The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1427
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Summary
Join the Lotus Eaters as they discuss why Restore Britain is gaining ground in the polls, and why Reform is having a major meltdown about it. Plus, we take a look at why the Tories are so worried about splitting the vote.
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Hi folks, welcome to this slightly delayed podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Wednesday the 27th of May
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2026. I'm joined by Connor and Harry. Apparently there was a Windows update that happened this
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morning and it broke a few things on the back end but hopefully we are here with you now and
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we're going to be talking about basically just the meltdown that is happening about Restore Britain
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at the moment which is just incredible frankly. Dan Hodges did call it, he was like look you're
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feeling squeezed by them, you're going to get on them and you're going to attack them and it's
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going to increase their salience, and when people are like, oh right, so I can have Restore Britain
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rather than Nigel Farage's wishy-washy reform, Restore Britain are going to start gaining. So
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we're going to explore it. Why is this happening? What has their response been? And what does it
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reveal to us? Which I think is also more surprising than people might believe. Anyway, right, so let's
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just get straight into it. Why are they currently having a meltdown over Restore Britain? Well,
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it's because of polls they think polls are um well i mean is it chiseled in stone yeah destiny
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yeah uh they they seem to think that the electorate is already carved up and now it's just about
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settling the scores but i don't think that's the case i think that people actually change their
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minds which is why reform are on parity with labor on this poll i mean that wouldn't have
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happened six years ago so things must change and i think they're genuinely worried that things will
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continue to change. Because of course, this came out from a very, very tiny sample of people in
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Makerfield. 369 people is not a big sample. But even then, getting the 7% restore on there was
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quite a shock for them. Because of course, you remember Nigel Farage said, well, they won't get
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1% anywhere, even in Great Yarmouth. And that was one of the worst political predictions anyone's
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ever made. It aged like milk. At least, I think this might be discounting the local level support
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for restore according to the canvassing returns, not only the restore. Well, we'll get into that.
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I will say at the very least, Restore have achieved parity in the local constituency as what they've been reliably getting on the national polling when prompted.
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And this was a phone survey of 509 people, and they left out those people who thought they were not likely to vote.
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Well, weirdly, that's actually a huge constituency for Restore.
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that's actually how they got such overwhelming victories in great yarmouth is bringing out those
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people who are not people who are particularly invested in politics because they don't really
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feel represented also how make a feel voted for brexit it is uh and then you got this from charlie
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simpson now charlie simpson is a young journalist and uh apparently has some interesting insider
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info from the reform party now take this with a grain of salt but they say that their own
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reform's own canvassing results show restoring 18%. We're on about 34% and Labour 42%.
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So of course, this leads into the splitting the vote narrative, as you can imagine.
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I have, I received communications also from Milbank Tower trying to canter signal this
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morning, insisting that only three people have control of the internal polling and canvassing
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returns. And they were very eager to say, no, don't worry. Internally, reform has restored
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a lot lower than seven. And I don't really believe that.
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Yeah, I don't really believe it either, because, I mean, Restore's own canvassing data has been 24% for Restore, 31% definitely against, and then 44% either considering or undecided, which sounds pretty realistic, to be honest.
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Well, I think this is quite high, and it may be a slight optimistic bias.
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However, in this instance, if people think about it,
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because definitely against would be split between reform and labour.
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But undecided and considering, that's probably a lot of labour and reform.
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Yes, but as in those of those who are already committed and aren't up for being won, it would
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mean that Restore has the earliest eager base locked in, because I think what they've done is
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they've made a... They're voting on the basis of a character judgment, and they find Nigel Farage's
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character wanting, despite promising the same policies, and they're certainly not going to
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vote for Andy Burnham. So they're the earliest adopters of Restore in the constituency, whereas
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the largest vote block overall are people that don't have firm loyalties yet.
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Yeah. So anyway, like I said, we don't know. These are actually polls that are almost a week old now. So who knows what the situation is on the ground? We're actually going to be sending a team up next week. So, you know, we'll do some, Harry and Luke will do some on the ground reporting and we'll find out what's what.
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well uh you know you gotta send send the appropriate uh types of people to do the
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appropriate work anyway so this kind of narrative has begun springing up in the past couple of days
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where you get people like lee harpin now lee harpin writes for jewish news and they're not
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very well disposed towards restore because of course uh they're not disposed towards british
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patriots they're not disposed towards banning kosher slaughter yeah well i was gonna say that
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And the failure to disavow radical online types who also support Restore.
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And the unwillingness to have a Restore Friends of Israel branch.
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So they don't feel particularly well disposed to Restore.
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And yet, quote, spoke to a Labour source earlier, like me,
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disgusted that Restore has been given a path into mainstream politics,
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Every other door, he said of his stint up there yesterday.
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I really want to post the Rupert floating in the sea with his son.
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yeah i love that picture so much it's so funny um but that's that's pretty bad right if the
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labor canvass is like every other door is restore britain i mean these are not people who've got in
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any way they're not inclined in any way to support us to want to big us up but if they've got to give
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reports like this uh that's not good uh again i spoke up to spoke to people in makefield knocking
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doors in areas where it's a toss-up between reform or it's further right offshoot restore
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labor perhaps rightly being seen treating the community with contempt by forcing a by-election
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so this is a by-election they didn't want this is obviously being done uh cynically for strategic
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internal party maneuvering and andy burnham's own slogan you know vote labor for us so yeah
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well that's the thing that i mentioned yesterday on the show which was that uh if you are in
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makerfield and you think about the candidates that you have available to you you've got a local
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amiable exterior but he's held pretty much every position under the sun doesn't have principles and
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is also in terms of his like substantive behavior attempted to bury the grooming gang scandal in the
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greater manchester backyard i have much to say on rochdale and other incidents about it for years
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but that's not what i'm saying i'm saying that he seems like an amiable and likable guy right
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right obviously politically i hate everything that he's done for his entire career but on a
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personal level and that i think has a much greater sway on whether people will vote for you or than
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people are willing to admit frankly um but anyway i was watching uh the times podcast did you know
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the times have a podcast i had the same misfortune of watching this actually no no one no one watches
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this podcast obviously i mean how many views has this got 14 000 views so you know very few people
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watch it but what's interesting is the report on the ground samson can i play this we try playing
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this same thing that's really interesting i think so we did a focus group last week i think it must
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have been on tuesday evening where uh we joined a lot of these voters but remotely they were talking
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uh from this constituency about what they felt and restore britain did keep coming up in a way
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that i found quite surprising and i said to uh the great luke trill from more in common i asked him
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whether or not that was unusual um and it was unclear to us how representative that might be
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actually off the seat on tuesday evening and then by the time i got there on thursday and voters up
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and down the high street that you just mentioned but also elsewhere outside sainsbury's and other
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places across the constituency uh bringing up restore britain completely unprompted i should
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say by us made me think actually there might be something there so i think if we can just
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so that's the kind of reception that they're getting people who of course loathe what we
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stand for are finding that no people are unprompted just bringing this up in conversation oh i want
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to talk about politics oh you want to talk about rupert lowe do you it's like no no that wasn't
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what i was thinking and yet they can't get away from it it seems to be everyone everywhere i mean
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the new statesman says labor sources say that on the doorstep they're hearing as many voters
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mention restore as reform so this is something organic that is bubbling up from the bottom to
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reaching the surface of politics they didn't want this to be the case they did not want restore to
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be anything in this constituency and they can't now pretend that it's not so keep up the pressure
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everyone is doing an absolutely great job but also it's just madness to think that everyone
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who is saying this is a purely online phenomena or never any cut through didn't think one everyone
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is one step removed from someone who spends their time terminally online these days.
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So every single person, unless they're an Ecuadorian account supporting reform, every
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single person behind those accounts has political opinions and has a vote. And so they can just
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take those opinions into the pub and become a brand ambassador for their particular version
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of politics. And this is why at Restore Branches, I've been to a fair few, obviously you're
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heading up one, there's a cross-section of people who just heard about it from various
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social media platforms, word of mouth. And so it's going to be contagious if it has a
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message that resonates and also this is taking on a kind of we're against the liberal establishment
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vibe uh it feels honestly a lot like what happened with brexit where you've got everyone attacking
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restore for even farage uh placing themselves on no we're for the traditional liberal elite
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consensus and restore are some horrible evil outside of the consensus option that you definitely
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aren't allowed to choose and so suddenly there's this kind of attitude of resistance that's
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underpinning it and now they're like oh yeah well i mean we are getting a lot of restore there what
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can we do about it not much because everything they've been trying to throw at us obviously
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hasn't stuck and we'll go through some of that in a minute and so they've every attack they're
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making is toothless because rupert lowe has already checkmated them by saying i don't care
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it's the same dynamics the 2016 trump election yes where it's not it's not only the the vibe of
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saying, you're splitting the vote, you're going to divide the right, you're going to let the
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opposition win, has the same aspect as Hillary Clinton saying, happy birthday, future Madam
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President, it's my turn, it's equally as entitled. But also, there was a contingent faction of the
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Republican Party, you know, Ben Shapiro was part of this at the time, saying, we can never have
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Trump, this is the option we're never allowed to have, so we have to forfeit this and let Hillary
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Clinton take it at the time. And you're seeing the same thing from the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg,
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who has turned around and said, well, the Conservative Party, the venerable party that I
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identify myself as a member of needs to stand down to let reform take this yes everyone's saying
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essentially is this nigel farage's time yes happy birthday mr future prime minister um not sure
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about that and so the the attacks are like i said completely toothless and deeply out of touch so on
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radio four this morning they characterized uh restore britain's support as angry young men
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now that's not true and I very much enjoy Rupert Lowe's response here uh wrong it's millions of
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young women too um but it's also not just young people uh one thing I found in my branch and with
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the other branches and other groups I've been to visit is it's actually a it's like an ice core of
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the entire country it's young people it's middle-aged people it's old people it's mums and
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dads it's business owners it's people who are you know like regular working people who just
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invested in the future of the country and think the country's heading in the wrong direction so
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this is a kind of like weak and lazy smear because it's one step away from them being incels
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this is the incel party it's like no this is the mum and dad party actually well that's that's why
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alex phillips's attacks haven't any cut through she's saying it's the political wing of the
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manosphere and it's like i'm sorry one i'd throw andro tate in prison because he's a pornographer
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but two most people are just like married with kids and when you're having and i'm sorry to take
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it to personal attacks when you're having Nigel Farage's mistress also interviewing Nigel Farage's
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current mistress while Nigel Farage's third mistress is making up stuff about Restore on
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Twitter and well none of them have intact marriages and one or two of them don't have
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children of their own it's just it doesn't land no and Farage conceded this at the art conference
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in 2024 when he was there didn't he he was like oh family community country I appreciate I'm not
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brilliant on those things yes it's like yeah okay you're not but uh the point is no it's not an
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incel party it's a mums and dads party and we've had enough and we don't care anymore which is why
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the posters are going up uh people uh my biggest takeaway says sasha lord in reply to uh aaron
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bastani here and again sasha is not like some massive restore supporter he's a sunday times
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best-selling author my biggest takeaway was the amount of restore posters placed in people's
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windows around the town center people have had enough people have just had enough of it and so
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dan hodges i mean here's just an example just you know go around makefield you'll see the posters
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out and if you're in makefield put your posters out let them know that you've had enough let them
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know you're against this consensus all of it and that we're going to win so dan hodges has made
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this prophecy and honestly i mean i wouldn't put much stock in a dan hodges prophecy normally but
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i think he's right on this the increasingly frenzied attack on restore represents the
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biggest example of the rise and effect in british political history years to come students will be
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reading about this yeah that's true because these attacks on the what they perceive as seven percent
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i mean it's that literal meme of you know people watching the guy being lectured and then starting
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to get the bit in their own head of it right where it's just like look when any any sort of exposure
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to restore looks bad for reform. Because reform are the second, like the day after diet version
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of everything Restore or Promising. They're the bug burger of nationalism, basically.
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So why would I bother? So why would I bother with them? And Nigel Farage has never turned around and
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said, I don't care about your attacks on me. He can't do it.
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The only time he's ever done that is he's actually defended Rob Kenyon's social media
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post. Danny Kruger then immediately came out and has failed it because Danny Kruger's a coward.
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But I do want to make a point here, and this is sympathetic to Rob Kenyon.
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He's a very strong candidate, I think everyone would agree.
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Yeah, really, and got in trouble for quote-retweeting you.
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I think that Rob Kenyon is a strong candidate with a party that is acting as if it is weak and wounded and lashing out,
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and is hurting his chances with, as we're going to discuss soon, the coordinated media pylon onto Restore Britain.
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And it's actually deflected attention from reforms, canvassing and campaigning messaging.
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It's deflected attention away from his positive merits over to restore Britain as the true
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And the only conversation now happening about their candidate is the social media posts
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that you'd kind of expect with lad humour from a plumber.
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So it's a purely negative campaign again, which is what did Matt Goodwin in.
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If I were him, if I were Paul Kenyon, I would speak to the party higher ups in the marketing
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and be like, can we start talking about me, please?
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yeah yeah can you stop going on about restore and start talking about me because i'm the candidate
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yeah yeah it's it's a very counterintuitive also can you just start coming out with some hardline
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patriotic nationalistic positions please zia yusuf hasn't given those approval yet
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like they they fail to understand why the the energy is slipping out of their campaign
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and so um you've got i mean like they've this was nigel farage's buddy for about five minutes
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about a year and a half ago and Nigel Farage stuffed it up so now Elon Musk is giving massive
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amounts of exposure no only restore Britain can say Britain retweeting Rupert Lowe not good is it
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yeah and then so Nigel Farage is now in a war with Elon Musk so you can't win that they probably
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got into a war for the same eagle at some point that fractured the whole thing I mean entirely
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possible but okay now you're beefing with Elon Musk because Elon Musk supports your political
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opponent and your political opponent has got like you know a kind of cheeky but determined grin on
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his face about how we're going to storm this and you're looking weak you're looking frail you're
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looking receding but what's interesting as well is that reformer picking fights with restores
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surrogates yes because you've got farage arguing with musk musk is actually just to restore britain
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support from overseas he's actually not punching at rupert low and anytime he mentions rupert low
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he tries to do it down. And the gap between his assessment of Rupert Lowe and Restore support
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and what's actually happening widens, so it discredits his position because the public can
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go, well, that's not true. That prediction didn't pan out. You're overstating this.
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And instead of arguing with Rupert as his equal, Rupert is outside this conversation,
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just plowing ahead with his own campaign, whereas Reform are constantly having to fend off sniping
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from both the media and the people to their right. Yes. And the enthusiasm gap is palpable.
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right restore definitely have more activists on the ground than any other group uh individually
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and the the the i mean the the perception here is that farage is getting out faraged by restore
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it's like well that's not true at all because farage is essentially a kind of coward when it
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comes to engaging in media fights he is instead of like you say supporting his own candidate and
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attacking the media and acting like the bulwark against uh no he's he's just like surrounded on
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all sides desperately trying to hold a position that nobody really believes he holds that's not
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Rupert Lowe getting he's not being out for us that's been Farage's entire career just just on
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the very edge so he's slightly outside of the the like news agents consensus but not a bad person
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so the media don't turn on him he's but that Rupert is not doing that at all Rupert is doing
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something completely different and of course the news agents can't understand that um and then so
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this as you said like they're in a very weak position they're running a negative campaign
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and they're failing they're losing again it's worth highlighting they're in a weak position
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by choice yes need to be in this weak position if they're just focused on running their own strong
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campaign yeah instead their their campaign has been flipped to be entirely about how you shouldn't
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vote for restore and restore shouldn't exist right oh yeah it's their own making exactly it's like
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via like social media or in the media or whatever.
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the goddamn hell out of him every time he posts something.
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Which is why Richard Tyson locked his comments.
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No, there's nowhere for them to go at this point
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because they can't go to the right of Rupert Lowe
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and therefore they can't actually summon the base
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And as you said previously, it's a matter of character.
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Well, that's the thing is they could actually try
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and I've seen some of their online commentators
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trying to argue that reform is to the right of restore the fact is it just comes across hollow
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it does it comes across in fact speaking of those here's jack anderton he's the sort of person who
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desperately tries to outflank restore from the right but then is constantly undermined by nagel
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farage richard tice and nadeem zahawi robert jenrich you know he just can't do it i'm getting
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i'm starting to feel kind of bad for him because he'll try he'll come out and make a point that he
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thinks is to the right and then it will be immediately count signaled by one of the mps
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in reform and so it's like sorry bro you've got no choice but then like leaking dms of uh
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all the mini home yeah that's right yeah yeah because she she was trying to uh get reform to
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do something for women's safety and they didn't so she went to restore and here's jack sort of
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like here's here's the uh dms of her trying to get us to do something for women again help reform
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build a safeguarding policy for women and children uh and it didn't happen which is why she went to
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restore that's not bad this is the second doesn't make her look bad second time jenrik's team's done
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this i've just remembered they tried to do it charlie downs because charlie once tried to work
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with jenrik when jenrik was running the leadership conservative party and jenrik's team were
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completely different people by the way because they didn't not everyone felt followed him over
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to reform. That's why his output is worse. And at the time it was like, oh, Jemrick's making the
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right noises. Maybe he has had a Damascene conversion and he disproved it with his
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inaugural speech as Treasury Spokesperson. But what's discrediting reform are these tactics.
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That's a politics, as Thomas points out here. Underhanded, sniping, leaking. And all it does
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is it makes your party loyalists think, oh, if I show sufficient disloyalty, are you going to leak
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my internal communications now? It means that suddenly everyone thinks no one is safe in reform.
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yes there's no trust that can be built in reform and that's been the problem with the kind of
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people that nigel farage has attracted his entire career because he is duplicitous and quite happy
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to snake you throw you under the bus backstab you and apparently report you to the cops and try and
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get you put in jail which is why restore even exists in the first place you did this to rupert
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lowe and here's his minions doing the same kind of slimy stuff and it's like look man that's just
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not going to wash and it's not helping you either because i mean like this sort of thing should have
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been solved in dms like why are jenrik and yusuf currently having a public spat over whether
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people foreigners here on benefits are going to be deported or not jenrik says no yusuf says yes
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have at it get in like again this is you turning yourselves inward and having a fight this is the
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monkey knife fight on the cruise ship exactly no this is jenrik on the inside of his car as
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Yusuf comes up and says you bloody bastard but the the point is it's profound weakness in their
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own party there's no no particular understanding and and this comes from Nigel Farage being the
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person who will kick you out if you count signal him or you you signal to the right of him before
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he is prepared to and not having a firm grasp on policy if Farage is I'm never going to deport
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immigrants oh I'm going to deport all the immigrants I'm not going to do this I'm going
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do that but like where where do you stand they don't know and so jenric was probably thinking
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yeah no i'm not going to say we're going to deport everyone who's here on benefits if they're
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foreigners because nigel might get angry about that but zeer's like no no that's of course we're
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going to do that because otherwise rupert lowe is well out to our right and we look weak and pathetic
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and that's turned into a public spat between them it's like this is a catastrophe for you guys
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they're also trying to weaponize respective elements of the base against one another so
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that they have more leverage to take over when Faraj leaves.
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This is the sibling squabbling beneath Leah for the crown.
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And part of the reason is Yusuf was brought in by a pretty powerful faction
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with money running through the tendrils of GB News
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And then Yusuf said some things internally that he didn't like.
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They sidelined him and they brought Jemrech in
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who could also facilitate a Tory merger instead.
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Who's certainly not going to canceling Israel.
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They don't have Rupert Lowe's social media game.
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where Restore are the ones coming up constantly on the doors
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yeah, well, we're getting a lot of Restore coming up on the doors.
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Not getting a lot of Reform coming up on the doors.
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And then your own party has fallen into factualism
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and this post on reddit i think summarizes it all really well farage is a political snake with zero
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values other than what benefits him the most he'll co-opt whatever issue he needs to build himself
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more power low as a zealot he genuinely believes in the things that he's saying and if he somehow
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gets the power to implement the vision he will do it regardless of any negative consequences for
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himself both would be a disaster for the country says obviously some libtard on reddit but it's
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okay i agree with that assessment completely which one do i want do i want the political
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snake who's surrounded by snakes who are leaking dms and currently sniping and factionalizing
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fighting with one another or do i want the guy who genuinely believes in what he's saying
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and will actually do it if he gets into power regardless of the negative consequences for
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himself which let me choose i mean jesus christ it's not a hard decision is it so this is why
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they're coming so hard at restore at the moment because we are actually following the positive
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vision for the country we're going to fix it we're going to solve all these problems we're
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going to get rid of all this legislation we're going to send millions home there are not going
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to be foreigners on benefits it's going to be fixed that's why they're coming for us
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all right we've got a couple of rumble rants we're going to do yeah yeah sigil stone says
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goddammit dan stop clicking the weird links the unsolicited emails you boomer yes probably
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we've tried to stop him you can hold him down but he feel he finds a way uh can someone ask
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someone in Restore when in Makefield, if they are planning on getting back to move up the West
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Yorkshire coordinator role, they're veting me for. As you can imagine, a by-election might
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cause a delay on answering emails. Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of resources and
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bandwidth is being put into this, but you can understand why they would. So unfortunately,
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you might have to be patient on that one. Sorry. But anyway, let's move on.
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Nevertheless. Well, I thought we'd examine the air war, the coordinated media hit pieces that
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are flooding the zone from reform against Restore
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and we can start to see which toes that Restore has trod on
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Before we do, I just want a message to any media outlets
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this just raises the salience of Restore as a party.
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You're just a Kylo Ren firing meme from Last Jedi.
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Only time we're going to reference that in Harry's presence.
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We're going to go to this interview with David Chipley here
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He did actually attempt to interview Restore's Candidate,
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And I think what's happening is that his chances
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are being sabotaged by the behaviour, the apoplectic crash-out that reforms, leadership,
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media surrogate supporters are having. And they're descending to just lying and spreading
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malicious rumours and looking like, but clowning themselves when they can be easily disproven.
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But anyway, Shipley gave him a pretty fair write-up. And he asked what he thought of
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Restore Britain's presence in the constituency. And they said, on the risk that Restore takes
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enough votes for Burnham to win, Kenyon warns that people need to know that if you're going
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to vote for Restore, then that's just going to help Labour and it's not worth taking the risk.
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For this election, I just ask Restore voters or potential Restore voters, vote for me because
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it's not just worth the risk. So Kenyon is at the very least saying, hey, err on the side of safety
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guys, I'm a known quantity, I got second in the general election in 2024, and I am basically one
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of you. A retweet saga. Yeah, exactly. So he is appealing to Restore on the grounds that there's
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basically no distinction between the parties that i could well be a restore mp it's just that
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restore aren't a viable political vehicle anymore and when when chipley tried to press on whether
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or not restore will cost him the seat he just said he hasn't delved too much into restore's policies
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and then returned to his statement that it's just a two-horse race between reform and labor he's
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been coached keep on this particular point and what what's worse for reform is as you were saying
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entirely negative campaign essentially they've been reduced to political begging at this point
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yes and it's weak well what it reminds and it's not his fault either what it reminds me of if you
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cast your minds back to when you were all in school right and uh maybe traumatic for some
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i didn't have such a bad time i had a great time yeah my head is already in the bin you're in the
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you're in the school play sorry about that um you're in the school play and maybe maybe it's
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a musical maybe it's some performance that you're giving but you step up and it's your time to shine
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and then from the crowd you hear your parents starting a loud public argument that never
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happened to me but that would be awful yes and all of the attention is off of you and all anybody can
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pay attention to is what the bloody hell is going on over there that's actually pretty good analogy
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that is exactly what's happening yeah um because what it's like on the ground that's causing said
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argument causing said crash out is very different than what's being presented here as we mentioned
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in the last segment. I actually happened to listen to this same Times podcast, by the way. I pulled
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out a slightly different clip where they were discussing the translation from the online
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support, hello, it's us, into the in-person canvassing ground game disparity between reform
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and restore. And I just think we'll let this Westminster creature talk us through.
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This is just an X account, a high-practice X account. What is actually clear is that if you
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were to call Restore Britain anything is probably the Facebook party. Rupert Lowe has more than a
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million followers on Facebook. He is, you know, pumping out anti-immigration messaging all the
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time. And you saw in our colleague, Damian Whitworth, he went up to the constituency as
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well. And what was striking is, you know, you're getting in focus groups, your ST poll over the
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weekend, your Sunday Times poll over the weekend by Servation, had them at 7%. It's not just Rupert
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saying we're doing really well in makerfield it is you know damien whitworth encountering random
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people in the street in community pubs your focus group with luke trill the poll right they clearly
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exist and in the words of one person on the labor campaign they said they're everywhere
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and whether they mean you know they're everywhere in the discourse their posters are everywhere
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etc etc they're clearly they're clearly real and the social media aspect of this is fascinating
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that Nigel Farage was no longer penalised, right?
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outside of London of a certain age are still on Facebook
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then it might suggest that actually he's big in the real world.
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Of course, it doesn't mean Restore are about to supplant reformers.
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That line, if you're big on Facebook, you're big in the real world.
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You know, he's not on Instagram or anything like that.
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who will post exactly what you think he will post on Facebook, right?
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This time last year, probably wouldn't have been able to tell you who he is.
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and they've been sharing everything that my dad needs to see
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to somebody like Nigel Farage and massively trusts him
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is that he comes across like a good, honest bloke.
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They're now caught in a kind of demographic car compactor
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They can't be bribed by promising to quadruple lock their pensions
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and take them on a Pontins trip for their events.
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You've already captured that demographic anyway.
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You've just, like, Shang-Sung stolen them from the Conservatives,
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But those that didn't want the Conservatives and weren't going to vote,
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particularly in the North, in seats like Makerfield,
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we've seen Nick Robinson characterize them as all angry young men this morning
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We have a lot of angry young men and women, but we also have a lot of middle-aged, middle-class people who are striving and who started with nothing, have worked their way up.
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There's plenty to be angry about in this country.
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Mums and dads who have actually worked really hard, got something for themselves, and are realising that we're going off a goddamn cliff and have to change.
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And so it's just like, I don't envy reform at this point
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because they have chosen the gay Tory spats.
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And they've simultaneously tried to chase the Muslim vote
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and those are the least likely group in the country
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and it was like less than 100 people of that demographic?
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because if you were chasing the Sikh vote in the Sikh,
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Anyway, so it turns out that Restore support is real.
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any time that you get these press pieces coming out
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and saying Restore are actually further to the right
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especially when Trevor Phillips puts a literal side-by-side
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And so occurs an increasing number of people think
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that Farage is failing the character assessment,
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which are a relatively new party in the last three years,
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I'm not even sure that it was loyalty to reform.
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against a traitorous Labour party or Conservative party.
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I think Farage's actual contribution to politics
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will be just allowing people to not vote red or blue.
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And we'll start with Nigel Farage's natural home.
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This is, and I'm not really going to go for the substance
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which is the argument that Tories made in 2024.
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So, okay, if reform split the vote with the Tories
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Restore could split the vote and surpass reform.
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But Carol Malone, by the way, wrote this piece.
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Throughout the entirety of the COVID lockdowns,
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And yet again, it seems like protecting your own job interests
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You're begging the opposition, please don't ruin us.
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Not even slightly interested in entertaining that.
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Code's in the same way with this Telegraph piece.
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Elon Musk has decided he will try to split the right
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I think he did that by reporting Rupert to the police, Nigel, but there you go.
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This is supporting a party with, there's one man with a social media account.
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Quite what he's trying to achieve, I have no idea.
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They beat you by double the vote share in Great Yarmouth.
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It's not just one man. They have 130,000 plus members.
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And as all of the professional political activists are realising,
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it's not just one man with a social media account.
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This is the talking point that they've decided on in some group chat somewhere,
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And it is conspicuous how derivative these talking points sound,
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because within, again, a couple of hours of each other,
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who used to write for The Telegraph before he got ill.
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But again, don't need to go for the substance of this
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They're saying we're within three points of victory.
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They need to stand down for the good of the country
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And I love it as if the poll is trapped in amber
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more and more people are clearly flipping to restore from reform
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It's also crazy that they don't have the electoral foresight
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to see that Keir Starmer campaigning on Andy Burnham's behalf
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because Giga-Chad Starmer is trying to tank his chances
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means that Burnham himself will be infected with electoral leprosy
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and probably shave off some of those marginal gains.
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Personally, I don't see the frenzy about the threat of Burnham
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Yeah, he's going to be basically like Keir Starmer.
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He's already said he won't change the immigration rules,
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I mean, the only, as well, to say, vote, restore, get Burnham,
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does that mean that, one, reform is responsible for getting Starmer in 2024,
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and two, are reform now saying either vote reform and keep Starmer in,
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And here we are, threatening to get Starmer out.
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You're trying to now block the guy who's trying to keep Starmer in.
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You've literally reversed your own goddamn messaging, morons.
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There was this one by, I think this is Stephen,
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So this was the one where they decided to try and hound,
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Steve Laws isn't a representative of the party.
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here's half a dozen pieces on the Daily Mail alone
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about why Rupert Lowe is bad and Restore is bad
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No, no, you just seem like you're really rattled.
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Like I didn't say the things that Steve Laws said.
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And I don't see you do that in the Greens either, conspicuously enough.
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And this should have been the line that Farah should have taken from day one.
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Well, are people quote mining Labour affiliates
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for anything that they said following the death of Charlie Kirk
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And are the Daily Mail trying to hold them as a party
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This is not a standard that's applied to any of the other parties.
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but the only thing that they can really pull up at the moment
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for Paul Kenyon is that he said something a bit untoward
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Yeah, everything else is, he says something basically true.
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Yeah, I disagree with him on Carol Vorderman, by the way,
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who just unfortunately beclam themselves on this,
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and it's, I would say, a former friend of the show,
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saying that people are useful idiots, woke right,
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that they want Burnham in, that they're a Tory Trojan.
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don't care, still voting for Rupert. Very persuasive. And I did, I did reply to him
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actually just saying, look, if you want to win people over, I don't think calling them
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idiots is a great idea. No, no, it worked in Brexit and it worked in Trump and it worked
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in every, it worked in Trump too. What are you talking about? The response was, well,
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this just betrays how fragile your restore boys are. I was like, okay, again, the insults
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are only going one way. And if this election is to be decided on the basis of character,
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because you're trying to say that there is no distinction between the parties on policy.
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so we only have to vote based on who we trust to deliver that policy,
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then if one side is relentlessly insulting the other with insults
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where there's a bit of a gap between what people's perceptions actually are
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and the other side isn't returning them in kind,
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then people are going to find the other side a bit more persuasive, I think.
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This is where we dance on the head of a pin, gentlemen.
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So Stephen Pollard has written multiple pieces about this Times polling now.
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he's handily written for us in The Spectator about who he is.
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and then he just regurgitated his talking points
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And they're in because of Stephen Pollard,
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because he was the research director of the Fabian Society.
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Right, so what he's trying to do is save Keir Starmer?
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Keir Starmer, unironically, that must be what he's doing.
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If you don't, you're going to get Andy Burnham.
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Well, Andy Burnham isn't, like, don't get me wrong,
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Andy Burnham's like, you know, a sort of traditional rubbish Labour politician.
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That's not a Britain-hating Davos man like Keir Starmer.
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And so Stephen Pollard here is trying to defend Keir Starmer,
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the Fabian Prime Minister that we currently have
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that they're immediately just going to stab Keir in the back,
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And then Burnham just gets immediately crowned King of England.
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It's not going to be some sort of Burnham Socialist Reich
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They're going to talk like they're going to build a giant
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Set him alight as they nationalise the railways.
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And it's because previous hit pieces on Rupert Lowe
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I mean, make the campaign about this party doesn't even support Israel.
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Definitely don't write articles telling everyone
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how Rupert Lowe's going to ban halal and kosher slaughter.
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That's not going to get the public on side, I promise you.
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Also, you don't get to keep talking about an issue
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and then control the way in which people talk about the issue,
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especially when the issue isn't being brought up
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It's weird that this small constituency on the outskirts
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to Greater Manchester, isn't constantly talking about Israel and Palestine on the doorstep
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because there isn't a strong demographic presence of either side in that constituency. So if
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you keep trying to force the issue, the party that is trying to force the issue will get
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fewer votes. And again, there's a bit of a pattern here. So Spiked Online, absolute
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disgusting enemy publication, horrible people.
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Okay, hang on, hang on, right. So for a long time in the sort of early, in the 2000s to
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2010s brendan o'neill was actually a very sober voice injecting a needed bit of um common sense
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into the discourse right uh in dale kind of held this sort of position as well whereas i look i'm
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kind of like the mainstream truth teller i'll be the one who goes on question time and says
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the unpopular thing but it like in the liberal elite but is something that actually is true and
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you need to hear right so for a long time brendan o'neill had this sort of um position and now
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brendan o'neill has found himself overtaken by events so for him supporting nigel farage was
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edgy and cool and the sort of thing that the you know the sort of um the populist radical left
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maybe could could find themselves doing in opposition to the status quo his problem is
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that nigel farage has become the status quo he's become accepted by the telegraph the times and
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even the left are like yeah yeah Nigel Farage fine like they they expect it and so Brendan O'Neill
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now is seeing that safe space that he could occupy withering away and being taken away from him and
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so this article I mean I'm sure you're gonna go through it's mad how angry he is well fundamentally
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what you're talking about there in terms of perspectives is it was cool and edgy from within
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the establishment yes from outside of the establishment I think we've all cottoned on
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to Farage's game and what he's been doing for a long while now but from within the establishment
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everything has to remain firmly within their Overton window their their their sort of like
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breadth of conversation which Farage was like one of the most right would points of it for a long
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time but what we're talking about is an attempt to remove politics from the establishment and
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to shift the Overton window I mean that's that's Rupert's express stated goal make politics work
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for the people of Britain and not for the political establishment.
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It's moving the locus of control away from special interest groups
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You can hear the howling from every special interest group that exists.
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And so that means that it's not that we aren't understanding
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But it does mean that the special pleading won't work anymore
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Well, are we going to get into the special pleading?
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Yeah, well, over the potential reputation destruction
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And also, we're not trying to insult the electorate,
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the people who are going to still currently be thinking
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that reform is the best vehicle for this type of politics.
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I do not blame them necessarily for thinking the way that they do.
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I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to call them idiots.
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This was the discussion that we had with Peter McCormick when he was on a few weeks ago,
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was that even when it comes to Green Party voters, the younger segment of voters,
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given their concerns, given how they see their own future or lack thereof,
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And I don't think that just insulting people is a winning ticket to win them over to your side.
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Brendan O'Neill does, though, because he's written this basically like the British political Seth
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Rogan. This is like a script from The Boys. I'm not going to read very much. I think Luca
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mentioned some of this yesterday. But one of the worst paragraphs in here is that he says,
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right now, the best thing that Burnham has going for him is not his own thin, stilted,
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distinctly sub-Obama, I'm a normal bloke, bollocks. It's restores nerds, nicking votes
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It's a cult of personality pretending to be a party.
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of tongue-lolling acolytes would make Kim Jong-un wince.
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restore is an almost entirely digital phenomenon
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not according to those who are registering the canvassing
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having eschewed the hard work of building real networks
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and real communities in favour of forging a virtual refuge
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for the socially inept who yell deport on a loop
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I tell you that is just not what it's like in restore
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you want minimal friction between people's perceptions
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And this is just not the impression people are getting
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when there are already local branches across the country
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It's the gayest political movement in Britain.
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Well, also, it's not the gayest political movement in Britain
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because reform currently have the highest level of gay support
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because they've just stolen all the Tory votes and spats.
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Like, the joke is from Restore's tempestuous annons
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is in the mentions of Restore's surrogates is,
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bro, the gay chemsex parties have probably fried your brain.
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It's like, sorry, but you can't really accuse, you know,
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But, of course, Brendan O'Neill, his real issue is in this article
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the crank right is the mirror image of the woke left it has replaced the left's ethno-narcissism
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with its own ethno-nationalism and the crank right even wallows in the same cesspit of jew
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wariness as the woke left i think we found the issue i think we found the core issue and it is
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that brendan o'neill is an ethno-nationalist for israel but britain has to be a nation of liberal
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values well that's that's the thing it's not that anybody in the restore camp has said publicly or
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even privately when i've spoken to them god i just hate you so much i just want them out of the
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country it's they're not even alleging it yeah it's that they're not willing to put that one
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special group as the center of all of their politics which is literally what brendan o'neill's
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allegation is here yeah you're not you're not putting israel first and therefore you are a
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problem yes our friend enemy issue is not israel it's our own country the demographic composition
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and the kind of country we're going to hand off to our children.
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And I'm sorry, angry weirdo, that your loyalties lie elsewhere.
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And the thing is as well, just a quick thing,
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nobody is sympathetic when some crazed Muslim in gold is green
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Or shoots a synagogue or burns down ambulances.
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Why are they here to be able to do these things?
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And unfortunately, some of the people that do put Israel first...
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Yeah, some of the people that do put Israel first, Danny Finkelstein.
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As soon as you want to deport said Muslims,
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he proposed making an alliance with them in the aftermath of terror attacks.
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I don't take you seriously, actually, because you're...
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because Tom Slater is one of the editors of Spiked.
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It's funny that they could say it's termally online.
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Spiked used to be called Spiked Online, and they took online out of the title.
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because I feel this is definitely a reference to you, Carl.
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I'm totally fine with this, because he doesn't...
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Well, so I got invited to the trigonometry Christmas party,
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that's one of the only places I'm not cancelled from.
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And my wife was actually having a chat to Tom Slater,
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They have a real weird stick in their core about us.
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um but sorry mate we're just we're just not going to put the weird country in the middle east over
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over our own interests but this is great so this is a bit of lazy class warfare so you have to make
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sure that my invitation to the next christmas party doesn't get lost in the post yeah quite
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mate rupert lowe is a privately educated multi-millionaire okay great great so he's not
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going to be like farage and just get bought out by people being like and literally farage has said
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this to rupert you guys have made your money i need to make mine it's like yeah no i i'm happy
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that Rupert Lowe isn't just going to be sold out.
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I mean, like the Guardian, the Reddit commentator made,
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like these boys are all high on Warhammer glue.
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Because the Zoomers can't afford a full army.
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It's their Wednesday night where they get to go
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like you don't know what you're talking about tom sorry anyway let's carry on yep and i'm just
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gonna i'm just gonna breathe so funny let me defend the war honor it's not about defending
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our honor it's just that we are all dads right it's it literally it's a bunch of fat bald men
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who are just like yeah the wife and kids are at home and i get to play army toys right that's
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that's literally what it is it's just it's not about angry young men it's about the parents of
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the country who've had enough anyway so breeze through these because um again the pattern is
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obvious. Melanie Phillips decided to take an interest in... Hang on a second, that's a great
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headline. Most of this article is an endorsement. Oh, okay. That's the thing that I'm going to be
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pointing out when I mention it in the next segment. Yeah, so I just thought I'd give a
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breezy mention, because there is a pattern here. And then, again, conspicuously, there was a Jewish
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news piece trying to use Steve Laws as leverage against the party, trying to drive a wedge between
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the base that they think are not voting for Rupert Lowe, or they're voting for Steve Laws
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by proxy or something? And also Rupert himself. And this piece was conspicuously timed with
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Lois Perry tweeting out old clips of Steve Laws and Andrew Gould having a debate, where
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Steve Laws, I mean, I mean, Steve Laws is a Zionist, because, well, because obviously
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he'd need an Israel in order to deport Andrew Gould back there. So he actually agrees with
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My mentions are going to be a mess after this podcast.
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That's a good point, Steve. How are you going to respond to these allegations?
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Anyway, I have to bring these things on myself.
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in a potential Tory government for thwarting reform.
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Well, yeah, but the Tories aren't going to win anything.
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they're polling 2% according to that servation.
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Rupert Lowe just confirmed to a mutual acquaintance of ours
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has an official administrative role in Restore Britain.
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that as a British Jew, he was foreign and needed to go home.
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And that lie originated actually from Lance Foreman.
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because he's apparently smothered in Hebrew tattoos.
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Yeah, so, you know, easy mistake to make, you know.
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we know everyone involved in this conversation.
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Steve is not a party employee. He then rang Rupert Lowe and decided to try and subject him
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to some sort of struggle session or extortion racket by saying that, oh, do you find Steve
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Laws' comments grossly offensive? And Rupert Lowe said, yeah, I don't agree with Steve Laws because
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I'm not Steve Laws. Why are you trying to make me answer things Steve Laws said? If you want to find
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out what Steve Laws said, go talk to Steve Laws. Yeah. Pretty vocal on Twitter. These bad faith
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tactics just reflecting really poorly on reform. And actually, I think it was in here that they
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got the quote from Rupert asking. And Rupert said of Laws, it was, where was it? It's down here
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somewhere. Daily Mail just buried. Steve Laws says it's up to Steve Laws. It has absolutely nothing
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to do with us. Yeah, exactly. We're not going to audit our membership and subject them to
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cancellation strategies. We're not going to allow Hope Not Hate to vet our own candidates for us
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reform it's just a simple practice of you don't have to engage in these ritualistic denunciation
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exercises just say i don't care well regarding the hope not hate thing there was that recent
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controversy regarding the local branch that tried to do that but that was immediately reversed as
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far as i can tell by the actual party yeah yeah because the local branch members you don't have
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the power to kick people out of the party as a local branch organizer yeah so and this was just
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an abundance of caution on their part um but and i'll skip to the to skip to the end because of
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time but the reason they're freaking out is another piece was published in in the eye today
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oh yeah and the headline says it a lot um farage is the nando's lemon and herb and and is that bad
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that's the mild flavor yeah if that's that's if you don't like any spice at all right yeah so this
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is uh a senior that's correct well yeah so a senior reform source actually spoke to the eye
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it says down here somewhere and they say that uh lowe's main purpose in life seems to be destroyed
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Nigel Farage and Reform, but they did concede Lowe's outfit posed a threat. There's going to
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be a lot of anger if they split the vote in Makerfield and they somehow let Burnham slip
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through the middle. I can't see the public cutting them much slack for that. They're admitting that
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Restore probably will cost them the election, whether or not Restore can win it, and they're
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angry because this is a problem of their own making. And Restore Britain just responded,
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Reform are clearly seeing the same level of support for Restore Britain in Makerfield as we
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are, it is evident to anyone with an ex-account that they're shitting themselves. Good. And it's
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because the gap between the insults you're trying to project onto Restore aren't convincing people,
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you're understating the level of support that everyone that's visited the constituency knows
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they have on the ground there. And this is why, there's a guy called Robert Ford, who's a
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professor of politics at the University of Manchester. This is why he said,
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Burnham is going to win anyway, and I want Starmer out, so I may as well register my discontent with
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why aren't, why are you even contesting the seat?
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a preference cascade in the direction of Restore Britain
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because they're worried about being the bug burger
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honest, especially with people like Wes Streeting
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An ironic Starmerite at this point crushed them all
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Well, in comparison to the alternatives within the liberal party, I mean, you've kind of got to go with the least worst option.
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Anyway, so it's been referenced a few times so far, this podcast, but I think it's better taking a more in-depth look at the fact that in Western politics in general,
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there seems to be an umbrella that most politics has to operate under, which has become clearer and clearer over the past few years.
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and we're starting to set up alternatives so that we can have our own politics on our own terms and
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be able to represent ourselves unashamedly and one of the big examples of this and really what
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the establishment finds acceptable and what it doesn't find acceptable was in this article that
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we highlighted a few times now but we'll go over in a little bit more detail here which was Melanie
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Phillips article for the Times called Restores Extremism is a Problem for Nigel Farage. Now
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it was mentioned um in the last segment that most of this article is actually basically an
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endorsement for restore if you are somebody who cares about the british people policies that will
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benefit them and not benefit foreign interests whether that be islamic foreign interests or
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otherwise um it's a bit of a it's a bit of a ringing endorsement for them well just what i
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love about this is they're caught in a kind of double bind here as well accurately characterizing
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restores message is an endorsement of restore because it's a message that's so far out of the
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norm out of the mainstream that people oh yeah that sounds pretty good but then inaccurately
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and mischaracterizing it as in he's going to deport whole communities well that's also an
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endorsement like oh it really is going to get the entire community of child rapists out of the
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country is he and he asked well i never said everyone it's like well they're saying you're
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saying it so you know just saying um the point being it's also an endorsement and it also but
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But it's interesting that they see these things as an attack and then how they try to lump you
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in with different political factions as a sort of guilt by association. But also is interesting in
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this article is the way in which Melanie Phillips herself mischaracterizes these other political
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factions and seems to have no understanding of what she's talking about because she seems to
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have just lumped in everybody who she sees is not explicitly on her side together. Because Melanie
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Phillips has been an anti-radical Islam activist for a long while. She's been associated with the
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Conservative Party. She was former a leftist. She used to write The Guardian. Many are, many are,
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but I believe now she's quite well associated with people like Douglas Murray. So for a long time,
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as somebody on social media pointed out to me, she'd been banging the tub, she'd been banging
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the drum for Britain and for England, until all of a sudden you start to get this offshoot politics
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with restore who are more explicitly for britain and not for anybody else just for britain at which
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point she's got a big problem so let's examine that so first of all here's just the ringing
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endorsement that we find in here sorry just quickly i love that she characterizes what you've
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just said as a form of extremism oh absolutely having a politics for us is an extreme first and
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foremost and i don't think that this is mischaracterizing her at all she is a rabid
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ultra-nationalist for her own people. She's been explicit about this. She's been very very clear
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about this and she absolutely has the right to be. I think it's perfectly rational and normal for
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people to have a great and endearing love for their own people. It's the fact that when other
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people start to do that same thing it suddenly becomes a problem. You see the double standard
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and you see the umbrella that all of politics is having to operate under. So she says,
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So a wife, she carries on, who knew her husband had been involved but said nothing,
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apparently even if she holds British citizenship,
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which suggests the way that she's writing this,
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But if you're a member of the Jewish community,
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This means fewer Jews get stabbed in the face
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He crashed out on me and called me privately a Nazi recently,
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Well, okay, I don't know what he calls you privately.
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that allow infinite numbers of refugees to come in,
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then my grandparents, who were fleeing the Holocaust
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and the Kindertransport, wouldn't have come in.
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And they refused to draw qualitative distinctions
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before we had these laws they came in during world war ii when something was happening and
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these laws were put into effect after world war ii to make sure that if something like this
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happened again there would be a legal protection but you didn't need the legal protection when you
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came here because we are actually a generous and charitable country that wants to do the right thing
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and if we feel it's the right thing to do something then we'll just do it we don't need a law to tell
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us the mistrust is that any white host majority population that possesses their own country will
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morphed ineluctably into adolf hitler and they're incorrect and you're making the more persuasive
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argument but unfortunately that no i agree i know that i know that's what they think that's the
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barrier we're running up against but it is amusing that in the way that this manifests in this article
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it turns into her holding up a list of the most space things ever and says is this you pretty
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shameful don't you think the only reason i don't want this on a t-shirt is because it's too long
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to print yeah yes boil it down to a few bullet points please melanie but uh the the thing that
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because they are not willing to get down on their knees
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people mirrors the way Trump's MAGA movement
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blame the jews for pressuring america into foreign wars against its own interests i thought
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it was marco rubio that said that yeah yeah literally marco said that that was that one
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that was a conspiracy theory marco rubio just bit clearly the u.s secretary of state who's the guy
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who would know clearly rubio is an insider gruyper trying to sabotage the uh the administration
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marco rubio's long game gruyper he's been reading too many conspiracy theories in between reports
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from the administration just for anyone who doesn't know what this boomer's talking about
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The Gropers are actually not MAGA, they're America first,
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and he is well outside of the current social media consensus.
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I mean, he had the interview with Tucker Carlson,
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because a week later Nick decided to go off on Tucker.
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No, Tucker did accuse him of being a purveyor of blood guilt
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on a gay Fed again, and it was unnecessary.
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Well, there's a lot of unnecessary backstabbing.
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There are a lot of feds, gay, not gay, you know, I'm joking.
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Do you even know what you are talking about here?
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She doesn't, and it doesn't matter to her that she does.
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But she decided to come out and defend her gaffe
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by saying that the Groypers has become a generic term
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for the subgroup of white nationalists, isolationists,
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and conspiracy theorists whose most prominent personality
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of what is unacceptable within the establishment,
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because she could be seen as an establishment figure.
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for somebody of a high position within the establishment
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the Goyim, which if you remember is the same term
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It's a derogatory term that describes any non-G.
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Yes, should be Christian or atheist while speaking to an audience in Jerusalem.
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Concerning being religious or coming back to being civilized,
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One of Rav O'Risharki, who sits with us today,
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that says that the goyim should be Bnei Noach.
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They shouldn't be like religious Christians.
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And the second is Yom Kazonis or Dennis Prager or maybe other conservative intellectuals who say to them, be good Christians.
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Be good Christians. But please, be good Christians of the kind of Christian that love us.
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So there's the boundaries set for national politics of the Goyen.
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it's essentially but that's that's interesting that in the foreign nation they can see they can
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happily discuss again the umbrella the boundaries of our national politics how should it be their
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concern sorry you don't get to decide what kind of religion we do or don't have but it has to
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always be centered in melanie phillips mind around them so i have a story um oh yes so i when i got
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taken on an Israel trip last year to see the holy sites before one side or the other decided to bomb
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it into rubble. The Israel trip, I didn't go on, by the way. Yeah, I know, you got invited. Some
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other people went on it and haven't disclosed, but you know, I won't drop the minute. Anyway,
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no, it was well worth it because you get some insight into the conflicts of the region and why
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it's really not our problem. So Melanie Phillips is one of the speakers, because what they did is
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they took us on this exhausting tour around all the different places, and I got to see the Church
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of the Holy Sepulchre, fantastic. And then they would give us sort of like lectures and seminars
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from people that were trying to put across a obviously pro-Israel narrative. And Melanie was
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the last one. And there was a sort of 20 minute argument in the Q&A between myself and a couple
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of other people saying, you're putting forward a case for why you had to basically flee Britain,
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spend most of your time living in Israel now because of all the antisemitism. That comes
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mainly from Islam. I don't like Islam very much. You've written books about Islam. If we were to
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eject Islam from Britain and engage in Islamic remigration, would you support that? And she said
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because she said wasn't that what all of your activism has been directed towards because she
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was worried about the rise of the far right she was and i pointed out and i just said look
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you are saying that britain can't have the same standard of national identity
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where the british people which is an ethnic group the english scottish walsh and irish
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have the primary claim to their own country they are represented first in their culture
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and they have the the predominant say in their own politics you are saying that we can't have
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that, but they should support Israel having that because that is successful in Israel, and that
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because Jews are a global minority, they deserve that kind of country, when we are also a global
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minority, and we're about to become a minority in our own country, and Israelis would not put up
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with Jews becoming a minority in Israel, so why do we have to do the same? And she said to me,
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in so many words, almost a direct quote, if you think that that kind of ethno-nationalism is
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going to get far in Britain, I have another thing to tell you. There's a Jewish guy at the back of
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the room that just shouted, I'm an ethno-nationalist for Israel, I don't see why they can't be
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basically for britain now i don't even use that term but if you're going to insist that double
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standard has to persist then you're going to lose people and people are just going to see you as an
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yes yes carrying on along that same line she has made a public speech again this rage against hate
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speech where she said explicitly that there needs to be some kind of um double standard where you
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are not uh in britain you're not just british jews with judaism added on you're part of the
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jewish people in the jewish nation and that should come first first and foremost you are jews
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everything else is secondary which is where all of this politics is coming from that she is putting
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herself and her group first fascinating comment at the bottom there this is almost exactly what
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jonathan pollard said after fleeing to israel who's been writing all of the hit pieces against
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There have been some very strange other comments
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is engage in psychological warfare and psyops to get people to...
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Can we listen to this clip, just to make sure that we're not misquoting?
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One of the things I say briefly in the book is that what we've all been up against over decades
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is nothing short of psychological warfare.
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Now, the Jewish community leadership, both in the diaspora and in Israel,
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It doesn't think that in order to fight psychological warfare, you have to use
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psychological warfare. There are plenty of people in this country who, well not plenty,
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but there are some, who are experts in what's called psyops. They should be used. They could
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be drawn upon. These are reservoirs of talent and skill that could be used and harnessed
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the nature and extent and dimensions of the challenge
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and who are prepared to buck all the conventional wisdom
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plain as day i genuinely thought when that began yeah see they are mischaractered yeah i thought
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that was editorializing okay fair enough note as well that this was held at the bagan center named
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after manikin bagan one of the terrorists who conducted the king david bombings oh really the
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1940s following the second world war um so literally a building named after somebody who
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helped to kill british servicemen uh thanks very much for that and uh happily when we talk about
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psyops um well we've got a list from the book uh fighting the hate a handbook for jews and the
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siege uh where she gives the exact details of how you should do that including use weapons of
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psychological warfare reputational damage against your tormentors shift the argument onto the ground
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of your own choosing reframe the narrative uh reclaim the language to restore the proper meaning
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of words that have been hijacked uh which all sounds an awful lot exactly like the kind of
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tactics that were being done in this article you would expect that but this this is this is fairly
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normal um argumentative framing right obviously if you're in an argument about something you've
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got to reframe the narrative you've got to be positive about your own position be positive
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about israel but these are not actually terribly sophisticated or unusual things to do you are
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just doing them for israel and jewish people and that's what i would expect it is i'm gonna do it
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It's in a way legitimate from the position of having a preference and love for your own people, history, heritage, culture,
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and wanting to secure a future for your children.
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But then you can't say that I also can't have that desire.
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And I also have to have that desire for your nation at the expense of my own.
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Develop curricula to counter anti-Israel propaganda in schools.
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Why would I have propaganda either for or against about a foreign country in British schools?
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But if you do have one foot out the door at all times,
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And I don't really care if you're going to call
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the vehicle by which we're hoping to regain possession
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because unlike you, I don't have a backup nation to go to
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believe in the greatness of the eternal Jewish people.
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But again, I would not have any problem with English people
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having that kind of self-esteem about themselves.
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And I have no problem with Jews having it in Israel.
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It's the fact that she wants to cordon off that kind of dignity
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and self-esteem from us, because what this tells us
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is that somebody like Melanie Phillips is happy to sort of piggyback
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off of a faction within conservative politics for a decade or two
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that presents a form of patriotism but only allows it so long as it's a carve out for what
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she actually wants. Whereas what we're actually aiming for is a patriotism, is a politics that
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doesn't have to be a carve out of somebody else's larger visions or goals. It can be
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unapologetically, unashamedly be for us. Yeah, I find this interesting. Ditch the obsession with
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Holocaust memorialization. That's actually quite canny, I think. No, I think that's another thing
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to say yeah yeah that's actually very kenny because one of one of the things about the
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holocaust is as it stretches further into the past it becomes far less relevant to the non-boomer
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generations who live directly in the shadow of world war ii and so it becomes like some sort of
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weird alien imposition like they want to put the holocaust memorial in london park in their london
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parks like that's bizarre this is where nick wenters was mocking it in his interview with
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piers morgan is to deliberately provoke the taboo right to try and shatter the taboo but there was
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more that i could go over but we're running up to time now and it's coming up to quarter to three
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so i think i can cover the rest of it on a daily channel yeah i think so uh but the point i think
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is well made like the mask genuinely is off it's for me and not for thee and if you want national
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self-interest i'm going to call you far right whereas she is as far right for her own people
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as you could ever i mean you're not nearly as advanced as this harry none of us are like none
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of us have thought this through to this level i'm actually pretty much a wet liberal in comparison
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to this absolutely so uh so yeah i think we should move on to uh video comments yeah and then wrap
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us up yeah let's go to the video comments michael says um even online there seems to be a scramble
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to say we can't split the vote restore is going to split the vote and that guarantees burnham as
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an xpm i don't think so restore is a real chance to write the ship of state farage just wants bpm
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them say whatever gets them there i mean from the responses that they are giving us not just the
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ones we're getting from all because loads of our guys are on the ground in makerfield right we're
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constantly getting updates from subscribers and friends who are just like yeah jesus christ this
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and you know when they're like every other door is restored if the labor canvases are saying that
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like why do we think we're not going to win this also i don't like the farage deserves it yeah no
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screw no you don't you aren't owed anything you deserve something you know anyway let's go to the
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Scotland's history is everywhere in our castles, our cathedrals, our standing stones and the
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landscapes we explore what are you doing that guy is like the uh the liberal that gets trampled
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to death on the gamplank in the camp of the saints yeah yeah it is i hate it i mean honestly
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imagine that you're you're having a beautiful walk up to a mountain you think the the the level
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of peace that i'm about to experience when i get to the top is going to be unlike anything i've ever
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experience and then you get closer and closer in the distance you start to hear it jamaican block
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party i i have and you just like you the the edge of that cliff is going to start to look more and
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more attractive i i have climbed ben nevis right and when you get to the top you are knackered and
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that is the last thing you want when you get to the top let's go to the next one you have no idea
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how bad this snuggle idiot is okay i wake up guess what this idiot wants to do he wants to
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Then I come home, and guess what he wants to do?
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And then when I'm resting, guess what he wants to do?
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The only time he doesn't want to cuddle with me
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is when I'm learning French, because he knows
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they really like me but i don't i love i'm currently in the turf war with one one of my
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next neighbors cat that thinks my garden is its litter box i feel like tony soprano with a water
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gun just sitting on a dressing gown i love cats but god nerf being by making me incredibly allergic
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to them let's go for the next one i know we all think that the odyssey's gonna bomb but i'm not
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so sure about that i kind of ran it ran the trailers by my parents a while back and i found
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interesting that none of them were seeing the problems my mother saw agamemnon is like i like
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him he looks like a horse that kind of got me thinking about how we talk about how politics
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are going to be affected by the loss of the boomers but i'm thinking how will culture and
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entertainment be affected when they're gone i mean what horror horrific terrors will be revealed to
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us when the millennials and zoomers get their hands on the organs of culture i mean you're not wrong
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I think when all the boomers have gone like Hollywood's basically
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improvement because we were raised on the prequels
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the accomplishments of George, dead drug addict, Floyd.
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Remember, nothing that you like, they hold sacred at all.
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Well, it seems that Britain's not the only country
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You likely heard about the Giggle versus Tickle case.
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has successfully sued the female-only app Giggle for Girls.
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The federal court found Sal Grover, the app founder,
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and now the case is heading to the High Court.
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Do you want to know what this fine lady Tickle looks like?
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actually amended the Sex Discrimination Act in 2013
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Yeah, I actually interviewed Sal on my old show.
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uh hm butknife permit registry says when canvassing in makefield it was very telling
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our restore voters were all extremely enthusiastic people same with the undecided every other one was
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jaded and dispassionate it was very sad to see but everyone we met was very amiable to us
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regardless of how they voted and makefield seems to be full of lovely people well this honestly
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is why i think that there could be a cascade a preference cascade in our favor because like
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reform come across as desperate and needy like this is like i i've had girlfriends where the
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relationship has been going south and she just won't leave you alone and you're just like okay
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look i i just need some time and she's like no no no no no you've got to give me and you and
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eventually it's all right we've got to break up because i just can't i i need time on my own right
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and that's what reform are coming across like to me the needy girlfriend who realizes the
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relationship is failing but doesn't know that she needs to have a bit of dignity and poise to save
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it and reform like and all of them and then you know she starts calling your names and like right
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here we're done you know and you walk off and that's it and that's how reformer coming across
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whereas restore seem like the cute sort of girl that you met at the coffee shop which is like hey
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do you want to catch a movie this weekend you're like yeah i would love to actually you know who's
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not like constantly on your ass about things and it's just like yeah no that that sounds great
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yeah so like i i and i think there's a lot to be said in the spirit and the the morale of each
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side like reform seem very demoralized labor look kind of demoralized as well but as you say our
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guys just like you know what we're just gonna go and just smash it we don't care we've done it
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before and we'll do it again uh daniel says uh given the candidates in posts i wonder if he was
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one of those thinking or tried to come up uh tried to come across restore after he got in
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i don't know to be honest oh there was one of these rumble rants that we've not read that i
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wanted to address which was fallen firebird saying that sorry i didn't say saying that jews have a
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schizophrenic attitude in european nations because they're mentally besieged by the past from their
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experiences in europe and from the future by the prospect of islamic domination that can be something
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that can be something that you notice in in some of them it's not it's not all of them but this is
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interesting because they are actually i would argue uh victims of their own elite class in this
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way because and it's kind of like a boomer holdover as well their older generations you listen to
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somebody like paul gottfried who is of german jewish background uh speak about it and he has
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spoken about it publicly saying that in his experience and all of the people that he knew
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growing growing up like everything that they were taught by the older generations was persecution
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persecution oppression oppression pogrom pogrom all they are taught about their own history is how
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we have been brutalized and murdered unfairly for millennia and if we're not careful and if we don't
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stick together then that's just going to happen the day after tomorrow because the people who
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aren't us will all rise up and decide for no reason they hate us all of a sudden and that
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that kind of siege mentality really does become ingrained in them and they pass it on generation
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to generation so if anything they're kind of victims of their own elite class pushing that
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on them because it keeps them stuck together it keeps them financially it's not just elite class
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either it's it's parents the parents yeah like they they indoctrinate them with the memory of
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the holocaust it's like okay i understand why you're doing it but that has a kind of effect of
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like psychologically traumatizing effect for future generations it would be the same you're
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trapped in it forever it'd be the same as like an anti-white liberal parent trying to pass on
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their own sense of white guilt hatred to their own children and i do think it is quite unfortunate
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because as a group they have achieved a lot i mean culturally i mean i'm into heavy metal and
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they've actually made quite a lot of a surprising amount of contribution to those kinds of thing
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to those kinds of things to literature to comedy uh so it's just unfortunate that that siege
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mentality is really hammered into them from a very young age and it is quite traumatizing i expect
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and mom makes a great point here about reform he says they shift with the wind because they
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don't have a platform they have a window as in you know literally a closing window this
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necessitates a reactionary strategy since they don't know which direction they'll need to move
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next it also puts members in a fragile position with no rhetorical backing all bailey and no
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mott yeah and that is a great summary absolutely great summary that's exactly right and this is
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why nigel friday's out there now oh if burnham wins he has to call a general election no he
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doesn't and he's not going to why would he want to uh and because he can feel the window of
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opportunity closing and sorry bro sorry uh korak says my wife an egyptian born woman who is now
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british sister and loves restore and agrees with pretty much everything we've heard the store have
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said she joined restore is advocating for them whenever she can without any prompting from me
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she worked hard for her citizenship and honestly believes everyone should do likewise
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that's again but there's a contingent of women who really like white guys who will like adopt
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all of this i saw this um i saw this women are meant to join the other tribe yeah i saw this
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like uh they really are no i know this tick tock or short video from a girl that like she was
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indian heritage she said oh there's two types of s nas there's people that are really low iq
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don't like brown people and then there's the the really well-read ones really high iqs have come
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this through philosophy and they're the hot ones so of course i of course i did the right thing and
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i tagged lander below it yeah you're gonna you're gonna snatch one eventually bro yeah thanks for
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letting me borrow your bugatti why any any time i see any discussion on twitter of like women like
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being attracted to right wingers i just immediately see everybody tagging him yeah we gotta find lander
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a wife it's not fair um henry says all i can think of with the demand of zionism just hits
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question i keep asking about ukraine okay but why do i have to die overseas in a meat grinder a
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foreign war for a country uh for the good of a country other than my own and this like again
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if it's not in any way unreasonable for us to want a politics that prioritizes us it's not
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unreasonable and so you can call us whatever you want you can say oh aren't you bad for not being
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richard tyson ukraine at the thing you know like you you can you can call us any name or under the
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son but at the end of the day it doesn't make it less or any less reasonable for us to say well
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aren't we the people who politics are supposed to be for yes that's just all it boils down to
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and so you know you call that extremism if you want melanie phillips but actually i think it's
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very very reasonable there are no names that you can call me that will have me in risk getting
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the disapproval of my children for doing nothing to yeah absolutely jimbo says the spike crew made
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good hay talking about wokeness but no amount of cultural liberalism is going to fix what has been
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done to us uh yes i have been watching the videos of our conquered beaches yeah i know they're a bit
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insufferable but also they're not against identity politics they're just against identity politics
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for you yeah no no no no they like like tom slater showed they love class politics when that's the
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identity politics of class they love because they're not billionaires and they're never going
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to be um but when but one thing they really don't understand is actually the working and the sensible
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middle class in this country don't hate the rich they hate rich people who do not take a patrician
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attitude of stewardship and obligation and responsibility over the things that they have
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that's what they hate and that's that's why rupert lowe came across so damn well yes i'm an
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aristocratic farmer i'm here to do the right thing and it's going to hurt and everyone was like thank
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god finally um omar says not all x are like that but a community is defined by the extremes that
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it tolerates if they tolerate rape gangs or calls for white genocide that's who they are
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and honestly that seems to be pretty correct as well why do you why does the muslim community
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tolerate these things like you'd think they'd be like literally lining up no deport this one
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you know deport this one he has brought our name uh he's dragged it in the mud he's brought shame
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on our community deport him you know do worse frankly but you know what i mean but uh anyway
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um right connor where can people find more from you oh just youtube under my name and they can
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probably find more of me on lotuses because apparently pete wants me to come back like
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once a week or something so yeah i'm glad he ran it past you you know
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at least he didn't slight yeah recoil in horror one of my favorite things is like when people
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like oh carl will never let harry say that or whatever on the podcast i'm like look you don't
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realize how little editorial control i exert over my podcast the real reason is like so most of the
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time carl is just sat at his desk with his headphones on laughing at something working