The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1439
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Summary
The lotus eaters are joined by Nick and Conor to discuss Keir Starmer's dramatic fall from grace, the fallout from the ousting of John Healy, and whether or not the police lied to the public about what happened in the axe scandal.
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hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters it is episode 1439 and today i'm sandwiched
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between two guests conor and nick legends i was gonna say are we really guests considering we're
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now on so frequently yeah guestish right wonderful guesty um today we're going to be discussing um
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how starmer has very unfortunately lost his defense minister um more crash out about restore
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because it's coming in torrents uh and how axe girl was vindicated she was right and the police
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lied uh and before we move on to that i'd just like to draw your attention to
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um lads hour three o'clock so um i i had an idea right i've i've come up with a game it's called
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g and g um gender and grievance and i'm going to take you on a fantasy kingdom crusade to
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fix the kingdom of uh common will i think it is with your uh after you've picked your gender and
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your grievance so that should be good tune in at three o'clock for that and i think we can hand
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over to nick all right good to be back um so keir starmer we know that the two things that can
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survive a nuclear apocalypse are cockroaches and keir starmer so he is hanging on for now
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i'm amazed by the time this goes out maybe he'll have gone but he's in serious serious trouble
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because, as you say, his defence minister, John Healy, resigned.
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And if you want to know how bad it is for Starmer,
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Conor was kind enough to send this to me this morning from Andrew Marr.
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We applaud them, you know, whether they are base jumpers
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We don't quite know when gravity is going to win this time.
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Every resignation, every collapse is different.
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It was different, of course, from Rishi Suda.
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But elections aside, these things tend to come in stages.
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And my phone is full of messages from Labour MPs saying the same thing,
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I can tell you, however, I've been told that Peter Kyle went to see the Prime Minister
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to get an assurance that in the event of a leadership contest involving Keir Starmer,
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he would be able to support somebody else without losing his job.
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Why do people who actually work on the TV cannot broadcast anything from home
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without showing us their nasal passage the entire time.
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It's a bit like Gordon Brown when he was looking down at the laptop
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and then thought that by closing the laptop, you'd end the call.
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So just at the end of the thing, he's like, thank you.
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I don't know why, at a certain age, they can only position the camera on their knees or whatever.
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Do you remember Andrew Marr went on Question Time in the media aftermath of the 2024 election
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and was saying, the adults are back in the room.
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We can look forward to years of peace, prosperity, and stability.
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Suddenly, the man who thought Greta Thunberg was some sort of prophet
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turns out he didn't have great judgment after all.
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Yeah, I tweeted about that. Andrew Neill retweeted it.
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Should have played that, but yes, now eating humble pie.
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So what happened? John Healy resigned. Pretty big deal.
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He was a Labour loyalist type of guy, Defence Secretary,
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i mean i will just say as a preface as well you know some people might think well we don't want
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to spend all our money on the fence you might be somewhat isolationist or something but in the
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context where and the labor backbenchers want to spend all on welfare in another context that could
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be honorable you might but in the context where you spent 331 billion on welfare in 2025 and
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income tax was no so you spent 333 billion and income tax was only 231 billion you go this is
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insane well more to the point in the context of when they are desperately trying to start third
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world third world war with russia yes i mean i'd rather they didn't do that but if you are going
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to start a war with russia i'd quite like to have an army before that's it people obviously there's
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a lot of talk about you wouldn't fight for the regime does anyone want to fight for a regime
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that hates us but separate from that yes we do still probably need a defense and we've had a
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great navy and special forces so it's a shame for them to just decline and we're in a situation
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where the european elite generally the sort of neoliberal elite has accepted with cajoling from
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Trump that they need to get defence spending up. But then it's like, are you actually going to do
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it? And that's what this is all about. So we'll look at all that. And also Dominic Cummings has
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got some interesting inside stuff on it. But just to look at the letter, it's too long to go into
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all of it. I'll give you some of the key bits. He says, since then, you've been unable, meaning
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Starmer, and the Treasury has been unwilling to commit the resources that the nation needs to
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defend the country at this time of rising threats. He also says, I'm being forced to make decisions
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that would reduce the readiness of our forces and increase the risk to personnel on operations and
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could make the country less safe you might say lol when people are getting uh attempted beheaded
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in the streets but you know yeah the invasions already happened i mean it does remind me as well
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um when you're talking about the the benefits bill that pat mfadham was was talking to
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jeffrey epstein's top guy um pete mandelson saying every single meeting in this labor government is
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just me being asked who can we tax to foot the benefits bill next so it doesn't shock me that
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that healy who is a longtime labor loyalist as you said he had cabinet and shadow cabinet positions
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the blair brown um etc that he thinks for the good of his own career possibly but maybe for
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the good of the party that he needs to step away and ensure that um the position isn't discredited
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i'm not i'm not sure that it is necessarily for his career because because he is he's a stalwart
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he is he's just a given if you're forming a labor government you put him in yeah a lot of people
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have said it's it's principled i mean you could say it's convenient because burnham's going to
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come in he's getting it done now he can come back in on the burn or he can even run himself which
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some speculate. But I think it basically comes down to his job's been made impossible, as we'll
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see. I mean, look at this summary from Laura Koonsberg. So understand Healy was only given
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full offer on defence cash, $13.5 billion on Monday, even though number 10 wanted to announce
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it today. Chief said only $10 billion was real cash. So he initially was promised something like
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$18 billion, and $18 billion was already kind of the lower end. And then even that wasn't,
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it was $13.5 billion. And even in real terms, it's $10 billion. No date in PM planned to hit
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3% NATO spending target, Healy could not accept breaking that vow made to allies in Parliament.
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So it does seem to have been a principled thing, Andrew Neil, perhaps the grimmest part of John
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Healy's brutal resignation letter is the defence spending projected to be 2.6% GDP by 2027 will
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only reach 2.68% in 2030, a pathetic 0.08% increase over three years after all that Starmer rhetoric
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about the dangerous times we live in. So people are pointing out, people keep saying 0.8 and then
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correct himself none of 0.08 so it's this tiny increase he's getting in reality so uh this
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starmer then comes out and says my first duty is to keep the british people safe and i'll always do
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what is necessary to protect our national security you've literally just done the opposite you've
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literally fallen short of what is necessary to protect our national security and so everyone's
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resigned so it couldn't be more nonsense from starmer um carl's friend kate had an interesting
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uh tweet so much of john healy's resignation letter is damning but lines that should really
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worry those inside government trying to make changes and those outside hoping for them that
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despite a war in Ukraine a war in Iran cyber threat unpredictable allies the impact of energy
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and resource insecurity on UK this prime minister made promises he knew he could not keep and shut
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his own well-respected defense secretary out of the process to agree funding for the defense
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investment plan to try and push through something inadequate and save his own political blushes
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in the same week he welcomed Macron Mertz and Zelensky to Downing Street to stand in front of
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flags and promise unwavering commitment knowing the money to pay for it didn't exist he's
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also trying to make um subsidize his record unpopular poll numbers by saying well i'm very
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i'm very popular on the world stage of course as davos man of course he's popular with the
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international globalist class but the price of admission for the international globalist class
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is willing to fight its wars and so if we don't have the capacity to put our chips on the table
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then he's also going to lose popularity among those yes that's true although we've gone before
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that anyway although i suppose he could try and get some future career internationally kemi it's
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probably not worth watching the whole thing actually but she had a statement where she
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just basically said welfare welfare welfare a simple political message like labor want to spend
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on welfare which everyone knows is bloated instead of defense and that's the message they can do and
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it's probably a smart one well they couldn't talk about immigration could they no good point what
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did farage have to say let's have a look he wanted three percent to be spent on defense by 2030
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something by the way that we campaigned for in the last manifesto it makes sense to get to that
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target by then. The Prime Minister didn't match it by half, and so John Healy is gone.
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Where does this leave Sir Keir Starmer? Where does it leave the Labour government, Mr Farage?
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Keir Starmer's premiership is over. It's only a matter of time. Already in the corridors of
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Westminster, the jockeying position is going on. Whether Burnham wins next week or not,
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there will be a challenge over the course of this summer to Starmer's leadership. It's over.
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you said he's uh gonna survive a nuclear winter and there's many jokes about keir starmer being
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the terminator i think at this point starmer just wants to be sarah collars skeleton hanging onto
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the fence he's gonna be the only thing left yes true he can't last very long i mean i've always
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thought burnham will win make a deal we'll talk a bit later but uh it's gonna be burnham isn't it
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but tim shipman summarizes proof of three things john healy is not the shrinking violet someone
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the military feared the government is in no way taking the current threats to the defense and
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to the realm of the realm seriously star mcgovern is a sinking ship which can't get out of the docks
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on key issues fair um this is the treasury lashing out in defense they say let's be clear on what
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john is asking for cuts to schools and hospitals i mean you could kind of argue it's got to come
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from somewhere the money unless you borrow yeah well we could we could immediately cut the 15
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billion on universal credit given to foreigners that would be nice i start one uh nine billion
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to net zero was a figure i saw cited a lot of nonsense could be cut and um yes so is it possible
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it's simpler than that they just don't want to give a whole bunch of working class patriots guns
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and i'm serious maybe because arab countries do this that they run a deliberately small military
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and undersized military because it's a threat to a threat of a coup i don't think so and we'll get
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into why later because they're giving them they're prepared to give us ajax tanks that don't work but
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not drones that would work so i think it's more a competency issue probably and genial says this
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is an outrageous disgraceful smear on john healy and although you are right of course they don't
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even allow us pepper spray and things like that and that's obviously true as well um there are a
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ton of ways to finance defense starting with net zero without taking a penny from schools or
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hospitals we should be ashamed of herself for allowing this nonsense she's really desperate
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true jenrik the government has all the money in the world for ed milliband's mad plans foreign aid
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and benefits for foreigners but nothing for our armed forces good on john healy shame on them
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well jenrik's jenrik's quite upset because i mean if we don't have the capacity to invade
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foreign nations how on earth will he import its occupants it's right well when it comes to the
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uk budget it's pensions welfare nhs and debt repayment everything else is a rounding error
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so so just tighten tighten on one of those and you're fine yeah and welfare is an obvious one
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given that we're giving bmws out for adhd have you considered how upset simon and linda will be
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well there is that so then the other massive thing that happened or pretty massive not quite as big
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but pretty big is that al khan's the minister for the armed forces also resigned in an even more
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scathing letter and he is of course well respected former royal marine i'll give you some of the
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highlights from the letter the character of conflict is changing faster than our procurement
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can keep up with we're still purchasing capability suitable for the last war while our adversaries
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arm for the next one platforms that cost billions can be defeated by systems that cost thousands he
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also says we're asking our armed forces to operate in a more dangerous world on a budget written for
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a calmer one this was a key part for me the same instinct that serious problems can be managed
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rather than faced runs through the northern island legacy bill i've worked to fix the bill from the
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inside but it remains unfit for purpose it risks failing the very veterans it claims to protect
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men and women i serve with those i buried friends alongside people who did their duty under
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conditions most individuals in westminster will never have to imagine so karns was criticized
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for not standing up for veterans who starmer and hermer want to prosecute with this northern
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island legacy bill and he was criticized pretty harshly by other veterans who said he's abandoning
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his men on the field and he didn't vote in it and obviously he was in there if you believe this he
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was there sort of trying to work with it and now he's just come out and said uh i can't do anything
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with this so it's an accumulation of things it's a defense spending but it's also you want to screw
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over veterans was it you who did that brilliant tweet on on d-day when the when kia starmer was
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celebrating the d-day veterans and you replied i bet you're gutted that they're too old to prosecute
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yes something like that yes i should have included that one i think like 30 odd thousand likes that
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one that was believe it yeah yeah because yeah it's just starmer's hypocrisy it's like oh the
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out of data you hate our military you're trying to literally prosecute people now it's like
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it's incredible hermer is pure evil as well um so khan's taking a principal stance on that
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he says we ask soldiers to fight for this country in return we owe them the kit to do the job and
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the loyalty to stand by them when it's done we're failing on both public confidence he goes on it's
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what's quite interesting he goes beyond that into a kind of general riff that sounds like something
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we could almost say public confidence in our institutions is weakening the politics increasingly
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looks performative while everyday life gets harder. The machinery of government itself has
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been left to decay. Decisions that should take days take months. And he goes on and on. A strong
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country is not simply one with capable armed forces. It's one where working people feel
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economically secure. Public services function. Energy is resilient. Dig it, Ed Miliband. Communities
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are stable and young people can see a future worth working towards. So the whole letter could
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be written by reform, frankly. And he's the one person, Al Kahn, who Dominic Cummings said would
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be a possibly decent Labour leader he said this quite a while ago and he was sort of tipped as an
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outside bet and I did a thing on that I think. Well him and Healy are the best Labour we've got
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I mean they're all a bit mad because they're Labour but those two are still the best they've
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got. Yeah yeah and what's and then maybe Cairns now will sort of make a run maybe what'll happen
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is Burnham will get in if he loses then the Cairns and the Healy's can become a thing but
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Healy's still seen as being on the soft left which is the Burnham side but he's obviously not
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quite as mental as some of them as you say this is interesting because it echoes a lot of things
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oh and by the way the pps from the ministry events left as well pamela nash so i'm important to yeah
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yeah yeah by the way healy was meant to be in swindon today uh doing an event with starmer
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which obviously now what kind of event not happening it's something to do with military
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the defense at the old honda factory i can't remember exactly what it was the drones
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yeah the drones wait labor were coming to swindon to work on personnel killing drones
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Oh, well, basically a former SAS guy was incredibly scathing as well.
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He was incredibly scathing about everything Al-Khan said, essentially.
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That tweet was going to be, which is Richard Williams,
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and he was just there it is it's kind of gone into a weird space um al khan's had a distinguished
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military career it's damning that ben starmer hermer reeves and others would not listen to
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him on lawfare the northern island bill on defense transformation or on financial resources and all
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credit to this uh world marines veteran for stepping into the breach and his resignation
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on principle and he talks about what how this is a political bomb under the uk defense
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highlighting how screwed up it all really is and for more on that here we go dominic cummings so
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from this, because you always have to decipher Dominic
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Cummings, they're always long, no paragraph breaks
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we're doing everything wrong with defence, we've got these
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they call them now, which will cause sickness and
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hearing problems for soldiers because of the way they vibrate
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for purpose, the government was massively out of
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date on the importance of drones as proved by the Ukraine-Russia war. They were using an old
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report from 2010, he says in here, so they had no idea what was going on with drones and how out of
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date they all were. So that was another thing. He got them to admit in the secret review all this,
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but that was destroyed as soon as he left. Of course, this is only Cummings take. If you believe
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Cummings, everything he did was just destroyed seconds after he left the building. After I left
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number 10 documents were shredded in 24 hours so he says he got this secret review on defense that
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basically admitted all this it admitted we're out of date we're not focusing on drones our
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nuclear is a mess we don't know what we're doing procurement's a mess and he said people admitted
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that secretly after he left it was shredded and none of the people involved in it can be held to
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account because they just say well i can't be questioned because of national security there
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might be something to that as well because when cummings was interviewed by chris williamson a few
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years ago he did explain how downing street had no drone defense technology over its gardens or
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its buildings until he warned them about the threat so i can i can believe it yeah i can believe
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it and there's more evidence later but he says um they admitted this in the secret review he says
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this is a regime complete problem he calls it which means it requires total regime change because
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it's so many departments are involved in so much faulty thinking but mps are protecting themselves
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by citing national security another one he explains and this is just more detail really
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but it has an interesting line in this that he says, everybody involved is part lying and part
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telling the truth. So it's kind of too much to go into, but basically all the departments are at war
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with each other. The Treasury is blaming the Ministry of Defence. Ministry of Defence is
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blaming the Treasury. The Cabinet Office is also involved. So essentially everyone's blaming each
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other. The thinking is outmoded and nothing can get done, which is another thing that Al Khan said
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this letter that things that should take months take years and so this is that's basically the
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takeaway from that um i thought i had a translated that one but i haven't in my notes you've got to
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translate it's like a badly formatted um ai but but he's been he was doing this before ai existed
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so so it is him yes yeah this and i said this is another way just i haven't summarized it well
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enough in my notes but that's basically the takeaway is that it's a complete bleep storm
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and everyone's blaming each other and the old ways are continuing you can't you can't keep doing that
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because we've got we've got to have real change and the only sort of positive is that now this
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has blown up if burnham gets in or whoever gets in they almost have to tackle it because people
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are resigning and saying the military budget isn't there the procurement procurement's out
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of date everything's out of date we're a laughing stock we've got to fix this but also if you do
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anything to welfare then your whole backbench resigns that's the thing because they're idiots
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for us. He said, I remember this exercise from when I was in government in 2020. Dominic is right
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on all this, the unreal numbers, the crazy procurement process, but also the fact that
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every department has reasonable criticisms of every other. This is just the way British
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government works nowadays, and it's why so little actually gets done. I doubt a Burnham government
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will really tackle this either, of course, but it's certainly true they'll be hard to carry on
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as normal now. What a tragedy that Europe's premier military power has reduced to this state,
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a situation which both mainstream parties bear responsibility there you go uh and uh starmer
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replied uh we can't fund free breakfast clubs and bullets i choose middle class children's toast i'm
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sorry john has joined the far right but he'll be feeling the full force of the law i do love
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burn side side always always is a great tweet um dan javis has now taken it in this impossible job
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people was like well who will take this in this this is a poison chalice harry cole said you'd
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have to be an absolute weasel take and i'll do it but people say you know he's got a decent track
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record but he now has to come in and do something impossible which is say right you've not given me
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the budget he's got to make he's got to be a magician and produce a rabbit out of hat this
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but he is symptomatic of labor and how everyone's just unremarkable utterly unimpressive and so when
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people said oh who will possibly do this job well actually anyone will do any job because they're
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only there to be in parliament it doesn't matter what their portfolio is it doesn't matter that
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the they're the they're the dodo lady by government they're on the brink of extinction
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they're just going to take the opportunity it's given to them because they're not really fit for
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doing you get another 140 grand a year for being a cabinet minister so yeah at least charvis has
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some sort of impressive background whereas people like darren jones you've got these ones who just
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line up to just do like say the starmer drone do the sort of starmer dirty work anyway that was
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that um starmer hangs on for now somehow but you never know by the time this goes out he could be
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gone if he has any shame which he doesn't anyway so it's all falling apart that is my bit i should
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have done axe girl but you're doing it later yes well you can chip in on that one um oh no comments
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ah yes it is excellent so the hit pieces against restore britain keep coming the crash out is
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protracted and it's because i think reformer feeling hot breath on the back of their neck
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uh and rupert lowe laughing it's sort of you can hear the song the halls and the mountain king
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slowly building behind them and i just thought i'd cover the latest round of them and they begin
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this this crash out from the last two days begins with a secret labor poll published in the eye so
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there was a poll that the labor conducted it was a constituency poll for makerfield and they show
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that restore is on about 13 percent reform is on 24 percent and burnham is on 35 percent now there
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are conflicting accounts of course from our lads down in makerfield reminder by the way that this
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weekend is the last time that yes have us so if you are so inclined you're welcome to go down there
00:23:16.200
i mean to make the point lily if you want your country back you have to do the work
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so do the work yes and it seems that that work is um paying off with restore because we're seeing
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that the gap between the early canvassing projections
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that Rupert put out, which was 24% in favour of Restore,
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begin to close with other parties' internal canvassing results,
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they asked some conservative and reform sources to respond.
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And there's a conservative member of the Shadow Cabinet
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from an almost exclusively online campaign well they're showing up in person so that's
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immediately a daft thing to say isn't it considering there's barely any conservative
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canvases out there and you're going to lose your deposit and he says getting restored supporters
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to actually cast their ballot would be a bigger ask this is the angry white working class whether
00:24:12.380
they will actually vote is another question i wonder mr tory mp what made the white working
00:24:16.300
class so angry is it possibly they lent their vote to you in 2019 and you utterly betrayed
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them by swamping their towns and cities with dodgy vape shops africans and indians yeah might
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might well be that but the most and bear in mind tories you won the red wall right and and you
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pissed it away immediately and you won't again the most interesting quotes come uh from not just not
00:24:38.460
just this the uh this tory mp saying that um restore are gaining people because it's the long
00:24:45.080
marchers the purists who are most upset with farage it's anger at letting all those tories
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into reform but it's bigger than that it's all the compromises he's had to make so people yeah
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they did notice when faraj said i'm not going to do mass deportations we can't alienate islam
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here's nadim zahawi we decided to stand him down as our foreign affairs spokesperson even though
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that was our plan he's saying that people are hemorrhaging away from reform because they have
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not they don't have a vote of confidence in faraj's leadership even if the policies start to
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converge especially if they start to converge the election becomes a referendum on who do you trust
00:25:13.340
to deliver those policies that everyone is promising and increasingly faraj doesn't have
00:25:17.120
people's vote of confidence but the most interesting quotes in here were from reform
00:25:22.260
mps they said among reform parliamentarians there are mixed reviews on whether or not restore is
00:25:28.320
anything but a flash in the pan uh one mp dismissed the idea that restore could actually poll more
00:25:33.900
than single figures next thursday their vote is really soft it'll be nowhere near that on the day
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i doubt they'll get over two percent i think that's probably tice all right characteristic
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arrogance but someone else said and this is again a second reform mp something important
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is happening which is that voters are looking for seriousness and authenticity and they actually
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see in rupert what they don't see in nigel a reform mp is saying that which one's about to
00:25:56.380
lose the whip take bets they say they like nigel's energy and optimism and sort of punk style
00:26:00.980
suppose if you enjoy butlins rupert is more to the right more of a rabble rouser the danger to
00:26:05.580
us is he's more of a plausible version of reform because he's new and they say rupert isn't a good
00:26:10.460
communicator he's not a good speaker he's not quick like nigel some people might say you know
00:26:13.800
slick a bit like a used car salesman but they say my anxiety is people think nigel is old news by
00:26:19.680
the virtue of being around for years where they think they've discovered some new brand it sounds
00:26:24.580
like generic if well i i wonder if it's poaching that would be my guess oh could be yeah she's
00:26:29.280
been she's been the most based and also she's quite friendly with rupert you've seen them
00:26:32.620
chatting to each other in yeah and she's the she's the only one that politely disengaged with the
00:26:37.580
rape gang inquiry and actually responded to the invitation she recently said import the third
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world become the third world yeah i've got another reason to sign the i doubted sarah poach an
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apology film i suppose anyway so these sort of returns are coming back um because now there's
00:26:51.300
a poll in the telegraph that suggests 19 of reform voters in 2024 will break for a store so that's
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800 000 people from the off i mean that's again nowhere near national parliamentary majority that
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vote will be dispersed across the country it'll be hard to win by elections nevertheless there is
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the trickling of a preference cascade towards restore that would be at least matched by people
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who don't vote yes and uh low actually responded to this and and i think this summarizes how uh
00:27:17.040
quite a few people think because of course faros just dismissed this as oh well elon musk is
00:27:21.100
boosting him on x so therefore he's going to get that um bear in mind musk doesn't own facebook
00:27:25.140
and he's eating your lunch on there so you need an explanation but low said to the telegraph
00:27:28.160
increasing numbers of reform 2024 voters are coming to restore britain in makerfield that
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number will be far higher we're not in this to make friends in the establishment and they
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certainly haven't restore britain is going to destroy the establishment real change is coming
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and radical change is exactly what this country needs,
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We Southern Puffters weren't allowed on the doorsteps there.
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Will I get nosebleeds if I go north of the M25?
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But there's some fascinating footage where there's an entire street of reform signs
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that within one conversation with the canvassers, all flipped to restore.
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And as you can see here from behind me, this is a very, very strong street for Reform UK.
00:28:27.720
However, I will just say that we have heard murmurings, rumours about
00:28:32.040
that actually there's going to be a bit of an event happening later on.
00:28:36.340
Well, as you can see, a street that once had garden signs for Reform UK now has a full array of signs for Restore Britain.
00:28:46.660
The gentlemen and the homeowners didn't wish to actually be on camera themselves,
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but it was really something to see as all of the Reform UK banners were put down and Restore Britain have gone up.
00:28:57.660
They were waiting for something like Restore Britain to come along, but they were thinking of waiting for 2029.
00:29:03.660
But they've decided to strike out ahead, they've been inspired by the message of Restore Britain, they've been inspired by the message of Rupert Lowe and what he's been doing in Parliament, and they've also been very inspired by the message of Rebecca Shepard, the candidate for Restore Britain here in Makerfield as well, particularly with some of the residents of these houses having, of course, younger daughters as well and being very concerned for the safety of their daughters,
00:29:32.420
obviously with all of the horrors that we're seeing now you know sort of happening on a weekly
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basis around the united kingdom and so that's something that's really struck well and obviously
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changed their support to restore britain so patriots in control thank you luca i do think
00:29:51.620
it's also interesting just looking at the composition of the cars on the driveway
00:29:54.040
obviously there is a mercedes there but it's interesting to contrast with the reports from
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the labour canvases in the eye because at the top of that article they said if there's a Porsche on
00:30:02.340
drive you know they're voting labor yes whereas that entire road in north makerfield or for a
00:30:08.240
living yes quite they're not diversity coordinators but i mean that clip is absolutely
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brilliant it just absolutely demonstrates the point that okay so look makerfield there's
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probably 20 000 residences in in makerfield and even after several weeks of canvases going down
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there um there are plenty thousands of homes have never been knocked up so if you do have any time
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free over the next week before thursday to go down there and chip in with restore it can make
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a difference they went down that one street and they flipped the whole street yeah so it makes a
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little bit less convincing when reform try to deny the poll that i read out to you before
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there's a another piece in the daily mail because the daily mail have grown quite desperate um i
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think in the in the defense of in the defense of reform at this point uh there's a reform uk
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spokesperson who has said in here this data from the i newspaper comes without transparency has
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It's way bigger than the one they've been putting in their flyers from
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hit pieces keep coming in the Daily Mail because people
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they've been carrying towards Downing Street is very much on the line
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and the many faces of Rupert Lowe are set to saddle
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Fort Reform source quoted in here and they said
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been positive and grown up. We aren't at each other's
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throats and everyone's behaving but with Restore things
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have become toxic, they're throwing mud and some
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of it's sticking they're worried they are worried that people are pointing out on the doorstep well
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you are just a tory recycling bin and so how can we trust you to clean up the mess that you have
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made and there are quotes again from reform hq it's quite a leaky enterprise these days um there
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was this hilarious piece which is the best spectator cover ever of rupert griefing nigel
00:32:17.740
in minecraft and in this they quote another anonymous reform source it's interesting they're
00:32:22.480
always anonymous there are different shades of opinion within reform about restore most view
00:32:26.600
the party is an irritant but some see certain benefits quote it made us up our game admits
00:32:31.620
one figure because we had someone to the right of us i think it's actually made it clearer about
00:32:35.420
what we want yeah to me sounds like gawain or possibly tim montgomery because i've heard gawain
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say a similar thing to that on on a podcast it's like okay yeah it's clear we're not there and we're
00:32:45.340
something different and he's usually a bit more reasonable than some so it's wayne's more reasonable
00:32:50.100
Well, he's more reasonable than a Matt Goodwin, for example.
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Gwaine's used ChatGPT to write Substack articles saying that we need a diverse Britain
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and that Layla Cunningham is representative of Anglican Muslims.
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What I mean is he's more reasonable towards Restore.
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For example, he said that if people join Restore, it's maybe a mark against them,
00:33:08.760
but they should be welcomed back, whereas some people have gone all-out war on Restore.
00:33:13.840
Yes, I would wager that this is actually someone close to Zia's team
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and now understands that the votes lie to his right.
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And so you now need to get into competition with Restore
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that Farage disastrously disavowed a few minutes before.
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there's an external force dragging the party in the direction
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that other people that are contesting for the leadership
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like a Richard Tice or a Lois Perry or something.
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as you've sort of pointed out already with Faraj
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saying these things about mass deportations are impossible
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we will lose to Islam which he says three times
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in a row in that interview with Winston Marshall
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on the right and of course the treatment of Rupert
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And so were all the Tory defectives, you didn't need to welcome Nadim
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you didn't need to step on these rakes guys
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insane yeah yeah and and and a lot of the overreaction to restore i think is because
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they realize all of these wounds are self-inflicted and they're now inextricable from the project of
00:34:27.080
reform because lots of people are sensing this i mean scarlet mcguire who does uh excellent work
00:34:32.960
um on polling for merlin strategies pointed out the the restore vote isn't as simple as wanting
00:34:37.580
something to the right of reform they they do put that pressure on reform but it's not just that
00:34:41.940
instead there's a sense among some that reform will turn out to be like other politicians that
00:34:47.000
have let them down and i wonder why they would get that impression in the week of the belfast attack
00:34:52.200
or when it turns out that suella suella braveman and robert jenrick supervised the asylum fast
00:34:58.420
track scheme that let the attacker into the country so in 2023 in february i think it was
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there was a fast track scheme that allowed uh what was it eritreans afghans sudanese libyans
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and there was one more as well you could never have enough of them yemenis yes exactly well
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just gdp rocket fuel isn't it yes and they allowed the the head chopper in chief into the country
00:35:20.860
you know this chap just just strengthening diversity well i don't know if you got it but
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there's a i think there's a over tweet or post or or just parliamentary thing from um robert
00:35:30.420
jenrick yes in 2023 in september saying the uk is proud to have welcomed sudanese nationals through
00:35:35.340
both our uk resettlement proud of the sudanese nationals yeah the same as the 2022 afghan
00:35:41.520
resettlement article that he published in the telegraph saying it's a national project see it's
00:35:49.540
He might say he resigned, but that was, of course, over Rwanda.
00:35:52.760
Suella, I suppose, might say, well, she was sacked by Sunak,
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so she might argue she pushed back on some of this.
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I do think she actually tried within the Home Office,
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And so the argument you now have to make to the public
00:36:02.360
who aren't as politically engaged as we are is,
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number one, okay, well, you failed at your job.
00:36:07.460
And two, even if they don't know that narrative,
00:36:11.380
standing at Sir Nigel Farage in the red wall and go,
00:36:14.960
You just didn't need to do this to yourselves, lads.
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And so there's no point getting angry at Restore about it.
00:36:20.960
He's proposed deporting literally every one of the people that was given a visa
00:36:25.000
by Jemmerich, Suella, and Sunak back to wherever they came from.
00:36:29.680
And this is, of course, an even more contentious step than Reforma prepared to go to,
00:36:34.200
because many of these people were automatically given indefinite leave to remain,
00:36:40.140
And so that means we have officially crossed the Rubicon in order to keep this promise
00:36:49.820
Yes, it's almost like there was a caller into LBC
00:36:52.400
that expressed this exact sentiment the other day.
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And shitty Lord Varys here isn't having any of it.
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This country will remain almost ungovernable
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until we have mass deportations i mean we consistently voted conservative we voted for
00:37:18.440
brexit the politicians just seem to turn around throw it all back in our faces and say here you
00:37:23.280
go have record levels of immigration instead and i think the very base of this whole thing
00:37:28.340
that is this problem just a massive disconnect between the political class and the people of
00:37:33.120
this country who have never given any consent to this and there's certainly no mandate for the
00:37:38.320
scale of immigration we're seeing to this country but you can't go as far as certainly restore have
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gone and indeed um reform have gone i think too far on this too to deport people who are here
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perfectly legally you mean you mean end indefinitely to remain well you can do that for
00:37:58.660
future people but you can't do that for people who've already got it i mean that would be
00:38:02.440
outrageous surely you can yeah of course you can i mean it's easily we can do it so people who are
00:38:07.820
here perfectly legally you think should be deported from a basic humanity point of view
00:38:12.480
from a fairness point of view you can't suddenly tell people who've got a perfect legal right to
00:38:18.240
be here that oh we're changing the rules now um so you'll have you'll have to go i mean that that
00:38:23.280
you cannot do that well you can do that but is that really the kind of country you want to live
00:38:29.000
in yes but you can't take it out on perfectly legal law-abiding people who are here perfectly
00:38:35.480
legally that that is not i think the kind of country that britain is if the law is we're just
00:38:41.780
going to demographically swamp you and take your country away from you then the law itself is wrong
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so breaking that law or changing that law is the right thing to do this guy's such a wanker but
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his whole argument is but they've got a piece of paper they've got it they we've given them a piece
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of paper there's nothing that you can do now on the moment i become king i'm going to spend an
00:39:02.200
entire saturday building a trebuchet and launching lbc presenters into the sea because they are just
00:39:07.680
vile all of them they talk like the boris wave is the magna carta i mean this is something we did
00:39:13.640
10 minutes ago complete massive heinous mistake done for absurd reasons done due to a mistake
00:39:19.940
thinking that we needed to remand jobs after covid massively getting it wrong and now it's like oh
00:39:26.120
they've got a god-given right no you just say to them sorry that was a very unpopular policy we
00:39:30.260
made a big mistake we've ruined the country SARS you're going back I mean that's not that outrageous
00:39:34.680
I love the way the guys just know them you can in it's just so sensible I mean you're absolutely
00:39:39.760
right these guys did not kick up this much of a fuss when they did actually overturn the Magna
00:39:44.880
Carta and start getting rid of jury trial so yeah like a thousand year president yeah you can't
00:39:49.960
yeah fine okay it's a bit awkward but okay fine you can do that but the Boris wave no that's set
00:39:55.220
in stone it's also like I can put on a dress and call myself Gertrude and he'll recognize me as a
00:39:59.400
woman but the moment you turn around and say well okay we're just by administrative fiat people can
00:40:04.900
just go back to their countries of origin oh no we can't do that that's a long settled precedent
00:40:08.380
i'm a conservative don't you know so the the point being you can just tell them no you can just say
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we're going to do this we have to do this we can do this and they don't have any arguments against
00:40:18.620
you they just look at you like brendan fraser from the whale so the fact that more and more people
00:40:23.360
are doing this in part empowered by rupert lowe's mantra of i don't care like i don't care if you
00:40:28.900
know lbc are upset at this actually i do in that it's entertaining but beyond that i don't care
00:40:32.780
more and more people recognize this even the americans recognize it because katie balls
00:40:36.640
used to work for spectator is now the dc correspondent for the times is saying a lot
00:40:40.480
of people on capitol hill are coming up to me and asking how's rupert lowe doing now this is uh
00:40:45.500
alien to them but of course we've got quite a few american viewers including quite a few people
00:40:49.140
that work on capitol hill and they recognize that uh restore britain are the steak versus
00:40:55.060
the american cheeseburger that they're quite fond of and so the um the the more pragmatism or just
00:41:01.140
the the taste for authenticity is popping that westminster bubble well and to that point a lot
00:41:05.860
of people here think rupert lowe is at least on the brink of a coalition government they're saying
00:41:10.360
that as if oh no of course he isn't what the americans are saying is the momentum yes they're
00:41:14.800
seeing where this will be by the next election yes and i think so is farage because he was asked
00:41:20.640
about this by Sky News, and it generated the infamous image of Farage placing his head
00:41:28.560
in his hands, which is coming quite a trend at the moment, actually. I think he looks
00:41:35.040
When it comes to Makerfield, restore our doing well here, and it could really help, it could
00:41:41.060
really hurt you. What's Rupert Lowe got that it's appealing to some people over you? Thank
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you very much elon musk thank you um i mean most people here who say restore by the way it's not
00:41:56.720
a very big percentage most people here would not recognize a photograph of him right this is stuff
00:42:02.980
that pops up on their phones that has been the problem with it i do not believe for a moment it
00:42:08.400
will last when you said in our previous political chat dan the in a game of poker people's body
00:42:15.780
language and their actions betray what they actually believe not what they say i would say
00:42:20.120
that putting your head in your hands as you say i don't believe it would last after having previously
00:42:23.760
said he won't get one percent in great yarmouth and having previously said he was just one angry
00:42:27.120
man with a twitter account i would say that that demonstrates that farrell just feeding the
00:42:30.700
pressure wouldn't you i mean that the body language there right years ago i i watched a guy have a
00:42:35.640
complete brain fart and just drive into the back of a parked car right and he immediately did that
00:42:57.980
and how badly the treatment of him would go down
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so I would wager quite a few people know him on the doorstep
00:43:08.340
and it seems that lots of people know Rupert Lowe
00:43:10.700
because the spectre of Rupert Lowe is haunting Farage wherever he goes.
00:43:14.160
Because Politico have written up some problems that Farage has had
00:43:25.180
sorry, one problem with reform raised on the doorsteps in Makerfield
00:43:34.860
People in the Red Wall don't want to vote Conservatives.
00:43:36.640
Those kind of Tories are a huge turn-off to former lifelong Labour voters,
00:43:39.640
according to Labour officials. So far, the reform strategy has been to try and speak about Restore
00:43:43.880
as little as possible. However, Politico has observed voters wavering over whether to back
00:43:48.500
restore or reform both in Makerfield and elsewhere in Britain. At a campaign stop for Farage in East
00:43:52.700
London's Romford Market, as May's local elections loomed, a mum with a pram heckled Farage with
00:43:57.580
chants of, it's all about Rupert Lowe. A butcher told the reform leader, it was either you or
00:44:01.440
Rupert Lowe, before taking Reform's anti-Star Messiah and hanging it up on one of the meat
00:44:06.080
hooks. Bear in mind, Restore haven't stood in Romford at the time, so he could only vote for
00:44:10.840
reform at the time. Even Andrew Rosendale has recognised that there's a threat to splitting
00:44:15.280
their vote. And in here, they then go and talk to Rupert, and they try to use various contentious
00:44:20.280
figures online. Yes, of course, it's Steve Laws again, and the eternal bogeyman of Tommy Robinson
00:44:24.920
against Rupert. And Lowe said he doesn't harbour Steve's position. Steve Laws' position is not his
00:44:32.700
position he says it's again an attempt by people like yourself to spread rumors and mistrust where
00:44:37.720
it's not deserved he said laws is very welcome to support restore britain he has no part in our
00:44:41.720
decision making process but you know he's just a member and he said as of tommy robinson he praised
00:44:45.880
his work on the rape gangs he didn't know if he was a member but he also said he's fine to be a
00:44:49.000
member too what rupert has learned is you don't need to disavow your base for the approval of the
00:44:52.120
media whereas farrold has done that and he's created rupert lowe as a rod for his own back
00:44:55.840
yeah and that's quite a new thing to just say well they can vote for us if they want they're
00:44:59.940
not in the party no one else has ever done that even ben habib who talked about doing that one
00:45:04.180
of the big things he said was we don't care what people have tweeted in the past but then he started
00:45:07.320
saying well this this person's tweeted something he's done it here literally ben habib spoke to
00:45:11.400
politico and said he has concerns about the party he said i don't see how you can wish to restore
00:45:16.300
the country's democracy through a dictatorship so immediately demanding that rupert relinquish power
00:45:20.940
um actually i think you do need some decisive power because the problem we have is bureaucracy
00:45:53.600
yeah and then resorted to calling everyone racist
00:45:56.920
anyway the press have started attacking as well of course
00:46:01.200
Britain is being dragged into a very ugly place
00:46:19.560
true opposition because they're more comfortable
00:46:21.420
with Farage, because they know that Farage will disavow his own base, he is worried about their
00:46:25.280
insults, and he will capitulate on certain issues. So, in here, she says,
00:46:29.780
Reform's ambition in Makefield could be thwarted by Restore Britain, the similarly monikered rival
00:46:33.920
that has seized advantage of Farage's shifting of the Overton window and set up camp even further
00:46:37.960
to the far right. It isn't just bad news for Reform. Restore's social media march into culture
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war zones such as climate change and social cohesion is profoundly depressing. What,
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talking about the issue, rather than just ignoring it and pretending that we can all
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hold hands with every Pashtun rapist and African stabberants in Kumbaya.
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Reform has, at times, been unable or unwilling to weed out election candidates
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who voice views that are abhorrently racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, blah blah blah blah blah.
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And it hasn't been strong enough on condemning mobs targeting asylum seekers.
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Once you're into this ugly world, what's to stop anti-immigration voters
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from jumping all the way into Restore Britain's arms?
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Now, if Bloomberg writers are worried about that,
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you can bet your bottom dollar that someone at Reform HQ
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They've put out two pieces in the last couple of days.
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They're terrified that Restore is actually who they say they are.
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Because they think, of course, that Farage is a bit of a grifter.
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He's taking five million quid from Christopher Harbour and he's doing cameos.
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They're worried that Rupert Lowe himself is actually as radical as he says he is
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Lowe sometimes comes across like an old-fashioned conservative headliner
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but gripped by even more right-wing ideas he recently described himself as a true tory if i
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were anything yet much of the style and content of restore's politics comes from the much younger
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clearly more ideological men such as ultra-conservative writer and activist harrison
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pitt good lad and they finish this off with just quaking with fear with low as its sole mp and like
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reform largely bypassing parliament restore is changing the atmosphere of politics such as the
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ominous state of our democracy again the guardian are afraid you're doing something right the part
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that bothered me was they quoted harrison saying homogenous whereas he always says homogeneous which
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is the correct term so uh niche um can i ask you though this is a controversial point
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how do you feel about restore standing in makeville because i never quite understood
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the wisdom of it even though i totally respected people should vote for who they want i wasn't
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wasn't really a splitting the vote type person because i hate the arrogance of reform they're
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a new party they don't own your vote there was the toys were saying the same about reform 10
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minutes ago matt goodwin launching all these unnecessary attacks against restore very
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unpalatable so i understand all that and i totally have on so i don't think anyone like
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owned your vote at the same time i've never quite seen the wisdom of standing when
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it gives you burn and i suppose it builds momentum for a restore it makes them a serious prospect
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that's the argument for it in the future they could do well in a general election people need
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a right-wing party to vote yes and they need they don't have one yes i understand all that so yeah
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i don't understand both sides i'm saying it more controversial is the only thing is people say well
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then you'll get burnham and the counter to that is well reform have been saying get rid of starmer
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why are they so scared of burnham but the only strong argument there is burnham gets in he gets
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a slight bump because he is the most popular labour candidate in the country he polls best
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he gets in snap election before anyone realizes he's crap and isn't going to do anything and then
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they labour win especially with tactical voting on the left that is an angle where you say okay
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restore could put burnham in what do you say to that because i don't think burnham can reverse
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burner i've got nothing no ill will against rob kenyon seems like a decent guy seems like one of
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our guys if anything um it is a shame the party haven't stood behind him and as i said just told
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him to capitulate and apologize endlessly for old social media jokes but the rest of the party are
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just disreputable people like that the price of admission to reform has been betrayal and so if
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they betrayed us to get into reform they will betray us when they are in government they don't
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even like each other and so i don't think that their project is actually sustainable i think
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it's going to come undone by just the viciousness of the people being each other's throats being
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cowardly just in it for power and say i i just don't trust them to be a viable replacement even
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if they want the snap election tomorrow yeah so just quickly on the burning point i guarantee
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what will happen is if he wins if he becomes prime minister you'll then immediately get
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articles that says that he needs three years to demonstrate why he's different and what he can do
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yeah yeah but he won't do anything different all indications are he's a complete
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flip-flopper with he would but he in his imagination yeah give him three years and
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because then they're not just splitting the vote.
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Because if Restore come in second rather than reform,
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Everything needs to be reassessed from there on out.
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and goes back to just making money all the time,
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The best piece that came out in the last few days, though,
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So he says, it may feel comforting to dismiss Restore Britain as fringe wackos who have always
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existed. Surely they're only louder because social media gives them a voice, and Musk is doing his
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best to boost his pet British cause, but Andy Burnham's camp are apparently celebrating the
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fact that Restore Britain exists, and he says it would be a mistake for them to celebrate this.
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It would be deeply unwise for his camp to feel gratitude, because Restore Britain is not an
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isolated phenomenon it's the latest chapter in a much bigger story unfolding across britain
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the wider west and he laments basically the destruction of post-war consensus he says that
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in the aftermath of the second world war when fascism reduced europe to rubble a cordon sanitaire
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was established to the right of democratic politics as a sort of ideological ring fencing
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the far right you having a country were deemed politically illegitimate and an existential
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threat to democracy and he is complaining that cordon sanitaire that containment barrier is
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breaking down and he sees restore britain not reform restore britain as the containment breach
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it's funny that owen suddenly turns into a neoliberal when he needs to like i mean
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talk about fringe wackos i mean owen's like lefter than left can possibly be but here he
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just suddenly sounds like a but he realizes he realizes that all of the people that aren't in
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restore will give him time so for example unheard right they're meant to be a uh liberal free speech
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to their right, but they will host Hassan Piker.
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And they will complain that he isn't brought in. Literally a communist
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And they'll laugh at people who think that Axe Girl was
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telling the truth, which turns out to be vindicated
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reform has too many Christians in it. Yes, quite.
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post-war consensus. They are all in the paradigm
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Yash Sarkar equivalent on the right on the telegraph so the Overton window that's acceptable is far
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left to sort of centre leftish basically like a wet sort of it's a wet Tory to out literal
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communist everyone who believes in the blank slate therefore the only position that's acceptable is
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like British value civic nationalism if you dare say the British people are the English Scottish
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Welsh and Irish and that gives them a unique claim over their own country well then you're the far
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right and unfortunately that means most of the public are the far right yeah even Kemi said
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recently i say even kemi but she said ethnicity has no component in being british you know thank
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you it's a bit it's a bit rich i know because you you've come in you know we don't get into this
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but she's only in the country because of a loophole she's an anchor baby it was you know
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eliminated the year a year after so yeah it's just it's a bit rich when we don't go to nigeria and
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say oh there's there's only matter about being nigeria it's just mental isn't it yes so he
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finishes this by saying that uh the alternative to restore britain is a politics capable of
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directing public anger towards concentrations of
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wealth and power rather than towards migrants, minorities
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and other convenient scapegoats. Who's bringing
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Careful in the comments for me saying that one. But for now
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And I'll whisk through the last couple because the best one
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right has bet that the British people are, for want of
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said that he wanted to deport all illegal immigrants, all
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benefits scroungers, and hang Vikram Digwa
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Africans that attempt to behead random disabled
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years. Yes, and the final one I thought I'd mention
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is Melanie Phillips. Melanie Phillips wrote a hit piece on us.
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going through the previous hit pieces on Restore Britain
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only the other week because of course Frank said
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and our treacherous politicians have decided to
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not going to subscribe to that, thank you very much.
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the Restore camp don't even understand what British identity
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Please explain this to me while you live in Israel,
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defence of Britain's historic national identity, whose core
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values currently threatened by mass uncontrolled immigration of people many of whom hold those
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values in contempt include one law for all political freedom and civic equality for all
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of its citizens so liberalism britain is just liberalism yeah right she says though restore
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wants to turn britishness into an ethnic identity they say britain needs to return to its anglo
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saxon and christian roots and it must once again be white i don't think anyone said that just we
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happen to be white so it's just incidental but there you go she says no place for black or brown
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skinned brits then and no place for jews what restore want therefore is not historic britain
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but an ethnostate based on blood and soil racism no we just want basically the same standard that
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you think jews should enjoy in israel for us here in britain which by your definition is blood and
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soil racism because you think this particular stretch of land was promised to your ethnic
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people thousands of years ago and then she addresses that and says it's actually a misrepresentation
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she says where is it she says um israel does not correspond to restore's desired ethnostate
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because many Israeli Jews are black or brown-skinned.
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There is no other people, religion or ethnicity like it.
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so we are a people with a religion and ethnic groups so if you're demanding that you're going
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to call us racist if we only support nationalism for your people while depriving ourselves of it
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then sorry i'm just not going to abide by that standard you're an ethnic partisan and i don't
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care i didn't like the claim that i understand her argument but i don't like the claim she says
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here restore types come from a very dark place they're eating up with resentment that in the
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state of israel the jews have their own country while the british have nowhere else to go it's
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a bit of a mean-spirited thing to say and i really don't think people are i don't have opinions on
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israel i think a lot of people in don't who like indifferent yeah i don't think a lot of people in
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on the streets those guys lads we saw putting up their signs in the with the vans i don't think
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they're thinking about israel i just think they want britain to survive and not have beheadings
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in the streets in northern ireland and grooming gangs and so on i really don't think they're
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eaten up by resentment when you get into the debate you might find some people saying well
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hang on it's okay for israel but not us in general though i think it's well down the list of people's
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concern yeah and if you want a country for your people you want to secure a future for your
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children and you don't want people randomly beheaded in the street or handcuffed as they're
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bleeding to death because someone said the magic word um vote restore britain because that's what
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they're most afraid of i think we might have to come back to the those comments um towards the
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end towards the end so you didn't get on to finkelstein because we don't have time but his
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the fact that his sister as well wants to ethnically cleanse my people in the countryside
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and i'm a bit like it's a bit rich talking about who's racist and stuff yeah so do we all remember
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axe girl we do indeed yeah for those who who who may um be low of memory i'll just play a little
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bit of this it's it's a short clip that um was was commented on widely at the time as reported by
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whatever it was new york time oh new york post this disturbing video has been spreading like
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wildfire on social media showing two girls yelling at a man filming them as they move around frantically
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and one even pulling out two weapons that she flashes at him the girl who was later arrested
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is being praised online as a hero for standing up for herself but the question remains what
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actually happened here's everything we know about the incident it is hard to make out exactly what
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the girls are saying in the clip because they are frantically yelling with thick scottish accents
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but at the beginning of the video the younger girl seemingly accuses the man of treating her
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inappropriately in some way before she anyway the rest of the video goes on to pour scorn on the
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idea of look they're white they're they're native british i mean obviously obviously they're the
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problem the question that immediately leapt to my mind when i saw this is what would drive a young
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girl to um pull weapons out on a grown man who is following and filming her and why is this grown
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man following and filming two very young girls it was a bit of a rorschach test immediately because
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it what i don't know if you've seen that thing it's like a dress and some people see black yeah
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and it was a bit like that with this all of our lot we immediately saw a girl in distress young
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girls in distress and the and that the problem was probably coming from the 20 year old guy
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but all the liberals in the establishment they saw this and it's like oh that poor 23 year old
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bulgarian man he's being attacked by a 12 year old girl because they believe that all conflict
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between groups is a consequence of you noticing the differences between groups and so this girl
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dared to notice the difference between her and a grown man who was following around and filming her
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rather than holding his hand and singing john lennon imagine and therefore she was at fault
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she was the far right she was causing division yeah they have a flawed heuristic which makes
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them very stupid well yes i mean the police were no doubt the police immediately came out um chief
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superintendent nicola russell um we have to check on that later because i've got a theory and i've
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said it on every podcast that every senior police officer looks like a lesbian regardless of whether
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they're male or not um we are aware of misinformation being shared on social media
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in relation to an incident where a bulgarian couple were approached by youths in saint ann
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lee dundee on saturday 23rd blah blah a 12 year old girl has been charged with being in possession
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of offensive weapons she will be referred to the relevant authorities and our inquiries are
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ongoing we would like to thank the local community for our help with investigation
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and we urge the public not to share misinformation about this incident
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No curiosity as to what drove two young 12-year-old girls
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Because Scotland has been ravaged by a series of grooming gangs,
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both native Scottish and conspicuously a couple of months after this happened.
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some of her friends that had been preyed upon by said gangs
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Well, they've watched so many Netflix shows
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where kick-ass boss girls, whatever they call boss babes,
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is going to lose to a 33 year old man this is not there's no precedent is there in history outside
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of hollywood where a 12 year old girl just picks up a weapon and goes after men in vigilante fashion
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no there was that one film kick-ass i think it was yes that's the only one i can think of in real
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life oh no okay in real life oh no obviously not outside of hollywood there's no yeah not not in
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real life but i mean the the authorities have gone and got this situation where if a violent incident
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occurs um you know what's the cost to the institution almost nothing but what if people
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lose trust in the institutions well that is existential and so what they're doing is they're
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going out and they're and they're trying to always defend their legitimacy their narrative their
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their message um but they're doing something that we used to call in finance picking up pennies in
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front of a steamroller which we would describe for somebody who's trying to make a little bit
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of money but if they get anything wrong they're going to get wiped out and and this story is a
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perfect example of that so uh moving on um um oh we got a picture now of the here we go yeah oh
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yeah she does look like a lesbian she looks like the the protagonist in every single video game
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since sweet baby inc and anita sarkeesian got involved yes yes so uh no wonder that she's the
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chief of police i'm sure she was promoted entirely on merit and nothing to do because she passed her
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DEI exams particularly well um at the time John McSweeney or John Sweeney the first minister of
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Scotland he said um he he publicly accused Elon Musk of spreading misinformation and deliberate
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disinformation about the incident he said it was totally and utterly unacceptable not what happened
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to those girls he said that people talking about it online was totally and utterly unacceptable
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and undermined social cohesion in Scottish communities
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and he backed the police's and Scotland's warnings.
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Hamza Youssef, he was the former First Minister at the time,
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but they're going after Emmanuel Goldstein, which is Tommy,
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but of course they're giving it the whole Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
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Migrants tried to sexually assault the girls
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comments uh yeah uh yes and i mean you can look through the quotes on on on this particular tweet
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from the police um this will make for interesting reading for the types of choking for kids to be
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abused they can hide their racism behind it bulgarian couple from the eu what kind of
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bulgarian yeah exactly love that eu's part of it oh this one's good the flag shaggers won't like
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this and i mean the truth so yeah all that bullshit don't you lot literally fly a rainbow
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flag about shagging yes yes with yeah with the pedo stuff oh my least favorite person yes freddy
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sayers um i mean he needed this nice because i wrote what now now that it's been proved last
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night i know it's today it was deleted i'm not saying i did it i probably wasn't the only one
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to reply well i mean he got in there straight away with the first tweet which is is there any
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actual evidence that 14 year old girls brandishing the axe and the knife was bravely defending her
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12 year old sister from migrant aggression or is this just another propaganda slop story
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and then he followed it up a little while later
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questioning it. Important context as well, under the
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show more section he is linking to a Daily Mail
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who at that point have not been charged. The Daily
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in a sympathetic light. The Daily Mail are really
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subversive when it comes to the issue of migrant crime
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for some reason he thought this was a good look.
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of course they're not. They're all over the map.
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most journalists are left wing so the most journalists at the mail are left wing so yeah
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the mail are not this thing that the left pretends they are well freddie sayers because works for
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unheard which is a disgusting he owns he is he is the editor unheard and the spectator what they
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put he's the one that banned my debate and banned me from the premises of the actual right okay well
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i haven't finished piling on unheard so here we've got an article from kathleen stock i'll just i'll
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just read you some of the choice bits from it and and this is quite good as well so it's a shame
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isn't it she can be well this is the turfs will not touch immigration and that's the issue that
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yeah well and she's just got this dripping middle-class contempt for the lower orders
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and it comes across in a number of bits a donor page has been set up for two girls real name
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lola and ruby as i write the fund stands at nearly 35 grand which is a lot of money for
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young lola and ruby to spend on machetes and iron brew she goes on to say mostly though there
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was a distinct lack of surprise about why a young girl might be walking about the city's back streets
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tooled up like a video game character yeah there is a reason for that there is a reason for that
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um so whatever the ultimate truth about what went on in this video or the fraying social contract in
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dundee it is clearly a lot less childishly simple than feverish projections of people like musk
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um we'll see about that we will see um there is that there is that element of class hatred
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sim stanley always slips into that as well always talking about thugs that just want to get out on
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the street and riot and you think really and if you're from a normal back if you're like like me
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from a state school in the north you just don't think like this because you just think that they're
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my mates from school but there's a certain class i always think there's always a thug around every
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corner with drinking iron the low orders have to be trusted for some reason immigration i note that
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she does look like a senior police officer.
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That's why she looks like a senior police officer.
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but Fraser Nelson knows he's lying all the time,
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And the other one was David Ivanovich the other day,
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this 44 seconds of footage from Dundee, Scotland,
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was enough to confirm their most nightmarish fears
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Britain, it seems, is now overrun by illegal migrant child molesters.
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Pre-teen girls are forced to carry weapons to defend themselves
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from the constant onslaught of foreign rapists.
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a girl has been arrested on suspicion of possessing weapons.
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This too was seized on as proof of the UK's slide into a narco-tyranny.
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because obviously you can trust the police there there's the police are clearly on our side so how
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ridiculous could it be that we would think that and then this line is perfect it seems to fit a
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little too neatly into the rape of britain narrative so i hope dear audience you're queuing
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all these up in your mind um all this all this um you know scathing comments yeah it's a shame
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because i like i like phrases i'm trying to be nice because i know phrase i'm trying to be nice
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but spiked have gone a bit wrong they were back the vaccine vehemently they've done this they
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attacked me i think connor as well and steve edgerton saying oh the idea that the police force
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are racist and white people why do you like these crittens i still know phrases i'm a nice guy you
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know but they've actually attacked me and then then a follow-up article appeared where they
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realized oh the police are anti-white it was from what's her name anaya anaya she wrote a piece
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she's still writing pieces that honor and nick and steve think that the police are anti-white
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they're just arseholes yes um so moving on to other collections of arseholes we've got the
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guardian now what i'm kind of leading up to before i give you the grand reveal um the latest news on
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this story um which will blow your mind uh given everything you've heard from your betters about
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what to think about this incident um yeah the guardian are going after their favorite emmanuel
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goldsteins elon musk and tommy robinson's now i raise this because you might remember that the
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guardian and all the leftists are doing this right now right now they are going after elon musk and
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tommy a week ago they were going after elon musk and they are always always always going after elon
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musk and tommy see dan the problem is people see like an attempted beheading in the street and they
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just think oh cool fine what's for dinner but then they get online and elon musk tells them
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to riot violently yes i mean i mean well that that's why we have the troubles in northern
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ireland for 50 years right it's because people went on twitter he was writing letters at that
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point yes it was mainly letters musk would write a letter to northern ireland and say could you get
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out on the streets and start because because people people have no agency they can't think
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for themselves if they see somebody being beheaded on the street they don't think anything at all
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they're just empty vessels all of these Sikh pogroms that we keep hearing about from the likes
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of Sky News and the aftermath of Henry Novak's death were clearly inspired by Tommy Robinson's
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seven minute video saying the Sikhs are the best people in the country it's got to be that so yeah
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I mean just note when you hear tomorrow and next week and next month the leftists say that it's all
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down to Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk just bear in mind and I've got the twist coming up soon
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uh daily mail they joined in with all of this as well uh revealed the truth about the migrant in
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scare quotes who had dundee girl dundee schoolgirl brandished a knife at and how wrong the rabble
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rousers elon musk and tommy robinson were and then we uh here we go with an ugly video clip
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from dundee housing state in which a schoolgirl brandished a knife and axed soon went viral
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they didn't see the AK-47 tattooed on his neck.
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by far-right cranks across the land um she was attacked she was attacking the sister of a guy
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who filmed her on his phone for the purposes of evidence uh racism is so so it was the it was the
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it was the two school girls who attacked the the 23 year old i mean oh dear but well because he's
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an immigrant so obviously he's the victim 24 years this one soul man amid another example of fake
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news being spread online once again involving tommy robinson whose assertions are proven to
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be false so i mean the left the establishment they were they were all over it they looked at
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these two a quite obviously scared 12 year old girl and this wannabe gypsy gangster from bulgaria
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who got here four years ago and they picked him they picked the guy on the right the tie should
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have been a giveaway really the way the the bit underneath is longer yeah he's clearly not used
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to tying a tie the fact that he also clearly doesn't need a belt with the size of that gut
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and the neck the neck tattoo as well as and and wearing a wearing a woolly north face jacket on
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top of the outfit you're probably wearing to court yes if it's physiognomy never lies but just just
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pause everything the entire left the entire establishment the journalist class they picked
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the guy on the right a lot of us didn't at the time i mean i i posted about this quite a lot of
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the time we made videos i did a segment on it and i just pointed out look if you're defending if
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you're defending mps at parliament you expect it to be well armed if you're a 12 year old girl
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defending a little sister from rapey migrants it's forbidden you know they're not you're not even
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allowed pepper pepper spray you know at the time he was a family man who'd been here four whole
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years four whole he wasn't a migrant he'd been here for four years you need to correct that
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apologize really yeah exactly isn't it restore policy that women would be allowed to carry
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pepper spray well there you go so it's a restore policy that we're going to deport the bulgarian
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well yes yes but it's actually reform policy that if he were to happen to live in wales for
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an extra year he would be a welshman yes right now hate his taxes now we've got the wild twist
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i hope you i hope you've held on waited this long so i fight club the twist is oh actually
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everything that we were saying was right brother and sister guilty of attacking girls in w so how
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you're telling me the gypsies were criminals i'm hearing this now for the first time so the two of
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these so he was basically going out hassling 12 year old girls for sex and his sister was was was
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in on it as well right okay that's convenient there's a gypsy rape gang operating in dundee
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at the same time yeah and and this is this is the restore point because you know somebody like
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farage might might go okay well maybe maybe maybe we're considered deporting foreign criminals so
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that apparently they've said that now they can do foreign criminals but rupert lowe is just like no
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the whole family goes with them and this proves the point his sister was going along with his
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attempts to try and get sex from 12 year old girls this is why you have to deport the entire families
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because their women folk don't give a shit that you're raping our little girls and they'll raise
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their children the exact same way yes it's not a problem in this culture they all need to go so
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yeah that piece of shit and his sister were going around hassling children for sex and they were
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defending themselves so ev literally everything that we said was right on our side everything
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the left said was wrong everything the police said was wrong the police lied because they wanted to
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defend a narrative they immediately wanted to jump in there with don't be mean to migrants
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she's good yeah she's still unheard oh and aris rusinos oh yeah and aris is great yeah yeah that's
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it they've got to find better gigs um so i mean i'll just take you through the story in in in a
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couple of quick points um nicola russ we're we're aware of the misinformation then it's elon musk
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spreading misinformation then it's like oh shit the bulgarian man is guilty uh after making six
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sexual comments at her um and then and then the police are now saying okay information given
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about the incident did not fully reflect the situation oh you think as in we lied at the time
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because our reflex was to always be anti-white to always be pro-immigrant to always shut down
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debate where do we go from here brings us up to the modern day because this narrative keeps ticking
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it's the same every single story they want to shut down misinformation they want to shut down
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disinformation they want to go after their manual guides gold signs of elon and tommy uh and it
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always leads back to this where they are now after the current batch which is liz kendall
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the minister for whatever the hell she's a minister of those who use social media to incite violence
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and disorder are breaking the law next week parliament will update the online safety act
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requiring services to take quicker action to remove illegal content during the times of crisis
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so yeah she's basically just something yeah and another post from here i've explicitly asked
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ofcom to discuss urgently with x and other platforms how they will comply with the online
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safety act we're about to get censored it's all about censorship the exact same censorship that
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they used in this story they want to gold plate that and do even more of it and as we've seen in
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this case you were entirely wrong and we were entirely correct and at the time you wanted us
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to be censored and for every other story you wanted us to be censored and now this one has
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played out from a few months ago yet it turns out that the misinformation was coming from you
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not us that the police were biased they want to preserve the state of ignorance because already
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the average person massively underestimates all this it's been shown in focus groups from people
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like dominic cummings that the average person massively underestimates for example the level
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of immigration and but now people are more and more aware because of x but they desperately need
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and they'll probably come for low procedures
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Dan, do you want to do the rumble rants, or should I?
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How quickly would the intelligence services start panicking
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if everyone just bought the cheapest balaclava on Amazon?
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It really gets on my tits how reform supporters
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was constantly bang on about it all being Rupert's hate for Nigel. Yeah, well, it's
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not just a vengeful project, but you would be pretty annoyed if they tried to throw you
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in prison too. Just trying to give an authentic option for people to vote for. And also, funny
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how Reform's polling never went up when they got the Tories in. Yeah, that's the reason
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they didn't make Zahabi their spokesperson. They realised it would have cratered their
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Rhys, I'm from Dundee. The MSM cover-up and smear campaign of the Young Girls is a disgrace
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to our country. Called them chavs and thugs for defending themselves against dangerous
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migrant nonsense sickening well quite uh another one if they can remove the citizenship of an
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english man living in russia for his opinion they can remove these people no problem and we just
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we have the precedent with shemima vegan uh the running me trust did a giant helpful um breakdown
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of actually all the laws we can use to denaturalize people so i think we should just get very
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comfortable doing it um one from logan connor it'd be great if you didn't mock us in america
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for having trump we have windows 7 while you're getting windows 8 don't mock people for having
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trump i think think trump should just stick to his domestic agenda rather than pratting around
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in the middle east and you know actually fix the country instead i think most trump supporters want
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that to be honest so do people in the administration that i'm friends with so there you go um someone
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says habib is a snake don't let him anywhere near power he's been trying to contain restore ever
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since the party was created um ben habib can be a member if he likes just as anyone could be a
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member but i don't think ben habib's going to be given any executive power and restore anytime soon
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uh binary surfer friend of the show nick and dan and i's generation were raised as liberals
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Whomever comes along in one to three generations
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My generation, they attempted to raise us as liberals,
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I don't think that's going to work, unfortunately.
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Do we have anyone on the ground near Downing Street?
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Yeah, I've met plenty of nice Romanians as well,
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are all gypsies as well so um lots today it's very generous uh one tall order without just spewing
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the standard calusan american line about guns when lowe gets in he's really got to expand your
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guys right to self-defense uh there's already a paper on that yes um though i wouldn't advise
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rolling out a second amendment in britain until we get rid of all the urban news they're going to
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shoot each other at a wing stop uh that's a random name thank you connor gypsies are not bulgarian
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though it's still funny to call bulgarians gypsies just to see them have a meltdown
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and uh reese the last one dude dundee is a leftist shithole the highest drug death rate in europe
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military command didn't resign when Starmer and his fellow communards went after veterans and
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the troubles of the troubles is beyond me well that's true then Carnes was criticized for that
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though he's somewhat rectified it there Jimbo I know that this has been going on longer than
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Starmer but it really appears that we're being run by our enemies a land invaded a people
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demoralized giving away our territories military decimated and the worst part is that noticing
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means you've been brainwashed by foreign interference indeed economic zone 17 can
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anything finish off Starmer it's like he's some sort of political vampire who reassembles out of
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ashes of every failure yeah kind of t1000 maria says alkans is not as well respected by veterans
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just another weasel yeah well he he threw the vectors under the bus people felt because he
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didn't stand up on that northern island bill but now in resigning it's i think he's sort of somewhat
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made amends to a degree honorable mentions by the way lording quiz the hectarex happy to see nick
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back uh glad the local milfs let him out of the dungeon i thought i had to read that as an honorable
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Yes, we had to fight them getting into the studio.
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I just spent the last few hours torturing myself
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Do you not have any eyelashes to pluck out or something?
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It's utterly incredible how emotionally attached she is to reform.
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I simply cannot see the difference between the two.
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and that's our in half an hour yes go to that go away but don't don't leave your desk or your
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whatever just stay where you are maybe get a drink read a couple articles and come back
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yes go to the loo get a sandwich whatever uh and and but but watch lads hour okay see you in a