The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1421

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 14 21 we're only 67 away and it is

00:00:07.840 tuesday the 19th of may year of our lord 2026 what about beau hello stelios hello we're going 0.67

00:00:16.080 to be talking about those uh damn cars cars are doing stuff again there are there is an epidemic 0.87

00:00:22.760 of mental illness with when it comes with cars yeah yes knives but yes those knives we can't 0.99

00:00:28.620 overlook those knives yes they're always up to stuff uh we're going to be asking the question

00:00:33.000 if restore britain should be running a candidate in the makerfield election and um how reform

00:00:39.640 accidentally ruined britain which is well the ex-tories but they're all in reform yeah yeah

00:00:46.300 and yeah that's on them then really isn't it a little bit yeah um announcements watch breakfast

00:00:53.900 with Bo

00:00:54.400 because it's got Bo in it

00:00:55.760 it's well good

00:00:57.860 yes

00:00:58.800 double plus well good

00:01:00.040 watch that

00:01:01.120 it's the most based

00:01:02.420 breakfast show

00:01:03.040 out there

00:01:03.860 what's your competition

00:01:04.700 not really

00:01:06.240 please

00:01:06.800 there isn't any

00:01:07.920 there isn't

00:01:08.580 there is no second

00:01:10.200 it's Bo

00:01:10.820 and then there is a third show

00:01:12.320 so there's no second place

00:01:13.820 based breakfast show

00:01:15.620 not even

00:01:16.960 what is his name

00:01:17.920 it's Jeremy Carl

00:01:18.600 and there's Mike Graham

00:01:19.380 aren't there

00:01:20.220 but who

00:01:21.140 in their right mind

00:01:22.020 there's no competition

00:01:23.000 would watch

00:01:23.840 that slop when you can watch bow instead yeah tell us about cars right so we're going to talk

00:01:33.860 about italy and the very tragic incident that happened actually it's not a tragedy it was 0.89

00:01:40.660 a crime and it sadly has reached italy and we are going to make a warning to italians now italians 0.96

00:01:49.700 are. I have a fondness of Italians because I'm Greek and I want the best for them. So yes, 1.00

00:01:57.600 I want to warn you about what is happening in Europe and I want to let you know of a particular

00:02:03.380 pattern that we see happening again and again and again. And the authorities and the establishment

00:02:09.640 is going to treat it as an isolated incident. Right, so I'm not going to play the two videos

00:02:19.700 video can enter our website click on the links underneath the podcast it's podcast number 1421

00:02:28.500 and they can watch them so what happened here is we have footage of a car in modena which is in the

00:02:36.880 north of italy running over people so it's this car over here it just plows straight into those

00:02:45.380 plows straight here and then it takes a left turn and then there is another video of i'm not gonna

00:02:52.580 play it but um what he does he stirs the steering wheel to the left and he crushes a woman on a wall

00:03:02.820 who lost uh sadly her legs instantly eight people were injured four critically five women three men

00:03:12.600 and two women, one tourist from Germany

00:03:16.280 and one tourist from Poland, have lost their legs.

00:03:19.500 One lost her legs instantly

00:03:21.780 when she was crushed against the wall

00:03:25.460 by this criminal's car

00:03:31.380 and by this criminal. 1.00

00:03:33.900 And the other had to have her legs amputated afterwards.

00:03:38.820 They were transported in.

00:03:40.900 I mean, imagine you're going on holiday to Italy, you wake up, you're looking forward to your day out on your holiday, and then you get diversified.

00:03:51.180 It's absolutely tragic. 0.56

00:03:52.940 Now, what happens is that the establishment says that this is Salim el-Kudri.

00:04:00.320 It's a 31-year-old Moroccan who was born in Italy.

00:04:04.260 He's a second-generation migrant.

00:04:06.840 His parents migrated to Italy. 1.00

00:04:09.460 He was born there in Bergamo, and he did this.

00:04:13.600 And this is a letter of his to his university.

00:04:19.540 I think he was an economic student where he said essentially, quote, 1.00

00:04:25.840 you have to hire me as an employee, effing Christian bastards. 1.00

00:04:32.020 You and your Jesus Christ on the cross. 1.00

00:04:34.980 And he says that he is going to burn it.

00:04:38.440 close quote. If only there was some clue with these people every single time.

00:04:43.760 Yes. So what happened afterwards was that he exited the car and started running and he started

00:04:54.360 trying to, he started trying to stab people. So what happened there was that he got detained by

00:05:02.500 four civilians, and afterwards the police arrived and arrested him. But he did stab them. One of

00:05:09.100 them he stabbed severely. Right, so I want to warn the Italians of a particular pattern that we see, 1.00

00:05:18.260 especially when we're talking about crime in Europe, and we have seen a lot of it. 0.60

00:05:22.740 Germany is a case where we see it a lot, sadly. And this is back from October 2025.

00:05:30.780 I say here that the patent remains undefeated.

00:05:35.020 It has seven stages.

00:05:37.620 A crime is committed by members of groups the left considers oppressed,

00:05:42.080 the ones who are preferentially treated as oppressed by the leftist establishment.

00:05:49.300 Mainstream media casts aspersions about oppressor groups that imply that the far right is to blame.

00:05:55.540 Stage number three, when the identity of the perpetrator, of the criminal, cannot be denied,

00:06:01.580 mainstream media treats it as an isolated incident that was caused by mental illness

00:06:07.280 and which does not suggest any deeper pattern.

00:06:11.060 And let me add, you will see this in Italy, you may have seen it already, and we have

00:06:16.120 definitely seen it.

00:06:17.160 what the leftist establishment is doing is they're trying to minimize the damage for their own side

00:06:26.520 let's say and conceived of in a general sense well they're going to try to maximize damage caused

00:06:34.160 for the other side in rhetoric and what do I mean by this whenever something happens that

00:06:40.300 that is a crime committed by someone that they consider to be a member of an allied group,

00:06:47.980 an allied group of the left, they're going to say, no, this doesn't speak about the group.

00:06:53.780 This speaks about just the individual. And that individual had mental illness. 0.96

00:07:00.080 His car had mental illness. His knives had mental illness. He had mental illness, 1.00

00:07:06.260 but it is just about an individual and doesn't suggest anything about the group. Whereas people 0.95

00:07:13.580 who do criticize it and people who do say, no, I don't want to live this way. I don't want to add

00:07:20.180 this to my fears, walking down the street and being essentially amputated or losing my legs

00:07:26.980 on the spot. I don't want to add this on my daily considerations or anxieties. They are being

00:07:34.520 presented as being the worst kind of extremist. And the mere criticism of this is portrayed as a

00:07:44.040 deeper indication of a strong pattern, in which case they do say, no, it does say something about

00:07:51.180 the group. Whereas the crime committed by the group member that is an ally of the left is

00:08:00.460 portrayed as just something that was isolated. Stage number four, politicians and establishmentarians

00:08:07.120 make performative expressions of sympathy to the victims or their families. They may like the

00:08:12.680 parliament or whatever other major governmental building with the colors of a country or Ukraine

00:08:23.300 sometimes. Other times they do it about Israel, and they can do it about many times,

00:08:30.200 you know, whatever. They can do it about whatever other group. After the empty virtue signaling

00:08:37.560 session, they will scaremonger about the far right and make irrelevant remarks about fascism

00:08:43.200 and Nazism, whose purpose is to frame every person who doesn't buy into the multicultural

00:08:48.760 progressive narrative as an enemy of society and progress. And also European integration and the

00:08:54.600 new, in this case, because we're talking about Italy as a member of the EU, they're going to say

00:08:59.620 that they are the enemies of European integration and the enemies of the European identity that the

00:09:06.500 EU wants to foster. Stage number six, those who challenge the dominant paradigm are met with

00:09:11.880 content-wise irrelevant screeching about racism and extremism, whose only purpose is to divert

00:09:18.440 attention away from the dead ends of the progressive paradigm. And the question that is

00:09:23.440 not being answered here, the question that many want to evade is how many victims must there be

00:09:30.240 in order for the establishment to treat rampant multiculturalism as something that isn't a

00:09:37.800 religion to pursue at all costs unconditionally. And sadly, stage number seven is business as usual.

00:09:44.300 i hope this doesn't happen in italy but it seems to me that everything shows that it it will happen

00:09:51.640 perhaps number eight you asked there have i missed anything perhaps number eight

00:09:55.600 don't look back in anger yeah because you are going to be an extremist a bad one you are going

00:10:02.660 to be a a fascist or you are going to be an extremist and you don't want that and don't

00:10:09.460 look back in anger that's that's it well they call people of our generation extremists they 0.66

00:10:14.060 all the people like us who say we want re-migration to be extremists they're going to find out in 20 0.61

00:10:19.060 years what the zoomers think about this and if they think that we're extreme you should see what 0.54

00:10:24.500 those guys are going to do to sort this stuff out right so as they say here this is a cnn article

00:10:30.160 for bystanders tackled knife-wielding driver after car blows into in uh to crowd in italy

00:10:37.520 Modena car-arming suspect, they say, not linked to terror groups.

00:10:45.420 No, of course not.

00:10:46.740 So you see that the stage I mentioned before, sadly,

00:10:50.580 sadly is enacted in Italy.

00:10:57.660 The establishment says that this was not a terrorist.

00:11:01.300 So they are trying to say that this is not an indicative of something wider

00:11:07.780 something that at least should be investigated.

00:11:10.840 They are treating it as just an isolated incident.

00:11:13.440 And let me read a bit from here.

00:11:14.960 They say Salim al-Kudri, a 31-year-old Italian man of Moroccan origin,

00:11:21.060 actually a Moroccan who was in Italy,

00:11:24.540 attempted to flee and stabbed one of three people who tried to stop him

00:11:28.380 before being arrested by police.

00:11:30.800 At this stage, there are no indications of structured Islamist radicalization

00:11:36.720 and he does not appear to be linked to fundamentalist propaganda networks, according to Piantedossi.

00:11:45.460 And they say that he added that searches of Alcudri's phone have so far not revealed elements

00:11:52.440 consistent with the typical profile of a terrorist planning violent acts. Attacks using vehicles to

00:11:59.640 drive into crowds have become more common worldwide, but this was the first of its kind in Italy.

00:12:04.660 Well, sorry, that's not good enough because you can't have the globalists get away with treating Europe as a whole when they want it and treating country members individually when it suits them.

00:12:22.880 This happens a lot in Europe and it should stop happening in Europe. 0.54

00:12:27.180 so if he's moroccan and we already saw some statements of his about burning christian

00:12:36.040 icons or whatever burning crosses and things anti-christian so he's a muslim though

00:12:41.460 so he's muslim right so okay well he isn't affiliated with any particular

00:12:48.640 known terrorist group okay so what well so it's like well so they say so they say so okay just

00:12:55.780 Just a general purpose, self-made, self-radicalised Islamist terrorist then.

00:13:01.740 Oh, well, don't worry about that then, I suppose.

00:13:03.960 Is that what they're trying to suggest?

00:13:05.120 That's what they're saying?

00:13:05.680 Oh, don't worry about that.

00:13:07.260 Well, that's only true because we don't consider the group that you mentioned

00:13:11.800 to be a terrorist group and an extremist ideology.

00:13:16.460 Right.

00:13:17.020 I suppose any analysis or scrutiny of the Quran and the Hadiths themselves,

00:13:23.400 that would be beyond the pale, I take it.

00:13:25.180 Yes. 0.94

00:13:25.780 And you could make the case that not every Muslim is, not all Muslims are driving cars into people, but it looks like many of them, many of the drivers who do so are practitioners of that religion. 0.95

00:13:44.460 It's funny, I seem to remember David Cameron, the Lord Cameron, saying that Islam was a religion of peace. 0.99

00:13:49.200 Yes, and there's another issue here, because this is where it shows that the establishment is completely morally bankrupt.

00:13:57.920 Because what they're saying here, that this isn't related to terrorism, is actually worse than if they said that it was.

00:14:08.520 Why? Because it communicates a sense of helplessness.

00:14:15.400 Right, yeah, there's nothing you can do about it.

00:14:17.000 There's nothing you can do about it.

00:14:18.160 It just happens.

00:14:19.680 If they came out and said that this was linked to a terrorist group, there would be a sort

00:14:26.440 of vague hope in the future that if this group was destroyed, that this sort of thing would

00:14:33.080 stop happening.

00:14:34.680 But this actually says several things here.

00:14:37.020 First of all, let us just address the elephant in the room.

00:14:41.320 You can have mental illness without being a bad person and without committing crimes.

00:14:46.760 this is an insult to people with mental illness and it's not necessarily a bad it doesn't mean

00:14:55.720 that you're a bad person if you have mental illness on its own so um yeah that that is

00:15:02.860 definitely an insult to people with mental illness i know many people who do have mental

00:15:08.240 illness and they're not bad and they just wouldn't wouldn't do such a thing ever and there's a million

00:15:15.520 one of different stripes of mental illness, aren't there?

00:15:18.040 Absolutely.

00:15:19.180 And if that is the case also, there's a further implication that shows, again, that reveals

00:15:24.580 the moral bankruptcy of the establishment, is that if it doesn't take a terrorist to

00:15:31.080 do this, then actually integration is failing to an even greater extent than the establishment

00:15:40.980 is willing to accept.

00:15:42.140 you know, if they're saying that you don't have to be,

00:15:47.940 what they are saying actually is

00:15:50.100 you don't have to be a terrorist

00:15:51.860 to be a danger to society.

00:15:54.440 And you don't have to be a terrorist

00:15:55.900 to be unfit

00:15:57.080 to be a member of society.

00:16:01.560 Again, here they're saying,

00:16:03.020 but they're really trying to contain the damage

00:16:06.880 from a communicative perspective.

00:16:09.500 If you really track the implications of what they are saying and what this implies, you will see very quickly that all this is a smokescreen.

00:16:20.780 Here we have, again, Matteo Piantedossi that I mentioned before, is Italy's interior minister.

00:16:26.620 Here's what Nancy Fraser was in Germany before, who was saying that knives with mental illness must need to be, knives must be banned because it's knives with mental illness when in Solingen, there was someone who stabbed three people in a diversity festival.

00:16:47.320 Right. This minister said that the 30-year-old man who drove into a crowd in Modena on Saturday was not suspected of a terrorist act and was dealing with mental issues. Investigators have ruled out that terrorism was at play after a man drove a car into a crowd in Modena, injuring eight people.

00:17:07.000 and let's say the driver an economics graduate born in 1995 who was not known to the police

00:17:15.580 went through a spell of psychological disturbance in 2022 city prefect fabrizio triolo said at a

00:17:24.900 news conference on saturday and she said he was on the treatment in our mental health centers in

00:17:30.860 2022 because he had problems with schizoid illness after which he disappeared from the

00:17:36.640 radar and unfortunately reappeared in this form today in a dramatic and unfortunate way right if

00:17:43.400 he wasn't a terrorist i'm not saying if he weren't because i don't rule that out if he wasn't a

00:17:49.880 terrorist and he did have schizoid illness and he was dangerous why was he why did he fly under the

00:17:58.860 radar why did he disappear from the radar can i just ask a question still i also presumably there

00:18:05.020 are more Italians in Italy than Moroccans? Yes. There's probably more Christians, Catholics in

00:18:12.120 Italy than there are members of this religious group. Presumably Italians and Catholics 0.85

00:18:19.140 experience mental illness. So why hasn't this happened before? Why doesn't this happen all 1.00

00:18:26.580 the time? Why aren't Italians doing it? Why aren't Catholics doing it? I mean I think that's a very 1.00

00:18:32.780 complicated question and we have to look at the kind of the kind of the modus operandi of each

00:18:37.920 terrorist group because you can definitely say sure is that complicated to be honest you could

00:18:42.420 definitely say for instance that you know italy has known a fair share of crime in in its past

00:18:49.840 and it did have also um terrorist groups within it that weren't that weren't muslim yeah i mean

00:18:56.180 But you do see the modus operandi of this hit,

00:19:00.360 and it resembles many other hits that have taken place.

00:19:04.900 Of course, obviously, yeah.

00:19:08.760 Here we move to the next stage.

00:19:11.020 Meloni cancels meetings to visit Modena after a car-ramming attack.

00:19:15.820 Salim El-Kudri, a 31-year-old...

00:19:17.980 Yeah, we mentioned this, but this is the other stage.

00:19:20.960 So Meloni is going to make the performative expression of sympathy to the victims.

00:19:28.980 She and President Sergio Mattarella traveled to Modena on Sunday to express their sympathy to the victims and their families.

00:19:40.920 The question is, what are they going to do?

00:19:42.480 Are they going to do much, or are they just going to use rhetoric that is a bit more right-wing, a bit more catered to address the concerns of the Italians who don't want mass migration in Italy and will result to business as usual?

00:20:00.860 Because I hear from many of them that Meloni has been a disappointment, and I would like to hear from the Italians in the comments, tell us whether you think that Meloni has been a disappointment or not.

00:20:12.480 And if you think that she's actually going to do this, 0.61

00:20:16.080 going to do anything here. 0.99

00:20:18.440 She's not going to do shit, is she? 1.00

00:20:21.680 She's their Boris Johnson in the sense that she gave out 0.99

00:20:27.300 that she was this based person.

00:20:28.680 She might do something. 0.92

00:20:29.800 She might bring in yet more migrants. 1.00

00:20:32.960 She might do that. 0.99

00:20:34.940 Didn't she sell herself as the based person that will help 1.00

00:20:38.420 close borders and all that sort of thing? 0.99

00:20:40.860 and then went in power, has done nothing of the kind,

00:20:43.720 if anything, accelerated it, allowed hundreds and hundreds of thousands.

00:20:47.200 They did the opposite Boris style.

00:20:49.260 She's not going to do anything, is she?

00:20:51.640 Yes, and, I mean, there is an argument to be made

00:20:55.940 from a realistic perspective that she is a member of the EU

00:20:59.220 and she does have to engage in negotiations

00:21:04.040 with the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels

00:21:06.640 who want multiculturalism at no cost.

00:21:09.860 But in fact, that doesn't, there is a good answer to it.

00:21:14.720 Denmark is a member of the EU and they have negotiated the terms of their membership.

00:21:20.980 I'm just giving an example.

00:21:22.760 She is the leader of a sovereign nation.

00:21:24.720 If she wanted to stop it tomorrow, she could do it.

00:21:27.040 None of them have the will to do it.

00:21:30.420 And the thing is that the more this situation goes forward and the more they don't address this,

00:21:36.780 the more this will keep happening

00:21:39.440 and it's going to be worse in the future.

00:21:43.720 Right.

00:21:44.560 And here we say there is discourse.

00:21:47.320 Again, we move to the next stage here.

00:21:49.120 That was stage six

00:21:50.420 about the screeching and the discourse.

00:21:53.080 Italian ministers says Modena attack

00:21:55.080 raises integration concerns

00:21:56.920 as migration debate hits up.

00:21:59.140 Well, Meloni is a leader of a sovereign nation 0.61

00:22:03.220 and she can negotiate the terms of

00:22:06.780 membership within the EU in the way that, for instance, Denmark did and Hungary is negotiating

00:22:13.520 at the moment. But when it comes to integration, here is yet another way in which we see that this

00:22:21.900 narrative is entirely obsolete by now, if you look at it. Because now they're talking about

00:22:29.080 integration and integration concerns, but multiculturalism, which is the religion of

00:22:36.940 Brussels and the EU, says the exact opposite. It says, do not integrate. It says, you can be here,

00:22:46.060 any person can be here in Italy and in any other country member of the EU, and you can be here,

00:22:54.200 and you don't have to integrate to the native culture.

00:22:59.060 And yeah, when they don't integrate,

00:23:01.700 they're being told to not integrate.

00:23:03.880 And then we're going to have the Italian minister

00:23:06.060 of an allegedly right-wing party coming out

00:23:10.200 and say that this raises integration concerns.

00:23:12.880 Well, it raises integration concerns

00:23:15.740 because the establishment is essentially telling

00:23:18.540 many people do not integrate.

00:23:20.900 right and if you look at this integration is a pipe dream anyway it very very rarely happens

00:23:29.320 anyway so it is especially problematic when we see across europe um multiculturalist experiments

00:23:40.280 that combine european cultures with many cultures especially from the middle east and north africa

00:23:46.940 the MENA countries. And here they're saying that some, and there again, this is an article from

00:23:53.400 Newsday, they say some Italian politicians seized on the attack to voice xenophobic rhetoric and

00:24:00.020 renewed focus on so-called second generation Italians, people born or raised in Italy to

00:24:05.980 foreign parents who are often at the center of debates over identity, citizenship, and integration.

00:24:11.760 Well, we addressed integration about a moment ago, but the thing here is that they're trying

00:24:16.920 to frame concern about such crimes as xenophobic rhetoric? Well, one thing is that if I were a

00:24:26.600 politician, I couldn't look an Italian in the eye and tell them, well, sorry, I can't take your

00:24:35.000 concerns seriously because I have to be a multiculturalist. And you are concerned about

00:24:42.320 not getting amputated by a raving lunatic, criminal, flying over you with a car. But I 1.00

00:24:51.660 have to maintain the illusions of the United Colors of Benetton advertisement. No, that's

00:24:58.820 an illusion. And the right thing to do is not to maintain that illusion. The right thing to do is

00:25:05.560 to accept reality and try to find the best way to solve this. And in trying to find the best way to

00:25:12.940 solve this, discourse will get uncomfortable for some people. But even worse than discourse getting

00:25:18.900 uncomfortable for some people is the reality of people dying and being severely injured by

00:25:27.300 these crimes that weren't a concern some years ago, but are increasingly becoming more of a

00:25:35.260 concern and they become even worse because they happen in countries whose establishment seems

00:25:43.100 hellbent on trying to present them as isolated incidents instead of giving the matter the

00:25:49.420 importance it deserves and by solutions we mean re-migration it's a possibility there are a number

00:25:58.000 of options it's but yeah let's let's go re-migration let's go let's go the liberal option

00:26:06.500 do you want me to read the ramble rights right so fallen firebird

00:26:12.940 western politicians have forgotten that serving the nation state means serving the national people

00:26:20.240 of that state not the soulless state itself which has turned against its own people unprecedented

00:26:27.260 unprecedented. I don't know if it's unprecedented, but it is a crime. And especially when we talk

00:26:33.000 about our democracy that is supposed to be our danger, you cannot talk about a democracy without

00:26:39.620 the demos. And the demos is an exclusive identity. It's not all inclusive. The hapsification,

00:26:49.120 Maloney is part of the plastic right like Boris Johnson. They're like fake boobs. They look great, 0.99

00:26:53.900 but they're not real.

00:26:55.520 Canon appreciator there.

00:26:57.860 Sigilstone 17.

00:27:00.440 No, Dan.

00:27:02.180 It's not that they don't have the will to stop it.

00:27:05.540 Their will is to cause it.

00:27:08.460 Sigilstone also says,

00:27:10.280 let's take them at their word

00:27:11.720 and beg the question. 1.00

00:27:13.700 They are mentally ill and seek treatment. 0.99

00:27:17.240 So their doctors are convincing them 0.99

00:27:19.320 to go on rampages. 0.99

00:27:20.360 oh ph uk not all muslims drive cars into people or do other crimes 0.99

00:27:30.760 but there are many uh to form a pattern and too many to let uh people stay and he says 0.98

00:27:39.640 he wants to deport people uh cookie boy 23 they will only wave it away and go back to normal

00:27:46.960 because they've let too many in

00:27:48.560 and they're not to do anything else.

00:27:52.580 And that's what Random Name says.

00:27:54.340 It's almost like our enemies are evil

00:27:56.560 and don't care about truth or honor

00:27:58.240 and will do and say anything to achieve their goals,

00:28:01.500 which are our extinction.

00:28:03.240 Don't expect them to play fair in elections.

00:28:09.380 There are some more.

00:28:11.320 I don't know if you...

00:28:12.040 Yeah, Johnny Logo.

00:28:14.020 Bo has a monopoly on breakfast shows,

00:28:15.800 number one breakfast show i had i had to mention that and um 70 triple m restores north cornwall

00:28:25.800 inaugural branch meeting is this saturday at camelot castle 4 p.m what a venue finally in my

00:28:32.040 area it begins nice is that tintagel

00:28:35.880 I don't know that one

00:28:41.060 I'll check it out

00:28:42.020 so

00:28:44.340 we're going to be asking the question in this segment

00:28:47.100 should Restore

00:28:48.760 run a candidate in Makerfield

00:28:51.340 to be clear they already are

00:28:53.400 they have

00:28:53.860 sort of a retrospective question

00:28:56.200 well it's a question you see because

00:28:58.980 lots of people have had a lot to say

00:29:01.200 on this subject as we know

00:29:02.960 Rupert Lowe announced a few days ago

00:29:04.840 um that yes three days ago now that um restore will be running a candidate in the maker field

00:29:11.100 by election um cue much howling mainly from other parties that are running that think it would be

00:29:20.060 better if a rival political party did not field a candidate um and and normally this is such a

00:29:27.800 silly thing that i would not bother responding to it but because because my timeline has been

00:29:33.520 absolutely filled with people howling at restore britain standing a candidate i thought well

00:29:40.120 why don't we just engage with these ideas is it mainly reform tards yes although actually there 0.79

00:29:45.720 have actually been one or two fair weather restorers who were like oh maybe we shouldn't 0.97

00:29:50.560 stand in this one right what i'm going to do is i'm going to help them with um i went to this uh

00:29:58.400 website where's my mouse going let me have a mouse i went to this uh website um which is all about

00:30:06.620 politics um it's the electoral knowledge network so i looked up the definition of a political party

00:30:13.260 a political party is defined as an organized group of people with at least roughly similar

00:30:18.040 political aims and opinions that seek to influence public policy by getting its candidates elected

00:30:24.860 to public office so there's that yeah yeah there is that they are the political party so yes

00:30:33.840 they're going to stand a candidate for election that's the whole point i had uh lewis brackpool

00:30:40.740 on the breakfast show breakfast with bow the bow show check it out 8 a.m every weekday um it's a

00:30:47.220 good show it's a great show it's the best show around the best of the best um uh and this was

00:30:54.640 the day before it was announced right we had uh a little chat and he asked me my opinion you know

00:31:01.660 at the moment when it was i believe it was still being decided by the upper echelons and i said

00:31:06.860 my feeling is yes why not yes why not i mean particularly in this place as well was my feeling

00:31:15.320 particularly in like a a largely white largely working class northern uh brexit area that's

00:31:23.500 just gone reform if you're not going to stand there you're not going to like gamble and throw

00:31:27.900 the chips higher and actually do the business of being a political party if you're not going to do

00:31:32.640 it there yes what's the point maybe if you're not going to stand a candidate for election consider

00:31:37.240 changing your constitution to be i don't know a knitting club or something just yeah or drinking

00:31:41.580 club or something like that it's your job as a political party to try and stand wherever wherever

00:31:46.240 even if you think you're going to lose even if you're pretty confident you're going to lose

00:31:50.220 That's the point of being a serious party.

00:31:51.500 Well, the Liberal Democrats have run candidates for decades

00:31:54.220 knowing for where they're going to lose.

00:31:56.420 I don't think we're going to lose, but, I mean, I take your point.

00:32:00.520 I think the reason why this has reached such a crescendo

00:32:02.960 is because people are so in the moment

00:32:05.560 and they're hearing about Andy Burnham coming back.

00:32:09.660 And a lot of people who just can't step back,

00:32:12.980 who just can't see the bigger picture,

00:32:15.220 are imagining this kind of return of Andy Burnham.

00:32:19.460 This is Andy Burnham in the imagination of people who are lacking perspective coming back to Westminster.

00:32:28.220 Here's Andy Burnham coming back as leader to Labour MPs.

00:32:35.160 And the truth is, right, Andy Burnham is not some mythical demigod type creature, right?

00:32:44.960 Let's show you what Andy Burnham actually looks like.

00:32:47.760 That's what he actually looks like, right?

00:32:49.640 That is actually Andy Burnham.

00:32:52.500 The man behind the armour, you know?

00:32:55.060 Yes.

00:32:55.360 Are you sure?

00:32:55.920 That looks like a claymation turtle to me with eyeliner on.

00:32:59.920 Are you sure that's Andy Burnham?

00:33:03.240 Yes.

00:33:03.860 Okay. 0.98

00:33:04.980 Yeah, no, he's a weak nothing man. 0.86

00:33:06.700 He's the bottom of the barrel, bottom of the Blairite era barrel. 0.91

00:33:10.160 Yes.

00:33:10.640 He was not impressive.

00:33:13.420 That's what we need.

00:33:14.920 The thing is, Beau, you have perspective on this, right?

00:33:17.760 Because you know that Andy Burnham is a C-lister.

00:33:21.300 And the only reason that he is in Manchester

00:33:24.240 is because he had a career in Westminster

00:33:26.580 which was stalling hard.

00:33:30.060 So he bugged out and went to Manchester.

00:33:33.900 That's why he's mayor of Manchester.

00:33:36.060 Not because he's some great politician.

00:33:37.860 He climbed eventually to the rank of health secretary

00:33:42.080 and he was broadly considered at the time

00:33:44.920 to be a second-rate politician.

00:33:47.760 I said this if you remember

00:33:50.120 we're old enough to remember aren't we

00:33:51.440 the Blair years and the Brown years

00:33:52.820 and you had some formidable players in there

00:33:56.020 oh yeah we did

00:33:56.680 people like Robin Cook

00:33:57.820 I mean Gordon Brown himself

00:33:58.820 people like David Blunkett perhaps

00:34:01.060 you know a fair few

00:34:03.020 a fair few of Blair's henchmen

00:34:05.420 yep

00:34:06.240 were very very good politicians

00:34:07.820 for what they were

00:34:08.400 I mean they're all

00:34:09.040 they're all like ex-commie

00:34:10.580 like Jack Straw

00:34:11.280 ex-commie

00:34:12.220 bloody Fabian Society 0.94

00:34:13.500 socialist freaks

00:34:14.960 as far as I'm concerned

00:34:15.660 however at their job

00:34:17.000 at being parliamentarians, they were good.

00:34:18.800 Yeah, they were good.

00:34:19.280 Andy Burnham was barely beating.

00:34:21.520 No, people made fun of him at the time.

00:34:23.320 Yeah, he was an also-ran, it was like,

00:34:24.860 maybe you'd heard his name, maybe, if you followed politics.

00:34:27.620 Otherwise...

00:34:28.260 Yes.

00:34:29.200 And they used to compare him all the time to,

00:34:31.100 was it Postman Pat or Bob the Bill?

00:34:32.460 I can't remember, but they always used to compare him

00:34:35.300 to some cartoon.

00:34:36.040 He was a figure of fun.

00:34:37.260 And when you hear him speak, then and now...

00:34:39.560 Yes.

00:34:41.400 Does he really, like, inspire anyone, really?

00:34:44.380 No.

00:34:44.640 Like, wow, Burnham speaking.

00:34:45.840 listen to the the force of will the force of character you know what i'm asking myself about

00:34:51.860 this i i agree with you but my question is doesn't this apply to starmer as well yeah yeah of course

00:34:58.520 that's exactly right they're all second-rate we would think the same thing about starmer yes and

00:35:05.260 starmer ended up with a premiership so that's actually my point because the tories dropped

00:35:09.900 the ball for 14 straight years and half the electorate doesn't turn out to vote but no you're

00:35:15.540 making exactly my point people are kind of imagining that this guy's going to come in and

00:35:19.640 he's just going to pick up um westminster politics as if it's a rubik's cube or something he's just

00:35:25.020 going to he's just going to do all that and then all the colors are going to line up the british

00:35:28.860 state is going to work people are going to love labor for the next hundred years like no none of

00:35:33.960 that is going to happen if he becomes if he does even if he does become prime minister but nothing

00:35:39.340 changes he will be as unpopular as starmer within six months he's still open borders more safe and

00:35:44.700 legal roots the argument that we must uh it's best for anyone who's anti-labor of whatever stripe

00:35:50.780 it's best for us if starmer stays in position not necessarily at all he doesn't make any damn

00:35:57.180 difference doesn't really make much difference because whoever is whether it's street in or

00:36:00.720 burnham i mean one's considered to the right of the party one's considered slightly to the left

00:36:04.200 the soft left whatever doesn't make much it won't make a vast amount of difference so so that

00:36:08.860 argument was trotted out and then that argument just kind of died because people couldn't really

00:36:13.240 make that argument anymore and then they said ah ah well what if what if um you split the vote

00:36:20.440 and then burnham gets in that means you're now responsible for everything that he does as leader

00:36:26.200 and it's like okay this argument is being made by reform supporters so by that logic everything

00:36:33.240 that starmer does you're responsible for are you sure you want to be making that argument that is

00:36:39.920 not or or go the other way right nigel fraud actually did step down in 2019 in favor of

00:36:48.500 boris johnson right and what do we get we got um the boris wave we got the boris we've got millions

00:36:54.020 of third worlders and we got the covid hysteria which destroyed thousands of businesses i mean

00:37:01.380 he he got us the vax push and you know on youtube i'm not really allowed to to talk about that but

00:37:07.620 maybe that will not be um one of those stories that goes away over the long term

00:37:14.900 um it gave us a blown out the deficit completely like we're now over 100 billion in the hole

00:37:22.340 every single year after covid millions of people went on disability like boris was an absolute

00:37:28.760 disaster and that came from thinking that you could second guess politics you could second 0.81

00:37:34.340 guess people's preferences

00:37:35.440 and you could stand down

00:37:37.800 because it was

00:37:38.260 some clever political move

00:37:39.460 it was a disaster

00:37:40.860 the general argument

00:37:43.780 mainly from reformers

00:37:45.280 reformed hearts

00:37:46.720 is that

00:37:49.280 you have to do

00:37:50.920 restore shouldn't stand

00:37:52.280 or should step aside

00:37:53.220 or whatever

00:37:53.760 for the greater good

00:37:55.940 no no no no

00:37:58.840 reform

00:37:59.640 if they're going to win

00:38:01.060 have to win

00:38:01.960 on their own merits

00:38:02.840 against anyone

00:38:03.760 and everyone that stands against them.

00:38:05.420 Yes.

00:38:05.560 That's politics.

00:38:06.780 Yes.

00:38:07.960 That's how the political system works.

00:38:10.020 Yeah.

00:38:10.720 If people want to vote for you, they vote for you.

00:38:14.120 Yeah, right, yeah.

00:38:14.800 Yes, exactly right.

00:38:16.460 Restore doesn't owe reform anything.

00:38:20.260 Reformer as much restores political enemies as Lib Dems or Greens.

00:38:23.800 Yes.

00:38:24.600 It's all the uniparties, as far as I'm concerned.

00:38:27.480 It's all the same uniparty, globalist, nonsense containment,

00:38:31.460 containment of nativism and real patriotism.

00:38:33.760 It's all containment.

00:38:34.780 So, no, we're not going to stand aside. 0.93

00:38:37.440 And, look, I mean, I thought these arguments were ridiculous

00:38:40.660 when it was two, three years ago when everybody was saying,

00:38:44.800 oh, Nigel Farage needs to stand down for the Tories again.

00:38:48.520 And I'm glad he didn't.

00:38:49.840 You're not supposed to do that.

00:38:51.760 I mean, that doesn't work.

00:38:52.760 The problem is every single election in my lifetime,

00:38:57.580 I've had people tell me that this is the most important election

00:39:02.080 of our lifetimes.

00:39:02.840 every single time could be the last one yeah i mean i mean there could be a town council opening

00:39:09.500 on the bognor regis town council and there will be somebody making the argument that is the most

00:39:14.260 important election of our lifetimes but what what is actually implicit in all of that is is the is

00:39:21.160 the suggestion that look because we're right on the precipice it's incumbent upon you to only move

00:39:29.100 one inch away from the precipice.

00:39:30.480 Don't do anything bold.

00:39:31.880 You're right on the precipice.

00:39:33.020 You're just about to go over.

00:39:34.880 So the best you can do

00:39:36.000 is move a single inch.

00:39:38.400 Don't, you know,

00:39:39.900 don't do the,

00:39:40.820 don't press the fix everything button.

00:39:42.760 Now it's too important for that.

00:39:44.740 We have to take the smallest move

00:39:46.740 that we can. 1.00

00:39:49.520 That's what El Salvador did

00:39:50.980 for the best part of 20 years.

00:39:54.420 And that's what El Salvador 0.95

00:39:55.260 used to look like.

00:39:56.520 Until they pressed the fix everything button,

00:39:59.100 and now El Salvador looks like that. 0.99

00:40:02.240 Went from one of the most dangerous countries in Central America

00:40:04.660 to one of the safest.

00:40:05.860 Because they decided, you know what?

00:40:08.440 We're not going to do this an inch at a time.

00:40:10.920 We're just going to press the fix everything button.

00:40:13.660 And it fixed everything.

00:40:15.940 Yeah, funny that.

00:40:17.480 And actually, if you show pictures of El Salvador

00:40:19.820 outside his presence,

00:40:22.860 they're actually really good pictures.

00:40:24.940 Yes, yes, no, it is.

00:40:25.820 And look, I will admit, we're not quite as bad as El Salvador was in, say, 2016.

00:40:32.980 Not yet, no.

00:40:33.740 Not yet.

00:40:34.380 But...

00:40:34.700 Our sectarian nightmare is a few years down the road, to be fair.

00:40:38.560 But we are already this bad.

00:40:41.360 This story.

00:40:42.340 I know it's been covered.

00:40:43.360 Everybody knows this story of a guy who was walking down the street,

00:40:46.980 was set on by a couple of Sikh brothers, stabbed to death,

00:40:50.900 and then the police turned up and cuffed him so that he drowned in his own blood 0.76

00:40:54.600 after being stabbed.

00:40:55.780 We're already this bad, right?

00:40:58.700 So don't tell me that what we actually need

00:41:01.800 is a little bit more incrementalism.

00:41:03.620 What we really need is Zia Yusuf as Home Secretary.

00:41:06.200 No.

00:41:07.220 Yeah.

00:41:07.820 I don't think so.

00:41:09.240 What we really need is Nigel Farage,

00:41:10.740 who has told us that it's impossible.

00:41:13.980 He sat there in the interview going,

00:41:15.160 no, it's impossible.

00:41:16.680 We can't send anyone back.

00:41:18.420 We're not going to do that.

00:41:19.880 We're not going to win in 2050 1.00

00:41:21.420 unless we win over the Muslim vote. 0.99

00:41:23.920 That's what he thinks. 1.00

00:41:24.960 We need Jenrick and Braverman in government again.

00:41:30.560 Yes.

00:41:30.840 Really?

00:41:31.500 Yeah.

00:41:31.840 That's the solution, is it?

00:41:34.140 We need Andrew.

00:41:34.940 Finally, Andrew Rosendale gets into cabinet.

00:41:38.500 Yeah.

00:41:38.780 Yeah, okay.

00:41:39.980 All right.

00:41:40.980 Okay.

00:41:42.240 So, look, I'm not doing it.

00:41:44.880 I'm not doing compromise anymore.

00:41:47.860 Yeah.

00:41:48.500 No. 0.99

00:41:49.180 Reform will have to fight fair and square for every inch.

00:41:51.780 Yes.

00:41:52.020 and actually what i mean what they're missing is that actually restore i don't think the store

00:41:57.920 i mean they might take some votes from reform but actually we've seen how this work in live

00:42:03.520 elections what they do is they get people who have given up on voting entirely right and nobody

00:42:09.940 wants to do that no nobody wants to engage in that sort of politics they all want to fight over

00:42:14.800 for a handful of people who still got a little bit of faith left in politics enough to turn out

00:42:19.320 reliably they're all fighting over 40 of the electorate the ones are actually if Dalton

00:42:24.940 Denton's anything to go by reform strategy will be appealing to the small number of Sikhs that 0.54

00:42:29.580 live there or whatever okay more or less a bypass talking directly to the white working class people

00:42:37.600 of that area yeah exactly okay good good yeah keep doing that strategy keep doing that but

00:42:44.840 And look, I think Restore can win this.

00:42:48.960 I don't see why not.

00:42:49.820 I think they can win it. 1.00

00:42:50.980 The polling is low at the moment, but polling is often bullshit. 0.99

00:42:55.920 Yes. 0.98

00:42:56.720 But, I mean, let's just engage with a still-man version

00:43:01.240 of the argument that they're trying to make.

00:43:03.080 They're trying to make the argument, okay,

00:43:04.380 what if the final results are something like, I don't know,

00:43:07.020 Labour get 32% and Reform get 24% and Restore,

00:43:11.800 Conservatives, Lib Dem, Greens all get 11%,

00:43:14.220 something like that that's kind of the argument they're making then they could say oh well

00:43:18.640 actually um we we kind of own all the right-wing votes and therefore if if restore or or even the

00:43:27.340 conservatives didn't win well that that would have that would have you know that would have stopped

00:43:31.960 burnham again they're going back to this whole idea of burnham being this great mythical figure

00:43:35.980 okay let's say

00:43:37.900 that happens

00:43:38.500 right

00:43:38.800 just taking

00:43:41.440 their point

00:43:42.160 as they make

00:43:43.060 it

00:43:43.340 what do you

00:43:45.260 think happens

00:43:45.680 next

00:43:46.060 because the

00:43:47.080 Labour left

00:43:47.580 doesn't suddenly

00:43:48.340 disappear into

00:43:49.700 a puff of smoke

00:43:50.500 no the Labour

00:43:51.260 left is still

00:43:51.820 there

00:43:52.200 and then

00:43:53.120 we get one

00:43:55.440 of these two

00:43:56.060 right yeah

00:43:59.420 say Burnham

00:44:00.440 does lose

00:44:01.020 then we've got

00:44:02.000 it's either

00:44:02.440 yeah 0.86

00:44:03.080 Redhead 0.67

00:44:04.140 Angela the 1.00

00:44:05.000 Fridge

00:44:05.300 Rainer

00:44:05.660 big bird or wesley streeting you keep calling her andrew the fridge big bird but i've met ed

00:44:14.700 milliband and he is a tiny tiny tiny man oh is it yeah he's he's he's like a little figurine

00:44:22.920 and she's tight and she maybe she's just stood i don't know 10 feet behind him i was gonna say

00:44:28.220 yeah she's actually a mile behind him she's seven foot two weighs 500 pounds she's gigantic

00:44:34.900 this is the thing like even if you stop burning oh and by the way reform's whole campaign during

00:44:42.260 the um the local elections was vote for us to get starmer out now it looks like starmer might be

00:44:48.620 going out they're like no save starmer which won't happen anyway because it'll just be one 0.99

00:44:53.520 of these two idiots will get in right and they'll be worse and then people will say to me something 0.98

00:44:57.200 like oh dan but you don't understand right because if if burnham if burnham wins he's going to take 1.00

00:45:03.920 us back into the eu and he's going to do this and he's going to do that and he's going to do the

00:45:07.480 other thing and it's like not really no because burnham is standing in makerfield which voted 70

00:45:14.880 leave so actually it's it's very much in his political interest to sit on that to make the

00:45:23.920 right noises to do a little bit of the whole um oh yeah i'd love to join the eu when the time is

00:45:30.660 right and stuff like that but but but if his constituency is 70 percent leave he's not touching

00:45:35.660 that well he's been making noises over the last day 36 hours trying to distance himself as much

00:45:42.420 as possible from starmer and streetings pro-eu sentiments yes and his own history over the last

00:45:48.680 10 years plus yes so yeah yeah so because suddenly it doesn't suit him anymore he said that stuff

00:45:55.680 about the eu when it suited him to say it because that was the electorate he's trying to win he but

00:46:00.600 But if he ends up in a constituency with 70% leave,

00:46:04.100 he's not going to touch that, right?

00:46:05.460 Whereas think about these two, right?

00:46:07.160 So Ed Miliband in Doncaster North.

00:46:10.900 So, yeah, I mean, his constituency did go narrowly for leave, right?

00:46:16.680 But he's still got a thumping majority.

00:46:19.260 Even last time, even at the Labour wipeout,

00:46:22.520 he's still got a pretty good majority. 0.95

00:46:24.000 So actually, he is far more likely to do something silly like that,

00:46:28.520 feeling that he's going to be insulated and Angela um the fridge big bird reiner um she's 100%

00:46:37.140 going to lose her seat at the next election i would have thought so yes west streeting certainly

00:46:41.440 will but yeah yes big bird is in trouble so so she so if she becomes prime minister she's got

00:46:47.800 three years where she's completely unencumbered because she knows not only is it probably going

00:46:54.220 to be the last Labour government ever but she's going to lose her seat so she has absolutely no 0.99

00:47:00.460 reason at all not to do the most spiteful idiotic socialist things imaginable she just will I talked 0.95

00:47:12.160 about claymation earlier doesn't Ed Miliband in that picture particularly look like Wallace out 0.98

00:47:17.280 of Wallace and Gromit yes oh yeah like I said I met him he's a tiny little figurine of a man

00:47:23.360 You get the impression from that picture that it really is.

00:47:26.380 You know how civilizations degenerate over time?

00:47:31.020 Yeah.

00:47:31.540 You look at the height of, say, the Roman Republic or the Roman Empire,

00:47:35.160 you look at the height of sort of the Mongol Empire or something,

00:47:38.020 two, three, four generations later, they're no longer lions of men. 0.99

00:47:42.520 They're all weak sheep.

00:47:44.400 Yeah. 0.91

00:47:45.180 This is sort of, again, the dregs of the dregs of something

00:47:48.120 that was actually genuinely sort of strong and powerful

00:47:51.580 in, like, the Blair years, in the beginning of New Labour.

00:47:54.760 Yeah.

00:47:55.000 And you're left with, like, some weird, deformed,

00:47:58.160 freakish, bottom-of-the-barrel nonsense.

00:48:00.840 Yes. 0.99

00:48:01.120 The dregs of the dregs. 0.91

00:48:02.980 Yes.

00:48:03.140 Something that's left, like, a residue,

00:48:06.060 a disgusting residue of something that was once good.

00:48:08.800 Yeah.

00:48:11.560 Yes.

00:48:12.480 That's the feeling I get.

00:48:13.700 And the crazy thing about Labour, right,

00:48:15.440 they could have had his brother.

00:48:17.300 Yeah.

00:48:17.480 He probably would do all right.

00:48:22.140 I mean, even he wouldn't be considered a big beast of the Blair era,

00:48:27.420 but he was at least, you know, 1.5 tier.

00:48:31.760 Right.

00:48:32.460 Yeah.

00:48:32.840 He was the Foreign Secretary under Brown, wasn't he?

00:48:36.200 So he's got experience in all that sort of thing.

00:48:38.720 Yeah, I mean, he was a better politician than Ed Miliband, sure.

00:48:43.560 Yes.

00:48:43.800 Less sort of immediately obnoxious.

00:48:46.820 Yes.

00:48:47.080 I think his policies and worldview were slightly less insane.

00:48:50.040 Slightly.

00:48:51.000 Yes, it was weak.

00:48:53.260 I mean, these attacks are going to keep going.

00:48:57.620 Because it's easier to win an election if you can persuade your opposition

00:49:01.760 to just stand down and don't fight the election.

00:49:04.240 Give that up. Reform people, give that up.

00:49:05.900 We're not going to do that.

00:49:06.700 It's not happening.

00:49:08.140 Get used to the idea that you've got to fight,

00:49:09.980 restore along with everyone else.

00:49:11.660 Or if you really believe in the logic of standing down,

00:49:14.940 just do it again like you did in 2019.

00:49:16.620 Yeah, you stand down.

00:49:17.880 Yes.

00:49:18.260 You stand down from Restore.

00:49:19.420 How about that?

00:49:20.500 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:21.860 Yeah, quite.

00:49:22.520 And the latest thing I've seen them pivot to

00:49:25.420 is the Restore candidate gave an interview.

00:49:29.580 And look, she was fine, 0.97

00:49:31.040 but she's clearly not that comfortable yet with the cameras.

00:49:36.680 But look, you don't actually need everybody in your parliament

00:49:41.940 to be a big media performer.

00:49:44.620 Like doing this, what we do, right,

00:49:46.620 we're quite good at it we're quite good at it right but that doesn't mean that therefore

00:49:53.020 we're good at everything how many times you see a backbencher stand up and ask a question in pmqs 0.95

00:49:59.220 and there's a stuttering moron can barely speak yeah that's quite a lot of mps are like that yes

00:50:04.720 yeah yeah i mean this the whole speaking to everything it is actually a skill i know we 0.91

00:50:09.120 make it look easy but but no it is actually a skill right i mean i i used to work in finance

00:50:14.000 and i met goodness knows how many like ceos honestly like maybe 20 30 percent of them you

00:50:20.960 could put in front of a camera and the and the others would be just as bad that doesn't mean

00:50:24.820 that they're bad ceos doesn't mean that they're bad at it like if you if you're if you've got

00:50:29.580 heart trouble and you're going to go and see a surgeon you don't look for the one that would

00:50:34.020 be good on camera in fact most of the surgeons i was speaking to a surgeon not lots of not so long

00:50:38.580 ago he would bomb in front of a camera but doesn't mean he's not a good surgeon so i mean that that

00:50:45.340 that line uh that that can just all go out the window as well and actually even to be honest if

00:50:49.960 you go back and you watch the earliest clips of nigel frage on camera he was really wooden as

00:50:56.100 well it's just a skill it's just a skill you learn just being comfortable i think with most things in

00:51:01.720 life you're comfortable in and of your own skin yes and then you get used to the pressure yes of

00:51:09.340 it which become where it's second nature there's no pressure yeah then fine but also knowing what

00:51:15.320 you're talking about makes it better oh it helps yeah these people i don't know if these people

00:51:21.160 know what they're talking about it helps yeah certainly yeah yeah hundreds and and honestly

00:51:26.320 you don't want to get

00:51:27.420 into a situation

00:51:28.220 where your parliament

00:51:29.060 is 650 podcasters

00:51:31.300 right

00:51:32.100 that would be

00:51:33.060 an absolute

00:51:34.340 effing disaster

00:51:35.360 that would be

00:51:36.060 an epic

00:51:36.600 epic mess

00:51:37.720 too many egos

00:51:38.980 yes

00:51:39.380 there is that

00:51:39.900 but I mean

00:51:42.400 actually

00:51:42.880 reform

00:51:44.260 haven't actually

00:51:45.000 thought this through

00:51:45.720 right

00:51:46.040 and I can't

00:51:47.160 what a surprise

00:51:47.720 yes

00:51:48.020 and nobody

00:51:49.680 nobody has mentioned this

00:51:50.900 and I can't

00:51:51.260 I can't believe

00:51:51.680 nobody has mentioned this

00:51:52.640 but they

00:51:54.560 they should

00:51:54.980 they should actually

00:51:55.720 want

00:51:56.320 Andy Burnham to win.

00:51:57.980 I mean, he's not going to.

00:51:59.060 The store's going to win.

00:51:59.860 But they should want Andy Burnham to win

00:52:02.060 because then they can run for mayor of Manchester

00:52:05.780 and that's actually a bigger prize.

00:52:11.200 It'd be funny, wouldn't it,

00:52:12.040 if Andy Burnham doesn't win the by-election

00:52:13.620 and someone other than Labour wins the mayor of Manchester.

00:52:19.700 That would be funny, wouldn't it?

00:52:21.160 It would be, yeah.

00:52:22.700 But if they get him out of the way,

00:52:24.520 well they they could go for the mayor and manager and that's actually a bigger job that's more

00:52:29.580 important and that and then they're then they've got real executive experience under their belt so

00:52:35.080 i don't know they haven't thought it through uh but i mean ultimately the reason why restore should

00:52:40.100 win and it is a silly it is a silly question i do think should i make this segment it's like yeah

00:52:44.320 i will because loads of people are talking about it okay the reason why restore should run a

00:52:48.300 candidate is because you literally already have five left-wing parties to choose from

00:52:53.460 yeah right lib dems labor green tories restore all of them don't want to do mass deportations

00:53:03.300 all of them want to try and um pursue a strategy of you know winning over the um the colonizers

00:53:14.300 vote got five parties that are doing that already yeah why can't we have one party that is actually

00:53:22.680 trying to do something different actually trying to um i always saw it as um i came closer in my

00:53:30.280 mind immediately was there's not really any good reason not to but there are very good reasons to

00:53:37.280 yeah right yeah the only reason not to is you want to you want to hold on to this sort of

00:53:41.860 this aura of having a complete clean sweep at Great Yarmouth

00:53:47.000 and you don't want to dent that sort of winning aura.

00:53:50.920 That's the only even half-decent argument to not do it.

00:53:55.580 Well, yeah.

00:53:56.060 And there is an argument to be made there.

00:53:58.400 I get it.

00:53:59.020 I reject it because it's just sort of crappy, 0.97

00:54:02.600 almost cowardice to try and sit back on your laurels. 0.95

00:54:05.780 No, I mean...

00:54:06.800 And I don't know any other argument why Restore shouldn't.

00:54:10.280 there is also the other beta from the perspective of restore they have to boost their recognizability

00:54:19.140 yeah in public yeah exactly right you do this by running yeah right and in some cases you may lose

00:54:26.620 because this is politics and no party wins every constituency but you do this in order to boost

00:54:33.920 your public uh recognition you can't be afraid of losing sadly uh yeah elections have no no

00:54:40.260 So, Stelios is exactly right.

00:54:43.060 You need to do the work.

00:54:44.960 Now, as Rupert has tweeted out here,

00:54:47.560 you need to turn up.

00:54:49.140 If you want to save your country,

00:54:50.640 it's no good just occasionally putting a YouTube comment

00:54:53.660 or watching the right video.

00:54:56.480 You have to actually do the work.

00:54:58.200 If you are anywhere near...

00:54:59.840 I mean, I live literally on the south coast.

00:55:03.260 I don't have to drive very far before I'm in the English Channel.

00:55:06.460 I'm going to try and go up.

00:55:07.320 I'm going to go.

00:55:08.000 I will go up in the week before.

00:55:09.960 Yes.

00:55:10.260 maybe even more than once so if you want to save your country turn up do the work do what we did

00:55:17.520 in great yarmouth again but you have to do the work it's not it's not all on rupert or the

00:55:22.560 candidate or a team of like five guys around him it's up to you if you want to save your country

00:55:28.180 do the work but also just one thing to say that even if people do the work in a particular

00:55:35.080 constituency and Restore doesn't win in that constituency, it doesn't mean that their effort

00:55:41.820 was all for nothing. No, we're going for the win though. Going for the win. No, that's what I want

00:55:47.820 to tell people is that all of it is just boosting public recognition. And this happens by every

00:55:54.080 party that runs. It has people who go down on the street to do on-street activities to boost that

00:56:02.080 party's public recognition

00:56:04.280 and they don't

00:56:06.020 no party wins in every constituency

00:56:08.100 but that doesn't mean that they don't

00:56:10.240 help their parties. I think you

00:56:11.860 saw absolutely and it seems

00:56:14.160 like at the very top Rupert and the

00:56:16.140 few guys around him made the calculation

00:56:17.620 that I had

00:56:19.720 is you can't be afraid

00:56:22.200 of losing, you can't be

00:56:23.880 paralysed by the possibility you might

00:56:26.040 lose. Fortune favours the bold

00:56:28.220 Right, yeah 1.00

00:56:29.260 He who dares rodders

00:56:31.560 You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

00:56:34.780 Right, yeah.

00:56:35.460 And that's what politics is,

00:56:36.640 is trying and failing most of the time, right?

00:56:40.940 So if you let that sort of destroy your morale,

00:56:46.140 if you let that paralyze you,

00:56:47.660 then you're not in the right game.

00:56:49.640 If you don't answer the cold, the answer is always a no.

00:56:53.920 What was that?

00:56:54.800 If you don't answer the cold, the answer is always a no.

00:56:57.680 Can't win lottery if you don't buy a ticket.

00:56:59.040 and you know what i was saying there is i think farad ran for parliament like a dozen times or

00:57:05.120 something it's not also how hard you hit it's also how hard you can get hit and move forward

00:57:10.720 there's a number of these aren't there there's a number of them we can throw quotes whatever

00:57:17.280 didn't kill me wasn't trying hard enough that sort of thing yes right and we've got some

00:57:21.660 Comment to e-comments, right.

00:57:26.460 Chaddy says,

00:57:27.880 day three of canvassing spoke to about 50-plus locals personally.

00:57:32.740 I don't want to feel overconfident.

00:57:34.380 It's hard not to.

00:57:35.640 Even got an aim high, vote low from a car driving by.

00:57:39.540 We need feet on the ground.

00:57:40.960 Well done, Chaddy 304. 1.00

00:57:43.200 You're doing the work.

00:57:46.920 Fortunet Barber says,

00:57:48.400 I'm sorry I missed the Bo Dade experience this morning.

00:57:50.980 only breakfast show worth

00:57:53.060 watching

00:57:53.700 no lies detected

00:57:56.180 no lies detected on that one

00:57:57.680 that is all 100% true

00:58:00.480 Haring

00:58:01.940 Go

00:58:04.240 Haring

00:58:05.640 somebody says

00:58:07.740 if Restore received the same number of votes

00:58:10.560 as Advanced UK did in the by-election

00:58:12.300 what would Restore's best response

00:58:14.440 be to that sort of defeat? I don't think

00:58:16.200 this would happen by the way, well it's not going to happen so

00:58:18.160 they don't really need

00:58:20.520 to respond to it

00:58:21.180 yeah

00:58:21.620 advance got

00:58:22.820 that was really

00:58:24.600 a crushing

00:58:25.680 crushing

00:58:27.180 humiliating defeat

00:58:28.080 wasn't it

00:58:28.520 yeah

00:58:28.820 I feel sorry for

00:58:29.520 Nick

00:58:29.980 but they did

00:58:30.620 yeah

00:58:31.080 was it

00:58:31.560 Nick Buckley

00:58:32.520 poor old Nick Buckley

00:58:33.400 sort of sacrificial lamb

00:58:35.180 problem with advance

00:58:36.060 is they just don't have

00:58:36.760 the energy behind them

00:58:38.180 and the store does

00:58:39.960 no one's dying

00:58:41.100 for Ben Habib

00:58:41.840 to be the prime minister

00:58:42.980 are they

00:58:43.320 not really

00:58:44.020 nice enough chap

00:58:45.120 sure

00:58:45.980 but yeah

00:58:47.160 Sigilsohn's

00:58:49.640 oh this is quite funny

00:58:50.360 Sigilsohn says

00:58:51.540 Andy Burnham looks like

00:58:52.660 he's about to be cast

00:58:53.500 in the Odyssey

00:58:54.060 yes

00:58:56.640 Cookie Boy says

00:58:59.600 restore reform

00:59:00.860 and the Tories can't

00:59:02.180 restore reform

00:59:03.280 and the Tories can't lose

00:59:04.380 if Andy Burnham wins

00:59:05.820 the government doesn't change

00:59:08.020 but restore taking part

00:59:09.520 will show how much support

00:59:10.740 the right wing has

00:59:11.380 I mean that's what they really

00:59:12.360 that's why they really want

00:59:13.400 him to step down

00:59:14.220 is because as soon as they see

00:59:15.780 the level of support

00:59:17.240 that he has outside Great Yarmouth

00:59:18.620 the conversation changes

00:59:20.300 Interesting to see. That is the nature of by-elections, well, all parliamentary elections. You get a result, don't you? It's sort of black and white, fairly skull-crushing yes or no, one way or the other. You win or you lose, don't you?

00:59:38.500 So, there we go.

00:59:41.580 We'll see what actually happens.

00:59:43.480 See what happens there.

00:59:46.240 It's a brutal thing, really.

00:59:48.800 Right?

00:59:49.460 Like what happened with Nick Buckley.

00:59:52.840 It's fairly brutal, isn't it?

00:59:55.980 And you get like 67 votes or 57 votes.

00:59:58.180 And the tough thing is, he was actually the best candidate.

01:00:01.700 Yeah, Nick Buckley is well all right, isn't he?

01:00:03.580 Yep.

01:00:03.900 Himself.

01:00:04.520 Yep.

01:00:05.180 Nick is great.

01:00:06.000 Yeah, I feel really sorry for him.

01:00:07.660 Yep.

01:00:09.220 All right.

01:00:09.740 Yeah.

01:00:11.240 Shall I do my segment then?

01:00:13.560 Go on then.

01:00:14.380 All right.

01:00:16.300 Let me just get my document ready.

01:00:19.240 Here we go.

01:00:19.960 All right.

01:00:22.900 Some people have noticed, haven't they,

01:00:25.000 that the reform ranks seem to be filled with sort of ex-Tories.

01:00:30.420 Are they?

01:00:31.080 Yeah.

01:00:32.200 Oh, yeah.

01:00:32.600 No, actually, no, you're right.

01:00:33.580 I had noticed that, yeah. 1.00

01:00:34.820 The irony that some old Tory boy term reform tards 1.00

01:00:38.720 try and tarnish, restore, they're all Tories. 0.99

01:00:44.700 Rupert was a Tory, they're all Tories.

01:00:46.740 Yep.

01:00:48.360 Really?

01:00:49.160 You're going to go with that argument, really?

01:00:50.820 I mean, as a private voter, yeah, like half the country was.

01:00:55.960 It was only a few years ago when that was the only option.

01:00:58.760 Yes. 0.99

01:00:59.240 That it was even vaguely even pretending to wear the skin suit 0.96

01:01:02.240 of being sent a rat.

01:01:03.080 I mean, he doesn't have literal Tory ministers in his party.

01:01:08.880 Right.

01:01:10.520 So the thing that, not just like some sort of junior Tory ministers,

01:01:15.520 but people that were actually kind of at the heart of government.

01:01:18.080 So Nadine Doris, for example, Doris, she was like the culture secretary.

01:01:23.120 I think she was at Health for a while and then she was the culture secretary.

01:01:27.240 Or Robert Jenrick, or Bobby Jenrick,

01:01:30.280 who's an actual immigration minister during 2022.

01:01:34.060 It's insane that we have a minister for immigration.

01:01:39.000 And why aren't they called the Minister for Mass Immigration

01:01:42.040 if they're doing it in a Boris Johnson government?

01:01:45.100 The Home Secretary.

01:01:46.700 Yeah, yes.

01:01:47.940 Well, they've got one of those, haven't they?

01:01:48.920 Sue Ella Braverman.

01:01:49.840 Yeah. 0.68

01:01:50.680 I hate the argument. 0.93

01:01:51.820 Sue Ella Braverman's actually secretly based.

01:01:53.380 It was only Rishi that held her back,

01:01:54.900 and if she'd got her own way,

01:01:55.780 she would have been super-based and saved us. 0.97

01:01:58.540 Come on.

01:01:59.580 And as soon as they become prime minister, it's like,

01:02:03.140 well, I want to do it, but I'm not king, so I can't do it.

01:02:05.980 And then it would be, oh, no, I'm not God yet.

01:02:08.560 Or whatever it is, there's always one extra layer.

01:02:11.160 Hand-wringing, pearl-clutching.

01:02:12.200 Oh, it's the ECHR.

01:02:13.300 Oh, it's the permanent secretary's in the cabinet office.

01:02:16.280 Weak, weak, weak.

01:02:16.960 And by the way, just on Nadine Doris,

01:02:20.060 it appears that her only qualification was being a Boris fanatic.

01:02:24.460 Well, yeah. 0.99

01:02:25.420 Well, she certainly wasn't any sort of strong politician.

01:02:29.020 In fact, this segment, I want to talk about two things,

01:02:32.820 two things that the old Tories did that helped ruin this country

01:02:38.900 during the Tory years, and now they're reformed people

01:02:41.820 and they're trying to peddle to you that they'll fix it, right?

01:02:47.260 So one, the first one with Nadine, Nadine,

01:02:52.280 and the online safety bill is a great tweet from Morgoth.

01:02:58.720 Let's just watch this.

01:02:59.820 Oh, he says, good morning.

01:03:01.120 Here's Nadine Doris rapping on TikTok 0.95

01:03:03.120 in support of the Online Harms Act,

01:03:07.360 which she now wants to abolish

01:03:08.500 because it censored her new party, Reform UK.

01:03:10.700 But here's sort of an older clip.

01:03:12.940 Joking, she's not...

01:03:13.660 This is how we're improving online safety.

01:03:15.480 The UK is passing from new legislation

01:03:17.720 to make the internet safer for the younger generation.

01:03:21.000 It's effectively a framework to protect internet users

01:03:23.620 from scams, illegal content and anonymous abusers.

01:03:26.280 It will force big tech to stop their terms being breached

01:03:28.900 and puts in measures to defend free speech.

01:03:31.760 But is it true it will impact freedom of expression?

01:03:34.820 No, we've put in legal protections in the 19th section.

01:03:37.720 Another thing we're doing for the laws we're passing

01:03:39.620 is tackling online crime and cyber-flashing.

01:03:42.800 If companies fail to comply with the law,

01:03:45.200 fail to protect the users that they're responsible for,

01:03:48.020 the regulator Ofcom will have the power to find,

01:03:50.540 so platforms must keep people safe online.

01:03:54.600 Oh, good God, that was painful.

01:03:56.280 I mean, step one, step one, take your editor 1.00

01:03:59.280 and shoot him through the back of the head. 1.00

01:04:01.500 Step two, never make content again, because that was horrendous. 1.00

01:04:07.440 Well, the key point is that there's this online safety bill

01:04:10.020 to just censor the internet, basically.

01:04:12.040 Just censor it because it was to save children from harm.

01:04:15.080 Oh, yeah.

01:04:15.640 Okay.

01:04:16.960 But it's okay.

01:04:17.800 Not from horrific things in real life being done to them.

01:04:21.580 No, no.

01:04:22.020 No, it's to make them all watch adolescence.

01:04:24.400 Yes. 1.00

01:04:24.880 We'll flood the country with foreign barbarians and sex criminals and things, 1.00

01:04:28.240 but online they'll be slightly more safe. 1.00

01:04:32.900 But it's okay, according to Dorries,

01:04:35.180 because Ofcom will have the power to find

01:04:38.360 and they've got legal protections in there to stop it from going too far,

01:04:43.320 she said.

01:04:44.540 Because no law in Britain has ever unintentionally gone too far,

01:04:48.480 like anti-terror legislation,

01:04:50.640 which is now regularly being used

01:04:52.040 because people put their bins out on the wrong day.

01:04:54.880 Yeah, we've got no examples of that.

01:04:57.620 Yeah.

01:04:58.260 So, and that was only back in 2022, 2023.

01:05:01.520 Yes.

01:05:01.760 That bill took years to get through.

01:05:03.200 They started in like 2019, that bill,

01:05:05.700 and eventually I think it was finally finished in like 2023,

01:05:08.620 became law.

01:05:09.940 So only like two and a half, three years later,

01:05:12.600 and the Labour government have used it to ban,

01:05:18.240 or they got TikTok to at least ban Zia Yusuf's video,

01:05:22.380 which actually is not a bad video.

01:05:25.840 Obviously, we're anti-reform here 1.00

01:05:27.560 and I don't want this Sri Lankan man 1.00

01:05:29.560 to be my prime minister, my home secretary. 1.00

01:05:31.740 But he makes some half-decent points.

01:05:32.900 He's pretty based in what he's saying.

01:05:34.440 You're going to show us...

01:05:35.440 No, we don't need to.

01:05:36.180 Okay.

01:05:36.880 You don't really need to.

01:05:38.080 You know what he says.

01:05:41.200 And now Doris realises the error of her ways. 0.97

01:05:45.000 Oh, does she?

01:05:45.700 Why we must scrap the Online Safety Act.

01:05:47.780 Again, she was at the absolute heart of it.

01:05:50.080 she says in this article about how she was at the heart of the whole thing from beginning to end

01:05:54.480 why we must scrap it i mean honestly when you are dealing with politics and you must be aware of

01:06:02.100 such a thing as political discourse and the discourse regarding the online safety act and

01:06:07.900 and and you know uh equivalent policies isn't that rare it's not an arcane topic it's one of the most

01:06:17.100 tiresome topics. You hear again and again and again. So you cannot be, how old is she? I don't

01:06:24.140 know how old, but she's an adult. You cannot be so much in politics, so many years and just say,

01:06:30.720 okay, I just changed my mind right now. They had the argument before. They are playing the

01:06:36.760 argument that, well, it was a different government. And then there was different leadership. And under

01:06:42.600 the leadership of Farage now it's going to be different than it was under the leadership of

01:06:47.340 Bojo but the question is no you're the response is no you're a you're an adult you're making the

01:06:54.880 argument that she sort of thought about it before doing it yeah I'm charitable but the point is that

01:07:00.080 you're an adult and you could have resigned and say no this policy is something I don't agree with

01:07:05.700 And, Bo, I haven't read this article, but does she by any chance explain why it is a bad bill?

01:07:13.560 And are those explanations by any chance the exact arguments that we were making before she did it?

01:07:19.520 A lot of them, yes.

01:07:20.560 Right, okay.

01:07:21.220 Yeah.

01:07:21.380 So in this article, she says, originally, I'll paraphrase, originally, the whole idea was to try and protect children, right?

01:07:31.420 And, you know, there's certain like TikTok trends or whatever.

01:07:35.700 going around sort of encouraging kids to commit suicide.

01:07:38.160 Horrible, horrible things.

01:07:39.900 There was a decent argument to try and do something to curb that.

01:07:44.980 OK, maybe. All right.

01:07:47.020 Or just like crazy and like the internet being flooded with pornography, say,

01:07:51.860 and you don't have to do or verify or click anything.

01:07:54.460 All right. OK, maybe. All right.

01:07:55.700 So that's how it started.

01:07:57.640 But then she describes the process where over the years

01:08:01.940 that it took to get through Parliament,

01:08:04.700 loads and loads of different MPs

01:08:07.740 attached more and more stuff to the bill.

01:08:11.040 Well, she just did notice?

01:08:12.540 Well, she noticed,

01:08:13.880 but she completely freely admits here, 0.98

01:08:16.140 basically, that she's a complete weakling as a politician

01:08:20.020 because she let it go through. 0.61

01:08:22.360 She's arguing in this article

01:08:23.620 that she had to let that happen and go through

01:08:26.240 because otherwise they wouldn't vote for the bill at all.

01:08:30.840 Okay.

01:08:32.500 So don't do it then?

01:08:34.240 Yes, yes, right, of course.

01:08:36.020 Any politician with any trousers would not allow themselves

01:08:40.040 to be browbeaten and bullied by some backbencher like that.

01:08:43.400 Okay, well, we'll scrap the whole thing

01:08:44.800 and we'll make the argument to the public if we even need to.

01:08:48.580 There's you guys that ruined the act, not us.

01:08:51.340 Instead, she's just like, oh, no, I couldn't really help it.

01:08:53.480 It ended up being like 280, 290 pages long with like 200,

01:08:58.820 where is it?

01:08:59.200 Let me find it.

01:08:59.700 It's right near the bottom.

01:09:00.300 yeah it ended up being 286 pages long and contained 241 clauses that's not what we meant

01:09:06.940 to begin with it became a christmas tree on which everyone else just hanged their extra little thing

01:09:12.040 about about internet censorship i mean if i want to get a weekly what kind of minister is that

01:09:18.080 what kind of government is that to let that happen if i want to get a train to oxford

01:09:22.200 and the guy at the counter is only willing to sell me a ticket on the basis that i also sign

01:09:27.020 for 15 years working in a Chinese salt mine.

01:09:29.920 I'm going to say, yeah, I'm not going to do that then.

01:09:33.380 Yeah, right, yeah.

01:09:35.000 But she could see that it was 286 pages long

01:09:40.120 before she put it through a vote.

01:09:42.780 She could see what was in it and then was like,

01:09:46.040 yeah, but I've started now, so I guess I just have to carry on.

01:09:50.440 Yeah.

01:09:51.840 My boss wants this act to go through,

01:09:55.040 So even though it's morphed into something completely different,

01:09:57.760 something monstrous really,

01:10:00.140 now unleashed some sort of monster on the country of censorship,

01:10:04.940 but she sort of did it anyway.

01:10:06.940 Why can't we go back to having the politics of when your boss tells you 1.00

01:10:11.040 you do something stupid, you say no. 1.00

01:10:14.140 And if he says, oh, well, I'll fire you and replace you, 1.00

01:10:16.140 then you go, okay, fine, do that.

01:10:17.860 You've got to do that then.

01:10:18.900 Yeah, go on then.

01:10:19.880 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:20.900 Well, because she's just obviously a very, very weak person politically, morally even, an absolute weakling, an empty bag of a woman. 1.00

01:10:31.340 Oh, but now she's in reform and they're looking at forming a government in a few years. 1.00

01:10:34.820 She's going to fix it all, is she?

01:10:37.800 She's going to fix it all.

01:10:38.920 No, no, no. 0.94

01:10:39.580 This is someone who is not fit for office.

01:10:43.180 I mean, it shouldn't work like that in politics.

01:10:44.500 So, I mean, to be fair, the other day,

01:10:46.820 one of my kids was transporting a plate full of peas and dropped the peas.

01:10:52.100 So I said, you have to pick them up again because you dropped them.

01:10:55.640 That's fair enough when it's peas.

01:10:57.520 When it's literally running the country and you screw it up,

01:11:02.160 you don't get to be the one that fixes it.

01:11:04.300 No, you have to be taken well away from it and then never be involved ever again.

01:11:10.000 Yeah.

01:11:11.440 Nadine Doris, you've failed so hard,

01:11:13.420 You should, by rights, never be anywhere near power ever again.

01:11:19.520 But it's the exact same people.

01:11:20.500 This is the frustration of why I think a lot of people,

01:11:23.380 even people that have been supporters of reform up until now,

01:11:26.840 they see someone like Nadim Zouhari or they see someone like Robert Jenrick

01:11:30.320 or Suela Breverman, Suela Breverman, Home Secretary during the height

01:11:34.760 of our invasion.

01:11:35.820 And the literal immigration. 0.98

01:11:36.700 And that they're going to fix it. 0.80

01:11:38.120 Yeah, and the literal immigration. 0.90

01:11:39.120 Well, let's move on to that then.

01:11:40.300 And let's move on to the second example in this segment of Mr. Jenrick.

01:11:45.020 Mr. Jenrick now thinks he is the one to call out Labour immigration failures

01:11:51.360 and the problems we're facing with immigration.

01:11:55.320 Immigration is substantially lower under even Labour

01:11:58.280 than it was under him when he was the immigration minister.

01:12:01.540 Substantially lower.

01:12:02.580 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:04.120 Wasn't he responsible personally for flooding us with loads of Afghans?

01:12:10.300 didn't he write an article well he did quite a reasonably long article all about how proud he is

01:12:16.980 that afghan nationals will be spread across the length and breadth of this country because it was 0.99

01:12:23.280 the morally right thing for us to do nothing nothing puts more pride in the heart of a globalist 1.00

01:12:30.280 be they a tory globalist or reformed globalist as seeing people from third world countries

01:12:38.100 thrust into the streets walking down the same streets as our wives and daughters

01:12:42.960 his name was wayne broadhurst robert the man's name was wayne broadhurst get a load of this

01:12:51.120 and remember you're listening to a man who was at the heart of government during our invasion

01:12:55.660 the height of our invasion vandy burnham wins he becomes prime minister and he'll let 1.6

01:13:02.220 million migrants become british citizens most of whom pay little or no tax costing us hundreds 0.60

01:13:08.880 of billions he won't stop the boats or deport those here it's rich isn't it you didn't stop 1.00

01:13:14.280 the boats mate you had an opportunity to at least make a strong enough argument in cabinet to stop

01:13:21.240 the boats you didn't did you you're going to moan about 1.6 more immigrants that's rich yeah

01:13:28.120 Legally, he'll cram them in HMOs in places like Wigan.

01:13:32.560 Chamore next door to me, down there.

01:13:34.040 Several over there.

01:13:34.820 One or two down there.

01:13:35.880 He's over six, seven houses.

01:13:37.760 And he won't stop the benefits bill from ballooning either.

01:13:40.260 In fact, he said he wants to increase your taxes to pay for it.

01:13:44.940 Be quiet, Robert.

01:13:46.620 The cheek of this is calling.

01:13:50.300 It's off the charts, isn't it?

01:13:52.240 You are the one who brought them in so that they get put in HMOs.

01:13:56.940 The only difference is you were putting them mainly in hotels rather than HMOs,

01:14:01.000 and now Labour are putting them mainly in HMOs as opposed to hotels.

01:14:04.980 But you're the one who brought them in.

01:14:07.200 The exact same people.

01:14:09.120 Yes.

01:14:10.360 Like Breverman.

01:14:11.160 They want Breverman.

01:14:12.600 They want generic.

01:14:13.380 They want Dorries.

01:14:15.600 What is Nigel's, what is reform strategy?

01:14:19.360 Oh, and then their little gang of sycophants will try and throw shade

01:14:24.580 at Restore for being Tory. 1.00

01:14:26.940 it's risible isn't it it's risible these are scumbags they're all part of the exact same 0.99

01:14:35.320 containment project the wef the globalist uni party blob 0.97

01:14:42.260 what more evidence do you need than it's the exact individuals that were in the boris government

01:14:49.760 and various tory governments i mean how more clear could it be i mean it'd be one thing if it was just

01:14:56.180 other tories and you could make the argument okay well they've had other tories come into the party

01:15:02.520 and that and they belong to a party that did the thing that you're complaining about but it's

01:15:08.240 literally the same man yeah he was immigration minister yeah no i'll just throw something into

01:15:15.960 the mix he seems to me to be the kind of person who would say well i was sort of following orders

01:15:21.660 If you confronted him with the Boris wave, he would tell you, basically, I was following orders.

01:15:28.680 The question is, if from reform, from a reform perspective, the idea is, right, let us find yes men to have around us and boost our public recognition because they're famous Tories.

01:15:44.640 Yeah, I can see the angle.

01:15:48.020 What a nonsense one it is, though, right?

01:15:49.500 boost it with people that are shown to have been traitors essentially yeah and the of course the

01:15:57.540 argument if i was merely following orders doesn't hold water not since nuremberg okay yes in the

01:16:02.860 pre-1945 era that argument usually did hold but not since 1945 but people do give it sadly yeah

01:16:09.380 yeah it's not an excuse yeah and um what's the argument you just made what's the last one you

01:16:15.420 made because I was going to build on that point um well that is literally him oh yeah so for

01:16:21.200 example you get someone like um Andrew Rosendale he was he was a Tory MP this whole time he's been

01:16:27.560 Tory MP for many many years used to be my MP in Romford Andrew Rosendale a rotten egg of a man 0.99

01:16:33.060 real real sort of real idiot weirdo but um he was never in government he was then he would never 0.98

01:16:38.480 anywhere near government none of the Tory governments over that 14 years wanted Rosendale 1.00

01:16:42.740 because he's a buffoon. 0.99

01:16:44.320 They all think of him as a buffoon. 1.00

01:16:46.520 Well, he is one. 0.97

01:16:48.080 So, okay, he was a Tory that whole time,

01:16:50.120 but he had nothing to do with any decision-making or anything.

01:16:53.040 So, okay, fair enough.

01:16:53.900 You make a fair point.

01:16:54.960 Yeah, in that sense, Andrew Rosendale,

01:16:56.720 can't particularly blame him,

01:16:57.760 but you're looking at Nadim Zahari,

01:17:01.480 Suella Breverman, Robert Jenrick, Nadim Dorries.

01:17:04.760 They are the same individuals.

01:17:07.820 So, Nadim Zahari...

01:17:09.280 Nadim Zahari. 0.89

01:17:12.740 was was the vaccine minister yeah so that so not only do we really not like the mass immigration

01:17:19.700 that happened under boris the other thing that we really don't like was all the vaccine nonsense

01:17:25.380 and the covid nonsense but he's got both of them he hasn't gone and got like desmond swain from the

01:17:30.720 back benches or something i'd be quite happy that he didn't get there like the minister for

01:17:34.500 reading children's bedtime stories or whatever no he went out and he got the three no actually

01:17:41.680 the four worst people of all the worst stuff.

01:17:46.840 The immigration minister, the home secretary

01:17:48.920 who oversaw all the immigration,

01:17:51.240 the online harms bill minister,

01:17:53.720 and the COVID minister.

01:17:56.540 I mean, it's literally Skeletor's main team. 0.99

01:18:01.240 It's the four horsemen of the shit Boris government. 0.98

01:18:05.640 And those are the specific guys that they picked out. 0.99

01:18:09.060 and and the argument is yeah but we feel bad about it now so vote for us yeah we realize the

01:18:16.860 yeah the only way it could be worse if they actually got preety patel or maybe james cleverly

01:18:20.740 so those two i would put up there with braverman as well yeah so it's like people really don't 0.95

01:18:27.560 like the fact we've been flooded with let's say specifically afghanistan afghanis who per capita

01:18:32.600 commit an insane amount of violent and sex crime an insane amount per capita people don't like the

01:18:38.720 People have noticed, again, his name was Wayne Broadhouse.

01:18:40.900 People don't like that.

01:18:41.960 I know, I know, let's get Robert Jenrick to be at the top,

01:18:48.820 near the very, very top of reform.

01:18:50.640 Okay, all right, well, there you go.

01:18:53.120 I just say it's not really, it's not going to be lost on many people

01:18:57.100 what reform have decided to do with their senior leadership team.

01:19:02.700 Well, good, really, from a restore point of view.

01:19:05.840 I mean, it might be lost on some of them,

01:19:07.400 But, I mean, it's so obvious.

01:19:10.600 Yeah.

01:19:11.820 And yet they'll criticise Rupert for being an ex-Tory years and years ago

01:19:16.400 when there was no other option.

01:19:17.620 Okay.

01:19:20.060 Yeah, quite.

01:19:21.620 All right.

01:19:22.320 I noticed there was a poll.

01:19:25.480 He made a poll, Samson.

01:19:26.700 He did.

01:19:27.660 Do you want to know what it says?

01:19:29.220 Go on then.

01:19:29.980 It says, who is the best dressed today?

01:19:33.800 11,000 votes so far.

01:19:35.500 Really?

01:19:35.760 I have zero votes.

01:19:38.080 Literally zero votes.

01:19:39.640 Is that possible?

01:19:40.880 Is this real?

01:19:41.500 I can't see it on my screen.

01:19:44.600 Okay.

01:19:46.140 Stelios has 21% of the vote.

01:19:49.620 I think you're nicely turned out.

01:19:51.140 You've done a tie and everything.

01:19:53.040 And Bo has 78.57% of the votes.

01:20:03.120 Chad, me.

01:20:03.960 What's funny?

01:20:04.420 oh cheers yeah this is a relatively new suit a brand new tie as well so i could i could

01:20:09.980 presumably get one vote mind you i didn't even vote for myself so yeah there is that at least

01:20:15.880 i'm not scruff maxing if i were scruff maxing today that would definitely not scruff down

01:20:21.060 this is this is i think i'm reasonably turned out you're not even wearing a necktie sir

01:20:25.500 you don't have to i don't judge you it's fine but i worked in finance i didn't even do that

01:20:31.420 I just had the jacket and a T-shirt.

01:20:33.380 All right.

01:20:33.860 Okay, fine.

01:20:35.780 I'm thinking about starting wearing a tyre pin through there.

01:20:39.500 I feel like that's too much, like that's a bit try-hard.

01:20:42.260 I'm already a bit try-hard, right?

01:20:43.880 I don't want to overdo it.

01:20:46.300 We need to do it completely over the top next week, right?

01:20:49.880 Completely over the top.

01:20:51.360 How with a tuxedo or something?

01:20:53.040 Yeah, a tux, a full bow tie.

01:20:55.200 Stud buttons, James Bond style.

01:20:57.880 You need a bow tie.

01:20:59.020 At some point, I'm just going to be pushed too far

01:21:00.920 and I'm going to come in in full, like, late 18th century,

01:21:05.440 like, the get-up, the full works.

01:21:09.360 I might have to go Elizabethan then with a ruff.

01:21:15.300 Let's hear from Soph, shall we?

01:21:17.460 I can't believe you guys had two segments about Nolan's Yardisi

01:21:22.600 and no segments about open communist and the circus making animal farm.

01:21:29.600 Oh, yeah.

01:21:30.340 And then he outright said he didn't want to make the movie political.

01:21:35.160 I could swear that book had some theme about changing sentences,

01:21:41.080 changes the meaning and stuff like that.

01:21:46.340 Look at this beard, Drew.

01:21:48.120 It's cute.

01:21:50.940 Yeah, we should do a segment about that animal farm thing.

01:21:55.020 Yeah, we should.

01:21:55.620 It's been out for a while now, has it?

01:21:57.040 I don't know.

01:21:57.440 yeah that looks like

01:21:59.380 true subversion

01:22:00.540 something that was

01:22:01.500 actually quite good

01:22:02.240 Orwell's Animal Farm

01:22:03.120 they subverted

01:22:04.540 George Orwell

01:22:05.540 yeah

01:22:06.120 Jesus

01:22:07.180 made it sort of

01:22:08.040 child friend

01:22:08.780 we'll have to do it

01:22:09.840 at some point

01:22:10.260 I mean me and Connor

01:22:11.300 Connor Tomlinson

01:22:12.080 back in the old studio

01:22:13.600 so a while ago now

01:22:14.480 three years ago or more

01:22:15.440 something like that

01:22:15.920 we did a two part

01:22:17.180 long form two part

01:22:18.460 thing breaking down

01:22:19.840 Animal Farm

01:22:20.440 the original Orwell text

01:22:21.760 in quite a lot of detail

01:22:23.180 so what is it

01:22:24.360 two hours

01:22:25.180 three hours worth

01:22:26.040 of content

01:22:26.580 about that, so check that out

01:22:28.740 on lowcetis.com. By the way, Samson,

01:22:30.700 can we turn the volume up slightly

01:22:32.520 because I'm mildly concerned there might be

01:22:34.540 some older people on the panel who don't

01:22:36.580 hear so good. Right, play

01:22:38.600 the next one, please.

01:22:41.300 I want to ask you a

01:22:42.640 question. Kia Starber

01:22:44.760 is...

01:22:45.760 Kia Starber is...

01:22:48.820 Kia Starber is...

01:22:50.820 Kia Starber is...

01:22:52.820 Great! We're all

01:22:54.620 agreed on that then. 1.00

01:22:56.580 This country is a wanker. 0.99

01:23:13.400 Oh, I wonder if they started chanting Rupert Lowe's name 0.99

01:23:16.020 or something like that.

01:23:16.860 I heard at one point, I didn't watch it all,

01:23:19.080 but I did hear at one point they were chanting Rupert.

01:23:21.580 I don't know if that's true.

01:23:22.440 That's just what I heard.

01:23:23.220 Yeah, I heard that.

01:23:23.700 oh yeah we've got a cat

01:23:27.100 the best part of having a cat

01:23:29.820 is that

01:23:30.820 when it knocks over your phone your camera might break

01:23:33.760 so

01:23:34.020 the dots are your

01:23:36.160 that's when it happened

01:23:37.500 also Dan quick question

01:23:40.720 what would happen if we

01:23:43.120 changed the business tax rate to

01:23:45.220 a 5% rate

01:23:47.040 I'm thinking 1%

01:23:48.860 that's what I want to do but

01:23:50.360 5% seems more reasonable to me

01:23:53.700 well if we did that loads of businesses would relocate to the uk and then you wouldn't actually

01:23:58.380 lose much tax because people would be paying more personal tax because there'd be more work here

01:24:01.880 so i mean ireland did that for years they just demonstrated i think it was 12 with ireland or

01:24:07.660 something i can't remember what it was i think it might have been 12 and loads of businesses

01:24:11.580 relocated to ireland and then they didn't lose any tax because there were more people employed

01:24:16.480 in ireland and so they just got it on the personal tax side instead and then the eu eventually said

01:24:22.260 Yeah, but you're not allowed to have an unfair advantage.

01:24:25.060 So they just crippled themselves by going along with that

01:24:27.840 and everything else.

01:24:29.200 I always thought it weird when lefties,

01:24:31.940 people that subscribe to any sort of leftist economic theory,

01:24:35.400 try and paint countries that have much less regulation

01:24:40.640 as bad in some way. 0.90

01:24:42.700 Like, oh, Luxembourg's bad and wrong-headed and evil

01:24:46.100 for having those less regulation.

01:24:49.260 How is it?

01:24:49.940 but not trying to control

01:24:51.000 every aspect of your life

01:24:52.540 how is it

01:24:53.060 yes

01:24:53.520 they're far richer

01:24:54.540 yes

01:24:55.440 what

01:24:56.120 hmm

01:24:57.240 like

01:24:58.420 yeah like

01:24:59.100 I don't know

01:24:59.820 should we do the next one 1.00

01:25:01.920 Mecca Monday

01:25:04.260 but it's Tuesday

01:25:05.420 it is important to remember

01:25:07.300 the progressive permissiveness 1.00

01:25:08.600 of non-white violence 1.00

01:25:09.940 is a modern incarnation 0.94

01:25:11.040 of Rousseau's myth

01:25:12.160 of the normal savage

01:25:13.740 progressives believe 0.95

01:25:15.360 it is white culture 0.98

01:25:16.260 causing their violence 0.99

01:25:17.360 thus denying their agency

01:25:19.240 talk about racist

01:25:21.340 yeah it's fair enough

01:25:26.960 people sometimes poke fun

01:25:29.840 but I tell you

01:25:30.320 when the aliens invade

01:25:31.300 the man with the mech

01:25:32.160 is going to be king

01:25:32.960 he's going to be

01:25:34.680 sitting pretty then

01:25:35.580 isn't he

01:25:36.160 let me see the film

01:25:37.620 I think it's

01:25:39.300 is it Robot Wars

01:25:40.540 where there's like

01:25:41.200 giant mech warriors

01:25:42.540 the size of a block of flats

01:25:43.660 and they fight each other

01:25:45.300 in giant arenas

01:25:46.560 for the spectacle of it

01:25:48.520 I'd buy that for a dollar

01:25:50.140 I'd watch that

01:25:51.220 I'll go along with that

01:25:52.000 let's do the next one

01:25:53.980 I was voted a segment on aliens last week

01:25:56.580 I'd like to take the time to recommend the sci-fi book

01:25:58.840 Blindsight by marine biologist

01:26:00.680 Peter Watts

01:26:01.440 the story is a first contact scenario

01:26:04.380 that focuses heavily on the nature of consciousness

01:26:06.420 with it being presented in first person

01:26:08.360 from the perspective of one Siri Keaton

01:26:10.360 a lobotomite

01:26:11.640 so that should give you an idea for how

01:26:13.860 strange the book can be

01:26:15.900 interesting

01:26:18.780 I'm literally going to buy it on Amazon right now

01:26:22.080 because that sounds like my sort of book, Blindsight.

01:26:24.680 I've listened to a whole bunch of First Contact novels.

01:26:27.060 In fact, I listened to one just about a week ago.

01:26:30.620 With Aliens.

01:26:31.880 Did he say it was by Matt Johnson?

01:26:33.840 Wasn't it Peter something?

01:26:35.960 I think...

01:26:36.640 Peter Watts.

01:26:38.040 Oh, Peter Watts.

01:26:39.900 I listened to one called Verdict the other day.

01:26:42.500 Is it an old one?

01:26:44.120 Yeah, it must be because it says a new introduction.

01:26:46.440 Have you ever read or listened to the audiobook of Contact, Carl Sagan's book?

01:26:50.340 They made a film out of it with Jodie Foster, but the book's a bit different.

01:26:52.940 That's very good, the original book.

01:26:54.440 Yeah, okay.

01:26:55.440 The film's not bad as well.

01:26:56.440 Anyway.

01:26:57.440 Oh, we've got a car.

01:26:59.440 Since the passing of Bill C-15 here in Canada, we've recognised the UN's Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples as sovereign above Canadian law,

01:27:06.440 and, last I checked, over 150% of Canadian land is being sued for by the natives,

01:27:11.440 The most significant of which is here in Vancouver, where local tribes successfully sue the government and were granted the full control over the entirety of Vancouver.

01:27:19.720 And it very much might mean the actual abolition of property rights, as has already happened in parts of White Rock.

01:27:25.120 And I've heard tell from my realtor friends that every single contract from renting to purchasing a house now comes with a caveat that property rights may no longer be guaranteed in Canada.

01:27:35.000 well the problem with this guy is he makes really good points but i'm always distracted by his car

01:27:42.200 because all i can think for the first half of that is oh that's the car that he spent like three years

01:27:47.140 working on step at a time that's what it actually looks like now and then and then i sort of snap

01:27:52.100 back to it and it's like oh bloody hell really yeah canada's mental all right yeah canada's

01:27:58.420 really bad anyway what is that an e-type what is it an f-type i don't know it's a nice car though

01:28:03.460 Hey low seaters, I'm here with you today in a very sunny Carmarthen.

01:28:11.940 Right here is the gatehouse for the castle.

01:28:15.740 The castle has existed here since the 12th century but what you're looking at here is

01:28:19.580 the remains of the gatehouse from the 15th century.

01:28:23.500 The reason why it was rebuilt was because O'Wayne Gwyndower destroyed it in his rebellion

01:28:28.620 and also here as well Edmund Tudor, father of Henry VII, died.

01:28:33.460 Did you know that, Bo?

01:28:36.600 I knew all of that, yeah.

01:28:37.760 Oh, right.

01:28:38.120 Without being too arrogant about it.

01:28:40.680 Yeah, I did a good bit of content with...

01:28:43.080 Did a really good bit of content with Shad, Shadiversity.

01:28:48.160 Right.

01:28:48.380 Talking about my favourite castles.

01:28:50.460 Carmarthen was one of my picks.

01:28:53.040 Oh, okay.

01:28:53.720 So I do know all about it, yeah.

01:28:55.200 The original thing dates from...

01:28:57.320 Oh, wait, did he say Carmarthen or Carmarthen?

01:29:00.900 I don't know.

01:29:02.720 Okay.

01:29:03.460 anyway the original one would have been edward the first longshanks era i i could not do a top

01:29:10.300 five castles because i literally only know two arundel and greyskull and that's just because

01:29:17.060 i grew up near arundel so yeah um so um we got quite a lot of videos today so i don't know if

01:29:26.340 we could do anything well let's do one comment from each shall we do one comment you want to

01:29:30.380 pick out yes let me let me find it do you want to start with yours and i can to save time because 0.99

01:29:39.540 yes michael uh drybelbius says starma used the obama strategy surround himself with idiots so 0.99

01:29:46.460 he can always be the smartest man in the room starma having the iq of a duck makes finding 1.00

01:29:51.000 somebody stupider a true race to the bottom yeah i mean i think i think some is reasonably smart 1.00

01:29:57.040 But, yeah, he's certainly surrounded himself by idiots. 1.00

01:30:00.120 Mind you, he's only got the Labour benches to pick from. 1.00

01:30:03.640 So, yeah, he's in a tough spot. 1.00

01:30:06.600 But, yeah, he's certainly surrounded by idiots. 1.00

01:30:08.640 Do you want to do one from yours, Beau? 1.00

01:30:10.720 Yeah, what did I see?

01:30:12.940 Henry Ashman says,

01:30:16.820 Well, at least we can use that rap video,

01:30:18.860 I guess it's the Nadine Dorries rap video, in future.

01:30:21.800 Put that on repeat in all detention centres

01:30:24.080 and police holding cells 24-7,

01:30:26.200 when we win

01:30:26.860 that's a cruel

01:30:27.800 and unusual

01:30:28.380 sort of torture

01:30:29.740 isn't it

01:30:30.220 yeah

01:30:30.500 subject people to that

01:30:32.220 sorry

01:30:32.620 sorry

01:30:33.460 Economic Zone 17

01:30:34.940 says putting up

01:30:35.780 stickers is terrorism

01:30:36.860 but not crushing

01:30:37.800 cars into people

01:30:38.800 isn't a paradox

01:30:40.020 yeah I know

01:30:40.640 you're right

01:30:40.920 yeah

01:30:41.300 yeah

01:30:41.560 fair point

01:30:43.800 alright

01:30:44.480 and with that

01:30:46.100 we probably better go

01:30:47.060 because we've got

01:30:47.620 some banging content 0.99

01:30:48.640 coming up on the site

01:30:50.200 very soon

01:30:51.360 it will be

01:30:51.960 oh actually no

01:30:52.480 we're going to record

01:30:54.000 me and Karl

01:30:54.700 are going to record

01:30:55.240 a political chat

01:30:55.980 in a minute but you don't get to see it until tomorrow because like editors and stuff so

01:31:00.940 actually don't get your hopes up just take the rest of the day off do something go for a walk

01:31:05.260 whatever um thank you very much see you later

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 19, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1421

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