The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1438

00:00:01.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Caesars for Thursday the 11th of June, 2026.

00:00:07.040 I'm joined by Furas and Beau, and we are here to discuss how the situation seems unsalvageable

00:00:12.100 because a series of events appear to have been set in motion that can't be easily undone.

00:00:17.220 Now, I don't think I'm overstating it when I say that, but basically all of the mantras and incantations of the Liberal Order

00:00:26.420 are falling on deaf ears and i think that we've been warning about this for a long time and i

00:00:31.540 just want to make it clear we are not advocating for anything here we're not prescribing any series

00:00:36.920 of actions we are just describing what we think is happening uh we of course as dan made clear

00:00:43.820 yesterday still stupidly believe we can vote our way out of this we still believe in democracy

00:00:50.160 we are going to vote harder i mean this is literally what our support of restore britain 0.92

00:00:56.000 is we have chosen our political party we have chosen the mechanism to try and achieve power

00:01:00.820 with it which is through the ballot box so we do not advocate anything like unrest revolution

00:01:08.020 riots ethnic pogroms or any of the things we're going to be covering here but these things are

00:01:14.440 happening whether we care about them or not um so i suppose before we say small point to make

00:01:20.640 if you say that something is probably going to happen or get worse that doesn't mean that this

00:01:24.720 is what you want no being analytical about something and expecting something isn't the

00:01:29.820 same as saying well that's also what i want yeah trust me i really want a peaceful solution to

00:01:34.320 millions of people going home um and just a one quick thing as well the building had a power cut

00:01:40.400 this morning so uh breakfast with beau my morning was ruined by the way because normally i get up

00:01:45.720 put your show on and i catch up on what's happening in the day's headlines with your

00:01:49.920 show as i'm brushing my teeth and having a shower i didn't get to do that this morning so yeah i

00:01:53.640 came in this morning and the whole building's dead yeah dead um i hoped it would come back but it

00:01:59.860 didn't yeah we didn't get power until god 9am so unfortunately it happens so let's begin because

00:02:07.020 uh for the past two nights there has been rioting in northern ireland in belfast and various other

00:02:12.620 places in northern ireland because a sudanese man uh gouged out the eyes of a disabled man

00:02:20.000 in the street and everyone saw the video and it was horrific and the powers that be reacted

00:02:28.660 precisely as you would expect them to react to make minimal comment on the atrocity yet another

00:02:36.420 atrocity that happened on a british street and decide in fact the problem was the quote-unquote

00:02:43.080 far right and their ability to communicate the fact that you're aware of the atrocity is the

00:02:48.440 problem and so that's the thing they want to have a conversation about um it's been pretty

00:02:54.960 frustrating i think we can agree that everyone uh has got to this point but i think it's actually

00:03:01.180 um something of a lifting of the veil there's something a bit more honest about this because

00:03:08.180 i think what the powers that be are telling us here is you cannot appeal to us for help yes i

00:03:15.120 think that's the most important thing to take away from no matter what happens we won't change

00:03:19.020 our minds correct we are committed to this uh this direction of travel and no matter what happens to

00:03:26.760 you we will not act as if the people we've brought here are the reason for that and we will come down

00:03:34.140 on the other side and suggest that you have to merely tolerate it no matter what outrage no

00:03:41.140 matter what horror is inflicted upon you you are expected to tolerate it and that is the am i wrong

00:03:47.280 on that no no the the whole mantra that they seem to all be in lockstep with it of calm down

00:03:52.540 yeah that's the line that's the uni party line calm down the essence of that is do nothing say

00:03:58.460 nothing just take it in silence go off into the dustbin of history in complete silence

00:04:04.380 just tolerate the state of affairs because this is how it's going to be going forward and the the

00:04:09.700 the reaction to an atrocity is is the main story that's the problem not the atrocity itself don't

00:04:15.960 look at the causes of that atrocity just the perpetrator just blame it on nigel tommy elon

00:04:22.240 rupert that's the problem we'll get to all of that because the the the general um essence of

00:04:28.580 this is that really the crime itself was not a problem as long as the system remains stable

00:04:34.500 and the status quo persists into the future the crimes themselves are not the issue and there are

00:04:41.220 things they could do to minimize the chances of these kinds of crimes happening but they never do

00:04:46.260 them and so instead you are just expected to bear it and so the only thing they can think to do is

00:04:53.800 censorship because this is actually easy and convenient from their perspective as we can see

00:04:58.620 here the first minister of northern ireland michelle o'neill says i wish people didn't see

00:05:04.100 that video i won't play the clip but she does say that in the clip um and that's really indicative

00:05:09.260 of the perspective isn't it not i wish that didn't happen to that man who there's a picture going

00:05:16.440 around that we obviously can't show of his face just it's unbelievable i mean it's just massive

00:05:22.960 gouges with stitches and is missing it's not clear if it's him is it not clear it's not even if it's

00:05:29.120 not him that's what he's going to look like that is probably because of an accurate representation

00:05:33.280 Yeah, yeah, it's an artist's representation of nothing.

00:05:35.120 Yeah, it's not the crime itself, or more importantly, the causes of that crime.

00:05:39.580 It's that you've noticed.

00:05:41.420 Yeah, they don't want you noticing.

00:05:43.080 That's the problem. I wish you hadn't seen that video.

00:05:45.820 Yeah.

00:05:46.240 Right.

00:05:46.640 And despite the fact that it happened in the street, it could be you, it could be someone you know,

00:05:50.520 it could be your children, it could be your dad, like it was with Wayne Broadhurst,

00:05:53.700 like it was with Henry Novak, like it was with all of the other casualties of mass immigration.

00:05:59.680 this is just the latest one and they just wish you weren't aware of it as if this would be the

00:06:06.100 limit of your horizon just what's on your twitter feed it's like okay but things are happening in

00:06:12.080 the streets people are talking like we we we would know about these things without social media

00:06:17.780 it's just this is accelerating this the the rate of things the the problem is still the same i mean

00:06:23.700 the conversation that they were having in parliament uh yesterday it was yesterday wasn't

00:06:28.580 yeah um was Ed Davey calling on Starmer to censor Twitter censor X oh well that was all sorted then

00:06:36.820 even if he did even if Keir Starmer said yeah oh you've got it 100% done oh well oh well then 0.82

00:06:42.320 everything's fine then problem solved you know what it reminds me of in in 2011 when the Arab

00:06:48.180 Spring kicked off that was the first reaction of the Egyptians and of the Syrians and of so on and

00:06:54.380 And then, obviously, the activists found a million and one ways around them,

00:06:59.400 now helped by the U.S. State Department at the time, yes,

00:07:02.460 but they found a million and ways around them. 0.99

00:07:05.680 And the thinking here is exactly the thinking of these decrepit Arab regimes 0.98

00:07:11.740 that could see the end coming for them and didn't know how to react. 1.00

00:07:17.640 It's the only thing that the modern state can do.

00:07:20.200 Yes.

00:07:20.480 I mean, liberal Democrats, Ed David.

00:07:24.380 If you were a genuine liberal, you'd be like, no, how could you even consider censoring anything?

00:07:30.880 I'm for free speech.

00:07:32.020 But no, the first thing he calls for is a crackdown.

00:07:34.740 And of course, Starmer says we will crack down on anyone who is fueling this division.

00:07:38.820 The irony, it's a very illiberal position for Mr. Davy to take.

00:07:43.380 It's remarkable.

00:07:44.800 But you have to be illiberal in the defense of liberalism.

00:07:48.720 He is consistent.

00:07:50.700 You have to be illiberal in the defense of liberalism.

00:07:53.180 As he's proving to us. 0.93

00:07:54.380 But notice that Starmer isn't saying, that's right, we're going to crack down on immigrants committing atrocities. 0.97

00:08:00.600 We have lots of immigrants committing atrocities. 0.98

00:08:03.460 We're going to crack down on that.

00:08:04.880 No, he's going to crack down on anyone who is fueling this division. 1.00

00:08:09.300 So the immigrants committing atrocities is a part of the system. 1.00

00:08:13.720 It's just what they do. 1.00

00:08:15.140 This is baked into where we live now.

00:08:18.600 Our parcel of living in a big city.

00:08:19.880 As Sadiq Khan put it.

00:08:21.460 and it is nigel farage elon musk tommy robinson presumably us presumably everyone who talks about

00:08:28.460 this that starmer is going to come for so um please go and sign up to lotus.com for five

00:08:33.140 pound a month uh we might need your help in the future we don't know how this is going to go

00:08:37.440 right we don't know that the government won't come for us it's really not beyond the realms

00:08:42.380 of possibility and i've got to say i'm pretty nervous about it but i also feel a moral obligation

00:08:48.500 to talk about these things in the terms that I'm using

00:08:50.800 because I think that I'm being accurate.

00:08:52.960 I think that I'm telling the truth.

00:08:55.220 So, anyway, there's nothing but censorship in their minds.

00:08:57.860 Here's Caroline Lucas of the Green Party.

00:08:59.260 So it's just a complete...

00:09:00.840 From the Labour Party to the Liberal Democrats to the Greens,

00:09:04.920 they all share the same opinion.

00:09:06.300 Well, it's being orchestrated by the far right, by Elon Musk,

00:09:10.660 by a network of people who actually want this to happen.

00:09:14.040 So none of this is spontaneous.

00:09:15.640 It's not the local Northern Irish lads who are like,

00:09:18.500 you know what would Ian Paisley say like it's it's not them it's Elon Musk who is doing this now

00:09:25.240 this is exactly the same narrative that they have always used yes they do not believe in their heart

00:09:32.120 of hearts that there is a genuine division between people and I want to take you back

00:09:36.340 to I think it was 1963 it was I was sometime in the 60s where Jonathan Miller and Enoch Powell

00:09:43.580 had exactly this conversation they've been in exactly the same position we're going to watch

00:09:48.940 this because it's word for word almost exactly the same nobody seriously imagines that if two

00:09:55.620 fifths of birmingham consists of a first generation of descendants born here of people from the west

00:10:02.760 indies from africa and from asia there will not be a profound difference between that part of a

00:10:09.560 population and the rest i think there may be a difference in fact there certainly will be a

00:10:13.060 difference whether that difference is enough to promote anxiety unless someone

00:10:17.080 declares. You think nobody would notice? No I think they'll notice certainly. The

00:10:21.400 question about this is whether they will notice with fear and horror unless

00:10:24.580 someone announces to them that fear and horror are an appropriate response to

00:10:28.780 such a fact. I see. You think that human nature is such that unless somebody

00:10:34.940 referred to this nobody would notice that their own native cities were 0.98

00:10:41.240 transformed, that the white population was moving out and the different

00:10:45.680 population was moving in. No, I didn't say that. Well you think then that it would be

00:10:50.420 noticed but that it would not be merely be tolerated but would be taken as a

00:10:55.340 desirable or acceptable development. No, I didn't say that either. Well that is what you have to say.

00:11:00.020 That is what you have to say. If this is not to be a problem, no.

00:11:05.360 You're simply putting words which you would find convenient in my mouth. What

00:11:08.960 What I said was that I didn't say that there would be no difficulties.

00:11:13.560 Difficulties are in the nature of human coexistence.

00:11:16.940 What I said was that the differences that there would be are not necessarily the differences

00:11:23.260 which would excite fear and horror unless someone stands up and says that fear and horror

00:11:29.000 are an appropriate response.

00:11:31.180 Someone invested with the authority of public office.

00:11:34.000 do that the charisma of your office and the charisma of your role as a politician will often

00:11:40.480 convince people that fear and horror are an appropriate response if that is what is being

00:11:46.320 told to them it's what philosophers right the argument here is remain blind remain obtuse

00:11:55.080 don't notice what's going on around you and don't worry go gently into that good night no no it's

00:12:00.700 it's more than that right so the the liberal position is that the people living in birmingham

00:12:06.100 as they were discussing are actually um empty vessels they are not capable of forming opinions

00:12:12.400 of their own and so as enoch powell points out well actually they're not very happy that there

00:12:18.260 are an inflow of tens of thousands of people who are replacing them in their own towns and they

00:12:24.560 are finding the difference in culture to be alarming and this is something they come to me

00:12:31.580 and say please raise this issue and miller is accusing him of as he says using the charisma

00:12:38.340 of his office to in fact implant this fear or this objection to the other in the minds of his

00:12:46.340 own constituents this is exactly the same as if he not power wants that as if he not powers wants

00:12:51.980 and this is exactly the same as they're saying here now they're saying it in a far less

00:12:57.160 articulate way because of course these are the children of modernity uh and uh at least

00:13:03.100 miller and powell had the benefit of a traditional education when they were young

00:13:06.920 but this is precisely the same point and they've been making it for well 50 years now if not more

00:13:13.780 i i have it or we have it on here in comments sometimes from a lefty where i've talked loads

00:13:18.980 i bang the drum repeatedly about a sectarian nightmare that we're facing sectarian nightmare

00:13:24.460 a racial religious ethnic tribal sectarian nightmare um and it's not and i'm talking about

00:13:30.840 that now because it's precisely what i don't want want to try and prevent that that's why i'm talking 0.65

00:13:35.960 about it now but you'll get some lefty some weirdo lefty traitor and they say oh that's what you want

00:13:41.120 oh you're talking about that because that's what you want no no no no exactly the opposite i've

00:13:46.500 done well enough reading in history to know this is not a desirable state of affairs uh yeah the

00:13:50.920 idea that the the hot the fear and horror is generated by the charisma of someone like enoch

00:13:56.040 powell not beheadings well yeah that's the point not 190 rapes a day not that it's not necessary

00:14:01.860 that this chap causes the impulse in people to be like actually i don't want all of these people 0.84

00:14:08.520 here uh the the normal people of these towns and countries the native people are not actually being

00:14:14.100 informed by the politicians in fact the politicians are doing everything they can to say no division

00:14:19.100 you're not allowed to notice you're not allowed to observe any differences it's just it keeps

00:14:23.040 getting shoved in our faces the idea that the fear and horror is generated by someone like

00:14:28.280 nigel or rupert or elon or tommy and not by that it just it's obviously wrong isn't it insulting

00:14:35.960 it's insulting it is but the story it's a quick thing though it's it's not just insulting it also

00:14:41.240 goes to show the childlike nature of the liberal's own worldview yes they genuinely think i mean as

00:14:47.980 if they themselves had no ideas until someone implanted these ideas in their head they never

00:14:52.580 drew anything from the world themselves and so they look to the authority and say what does the

00:14:57.580 authority tell me that's what i have to believe and i assume you are like me i assume you're as 0.67

00:15:02.660 much of an empty vessel as i was before i was given my libtard ideas but like i said they've

00:15:07.360 been having this conversation since 1960s it's still the same conversation it's still the same

00:15:11.360 perspective and they're still wrong on it sorry go on the the the thinking here is sort of like a

00:15:17.000 child being told not to run down the stairs eventually the child will fall and learn even

00:15:22.480 if you don't tell him not to run down the stairs that's one point but the second thing that i wanted

00:15:28.300 to mention is that the story is on arabic media is that this guy the the the latest uh

00:15:34.600 star shall we call him of diversity actually was part of the Janjaweed militia now these are the

00:15:43.220 people who were responsible for the ethnic cleansing and genocide in Darfur in Sudan

00:15:48.720 and so this guy managed to find his way from Sudan to Egypt from Egypt to France from France to

00:15:56.740 the Republic of Ireland and then to Northern Ireland where he ended up claiming asylum

00:16:01.220 with a background literally in butchering 0.96

00:16:05.060 large numbers of women and children

00:16:07.320 as part of a Sudanese paramilitia.

00:16:11.220 Well, he didn't learn these skills from nowhere, did he? 0.89

00:16:14.140 Well, anyway.

00:16:15.800 So that's...

00:16:16.960 And the idea that bringing these people in

00:16:20.220 wouldn't trigger some anxiety is absolutely insane.

00:16:24.360 Well, Jonathan Miller thinks it's not necessarily

00:16:26.680 that these people cause anxiety.

00:16:29.680 And I think he's wrong.

00:16:30.720 I think that history has now shown events have overtaken Jonathan Miller that actually, no, it is necessarily that this is what's causing the disturbance.

00:16:40.740 The events had overtaken Jonathan Miller at the time of Enoch Powell because he was writing about the neighbors of Asians having excrement shoved through their post and attacking little old ladies on the street and so on and so forth.

00:16:55.080 so the the point being we can just put that to bed when the liberals say well this is only because

00:17:01.500 elon musk or tommy robbins says no it's not that it's just not that and you're this is a comforting

00:17:06.800 lie that the liberal tells themselves in defense of multiculturalism and diversity because if it

00:17:13.500 turns out that the problem is not coming from something that they can censor then that means

00:17:19.540 the problem is intrinsic to their own worldview to their own political project and it means that

00:17:24.240 The failure of it is baked in.

00:17:26.760 I think that we're watching that failure happen in real time.

00:17:29.500 In fact, we get Keir Starmer's response.

00:17:32.840 We'll watch Keir Starmer's response because it's just remarkable, absolutely remarkable.

00:17:36.000 People are rightly sickened by the horrific attack on Monday night in North Belfast.

00:17:41.340 As you have just said, the man arrested has been in court in Belfast this morning and charged.

00:17:47.900 I want to thank the Police Service of Northern Ireland and other first responders

00:17:51.940 and members of the public who responded with such bravery and our thoughts are with the victim

00:17:58.860 but let me be clear are they are they though well let's let's just stop him there so he's

00:18:05.120 thanked the system for doing what the system should do and he's acted like this is a natural

00:18:10.700 event like it's an act of god like the do you remember the the welsh coal mine uh the welsh

00:18:16.140 coal tragedy that crushed a school and yeah no no one could have predicted that it was a terrible

00:18:21.300 tragedy is awful that's the kind of statement you give this is if the man committing the attack is

00:18:27.500 not himself an agent he has no agency he is just this is just as if the people that brought him

00:18:33.740 here have no agency exactly this is that brought him here had had no agency yes exactly and as

00:18:38.520 we're going to discover in your segment this was all a series of government policies that allowed

00:18:42.420 him to become here so anyway that's his position you notice how calm he is and uh not he's not

00:18:48.320 flustered at all.

00:18:49.040 But let me be clear, Mr Speaker, the acts of violence and arson that followed are totally

00:18:58.680 unjustified.

00:19:00.860 This morning I spoke with the First Minister, the Deputy First Minister and the Chief Constable.

00:19:07.540 And the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland is meeting leaders in Belfast today.

00:19:11.320 we are united in calling for calm and determined to restore order support the police and all those

00:19:20.560 on the front line and ensure that justice is done determined to call not determined to change

00:19:28.520 immigration policy not determined to prevent this from happening yeah not determined to spend lots

00:19:32.460 and lots of money on the safety of the people of northern ireland determined to maintain the system

00:19:37.020 as it is now because this is actually a wild response if you think about it right it's actually 0.74

00:19:41.420 really wild if you were the government of the british people you would speak to the immigrant

00:19:48.740 communities you would say why have you done this one of your number this is not the first

00:19:55.000 but instead he'll speak collectively to the the native people of northern ireland he'll say you

00:20:02.100 are all not allowed to take action we're going to take action and that action is going to be

00:20:07.520 nothing but why would you not be speaking directly to the immigrant communities why don't you say

00:20:12.580 something like if you attack a native white person white bridge person you will be met with the full

00:20:17.200 force of the law you will have your property stripped from you will be sent to jail and then

00:20:21.140 you will be deported you will have whatever punishments you you would speak to those

00:20:25.020 communities because you would assume they just don't know what the laws are in this country

00:20:29.300 right you would assume that they just don't know that the government is on the side of the british

00:20:33.920 people the british people have done nothing wrong they're the ones who have been attacked so you 0.94

00:20:37.980 would think the government would speak to the immigrants say do not do this why isn't the nudge 0.99

00:20:42.240 unit constantly propagandizing these communities with how they should be guests in our country

00:20:47.640 and treat us with respect and deference no the nudge unit is goes to the victims and says well

00:20:53.080 don't look back in anger don't you dare go out you know all the nudge unit is always targeted

00:20:57.320 against the british people rather than the immigrant communities which makes the immigrant

00:21:01.060 communities not change and they're the ones who have to change in order so this doesn't keep coming

00:21:06.660 up so where's his statement i was going to say exactly that where's his statement to

00:21:10.740 the sudanese expat community of northern ireland yes not a word not a peak you clearly do not

00:21:16.900 understand how to behave in britain towards the british people if you have a personal problem

00:21:21.800 with a british person you go to the authorities you don't just take it into your own hands but

00:21:26.220 of course is that how it works in sudan probably not no right because they don't why would i mean

00:21:31.700 this is not even their fault necessarily right let's i don't know anything about the why he did

00:21:36.080 this because none of that information has come out yet but let's assume these these men had a set to

00:21:40.320 and there was a you know maybe he had a justified reason for being angry at this guy maybe this guy

00:21:44.960 had stolen something from him maybe he had been racist and whatever you the government should be

00:21:50.580 explaining to the migrants no you don't just take these things into your own hands you go to the

00:21:54.540 authorities you you follow the legal process the full force of the law will be applied but he never 0.98

00:21:59.460 does he never talks to these immigrant communities he is always on their side they were more british

00:22:05.400 than you well that's probably what he would say so anyway and obviously people are pointing out

00:22:10.580 the hypocrisy of this because of course when the joyce floor protests happened he understood he

00:22:14.740 completely related that's fine when of course the protests and protests in belfast happen

00:22:19.200 that's objectionable the thing is you hear this line from people saying that the people who

00:22:24.140 immigrate to the west are better westerners than westerners because they want to be here

00:22:29.380 well you you hear this line or at least you used to hear this line it's not coming up i haven't

00:22:34.820 had that for a long time yeah but it's it used to hear this kind of thing and somewhere in their

00:22:39.800 minds these distinctions these categories aren't making sense anymore yeah and you're seeing them

00:22:47.360 try to crack down desperately but it's looks pathetic yeah well that is the thing a lot a lot

00:22:52.560 of if not nearly all their narratives the jonathan miller narratives not really hold i mean 0.71

00:22:58.740 they were nonsense from the beginning but not really holding up anymore they're falling apart

00:23:03.540 like uh tissue paper the magic in them is gone isn't it the magic in them is gone anyway for

00:23:08.040 the sake of time we'll move on so you of course have owen jones uh again keir starmer just as 0.57

00:23:13.180 hypocritical as owen jones on this oh it's terrible to incite racist violence but when it happened in 0.95

00:23:18.720 America, I donated $20. That's a bit cheap, Owen, to the Minnesota Freedom Fund. So it's one of those 0.84

00:23:25.240 things where, okay, we can see that, as you say, all of the hypocrisies are laid bare, the direction

00:23:31.980 of the state is laid bare, and the magic words are no longer working. And we can see this just

00:23:37.700 in everything. For example, the narratives they are promoting to us are so paper thin that they're

00:23:44.380 bordering on frankly the ridiculous very poor white people are being convinced that very poor 0.98

00:23:48.780 hard-working brown people or black people are responsible for the problems caused by billionaire 0.99

00:23:52.680 white men says the crime correspondent of the belfast telegraph it's like sorry what this is 0.97

00:23:59.060 caused by a terrorist from sudan being allowed into our country and then given the range of our

00:24:04.600 country to commit an attack there's nothing to do with economics frankly there's nothing to do with 0.55

00:24:10.940 economics of the situation it is a metaphysical question of what is and should be in the minds

00:24:17.740 of people in belfast and people who are obviously jihadis from sudan right it's these are metaphysical

00:24:24.060 questions they're not economic questions and even if it was an economic question when the stabbings

00:24:30.360 happening in the street it's not really elon musk's fault the thing is the there's something

00:24:36.260 that has to be said here which is this in sudan or in saudi arabia when a sudanese goes and works

00:24:43.200 in saudi arabia he doesn't behave like this of course not because he understands that the system

00:24:49.480 will instantly punish him yes and that he is suffered there temporarily and that he will be

00:24:55.800 deported for the slightest infringement and so he keeps on his best behavior because he's afraid of

00:25:01.160 the system he comes to britain and he finds that he's given a hotel and three square meals and some

00:25:07.320 pocket money and this and that and the other and the nudging is targeting the people the native

00:25:11.960 people even if he doesn't speak a single word word of english the excess generosity convinces

00:25:18.100 him that this is a weak society in which he can do anything that he wants there won't be any words

00:25:23.140 of condemnation if he tries even if he tries to behead someone in the street exactly even the

00:25:27.040 The Prime Minister didn't condemn him personally.

00:25:29.060 And so he escalates slowly from petty thievery to attacks to murder.

00:25:35.980 I'll just say this is a classic lefty pinko socialist argument

00:25:40.560 that whatever is going on...

00:25:42.000 Sorry, sorry, cope. Not argument, it's a cope.

00:25:44.440 Whatever happens, including a Sudanese person 1.00

00:25:47.120 trying to behead someone in the street, 1.00

00:25:49.100 it's the fault of billionaires, it's the fault of capitalism.

00:25:51.500 It's the fault of Elon Musk.

00:25:52.440 Somehow, that they can't get past,

00:25:54.500 they seemingly cannot get past the argument that it's unfair that there are extremely rich people

00:25:59.720 in the world while there are still some poor people in the world. And that, that is the cause

00:26:03.560 of every problem. It's just nonsense, isn't it? It is. For the sake of time, we're going to have

00:26:08.400 to move on. But this video has been going around. I'm not going to play it just because it's got

00:26:13.580 copyrighted music in it. But it's a Tupac song where he's saying, all I see is racist faces.

00:26:18.180 and it's an african guy who's filming the white protesters now in any other situation like for

00:26:26.540 example at the tommy robinson rally they'll go down they'll film and say oh look you know they

00:26:31.080 might be racist but you know i'm not under attack well in this they just run up behind him and clock 0.89

00:26:35.260 him in the back of the head and knock him to the ground why because he's black that's why they did

00:26:39.940 it seems and so it's clear that the um rules of engagement but no no the allegations of racism 0.93

00:26:49.680 are always fairly abstract when they condemn the tommy robinson marches oh look at all these

00:26:55.440 racists yeah okay you can call them racist but you're calling them racist in the abstract

00:27:00.260 you go down there and stand up to racism and shouting at them not thinking that they are

00:27:05.200 actually going to act on racism right so when like narinda cowher is down there going oh stand

00:27:10.980 up to racism she is assuming that they're not going to just beat her up for being brown right

00:27:15.120 whereas that's what happened to this guy and so it's like all of those allegations of racism

00:27:19.260 that were trapped in the uh sort of ether of polite public discourse are collapsing into reality now

00:27:27.620 so actually this is something that people have to be aware of and it's something that the

00:27:34.160 immigrants themselves are rapidly becoming aware of there have been a lot of these sorts of calls

00:27:39.280 into lbc and various other um talk shows where an immigrant called serkina has said well we're

00:27:46.540 feeling like a prisoner trapped in our own house in belfast because we we don't know if it's our

00:27:50.540 house is going to be torched next it's like yes this is suddenly become kinetic right this has

00:27:55.880 suddenly become very real and so all of the abstract allegations of racism actually mean

00:28:00.340 very little now like it doesn't control anymore and so the bubble has burst and a lot of um

00:28:07.100 unresolved dialectics start resolving themselves very very quickly like the next one is to uh

00:28:12.860 ugandan nurses i was going to play this but we're kind of running low on time but um but this was

00:28:17.260 quite sad you can you can get very into my time i only got three things from the house and the

00:28:25.220 only thing i did not get from the house were the letters my children wrote for me because that is

00:28:32.840 all i have from my children the letters that they wrote for me three years back when i was leaving 1.00

00:28:40.000 them back home look look at how awful a system it is that has incentivized some ugandan mother to 1.00

00:28:48.240 abandon her children in her country to come and work for what is going to be essentially slave 0.98

00:28:53.260 wage labor in a country she's not familiar with where the population don't want her there and

00:28:59.340 she's going to be terrorized right that is that's an awful system there's a perverse thing she should

00:29:05.380 be at home with her family she shouldn't be living in terror but then why have you brought her here

00:29:10.700 yes why is she here to act i mean and as we saw from the other day when we learned that it was

00:29:15.860 only was it 27 foreigners hired for every british person young british person yes in the economy

00:29:20.760 it's like but why yes you know why are you doing this to not only us but her as well

00:29:25.320 like this is not fair to her and this is all a policy choice by our government and look what

00:29:31.420 it's resulted in and just think about it uganda ends up having less nurses yep and then more

00:29:39.440 foreign aid is sent to uganda as a result while britain refuses to employ its own uh nhs staff

00:29:48.660 and its own doctors and nurses,

00:29:50.160 choosing instead to import them from abroad.

00:29:52.740 The whole thing is perversity on perversity. 0.99

00:29:56.980 It's harmful to the natives 0.99

00:29:58.420 and it's harmful to a lot of the people brought here. 1.00

00:30:02.540 She hasn't done anything wrong.

00:30:04.340 No.

00:30:04.720 She's not a criminal. 1.00

00:30:05.680 She's just followed the rules 0.99

00:30:06.700 and done exactly as our government has asked her to do.

00:30:08.960 And it's resulted in this.

00:30:10.400 I was going to say, genuinely, with zero xenophobia,

00:30:13.400 this woman should go back to Uganda and be with her children.

00:30:15.680 I want her to be with her children. 1.00

00:30:17.400 Yeah.

00:30:17.600 well i wouldn't leave my children for three years like god you know like and okay you might not get

00:30:22.760 the amount of money to send back to uganda that you make on the nhs or whatever but that's the

00:30:27.220 nature of life i'm afraid you know otherwise you get the imperial state using you as cannon fodder

00:30:32.100 in a conflict you are now in whether you expect it to be or not that's not of your own making

00:30:38.420 and beyond your own comprehension like that's what's happening to these women and there's

00:30:42.200 another one on this but carry on right and then you've got um uh indian man who's just like we're

00:30:47.240 leaving right now you know we didn't sleep all night this was horrible it was like a war zone 0.90

00:30:50.500 yeah no one was coming out people were so scared and that's another interesting point as well

00:30:54.320 is the the lack of uh state authority exercised by the local authorities in belfast and in northern

00:31:02.320 ireland against the riots this has been something that they have billy clubbed down for decades now

00:31:08.660 they've always gone out and they they sent up um uh the uh fire hose uh trucks and you know the

00:31:15.520 and whatnot um water cannon water cans that's right and and it's got to the point now where

00:31:21.160 these are just of scale that they feel they can't control and so now the people who felt that the

00:31:27.820 state was on their side are like okay the state has shown its weakness it's shown it can't protect us 0.97

00:31:34.060 and therefore we have to leave because the natives are not happy and this is becoming a real problem

00:31:41.760 it's what we were speaking about earlier before the show started colonialism collapsing yes

00:31:46.080 we'll talk about it in depth another time um then there was another lady here joe a blackbridge

00:31:52.500 doctor um why she was thinking about leaving because if nigel farage gets in backed by people 0.56

00:31:57.780 like these we are gone because in their minds nigel farage for us he's a wet lib and we know 0.77

00:32:02.060 he's a wet lib nigel farage will never engage in any kind of behavior like this i'm sure he's done 0.96

00:32:06.320 nothing but condemn it since but to them Nigel Farage represents the native sentiment the national 1.00

00:32:12.140 principle that is on the rise and they understand oh we're actually there's something that we're on

00:32:19.040 the outside of that actually sees us as the problem so it's like okay maybe maybe we should

00:32:23.500 think like as you know we were saying there there are no uh black shoes left in Morocco or Algeria

00:32:30.480 um and then so you get the uh the the politician saying well this is a race-based pogrom

00:32:37.340 kind of yeah kind of yeah it is kind of that way and this is something that is of your making 0.66

00:32:44.860 you have made this happen by doing nothing as you said with the saudis do nothing to ensure the

00:32:52.520 newcomers understood they were guests and their place here was temporary as long as we tolerated 0.72

00:33:01.340 it the government and the people having a moral unity to put the immigrants in their own place 0.95

00:33:09.240 and so make them ensure that they behave themselves well without that when you actually 0.88

00:33:14.220 say no we're for the immigrants and against the natives well yes you end up generating this

00:33:20.260 i'm not in favor of it obviously but you end up generating this and there was um this genuinely

00:33:27.260 um like amazing series of like phoning conversations on lbc where jack was saying here

00:33:34.800 like the rioting of belfast is not really about immigration anymore it's about race it's about 0.82

00:33:39.520 we don't want people who are not like us here and i think that's kind of true right and as much so

00:33:46.400 you know as much as it's unpleasant to get to that point i think that you've pushed it so far

00:33:51.840 without being able to ever acknowledge that there is a difference here because it's a good

00:33:56.840 heuristic it's a good because people are in inherently and insanely hateful it's because

00:34:03.960 okay how what is the easiest way to tell yeah if someone is native british well this happens to be

00:34:11.720 one of them it is a it is a generally accurate it's it's a generally accurate way of knowing

00:34:16.980 that actually you probably it wouldn't necessarily happen to a polish person wouldn't happen to a

00:34:21.980 frenchman it wouldn't but you know clearly you're of the indian subcontinent or of africa or of the 0.65

00:34:28.220 middle east and therefore we're not for it but this is what is happening yeah and it's happening

00:34:33.740 because you failed in your duty to make sure that the foreigners understood their place in society 0.70

00:34:39.240 and their role in the world you tried to make them equal or superior to the natives of northern

00:34:44.940 ireland and the rest of this country and people aren't having any more i mean this is just we'll

00:34:49.080 end on this the most incredible conversation with ian dale uh purportedly a conservative

00:34:54.340 this country will remain almost ungovernable until we have mass deportations i mean we

00:34:59.920 consistently voted conservative we voted for brexit the politicians just seem to turn around 0.57

00:35:04.900 throw it all back in our faces and say here you go have record levels of immigration instead and

00:35:10.440 i think the very base of this whole thing that is this problem just a massive disconnect between

00:35:15.440 the political class and the people of this country who have never given any consent to this and

00:35:20.820 there's certainly no mandate for the scale of immigration we're seeing to this country but you

00:35:24.620 can't go as far as certainly restore have gone and indeed reform have gone i think too far on this too 0.93

00:35:33.980 to deport people who are here perfectly legally you mean you mean end indefinitely to remain

00:35:40.160 well you can do that for future people but you can't do that for people who've already got it

00:35:45.760 i mean that would be outrageous surely you can yeah of course you can i mean it's easily we can

00:35:50.420 so people who are here perfectly legally you think should be deported from a basic humanity point of

00:35:56.280 view from a fairness point of view you can't suddenly tell people who've got a perfect legal

00:36:01.840 right to be here that oh we're changing the rules now um so you'll have you'll have to go i mean

00:36:06.800 that that you cannot do that well you can do that but is that really the kind of country you want to 0.98

00:36:12.900 live in yes yes please in fact it's entirely necessary to avoid a sectarian nightmare yeah 0.94

00:36:21.420 to avoid this getting any worse yes you can't do that nonsense i'm afraid ian nonsense we can 0.66

00:36:27.460 and not only that they're going to self-deport they're going to self-deport they're already 0.60

00:36:30.920 telling us oh we're going to leave because we're we're seeing the racial conflict explode that the

00:36:36.680 government has essentially fermented for decades now and so the only safe and viable alternative

00:36:43.620 to that is mass deportations he wants to talk about fairness oh yeah not the fairness for the 0.93

00:36:49.680 native people that are getting demographically replaced and ultimately wiped out in their one

00:36:53.340 and only ancestral homeland not fairness for those people fairness for the invaders ian's worried

00:36:59.180 about okay okay i see okay it is precisely that graph of levels of empathy internal versus

00:37:06.420 external you know empathy towards your own versus empathy towards complete strangers it's exactly

00:37:11.260 that in his mind but it's more than that it's a delusion that the whole world can be fair all the

00:37:17.280 time to everyone when in reality at least some of it is a bit of a zero-sum game and at least

00:37:25.500 some of it

00:37:26.860 if you're going to accept reality

00:37:30.180 well life is unfair

00:37:31.220 and it's full of injustices

00:37:33.300 and it's a question of choice

00:37:36.120 which injustices are tolerable

00:37:37.700 and which ones are absolutely intolerable

00:37:40.400 and

00:37:40.900 losing Britain from history

00:37:43.660 is actually intolerable

00:37:45.680 oh yeah I'm not going to tolerate

00:37:46.680 like you know

00:37:48.760 having some visa problems

00:37:50.480 been there done that

00:37:51.700 yeah it's a bit inconvenient

00:37:53.460 but there's a difference between inconvenient and intolerable it would be inconvenient for me to go

00:37:58.940 back to lebanon it wouldn't be intolerable it would be intolerable if if lebanon or britain

00:38:03.160 cease to exist that's the difference we'll we'll leave that there sorry we've got loads of um

00:38:08.380 comments but unfortunately i ran over time um there are there are lots of them um that are

00:38:13.080 basically uh making the point that you made that the magic words of racism sexism and various others

00:38:18.280 they just they just don't work anymore irrelevant and it's good it's about time i want to have her

00:38:22.840 talk about the real issues rather than the liberal shibboleths and uh tripwires i'm just not

00:38:28.980 interested in them anymore and i think that a lot of people agree with me anyway let's uh let's move

00:38:33.360 on so at the end this what is happening has to be seen at least as part of a religious conflict

00:38:42.440 between the utopian religion of liberalism and reality and how reality actually works

00:38:51.780 And you see it very much reflected in this article by Craig Monroe on Metro, where basically what he's aggrieved at is that the blood of Joe Cox failed to be the seed of the liberal utopia.

00:39:09.520 In Christianity, we say the blood of martyrs is the seed of the church.

00:39:13.340 And his expectation was that the murder of Joe Cox,

00:39:16.180 condemnable, awful, nobody's advocating murdering MPs here,

00:39:21.640 failed in its actual metaphysical purpose

00:39:27.640 of saving British society from division.

00:39:31.380 And this is a long lament about...

00:39:33.460 Not just that, saving British society from the right, from the non-liberal.

00:39:37.340 Well, that's what division is.

00:39:38.560 Sure, well, yeah, of course.

00:39:39.520 In this map of the world, division only comes from the right

00:39:46.340 because it's the fault of Enoch Powell for noticing.

00:39:49.140 And if he hadn't spoken, if you don't speak about it, it's not real.

00:39:52.240 The fault of his constituents for noticing and him being a good politician

00:39:55.680 and actually caring about their opinions.

00:39:58.020 Exactly.

00:39:59.020 Exactly.

00:40:00.100 And you sort of see this big lament that, you know,

00:40:02.900 it's been 10 years of reflecting and thinking of the promise

00:40:06.220 that was made 10 years ago

00:40:08.860 to end division and all of that

00:40:10.160 and now unfortunately

00:40:14.120 we're back to being divided.

00:40:17.880 There's division again in Britain

00:40:19.440 and these unfortunate incidents

00:40:22.500 that happened,

00:40:23.380 the trial of Digvas

00:40:25.300 for murdering Henry Novak

00:40:26.720 and the butchering attempt

00:40:29.120 in Belfast,

00:40:30.980 these are just feeding 0.83

00:40:32.040 that evil division 0.98

00:40:33.220 that should have been healed

00:40:34.800 by the blood of Joe Cox.

00:40:36.220 that's the mental map that they have.

00:40:39.280 That's the sort of thinking that they have.

00:40:42.120 And you see it in the comments

00:40:44.040 of Joe Cox's husband at the time,

00:40:47.960 Brendan Cox.

00:40:50.380 Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives,

00:40:53.320 more difficult, more painful, less joyful.

00:40:56.600 We are going to work every moment of our lives

00:40:59.060 to love and nurture the kids

00:41:00.080 and fight against the hate that killed Joe.

00:41:03.160 so it's not that the murder of joe cox wrong as he was misguided as he was had some kind of

00:41:11.200 claim to his country that he thought that he was defending it's that that he was animated by hate

00:41:17.780 i mean that is hate as far as i'm concerned he yelled britain first then killed her yes and he

00:41:23.060 literally says hate doesn't have a creed race or religion it's poisonous okay if i mean obviously

00:41:28.360 condemned but like what you are saying there is that essentially no patriotic sentiment is

00:41:35.220 acceptable and it always leads to murder yes and so okay that's off the table forever for everyone

00:41:40.860 that's precisely the implication that's precisely the implication um and and when he says hate

00:41:47.380 doesn't have a creed race or religion it is poisonous the mistake that he's making there is

00:41:52.620 is simple. Actually, hate is part of every human being. It's part of the human condition. It's

00:41:59.740 tragic. It's not something we should fall into. And it is part of every religion except for

00:42:05.440 Christianity that says, love your enemies. And he's applying that sentiment out of place in a

00:42:11.760 weird way. He's looking at St. Paul saying there is neither Greek nor Jew in Christ and assuming

00:42:18.800 that all that that applies to nationhood and that applies to countries which is a misreading of

00:42:25.620 scripture because what applies spiritually doesn't necessarily apply biologically these are two

00:42:29.720 different things but it just goes show the moral inheritance of liberalism is purely christian

00:42:34.160 without the actual metaphysical structure that makes it work exactly exactly without the

00:42:40.360 scaffolding of natural law that allows you to actually operate it yeah to actually pass reality

00:42:46.120 precisely yeah precisely not not with uh specific reference to the murder of joe cox in a much more

00:42:53.560 broader sense much more meta sense it's correct to feel hate sometimes sometimes that's correct

00:43:02.200 if someone's trying to murder your child that's okay to hate them for trying to do that yes just

00:43:07.780 you can never have hate ever any human for any reason can never have hate and even if that doesn't

00:43:13.440 i'm going to talk about who actually gets this where to have it and to what extent and with what

00:43:18.780 limits that that's a very important point that's a very important point even if a christian would

00:43:24.080 say well um it's something that you need to feel uh guilty about after the fact and you you should

00:43:31.360 uh repent for your sins it's not to say that you can never feel hate it's inevitable that a human

00:43:37.440 being feels hate exactly and exactly and i say this as an atheist and i completely agree with

00:43:41.760 view on this i actually think some hate's good and some of these views but like from the christian

00:43:45.860 perspective even even like a diehard christian reading isn't you must never be hateful right

00:43:50.560 the hate itself is something to be abolished it is something to be overcome after you've passed

00:43:56.480 through it you know even the christian understands exactly so but anyway yeah i do agree with you i

00:44:01.780 feel like morally ethically you know what is it yoda says hate leads to anger anger leads to

00:44:06.560 suffering or whatever.

00:44:07.680 I think sometimes,

00:44:08.780 some people need some.

00:44:10.280 Morally, ethically,

00:44:11.200 it's the right thing to be angry,

00:44:13.380 to be hateful against something

00:44:14.820 which warrants it.

00:44:16.080 There is such a thing as righteous anger.

00:44:18.140 Right.

00:44:18.560 The distinction is between

00:44:19.740 blind wrath and righteous anger.

00:44:22.240 You are perfectly entitled

00:44:23.520 to righteous anger

00:44:24.380 for all kinds of things.

00:44:26.380 All kinds of things.

00:44:27.560 I've never believed the idea

00:44:28.500 that no matter what your enemies do to you,

00:44:30.560 just accept it and love them

00:44:31.900 as much as anyone else.

00:44:33.140 No.

00:44:33.660 That's why I'm a lot more pagan

00:44:34.620 than I was doing on that.

00:44:35.860 I think not.

00:44:36.320 actually anyway different different conversation for a different time but you are absolutely

00:44:41.760 correct from a christian perspective in my opinion so that's that's that's what i'll leave it here

00:44:47.200 and then you see this constant attempt to sort of cast to to turn hate into something abstract as a

00:44:54.160 sort of substitute for the devil in a way and as a kind of metaphysical thing that doesn't really

00:45:00.480 as if there's a universal pool of hate yes people draw from and it's like well if you just stop

00:45:06.000 drawing from that pool then everything will be fine it's like yes no that's not how the nature

00:45:10.640 of human emotions works exactly when your enemies are drawing from that same pool and will refuse to

00:45:17.520 not do it well well let's let's carry on shall we because yeah it's exactly where we end up right so

00:45:23.680 after the london bridge attacks uh the london the the uh the westminster bridge attack sorry

00:45:29.840 you saw this kind of statement that we know comes from nudge units and comes from deep within the

00:45:37.300 bowels of the deep state um where the wife of one of the victims says that she had no hate towards 0.74

00:45:44.000 the murderer and she says i don't feel any ill will towards him i don't know i'd want him executed

00:45:51.920 even the most righteous christian would probably not be on that i mean yeah i think i'd want him

00:45:58.440 executed to be fair i don't know what he was feeling or thinking or anything that had been

00:46:04.000 going on in his life and so i can't relate i just know that unfortunately he didn't have the

00:46:09.240 qualities and the beautiful heart that my husband had so i actually feel a little sorry for him no

00:46:14.560 hate there's space for anger here from a christian perspective there's space for anger and for a

00:46:23.040 thirst for justice at least it doesn't feel like a nudge unit statement exactly right yeah not

00:46:29.280 completely feels like it feels personal from her even if i don't agree with it not completely yeah

00:46:34.740 and you saw the same thing after the manchester arena bombings uh and the reaction probably

00:46:45.980 inspired by the nudge unit i think the concert afterwards or the sort of event that happened

00:46:50.380 afterwards was fully organized by that unit and you see it tended to spontaneously start yeah

00:46:57.560 exactly exactly exactly it's completely contrived completely contrived completely i i genuinely

00:47:04.040 think it was the manchester arena bombing where the nudge unit started getting properly involved

00:47:07.740 yes in the statements of the victims families yeah because then the the statements all start

00:47:12.420 becoming weirdly homogenous yeah and suddenly you know it's like well you know it's like an

00:47:18.020 act of god it is remarkable how many of these bereaved families how they all feel the same way

00:47:23.180 about immigration is remarkable isn't it very and then you see that you know mrs mary the mother of

00:47:30.720 one of the victims god rest the souls of all the victims uh very early on i forgave abby okay fair

00:47:38.960 enough i felt compelled to say it and to be honest i was never really angry with a guy

00:47:44.220 really yeah that's what i say good well good for you good for you i think i'm i'm furious yeah

00:47:50.600 that's yeah that's a bit yeah great yeah you're very very emotionally well balanced then great

00:47:56.740 yeah no i'm outraged i'm outraged and we'll remain so and there's something a bit

00:48:02.420 very strange that this is something that that would be said very misguided and foolish but

00:48:09.760 he thought he was doing the right thing for his cause yeah that's literally the weirdest absolute

00:48:15.900 weird i mean do you understand his cause and how much hatred is involved in it and what kind of

00:48:22.660 destruction and murderousness animates it but that's the point and someone who adheres to that

00:48:27.720 cause is by definition the worst enemy no but that's the thing she's not saying that his cause

00:48:34.180 is hateful right she's conceding that his cause is actually just he just went about yes advancing

00:48:40.800 his cause foolishly misguided i mean like this i mean don't get the guy who murdered joe cox

00:48:47.740 obviously say screaming britain first the murder that's terrible right but you like that no no

00:48:53.760 compassion for him trying to do the right thing for his cause and obviously so obviously shouldn't

00:48:59.280 But you wouldn't for this either unless you also believed in the cause.

00:49:03.820 Yes.

00:49:04.780 So what are you doing?

00:49:06.200 Like this fits in a debate between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists

00:49:10.160 over what kind of tactic do you use to win.

00:49:12.960 This is a debate on Egyptian TV.

00:49:14.420 Yes, exactly. 0.97

00:49:15.540 Well, under Sisi you'd get shot.

00:49:17.440 Well, okay, well, wherever.

00:49:18.600 So, you know.

00:49:19.620 Yes.

00:49:20.000 It's so mad.

00:49:21.580 And then she says, he died and no one really cares about him.

00:49:25.420 well actually to a lot of people he's a hero he's a martyr he's a martyr so that's a big category

00:49:33.580 error and she says she would not give in to hatred and fear and rebuke right-wing extremists

00:49:39.480 the people who'd want to prevent this from happening

00:49:42.860 that is that that is religion completely misplaced yes that is a that is madness this is

00:49:53.180 sentimentalism masquerading as religion and having zero understanding of the

00:49:59.760 world and of reality this is like saying that he was a her husband was a

00:50:04.700 martyr it's it's just insane and even in the murder of religion morally and

00:50:13.580 ethically it's perverse yes disgusting perverse thing it's supposed to see

00:50:17.740 their morality it is a perversion of christianity that is what their morality is and they are

00:50:24.640 deeply misguided shall we say i don't want to use harsh words against the victims of such crimes or

00:50:30.340 their families but not her words anyway is it well i mean who knows no no we don't know because

00:50:36.460 the 77 brigade make sure we don't know and even if they were her words we don't know who sat her

00:50:42.520 down and gave her grief counseling at a moment of extreme vulnerability and ended up putting words

00:50:50.120 in her mouth but this empathizing with the murderer i just he thought he was doing the

00:50:56.180 right thing for his cause that is demented to say i'm sorry there's a demented perspective

00:51:02.020 and even with the family of uh of david ames uh the mp who was amos sorry

00:51:09.680 uh there was there's a writer called ames right

00:51:14.200 martin amos yes yes yes sorry sorry david amos it is okay as far as i'm aware sorry

00:51:21.460 um but you you sort of see the same pattern of statements we ask people to set aside their

00:51:28.180 differences and show kindness and love to all love to all is a little bit impossible you're

00:51:35.980 called to have it but by definition love has an order the ordo amoris whereby the people closest

00:51:44.980 to you are the people who are you you are obligated to love the most if only for the

00:51:49.680 practical fact that you're spending the most time with them but also notice so this just seems it's

00:51:55.380 Okay, no, we have to have a unity with the community from which this keeps happening.

00:52:00.160 Exactly.

00:52:00.760 But a unity has to go both ways.

00:52:02.840 Here's what the family says, which is very unfortunate in my view.

00:52:07.900 Whatever one's race, religious, or political beliefs, be tolerant and try to understand.

00:52:12.880 Well, no, no, no.

00:52:13.940 If your religious beliefs are not tolerance.

00:52:17.060 We're supposed to tolerate their intolerance of us.

00:52:20.040 Yes.

00:52:20.720 They're entirely intolerant.

00:52:21.880 Couldn't be more intolerant, and we've got to tolerate that.

00:52:24.780 Yes.

00:52:25.380 no i don't feel like i don't think so i don't think so no no i reject that paradigm and and

00:52:31.140 the heart of the matter is is is this as a family we are trying to understand why this awful thing

00:52:37.220 has occurred because of his religion he was against you yeah he was waging jihad against

00:52:44.660 you and so he murdered your father as well he did yeah he did he he was some kind of

00:52:50.980 isis uh affiliates but as if we can't resist people waging war on us yes that that that's the

00:53:00.580 that is the implication it's it's not christianity as a defiant faith or as a sword or as a faith

00:53:06.660 that carries the sword which it always has it's christianity as complete submission when in

00:53:12.420 reality the passages around you know if he makes you walk a mile walk two these are all ways of

00:53:18.340 defiance in the face of severe odds they're not calls to submission this is why turning the other

00:53:24.500 cheek is actually quite chad like it's saying you can't affect you can't break me you can't break

00:53:29.860 me exactly that's these are the but these are people who are already broken that's the problem

00:53:34.180 that's the fundamental there's no defiance against the oppressor there at all

00:53:38.820 and you see it at the same time obviously with the southport stabbings where they had the families

00:53:45.060 issuing the same exact kinds of statements the the police chief said the

00:53:52.820 that they had asked her to deliver a public appeal for calm look if I get 0.93

00:54:01.780 murdered by a jihadi don't be too calm please yeah please please don't be too 0.99

00:54:09.000 calm uh free why trust me bro i want you to politicize the hell out of my death and sell 0.98

00:54:15.080 my cloak and buy a soul if it's in these sorts of circumstances sell your cloak and buy a sword

00:54:19.880 exactly exactly uh you have shown a great uh a great courage and asked me to be here today to

00:54:28.820 give a message from you alice's family to say that you do not want there to be any more violence on

00:54:34.240 the streets of the united kingdom in the name of your daughter said uh chief constable serena

00:54:41.240 kennedy i am ashamed that i'm sorry that you even have to consider this in the planning of the

00:54:46.820 funeral of your beautiful daughter now the the the term the murder of children of your beautiful

00:54:54.440 daughter is not something they should have ever had to have uttered right that's children should

00:55:00.200 bury their parents not the other way around so and it's only in times of war that parents bury

00:55:05.860 their children so why is this happening exactly because there is a war going on yes there is a

00:55:12.040 division obviously and you see the same thing with the family of of henry novak we do not want his

00:55:20.020 death to be used to create further division hatred or tension you had a family nudge unit statement

00:55:26.640 Exactly. You had a Sikh family organize a cover-up on the spot the minute that they learned that their son had murdered somebody, they organized the cover-up on the spot. 0.97

00:55:39.380 Instead of learning something about differences in values, differences in culture, differences in belief systems, you just went on these fumes of post-Christianity. 0.97

00:55:52.480 Liberal tolerance.

00:55:53.460 and spoke about or were asked to speak about tolerance and the the implication that underpins

00:56:00.920 all of this is if we just tolerate enough murder for long enough the people committing the murders

00:56:06.600 will eventually essentially give up yes and they'll just stop well trust us they'll just stop

00:56:11.220 if you just hug them tighter allow them to stab you more they'll just eventually stop and i don't

00:56:15.760 believe it and i don't see why we have to sacrifice our children in order to get to that point when

00:56:20.960 we could just not allow it to happen in the first place again the implication of the whole this

00:56:26.800 this whole argument of don't look back in anger don't stir any sort of division don't even don't

00:56:33.520 say anything don't notice that there is a divide don't notice and don't say notice that there's a

00:56:37.960 war against you calm down yeah don't notice it the the implication of that the net result of

00:56:42.640 all of that is that they hope that you just take your annihilation in silence yeah whereas in

00:56:48.340 that is really what it is isn't it whereas in reality all it does is encourage more violence

00:56:54.080 yes weakness is provocation exactly weakness is a provocation it invites more aggression

00:57:00.040 whereas punishment righteous righteousness justice righteous anger strength that's it yes just

00:57:07.660 everyone knows that any any anyone who's ever read any military history anywhere in all of time

00:57:14.440 knows that these are the immutable laws of the events there's a couple of great passages from

00:57:19.960 tacitus where he says some great what one of the one of the things that uh makes people hate you

00:57:26.300 the most is if you when you when you forgive them yes when you're extremely generous and your

00:57:30.880 largesse has got no bounds and you forgive them whatever they do yes that makes them hate you

00:57:35.140 more yeah but it's it's just inevitable when when all of these things happen is strength is the

00:57:41.220 deterrent and weakness is the provocation yes because they think they can get away with it or

00:57:44.680 they don't think they can get away with it yes and this this is just the only the only iron law

00:57:50.180 of these kinds of interactions is that and and this call to tolerance i mean you see two things

00:57:56.740 with this endless call to tolerance and endless call to not look back in anger don't notice the

00:58:02.000 war that's going on against you there are two things that happen uh firstly whenever a british

00:58:09.460 person reacts or does something it's always full force of the law yeah it's always fight this hate

00:58:17.140 guarantee you they'll come down exactly and so the trials for the uh protests that that uh happened

00:58:25.340 after the um the novak uh verdict no no they're sentenced within a week after the south uh the

00:58:33.020 southport murders they're sentenced within 24 hours you know there's none of that and there's

00:58:40.820 always this idea that everybody in britain is guilty of hate and so there is this collective

00:58:47.840 guilt that befalls not just britain but all of the western world and that guilt comes from

00:58:53.620 the holocaust from slavery colonialism from sexism from uh transphobia from whatever

00:59:01.500 These societies are all guilty collectively, but pattern recognition is verboten.

00:59:12.660 But having some kind of similar communal spirit against the communities that are attacking you, that's forbidden. 0.57

00:59:22.680 It's eternal sacrifice on the part of Westerners.

00:59:25.700 Yes.

00:59:26.340 That's the goal of the current system is eternal sacrifice.

00:59:29.700 Constantly.

00:59:30.720 Constantly.

00:59:31.180 Until, as you say, Beau, annihilation awaits.

00:59:34.500 Well, or, in their view, utopia, you know.

00:59:37.340 Well, yeah.

00:59:38.820 And maybe they're the same thing in their view.

00:59:41.420 The liberal things.

00:59:42.120 Maybe they're the same thing in their view.

00:59:43.400 At the end of that is utopia.

00:59:44.660 But I hate to say it, we're going to have to move on for the sake of time.

00:59:47.360 So, you know, the only person who has actually, of these victims' parents who have been, they've tried to manipulate,

00:59:55.860 the only one who's reacted correctly is Siobhan White.

01:00:00.540 the mother of Rhiannon White

01:00:02.800 and she 1.00

01:00:05.140 isn't that just a normal 0.79

01:00:07.260 reaction, isn't that what you'd expect from a normal

01:00:09.300 human being? She's the only one they couldn't manipulate 0.98

01:00:11.380 she's the only one

01:00:13.560 they couldn't manipulate

01:00:14.280 she says we're never going to get over it

01:00:16.740 as a mother it's not just destroyed me, it's the grandchildren

01:00:19.280 it's the siblings, my mum passed

01:00:21.400 away two days after the verdict so basically

01:00:23.320 he killed two people, regardless

01:00:25.380 of how much I hate him

01:00:27.240 the love I feel for

01:00:29.420 Rhiannon overwhelms that. That is correct and Christian. Your life should still be 0.97

01:00:36.420 navigated with love without taking away the fact that there are awful people who you want destroyed

01:00:44.000 for the sake of justice. The entire frame though is that your love for your family,

01:00:48.500 your love for your children, your love for your neighbors, your love for your country

01:00:52.460 is framed fundamentally as hateful because it is particular. Yes, because it's exclusive.

01:00:58.780 Because by definition, your attachment is excluding them and therefore you hate them.

01:01:03.580 And so they ascribe to you drawing from the pool of hate when actually you are drawing from the pool of love.

01:01:10.780 Because as Chesterton says, a soldier doesn't fight for hatred of what's in front of him, but for a love of what's behind him.

01:01:16.820 And just to continue with what she said, now she's trying to introduce Rihanna's Law, 0.66

01:01:22.300 which would see illegal migrants living in hotels or HMOs given electronic tags.

01:01:26.660 not a bad idea, medical checks to ascertain their health status

01:01:30.420 because her daughter's murderer had HIV, I believe, right?

01:01:34.720 Really? I don't know.

01:01:35.500 I think so, as well as immediate vetting and criminal checks

01:01:38.400 when they arrive in Britain.

01:01:41.200 I mean, all things would have been sensible.

01:01:43.320 It should have been done in advance.

01:01:45.280 She has unsuccessfully reached out multiple times

01:01:47.800 to the Prime Minister and Home Secretary

01:01:49.360 and now hopes the White House can pressure Labour to act.

01:01:52.960 I feel like I'm not being listened to, she told GB News.

01:01:56.800 Well, obviously, because she's expressed the correct sentiments.

01:02:00.000 It feels like Rhiannon is just brushed under the carpet.

01:02:03.860 I'm glad Novak's family have met Starmer because that child deserved that

01:02:08.600 and his family deserved that.

01:02:10.520 But because there was an illegal migrant involved in Rhiannon's case 0.96

01:02:13.200 and many more cases, they're not willing to reach out and listen

01:02:15.940 and give me answers.

01:02:18.020 And that's fascinating, isn't it?

01:02:19.320 And the reason she's, sorry, the reason she's being ignored is because she said this.

01:02:26.720 She said clearly.

01:02:28.500 And sadly, she won't be the last.

01:02:32.180 But we were handed a life sentence today.

01:02:34.060 I had to watch my daughter die.

01:02:36.160 And where is Starmer?

01:02:37.000 He's got blood on his hands.

01:02:38.300 I don't think I really.

01:02:40.680 I mean, that's exactly what I would expect.

01:02:43.360 That's much more sensible.

01:02:44.400 That's a human reaction.

01:02:45.940 not mediated by nudged units

01:02:48.740 and the psychology of nudged units.

01:02:51.060 No, there's none of this universal liberal nonsense.

01:02:53.680 This is, my daughter was murdered.

01:02:56.360 Exactly.

01:02:56.660 My daughter.

01:02:57.540 Exactly, exactly.

01:02:59.460 So the division is real and it's there.

01:03:03.160 And the time of brushing it under the carpet has passed

01:03:05.960 because none of the magic words work anymore.

01:03:09.060 And because reality is just too severe and atrocious.

01:03:12.540 and so if you're a politician you'd better adapt yeah let's move on for the sake of time sorry

01:03:21.860 people at censor chats i really apologize i didn't i i knew this was going to be a

01:03:25.400 a difficult podcast i didn't realize how uh how much we'd have to say yep

01:03:30.300 okay i thought it might be worth asking uh the question who is to blame at least to some degree

01:03:39.120 with everything that's going on in the wake of

01:03:41.260 the Belfast thing

01:03:43.260 the Belfast incident

01:03:44.740 and of course many more like it

01:03:47.140 like the murder of Rhiannon White

01:03:49.360 or Wayne Broadhurst

01:03:50.860 or any number of murders and atrocities

01:03:52.960 and rapes and injustices

01:03:54.180 who really is to blame

01:03:55.700 well actually

01:03:58.100 I was going to play a clip of Starmer

01:04:00.840 but you played it in a segment just a minute ago

01:04:02.480 so we've already seen it

01:04:03.680 but it was just a whole bunch of platitudes

01:04:05.780 our thoughts and prayers are with the family

01:04:07.220 are they?

01:04:08.160 He makes a point of never saying prayers.

01:04:11.020 Oh, is it?

01:04:11.500 He makes a point of never saying prayers.

01:04:13.780 Okay.

01:04:14.160 Either way, it's a platitude, isn't it?

01:04:16.460 Completely.

01:04:16.780 He said, well, this is horrific, and they're rightly offended.

01:04:20.100 But, and it's like, okay, but that should never have happened,

01:04:23.220 or that I'm going to make sure that this doesn't happen in the future.

01:04:26.160 I'm going to crack down on those people who are going to make a big deal out of it,

01:04:29.040 because that's the thing that should never happen.

01:04:31.040 Let's just watch again.

01:04:31.960 Mr Speaker, people are rightly sickened by the horrific attack on Monday night in North Belfast.

01:04:37.960 As you have just said, the man arrested has been in court in Belfast this morning and charged.

01:04:44.600 I want to thank the Police Service of Northern Ireland and other first responders

01:04:48.560 and members of the public who responded with such bravery.

01:04:54.180 They shouldn't have to.

01:04:56.460 They shouldn't have to.

01:04:57.720 What are you going to do to make sure this doesn't happen again?

01:05:00.680 Nothing.

01:05:00.880 our thoughts are with the victim but let me be clear in the same breath in the same breath our

01:05:07.700 thoughts are with the victim don't believe you and then in the same breath but if you react in

01:05:12.920 any way if you say anything really you're the problem okay there's an article was in the mail

01:05:20.680 i thought was very interesting belfast knife knife suspect one asylum in britain under fast

01:05:25.580 track scheme introduced by rishi sunak's government i'll just read a bit of this please

01:05:30.400 the belfast uh knife attack suspect was granted asylum in britain under a controversial fast

01:05:36.340 track scheme the daily mail can reveal haddie allodid allodid was given permission to stay

01:05:44.960 here after completing a 10-page home office questionnaire rather than undergoing the standard

01:05:49.400 and far more rigorous face-to-face interview process so he just filled out he just filled

01:05:54.120 out a bit of paper are you a terrorist no yeah you don't even need to say that to anyone's face

01:06:00.180 you can just say it on a bit of paper it prompted new calls to rethink the quote streamlined program

01:06:07.240 set up when rishi sunak was prime minister as part of his pledge to clear a backlog of 92 000 0.98

01:06:13.060 asylum cases the then home secretary you just approve them just approve this goddamn concern 0.98

01:06:19.720 The insanity of that. 0.97

01:06:21.040 We've got an insanely large backlog.

01:06:23.280 How to deal with that?

01:06:24.100 What to do with that?

01:06:24.940 Rub a stamp it and then it goes away.

01:06:26.360 The backlog is gone.

01:06:28.000 Administratively, the system has solved its problem.

01:06:30.960 That's literally...

01:06:32.340 It's mad.

01:06:33.020 What an insane thing.

01:06:33.940 Regardless of how dangerous it is.

01:06:35.240 I haven't imagined this, right?

01:06:36.680 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:38.240 Who was the Home Secretary in the Immigration Minister at the time?

01:06:40.840 Well, it was Suella Braverman and Robert Jenrick.

01:06:43.700 Why did you do it?

01:06:44.720 Well, these are names that seem familiar.

01:06:47.120 It's interesting when Nigel comes out

01:06:49.500 and he's got some sort of problem with this. 0.93

01:06:50.880 He'll highlight the problems with immigration.

01:06:53.940 You took them into your party, Nigel. 0.99

01:06:55.740 The same people, the very same individuals. 1.00

01:06:59.300 When Wayne Broadbust is murdered by an Afghan immigrant, 1.00

01:07:02.480 ultimately that's Robert Jenrick's decision. 1.00

01:07:05.160 He made that decision.

01:07:06.560 In December 2025, he was still writing articles

01:07:10.100 on his personal website defending the decision

01:07:12.380 to sneak them in under the cover of a gag order, an injunction, yeah.

01:07:18.300 Just unbelievable.

01:07:19.400 Yeah, he was saying, these will be your new neighbours now. 0.95

01:07:22.780 These are the new Britons. 0.97

01:07:24.160 I think that was his exact words.

01:07:25.340 These are the new Britons. 0.99

01:07:27.020 They're your neighbours now.

01:07:28.560 They're as British as you now. 0.97

01:07:30.080 Future heirs of King Alfred.

01:07:31.980 As Danny Kruger has said.

01:07:33.720 And isn't it a good thing?

01:07:35.200 And if you've got any sort of problem with this, you're the problem.

01:07:39.700 Yeah, I am the problem then.

01:07:41.340 Robert Jenrick.

01:07:42.380 I accept that I'm the problem to you.

01:07:43.680 Robert Jenrick.

01:07:44.200 But if you believe Reformer Nigel,

01:07:46.480 now these same people are the ones that are going to fix it.

01:07:49.360 I just simply don't believe it.

01:07:50.820 I don't know why I would trust the arsonist to put out the fire.

01:07:55.040 Why would I trust it?

01:07:55.960 This man has just set my house on fire,

01:07:57.680 but he comes along with a bucket and pail,

01:07:59.360 says, don't worry, I'll put the fire out.

01:08:00.880 Why would I take your word for it?

01:08:02.880 Well, the Braverman and Jenrick themselves will blame Rishi.

01:08:06.020 Yeah, okay.

01:08:06.600 They'll blame Rishi.

01:08:08.000 Of course Rishi's got a large amount of responsibility,

01:08:10.060 you know a giant amount of responsibility as well yeah you're all culpable right what are you

01:08:14.380 talking about you're all responsible because you were the government oh you were just following

01:08:18.300 orders generic and bravman were you that doesn't stand up in court does it trust us when we have

01:08:22.480 our trials this isn't gonna stand up in court for you either you were just following sunak's orders

01:08:26.740 yeah okay okay it's privately described within the home office as the grant factory i made that joke

01:08:34.640 about how many rubber stamps they must have had on visas i made that joke years ago and it turns

01:08:40.040 out i was correct literally rubber stamp 90 000 must've had a machine that's just like

01:08:46.380 just yeah all day every day yeah um yeah so people within the home office and some other outside

01:08:52.580 uh organizations described it as the grant factory yeah yeah asylum seekers from countries

01:08:58.000 like sudan were allowed to access the streamlined system reducing the backlog uh because the vast

01:09:03.380 majority of their claims were eventually granted in any case due to the conflict in their nation

01:09:07.580 So just think, notice how everything is about maintaining the system, right?

01:09:12.760 It is bad for the system to have this massive backlog because it's costing a lot of money, it's causing a lot of tension.

01:09:19.400 Well, then just approve them and the system will be fine.

01:09:21.700 It doesn't matter if one of them hacks out your eyes in the middle of the street.

01:09:25.940 The system will survive that.

01:09:27.860 That's what all of this is for.

01:09:29.440 Sorry, Jon.

01:09:30.160 Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.

01:09:31.260 That's a great point.

01:09:31.920 I just hate it.

01:09:32.560 But the scheme was dubbed, quote, a dangerous folly quote.

01:09:35.440 and an asylum and amnesty in all but name

01:09:39.180 by Migration Watch UK.

01:09:40.780 Not just Migration Watch UK.

01:09:42.360 Basically everyone on the right was saying the same thing.

01:09:44.960 Which Ken's Payne's tougher border controls.

01:09:46.720 Which is why they introduced it.

01:09:49.360 They didn't want to go through the process

01:09:50.920 of voting on an amnesty.

01:09:54.200 Oh God, can you imagine how that would have gone?

01:09:57.020 Exactly.

01:09:58.160 They didn't want to actually vote for it

01:10:00.700 and become politically culpable.

01:10:03.020 They just allowed it to happen through administration.

01:10:04.720 the net result is the uh even if even if it was one it's a problem the net result is that

01:10:11.160 murderers and rapists and organized criminals flooded our society okay thanks conservatives

01:10:17.160 okay you didn't have to do any of this you could have just left the echar repealed any laws that 0.90

01:10:23.040 were standing in your way and just physically deported them all right it's all fun and games

01:10:28.320 they sweller it's all fun and games yeah laugh it up clown yeah okay i love jenrich's road to

01:10:35.420 damascus so suddenly i'm really anti-immigration guys yeah yeah too late do not believe you i just

01:10:42.700 simply feel that robert jenrich has made the political calculation that he's likely to lose

01:10:46.680 his seat next time if he's wearing a conservative rosette he's much more likely to maintain his seat

01:10:52.520 if he wears a teal one that's it i don't think he cares about the murder remember i don't think he

01:10:58.020 cares at all about the safety of us um remember that he was kicked out by badenock so yeah yeah

01:11:04.780 well no he was kicked out by well it was very close wasn't it it was yeah it was a matter of

01:11:11.600 hours allegedly anyway yeah anyway um okay a little bit more here known as the streamlined

01:11:19.240 asylum process or sap it was uh also open to eritreans syrians afghans libyans and yemenis

01:11:27.400 So just a quick thing. 1.00

01:11:28.640 Literally the worst people on earth.

01:11:30.580 Just a quick thing.

01:11:31.300 I'm pretty sure all of these or most of these are on Rupert Lowe's red list, 0.99

01:11:34.320 as in countries from which we will not be accepting people as immigrants at all,

01:11:38.640 or visitors.

01:11:39.580 There's many countries in the world where those countries are a red line.

01:11:42.500 America's another one, yeah.

01:11:44.420 Trump's red list as well.

01:11:46.580 A Tory saw said the Home Office at the time did not want to do the fast track scheme,

01:11:51.300 but Rishi forced it on them.

01:11:53.700 I can believe it.

01:11:54.380 it was the worst of both worlds

01:11:56.480 because he failed to stop small boats

01:11:58.520 coming across the Channel

01:11:59.460 and at the same time

01:12:00.200 made it easier to win asylum

01:12:01.520 I remember Rishi's slogan for government

01:12:03.560 was something like

01:12:04.080 just stop the boats

01:12:05.020 something like that

01:12:05.640 yeah

01:12:05.840 but I mean no one voted for Rishi Sunak

01:12:07.780 to be the Prime Minister

01:12:08.440 he was just installed

01:12:09.500 by the Bank of England

01:12:10.420 so at the end of the day

01:12:12.140 he's a hand-picked Weff Shill

01:12:14.120 and they committed 0.91

01:12:15.140 a bloodless coup d'etat

01:12:16.280 against Liz Truss 0.89

01:12:16.680 literally Goldman Sachs banker

01:12:17.800 yeah

01:12:18.160 it was a bloodless coup d'etat

01:12:19.800 against Truss that was

01:12:20.800 they'd done right in front of our faces

01:12:22.160 yeah and you know 0.99

01:12:22.840 say what you like about Liz Truss

01:12:24.040 hold on a second she got screwed he was wef um macron was rothschild and mertz in uh in what's

01:12:31.460 it called in germany is blackrock right oh he might be i'm not sure actually if i remember

01:12:36.720 correctly and so democracy uh yeah okay and so this article goes on to mention just some of the

01:12:46.120 numbers that since basically since 2022 or so the numbers of particularly sudanese people have

01:12:52.100 gone up a great deal thing as well i see sweller's objection there and i'm mildly sympathetic but at

01:12:58.620 the end of the day you should have made him remove you you should have just said no i'm not going to

01:13:02.520 do that oh she was still happy to take the the ministerial paycheck for months and months and

01:13:07.680 months and the best part of a year yeah she should have just flat outside i'm not gonna do that she

01:13:11.260 didn't stand on her principles very quickly did she yeah she's still happy to accept the the

01:13:17.560 ministerial chauffeured car yeah it took a quite a while to decide to stand on principle didn't it

01:13:24.740 yeah okay so an interesting article a fair few people have picked up on it Rupert Rupert in

01:13:31.120 fact picked up on exactly let's watch let's watch what Rupert's got to say good morning everybody

01:13:36.020 just preparing for the public accounts committee but we've just discovered some dynamite news on

01:13:44.740 the case of Hadi Al-Adid, the barbarous chap who tried to cut somebody's head off in Belfast on

01:13:53.460 Monday. We've discovered that he came to the country through a controversial fast-track scheme 0.97

01:14:01.400 nicknamed the Grant Factory. It's still operating. It basically obviated the need for face-to-face

01:14:08.540 scrutiny. It was described by Migration Watch in February 23 as a dangerous folly. It basically

01:14:17.720 was described by the government as a streamlined asylum process, which has fast-tracked Eritreans,

01:14:24.960 Syrians, Afghans, Libyans and Yemenis. The two people who were, well, three people, Rishi Sunak

01:14:34.020 was the Prime Minister, who clearly wanted to dispense with this 92,000 case backlog

01:14:41.000 without looking at the consequences.

01:14:44.760 The Home Secretary was Suella Braverman, and the Immigration Minister was Robert Jenrick.

01:14:49.620 So I think this is actually a very disappointing scandal,

01:14:56.100 and we need to hear from all three of those people as to why they thought this was OK.

01:15:01.500 way, and I cannot believe that we've got to the stage where the establishment no longer

01:15:10.880 protects our borders, which is their job, until somebody's actually suffered and been

01:15:17.440 seriously injured, lost one eye and possibly two, and suffered the kind of injuries which

01:15:24.280 are not associated with anything that I recognised when I was brought up in this country.

01:15:30.240 So I think it's time we had a stewards inquiry.

01:15:33.520 We need to know the facts and we need to know that there is going to be urgent action, urgent

01:15:38.640 decisive action from a civil service which to my mind is incapable of delivering anything. 1.00

01:15:47.800 But it's now time that our borders are closed, that this untargeted, unaccountable immigration 0.99

01:15:58.540 of illegal migrants who basically may or may not have our best interests at heart it stops it has 0.95

01:16:05.400 to stop until we can get control of the situation and restore some sort of logic to it so what i 1.00

01:16:12.920 love about hearing rupert speak like that is he sounds anachronistic he doesn't seem to get it

01:16:18.380 right he doesn't understand the system is in favor of the migrants he doesn't understand that the

01:16:23.140 crimes don't matter in every point that kirsten was just like well not even thoughts and prayers

01:16:28.820 just my thoughts are with you that's terrible you are right to be upset but you can't do anything

01:16:33.320 about it and rupert loads oh god we have to do something about this it's the job of the government

01:16:38.180 to do something about this it's wonderful yeah yeah just shut the borders he said there we just

01:16:43.940 need to close the borders until further notice yes yes that would stem the bleeding i mean something

01:16:49.120 i would do in bows britain is to begin with not one more visa stamped and we're closing the

01:16:54.300 borders no one's coming in we don't need any more no one's coming in we're putting a tourniquet on 0.74

01:16:59.120 the bleeding to begin with then we'll look at reversing migration but until until there's the

01:17:05.900 stop the bleeding yeah absolutely and so anyway um a bit more of the uh reaction to uh i mean

01:17:12.660 restore yeah um he's proud of it this was only four years ago like if it was like 15 years ago

01:17:19.020 and he was like 21 or something i'd understand but it's so recent so recent still britain asked

01:17:26.140 asked robert jenrich why did you fast track that monster's visa it's a reasonable question isn't it

01:17:31.740 yep frank wright friend of the channel good old frank um retweeting rupert yeah saying just

01:17:41.660 again mentioning that it's braverman herself yeah that was the architect one of the architects

01:17:47.900 John Wong there

01:17:49.960 John Wong saying

01:17:52.600 Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick

01:17:54.580 Home Secretary Sweller-Brevman

01:17:55.740 Vote reform get beheadings

01:17:57.420 I mean that's a strong statement

01:17:59.960 Yep it is

01:18:04.460 Just a couple more, just the headlines 0.99

01:18:06.540 Abroad the migrant pipeline bus

01:18:09.080 That ferries asylum seekers from Dublin to Pelfast 1.00

01:18:11.360 And into Britain by the back door

01:18:13.060 And it's revealed Sudanese knife attacker

01:18:15.260 Took the same route

01:18:16.100 It's just an article talking about how... 1.00

01:18:17.100 So they're dumping their illegals on us

01:18:18.520 because there's a porous border with Northern Ireland. 0.81

01:18:21.060 How thousands, a fair few thousands 0.98

01:18:23.760 of completely unvetted people 0.76

01:18:26.980 from wherever in the world,

01:18:28.620 they don't even have to get a...

01:18:30.000 It's just like France.

01:18:31.280 It's just like France. 0.89

01:18:31.960 They just send them across the channel. 0.64

01:18:33.220 They would send you on the bus.

01:18:34.480 If you just get to the Republic of Ireland,

01:18:36.900 that's good enough

01:18:37.620 because there's nothing stopping you

01:18:39.680 to go to Northern Ireland.

01:18:40.160 From France to Republic of Ireland.

01:18:42.060 And the Republic of Ireland does do checks

01:18:44.440 on its side of the border.

01:18:46.100 or when you board an aircraft on their side,

01:18:49.160 they don't do checks on the other side.

01:18:50.620 The British don't do checks. 0.73

01:18:51.940 So that's it.

01:18:52.640 You can just sort of walk into Britain in that way

01:18:55.380 under the existing arrangement that came out

01:18:59.540 under the Windsor framework.

01:19:01.760 And so it's okay.

01:19:04.800 In this article, it says, 0.83

01:19:05.620 UK returned single migrant, one migrant to Ireland

01:19:08.580 after they crossed border amid warnings

01:19:10.300 human rights are being put before national security

01:19:12.500 following Belfast.

01:19:14.080 Is it a single migrant that came from France

01:19:15.860 that we returned that came back again 0.90

01:19:17.300 with the one-in-one-out scheme?

01:19:19.780 Is it that same guy?

01:19:21.200 I'm joking, are they?

01:19:22.240 I know, I know.

01:19:23.680 Kate Hoey, oh, the great Kate Hoey has chimed in.

01:19:26.620 Of course it's wrong to start a riot, 0.95

01:19:28.540 but the political class ignored justified fears

01:19:31.460 over massive immigration at their peril.

01:19:33.780 It's not even fears. 0.87

01:19:34.980 We're way past fears.

01:19:36.080 It was fears in 1963

01:19:37.540 when Enoch Powell was explaining,

01:19:39.760 look, I think this is going to go badly.

01:19:41.460 We're way past fears.

01:19:42.620 We're literally decades into the rapes and murders

01:19:45.360 and massacres at this point these are not fears we don't want this happening to us and we want it to 0.62

01:19:50.360 end i'm not interested in what kate hoey's got to say perfect to be perfect why do i know the

01:19:54.940 name kate hoey well she's been in government oh right okay i knew i knew the name i just

01:19:59.500 okay um oh there you go you want this one yeah and this even victoria derbyshire is like yeah okay

01:20:07.360 there is a link between nationality and criminality and it turns out that foreign nationals 0.87

01:20:12.800 commit crimes at a disproportionate rate. 1.00

01:20:14.920 In good news, in five years' time,

01:20:16.420 they're going to understand per capita.

01:20:17.960 Well, she has confessed it.

01:20:20.600 Even Victoria Derbyshire.

01:20:21.800 I guess we don't necessarily

01:20:22.500 need to actually hear her.

01:20:24.560 Victoria Derbyshire, 0.91

01:20:26.920 finally her paymasters have, I guess,

01:20:28.900 allowed her to recognise the reality

01:20:32.640 that per capita crime...

01:20:33.940 It's the problem that's become so prominent.

01:20:36.960 It's no longer feasible to deny it.

01:20:39.060 Or the calculation from the people

01:20:41.340 that run the uni party and also tell the bbc what the narratives are going to be because the bbc has

01:20:47.900 only ever been a mouthpiece for the establishment yeah um i guess they've made the calculation we

01:20:53.340 need to open the release valve a tiny bit more let victoria derbyshire recognize that well just open

01:21:01.500 there's the pressure cooker is about to blow up again a little bit more pressure out of it

01:21:06.380 sorry we've gone from zero noticing allowed to a little bit of noticing is allowed but also it's

01:21:12.820 it's one of those things where you this is why they want x band right because she would never

01:21:17.480 have made this concession were twitter not a free platform under elon musk right she would never

01:21:22.840 have made this concession you play we don't really need to hear that's what she says and

01:21:27.320 one last thing is um i have a great tweet here i think from rupert lowe a restored britain

01:21:33.960 government will aim to prosecute officials and politicians who knowingly placed dangerous third

01:21:39.300 world savages in our communities there's a shot across the bow robert jenry can swell a braverman

01:21:44.560 and rishi sunak hopefully rishi sunak will be out of the country hopefully he'll be in california

01:21:49.580 or india or something yeah he'd have gotten another job with yeah he will just bounce

01:21:53.440 but isn't he already on advisor to goldman again probably we need to do a special an essay a special

01:21:58.460 rendition from wherever he is in the world to be back he'll be in california probably but um

01:22:02.980 this will apply retrospectively oof 32 million views on this 32 million views 67 000 likes there's

01:22:11.980 a great number of people who uh will go to prison for what has been inflicted on our communities

01:22:17.360 that's a strong statement and i love it yeah again two million views rupert lowe just seeming like an

01:22:22.940 anachronism really rupert the government isn't for us is it we can't possibly have a government for

01:22:28.620 us can we and that's why

01:22:30.760 Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain are gaining so much

01:22:32.720 ground like there have been polls coming out of Makerfield where it's

01:22:34.760 just Restore Britain going up and up and

01:22:36.660 up and it's because and everyone

01:22:38.620 can feel it Rupert Lowe is the only politician

01:22:40.700 who feels like he's on our side

01:22:42.320 that's what it comes down to even

01:22:44.680 Farage just the used car salesman

01:22:46.580 everyone can tell he's a grift

01:22:48.580 everyone can tell and the second they're exposed

01:22:50.720 to Rupert Lowe's attitude over Farage is not like

01:22:52.640 oh yeah I mean that was the Labour report

01:22:54.780 earlier it's like well people are kind of

01:22:56.100 leaning towards Rupert Lowe more it's like

01:22:58.480 Well, what do you expect?

01:23:00.240 Farage would never say this because he would turn and go,

01:23:02.520 sorry, Jemric, Braverman, is he right?

01:23:05.180 And they'd be like, well, yeah, of course we were the guys in government.

01:23:07.280 It was pretty much Matt Puppet Braverman.

01:23:08.480 It's like, why do I have you sitting next to me?

01:23:10.520 You know what I mean?

01:23:10.960 Like, what's Farage's angle here?

01:23:13.020 Where can he go? 1.00

01:23:14.360 I mean, the reform tards will have you believe 1.00

01:23:17.280 that there's no difference in policy between Rupert and Nigel. 0.96

01:23:20.740 Are you going to be prosecuting your own MPs, Nigel?

01:23:22.760 There is.

01:23:23.140 I haven't seen Nigel or Zia saying anything remotely along these lines.

01:23:27.080 Why? Because they're uniparty and they're political cowards. 0.98

01:23:30.160 Because they're the people who you've been prosecuting.

01:23:32.160 They are, right, yeah, they'll be prosecuting their own MPs.

01:23:35.260 Pause and think about the details of a prosecution here.

01:23:38.440 What is going to end up being proven is pretty much every truth that destroys liberal narratives

01:23:45.500 about per capita crime rates, about the differences in culture, about the nature of Islam. 0.89

01:23:51.720 The betrayal of the government, the laziness of the system, the rubber stamping, 1.00

01:23:56.180 all of it's going to be proven.

01:23:57.880 So all of these truths about culture and religion

01:24:00.580 and human nature and genetics

01:24:03.280 are going to end up being used in evidence

01:24:06.620 in a trial of this sort.

01:24:09.440 And therefore, I would say

01:24:11.580 that the Nuremberg immigration trials,

01:24:15.520 these transcripts are going to be part

01:24:17.620 of school and university curriculums if they happen.

01:24:21.240 Because they will be used to educate the public

01:24:23.800 about human nature and how to never make these kinds of mistakes ever again and in a hundred

01:24:29.360 years time people won't believe the things we allowed they won't believe it but there was no 0.98

01:24:34.340 way london was three yeah three quarters two thirds immigrant right there's no way birmingham

01:24:40.680 was 55 percent immigrant there was no way leicester was 66 percent immigrant was their granddad 0.95

01:24:46.520 and like yeah you won't understand son you won't understand that when an immigrant murdered someone

01:24:51.520 in the street the government would come out and condemn the families of the people who were

01:24:55.360 murdered because they were upset you'll never believe it son but no one's ever heard of rupert

01:25:01.180 lowe or reform though restore sorry restore i say i do that far too often i say reform when i'm in

01:25:06.920 restore no one's ever heard of restore or rupert lowe 32 million views yeah okay all right there

01:25:12.240 you go that's the piece we'll uh we'll we'll skip the video comments for today folks just for time

01:25:16.760 purposes sorry um i knew this was going to be an intense podcast and i knew we'd have a lot to say

01:25:21.480 I didn't realize quite how much.

01:25:23.040 So I'll go through some of the soup chats that we've missed.

01:25:25.260 Again, apologies. 0.99

01:25:29.040 Oh, fuck says, we're all out of cheeks to turn. 0.99

01:25:31.880 It's like, yeah, pretty much. 1.00

01:25:32.760 On the bright side, One Nation leader, Pauline Hanson,

01:25:35.360 got her rang by an abo telling her to go back to England.

01:25:38.780 She told the abo to give us back all our stuff like hospitals first. 0.90

01:25:43.920 My favorite are the white nationalist aborigines. 1.00

01:25:46.440 I love that woman. 0.96

01:25:47.560 It's like, white, Australia now. 1.00

01:25:49.420 The aborigines. 1.00

01:25:50.240 I don't know that one. 1.00

01:25:50.860 have you not seen it it's an amazing video of this aboriginal woman who's basically demanding 1.00

01:25:54.720 an end to non-white immigration she's like no no non-white immigrants coming to australia white 0.93

01:25:59.340 australia now it's so great so funny because these based yeah exactly she knows how the system works 0.98

01:26:06.940 she's not stupid she understands that these people are coming to to just sponge off the system and

01:26:12.780 it's only the white british people who actually work and pay the taxes so you know why would i 0.89

01:26:17.340 want to give up you know a good thing is what she's saying and it's a great point question to 0.51

01:26:21.980 australian followers do greek australian followers also cheat on their taxes like they do in greece

01:26:26.580 and that's something that is that is something i'd love to know more about yeah um anyway let's

01:26:32.560 go let's hear some uh comments from the website uh just because there are just loads obviously

01:26:37.360 um dirty belt says these people suffer from a terminal belief that the effect comes before the

01:26:42.060 cause to them people told to fear violent rapists rather than violent rapists being something to

01:26:46.820 fear beyond a certain point you can't help these people see reason which begs the question why can

01:26:51.540 such mad people be permitted to vote how how are they in power everywhere they and i know why it's

01:26:57.580 because people vote for red or blue that's what it is if you vote regardless of what the actual

01:27:03.060 people are then they can parachute in a rishi sunak into a safe seat or they can parachute in

01:27:08.140 akir starmer and what they're trying to do now with an andy um burnham tries to parachute them

01:27:12.820 into a safe seat to maintain the system yeah we've got to end this right either people can't

01:27:17.000 be parachuted in or you don't just you don't have a sort of like oh i always vote for x right

01:27:22.580 personally i'd like to end the you know not parachuting in or something but anyway um

01:27:27.100 the bonsall bomber says uh but the news has been telling me that the riots were caused by a video

01:27:31.860 being shared online well i mean in in a sort of yes and no proximal way yes but they're not the

01:27:38.840 that's not the reason people are rioting he knows that he's being sarcastic i know i know i know

01:27:44.040 michael says uh starmer forgets that where people is pushed too far the backlash becomes far worse

01:27:49.960 than taking the appropriate action ahead of time unless of course that's the point unless they

01:27:54.320 don't care unless they just think they can keep you in the box which i think they do

01:27:58.200 if they blame musk would this not come under slander um uh possibly um i mean to be honest

01:28:05.480 Elon Musk is as litigious as anyone

01:28:07.300 So he probably could

01:28:09.780 File a lawsuit

01:28:12.640 Saying how dare you suggest

01:28:14.120 I've been inciting riots

01:28:15.160 Yeah but in British courts today

01:28:16.560 Yeah they'll probably just get thrown out

01:28:19.020 Just because he is Elon Musk

01:28:20.320 Kevin says why in this day and age 0.83

01:28:22.800 Is it only Christians who are not allowed to hate 1.00

01:28:24.780 Yeah I know exactly 1.00

01:28:25.540 Why do we never hear queer Stalin saying 1.00

01:28:28.080 Sikhs or Muslims shouldn't hate 1.00

01:28:29.600 Oh because theirs is justified

01:28:30.940 Which is one of the things

01:28:32.140 He just thought he was doing the best for his cause

01:28:34.700 and it's like that's awful that is awful that's really terrible i'm really sorry but i hate that

01:28:39.980 um but but that's the point we are the stateless people we are the undiscovered frontier that is

01:28:46.500 being populated by actual citizens again we're under the heel of a colonial government at the

01:28:51.660 moment uh jimbo says uh we will see how important the feelings of the family and victim are when

01:28:56.580 the next one refuses to be nudged and chooses to look back in anger well you see it with rihanna

01:29:00.340 white um that the her mother um starmer won't meet with her no mama doesn't care yeah they're

01:29:08.740 not going to support the starmer they've all of the party leaders i believe have refused to meet

01:29:12.460 with her apart from rupert look you don't get an audience yeah i think we should invite her on

01:29:16.840 i'm totally up for it um baronville warhawk says politicians will never change they double down 0.98

01:29:23.780 they'll crack harder in the natives and bring in more even more third worlders they have no choice 0.99

01:29:28.480 they don't know how to do anything else it's not even that they don't know how that morally they 1.00

01:29:32.580 are committed to this course of action and it's like very much sort of it's not even sunk cost

01:29:38.220 it's that they don't believe that the moral alternative is a moral alternative they believe

01:29:43.220 that the moral alternative is evil and barbarism they think i mean this is why ian dale was so

01:29:47.440 well you want to deport millions of people who the government has allowed hits against your will

01:29:51.660 yes obviously duh why would i not want this you can't do that it's terrible but genuinely they

01:29:57.560 all think that they genuinely all think that um and that's a random name says all these people in 0.81

01:30:03.760 the government are such effing losers they're no statesmen anymore apart from rupa obviously 1.00

01:30:08.760 again we'll see he's not a career politician the rest are all just puppets who prostitute 0.99

01:30:13.060 themselves to the highest bidders um yeah i think that's basically true uh and so unfortunately this

01:30:19.780 is the um place we are uh the ghost of carl's aunt says correction for carl the aberfan disaster in

01:30:26.900 else was actually entirely predictable okay fair enough i didn't i was going to correct you on that

01:30:30.680 but i thought there's no point the point you were making i i didn't know i knew the point you were

01:30:35.080 making i only know the consequence of that which i assumed was no one knew it would happen that day

01:30:40.020 let's say that at least i i apologize i didn't know i wasn't it was clear what point you were

01:30:44.800 making sure yeah i appreciate that um but uh anyway thank you all for joining us folks um

01:30:50.000 Sorry that this has been such a severe podcast,

01:30:53.660 but we think this is what's happening

01:30:56.500 and we have to be honest about these things.

01:30:59.800 So anyway, I hope you have a good rest of the day

01:31:02.120 and we will see you tomorrow.

01:31:20.000 Thank you.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 11, 2026

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