will get let you get away with

00:46:47.060 it if i choose to let you get away with it and this is what happens with woke legislation and

00:46:52.740 this is what happens with subjective legislation if laws are don't kill and don't steal we have

00:47:00.580 publicly accessible criteria for verifying or falsifying the statement that someone has

00:47:06.820 violated the rule or not sure but when it comes to subjective elements when it comes to don't hate

00:47:14.420 no one can enter your mind you know it's esoteric it's metaphysical an action is exo-attack it's

00:47:20.600 very clear you you that's why when people say you you kill that person but it was or wasn't a hate

00:47:26.440 crime it's like there probably was an element of hate involved and there's always but it only gets

00:47:29.720 called a hate crime if it's against certain groups yeah but if you do it to white people even if you

00:47:33.400 even if it's so obvious there is anti-white hatred well never a hate crime but it's axel

00:47:37.660 rudicabana wasn't accused of a hate crime right by the authorities and so in the grooming gangs

00:47:42.500 were a hate crime i said it was a non-hate crime incident wasn't even that if you want to go there

00:47:48.340 are the biggest hate crime incident we've ever seen because they're explicitly anti-white yeah

00:47:51.940 and but but i almost say make them all hate crimes and all none but it only gets done one way as we

00:47:57.940 know certain things are hate crimes always aren't i say either ditch it entirely and just say it's

00:48:01.500 either the crime or it's not the crime or if we're going to do this hate thing then it has to be

00:48:05.740 the grooming gang's a hate crime but the thing is even if you were to to genuinely make it an even

00:48:10.680 playing field as you say it doesn't abolish the hate in fact you know one of the things that we

00:48:15.780 found is that actually by being subjected in our own home home country to the idea you have to have

00:48:22.280 a positive opinion about this community you have to feel good about these people yeah they have to

00:48:27.040 work to earn it yeah respect is earned and it's not old it makes it worse and the hate kind of

00:48:31.620 comes from the consequences of their actions like for example i don't hate you nick i seem to think

00:48:37.540 you're actually quite a quite a you know decent fellow but that's because like we actually have

00:48:42.740 positive interactions with right if we don't then obviously it's going to lead to dislike

00:48:49.020 distrust and then eventually hatred if things don't improve especially if people keep coming

00:48:53.600 in saying you know you're not allowed to feel that way about him right it's just absurd that

00:48:57.660 exacerbates it yeah because it's a gaslighting on top of the incident yeah right so let us look at

00:49:04.220 here this is the article from the european conservative sweden finally scraps the concept

00:49:09.800 of islamophobia and they are going to uh change it with anti-muslim racism and anti-muslim hatred

00:49:17.340 Now, my problem with this is that on a first glance, anti-Muslim racism and anti-Muslim hatred are as subjective as Islamophobia is, because hatred and racism, they refer to irreducibly subjective factors.

00:49:36.280 So perhaps the Swedish government should ask themselves why do they think that the rationale they gave to stop using the term Islamophobia in their legislation doesn't apply to anti-Muslim racism or anti-Muslim hatred.

00:49:52.820 That said, because I don't like being sloppy, they will start defining what they mean by it and probably the definitions and what is going to be included in them and what isn't is going to come in the form of a long document that most people aren't going to read.

00:50:15.900 so at the end of the day i'm going to say here the devil is in the details whether this is one step

00:50:22.300 forward or one step forward and then once the backwards remains to be seen when it comes to

00:50:28.780 these um to these details but one thing this is the parliament's choice but there have been people

00:50:37.180 like charlie weemers of the sweden democrats who have been pushing the overton window forward and

00:50:43.820 let me show you some clips here he's talking about he's really talking about it in the eu

00:50:49.340 parliament but also in sweden he is um continuing a conversation that has started lately actually

00:50:57.660 not lately but lately has been reinvigorated especially after rubio and the people in the

00:51:04.380 u.s and trump have started talking about the designating some parts of the muslim brotherhood

00:51:11.100 as a terrorist organization this has definitely led to a push in europe and people like charlie

00:51:19.020 wimmers um to talk about this i'm not saying that he is motivated by rubio or the us that that's not

00:51:26.620 what i mean i'm saying that on both sides of the atlantic there do seem to be rejuvenated attempts

00:51:34.140 reinvigorated attempt to talk about the Muslim Brotherhood and its way of operation.

00:51:41.220 And here he's basically speaking common sense. 0.95

00:51:45.320 And it's a good thing that he actually says it.

00:51:48.540 And let me play this video. 0.99

00:51:52.940 Mr. President, Islamists and Islamic states are attacking free speech in Europe. 1.00

00:51:58.560 And some are waving the white flag. 1.00

00:52:01.020 Denmark's proposed ban on Quran burnings was praised by the Turkish government.

00:52:06.020 The Speaker of the Arab League urged European states and the EU to adopt similar laws.

00:52:12.020 Pakistan called Denmark's bill a step in the right direction.

00:52:16.860 A step, ladies and gentlemen.

00:52:18.880 97% of mosques surveyed in Sweden want more. 1.00

00:52:23.880 They want to criminalize desecration, provocations, and insults of Islamic symbols and values in general. 0.98

00:52:31.400 A giant leap towards Sharia. 0.94

00:52:34.220 Mr. President, if you know the Islamist endgame, the proper response can only be this. 1.00

00:52:40.320 Not one inch. 0.99

00:52:42.240 No appeasement.

00:52:43.860 No submission.

00:52:45.420 No surrender.

00:52:46.780 Never.

00:52:47.640 Now, this isn't the average European speech in the European Parliament.

00:52:52.780 no can't imagine casualis giving a speech like this yes so he is saying here the he has been

00:52:59.100 one of the people in sweden who are really pushing forward for this conversation to be had and also

00:53:04.940 for the for ending the reliance on the notion of islamophobia he says here what you mentioned

00:53:11.820 before nick about hitchens that's the you know the the common sense line islamophobia is a word

00:53:17.660 to silence critics europole must not use it from malmo to marseille islamism expands law enforcement

00:53:24.940 needs clarity not muslim brotherhood slogans designed to shut down scrutiny europoles should

00:53:30.300 not push islamophobia term used to silence criticism critics and this is this is uh correct

00:53:38.140 and as we said then the thing is that what europeans don't get in in uh at large and also 0.82

00:53:46.780 in the parliament some of them do get it but they're evil but i'm going to talk about the

00:53:50.940 other ones is that you cannot have a free and democratic society when you talk about our

00:53:57.500 democracy you cannot have a free and democratic society without having free speech you cannot

00:54:03.500 have a society where that is based on the claim for recognition without recognizing the right of

00:54:10.860 native europeans to dislike a particular religion that isn't native to europe especially when

00:54:18.060 it isn't a religion that when it is a religion that does have its fair share of extremists

00:54:26.060 its fair share of terrorists and especially when lots of terrorist hits when that when members of

00:54:33.820 their religion over-represented in terrorist hits and threats. So these are conversations

00:54:40.940 that absolutely have to be had. And what is chilling is that the EU at the moment,

00:54:50.860 this hub of unelected bureaucrats, not all of them, I'm talking about those who are actually

00:54:56.140 unelected and occupy the top echelons of power, is they really hate European

00:55:03.500 identities oh yeah they really hate european identities and they're penalizing they're

00:55:10.380 penalizing any demand of the natives to be taken seriously and to claim and assert that they do have

00:55:18.620 the right of sovereignty but also the right for recognition in their own lands so europe you know

00:55:25.180 if it is going to be a massive supra national organization it can be it has to be based on

00:55:34.300 an identity and you cannot have an identity that isn't exclusive so if it is going to be a european

00:55:42.140 supra national uh organization that you know that that tries to as they say which i don't say i'm

00:55:51.180 I'm not saying it's a good thing, but if they're trying to sort of decrease the strength that national loyalty has over natives and supplant a new identity for them, that can only be a European identity because identity is fundamentally exclusionary.

00:56:16.940 You cannot have an identity that doesn't exclude anything. So at this moment, the EU is, to a very large extent, occupied by unelected bureaucrats who are pushing in the name of democracy recognition and European identity, something that is absolutely a bomb.

00:56:39.780 especially when you have as you do the the sort of like the the umma and all of the muslims that 0.96

00:56:45.360 have come into europe as well being exactly that an exclusive identity group that are setting

00:56:50.380 themselves up and just making a list of demands of us saying we are not the same of you and we

00:56:56.160 have demands of you that you need to change to be like us and and the europe and the european

00:57:01.360 union is trying to say no no we're all the same here we're all yeah and it's like no but so if

00:57:06.360 we're all the same why are they making these demands i will say this here i think that the

00:57:11.700 people who are more responsible in this case are the europeans who are pushing multiculturalism

00:57:17.580 of course because they can't saying sarah refers yeah they can't be saying to people who come to

00:57:23.540 europe well don't integrate we're evil and then uh expect the others to to integrate yeah they do

00:57:32.800 have an argument and i'm sorry to say in this case say well you are telling us to not integrate you 0.67

00:57:38.960 are telling us you're we you're evil you're telling us that your identity and your culture and your

00:57:44.960 history is demonic yeah so this is fundamentally a european problem when you have multiculturalism

00:57:53.040 you need to have very strong if you are to have multiculturalism and very frequently it's a very

00:57:59.920 problematic endeavor but if you are going to have multiculturalist experiments you have to have

00:58:06.560 very rigid rules and the the europeans seem to be the the unelected bureaucrats of in in brussels

00:58:15.200 seem to be interested only in creating a two-tier system that is treating native europeans as

00:58:21.600 second-class citizens in their own city here again wemers is talking about a report he made

00:58:27.440 he made and collaborated with other people in circulating. 0.75

00:58:32.060 This is the report called Unmasking the Muslim Brotherhood. 0.94

00:58:35.900 And it's a report that he claims shows exactly how Islamists

00:58:41.040 explored the concept of Islamophobia to promote their agenda 0.62

00:58:44.440 and secure EU funding.

00:58:46.040 Here, this is the document.

00:58:50.980 People who want to check it, you can click on the link below.

00:58:55.000 Visit the website or podcast today.

00:58:57.580 You can find the click below.

00:58:59.340 And here, you know, they have the conclusions.

00:59:01.560 And it's interesting.

00:59:03.340 And I'll just read from page 50. 0.94

00:59:05.480 It says, the Muslim Brotherhood and its panoply of offshoots and affiliates 1.00

00:59:09.600 do not champion liberal democracy. 0.99

00:59:12.380 That's the understatement of the year.

00:59:14.640 This just in.

00:59:15.820 Deeper examination of their statements and problematic connections

00:59:19.580 below the suggest the sugar-coated slogans they produce for social media grant applications and

00:59:26.840 pr opportunities makes it evident that their ideology and goals remain essentially unchanged

00:59:32.460 since the time of hassan al-bana and that their strategy follows the rule book laid out by their

00:59:38.620 founder and other influential ideologues such as maududi and al-qaradawi right and they're talking

00:59:46.480 about how this is used in order to mask extremism and how they're infiltrating in in the in europe

00:59:55.120 now what i want to say is that at the end of the day when it comes to when it comes to the

01:00:00.380 discussion of sweden and the concept of and and stop using the concept of islamophobia and

01:00:07.840 legislation there definitely seems to be a discussion going on in sweden that wasn't had

01:00:15.540 before or at least we didn't hear about to the extent that we do right now and there is a push

01:00:21.740 for that discussion to be had in the european parliament and the european union which does

01:00:28.380 seem to indicate a step to the right direction that said again my point stays um switching from

01:00:34.800 one subjective notion to another doesn't change the issue just changes the term and let me just

01:00:42.260 read a bit it also suggests as well that really for the for the swedish authorities who've

01:00:47.800 implemented this it's more of a question of um branding and optics and it is ideology of course

01:00:53.700 and let me just read a bit about this uh report it says wemer's opened the event by highlighting

01:01:01.320 an uncomfortable truth that european taxpayers money is funding organizations that reject the

01:01:07.940 Union's core values of democracy, freedom and equality. Well these are the stated

01:01:12.660 values but they don't seem to be they don't seem to be the actual values and

01:01:18.260 let me just say when it comes to to democracy you can't have a democracy

01:01:22.940 without a demos and the demos stands for the people and you need to have a

01:01:27.800 culture you need to have a really strong really strong degree of cultural

01:01:34.280 continuities in a population that is going to constitute a demos of a functioning democracy

01:01:40.820 you can't have it otherwise this is definitely a conversation that you know politicians don't

01:01:46.600 want to have but it's one that absolutely should be have um well yeah heref sorry no i was just

01:01:52.180 going to say they will have it whether they like it or not and if they don't have it then they will

01:01:57.280 what will happen to them is just what's happening to the labor and conservative parties yeah and

01:02:01.560 the question is uh is it gonna happen down the line 10 20 years down the line and they're gonna

01:02:07.440 do a mertz and say well yeah that wasn't a good idea but it's too late to do anything about it

01:02:12.980 we don't have 20 years after more have died we don't have 20 years yeah no we don't this is a 0.75

01:02:17.560 very costly lesson that you know i don't care they they they shouldn't uh take 20 years to learn

01:02:23.340 they all know already it's not that they have they don't know about it's the it's just that

01:02:27.960 that don't say it. He says, this is not speculation, this is not ideology, this is evidence.

01:02:33.300 Wimas declared, emphasizing the report's forensic analysis on the MB's

01:02:39.740 sprawling network of NGOs, student groups, religious institutions, and lobbying platform.

01:02:47.200 The report argues that MB-affiliated groups have secured funding through programs like Erasmus+,

01:02:53.780 rights equality and citizenship and citizens equality rights and values using these resources

01:02:59.900 to promote separatism anti-semitism and a political religious vision incompatible with

01:03:06.000 liberal democracy i want to say uh this um let me just also read the next we must criticize the

01:03:13.120 muslim brotherhood's wasatia or middleweight doctrine as a tactical facade for gradual

01:03:18.720 islamization and noted links to designated terrorist groups like hamas the mbs palestinian

01:03:24.960 offshoot and i will say this um is it's just glaring to watch all the pro palestine people

01:03:34.600 protesting uh one day and then when trump sort of uh stopped what was going on

01:03:43.560 They stopped protesting, even though there was footage of Hamas killing Palestinians.

01:03:52.780 There was also no protest, no human rights concern when it came to Iranians being killed by the Mullahs and the Mullah regime.

01:04:06.100 So, yeah, I do think that there is something behind this, absolutely. 0.75

01:04:12.120 Absolutely. And you can't explain the double standards there. You have to, in a way, follow the money. So is this going to be one step forward, one step backwards? I don't know. It remains to be seen. But it looks like a conversation is being had that wasn't had before. And this conversation is pushed to be had in the EU.

01:04:36.240 And recently there was a resolution in the EE to toughen up on migration.

01:04:43.560 Of course, passing laws and signing decrees doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to carry on implementing it.

01:04:54.500 But it seems like the discussion that is being had right now isn't the discussion that was being had five years ago.

01:05:02.680 It seems like this is definitely the discussion that the unelected bureaucrats of Europe, of Brussels, would classify as far-right extremism.

01:05:15.020 Yes.

01:05:16.260 All right. For the sake of time, ladies and gentlemen, I'll get to the rumble rants after I've just done my segment.

01:05:23.780 Harry, would you be able to pop it over to mine? Thank you, mate.

01:05:26.420 By the way, three results in for Great Yarmouth. Absolutely crushing victory for Great Yarmouth first.

01:05:32.140 Patriots.

01:05:32.680 well done they're just crushed they're so far ahead of the second candidate in the first three

01:05:36.560 seats fantastic you love to see it all right well a very happy birthday to sir david attenborough

01:05:43.560 national treasure who turns 100 years old today born you know on this day 8th of may all the way

01:05:50.480 back in 1926 and so i think it behoves us to actually just recognize what has been a very

01:05:57.060 extraordinary life really because you know this is a man who has been on television for as long

01:06:03.260 as I've been around for as long as my father has been around and for as long as my grandfather was

01:06:08.120 able to watch television when it was invented in his own time okay so there's a generational aspect

01:06:14.060 here to Sir David Attenborough's work now I just want to say off the bat I recognize the fact that

01:06:21.360 there will be a lot of people who have their own problems with David Attenborough, right? The fact

01:06:27.400 that he's been on stage with Greta Thunberg, the fact that his environmentalism might be a little

01:06:32.720 bit overzealous for them. But I think that we should try and just step back a bit from the

01:06:38.520 actual pure ideology of the man and just look at some of the things that are genuinely worthy of

01:06:44.200 note here. So to just go through some of the basic information, obviously, as I say, he was born 100

01:06:49.820 years ago today in London. But he grew up mainly around Leicester, which I imagine was a very

01:06:55.060 different place back then. His father was Frederick Attenborough, and he was a principal

01:07:00.660 of what later became the University of Leicester. And of course, he had a very, very famous older

01:07:06.200 brother as well, which was, of course, Richard Attenborough, a fantastic actor from Brighton

01:07:11.020 Rock, Jurassic Park, and all those iconic films, and, you know, who was a terrific man in his own

01:07:18.580 right so but the thing is um david attenborough has far more than what we here think of him now

01:07:26.740 is that that wonderful man with that that that sort of classic just gentle soothing voice right

01:07:32.500 he's a wonderful narrator and he does some nature programs as well one thing to remember is that

01:07:37.460 actually he was kind of a pioneer in his own time and now all of the things that we take for granted

01:07:44.260 today when we think of as the modern documentary as certainly when it comes obviously to his own

01:07:50.520 specialist field of naturalism and you know biodiversity and just nature of course you know

01:07:57.920 he had a strong hand in shaping and tailoring how those documentaries were created how they were

01:08:03.680 filmed so he joined the BBC back in 1952 as a trainee producer and at first he actually didn't

01:08:12.840 want to be an on-screen presenter he was more interested in producing just factual programs

01:08:18.220 behind the scenes and his early work included developing an innovative live television

01:08:25.820 programming during the early years so back then of course you know in the very early years it was

01:08:31.660 all very static you know you were always like it was someone in a studio and they were talking to

01:08:36.240 you and the camera wasn't really moving yes zoom into and everything but what they tried to do was

01:08:41.460 So in 1965, Attenborough became controller of the BBC's newly created BBC Two,

01:08:49.720 because we're creative with naming back then.

01:08:52.340 And in this capacity, as it says in Britannica,

01:08:55.500 he helped to launch an ambitious slate of programming,

01:08:58.600 including the dramatic production, the Foresight Saga,

01:09:03.140 and the much landmarked cultural education series

01:09:07.460 as The Ascent of Man and Kenneth Clark's Civilizations.

01:09:11.460 documentaries as well which were some of the greatest documentaries ever put on the BBC

01:09:17.940 this was of course at a time when the BBC was still an institution of great prestige amongst

01:09:24.380 obviously the subversion that I am aware was there at the time but far less they didn't hate the

01:09:30.000 country they were still doing things like commissioning C.S. Lewis to give talks on

01:09:33.220 Christianity to rouse the nation yes very different BBC yeah very different and he also and I hope

01:09:39.480 Carl doesn't discover this information, but he also introduced audiences to a seminal comedy

01:09:46.180 series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, demonstrating a willingness to support bold and unconventional

01:09:53.000 work. So he pushed for more location filming rather than studio-only broadcasts. He also

01:09:59.620 wanted unscripted and observational footage as well, educational programming that was

01:10:05.460 entertaining as well as informative and as i say to use a camera to explore uh places audience had

01:10:12.140 never seen before you know because with the invention of course of camera technology

01:10:16.180 there's a big and beautiful world out there and you know it's been one of the um i think as well

01:10:22.880 for um a lot of people who feel trapped by cityscapes and urban environments and just the

01:10:30.240 ever you know just seeming onslaught of progress that actually david attenborough's documentaries

01:10:36.960 have done a wonder not just here in britain but the world over for still finding magic and

01:10:43.440 enchantment in the natural world making you want to go out there and discover it yourself

01:10:48.340 and i will just say uh just as my own point um far more colorful uh than hollywood seems to be

01:10:56.800 willing to make any of their films today right there's a vibrance to them there's like a real

01:11:01.320 immersion that is kind of wondrous and there's a reason of course in part is why he's been able to

01:11:06.620 do all of this for as long as he has because if we go to here the guinness world book of records

01:11:13.140 they go on to talk about the fact that well up until his most recent series was broadcast a

01:11:20.080 secret garden uh apparently only five days ago uh you know this week the veteran host has been

01:11:26.420 on our screens for a head-spinning span of 72 years, 243 days, obviously beginning, as

01:11:34.100 I said, in 1952. And over the seven-plus decades that would follow, Attenborough has hosted

01:11:40.040 hundreds of series and films that both educate and astound audiences by exploring the wonders

01:11:46.160 of the natural world. For multiple generations, he's become the de facto guiding champion

01:11:51.280 of all matters of nature and then how important it is to preserve it in that way i i kind of saw him

01:11:57.600 as see him as a bit of a um like a british hyo miyazaki you know making his studio ghibli films

01:12:03.960 and um some of the environmentalism that he pushes um but despite all the fame and praise

01:12:10.380 he's never lost sight of the fact that what drew him to the natural world in the first place so

01:12:16.320 his venerable patron of the world land trust fauna and flora the zoological society of london which

01:12:22.960 is of course the oldest zoological society in history and which established itself over um for

01:12:31.580 200 years so i think it's quite a a remarkable legacy really like you can't and one one thing

01:12:40.000 as well i think that's quite remarkable is that even as a young child you know he was just so

01:12:44.860 intoxicated by the wonder of the natural world as a child seven years old looking at insects and

01:12:50.940 for fossils and things and i think there's something very wholesome about finding something

01:12:56.740 magical as a child and actually following through on that passion and devoting your entire life to

01:13:02.640 it um anyway i've just been conscious of the fact that i've probably monologued for about like seven

01:13:07.940 minutes are you gonna cover that when the bbc suddenly decided to get rid of it you had to go

01:13:11.660 other other channels there was that period wasn't there they suddenly didn't they just didn't have

01:13:15.420 to go onto like amazon and things like that he's done like netflix shows yeah i think it was a

01:13:19.740 period where the bbc decided there's a guy called cassian who was one of these bbc guys who decide

01:13:23.980 these things and he said the day of the days of men standing on a hillside telling you how it is 0.98

01:13:29.340 or over of white men particularly there's this stupid phase but like all the good things like 0.99

01:13:34.620 the kenneth uh clark thing and that's where they suddenly decide oh we want to get rid of all that 1.00

01:13:38.460 But I trust old white men standing on the hillside telling me how it is. 0.90

01:13:44.420 That's the best work the BBC's ever done. 0.98

01:13:47.360 That's a formula I don't really want to get away from.

01:13:51.320 So moving on from all of this, I will just say, like I say,

01:13:56.140 yes, there has been a lot to do with his environmentalism

01:13:59.800 and, you know, he's supported a lot of the net zero agendas and everything.

01:14:03.720 But I feel like to simply lay all of this on Sir David Attenborough, it's like these things are already in motion.

01:14:11.320 They've already been decided by people far richer, far more in the shadows and far more influential than Sir David, right?

01:14:18.360 And I can understand why a man who has dedicated himself to looking at the natural world,

01:14:25.420 to his study in environments and ecosystems, would feel threatened by all of this.

01:14:29.740 But at the same time, you know, he does come out with some genuine wisdom as well, where as he had an interview with the Daily Mirror back in 2016, it said the naturalist, who was 90, of course, back then, admitted that the country is experiencing difficulties in the aftermath of the vote to leave the EU. 0.57

01:14:46.200 and he said it's very easy as we all know to be tolerant of minorities until they become

01:14:52.000 majorities and you find yourself a minority it's easy to say oh yes these lovely people 0.98

01:14:57.680 i love the um the way they wear such interesting costumes which for me speaks to a proper old

01:15:03.820 school uh british way of seeing them for oh don't they wear interesting things um but he says but

01:15:10.540 uh that's fine until someday you find out that they're actually telling you what to do and that

01:15:16.440 you've actually taken they've actually taken over the town council and what you thought was your 1.00

01:15:21.520 home isn't i'm not supporting it i'm saying it is what it is yeah so not some doddering old imbecile 0.98

01:15:28.480 who doesn't have a grasp on human nature as well as the animal world yeah i saw a couple of quotes 0.87

01:15:33.080 recently maybe it was that one from like millennial woes had shared or someone had shared on x i was

01:15:37.000 I was like, that's what I'm going to say there.

01:15:38.280 And I checked it, and he was saying it,

01:15:40.500 not that he believed that necessarily,

01:15:42.600 but he was realistic enough to say this is how people feel.

01:15:45.240 Yes.

01:15:45.580 And he's still perhaps a bit of a BBC type of guy,

01:15:47.480 so he's like, I'm not necessarily saying this,

01:15:49.400 but at least smart and realistic enough to acknowledge

01:15:51.340 that's the tension that's there.

01:15:52.680 Well, the point is, I suppose,

01:15:55.100 unlike the very things that we were talking about

01:15:57.420 in your segment, Stelios,

01:15:58.740 where it's just all this legislation and language policing,

01:16:01.880 you know, at least Attenborough is just acknowledging,

01:16:03.660 no no no this is just core human irrepressible human nature and you cannot fight it this is how

01:16:10.920 people are going to react when they are put into such circumstances so because we're uh obviously

01:16:18.060 on youtube i am i'm going to struggle with copyright issues but i'm not so i'm not going

01:16:23.480 to be able to play this but my gosh man as well just to say some of the actual tv that he has

01:16:31.640 created in his time has been up there with anything that i've just found in actual film

01:16:37.100 or storytelling right when you actually see the quality of the documentaries that he's created

01:16:43.020 as well as you say with that that classic voice i mean this one here where this iguana was being

01:16:48.860 chased by the killer snakes i remember watching this years and years ago and i've just i've never

01:16:55.560 forgot it because i was just absolutely hanging on the edge of my seat watching this iguana just

01:17:00.800 It's like flailing its limbs.

01:17:02.240 The snakes are going for it.

01:17:04.060 Yeah, his hippopotamus one stuck with me.

01:17:06.780 I've been trying to find it since.

01:17:08.180 It starts like the fish run away.

01:17:10.340 They don't run, they swim away.

01:17:11.520 And then the crocodile, they go,

01:17:13.480 even he's getting out of the way.

01:17:14.620 And the alligator getting out of the way.

01:17:16.920 Like, oh, what's going to do?

01:17:17.660 And then the hippo just runs along the bottom

01:17:19.620 of the lake or whatever and bursts up.

01:17:22.540 And I was like, this is awesome.

01:17:23.880 Yes.

01:17:24.160 Because it was showing how ferocious hippos were.

01:17:26.460 People don't always realize they kill the most people

01:17:28.000 in Africa of any animal. 1.00

01:17:29.660 stuff like that stays with you so good and the other thing as well oh and the chimp one that

01:17:33.900 was the dynasties one with the chimpanzees that was incredible dynasties yeah and it showed like

01:17:38.140 it was following this alpha male chimp and kind of the difficulty to maintain his status and he

01:17:42.900 has to fight and all this so good i didn't know you were in a documentary um but anyway as i say

01:17:50.000 it was it's just really it's visually remarkable it's a testament to how he himself has personally

01:17:55.940 shaped documentary telling about the natural world and as well in many ways right he's he's very much

01:18:02.480 the um you know he was a 20th century kind of joseph banks you know who was going around as a

01:18:07.900 naturalist with captain cook back in the day you you can still feel that that british heritage

01:18:13.040 and lineage right irrespective of how uh strongly you feel like he associates with it what i'm

01:18:19.580 saying is it's it's baked into his character i will also just point out as well that um

01:18:25.760 uh back when there was you remember when there was that poll back in 2016 where um in fact there

01:18:32.560 was so there was a the united kingdom's national environment uh research council announced that

01:18:38.420 they were going to put together some cutting-edge scientific research ship and it would be named in

01:18:43.560 honor of sir david attenborough they end up calling it the sir david attenborough but that was for

01:18:48.400 people who remember correctly the name that they gave it after rejecting the popular will of the

01:18:55.760 people who wanted to call it Boaty McBoatface, back in one of those classic bits of British humour.

01:19:03.840 And so I will just play this one from On X. I think I can get away with this, if not.

01:19:18.400 of the very first animals that evolved on this planet

01:19:23.460 it's just wonderful everything about it is thoroughly enchanting um and whichever part

01:19:37.200 of the world he goes to he he manages to have such an irrespective of how you feel about his

01:19:42.860 views on the climate change like you cannot deny his his knowledge of the natural world itself

01:19:47.980 of ecosystems of species of all different animal it is truly remarkable it's unparalleled yeah and

01:19:55.620 the idea of a presenter who really knows about it because often our presenter is just some puppet

01:19:59.600 who's the presenter and they don't know anything and you see that quite often especially on when 0.72

01:20:04.760 women talk about football but anyway yeah he really knew his stuff he could it was behind as

01:20:09.540 you said he i didn't know that he actually didn't even expect he was going to be in front of the

01:20:13.060 camera um have you watched much of his stuff Stelios um it has been in a while but yeah they're

01:20:19.620 absolutely lovely and I love watching nature documentaries yeah me too well and that's the

01:20:25.840 other thing as well I suppose that it's um it's wonderful to to escape right it can offer an

01:20:33.740 escapism when you are just watching the animal kingdom at work but also as well you know I think

01:20:39.660 that in a world where we are constantly building up and populations are booming and it's like

01:20:45.720 that he does make some points do we all want to be like india are we just racing to get our 0.60

01:20:51.900 populations as high as possible you know with the gdp and the constant influx of like all of

01:20:58.380 these things and you know he has critiques of capitalism that are absolutely fair but is he a

01:21:03.920 euromaxer uh well i imagine he is at this age i imagine he's uh a little more relaxed and chill

01:21:10.820 i i wouldn't do what he's doing there no i hate these animals the arthropods yeah it's

01:21:17.380 disgusting i'm just gonna be like this tell me when you tell me i'll tell you what i'll just

01:21:22.660 i'll scroll how about that okay yeah yeah there you go we're good cool um and so there was just

01:21:28.820 a few uh quotes that one to read where he says that it seems to me that the natural world is

01:21:33.240 the greatest source of excitement, the greatest source of visual beauty, the greatest source

01:21:39.180 of intellectual interest. It is the greatest source of so much in life that makes life

01:21:44.500 worth living. And the fact is that no species has ever had such wholesale control over everything

01:21:51.200 on earth, living or dead, as we have now. That lays upon us, whether we like it or not,

01:21:57.960 an awesome responsibility in our hands now lies not only our own future but that of all other

01:22:05.580 living creatures with whom we share the earth and you know in that sense it's it's very it's

01:22:11.020 stewardship right there's a there's a traditionalist argument for all of this as well

01:22:15.160 i don't see this as subversive messaging i do feel that we do have that responsibility

01:22:21.220 nature is the biggest ally and the greatest inspiration yeah yeah tell that one earthquake

01:22:27.200 well no no no i'm just yeah but honestly he he was he he's great and uh so i'll just uh

01:22:37.220 he absolutely loves what he's doing you can tell and you can get immersed into what he's saying

01:22:42.600 you don't do it for 72 years if you don't love it yeah you know uh so i thought i'd just leave

01:22:48.060 it with this message that he seems to have recorded that the independents have put out

01:22:52.920 i had rather thought that i would celebrate my 100th birthday quietly but it seems that many of

01:23:01.960 you have had other ideas i've been completely overwhelmed by birthday greetings from preschool

01:23:10.620 groups to care home residents and countless individuals and families of all ages

01:23:17.480 I simply can't reply to each of you all separately, but I would like to thank you all most sincerely for your kind messages, and wish those of you who have planned your own local events tomorrow have a very happy day.

01:23:37.300 And a very happy birthday to you, Sir David.

01:23:40.660 all right i'll quickly go through the rumble rants yes okay so we've got uh tom rat uh says

01:23:51.680 i've set a grok task to inform me that when any of the nine challenge wards are announced in great

01:23:58.140 yarmouth to tell me the result as well as my own for lead city council uh godspeed to rupert at all

01:24:04.120 yeah well as you say nick it sounds like the results uh so far are encouraging yeah uh 14 0.99

01:24:10.120 Barber also says brother Nick you were implied you aren't uh busting your ass for nothing uh 0.61

01:24:16.400 you're doing amazing work have a good weekend too I have to type quickly on my phone thank you sir 0.94

01:24:21.900 have a good weekend I'm sorry that I had to play the victim to get that out of your 40 and Bob is

01:24:26.040 is a great man he seems like it is patriot um flying crocodile thank you for two dollars says

01:24:32.700 I have no hatred or phobia of any persons who don't want to have power over me

01:24:37.220 getting distracted by tribalism will only bring ruin to your own tribe the real enemy is the one

01:24:42.860 who opens the gates yeah this is what we were saying it's the european uh unaccountable leaders

01:24:48.540 who've let allowed this to happen to us uh once the people are inside of course they're going to

01:24:54.100 push for their own interests uh that's a random name says all laws are subjective because our

01:24:59.300 enemies don't care about truth or objectivity they will always play with words in order to use 0.71

01:25:05.600 the law against us and he also says you can't have a law that says don't steal but the commies

01:25:13.080 will simply say that they are reappoint appropriating your property so what happened

01:25:17.820 to my grandpa when communism took over bulgaria yeah but no i i appreciate this but we're not

01:25:24.260 living in bulgaria in communist bulgaria and there is such a thing as you know the degree in which

01:25:31.160 legal arbitrariness exists yeah i mean yeah you can't have crazy commies coming and say well 0.55

01:25:38.700 you're all stealing because uh you're not in uh communist utopia so you're guilty yeah they can

01:25:45.740 they can say this i'm talking about when you're talking about legislation you have to presume a

01:25:50.920 degree of common sense that communists absolutely lack yes well that's true um okay harry do we have

01:25:57.500 any video comments today sir

01:25:59.100 we do not

01:26:01.600 alright well I guess we'll just go to the comments

01:26:03.740 and do you want to read some from

01:26:04.880 I'll read some I don't know how much time we have but

01:26:06.720 I've got five minutes so I'll read a few then

01:26:09.100 Dirty Belter always a great name

01:26:10.840 breaking news Saruman though isolated in Orthanc

01:26:13.420 alleged to continue

01:26:15.180 working with the forces of Mordor to bring about

01:26:17.400 change we will break you

01:26:19.020 as soon as I consult the

01:26:20.820 what's the ball thing called the Palantir

01:26:22.500 of course it is it's Peter Thiel

01:26:24.820 yeah hilarious

01:26:26.640 Omar, when they ask for unity, it begs

01:26:28.900 the question for whom? Surely not all as 1.00

01:26:30.280 alt-right racist. There's really no other voting

01:26:32.720 group they haven't spat on and turned away

01:26:34.560 them to appeal to. This is absolutely

01:26:36.580 true.

01:26:39.040 Miramiden, something like that, I don't know how you

01:26:40.660 say that, but it says Farajan reform come across

01:26:42.680 as controlled opposition no matter what they say. The Union

01:26:44.620 Party is still there, but just a new paint job.

01:26:46.580 Well, that's it. If people think that, then they will

01:26:48.660 turn against reform in due time. 0.99

01:26:51.140 A Lord, because the Hector X had

01:26:52.640 a good one, somehow Starmer is always taking flak

01:26:54.700 but is never over the target.

01:26:56.640 That was quite funny.

01:26:57.760 That's clever. Good one.

01:26:59.660 Right. George Happ, Sweden plays word games changes nothing.

01:27:04.180 Islam is already there and causing trouble. 0.85

01:27:07.060 Zesta King, the EU and many of its country's leaders do not recognize the people of Europe and their ways as native to the land, 0.99

01:27:14.480 not themselves under any obligation to uphold them. 0.78

01:27:17.720 That is why Sweden says no problem in legislating in favor of a foreign religion.

01:27:22.700 omar wad says something quite insidious about policing hate that i don't actually think about

01:27:30.340 is that it's involuntary you don't feel about something on purpose furthermore is in spite a

01:27:37.920 form of hate like rubbing their nose in diversity well i mean definitely yeah that's that's the

01:27:44.240 argument given for freedom of religion when it came to the 17th century in the wars of religion

01:27:51.340 People like Locke were saying that you don't fundamentally don't control some of your beliefs.

01:27:57.980 So it's, you know, you, how can you, yeah, I don't know if I agree with, with, with that.

01:28:05.040 I don't think we have completely no control over what we think.

01:28:09.780 But yeah, I mean, to some extent we don't control it.

01:28:13.340 Yeah.

01:28:13.900 Right.

01:28:14.340 Okay.

01:28:14.560 And especially when it comes to knee jerk reaction and emotional reactions of the sort. 0.65

01:28:21.340 and dirty belter islamophobia along with other such concepts like hate speech racism sexism and

01:28:29.180 so on are used to attack the symptoms of friction between ethnic groups and cultures just as

01:28:35.920 painkillers don't resolve the cause of a headache neither does banning expressions that can be

01:28:41.860 classed under various isms or phobias the only chance for true peace between groups requires

01:28:47.720 sincerity which requires the chance for unpleasantness to resolve a grievance you need both

01:28:53.560 the carrot and the stick absolutely and if i may i want to make a i want to make a comment about this

01:28:59.100 do i have time to make a comment about this yeah so i mean we do say often and i think it's true

01:29:05.440 that people didn't vote for living in a in a multicultural melting pot and it's absolutely

01:29:12.840 true. And I want to say just a bit what is implied there is that when you have a culture 0.99

01:29:20.700 and a people, and you know, it could be multi-ethnic, but it doesn't have, but it isn't

01:29:26.260 multicultural. There is a culture and a set of values that people have. And when the government

01:29:33.880 doesn't take the mandate to pursue a multicultural experiment it directly says i'm going to wage war

01:29:44.460 on these values because the only way to make a multicultural experiment work is if you backtrack

01:29:52.560 from these values especially when it comes to the kinds of experiments we're talking about in

01:29:58.180 in uh in europe it's just going to be wild isn't it when the history books are written it's like

01:30:03.460 Yeah, from the European Union's perspective, the problem with the European Union was that there were too many Europeans in it.

01:30:11.020 You know, that's really what it's going to come down to. 0.92

01:30:13.760 All right.

01:30:14.480 Is that the problem?

01:30:16.000 Well, I mean, obviously not.

01:30:17.780 All right.

01:30:18.480 Just a few from mine then, which is Occupied England says,

01:30:22.200 Throughout my childhood, born in 1997, thanks to my parents, I was raised on David Attenborough documentaries via VHS recordings.

01:30:30.100 Ugh, nostalgia.

01:30:30.980 Roger. I would grow up on all of his DVDs and Blu-rays. My favourite was the Life of Mammals series, released in 2003. By the time I was seven, I could name every species of mammals in zoo visits. When I was a kid, I longed to be a wildlife cameraman. Now at 29, even though I respect Attenborough, I get irritated by a lack of debate on taking action against, I assume he means non-European nations, I'll just say for the sake of this, you understand.

01:31:00.980 on their huge amount of environmental pollution and habitat destruction on planet earth right now

01:31:07.060 the west began environmentalism um the poll right needs to reclaim environmentalism away

01:31:14.180 from the dishonest left yes i absolutely agree with that um and then final one uh henry ashman

01:31:21.220 says i will forgive sir david for being very environmentally focused he's been around all

01:31:27.300 around the world and he has a lifetime and that he can remember how big and wild the rainforest

01:31:32.900 etc were seeing the deforestation will make a big impact on him um i guess it's the equivalent of

01:31:39.860 those of us born before something happened in 97 looking upon modern britain with disgust because

01:31:45.620 we remember the before times yes well we're coming up to half past two now ladies and gentlemen you

01:31:52.180 You can join us again in half an hour live or Lads Hour,

01:31:55.720 where Dan is going to be taking us through a jolly good game,

01:31:59.040 as he usually does.

01:31:59.980 I believe we're talking something to do with political parties.

01:32:03.680 It'll be fun. They're always fun.

01:32:05.700 Anyway, and if we don't see you there, have a wonderful weekend.

01:32:09.320 Ladies and gentlemen, take care.

01:32:22.180 Thank you.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 08, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1414

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