The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1419

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. Welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Seaters. Today is episode 1419.

00:00:06.860 I'm your host, Elios, and today I'm joined by brother Beau and brother Josh.

00:00:11.220 Greetings upon you.

00:00:12.680 And we're going to have a really good episode. Today we are going to discuss Britain's Patriot

00:00:17.880 Paradise. Good. The Battle of Maker Field and how Nolan's Odyssey is an attempt at cultural 0.59

00:00:25.740 erasure we did a segment before but so much has happened since that deserves a follow-up uh two

00:00:32.780 announcements before we begin bo lately you are crushing it you're killing it you are slaying it

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00:00:57.580 your life will be and i and i'm gonna check okay and uh stelios is like breakfast with

00:01:03.100 beau's santa claus he's checking his list and he's you know checking it twice yeah

00:01:08.140 and i have another announcement that is very close to my heart yesterday we had 44 years of

00:01:15.500 conan the barbarian this movie with arnold schwarzenegger and i'm gonna say basically

00:01:22.080 crush your enemies see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women

00:01:27.260 that's the message i got from the movie i hope i'm practicing it well right and on that note

00:01:34.080 should we go to britain's patriot not gangster paradise patriot paradise so yes i've actually

00:01:42.540 spent a week in Great Yarmouth, which I have labelled Britain's Patriot Paradise, because

00:01:47.760 it truly is. I know, Beau, you came up and visited for the day, didn't you? So you'll

00:01:52.780 be able to say a little bit about it. But I'm just going to be talking about my experiences

00:01:56.040 there. And this is now the place that has a Restore Britain MP, as well as nine Restore

00:02:04.300 Britain councillors under Great Yarmouth first. And so you could argue that at least

00:02:10.400 in terms of their political representatives. It's the most right-wing part of the country.

00:02:15.960 And I don't think it's any mistake, because if you look at Great Yarmouth around here,

00:02:22.320 it's still quite a holdout, if I zoom out, just in case you're not familiar with where it is.

00:02:28.880 There's London down there, and it's all the way up here. And it's like a former seaside holiday

00:02:34.400 town, really. So lots of people would perhaps travel up from London and the surrounding areas,

00:02:38.640 go to the beach and the arcades and the like as a you know many towns across england and wales

00:02:45.820 and actually parts of scotland as well and um yes lots of people have been making the same

00:02:51.860 observation that it's like traveling back in time to to proper england um you know that as

00:02:58.600 lucy says here old-fashioned seaside hotels with pink bathtubs and local english staff we could

00:03:03.520 actually enjoy a conversation with the hotel i stayed in was very much like that it was really

00:03:08.020 really good um you know proper english food done very nicely you know you have those old

00:03:14.880 pattern rugs you have actual conversations with people that are enjoyable like i would talk to

00:03:21.000 my taxi drivers and have a nice conversation in fact one of them gave me a discount because i was

00:03:26.720 going around with a great yama first hat on it's like you know what mate for the hard work you've

00:03:31.920 been doing you know i'll only charge you a fiver so uh lots of good people around there well i

00:03:37.680 liked is it's a classic english seaside town for anyone who's foreign um there's a there's just a

00:03:46.820 certain something about the english seaside towns right there's it on some level it's sort of a bit

00:03:54.440 cheap and tacky on another level it's great it's great there's just something i mean part of my

00:03:59.980 childhood i spent loads of my childhood because i'm so poor having holidays in britain like around

00:04:06.320 kent around the south coast places in norfolk suffolk and like you know like the arcades

00:04:11.000 candy floss a bit of a stick of rock uh and like the cold wind blowing in a freezing sea

00:04:17.800 but it's there's just there's so much charm to that i love it well it's lovely it's a lovely

00:04:24.280 place and i'll say the cheap and tacky thing um sometimes like on the actual you know like with

00:04:29.720 the arcade machines and all that sort of thing but then is that picture is that picture right

00:04:33.380 their shows uh not cheap attack at all really really really really really quaint and old school

00:04:42.080 old-fashioned yeah proper england that's a great way of putting it proper england yeah and i want

00:04:48.100 to talk a little bit about the sort of vibe of being in the place because it's something to you

00:04:52.660 know you can't really get from the internet sure you can get it a little bit here with all the

00:04:57.300 flags flying and all of the signs in people's uh gardens there were there was lots of that to be

00:05:02.600 honest but when I was out with the you know the hat and the the t-shirt on canvassing um people

00:05:09.460 would just drive by and beep their horns um people would actually approach you like chase you down

00:05:14.900 wanting a conversation with you about you know what you're doing and uh what the policies are

00:05:21.320 and it was really refreshing because I lived in Swindon for five years and it certainly wasn't

00:05:25.940 like that you know I got to the point where I stopped wearing headphones walking down the main

00:05:30.040 high street in case someone snuck up behind me to murder me basically i didn't feel like that in

00:05:36.160 great yarm if not one bit and uh you didn't see any person being thrown over the first floor

00:05:41.360 from a hotel nearby no it was a third floor in in swindon yeah i did video that i had to hand it

00:05:47.740 into the uh police that was slightly worrying now i don't live there i can just say i suppose yeah

00:05:52.680 it was right opposite where i lived so i looked out the window before getting ready to go to

00:05:56.880 lotus eaters and there was just someone jumping out of a third story window and then a couple

00:06:01.120 of weeks later someone was stabbed in the neck outside my flat and i wasn't even allowed to go

00:06:05.120 home a haunted town it truly is yeah sometimes when you when you live in a diverse area

00:06:11.820 you quite quickly forget what it's like to live in a homogenous area with higher trust low crime

00:06:19.100 you sort of forget that quite quickly well there is when you go back i'm sure there is yeah when

00:06:24.220 you go back to somewhere that's like what did it say 94% white or something like that and it's just

00:06:29.580 normal it's like the old days it very much was like we'd go into a pub and everyone was welcoming

00:06:34.920 and they'd see that you've been out canvassing and even if they didn't necessarily agree with

00:06:38.460 you it's like oh yeah I'll have a chat where you figure out you know what you believe just in case

00:06:43.080 you know I might change my mind there was this sort of open-mindedness um and wherever you know

00:06:49.640 i saw rupert a few times going about wherever he went he was treated like a celebrity almost

00:06:54.300 he drew a crowd like uh we were sat on the beachfront having a pint and rupert turned up

00:06:59.860 and slowly more and more people came filtering through asking for pictures that were just like

00:07:05.040 there um to go to the beach well he's the next prime minister of this kingdom isn't he so

00:07:11.540 here's hoping so um one thing i did want to mention as well is that there's a lot of things 0.84

00:07:20.220 like this um here's russian garbage human who came and helped us out and pointing out that

00:07:24.320 there were pubs with like uh signs like this saying you know cash is king don't use cards 0.63

00:07:29.960 because it helps us out and apparently like the pos nearby but um anyway one thing i did want to

00:07:38.080 touch on is this article, which is the England flag war town where pensioners are radicalized

00:07:45.460 by the far right on Facebook. So basically, there's a story of people putting up flags in

00:07:49.860 Great Yarmouth and then people are taking them down. But from what I saw, the people putting

00:07:55.120 up the flags are definitely winning. But they're trying to claim that the whole town has been

00:08:00.560 radicalized by Facebook. And I just wanted to actually talk about what happened while I was

00:08:07.640 there, I'd spoke to thousands of people. So you can't say, you know, Josh, you're in an online

00:08:12.300 echo chamber because I spoke to so many people on the doors. I was doing it, you know, from nine to

00:08:17.260 five for a full week. So I put in a lot of work. That's why I've tanned so much is because it's

00:08:23.920 very sunny and spoke to thousands of people, just ordinary people knocking on doors, just people on

00:08:29.960 the electoral register. And so I think I've got quite a good impression of what people believe.

00:08:36.800 And I think it's important to actually talk about that because sure, you know, not everyone

00:08:41.080 gets their news from, you know, X or podcasts on YouTube like this one. Um, but people are a lot

00:08:47.540 more plugged into things than you actually give them credit for a lot of the time. And, um, it's

00:08:52.820 also worth mentioning as well, just the huge turnout of people that came out to volunteer.

00:08:57.460 Um, this is just volunteering. Yes. That's impressive. Yeah. So I think there was, you know,

00:09:03.720 on a couple of weekends over 300 people each time if not more and I did do an interview and I pointed

00:09:12.860 out here that all the people that I spoke to that volunteered for canvassing were some of the best

00:09:18.780 people in Britain going right they're professionals they've got proper careers they're really nice

00:09:24.820 they're welcoming they're friendly and it had this atmosphere of something really worthwhile

00:09:31.200 and wholesome. And if that momentum, you know, all these people can volunteer, um, and they're

00:09:36.520 all good, hardworking, normal people, then, you know, that's it, right? It's going to be a huge

00:09:42.960 sweep. But, um, I'm going to talk about, um, on the doors because, uh, we were doing it for quite

00:09:50.700 some time and about 50 to 60% of the people I spoke to were in favor of Great Yarmouth First

00:09:56.380 and restore Britain um especially women interestingly so I have two sort of theories

00:10:03.700 about this they're more likely to be on social media than men we know this to be true and so

00:10:09.040 they're more likely to see you know posts about it online and therefore more likely to be aware of it

00:10:14.880 there was quite a few instances where a woman will be voting Great Yama first and then her husband

00:10:20.200 will be voting reform that happened quite a lot there's actually one instance where where a woman

00:10:25.460 said like i'm voting for great yama first but um i've been going through some marital problems so

00:10:30.600 i think my husband's just voting reform just to spite me it's just like i'm not getting involved

00:10:35.660 in this but um i think it's interesting that quite often people will have a pop at boomers 0.58

00:10:40.620 for all being libtards or have a pop at women that they don't know what they're doing or saying 0.52

00:10:45.480 shouldn't be allowed to vote i don't agree with that no no no when you find a based boomer or a 0.91

00:10:50.580 woman they're usually ultra based right isn't that often the case there are lots of people

00:10:55.760 actually that were you know in their 70s or 80s that were completely on side with things like

00:11:02.320 i got invited invited into the home of a couple of 80 year olds who just like oh you've come all

00:11:08.420 this way here i'll give you this pin as like a little thank you i've got loads of them i don't

00:11:12.580 need all of them so they gave me an england flag pin i spoke to them for about 10 15 minutes and

00:11:17.640 they were entirely on board they're just like yeah politicians have come and gone but I think

00:11:21.920 Rupert Lowe's the real deal and I you know we really support him he's got a lot of the right

00:11:26.100 ideas and that was something that happened a lot actually there was another guy um who I spoke to

00:11:31.560 I caught him while he was working in his garden and he was telling me that um he'd done work

00:11:37.520 he was a builder and he'd worked on one of the councillors um houses once and so he's like yeah

00:11:42.720 I know him yeah I'll vote for him of course I will and he gave me a long story about how he was

00:11:46.740 actually there building up Great Yarmouth in the 50s and how it's a shame to watch it all go to

00:11:51.600 ruin and he was completely spot on basically about everything wrong he's like you know it's just that 0.99

00:11:57.980 there's not enough money here anymore the immigration has made things a bit more dangerous

00:12:03.620 women don't want to go into the town centre anymore not even in the daytime and it's taking 0.80

00:12:08.420 money out of the economy even more so and it was really interesting and refreshing to hear 0.71

00:12:13.020 normal people just on the doors say things that other people might accuse us of being a little

00:12:18.940 bit of an echo chamber about and it does bleed out into the wider world i think and it is good

00:12:23.840 when i was there i was only there for one day but from my lived experience my irl observations

00:12:30.960 but yeah there's people uh tooting their horns quite a lot in support and the few people i talked

00:12:37.580 that worked in a bar or something like that,

00:12:40.740 they were just completely on board.

00:12:44.140 I certainly didn't see a single instance of finger-wagging you Nazis

00:12:50.680 or anything like that.

00:12:51.380 I didn't get any of that.

00:12:52.320 Not one.

00:12:54.020 Usually, I've got a little bit of experience with party politics

00:12:56.780 over the years, here or there, and usually it's just very,

00:13:00.520 very, very minimal, very, very lukewarm support, if any at all.

00:13:04.680 so to have actual positive sort of unsolicited positive support amazing i've not seen anything

00:13:12.460 like it i mean i remember when a few of us went into a pub and people started chanting like a

00:13:18.460 restore britain chant really it's a bit surreal it's just like just coming in for a pint at the

00:13:24.960 end of a day of canvassing and and we even went to a like a bar and their dj gave out a shout out

00:13:33.260 to rupert which you wouldn't expect it would you but um there were a few people actually that still

00:13:41.020 didn't understand the difference between restore and reform and i got had a lot of that having to

00:13:45.700 clear up the difference and then explain the difference between restore and great yama first

00:13:50.340 so that's still something that i think has got to permeate into the public consciousness but it'll

00:13:55.420 get there i think do you think that i think there are two things about this one is that many people

00:14:01.720 I've heard who make the case for a store are making it first about personality. They're saying

00:14:09.100 we don't trust Farage, we trust Rupert. That's what I hear. Do you think that being more clear

00:14:15.920 with respect to policy would help? I think so. And I think also it is important to emphasize

00:14:24.260 where you're willing to make compromises. I think Farage has not been as hard on immigration as he

00:14:30.120 could have and lots of people um who were saying they were voting for restore were saying well the 0.98

00:14:36.540 problem is that i don't trust faraj he's invited all of those multicultural candidates in um he's 0.62

00:14:41.860 got lots of muslims in prominent positions so he's just going the way of the tories that's

00:14:46.860 you know verbatim what someone said to me uh and there are many iterations of that sort of line

00:14:52.860 so this the kind of things that we've been saying for months now were being said to me on the door

00:14:58.660 that Farage perhaps is not the real deal.

00:15:00.900 And people were sort of waking up to it.

00:15:02.300 And there was even a person that said something

00:15:04.580 that I've pretty much said verbatim,

00:15:06.680 which was, well, reform's kind of turning

00:15:08.840 into a little bit of a circus now, isn't it?

00:15:11.040 That's what they said.

00:15:12.720 They're not very serious anymore.

00:15:14.600 And there are lots of serious problems here.

00:15:16.360 And I don't think them, you know, having,

00:15:19.280 I can't remember exactly what they said,

00:15:20.840 but the sort of bingo hall politics that they're doing

00:15:23.160 is taking it particularly serious.

00:15:25.300 And the distinction they made

00:15:27.620 between Farage and Rupert

00:15:29.840 is that Rupert is quite serious

00:15:31.500 about these sorts of things

00:15:32.740 and Farage seems to be a little bit more

00:15:35.500 of light entertainment,

00:15:38.140 that sort of vibe about it.

00:15:40.120 It's been the argument all along about reform

00:15:43.600 that reform and Nigel,

00:15:45.900 the way they're handling it,

00:15:46.900 i.e. being basically just multicultural,

00:15:51.380 being completely normie-friendly,

00:15:54.120 Channel 4 news-friendly on that,

00:15:56.160 That you have to, the political calculation is that you have to do that because if you go any further than that, then you will just simply lose at the ballot box.

00:16:06.400 Well, that wasn't the case.

00:16:07.900 That's just not true. It's not the case.

00:16:10.320 I believe there's a massive swathe of people out there that are dying for something harder line than Nigel and reform. Dying for it.

00:16:19.280 One of the main things I heard on the doors, either people just simply weren't voting and turned out, which we'll get to in a bit.

00:16:25.460 But also people that have been put off by reform, basically folding on a more hardline stance on immigration.

00:16:32.180 That was one of the main things that came up.

00:16:34.160 Even though it was a local election, of course, it's not a national election that will determine that.

00:16:38.040 But they just didn't want to cast their support for them because of that direction.

00:16:41.720 Because that's what the legacy corporate mainstream media will have you believe.

00:16:46.200 That something like reform and NIAG is right on the absolute outer limit.

00:16:50.960 Even they are Nazi bigots or whatever.

00:16:52.940 anything beyond that is truly beyond the pale and evil

00:16:56.120 that's part of the reason that they're saying it in the first place

00:16:59.720 is basically to make them out to be

00:17:01.520 you know a tiger but really it's a paper tiger right

00:17:04.840 you know they're calling them fascists and the like

00:17:07.120 when actually it's very far from that sort of thing

00:17:09.960 and it's a bit absurd

00:17:12.640 all they're doing is making them out to sound more extreme

00:17:15.040 and that only helps galvanize their support

00:17:17.120 but it's people mistakenly thinking that

00:17:20.020 you know they're saying they're a party that wants to

00:17:22.600 deport everyone um when that's obviously not the case and in fact there's not really much

00:17:28.520 appetite for deportations at all from what i've seen of the senior leadership at least

00:17:33.460 but um getting on to some of the people that gave me a bad reception the rudest people were

00:17:38.180 middle-aged middle-class men to me on the doors which was surprising optic masculinity apparently

00:17:44.560 so so i i had one instance where i rang the doorbell didn't say anything and someone just

00:17:50.680 looked at me said no go away and slam the door in my face i had a james o'brien look-alike ask us

00:17:56.200 about um so i saw a post uh from rupert on facebook and he said he wanted to give a foreign man

00:18:02.720 uh the death penalty does he um does he believe that about white people and i was with charlie

00:18:08.540 as in charlie downs at the time he's like yeah uh he does actually uh for like murdering the likes

00:18:13.940 and he's like oh well maybe he should have put out a post like that and then he sort of was

00:18:18.580 was visibly shaking and closed the door on us, which is a bit weird. But then I also had a guy

00:18:23.580 who lived in this beautiful cottage in a village. Uh, and he came out of his house and before we

00:18:29.300 could say anything, he basically started chasing us down on crutches, um, while shouting, go away,

00:18:35.280 get off my property. Um, but other than that, it was fine. There was a few bad instances, but

00:18:42.580 no one really called me racist or any names like that. Um, and most people who disagreed were

00:18:47.420 actually very polite i spoke to some greens and lib dems and labor voters and actually they were

00:18:52.560 all very nice to me to be honest and many of them had a nice chat like well i'm still going to vote

00:18:57.660 for you know the party i want to but i wish you well and thank you for talking to me and have a

00:19:02.140 nice day which is lovely that's the kind of civil politics you know we want to preserve it's

00:19:08.620 interesting that when if you spend a lot of time on twitter or facebook or whatever where everyone

00:19:13.860 sort of dialed up to sort of crazy road rage levels of sort of insult immediately.

00:19:21.600 The vast majority of people in real life are polite.

00:19:25.220 Even if they disagree with you, they're actually really polite nearly all the time.

00:19:29.140 This is what I've been trying to tell people is that, you know,

00:19:32.080 the atmosphere online is not the same as the atmosphere in person.

00:19:35.060 I've got multiple friends that don't agree with me politically,

00:19:38.140 but we're still friends and still perfectly friendly with each other.

00:19:40.920 It doesn't matter as much, certainly not in Britain.

00:19:42.740 In the States, it's a little bit more of a dividing line, but less so here, I think.

00:19:47.720 And people still have the capability to be nice and civil and live in a civil society, even though they disagree.

00:19:54.000 One thing I will mention is that the most common opposition was reform, and we can see that from some of the polling.

00:20:00.540 About half the time a flag was flying in someone's garden, it would be a reform or restore supporter, one of the two.

00:20:08.820 and usually they were very sympathetic and we had good conversations we didn't always I didn't

00:20:14.420 always convince them but I did convince quite a few to change their vote so it's that's quite

00:20:19.900 interesting because it means that amongst the people who actually are voting there's there's

00:20:24.840 not the same hostility as the sort of party political level would lead you to believe I mean

00:20:32.120 i think from a from a political perspective the people who vote reform are the ones who are going

00:20:39.160 to be most opposed to restore because they're fishing from the same pond yeah you kind of

00:20:45.240 expect that to be the case there to be more intense competition between the two these between

00:20:50.800 the two parties that's very true that doesn't necessarily have to be answered to the people

00:20:55.320 yes and in fact many people were were more than happy to listen to me and say oh that's really

00:21:00.500 interesting they learned quite a few things uh and the differences between the two parties so

00:21:05.480 even if they did go away and vote reform they're going to be more sympathetic which is a good

00:21:09.840 thing right it means that there's opportunity there for people to to switch their vote it's

00:21:16.220 funny even online the vast it seems to me the vast majority of meltdowns about restore come

00:21:21.880 from reform people not like lib dems or labor but it it's it's been quite refreshing actually to see

00:21:28.820 the vast gulf between the online world and the world on the doorstep. And it's been very good

00:21:35.400 for me as a commentator, I think, to just talk to lots and lots of normal people because it's given

00:21:40.460 me, you know, I already knew that people were very different in real life to online more so than

00:21:45.660 perhaps some people, but it's another thing to experience it. And, you know, thousands of people

00:21:52.860 as well. And I'm going to quick, I know I'm running over time a little bit. We're going to quickly

00:21:55.780 fire through some of the issues that were brought up because there were some interesting things

00:21:59.000 there are obviously the bread and butter issues of potholes bing collections and all that sort of

00:22:03.320 stuff that comes up in local elections there are also some specific local ones like close close to

00:22:09.200 the coast they're talking about sea defenses for erosion and things like that so that sort of stuff

00:22:14.720 is expected and it's sort of not party political whatsoever you know all parties want to solve

00:22:19.820 these things um i spoke to loads of people that were saying they don't trust the mainstream

00:22:25.160 politicians to keep their word. That was very common. And lots of people who said they weren't

00:22:29.740 voting gave that reason. Although the people who weren't voting were most sympathetic to Restore.

00:22:36.380 And we'll see some evidence for that. Lots of discussion about immigration, even though it's

00:22:40.880 a local election. Lots of older people were still fixated on the small boats. They didn't realize

00:22:45.980 that legal migration is actually, in many ways, a much bigger problem. And I heard the line,

00:22:52.480 I have no problem if they work hard. That one was trotted out quite often, which is, you know,

00:22:58.640 I can understand. But I explained that much of the data shows that many immigrant groups are never

00:23:04.160 net contributors. And that was a shock to them. They'd never heard that, pointed out that 71%

00:23:08.500 of Somalis in social housing in London, and so are not contributing. And they didn't realize

00:23:14.980 that the legal immigration system was letting people in that are actually damaging, because 0.94

00:23:21.680 it's all been fixated on illegal immigration which is a small drop in a big pond isn't it

00:23:27.000 I also pointed out to people that the Southport killer his parents came here legally and so it's 1.00

00:23:33.540 not a perfect system Romanians in particular came up as a problem group but they always made the

00:23:39.040 distinction between the normal working ones and what they referred to as the gypsies and they're 0.98

00:23:44.960 saying that the normal ones normally work on the oil rigs and things and they've got proper

00:23:48.720 professional jobs and are contributing and actually most of the romanians we spoke to

00:23:52.960 were pro rupert low and it's like they love that guy i think you can tell the difference 0.57

00:23:58.380 yeah visibly on the street yeah well we had some toothless woman screaming and it sounded like

00:24:04.520 possessed by a demon in romanian while she was on a bicycle um just talking to herself and i i think

00:24:11.160 she might have been in the latter camp i'm just gonna give you a statistic because i know you

00:24:15.640 like stats. In Greece, gypsies are 1% of the population and they're responsible for around

00:24:21.500 80 to 85% of burglaries. Really? That's absolutely massive. Blimey. 1.00

00:24:27.000 Aren't Albanians and Romanians, certainly Albanians, per capita the biggest amount of foreign people

00:24:33.740 in our jails? That's right, yeah. That's interesting. Where I said sometimes you get women and boomers 0.77

00:24:41.300 that are ultra based sometimes it's also with immigrants as well if they're if they're not just 0.59

00:24:45.920 here for gibbs they are genuinely hard-working types sometimes they are super based aren't they 0.99

00:24:53.600 like a lot of the romanians we spoke to were just like yeah of course we're voting rupert don't be 1.00

00:24:58.360 stupid right right a bit of a surprise really but another thing is that the turkish barbers and the

00:25:03.480 vape shops came up on the door quite a lot actually um which um the council has announced 0.99

00:25:08.660 is one of the first things they're going to tackle.

00:25:10.680 And I was surprised that that came up as much as it did

00:25:12.740 because it was a story that was largely broke online

00:25:15.100 by people like us, actually.

00:25:17.300 I know Harry was talking about it many years ago

00:25:19.300 and it was adopted by the mainstream media.

00:25:21.100 And now it's on the doorstep, so to speak.

00:25:25.140 I did also canvas some non-human people as well. 0.96

00:25:30.260 I hope you didn't dress the horse up to... 0.99

00:25:33.040 No, it's wearing the colours there.

00:25:35.180 I'm not going to read that pun.

00:25:36.600 That's a reformed horse.

00:25:37.120 If you want to read it, yeah, if you want to read it, go ahead.

00:25:41.340 So it's worth mentioning as well that Restore really mopped up 46% to reforms, 20%, which is pretty good.

00:25:49.960 And you can see that the Conservatives lost seven and Labour lost two, which is interesting as well.

00:25:58.080 So there you go. There's a bit more of a detailed breakdown.

00:26:00.820 And it's also worth mentioning that the turnout.

00:26:02.520 So what I was saying about disillusioned voters who'd never voted or had become disillusioned with politics, the massive change in turnout can't be overlooked here.

00:26:13.980 And this is validated by my experience of talking to people, that people who were not engaged in politics came back to politics because of Great Yarmouth First and Restore Britain.

00:26:24.520 So that graph, the comparison between the red bar and the white bar there is 2021 and 2026.

00:26:31.800 it's massive difference in turnout in all of the uh i've been saying this for a while and until

00:26:36.400 these proper data points have come out it's just a sort of a hope really it seems to be true that

00:26:44.660 yeah when you look at the the turnout usually under 50 percent usually around 50 percent under

00:26:51.340 50 so there's half the people that are eligible to vote just simply don't they're that disenchanted

00:26:59.060 Well, if you can get even a third of those, half of those,

00:27:02.400 well, that's enough to swing a general election.

00:27:05.180 That's a giant section of people.

00:27:08.540 And I think that that's where Restore is going to do very well.

00:27:12.100 I'm going to quickly fire through some of the councillors

00:27:14.240 because it's just, I know we're pressed for time.

00:27:16.940 That's all right. Don't worry about it.

00:27:17.800 I can make my segment ready.

00:27:18.660 Okay. So those are the councillors that have won there.

00:27:22.260 I spoke to all of them quite a bit.

00:27:25.420 all great men all local all have success in business and they're not career politicians

00:27:30.780 which was great and I just want to talk about the sort of proof of concept for what this

00:27:37.540 local election can prove because sure you've got Great Yarmouth here and you've got these

00:27:42.280 sort of suburbs here and the more downtown area here but what people don't realize is that you've

00:27:48.720 got sort of places up here as well like I went to Ormsby and there's also California there by the

00:27:55.300 way um bet you didn't know that um i went to rollersby and and these little villages up here

00:28:01.440 as well um martham as well and you sort of get a little bit of a collage of all of britain here

00:28:08.260 you get the quaint little villages that you think you know typically might be more lib dem areas

00:28:13.580 didn't really go for them uh and as well as you've got the urban areas in great yarmouth itself here

00:28:19.460 quite dense terrace houses and then you've got sort of leafy suburbs down here and of course

00:28:26.840 they won them all right and we can can see the percentages so Steve here was in the urban areas 0.96

00:28:34.040 and I found that the most universal support was in deprived urban areas basically so that's why

00:28:39.120 he's got like 51% and reform and perhaps the greens got a little bit there but you've also

00:28:46.040 got Kevin here who it was a bit more urban here so you can see that the Greens and Labour picked

00:28:53.180 up some more support. It's the same with the suburbs as well the sort of urban areas in the

00:28:57.460 suburbs you get a little bit more of the Tories, the Greens and Labour although the Tories didn't

00:29:02.060 do very well there. Glenn he was recognised by a few people I was canvassing with he was in

00:29:08.080 quite some of the the leafier villages and you can see here that the Tories picked up more than

00:29:14.200 the others. But you can see that even there, 48% of the vote. So you have all of these different

00:29:21.160 environments normally treated very differently in elections. And although the second and third

00:29:26.880 place seems to change a little bit, it's sort of a proof that you can do well.

00:29:32.340 I like the fact that Labour is the last party there.

00:29:37.380 Here's Daniel's constituency. This is the one I actually canvassed on election day. So getting

00:29:43.060 people out to vote. On one small street of like 15 houses, I actually got about 10 confirmations

00:29:48.420 that they'd been out to vote for us, which was crazy. It was like 80% of the street had already

00:29:55.300 voted for us. Also, I know that one of his relatives is a big fan of the show. So hello,

00:30:00.920 Josh, good name. Bet you didn't expect that. But you can see here as well, the Greens, the Tories

00:30:06.260 and Labour are about 10% here. Here's Michael. Again, Tories did quite well. And then Tories

00:30:15.540 here again, and reform doing all right. But you get the gist.

00:30:19.800 The margins of victory are not close.

00:30:21.800 No, not at all. It's double the following.

00:30:24.380 It's a stonking win, really, statistically.

00:30:28.140 So Jason's constituency, I did some canvassing there. Quite rural, quite quaint, quite affluent

00:30:34.160 in lots of areas which is probably why the Tories did relatively well there but as you can see like

00:30:40.740 the Lib Dems only 3% reform still only got 20% which is less than half of what Great Yama first

00:30:48.880 got even here this was quite an urban constituency you can see the Greens did okay they were parallel

00:30:55.260 there with reform and Labour did better than the Tories and Lib Dems but even so he got 48%

00:31:01.200 So in all of the different sort of areas of Britain, you know, suburban, urban, rural, there's some proof here that they did well.

00:31:10.120 And it sort of validates a lot of my experiences of speaking to people.

00:31:15.160 Barry here, again, there's a bit of a split here, but again, still resounding.

00:31:19.640 um and as rupert says here it's proved that you can decimate people in rural areas suburban areas

00:31:27.540 and and anywhere really even deprived areas as as he says and that's something that should be

00:31:34.100 a blueprint for the rest of the country hopefully sorry that really went on didn't it um do you want

00:31:41.180 to read the comments for the for this okay um i can't get the mouse there we go yes yes okay so

00:31:49.480 for team barber ah the dream team today we will win oh well thank you um fallen firebird our

00:31:56.180 enemies use radicalized to mean we are somehow being tricked in fact uh we are radicalized

00:32:00.560 righteously in response to evil and injustice of our age and a true love for our people and land

00:32:05.280 yeah lovely sentiment perfect i i uh very much like how you put that that's random name not once

00:32:10.540 in my lifetime has there been a single serious non-compromised patriotic party in power in any

00:32:15.980 western nation the bigger restore gets the more our enemies will grow desperate stay safe i think

00:32:22.000 we'll be okay for the makers field segment first branch meeting in wigan and lee today great timing

00:32:27.020 with the news yesterday well good luck um that's random name steleos is 100 correct about gypsies

00:32:34.600 uh they're the indians of india um uh some parts of downtown swindon remind me of every ghetto i've 0.75

00:32:41.940 seen in bulgaria except um less worse matthew c says going to naples for a week any recommendations 0.69

00:32:48.080 been to pompey herculaneum and the archaeological museum planning on visiting uh pastem is that

00:32:54.840 right in respect yeah okay of our greek brethren matthew is you're a maxing that's matthew i would

00:33:02.160 say go up vesuvius i've been to naples a couple of times pompey um yeah if you've already done

00:33:07.780 Pompeii and Herculaneum, you can go up Mount Vesuvius and sort of stand on the edge, look

00:33:13.300 down into the volcano. That was cool. I remember doing that. That was a cool memory.

00:33:18.100 I like the next one. Phictegeus says, Rupert Lonan, ignore the words of your enemies, vote

00:33:23.340 restore, and hear the lamentations of the left.

00:33:27.280 Sigilstone, I'm not reading.

00:33:29.880 Sigilstone, spicy.

00:33:31.500 It's not spicy, it's just you.

00:33:33.600 Oh, okay.

00:33:34.260 It made me laugh though, so well done.

00:33:36.300 Should we go to the second one?

00:33:37.780 yeah okay i know you want a fair bit of time still yes to is this mouse working oh yeah

00:33:42.660 um so i won't spend ages it's for all of us to talk because it's a subject that everyone wants

00:33:49.320 to talk about so okay okay where's where's my segment on here was it third oh it's third on

00:33:55.280 the document okay all right give me one one second there okay all right can you uh it is loading

00:34:01.520 myself oh there we go all right all right you ready are we ready i'm ready everyone's ready

00:34:05.660 all right okay so we need to talk a little bit about what's happened inside the Westminster

00:34:11.020 bubble over the last day 36 hours or so um with uh it's a burn or bust basically it looks like

00:34:19.140 the Labour Party everyone apart from perhaps with the exception of the far far left of the Labour

00:34:24.680 Party seems or and Starmer loyalists of course have decided it's burn or bust so what's happened

00:34:32.340 Let's go through that first and foremost, just a fact, just a fact.

00:34:35.920 You had Mr. Wesley Streeting and in his resignation,

00:34:40.160 but not trigger an actual, the leadership contest.

00:34:43.780 Because people were expecting that, weren't they?

00:34:45.280 Oh, yeah.

00:34:45.800 It should be one after the other immediately, or more or less.

00:34:48.500 Because, of course, he was one of the favourites to take over from Starmer

00:34:52.640 and holding, he was health secretary, wasn't he?

00:34:57.180 It was a relatively senior position.

00:34:59.100 so he was well positioned and people were sort of rallying behind him and he sort of

00:35:04.340 fluffed it a little bit oh yeah one of two things must have happened i.e either he couldn't get the

00:35:11.760 81 MPs to back him because they all of those 81 have to back that one person so either he

00:35:16.140 didn't have those numbers or there's been conversations about that it's Burnham or

00:35:23.560 nothing so just hold your horses wait to see if burnham can get in and then we'll go from there

00:35:29.980 one of those two things i think must have happened with restricting unless uh he does trigger it like

00:35:36.320 today or in the next few days that might still happen as well if he's got those 81 behind him

00:35:40.940 so that happened it's like the the fifth cabinet minister isn't he just phillips was one of the

00:35:46.000 other ones um so someone's just replacing them and continuing on trying to pretend nothing's

00:35:51.120 You can do it, Kier. Stay in.

00:35:52.660 Yeah.

00:35:53.380 Please.

00:35:54.040 We'll talk about, I think,

00:35:55.040 I think right at the end of the segment,

00:35:56.700 we'll talk about the overall what's best for anti-Labour people.

00:36:01.200 Is it best for Starmer to stay in or not?

00:36:04.640 What would ultimately be most ruinous for Labour at the ballot box in

00:36:08.720 2029, if there's not an election before then?

00:36:12.440 Well, we'll talk about that at the end.

00:36:14.140 Okay.

00:36:14.580 So the other thing is Angela the Fridge Rayner, Big Bird. 1.00

00:36:18.720 She got cleared of any wrongdoing

00:36:21.940 as far as the revenue and customs are concerned.

00:36:24.740 That was sort of remarkable timing for her, wasn't it?

00:36:27.900 She's ready for a comeback. 0.64

00:36:29.500 Yeah, she can now...

00:36:31.340 They said you certainly didn't do anything illegal

00:36:33.140 and, in fact, any error you might have made,

00:36:35.420 not paying 40 grand's worth of stamp duty,

00:36:37.440 was a good faith error on your part.

00:36:39.580 So she's just apparently completely cleared,

00:36:41.940 which means she's OK to launch a leadership bid

00:36:47.500 of her own if she wanted to but also at this stage as at the time of recording on the afternoon

00:36:53.200 of the 15th she hasn't done that either she's also in my opinion the sort of worst case scenario she 0.97

00:36:58.860 gets in because she's not only not that smart but also quite radically left-wing like some of the 1.00

00:37:05.980 things she was saying in her posts about politics is just insane to me she's super dumb listen to 1.00

00:37:14.320 her for five or ten seconds and you get the measure of the woman super super dumb but yeah 0.99

00:37:18.600 she's about about i would say some people might disagree with this analysis she's about as left 1.00

00:37:23.200 wing as andy burnham which is quite left they call her like the the soft left i don't i don't

00:37:28.300 consider it all that soft no not at all it's pretty left-wing i mean it's not full-blown

00:37:32.160 john mcdonald form communism but it's pretty damn left um so okay ed milliband had always said

00:37:42.560 that if a leadership election should have begun,

00:37:46.720 he would throw his hat in the ring.

00:37:48.000 But he also, again, at time of recording,

00:37:50.080 hasn't decided to pull the trigger on that either.

00:37:52.440 He's also had his time in the sun already.

00:37:54.480 He has, yeah.

00:37:55.140 Failed leader already, right? 0.90

00:37:56.820 He had to stab his own brother, David Miliband, 0.97

00:37:58.880 in the back for that one. 0.99

00:38:00.740 Good job.

00:38:01.440 Good job.

00:38:02.900 So, Keir Starmer's line, the party line,

00:38:07.080 is, you know, no former leadership election

00:38:09.840 has been triggered against me,

00:38:10.940 so i'm just going to carry on with the job of government and well technically literally that

00:38:15.360 is just true that is the case there hasn't been a leadership so what of the final the final of the

00:38:21.200 big beasts to mention andy burnham with his eyeliner is he wearing eyeliner does look a

00:38:28.540 little bit like isn't it i think i'm pretty sure he doesn't he's just got i've never noticed he's

00:38:34.960 He's got very thick lashes for a man.

00:38:38.360 Anyway, anyway.

00:38:40.360 Is that enough to condemn him already, is it?

00:38:42.560 Yeah.

00:38:43.000 I mean, he's pretty low T, isn't he?

00:38:45.800 He's in the Labour Party.

00:38:47.260 Pretty low T.

00:38:48.160 Yeah, he's a commie, so he's always a socialist.

00:38:50.220 So, of course he is, yeah. 0.81

00:38:51.260 Very weak.

00:38:52.360 Very weak on any metric you care to measure him on, of course.

00:38:56.800 Except on expropriating other people's property.

00:38:59.420 Oh, right, yeah.

00:39:00.080 Super high line on that.

00:39:01.040 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:39:01.480 Yeah, rinse the kulaks for every last penny they've got 1.00

00:39:05.300 Yeah, he'll be strong on that 1.00

00:39:07.080 So, okay, his route to power seems to have cleared a little bit in the last day or so

00:39:14.340 So first of all, he would have needed somebody to step aside in a Labour seat

00:39:18.100 Hopefully a safe Labour seat

00:39:19.620 That's a bit of an ask, but it's happened

00:39:23.020 It was that Josh Simmons, remember him? 1.00

00:39:26.160 Total, total scumbag 0.99

00:39:27.280 He was part of that Labour Together group 0.99

00:39:31.380 and he was in government, he was in Keir Starmer's government

00:39:35.260 but he had to be let go because that Labour Together group

00:39:39.580 was, I think, seen to have shown to have been basically

00:39:43.780 doing nefarious things like spying on journalists,

00:39:48.740 mainstream media journalists.

00:39:51.060 Keir Starmer had to sort of get rid of him because there was

00:39:53.680 Watergate.

00:39:54.300 There was an actual sort of scandal thing there

00:39:56.380 and Starmer had put him in charge of the whole ID card thing

00:40:00.600 so this Josh Simmons is

00:40:03.320 very tainted reputation

00:40:04.920 a revolting person

00:40:06.440 as far as I'm concerned 0.92

00:40:07.380 as far as anyone that thinks

00:40:09.340 the way we do is concerned

00:40:10.260 revolting

00:40:10.760 an enemy of the people

00:40:11.940 especially with the ID card thing 0.98

00:40:14.500 yeah yeah

00:40:14.980 that alone is unforgivable

00:40:16.320 not going to clutch any pearls

00:40:17.340 for mainstream journalists

00:40:18.300 but the ID card thing

00:40:19.480 is unforgivable

00:40:20.480 yeah right yeah

00:40:21.260 what you try to do there

00:40:23.000 it's like the thing

00:40:24.320 someone puts a gun

00:40:25.220 a loaded gun to your head 0.90

00:40:26.420 pulls the trigger 0.99

00:40:27.700 but the bullet in the chamber 0.88

00:40:28.900 happens to be a dud 0.96

00:40:29.800 and then they just walk away

00:40:31.180 oh nothing happened

00:40:32.000 you're fine

00:40:32.760 nothing happened

00:40:33.220 he's like no 0.88

00:40:33.560 you just tried to kill me

00:40:34.720 I'm not going to forget that

00:40:36.520 you just

00:40:36.920 it was just

00:40:38.260 luck

00:40:38.720 anyway

00:40:39.180 that Josh

00:40:40.060 anyway

00:40:40.300 he's decided to step down

00:40:41.600 and he

00:40:41.860 I think I said on the morning show

00:40:43.580 which was wrong

00:40:44.120 that he's a die hard

00:40:45.300 Andy Burnham man

00:40:46.520 he's not really

00:40:47.580 he's a die hard

00:40:48.500 Keir Starmer man

00:40:49.940 so it's a little bit surprising

00:40:51.300 that he decided to step down

00:40:52.460 anyway

00:40:52.800 he's in a place called

00:40:54.200 Makerfield

00:40:55.560 which is in

00:40:57.440 Wigan isn't it

00:40:58.240 the Wigan area

00:40:58.980 I believe so

00:40:59.780 so it's in the north

00:41:01.800 and of course

00:41:02.460 Andy Burnham

00:41:03.120 is self-styled

00:41:04.280 king of the north

00:41:05.160 isn't he

00:41:06.500 he's the king

00:41:07.440 of the north

00:41:08.000 I don't know

00:41:09.040 about that title

00:41:09.980 has he used

00:41:12.240 the term

00:41:12.660 to describe himself

00:41:13.860 I think

00:41:14.160 yeah

00:41:14.500 loads of people

00:41:14.960 say it about him

00:41:15.500 he's violating

00:41:16.040 Tywin Lannister's

00:41:17.620 principle

00:41:18.140 yeah

00:41:18.620 you don't say

00:41:20.420 you're the king

00:41:21.000 has he watched

00:41:21.620 Game of Thrones

00:41:22.220 it doesn't end well

00:41:22.960 does it

00:41:23.240 yeah

00:41:23.860 yeah being king

00:41:25.100 of the north

00:41:25.460 is a bit of a

00:41:25.900 poison chalice

00:41:26.560 isn't it

00:41:26.920 so okay

00:41:28.520 perhaps the big

00:41:29.620 it may be arguably, one of the biggest hurdles is that someone's got to step down for him.

00:41:32.980 Well, that's happened.

00:41:34.380 Just seems to have done it.

00:41:34.920 He formally did it.

00:41:35.900 We can see a copy of his resignation letter on Twitter or whatever or on the news.

00:41:40.760 So that's happened.

00:41:41.900 The next big hurdle for him, one of the hurdles I thought would be a truly sort of bitter one,

00:41:49.540 causing some sort of massive internal ripples inside the Labour Party,

00:41:54.340 is that for him to then be selected to stand in that seat,

00:41:58.720 The NEC, the National Executive Committee of the Labour Party,

00:42:02.100 the inner sanctum of the Labour Party,

00:42:04.900 because when the Gaunt and Denton thing came up,

00:42:06.780 it's not that long ago, was it, Gaunt and Denton?

00:42:08.780 No.

00:42:09.040 Not that long ago.

00:42:09.640 At that point, he was prevented from standing almost unanimously, I believe.

00:42:15.500 I think one or two people abstained and the rest,

00:42:18.340 or one or two people maybe even voted for him,

00:42:21.280 but the majority, like nearly all of them, said they blocked him.

00:42:24.540 It's entirely possible, considering that they got, you know, rinsed by the Greens in that election, as well as the fact that they've had a quite disappointing council election.

00:42:33.900 Although you could argue that they could have done worse, actually.

00:42:37.740 You know, I mean, they lost lots and lots of seats, but it could have been worse given their popularity, I suppose.

00:42:43.260 It could have been worse. It's still pretty bad. It's still seismically bad, though.

00:42:47.140 Losing control in Wales, for example.

00:42:49.720 Once in a century level defeat. Once a century.

00:42:53.700 Okay, so, or in their all-time, the whole history of the Labour Party,

00:42:57.500 unprecedented level of defeat there, for example.

00:43:00.880 But to be fair, they deserve a lot worse,

00:43:03.280 and were their popularity a metric of their electoral chances,

00:43:08.500 they did pretty well.

00:43:10.360 Yeah, well, I suppose you can make that.

00:43:13.040 I'm not trying to defend them.

00:43:14.120 No, no, I get it.

00:43:14.900 No, no, I get it.

00:43:15.520 Yeah, keep these things in perspective, absolutely.

00:43:17.440 So I thought it was going to be,

00:43:18.900 some sort of civil war inside the upper echelons of the Labour Party

00:43:24.260 over letting him be selected at all to stand in the now by-election

00:43:28.940 for Makerfield.

00:43:29.600 No.

00:43:30.760 They've come out and said, Keir Starmer himself has come out and said,

00:43:34.580 we won't stand in his way.

00:43:36.880 So he will be selected for it then.

00:43:40.120 So, OK, two massive hurdles.

00:43:43.020 Mr Burnham has got over them.

00:43:45.980 Next one then is, will he win that by-election?

00:43:51.380 Okay, now that truly is a question mark.

00:43:56.880 So Gorton and Denton had a majority, the guy that was there,

00:44:00.460 he had a majority of something in the order of 13,000,

00:44:03.620 which is pretty safe.

00:44:04.860 I wouldn't call it a safe seat.

00:44:06.800 I would call it something like 18, 20, 20-plus thousand.

00:44:10.040 That's a safe seat.

00:44:11.860 13 is pretty safe, though.

00:44:13.540 In my home constituency where I grew up of south-west Devon,

00:44:17.960 the Conservatives would win by a margin of 35,000 votes.

00:44:22.040 That's a safe seat.

00:44:23.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:23.960 In Rumpford, where I grew up for a lot, or near Rumpford,

00:44:26.600 or Hornchurch really, but anyway, Rumpford,

00:44:28.140 Andrew Rosendale was a safe seat for years and years and years.

00:44:30.880 He'd quite often enjoy 20-odd thousand.

00:44:33.560 That's a safe seat.

00:44:34.580 That's a safe seat.

00:44:35.160 You can take that to the bank.

00:44:36.660 Okay, but 13,000 is not to be sniffed at.

00:44:39.460 No.

00:44:39.620 That's absolutely not to be sniffed at.

00:44:40.780 If it's not a safe seat, it's pretty close.

00:44:43.540 Well, Gordon and Denton, Labour came third, didn't they?

00:44:47.840 Even Matt Goodwin was able to beat them. 1.00

00:44:51.560 Some silly woman for the Greens was able to beat them. 0.98

00:44:55.960 That's 13,000. 0.98

00:44:56.820 Well, this seat, Makerfield, Josh Simon's seat, 5,000.

00:45:01.680 5,300 odd was his majority.

00:45:06.540 They basically need to rely on Burnham's name factor.

00:45:10.240 that's all that they can rest on

00:45:12.500 because the Labour Party, Rosette,

00:45:14.740 alone is not enough to carry him across

00:45:16.620 the line. And I think that also

00:45:18.660 because it's a by-election,

00:45:20.560 because there are lots of parties looking to

00:45:22.620 prove themselves leading up to

00:45:24.440 29, there are going to be lots of big names

00:45:26.560 thrown in the ring, I think,

00:45:28.160 in this by-election. And I think that

00:45:30.560 there are lots of people they want to get in.

00:45:32.860 I think reform are going to try and field

00:45:34.680 a big name.

00:45:36.040 It would be wise for them

00:45:38.640 to do so.

00:45:40.240 I don't know what the Lib Dems would do,

00:45:42.540 but maybe they're not in the running,

00:45:44.160 so it doesn't matter so much.

00:45:46.200 It'll be interesting to see, actually,

00:45:48.140 who's going to emerge as the contenders for this seat.

00:45:51.640 So I'd be very surprised if it wasn't Burnham at this rate.

00:45:55.200 Well, at the local elections,

00:45:58.000 that whole area went to reform across the board without exception.

00:46:03.320 Okay.

00:46:04.000 It's thought of as, historically, Labour, a Labour place.

00:46:06.720 So we saw a lot of

00:46:09.360 Loads and loads of council seats

00:46:11.220 Flipping from Labour straight to reform

00:46:13.500 Some going to Lib Dems

00:46:15.120 A few going green

00:46:15.880 But in this area anyway

00:46:17.700 Completely across the board

00:46:20.000 Labour to reform

00:46:21.660 Okay, question

00:46:23.340 If he loses in the area

00:46:25.140 Can he lead Labour?

00:46:26.840 No, absolutely not

00:46:28.480 It's their internal rules

00:46:29.860 That you have to be an MP

00:46:31.300 Unless he gets appointed to the Lords

00:46:35.080 and even then

00:46:37.600 it's a little bit

00:46:38.260 questionable isn't it

00:46:39.060 yeah

00:46:39.400 and so also

00:46:41.300 one quick thing

00:46:42.320 almost an aside

00:46:43.360 he has to resign

00:46:44.660 as Mayor of Manchester

00:46:45.860 to do this

00:46:46.540 you can't be Mayor of Manchester

00:46:47.720 and an MP

00:46:48.360 you can't

00:46:48.740 you have to resign that

00:46:49.900 which means

00:46:51.360 there'll be an election

00:46:52.040 for that as well

00:46:52.960 that may well

00:46:54.940 just be retained

00:46:55.920 by Labour

00:46:56.680 because it's Manchester

00:46:58.160 and historically

00:46:59.280 it's so

00:46:59.860 safe for Labour

00:47:01.240 but we'll see about that

00:47:02.120 that will be up for grabs

00:47:02.940 as well

00:47:03.220 but in the seat

00:47:04.340 in Makerfield, the parliamentary constituency

00:47:08.100 of Makerfield, yet it's going to be

00:47:11.180 a fascinating battlefield, battleground,

00:47:14.260 politically, of course.

00:47:16.020 Let's keep it clean. 0.94

00:47:18.180 Nia just said they're going to throw

00:47:20.260 the kitchen sink at it, or I'm paraphrasing,

00:47:22.100 he said they're going to throw everything at it,

00:47:23.620 I think he said.

00:47:24.320 That's a quote.

00:47:25.360 And why not?

00:47:26.720 Yeah, it makes perfect sense for reform

00:47:28.360 to contest.

00:47:28.420 Absolutely, why not?

00:47:29.840 They've just swept across it in the locals.

00:47:32.000 even though they came second in Goulton Denton

00:47:37.160 they beat Labour handily there

00:47:39.340 there's no reason why they couldn't win it realistically

00:47:43.480 and as you said what it boils down to really isn't it

00:47:46.620 is that the Burnham camp and the Labour Party

00:47:49.280 everyone in the Labour Party that's pro-Burnham

00:47:51.820 they're relying heavily on him personally

00:47:57.440 the people in Makerfield

00:47:59.480 the good people of Makerfield

00:48:00.640 just love Andy Burnham and just want Burnham?

00:48:05.180 And of course, a very likely outcome is that he resigns

00:48:09.860 as the mayor of Manchester and then loses the seat

00:48:13.660 and then he's got no position and reform then have an opportunity

00:48:18.480 to take the mayor of Manchester.

00:48:21.260 As well, right, as well.

00:48:22.160 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:22.840 That would be hilarious.

00:48:24.380 It's entirely possible and it's actually a big risk on his part.

00:48:27.920 Oh, yeah, it is.

00:48:29.260 He's throwing the chips higher.

00:48:30.640 for sure it's a risk it's a gamble yeah yeah it always is yeah well we had a friendly bet

00:48:37.320 two days ago about Starmer so do you think that Starmer is going to leave and Burnham is going to

00:48:45.080 try and lead Labour okay so let's just assume okay good question so let's assume that Andy

00:48:50.600 Burnham's name recognition and just a shit love for him in the greater Manchester Wigan area

00:48:55.320 is such that he's able to win Makerfield.

00:48:58.400 Let's just say.

00:48:59.300 That also isn't improbable.

00:49:02.220 It could totally happen.

00:49:03.580 Let's say he does that.

00:49:04.420 So he's now an MP.

00:49:06.520 Then the likes of Ed Miliband and Angela Rayner

00:49:13.620 trigger a leadership election,

00:49:15.680 and they all sort of more or less stand aside

00:49:18.500 and get behind Burnham.

00:49:20.120 So it's a Burnham-Starma standoff.

00:49:24.160 so your question is what would happen then yeah again don't know it looks pretty balanced to me

00:49:30.500 i would probably put my money on burnham at that point because even though starmer does still

00:49:35.680 definitely definitely does still enjoy a lot of support within the parliamentary labour party a

00:49:39.540 big chunk are pro-starmer people like maybe a quarter maybe more actually um when it comes down

00:49:46.440 to it the membership labour party membership normal members will get a say and unions

00:49:51.620 they've always been more left so it's going to be more burnham isn't it much more burnham

00:49:58.420 burnham's much more popular in the membership labour party membership than starmer much more

00:50:02.640 so if it comes down to that i i will put i will put my tenner on uh andy and his eye makeup that

00:50:10.880 he wears no i don't know if he does i think he doesn't um okay well so that's where we are at

00:50:16.720 the moment the the path is sort of beginning to clear for burnham to have a shot it all it all

00:50:22.280 hinges on the good people of makerfield what they decide to do i mean it'll be an interesting night

00:50:29.440 it'll be an interesting result to watch we'll all be watching it won't we watching that count

00:50:34.120 listening out for the result of that if he loses fandy burnham loses he's so funny he's just he'll

00:50:40.560 find himself just a normal private citizen at that point he hasn't got any office anymore

00:50:44.000 his political career is over really

00:50:46.560 I would have thought

00:50:47.220 completely over

00:50:48.500 parachuted in somewhere else maybe

00:50:50.340 unless they make him a lord

00:50:51.480 or something odd

00:50:52.360 something strange

00:50:53.020 but yeah

00:50:55.060 because Labour are sure to lose

00:50:57.060 whoever it is

00:50:58.240 are sure to lose

00:50:59.060 at the next general election

00:51:00.520 if it's in 2029 or before

00:51:02.340 so Mr Burnham will be done

00:51:06.080 at that point if he loses

00:51:07.040 so fingers crossed he loses

00:51:08.800 oh one last thing then

00:51:09.520 one last point to make

00:51:10.380 and talk about real quick

00:51:11.740 because I never want to get on

00:51:12.520 with your second status

00:51:13.240 it's okay it's okay you can finish one final point is looking at it from the point of view

00:51:20.980 of everyone who isn't a labor voter a labor partisan is it best to would we ideally like

00:51:29.240 to see starmer continue through to 2029 that is the best for us that means the biggest collapse

00:51:38.040 of Labour

00:51:39.020 or

00:51:40.220 and I would make the argument

00:51:41.340 not strongly

00:51:42.280 I think it's 50-50

00:51:43.260 who knows

00:51:43.800 that

00:51:44.620 the combination of

00:51:46.700 changing the leader

00:51:47.680 mid-parliament

00:51:48.680 people hate that

00:51:50.660 hate it

00:51:51.600 the normal people 0.74

00:51:52.820 the normal normies

00:51:53.480 they hate it

00:51:54.800 when governments do that

00:51:55.900 and then

00:51:56.500 especially after the Tories

00:51:57.400 doing it multiple times

00:51:59.160 every couple of years 0.53

00:52:00.660 well it is a piss take

00:52:01.640 isn't it

00:52:02.040 simple as that

00:52:02.560 we didn't vote for you

00:52:03.440 dude

00:52:03.960 whoever you are

00:52:04.580 might have given your party

00:52:05.860 a mandate

00:52:06.140 but we didn't vote for you

00:52:07.080 yeah

00:52:07.620 So people hate that, and then there's no guarantee.

00:52:11.240 Why not say it's Burnham or whether it's Ed Miliband or West Streeting

00:52:14.220 that they just continue that trend, that sort of hated trend

00:52:17.920 of what they're doing, their agenda one way or another?

00:52:20.840 And if it's a bit further to the left, an Andy Burnham government,

00:52:24.900 further to the left than Starmer, who's not to say that that doesn't,

00:52:28.380 the net result of that isn't an even worse result on general election night?

00:52:34.520 There's certainly a, sorry, Stelios.

00:52:36.020 No, I just want to say that I think you're correct. And Starmer is incredibly bad. I think if he stays, I think he will stay for a long time. He is going to do irreparable damage to Labour. But the image of many Labour leaders just changing is creating an even better image for people on the right. Because like saying, none of you have it has it together.

00:53:00.620 well there are two different perspectives on this i think i think on the one hand starmer carrying on

00:53:06.140 and running the party into the ground is a sort of surefire thing right but also another thing is

00:53:11.940 i think that but things are so far along that even if burnham did take over it's too late for

00:53:17.120 him to to win in 29 and so him basically becoming a leader and then leading the party into an

00:53:22.740 electoral defeat might scupper his chances in the future and then who would be the next leader of

00:53:29.000 labor well you know there's no clear front runner there is there is it going to be angela rayner i

00:53:34.240 don't think the country's going to get behind her person who even cares at that point as long as

00:53:38.480 they're out of power ideally not even the opposition that would be nice wouldn't it um i think that's

00:53:43.920 actually likely to be honest i mean 29 yeah we'll see we'll see okay all right right we have here

00:53:51.480 cute queen eight very smart suit bow oh is is this to commemorate the and celebrate the hundred years

00:54:01.800 the hundred uh episodes of breakfast with bow oh no no that was the other week wasn't it okay yeah

00:54:08.180 oh thanks i'm glad you dig the threads good okay samson when we load the third segment could we

00:54:15.960 also add the link i sent you the third i sent you on the on on samson great okay we we don't we

00:54:26.200 won't start yet right so for our audience just to say before this one go on youtube um we did a

00:54:33.300 segment two three days ago but after we did the segment there were many more statements by nolan

00:54:42.840 and I think we need to talk about them a bit more.

00:54:47.520 And we are going to have fun

00:54:48.940 and we are also going to talk about

00:54:50.680 why they're doing this.

00:54:53.760 Okay.

00:54:54.780 Yeah, that's it.

00:54:56.280 Thanks.

00:54:58.040 And also I want to hear from Bo and Josh

00:55:00.520 who really want to talk about this subject as well.

00:55:02.880 So let's talk about it.

00:55:04.560 Right.

00:55:04.840 So Christopher Nolan is making new statements

00:55:08.280 about his movie, The Odyssey,

00:55:10.060 that is going to be released this July.

00:55:11.860 and every new statement is a new embarrassment. 1.00

00:55:15.100 Here we have Paige playing Achilles. 0.99

00:55:18.840 I'm mindful of YouTube.

00:55:21.240 Rumor has it that Paige is going to star as Achilles

00:55:24.620 in a scene where Odysseus goes to the underworld.

00:55:27.940 At this point, many people think it's a rumor,

00:55:31.920 but there is another thing that Odysseus goes to the underworld

00:55:36.020 and talks to the spirits of several people, Achilles as well as his mother.

00:55:40.760 i don't think that hollywood would cast page to play achilles's mother probably looks like

00:55:48.060 page is playing achilles and there's there are several problems with that achilles was blonde

00:55:54.380 is that it uh for the sake of youtube i think that's all that can be said isn't it yes also

00:56:00.520 you know travis scott the rapper chris finolan said that uh he cast black rapper travis scott

00:56:09.340 in the odyssey because he wanted to nod towards the idea that this story has been handed down as 0.62

00:56:15.820 oral poetry which is analogous to rap that is the the dumbest thing i think that's a stretch isn't 0.82

00:56:23.400 it i i feel like i need to just get a brick and bash it into my head to get that information out 0.90

00:56:28.960 of it why why i don't know that also you know isn't homer like a rapper

00:56:35.340 it was in his toga with a big gold chain right so the hoods there's something here i would

00:56:44.440 have uh from dmx i'm i'm reading the lyrics and i i'm reminded of the rampage of achilles in the

00:56:52.080 in the iliad says once it's on i come through guns is drawn blam blam lungs is gone sons will

00:56:58.060 mourn from dusk till dawn nighttime belongs to the dog on the straight paths past midnight look

00:57:03.340 in the morgue won't play with these cats because i ain't got nothing to say to these cats for all

00:57:09.420 the mothers that really do love them please pray for these cats i can't continue there you see why

00:57:14.520 that's a minefield but don't you read this and doesn't it remind you of achilles's rampage

00:57:21.900 if you just change guns with sword they're basically the same thing they're just the

00:57:27.320 same thing i read homer what i think of is you know african-american hip-hop that's what i think

00:57:32.880 Does DMX compose his lyrics in Hexameter?

00:57:38.160 And here we have Odysseus trying to return to the hood, and we have also Zendaya being

00:57:45.260 cast as Athena.

00:57:46.620 Why did they film that on a British beach as well?

00:57:51.120 I've been to many Greek beaches and they weren't this horrible.

00:57:55.760 Like they're all nice and sandy and it's nice and crystal blue.

00:57:58.120 That's more like an Italian beach in the Adriatic somewhere.

00:58:01.560 He's starting trouble there

00:58:03.520 Yeah, so Zendaya also was cast to play Athena

00:58:09.000 The great goddess of wisdom and war

00:58:12.040 She's an interesting mix

00:58:14.060 But does this look like a smart choice? 0.99

00:58:19.520 No, no

00:58:20.520 I can't believe how bad this film is looking

00:58:24.320 It's like the things we would say as a joke

00:58:28.560 Like Tanker film

00:58:29.900 like at least in June with Zendaya

00:58:32.820 at least you know it's sort of the Fremen

00:58:35.080 and you can sort of justify it a little bit

00:58:37.480 they're sort of desert-y so maybe it could work

00:58:39.740 but here you know it's a Greek mythological story

00:58:43.480 there's not really any space

00:58:45.360 she could sort of work as Cheney in June 0.85

00:58:48.080 because the Fremen are supposed to be desert people aren't they

00:58:51.040 yeah

00:58:51.380 so you can sort of stretch but not Athena

00:58:54.440 I mean, I love the Iliad and the Odyssey

00:59:00.600 I had to do them, study them at A-level

00:59:02.840 And since then, I've also re-read them

00:59:06.200 And listened to them on audiobook

00:59:08.060 I mean, The Lotus Eaters itself is a reference to

00:59:11.320 One of the isles that Odysseus and his men go to

00:59:14.120 In the Odyssey

00:59:15.560 I said it on The Breakfast Show

00:59:18.300 So apologies if you've already seen that

00:59:20.020 And I'm repeating myself

00:59:20.840 But more people watch this

00:59:22.360 So I'll say it again

00:59:22.940 um there's um it should be it used to be a cornerstone of a first-class education

00:59:29.760 that you were familiar with homer with the iliad and the odyssey and the references to it in art

00:59:36.220 history and on and on and on okay it's it's it's part of the canon of western uh literary history 0.96

00:59:43.500 it's it's extremely important it matters if you subvert it and pervert it and make a transgender

00:59:50.240 gender girl achilles and that matters to me say oh they're all fictional oh what's what's wrong if

00:59:57.320 you make helen of troy a black woman it's just a fictional character anyway why are you worrying

01:00:01.220 about it bro why are you being such a bigot about it well it does matter well it does matter it's

01:00:04.720 one of the earliest foundational texts of the western canon it is one of the most important

01:00:09.460 texts and basically you know if you were to do the top 100 most important texts in all of human

01:00:15.820 history if it wasn't there i'd be surprised depending on how you translate it helen is

01:00:20.260 described as white armed or something isn't she i do have plenty of things to show you there but

01:00:25.900 we already shown um elliot page as achilles right achilles is supposed to be

01:00:33.780 uh one of the most violent badass men in the world yeah right gods are afraid to fight him

01:00:44.540 diomedes who wounds aries the god of war wouldn't dream of challenging achilles that's how badass he

01:00:52.820 is giant men who stomp around the battlefield slaying everything in their path are terrified

01:00:58.540 of achilles that's how badass he's supposed to be he's supposed to be he's supposed to be

01:01:02.980 he's supposed to be physically terrifying and intimidating

01:01:06.300 so elliot page you're going to give us elliot page as that why why is it so subversive it's

01:01:13.600 very subversive. And I want to talk here about The View, which is just propaganda. They're saying

01:01:18.100 here, if you think Helen of Troy cannot be black, you don't know history. And she says Greek culture

01:01:24.880 comes from Africans. No, it doesn't. No, I mean, it doesn't. But also one thing to say, also Lupita

01:01:30.960 Nyong'o is cast to play Helen of Troy. And one thing is that you can actually read the text

01:01:39.920 here in Homer. I just write this, and you can actually read the original. Homer is describing

01:01:47.680 Athena as a glavkopis, which is bright-eyed, Hera as white-armed, then, that's in the very

01:01:57.800 beginning. Then he's describing Achilles as having blonde hair, Hera again as having white arms,

01:02:05.420 and then he's using the same adjective to talk about Helen.

01:02:09.120 He's talking about Helen with white arms.

01:02:11.560 Now, when it comes...

01:02:12.620 Can I say just real quick?

01:02:13.660 Of course, yes.

01:02:14.200 Some people, if you go on Twitter, like weird, subversive freak people,

01:02:19.620 you'll say to them on Twitter, in the original text it says white arms.

01:02:24.000 They're like, no, you can translate that a number of different ways.

01:02:26.620 You need to learn your Greek.

01:02:28.000 You don't translate that.

01:02:29.300 But you are a native Greek speaker.

01:02:32.000 you can read ancient greek as well because homer wrote in a different different dialect to modern

01:02:36.160 greek ancient greek and modern greek are different but you also know ancient greek at least enough

01:02:40.800 yeah that's not categorically tell people you don't even says white armed yeah you don't even

01:02:46.320 have to know ancient greek lefko in modern greek is white it's just you don't even have to know

01:02:52.960 ancient greek and speaking of that i had someone replying to me yes it is absolutely consistent

01:02:59.760 with Homer, along with the rest of Greek poetry, he used colors for moral and status indicators,

01:03:06.680 not for actual skin indicators. That's, if you track the implications, that's even worse than

01:03:14.200 you think. That's even, whatever you think about what I'm saying, what you said here is even worse.

01:03:23.620 And also, I'm just tired of this. It's just all of that scope. And what I want to say here,

01:03:29.160 So first of all, Robert Fagles, I have here, is an actual translator, is not an activist

01:03:35.280 propagandist.

01:03:36.300 He had no trouble translating this.

01:03:39.020 He mentions goddess Hera as white-armed, Achilles as having fiery hair.

01:03:45.100 He's making it more of a ginger here.

01:03:48.560 Athena, goddess, as gray-eyed.

01:03:50.720 And interesting, I saw this also in Emily Wilson's text, which is the text that Christopher

01:03:57.620 Nolan is basing his adaptation on. And one thing here is because, again, they're constantly talking

01:04:07.340 about race swapping. Race swapping always goes one way. It's incredibly tiring. And it's one 0.53

01:04:13.060 thing to try and highlight things that haven't been talked about much and quite another to change

01:04:19.140 the original material. And I have something to tell to the people who want to do race swapping

01:04:25.800 in Hollywood. You can absolutely talk about black people in ancient Greek lore. You can talk,

01:04:31.720 for instance, about Memnon, the king of Ethiopia. He also fights Achilles-like Hector, and he was

01:04:38.780 presented in no less heroic terms than Hector. So you can actually do work and present things.

01:04:46.500 You can do actual representation of what happened and see that, no, your whole woke

01:04:53.880 progressivist activism activist angle on it is pure BS um Nolan could just if he wanted to make

01:05:03.840 it about representation he could have Odysseus talk to the ghost of Memnon he could make a movie

01:05:11.420 about Memnon fighting Achilles yeah but that's not what they want to do right but I mean he could

01:05:17.480 also just if he wants to make it about representation why doesn't he cover a story about

01:05:21.600 you know you know some event in africa why choose greece yeah also but if you know they don't they

01:05:30.100 don't have even that argument here i have this page in greek mythology memnon was a king of

01:05:35.980 ethiopia during the trojan war he brought an army to troy's defense and killed nestor's son and then

01:05:42.420 And he fought Achilles and blah, blah, blah.

01:05:45.120 So if they wanted to pay tribute to the epic and fulfill all the diversity quotas that Hollywood is forcing upon them, they could actually do it.

01:06:00.640 Yeah, they don't need to do this.

01:06:03.060 They could tell a story of when, I think, again, Ethiopian people invaded ancient Egypt, deep in antiquity,

01:06:11.920 well, in the Middle Kingdom period or something.

01:06:14.160 And those people, I think, would have been sub-Saharan black people or Saharan fully black people.

01:06:21.840 Could tell a story about that if you really, really want to...

01:06:25.800 I'm not even averse to watching a story like that. It's interesting.

01:06:28.940 it's sort of an unexplored area of history but rather than actually portraying actual history

01:06:33.720 from that actual part of the world instead it's inserted into our history to race swap helen of

01:06:39.760 troya with a sub-saharan african woman there's no reason to do that that isn't um political yeah

01:06:48.960 that isn't malevolent is there there's no reason to do that unless you're trying to proactively 0.98

01:06:54.640 shit on white people and is there is there any other reason for it it's a very tiring 0.98

01:07:01.460 conversation here because we know history herodotus is describing the greeks especially 0.99

01:07:07.460 in contrast to others and he's saying exactly there were meds like we still are it's just yeah

01:07:14.140 uh let's show up in your your genetic profile wouldn't it if you know yeah so he's basically

01:07:19.920 describing them as dark-eyed whites. That's essentially how he does. Not as white as the

01:07:26.840 Scythians, who he portrays as very white and red-haired, but also not like Ethiopians.

01:07:33.520 And that wasn't any, that wasn't, that was just his description. By the way, he was a

01:07:40.160 major ethnographer, and Herodotus, obviously, and the father of history.

01:07:45.440 When you read Herodotus a lot of it is ethnography

01:07:48.420 These are what the people are like 0.52

01:07:50.260 This is what they look like

01:07:51.380 This is the tone of their skin, the colour of their eyes, their type of hair

01:07:54.300 How tall they are 1.00

01:07:55.180 This is this tribe, they were practising public fornication 0.99

01:07:58.180 This is how he constantly goes 0.99

01:08:00.140 Right, so here by Homer Pavlos

01:08:02.360 He says basically that it is

01:08:04.420 Truly mysterious how Nolan

01:08:05.860 Who insists on accuracy in the films

01:08:08.260 Chose the feminist Emily Wilson 1.00

01:08:10.640 Who actively supports cultural Marxism 0.65

01:08:13.020 And the woke agenda

01:08:13.860 and one of hers is one of the worst translations of homer's work as a guide to his new movie i

01:08:20.400 completely agree with i completely agree with you my friend and one thing to say is that one of the

01:08:26.780 first characterizations of odysseus is politropos which is basically um he was a man of the world

01:08:35.140 he was cunning he he had he knew he knew the ways of the world essentially he's basically

01:08:41.400 a well-rounded person is the the general gist of what it means and he could also think on his feet

01:08:47.080 you know as you'll see later in the one the main translation i always read or the the text i've

01:08:52.600 got that i've thumbed through many many times is um latimore is it latimore one of the more famous

01:08:58.180 ones yes and he always describes odysseus as cunning wily yeah uh pious yes pious odysseus

01:09:06.240 but cunning and wily yeah and yeah that's exactly how it is and it isn't just an issue of translation

01:09:13.380 it's an issue of how all this is integrated in the wider greek lore and what they're doing here is

01:09:21.200 contrary to what nolan is saying that the messages defy the gods is the exact opposite

01:09:26.340 he is trying to actually be an instrument of divine justice and zeus is representing the mass

01:09:34.660 a combination of power, supreme power, and supreme cunning. That's what is the Greek law.

01:09:42.280 Right. And one thing is that she translated this as complicated. He was a complicated man.

01:09:49.080 He had many sides. He had a feminine side. He needed to decompress. He needed to drink some

01:09:55.140 wine with his friends and talk about how busy his work is and how his boss with an attitude,

01:10:01.640 with big nails and an attitude was trying to cause fuss for him.

01:10:09.460 Yeah, but that's not the epic.

01:10:10.760 So he's a modern disaffected office worker?

01:10:13.820 Yes.

01:10:14.640 Ah, yes.

01:10:15.520 Yes, and maybe he had some issues with his gender

01:10:19.680 and because that was it, he couldn't exactly be clear with who he was

01:10:25.120 and that's a metaphor for homecoming because he hadn't exactly understood

01:10:30.200 who he was.

01:10:30.940 No, it's about a war of veteran coming home.

01:10:33.440 Yeah.

01:10:33.800 I must say, I'll just quickly say, I can't read ancient Greek.

01:10:38.360 I had to do a 101 when I went to uni.

01:10:41.820 I didn't go to public school, so I had no Greek. 1.00

01:10:44.380 Even in the first year at uni, they made you do effectively 1.00

01:10:47.500 like a GCSE year seven course, just so you've got the tiniest

01:10:51.620 grounding in it.

01:10:52.600 But to all intents and purposes, I can't read ancient Greek.

01:10:55.140 I've only ever read the Odyssey in translation.

01:10:57.260 however in translation there's nothing of that in there yeah nothing of that at all he's trying to

01:11:03.700 get home to his wife yes it's pretty much as simple as that and not only this he's trying to

01:11:08.620 get home to his wife and he tries to find his place in the world and he is faced with a dilemma

01:11:14.760 do you want to be stay here in the island of calypso and be immortal and you're gonna forego

01:11:21.400 return returning home or do you want to try and get home and he chooses the latter

01:11:26.840 Because he's a human being, and that is the message for human wisdom.

01:11:32.540 But they could do so many things with it, and instead of trying to do this, they subverted a foundational epic for European civilization that they didn't have to.

01:11:44.520 If they cared about representation and all this stuff, they could actually go about and do it in different ways that would be faithful to the text. 0.55

01:11:53.560 And they just turned it into propaganda for 2026 US culture wars, just to stick it to the MAGA people. That's what they're doing. So yes, I have massive issues with it, because when we deal with history and when we read with foundational epics, we have to take them at their word.

01:12:15.380 This is what many times people are saying, that Westerners are reading Easterners through a Western lens, and they're not doing this on the Easterners' own terms.

01:12:30.480 They're not reading epics like the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, and all these on Eastern terms.

01:12:36.680 Right, okay, so why read now Homer, why read an ancient Greek text 0.99

01:12:44.740 through the lens of identity politics of 2026, stupid left versus MAGA? 0.99

01:12:53.260 Because it always only goes one way, doesn't it? 1.00

01:12:55.340 It always goes one way. 0.70

01:12:56.740 The ultimate agenda is that sort of whiteness is the problem. 0.65

01:13:03.980 Also, I was just going to say, most Hollywood writers as well 0.96

01:13:08.560 just don't have the chops to write anything other than their thinly disguised

01:13:12.320 either sexual or political fetishes.

01:13:15.080 They just can't do it.

01:13:16.900 They just insert themselves in it.

01:13:18.420 It's just like, oh, look, I've written myself in the story.

01:13:22.160 It's like, well, you're a bad writer then.

01:13:24.620 To do this is pretty evil because if you read a translation of The Odyssey,

01:13:30.240 Which isn't some sort of new modern 0.93

01:13:32.940 Translated by some feminist 1.00

01:13:34.940 With an axe to grind or something 1.00

01:13:36.720 If you read an older translation

01:13:38.240 The story is a pretty straightforward story

01:13:40.860 There's not that many

01:13:42.760 Genres of story to be honest

01:13:44.940 There's like a quest

01:13:46.200 There's a coming of age

01:13:47.660 These general stories

01:13:49.980 One of which is homecoming

01:13:51.660 That's a whole genre of story

01:13:54.160 The homecoming

01:13:55.260 Of which the Odyssey is

01:13:57.640 Perhaps the original

01:13:58.920 example par excellence all it is is a man trying to get home very wholesome really trying to get

01:14:05.760 home and there's barrier after barrier after barrier put in his way and then he overcomes

01:14:11.040 them and gets home it's a simple it's pretty much as simple as that yeah and so to do this with it

01:14:16.640 is disgusting isn't it it is absolutely disgusting it subverts one of one attacks that i mean

01:14:26.180 And some people hold to a very high esteem, and it's foundational for European civilization

01:14:33.580 and Greek civilization.

01:14:36.280 And here we have by Roman Helmet Guy, he is saying, Emily Wilson read the story about

01:14:42.260 a cyclops eating Odysseus' men and thought, wow, this monster is a non-white person. 0.95

01:14:48.840 People might get the idea that non-white people are savage. 0.99

01:14:51.600 I better not use the term savage. 0.94

01:14:53.880 That will reinforce colonialism.

01:14:55.560 And she says here, for example, the Odyssey is a poem that may seem to normalize the treatment of non-Western people as monsters.

01:15:04.080 I've made clear, especially in my version of the Polyphemus episode, that this is not entirely true.

01:15:10.500 The text allows for a certain amount of sympathy and even admiration for this non-Greek person. 0.82

01:15:17.300 What on earth are you on about? Why give credence to this? 1.00

01:15:20.720 unlike many modern translators i've avoided describing the cyclops with words such as savage 0.94

01:15:26.420 you complete moron yeah it's just like i can't believe these people actually walk amongst us and 0.99

01:15:33.720 you know you know at first glance you can't necessarily tell that underneath their skull 1.00

01:15:39.580 is a complete absence of a brain like what is going on here it's a cyclops it is a monster

01:15:47.780 and deliberately set up in the story to be so yeah yeah absolutely uh again i i've actually

01:15:55.320 read it a couple of times listened to it a couple more times polyphemus the uh the the cyclops is

01:16:01.360 absolutely supposed to be almost not quite two-dimensional but it's a straight up and down

01:16:07.300 straightforwardly a monstrous creature a monstrous character it's straightforwardly terrifying that's

01:16:14.440 whole point of it there's not there's not really there's not much more to it it's not to do with 0.88

01:16:19.120 being greek and non-greek and being to do with being what what's who's white and non-white it's

01:16:24.300 got nothing to do with colonialism nothing nothing nothing at all it's supposed to be a dangerous 0.90

01:16:29.860 monstrous thing that will eat men alive all it is is a vehicle something that will eat men alive

01:16:36.860 and it's a danger that you must overcome it's all that's all it is yeah nothing to do with

01:16:41.400 colonialism. And absolutely nothing to do with colonialism. And let's just

01:16:46.680 cut the long story short here. He's a demigod. He's the son of Poseidon. And what he did here 1.00

01:16:56.280 is absolutely crucial to the story. He violated the divine order of Zeus, which is be hospitable

01:17:03.640 to strangers. But unlike what modern progressives want to portray this as being, this goes both

01:17:11.920 ways. It isn't just love strangers and foreigners unconditionally. It's also hospitality must not

01:17:20.540 be abused. It's the suitors who abuse hospitality. And in the same way that he is violating this law,

01:17:29.120 the suitors are violating the same law as well both get divine comeuppance it's as simple as that

01:17:35.060 has nothing to do with colonialism and non-greek people the same thing it happens for polyphemus 0.56

01:17:42.200 who is a cyclops a demigod cyclops it happens to the greek ithacan suitors so for anyone who doesn't

01:17:49.360 know back home in ithaca this is his this is his home where he's uh he hasn't been there for 20

01:17:56.240 years there's like a hundred men that all want to marry his wife penelope yeah they're the suitors

01:18:01.260 yes and they're they're an example of where uh the guest has done something wrong yeah and and

01:18:08.000 they get their comeuppance is that is that we have this meme no no that's a meme here it says

01:18:12.040 it's racist to call a literal giant man-eating monster a savage yep right here we have a article

01:18:21.040 on time that said something really interesting about the sirens. It says, let me find it where

01:18:29.740 it is, that Odysseus was a complicated man and he had the issues and he performed an existential

01:18:39.940 crisis as the sirens psychoanalyzed him through song. So they were Freudian sirens, were they?

01:18:49.220 Yeah, they were psychoanaly... or Lacanian or something. The session would be fast.

01:18:56.500 The sirens look like your mother?

01:19:01.860 What does it mean? It's so anachronistic. They're not psychoanalyzing because

01:19:06.740 Freudian psychoanalysis didn't exist in ancient Greece.

01:19:09.940 Yeah, they're just monsters who are luring passengers, people who pass by,

01:19:15.940 and they're luring them with their song and they eat them they're not psychoanalysts are you trying

01:19:21.060 to tell us something about psychoanalysis is this a is this a deep criticism a symbolic criticism

01:19:27.940 of psychoanalysis as a structure of power yes isn't it rubbish it's very straightforward really

01:19:34.820 is that the right thing to do is to get home to your wife and kid that's the the right morally

01:19:42.980 correct thing to do and you're going to be tempted along the way with a number of different things

01:19:48.980 all sorts of different things will tempt you to abandon that quest yeah and the sirens are just

01:19:54.900 one of those yes that's all and he has to make the right decision to abandon that what they're

01:20:01.220 offering him and keep on going home to his wife and kid and uh it's nothing to do with psychoanalysis

01:20:07.820 Absolutely. And when it comes to the Lotus Eaters is that he is reminding his crew of their mission.

01:20:15.460 Just as simple as that. Here we have an article by Variety who thought that it was a smart move to berate the audience and talk down to the audience.

01:20:25.480 because this is what actually wokeness comes down to. 1.00

01:20:29.200 People just being stupid, demented freaks 1.00

01:20:33.540 trying to tell you that you're a bad person 1.00

01:20:36.520 and that you need to treat them preferentially.

01:20:39.160 The Odyssey, why Elon Musk and his troll army's attacks 0.94

01:20:42.880 aren't just silly, but wildly inaccurate. 0.83

01:20:45.400 Yeah, I showed you who is wildly inaccurate here. 0.57

01:20:47.660 And also just, Elon, just don't offend Apollo

01:20:52.000 if you want to be Agamemnon and we're going to be fine.

01:20:54.640 just out of interest

01:20:55.780 what was their

01:20:56.360 what were they even

01:20:57.180 trying to argue

01:20:57.980 was wildly inaccurate

01:20:58.900 what's wildly inaccurate

01:20:59.920 just what

01:21:02.360 that Helen is 1.00

01:21:04.080 white-armed

01:21:04.660 okay

01:21:05.120 alright

01:21:05.740 forget it

01:21:06.960 right so

01:21:07.960 here the Greek Times

01:21:08.980 are in particularly happy

01:21:10.100 they're saying

01:21:10.560 Nolan's Odyssey

01:21:11.280 problem 0.93

01:21:11.740 diversity without 1.00

01:21:12.700 Greeks is not diversity 1.00

01:21:14.280 just on a Greek epic

01:21:16.380 yeah

01:21:17.020 yeah

01:21:17.840 and I

01:21:18.680 I am making this

01:21:19.960 suggestion

01:21:21.000 we could have 0.99

01:21:21.780 Clelia

01:21:22.320 and Drio Latou 1.00

01:21:23.800 to play helen i think she'd make a good helen of troy that's a suggestion exactly what any normal

01:21:29.860 person would imagine helen of troy would look something like that yeah i i went back 20 years

01:21:36.480 ago that would be he would be cast probably right and here we have uh the academies the oscar from

01:21:43.520 oscars.org standards of representation and inclusion and uh you can read this article this

01:21:51.760 just shouldn't be here and they're saying here standard a on-screen representation themes and

01:21:58.440 narratives a film can achieve this standard by meeting the criteria in at least one of the

01:22:03.160 following areas lead or significant supporting actors from under-representing racial or ethnic

01:22:08.180 literally the first thing that they bring up also it's just a hunk of metal who cares about these 0.94

01:22:13.540 stupid awards like a good film is a work of art that stands the test of time no one's going to 0.94

01:22:19.320 care in 30 years that it won an oscar or not but it's also it's also not merit based in any shape 1.00

01:22:26.860 or form they aren't saying sorry white folks all of the available candidates were twinks

01:22:33.620 we need to cast someone like idris elba to play achilles that's not it they say page is going to

01:22:40.260 play achilles it's it's it's not merit based in any shape sense it's it's representation based

01:22:47.620 And one thing is that the more Hollywood approaches Netflix, the more there is no reason for people to go and watch movies because they can watch Netflix.

01:23:03.280 Right.

01:23:06.060 Cookie Boy 23 says Nolan should have modernized the story and made it about getting home from a night out in London.

01:23:13.620 Sigilstone 17.

01:23:15.860 Cyclopses could be here.

01:23:17.100 this is thought i hate cyclopses the cool air felt good in his chest with a ship you can go

01:23:23.700 anywhere good meme reference that's a random name i was told cyclopses eating men was because of

01:23:30.360 socioeconomic factors it just need it just needed more community centers yeah if only the cyclops

01:23:35.920 had like a ping pong table matthew c next you'll be telling me that um significant changeover is

01:23:42.220 a real thing yes fallen fiber fiber the film is subversive but something can be subverted to such

01:23:49.260 a mental degree that it transcends becoming a kind of anti-subversion that backfires and

01:23:55.520 inadvertently promotes the original material is hoping is hoping fingers crossed busted brian

01:24:01.960 further word coming down is that page is an achilles but a young soldier on the journey

01:24:06.980 who dies gruesomely in battle,

01:24:09.300 later being one of the multiple spirits

01:24:11.240 who speak with Odysseus in the underworld. 0.98

01:24:14.260 Well, that's something at least

01:24:15.420 because to have cast her as Achilles

01:24:17.260 would have been truly...

01:24:20.260 Yeah, anyway, so hopefully... 1.00

01:24:21.940 I'm sure she's got a few battle scars.

01:24:24.920 We have some of the videos, I see.

01:24:27.240 Yes, we've got quite a few to get through, haven't we?

01:24:29.620 Yep.

01:24:30.900 You want the cookie. 1.00

01:24:32.180 You want the cookie.

01:24:33.860 You want that cookie bit, don't you?

01:24:35.940 You want that cookie.

01:24:36.980 There you go, you love that cookie.

01:24:42.180 Good enrichment, though.

01:24:46.140 Yeah.

01:24:47.120 Nice. 0.73

01:24:47.720 Go to the next one.

01:24:49.120 It's cute.

01:24:50.780 It's Connor.

01:24:51.760 Clearly, America's military might has been spent

01:24:53.260 and they haven't been able to top the regime in a significant enough way.

01:24:55.120 It's because a large amount of people doing the revolutionary protests

01:24:57.180 in early January were Iraqi Kurds,

01:24:58.400 who were stateless people often backed by American and Israeli proxy movements. 0.96

01:25:00.860 No offence, but that's just IRGC bullshit.

01:25:02.980 The protests themselves had nothing to do with Israel or Iraqi Kurds. 0.93

01:25:05.220 They were largely a response to the collapse of the Iranian real and skyrocketing inflation.

01:25:08.380 They were driven by Iranians' anger over the economy, high prices and regime corruption.

01:25:12.060 The Iraqi Kurds plus Israel slash US funded it story is the standard Iranian regime propaganda they use every time there are protests.

01:25:17.920 While the US and Israel do support some Iranian opposition groups, including Kurds, there's no evidence they caused or funded these specific protests.

01:25:24.620 I want to say one thing here because this was also played when Conor was here.

01:25:30.400 I agree with both of you, but you're both having different discussions.

01:25:33.680 I do agree with you that, yeah, the IRGC and the Mullahs are not a good regime and they hate their people and they're massacring them.

01:25:42.400 But Conor's point was essentially a different point.

01:25:46.000 It was that if the current, this wouldn't be such an issue for the UK if the border policies had been different.

01:25:58.480 So you were engaging in different conversations.

01:26:02.760 I also didn't follow a word Connor said

01:26:05.200 because he already speaks very quickly

01:26:06.780 so speeding him up was just

01:26:08.320 No, I was here, but yeah, I mean, I do agree with you 1.00

01:26:11.240 it's a bullshit regime and an evil one 0.99

01:26:13.080 Let's go play the next one 1.00

01:26:14.600 You see, I dream of a world

01:26:23.080 where every one of my soldiers is paid

01:26:25.100 not in gold, because that belongs to me

01:26:27.220 but rather with a firm handshake

01:26:29.000 and a gentle kiss

01:26:30.120 Unfortunately, the labor unions don't share my vision.

01:26:33.080 He's one of the strongest units in the game.

01:26:35.000 Men want to be him, women want to be with him, and today, I am him.

01:26:39.000 The first thing I wanted to try was the trimmer, and let me tell you,

01:26:41.800 after testing this extensively, I can say with great confidence that it works very well.

01:26:49.160 What a weird video. Let's play the next one.

01:26:53.400 Wanna see my one?

01:26:54.200 we're not going to get out of it

01:26:57.920 if we don't

01:26:59.660 basically accept where we are

01:27:01.500 hunker down

01:27:03.260 do some hard work

01:27:05.060 lay some pipe

01:27:06.160 turns out not only do we have one baby

01:27:15.140 we've now got two

01:27:15.920 so twins are on the way

01:27:16.840 god help me

01:27:17.540 so I won't get much rest

01:27:18.720 oh yeah congratulations

01:27:22.720 yeah well done

01:27:23.580 I only heard the other day that it was actually twins

01:27:26.940 Blimey

01:27:28.380 Okay

01:27:29.400 Yeah, good luck 0.98

01:27:30.780 Hopefully if you get one's a boy and one's a girl 0.98

01:27:33.300 Then you've got your bases covered 0.94

01:27:35.760 You've got everything

01:27:37.460 You don't have to double up

01:27:38.680 Let's play the next one

01:27:40.740 So has anyone else noticed that Starmer's strategy for maintaining power

01:27:44.680 Where he says that he'll call a snap election if anyone tries to oust him

01:27:48.500 And thus emulate his own party

01:27:50.220 Is basically the same strategy as Paul Atreides

01:27:53.440 where when he takes over Arrakis,

01:27:55.780 the way he keeps the coalition from invading him

01:27:57.960 is saying that if they try,

01:28:00.300 he will destroy all of the spice

01:28:02.440 and thus make it impossible for the galaxy

01:28:05.120 to operate commercially,

01:28:07.180 thus maintaining his own power.

01:28:09.140 Something Starmer should consider for his own challengers

01:28:12.000 is how Paul Atreides compressed all of his opponents

01:28:14.560 into water for trying to betray him.

01:28:18.080 Awesome.

01:28:18.820 One thing to say is that the first unit

01:28:22.040 is just a 101 of realpolitik.

01:28:25.940 It's like you have two players and you're the emperor

01:28:28.880 and one is getting too strong

01:28:30.940 and you want to use the other one to sort of curb him a bit.

01:28:34.180 It's just, that's why, yeah.

01:28:35.720 It doesn't work out well for him in the end, does it?

01:28:37.760 It's a classic tactic as I would say,

01:28:39.060 but even mad, you know, mutually assured destruction.

01:28:45.400 Or even the idea that they build nukes so big

01:28:47.800 that they effectively become doomsday devices,

01:28:50.500 which they drew up plans to do, but decided not to. 0.97

01:28:53.920 It's like, just don't attack me because I'll kill everyone. 0.99

01:28:58.800 We'll just kill absolutely everyone. 0.99

01:29:02.200 It's a good disincentive. 0.99

01:29:03.780 It's a tactic, isn't it? 0.53

01:29:06.180 For our next lotus critter, we have our little runt mouse, Willow.

01:29:11.480 He is the runt of the litter and was so small we thought he was a girl,

01:29:16.280 so he was living with them for a while until we noticed something

01:29:18.760 wasn't quite right about him.

01:29:20.500 he was a naughty boy weren't you his favorite thing to do is examine

01:29:25.460 hands and look for treats that you might bring him

01:29:31.300 very cute you make me want to get a pet now yeah let's go the next one please

01:29:38.180 is that peter has eliminated all resistance

01:29:43.540 good good soon my plans will be fulfilled

01:29:50.500 StarMatorBotEXE has destroyed the Labour Party, the Conservatives, the Lib Dems, reform, leaving only the Greens and restore...

01:30:03.500 Is that Captain America's shield in the neck?

01:30:08.500 I had no idea what it was going on, but I enjoyed the cat.

01:30:11.500 Is this Peter Poe? Peter Poe? Okay, great.

01:30:13.500 Boop boop beep, StarMatorBot will not resign.

01:30:17.500 On the segment about aliens, the question isn't, does life exist?

01:30:21.420 It's rather the for me paradox of, why aren't they here yet?

01:30:24.340 Even at sub-light speed, the entire galaxy could have been conquered in only 400 million years.

01:30:28.580 While the zoo hypothesis is quite comforting, I take a dimmer view.

01:30:31.760 When any civilization reaches a certain level of competence, it abolishes its own selection pressures,

01:30:36.160 suddenly supporting and tolerating ethics and aberrations that are contrary to survival or upward progress.

01:30:41.380 I think this is the grand filter of life.

01:30:43.480 And while it's nice to imagine there await grand wonders in the stars,

01:30:46.460 I got a terrible hunch it's just thinly dotted

01:30:48.580 with developmentally stunted civilizational strip malls.

01:30:53.120 Nice. Let's play the next one.

01:30:58.460 Okay, we finished.

01:31:00.460 Let's read a few comments from the segments.

01:31:04.500 I can read them if you want.

01:31:06.500 Sure.

01:31:07.200 And we go to prepare for Lads Hour, 3 p.m.

01:31:11.580 We're going to be here for Lads Hour.

01:31:13.480 Right. So Zesty King says, I went to Great Yarmouth around June last year.

01:31:17.340 I saw lots of union flags, a VE day display and two MAGA pins.

01:31:22.400 As someone from Blackpool, all I needed was some crime and I would have felt at home. 1.00

01:31:27.580 Russian Garbage Human says, where is it? Wait. 1.00

01:31:31.460 Yep. Accidentally left a USB power bank on the roof of my car.

01:31:35.300 Went for an entire day of canvassing thinking.

01:31:38.220 I lost it, came back after evening pints. Still there.

01:31:42.460 High trust society right there

01:31:44.360 Michael Dribelby says

01:31:46.260 If they move to push Starmer out

01:31:48.380 He'll call a general election

01:31:49.880 Because he'll burn labour to the ground

01:31:52.560 Before he'll give up power

01:31:55.280 Possibly, I mean, possible

01:31:58.680 Geordie Swordsman says

01:32:00.860 Northumbria does not recognise this 0.98

01:32:03.180 Mercian pretender 1.00

01:32:04.540 The North doesn't abide with 1.00

01:32:07.280 Doesn't abide by

01:32:08.640 Andy Burnham

01:32:10.020 Myrmidon 2010

01:32:11.820 Stan Stelios what would you and the panel prefer the Crestford Nolan treatment of the

01:32:16.200 Odyssey or have it done in the style of 300 300 Rise of an Empire just that's not even

01:32:23.260 a decision I like the 300 films to be honest they're good for what they are I like the

01:32:29.000 first one yeah yeah and um George um George Hap says casting is always intentional if

01:32:38.140 If you see a race or a sex swap, it was put there by the people in charge.

01:32:42.500 And it's an insult to the intelligence of the viewer. 1.00

01:32:45.920 Zero tolerance to such garbage. 0.90

01:32:48.660 And knowledge abomination is cultural pollution, which should be mocked and ignored. 0.99

01:32:54.380 Hear, hear.

01:32:54.860 What a positive note.

01:32:55.920 And just one last thing to say was that Matt Damon said, Nolan is very faithful to it.

01:33:01.780 Homer is not just something you rewrite.

01:33:03.740 so

01:33:06.400 we reached the end of this episode

01:33:09.260 thank you very much gentlemen

01:33:10.860 and see you

01:33:13.260 for Lads Hour at 3pm

01:33:15.440 goodbye

01:33:16.740 bye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 15, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1419

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