The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 27, 2026


The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1427


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00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to this slightly delayed podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Wednesday the 27th of May
00:00:04.880 2026. I'm joined by Connor and Harry. Apparently there was a Windows update that happened this
00:00:09.080 morning and it broke a few things on the back end but hopefully we are here with you now and
00:00:13.640 we're going to be talking about basically just the meltdown that is happening about Restore Britain
00:00:18.160 at the moment which is just incredible frankly. Dan Hodges did call it, he was like look you're
00:00:23.820 feeling squeezed by them, you're going to get on them and you're going to attack them and it's
00:00:26.580 going to increase their salience, and when people are like, oh right, so I can have Restore Britain
00:00:30.220 rather than Nigel Farage's wishy-washy reform, Restore Britain are going to start gaining. So
00:00:36.460 we're going to explore it. Why is this happening? What has their response been? And what does it
00:00:42.080 reveal to us? Which I think is also more surprising than people might believe. Anyway, right, so let's
00:00:49.720 just get straight into it. Why are they currently having a meltdown over Restore Britain? Well,
00:00:53.600 it's because of polls they think polls are um well i mean is it chiseled in stone yeah destiny
00:01:01.100 yeah uh they they seem to think that the electorate is already carved up and now it's just about
00:01:07.720 settling the scores but i don't think that's the case i think that people actually change their
00:01:11.440 minds which is why reform are on parity with labor on this poll i mean that wouldn't have
00:01:16.520 happened six years ago so things must change and i think they're genuinely worried that things will
00:01:21.640 continue to change. Because of course, this came out from a very, very tiny sample of people in
00:01:26.540 Makerfield. 369 people is not a big sample. But even then, getting the 7% restore on there was
00:01:33.720 quite a shock for them. Because of course, you remember Nigel Farage said, well, they won't get
00:01:37.180 1% anywhere, even in Great Yarmouth. And that was one of the worst political predictions anyone's
00:01:42.260 ever made. It aged like milk. At least, I think this might be discounting the local level support
00:01:47.040 for restore according to the canvassing returns, not only the restore. Well, we'll get into that.
00:01:51.320 I will say at the very least, Restore have achieved parity in the local constituency as what they've been reliably getting on the national polling when prompted.
00:02:01.800 So it's holding steady.
00:02:03.300 And this was a phone survey of 509 people, and they left out those people who thought they were not likely to vote.
00:02:10.860 Well, weirdly, that's actually a huge constituency for Restore.
00:02:13.780 that's actually how they got such overwhelming victories in great yarmouth is bringing out those
00:02:19.600 people who are not people who are particularly invested in politics because they don't really
00:02:23.400 feel represented also how make a feel voted for brexit it is uh and then you got this from charlie
00:02:29.400 simpson now charlie simpson is a young journalist and uh apparently has some interesting insider
00:02:34.200 info from the reform party now take this with a grain of salt but they say that their own
00:02:39.820 reform's own canvassing results show restoring 18%. We're on about 34% and Labour 42%.
00:02:46.040 So of course, this leads into the splitting the vote narrative, as you can imagine.
00:02:50.920 I have, I received communications also from Milbank Tower trying to canter signal this
00:02:55.580 morning, insisting that only three people have control of the internal polling and canvassing
00:03:00.160 returns. And they were very eager to say, no, don't worry. Internally, reform has restored
00:03:04.740 a lot lower than seven. And I don't really believe that.
00:03:07.500 Yeah, I don't really believe it either, because, I mean, Restore's own canvassing data has been 24% for Restore, 31% definitely against, and then 44% either considering or undecided, which sounds pretty realistic, to be honest.
00:03:22.560 Well, I think this is quite high, and it may be a slight optimistic bias.
00:03:28.140 However, in this instance, if people think about it,
00:03:30.840 that makes Restore the single largest group,
00:03:34.720 because definitely against would be split between reform and labour.
00:03:38.940 I don't think you can go quite that far.
00:03:41.740 I mean, definitely against, possibly.
00:03:45.380 But undecided and considering, that's probably a lot of labour and reform.
00:03:48.840 Yes, but as in those of those who are already committed and aren't up for being won, it would
00:03:54.860 mean that Restore has the earliest eager base locked in, because I think what they've done is
00:04:00.920 they've made a... They're voting on the basis of a character judgment, and they find Nigel Farage's
00:04:04.480 character wanting, despite promising the same policies, and they're certainly not going to
00:04:07.640 vote for Andy Burnham. So they're the earliest adopters of Restore in the constituency, whereas
00:04:12.760 the largest vote block overall are people that don't have firm loyalties yet.
00:04:17.220 Yeah. So anyway, like I said, we don't know. These are actually polls that are almost a week old now. So who knows what the situation is on the ground? We're actually going to be sending a team up next week. So, you know, we'll do some, Harry and Luke will do some on the ground reporting and we'll find out what's what.
00:04:34.740 The cover northerners.
00:04:35.580 well uh you know you gotta send send the appropriate uh types of people to do the
00:04:41.080 appropriate work anyway so this kind of narrative has begun springing up in the past couple of days
00:04:47.840 where you get people like lee harpin now lee harpin writes for jewish news and they're not
00:04:53.900 very well disposed towards restore because of course uh they're not disposed towards british
00:04:58.960 patriots they're not disposed towards banning kosher slaughter yeah well i was gonna say that
00:05:02.680 And the failure to disavow radical online types who also support Restore.
00:05:07.940 And the unwillingness to have a Restore Friends of Israel branch.
00:05:10.480 Yeah.
00:05:11.020 So they don't feel particularly well disposed to Restore.
00:05:16.180 And yet, quote, spoke to a Labour source earlier, like me,
00:05:18.880 disgusted that Restore has been given a path into mainstream politics,
00:05:22.200 this by-election.
00:05:23.220 Every other door, he said of his stint up there yesterday.
00:05:26.640 I really want to post the Rupert floating in the sea with his son.
00:05:29.380 yeah i love that picture so much it's so funny um but that's that's pretty bad right if the
00:05:37.080 labor canvass is like every other door is restore britain i mean these are not people who've got in
00:05:42.320 any way they're not inclined in any way to support us to want to big us up but if they've got to give
00:05:48.040 reports like this uh that's not good uh again i spoke up to spoke to people in makefield knocking
00:05:53.680 doors in areas where it's a toss-up between reform or it's further right offshoot restore
00:05:57.200 labor perhaps rightly being seen treating the community with contempt by forcing a by-election
00:06:01.840 so this is a by-election they didn't want this is obviously being done uh cynically for strategic
00:06:07.880 internal party maneuvering and andy burnham's own slogan you know vote labor for us so yeah
00:06:13.760 well that's the thing that i mentioned yesterday on the show which was that uh if you are in
00:06:18.600 makerfield and you think about the candidates that you have available to you you've got a local
00:06:23.520 plumber boy, local business
00:06:25.520 woman, or cynical
00:06:27.620 mayor who wants his seat in Parliament. 1.00
00:06:29.820 Yeah.
00:06:30.900 Of those three, who is the
00:06:33.600 least likely to actually care about
00:06:35.520 local concerns? And it's not that
00:06:37.580 Andy Burnham doesn't have pull in the area
00:06:39.700 either, he does.
00:06:41.280 He is, I mean, he seems like
00:06:43.500 quite a nice chap, really. So
00:06:45.320 you know, what?
00:06:47.740 Really? Yeah, he seems like a friendly guy.
00:06:49.840 I think he puts on a
00:06:51.720 very...
00:06:53.520 amiable exterior but he's held pretty much every position under the sun doesn't have principles and
00:06:58.420 is also in terms of his like substantive behavior attempted to bury the grooming gang scandal in the
00:07:03.640 greater manchester backyard i have much to say on rochdale and other incidents about it for years
00:07:08.500 but that's not what i'm saying i'm saying that he seems like an amiable and likable guy right
00:07:13.700 right obviously politically i hate everything that he's done for his entire career but on a
00:07:18.880 personal level and that i think has a much greater sway on whether people will vote for you or than
00:07:24.620 people are willing to admit frankly um but anyway i was watching uh the times podcast did you know
00:07:30.360 the times have a podcast i had the same misfortune of watching this actually no no one no one watches
00:07:34.840 this podcast obviously i mean how many views has this got 14 000 views so you know very few people
00:07:39.880 watch it but what's interesting is the report on the ground samson can i play this we try playing
00:07:44.720 this same thing that's really interesting i think so we did a focus group last week i think it must
00:07:50.780 have been on tuesday evening where uh we joined a lot of these voters but remotely they were talking
00:07:56.100 uh from this constituency about what they felt and restore britain did keep coming up in a way
00:08:00.660 that i found quite surprising and i said to uh the great luke trill from more in common i asked him
00:08:05.120 whether or not that was unusual um and it was unclear to us how representative that might be
00:08:10.680 actually off the seat on tuesday evening and then by the time i got there on thursday and voters up
00:08:15.640 and down the high street that you just mentioned but also elsewhere outside sainsbury's and other
00:08:19.160 places across the constituency uh bringing up restore britain completely unprompted i should
00:08:23.560 say by us made me think actually there might be something there so i think if we can just
00:08:28.280 so that's the kind of reception that they're getting people who of course loathe what we
00:08:34.940 stand for are finding that no people are unprompted just bringing this up in conversation oh i want
00:08:41.220 to talk about politics oh you want to talk about rupert lowe do you it's like no no that wasn't
00:08:45.380 what i was thinking and yet they can't get away from it it seems to be everyone everywhere i mean
00:08:50.540 the new statesman says labor sources say that on the doorstep they're hearing as many voters
00:08:54.880 mention restore as reform so this is something organic that is bubbling up from the bottom to
00:09:01.940 reaching the surface of politics they didn't want this to be the case they did not want restore to
00:09:09.020 be anything in this constituency and they can't now pretend that it's not so keep up the pressure
00:09:16.120 everyone is doing an absolutely great job but also it's just madness to think that everyone
00:09:22.040 who is saying this is a purely online phenomena or never any cut through didn't think one everyone
00:09:28.260 is one step removed from someone who spends their time terminally online these days.
00:09:32.720 So every single person, unless they're an Ecuadorian account supporting reform, every
00:09:37.860 single person behind those accounts has political opinions and has a vote. And so they can just
00:09:42.580 take those opinions into the pub and become a brand ambassador for their particular version
00:09:47.080 of politics. And this is why at Restore Branches, I've been to a fair few, obviously you're
00:09:50.140 heading up one, there's a cross-section of people who just heard about it from various
00:09:53.820 social media platforms, word of mouth. And so it's going to be contagious if it has a
00:09:57.800 message that resonates and also this is taking on a kind of we're against the liberal establishment
00:10:02.720 vibe uh it feels honestly a lot like what happened with brexit where you've got everyone attacking
00:10:09.320 restore for even farage uh placing themselves on no we're for the traditional liberal elite
00:10:15.540 consensus and restore are some horrible evil outside of the consensus option that you definitely
00:10:23.280 aren't allowed to choose and so suddenly there's this kind of attitude of resistance that's
00:10:28.880 underpinning it and now they're like oh yeah well i mean we are getting a lot of restore there what
00:10:31.780 can we do about it not much because everything they've been trying to throw at us obviously
00:10:35.780 hasn't stuck and we'll go through some of that in a minute and so they've every attack they're
00:10:40.600 making is toothless because rupert lowe has already checkmated them by saying i don't care
00:10:44.760 it's the same dynamics the 2016 trump election yes where it's not it's not only the the vibe of
00:10:50.420 saying, you're splitting the vote, you're going to divide the right, you're going to let the
00:10:53.200 opposition win, has the same aspect as Hillary Clinton saying, happy birthday, future Madam
00:10:57.700 President, it's my turn, it's equally as entitled. But also, there was a contingent faction of the 0.93
00:11:02.900 Republican Party, you know, Ben Shapiro was part of this at the time, saying, we can never have
00:11:06.360 Trump, this is the option we're never allowed to have, so we have to forfeit this and let Hillary
00:11:11.040 Clinton take it at the time. And you're seeing the same thing from the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg,
00:11:15.380 who has turned around and said, well, the Conservative Party, the venerable party that I
00:11:18.940 identify myself as a member of needs to stand down to let reform take this yes everyone's saying
00:11:23.680 essentially is this nigel farage's time yes happy birthday mr future prime minister um not sure
00:11:29.420 about that and so the the attacks are like i said completely toothless and deeply out of touch so on
00:11:38.420 radio four this morning they characterized uh restore britain's support as angry young men
00:11:44.360 now that's not true and I very much enjoy Rupert Lowe's response here uh wrong it's millions of
00:11:50.520 young women too um but it's also not just young people uh one thing I found in my branch and with
00:11:58.000 the other branches and other groups I've been to visit is it's actually a it's like an ice core of
00:12:03.600 the entire country it's young people it's middle-aged people it's old people it's mums and
00:12:08.020 dads it's business owners it's people who are you know like regular working people who just
00:12:13.920 invested in the future of the country and think the country's heading in the wrong direction so
00:12:17.900 this is a kind of like weak and lazy smear because it's one step away from them being incels
00:12:22.420 this is the incel party it's like no this is the mum and dad party actually well that's that's why
00:12:27.180 alex phillips's attacks haven't any cut through she's saying it's the political wing of the
00:12:30.320 manosphere and it's like i'm sorry one i'd throw andro tate in prison because he's a pornographer
00:12:34.100 but two most people are just like married with kids and when you're having and i'm sorry to take
00:12:39.780 it to personal attacks when you're having Nigel Farage's mistress also interviewing Nigel Farage's
00:12:45.580 current mistress while Nigel Farage's third mistress is making up stuff about Restore on
00:12:49.500 Twitter and well none of them have intact marriages and one or two of them don't have
00:12:54.900 children of their own it's just it doesn't land no and Farage conceded this at the art conference
00:12:59.340 in 2024 when he was there didn't he he was like oh family community country I appreciate I'm not
00:13:04.340 brilliant on those things yes it's like yeah okay you're not but uh the point is no it's not an
00:13:09.960 incel party it's a mums and dads party and we've had enough and we don't care anymore which is why
00:13:15.800 the posters are going up uh people uh my biggest takeaway says sasha lord in reply to uh aaron
00:13:21.440 bastani here and again sasha is not like some massive restore supporter he's a sunday times
00:13:28.560 best-selling author my biggest takeaway was the amount of restore posters placed in people's
00:13:32.620 windows around the town center people have had enough people have just had enough of it and so
00:13:38.380 dan hodges i mean here's just an example just you know go around makefield you'll see the posters
00:13:43.660 out and if you're in makefield put your posters out let them know that you've had enough let them
00:13:48.640 know you're against this consensus all of it and that we're going to win so dan hodges has made
00:13:55.420 this prophecy and honestly i mean i wouldn't put much stock in a dan hodges prophecy normally but
00:14:00.140 i think he's right on this the increasingly frenzied attack on restore represents the
00:14:04.080 biggest example of the rise and effect in british political history years to come students will be
00:14:07.840 reading about this yeah that's true because these attacks on the what they perceive as seven percent
00:14:13.780 i mean it's that literal meme of you know people watching the guy being lectured and then starting
00:14:17.900 to get the bit in their own head of it right where it's just like look when any any sort of exposure
00:14:23.600 to restore looks bad for reform. Because reform are the second, like the day after diet version
00:14:32.040 of everything Restore or Promising. They're the bug burger of nationalism, basically.
00:14:35.320 So why would I bother? So why would I bother with them? And Nigel Farage has never turned around and
00:14:40.400 said, I don't care about your attacks on me. He can't do it.
00:14:43.140 The only time he's ever done that is he's actually defended Rob Kenyon's social media
00:14:46.580 post. Danny Kruger then immediately came out and has failed it because Danny Kruger's a coward. 0.98
00:14:49.740 But I do want to make a point here, and this is sympathetic to Rob Kenyon.
00:14:54.660 He's a very strong candidate, I think everyone would agree.
00:14:57.600 Ex-Army Reservist, married, dad, plumber.
00:15:00.100 Seems like a decent champ.
00:15:00.880 Yeah, really, and got in trouble for quote-retweeting you.
00:15:03.820 So he's basically one of our guys.
00:15:05.220 I think that Rob Kenyon is a strong candidate with a party that is acting as if it is weak and wounded and lashing out,
00:15:11.240 and is hurting his chances with, as we're going to discuss soon, the coordinated media pylon onto Restore Britain.
00:15:17.000 And it's actually deflected attention from reforms, canvassing and campaigning messaging.
00:15:22.960 It's deflected attention away from his positive merits over to restore Britain as the true
00:15:28.760 recognised opposition to reform.
00:15:30.220 And the only conversation now happening about their candidate is the social media posts
00:15:34.760 that you'd kind of expect with lad humour from a plumber.
00:15:37.000 So it's a purely negative campaign again, which is what did Matt Goodwin in.
00:15:40.480 If I were him, if I were Paul Kenyon, I would speak to the party higher ups in the marketing
00:15:44.520 and be like, can we start talking about me, please?
00:15:46.500 yeah yeah can you stop going on about restore and start talking about me because i'm the candidate
00:15:51.380 yeah yeah it's it's a very counterintuitive also can you just start coming out with some hardline
00:15:57.340 patriotic nationalistic positions please zia yusuf hasn't given those approval yet
00:16:01.900 like they they fail to understand why the the energy is slipping out of their campaign
00:16:07.420 and so um you've got i mean like they've this was nigel farage's buddy for about five minutes
00:16:15.520 about a year and a half ago and Nigel Farage stuffed it up so now Elon Musk is giving massive
00:16:21.460 amounts of exposure no only restore Britain can say Britain retweeting Rupert Lowe not good is it
00:16:26.520 yeah and then so Nigel Farage is now in a war with Elon Musk so you can't win that they probably
00:16:34.100 got into a war for the same eagle at some point that fractured the whole thing I mean entirely
00:16:38.780 possible but okay now you're beefing with Elon Musk because Elon Musk supports your political
00:16:45.040 opponent and your political opponent has got like you know a kind of cheeky but determined grin on
00:16:51.800 his face about how we're going to storm this and you're looking weak you're looking frail you're
00:16:56.840 looking receding but what's interesting as well is that reformer picking fights with restores
00:17:02.680 surrogates yes because you've got farage arguing with musk musk is actually just to restore britain
00:17:07.740 support from overseas he's actually not punching at rupert low and anytime he mentions rupert low
00:17:11.540 he tries to do it down. And the gap between his assessment of Rupert Lowe and Restore support
00:17:15.800 and what's actually happening widens, so it discredits his position because the public can
00:17:19.920 go, well, that's not true. That prediction didn't pan out. You're overstating this.
00:17:23.300 And instead of arguing with Rupert as his equal, Rupert is outside this conversation,
00:17:27.800 just plowing ahead with his own campaign, whereas Reform are constantly having to fend off sniping
00:17:32.780 from both the media and the people to their right. Yes. And the enthusiasm gap is palpable.
00:17:38.780 right restore definitely have more activists on the ground than any other group uh individually
00:17:43.560 and the the the i mean the the perception here is that farage is getting out faraged by restore
00:17:50.320 it's like well that's not true at all because farage is essentially a kind of coward when it
00:17:55.060 comes to engaging in media fights he is instead of like you say supporting his own candidate and
00:18:01.060 attacking the media and acting like the bulwark against uh no he's he's just like surrounded on
00:18:07.760 all sides desperately trying to hold a position that nobody really believes he holds that's not
00:18:12.900 Rupert Lowe getting he's not being out for us that's been Farage's entire career just just on
00:18:18.780 the very edge so he's slightly outside of the the like news agents consensus but not a bad person
00:18:27.000 so the media don't turn on him he's but that Rupert is not doing that at all Rupert is doing
00:18:31.540 something completely different and of course the news agents can't understand that um and then so
00:18:36.160 this as you said like they're in a very weak position they're running a negative campaign
00:18:40.860 and they're failing they're losing again it's worth highlighting they're in a weak position
00:18:46.300 by choice yes need to be in this weak position if they're just focused on running their own strong
00:18:52.740 campaign yeah instead their their campaign has been flipped to be entirely about how you shouldn't
00:18:58.440 vote for restore and restore shouldn't exist right oh yeah it's their own making exactly it's like
00:19:03.460 when you said
00:19:03.960 that reform wouldn't
00:19:05.020 have existed
00:19:05.400 if Boris Johnson
00:19:06.060 would have gave
00:19:06.760 Farage a peerage
00:19:08.280 or made the US ambassador
00:19:09.340 he would have headed
00:19:10.020 it off in the past
00:19:10.560 if they hadn't have
00:19:11.440 defenestrated Rupert
00:19:12.880 and falsely reported
00:19:13.840 him to the police
00:19:14.560 because Nigel Farage
00:19:15.500 objected to deporting
00:19:17.120 the rape gangs
00:19:17.940 and the collaborators
00:19:18.820 if they had heeded
00:19:20.140 the warnings of
00:19:20.800 I mean at the time
00:19:21.840 I was telling
00:19:22.360 senior members of reform
00:19:23.380 hey guys
00:19:24.100 the online base
00:19:24.940 is getting a bit jittery
00:19:25.720 about all the
00:19:26.120 counter-signaling
00:19:26.720 you might want to
00:19:27.900 fix this
00:19:28.720 so that they don't
00:19:29.480 either split
00:19:30.100 form their own faction
00:19:30.900 eclipse you
00:19:31.480 or waste resources even
00:19:33.260 And they were like, no, it'll be fine.
00:19:34.120 We'll engage with you in 2026.
00:19:35.580 If they hadn't have had such hubris,
00:19:38.140 they now wouldn't be on the defensive.
00:19:40.000 And your point about Farage not attacking Lowe
00:19:43.680 via like social media or in the media or whatever.
00:19:46.500 Well, you can see why.
00:19:47.960 Because Rupert Lowe will just ratio 0.98
00:19:49.400 the goddamn hell out of him every time he posts something. 0.92
00:19:52.200 Which is why Richard Tyson locked his comments. 0.99
00:19:54.140 And like Farage would have no choice
00:19:56.020 but to turn in Sadiq Khan over this
00:19:57.680 and just put, here's my announcement.
00:20:00.240 Please don't reply to it.
00:20:01.840 No, there's nowhere for them to go at this point
00:20:04.860 because they can't go to the right of Rupert Lowe
00:20:06.960 and therefore they can't actually summon the base
00:20:08.740 up to their own position.
00:20:10.340 And as you said previously, it's a matter of character.
00:20:13.820 Rupert has been really consistent on this.
00:20:16.100 I mean, has Alistair Campbell called him
00:20:17.200 the most right-wing man I've ever met?
00:20:19.460 No one's going to say that about Nigel Farage.
00:20:21.740 Well, that's the thing is they could actually try
00:20:24.440 an outflank from the right, but if they did,
00:20:27.900 and I've seen some of their online commentators
00:20:30.300 trying to argue that reform is to the right of restore the fact is it just comes across hollow
00:20:35.860 it does it comes across in fact speaking of those here's jack anderton he's the sort of person who 0.93
00:20:40.820 desperately tries to outflank restore from the right but then is constantly undermined by nagel
00:20:47.040 farage richard tice and nadeem zahawi robert jenrich you know he just can't do it i'm getting
00:20:56.860 i'm starting to feel kind of bad for him because he'll try he'll come out and make a point that he
00:21:00.700 thinks is to the right and then it will be immediately count signaled by one of the mps
00:21:05.780 in reform and so it's like sorry bro you've got no choice but then like leaking dms of uh 0.90
00:21:11.780 all the mini home yeah that's right yeah yeah because she she was trying to uh get reform to
00:21:18.820 do something for women's safety and they didn't so she went to restore and here's jack sort of
00:21:22.940 like here's here's the uh dms of her trying to get us to do something for women again help reform
00:21:29.840 build a safeguarding policy for women and children uh and it didn't happen which is why she went to
00:21:35.140 restore that's not bad this is the second doesn't make her look bad second time jenrik's team's done
00:21:39.440 this i've just remembered they tried to do it charlie downs because charlie once tried to work
00:21:43.320 with jenrik when jenrik was running the leadership conservative party and jenrik's team were
00:21:47.300 completely different people by the way because they didn't not everyone felt followed him over
00:21:50.560 to reform. That's why his output is worse. And at the time it was like, oh, Jemrick's making the
00:21:54.440 right noises. Maybe he has had a Damascene conversion and he disproved it with his
00:21:58.500 inaugural speech as Treasury Spokesperson. But what's discrediting reform are these tactics.
00:22:04.880 That's a politics, as Thomas points out here. Underhanded, sniping, leaking. And all it does
00:22:09.540 is it makes your party loyalists think, oh, if I show sufficient disloyalty, are you going to leak
00:22:14.860 my internal communications now? It means that suddenly everyone thinks no one is safe in reform.
00:22:19.340 yes there's no trust that can be built in reform and that's been the problem with the kind of 0.75
00:22:23.920 people that nigel farage has attracted his entire career because he is duplicitous and quite happy
00:22:28.980 to snake you throw you under the bus backstab you and apparently report you to the cops and try and 0.99
00:22:33.400 get you put in jail which is why restore even exists in the first place you did this to rupert
00:22:37.400 lowe and here's his minions doing the same kind of slimy stuff and it's like look man that's just
00:22:44.080 not going to wash and it's not helping you either because i mean like this sort of thing should have
00:22:49.420 been solved in dms like why are jenrik and yusuf currently having a public spat over whether
00:22:55.960 people foreigners here on benefits are going to be deported or not jenrik says no yusuf says yes
00:23:02.180 have at it get in like again this is you turning yourselves inward and having a fight this is the
00:23:08.900 monkey knife fight on the cruise ship exactly no this is jenrik on the inside of his car as 0.99
00:23:13.220 Yusuf comes up and says you bloody bastard but the the point is it's profound weakness in their 0.98
00:23:20.220 own party there's no no particular understanding and and this comes from Nigel Farage being the 0.99
00:23:26.100 person who will kick you out if you count signal him or you you signal to the right of him before
00:23:30.680 he is prepared to and not having a firm grasp on policy if Farage is I'm never going to deport
00:23:36.580 immigrants oh I'm going to deport all the immigrants I'm not going to do this I'm going
00:23:39.220 do that but like where where do you stand they don't know and so jenric was probably thinking 1.00
00:23:43.800 yeah no i'm not going to say we're going to deport everyone who's here on benefits if they're
00:23:47.820 foreigners because nigel might get angry about that but zeer's like no no that's of course we're 0.94
00:23:51.720 going to do that because otherwise rupert lowe is well out to our right and we look weak and pathetic 0.96
00:23:56.560 and that's turned into a public spat between them it's like this is a catastrophe for you guys
00:24:01.700 they're also trying to weaponize respective elements of the base against one another so
00:24:05.380 that they have more leverage to take over when Faraj leaves.
00:24:08.580 This is the sibling squabbling beneath Leah for the crown.
00:24:11.920 And part of the reason is Yusuf was brought in by a pretty powerful faction
00:24:15.780 with money running through the tendrils of GB News
00:24:18.520 to be Faraj's heir apparent.
00:24:20.240 And then Yusuf said some things internally that he didn't like.
00:24:23.020 Reportedly, it's about Israel.
00:24:24.260 They sidelined him and they brought Jemrech in 0.52
00:24:26.360 as the safe pair of conservative hands
00:24:28.100 who could also facilitate a Tory merger instead. 0.91
00:24:31.620 Who's certainly not going to canceling Israel. 0.94
00:24:34.020 Anyway, so reform are weak in the air.
00:24:38.360 They've lost the support of Elon Musk.
00:24:40.380 They don't have Rupert Lowe's social media game.
00:24:42.700 They seem to be weaker on the ground,
00:24:44.640 where Restore are the ones coming up constantly on the doors
00:24:47.340 to the point where Labour are like,
00:24:48.320 yeah, well, we're getting a lot of Restore coming up on the doors.
00:24:50.420 Not getting a lot of Reform coming up on the doors.
00:24:52.000 They're not complaining about you.
00:24:53.140 They're complaining about us.
00:24:54.360 And then your own party has fallen into factualism
00:24:57.200 and slimy gutter politics.
00:24:59.700 This is not good.
00:25:00.820 and this post on reddit i think summarizes it all really well farage is a political snake with zero
00:25:07.980 values other than what benefits him the most he'll co-opt whatever issue he needs to build himself
00:25:12.240 more power low as a zealot he genuinely believes in the things that he's saying and if he somehow
00:25:17.360 gets the power to implement the vision he will do it regardless of any negative consequences for 0.80
00:25:22.240 himself both would be a disaster for the country says obviously some libtard on reddit but it's 0.61
00:25:26.820 okay i agree with that assessment completely which one do i want do i want the political 0.91
00:25:32.720 snake who's surrounded by snakes who are leaking dms and currently sniping and factionalizing
00:25:36.820 fighting with one another or do i want the guy who genuinely believes in what he's saying
00:25:42.300 and will actually do it if he gets into power regardless of the negative consequences for
00:25:47.160 himself which let me choose i mean jesus christ it's not a hard decision is it so this is why
00:25:52.760 they're coming so hard at restore at the moment because we are actually following the positive
00:25:57.140 vision for the country we're going to fix it we're going to solve all these problems we're
00:26:00.660 going to get rid of all this legislation we're going to send millions home there are not going 1.00
00:26:03.540 to be foreigners on benefits it's going to be fixed that's why they're coming for us 1.00
00:26:07.260 all right we've got a couple of rumble rants we're going to do yeah yeah sigil stone says 1.00
00:26:13.660 goddammit dan stop clicking the weird links the unsolicited emails you boomer yes probably 0.52
00:26:17.700 we've tried to stop him you can hold him down but he feel he finds a way uh can someone ask
00:26:22.620 someone in Restore when in Makefield, if they are planning on getting back to move up the West
00:26:27.060 Yorkshire coordinator role, they're veting me for. As you can imagine, a by-election might
00:26:31.500 cause a delay on answering emails. Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of resources and
00:26:36.180 bandwidth is being put into this, but you can understand why they would. So unfortunately,
00:26:40.860 you might have to be patient on that one. Sorry. But anyway, let's move on.
00:26:44.720 Nevertheless. Well, I thought we'd examine the air war, the coordinated media hit pieces that
00:26:52.120 are flooding the zone from reform against Restore
00:26:55.400 and seem to be backfiring quite spectacularly.
00:26:58.800 And we can see some patterns that emerge
00:27:00.960 and we can start to see which toes that Restore has trod on
00:27:06.140 and solicited this kind of reaction.
00:27:08.440 I wanted to go first to this interview.
00:27:09.400 Before we do, I just want a message to any media outlets
00:27:12.900 that happen to be watching.
00:27:13.840 Carry on. More. We want more.
00:27:16.060 We want, like Dan Hodges said,
00:27:17.820 this just raises the salience of Restore as a party.
00:27:20.400 Please keep going.
00:27:20.900 You're just a Kylo Ren firing meme from Last Jedi.
00:27:23.600 Only time we're going to reference that in Harry's presence.
00:27:25.660 Anyway, I wanted to go to this...
00:27:28.020 I had some terrible flashbacks from...
00:27:29.500 Yeah, of acting in it.
00:27:32.140 Sorry.
00:27:33.040 We're going to go to this interview with David Chipley here
00:27:36.000 with Restore's Reforms Candidate.
00:27:38.180 He did actually attempt to interview Restore's Candidate,
00:27:40.720 but she wasn't available.
00:27:42.780 All, as we've said in the previous segment,
00:27:44.960 Rob seems like a decent guy.
00:27:46.080 Yeah.
00:27:46.400 And I think what's happening is that his chances
00:27:49.220 are being sabotaged by the behaviour, the apoplectic crash-out that reforms, leadership,
00:27:56.120 media surrogate supporters are having. And they're descending to just lying and spreading
00:27:59.860 malicious rumours and looking like, but clowning themselves when they can be easily disproven.
00:28:05.260 But anyway, Shipley gave him a pretty fair write-up. And he asked what he thought of
00:28:12.080 Restore Britain's presence in the constituency. And they said, on the risk that Restore takes
00:28:17.280 enough votes for Burnham to win, Kenyon warns that people need to know that if you're going
00:28:21.760 to vote for Restore, then that's just going to help Labour and it's not worth taking the risk.
00:28:25.360 For this election, I just ask Restore voters or potential Restore voters, vote for me because
00:28:29.980 it's not just worth the risk. So Kenyon is at the very least saying, hey, err on the side of safety
00:28:35.620 guys, I'm a known quantity, I got second in the general election in 2024, and I am basically one
00:28:40.920 of you. A retweet saga. Yeah, exactly. So he is appealing to Restore on the grounds that there's
00:28:46.920 basically no distinction between the parties that i could well be a restore mp it's just that
00:28:50.940 restore aren't a viable political vehicle anymore and when when chipley tried to press on whether
00:28:56.920 or not restore will cost him the seat he just said he hasn't delved too much into restore's policies
00:29:01.720 and then returned to his statement that it's just a two-horse race between reform and labor he's
00:29:05.880 been coached keep on this particular point and what what's worse for reform is as you were saying
00:29:11.480 entirely negative campaign essentially they've been reduced to political begging at this point
00:29:15.300 yes and it's weak well what it reminds and it's not his fault either what it reminds me of if you
00:29:20.320 cast your minds back to when you were all in school right and uh maybe traumatic for some
00:29:26.240 i didn't have such a bad time i had a great time yeah my head is already in the bin you're in the
00:29:31.140 you're in the school play sorry about that um you're in the school play and maybe maybe it's
00:29:37.500 a musical maybe it's some performance that you're giving but you step up and it's your time to shine
00:29:41.820 and then from the crowd you hear your parents starting a loud public argument that never
00:29:50.660 happened to me but that would be awful yes and all of the attention is off of you and all anybody can
00:29:56.040 pay attention to is what the bloody hell is going on over there that's actually pretty good analogy
00:30:00.340 that is exactly what's happening yeah um because what it's like on the ground that's causing said
00:30:05.220 argument causing said crash out is very different than what's being presented here as we mentioned
00:30:09.180 in the last segment. I actually happened to listen to this same Times podcast, by the way. I pulled
00:30:13.880 out a slightly different clip where they were discussing the translation from the online
00:30:18.000 support, hello, it's us, into the in-person canvassing ground game disparity between reform
00:30:25.740 and restore. And I just think we'll let this Westminster creature talk us through.
00:30:30.140 This is just an X account, a high-practice X account. What is actually clear is that if you
00:30:35.860 were to call Restore Britain anything is probably the Facebook party. Rupert Lowe has more than a
00:30:39.340 million followers on Facebook. He is, you know, pumping out anti-immigration messaging all the
00:30:45.200 time. And you saw in our colleague, Damian Whitworth, he went up to the constituency as
00:30:51.660 well. And what was striking is, you know, you're getting in focus groups, your ST poll over the
00:30:56.700 weekend, your Sunday Times poll over the weekend by Servation, had them at 7%. It's not just Rupert
00:31:02.160 saying we're doing really well in makerfield it is you know damien whitworth encountering random
00:31:08.200 people in the street in community pubs your focus group with luke trill the poll right they clearly
00:31:14.740 exist and in the words of one person on the labor campaign they said they're everywhere
00:31:19.300 and whether they mean you know they're everywhere in the discourse their posters are everywhere
00:31:23.160 etc etc they're clearly they're clearly real and the social media aspect of this is fascinating
00:31:31.500 because something Nigel Farage said to me
00:31:34.020 on a couple of occasions is
00:31:35.520 Facebook is probably the most important
00:31:37.700 social media network in British politics
00:31:39.880 and he has loads of followers on Facebook
00:31:42.220 and
00:31:43.560 Moxley could have changed the algorithm
00:31:45.940 after Trump was re-elected and it meant
00:31:47.760 that Nigel Farage was no longer penalised, right?
00:31:49.460 Right-leaning politicians were no longer
00:31:51.200 penalised and that was a great
00:31:53.600 boon to reform. Boomers 1.00
00:31:55.880 and people outside, a lot of people
00:31:57.520 outside of London of a certain age are still on Facebook
00:31:59.360 That is still the dominant social network.
00:32:02.780 And if Rupert Lowe is big on Facebook,
00:32:04.260 then it might suggest that actually he's big in the real world.
00:32:06.660 Of course, it doesn't mean Restore are about to supplant reformers.
00:32:11.140 So then he gets into editorialising and cope.
00:32:13.380 But what?
00:32:14.180 That line, if you're big on Facebook, you're big in the real world.
00:32:17.620 They're everywhere.
00:32:19.240 Literally, I mean, everywhere.
00:32:20.580 That is so good.
00:32:21.740 Well, listen, okay, my dad is a Facebook user.
00:32:26.360 He's not a Twitter guy.
00:32:28.280 You know, he's not on Instagram or anything like that.
00:32:30.640 My dad is a good old-fashioned Facebook boomer
00:32:33.500 who will post exactly what you think he will post on Facebook, right?
00:32:37.680 And he loves Rupert Lowe.
00:32:40.260 This time last year, probably wouldn't have been able to tell you who he is.
00:32:43.980 But their Facebook game has been so strong
00:32:46.660 and they've been sharing everything that my dad needs to see
00:32:49.400 to know that my dad vastly prefers Rupert Lowe
00:32:53.860 to somebody like Nigel Farage and massively trusts him
00:32:56.840 because the one thing that he keeps saying
00:32:59.140 is that he comes across like a good, honest bloke.
00:33:02.020 Yeah, whereas Nigel Farage comes across
00:33:03.600 like a used car salesman.
00:33:05.140 And it's just like, sorry,
00:33:06.260 and this is what John Cleese,
00:33:07.760 like he loves Rupert Lowe, 0.99
00:33:09.240 literally promotes him every goddamn day, 1.00
00:33:11.420 hates Nigel Farage. 1.00
00:33:12.340 Duncan Bannatyne.
00:33:13.140 Duncan Bannatyne.
00:33:13.880 Jim Ratcliffe.
00:33:14.900 Question of character.
00:33:15.960 Yes.
00:33:16.200 Absolute question of character.
00:33:17.120 So this is the problem reform have.
00:33:18.420 They're now caught in a kind of demographic car compactor
00:33:21.100 where from the top down,
00:33:22.620 there are the Facebook boomers,
00:33:23.660 the boomerwaffen coming for them 0.86
00:33:24.900 and they're being shaved.
00:33:25.460 Elon Musk.
00:33:25.880 Yeah, and they can't,
00:33:26.840 They can't be bribed by promising to quadruple lock their pensions
00:33:30.220 and take them on a Pontins trip for their events.
00:33:33.580 You've already captured that demographic anyway.
00:33:35.340 That's your core vote.
00:33:36.480 Exactly. 1.00
00:33:36.840 You've just, like, Shang-Sung stolen them from the Conservatives, 0.57
00:33:40.280 which are a dead entity. 0.97
00:33:41.480 But those that didn't want the Conservatives and weren't going to vote,
00:33:43.880 particularly in the North, in seats like Makerfield,
00:33:46.940 they're just not that attracted to you.
00:33:48.460 They're going to start siphoning off.
00:33:49.340 And then from the bottom up,
00:33:50.540 we've seen Nick Robinson characterize them as all angry young men this morning
00:33:53.600 on BBC Radio 4, but it's our audience.
00:33:55.880 We have a lot of angry young men and women, but we also have a lot of middle-aged, middle-class people who are striving and who started with nothing, have worked their way up.
00:34:05.360 I mean, honestly, I'm really...
00:34:06.100 And who are also angry.
00:34:06.960 I'm a really good example.
00:34:08.040 There's plenty to be angry about in this country.
00:34:09.440 Yeah, exactly. 0.96
00:34:10.080 Mums and dads who have actually worked really hard, got something for themselves, and are realising that we're going off a goddamn cliff and have to change. 0.71
00:34:17.000 There's a lot of us who are like that.
00:34:19.000 And so it's just like, I don't envy reform at this point 0.92
00:34:24.060 because they have chosen the gay Tory spats. 0.98
00:34:28.320 And they've simultaneously tried to chase the Muslim vote 0.99
00:34:31.000 and those are the least likely group in the country 0.80
00:34:33.100 to have voted for you.
00:34:34.860 Anyway, so they admit,
00:34:36.400 literally, Gordon and Denton,
00:34:37.760 it was 5% of the minorities voted for him.
00:34:39.500 No, I remember. 0.75
00:34:40.580 Just unbelievable.
00:34:41.480 Didn't somebody do the calculation
00:34:42.680 and it was like less than 100 people of that demographic?
00:34:46.220 But it was impossible to win anyway
00:34:47.420 because if you were chasing the Sikh vote in the Sikh,
00:34:49.480 there were only 1,800 at the last census
00:34:51.940 and you lost by 5,000.
00:34:53.640 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:34:54.580 Well done, Matt.
00:34:54.980 No win there.
00:34:55.480 Should have run the number by ChatJPT.
00:34:56.980 Anyway, so it turns out that Restore support is real.
00:34:59.620 There is a substantive policy difference
00:35:01.300 because it keeps getting highlighted
00:35:02.420 any time that you get these press pieces coming out
00:35:04.740 and saying Restore are actually further to the right
00:35:06.280 than Reform,
00:35:07.100 especially when Trevor Phillips puts a literal side-by-side
00:35:09.420 with Robert Jenrick's face.
00:35:10.480 Are you going to do this, Jenrick?
00:35:11.400 No, no, we're not going to do that.
00:35:12.680 It's like, okay, I won't vote for you then.
00:35:14.500 And so occurs an increasing number of people think
00:35:17.220 that Farage is failing the character assessment,
00:35:19.180 as we previously said,
00:35:20.540 they might migrate over to Rupert
00:35:22.120 because their loyalties to reform,
00:35:23.740 which are a relatively new party in the last three years,
00:35:25.980 aren't as sticky as they were
00:35:27.400 with my granddad votes Labour,
00:35:28.500 my dad votes Labour.
00:35:29.300 I'm not even sure that it was loyalty to reform.
00:35:32.580 I think reform was being used as a cudgel
00:35:34.420 against a traitorous Labour party or Conservative party.
00:35:37.220 They're a brick through the Oversham window.
00:35:38.560 Yeah.
00:35:39.300 And I've said this before,
00:35:41.240 I think Farage's actual contribution to politics
00:35:43.640 will be just allowing people to not vote red or blue.
00:35:47.280 That's all there's going to be, I think.
00:35:48.500 And so cue the deluge of hit pieces,
00:35:51.240 because clearly a call went out somewhere.
00:35:54.140 Use the same talking points.
00:35:55.680 And we'll start with Nigel Farage's natural home.
00:35:58.400 This is, and I'm not really going to go for the substance
00:36:00.340 of some of these pieces,
00:36:01.160 because they're all the same arguments.
00:36:02.140 You're going to split the vote,
00:36:03.740 which is the argument that Tories made in 2024.
00:36:06.460 And those same Tory MPs now arguing
00:36:07.880 they were going to split the vote back in 2024
00:36:09.440 are now in reform arguing that Restore
00:36:11.120 are going to split the vote.
00:36:12.000 So, okay, if reform split the vote with the Tories
00:36:14.020 and surpassed the Tories,
00:36:14.820 Restore could split the vote and surpass reform.
00:36:16.520 There you go.
00:36:17.140 But Carol Malone, by the way, wrote this piece.
00:36:18.740 Anyone know who Carol Malone is?
00:36:20.900 Name does ring a bell.
00:36:21.600 Enlighten me.
00:36:22.360 Okay. 1.00
00:36:22.980 Insufferable woman who commentates on, 1.00
00:36:24.880 I think it's Jeremy Vine's show, 1.00
00:36:25.700 but mainly on GB News.
00:36:26.660 Throughout the entirety of the COVID lockdowns,
00:36:28.740 she was calling for more lockdowns
00:36:29.960 and then vaccine mandates, vaccine passports.
00:36:32.500 She said she was totally indifferent
00:36:33.560 to people losing their jobs
00:36:34.540 if they were doctors and nurses,
00:36:35.600 if they didn't want to take the jab.
00:36:37.160 So- 0.92
00:36:37.720 We found a natural Nadeem Zahawi voter. 0.81
00:36:40.060 Yeah, so the- 0.98
00:36:40.860 In the wild.
00:36:42.280 Disapproval of Carol Malone
00:36:43.680 should be taken as an endorsement.
00:36:45.760 Yes.
00:36:46.180 And yet again, it seems like protecting your own job interests
00:36:49.220 because you do work for GB News.
00:36:50.760 But also, again, it's just profoundly weak.
00:36:52.920 And essentially now you're begging.
00:36:54.220 You're begging the opposition, please don't ruin us.
00:36:56.680 Yes.
00:36:57.180 No, no, no.
00:36:58.080 Quite.
00:36:58.660 Not even slightly interested in entertaining that.
00:37:00.900 Carry on.
00:37:01.320 Code's in the same way with this Telegraph piece.
00:37:03.720 Farage is actually quoted in here somewhere.
00:37:06.680 And he says, speaking to the Telegraph,
00:37:07.820 he actually gave a comment to this.
00:37:09.340 He said,
00:37:09.960 Burnham would be delighted.
00:37:11.020 Elon Musk has decided he will try to split the right
00:37:13.040 of British politics as best he can.
00:37:14.540 Oh yeah, Elon did that.
00:37:16.360 I think he did that by reporting Rupert to the police, Nigel, but there you go.
00:37:19.800 This is supporting a party with, there's one man with a social media account.
00:37:23.420 Quite what he's trying to achieve, I have no idea.
00:37:26.280 They beat you by double the vote share in Great Yarmouth.
00:37:28.940 It's not just one man. They have 130,000 plus members.
00:37:33.000 And as all of the professional political activists are realising,
00:37:35.300 it's not just one man with a social media account.
00:37:37.500 This is the talking point that they've decided on in some group chat somewhere,
00:37:41.220 and they're trying desperately to stick to it.
00:37:43.280 No matter how far from reality it is.
00:37:45.480 And it is conspicuous how derivative these talking points sound,
00:37:48.820 as if they have been coordinated,
00:37:50.120 because within, again, a couple of hours of each other,
00:37:52.500 pieces went out in the Daily Mail, actually.
00:37:55.860 There was a piece by Leo McKinstry,
00:37:57.940 who is a Brexiteer and a historian
00:38:00.180 who used to write for The Telegraph before he got ill.
00:38:02.100 I hope he gets better.
00:38:03.020 But again, don't need to go for the substance of this
00:38:04.460 because the pieces are all the same.
00:38:06.080 They're referencing the Times poll.
00:38:07.660 They're saying we're within three points of victory.
00:38:10.100 Restore only have seven points.
00:38:11.420 They need to stand down for the good of the country
00:38:13.060 and hand it to Nigel Farage, we deserve this.
00:38:15.280 It's my birthday and I'll cry if I want to.
00:38:16.760 And I love it as if the poll is trapped in amber
00:38:19.400 and will maintain until the election.
00:38:21.500 No, things are changing.
00:38:23.040 And as you're currently finding out,
00:38:24.760 more and more people are clearly flipping to restore from reform
00:38:28.000 or from not being a voter at all
00:38:30.200 because they can see you attacking them
00:38:33.200 for not agreeing and not getting on side
00:38:35.260 because it's not Nigel Farage's time.
00:38:36.860 It's also crazy that they don't have the electoral foresight
00:38:39.100 to see that Keir Starmer campaigning on Andy Burnham's behalf 0.87
00:38:42.360 because Giga-Chad Starmer is trying to tank his chances
00:38:44.360 means that Burnham himself will be infected with electoral leprosy
00:38:48.420 and probably shave off some of those marginal gains.
00:38:51.740 Personally, I don't see the frenzy about the threat of Burnham
00:38:57.100 as anything other than a media push.
00:38:59.340 Oh, no, not Andy Burnham.
00:39:00.440 Yeah, he's going to be basically like Keir Starmer.
00:39:02.500 Who cares? 0.67
00:39:03.200 He's already said he won't change the immigration rules,
00:39:05.660 the financial rules.
00:39:07.380 He's not going to do anything.
00:39:08.460 Except the Supreme Court ruling.
00:39:09.740 I mean, the only, as well, to say, vote, restore, get Burnham,
00:39:14.020 does that mean that, one, reform is responsible for getting Starmer in 2024,
00:39:17.500 and two, are reform now saying either vote reform and keep Starmer in,
00:39:22.240 or get streeting?
00:39:23.620 Do you want to own where's streeting?
00:39:25.080 But just, like, your slogan in the locals was,
00:39:27.760 vote reform, get Starmer out.
00:39:29.080 And here we are, threatening to get Starmer out.
00:39:32.060 You're trying to now block the guy who's trying to keep Starmer in.
00:39:34.760 Yeah, exactly. 1.00
00:39:35.240 You've literally reversed your own goddamn messaging, morons. 1.00
00:39:37.820 Yeah. 1.00
00:39:38.220 Yeah, so more pieces.
00:39:40.240 There was this one by, I think this is Stephen,
00:39:43.740 no, this is Christian Calgi's one.
00:39:45.280 So this was the one where they decided to try and hound,
00:39:48.620 restore for anti-Semitism allegations
00:39:50.680 because someone finally decided to watch
00:39:53.200 the Steve Laws and Andrew Gold interview.
00:39:55.060 Steve Laws isn't a representative of the party.
00:39:57.360 No, but someone started the rumor that he was
00:39:59.600 and we will get onto that in a little bit.
00:40:01.840 But look at the fear, like these constant,
00:40:03.680 here's half a dozen pieces on the Daily Mail alone
00:40:07.280 about why Rupert Lowe is bad and Restore is bad
00:40:09.560 and why you should vote for Nigel Farage.
00:40:10.980 No, no, you just seem like you're really rattled.
00:40:13.860 Yeah, there was a quote in here
00:40:15.980 from one of the team members
00:40:18.120 and they asked Rupert to disavow Laws.
00:40:22.680 Yeah.
00:40:23.020 And I'm trying to find where it was.
00:40:25.500 But essentially Rupert said,
00:40:26.880 Steve Laws is Steve Laws.
00:40:28.280 Like I didn't say the things that Steve Laws said.
00:40:30.900 Steve Laws is not working for the party
00:40:32.280 and his positions are not party policy.
00:40:34.120 Anyone can support us if they like,
00:40:35.840 if they're a law-abiding member of the public.
00:40:37.020 We're not going to audit our own members.
00:40:38.920 And I don't see you do that in the Greens either, conspicuously enough.
00:40:41.540 And this should have been the line that Farah should have taken from day one.
00:40:44.560 Well, are people quote mining Labour affiliates
00:40:47.180 for anything that they said following the death of Charlie Kirk
00:40:50.260 after his assassination?
00:40:51.960 And are the Daily Mail trying to hold them as a party
00:40:54.500 to account for all of that?
00:40:56.000 This is not a standard that's applied to any of the other parties.
00:40:59.360 It was applied at first a bit to reform,
00:41:02.680 but the only thing that they can really pull up at the moment
00:41:05.380 for Paul Kenyon is that he said something a bit untoward
00:41:08.260 about Carol Vorderman's rear end.
00:41:10.420 Yeah, everything else is, he says something basically true.
00:41:12.500 Yeah, I disagree with him on Carol Vorderman, by the way,
00:41:14.360 because I don't want to consume microplastics.
00:41:16.140 Anyway, so there have also been other people
00:41:18.060 who just unfortunately beclam themselves on this,
00:41:20.400 and it's, I would say, a former friend of the show,
00:41:23.020 he's been on here before.
00:41:24.240 Did you see this video from Andrew Lawrence?
00:41:26.020 Yeah, I did.
00:41:26.860 It was just a litany of insults, 1.00
00:41:29.200 saying that people are useful idiots, woke right, 1.00
00:41:31.320 that they want Burnham in, that they're a Tory Trojan. 1.00
00:41:33.620 And again, it's just not...
00:41:34.820 don't care, still voting for Rupert. Very persuasive. And I did, I did reply to him
00:41:38.200 actually just saying, look, if you want to win people over, I don't think calling them 0.99
00:41:41.580 idiots is a great idea. No, no, it worked in Brexit and it worked in Trump and it worked 0.99
00:41:45.960 in every, it worked in Trump too. What are you talking about? The response was, well,
00:41:49.700 this just betrays how fragile your restore boys are. I was like, okay, again, the insults
00:41:54.040 are only going one way. And if this election is to be decided on the basis of character,
00:41:57.740 because you're trying to say that there is no distinction between the parties on policy.
00:42:01.160 so we only have to vote based on who we trust to deliver that policy,
00:42:04.900 then if one side is relentlessly insulting the other with insults
00:42:07.740 where there's a bit of a gap between what people's perceptions actually are
00:42:11.360 and the other side isn't returning them in kind,
00:42:13.680 then people are going to find the other side a bit more persuasive, I think.
00:42:17.860 Then a pattern starts to emerge.
00:42:20.120 And this is where we dance...
00:42:21.540 Oh no, not Andy Burden.
00:42:22.960 This is where we dance on the head of a pin, gentlemen.
00:42:25.220 Stephen Pollard.
00:42:26.060 So Stephen Pollard has written multiple pieces about this Times polling now.
00:42:29.460 If you don't know who Stephen Pollard is,
00:42:32.660 he's handily written for us in The Spectator about who he is.
00:42:35.760 But he wrote one piece in The Telegraph,
00:42:37.480 and then he just regurgitated his talking points
00:42:39.380 in the last 24 hours in the Daily Mail,
00:42:41.080 basically saying,
00:42:42.100 oh my God, Restore are going to split the vote
00:42:43.620 and you're going to get Andy Burnham in.
00:42:44.980 You're going to get the left in. 1.00
00:42:46.220 They're already in, dumbass. 0.99
00:42:48.320 And they're in because of Stephen Pollard, 0.99
00:42:50.060 because he was the research director of the Fabian Society.
00:42:52.180 Really?
00:42:53.140 So spare me the concern, trolley.
00:42:55.620 Right, so what he's trying to do is save Keir Starmer?
00:42:58.520 Possibly.
00:42:58.880 Keir Starmer, unironically, that must be what he's doing.
00:43:01.600 If you don't, you're going to get Andy Burnham.
00:43:05.760 Well, Andy Burnham isn't, like, don't get me wrong, 0.89
00:43:08.700 Andy Burnham's like, you know, a sort of traditional rubbish Labour politician. 0.81
00:43:13.240 He's a Mancunian socialist. 0.99
00:43:14.200 Exactly, right?
00:43:15.080 That's not a Britain-hating Davos man like Keir Starmer.
00:43:19.420 A Stolus Terminator.
00:43:20.740 It's not a Fabian, right? 0.87
00:43:23.540 Keir Starmer is a Fabian.
00:43:25.440 And so Stephen Pollard here is trying to defend Keir Starmer,
00:43:28.340 the Fabian Prime Minister that we currently have
00:43:30.480 who's destroying our country.
00:43:31.800 Again, I don't even really believe
00:43:33.340 that if Burnham does win this election
00:43:35.280 that they're immediately just going to stab Keir in the back, 0.54
00:43:39.340 throw him into the channel.
00:43:40.640 I think Keir might win.
00:43:42.080 And then Burnham just gets immediately crowned King of England.
00:43:45.180 I don't see that.
00:43:46.460 It's not going to be some sort of Burnham Socialist Reich
00:43:49.100 that suddenly springs up out of the ground.
00:43:51.400 They're going to talk like they're going to build a giant
00:43:53.140 like Starmer Wicker Man effigy.
00:43:54.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:55.360 Set him alight as they nationalise the railways.
00:43:58.080 But I do notice a conspicuous pattern here.
00:44:01.000 And again, as we previously mentioned,
00:44:02.200 it might be around one particular issue.
00:44:04.040 And it's because previous hit pieces on Rupert Lowe
00:44:06.560 before this deluge about Restore Britain
00:44:08.480 were written by Michael Mosbacher,
00:44:10.080 Khaled Hassan, and Stephen Pollard.
00:44:11.820 Is the issue Israel? 0.78
00:44:13.940 Seemingly so. 1.00
00:44:15.860 Weirdly so.
00:44:16.840 And I do object to the fact that our-
00:44:19.180 Most popular country in the country.
00:44:21.240 Yeah, yeah.
00:44:21.980 Our national politics has to gravitate so much
00:44:25.540 about this little region in the Middle East
00:44:27.200 and the international diaspora
00:44:28.880 that cares so much about it,
00:44:30.140 that it acts as the gate
00:44:32.540 between our ability
00:44:33.460 to just take our own side
00:44:34.360 to represent our interests,
00:44:36.180 our people,
00:44:37.520 secure a future for our children.
00:44:38.920 You know, we're all dads now
00:44:39.760 sitting around the table.
00:44:40.800 I care mainly about that.
00:44:42.380 Just foreshadowing my segment, Connor.
00:44:44.020 Well, I'm not heading off at the past.
00:44:45.420 I'm not heading off at the past.
00:44:46.640 It's not your fault, though,
00:44:47.700 that this just keeps coming up.
00:44:49.160 No, no, but honestly,
00:44:50.500 never could the time be better. 1.00
00:44:52.240 I mean, Israel has never been 0.73
00:44:53.180 more popular in the West
00:44:54.160 than it is right now.
00:44:55.000 I know, yeah.
00:44:55.600 I mean, make the campaign about this party doesn't even support Israel.
00:45:01.360 People aren't going to vote for that.
00:45:03.140 Definitely don't write articles telling everyone
00:45:05.160 how Rupert Lowe's going to ban halal and kosher slaughter.
00:45:08.240 Definitely not.
00:45:09.040 That's not going to get the public on side, I promise you.
00:45:11.400 Don't write those articles.
00:45:12.480 Also, you don't get to keep talking about an issue
00:45:14.040 and then control the way in which people talk about the issue,
00:45:16.820 especially when the issue isn't being brought up
00:45:18.380 on the doorsteps of Makerfield.
00:45:19.960 Yeah, yeah.
00:45:20.480 It's weird that this small constituency on the outskirts
00:45:24.700 to Greater Manchester, isn't constantly talking about Israel and Palestine on the doorstep
00:45:28.080 because there isn't a strong demographic presence of either side in that constituency. So if
00:45:32.340 you keep trying to force the issue, the party that is trying to force the issue will get
00:45:36.700 fewer votes. And again, there's a bit of a pattern here. So Spiked Online, absolute
00:45:41.480 disgusting enemy publication, horrible people. 0.98
00:45:43.880 Okay, hang on, hang on, right. So for a long time in the sort of early, in the 2000s to
00:45:49.780 2010s brendan o'neill was actually a very sober voice injecting a needed bit of um common sense
00:45:58.300 into the discourse right uh in dale kind of held this sort of position as well whereas i look i'm
00:46:04.520 kind of like the mainstream truth teller i'll be the one who goes on question time and says
00:46:07.860 the unpopular thing but it like in the liberal elite but is something that actually is true and
00:46:12.860 you need to hear right so for a long time brendan o'neill had this sort of um position and now
00:46:19.600 brendan o'neill has found himself overtaken by events so for him supporting nigel farage was
00:46:25.580 edgy and cool and the sort of thing that the you know the sort of um the populist radical left
00:46:32.540 maybe could could find themselves doing in opposition to the status quo his problem is
00:46:37.240 that nigel farage has become the status quo he's become accepted by the telegraph the times and
00:46:41.380 even the left are like yeah yeah Nigel Farage fine like they they expect it and so Brendan O'Neill 0.99
00:46:46.300 now is seeing that safe space that he could occupy withering away and being taken away from him and
00:46:52.780 so this article I mean I'm sure you're gonna go through it's mad how angry he is well fundamentally
00:46:57.740 what you're talking about there in terms of perspectives is it was cool and edgy from within
00:47:02.740 the establishment yes from outside of the establishment I think we've all cottoned on
00:47:07.860 to Farage's game and what he's been doing for a long while now but from within the establishment
00:47:12.380 everything has to remain firmly within their Overton window their their their sort of like
00:47:18.880 breadth of conversation which Farage was like one of the most right would points of it for a long
00:47:24.400 time but what we're talking about is an attempt to remove politics from the establishment and
00:47:30.340 to shift the Overton window I mean that's that's Rupert's express stated goal make politics work
00:47:36.880 for the people of Britain and not for the political establishment.
00:47:41.520 It's moving the locus of control away from special interest groups
00:47:46.360 or international law or liberal platitudes
00:47:48.860 and putting it back in the people themselves.
00:47:52.440 I mean, literally on the billboards,
00:47:53.780 a party that puts the British people first.
00:47:55.700 You can hear the howling from every special interest group that exists.
00:48:00.740 And so that means that it's not that we aren't understanding
00:48:06.760 or can't make concessions.
00:48:08.220 Sure.
00:48:08.500 But it does mean that the special pleading won't work anymore
00:48:11.400 when you prioritise your own interest over...
00:48:13.300 Well, are we going to get into the special pleading?
00:48:14.760 Yeah, well, over the potential reputation destruction
00:48:17.180 of ignoring the special pleading.
00:48:19.560 And what I think has happened is that...
00:48:21.420 And also, we're not trying to insult the electorate,
00:48:24.460 the people who are going to still currently be thinking
00:48:27.160 that reform is the best vehicle for this type of politics.
00:48:30.520 I do not blame them necessarily for thinking the way that they do. 1.00
00:48:34.240 I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to call them idiots. 1.00
00:48:36.480 No, not at all. 1.00
00:48:36.960 This was the discussion that we had with Peter McCormick when he was on a few weeks ago,
00:48:42.540 was that even when it comes to Green Party voters, the younger segment of voters,
00:48:47.060 given their concerns, given how they see their own future or lack thereof,
00:48:52.260 I'm not going to blame them.
00:48:53.880 Oh, it's totally rational.
00:48:54.920 And I don't think that just insulting people is a winning ticket to win them over to your side.
00:49:00.820 Brendan O'Neill does, though, because he's written this basically like the British political Seth
00:49:04.460 Rogan. This is like a script from The Boys. I'm not going to read very much. I think Luca
00:49:08.540 mentioned some of this yesterday. But one of the worst paragraphs in here is that he says,
00:49:15.380 right now, the best thing that Burnham has going for him is not his own thin, stilted,
00:49:19.520 distinctly sub-Obama, I'm a normal bloke, bollocks. It's restores nerds, nicking votes
00:49:23.520 from reform and then gloating about it on X
00:49:25.000 because everything's an effing joke to them.
00:49:26.700 There are votes, leave us alone.
00:49:28.720 It's so weak.
00:49:29.600 It's so weak.
00:49:30.560 Smacks of entitlement.
00:49:31.740 And this doesn't rub people the right way.
00:49:34.320 Restore is the enemy of populism.
00:49:35.800 It's a cult of personality pretending to be a party.
00:49:38.320 Flo, who is MP for Great Yarmor,
00:49:40.280 famously flounced out of reform.
00:49:41.900 What?
00:49:42.660 The police called on him.
00:49:44.400 He didn't flounce out of reform, Brendan.
00:49:46.360 Yep.
00:49:46.740 And he said it had become the cult of Nigel.
00:49:48.460 That's rich from a man whose online army
00:49:50.040 of tongue-lolling acolytes would make Kim Jong-un wince.
00:49:52.640 sorry we're having fun with the memes
00:49:54.240 like sorry sorry you're mad
00:49:55.960 restore is an almost entirely digital phenomenon
00:49:58.340 not according to those who are registering the canvassing
00:50:01.080 in the constituency that you're pleading
00:50:03.820 for restore not to split the vote on
00:50:05.720 having eschewed the hard work of building real networks
00:50:08.400 and real communities in favour of forging a virtual refuge
00:50:11.160 for the socially inept who yell deport on a loop
00:50:13.380 and jizz when Elon Musk retweets them
00:50:15.160 I tell you that is just not what it's like in restore
00:50:17.840 it's mums and dads mate
00:50:19.580 and anytime you make these accusations
00:50:22.060 you're trying to make these arguments,
00:50:23.400 you're trying to persuade people
00:50:24.680 or discourage them from even showing up,
00:50:26.760 you want minimal friction between people's perceptions
00:50:29.440 and what you're trying to say.
00:50:31.160 Because otherwise, you will fall into the gap.
00:50:33.840 And this is just not the impression people are getting
00:50:36.460 when there are already local branches across the country
00:50:38.680 with hundreds of people attending them.
00:50:40.120 It's the gayest political movement in Britain. 1.00
00:50:41.740 You are totally right when it's like, 1.00
00:50:43.380 this is the boys of political analysis.
00:50:45.440 God, it really is.
00:50:46.260 So faux-edgy. 1.00
00:50:48.040 Well, also, it's not the gayest political movement in Britain 0.96
00:50:49.940 because reform currently have the highest level of gay support 0.99
00:50:52.360 because they've just stolen all the Tory votes and spats. 0.99
00:50:54.600 Exactly.
00:50:55.200 Like, the joke is from Restore's tempestuous annons
00:50:59.900 is in the mentions of Restore's surrogates is, 1.00
00:51:03.580 bro, the gay chemsex parties have probably fried your brain. 1.00
00:51:05.640 Stop posting coal. 1.00
00:51:06.640 It's like, sorry, but you can't really accuse, you know,
00:51:08.840 the married dads of doing that.
00:51:11.000 But, of course, Brendan O'Neill, his real issue is in this article
00:51:15.320 where, and we can see here,
00:51:17.540 the crank right is the mirror image of the woke left it has replaced the left's ethno-narcissism 0.87
00:51:21.940 with its own ethno-nationalism and the crank right even wallows in the same cesspit of jew 0.58
00:51:26.420 wariness as the woke left i think we found the issue i think we found the core issue and it is 0.53
00:51:32.060 that brendan o'neill is an ethno-nationalist for israel but britain has to be a nation of liberal
00:51:36.060 values well that's that's the thing it's not that anybody in the restore camp has said publicly or
00:51:43.340 even privately when i've spoken to them god i just hate you so much i just want them out of the
00:51:47.880 country it's they're not even alleging it yeah it's that they're not willing to put that one
00:51:54.160 special group as the center of all of their politics which is literally what brendan o'neill's
00:51:59.240 allegation is here yeah you're not you're not putting israel first and therefore you are a
00:52:05.020 problem yes our friend enemy issue is not israel it's our own country the demographic composition
00:52:09.680 and the kind of country we're going to hand off to our children.
00:52:11.700 And I'm sorry, angry weirdo, that your loyalties lie elsewhere.
00:52:16.240 And the thing is as well, just a quick thing, 1.00
00:52:17.600 nobody is sympathetic when some crazed Muslim in gold is green 1.00
00:52:23.000 stabs a bunch of Jews. 1.00
00:52:23.900 Or shoots a synagogue or burns down ambulances. 0.99
00:52:26.820 No one is sympathetic to that at all.
00:52:28.520 We're like, why is that person in our country?
00:52:30.220 Exactly.
00:52:30.680 Why are they here to be able to do these things?
00:52:33.040 But we're not putting Israel first.
00:52:35.060 It's just that simple.
00:52:35.920 And unfortunately, some of the people that do put Israel first... 0.73
00:52:39.520 Oh, let's have a bit of class warfare, please.
00:52:41.360 Yeah, some of the people that do put Israel first, Danny Finkelstein. 1.00
00:52:44.880 As soon as you want to deport said Muslims, 0.96
00:52:46.240 he proposed making an alliance with them in the aftermath of terror attacks. 0.99
00:52:48.880 Ah, he literally did, didn't he?
00:52:50.480 That was an amazing one.
00:52:51.440 I don't take you seriously, actually, because you're...
00:52:53.280 Danny, they're stabbing your folk.
00:52:54.480 You're causing the problem.
00:52:55.680 Anyway, I just thought I'd bring up this one,
00:52:57.360 because Tom Slater is one of the editors of Spiked.
00:52:59.840 It's funny that they could say it's termally online.
00:53:01.280 Spiked used to be called Spiked Online, and they took online out of the title.
00:53:04.640 But he clearly doesn't like us very much,
00:53:07.300 because I feel this is definitely a reference to you, Carl.
00:53:09.540 And I do have a funny story about this.
00:53:11.180 I'm totally fine with this, because he doesn't...
00:53:13.540 Go on.
00:53:14.180 Well, so I got invited to the trigonometry Christmas party,
00:53:17.360 because for some reason,
00:53:19.540 that's one of the only places I'm not cancelled from.
00:53:21.300 Weird that.
00:53:21.860 And my wife was actually having a chat to Tom Slater,
00:53:24.080 and he didn't realise who she was, 1.00
00:53:25.060 because she's a total anon. 0.99
00:53:26.120 And then he mentioned that she was there.
00:53:27.740 He literally just turned his back on her.
00:53:29.680 Yeah.
00:53:30.180 So they really...
00:53:30.820 They have a real weird stick in their core about us.
00:53:33.820 um but sorry mate we're just we're just not going to put the weird country in the middle east over
00:53:38.720 over our own interests but this is great so this is a bit of lazy class warfare so you have to make
00:53:43.240 sure that my invitation to the next christmas party doesn't get lost in the post yeah quite
00:53:46.480 mate rupert lowe is a privately educated multi-millionaire okay great great so he's not
00:53:51.400 going to be like farage and just get bought out by people being like and literally farage has said
00:53:56.800 this to rupert you guys have made your money i need to make mine it's like yeah no i i'm happy
00:54:01.840 that Rupert Lowe isn't just going to be sold out.
00:54:04.000 I mean, like the Guardian, the Reddit commentator made,
00:54:06.700 Rupert Lowe's a zealous, he truly believes it.
00:54:08.040 Yeah, he doesn't, he's not in it for that.
00:54:10.340 But what I love about this,
00:54:11.120 like these boys are all high on Warhammer glue.
00:54:13.120 Do you know what the average age
00:54:14.040 of a Warhammer 40,000 player is?
00:54:16.120 It's a 50.
00:54:18.540 It's getting closer every day. 0.51
00:54:20.320 It is.
00:54:20.840 No, no. 1.00
00:54:21.160 Because the Zoomers can't afford a full army. 1.00
00:54:23.380 Yeah. 1.00
00:54:23.700 But go to a War Games club, it's dads.
00:54:26.520 Yeah.
00:54:26.700 It's their Wednesday night where they get to go
00:54:28.660 and play with their little toy soldiers.
00:54:30.080 It's all dads.
00:54:30.920 like you don't know what you're talking about tom sorry anyway let's carry on yep and i'm just
00:54:34.900 gonna i'm just gonna breathe so funny let me defend the war honor it's not about defending 0.95
00:54:39.160 our honor it's just that we are all dads right it's it literally it's a bunch of fat bald men
00:54:44.700 who are just like yeah the wife and kids are at home and i get to play army toys right that's
00:54:48.800 that's literally what it is it's just it's not about angry young men it's about the parents of
00:54:54.160 the country who've had enough anyway so breeze through these because um again the pattern is
00:54:59.900 obvious. Melanie Phillips decided to take an interest in... Hang on a second, that's a great
00:55:03.920 headline. Most of this article is an endorsement. Oh, okay. That's the thing that I'm going to be
00:55:08.820 pointing out when I mention it in the next segment. Yeah, so I just thought I'd give a
00:55:12.540 breezy mention, because there is a pattern here. And then, again, conspicuously, there was a Jewish 1.00
00:55:15.800 news piece trying to use Steve Laws as leverage against the party, trying to drive a wedge between
00:55:21.940 the base that they think are not voting for Rupert Lowe, or they're voting for Steve Laws
00:55:26.860 by proxy or something? And also Rupert himself. And this piece was conspicuously timed with
00:55:31.860 Lois Perry tweeting out old clips of Steve Laws and Andrew Gould having a debate, where
00:55:37.320 Steve Laws, I mean, I mean, Steve Laws is a Zionist, because, well, because obviously
00:55:42.060 he'd need an Israel in order to deport Andrew Gould back there. So he actually agrees with 0.97
00:55:45.620 the existence of the nation of Israel.
00:55:46.700 Steve, are you going to take that?
00:55:49.420 My mentions are going to be a mess after this podcast.
00:55:52.920 That's a good point, Steve. How are you going to respond to these allegations?
00:55:56.860 Anyway, I have to bring these things on myself.
00:56:00.660 So Lois kept quote-retweeting these clips,
00:56:04.060 coincides with the Jewish news piece,
00:56:06.460 and she says that my moles in Restore
00:56:08.560 tell me Kemi Baden-Ock is in daily contact
00:56:10.120 with Rupert Lowe, untrue,
00:56:11.600 has been promised a very senior role
00:56:13.440 in a potential Tory government for thwarting reform.
00:56:15.900 Also untrue...
00:56:16.720 Hang on, hang on, sorry, sorry.
00:56:18.200 Why would you think there's ever going to be
00:56:19.560 a Tory government again?
00:56:21.420 Because they're in reform.
00:56:22.840 Yeah, exactly.
00:56:23.800 Well, yeah, but the Tories aren't going to win anything.
00:56:26.360 I mean, again, the most consequential election
00:56:29.440 that we're looking at right now,
00:56:31.140 they're polling 2% according to that servation.
00:56:33.820 They're not coming up.
00:56:34.940 All of these reports,
00:56:36.180 Restore seems to be coming up all the time.
00:56:38.340 Nobody has mentioned anything of the Tories.
00:56:40.560 They're just dead and buried.
00:56:42.340 I am grateful that Kimmy Baden-Ock
00:56:43.440 makes the occasional blunder
00:56:44.380 because it reminds me that Tories exist.
00:56:45.700 I get a good laugh.
00:56:47.200 And then she did another tweet saying,
00:56:49.020 Rupert Lowe just confirmed to a mutual acquaintance of ours
00:56:51.160 in writing that Steve Laws
00:56:52.360 has an official administrative role in Restore Britain.
00:56:54.980 This is the same man who told Andrew Gold
00:56:56.540 that as a British Jew, he was foreign and needed to go home.
00:56:59.160 That's a lie.
00:57:00.400 He just lied.
00:57:01.340 And that lie originated actually from Lance Foreman.
00:57:03.560 Oh, really?
00:57:04.040 Yeah, Lance Foreman admits he got confused
00:57:05.900 between Steve Laws and Scott Benton.
00:57:07.780 Ah, right.
00:57:08.160 The great irony of that is that Scott Benton
00:57:09.660 is currently receiving criticism 0.90
00:57:10.680 because he's apparently smothered in Hebrew tattoos. 0.97
00:57:12.440 Because he's a Zionist. 0.95
00:57:13.580 Yeah, so, you know, easy mistake to make, you know. 0.97
00:57:16.260 He's a Zionist. 0.94
00:57:18.060 Just to be clear, though,
00:57:19.400 we know everyone involved in this conversation.
00:57:22.320 Yeah.
00:57:22.780 It's not true.
00:57:23.400 Steve is not a party employee. He then rang Rupert Lowe and decided to try and subject him
00:57:29.720 to some sort of struggle session or extortion racket by saying that, oh, do you find Steve
00:57:35.000 Laws' comments grossly offensive? And Rupert Lowe said, yeah, I don't agree with Steve Laws because
00:57:40.340 I'm not Steve Laws. Why are you trying to make me answer things Steve Laws said? If you want to find
00:57:44.580 out what Steve Laws said, go talk to Steve Laws. Yeah. Pretty vocal on Twitter. These bad faith
00:57:50.580 tactics just reflecting really poorly on reform. And actually, I think it was in here that they
00:57:56.040 got the quote from Rupert asking. And Rupert said of Laws, it was, where was it? It's down here
00:58:03.980 somewhere. Daily Mail just buried. Steve Laws says it's up to Steve Laws. It has absolutely nothing
00:58:08.740 to do with us. Yeah, exactly. We're not going to audit our membership and subject them to
00:58:12.880 cancellation strategies. We're not going to allow Hope Not Hate to vet our own candidates for us
00:58:16.760 reform it's just a simple practice of you don't have to engage in these ritualistic denunciation
00:58:22.520 exercises just say i don't care well regarding the hope not hate thing there was that recent
00:58:27.200 controversy regarding the local branch that tried to do that but that was immediately reversed as
00:58:33.060 far as i can tell by the actual party yeah yeah because the local branch members you don't have
00:58:37.360 the power to kick people out of the party as a local branch organizer yeah so and this was just
00:58:41.580 an abundance of caution on their part um but and i'll skip to the to skip to the end because of
00:58:46.120 time but the reason they're freaking out is another piece was published in in the eye today
00:58:50.760 oh yeah and the headline says it a lot um farage is the nando's lemon and herb and and is that bad
00:58:56.660 that's the mild flavor yeah if that's that's if you don't like any spice at all right yeah so this
00:59:02.340 is uh a senior that's correct well yeah so a senior reform source actually spoke to the eye
00:59:08.240 it says down here somewhere and they say that uh lowe's main purpose in life seems to be destroyed
00:59:15.280 Nigel Farage and Reform, but they did concede Lowe's outfit posed a threat. There's going to
00:59:19.960 be a lot of anger if they split the vote in Makerfield and they somehow let Burnham slip
00:59:23.560 through the middle. I can't see the public cutting them much slack for that. They're admitting that
00:59:27.820 Restore probably will cost them the election, whether or not Restore can win it, and they're
00:59:34.060 angry because this is a problem of their own making. And Restore Britain just responded,
00:59:38.240 Reform are clearly seeing the same level of support for Restore Britain in Makerfield as we 0.96
00:59:42.040 are, it is evident to anyone with an ex-account that they're shitting themselves. Good. And it's 0.90
00:59:46.440 because the gap between the insults you're trying to project onto Restore aren't convincing people,
00:59:52.220 you're understating the level of support that everyone that's visited the constituency knows
00:59:55.920 they have on the ground there. And this is why, there's a guy called Robert Ford, who's a
01:00:00.780 professor of politics at the University of Manchester. This is why he said,
01:00:05.940 Burnham is going to win anyway, and I want Starmer out, so I may as well register my discontent with
01:00:10.060 Farage being the equivalent of Nando's
01:00:12.120 Lemon and Herb, while Low is
01:00:14.020 Full Heat. I mean, it really is the
01:00:16.020 question, though, if you want Starmer out,
01:00:17.900 why aren't, why are you even contesting the seat?
01:00:20.940 If you want Starmer
01:00:22.040 out, which was literally your slogan
01:00:24.200 in the local elections. And is these
01:00:26.120 inconsistencies, these lies, and
01:00:28.040 the feeling that actually, among
01:00:30.180 some of Reform's surrogates,
01:00:31.960 representing the British people, first
01:00:34.000 and foremost, is not their highest priority,
01:00:36.340 that is putting people off,
01:00:37.840 and I think you're right, I think reform fear
01:00:40.200 a preference cascade in the direction of Restore Britain
01:00:42.420 because they're worried about being the bug burger
01:00:44.260 whereas Restore Britain is a genuine article
01:00:46.120 Agreed
01:00:46.980 We had another rumble rant
01:00:49.800 off topic, but did you see the Dark Lord
01:00:52.460 himself calling out Starmer? My question is
01:00:54.340 did the robot listen to its true master?
01:00:57.220 No, I think Starmer's gone a bit
01:00:58.500 off script from Blair to be perfectly
01:01:00.500 honest, especially with people like Wes Streeting
01:01:02.520 quitting the cabinet position
01:01:03.700 An ironic Starmerite at this point crushed them all
01:01:06.620 Well, in comparison to the alternatives within the liberal party, I mean, you've kind of got to go with the least worst option.
01:01:13.820 Anyway, so it's been referenced a few times so far, this podcast, but I think it's better taking a more in-depth look at the fact that in Western politics in general,
01:01:23.540 there seems to be an umbrella that most politics has to operate under, which has become clearer and clearer over the past few years.
01:01:31.440 and we're starting to set up alternatives so that we can have our own politics on our own terms and
01:01:37.240 be able to represent ourselves unashamedly and one of the big examples of this and really what
01:01:43.140 the establishment finds acceptable and what it doesn't find acceptable was in this article that
01:01:48.960 we highlighted a few times now but we'll go over in a little bit more detail here which was Melanie
01:01:53.920 Phillips article for the Times called Restores Extremism is a Problem for Nigel Farage. Now
01:02:00.800 it was mentioned um in the last segment that most of this article is actually basically an
01:02:06.320 endorsement for restore if you are somebody who cares about the british people policies that will
01:02:11.580 benefit them and not benefit foreign interests whether that be islamic foreign interests or
01:02:17.640 otherwise um it's a bit of a it's a bit of a ringing endorsement for them well just what i
01:02:23.840 love about this is they're caught in a kind of double bind here as well accurately characterizing
01:02:28.620 restores message is an endorsement of restore because it's a message that's so far out of the
01:02:33.140 norm out of the mainstream that people oh yeah that sounds pretty good but then inaccurately
01:02:37.600 and mischaracterizing it as in he's going to deport whole communities well that's also an
01:02:42.460 endorsement like oh it really is going to get the entire community of child rapists out of the
01:02:47.280 country is he and he asked well i never said everyone it's like well they're saying you're
01:02:52.240 saying it so you know just saying um the point being it's also an endorsement and it also but
01:02:57.680 But it's interesting that they see these things as an attack and then how they try to lump you
01:03:03.660 in with different political factions as a sort of guilt by association. But also is interesting in
01:03:08.980 this article is the way in which Melanie Phillips herself mischaracterizes these other political
01:03:14.840 factions and seems to have no understanding of what she's talking about because she seems to
01:03:19.860 have just lumped in everybody who she sees is not explicitly on her side together. Because Melanie
01:03:26.180 Phillips has been an anti-radical Islam activist for a long while. She's been associated with the
01:03:32.920 Conservative Party. She was former a leftist. She used to write The Guardian. Many are, many are,
01:03:38.020 but I believe now she's quite well associated with people like Douglas Murray. So for a long time,
01:03:42.780 as somebody on social media pointed out to me, she'd been banging the tub, she'd been banging
01:03:47.240 the drum for Britain and for England, until all of a sudden you start to get this offshoot politics
01:03:54.620 with restore who are more explicitly for britain and not for anybody else just for britain at which
01:04:01.400 point she's got a big problem so let's examine that so first of all here's just the ringing
01:04:05.360 endorsement that we find in here sorry just quickly i love that she characterizes what you've
01:04:09.580 just said as a form of extremism oh absolutely having a politics for us is an extreme first and 0.96
01:04:15.900 foremost and i don't think that this is mischaracterizing her at all she is a rabid 0.98
01:04:21.920 ultra-nationalist for her own people. She's been explicit about this. She's been very very clear
01:04:27.740 about this and she absolutely has the right to be. I think it's perfectly rational and normal for
01:04:33.120 people to have a great and endearing love for their own people. It's the fact that when other
01:04:38.100 people start to do that same thing it suddenly becomes a problem. You see the double standard
01:04:42.620 and you see the umbrella that all of politics is having to operate under. So she says,
01:04:47.280 So a wife, she carries on, who knew her husband had been involved but said nothing,
01:05:13.600 can go back to Pakistan, 0.78
01:05:15.740 apparently even if she holds British citizenship,
01:05:18.160 which suggests the way that she's writing this,
01:05:21.380 that this is somehow a bad thing.
01:05:23.060 But if you're a member of the Jewish community, 1.00
01:05:24.960 why wouldn't you support that?
01:05:26.580 Especially for someone who's a long-time
01:05:28.560 anti-radical Islam activist as well. 0.90
01:05:31.160 This means fewer Jews get stabbed in the face 0.94
01:05:33.500 and gold is green.
01:05:34.380 So there's a bit of a split.
01:05:35.340 If nothing else.
01:05:36.300 There are some that agree with that position.
01:05:38.480 There are others...
01:05:39.620 Yeah, like the Andrew Golds
01:05:40.500 who agree with that position.
01:05:41.880 Sort of.
01:05:42.820 There are...
01:05:43.140 No, he does.
01:05:43.820 He crashed out on me and called me privately a Nazi recently,
01:05:45.960 despite me...
01:05:46.280 Well, okay, I don't know what he calls you privately.
01:05:48.060 Despite that, there are others who say
01:05:52.500 you can't repeal these specific laws
01:05:54.960 that allow infinite numbers of refugees to come in,
01:05:59.300 because if you would have repealed this law,
01:06:00.920 then my grandparents, who were fleeing the Holocaust
01:06:03.160 and the Kindertransport, wouldn't have come in.
01:06:04.620 And they refused to draw qualitative distinctions
01:06:07.080 between the types of people that have come in.
01:06:09.420 But also, your grandparents came in
01:06:12.440 before we had these laws they came in during world war ii when something was happening and
01:06:17.200 these laws were put into effect after world war ii to make sure that if something like this
01:06:21.100 happened again there would be a legal protection but you didn't need the legal protection when you
01:06:25.460 came here because we are actually a generous and charitable country that wants to do the right thing
01:06:29.220 and if we feel it's the right thing to do something then we'll just do it we don't need a law to tell 0.73
01:06:33.760 us the mistrust is that any white host majority population that possesses their own country will
01:06:39.120 morphed ineluctably into adolf hitler and they're incorrect and you're making the more persuasive
01:06:42.540 argument but unfortunately that no i agree i know that i know that's what they think that's the
01:06:46.000 barrier we're running up against but it is amusing that in the way that this manifests in this article
01:06:50.320 it turns into her holding up a list of the most space things ever and says is this you pretty
01:06:55.620 shameful don't you think the only reason i don't want this on a t-shirt is because it's too long
01:06:58.680 to print yeah yes boil it down to a few bullet points please melanie but uh the the thing that
01:07:04.320 people pointed out that really seemed to show
01:07:06.500 where her mind is when writing
01:07:08.560 this article was the fact that she drew
01:07:10.260 a comparison between Restore
01:07:12.460 and their
01:07:14.060 constituents with 0.59
01:07:16.260 the Gruypers,
01:07:18.200 stating that the fact that Restore
01:07:20.180 attracts such people, referring to
01:07:22.420 the man from the Vox Populi interview
01:07:24.220 who was very articulate. But the dad?
01:07:26.380 The dad who calmly explained what
01:07:28.300 the problems were. Yes, because
01:07:30.000 of the fact that he showed great
01:07:32.360 opposition to
01:07:34.100 pointless foreign wars,
01:07:36.700 she was therefore able to lump
01:07:38.680 him in with this larger group
01:07:40.600 of people that she also disagrees with
01:07:42.400 because they are not willing to get down on their knees
01:07:44.720 and worship her for her ethnic
01:07:46.620 background. Right? She says
01:07:48.620 the fact that Restore attracts such
01:07:50.520 people mirrors the way Trump's MAGA movement 0.57
01:07:52.580 has given birth to the Groypers, 0.94
01:07:54.840 the rabid conspiracy theorists and 0.99
01:07:56.540 isolationists led by the
01:07:58.320 podcaster Tucker Carlson
01:08:00.400 who ludicrously
01:08:02.520 blame the jews for pressuring america into foreign wars against its own interests i thought
01:08:06.820 it was marco rubio that said that yeah yeah literally marco said that that was that one
01:08:11.740 that was a conspiracy theory marco rubio just bit clearly the u.s secretary of state who's the guy
01:08:17.340 who would know clearly rubio is an insider gruyper trying to sabotage the uh the administration
01:08:22.980 marco rubio's long game gruyper he's been reading too many conspiracy theories in between reports
01:08:28.440 from the administration just for anyone who doesn't know what this boomer's talking about
01:08:31.840 The Gropers are actually not MAGA, they're America first,
01:08:34.800 and their leader is Nick Fuentes,
01:08:36.320 and he is well outside of the current social media consensus.
01:08:40.760 I mean, he had the interview with Tucker Carlson,
01:08:43.700 and now they hate each other all over again,
01:08:46.360 because a week later Nick decided to go off on Tucker.
01:08:50.080 No, Tucker did accuse him of being a purveyor of blood guilt 0.90
01:08:54.800 on a gay Fed again, and it was unnecessary. 0.97
01:08:57.320 Well, there's a lot of unnecessary backstabbing. 0.99
01:08:59.720 There are a lot of feds, gay, not gay, you know, I'm joking. 0.99
01:09:03.640 That's true. 0.98
01:09:04.340 But everybody went, huh?
01:09:05.840 Do you even know what you are talking about here?
01:09:08.700 She doesn't, and it doesn't matter to her that she does.
01:09:10.460 And Josh tried to call this out.
01:09:12.700 In fact, everybody tried to call this out.
01:09:14.360 But she decided to come out and defend her gaffe
01:09:17.240 by saying that the Groypers has become a generic term
01:09:19.420 for the subgroup of white nationalists, isolationists,
01:09:22.060 and conspiracy theorists whose most prominent personality
01:09:24.180 is Tucker Carlson.
01:09:25.500 It's not true, though.
01:09:26.240 It just isn't true.
01:09:27.020 which just isn't true
01:09:28.960 Google search
01:09:29.680 would have saved you
01:09:30.420 this problem
01:09:30.820 that's really funny
01:09:32.440 just everyone I don't like
01:09:33.520 is a gruyper
01:09:34.080 oh okay
01:09:34.820 but that's literally it
01:09:36.060 everybody who isn't for me
01:09:38.820 is a gruyper 0.99
01:09:39.920 who is just a Nazi 0.99
01:09:41.600 in disguise 0.71
01:09:42.340 this is what Claire Fox
01:09:43.320 said in the
01:09:43.940 in the
01:09:44.640 in the cope session
01:09:45.600 yeah yeah
01:09:45.900 and she just said
01:09:47.000 I see gruypers
01:09:47.740 everywhere in the UK 1.00
01:09:48.460 they're peddling this
01:09:49.420 like low rent form
01:09:50.160 of no nationalism
01:09:50.800 how do we
01:09:51.820 the older people 1.00
01:09:52.560 gatekeep them out 1.00
01:09:53.200 of institutions 0.58
01:09:53.700 because of course
01:09:54.360 the major problem
01:09:55.040 with Britain's
01:09:55.500 political institutions 1.00
01:09:56.080 is too many young people. 1.00
01:09:59.000 Obviously. 0.96
01:09:59.980 Obviously.
01:10:01.060 Sorry, go on.
01:10:01.580 That's a overlap with the boomer mindset.
01:10:04.300 But also, again, so we've got an idea
01:10:06.200 of what is unacceptable within the establishment, 0.99
01:10:09.280 because she could be seen as an establishment figure. 1.00
01:10:11.720 Oh, completely. 0.98
01:10:12.280 She absolutely is.
01:10:14.300 Okay, so what is acceptable
01:10:16.140 for somebody of a high position within the establishment
01:10:19.540 to go and say publicly,
01:10:21.460 which is filmed and released on the internet,
01:10:23.800 where presumably they just think that,
01:10:25.640 nobody's going to watch this, right?
01:10:28.200 Well, we can find out from a number of clips
01:10:30.180 that have been circulating of her recently,
01:10:32.980 where this is one of my favourite ones
01:10:35.220 that started circulating in July of last year,
01:10:37.920 where at a conference she was asked
01:10:40.920 whether the Goyim, using that actual term,
01:10:44.860 the Goyim, which if you remember is the same term
01:10:48.040 that Jeffrey Epstein and associates used
01:10:50.080 to describe people like us...
01:10:51.940 It's a derogatory term that describes any non-G.
01:10:53.980 Yes, should be Christian or atheist while speaking to an audience in Jerusalem.
01:10:58.840 Let's just play a bit of the clip. 0.85
01:11:00.580 Concerning being religious or coming back to being civilized,
01:11:06.380 there are two different agendas.
01:11:07.800 One of Rav O'Risharki, who sits with us today, 0.77
01:11:11.520 that says that the goyim should be Bnei Noach. 1.00
01:11:16.140 They shouldn't be like religious Christians. 0.99
01:11:19.500 And the second is Yom Kazonis or Dennis Prager or maybe other conservative intellectuals who say to them, be good Christians. 1.00
01:11:31.360 So which agenda do you think is the best?
01:11:34.440 Be good Christians. But please, be good Christians of the kind of Christian that love us.
01:11:40.940 So there's the boundaries set for national politics of the Goyen. 0.89
01:11:45.060 So don't be Catholic. 0.59
01:11:45.680 it's essentially but that's that's interesting that in the foreign nation they can see they can
01:11:52.480 happily discuss again the umbrella the boundaries of our national politics how should it be their
01:11:58.300 concern sorry you don't get to decide what kind of religion we do or don't have but it has to
01:12:03.400 always be centered in melanie phillips mind around them so i have a story um oh yes so i when i got
01:12:12.560 taken on an Israel trip last year to see the holy sites before one side or the other decided to bomb
01:12:16.600 it into rubble. The Israel trip, I didn't go on, by the way. Yeah, I know, you got invited. Some
01:12:20.140 other people went on it and haven't disclosed, but you know, I won't drop the minute. Anyway,
01:12:23.600 no, it was well worth it because you get some insight into the conflicts of the region and why
01:12:27.340 it's really not our problem. So Melanie Phillips is one of the speakers, because what they did is
01:12:32.140 they took us on this exhausting tour around all the different places, and I got to see the Church
01:12:35.220 of the Holy Sepulchre, fantastic. And then they would give us sort of like lectures and seminars
01:12:38.920 from people that were trying to put across a obviously pro-Israel narrative. And Melanie was
01:12:46.180 the last one. And there was a sort of 20 minute argument in the Q&A between myself and a couple
01:12:50.480 of other people saying, you're putting forward a case for why you had to basically flee Britain,
01:12:56.520 spend most of your time living in Israel now because of all the antisemitism. That comes
01:12:59.460 mainly from Islam. I don't like Islam very much. You've written books about Islam. If we were to 1.00
01:13:03.560 eject Islam from Britain and engage in Islamic remigration, would you support that? And she said
01:13:08.360 because she said wasn't that what all of your activism has been directed towards because she
01:13:14.440 was worried about the rise of the far right she was and i pointed out and i just said look
01:13:18.820 you are saying that britain can't have the same standard of national identity
01:13:22.880 where the british people which is an ethnic group the english scottish walsh and irish
01:13:27.140 have the primary claim to their own country they are represented first in their culture 0.95
01:13:31.340 and they have the the predominant say in their own politics you are saying that we can't have
01:13:35.440 that, but they should support Israel having that because that is successful in Israel, and that
01:13:39.080 because Jews are a global minority, they deserve that kind of country, when we are also a global 0.91
01:13:43.240 minority, and we're about to become a minority in our own country, and Israelis would not put up 1.00
01:13:46.760 with Jews becoming a minority in Israel, so why do we have to do the same? And she said to me,
01:13:50.580 in so many words, almost a direct quote, if you think that that kind of ethno-nationalism is
01:13:56.320 going to get far in Britain, I have another thing to tell you. There's a Jewish guy at the back of 0.95
01:13:59.700 the room that just shouted, I'm an ethno-nationalist for Israel, I don't see why they can't be
01:14:02.980 basically for britain now i don't even use that term but if you're going to insist that double
01:14:07.680 standard has to persist then you're going to lose people and people are just going to see you as an
01:14:11.540 yes yes carrying on along that same line she has made a public speech again this rage against hate
01:14:21.200 speech where she said explicitly that there needs to be some kind of um double standard where you
01:14:28.400 are not uh in britain you're not just british jews with judaism added on you're part of the
01:14:33.260 jewish people in the jewish nation and that should come first first and foremost you are jews
01:14:38.560 everything else is secondary which is where all of this politics is coming from that she is putting
01:14:44.700 herself and her group first fascinating comment at the bottom there this is almost exactly what
01:14:49.700 jonathan pollard said after fleeing to israel who's been writing all of the hit pieces against
01:14:54.800 restore Britain in the last couple of days
01:14:56.660 in the Mail and the Telegraph?
01:14:59.520 What on earth?
01:15:00.340 It's for me and not for thee.
01:15:01.740 Just remarkable.
01:15:03.840 There have been some very strange other comments
01:15:05.820 that she's made recently
01:15:06.860 because she's got a new book out.
01:15:08.440 Oh yeah.
01:15:08.940 And she has been speaking about this book.
01:15:11.100 Isn't that the, what is it,
01:15:11.880 the Builder's Stone or something, I think?
01:15:13.860 It's a handbook on how to tackle
01:15:16.140 what she sees as a rise of anti-Jewish hate
01:15:18.640 in the West at the moment.
01:15:21.080 And she says that what you need to do
01:15:23.760 is engage in psychological warfare and psyops to get people to...
01:15:28.560 Can we listen to this clip, just to make sure that we're not misquoting?
01:15:31.360 No, of course.
01:15:32.380 One of the things I say briefly in the book is that what we've all been up against over decades
01:15:38.160 is nothing short of psychological warfare. 1.00
01:15:42.680 Now, the Jewish community leadership, both in the diaspora and in Israel,
01:15:48.460 doesn't think like that.
01:15:49.660 It doesn't think that in order to fight psychological warfare, you have to use
01:15:55.360 psychological warfare. There are plenty of people in this country who, well not plenty,
01:16:01.580 but there are some, who are experts in what's called psyops. They should be used. They could
01:16:07.600 be drawn upon. These are reservoirs of talent and skill that could be used and harnessed
01:16:14.180 to really make a difference.
01:16:17.940 You have to have people who understand
01:16:19.700 the nature and extent and dimensions of the challenge
01:16:23.740 and who are prepared to buck all the conventional wisdom
01:16:28.600 of all the community leaders
01:16:31.360 who have led us into this appalling situation
01:16:36.260 of being relatively undefended for decades.
01:16:40.340 Why is there a rise in conspiracy theories?
01:16:42.860 plain as day i genuinely thought when that began yeah see they are mischaractered yeah i thought
01:16:48.700 that was editorializing okay fair enough note as well that this was held at the bagan center named
01:16:53.800 after manikin bagan one of the terrorists who conducted the king david bombings oh really the
01:16:59.140 1940s following the second world war um so literally a building named after somebody who
01:17:04.520 helped to kill british servicemen uh thanks very much for that and uh happily when we talk about
01:17:10.060 psyops um well we've got a list from the book uh fighting the hate a handbook for jews and the
01:17:16.320 siege uh where she gives the exact details of how you should do that including use weapons of
01:17:21.780 psychological warfare reputational damage against your tormentors shift the argument onto the ground
01:17:26.800 of your own choosing reframe the narrative uh reclaim the language to restore the proper meaning
01:17:32.760 of words that have been hijacked uh which all sounds an awful lot exactly like the kind of
01:17:37.820 tactics that were being done in this article you would expect that but this this is this is fairly
01:17:43.300 normal um argumentative framing right obviously if you're in an argument about something you've
01:17:49.920 got to reframe the narrative you've got to be positive about your own position be positive
01:17:53.500 about israel but these are not actually terribly sophisticated or unusual things to do you are
01:17:58.980 just doing them for israel and jewish people and that's what i would expect it is i'm gonna do it
01:18:03.420 For my own argument. 0.55
01:18:04.780 Exactly.
01:18:05.120 It's to be expected.
01:18:06.500 It's in a way legitimate from the position of having a preference and love for your own people, history, heritage, culture,
01:18:13.420 and wanting to secure a future for your children.
01:18:15.220 But then you can't say that I also can't have that desire.
01:18:18.040 And I also have to have that desire for your nation at the expense of my own.
01:18:22.040 Yeah, I mean, look at that.
01:18:22.780 Develop curricula to counter anti-Israel propaganda in schools.
01:18:26.260 Why would I have propaganda either for or against about a foreign country in British schools?
01:18:33.320 Why would I have that?
01:18:34.480 When our own children are being propagandised
01:18:36.380 against things like the British Empire.
01:18:38.060 Against their own nation.
01:18:39.080 Yeah, exactly.
01:18:40.140 Like, this is very, very peculiar.
01:18:43.120 And very, very entitled as well.
01:18:44.860 Whoa, hang on.
01:18:45.700 Sorry, last one. 0.96
01:18:47.600 Keep authentic Jewish principles, 0.94
01:18:49.140 as well as an open mind and a suitcase packed.
01:18:51.900 It's exactly what you said.
01:18:53.300 It's always back around the corner.
01:18:54.900 Yeah, but it's not just, like, it's...
01:18:56.600 Sorry, but, like...
01:18:58.560 Apparently, the accusation of dual loyalty
01:19:00.760 is an anti-Semitic trope, right?
01:19:02.620 Sure, it's thrown out unfairly to some people.
01:19:04.800 But if you do have one foot out the door at all times,
01:19:07.440 like, sorry, we don't have a backup country.
01:19:09.480 And I don't really care if you're going to call
01:19:10.900 the vehicle by which we're hoping to regain possession
01:19:13.780 of that country mean names,
01:19:15.960 because unlike you, I don't have a backup nation to go to
01:19:18.820 if this goes badly.
01:19:20.260 Sorry, also this second to last one,
01:19:22.240 believe in the greatness of the eternal Jewish people.
01:19:24.540 That sounds like an anti-Semitic trope. 1.00
01:19:26.800 Not going to lie. 0.93
01:19:28.080 Like, that sounds like something
01:19:29.300 that you would have seen in the 1940s.
01:19:31.800 In the pages of Dashturma, yeah.
01:19:32.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
01:19:34.420 But again, I would not have any problem with English people
01:19:39.040 having that kind of self-esteem about themselves.
01:19:41.320 And I have no problem with Jews having it in Israel. 0.96
01:19:42.960 It's the fact that she wants to cordon off that kind of dignity 0.97
01:19:47.940 and self-esteem from us, because what this tells us
01:19:51.840 is that somebody like Melanie Phillips is happy to sort of piggyback
01:19:54.780 off of a faction within conservative politics for a decade or two
01:19:59.500 that presents a form of patriotism but only allows it so long as it's a carve out for what 1.00
01:20:04.880 she actually wants. Whereas what we're actually aiming for is a patriotism, is a politics that
01:20:10.760 doesn't have to be a carve out of somebody else's larger visions or goals. It can be
01:20:15.620 unapologetically, unashamedly be for us. Yeah, I find this interesting. Ditch the obsession with
01:20:21.480 Holocaust memorialization. That's actually quite canny, I think. No, I think that's another thing 0.73
01:20:26.540 to say yeah yeah that's actually very kenny because one of one of the things about the 0.96
01:20:29.940 holocaust is as it stretches further into the past it becomes far less relevant to the non-boomer
01:20:36.200 generations who live directly in the shadow of world war ii and so it becomes like some sort of 0.51
01:20:40.000 weird alien imposition like they want to put the holocaust memorial in london park in their london
01:20:44.980 parks like that's bizarre this is where nick wenters was mocking it in his interview with
01:20:49.440 piers morgan is to deliberately provoke the taboo right to try and shatter the taboo but there was
01:20:54.820 more that i could go over but we're running up to time now and it's coming up to quarter to three
01:20:58.540 so i think i can cover the rest of it on a daily channel yeah i think so uh but the point i think
01:21:03.780 is well made like the mask genuinely is off it's for me and not for thee and if you want national
01:21:08.920 self-interest i'm going to call you far right whereas she is as far right for her own people
01:21:15.520 as you could ever i mean you're not nearly as advanced as this harry none of us are like none
01:21:22.500 of us have thought this through to this level i'm actually pretty much a wet liberal in comparison
01:21:28.200 to this absolutely so uh so yeah i think we should move on to uh video comments yeah and then wrap
01:21:35.140 us up yeah let's go to the video comments michael says um even online there seems to be a scramble
01:21:40.620 to say we can't split the vote restore is going to split the vote and that guarantees burnham as
01:21:43.580 an xpm i don't think so restore is a real chance to write the ship of state farage just wants bpm
01:21:48.140 them say whatever gets them there i mean from the responses that they are giving us not just the
01:21:52.780 ones we're getting from all because loads of our guys are on the ground in makerfield right we're
01:21:57.220 constantly getting updates from subscribers and friends who are just like yeah jesus christ this
01:22:01.800 and you know when they're like every other door is restored if the labor canvases are saying that
01:22:06.200 like why do we think we're not going to win this also i don't like the farage deserves it yeah no
01:22:11.660 screw no you don't you aren't owed anything you deserve something you know anyway let's go to the
01:22:17.780 Scotland's history is everywhere in our castles, our cathedrals, our standing stones and the
01:22:38.840 landscapes we explore what are you doing that guy is like the uh the liberal that gets trampled
01:22:51.680 to death on the gamplank in the camp of the saints yeah yeah it is i hate it i mean honestly
01:22:56.220 imagine that you're you're having a beautiful walk up to a mountain you think the the the level
01:23:01.340 of peace that i'm about to experience when i get to the top is going to be unlike anything i've ever
01:23:06.220 experience and then you get closer and closer in the distance you start to hear it jamaican block
01:23:12.940 party i i have and you just like you the the edge of that cliff is going to start to look more and
01:23:17.840 more attractive i i have climbed ben nevis right and when you get to the top you are knackered and
01:23:22.780 that is the last thing you want when you get to the top let's go to the next one you have no idea 1.00
01:23:28.760 how bad this snuggle idiot is okay i wake up guess what this idiot wants to do he wants to 1.00
01:23:34.120 cuddle and play with me. 1.00
01:23:36.080 That's at 3 a.m.
01:23:37.480 Then I come home, and guess what he wants to do?
01:23:40.140 He wants to play and cuddle with me.
01:23:42.320 Then I feed him, and he leaves me alone.
01:23:45.120 Okay, that's fine.
01:23:45.840 And then when I'm resting, guess what he wants to do?
01:23:47.660 He wants to cuddle and play with me.
01:23:49.700 The only time he doesn't want to cuddle with me
01:23:51.360 is when I'm learning French, because he knows 0.99
01:23:53.380 that's a demon language. 0.62
01:23:57.700 Tragic.
01:23:59.060 Steak too juicy.
01:24:00.640 Yeah.
01:24:01.480 Beer too cold. I don't like cats.
01:24:03.680 they really like me but i don't i love i'm currently in the turf war with one one of my
01:24:07.460 next neighbors cat that thinks my garden is its litter box i feel like tony soprano with a water
01:24:11.960 gun just sitting on a dressing gown i love cats but god nerf being by making me incredibly allergic
01:24:17.600 to them let's go for the next one i know we all think that the odyssey's gonna bomb but i'm not
01:24:23.400 so sure about that i kind of ran it ran the trailers by my parents a while back and i found
01:24:29.300 interesting that none of them were seeing the problems my mother saw agamemnon is like i like
01:24:34.600 him he looks like a horse that kind of got me thinking about how we talk about how politics
01:24:40.340 are going to be affected by the loss of the boomers but i'm thinking how will culture and 0.96
01:24:45.300 entertainment be affected when they're gone i mean what horror horrific terrors will be revealed to 1.00
01:24:51.600 us when the millennials and zoomers get their hands on the organs of culture i mean you're not wrong 1.00
01:24:58.640 but the only way out is through 1.00
01:25:00.980 I think
01:25:01.600 I think when all the boomers have gone like Hollywood's basically 1.00
01:25:05.020 just going to collapse 0.98
01:25:05.960 and also if you gave Azuma
01:25:09.140 Star Wars it's going to be a vast
01:25:11.000 improvement because we were raised on the prequels
01:25:12.540 yeah true so true
01:25:14.580 to the next one
01:25:16.120 well and here's a dog video to help calm
01:25:19.020 me down
01:25:19.580 on Monday guys you thought it was bad
01:25:23.080 that Jacob Fry wasted
01:25:24.900 his time to praise
01:25:27.400 the accomplishments of George, dead drug addict, Floyd.
01:25:35.440 Oh, it's worse than that.
01:25:37.340 Monday was actually U.S. Memorial Day,
01:25:40.860 where we remember our fallen soldiers.
01:25:44.780 And Fry took the moment to not even bother,
01:25:49.040 to remember their sacrifice on Memorial Day.
01:25:55.840 Yeah.
01:25:57.400 Remember, nothing that you like, they hold sacred at all.
01:26:01.760 Let's go to the next one.
01:26:03.280 Well, it seems that Britain's not the only country 1.00
01:26:06.500 that's going retarded. 1.00
01:26:07.920 So is Australia too, unfortunately. 0.99
01:26:11.220 You likely heard about the Giggle versus Tickle case.
01:26:13.880 Tickle, a man who thinks he's a woman,
01:26:15.780 has successfully sued the female-only app Giggle for Girls.
01:26:18.980 The federal court found Sal Grover, the app founder,
01:26:21.520 discriminated against Roxanne Tickle,
01:26:23.080 and now the case is heading to the High Court. 1.00
01:26:24.920 Do you want to know what this fine lady Tickle looks like? 1.00
01:26:26.260 Oh my, she's a beauty. 1.00
01:26:28.500 This really pisses me off.
01:26:29.440 And to make matters worse, 1.00
01:26:30.120 our first female Prime Minister, 0.99
01:26:31.080 Julia Gillard,
01:26:31.560 actually amended the Sex Discrimination Act in 2013
01:26:33.420 to remove the definition of men and women.
01:26:36.000 Yeah, I actually interviewed Sal on my old show. 0.95
01:26:39.180 Funnily enough, she came into the studio. 0.99
01:26:40.940 Really nice woman. 0.67
01:26:41.940 Drinks more than Leo Kerser. 1.00
01:26:43.120 Ridiculous. 0.99
01:26:44.840 She, this Roxanne Tickle fella, 0.99
01:26:48.040 got her personal phone number
01:26:49.500 when she banned him from the app somehow
01:26:51.120 and started harassing her via text.
01:26:52.620 And she still lost the appeal.
01:26:54.500 Jesus.
01:26:54.900 uh hm butknife permit registry says when canvassing in makefield it was very telling
01:27:00.360 our restore voters were all extremely enthusiastic people same with the undecided every other one was
01:27:06.260 jaded and dispassionate it was very sad to see but everyone we met was very amiable to us
01:27:10.180 regardless of how they voted and makefield seems to be full of lovely people well this honestly
01:27:14.460 is why i think that there could be a cascade a preference cascade in our favor because like
01:27:20.880 reform come across as desperate and needy like this is like i i've had girlfriends where the
01:27:28.220 relationship has been going south and she just won't leave you alone and you're just like okay
01:27:34.200 look i i just need some time and she's like no no no no no you've got to give me and you and
01:27:39.040 eventually it's all right we've got to break up because i just can't i i need time on my own right
01:27:43.920 and that's what reform are coming across like to me the needy girlfriend who realizes the
01:27:49.060 relationship is failing but doesn't know that she needs to have a bit of dignity and poise to save
01:27:53.120 it and reform like and all of them and then you know she starts calling your names and like right 0.99
01:27:57.960 here we're done you know and you walk off and that's it and that's how reformer coming across 0.98
01:28:02.240 whereas restore seem like the cute sort of girl that you met at the coffee shop which is like hey
01:28:06.420 do you want to catch a movie this weekend you're like yeah i would love to actually you know who's 0.97
01:28:11.280 not like constantly on your ass about things and it's just like yeah no that that sounds great 0.77
01:28:15.680 i don't like them either anon 0.97
01:28:17.580 yeah so like i i and i think there's a lot to be said in the spirit and the the morale of each
01:28:28.540 side like reform seem very demoralized labor look kind of demoralized as well but as you say our
01:28:35.920 guys just like you know what we're just gonna go and just smash it we don't care we've done it
01:28:39.780 before and we'll do it again uh daniel says uh given the candidates in posts i wonder if he was
01:28:45.700 one of those thinking or tried to come up uh tried to come across restore after he got in
01:28:49.880 i don't know to be honest oh there was one of these rumble rants that we've not read that i
01:28:54.880 wanted to address which was fallen firebird saying that sorry i didn't say saying that jews have a
01:28:59.200 schizophrenic attitude in european nations because they're mentally besieged by the past from their
01:29:03.360 experiences in europe and from the future by the prospect of islamic domination that can be something
01:29:08.860 that can be something that you notice in in some of them it's not it's not all of them but this is 0.74
01:29:13.320 interesting because they are actually i would argue uh victims of their own elite class in this
01:29:20.160 way because and it's kind of like a boomer holdover as well their older generations you listen to
01:29:25.760 somebody like paul gottfried who is of german jewish background uh speak about it and he has
01:29:30.780 spoken about it publicly saying that in his experience and all of the people that he knew
01:29:35.180 growing growing up like everything that they were taught by the older generations was persecution
01:29:42.960 persecution oppression oppression pogrom pogrom all they are taught about their own history is how
01:29:48.500 we have been brutalized and murdered unfairly for millennia and if we're not careful and if we don't
01:29:55.840 stick together then that's just going to happen the day after tomorrow because the people who
01:30:01.380 aren't us will all rise up and decide for no reason they hate us all of a sudden and that
01:30:05.440 that kind of siege mentality really does become ingrained in them and they pass it on generation
01:30:10.440 to generation so if anything they're kind of victims of their own elite class pushing that
01:30:14.880 on them because it keeps them stuck together it keeps them financially it's not just elite class
01:30:20.320 either it's it's parents the parents yeah like they they indoctrinate them with the memory of
01:30:25.080 the holocaust it's like okay i understand why you're doing it but that has a kind of effect of
01:30:30.160 like psychologically traumatizing effect for future generations it would be the same you're
01:30:35.900 trapped in it forever it'd be the same as like an anti-white liberal parent trying to pass on
01:30:40.400 their own sense of white guilt hatred to their own children and i do think it is quite unfortunate
01:30:46.620 because as a group they have achieved a lot i mean culturally i mean i'm into heavy metal and
01:30:53.020 they've actually made quite a lot of a surprising amount of contribution to those kinds of thing
01:30:57.900 to those kinds of things to literature to comedy uh so it's just unfortunate that that siege
01:31:03.320 mentality is really hammered into them from a very young age and it is quite traumatizing i expect
01:31:09.120 and mom makes a great point here about reform he says they shift with the wind because they
01:31:12.400 don't have a platform they have a window as in you know literally a closing window this
01:31:17.600 necessitates a reactionary strategy since they don't know which direction they'll need to move
01:31:21.020 next it also puts members in a fragile position with no rhetorical backing all bailey and no
01:31:26.100 mott yeah and that is a great summary absolutely great summary that's exactly right and this is
01:31:31.340 why nigel friday's out there now oh if burnham wins he has to call a general election no he
01:31:34.480 doesn't and he's not going to why would he want to uh and because he can feel the window of 0.83
01:31:39.400 opportunity closing and sorry bro sorry uh korak says my wife an egyptian born woman who is now
01:31:47.400 british sister and loves restore and agrees with pretty much everything we've heard the store have
01:31:51.320 said she joined restore is advocating for them whenever she can without any prompting from me
01:31:55.060 she worked hard for her citizenship and honestly believes everyone should do likewise
01:31:58.040 that's again but there's a contingent of women who really like white guys who will like adopt
01:32:04.120 all of this i saw this um i saw this women are meant to join the other tribe yeah i saw this
01:32:08.260 like uh they really are no i know this tick tock or short video from a girl that like she was
01:32:13.540 indian heritage she said oh there's two types of s nas there's people that are really low iq
01:32:17.240 don't like brown people and then there's the the really well-read ones really high iqs have come 0.96
01:32:21.060 this through philosophy and they're the hot ones so of course i of course i did the right thing and 0.99
01:32:25.540 i tagged lander below it yeah you're gonna you're gonna snatch one eventually bro yeah thanks for
01:32:30.700 letting me borrow your bugatti why any any time i see any discussion on twitter of like women like
01:32:36.620 being attracted to right wingers i just immediately see everybody tagging him yeah we gotta find lander
01:32:42.280 a wife it's not fair um henry says all i can think of with the demand of zionism just hits
01:32:49.580 question i keep asking about ukraine okay but why do i have to die overseas in a meat grinder a
01:32:54.180 foreign war for a country uh for the good of a country other than my own and this like again
01:32:58.840 if it's not in any way unreasonable for us to want a politics that prioritizes us it's not
01:33:06.260 unreasonable and so you can call us whatever you want you can say oh aren't you bad for not being
01:33:11.740 richard tyson ukraine at the thing you know like you you can you can call us any name or under the
01:33:17.120 son but at the end of the day it doesn't make it less or any less reasonable for us to say well
01:33:22.260 aren't we the people who politics are supposed to be for yes that's just all it boils down to
01:33:26.360 and so you know you call that extremism if you want melanie phillips but actually i think it's
01:33:31.160 very very reasonable there are no names that you can call me that will have me in risk getting
01:33:37.340 the disapproval of my children for doing nothing to yeah absolutely jimbo says the spike crew made
01:33:42.160 good hay talking about wokeness but no amount of cultural liberalism is going to fix what has been
01:33:45.760 done to us uh yes i have been watching the videos of our conquered beaches yeah i know they're a bit
01:33:50.380 insufferable but also they're not against identity politics they're just against identity politics
01:33:55.160 for you yeah no no no no they like like tom slater showed they love class politics when that's the
01:34:00.580 identity politics of class they love because they're not billionaires and they're never going
01:34:04.500 to be um but when but one thing they really don't understand is actually the working and the sensible
01:34:11.640 middle class in this country don't hate the rich they hate rich people who do not take a patrician
01:34:16.960 attitude of stewardship and obligation and responsibility over the things that they have
01:34:22.320 that's what they hate and that's that's why rupert lowe came across so damn well yes i'm an
01:34:27.540 aristocratic farmer i'm here to do the right thing and it's going to hurt and everyone was like thank
01:34:31.800 god finally um omar says not all x are like that but a community is defined by the extremes that
01:34:37.560 it tolerates if they tolerate rape gangs or calls for white genocide that's who they are 0.94
01:34:41.800 and honestly that seems to be pretty correct as well why do you why does the muslim community 0.92
01:34:47.560 tolerate these things like you'd think they'd be like literally lining up no deport this one
01:34:51.980 you know deport this one he has brought our name uh he's dragged it in the mud he's brought shame
01:34:57.060 on our community deport him you know do worse frankly but you know what i mean but uh anyway
01:35:01.760 um right connor where can people find more from you oh just youtube under my name and they can
01:35:06.180 probably find more of me on lotuses because apparently pete wants me to come back like
01:35:09.500 once a week or something so yeah i'm glad he ran it past you you know
01:35:13.300 at least he didn't slight yeah recoil in horror one of my favorite things is like when people
01:35:21.020 like oh carl will never let harry say that or whatever on the podcast i'm like look you don't
01:35:25.200 realize how little editorial control i exert over my podcast the real reason is like so most of the
01:35:30.560 time carl is just sat at his desk with his headphones on laughing at something working
01:35:34.420 I'm constantly working on stuff
01:35:36.220 I've got better things to do
01:35:37.460 than police their opinions
01:35:38.740 anyway I missed the dynamic
01:35:39.980 so yeah
01:35:40.480 I'm happy to come back
01:35:41.520 brilliant that'd be great
01:35:42.600 right okay
01:35:43.520 thanks for joining us folks
01:35:44.360 and we will see you tomorrow