The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1416

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 14 16 we are now only 72 away

00:00:06.640 uh it is tuesday the 12th of may year of our lord 2026 and i'm joined by beau all right

00:00:15.940 and stelios hello so what are we going to be talking about today we are going to be talking

00:00:20.700 about um the drama that is starma the drama the starma drama yeah the ongoing saga yes shortly to

00:00:31.660 be concluded i think possibly possibly if if starma resigns during bow segment can somebody

00:00:39.220 put it in the chat because well you joke but it is an ongoing thing i'm not joking so we've had

00:00:44.860 we've had uh something interesting happen moments ago moments ago that we're going to talk about so

00:00:50.000 it's a fast moving

00:00:51.600 set of events

00:00:53.120 I will then be discussing

00:00:55.080 my one might

00:00:56.380 I don't know

00:00:57.840 my one I think

00:00:59.860 has got more

00:01:00.300 evergreen appeal

00:01:01.200 at least slightly more

00:01:02.440 because I'm going to be asking

00:01:03.500 what happens

00:01:04.060 after Starber

00:01:05.160 what do they do

00:01:06.900 what do they do

00:01:08.120 and I'm going to talk

00:01:09.940 about aliens

00:01:10.720 yes

00:01:11.160 fresh from your success

00:01:12.660 than your segments

00:01:14.120 about

00:01:14.500 sex slaves

00:01:16.400 in JP Morgan

00:01:17.300 you're going to be

00:01:18.540 segments

00:01:19.260 segments many segments about being a sex slave you are now going to do a segment about

00:01:24.300 yes would you be willing to become a sex slave to an to an alien ironically yes the first book

00:01:31.500 i've read about aliens was someone's allegedly someone's autobiography who said that aliens

00:01:37.540 abducted him at night and performed a colonoscopy on him yes i think for me it comes down heavily

00:01:42.600 to whether what what their kink is i mean if it's if it's like james t kirk and they're just blue

00:01:47.700 but otherwise quite hot.

00:01:50.160 That's one.

00:01:50.620 If it's tentacles, I'm out.

00:01:53.220 Yeah, right, yeah.

00:01:54.320 I'm not doing that.

00:01:56.160 Whatever it is.

00:01:57.000 Right.

00:01:57.780 Okay, so with that, it's over to the bow.

00:02:02.620 All right, so it is the day today.

00:02:04.940 It may or may not be judgment day today

00:02:06.820 for the Starmer government,

00:02:08.440 but the House of Cards is very much rickety, isn't it?

00:02:13.440 A bit.

00:02:13.980 It's a question of time.

00:02:15.500 It may even happen during this live stream.

00:02:18.800 Yes.

00:02:19.300 We don't know.

00:02:20.180 We don't know, but it seems that it's in the mail

00:02:22.600 for Keir Starmer's government to collapse.

00:02:26.200 Whoever does the number 10 removals is waiting for the call.

00:02:30.880 Yeah.

00:02:31.340 Oh, yeah.

00:02:31.960 They're on speed dial.

00:02:33.700 I will say I don't think that this is going to happen.

00:02:36.480 Not that it shouldn't happen, but I think that it's not going to happen.

00:02:39.640 I'm sure we'll get into it.

00:02:40.960 Have faith, Stelius.

00:02:41.620 Not happen at all.

00:02:43.060 I don't think that he is going to resign.

00:02:44.520 1,000 years of Starmer.

00:02:45.960 No, no, no, no.

00:02:47.020 1,000 years of Starmer, right?

00:02:48.200 The age of Keir.

00:02:49.580 No.

00:02:49.980 Well, you think he'll be there in 2029 fighting the general election?

00:02:53.320 I think there's a high probability.

00:02:54.660 Really?

00:02:55.480 Yeah.

00:02:56.160 I may be wrong.

00:02:57.700 There is money to be made on the betting markets if that's your view.

00:03:01.060 Okay.

00:03:01.340 Because nobody else thinks that.

00:03:02.080 Please enlighten me.

00:03:03.100 So I'm going to go there.

00:03:04.540 Just pick a betting site.

00:03:05.640 You'll get really good odds.

00:03:06.240 I will bet.

00:03:06.940 Polymarket.com.

00:03:07.700 Okay.

00:03:08.340 So first of all, a quick show for Breakfast with Bo.

00:03:13.800 We're supposed to do that from time to time,

00:03:16.240 shill our own stuff a bit, breakfast with a bow.

00:03:18.040 8am every weekday morning.

00:03:21.320 It's a good show.

00:03:22.180 Join me for your breakfast time-based takes.

00:03:26.880 Do it every single day.

00:03:28.920 Okay, with that said, this morning, in fact, this very morning,

00:03:33.480 the news is absolutely dominated by the question of

00:03:37.960 the British government collapsing.

00:03:40.640 So it really was, I thought I'd just show you this link.

00:03:42.760 It's the one I use every morning.

00:03:44.180 It's just the front pages.

00:03:45.360 And if I scroll down, you'll just see that it's every single paper,

00:03:48.080 all the way down to the sun and the star,

00:03:50.960 is about Starmer imminently having to leave.

00:03:56.860 So I just thought we'd talk about what's happened in the last 24, 36 hours.

00:04:02.000 It's every single one, every single one, without fail.

00:04:04.540 And he manages like a slab of spam in every single picture.

00:04:08.360 Yeah.

00:04:09.100 Yeah, it's the same.

00:04:09.980 It's almost exactly the same image that I just go with.

00:04:12.320 They very often do that, don't they?

00:04:14.020 The same photojournalist gets all the big bucks that day.

00:04:16.800 Yeah, they do them dirty.

00:04:17.800 Yeah.

00:04:19.040 So, okay, what it was, after, of course,

00:04:22.260 the by-election implosion last Thursday,

00:04:25.980 well, it was out to come out on Friday mainly, didn't they?

00:04:28.240 Labour did so badly, and Keir Starmer's position

00:04:30.640 is so weak and shaky already for a number of different reasons,

00:04:33.500 least of all the Mandelson affair.

00:04:37.200 Southpaw.

00:04:37.760 And being the most unpopular Prime Minister of all time.

00:04:41.740 Yes.

00:04:42.020 Of all time.

00:04:43.840 This is just sort of one of the last straws for a lot of the parliamentary Labour Party,

00:04:48.840 i.e. actual Labour MPs, particularly the left of the party.

00:04:53.620 So that's one of the first things to say.

00:04:54.940 Why is Stammer so unpopular?

00:04:56.460 It's one thing to be really unpopular with the electorate at large,

00:04:59.740 but why is he so unpopular within his own party?

00:05:01.940 He's got a giant majority.

00:05:04.360 Why is he so unpopular?

00:05:07.060 He's considered, despite being a complete socialist, a total lefty,

00:05:10.860 too left for the fabian society as a younger man literally yeah why is he considered right within

00:05:17.260 the labor party he's considered a blair right well i mean if you look at the uh the the leftist

00:05:24.460 and they seem is there they do say that if you unless you're supporting mao and maoism you're

00:05:30.700 far right so i've heard many of them trying to say that he is right wing and especially that what

00:05:37.140 they could be considering is the greens are rising in the polls so maybe we need something

00:05:43.900 much more like that instead of what starmer is giving us from their perspective my theory would

00:05:48.860 be that because he's actually in government and he's got treasury officials coming to him all

00:05:53.640 the time saying look you you literally cannot pay the polices the armies the nhs wages if you don't

00:06:00.420 keep the bond markets happy and that is forcing him to be a bit realistic whereas the greens they

00:06:06.920 don't have to worry about realism they can they could just promise absolutely and they do they

00:06:10.780 promise absolutely anything and the left of the labor party all the two lefty in the left i mean

00:06:16.300 as you pointed out on the excellent beau show this morning most of the labor mps they're not

00:06:21.320 in government they're in the legislative but they're not in government so so they they don't

00:06:26.200 have those briefings from like the bond market they they just think yeah why can't we just have

00:06:31.120 the moon on a stick it's funny how lefty like left say let's say specifically lefty um labor

00:06:37.440 backbenchers they seem to think that it's like the the evil bond market holding us to ransom in

00:06:42.900 some ways like that's not what's going on it doesn't yeah it's not working like that why do

00:06:46.200 you why do you think that your leftist economic theory is just nonsense it's like those evil

00:06:51.340 bond markets aren't letting us spend as much as we want forever it's like no that no they're just

00:06:55.640 not willing to give you their money yeah because you're lunatics yeah right yeah right so okay

00:07:01.860 so starmer did his a speech yesterday morning little 15 20 minute speech trying to sort of

00:07:09.060 steady the boat trying to say i'm the right guy don't get rid of me because it would just be really

00:07:13.320 would be pure chaos without me the electorate don't like it when when parties change leader

00:07:19.000 halfway through a parliament which is not untrue right um and he he tried to sort of signal a bit

00:07:25.600 to the left of the party, talking about nationalising steel,

00:07:28.980 for example, British steel, but no real proper concrete plan,

00:07:31.820 saying the words, I take responsibility,

00:07:34.040 but not actually taking any responsibility.

00:07:35.680 In the Q&A afterwards, where a bunch of journalists grill him about it,

00:07:38.840 he's sort of not accepting that he is the problem,

00:07:41.480 specifically him personally.

00:07:43.180 Apparently that was what was said on the doorstep a lot

00:07:45.160 at the local elections.

00:07:46.380 People saying, you know, I'm Labour, I'm old school Labour,

00:07:49.120 I would vote Labour, but it's Starmer.

00:07:50.860 I don't like Starmer.

00:07:51.920 I cannot vote for Starmer in this election

00:07:54.420 or a general election he's not really accepting that he's not really taking that into his heart

00:07:59.640 uh refusing to uh so okay you want to say something no i think basically that he wants

00:08:07.760 to stay pm and i think that the situation is so bad that most probably everyone who would be a

00:08:17.300 successor would want him to suffer the 2029 loss in the general elections and they come and so

00:08:25.080 they don't get all the negativity of governing that's how i think they're going to go i think

00:08:31.340 that most of them who are lining up for the labor for the premiership within the labor party

00:08:39.200 i think they they're just scared because he is doing a really bad job and they don't want to

00:08:45.480 constantly have to justify their own party and being asked for what they consider to be

00:08:54.520 Starmer's failure, because everyone in politics is much stronger in rhetoric when they're attacking.

00:09:01.060 So I think that they don't want to be in a position where they will have to sort of defend

00:09:06.240 Starmer, Starmer's government, because they will have to say that, no, we have to go even further

00:09:11.380 to the left yeah i don't think that this is what the people want oh no it's definitely not i don't

00:09:17.460 want to uh tread on your toes too much for your segment in a moment so anyone who will jump no go

00:09:22.860 forward would just kill their career okay so that's what i think yeah maybe quite possibly

00:09:28.640 the party labor party seem to want to go to the left but the country mostly doesn't seem to want

00:09:35.820 to do that like in that speech he did yesterday he was talking about you know closer ties to your

00:09:40.860 loads of more lefty stuff closer ties with europe privatization sorry nationalization of things

00:09:46.600 uh more more nhs just all those all the all the he said his mistake really i'm paraphrasing but

00:09:54.700 his mistake mainly in government so far is not going strong and hard enough and deep enough

00:09:59.100 on all of the things on everything that he said that he's going to do all along which is basically

00:10:03.200 like breakfast clubs yeah a few other bits that brexit was a mistake yeah that tommy rallies are

00:10:08.880 evil oh no no no so so i mean essentially his logic is this a little bit of starma has made

00:10:16.380 everybody hate me so therefore the solution is a lot of starma yeah that that will clearly win

00:10:23.020 them over it's it's just it's just a quantity issue it's a bit like uh have you ever tried

00:10:28.480 absence absinthe the drink the drink yeah i haven't it's right it's vile but if you have

00:10:34.700 enough of it you start to like it that's that's presumably his logic i'm thinking of downforce

00:10:39.440 on an f1 car if you don't go fast enough the downforce doesn't kick in and you haven't got

00:10:43.000 enough grip if you go much faster right the downforce kicks in you've got loads more grip

00:10:47.140 you have to you have to really commit to it i'm not familiar with that okay anyway yeah all right

00:10:51.940 so he did this speech just doubling down on anything not really taking responsibility

00:10:55.660 the labour party didn't seem to buy i mean a few diehards sure but mostly particularly all the left

00:11:02.320 of the party in the backbenchers that have always wanted him to go

00:11:04.280 for a long time now. They didn't buy it.

00:11:06.560 They just sort of immediately came out on Twitter

00:11:08.300 and in various ways, leaking to journalists in various

00:11:10.340 ways, saying, no, no, no, he's got to go.

00:11:12.520 And so, over the course of yesterday,

00:11:14.520 yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening,

00:11:16.220 quite a few senior aides resigned,

00:11:18.240 like the person directly beneath

00:11:20.100 David Lammy, beneath West Streeting.

00:11:22.900 You don't want to be directly beneath David

00:11:24.460 Lammy. It's not going to be

00:11:26.300 a great place, not a great spot, is it?

00:11:29.420 They resigned

00:11:30.180 and

00:11:30.940 well the number of MPs

00:11:34.060 Labour MPs they would need to force the leadership

00:11:36.060 challenge would be 81

00:11:37.720 20% of the parliamentary Labour party

00:11:39.420 the magic number is 81

00:11:41.000 and over the course of the afternoon and evening

00:11:44.180 yesterday the numbers kept ticking up

00:11:46.260 you know 57, 62

00:11:48.080 65

00:11:48.580 and when these went to print various of the front

00:11:52.100 pages were saying anywhere between 60

00:11:53.860 I mean look the FT set there says 60

00:11:55.840 but others already are up to 70

00:11:57.340 right now last I saw

00:11:59.780 or maybe half an hour ago was...

00:12:02.020 Oh, it's up to 85 in real time.

00:12:04.040 There you go, on Dan Tubbs' laptop.

00:12:05.420 85, so that's enough for the threshold.

00:12:07.500 Parliament isn't open at the moment.

00:12:10.340 The King's speech isn't until tomorrow.

00:12:12.960 There was a cabinet meeting this morning,

00:12:16.220 at half nine this morning,

00:12:16.940 which was slated to happen anyway.

00:12:19.640 I think that went ahead, yeah.

00:12:20.680 It did, it did, yeah.

00:12:22.120 And in that, apparently, the word out of that now

00:12:24.180 is that he just refused to resign

00:12:28.260 because technically, technically speaking,

00:12:31.480 no leadership, 86, just ticked up to 86.

00:12:34.040 There you go, 14 minutes past one in the a.m.,

00:12:36.860 in the p.m., sorry, on Tuesday as well.

00:12:38.660 I'll watch it tick up as we go.

00:12:39.580 Okay.

00:12:41.700 So it might have been best for the party

00:12:44.440 and maybe even the country if he just did resign,

00:12:48.020 sort of Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss style,

00:12:51.220 but he's decided he's not going to

00:12:53.360 because technically there hasn't been a leadership,

00:12:55.320 a sort of formal, legal, parliamentary leadership challenge made to him.

00:13:01.040 So there's nothing actually really technically forcing him to resign.

00:13:05.440 So he's decided to stand on that principle.

00:13:07.200 He's all about the technicalities, this man.

00:13:10.120 He's decided to stand on that and saying, well, there's no leadership challenge.

00:13:13.200 Obviously, his entire government and power structure and parties

00:13:15.680 collapsing beneath him.

00:13:16.880 He's like, I haven't been challenged though, so I'm going nowhere.

00:13:19.700 That's his position at the moment as it stands.

00:13:22.500 We've had a few of the senior cabinet ministers coming out of number 10,

00:13:27.840 speaking to Sky News very briefly, like an hour, an hour and a half, two hours ago.

00:13:31.820 And they were just parroting that.

00:13:33.160 It was obviously the party line.

00:13:34.660 They'll go up and say, no challenge has been made to the prime minister,

00:13:36.960 so he's not going anywhere.

00:13:37.960 We've got the important job of government to continue with.

00:13:40.840 I think the ones who want to succeed him are aware of what Dan mentioned,

00:13:47.340 but they don't want to say to their voters.

00:13:49.320 they are aware for instance of economics and the board markets and that's why i think they don't

00:13:54.860 want to jump in right now but you think his challengers don't want to be prime minister

00:13:59.680 right now no yeah but i mean left is so good when they have a big pile of wealth

00:14:07.660 yeah created by more conservatives that they can then distribute no not when not uh i can't believe

00:14:14.440 it works like that because the current set of people who are in a position to take over from

00:14:19.680 right now are not going to be around in some future scenario of Labour ever coming back in

00:14:25.620 fact Labour's probably extinct if you've spent your entire life wanting to be Prime Minister

00:14:30.300 and you're on the Labour front bench it is literally now or never you're never going to

00:14:35.260 get a chance again if you become Prime Minister now even for a week you're getting a Prime Minister's

00:14:39.720 salary for the rest of your life you're getting speaking engagements at like a million a pop for

00:14:43.840 the rest of your life absolutely i think they go now because it's literally their only chance

00:14:50.260 i've got to agree with that if you look at someone like west streeting i get the argument i get the

00:14:53.680 angle you're saying that it's not a great time to become prime minister it's a poison chalice

00:14:58.060 you get to be prime minister if you're not cooed out by the left of your own party quite quickly

00:15:02.120 i think you get maybe two years two and a half years what's that worth i get the angle i get

00:15:06.540 what you're saying um but i've got to agree with what dan said is that it's now and ever if you

00:15:11.600 ever want to be the prime minister your name etched into the annals of time that you got to be his

00:15:16.160 majesty's prime minister with great names like robert peel and wellington and thatcher all that

00:15:21.880 and yeah right it's just um it's no one ever yeah it's a crap you you will you will have been dealt

00:15:28.480 a crappy hand by history but it's your only hand you'll ever get and if you're ambitious if you've

00:15:33.620 been a prime minister sorry if you've been a member of parliament you've tried your whole

00:15:37.060 life to become a member of parliament you got it you got invited to be in cabinet wow i'm right

00:15:41.200 near I'm quite near now this is your only one and only chance they're not they're not going to pass

00:15:45.600 it up and even if you're a cabinet minister your pension goes up 40 percent so it's like yeah yeah

00:15:50.840 like what is it two three four times a year you get to line up somewhere like at the senator or

00:15:56.780 in Westminster Abbey with all the other ex-prime ministers you get you get in an elite club you get

00:16:01.480 to be at least something for the rest of your life you'll almost certainly get a knighthood if

00:16:06.460 not a peerage all that sort of thing i all right okay so that's the current thing but here's one

00:16:13.820 little data point i thought was was very interesting just from politics uk on twitter

00:16:17.700 um it says the soft left of labour mps have warned they would remove west streeting from

00:16:24.620 number 10 quicker than this trust if he became pm how quick is that very quick is that 30 days

00:16:30.520 or something, or I forget now.

00:16:31.940 Yeah, was it less than that?

00:16:35.020 So, okay, quickly talk about then

00:16:36.620 when, if and when Keir Starmer gets

00:16:39.900 cooed out of power.

00:16:41.800 Let's say he hangs on for the rest of today

00:16:44.540 and tonight.

00:16:45.540 There's a King's speech tomorrow,

00:16:46.680 opening Parliament.

00:16:47.340 Very soon after that, the next day

00:16:48.580 or a day or two after that,

00:16:49.720 by the end of this week,

00:16:50.500 perhaps early next week at the latest,

00:16:52.740 it goes through Parliament

00:16:53.920 and there's enough MPs,

00:16:55.480 clearly enough MPs,

00:16:56.700 to have some sort of vote of no confidence in him,

00:17:01.760 a leadership race, and he fails out.

00:17:04.060 I think even he said this morning

00:17:05.160 that if there was a leadership election,

00:17:06.580 he would just enter it and try and, you know...

00:17:11.640 Yeah, but that's too cowardly.

00:17:13.700 Cowardly?

00:17:14.340 Yeah.

00:17:14.960 It's like, I mean, I'm not challenging you,

00:17:17.020 but if I challenged you, I would challenge you.

00:17:20.300 Don't challenge him.

00:17:22.040 Oh, I see, cowardly from their point of view.

00:17:23.640 Yeah.

00:17:23.900 Oh, okay, I see.

00:17:24.580 Enough talk.

00:17:25.220 You're saying he should be literally more queer Stalin?

00:17:29.260 Ooh, Starmer.

00:17:30.480 Yes, he should just be, no.

00:17:32.340 Wes Streeting is out the party.

00:17:34.580 He's lost the whip.

00:17:36.160 Anyone else who looks like they might challenge me,

00:17:37.780 they're just gone, and I'll have that and that Ukrainian lad.

00:17:41.840 Just really double down on the queer Stalin.

00:17:44.060 Well, there is one interesting thing.

00:17:45.420 Say Labour triggered a leadership race.

00:17:51.060 Keir Starmer himself entered it, won it,

00:17:54.220 and then purged the Labour Party of the left,

00:17:57.960 like 50, 80, 100 of his own MPs started ruling

00:18:01.620 as a minority government, but he just killed the left

00:18:04.720 of the party.

00:18:06.760 I'd give him credit for that in an odd way,

00:18:09.240 in a perverse way.

00:18:10.080 I mean, they'd all join the Greens and then he'd be out.

00:18:11.840 Oh, yeah, right.

00:18:13.140 But, okay.

00:18:14.540 But you could purge, like, I don't know, one a month,

00:18:19.480 something like that.

00:18:20.160 Oh, just slowly pick them off.

00:18:21.420 Just to say, truly like Stalin.

00:18:23.080 Yes.

00:18:23.360 Like slowly, slowly whittle them down.

00:18:26.920 Yeah.

00:18:27.660 Okay.

00:18:28.560 But so if it's not that, then who's next?

00:18:30.720 I mean, there's the whole Burnham question, the whole issue.

00:18:32.720 He's not even an MP.

00:18:34.220 Some MP maybe probably in the Manchester area would have to pretend

00:18:38.280 they've got health issues or they want to spend more time

00:18:40.180 with their family, trigger a by-election.

00:18:42.280 The NEC within Labour somehow select Burnham.

00:18:45.800 Then he actually win the by-election, which is far from a given.

00:18:48.920 Then there's the full Labour leadership contest,

00:18:52.540 which Burnham then wins.

00:18:54.800 Yeah.

00:18:55.460 That's like end of the year

00:18:56.700 and people are aching for the blood now.

00:18:59.440 All that process would take a long time, wouldn't it?

00:19:01.180 I mean, months.

00:19:02.200 At least a few months.

00:19:02.740 And the big thing,

00:19:04.660 he actually wins the by-election.

00:19:06.940 Yeah.

00:19:07.620 And then say all of that happens,

00:19:09.420 all those stars align

00:19:10.440 and Andy Burnham is now the leader of the Labour Party

00:19:12.640 and the Prime Minister.

00:19:13.300 Yeah, and then they get wiped out.

00:19:14.180 And then in 2029 get trounced anyway

00:19:16.180 because most people don't love Andy Burnham.

00:19:19.220 No.

00:19:19.800 Most people are not, like, waiting with bated breath

00:19:23.040 to vote for Andy Burnham, are they?

00:19:24.800 Most people.

00:19:26.560 I mean, judged against a normal person,

00:19:28.580 Andy Burnham's still quite weird.

00:19:30.660 Yeah.

00:19:31.500 He's just normal for Labour.

00:19:33.500 Yeah.

00:19:33.660 Yeah, he's still like an open borders guy.

00:19:37.360 He's a complete socialist.

00:19:40.740 Really, really...

00:19:41.700 He's got that comment about,

00:19:43.600 oh, what was it about the bond markets?

00:19:44.840 He said something about...

00:19:46.260 But it was typical Labour thinking.

00:19:48.300 It's like, I don't know why we listen to the bond markets.

00:19:50.360 It's because they're literally paying your wages.

00:19:53.340 Because we are in hock to them now,

00:19:54.900 because you guys couldn't stop spending.

00:19:57.200 If you actually just said to the bond markets,

00:19:59.640 no, we're not dealing with you at all anymore,

00:20:03.300 he wouldn't get his prime minister salary

00:20:05.160 because there wouldn't be money in the coffers to pay for it.

00:20:09.140 Well, wouldn't we just default on our national debt?

00:20:12.500 I suppose they could start printing money,

00:20:14.920 but then you're in Wemmer territory.

00:20:16.040 Weimar hyperinflation

00:20:19.680 Right yeah

00:20:20.040 That would really genuinely tank the economy properly

00:20:23.500 Yes

00:20:23.920 Wouldn't it

00:20:24.360 And then we'd run out of foreign currency

00:20:27.140 Then we couldn't get energy

00:20:28.940 So the lights would go out

00:20:30.480 It's alright we've got gigantic bullion reserves

00:20:33.040 Oh no Gordon Brown sold all that

00:20:34.940 Sorry my mistake I remember

00:20:36.400 Like 200 quid per ounce

00:20:38.560 And it's now at 2000

00:20:39.920 Yeah

00:20:41.340 Gordon Brown texture like sun

00:20:42.920 Terrible leader

00:20:43.640 Okay so someone apparently

00:20:45.800 Some on the left are saying if the whole Burnham thing doesn't play out,

00:20:50.660 who then?

00:20:51.620 The bookies have Wes Streeting as the most likely.

00:20:54.560 How many people hate him?

00:20:56.300 Well, again, the left of the party hate him just as much as Starmer.

00:20:59.840 Again, he's too far to the right for them.

00:21:02.280 Yeah.

00:21:03.940 He wants to bankrupt the country slowly, which is like, no,

00:21:07.080 that's not good enough.

00:21:08.220 And so they're saying that if he was replaced,

00:21:11.100 Starmer was replaced by Wes, by Wesley,

00:21:13.740 that they would coo him quicker than Liz Truss.

00:21:17.640 I don't know, but that's interesting.

00:21:19.420 To quote Captain Picard, shut up, Wesley.

00:21:21.920 Yeah.

00:21:23.520 Yeah, West Street did not to be confused with Wesley Crusher,

00:21:29.380 although they both are sort of just silly little boys, aren't they?

00:21:35.460 Okay, this came in literally just as we were about to start the live stream.

00:21:39.540 We were just checking to see if Starmer had actually resigned

00:21:42.320 before we did the segment.

00:21:43.740 So with parliamentary aides, very, very junior members of the government,

00:21:48.560 they're not full cabinet members, resigning,

00:21:51.340 80-plus just normal MPs, backbench MPs,

00:21:54.800 saying they would back some sort of leadership,

00:22:00.760 trigger a leadership race.

00:22:02.820 The next thing to happen, usually historically,

00:22:05.380 is that full members of the cabinet start resigning.

00:22:09.520 Oh, another data point to say that apparently last night,

00:22:11.520 Yvette Cooper and Shabana Mahmood

00:22:13.880 the Home Secretary and the Foreign Secretary

00:22:14.980 said to Starmer apparently

00:22:16.760 you need to quit

00:22:19.460 or at least set out a timetable

00:22:21.100 of when you're going to quit

00:22:22.940 so again that house of cards

00:22:25.080 very very very shaky

00:22:26.260 it's like a Jenga tower

00:22:27.620 where it's all janky

00:22:29.420 and like how is that still standing

00:22:30.880 how has gravity not pulled that down yet

00:22:33.160 that's what it feels like

00:22:33.860 well the next thing is actual cabinet members resigning

00:22:36.740 and then surely it's dominoes

00:22:38.460 and well here's the first one

00:22:40.200 The Right Honourable Jess Phillips, no less, has just resigned, just now, moments before this stream started.

00:22:50.780 Labour having a safeguarding minister is such a joke after they oversaw decades of grooming gangs.

00:22:56.860 And when there was meant to be a grooming gang inquiry, she tried to make it about general purpose sex crime.

00:23:03.320 She tried to make it about white men, that's what she tried to make.

00:23:05.720 Question, does this mean she's leaving Labour?

00:23:10.900 No, she'll just leave the cabinet.

00:23:13.600 Starmer could be so incensed with her

00:23:15.580 that he could throw her out of the party if he wanted to.

00:23:18.220 It would be fun to see if she's going to defect to the Greens.

00:23:23.500 I think she's just waiting for whoever's next

00:23:26.120 and hopefully, I mean, maybe she backs Rainer and Berner,

00:23:29.640 maybe she backs Streeting.

00:23:30.960 I actually don't know, I've got no idea.

00:23:32.020 I don't follow her closely in any way, shape or form.

00:23:34.120 but she's obviously

00:23:34.900 just looking ahead now

00:23:35.880 you know

00:23:36.460 seeing the way

00:23:36.960 the wind is blowing

00:23:37.580 Starmer is done

00:23:39.040 one way or another

00:23:40.320 even if it takes

00:23:40.940 a few more days

00:23:41.860 or even a few more weeks

00:23:42.900 for it to truly play out

00:23:44.080 she would be hoping

00:23:45.740 for a position

00:23:46.400 in the next government

00:23:47.460 I imagine

00:23:47.920 Karl is now

00:23:48.540 slightly less likely

00:23:49.380 to go to jail

00:23:50.020 who is that

00:23:51.580 yeah well she's no longer

00:23:53.000 at the home office

00:23:54.560 right as of now

00:23:55.280 yeah

00:23:55.640 so she had her chance

00:23:57.500 to sort of

00:23:59.700 get Karl Benjamin

00:24:01.000 legally

00:24:01.740 not anymore

00:24:02.500 well

00:24:02.980 not until there's another government and she's invited to it who knows yes she might be the

00:24:08.040 home secretary in the street in government or zach polanski government oh yeah maybe who knows

00:24:13.640 okay it really does feel like now um it all starting to collapse so i think that's my time

00:24:21.260 up um and we'll see if it happens in like today this afternoon this evening or over the coming

00:24:27.760 days i can't imagine he's got more than a few days to go with you're thinking that his government's

00:24:33.560 gonna collapse i think so yeah yeah okay within a month let's say oh certainly certainly within a

00:24:41.340 week let's give it a week you give it a week you give it a month i give it a long time give it way

00:24:45.820 less than a month no i give it if it lasts to the end of the week i'd be surprised

00:24:49.400 there's a couple of

00:24:53.140 rumbles if you wanted

00:24:54.440 to do any rumbles

00:24:55.100 okay is it

00:24:56.700 Logan17pine says

00:24:58.200 quick question

00:24:59.180 what would happen

00:25:00.380 if he was to kick out

00:25:02.380 all his

00:25:03.020 challenges at once

00:25:04.360 you're right we sort of

00:25:05.640 said that didn't we

00:25:06.220 like him

00:25:06.640 yeah

00:25:06.920 I mean what would happen

00:25:08.120 awkward styling

00:25:09.060 I mean he's got

00:25:10.460 he can do that

00:25:11.820 if he wants to

00:25:12.620 he could do that

00:25:15.380 I mean it would be

00:25:16.560 that would be the funniest outcome

00:25:17.600 it would be like

00:25:18.940 Imagine him giving them speeches like,

00:25:22.320 you don't exist without me.

00:25:24.840 It would fly in the face of convention in various ways,

00:25:28.320 but I don't think there's anything legally,

00:25:30.860 as the head of the party,

00:25:32.800 actually, I don't know enough about the internal labour mechanisms.

00:25:36.840 Maybe by the letter of the law he's not allowed to do that unilaterally.

00:25:41.500 Maybe not, I don't know.

00:25:42.720 I think he can.

00:25:43.580 I think he can, yeah.

00:25:44.680 Just a word about it.

00:25:45.520 And then Fictager says, Jess Phillips resigns, Carl will be pleased.

00:25:50.440 Yeah.

00:25:51.740 Do you want to load the next segment, Samson?

00:25:53.800 I have the comments.

00:25:56.100 We did the comments, didn't we?

00:25:57.460 The ramble comments.

00:25:58.860 We just did them.

00:25:59.840 Well, one more just came in.

00:26:01.160 Oh, Fook.

00:26:03.120 That's how I'm deciding to pronounce that.

00:26:06.620 Oh, Fook says, I hear Jess Phillips is going to join Reform.

00:26:10.480 Surely they're joshing with us.

00:26:11.640 Surely that's a joke.

00:26:12.980 That's got to be a joke.

00:26:13.640 Okay.

00:26:14.200 I'm taking that as a joke.

00:26:16.160 So, I mean, we've also got to ask, yeah, okay, fine,

00:26:19.980 Starmer's going.

00:26:21.000 Well, apart from Stelios.

00:26:21.840 Stelios doesn't agree that Starmer's going,

00:26:23.440 but we agree Starmer's going.

00:26:26.380 What does Labour actually even do with itself?

00:26:28.920 Because, I mean, here's the current state of polling.

00:26:31.140 Look, I'll put it on the three years.

00:26:33.460 Our political system is designed around this, two parties,

00:26:37.100 and then all the other parties are just in the background there.

00:26:39.820 But, you know, this was a good era for Labour,

00:26:42.320 But that is what our politics is designed for.

00:26:46.600 And then what's been happening is,

00:26:48.960 actually, I'll put it on the two years.

00:26:50.520 Look, Greens have come up from like 6% up to like 17%.

00:26:54.920 Reform have come from like 11% up to 25%.

00:26:59.320 And the Greens, so the Labour and the Tories,

00:27:02.760 I mean, they're just in the middle pack there.

00:27:04.220 They're in the middle pack with like the Greens and the Lib Dems.

00:27:06.540 And you've got the Store Britain, you know,

00:27:08.440 surging up from beneath as well on the right flank of reform.

00:27:12.320 And our politics has become so mental for so long.

00:27:17.240 It's got to be a rightward shift.

00:27:18.740 I mean, just this.

00:27:20.240 I mean, I put no effort into this.

00:27:23.320 I just scrolled about three things down my timeline.

00:27:26.360 And it's, you know, this guy, he was a refugee and now he's the Lord Mayor of Bristol.

00:27:33.320 Literally the Lord Mayor.

00:27:36.200 I mean, this is what our politics has got to.

00:27:38.420 So there is going to be a snapback on this absolute sort of mentalness.

00:27:42.360 And so the question I'm kind of framing in this segment is,

00:27:46.300 and it kind of follows on nicely from yours, Beau,

00:27:49.000 what the hell does Labour actually do here?

00:27:51.260 Well, it's a very transparent thing.

00:27:54.100 They have completely gone down the road of the radical Democrats.

00:27:58.280 They are doing oppression Olympics.

00:28:00.980 And that's why the person you mentioned before is just saying

00:28:04.220 I'm more victimised than the other candidates that we can give.

00:28:07.520 So give me the position.

00:28:09.040 They gave it to him.

00:28:09.840 And he got elected as a councillor.

00:28:11.820 And this also goes back to what Angela Rayner,

00:28:14.620 you were talking about with respect to Angela Rayner,

00:28:18.360 that she doesn't have the CV,

00:28:20.800 but she's one of the top, most popular people in Labour.

00:28:25.080 Well, I mean, let's put some names to this.

00:28:26.660 So Blue Labour would be people like Shabana Mahmood.

00:28:29.700 Blair Wright would be West Streeting.

00:28:31.640 Soft left would be Angela Rayner.

00:28:34.620 And then hard left, I mean, who's on the hard left?

00:28:36.520 well, most of the backbenchers.

00:28:37.660 I don't know about many of the frontbenchers that are hard left,

00:28:39.940 but Corbyn would have been hard left.

00:28:41.860 He's actually still an MP, so they could always bring him back.

00:28:45.340 But John McDonnell, that kind of thing.

00:28:46.300 Is it just for Labour or would you put Gary Stevenson in?

00:28:50.080 No, these are the Labour options.

00:28:52.460 They need to figure out where they end up on this.

00:28:56.200 Well, there's always, I say always, for a long, long time,

00:28:59.120 there's been sort of a battle over the heart and soul of Labour.

00:29:04.680 What is Labour?

00:29:05.860 What should it be?

00:29:06.660 I'm talking about from the beginning, from the 1920s.

00:29:09.900 There's one interesting thing, because I remember this when I was young.

00:29:13.060 When Tony Blair got in, John Smith died in 1994, I believe it was.

00:29:19.260 He just died out of nowhere.

00:29:20.420 Tony Blair just would have been his home secretary.

00:29:22.600 But he died of natural causes, heart attack or something, out of nowhere.

00:29:25.240 Suddenly Tony Blair, this sort of wannabe up-and-coming home secretary,

00:29:28.900 shadow home secretary, suddenly he's the leader.

00:29:30.700 And what he did in 1995 was he changed the – let's just go back that far.

00:29:37.480 He changed the Labour Constitution to get rid of Clause 4.

00:29:42.100 Clause 4, they called it.

00:29:43.980 Oh, the commitment to re-nationalisation.

00:29:45.820 That's it.

00:29:46.140 Yeah.

00:29:46.580 That's it.

00:29:47.000 So that's an old-school, proper, proper socialist,

00:29:49.200 commie-adjacent thing, old-school red thing,

00:29:52.660 is that the state should nationalise most things.

00:29:55.760 Yes.

00:29:56.100 The vast majority of most things.

00:29:57.560 And Tony Blair got rid of that.

00:29:59.200 Yes.

00:29:59.440 And now lots of people look at that and say, okay, that ushered in, like, what, 10 years of Blair and then more years of Brown.

00:30:09.640 And that sort of made Labour sort of normie friendly.

00:30:13.160 That meant that tabloids could get behind new Labour.

00:30:16.080 But they occupied the centre ground.

00:30:17.480 Right.

00:30:18.360 But, okay, fine.

00:30:20.340 But the left of the Labour Party always hated that.

00:30:25.960 Hated that.

00:30:27.180 That was one of their core things.

00:30:28.560 It's like, we're socialists.

00:30:30.220 We're reds.

00:30:31.120 What Tony Blair has done has sort of profoundly wounded us.

00:30:37.240 Blair just calculated they've got nowhere else to go, so I win.

00:30:41.680 Right.

00:30:42.400 Yeah.

00:30:42.900 So what I've been doing over this weekend is I've been watching

00:30:45.840 as much of the left's output as I can to try and figure out,

00:30:50.180 you know, where they're going.

00:30:51.800 I've got to say...

00:30:52.440 Left-left, like Owen Jones.

00:30:54.040 Yeah, all of that.

00:30:54.800 Where Corbyn isn't left enough.

00:30:58.000 Sorry, Starmer isn't left enough.

00:30:59.900 Funny you mention that, Beau.

00:31:01.300 There we go.

00:31:01.880 Oh, I did not know you had that.

00:31:03.420 Here's a bit of Owen Jones.

00:31:04.880 Okay.

00:31:05.260 So I started watching all the left-wing media this weekend,

00:31:08.780 primarily because I was interested in doing a bit of salt mining.

00:31:12.540 Okay.

00:31:13.200 And then I actually started to see that there's something

00:31:15.400 really interesting going on.

00:31:16.960 Now, actually, these two don't directly address the question

00:31:20.820 that I want to ask because they've already made up their minds on this.

00:31:23.280 Just out of interest, did they talk about Blair and Clause 4 at all?

00:31:26.440 No, Clause 4 didn't come up.

00:31:27.780 Okay, all right.

00:31:28.840 The whole rightward shift of Labour definitely came up.

00:31:32.500 But actually, no, there's only one bit I want to kind of get out of this,

00:31:35.840 which I thought was really interesting,

00:31:37.200 because they talked about how the online left is despised by Labour.

00:31:43.820 Now, just listen to this and tell me,

00:31:45.400 is that not exactly what the online right gets from a form?

00:31:49.280 I'm just going to divert slightly from my topic,

00:31:51.880 but listen to a bit of this, if I can make it work.

00:31:55.980 sounds would make it work something and that that was it i mean it's weird but whatever

00:31:59.580 yeah i mean i find it really interesting the star might faction because

00:32:01.940 i mean the whole project is based essentially on active contempt to a massive chunk of labor's

00:32:08.580 natural core coalition um but i mean what's interesting is the way i guess the right wing

00:32:14.700 project of the labor party evolved because for a long time under blairism it was a denial of class

00:32:17.700 class doesn't exist anymore we're all middle class go about to if you say anything else go

00:32:20.760 you go it's the 60s dinosaur and then you have this reconfiguring of class particularly after

00:32:24.340 brexit along the lines of basically this socially conservative um small town white guy in the 50s

00:32:31.140 who often owns their own home i'm not saying by the way that that segment doesn't exist it does

00:32:34.360 but i'm saying basically it was defined that their political shift and their shift to the right was

00:32:40.040 defined around that person essentially and this active contempt towards people who are basically

00:32:46.920 younger um have progressive social values progressive or progressive sensibility uh you

00:32:53.120 You know, as I said, private renters often in precarious positions.

00:32:55.720 But, you know, the more savvy people, I think John McTurney, for example, is...

00:32:59.500 Anyway, Aaron Bustani makes a good point in response to this.

00:33:04.300 But I just thought it was fascinating.

00:33:06.220 Does he?

00:33:07.480 I don't know what he says, but I doubt it.

00:33:11.060 Sorry, go on.

00:33:11.720 Owen Jones does tend to rumble on, despite speaking very fast.

00:33:14.440 He does go on at length.

00:33:16.440 But I just thought it was fascinating that the online left's problem

00:33:19.740 is that Labour have abandoned class as an issue

00:33:23.160 and they genuinely hate the online left,

00:33:26.440 whereas our whole criticism of reform, for example,

00:33:28.840 is that they have abandoned the ethnicity.

00:33:33.800 They've abandoned the whites and they actually hate it.

00:33:38.200 Patriotism and nativism.

00:33:40.440 So I'm slightly diverting from my point.

00:33:43.280 Yeah, but the left has abandoned class since the 60s.

00:33:47.340 isn't rediscovering fire.

00:33:50.600 Well, yes, and the right has abandoned the native population

00:33:54.680 since at least that long as well.

00:33:56.620 From what I gathered there, I mean,

00:33:57.800 James seems to be annoyed that the Labour Party

00:34:01.640 doesn't really represent full socialism.

00:34:05.420 Yes.

00:34:06.040 Full socialism.

00:34:08.140 And again, I don't want to keep banging on about it,

00:34:10.080 but that clause four thing is all part of that.

00:34:12.400 It's been the case for a while, for quite a while.

00:34:14.920 And the idea that the Labour Party stands up or is in favour of the actual working class, a true sort of 20th century Labour movement, truly in the truest sense.

00:34:27.340 Again, that hasn't been the case for a long, long, long, long, long, long time.

00:34:31.480 So, I mean, what do you expect?

00:34:34.400 But no, this is the point that I actually wanted to come to.

00:34:37.660 So this is a really fascinating discussion.

00:34:39.740 So I'm going to stop this a couple of times and you'll start to see quite quickly why I'm so fascinated with this particular question.

00:34:46.400 So let's listen to, we've got hard left John McDonnell having a conversation with Sam White, a Labour strategist.

00:34:53.160 And I'll stop this in a couple of places, but you'll see why this is interesting.

00:34:55.960 What do they look like, is it, Sam?

00:34:57.340 It's not. And that slightly misstates the problem.

00:34:59.840 When you look at the loss of our voters from 2024

00:35:03.580 to the blocks of the left or blocks to the right,

00:35:06.480 we're losing 17% to the right and 15% to the left.

00:35:10.200 So the idea there's...

00:35:11.320 So just there...

00:35:12.660 I question those numbers, but all right, go on.

00:35:14.900 Well, John MacDonald had different numbers.

00:35:17.120 He said they're losing 16 voters to the left

00:35:19.780 for every 12 they lose to the right.

00:35:21.620 But whatever they are, right?

00:35:23.800 Okay, I mean, whatever.

00:35:24.560 Whatever they are, it's round about 15% is going

00:35:28.640 from the centre out to the right or the left.

00:35:32.120 So just from the start there, if you're a Labour strategist,

00:35:34.360 what the hell do you do about that?

00:35:37.260 Well, it's either you want to...

00:35:38.600 They have to make some sort of decision, don't they,

00:35:40.500 because you need a coherent policy at the heart of government, surely.

00:35:44.340 So do you either try to appease the party,

00:35:47.020 specifically the left of your own party,

00:35:48.840 or do you try and appease the people, the majority of the country,

00:35:52.680 who have got a very different worldview to the left of the party?

00:35:55.820 Even the voters, they're peeling off both ends.

00:35:59.720 It's a sticky wicket for them.

00:36:01.420 They're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

00:36:02.820 It's also difficult because they also want to go back to the EU

00:36:06.020 or at least have closer ties with the EU.

00:36:08.360 And the EU right now does have a shift rightwards,

00:36:12.460 but also the unelected bureaucrats,

00:36:14.600 they just want to keep doing what they're doing right now.

00:36:18.840 But, I mean, Europe's just, from our point of view,

00:36:20.300 Because fundamentally, we don't get to decide what happens largely in Strasbourg or anything.

00:36:27.440 So, at odds with our sovereignty.

00:36:29.940 But they identify themselves as global.

00:36:31.480 I'm talking from a leftist perspective.

00:36:33.420 They don't see a difference in their mind between it being made by a foreigner and it's just this big family of voters.

00:36:38.540 I'll play a little bit more so you can see the horns of the dilemma that Labour Party is really in at the moment.

00:36:43.980 The simple solution by moving left is not an answer, nor probably moving right.

00:36:48.720 it's a much more complex set of problems.

00:36:50.620 No, I agree with that.

00:36:51.500 It's making sure that we're addressing those issues

00:36:53.920 that are facing, first of all, our progressive base,

00:36:57.080 which has always been our base,

00:36:58.620 and then also those that have moved to reform.

00:37:02.100 There are some that have moved to reform on Brexit

00:37:03.880 that are beyond our reach now.

00:37:05.780 But the others actually are the ones that we can win

00:37:08.680 on the same arguments we can use with the progressives,

00:37:11.360 which is about, is the system working for you?

00:37:13.520 It's about wages, it's about being able to afford a roof over your head,

00:37:16.580 whether it's rents or mortgages,

00:37:17.900 And it is also about feeling that the public realm is properly invested in.

00:37:22.960 So are you agreeing with Sam that it would be a mistake to identifiably move Labour to the left?

00:37:28.420 No, it's quite the reverse.

00:37:30.120 Because you would make it impossible to bring back those people who come to reform with more of them.

00:37:34.080 I think it's not about a radical change.

00:37:36.040 It's about making sure we're addressing those issues that that progressive base of ours need to address.

00:37:43.000 And they're very similar to a section that have gone to reform as well.

00:37:46.940 It's largely around this.

00:37:48.200 No, no, no.

00:37:48.880 What are you talking about?

00:37:49.760 Shut up, John McDonnell.

00:37:51.420 You're done.

00:37:52.260 Go away now.

00:37:53.220 You're a dinosaur of the past.

00:37:54.400 I can see the argument he's making.

00:37:56.300 They've got to protect their left flank.

00:37:59.760 Because that's what the Labour Party is.

00:38:01.340 It's a left-wing party.

00:38:02.500 And if you lose your left wing...

00:38:03.480 Yeah, but to what end, though?

00:38:04.900 To still get trounced in 2029?

00:38:06.840 To continue to exist as a political force.

00:38:09.500 Okay, all right.

00:38:10.500 Yeah.

00:38:10.820 But what that's worth...

00:38:12.140 Realistically, I think he's thinking very idealistically.

00:38:15.680 they'll probably have to find dirt on Polanski

00:38:20.220 and circulate it before the next election

00:38:22.580 let me just

00:38:22.960 and just bear in mind that every time Polanski is getting interviewed

00:38:27.080 it doesn't actually work in his favour

00:38:30.360 don't trust Joe McDonnell on anything

00:38:32.620 he's as red as they get

00:38:35.080 so yeah I appreciate that

00:38:37.080 but if they don't move left

00:38:40.160 they cease to exist as a political party

00:38:43.640 that's the kind of argument

00:38:45.100 and and and and you okay so you're probably going to be more on sam's side right so this this is

00:38:50.560 sam's response and and this again this this is the key bit i want to get to you he's actually

00:38:55.180 trying to win the next election listen to this okay you the greens and lib dems you could not

00:39:00.720 get a majority right that would prevent the labor party getting a majority right so that is not an

00:39:05.160 electoral strategy so right so so i mean i i slightly misclipped it there but he said look

00:39:09.960 even if we got back all of the people who went to the Greens and the Lib Dems

00:39:14.040 that were formerly in Labour, that went to the Greens and Lib Dems,

00:39:16.900 even if we got them all back, we wouldn't be able to win a majority.

00:39:20.200 So the Labour strategists, they're like,

00:39:21.940 they're actually trying to win the next election rather than...

00:39:25.200 So whereas John McDonnell, he's having a completely different conversation.

00:39:27.900 He's saying, how do we continue to exist as a political party at all?

00:39:33.320 Okay, yeah, he's having a completely... You're right, okay.

00:39:35.680 Yeah.

00:39:36.320 And so, I mean, this is...

00:39:38.680 But in his paradigm, though, i.e. really far left.

00:39:42.780 Yeah, but that's where the Green voters are.

00:39:46.320 Yeah.

00:39:46.860 So I'm not making the argument that John MacDonald

00:39:49.320 has a superior view for the country.

00:39:52.220 I'm purely asking this as if you wanted, for some reason,

00:39:57.000 if you wanted the Labour Party to continue to exist,

00:39:59.740 what the hell do you do?

00:40:01.540 Can I say something on this?

00:40:03.360 Because there's another way to view it.

00:40:05.560 He does raise this question,

00:40:06.980 but when he asks how do we continue to exist he implies how do we continue to exist as the party

00:40:14.320 we are right now which has the identity we associate with it right now well you can't

00:40:19.180 so he could be saying that it's not that they're going to get zero seats i find this highly

00:40:24.400 unlikely i might get seven well let's see i think that this is a bit premature but let's see i hope

00:40:30.820 you're right i hope you're right what he could be saying is that well we need to we need to be

00:40:37.840 be we need to stay the left-wing party that we already are instead of having someone like starmer

00:40:44.600 who in his own mind is right wing right so it's not like the sets of labor it's about the character

00:40:53.000 of labor yes but you see i think someone like john mcdonald his view is not realistic okay

00:41:01.580 so you save labor sort of a a core a dying white dwarf thing of labor and it's really really far

00:41:09.140 left right okay fine fair enough if you want to do that but then but then never win a general

00:41:15.160 election ever again i mean good okay yes do that then go go ahead yes but i don't know i i've got

00:41:22.640 sympathy for the left-wing argument here because because if i was a neighbor my mindset right now

00:41:26.980 would be not how are we going to try and shoot the lights out and win the next generation i think

00:41:31.040 that's pure fantasy i think the the only question they need to concern themselves is how do we exist

00:41:37.040 as a party at all how do we stop going extinct within the next five years i get it but there's

00:41:43.500 one thing to like just manage to not go extinct there's another thing to never ever win power

00:41:48.720 ever again yeah but if you if you retreat and you survive you can fight another day you can then

00:41:55.240 re-pivot to the center or something later on if you if you cease to exist i mean i mean what are

00:42:00.920 you gonna do i mean i get it yeah but and so i put together this graphic so so you know this is

00:42:07.860 the kind of so so you've got socially conservative socially progressive on one axis and you've got

00:42:12.320 you know, economically left to economically right

00:42:16.360 on another axis.

00:42:18.200 Now, I mean, it used to be so easy

00:42:20.860 because this blue box up here, right,

00:42:23.620 that was Tory.

00:42:26.400 And we can all quibble about exactly where these go.

00:42:29.480 I mean, I...

00:42:30.820 You mean going back to like the 1930s or something?

00:42:33.700 Well, I mean, not even that, 1980s.

00:42:35.360 Okay, yeah.

00:42:36.120 Who did you say?

00:42:37.140 I'm exaggerating, I'm exaggerating.

00:42:38.800 Was it John Smith, the Labour leader?

00:42:41.460 Yeah.

00:42:42.240 Back when it was, was it, yeah, it was John Major and John Smith.

00:42:47.640 Yeah, the red box down here would have been, not all of it,

00:42:51.540 but would have been the Labour position,

00:42:53.640 and most of this would have been the Conservative position, right?

00:42:56.620 Then what happens is Blair comes along, and he's like,

00:43:00.360 okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to move up,

00:43:03.560 and I'm going to take all of this.

00:43:04.700 He blurred the lines.

00:43:05.740 Yes, well, he basically just said, I'm going to capture this centre,

00:43:09.200 i'm going to move right and he's moved right over into the right wing sphere on a whole bunch of

00:43:14.020 stuff all right and the left all this all this kind of half moon here they've got nothing to do

00:43:21.680 but vote for me and then cameron came along and he was like oh hang on a minute that seems to work

00:43:28.580 at the ballot box yes i'm gonna do that so i'm gonna move my sphere down here and actually i

00:43:34.100 should i should have extended it out to lgbd stuff because as they if you ever listen to an

00:43:39.340 interview with david cameron the one thing he wants to talk about is gay marriage yeah he's so

00:43:44.080 proud he's he's so proud of it he's aching with pride for what he did on gay marriage right

00:43:49.640 so that was the situation but what that did is that left everybody up here feeling deeply

00:43:56.900 unsatisfied and the left particularly down here everybody down here was deeply unsatisfied

00:44:02.600 so new parties emerge right and and okay now this is this is the key discuss this to your heart's

00:44:08.260 content chat and panelists but where we are today drum roll this mess right

00:44:15.080 i see what you did there i i absolutely see what you did yes yeah and i'm gonna have to talk you

00:44:23.540 through this because there's a lot of overlapping circles here so green party obviously they are

00:44:27.940 Off the chart.

00:44:28.820 They are off the chart.

00:44:29.580 Quite literally off the chart.

00:44:30.840 Okay.

00:44:31.240 They are queer dancing on stage.

00:44:35.700 They're not just mass immigration.

00:44:37.400 They are unlimited immigration.

00:44:40.440 Literally unlimited.

00:44:40.880 Open borders and Islamist.

00:44:42.960 Yes.

00:44:44.100 Okay.

00:44:44.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:44.860 Right.

00:44:45.200 Yeah.

00:44:45.440 Crazies.

00:44:45.960 I mean, they are the most radical left-wing positions.

00:44:49.400 Right.

00:44:49.480 So that flank is covered.

00:44:50.660 Truly swivel died.

00:44:51.920 Why not?

00:44:52.640 At the other end of the spectrum, we've got Restore Britain.

00:44:55.120 So that dark blue is Restore, not the Conservative.

00:44:57.160 No, this one up here, that is very much restored.

00:45:00.440 That is 1950s demographics, national pride, Christian nation,

00:45:04.940 strong borders, all of that.

00:45:06.780 They are well up here.

00:45:08.980 Then you've got this centre oval here.

00:45:13.640 Can I draw a little?

00:45:14.660 No, I can't draw a little square.

00:45:16.340 This central oval, that's reform.

00:45:19.240 So they're trying to straddle assimilation, multiculturalism,

00:45:22.400 a bit of financial, fiscal discipline, a bit of law,

00:45:24.740 but they are very, very centralist.

00:45:27.160 They're not really getting into family values and strong borders.

00:45:29.980 They're certainly not doing Christian nation.

00:45:32.040 They're certainly not doing national pride,

00:45:33.680 and they're certainly going nowhere near 1950s demographics.

00:45:36.960 They're not doing any of that.

00:45:38.360 They are just absolutely camped out in the centre,

00:45:40.680 and that's why they're pulling support from basically the dissatisfied boomer.

00:45:48.320 You know, you're just as likely to be a reform voter by being,

00:45:52.040 I mean, we saw this with the election results recently,

00:45:53.900 being a Labour voter or a Conservative voter,

00:45:56.100 that they're both equally as likely to come over they're absolutely straddling the center

00:46:00.380 then you've got the the conservative party who um i mean uh you know they still fancy the mass

00:46:08.160 immigration i mean that was that was boris's whole thing cheap cheap labor immigration they

00:46:12.240 now literally got a um a cheap labor uh migration um leading the party but but you know they're

00:46:19.500 they're still in this assimilation and actually for a while this bit in the middle multiculturalism

00:46:23.920 and assimilation just going back to this one no right that one for years you'll remember this

00:46:30.000 blair and cameron all they wanted to do is argue about assimilation versus multiculturalism

00:46:34.420 like that's the big debate are we gonna are we gonna multicultural culture are we gonna

00:46:38.540 assimilate them and and they both agreed that either is fine but they argued about that like

00:46:44.000 that was an issue for years and that was so frustrating anyway um then you've got um yeah

00:46:49.700 so we've done the toys and then you've got the um liberal democrats doing their weird yeah

00:46:54.200 globalized global identity multiculturalism but also local community and protecting rogues right

00:46:59.600 so but anyway my point is right look at this map now consider that you are a labor strategist

00:47:06.920 what the hell do you do literally what the hell do you do with this political map

00:47:14.740 You do what every politician does, lying.

00:47:19.200 What?

00:47:20.720 Lie?

00:47:21.440 You lie, yeah.

00:47:22.580 Yeah, but what do you lie about?

00:47:23.780 You try to convince, you know, the...

00:47:28.180 Almost everyone except Restore

00:47:31.660 that you are the best person who has the bad magic solution.

00:47:36.620 But how does that work?

00:47:37.780 Because you're not going to outlie the green.

00:47:40.240 Because they are authentically proper left.

00:47:42.100 You're not going to be more authentic than reform in the middle.

00:47:45.660 So even if you lie, that doesn't get you anywhere.

00:47:50.320 I would say they've got sort of two choices and they're going to need to make a choice.

00:47:58.340 One is appease the left of their own party and just go full ball with that

00:48:02.620 and get smashed at the next general election.

00:48:06.200 Do that.

00:48:08.000 Go progressive.

00:48:09.080 um you know give someone like owen jones what he wants yeah that's what i say yeah yeah there's

00:48:15.240 that option or the problem problem with that oh is can i mean so so reform's problem is is their

00:48:21.220 centrist and and they find it very difficult to convincingly articulate these positions because

00:48:26.720 people people when given the choice between restore and reform people just go restore

00:48:30.600 if they if these are their values that's what they do so even if you go left how can you convince

00:48:36.460 anybody that you actually mean it well okay well i mean yeah that would be the job of the next two

00:48:42.840 two and a half years wouldn't it depends who they got in charge if someone's convincing enough

00:48:47.680 if andy burnham shtick really works so either go left go full progressive or or the opposite

00:48:55.140 return to like a full-blown blair go to war with the left in your own party and go full blair

00:49:01.700 full sort of old school Tory,

00:49:04.980 sort of go 90s Tory,

00:49:06.000 go Blue Labour.

00:49:07.220 One or the other.

00:49:08.040 They can't please both.

00:49:09.380 Where is it?

00:49:09.860 They can't please both, can they?

00:49:11.000 Obviously.

00:49:11.560 But they've got a choice.

00:49:12.640 They either go with

00:49:13.160 Shabana Mahmood with Blue Labour

00:49:14.540 or they go with Angela Rayner

00:49:16.300 and Soft Left.

00:49:17.280 Yeah.

00:49:17.640 See?

00:49:18.100 Yeah.

00:49:19.160 Anyway, go on.

00:49:20.120 You think they have to give

00:49:21.520 Owen Jones what he wants?

00:49:24.120 Well, no, no.

00:49:25.420 My problem is, right,

00:49:26.480 is I've been thinking about this

00:49:27.900 all weekend

00:49:28.480 and just from the question of

00:49:30.800 if I was a Labour strategist, what the hell would I do?

00:49:33.960 What would you do?

00:49:35.120 I've got a fucking clue.

00:49:36.040 Okay.

00:49:36.700 I have no idea.

00:49:38.500 It's not a simple answer, is it?

00:49:39.540 They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

00:49:41.220 And I'm normally quite good at this stuff.

00:49:42.800 I can normally see the political angles.

00:49:44.780 But I'm looking at this and I'm like...

00:49:47.860 They can't come close to pleasing everybody, can they?

00:49:51.560 Yeah.

00:49:51.880 They cannot.

00:49:53.340 Well...

00:49:54.180 And I'm doing the same because I'm just hoping

00:49:56.940 that somebody in the comments

00:49:58.900 or one of my fellow panellists would be like,

00:50:02.120 oh, no, it's easy.

00:50:02.880 What they do is blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:50:04.180 And I'd be like, oh, yeah.

00:50:05.880 It's not easy.

00:50:06.560 I mean, if I was somehow in charge,

00:50:07.960 if I was quantum leaped into the body of the next Labour leader,

00:50:11.500 I would go the full centrist route.

00:50:15.000 I'd go down the Blairist route of things

00:50:17.660 because at least then in my calculation,

00:50:21.060 you'd get less trounced at the next general election.

00:50:25.520 If you went full progressive, you went full Owen Jones,

00:50:27.920 never go full Owen Jones,

00:50:28.900 um you uh okay you'll appease the the lefties in your party and most of the country won't vote for

00:50:36.480 you well that's okay so that's the problem right so this center axis is actually where most of the

00:50:42.360 votes live yeah of course right i actually i i think it's probably um i i i don't know i i don't

00:50:51.120 think the restore is quite there if you were to take the restore and move it up and to the right

00:50:55.460 a bit but not all the way not everybody actually wants to go for full christian nation and 90s 50s

00:51:00.660 demographic but actually i do think the sweet spot is is kind of that right and and reform is

00:51:07.260 but the point is there are a lot of votes in the middle because most people are scared and they

00:51:12.380 don't engage in politics and actually whatever the media says is kind of where they frame their

00:51:16.020 assumptions and stuff but look at how competed that center bit is there's like four parties

00:51:23.420 overlapping it

00:51:24.180 what would you do

00:51:26.500 help me out

00:51:28.000 first of all

00:51:28.480 if I had a solution

00:51:30.840 for labour

00:51:31.980 I wouldn't say it out loud

00:51:33.800 clever

00:51:36.000 clever

00:51:37.060 we'll just say it quietly

00:51:39.580 just between us

00:51:40.220 just whisper it

00:51:41.060 yeah I'll just whisper

00:51:42.140 no one's listening

00:51:42.980 the labour whisperer

00:51:44.200 do you

00:51:45.400 can you actually imagine

00:51:46.940 a solution

00:51:47.460 even if you're not

00:51:48.820 going to say it

00:51:49.220 can you honestly say

00:51:50.680 it's hard to imagine

00:51:52.380 to be honest

00:51:53.180 it's hard to imagine yeah because they have completely they they have the worst of both

00:51:59.440 worlds they have the bad elements of the center and also the bad elements are really bad elements

00:52:07.760 from the left they have no character yeah they really got essentially what they what they have

00:52:13.620 is the marketing of we are relatively serious and the previous guys were dog you know yeah

00:52:21.420 crap i think the most fundamental thing problem for the labour party is that both the old school

00:52:27.160 progressive kirk hardy style labour movement style socialist labour and the blairite new

00:52:34.720 labour movement and all that stuff both of those are now out of date yeah both of those the world

00:52:40.380 has moved on from that most people i think the majority of people in britain don't want any of

00:52:44.580 that i think they can't go they can't go to and convince the working class because the working

00:52:51.200 class knows already the impact of mass migration on on their wages so they can't convince them with

00:52:58.380 but you'll have more nhs they can't do this so the so the paradigm used to be the working class

00:53:05.620 they'll double down on the far-right extremist uh catchphrase for all the rest it's the only thing

00:53:11.920 they can they can do from a political angle so the issue used to be they used to be the working

00:53:15.720 class and then the middle class and upper class and the sort of middle upper class they tended

00:53:19.240 to vote conservative and the working class voted the labor the problem the left has got now is that

00:53:24.580 actually if you're if you're working class as in you actually have a job you already restore or

00:53:30.340 reform they've actually now got the benefit class and the benefit class are so unmoored from reality

00:53:37.120 but they don't have to care about financial reality at all.

00:53:42.260 So I think if I was a Labour MP,

00:53:45.200 I would probably back Angela Rayner now

00:53:48.060 and just try and straddle the bit on the left

00:53:50.820 that isn't quite as mental,

00:53:53.200 but is at least a little bit crowded.

00:53:55.080 I want to move myself out of that reform bubble a bit

00:53:57.820 and I would go with the soft left for Angela Rayner.

00:54:01.500 Where's the image?

00:54:03.880 There we go.

00:54:04.620 I would probably go soft left,

00:54:06.060 but it's a really hard question i don't know and that's the issue bearing in mind what you just

00:54:10.780 asked that they are relying on the benefit class don't they need a big pie to distribute to the

00:54:18.840 benefit class oh i think it definitely follows at this point i'm ignoring governing reality entirely

00:54:25.960 i'm i'm purely thinking how does the labor party continue to exist for another decade

00:54:32.780 That's all I'm thinking about at this point.

00:54:35.460 And I can't figure this shit out.

00:54:37.460 I'm a bit black-filled with politics.

00:54:38.440 I think that they will exist.

00:54:40.020 I'm not happy to say this.

00:54:41.560 Will they?

00:54:42.300 Let's see.

00:54:43.960 Anyway, if anybody can figure out what the hell to do

00:54:48.320 if you're a Labour strategist, say the comments,

00:54:51.020 because I haven't got a damn clue.

00:54:52.940 One possible idea is that thing I said,

00:54:57.100 where the party moves to the centre and blue Labour

00:55:01.660 and purges itself of its own left.

00:55:05.500 Yeah, but then you're in reform territory

00:55:06.720 and you're going to get eaten.

00:55:08.020 Maybe, maybe not.

00:55:09.620 Yeah.

00:55:09.980 I feel like you've actually got a fighting chance

00:55:12.240 at a general election then.

00:55:14.760 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:55:16.380 There's an even more sinister solution

00:55:18.520 is open the borders even more

00:55:21.400 and push for political rights for those who enter,

00:55:26.620 just like the person you mentioned in the beginning

00:55:28.800 who just, from a refugee,

00:55:32.740 went straight forward to a councillor.

00:55:35.920 Yep.

00:55:36.760 The full...

00:55:37.580 So that's the...

00:55:38.860 Yeah, the full invasion strategy.

00:55:40.420 The launch invasion of this country.

00:55:43.540 Right.

00:55:44.480 Like having a transgender Tamil

00:55:47.260 become a Scottish Member of Parliament

00:55:49.280 without a visa to work.

00:55:52.680 Yeah.

00:55:52.920 Yeah, just dial that up.

00:55:54.360 Yeah, maybe.

00:55:55.200 Maybe.

00:55:55.340 Why not?

00:55:56.080 Why not?

00:55:56.640 I don't want to get into Stelios' segment,

00:55:58.440 I'll show you more videos with the leftists.

00:56:01.460 Owen Jones speaking with this.

00:56:04.220 Yes.

00:56:05.560 And the other ones afterwards.

00:56:06.920 So Vandrill says, hey, lads, I love your work.

00:56:09.880 I know things are quite exciting here in the UK right now,

00:56:12.940 but it would be interesting comparing Starmer's situation

00:56:16.260 to Germany's Mertz.

00:56:17.720 Both are quite similar these days.

00:56:19.180 Yes, they're both screwed.

00:56:21.480 But, yeah, that is a good point, and thank you for the $5.

00:56:24.120 Sigelstone says, Dan, you look rough.

00:56:25.740 How did your job interview at JP Morgan go?

00:56:28.440 Well, the unpaid internship does have some perks,

00:56:32.020 so I'll just say that.

00:56:33.260 He's funny, that Sigil Stoner.

00:56:35.240 He says funny stuff.

00:56:37.740 O'Puck says, Starmer just said he refused to quit

00:56:40.720 in response to questions about just Philip jumping ship,

00:56:44.180 which probably means he'd be gone by supper.

00:56:46.860 Fallen Firebird says,

00:56:47.880 the reasonably sane people and legacy voters

00:56:50.760 are being squeezed out of Labour by the right reform,

00:56:54.260 mainly while the insane voters are being squeezed out by the Greens.

00:56:56.980 Yep, that is exactly the problem I got with this.

00:57:00.860 Johnny says, I would look at modular politics,

00:57:03.580 try and test systems directly for public scrutiny.

00:57:07.080 Occhidor says, to me, it sounds like a name rebranding

00:57:11.440 more than a stance change to fool people's money.

00:57:14.180 And Stiglestone also says, I know what you do as a labour strategist.

00:57:17.860 You get the bottle from your desk, drink it all,

00:57:20.580 then you go to your bottom drawer for the snub nose.

00:57:23.720 That is probably...

00:57:25.720 Why do you also give Owen's voice?

00:57:26.780 That's very dark.

00:57:27.600 That is actually probably the best.

00:57:28.880 Where's the lie, though?

00:57:29.960 Where's the lie?

00:57:33.480 Next segment, Samson.

00:57:36.000 He doesn't like to load the segments.

00:57:38.200 Samson, wake up, Samson.

00:57:39.460 He's done it.

00:57:40.200 Sorry.

00:57:40.320 That's it.

00:57:40.980 Right.

00:57:43.620 He's waving his fist at me.

00:57:46.840 Sorry, Samson did nothing wrong.

00:57:48.340 Hashtag pray for Samson.

00:57:49.300 Samson did nothing wrong.

00:57:51.220 Right.

00:57:52.140 We're going to talk about the alien question.

00:57:54.660 and i do believe that the truth is out there i really believe that the truth is out there

00:58:01.360 oh yeah because we've been busy with british politics has he actually said that there are

00:58:05.740 aliens you will see right but the truth is out there so donald trump announces the declassification

00:58:13.360 of documents regarding um they don't call it ufos nowadays which is unidentified flying objects

00:58:20.560 Everyone knows they call it UAPs, which is Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.

00:58:26.180 We'll talk a bit about why this change happened, but let's listen to what Donald Trump said here.

00:58:32.040 I think we're going to be releasing as much as we can in the near future for some reason.

00:58:39.080 And I guess it's just a reason it's been in the minds of people for a long time.

00:58:43.520 And that is such, they want to find out about the UFOs and anything having to do with UFO or related material.

00:58:51.740 And we're going to be releasing a lot of things from that we have.

00:58:54.940 And I think some of it's going to be very interesting to people.

00:58:57.860 I've interviewed people.

00:59:00.200 So there are several questions here.

00:59:02.080 First of all, it's a good thing that they are releasing documents.

00:59:06.860 In my mind, that's a good thing.

00:59:08.840 But there are several questions that we need to ask.

00:59:11.780 Like, why does he say that a few files at a time will be released?

00:59:17.720 I think that people deserve the truth.

00:59:20.720 Hasn't it been the argument for a long time, ever since, what,

00:59:25.200 the 40s or something or the 50s, that full disclosure,

00:59:28.760 full hangout, Band-Aid ripped-off disclosure would be so, like,

00:59:33.620 psychologically damaging to the average normie that society as we know it

00:59:38.020 would crumble to pieces straight away?

00:59:40.800 All religions would be abandoned.

00:59:42.880 All cities would be in flames within moments if they did such a thing.

00:59:46.320 It's like Indiana Jones 4 towards the end, you know,

00:59:49.880 where she touches the skull and her head explodes.

00:59:53.320 Or if you look at the Ark of the Covenant, your face just melts.

00:59:57.120 Yes.

00:59:57.640 So another question is, do these files that have been released

01:00:01.780 prove the existence of aliens?

01:00:03.980 Some high-profile individuals think that they do.

01:00:08.520 I'll mention a retired admiral who said that he thinks it does.

01:00:12.280 Did you say retired or retarded admiral?

01:00:14.680 Retired.

01:00:15.260 Okay, okay.

01:00:16.140 Could be both.

01:00:17.380 And also there's another question that we definitely have to ask is,

01:00:20.980 do aliens exist?

01:00:22.200 And I think that we have to touch upon this question

01:00:24.800 towards the end of the segment

01:00:25.940 because the people deserve to know the truth

01:00:28.260 and also our audience deserves to know the truth about us.

01:00:31.860 Can I say one little element which I'd just like to put to bed?

01:00:34.200 I don't know if you were going to touch on this or not.

01:00:36.060 But whenever you talk about this stuff,

01:00:37.580 inevitably some people say it's all just a smokescreen to take attention away from other

01:00:42.700 things whether it's the war in iran the epstein files any other any other sort of scandals that

01:00:47.840 are going on all of this is just a distraction i just want to say they may well be right but we're

01:00:54.260 going to talk about it anyway yeah we absolutely will and i think it's a good idea for the audience

01:01:00.460 to tell us in the chat and also the comment section what they think about this whether they

01:01:05.920 think aliens exist and whether they think that these declassified documents actually prove the

01:01:11.180 existence of aliens. Hang on, it's a question, do aliens exist anywhere in the universe? Yes.

01:01:17.700 Or is it, do aliens exist and have visited us? I'm pretty certain that you can add an extra

01:01:25.160 paragraph if you want to talk about them visiting us. Right, so speaking of the truth being out

01:01:31.100 there there's a document there's a article on ellie called the truth is out there written by

01:01:39.600 bo dade here and published um almost five years ago four years and 11 months if you want to be

01:01:48.260 more exact and bo is talking about the truth being out there so bo do you what what do you think i

01:01:54.520 can give you my take in general yeah okay so one are there aliens in the cosmos i mean yes

01:02:00.680 because if space is infinite and so far as far as we can tell it seems to be

01:02:06.160 then it's a mathematical certainty that there are aliens not only are there aliens there's an

01:02:11.580 infinite variety of them that's the nature of infinity so mathematically it's something like

01:02:16.920 a certainty have they visited earth ah well that's something entirely entirely different

01:02:21.460 my gut says probably no possible but my gut says says no there's lots and lots of reasons why

01:02:28.560 that's much more far-fetched to me much much far far if they can't travel faster than light

01:02:34.800 it's very very difficult to move between planets and you just almost certainly wouldn't be able

01:02:39.420 to move between galaxies just no way there's still ways you can do it even with ftl right so let's

01:02:46.240 save this well let's save this discussion for the towards the end of the segment all right let's

01:02:51.020 look at the reception of this move by the trump administration we have here the director of the

01:02:57.200 age of disclosure saying he believes trump will be one the one to finally reveal that humanity

01:03:03.920 isn't alone okay um he is enthusiastic about it there's another uh viewpoint that is not

01:03:10.220 enthusiastic about it dr stephen greer is just clarify my position as a site you hadn't quite

01:03:15.620 finished i was just saying i think aliens alien life forms even an infinite variety of them are

01:03:21.020 in the universe, whether they've visited us or not,

01:03:26.720 I suspect not, but it is possible.

01:03:29.580 That is actually a possibility.

01:03:31.940 For me, I'm going to need full-blown slam-dunk evidence

01:03:36.040 because I want it to be the case.

01:03:38.380 I'm honest about that.

01:03:39.240 I want us to have been visited by aliens, so that's my bias.

01:03:43.100 But until I have full-blown slam-dunk evidence,

01:03:46.360 and so far what we've got still isn't, for me,

01:03:49.400 doesn't doesn't hit that threshold yeah so i'm not ruling it out but i haven't seen good enough

01:03:55.700 evidence yet despite everything the tic-tac incident commander fravers incident loads of

01:04:00.140 these things are extremely interesting they come extremely close to that threshold for me

01:04:04.500 but it's not quite there let's look at the footage okay right so uh let me just say here

01:04:11.080 dr stephen greer of another project which is called i think the disclosure project

01:04:16.000 says that he isn't particularly he doesn't think that the Trump administration is in control

01:04:23.980 and there is a shadow government and probably part members of this shadow government have

01:04:30.760 dirt on people on the Trump administration and that is why the Trump administration isn't

01:04:35.580 releasing all of it that's just his take I'm talking about the different yeah I'm talking

01:04:41.120 two different ways that this has been received can i mention something real quick about jimmy

01:04:46.640 carter yeah it's the thing i quite often bring up when we talk about this sort of thing when jimmy

01:04:51.160 carter was president of the united states in the 1970s he asked to for the highest possible

01:04:55.880 clearance way higher military clearance than the president himself gets which is strange he's

01:05:00.800 supposed to be the commander-in-chief and the head of government head of state in fact

01:05:03.380 but he had to apply to the pentagon for even higher clearance to see absolutely everything

01:05:08.300 that was going on, the office of the president had to apply for that

01:05:11.240 and he was denied.

01:05:12.000 Really?

01:05:12.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:13.220 And he was denied.

01:05:14.760 The Pentagon said, no, no, that's not for your eyes.

01:05:20.860 Now that does play into...

01:05:22.200 So that's a real thing?

01:05:23.180 Yeah, look it up.

01:05:23.980 Yeah, look it up.

01:05:25.020 For real.

01:05:25.700 For reals.

01:05:27.400 He should have started firing generals until one of them gave him the clearance.

01:05:31.240 He could have gone berserk, couldn't he?

01:05:32.980 He perhaps should have at that.

01:05:35.020 Wow.

01:05:35.300 But that does speak of, if you want to characterize it as a shadow government, it certainly is sort of a parallel power structure of some type, isn't it?

01:05:45.160 Certainly.

01:05:45.820 Yeah, definitely.

01:05:46.640 And there are people who are saying that within the Pentagon, there is a group of UFO enthusiasts, in a way, who are really hardcore and really want to pursue UFO research and keep it classified.

01:06:01.860 Marco Rubio says something sensible.

01:06:04.260 I'd say he says that people deserve to know the truth.

01:06:07.640 If an object is important enough to shoot,

01:06:13.680 you have to also see what it is.

01:06:17.080 He's talking about shooting.

01:06:18.260 That sounds reasonable, actually.

01:06:19.620 Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

01:06:20.720 Because this is what the US government's position is at the moment,

01:06:23.340 isn't it, whether it's the FBI or whether it's the Pentagon.

01:06:26.480 They say there just certainly are unidentified aerial phenomenon.

01:06:29.980 That's not in question now.

01:06:31.080 yeah it's just are they are they ours the united states do they belong to russia or china or are

01:06:37.200 they potentially from another world yes we the americans we don't know that right so i want this

01:06:44.740 are things in the sky that we can't identify i want us to look at some of the these videos and

01:06:50.060 have the debate of whether they prove the existence of aliens because i'm sure beau

01:06:55.700 from what you described you're gonna be like the the hardcore vatican priests in horror movies

01:07:02.500 who really like exorcisms but they're really skeptical with respect to lots of reports about

01:07:08.420 exorcisms okay yeah you really want the you really want the the aliens to to visit earth

01:07:14.980 resumably sure so long as they have good intentions right yeah because i mean in war of the worlds

01:07:19.900 they they had bad intentions but thankfully it was something like a bacteria like e coli

01:07:24.920 that completely wiped them out but let's see and dan i think you're less skeptical yeah you think

01:07:31.720 that there are aliens so i can easily come up with the scenario as to how there are aliens here even

01:07:36.400 with the limitations of ftl right so the very simple version is they got here a very long time

01:07:42.280 ago and just left autonomous probes in the outer solar system that periodically check up on us

01:07:47.540 like like a you know like a robot vacuum but like that except every so often they come in and they

01:07:53.000 check are these guys are these guys there yet and then they bug off again and the reason they're

01:07:57.200 coming around more now is because the the alien robot vacuum cleaner was like yeah something's

01:08:01.720 starting to happen here they noticed high altitude nuclear tests or something something like that's

01:08:06.460 really cool there's just no evidence for it whatsoever well still is about to show let us all

01:08:12.080 okay my co-hosts and the audience come back to the lotus seat of the situation room okay and ask

01:08:18.000 ourselves what are we watching right now okay so this is the one of the videos it's a boat isn't

01:08:25.200 it yeah with lots of aliens that's just a boat yeah do you see this that's an unidentified aerial

01:08:33.480 phenomena what are we watching here could that not just be a swan sped up maybe the boat is going

01:08:40.060 really slowly right let's look at this one i think this is the one that has generated the most

01:08:47.840 buzz let's look at what is this just yeah yeah what are we looking at here and it follows a

01:08:57.260 really weird trajectory you can see here this is like a no no seriously what am i looking is this

01:09:01.460 a sky or i mean what's the context of this is this is just a blurred image yeah but what do

01:09:08.020 you think this is i've got a bloody clue because it is an unidentified aerial phenomenon isn't it

01:09:13.860 That's exactly its description.

01:09:15.240 You're looking up at the sky.

01:09:16.440 Look at the parachute here.

01:09:17.980 And there's a vapour trail behind it.

01:09:19.680 There is a vapour trail behind it.

01:09:21.060 Yes.

01:09:23.240 Why can't...

01:09:24.680 Why is it, right, that alien videos have remained stuck at, like, 1980s resolutions?

01:09:31.360 It's suspicious, isn't it?

01:09:32.360 But on my bloody phone, I now get, like, whatever it is.

01:09:36.960 I get ultra-high 4K def shit, whatever, on this.

01:09:41.320 Do you see the parachute here?

01:09:44.660 Is it an alien parachuting on Earth?

01:09:48.720 Well, one of the things I would say is, first of all,

01:09:50.260 like that star shape of it, that will almost certainly

01:09:52.260 be to do with lenses and stuff.

01:09:55.420 That's not necessarily what you would have seen

01:09:57.380 if you could see it, if you could resolve it

01:09:59.280 with your naked eye.

01:10:00.060 You wouldn't see that star shape thing.

01:10:03.200 But the way it's moving around, if it is indeed

01:10:05.320 an object in the sky and that is indeed

01:10:06.660 some sort of vapour trail behind it,

01:10:08.140 it's moving unlike a conventional craft, isn't it?

01:10:11.380 We can say that.

01:10:12.020 does that say it's from another star system it was manufactured by alien hands on another world

01:10:18.480 that could be a bit of glitter on the lens right okay it could just um to add to what you were

01:10:24.240 saying the the several skeptics here are talking about the bokeh phenomenon which has to do with

01:10:31.060 lenses that you mentioned and they're saying that depending on the video or device you're using

01:10:38.060 to shoot a video there are there there's a particular shape that is imposed yes of course

01:10:44.280 yeah what is being protected like when you see stars from it so they're saying it's this

01:10:49.060 bukhaki phenomena it's just

01:10:50.960 no it's right for example on james webb they use hexagon shaped mirrors so quite often stars

01:10:58.780 appear with like six big rays coming off and that's because it's the nature of the the thing

01:11:04.280 So that's what you would see there

01:11:06.200 It's to do with light and lenses

01:11:08.640 Yeah but it could be the case though

01:11:10.940 That we are all just like

01:11:14.480 We're excessively sceptical now

01:11:17.620 And we aren't accepting the reality of aliens

01:11:20.400 It could be the case

01:11:21.460 Just give me one video in high def

01:11:22.880 Look at this here

01:11:23.640 That's what I'm asking for

01:11:25.720 There's some clouds

01:11:27.400 Yeah but do you see this?

01:11:30.600 I see it

01:11:31.060 This is no cloud

01:11:34.280 This looks like a giant flying jellyfish.

01:11:38.340 We could just be in the diamond top.

01:11:39.920 With a diamond top.

01:11:41.480 What is this?

01:11:43.460 It's an unidentified aerial phenomenon.

01:11:47.160 Isn't it?

01:11:48.240 It's that, at least.

01:11:49.440 Yeah, the question is, what is this unidentified aerial phenomenon?

01:11:53.080 I don't know.

01:11:53.780 I like thinking that it's a flying jellyfish.

01:11:57.260 Because of the parallax effect, it could be moving hardly at all.

01:12:01.020 Well, not hardly at all, but not at...

01:12:03.280 Could be a weather.

01:12:04.640 Look at this here also.

01:12:06.080 It's probably not the parallax effect.

01:12:07.860 See this?

01:12:08.820 Was that an alien?

01:12:09.880 Sorry, I didn't see it.

01:12:10.760 That one was too quick.

01:12:11.340 Let's replay it.

01:12:12.000 Go on.

01:12:12.840 Let me play it again.

01:12:14.640 Look at what is happening.

01:12:18.900 Samson, make it work.

01:12:22.040 Samson.

01:12:22.740 Here we go.

01:12:23.160 Your expertise is required.

01:12:25.260 Press play.

01:12:26.860 Am I looking?

01:12:27.560 Yeah.

01:12:27.660 Of that.

01:12:28.100 Okay.

01:12:28.660 That basically looked like a rocket.

01:12:30.400 Sorry.

01:12:30.980 Yeah.

01:12:31.440 Like a missile.

01:12:32.140 It did look a bit.

01:12:32.980 right so i think that that's the that's my favorite one the flying jellyfish are you sure

01:12:38.900 that this isn't an alien look at the way it moves it has a very suspicious way about it

01:12:50.100 what am i oh look at it here so no i can't i can't take this seriously because look look at

01:12:56.420 this because the camera is mounted to a plane yeah so i mean what you said the parallax effect

01:13:02.320 I've never heard of your Bukaki effect before.

01:13:04.760 But because the camera is moving in relation to the object,

01:13:10.020 you can't really tell what the object is actually doing.

01:13:13.040 This is, it's unidentified and it shows that there is an intention behind it, doesn't it?

01:13:21.080 I think Dan makes a really, really good point that if we're back in like 1986

01:13:25.020 and there just simply hasn't been a high resolution slam dunk bit of footage,

01:13:30.840 Well, I can sort of believe it.

01:13:32.560 But nowadays, nowadays, how haven't we got,

01:13:36.040 why is it always really, really poor,

01:13:39.380 like low resolution quality, always?

01:13:41.380 I call this the stocker's car.

01:13:45.900 Look at this.

01:13:47.700 It's like you're driving at night.

01:13:49.560 It's really dark and the stock is behind you.

01:13:51.620 I don't know what I'm looking at.

01:13:52.800 Maybe that is somebody driving at night.

01:13:54.640 I mean, again, the image quality is so shit.

01:13:57.860 And I mean, yeah, to your point, Beau,

01:14:00.160 the amount of times we've covered like a random stabbing and most of the time right when there's

01:14:06.320 been a random stabbing there has been somebody just on their phone who happens to capture it

01:14:11.660 on camera like all the time like most things happen they just happen to be caught on camera

01:14:17.220 and you're not telling me that somebody just hasn't happened to caught catch on camera

01:14:21.920 in high death a bloody squid just or whatever just um here retired i'll just add to that

01:14:29.940 not just normal people on their phone,

01:14:32.440 which is a reasonable ask, in my opinion,

01:14:34.500 at this point in 2026,

01:14:35.820 but with all sorts of military-grade equipment,

01:14:40.600 not one spy satellite, not one fast jet,

01:14:43.680 not one, all the optics and various radars and sonars

01:14:48.680 and all sorts of things on endless military hardware,

01:14:52.320 software, has captured, again,

01:14:54.500 some sort of slam-dunk piece of evidence.

01:14:56.880 Not once.

01:14:57.540 And the thing is, right, I've seen the US...

01:14:59.360 I want to believe.

01:15:00.220 I want to believe.

01:15:00.880 I've seen the US military spending budget, right?

01:15:03.340 And I know how much defence contractors are making.

01:15:06.480 So you're seriously going to tell me for the last, whatever,

01:15:08.680 the last 60 years, they've been like, yeah, spend more money,

01:15:11.580 spend more money, buy a better missile, buy a better missile.

01:15:13.840 And then every time they got to the optics, they're like, oh, yeah,

01:15:16.360 but we've still got that 1980s camera, so, yeah,

01:15:19.340 we're just going to stick that on the bottom of the jet.

01:15:21.360 It's like, no.

01:15:22.700 I think retired Admiral Gallaudet has a different opinion to you,

01:15:27.840 gentlemen.

01:15:28.380 He might be there.

01:15:29.220 It can't be explained by a drone or a helicopter.

01:15:32.540 It is adds to the body of evidence that's occurring now in terms of video data and imagery that has convinced me that we are not alone in the universe.

01:15:43.420 The truth is out there.

01:15:44.380 So he says this, and he also says that in response to the Rubia line, that this couldn't be Russian or Chinese.

01:15:54.000 It couldn't be.

01:15:54.840 That's what he says because this is what he says towards the end of the interview

01:16:00.000 because he says he's intimately aware with the technology of China and Russia

01:16:06.340 and it's not theirs.

01:16:08.780 There's loads of things like the Tic Tac incident,

01:16:11.060 like the testimony of someone like Bob Lazar.

01:16:15.120 There's loads of things.

01:16:15.700 Obama just not that long ago said, oh, no, there are aliens.

01:16:18.880 Do you remember that on a podcast about six months ago?

01:16:21.300 He just said, oh, no, yeah, there are.

01:16:22.280 Oh, yeah, and the interviewer didn't think it warranted a follow-up.

01:16:26.160 So I've got so many questions.

01:16:29.340 I'm not ruling it out.

01:16:30.440 I'm not one of those people who just laugh at you as a tinfoil hat wearer.

01:16:33.760 I think Thunderfoot does that still to this day, right?

01:16:35.900 If you think there are aliens, you're just a mindless little child moron

01:16:39.920 and there's nothing else to be said.

01:16:41.880 I'm not that.

01:16:43.240 But give me a slam-dunk bit of evidence.

01:16:46.800 So all I'm asking, one bit as well.

01:16:48.720 And then I'm there.

01:16:49.660 But so far, unfortunately, because I want it to,

01:16:53.940 but I haven't got that at this point.

01:16:56.200 So the response was that of a craze, I'd say.

01:17:01.520 And I think the Daily Mail US really went for it.

01:17:04.620 And some of their posts are really, really funny.

01:17:07.780 And also in articles, they say religious leaders told,

01:17:11.140 prepare now for UFO disclosure to unleash Bible-changing revelations.

01:17:17.440 All right.

01:17:17.800 Come on.

01:17:19.120 curb your enthusiasm what would that be like um yeah jesus jesus was real good news and we can

01:17:25.280 prove it bad news he was an alien they say that fbi files reveal reports of four foot tall beings

01:17:33.540 emerging from if she was your boss at jp morgan yeah what would you do then i mean don't you

01:17:43.400 fall in love with aliens don't you fall in love with the rides at least this one doesn't look

01:17:48.160 particularly tentacling so i think i'm still going to say no the other problem with all of this is

01:17:55.640 an alien med coming your way yes is disinformation and misinformation not in the sort of uh bbc

01:18:03.660 verifier sense but in sort of the truest the truest sort of darkest sense that people in

01:18:12.920 the intelligence service in the united states whether it's the pentagon or whether it's the

01:18:16.020 fbi or whatever very very have certainly i think very very very deliberately muddied the waters

01:18:22.720 with disinformation and misinformation so that it's extremely difficult to unpick if ever

01:18:29.500 things that are quote unquote real and things that aren't there's loads and loads of red herrings

01:18:35.600 very very gaslighting very very deliberately thrown out there so it's a it's quite a it's

01:18:41.720 quite a complicated tapestry to try and unpick so they uh circulated this article by stacy

01:18:49.460 liberatore i hope i pronounced it correctly they say fbi reveals reports of four foot tall

01:18:55.280 beings emerging from f from ufos and they got community noted basically

01:19:01.720 yeah again can we have a picture what picture of what four for aliens coming out what's the

01:19:08.580 community here isn't that enough for you dan well that's that's been ai generated are you sure are

01:19:17.140 you sure really aliens have the same facial layout as us really i mean slightly different nose i mean

01:19:23.740 that's a that's a voldemort nose and red eyes it's like no i wouldn't look at her and say she's a

01:19:30.820 she's a human to your point about an infinite universe presumably the unit if the universe

01:19:34.660 really is infinite when there would be a planet where there's having a podcast with guests that

01:19:39.900 look exactly like us except they haven't got beards and they're and they're good or something

01:19:44.200 not only is there one there's an infinite number of those yes that's the nature of infinity so

01:19:51.840 actually and this is mind-boggling yeah there's there's possibly a world out there where there's

01:19:56.460 a podcast like that with guests like us but they somehow have a parallel base takes well that's

01:20:01.980 unlikely yeah now you're getting into the realms of fantasy more based than us come on come on

01:20:08.420 let's get real so tell us in the comments if you think aliens exist if you think that they have

01:20:13.340 visited earth and if you think that these files are proving and demonstrating the existence of

01:20:20.660 aliens and also tell us why you think that they're being released slowly instead of all in one go

01:20:26.620 not good at a load of shit that's why i thought i thought you were gonna play the defense line

01:20:33.800 i thought you were gonna be like oh yeah it's totally real it's totally no i can't i can

01:20:37.840 construct a set of scenarios that could explain it right but it's just a potential explanation

01:20:43.700 i still want to see the bloody video before i say yeah that is a thing okay yeah fair enough

01:20:48.060 it's like the exorcist i mentioned before it's like you do want to do the lord's work but you

01:20:54.080 don't want to you don't want to respond to pranks or crazy people you want to establish that this is

01:21:01.080 a demonic possession yes should you do you want to do your ramble rents first yep um johannes

01:21:09.260 hugenboom stelius what about them cannons yeah what about them awesome sigil stone 17 if aliens

01:21:17.780 are visiting us and they haven't vaporized the un yet i have serious question about their morals

01:21:23.080 yep a drunk drunk changeling my favorite theory is that earth is actually an insane death world

01:21:30.620 by galactic standards and the aliens are trying to keep up a quarantine yeah i say that that

01:21:37.420 planet there has been populated by um psychopathic monkeys yeah of some type that can't stop killing

01:21:45.120 each other so play keep them don't let them ever get off that so play that out we have one of those

01:21:50.500 and it's called North Sentinel Island.

01:21:52.780 And Indians are like, yeah, they're too mental.

01:21:56.500 Don't go anywhere near them.

01:21:58.560 So are there space aliens?

01:22:01.540 Like we are so far down the pile that space aliens,

01:22:04.840 space Indians are like, yeah, don't go anywhere near them.

01:22:08.680 We need to be kept in the straitjacket of our own planet

01:22:11.580 for our own good and everyone else is good.

01:22:14.340 Quite right, Mr. White says,

01:22:16.420 how can we catch footage of ball lightning

01:22:19.220 lightning blimmin rare and good quality footage but crap footage of blips going by

01:22:24.760 it's a fair question isn't it at this stage yeah again if it was 1978 i could buy it but

01:22:30.740 it's not fallen firebird says we see ufos as starships because that's what we would need

01:22:38.000 but alien life could be something far beyond what we even consider life or could comprehend

01:22:43.320 sentient alien could be giant flying jellyfish absolutely it doesn't have to be anthropomorphic

01:22:49.800 it could be the size of a virus yeah couldn't it yeah also like bacteria or

01:22:56.560 i don't know the fluidic structure that the processes the world through chemical interactions

01:23:02.500 it could be all sorts of things johnny logo says alex davis jones mp has resigned as well

01:23:08.000 i think that's uh not relevant to the segment to to the u to the alien segment that's for another

01:23:15.780 one um sigil stone 17 says remember when they released the epstein files a few at a time in

01:23:24.980 waves and that cleared up the issue and everything was settled and we all had complete knowledge of

01:23:29.820 the issue yep they don't like the full hangout whether it's jfk mlk epstein this they don't like

01:23:36.340 the full disclosure, do they?

01:23:40.300 Yeah.

01:23:40.960 Let's go to the videos and the comments.

01:23:52.700 Solving crimes to protect innocent civilians from violent criminals.

01:23:56.700 There's only one way to accomplish that.

01:23:58.560 To complete an industrial amount of mercy killings.

01:24:01.260 Friedrich Nietzsche famously proclaimed,

01:24:03.440 God is dead.

01:24:04.600 But he had syphilis in his brain,

01:24:06.200 So what the fuck does he know?

01:24:07.920 God is alive and well, and he's covered in the blood of short men,

01:24:11.960 where government-issue rations are highly medicated and hair is illegal.

01:24:16.180 To answer your question, it is as great as it sounds.

01:24:20.940 Is he doing a series of...

01:24:22.800 I feel like they're like adverts, aren't they?

01:24:24.160 They're like Robocop-style funny...

01:24:25.940 I don't know, that's the impression I got.

01:24:28.480 I'll keep an eye out for those, then.

01:24:30.880 So in that takeaway there was the place where Charlene Downs was supposedly murdered.

01:24:36.200 and right by it we have a gay crossing a drag show bar and a man bar and still near where

01:24:46.760 Charlene Downs was supposedly murdered we have this gay fetish shop

01:24:53.280 this is the future that the Green Party want

01:24:58.120 I don't like this

01:25:01.920 Yeah

01:25:03.180 The

01:25:03.920 The degeneration

01:25:05.340 Of our society

01:25:06.500 Don't like that

01:25:08.520 Anyone who doesn't know

01:25:09.160 The allegation

01:25:10.040 Is Charlene Downs

01:25:10.880 A schoolgirl

01:25:11.440 Was abducted

01:25:13.540 I think

01:25:15.120 Sex-resulted

01:25:15.700 And murdered

01:25:16.140 And turned into

01:25:16.980 Like kebab meat

01:25:18.000 That's the allegation

01:25:19.080 Yeah

01:25:19.660 I believe the guy

01:25:20.900 He was either convicted

01:25:22.660 And it was overturned

01:25:23.820 Or he was ultimately let off

01:25:24.960 And in the end

01:25:25.580 I believe

01:25:26.260 Got a payout

01:25:27.640 If I'm not mistaken

01:25:30.740 Because he was either

01:25:31.900 acquitted or his conviction was overturned and then he countersued or something and got a payout

01:25:37.500 when everyone who looked at that close casely uh case closely came to the conclusion that it's

01:25:45.520 likely that some serious foul play occurred charlene downs r.i.p. r.i.p. yeah tragic next

01:25:55.360 video mecca monday a bit of something doesn't usually happen unless it is having an effect

01:26:02.560 bans are typically a reactionary response as the old duck build platitude goes if you're

01:26:09.740 taking enemy fire you're probably over a good target okay is that the last of the video

01:26:17.120 comments,

01:26:17.520 Simpson?

01:26:19.700 Right.

01:26:23.780 So let's

01:26:24.620 have a look.

01:26:26.340 Comments

01:26:26.780 of the good

01:26:27.420 subscribers.

01:26:29.460 Want to do

01:26:30.120 something yours

01:26:30.600 or?

01:26:31.800 All right.

01:26:32.200 Yeah, sure.

01:26:32.860 Is this me?

01:26:34.760 Yes.

01:26:35.080 This is my one.

01:26:35.680 All right.

01:26:35.880 Zesty King says,

01:26:37.620 as of an hour

01:26:39.300 ago,

01:26:39.820 bond yields

01:26:40.340 are at 5.95%.

01:26:42.540 Dan,

01:26:43.200 can Starmer

01:26:43.700 survive even a

01:26:44.580 week with yields

01:26:45.420 this higher?

01:26:47.120 Dan.

01:26:48.380 Sorry, I was reading my comments.

01:26:50.320 What did he say?

01:26:51.620 Cesty King says,

01:26:53.020 can the Starmer government survive even a week

01:26:55.040 with bond yields as high as 5.095?

01:27:00.400 I mean, it's already very bad

01:27:02.920 and it's squeezing everything.

01:27:04.160 Over six, stuff starts to break.

01:27:06.660 But when they could probably get up to like 7% or 8%

01:27:08.960 for a short time,

01:27:11.520 it's just that...

01:27:12.620 Because you don't roll over the entire debt base

01:27:15.000 when the yield goes up.

01:27:16.320 It just makes your current issuances and your current rollovers more expensive.

01:27:20.100 So, I mean, we're already in the territory where the state can't function long term.

01:27:24.260 But, I mean, short term, yeah, they can put up with it.

01:27:26.700 Okay, Kevin Fox says, if the cabinet demands Keir Starlin set a timetable for stepping down,

01:27:32.860 my money is on him saying 2050.

01:27:39.660 What, staying until 2050?

01:27:41.360 It says say, oh, okay, this must be a typo.

01:27:43.940 Staying until 2050.

01:27:46.500 Okay, fair enough.

01:27:49.120 Right.

01:27:50.880 On the what's point of Labour,

01:27:52.460 Sophie Liff says,

01:27:53.140 this would be my game plan

01:27:54.060 to advise Labour

01:27:54.560 to deport all foreigners.

01:27:56.020 Oh, sorry, Stelios.

01:27:58.040 That way you get...

01:27:58.740 Oh, my God, Stelios.

01:28:00.220 We will miss you.

01:28:01.620 You can share a cab with your ass.

01:28:05.240 We get rid of 30% to 60%

01:28:07.100 of all the people

01:28:07.860 that vote Green and reform.

01:28:10.600 And those who remain in the country

01:28:12.140 will be happy

01:28:12.920 that they actually vote Labour.

01:28:15.380 I mean, yeah, I mean,

01:28:15.960 why aren't they just giving us red meat all the time?

01:28:18.920 That is a good point.

01:28:21.380 Lady Sarcasto says,

01:28:22.500 with Dan's graph,

01:28:23.340 where would Heritage SDP in advance go?

01:28:25.760 Yeah, you can't overthink it too much

01:28:27.280 because I did throw it together in five minutes.

01:28:29.380 So it would become insanely complicated,

01:28:31.220 wouldn't it, if you did?

01:28:31.880 If I really thought about it.

01:28:34.860 Charles Francis Montgomery Gullivered Oliver says,

01:28:38.760 so Dan would do Smurfette.

01:28:41.920 I did once.

01:28:42.860 in my defense i was plastered how were you able to do that childs it's a fictional character but

01:28:49.620 if i was in that universe i mean what are you going to do she's the only female

01:28:53.540 don't you also need to be the same scale as her remotely aren't they like that big a smurf oh i

01:28:59.360 kind of assumed i was a smurf but okay fine without smurf air it's like being in prison

01:29:04.020 you're just going to have to pick the most like girlish boyish smurf aren't you because it's

01:29:09.880 Are you?

01:29:10.660 Your choices are literally Smurfer.

01:29:12.580 Just be a vulg cell.

01:29:13.620 There is a set hat.

01:29:14.700 Just control yourself.

01:29:15.700 I mean, that is a...

01:29:16.400 I hadn't thought of that one.

01:29:19.660 Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.

01:29:21.280 I'm pleased to announce that the chat at least is giving me a business class ticket.

01:29:26.160 Oh, nice.

01:29:26.920 Thank you.

01:29:27.740 Thank you.

01:29:28.160 Why not?

01:29:28.540 Thanks, chat.

01:29:29.800 Alpha of the Beatles says,

01:29:31.120 we're going to get evidence of aliens before the Epstein files.

01:29:34.640 um henry ashman says so much of the dodgy looking footage comes down to either bandwidth

01:29:41.560 or a lack of light even the top of the range go pro cameras and dashcams are notoriously crap at

01:29:48.380 night and sophie lives says that does aliens exist do aliens exist sophie guys you just

01:29:58.820 spend an hour talking about kia stama he's right there yeah and last one michael drabelbis

01:30:05.680 bo is right mathematically speaking there must be aliens now the question is are they advanced

01:30:12.500 enough for interstellar travel and then would they want to visit us i think they're either

01:30:17.960 from another dimension or the future no the key question is the distance is like there are definitely

01:30:24.300 so that's why i wanted to separate your thing about are there aliens and have they visited us

01:30:27.960 they're vastly different questions because they're almost certainly are aliens but but the distances

01:30:32.820 involved makes it incredibly difficult unless you do the thing that i said which is to say

01:30:37.040 right okay they got here a long time ago we just got the robots i'm gonna i'm gonna be like an

01:30:41.560 inquisitor now so if the universe is infinite if the universe is infinite and there are infinite

01:30:47.440 possibilities and as you mentioned there is a possibility also of one of these alien races

01:30:55.660 who is technologically advanced

01:30:57.680 and does have the ability to visit us.

01:31:01.920 So why haven't they?

01:31:03.820 So maybe it was the John Jell-Effield.

01:31:05.500 Even if the universe is infinite,

01:31:06.980 you've still got the FTL problem.

01:31:08.960 What's the FTL problem?

01:31:10.340 Well, it's spatial geometry.

01:31:11.500 Faster than light.

01:31:12.360 Yeah, but that's how we understand physics right now.

01:31:16.780 Well, I mean, it's literally how space and time...

01:31:18.800 You can have a millennium falcon

01:31:19.700 and don't you drive faster than light

01:31:22.760 or is it just light speed?

01:31:23.900 it's faster than light because if you see how the the light moves in star wars uh that wouldn't be

01:31:31.840 the how it would look like if you traveled at the speed of light yes the thing is you're quite right

01:31:37.240 that it's hard baked into the fabric of space-time yeah that you can't go faster than the speed of

01:31:43.620 light but then status is right that that's only as we understand it at this point also might be

01:31:48.800 It might be, because I'm no physicist, it might be that there is a realm of physics beyond that that we can't fathom.

01:31:56.180 Also, within these infinite possibilities, there could be Arrakis, and they discover a new part of, a new, let's say, source of spice.

01:32:07.720 And we could have the Harkonnens visit us.

01:32:10.080 If the universe is infinite, there's a world out there.

01:32:12.860 I would definitely nuke the Harkonnens.

01:32:14.960 No question.

01:32:15.800 if the universe is infinite

01:32:17.580 there's a world out there

01:32:18.480 where the entire planet

01:32:19.960 is smurfs

01:32:20.800 but it's the other way around

01:32:21.900 it's all lady smurfs

01:32:23.320 apart from one boy smurf

01:32:24.980 poor bloke

01:32:26.460 what

01:32:27.340 where we've been

01:32:28.740 what a legend

01:32:29.560 what the life

01:32:32.060 that he must be living

01:32:32.960 he'd be exhausted

01:32:34.400 wouldn't he

01:32:35.020 yeah but good exhaustion

01:32:36.480 in more than one way

01:32:37.400 actually you would get

01:32:39.120 in fact you'd never get

01:32:40.260 to have a proper conversation

01:32:41.600 I bet he invented AI

01:32:44.240 just so that he could

01:32:44.980 have a conversation anyway on on on that sexist comment um thank you very much for joining us

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 12, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1416

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