The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1419

00:00:00 Hello, everyone. Welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Seaters. Today is episode 1419.

00:00:06 I'm your host, Elios, and today I'm joined by brother Beau and brother Josh.

00:00:11 Greetings upon you.

00:00:12 And we're going to have a really good episode. Today we are going to discuss Britain's Patriot

00:00:17 Paradise. Good. The Battle of Maker Field and how Nolan's Odyssey is an attempt at cultural 0.59

00:00:25 erasure we did a segment before but so much has happened since that deserves a follow-up uh two

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00:00:57 your life will be and i and i'm gonna check okay and uh stelios is like breakfast with

00:01:03 beau's santa claus he's checking his list and he's you know checking it twice yeah

00:01:08 and i have another announcement that is very close to my heart yesterday we had 44 years of

00:01:15 conan the barbarian this movie with arnold schwarzenegger and i'm gonna say basically

00:01:22 crush your enemies see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women

00:01:27 that's the message i got from the movie i hope i'm practicing it well right and on that note

00:01:34 should we go to britain's patriot not gangster paradise patriot paradise so yes i've actually

00:01:42 spent a week in Great Yarmouth, which I have labelled Britain's Patriot Paradise, because

00:01:47 it truly is. I know, Beau, you came up and visited for the day, didn't you? So you'll

00:01:52 be able to say a little bit about it. But I'm just going to be talking about my experiences

00:01:56 there. And this is now the place that has a Restore Britain MP, as well as nine Restore

00:02:04 Britain councillors under Great Yarmouth first. And so you could argue that at least

00:02:10 in terms of their political representatives. It's the most right-wing part of the country.

00:02:15 And I don't think it's any mistake, because if you look at Great Yarmouth around here,

00:02:22 it's still quite a holdout, if I zoom out, just in case you're not familiar with where it is.

00:02:28 There's London down there, and it's all the way up here. And it's like a former seaside holiday

00:02:34 town, really. So lots of people would perhaps travel up from London and the surrounding areas,

00:02:38 go to the beach and the arcades and the like as a you know many towns across england and wales

00:02:45 and actually parts of scotland as well and um yes lots of people have been making the same

00:02:51 observation that it's like traveling back in time to to proper england um you know that as

00:02:58 lucy says here old-fashioned seaside hotels with pink bathtubs and local english staff we could

00:03:03 actually enjoy a conversation with the hotel i stayed in was very much like that it was really

00:03:08 really good um you know proper english food done very nicely you know you have those old

00:03:14 pattern rugs you have actual conversations with people that are enjoyable like i would talk to

00:03:21 my taxi drivers and have a nice conversation in fact one of them gave me a discount because i was

00:03:26 going around with a great yama first hat on it's like you know what mate for the hard work you've

00:03:31 been doing you know i'll only charge you a fiver so uh lots of good people around there well i

00:03:37 liked is it's a classic english seaside town for anyone who's foreign um there's a there's just a

00:03:46 certain something about the english seaside towns right there's it on some level it's sort of a bit

00:03:54 cheap and tacky on another level it's great it's great there's just something i mean part of my

00:03:59 childhood i spent loads of my childhood because i'm so poor having holidays in britain like around

00:04:06 kent around the south coast places in norfolk suffolk and like you know like the arcades

00:04:11 candy floss a bit of a stick of rock uh and like the cold wind blowing in a freezing sea

00:04:17 but it's there's just there's so much charm to that i love it well it's lovely it's a lovely

00:04:24 place and i'll say the cheap and tacky thing um sometimes like on the actual you know like with

00:04:29 the arcade machines and all that sort of thing but then is that picture is that picture right

00:04:33 their shows uh not cheap attack at all really really really really really quaint and old school

00:04:42 old-fashioned yeah proper england that's a great way of putting it proper england yeah and i want

00:04:48 to talk a little bit about the sort of vibe of being in the place because it's something to you

00:04:52 know you can't really get from the internet sure you can get it a little bit here with all the

00:04:57 flags flying and all of the signs in people's uh gardens there were there was lots of that to be

00:05:02 honest but when I was out with the you know the hat and the the t-shirt on canvassing um people

00:05:09 would just drive by and beep their horns um people would actually approach you like chase you down

00:05:14 wanting a conversation with you about you know what you're doing and uh what the policies are

00:05:21 and it was really refreshing because I lived in Swindon for five years and it certainly wasn't

00:05:25 like that you know I got to the point where I stopped wearing headphones walking down the main

00:05:30 high street in case someone snuck up behind me to murder me basically i didn't feel like that in

00:05:36 great yarm if not one bit and uh you didn't see any person being thrown over the first floor

00:05:41 from a hotel nearby no it was a third floor in in swindon yeah i did video that i had to hand it

00:05:47 into the uh police that was slightly worrying now i don't live there i can just say i suppose yeah

00:05:52 it was right opposite where i lived so i looked out the window before getting ready to go to

00:05:56 lotus eaters and there was just someone jumping out of a third story window and then a couple

00:06:01 of weeks later someone was stabbed in the neck outside my flat and i wasn't even allowed to go

00:06:05 home a haunted town it truly is yeah sometimes when you when you live in a diverse area

00:06:11 you quite quickly forget what it's like to live in a homogenous area with higher trust low crime

00:06:19 you sort of forget that quite quickly well there is when you go back i'm sure there is yeah when

00:06:24 you go back to somewhere that's like what did it say 94% white or something like that and it's just

00:06:29 normal it's like the old days it very much was like we'd go into a pub and everyone was welcoming

00:06:34 and they'd see that you've been out canvassing and even if they didn't necessarily agree with

00:06:38 you it's like oh yeah I'll have a chat where you figure out you know what you believe just in case

00:06:43 you know I might change my mind there was this sort of open-mindedness um and wherever you know

00:06:49 i saw rupert a few times going about wherever he went he was treated like a celebrity almost

00:06:54 he drew a crowd like uh we were sat on the beachfront having a pint and rupert turned up

00:06:59 and slowly more and more people came filtering through asking for pictures that were just like

00:07:05 there um to go to the beach well he's the next prime minister of this kingdom isn't he so

00:07:11 here's hoping so um one thing i did want to mention as well is that there's a lot of things 0.84

00:07:20 like this um here's russian garbage human who came and helped us out and pointing out that

00:07:24 there were pubs with like uh signs like this saying you know cash is king don't use cards 0.63

00:07:29 because it helps us out and apparently like the pos nearby but um anyway one thing i did want to

00:07:38 touch on is this article, which is the England flag war town where pensioners are radicalized

00:07:45 by the far right on Facebook. So basically, there's a story of people putting up flags in

00:07:49 Great Yarmouth and then people are taking them down. But from what I saw, the people putting

00:07:55 up the flags are definitely winning. But they're trying to claim that the whole town has been

00:08:00 radicalized by Facebook. And I just wanted to actually talk about what happened while I was

00:08:07 there, I'd spoke to thousands of people. So you can't say, you know, Josh, you're in an online

00:08:12 echo chamber because I spoke to so many people on the doors. I was doing it, you know, from nine to

00:08:17 five for a full week. So I put in a lot of work. That's why I've tanned so much is because it's

00:08:23 very sunny and spoke to thousands of people, just ordinary people knocking on doors, just people on

00:08:29 the electoral register. And so I think I've got quite a good impression of what people believe.

00:08:36 And I think it's important to actually talk about that because sure, you know, not everyone

00:08:41 gets their news from, you know, X or podcasts on YouTube like this one. Um, but people are a lot

00:08:47 more plugged into things than you actually give them credit for a lot of the time. And, um, it's

00:08:52 also worth mentioning as well, just the huge turnout of people that came out to volunteer.

00:08:57 Um, this is just volunteering. Yes. That's impressive. Yeah. So I think there was, you know,

00:09:03 on a couple of weekends over 300 people each time if not more and I did do an interview and I pointed

00:09:12 out here that all the people that I spoke to that volunteered for canvassing were some of the best

00:09:18 people in Britain going right they're professionals they've got proper careers they're really nice

00:09:24 they're welcoming they're friendly and it had this atmosphere of something really worthwhile

00:09:31 and wholesome. And if that momentum, you know, all these people can volunteer, um, and they're

00:09:36 all good, hardworking, normal people, then, you know, that's it, right? It's going to be a huge

00:09:42 sweep. But, um, I'm going to talk about, um, on the doors because, uh, we were doing it for quite

00:09:50 some time and about 50 to 60% of the people I spoke to were in favor of Great Yarmouth First

00:09:56 and restore Britain um especially women interestingly so I have two sort of theories

00:10:03 about this they're more likely to be on social media than men we know this to be true and so

00:10:09 they're more likely to see you know posts about it online and therefore more likely to be aware of it

00:10:14 there was quite a few instances where a woman will be voting Great Yama first and then her husband

00:10:20 will be voting reform that happened quite a lot there's actually one instance where where a woman

00:10:25 said like i'm voting for great yama first but um i've been going through some marital problems so

00:10:30 i think my husband's just voting reform just to spite me it's just like i'm not getting involved

00:10:35 in this but um i think it's interesting that quite often people will have a pop at boomers 0.58

00:10:40 for all being libtards or have a pop at women that they don't know what they're doing or saying 0.52

00:10:45 shouldn't be allowed to vote i don't agree with that no no no when you find a based boomer or a 0.91

00:10:50 woman they're usually ultra based right isn't that often the case there are lots of people

00:10:55 actually that were you know in their 70s or 80s that were completely on side with things like

00:11:02 i got invited invited into the home of a couple of 80 year olds who just like oh you've come all

00:11:08 this way here i'll give you this pin as like a little thank you i've got loads of them i don't

00:11:12 need all of them so they gave me an england flag pin i spoke to them for about 10 15 minutes and

00:11:17 they were entirely on board they're just like yeah politicians have come and gone but I think

00:11:21 Rupert Lowe's the real deal and I you know we really support him he's got a lot of the right

00:11:26 ideas and that was something that happened a lot actually there was another guy um who I spoke to

00:11:31 I caught him while he was working in his garden and he was telling me that um he'd done work

00:11:37 he was a builder and he'd worked on one of the councillors um houses once and so he's like yeah

00:11:42 I know him yeah I'll vote for him of course I will and he gave me a long story about how he was

00:11:46 actually there building up Great Yarmouth in the 50s and how it's a shame to watch it all go to

00:11:51 ruin and he was completely spot on basically about everything wrong he's like you know it's just that 0.99

00:11:57 there's not enough money here anymore the immigration has made things a bit more dangerous

00:12:03 women don't want to go into the town centre anymore not even in the daytime and it's taking 0.80

00:12:08 money out of the economy even more so and it was really interesting and refreshing to hear 0.71

00:12:13 normal people just on the doors say things that other people might accuse us of being a little

00:12:18 bit of an echo chamber about and it does bleed out into the wider world i think and it is good

00:12:23 when i was there i was only there for one day but from my lived experience my irl observations

00:12:30 but yeah there's people uh tooting their horns quite a lot in support and the few people i talked

00:12:37 that worked in a bar or something like that,

00:12:40 they were just completely on board.

00:12:44 I certainly didn't see a single instance of finger-wagging you Nazis

00:12:50 or anything like that.

00:12:51 I didn't get any of that.

00:12:52 Not one.

00:12:54 Usually, I've got a little bit of experience with party politics

00:12:56 over the years, here or there, and usually it's just very,

00:13:00 very, very minimal, very, very lukewarm support, if any at all.

00:13:04 so to have actual positive sort of unsolicited positive support amazing i've not seen anything

00:13:12 like it i mean i remember when a few of us went into a pub and people started chanting like a

00:13:18 restore britain chant really it's a bit surreal it's just like just coming in for a pint at the

00:13:24 end of a day of canvassing and and we even went to a like a bar and their dj gave out a shout out

00:13:33 to rupert which you wouldn't expect it would you but um there were a few people actually that still

00:13:41 didn't understand the difference between restore and reform and i got had a lot of that having to

00:13:45 clear up the difference and then explain the difference between restore and great yama first

00:13:50 so that's still something that i think has got to permeate into the public consciousness but it'll

00:13:55 get there i think do you think that i think there are two things about this one is that many people

00:14:01 I've heard who make the case for a store are making it first about personality. They're saying

00:14:09 we don't trust Farage, we trust Rupert. That's what I hear. Do you think that being more clear

00:14:15 with respect to policy would help? I think so. And I think also it is important to emphasize

00:14:24 where you're willing to make compromises. I think Farage has not been as hard on immigration as he

00:14:30 could have and lots of people um who were saying they were voting for restore were saying well the 0.98

00:14:36 problem is that i don't trust faraj he's invited all of those multicultural candidates in um he's 0.62

00:14:41 got lots of muslims in prominent positions so he's just going the way of the tories that's

00:14:46 you know verbatim what someone said to me uh and there are many iterations of that sort of line

00:14:52 so this the kind of things that we've been saying for months now were being said to me on the door

00:14:58 that Farage perhaps is not the real deal.

00:15:00 And people were sort of waking up to it.

00:15:02 And there was even a person that said something

00:15:04 that I've pretty much said verbatim,

00:15:06 which was, well, reform's kind of turning

00:15:08 into a little bit of a circus now, isn't it?

00:15:11 That's what they said.

00:15:12 They're not very serious anymore.

00:15:14 And there are lots of serious problems here.

00:15:16 And I don't think them, you know, having,

00:15:19 I can't remember exactly what they said,

00:15:20 but the sort of bingo hall politics that they're doing

00:15:23 is taking it particularly serious.

00:15:25 And the distinction they made

00:15:27 between Farage and Rupert

00:15:29 is that Rupert is quite serious

00:15:31 about these sorts of things

00:15:32 and Farage seems to be a little bit more

00:15:35 of light entertainment,

00:15:38 that sort of vibe about it.

00:15:40 It's been the argument all along about reform

00:15:43 that reform and Nigel,

00:15:45 the way they're handling it,

00:15:46 i.e. being basically just multicultural,

00:15:51 being completely normie-friendly,

00:15:54 Channel 4 news-friendly on that,

00:15:56 That you have to, the political calculation is that you have to do that because if you go any further than that, then you will just simply lose at the ballot box.

00:16:06 Well, that wasn't the case.

00:16:07 That's just not true. It's not the case.

00:16:10 I believe there's a massive swathe of people out there that are dying for something harder line than Nigel and reform. Dying for it.

00:16:19 One of the main things I heard on the doors, either people just simply weren't voting and turned out, which we'll get to in a bit.

00:16:25 But also people that have been put off by reform, basically folding on a more hardline stance on immigration.

00:16:32 That was one of the main things that came up.

00:16:34 Even though it was a local election, of course, it's not a national election that will determine that.

00:16:38 But they just didn't want to cast their support for them because of that direction.

00:16:41 Because that's what the legacy corporate mainstream media will have you believe.

00:16:46 That something like reform and NIAG is right on the absolute outer limit.

00:16:50 Even they are Nazi bigots or whatever.

00:16:52 anything beyond that is truly beyond the pale and evil

00:16:56 that's part of the reason that they're saying it in the first place

00:16:59 is basically to make them out to be

00:17:01 you know a tiger but really it's a paper tiger right

00:17:04 you know they're calling them fascists and the like

00:17:07 when actually it's very far from that sort of thing

00:17:09 and it's a bit absurd

00:17:12 all they're doing is making them out to sound more extreme

00:17:15 and that only helps galvanize their support

00:17:17 but it's people mistakenly thinking that

00:17:20 you know they're saying they're a party that wants to

00:17:22 deport everyone um when that's obviously not the case and in fact there's not really much

00:17:28 appetite for deportations at all from what i've seen of the senior leadership at least

00:17:33 but um getting on to some of the people that gave me a bad reception the rudest people were

00:17:38 middle-aged middle-class men to me on the doors which was surprising optic masculinity apparently

00:17:44 so so i i had one instance where i rang the doorbell didn't say anything and someone just

00:17:50 looked at me said no go away and slam the door in my face i had a james o'brien look-alike ask us

00:17:56 about um so i saw a post uh from rupert on facebook and he said he wanted to give a foreign man

00:18:02 uh the death penalty does he um does he believe that about white people and i was with charlie

00:18:08 as in charlie downs at the time he's like yeah uh he does actually uh for like murdering the likes

00:18:13 and he's like oh well maybe he should have put out a post like that and then he sort of was

00:18:18 was visibly shaking and closed the door on us, which is a bit weird. But then I also had a guy

00:18:23 who lived in this beautiful cottage in a village. Uh, and he came out of his house and before we

00:18:29 could say anything, he basically started chasing us down on crutches, um, while shouting, go away,

00:18:35 get off my property. Um, but other than that, it was fine. There was a few bad instances, but

00:18:42 no one really called me racist or any names like that. Um, and most people who disagreed were

00:18:47 actually very polite i spoke to some greens and lib dems and labor voters and actually they were

00:18:52 all very nice to me to be honest and many of them had a nice chat like well i'm still going to vote

00:18:57 for you know the party i want to but i wish you well and thank you for talking to me and have a

00:19:02 nice day which is lovely that's the kind of civil politics you know we want to preserve it's

00:19:08 interesting that when if you spend a lot of time on twitter or facebook or whatever where everyone

00:19:13 sort of dialed up to sort of crazy road rage levels of sort of insult immediately.

00:19:21 The vast majority of people in real life are polite.

00:19:25 Even if they disagree with you, they're actually really polite nearly all the time.

00:19:29 This is what I've been trying to tell people is that, you know,

00:19:32 the atmosphere online is not the same as the atmosphere in person.

00:19:35 I've got multiple friends that don't agree with me politically,

00:19:38 but we're still friends and still perfectly friendly with each other.

00:19:40 It doesn't matter as much, certainly not in Britain.

00:19:42 In the States, it's a little bit more of a dividing line, but less so here, I think.

00:19:47 And people still have the capability to be nice and civil and live in a civil society, even though they disagree.

00:19:54 One thing I will mention is that the most common opposition was reform, and we can see that from some of the polling.

00:20:00 About half the time a flag was flying in someone's garden, it would be a reform or restore supporter, one of the two.

00:20:08 and usually they were very sympathetic and we had good conversations we didn't always I didn't

00:20:14 always convince them but I did convince quite a few to change their vote so it's that's quite

00:20:19 interesting because it means that amongst the people who actually are voting there's there's

00:20:24 not the same hostility as the sort of party political level would lead you to believe I mean

00:20:32 i think from a from a political perspective the people who vote reform are the ones who are going

00:20:39 to be most opposed to restore because they're fishing from the same pond yeah you kind of

00:20:45 expect that to be the case there to be more intense competition between the two these between

00:20:50 the two parties that's very true that doesn't necessarily have to be answered to the people

00:20:55 yes and in fact many people were were more than happy to listen to me and say oh that's really

00:21:00 interesting they learned quite a few things uh and the differences between the two parties so

00:21:05 even if they did go away and vote reform they're going to be more sympathetic which is a good

00:21:09 thing right it means that there's opportunity there for people to to switch their vote it's

00:21:16 funny even online the vast it seems to me the vast majority of meltdowns about restore come

00:21:21 from reform people not like lib dems or labor but it it's it's been quite refreshing actually to see

00:21:28 the vast gulf between the online world and the world on the doorstep. And it's been very good

00:21:35 for me as a commentator, I think, to just talk to lots and lots of normal people because it's given

00:21:40 me, you know, I already knew that people were very different in real life to online more so than

00:21:45 perhaps some people, but it's another thing to experience it. And, you know, thousands of people

00:21:52 as well. And I'm going to quick, I know I'm running over time a little bit. We're going to quickly

00:21:55 fire through some of the issues that were brought up because there were some interesting things

00:21:59 there are obviously the bread and butter issues of potholes bing collections and all that sort of

00:22:03 stuff that comes up in local elections there are also some specific local ones like close close to

00:22:09 the coast they're talking about sea defenses for erosion and things like that so that sort of stuff

00:22:14 is expected and it's sort of not party political whatsoever you know all parties want to solve

00:22:19 these things um i spoke to loads of people that were saying they don't trust the mainstream

00:22:25 politicians to keep their word. That was very common. And lots of people who said they weren't

00:22:29 voting gave that reason. Although the people who weren't voting were most sympathetic to Restore.

00:22:36 And we'll see some evidence for that. Lots of discussion about immigration, even though it's

00:22:40 a local election. Lots of older people were still fixated on the small boats. They didn't realize

00:22:45 that legal migration is actually, in many ways, a much bigger problem. And I heard the line,

00:22:52 I have no problem if they work hard. That one was trotted out quite often, which is, you know,

00:22:58 I can understand. But I explained that much of the data shows that many immigrant groups are never

00:23:04 net contributors. And that was a shock to them. They'd never heard that, pointed out that 71%

00:23:08 of Somalis in social housing in London, and so are not contributing. And they didn't realize

00:23:14 that the legal immigration system was letting people in that are actually damaging, because 0.94

00:23:21 it's all been fixated on illegal immigration which is a small drop in a big pond isn't it

00:23:27 I also pointed out to people that the Southport killer his parents came here legally and so it's 1.00

00:23:33 not a perfect system Romanians in particular came up as a problem group but they always made the

00:23:39 distinction between the normal working ones and what they referred to as the gypsies and they're 0.98

00:23:44 saying that the normal ones normally work on the oil rigs and things and they've got proper

00:23:48 professional jobs and are contributing and actually most of the romanians we spoke to

00:23:52 were pro rupert low and it's like they love that guy i think you can tell the difference 0.57

00:23:58 yeah visibly on the street yeah well we had some toothless woman screaming and it sounded like

00:24:04 possessed by a demon in romanian while she was on a bicycle um just talking to herself and i i think

00:24:11 she might have been in the latter camp i'm just gonna give you a statistic because i know you

00:24:15 like stats. In Greece, gypsies are 1% of the population and they're responsible for around

00:24:21 80 to 85% of burglaries. Really? That's absolutely massive. Blimey. 1.00

00:24:27 Aren't Albanians and Romanians, certainly Albanians, per capita the biggest amount of foreign people

00:24:33 in our jails? That's right, yeah. That's interesting. Where I said sometimes you get women and boomers 0.77

00:24:41 that are ultra based sometimes it's also with immigrants as well if they're if they're not just 0.59

00:24:45 here for gibbs they are genuinely hard-working types sometimes they are super based aren't they 0.99

00:24:53 like a lot of the romanians we spoke to were just like yeah of course we're voting rupert don't be 1.00

00:24:58 stupid right right a bit of a surprise really but another thing is that the turkish barbers and the

00:25:03 vape shops came up on the door quite a lot actually um which um the council has announced 0.99

00:25:08 is one of the first things they're going to tackle.

00:25:10 And I was surprised that that came up as much as it did

00:25:12 because it was a story that was largely broke online

00:25:15 by people like us, actually.

00:25:17 I know Harry was talking about it many years ago

00:25:19 and it was adopted by the mainstream media.

00:25:21 And now it's on the doorstep, so to speak.

00:25:25 I did also canvas some non-human people as well. 0.96

00:25:30 I hope you didn't dress the horse up to... 0.99

00:25:33 No, it's wearing the colours there.

00:25:35 I'm not going to read that pun.

00:25:36 That's a reformed horse.

00:25:37 If you want to read it, yeah, if you want to read it, go ahead.

00:25:41 So it's worth mentioning as well that Restore really mopped up 46% to reforms, 20%, which is pretty good.

00:25:49 And you can see that the Conservatives lost seven and Labour lost two, which is interesting as well.

00:25:58 So there you go. There's a bit more of a detailed breakdown.

00:26:00 And it's also worth mentioning that the turnout.

00:26:02 So what I was saying about disillusioned voters who'd never voted or had become disillusioned with politics, the massive change in turnout can't be overlooked here.

00:26:13 And this is validated by my experience of talking to people, that people who were not engaged in politics came back to politics because of Great Yarmouth First and Restore Britain.

00:26:24 So that graph, the comparison between the red bar and the white bar there is 2021 and 2026.

00:26:31 it's massive difference in turnout in all of the uh i've been saying this for a while and until

00:26:36 these proper data points have come out it's just a sort of a hope really it seems to be true that

00:26:44 yeah when you look at the the turnout usually under 50 percent usually around 50 percent under

00:26:51 50 so there's half the people that are eligible to vote just simply don't they're that disenchanted

00:26:59 Well, if you can get even a third of those, half of those,

00:27:02 well, that's enough to swing a general election.

00:27:05 That's a giant section of people.

00:27:08 And I think that that's where Restore is going to do very well.

00:27:12 I'm going to quickly fire through some of the councillors

00:27:14 because it's just, I know we're pressed for time.

00:27:16 That's all right. Don't worry about it.

00:27:17 I can make my segment ready.

00:27:18 Okay. So those are the councillors that have won there.

00:27:22 I spoke to all of them quite a bit.

00:27:25 all great men all local all have success in business and they're not career politicians

00:27:30 which was great and I just want to talk about the sort of proof of concept for what this

00:27:37 local election can prove because sure you've got Great Yarmouth here and you've got these

00:27:42 sort of suburbs here and the more downtown area here but what people don't realize is that you've

00:27:48 got sort of places up here as well like I went to Ormsby and there's also California there by the

00:27:55 way um bet you didn't know that um i went to rollersby and and these little villages up here

00:28:01 as well um martham as well and you sort of get a little bit of a collage of all of britain here

00:28:08 you get the quaint little villages that you think you know typically might be more lib dem areas

00:28:13 didn't really go for them uh and as well as you've got the urban areas in great yarmouth itself here

00:28:19 quite dense terrace houses and then you've got sort of leafy suburbs down here and of course

00:28:26 they won them all right and we can can see the percentages so Steve here was in the urban areas 0.96

00:28:34 and I found that the most universal support was in deprived urban areas basically so that's why

00:28:39 he's got like 51% and reform and perhaps the greens got a little bit there but you've also

00:28:46 got Kevin here who it was a bit more urban here so you can see that the Greens and Labour picked

00:28:53 up some more support. It's the same with the suburbs as well the sort of urban areas in the

00:28:57 suburbs you get a little bit more of the Tories, the Greens and Labour although the Tories didn't

00:29:02 do very well there. Glenn he was recognised by a few people I was canvassing with he was in

00:29:08 quite some of the the leafier villages and you can see here that the Tories picked up more than

00:29:14 the others. But you can see that even there, 48% of the vote. So you have all of these different

00:29:21 environments normally treated very differently in elections. And although the second and third

00:29:26 place seems to change a little bit, it's sort of a proof that you can do well.

00:29:32 I like the fact that Labour is the last party there.

00:29:37 Here's Daniel's constituency. This is the one I actually canvassed on election day. So getting

00:29:43 people out to vote. On one small street of like 15 houses, I actually got about 10 confirmations

00:29:48 that they'd been out to vote for us, which was crazy. It was like 80% of the street had already

00:29:55 voted for us. Also, I know that one of his relatives is a big fan of the show. So hello,

00:30:00 Josh, good name. Bet you didn't expect that. But you can see here as well, the Greens, the Tories

00:30:06 and Labour are about 10% here. Here's Michael. Again, Tories did quite well. And then Tories

00:30:15 here again, and reform doing all right. But you get the gist.

00:30:19 The margins of victory are not close.

00:30:21 No, not at all. It's double the following.

00:30:24 It's a stonking win, really, statistically.

00:30:28 So Jason's constituency, I did some canvassing there. Quite rural, quite quaint, quite affluent

00:30:34 in lots of areas which is probably why the Tories did relatively well there but as you can see like

00:30:40 the Lib Dems only 3% reform still only got 20% which is less than half of what Great Yama first

00:30:48 got even here this was quite an urban constituency you can see the Greens did okay they were parallel

00:30:55 there with reform and Labour did better than the Tories and Lib Dems but even so he got 48%

00:31:01 So in all of the different sort of areas of Britain, you know, suburban, urban, rural, there's some proof here that they did well.

00:31:10 And it sort of validates a lot of my experiences of speaking to people.

00:31:15 Barry here, again, there's a bit of a split here, but again, still resounding.

00:31:19 um and as rupert says here it's proved that you can decimate people in rural areas suburban areas

00:31:27 and and anywhere really even deprived areas as as he says and that's something that should be

00:31:34 a blueprint for the rest of the country hopefully sorry that really went on didn't it um do you want

00:31:41 to read the comments for the for this okay um i can't get the mouse there we go yes yes okay so

00:31:49 for team barber ah the dream team today we will win oh well thank you um fallen firebird our

00:31:56 enemies use radicalized to mean we are somehow being tricked in fact uh we are radicalized

00:32:00 righteously in response to evil and injustice of our age and a true love for our people and land

00:32:05 yeah lovely sentiment perfect i i uh very much like how you put that that's random name not once

00:32:10 in my lifetime has there been a single serious non-compromised patriotic party in power in any

00:32:15 western nation the bigger restore gets the more our enemies will grow desperate stay safe i think

00:32:22 we'll be okay for the makers field segment first branch meeting in wigan and lee today great timing

00:32:27 with the news yesterday well good luck um that's random name steleos is 100 correct about gypsies

00:32:34 uh they're the indians of india um uh some parts of downtown swindon remind me of every ghetto i've 0.75

00:32:41 seen in bulgaria except um less worse matthew c says going to naples for a week any recommendations 0.69

00:32:48 been to pompey herculaneum and the archaeological museum planning on visiting uh pastem is that

00:32:54 right in respect yeah okay of our greek brethren matthew is you're a maxing that's matthew i would

00:33:02 say go up vesuvius i've been to naples a couple of times pompey um yeah if you've already done

00:33:07 Pompeii and Herculaneum, you can go up Mount Vesuvius and sort of stand on the edge, look

00:33:13 down into the volcano. That was cool. I remember doing that. That was a cool memory.

00:33:18 I like the next one. Phictegeus says, Rupert Lonan, ignore the words of your enemies, vote

00:33:23 restore, and hear the lamentations of the left.

00:33:27 Sigilstone, I'm not reading.

00:33:29 Sigilstone, spicy.

00:33:31 It's not spicy, it's just you.

00:33:33 Oh, okay.

00:33:34 It made me laugh though, so well done.

00:33:36 Should we go to the second one?

00:33:37 yeah okay i know you want a fair bit of time still yes to is this mouse working oh yeah

00:33:42 um so i won't spend ages it's for all of us to talk because it's a subject that everyone wants

00:33:49 to talk about so okay okay where's where's my segment on here was it third oh it's third on

00:33:55 the document okay all right give me one one second there okay all right can you uh it is loading

00:34:01 myself oh there we go all right all right you ready are we ready i'm ready everyone's ready

00:34:05 all right okay so we need to talk a little bit about what's happened inside the Westminster

00:34:11 bubble over the last day 36 hours or so um with uh it's a burn or bust basically it looks like

00:34:19 the Labour Party everyone apart from perhaps with the exception of the far far left of the Labour

00:34:24 Party seems or and Starmer loyalists of course have decided it's burn or bust so what's happened

00:34:32 Let's go through that first and foremost, just a fact, just a fact.

00:34:35 You had Mr. Wesley Streeting and in his resignation,

00:34:40 but not trigger an actual, the leadership contest.

00:34:43 Because people were expecting that, weren't they?

00:34:45 Oh, yeah.

00:34:45 It should be one after the other immediately, or more or less.

00:34:48 Because, of course, he was one of the favourites to take over from Starmer

00:34:52 and holding, he was health secretary, wasn't he?

00:34:57 It was a relatively senior position.

00:34:59 so he was well positioned and people were sort of rallying behind him and he sort of

00:35:04 fluffed it a little bit oh yeah one of two things must have happened i.e either he couldn't get the

00:35:11 81 MPs to back him because they all of those 81 have to back that one person so either he

00:35:16 didn't have those numbers or there's been conversations about that it's Burnham or

00:35:23 nothing so just hold your horses wait to see if burnham can get in and then we'll go from there

00:35:29 one of those two things i think must have happened with restricting unless uh he does trigger it like

00:35:36 today or in the next few days that might still happen as well if he's got those 81 behind him

00:35:40 so that happened it's like the the fifth cabinet minister isn't he just phillips was one of the

00:35:46 other ones um so someone's just replacing them and continuing on trying to pretend nothing's

00:35:51 You can do it, Kier. Stay in.

00:35:52 Yeah.

00:35:53 Please.

00:35:54 We'll talk about, I think,

00:35:55 I think right at the end of the segment,

00:35:56 we'll talk about the overall what's best for anti-Labour people.

00:36:01 Is it best for Starmer to stay in or not?

00:36:04 What would ultimately be most ruinous for Labour at the ballot box in

00:36:08 2029, if there's not an election before then?

00:36:12 Well, we'll talk about that at the end.

00:36:14 Okay.

00:36:14 So the other thing is Angela the Fridge Rayner, Big Bird. 1.00

00:36:18 She got cleared of any wrongdoing

00:36:21 as far as the revenue and customs are concerned.

00:36:24 That was sort of remarkable timing for her, wasn't it?

00:36:27 She's ready for a comeback. 0.64

00:36:29 Yeah, she can now...

00:36:31 They said you certainly didn't do anything illegal

00:36:33 and, in fact, any error you might have made,

00:36:35 not paying 40 grand's worth of stamp duty,

00:36:37 was a good faith error on your part.

00:36:39 So she's just apparently completely cleared,

00:36:41 which means she's OK to launch a leadership bid

00:36:47 of her own if she wanted to but also at this stage as at the time of recording on the afternoon

00:36:53 of the 15th she hasn't done that either she's also in my opinion the sort of worst case scenario she 0.97

00:36:58 gets in because she's not only not that smart but also quite radically left-wing like some of the 1.00

00:37:05 things she was saying in her posts about politics is just insane to me she's super dumb listen to 1.00

00:37:14 her for five or ten seconds and you get the measure of the woman super super dumb but yeah 0.99

00:37:18 she's about about i would say some people might disagree with this analysis she's about as left 1.00

00:37:23 wing as andy burnham which is quite left they call her like the the soft left i don't i don't

00:37:28 consider it all that soft no not at all it's pretty left-wing i mean it's not full-blown

00:37:32 john mcdonald form communism but it's pretty damn left um so okay ed milliband had always said

00:37:42 that if a leadership election should have begun,

00:37:46 he would throw his hat in the ring.

00:37:48 But he also, again, at time of recording,

00:37:50 hasn't decided to pull the trigger on that either.

00:37:52 He's also had his time in the sun already.

00:37:54 He has, yeah.

00:37:55 Failed leader already, right? 0.90

00:37:56 He had to stab his own brother, David Miliband, 0.97

00:37:58 in the back for that one. 0.99

00:38:00 Good job.

00:38:01 Good job.

00:38:02 So, Keir Starmer's line, the party line,

00:38:07 is, you know, no former leadership election

00:38:09 has been triggered against me,

00:38:10 so i'm just going to carry on with the job of government and well technically literally that

00:38:15 is just true that is the case there hasn't been a leadership so what of the final the final of the

00:38:21 big beasts to mention andy burnham with his eyeliner is he wearing eyeliner does look a

00:38:28 little bit like isn't it i think i'm pretty sure he doesn't he's just got i've never noticed he's

00:38:34 He's got very thick lashes for a man.

00:38:38 Anyway, anyway.

00:38:40 Is that enough to condemn him already, is it?

00:38:42 Yeah.

00:38:43 I mean, he's pretty low T, isn't he?

00:38:45 He's in the Labour Party.

00:38:47 Pretty low T.

00:38:48 Yeah, he's a commie, so he's always a socialist.

00:38:50 So, of course he is, yeah. 0.81

00:38:51 Very weak.

00:38:52 Very weak on any metric you care to measure him on, of course.

00:38:56 Except on expropriating other people's property.

00:38:59 Oh, right, yeah.

00:39:00 Super high line on that.

00:39:01 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:39:01 Yeah, rinse the kulaks for every last penny they've got 1.00

00:39:05 Yeah, he'll be strong on that 1.00

00:39:07 So, okay, his route to power seems to have cleared a little bit in the last day or so

00:39:14 So first of all, he would have needed somebody to step aside in a Labour seat

00:39:18 Hopefully a safe Labour seat

00:39:19 That's a bit of an ask, but it's happened

00:39:23 It was that Josh Simmons, remember him? 1.00

00:39:26 Total, total scumbag 0.99

00:39:27 He was part of that Labour Together group 0.99

00:39:31 and he was in government, he was in Keir Starmer's government

00:39:35 but he had to be let go because that Labour Together group

00:39:39 was, I think, seen to have shown to have been basically

00:39:43 doing nefarious things like spying on journalists,

00:39:48 mainstream media journalists.

00:39:51 Keir Starmer had to sort of get rid of him because there was

00:39:53 Watergate.

00:39:54 There was an actual sort of scandal thing there

00:39:56 and Starmer had put him in charge of the whole ID card thing

00:40:00 so this Josh Simmons is

00:40:03 very tainted reputation

00:40:04 a revolting person

00:40:06 as far as I'm concerned 0.92

00:40:07 as far as anyone that thinks

00:40:09 the way we do is concerned

00:40:10 revolting

00:40:10 an enemy of the people

00:40:11 especially with the ID card thing 0.98

00:40:14 yeah yeah

00:40:14 that alone is unforgivable

00:40:16 not going to clutch any pearls

00:40:17 for mainstream journalists

00:40:18 but the ID card thing

00:40:19 is unforgivable

00:40:20 yeah right yeah

00:40:21 what you try to do there

00:40:23 it's like the thing

00:40:24 someone puts a gun

00:40:25 a loaded gun to your head 0.90

00:40:26 pulls the trigger 0.99

00:40:27 but the bullet in the chamber 0.88

00:40:28 happens to be a dud 0.96

00:40:29 and then they just walk away

00:40:31 oh nothing happened

00:40:32 you're fine

00:40:32 nothing happened

00:40:33 he's like no 0.88

00:40:33 you just tried to kill me

00:40:34 I'm not going to forget that

00:40:36 you just

00:40:36 it was just

00:40:38 luck

00:40:38 anyway

00:40:39 that Josh

00:40:40 anyway

00:40:40 he's decided to step down

00:40:41 and he

00:40:41 I think I said on the morning show

00:40:43 which was wrong

00:40:44 that he's a die hard

00:40:45 Andy Burnham man

00:40:46 he's not really

00:40:47 he's a die hard

00:40:48 Keir Starmer man

00:40:49 so it's a little bit surprising

00:40:51 that he decided to step down

00:40:52 anyway

00:40:52 he's in a place called

00:40:54 Makerfield

00:40:55 which is in

00:40:57 Wigan isn't it

00:40:58 the Wigan area

00:40:58 I believe so

00:40:59 so it's in the north

00:41:01 and of course

00:41:02 Andy Burnham

00:41:03 is self-styled

00:41:04 king of the north

00:41:05 isn't he

00:41:06 he's the king

00:41:07 of the north

00:41:08 I don't know

00:41:09 about that title

00:41:09 has he used

00:41:12 the term

00:41:12 to describe himself

00:41:13 I think

00:41:14 yeah

00:41:14 loads of people

00:41:14 say it about him

00:41:15 he's violating

00:41:16 Tywin Lannister's

00:41:17 principle

00:41:18 yeah

00:41:18 you don't say

00:41:20 you're the king

00:41:21 has he watched

00:41:21 Game of Thrones

00:41:22 it doesn't end well

00:41:22 does it

00:41:23 yeah

00:41:23 yeah being king

00:41:25 of the north

00:41:25 is a bit of a

00:41:25 poison chalice

00:41:26 isn't it

00:41:26 so okay

00:41:28 perhaps the big

00:41:29 it may be arguably, one of the biggest hurdles is that someone's got to step down for him.

00:41:32 Well, that's happened.

00:41:34 Just seems to have done it.

00:41:34 He formally did it.

00:41:35 We can see a copy of his resignation letter on Twitter or whatever or on the news.

00:41:40 So that's happened.

00:41:41 The next big hurdle for him, one of the hurdles I thought would be a truly sort of bitter one,

00:41:49 causing some sort of massive internal ripples inside the Labour Party,

00:41:54 is that for him to then be selected to stand in that seat,

00:41:58 The NEC, the National Executive Committee of the Labour Party,

00:42:02 the inner sanctum of the Labour Party,

00:42:04 because when the Gaunt and Denton thing came up,

00:42:06 it's not that long ago, was it, Gaunt and Denton?

00:42:08 No.

00:42:09 Not that long ago.

00:42:09 At that point, he was prevented from standing almost unanimously, I believe.

00:42:15 I think one or two people abstained and the rest,

00:42:18 or one or two people maybe even voted for him,

00:42:21 but the majority, like nearly all of them, said they blocked him.

00:42:24 It's entirely possible, considering that they got, you know, rinsed by the Greens in that election, as well as the fact that they've had a quite disappointing council election.

00:42:33 Although you could argue that they could have done worse, actually.

00:42:37 You know, I mean, they lost lots and lots of seats, but it could have been worse given their popularity, I suppose.

00:42:43 It could have been worse. It's still pretty bad. It's still seismically bad, though.

00:42:47 Losing control in Wales, for example.

00:42:49 Once in a century level defeat. Once a century.

00:42:53 Okay, so, or in their all-time, the whole history of the Labour Party,

00:42:57 unprecedented level of defeat there, for example.

00:43:00 But to be fair, they deserve a lot worse,

00:43:03 and were their popularity a metric of their electoral chances,

00:43:08 they did pretty well.

00:43:10 Yeah, well, I suppose you can make that.

00:43:13 I'm not trying to defend them.

00:43:14 No, no, I get it.

00:43:15 Yeah, keep these things in perspective, absolutely.

00:43:17 So I thought it was going to be,

00:43:18 some sort of civil war inside the upper echelons of the Labour Party

00:43:24 over letting him be selected at all to stand in the now by-election

00:43:28 for Makerfield.

00:43:29 No.

00:43:30 They've come out and said, Keir Starmer himself has come out and said,

00:43:34 we won't stand in his way.

00:43:36 So he will be selected for it then.

00:43:40 So, OK, two massive hurdles.

00:43:43 Mr Burnham has got over them.

00:43:45 Next one then is, will he win that by-election?

00:43:51 Okay, now that truly is a question mark.

00:43:56 So Gorton and Denton had a majority, the guy that was there,

00:44:00 he had a majority of something in the order of 13,000,

00:44:03 which is pretty safe.

00:44:04 I wouldn't call it a safe seat.

00:44:06 I would call it something like 18, 20, 20-plus thousand.

00:44:10 That's a safe seat.

00:44:11 13 is pretty safe, though.

00:44:13 In my home constituency where I grew up of south-west Devon,

00:44:17 the Conservatives would win by a margin of 35,000 votes.

00:44:22 That's a safe seat.

00:44:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:23 In Rumpford, where I grew up for a lot, or near Rumpford,

00:44:26 or Hornchurch really, but anyway, Rumpford,

00:44:28 Andrew Rosendale was a safe seat for years and years and years.

00:44:30 He'd quite often enjoy 20-odd thousand.

00:44:33 That's a safe seat.

00:44:34 That's a safe seat.

00:44:35 You can take that to the bank.

00:44:36 Okay, but 13,000 is not to be sniffed at.

00:44:39 No.

00:44:39 That's absolutely not to be sniffed at.

00:44:40 If it's not a safe seat, it's pretty close.

00:44:43 Well, Gordon and Denton, Labour came third, didn't they?

00:44:47 Even Matt Goodwin was able to beat them. 1.00

00:44:51 Some silly woman for the Greens was able to beat them. 0.98

00:44:55 That's 13,000. 0.98

00:44:56 Well, this seat, Makerfield, Josh Simon's seat, 5,000.

00:45:01 5,300 odd was his majority.

00:45:06 They basically need to rely on Burnham's name factor.

00:45:10 that's all that they can rest on

00:45:12 because the Labour Party, Rosette,

00:45:14 alone is not enough to carry him across

00:45:16 the line. And I think that also

00:45:18 because it's a by-election,

00:45:20 because there are lots of parties looking to

00:45:22 prove themselves leading up to

00:45:24 29, there are going to be lots of big names

00:45:26 thrown in the ring, I think,

00:45:28 in this by-election. And I think that

00:45:30 there are lots of people they want to get in.

00:45:32 I think reform are going to try and field

00:45:34 a big name.

00:45:36 It would be wise for them

00:45:38 to do so.

00:45:40 I don't know what the Lib Dems would do,

00:45:42 but maybe they're not in the running,

00:45:44 so it doesn't matter so much.

00:45:46 It'll be interesting to see, actually,

00:45:48 who's going to emerge as the contenders for this seat.

00:45:51 So I'd be very surprised if it wasn't Burnham at this rate.

00:45:55 Well, at the local elections,

00:45:58 that whole area went to reform across the board without exception.

00:46:03 Okay.

00:46:04 It's thought of as, historically, Labour, a Labour place.

00:46:06 So we saw a lot of

00:46:09 Loads and loads of council seats

00:46:11 Flipping from Labour straight to reform

00:46:13 Some going to Lib Dems

00:46:15 A few going green

00:46:15 But in this area anyway

00:46:17 Completely across the board

00:46:20 Labour to reform

00:46:21 Okay, question

00:46:23 If he loses in the area

00:46:25 Can he lead Labour?

00:46:26 No, absolutely not

00:46:28 It's their internal rules

00:46:29 That you have to be an MP

00:46:31 Unless he gets appointed to the Lords

00:46:35 and even then

00:46:37 it's a little bit

00:46:38 questionable isn't it

00:46:39 yeah

00:46:39 and so also

00:46:41 one quick thing

00:46:42 almost an aside

00:46:43 he has to resign

00:46:44 as Mayor of Manchester

00:46:45 to do this

00:46:46 you can't be Mayor of Manchester

00:46:47 and an MP

00:46:48 you can't

00:46:48 you have to resign that

00:46:49 which means

00:46:51 there'll be an election

00:46:52 for that as well

00:46:52 that may well

00:46:54 just be retained

00:46:55 by Labour

00:46:56 because it's Manchester

00:46:58 and historically

00:46:59 it's so

00:46:59 safe for Labour

00:47:01 but we'll see about that

00:47:02 that will be up for grabs

00:47:02 as well

00:47:03 but in the seat

00:47:04 in Makerfield, the parliamentary constituency

00:47:08 of Makerfield, yet it's going to be

00:47:11 a fascinating battlefield, battleground,

00:47:14 politically, of course.

00:47:16 Let's keep it clean. 0.94

00:47:18 Nia just said they're going to throw

00:47:20 the kitchen sink at it, or I'm paraphrasing,

00:47:22 he said they're going to throw everything at it,

00:47:23 I think he said.

00:47:24 That's a quote.

00:47:25 And why not?

00:47:26 Yeah, it makes perfect sense for reform

00:47:28 to contest.

00:47:28 Absolutely, why not?

00:47:29 They've just swept across it in the locals.

00:47:32 even though they came second in Goulton Denton

00:47:37 they beat Labour handily there

00:47:39 there's no reason why they couldn't win it realistically

00:47:43 and as you said what it boils down to really isn't it

00:47:46 is that the Burnham camp and the Labour Party

00:47:49 everyone in the Labour Party that's pro-Burnham

00:47:51 they're relying heavily on him personally

00:47:57 the people in Makerfield

00:47:59 the good people of Makerfield

00:48:00 just love Andy Burnham and just want Burnham?

00:48:05 And of course, a very likely outcome is that he resigns

00:48:09 as the mayor of Manchester and then loses the seat

00:48:13 and then he's got no position and reform then have an opportunity

00:48:18 to take the mayor of Manchester.

00:48:21 As well, right, as well.

00:48:22 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:22 That would be hilarious.

00:48:24 It's entirely possible and it's actually a big risk on his part.

00:48:27 Oh, yeah, it is.

00:48:29 He's throwing the chips higher.

00:48:30 for sure it's a risk it's a gamble yeah yeah it always is yeah well we had a friendly bet

00:48:37 two days ago about Starmer so do you think that Starmer is going to leave and Burnham is going to

00:48:45 try and lead Labour okay so let's just assume okay good question so let's assume that Andy

00:48:50 Burnham's name recognition and just a shit love for him in the greater Manchester Wigan area

00:48:55 is such that he's able to win Makerfield.

00:48:58 Let's just say.

00:48:59 That also isn't improbable.

00:49:02 It could totally happen.

00:49:03 Let's say he does that.

00:49:04 So he's now an MP.

00:49:06 Then the likes of Ed Miliband and Angela Rayner

00:49:13 trigger a leadership election,

00:49:15 and they all sort of more or less stand aside

00:49:18 and get behind Burnham.

00:49:20 So it's a Burnham-Starma standoff.

00:49:24 so your question is what would happen then yeah again don't know it looks pretty balanced to me

00:49:30 i would probably put my money on burnham at that point because even though starmer does still

00:49:35 definitely definitely does still enjoy a lot of support within the parliamentary labour party a

00:49:39 big chunk are pro-starmer people like maybe a quarter maybe more actually um when it comes down

00:49:46 to it the membership labour party membership normal members will get a say and unions

00:49:51 they've always been more left so it's going to be more burnham isn't it much more burnham

00:49:58 burnham's much more popular in the membership labour party membership than starmer much more

00:50:02 so if it comes down to that i i will put i will put my tenner on uh andy and his eye makeup that

00:50:10 he wears no i don't know if he does i think he doesn't um okay well so that's where we are at

00:50:16 the moment the the path is sort of beginning to clear for burnham to have a shot it all it all

00:50:22 hinges on the good people of makerfield what they decide to do i mean it'll be an interesting night

00:50:29 it'll be an interesting result to watch we'll all be watching it won't we watching that count

00:50:34 listening out for the result of that if he loses fandy burnham loses he's so funny he's just he'll

00:50:40 find himself just a normal private citizen at that point he hasn't got any office anymore

00:50:44 his political career is over really

00:50:46 I would have thought

00:50:47 completely over

00:50:48 parachuted in somewhere else maybe

00:50:50 unless they make him a lord

00:50:51 or something odd

00:50:52 something strange

00:50:53 but yeah

00:50:55 because Labour are sure to lose

00:50:57 whoever it is

00:50:58 are sure to lose

00:50:59 at the next general election

00:51:00 if it's in 2029 or before

00:51:02 so Mr Burnham will be done

00:51:06 at that point if he loses

00:51:07 so fingers crossed he loses

00:51:08 oh one last thing then

00:51:09 one last point to make

00:51:10 and talk about real quick

00:51:11 because I never want to get on

00:51:12 with your second status

00:51:13 it's okay it's okay you can finish one final point is looking at it from the point of view

00:51:20 of everyone who isn't a labor voter a labor partisan is it best to would we ideally like

00:51:29 to see starmer continue through to 2029 that is the best for us that means the biggest collapse

00:51:38 of Labour

00:51:39 or

00:51:40 and I would make the argument

00:51:41 not strongly

00:51:42 I think it's 50-50

00:51:43 who knows

00:51:43 that

00:51:44 the combination of

00:51:46 changing the leader

00:51:47 mid-parliament

00:51:48 people hate that

00:51:50 hate it

00:51:51 the normal people 0.74

00:51:52 the normal normies

00:51:53 they hate it

00:51:54 when governments do that

00:51:55 and then

00:51:56 especially after the Tories

00:51:57 doing it multiple times

00:51:59 every couple of years 0.53

00:52:00 well it is a piss take

00:52:01 isn't it

00:52:02 simple as that

00:52:02 we didn't vote for you

00:52:03 dude

00:52:03 whoever you are

00:52:04 might have given your party

00:52:05 a mandate

00:52:06 but we didn't vote for you

00:52:07 yeah

00:52:07 So people hate that, and then there's no guarantee.

00:52:11 Why not say it's Burnham or whether it's Ed Miliband or West Streeting

00:52:14 that they just continue that trend, that sort of hated trend

00:52:17 of what they're doing, their agenda one way or another?

00:52:20 And if it's a bit further to the left, an Andy Burnham government,

00:52:24 further to the left than Starmer, who's not to say that that doesn't,

00:52:28 the net result of that isn't an even worse result on general election night?

00:52:34 There's certainly a, sorry, Stelios.

00:52:36 No, I just want to say that I think you're correct. And Starmer is incredibly bad. I think if he stays, I think he will stay for a long time. He is going to do irreparable damage to Labour. But the image of many Labour leaders just changing is creating an even better image for people on the right. Because like saying, none of you have it has it together.

00:53:00 well there are two different perspectives on this i think i think on the one hand starmer carrying on

00:53:06 and running the party into the ground is a sort of surefire thing right but also another thing is

00:53:11 i think that but things are so far along that even if burnham did take over it's too late for

00:53:17 him to to win in 29 and so him basically becoming a leader and then leading the party into an

00:53:22 electoral defeat might scupper his chances in the future and then who would be the next leader of

00:53:29 labor well you know there's no clear front runner there is there is it going to be angela rayner i

00:53:34 don't think the country's going to get behind her person who even cares at that point as long as

00:53:38 they're out of power ideally not even the opposition that would be nice wouldn't it um i think that's

00:53:43 actually likely to be honest i mean 29 yeah we'll see we'll see okay all right right we have here

00:53:51 cute queen eight very smart suit bow oh is is this to commemorate the and celebrate the hundred years

00:54:01 the hundred uh episodes of breakfast with bow oh no no that was the other week wasn't it okay yeah

00:54:08 oh thanks i'm glad you dig the threads good okay samson when we load the third segment could we

00:54:15 also add the link i sent you the third i sent you on the on on samson great okay we we don't we

00:54:26 won't start yet right so for our audience just to say before this one go on youtube um we did a

00:54:33 segment two three days ago but after we did the segment there were many more statements by nolan

00:54:42 and I think we need to talk about them a bit more.

00:54:47 And we are going to have fun

00:54:48 and we are also going to talk about

00:54:50 why they're doing this.

00:54:53 Okay.

00:54:54 Yeah, that's it.

00:54:56 Thanks.

00:54:58 And also I want to hear from Bo and Josh

00:55:00 who really want to talk about this subject as well.

00:55:02 So let's talk about it.

00:55:04 Right.

00:55:04 So Christopher Nolan is making new statements

00:55:08 about his movie, The Odyssey,

00:55:10 that is going to be released this July.

00:55:11 and every new statement is a new embarrassment. 1.00

00:55:15 Here we have Paige playing Achilles. 0.99

00:55:18 I'm mindful of YouTube.

00:55:21 Rumor has it that Paige is going to star as Achilles

00:55:24 in a scene where Odysseus goes to the underworld.

00:55:27 At this point, many people think it's a rumor,

00:55:31 but there is another thing that Odysseus goes to the underworld

00:55:36 and talks to the spirits of several people, Achilles as well as his mother.

00:55:40 i don't think that hollywood would cast page to play achilles's mother probably looks like

00:55:48 page is playing achilles and there's there are several problems with that achilles was blonde

00:55:54 is that it uh for the sake of youtube i think that's all that can be said isn't it yes also

00:56:00 you know travis scott the rapper chris finolan said that uh he cast black rapper travis scott

00:56:09 in the odyssey because he wanted to nod towards the idea that this story has been handed down as 0.62

00:56:15 oral poetry which is analogous to rap that is the the dumbest thing i think that's a stretch isn't 0.82

00:56:23 it i i feel like i need to just get a brick and bash it into my head to get that information out 0.90

00:56:28 of it why why i don't know that also you know isn't homer like a rapper

00:56:35 it was in his toga with a big gold chain right so the hoods there's something here i would

00:56:44 have uh from dmx i'm i'm reading the lyrics and i i'm reminded of the rampage of achilles in the

00:56:52 in the iliad says once it's on i come through guns is drawn blam blam lungs is gone sons will

00:56:58 mourn from dusk till dawn nighttime belongs to the dog on the straight paths past midnight look

00:57:03 in the morgue won't play with these cats because i ain't got nothing to say to these cats for all

00:57:09 the mothers that really do love them please pray for these cats i can't continue there you see why

00:57:14 that's a minefield but don't you read this and doesn't it remind you of achilles's rampage

00:57:21 if you just change guns with sword they're basically the same thing they're just the

00:57:27 same thing i read homer what i think of is you know african-american hip-hop that's what i think

00:57:32 Does DMX compose his lyrics in Hexameter?

00:57:38 And here we have Odysseus trying to return to the hood, and we have also Zendaya being

00:57:45 cast as Athena.

00:57:46 Why did they film that on a British beach as well?

00:57:51 I've been to many Greek beaches and they weren't this horrible.

00:57:55 Like they're all nice and sandy and it's nice and crystal blue.

00:57:58 That's more like an Italian beach in the Adriatic somewhere.

00:58:01 He's starting trouble there

00:58:03 Yeah, so Zendaya also was cast to play Athena

00:58:09 The great goddess of wisdom and war

00:58:12 She's an interesting mix

00:58:14 But does this look like a smart choice? 0.99

00:58:19 No, no

00:58:20 I can't believe how bad this film is looking

00:58:24 It's like the things we would say as a joke

00:58:28 Like Tanker film

00:58:29 like at least in June with Zendaya

00:58:32 at least you know it's sort of the Fremen

00:58:35 and you can sort of justify it a little bit

00:58:37 they're sort of desert-y so maybe it could work

00:58:39 but here you know it's a Greek mythological story

00:58:43 there's not really any space

00:58:45 she could sort of work as Cheney in June 0.85

00:58:48 because the Fremen are supposed to be desert people aren't they

00:58:51 yeah

00:58:51 so you can sort of stretch but not Athena

00:58:54 I mean, I love the Iliad and the Odyssey

00:59:00 I had to do them, study them at A-level

00:59:02 And since then, I've also re-read them

00:59:06 And listened to them on audiobook

00:59:08 I mean, The Lotus Eaters itself is a reference to

00:59:11 One of the isles that Odysseus and his men go to

00:59:14 In the Odyssey

00:59:15 I said it on The Breakfast Show

00:59:18 So apologies if you've already seen that

00:59:20 And I'm repeating myself

00:59:20 But more people watch this

00:59:22 So I'll say it again

00:59:22 um there's um it should be it used to be a cornerstone of a first-class education

00:59:29 that you were familiar with homer with the iliad and the odyssey and the references to it in art

00:59:36 history and on and on and on okay it's it's it's part of the canon of western uh literary history 0.96

00:59:43 it's it's extremely important it matters if you subvert it and pervert it and make a transgender

00:59:50 gender girl achilles and that matters to me say oh they're all fictional oh what's what's wrong if

00:59:57 you make helen of troy a black woman it's just a fictional character anyway why are you worrying

01:00:01 about it bro why are you being such a bigot about it well it does matter well it does matter it's

01:00:04 one of the earliest foundational texts of the western canon it is one of the most important

01:00:09 texts and basically you know if you were to do the top 100 most important texts in all of human

01:00:15 history if it wasn't there i'd be surprised depending on how you translate it helen is

01:00:20 described as white armed or something isn't she i do have plenty of things to show you there but

01:00:25 we already shown um elliot page as achilles right achilles is supposed to be

01:00:33 uh one of the most violent badass men in the world yeah right gods are afraid to fight him

01:00:44 diomedes who wounds aries the god of war wouldn't dream of challenging achilles that's how badass he

01:00:52 is giant men who stomp around the battlefield slaying everything in their path are terrified

01:00:58 of achilles that's how badass he's supposed to be he's supposed to be he's supposed to be

01:01:02 he's supposed to be physically terrifying and intimidating

01:01:06 so elliot page you're going to give us elliot page as that why why is it so subversive it's

01:01:13 very subversive. And I want to talk here about The View, which is just propaganda. They're saying

01:01:18 here, if you think Helen of Troy cannot be black, you don't know history. And she says Greek culture

01:01:24 comes from Africans. No, it doesn't. No, I mean, it doesn't. But also one thing to say, also Lupita

01:01:30 Nyong'o is cast to play Helen of Troy. And one thing is that you can actually read the text

01:01:39 here in Homer. I just write this, and you can actually read the original. Homer is describing

01:01:47 Athena as a glavkopis, which is bright-eyed, Hera as white-armed, then, that's in the very

01:01:57 beginning. Then he's describing Achilles as having blonde hair, Hera again as having white arms,

01:02:05 and then he's using the same adjective to talk about Helen.

01:02:09 He's talking about Helen with white arms.

01:02:11 Now, when it comes...

01:02:12 Can I say just real quick?

01:02:13 Of course, yes.

01:02:14 Some people, if you go on Twitter, like weird, subversive freak people,

01:02:19 you'll say to them on Twitter, in the original text it says white arms.

01:02:24 They're like, no, you can translate that a number of different ways.

01:02:26 You need to learn your Greek.

01:02:28 You don't translate that.

01:02:29 But you are a native Greek speaker.

01:02:32 you can read ancient greek as well because homer wrote in a different different dialect to modern

01:02:36 greek ancient greek and modern greek are different but you also know ancient greek at least enough

01:02:40 yeah that's not categorically tell people you don't even says white armed yeah you don't even

01:02:46 have to know ancient greek lefko in modern greek is white it's just you don't even have to know

01:02:52 ancient greek and speaking of that i had someone replying to me yes it is absolutely consistent

01:02:59 with Homer, along with the rest of Greek poetry, he used colors for moral and status indicators,

01:03:06 not for actual skin indicators. That's, if you track the implications, that's even worse than

01:03:14 you think. That's even, whatever you think about what I'm saying, what you said here is even worse.

01:03:23 And also, I'm just tired of this. It's just all of that scope. And what I want to say here,

01:03:29 So first of all, Robert Fagles, I have here, is an actual translator, is not an activist

01:03:35 propagandist.

01:03:36 He had no trouble translating this.

01:03:39 He mentions goddess Hera as white-armed, Achilles as having fiery hair.

01:03:45 He's making it more of a ginger here.

01:03:48 Athena, goddess, as gray-eyed.

01:03:50 And interesting, I saw this also in Emily Wilson's text, which is the text that Christopher

01:03:57 Nolan is basing his adaptation on. And one thing here is because, again, they're constantly talking

01:04:07 about race swapping. Race swapping always goes one way. It's incredibly tiring. And it's one 0.53

01:04:13 thing to try and highlight things that haven't been talked about much and quite another to change

01:04:19 the original material. And I have something to tell to the people who want to do race swapping

01:04:25 in Hollywood. You can absolutely talk about black people in ancient Greek lore. You can talk,

01:04:31 for instance, about Memnon, the king of Ethiopia. He also fights Achilles-like Hector, and he was

01:04:38 presented in no less heroic terms than Hector. So you can actually do work and present things.

01:04:46 You can do actual representation of what happened and see that, no, your whole woke

01:04:53 progressivist activism activist angle on it is pure BS um Nolan could just if he wanted to make

01:05:03 it about representation he could have Odysseus talk to the ghost of Memnon he could make a movie

01:05:11 about Memnon fighting Achilles yeah but that's not what they want to do right but I mean he could

01:05:17 also just if he wants to make it about representation why doesn't he cover a story about

01:05:21 you know you know some event in africa why choose greece yeah also but if you know they don't they

01:05:30 don't have even that argument here i have this page in greek mythology memnon was a king of

01:05:35 ethiopia during the trojan war he brought an army to troy's defense and killed nestor's son and then

01:05:42 And he fought Achilles and blah, blah, blah.

01:05:45 So if they wanted to pay tribute to the epic and fulfill all the diversity quotas that Hollywood is forcing upon them, they could actually do it.

01:06:00 Yeah, they don't need to do this.

01:06:03 They could tell a story of when, I think, again, Ethiopian people invaded ancient Egypt, deep in antiquity,

01:06:11 well, in the Middle Kingdom period or something.

01:06:14 And those people, I think, would have been sub-Saharan black people or Saharan fully black people.

01:06:21 Could tell a story about that if you really, really want to...

01:06:25 I'm not even averse to watching a story like that. It's interesting.

01:06:28 it's sort of an unexplored area of history but rather than actually portraying actual history

01:06:33 from that actual part of the world instead it's inserted into our history to race swap helen of

01:06:39 troya with a sub-saharan african woman there's no reason to do that that isn't um political yeah

01:06:48 that isn't malevolent is there there's no reason to do that unless you're trying to proactively 0.98

01:06:54 shit on white people and is there is there any other reason for it it's a very tiring 0.98

01:07:01 conversation here because we know history herodotus is describing the greeks especially 0.99

01:07:07 in contrast to others and he's saying exactly there were meds like we still are it's just yeah

01:07:14 uh let's show up in your your genetic profile wouldn't it if you know yeah so he's basically

01:07:19 describing them as dark-eyed whites. That's essentially how he does. Not as white as the

01:07:26 Scythians, who he portrays as very white and red-haired, but also not like Ethiopians.

01:07:33 And that wasn't any, that wasn't, that was just his description. By the way, he was a

01:07:40 major ethnographer, and Herodotus, obviously, and the father of history.

01:07:45 When you read Herodotus a lot of it is ethnography

01:07:48 These are what the people are like 0.52

01:07:50 This is what they look like

01:07:51 This is the tone of their skin, the colour of their eyes, their type of hair

01:07:54 How tall they are 1.00

01:07:55 This is this tribe, they were practising public fornication 0.99

01:07:58 This is how he constantly goes 0.99

01:08:00 Right, so here by Homer Pavlos

01:08:02 He says basically that it is

01:08:04 Truly mysterious how Nolan

01:08:05 Who insists on accuracy in the films

01:08:08 Chose the feminist Emily Wilson 1.00

01:08:10 Who actively supports cultural Marxism 0.65

01:08:13 And the woke agenda

01:08:13 and one of hers is one of the worst translations of homer's work as a guide to his new movie i

01:08:20 completely agree with i completely agree with you my friend and one thing to say is that one of the

01:08:26 first characterizations of odysseus is politropos which is basically um he was a man of the world

01:08:35 he was cunning he he had he knew he knew the ways of the world essentially he's basically

01:08:41 a well-rounded person is the the general gist of what it means and he could also think on his feet

01:08:47 you know as you'll see later in the one the main translation i always read or the the text i've

01:08:52 got that i've thumbed through many many times is um latimore is it latimore one of the more famous

01:08:58 ones yes and he always describes odysseus as cunning wily yeah uh pious yes pious odysseus

01:09:06 but cunning and wily yeah and yeah that's exactly how it is and it isn't just an issue of translation

01:09:13 it's an issue of how all this is integrated in the wider greek lore and what they're doing here is

01:09:21 contrary to what nolan is saying that the messages defy the gods is the exact opposite

01:09:26 he is trying to actually be an instrument of divine justice and zeus is representing the mass

01:09:34 a combination of power, supreme power, and supreme cunning. That's what is the Greek law.

01:09:42 Right. And one thing is that she translated this as complicated. He was a complicated man.

01:09:49 He had many sides. He had a feminine side. He needed to decompress. He needed to drink some

01:09:55 wine with his friends and talk about how busy his work is and how his boss with an attitude,

01:10:01 with big nails and an attitude was trying to cause fuss for him.

01:10:09 Yeah, but that's not the epic.

01:10:10 So he's a modern disaffected office worker?

01:10:13 Yes.

01:10:14 Ah, yes.

01:10:15 Yes, and maybe he had some issues with his gender

01:10:19 and because that was it, he couldn't exactly be clear with who he was

01:10:25 and that's a metaphor for homecoming because he hadn't exactly understood

01:10:30 who he was.

01:10:30 No, it's about a war of veteran coming home.

01:10:33 Yeah.

01:10:33 I must say, I'll just quickly say, I can't read ancient Greek.

01:10:38 I had to do a 101 when I went to uni.

01:10:41 I didn't go to public school, so I had no Greek. 1.00

01:10:44 Even in the first year at uni, they made you do effectively 1.00

01:10:47 like a GCSE year seven course, just so you've got the tiniest

01:10:51 grounding in it.

01:10:52 But to all intents and purposes, I can't read ancient Greek.

01:10:55 I've only ever read the Odyssey in translation.

01:10:57 however in translation there's nothing of that in there yeah nothing of that at all he's trying to

01:11:03 get home to his wife yes it's pretty much as simple as that and not only this he's trying to

01:11:08 get home to his wife and he tries to find his place in the world and he is faced with a dilemma

01:11:14 do you want to be stay here in the island of calypso and be immortal and you're gonna forego

01:11:21 return returning home or do you want to try and get home and he chooses the latter

01:11:26 Because he's a human being, and that is the message for human wisdom.

01:11:32 But they could do so many things with it, and instead of trying to do this, they subverted a foundational epic for European civilization that they didn't have to.

01:11:44 If they cared about representation and all this stuff, they could actually go about and do it in different ways that would be faithful to the text. 0.55

01:11:53 And they just turned it into propaganda for 2026 US culture wars, just to stick it to the MAGA people. That's what they're doing. So yes, I have massive issues with it, because when we deal with history and when we read with foundational epics, we have to take them at their word.

01:12:15 This is what many times people are saying, that Westerners are reading Easterners through a Western lens, and they're not doing this on the Easterners' own terms.

01:12:30 They're not reading epics like the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, and all these on Eastern terms.

01:12:36 Right, okay, so why read now Homer, why read an ancient Greek text 0.99

01:12:44 through the lens of identity politics of 2026, stupid left versus MAGA? 0.99

01:12:53 Because it always only goes one way, doesn't it? 1.00

01:12:55 It always goes one way. 0.70

01:12:56 The ultimate agenda is that sort of whiteness is the problem. 0.65

01:13:03 Also, I was just going to say, most Hollywood writers as well 0.96

01:13:08 just don't have the chops to write anything other than their thinly disguised

01:13:12 either sexual or political fetishes.

01:13:15 They just can't do it.

01:13:16 They just insert themselves in it.

01:13:18 It's just like, oh, look, I've written myself in the story.

01:13:22 It's like, well, you're a bad writer then.

01:13:24 To do this is pretty evil because if you read a translation of The Odyssey,

01:13:30 Which isn't some sort of new modern 0.93

01:13:32 Translated by some feminist 1.00

01:13:34 With an axe to grind or something 1.00

01:13:36 If you read an older translation

01:13:38 The story is a pretty straightforward story

01:13:40 There's not that many

01:13:42 Genres of story to be honest

01:13:44 There's like a quest

01:13:46 There's a coming of age

01:13:47 These general stories

01:13:49 One of which is homecoming

01:13:51 That's a whole genre of story

01:13:54 The homecoming

01:13:55 Of which the Odyssey is

01:13:57 Perhaps the original

01:13:58 example par excellence all it is is a man trying to get home very wholesome really trying to get

01:14:05 home and there's barrier after barrier after barrier put in his way and then he overcomes

01:14:11 them and gets home it's a simple it's pretty much as simple as that yeah and so to do this with it

01:14:16 is disgusting isn't it it is absolutely disgusting it subverts one of one attacks that i mean

01:14:26 And some people hold to a very high esteem, and it's foundational for European civilization

01:14:33 and Greek civilization.

01:14:36 And here we have by Roman Helmet Guy, he is saying, Emily Wilson read the story about

01:14:42 a cyclops eating Odysseus' men and thought, wow, this monster is a non-white person. 0.95

01:14:48 People might get the idea that non-white people are savage. 0.99

01:14:51 I better not use the term savage. 0.94

01:14:53 That will reinforce colonialism.

01:14:55 And she says here, for example, the Odyssey is a poem that may seem to normalize the treatment of non-Western people as monsters.

01:15:04 I've made clear, especially in my version of the Polyphemus episode, that this is not entirely true.

01:15:10 The text allows for a certain amount of sympathy and even admiration for this non-Greek person. 0.82

01:15:17 What on earth are you on about? Why give credence to this? 1.00

01:15:20 unlike many modern translators i've avoided describing the cyclops with words such as savage 0.94

01:15:26 you complete moron yeah it's just like i can't believe these people actually walk amongst us and 0.99

01:15:33 you know you know at first glance you can't necessarily tell that underneath their skull 1.00

01:15:39 is a complete absence of a brain like what is going on here it's a cyclops it is a monster

01:15:47 and deliberately set up in the story to be so yeah yeah absolutely uh again i i've actually

01:15:55 read it a couple of times listened to it a couple more times polyphemus the uh the the cyclops is

01:16:01 absolutely supposed to be almost not quite two-dimensional but it's a straight up and down

01:16:07 straightforwardly a monstrous creature a monstrous character it's straightforwardly terrifying that's

01:16:14 whole point of it there's not there's not really there's not much more to it it's not to do with 0.88

01:16:19 being greek and non-greek and being to do with being what what's who's white and non-white it's

01:16:24 got nothing to do with colonialism nothing nothing nothing at all it's supposed to be a dangerous 0.90

01:16:29 monstrous thing that will eat men alive all it is is a vehicle something that will eat men alive

01:16:36 and it's a danger that you must overcome it's all that's all it is yeah nothing to do with

01:16:41 colonialism. And absolutely nothing to do with colonialism. And let's just

01:16:46 cut the long story short here. He's a demigod. He's the son of Poseidon. And what he did here 1.00

01:16:56 is absolutely crucial to the story. He violated the divine order of Zeus, which is be hospitable

01:17:03 to strangers. But unlike what modern progressives want to portray this as being, this goes both

01:17:11 ways. It isn't just love strangers and foreigners unconditionally. It's also hospitality must not

01:17:20 be abused. It's the suitors who abuse hospitality. And in the same way that he is violating this law,

01:17:29 the suitors are violating the same law as well both get divine comeuppance it's as simple as that

01:17:35 has nothing to do with colonialism and non-greek people the same thing it happens for polyphemus 0.56

01:17:42 who is a cyclops a demigod cyclops it happens to the greek ithacan suitors so for anyone who doesn't

01:17:49 know back home in ithaca this is his this is his home where he's uh he hasn't been there for 20

01:17:56 years there's like a hundred men that all want to marry his wife penelope yeah they're the suitors

01:18:01 yes and they're they're an example of where uh the guest has done something wrong yeah and and

01:18:08 they get their comeuppance is that is that we have this meme no no that's a meme here it says

01:18:12 it's racist to call a literal giant man-eating monster a savage yep right here we have a article

01:18:21 on time that said something really interesting about the sirens. It says, let me find it where

01:18:29 it is, that Odysseus was a complicated man and he had the issues and he performed an existential

01:18:39 crisis as the sirens psychoanalyzed him through song. So they were Freudian sirens, were they?

01:18:49 Yeah, they were psychoanaly... or Lacanian or something. The session would be fast.

01:18:56 The sirens look like your mother?

01:19:01 What does it mean? It's so anachronistic. They're not psychoanalyzing because

01:19:06 Freudian psychoanalysis didn't exist in ancient Greece.

01:19:09 Yeah, they're just monsters who are luring passengers, people who pass by,

01:19:15 and they're luring them with their song and they eat them they're not psychoanalysts are you trying

01:19:21 to tell us something about psychoanalysis is this a is this a deep criticism a symbolic criticism

01:19:27 of psychoanalysis as a structure of power yes isn't it rubbish it's very straightforward really

01:19:34 is that the right thing to do is to get home to your wife and kid that's the the right morally

01:19:42 correct thing to do and you're going to be tempted along the way with a number of different things

01:19:48 all sorts of different things will tempt you to abandon that quest yeah and the sirens are just

01:19:54 one of those yes that's all and he has to make the right decision to abandon that what they're

01:20:01 offering him and keep on going home to his wife and kid and uh it's nothing to do with psychoanalysis

01:20:07 Absolutely. And when it comes to the Lotus Eaters is that he is reminding his crew of their mission.

01:20:15 Just as simple as that. Here we have an article by Variety who thought that it was a smart move to berate the audience and talk down to the audience.

01:20:25 because this is what actually wokeness comes down to. 1.00

01:20:29 People just being stupid, demented freaks 1.00

01:20:33 trying to tell you that you're a bad person 1.00

01:20:36 and that you need to treat them preferentially.

01:20:39 The Odyssey, why Elon Musk and his troll army's attacks 0.94

01:20:42 aren't just silly, but wildly inaccurate. 0.83

01:20:45 Yeah, I showed you who is wildly inaccurate here. 0.57

01:20:47 And also just, Elon, just don't offend Apollo

01:20:52 if you want to be Agamemnon and we're going to be fine.

01:20:54 just out of interest

01:20:55 what was their

01:20:56 what were they even

01:20:57 trying to argue

01:20:57 was wildly inaccurate

01:20:58 what's wildly inaccurate

01:20:59 just what

01:21:02 that Helen is 1.00

01:21:04 white-armed

01:21:04 okay

01:21:05 alright

01:21:05 forget it

01:21:06 right so

01:21:07 here the Greek Times

01:21:08 are in particularly happy

01:21:10 they're saying

01:21:10 Nolan's Odyssey

01:21:11 problem 0.93

01:21:11 diversity without 1.00

01:21:12 Greeks is not diversity 1.00

01:21:14 just on a Greek epic

01:21:16 yeah

01:21:17 yeah

01:21:17 and I

01:21:18 I am making this

01:21:19 suggestion

01:21:21 we could have 0.99

01:21:21 Clelia

01:21:22 and Drio Latou 1.00

01:21:23 to play helen i think she'd make a good helen of troy that's a suggestion exactly what any normal

01:21:29 person would imagine helen of troy would look something like that yeah i i went back 20 years

01:21:36 ago that would be he would be cast probably right and here we have uh the academies the oscar from

01:21:43 oscars.org standards of representation and inclusion and uh you can read this article this

01:21:51 just shouldn't be here and they're saying here standard a on-screen representation themes and

01:21:58 narratives a film can achieve this standard by meeting the criteria in at least one of the

01:22:03 following areas lead or significant supporting actors from under-representing racial or ethnic

01:22:08 literally the first thing that they bring up also it's just a hunk of metal who cares about these 0.94

01:22:13 stupid awards like a good film is a work of art that stands the test of time no one's going to 0.94

01:22:19 care in 30 years that it won an oscar or not but it's also it's also not merit based in any shape 1.00

01:22:26 or form they aren't saying sorry white folks all of the available candidates were twinks

01:22:33 we need to cast someone like idris elba to play achilles that's not it they say page is going to

01:22:40 play achilles it's it's it's not merit based in any shape sense it's it's representation based

01:22:47 And one thing is that the more Hollywood approaches Netflix, the more there is no reason for people to go and watch movies because they can watch Netflix.

01:23:03 Right.

01:23:06 Cookie Boy 23 says Nolan should have modernized the story and made it about getting home from a night out in London.

01:23:13 Sigilstone 17.

01:23:15 Cyclopses could be here.

01:23:17 this is thought i hate cyclopses the cool air felt good in his chest with a ship you can go

01:23:23 anywhere good meme reference that's a random name i was told cyclopses eating men was because of

01:23:30 socioeconomic factors it just need it just needed more community centers yeah if only the cyclops

01:23:35 had like a ping pong table matthew c next you'll be telling me that um significant changeover is

01:23:42 a real thing yes fallen fiber fiber the film is subversive but something can be subverted to such

01:23:49 a mental degree that it transcends becoming a kind of anti-subversion that backfires and

01:23:55 inadvertently promotes the original material is hoping is hoping fingers crossed busted brian

01:24:01 further word coming down is that page is an achilles but a young soldier on the journey

01:24:06 who dies gruesomely in battle,

01:24:09 later being one of the multiple spirits

01:24:11 who speak with Odysseus in the underworld. 0.98

01:24:14 Well, that's something at least

01:24:15 because to have cast her as Achilles

01:24:17 would have been truly...

01:24:20 Yeah, anyway, so hopefully... 1.00

01:24:21 I'm sure she's got a few battle scars.

01:24:24 We have some of the videos, I see.

01:24:27 Yes, we've got quite a few to get through, haven't we?

01:24:29 Yep.

01:24:30 You want the cookie. 1.00

01:24:32 You want the cookie.

01:24:33 You want that cookie bit, don't you?

01:24:35 You want that cookie.

01:24:36 There you go, you love that cookie.

01:24:42 Good enrichment, though.

01:24:46 Yeah.

01:24:47 Nice. 0.73

01:24:47 Go to the next one.

01:24:49 It's cute.

01:24:50 It's Connor.

01:24:51 Clearly, America's military might has been spent

01:24:53 and they haven't been able to top the regime in a significant enough way.

01:24:55 It's because a large amount of people doing the revolutionary protests

01:24:57 in early January were Iraqi Kurds,

01:24:58 who were stateless people often backed by American and Israeli proxy movements. 0.96

01:25:00 No offence, but that's just IRGC bullshit.

01:25:02 The protests themselves had nothing to do with Israel or Iraqi Kurds. 0.93

01:25:05 They were largely a response to the collapse of the Iranian real and skyrocketing inflation.

01:25:08 They were driven by Iranians' anger over the economy, high prices and regime corruption.

01:25:12 The Iraqi Kurds plus Israel slash US funded it story is the standard Iranian regime propaganda they use every time there are protests.

01:25:17 While the US and Israel do support some Iranian opposition groups, including Kurds, there's no evidence they caused or funded these specific protests.

01:25:24 I want to say one thing here because this was also played when Conor was here.

01:25:30 I agree with both of you, but you're both having different discussions.

01:25:33 I do agree with you that, yeah, the IRGC and the Mullahs are not a good regime and they hate their people and they're massacring them.

01:25:42 But Conor's point was essentially a different point.

01:25:46 It was that if the current, this wouldn't be such an issue for the UK if the border policies had been different.

01:25:58 So you were engaging in different conversations.

01:26:02 I also didn't follow a word Connor said

01:26:05 because he already speaks very quickly

01:26:06 so speeding him up was just

01:26:08 No, I was here, but yeah, I mean, I do agree with you 1.00

01:26:11 it's a bullshit regime and an evil one 0.99

01:26:13 Let's go play the next one 1.00

01:26:14 You see, I dream of a world

01:26:23 where every one of my soldiers is paid

01:26:25 not in gold, because that belongs to me

01:26:27 but rather with a firm handshake

01:26:29 and a gentle kiss

01:26:30 Unfortunately, the labor unions don't share my vision.

01:26:33 He's one of the strongest units in the game.

01:26:35 Men want to be him, women want to be with him, and today, I am him.

01:26:39 The first thing I wanted to try was the trimmer, and let me tell you,

01:26:41 after testing this extensively, I can say with great confidence that it works very well.

01:26:49 What a weird video. Let's play the next one.

01:26:53 Wanna see my one?

01:26:54 we're not going to get out of it

01:26:57 if we don't

01:26:59 basically accept where we are

01:27:01 hunker down

01:27:03 do some hard work

01:27:05 lay some pipe

01:27:06 turns out not only do we have one baby

01:27:15 we've now got two

01:27:15 so twins are on the way

01:27:16 god help me

01:27:17 so I won't get much rest

01:27:18 oh yeah congratulations

01:27:22 yeah well done

01:27:23 I only heard the other day that it was actually twins

01:27:26 Blimey

01:27:28 Okay

01:27:29 Yeah, good luck 0.98

01:27:30 Hopefully if you get one's a boy and one's a girl 0.98

01:27:33 Then you've got your bases covered 0.94

01:27:35 You've got everything

01:27:37 You don't have to double up

01:27:38 Let's play the next one

01:27:40 So has anyone else noticed that Starmer's strategy for maintaining power

01:27:44 Where he says that he'll call a snap election if anyone tries to oust him

01:27:48 And thus emulate his own party

01:27:50 Is basically the same strategy as Paul Atreides

01:27:53 where when he takes over Arrakis,

01:27:55 the way he keeps the coalition from invading him

01:27:57 is saying that if they try,

01:28:00 he will destroy all of the spice

01:28:02 and thus make it impossible for the galaxy

01:28:05 to operate commercially,

01:28:07 thus maintaining his own power.

01:28:09 Something Starmer should consider for his own challengers

01:28:12 is how Paul Atreides compressed all of his opponents

01:28:14 into water for trying to betray him.

01:28:18 Awesome.

01:28:18 One thing to say is that the first unit

01:28:22 is just a 101 of realpolitik.

01:28:25 It's like you have two players and you're the emperor

01:28:28 and one is getting too strong

01:28:30 and you want to use the other one to sort of curb him a bit.

01:28:34 It's just, that's why, yeah.

01:28:35 It doesn't work out well for him in the end, does it?

01:28:37 It's a classic tactic as I would say,

01:28:39 but even mad, you know, mutually assured destruction.

01:28:45 Or even the idea that they build nukes so big

01:28:47 that they effectively become doomsday devices,

01:28:50 which they drew up plans to do, but decided not to. 0.97

01:28:53 It's like, just don't attack me because I'll kill everyone. 0.99

01:28:58 We'll just kill absolutely everyone. 0.99

01:29:02 It's a good disincentive. 0.99

01:29:03 It's a tactic, isn't it? 0.53

01:29:06 For our next lotus critter, we have our little runt mouse, Willow.

01:29:11 He is the runt of the litter and was so small we thought he was a girl,

01:29:16 so he was living with them for a while until we noticed something

01:29:18 wasn't quite right about him.

01:29:20 he was a naughty boy weren't you his favorite thing to do is examine

01:29:25 hands and look for treats that you might bring him

01:29:31 very cute you make me want to get a pet now yeah let's go the next one please

01:29:38 is that peter has eliminated all resistance

01:29:43 good good soon my plans will be fulfilled

01:29:50 StarMatorBotEXE has destroyed the Labour Party, the Conservatives, the Lib Dems, reform, leaving only the Greens and restore...

01:30:03 Is that Captain America's shield in the neck?

01:30:08 I had no idea what it was going on, but I enjoyed the cat.

01:30:11 Is this Peter Poe? Peter Poe? Okay, great.

01:30:13 Boop boop beep, StarMatorBot will not resign.

01:30:17 On the segment about aliens, the question isn't, does life exist?

01:30:21 It's rather the for me paradox of, why aren't they here yet?

01:30:24 Even at sub-light speed, the entire galaxy could have been conquered in only 400 million years.

01:30:28 While the zoo hypothesis is quite comforting, I take a dimmer view.

01:30:31 When any civilization reaches a certain level of competence, it abolishes its own selection pressures,

01:30:36 suddenly supporting and tolerating ethics and aberrations that are contrary to survival or upward progress.

01:30:41 I think this is the grand filter of life.

01:30:43 And while it's nice to imagine there await grand wonders in the stars,

01:30:46 I got a terrible hunch it's just thinly dotted

01:30:48 with developmentally stunted civilizational strip malls.

01:30:53 Nice. Let's play the next one.

01:30:58 Okay, we finished.

01:31:00 Let's read a few comments from the segments.

01:31:04 I can read them if you want.

01:31:06 Sure.

01:31:07 And we go to prepare for Lads Hour, 3 p.m.

01:31:11 We're going to be here for Lads Hour.

01:31:13 Right. So Zesty King says, I went to Great Yarmouth around June last year.

01:31:17 I saw lots of union flags, a VE day display and two MAGA pins.

01:31:22 As someone from Blackpool, all I needed was some crime and I would have felt at home. 1.00

01:31:27 Russian Garbage Human says, where is it? Wait. 1.00

01:31:31 Yep. Accidentally left a USB power bank on the roof of my car.

01:31:35 Went for an entire day of canvassing thinking.

01:31:38 I lost it, came back after evening pints. Still there.

01:31:42 High trust society right there

01:31:44 Michael Dribelby says

01:31:46 If they move to push Starmer out

01:31:48 He'll call a general election

01:31:49 Because he'll burn labour to the ground

01:31:52 Before he'll give up power

01:31:55 Possibly, I mean, possible

01:31:58 Geordie Swordsman says

01:32:00 Northumbria does not recognise this 0.98

01:32:03 Mercian pretender 1.00

01:32:04 The North doesn't abide with 1.00

01:32:07 Doesn't abide by

01:32:08 Andy Burnham

01:32:10 Myrmidon 2010

01:32:11 Stan Stelios what would you and the panel prefer the Crestford Nolan treatment of the

01:32:16 Odyssey or have it done in the style of 300 300 Rise of an Empire just that's not even

01:32:23 a decision I like the 300 films to be honest they're good for what they are I like the

01:32:29 first one yeah yeah and um George um George Hap says casting is always intentional if

01:32:38 If you see a race or a sex swap, it was put there by the people in charge.

01:32:42 And it's an insult to the intelligence of the viewer. 1.00

01:32:45 Zero tolerance to such garbage. 0.90

01:32:48 And knowledge abomination is cultural pollution, which should be mocked and ignored. 0.99

01:32:54 Hear, hear.

01:32:54 What a positive note.

01:32:55 And just one last thing to say was that Matt Damon said, Nolan is very faithful to it.

01:33:01 Homer is not just something you rewrite.

01:33:03 so

01:33:06 we reached the end of this episode

01:33:09 thank you very much gentlemen

01:33:10 and see you

01:33:13 for Lads Hour at 3pm

01:33:15 goodbye

01:33:16 bye

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 15, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1419

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