The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1440

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Eaters, episode 1,440 for Monday, the 15th of

00:00:06.800 June, 2026. I'm your host, Luca, joined today by Carl and Thiras. Hello, hello. And today we're

00:00:12.480 going to be talking all about why Makerfield will change everything. We're then going to be talking

00:00:18.200 about the establishment's constant barrage of attacks on Restore Britain. It's almost like

00:00:24.800 were a threat to them or something. I don't know.

00:00:27.080 That's just 1%.

00:00:28.320 Yeah, terminally online.

00:00:30.460 And then we're going to be talking about Labour going for the under-16 social media ban.

00:00:36.140 So a lot of good things to be, important things to be discussing.

00:00:40.880 So shall we begin?

00:00:42.820 We will, I suppose, start with the fact that I've obviously, for those of you who've seen the coverage,

00:00:47.740 I've been up in Makerfield since Wednesday.

00:00:50.660 I got back to Swindon about midnight last night.

00:00:53.800 So it's been a long time and it's been, you know, it's been wonderful.

00:00:58.220 It's been a real privilege to be there on the ground besides the local people, besides canvassers and just all of the people who turned up.

00:01:05.700 And I just like to preface all of this by saying, you know, those that I spent some time with, that I shook your hand, had the conversation with, you know, heard your story of where you traveled from.

00:01:15.040 And it's all it was all very, very inspiring.

00:01:18.060 And I've come away from it with a profound experience.

00:01:21.320 And the whole thing was very, very wonderful.

00:01:23.360 So thank you for your part in all of that.

00:01:26.860 So I suppose an assessment is in order for how I found it up there,

00:01:33.620 what sort of things I was hearing on the door, what morale is like,

00:01:38.260 and certainly what a lot of the concerns were for the people of Makerfield as I was up there.

00:01:44.080 So before we go on, I've never been to Makerfield.

00:01:46.640 I've been to Wigan once.

00:01:48.940 It seemed like a nice enough place, actually.

00:01:50.600 Yes.

00:01:50.980 But I wasn't there for very long.

00:01:52.360 I didn't really get to meet any of the people there when it was a couple of years ago.

00:01:55.720 So I don't really know anything about the area, to be honest.

00:01:59.260 Yeah.

00:01:59.680 Well, it's, I mean, it's very quintessentially northern, of course.

00:02:03.260 Wonderful, classic, red brick homes and, you know, just wonderful pubs.

00:02:07.840 Such warm, personable people as well, you know.

00:02:11.040 Good to be back amongst them, to be honest with you.

00:02:13.540 And so that was all wonderful.

00:02:15.820 And so you go about and you're looking around at the locals.

00:02:19.280 and the first thing of all is just as a general note they are very very tired of having five

00:02:25.380 knocks a day on the door they're very very tired of the leafleting they're tired of being the center

00:02:30.280 of national attention the circus has arrived yes okay you could go home now yeah um so that is a

00:02:36.760 general thing and it did prove to be quite difficult to get vox pops on the street because

00:02:41.460 most people just didn't want anything to didn't want to talk although i do actually um today's

00:02:48.000 The footage for day five should be going up today, and that will include some Vox Pops on the street that I had on one of Makerfield's high streets.

00:02:58.140 But as I say, a general feeling of fatigue.

00:03:01.340 And also as well, in terms of the signage, I will just say a lot of support for Andy Burnham, a lot of support for Burnham.

00:03:09.680 And the reason for that is because of total hatred for Starmer.

00:03:13.900 the support for burnham is built on the back of hatred for starma it's the same picture i know but

00:03:22.480 they they feel like it will just relieve some of the the strain you know as a terminator man this

00:03:27.820 i'm so sick of this um oh we have to stop annie burnham at all costs like why what's the difference

00:03:34.680 between him and starma other than likability genuinely anyway i won't go on but like yeah 0.94

00:03:39.800 It's just insufferable.

00:03:41.360 It is. It is very frustrating.

00:03:43.960 So, yeah, they absolutely hate Stammer.

00:03:47.020 But another thing as well is, and I will say this was perhaps one of the more unpleasant surprise,

00:03:52.360 but I think it's truthful and therefore should be said,

00:03:55.200 is that though, of course, we're seven years on from the collapse of the Red Wall to Boris back in 2029,

00:04:02.040 there is still a very tenacious support base for classic Labour.

00:04:07.280 They just feel like an undying support for the party.

00:04:11.140 So unfortunately, that does seem to be still holding.

00:04:14.540 But what's interesting as well is that even amongst their concerns, a lot of the concerns and the things that you raise with them on the doorstep, such as immigration and so on and so forth, it's like, OK, but Labour are not going to address these concerns.

00:04:29.920 Or the reasons for these concerns.

00:04:31.540 Yes, and I do think that the direction of travel is definitely more towards that trust, that loyalty to Labour.

00:04:42.580 It is continuing to fracture.

00:04:44.700 It's not staying entrenched.

00:04:47.960 So that is something very, very encouraging.

00:04:50.420 I mean, that's Burnham's prime pitch, isn't it?

00:04:52.280 I'm going to fix the Labour Party.

00:04:53.760 I don't want you to fix the Labour Party.

00:04:55.340 I want you to go away.

00:04:56.740 Absolutely.

00:04:57.060 I mean, I'm from the South West.

00:05:00.240 We don't vote Labour.

00:05:01.540 But another thing as well, of course, is that in all of this, I mean, the reason why I personally support Restore Britain is because I'm against false hope, right?

00:05:12.940 I don't want people to put their hope into false things.

00:05:15.840 I want them to put, if you're going to dedicate yourself, give your time and energy and attention to a cause, it ought to be something that is actually worth doing and worth backing.

00:05:25.840 And of course, that's my reason for supporting Restore Britain.

00:05:29.320 And I feel as well that actually you can feel that message coming through on the doorstep as well in Wigan, that people realize one of the things that comes up, came up constantly, was you can tell they are all, people do have like a natural intuition of being anti-establishment.

00:05:48.500 They understand that it's this, you know, long, decades-long quest of the establishment that they've got us to where we are now.

00:05:56.020 So their inclinations are anti-establishment truly.

00:05:59.320 however they are still uh the establishment media's tactic of just barraging them with the

00:06:08.900 idea of splitting the vote splitting the vote i will say it has taken hold in makerfield it has

00:06:15.060 taken hold however it's not impregnable and actually just a few moments on the doorstep

00:06:21.800 going methodically through it with them and saying well look yes you're quite right it is

00:06:26.100 establishment who have done this to you but it's now the establishment telling you for their safe

00:06:31.040 option yeah right so don't don't lean into what they're wanting you to do they're trusting that

00:06:37.820 you will stay within their control yes reservation basically right um and that is definitely

00:06:44.840 fracturing as well and and the reason for that is ultimately because so many people can see

00:06:52.040 observably demonstrably that restore britain that obviously the anti-establishment option

00:06:58.880 don't know what gave it away but uh but they are you know you know what i think it is is i think

00:07:04.280 that despite everything um regardless of everything that everyone says rupert lowe feels like the only

00:07:12.780 person who genuinely is on the side of the british people even nigel farage is trying to juggle like

00:07:18.180 anti-racism and the system and all of these other sort of progressive and systemic concerns whereas

00:07:25.040 rupert lowe has just taken the bull in the china shop approach i'm like no i don't care about any

00:07:28.260 of that we're going to do what's right for the british people yes and everyone can feel that

00:07:31.180 kind of intrinsic like he doesn't equivocate or prevaricate on any issue he's just like no this

00:07:35.800 is the way it's going to be and that's what we're going to do vote for restore britain and it's

00:07:38.940 like okay well i i can tell that he's not like in hock to a series of other things it doesn't

00:07:43.440 necessarily have to be financially

00:07:45.320 though it might be with the case of Farage

00:07:47.320 but it's morally in hock

00:07:49.480 to the current status quo

00:07:51.080 and Rupert Lowe's like no I think they're all terrible I'm going

00:07:53.500 to destroy it and you can feel

00:07:55.540 okay this is the real deal

00:07:57.320 whereas Farage always

00:07:58.900 came across like Diet Coke

00:08:00.680 best. Not just that I mean

00:08:03.440 there's this interview when he was explaining

00:08:05.560 which bits of the Equalities Act would

00:08:07.460 he preserve in other new legislation

00:08:09.300 and the answer was all of it

00:08:11.420 And the Equalities Act is the edifice that underpins everything that you see around you.

00:08:17.920 It's the bit of legislation that says you can't object to currency or liberalism.

00:08:22.880 It is enshrined and protected by law.

00:08:25.240 If you want to deviate from that, it is illegal.

00:08:28.880 And so the approach of restore is we're going to rip it all up.

00:08:32.720 And the approach of reform, it's terrible legislation.

00:08:36.160 We are going to keep everything that it protects.

00:08:38.180 Well, I mean, Kenyon said exactly that on his question time appearance.

00:08:41.420 And they're like, you want to get rid of the Equalities Act so women are paid less.

00:08:44.880 He's like, no.

00:08:45.520 And he literally said, everything that protects women will be brought forward into the new one.

00:08:48.900 It's like, well, then what's the point of the new one?

00:08:50.220 I'm not saying we need to stop protecting anyone, but like, if you're just going to be a continuity from the old regime and not actually create a new in the way that you think things should be done, then I'm just voting for more of the same.

00:09:01.520 And I'm actually not up for more of the same at this point.

00:09:04.920 And another thing as well, actually, just whilst we're speaking about Kenyon, is another thing.

00:09:09.540 And, look, I have my own views on this, but the reality on the ground is that the media, long-tried media tactic of just taking, in this case, Robert Kenyon's comments and saying, be outraged at this thing, it has actually, again, it does seem to have stuck on the door.

00:09:28.040 It does seem to have sowed distrust amongst female voters over in the maker field constituency, which is, of course, been beneficial to Rebecca Shepard.

00:09:39.460 Of course, when she comes along and she's just a very warm, personable woman on the doorstep, they find her much more trusting.

00:09:46.300 Another thing as well is just to say that on the topic of trust, when it comes to the people on the door who are answering and saying, oh, I do like Restore, I like Rupert, but we're worried about splitting the vote.

00:10:04.740 This is both frustrating and encouraging simultaneously, because in the short term, it's irritating because it's like, just come on, just come with us this time.

00:10:14.540 If you all just voted this way.

00:10:15.460 the charge however on the other hand it does show there is actually no moral break between them

00:10:22.160 coming over to our side they all see that restore britain is the better option and ultimately the

00:10:29.600 question is well can reform uk keep up the tactic of saying splitting the vote for the next two years

00:10:36.100 of how long and when that breaks and when people no longer feel penned in by that particular 0.88

00:10:43.120 of rhetoric well then the damn bursts and they all come over and that's the interesting thing 0.89

00:10:48.040 isn't it like there's no deep roots for reform in these people's minds and actually they it's like 0.98

00:10:54.040 okay yeah i've been with this girl for a long time so i'm not just going to break up with her

00:10:57.520 but this one keeps sending me messages and i quite like the look of her and i'm not going to yet but

00:11:04.080 it's definitely on my mind yeah like there's the the relationship is over it's just waiting for it

00:11:10.920 actually play itself right um no one on the doorstep said well i'm voting for reform uk

00:11:17.080 because i think their policies are more sensible nobody nobody on the doorstep said well you know

00:11:23.800 i'm voting for reform uk because i just really trust richard tice you know no one's out there

00:11:29.240 saying these things in the way that people are saying i trust rupert lowe i like the policy

00:11:33.960 positions right the actual and this is all obviously demonstrated by reform uk's position

00:11:39.300 of don't split the vote it's like okay but what's the positive vision for you there isn't one it's

00:11:44.000 entirely negative yes it's just don't don't be the guy who is that negative uh hold the nose

00:11:50.280 candidate for being either in politics or for being a boyfriend just don't do it yeah you know

00:11:55.700 you're in that position while you're ahead um and on the um subject of uh rebecca shepherd as well

00:12:01.700 the um restore britain candidate for makerfield i had the privilege to meet her and spend a bit

00:12:07.100 of time with her and she was an incredibly warm and personable woman and a lot of the detractors

00:12:13.460 have been saying about the fact it's like well she's not been very visible online and everything

00:12:17.440 it's like no what she's been doing is getting up every single day knocking meeting local groups

00:12:22.720 knocking on the doors because it doesn't really matter who has the largest online presence here

00:12:27.860 because it's not the online people who are voting it's the people of maker field who's voting and

00:12:32.880 Rebecca's just been getting on very, very able with that job. And I saw her in action just

00:12:36.860 speaking to people on the doorstep. And I was very, very impressed by how she conducted herself.

00:12:42.480 And I think there was a lot to compliment there. The other thing as well is just to mention some

00:12:47.700 of the issues that were consistently heard on the doorstep for the people of Makerfield. And

00:12:53.980 it won't surprise you to hear that immigration was a great concern to them. And this is coming

00:12:59.280 obviously from a place that is 97 percent english and uh but can see what's happened to birmingham

00:13:05.160 of course right just realizes it's the next place or manchester we're literally five minutes away

00:13:11.360 from what you've done to us yes yeah absolutely um and so that was a crucial concern with them

00:13:17.120 and obviously as a natural um second order effect of that was of course the the just entire place

00:13:24.480 becoming less safe. The concern, fathers and mothers' concerns for their own children growing

00:13:29.440 up in the local area, seeing what's happening in Manchester, seeing what's happening in Bradford

00:13:34.480 and Oldham and all the places that surround them in the local areas. And so this was a big thing

00:13:40.260 as well. Of course, cost of living came up on the doorstep consistently. Another thing that came up

00:13:45.660 particular to them was a case for re-industrialisation and, of course, bringing back the

00:13:50.480 manufacturing jobs. And I also put here the fact that there seems to be a consistent feeling of

00:13:57.460 a wish for a return to a sense of national pride. But I think that rather than pride, perhaps

00:14:03.700 actually the more accurate term would be dignity, a return to dignity. Because everybody that you

00:14:12.140 meet there, and that this range is across the board. This is not ideological in any way. This

00:14:17.520 comes to even uh people i was speaking to on the streets who said that they were going to be

00:14:22.240 voting for andy burnham on this time everyone realizes that the british people are being taken

00:14:29.180 advantage of by someone different parties put that if only there was just one person who was

00:14:34.780 taking advantage of us it's everyone it is all the time yeah in every way conceivable

00:14:40.180 no no it's not even uh there was a particular uh labor chap i was speaking to i think this

00:14:47.380 will come out in the footage that we put up today.

00:14:50.280 But one of the things that he was saying is like, yeah,

00:14:52.200 I really wish we could stop the boats.

00:14:54.180 I'd love to put the Navy in the channel, you know,

00:14:56.760 because he just talks about the fact that it's like,

00:14:58.660 from his point of view, it's like, yeah, 0.94

00:15:00.280 we're being screwed over by the French. 1.00

00:15:02.200 The French are just guttering the dignity of Britain 1.00

00:15:06.600 and we're being humiliated. 1.00

00:15:09.260 We're paying for the privilege.

00:15:10.280 Yes, and we're paying for the privilege.

00:15:11.680 So there's this entire, the rhetoric was really an appeal

00:15:15.060 to return to dignity to the dignity of britain and to its people and to not be constantly taken

00:15:21.520 advantage of in every issue whether it comes from immigration to welfare uh to to being at the front

00:15:28.240 of the queue for jobs and the whole slew of things on this particular case um and so i also had the

00:15:33.900 pleasure to this was on the first day i arrived um and i was speaking to uh one particular chap

00:15:40.200 there in one of the community clubs called John and he didn't live in Makerfield at the time but

00:15:45.240 he had been lived there for the majority of his life he was born there he was a local man he'd

00:15:49.860 only moved out recently and then he'd come back to campaign for a few days for his local you know

00:15:56.300 his old home and everything and this is a lot of the things that I was saying were brought up by

00:16:02.500 people like John constantly on the doorstep and then that's all right I'll just go over to here

00:16:09.860 and then we got to um some genuinely extraordinary stuff now this this chad right here we um so i

00:16:17.020 was speaking to this chap at one of the pubs that we were all coordinating from and this chap came

00:16:22.680 over from australia his uh i think one of his parents was from yorkshire one of his parents

00:16:28.460 was from scotland but so you know he's like first generation to australia but then he's decided to

00:16:35.020 basically just quit his entire life in australia to return back and protect the motherland because

00:16:42.120 he saw the opportunity with restore britain and the momentum behind it and you have to think to

00:16:48.160 yourself as well as i mean this is an extreme and inspirational remarkable um case study but it's

00:16:54.280 also as well just within britain itself how far people are willing to go to travel eight hours

00:17:00.520 up a motorway or yeah yeah fly from australia yeah yeah it's genuinely extraordinary to see

00:17:07.640 and all of on this particular day as well begins with me just with my raincoat on and everything

00:17:13.160 it was a deluge the entire morning it was an absolute deluge and so when you have about

00:17:19.060 20 canvases many of them who are have never voted before because a lot of them are young

00:17:24.900 or many of them who have certainly never gone out as far as to canvas for a party before

00:17:29.680 and put the message for and try to persuade people on the doorstep.

00:17:33.220 It's really, really inspiring, and it just all supports the narrative

00:17:36.840 and the truth that Restore Britain are changing an enormous amount

00:17:41.940 of voter apathy into genuine, viable electoral power.

00:17:47.440 It's going to become an absolute powerhouse if it continues on

00:17:51.220 on this trajectory, which is all remarkably encouraging.

00:17:55.220 um and then of course we get to uh one of my personal highlights of the entire uh the entire

00:18:04.380 few days that i spent up there um i was very much anticipating uh reform you know uh commenters

00:18:11.820 online going into conspiracy land mode i mean i'm sure they were taking their their issues from um

00:18:17.320 the teachings from mariana spring on this one but honestly this was an extraordinary thing so

00:18:22.760 For full transparency, what actually happened here was we were told in the morning that this was going to be happening, that all of the locals on this street, this particular side of the street, had decided that they were all going to turn their votes to restore Britain.

00:18:38.800 And so we went there about six o'clock in the evening, and we were just waiting around.

00:18:45.500 I did my first to-camera address, just said there's going to be something happening here.

00:18:50.500 And then we were just waiting on the street corner for about 40 minutes

00:18:54.540 just for one of the homeowners to get back from work

00:18:57.320 so we could do like one final check.

00:18:59.320 Everyone was good with it.

00:19:00.600 And then we'd flip them all over.

00:19:03.180 And it was fantastic to see.

00:19:05.480 But one of the things as well was that as we were stood there,

00:19:08.680 I mean, because bear in mind, when you're stood around just with a microphone

00:19:11.520 and Jack's got his camera, obviously locals are interesting curious.

00:19:14.900 Yeah, what are you doing there?

00:19:16.220 And honestly, no word of a lie.

00:19:18.460 everyone who approached us they don't know who we are they didn't know about the load seaters but

00:19:22.860 everyone who came there was like oh who are you reporting it's like yeah on the by-election it's

00:19:27.680 like oh who are you for like well we're kind of for restore britain actually and then they're like

00:19:32.200 oh yeah us too just everyone everyone would come up to and honestly this it's i've never been more

00:19:39.820 blindsided by an interaction than what i had with this this young girl who was maybe like 14 15

00:19:47.660 something like that and she was with a young boy of a similar age and she came wrong along asked

00:19:53.800 that exact question and she said um she said we said well we're for restore britain and she went

00:19:59.700 oh is that the one that wants to execute those foreigners and we were like well you know we do

00:20:07.540 not this time i was like i was like well it does want to bring back the death penalty for people

00:20:12.660 Like Axel Rudakabana and, you know, the guy who killed Henry Novak

00:20:16.420 and this, like, 14-year-old girl's like, yeah, kill him. 0.66

00:20:19.520 Just, like, absolutely going for it. 0.91

00:20:22.660 You just think to yourself, but this is a young girl, right?

00:20:25.960 This is a young girl whose entire life, from reception to where she's at now,

00:20:32.120 has been handheld by the state.

00:20:34.420 Every arm of propaganda they've had at their disposal,

00:20:37.360 and obviously it'll be applicable come your segment

00:20:39.880 where we talk about the under-16 social media ban.

00:20:43.560 But she has been someone who, like the state,

00:20:45.680 has had so much control over her life, but intuitively. 0.95

00:20:49.460 She's lived her whole life as a second class. 1.00

00:20:51.620 Right. 0.99

00:20:52.160 Yes.

00:20:52.620 And she just knows.

00:20:53.920 She feels it.

00:20:56.120 And honestly, a lot of the reactions were just like that.

00:20:59.320 Just people waiting for policies, for a government to implement

00:21:04.420 the policies that actually feel fair on men on their concerns and why shouldn't i wonder if

00:21:11.880 faraj's next u-turn is going to be on the death penalty wow that would be uh quite remarkable

00:21:17.820 that would be quite a change i mean you saw his uh substack post about white demographics in

00:21:24.960 britain yes after literally saying this is not my concern i don't care about the white population

00:21:29.380 of britain i don't care about i'll be long gone exactly that throughout the entire party of reform

00:21:36.380 has been this consistent thread of we are not going to address the demographic question

00:21:40.560 and suddenly when things are getting bad enough he's like oh well guys actually we need to worry

00:21:46.000 about these demographics now so look you've been pushed to this point and i'm not having it i don't

00:21:49.720 care yeah and for many of these people i was speaking to one of the chaps on this road again

00:21:54.560 there was just so much conspiracy it's like oh well why are none of them on camera it's like

00:21:58.360 Because there are local people who are camera shy and just don't want to, it's not that deep.

00:22:03.360 But the other thing as well was just that I was speaking to some of the people and their concerns were just perfectly reasonable.

00:22:10.100 It's like, no, I'm voting Restore Britain.

00:22:12.060 It was like, I'm going to wait till 2029.

00:22:14.100 No, we don't have time to wait for 2029.

00:22:16.260 My family needs me to vote this way because this is the only party I can trust to protect them, to do what is necessary to protect them and their futures.

00:22:26.600 and so this was constantly what I was finding up and down as we were going and then obviously we

00:22:32.380 come to the event on Saturday in the morning and my goodness just I'll just play it so you can get

00:22:38.620 an idea of the magnitude so far back can't hear Rupert talking through the megaphone it's incredible

00:22:54.240 absolutely incredible i mean i saw i saw lots of people saying it's probably about a thousand

00:22:58.680 people turned up to canvas i believe so that is enormous yeah think about farage's perspective

00:23:04.580 he could have had this oh yeah yeah i can't stop thinking about this he could have had this

00:23:09.460 seriously i can't stop thinking about how farage instead of taking trump's robust big tent approach

00:23:15.000 and saying no you're all my guys i'm with every single person on the right now i need you all

00:23:19.160 we're gonna win we're gonna do all of this and repudiate the mainstream because that was always

00:23:23.280 what trump did i repudiate all of them i rebuke the lot of them i'm going to build a wall and

00:23:27.580 make mexico pay for it and they're going to call me you know orange hitler or whatever forever

00:23:31.680 but we're going to win together for us has done the exact opposite he said no no no i'm

00:23:36.560 we're having an incredibly narrow ten the conservative consensus of 2015 exactly exactly

00:23:41.860 i'm staying as a cameron politician i i'm yeah exactly i i'm going to adopt a position that

00:23:46.000 david cameron wouldn't find that objectionable and anyone economic policies and george osborne

00:23:51.560 approval exactly and anyone to my right can go wander in the wilderness forever and it's like

00:23:56.520 well actually they don't have to wander in the wilderness forever you don't actually shut them

00:24:01.060 out of politics just because you don't want them in your tent yeah they can make a tent of their

00:24:05.240 own and turn up in on mass because it turns out your criteria left a hell of a lot of people in 0.92

00:24:11.040 the wilderness hundreds of thousands like these should all have been your guys nigel yeah always 0.73

00:24:16.740 maintained that one of trump's big strengths was that he publicly showed his love for america and 0.95

00:24:23.060 americans whereas with nigel farage you still get this sort of you know uh you yeah you're a bit

00:24:31.220 icky yeah yeah he would rather not be hanging out with you exactly exactly as rupert lowe seems

00:24:37.160 perfectly gregarious yes and completely on board with just oh here's a chap you know like just

00:24:43.400 very friendly very down to earth yeah and and the important thing as well is uh amongst that crowd

00:24:49.560 that just massive swelling of people who've come from all over the country to then the hand over

00:24:53.980 the weekend it's that you just speak to people as you go around and it's like everybody understands

00:24:59.480 the hour yes everybody understands the mission everyone understands what's at stake and it

00:25:06.800 There's a serious of mind, there's a duty, a responsibility that impassions these people that is so commendable as, you know, we've come up through everything they've had to endure.

00:25:19.840 And the fact that these people haven't just given way to total apathy and have been brought back into it for this massive charge against the establishment.

00:25:29.600 And it's incredibly inspiring. And as I say, they were just such wonderful people.

00:25:33.880 It's times like this when you go up north and I go to Wigan and I look around at a town just full of British people and all of these people coming in to support.

00:25:46.500 And it's like, yeah, yeah, our people are really special people with some of the most remarkable people.

00:25:52.420 And there's a warmth there.

00:25:54.240 There's a kindness of heart.

00:25:56.300 There's a genuine, just such a good spirit to the British

00:26:00.560 that just constantly reminds you why we're doing what we're doing.

00:26:04.600 We're doing it for the people, first and foremost.

00:26:07.020 I can't open notice that this crowd doesn't seem to be

00:26:09.140 terminally online incels either.

00:26:11.720 No. 1.00

00:26:12.220 A lot of middle-class people, I can see a lot of women in the crowd there, in fact.

00:26:15.460 You know, just very normal people who are just very concerned.

00:26:18.760 Yes, absolutely.

00:26:20.080 And so this entire thing has been overwhelmingly positive.

00:26:23.240 and when you just look at the point of comparison

00:26:27.040 with the people that Reform UK were managing to summon...

00:26:31.240 Richard Tyson Lee Anderson didn't summon 1,000 people up now.

00:26:34.780 Well, and oddly enough, I mean,

00:26:36.400 why would Reform UK sleep on their greatest weapon?

00:26:41.520 Where's Jenrick? Where's Zahawi? Where's Doris?

00:26:44.260 If these are such great people...

00:26:46.460 Yeah, but where's Farage?

00:26:47.200 Yeah, where's Farage?

00:26:48.080 Why isn't he leveraging his celebrity?

00:26:49.480 Probably terrified to bump into Lowe.

00:26:51.280 Well, yeah.

00:26:51.660 about Makerfield, to be honest.

00:26:56.600 But it's just that point.

00:26:58.120 It's like, okay, so all these people

00:26:59.720 that you brought into the party,

00:27:01.400 the Tory defectors,

00:27:02.900 who have made you genuinely untouchable

00:27:05.000 and votable,

00:27:06.260 like no one wants anything to do with you,

00:27:08.240 you know it too

00:27:09.080 because you're not bringing them over.

00:27:11.620 You know that they're toxic

00:27:12.900 and you brought them in anyway

00:27:14.520 because you thought you could just take 1.00

00:27:16.420 the public for fools 0.98

00:27:17.260 and they have no other option. 0.99

00:27:18.880 But as you can see,

00:27:20.040 they do have another option.

00:27:21.340 Look at Rupert there, just like, you know, arms around people, doesn't care.

00:27:24.880 France doesn't do that.

00:27:25.980 He doesn't get in amongst the people like that.

00:27:28.420 Rupert's completely comfortable with this sort of thing.

00:27:30.820 He is.

00:27:31.460 And I was fortunate enough in that on the morning to have a short interview with him, of course, as he was going about.

00:27:38.340 And there was just one particular quote that I think is worth ending on that you said in the interview, which is that, well, they can see that their country is slipping away from them.

00:27:46.660 And I think that people are waking up.

00:27:48.580 And when a country like Britain wakes up, people have to watch out. And I think that's absolutely true. I think that it's the point that we've been told, like Wormtongue by the establishment, to forget our own strength, to forget our own capacity for goodness, to forget our own ability of self-belief in who we are, where we're going and what we're all about.

00:28:13.400 and to see so many people over there.

00:28:16.460 And honestly, it's just been such a wonderful few days up there.

00:28:20.360 I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience.

00:28:23.860 And I think that things are still very much to play for.

00:28:27.560 But one thing that is beyond question is that the people of Makerfield

00:28:32.700 are now very, very familiar with Restore Britain.

00:28:36.940 And they're very, very familiar with the message and they like it.

00:28:41.400 amazing

00:28:43.480 loads of super chance

00:28:45.820 have come in

00:28:46.340 which I'll try and get

00:28:47.400 through some if I can

00:28:48.000 get them out

00:28:48.420 um

00:28:49.460 carve the NGO

00:28:50.900 I don't know what that

00:28:51.640 means

00:28:51.860 uh if restore take any

00:28:53.440 place above reform and

00:28:54.260 make field be it first

00:28:55.080 or second 1.00

00:28:55.500 you can bet your sweet

00:28:56.840 baby that the fear in

00:28:58.240 the establishment will

00:28:58.880 likely have them

00:28:59.560 prescribing restore as

00:29:00.960 terrorists

00:29:01.520 um I don't think

00:29:02.600 they'll go that far

00:29:03.260 I don't think it's

00:29:03.900 tenable but um

00:29:04.980 if reform

00:29:06.580 lose to restore

00:29:07.960 then it's over

00:29:09.260 there's just no mandate

00:29:10.400 for reform anymore and uh i think you can see it in farage where there's just like yeah head in

00:29:15.400 hands the whole splitting the vote narrative yeah it evaporates i've never seen him so no reason to

00:29:21.160 hold your nose anymore exactly yeah exactly there's no reason to hold your nose anymore yeah and that

00:29:25.880 your head high exactly and that becomes the narrative the entirely sort of negative sort of

00:29:30.500 nagging of reform it's like well you're going to split the vote it's like listen i'm just you know

00:29:35.580 i'm going to do what i want thank you darling you know stop nagging me you know and go away like

00:29:40.100 exactly there's no there's no reason not to and also we didn't split the vote in gorton and

00:29:45.640 and they still lost to the greens manage yourself yeah yeah uh wc uh says uh please download to get

00:29:53.500 sas for security detail don't make trump's mistake um well we'll we'll see what we can do

00:29:58.220 but um right on that note let's let's move on because it's very clear that rupert lowe is

00:30:04.160 actually leading quite a gargantuan grassroots movement i mean we'll just play this just so

00:30:08.780 can see the scope right no good morning everybody

00:30:17.420 where's your army for us why isn't that you like it's mad and so i think that the day of action on

00:30:27.120 saturday uh where he got probably roughly about a thousand activists all over the country to come 0.61

00:30:32.380 and help canvas in makefield has um put the complete shits of them uh don't know how i'll

00:30:39.160 say it sorry for swearing but um i think they are actually quite terrified about this in particular 0.68

00:30:44.560 the daily mail that has been going on a non-stop crusade against restoring rupert lowe now the

00:30:51.300 daily mail is one of the most widely read but probably most hated papers in the country uh

00:30:58.760 nobody likes the daily mail there's nothing prestigious about the daily mail it's just it

00:31:03.740 does the dirty work and therefore a lot of the time you have to read and cite the daily mail

00:31:08.720 right so we'll see how influential that is i think there are lord rothermere yes it is yeah we'll get

00:31:14.180 to that in a minute um the the there's a lot of seething i mean you can see just by the subheading

00:31:19.280 here just anyone who cares about britain won't vote restore says the editorial for the mail on

00:31:25.340 Sunday, we'll get that up at the next minute. I didn't even see

00:31:27.360 that when I was preparing this. Because they'd

00:31:29.440 spammed out article after article after

00:31:31.400 article. Oh, you can't vote Restore.

00:31:33.320 You can't vote Restore. It's like, I can

00:31:35.520 though. Actually, I can when

00:31:37.420 it comes to it. I can do

00:31:39.500 this thing, despite the Daily Mail's

00:31:41.760 protestations. It's like, oh, look, it

00:31:43.460 worked. The Daily Mail was wrong.

00:31:45.800 I can vote for whatever I want.

00:31:47.400 And it's because there have been various polls,

00:31:49.440 this particular one that cited from More in Common,

00:31:51.920 complaining that, oh,

00:31:53.480 well, Andy Burnham's on 45%, Robert Kenyon's on 40%, and Restore Broderick on 8%. Therefore,

00:31:59.140 you're splitting the vote. And it's like, well, why don't you just go and cry about it? Why don't

00:32:04.060 you just explain to me why I should vote for you? And their arguments are entirely negative.

00:32:09.500 Oh, Andy Burnham again. Oh no, we've currently got Kiss Starmer in charge. Your entire campaign

00:32:14.560 was vote reform, get Starmer out. That didn't work. Now your campaign is vote reform, keep

00:32:19.580 starmer in right i don't want starmer in charge like andy burnham may well be your average labor 0.91

00:32:25.820 moron but at least he comes across like a human being like keir starmer is a terminated intent 0.64

00:32:33.020 on destroying the british people like do i think andy burnham is going to abolish jury trials no 0.99

00:32:38.480 probably not that'd be a ridiculous thing to say no one on i mean no one thought that abolishing

00:32:44.460 jury trials was going to be on labor's manifest like obviously not in the manifesto but on labor's

00:32:50.100 plate when they actually got into government and yet here we are with david lammy being like yeah

00:32:54.580 so you know for for the majority of offenses you're not getting a jury trial anymore uh brilliant

00:32:59.540 thanks david and just banning social media for under 16s now to be honest with you i'm actually

00:33:04.060 kind of in favor of it but the point is these are all like he's done loads of things that are 0.72

00:33:08.520 way beyond his mandate right from this loveless victory that he won because nigel faras split 0.84

00:33:13.320 the vote with the conservatives right that's why he's in charge so don't give me any of this oh

00:33:16.980 you're splitting the vote nonsense don't care you're not entitled to my votes and i don't know

00:33:21.560 why you think that whatever percentage of people vote for restore would vote for reform i mean i

00:33:26.380 can't even know it's like you were saying gordon and denton you didn't get those people out did

00:33:30.160 you no they didn't come out for you you lost to the greens and it looks like now they're still

00:33:34.060 not coming out for you and you're going to vote you're going to lose the labor so the point is

00:33:37.240 what's the point of reform if you can't even beat these parties again you can't even beat labor

00:33:41.320 in a 97%, 65% Brexit voting area,

00:33:46.220 then you've got nothing to offer

00:33:49.160 because you're just sitting here

00:33:50.900 nagging me as usual.

00:33:53.000 And I'm actually not interested 0.79

00:33:54.020 in being negged, actually. 1.00

00:33:56.420 Nagged, negged, 1.00

00:33:57.360 like all of this nonsense. 1.00

00:33:59.460 You can't make your own

00:34:00.600 affirmative argument.

00:34:01.740 And so I'm just done with it, right?

00:34:03.400 And look at Luke Trill,

00:34:04.820 director of More Economy.

00:34:05.960 Andy Burnham is on track

00:34:06.980 for a make-a-filled win

00:34:07.820 thanks to RestoreBrain.

00:34:08.540 No, thanks to Labour Party voters.

00:34:11.320 Labour voters, right? That's why Andy Burnham is going to win. Andy Burnham only wins because

00:34:15.300 people who support Labour vote for Labour, and people who don't support Labour don't vote for

00:34:20.960 them, right? That's the only reason. So if people don't support reform to the extent that you need

00:34:26.560 to defeat Labour, that's your fault. That's on you. You can point the finger at anyone you want,

00:34:32.640 but that's coping and seething, and I'm done with it. I'm not having it. I don't care if you're

00:34:37.220 upset by this and like to act like andy burnham is some titanic threat like he's so normal even

00:34:44.120 even if he was a political titan it's like even if he was it's like the problem with the labor

00:34:50.880 party is obviously not the pilot it's the entire plane yeah one person is not going to come in and

00:34:56.640 change it around and restore trust exactly and the same problems with labor back bench he won't

00:35:01.380 be able to do anything on the budget he won't he's already said he's i'm committed to rachel

00:35:05.220 reeves's budget i'm committed to shabana shabana mahoud's uh home office uh immigration choices

00:35:10.540 i'm committed to everything labor is already doing i'm just going to be personally more

00:35:14.840 popular than keir starmer so the party can still go towards extreme last for how long exactly yeah

00:35:20.480 he'll start reasonably well like keir starmer did and then he'll crater because it's the labor

00:35:25.400 party itself that is the problem not any individual leader and and when the next um horrible event

00:35:31.760 comes around which it just will yeah that is based on you know something harrowing in the news

00:35:37.080 it's like Andy Burnham is not going to do anything it they will carry on and people will just see

00:35:43.240 that actually no the problem is that Labour are unwilling to touch the options that would actually

00:35:48.580 alleviate us of this I mean we could just test Andy Burnham on this we say Andy you know the

00:35:53.100 latest atrocity that happened on British streets no not Henry Novak no not Northern Ireland the

00:35:57.140 17 year old who's stabbed in the neck by a Pakistani man that was the latest atrocity until

00:36:02.220 whatever happens today yeah what are you going to do about it and he'll say well nothing this is the

00:36:07.420 system operating is intended we are proud of our diverse country yeah exactly we're not going to

00:36:12.040 do anything so anyway um the the next one let's go to that one that i didn't see right like look at

00:36:18.280 this anyone who really cares about britain won't won't vote restore okay yeah why would i believe

00:36:23.860 Mail on Sunday comment.

00:36:24.880 This is the editorial voice of the Mail on Sunday.

00:36:27.620 Why would I care what you think?

00:36:30.120 Anyone who really cares about Britain would only vote for a store.

00:36:32.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:33.460 There's no other option.

00:36:35.020 So, oh, I'm going to vote for Nigel Farage.

00:36:36.560 I'm going to vote for the used car salesman of British politics, am I?

00:36:39.480 I don't think so.

00:36:40.460 You know, we're done with this kind of nonsense.

00:36:42.460 We can tell who has the stones for the current situation,

00:36:47.880 for the current moment.

00:36:49.340 And it's not Nigel Farage.

00:36:50.360 There's a reason that he stepped down.

00:36:51.840 There's a reason from Brexit.

00:36:53.140 there's a reason that he stepped down to let Boris win and look at the massive betrayal that was

00:36:57.180 and then he split the vote with Keir Starmer he wasn't even able to beat the Labour Party

00:37:01.200 in 2024 so now it's like right okay I I want someone who actually has some guts some proper

00:37:08.860 guts like Nigel Farage the other day coming out and being like oh well demographic declines is

00:37:13.100 a problem yeah you've you've only just mentioned it even though you are literally like a year late

00:37:17.840 on that conversation we had this conversation a year ago and finally Nigel Farage is going to

00:37:22.380 taste moment no i don't want a guy who leads from the rear i want a guy who's at the front and

00:37:26.280 that's just the way it's going to be even when he tries to lead from the front when he says about

00:37:30.520 the fact of um you know cold rage in southampton immediately walks it back at the first sign of

00:37:36.520 adversity yeah because they were like oh my god are you are you calling for rage during these 0.58

00:37:39.720 riots so when you called for rage during the black lives matter and you didn't care then 0.68

00:37:44.420 so nigel farage again if he was a man of bravery of courage he would have just stood up and said 0.79

00:37:48.900 yeah cold rage because we're going to destroy your system we're going to make sure that you

00:37:53.020 never make the british people second-class citizens in their own country again so yeah get used to it

00:37:56.780 but he didn't as you say he backed down because that's who he is he is fundamentally congenitally

00:38:02.000 a coward and he's afraid of the mainstream media he's afraid of them treating him like this yes

00:38:06.620 he is afraid of them treating him like this i mean look at this is a great so we get into the right 0.97

00:38:11.860 okay oh they're evil now they're just evil tommy robinson can join the store if you want says

00:38:16.400 Rupert Lowe yeah I mean Rupert like this this is just such a non-issue he says well I don't know

00:38:23.360 whether he's a member or not it's up to him if he wants to pay 20 quid and join Restore Britain

00:38:26.980 that's a matter of him not me yeah anyone can join any party it's like literally I'm not going

00:38:32.380 to tone police to the right is what Rupert Lowe is saying I'm not going and they've been desperate

00:38:36.800 for him to turn on his own activists and start like interrogating his own party which is what

00:38:41.960 people like ben habib have also wanted him to do it's like no that's that is a critical weakness

00:38:46.880 because when you do that you lose your independent power base you therefore lose your freedom of

00:38:52.460 action you are therefore much easier to control by the establishment exactly when you turn on your

00:38:57.580 base you stop being independent you therefore submit to their control given the institutional

00:39:03.420 mechanisms that they have to keep you in check and so he's constantly being made this this test

00:39:10.240 is constantly being submitted to him

00:39:12.040 and he's repeatedly passing it by saying,

00:39:15.140 well, Steve Laws is a member, Tommy Robbins is a member,

00:39:17.900 I don't care, anybody can become a member.

00:39:19.820 I literally don't care.

00:39:20.840 It's like you've just got a shield wall

00:39:22.960 and they're saying, no, no, no,

00:39:24.440 that person in your shield wall,

00:39:25.820 you can't have them there.

00:39:27.080 And so you kick that person out.

00:39:28.420 And before you know it, your shield wall's entirely thin.

00:39:30.880 Exactly, they want to shed down the Big Ten.

00:39:34.180 It's like, no, no, you can't have it.

00:39:35.700 But what does that do?

00:39:36.680 That would make the focus of Restore

00:39:39.460 inward facing rather than outward facing because at the moment restore has got a huge groundswell

00:39:44.780 of support and it's just battering everything around it and it's stomping over their um their

00:39:51.300 little narratives and so they're desperate oh no please stop hitting us please why don't you go at

00:39:56.120 that person or that person no no no you're the person who needs to be attacked yeah we're going

00:40:00.000 after you so we don't care i don't care i mean like and the fear oh tommy robinson yeah he's not

00:40:05.280 really very like controversial in this day and age i don't know whether you've noticed

00:40:09.020 yeah it's it's not 2011 anymore right we don't have the like centrist libtard david cameron

00:40:18.060 tony blair consensus anymore uh people want millions gone and that makes tommy robinson

00:40:22.760 an absolute moderate at this point like you should you should be having him on tv to give

00:40:28.060 the moderate position and i say this is someone who likes tommy right he's just he's a moderate

00:40:32.300 these days so anyway tommy oh he's he should be too toxic for any political party okay well what

00:40:39.280 if he's not what if the situation in britain has changed so that actually uh things have gone

00:40:45.920 significantly out of your control and as in fact owen jones said it the other day in the guardian

00:40:50.240 there's no guardrails on the right i love that piece i love that was great if there's no guard

00:40:56.380 rails on the right that means we can just do what we want also implicitly it admits that reform uk 0.79

00:41:00.960 were the guardrails oh yes exactly great and this this is exactly why they like nigel this is why

00:41:08.880 the daily mail is actively campaigning for nigel farage now and it's because they have always

00:41:13.600 maintained this cordon sanitaire between nigel farage and tommy robinson so the patriot movement

00:41:18.940 can never actually link up with the political movement with the political movement exactly

00:41:22.900 like the two sort of wings of it can never actually be one in the same because that would

00:41:27.300 have been powerful but farage isn't that guy he didn't have the courage and this is what elon

00:41:33.620 recognized when he when he literally tweeted farage isn't the guy like a year ago now he

00:41:39.080 realized all right he hasn't got the balls to take the energy and direct it and so farage is the only

00:41:45.700 way to actually achieve any change in politics absolutely which is the only way that you can 0.92

00:41:49.520 break out of the grip of the establishment that there's no other way to do it other than to say

00:41:54.680 i have a popular mandate i care about it i care about my base i want to do what's in their

00:42:00.000 interests yep and so everything else implies you're compromising yep and it's another thing

00:42:05.220 as well just as a bit ironic about this oh the daily mail is clutching its pearls but the daily 1.00

00:42:10.480 mail you were a sordid disgusting rag that prints absolute bullshit and the the worst kind of like 0.99

00:42:18.400 uh just gross seedy celebrity news like you've got entire sections of your your website that 1.00

00:42:25.620 are dedicated to this absolute rubbish and it's just vile so you watch the daily mail get on its 0.99

00:42:31.580 high horse i don't care about the daily mail's high horse i don't respect your opinion i don't 0.98

00:42:36.480 think you're moral agents so uh i don't care if you think tommy robinson is too toxic for any 0.59

00:42:42.840 political party well shut up um so what so once once the um the british public has decided

00:42:50.480 well i don't know tommy robinson actually i mean and everyone has to concede at this point

00:42:54.620 at this point he was brave to speak out about it originally when it was very unpopular

00:42:58.780 and he was right and once that's been conceded well where do you go from there well there's

00:43:05.540 only one place to go and so what are they going to call us now oh that's right you're a you're a

00:43:10.960 bunch of nazis it's the new home for neo-nazis oh that's new right on time yeah that's new so uh

00:43:18.440 sorry is this daily mail or the guardian what am i dealing with oh it's it's the daily mail

00:43:23.220 who actually arrive on exactly the same point as the guardian because actually fundamentally

00:43:28.080 they are a left-wing paper masquerading as a right-wing paper and they always have been and

00:43:33.660 they always will be well actually that's not true they haven't always been but things within

00:43:37.960 within my lifetime

00:43:39.700 within modern times

00:43:42.060 within my lifetime

00:43:44.600 they just like

00:43:46.940 just like Blair's total victory

00:43:49.200 of the conservative party

00:43:50.260 it was a total victory

00:43:51.100 of the right wing media

00:43:52.180 in this country

00:43:52.820 I mean why

00:43:53.760 the right wing media

00:43:54.660 you would think

00:43:55.800 they would ask themselves

00:43:56.420 oh hell

00:43:56.840 why are we taking

00:43:58.020 the Guardian line

00:43:58.720 on Tommy Robinson

00:43:59.440 why do we take

00:44:00.360 the Guardian line

00:44:00.960 on Nigel Farage

00:44:01.620 and they've got to that point

00:44:02.380 Nigel Farage is all right

00:44:03.860 because he takes

00:44:04.520 the Guardian line

00:44:05.140 on Tommy Robinson

00:44:05.920 and where's the piece

00:44:06.880 about the Greens

00:44:07.620 and Labour being the new home for communists.

00:44:10.340 Yeah, they don't care.

00:44:11.940 And why isn't there anything

00:44:15.480 that looks at the extreme of the left?

00:44:17.860 Why do you never see pieces

00:44:19.720 about the violence of Antifa?

00:44:21.520 And I doxing Antifa leaders.

00:44:24.340 I mean, they have covered this in the past.

00:44:26.480 They've covered this,

00:44:27.040 but they don't dox Antifa.

00:44:28.460 No, no.

00:44:29.060 They don't go around sort of chasing them

00:44:30.960 and identifying where they work

00:44:32.580 and put all that effort into it.

00:44:34.120 But they do to right-wingers, right?

00:44:36.080 restore activists at white supremacy summit with neo-nazis right okay well i mean i might have been

00:44:41.580 a cafe with a neo-nazi like am i am i a Nazi now i might have passed by one on the street i don't

00:44:48.380 know am i a Nazi now like i vote for the conservatives once that Nazi may have voted for the 0.70

00:44:53.400 conservative as well am i a Nazi now i'm not gonna do that twice as you can see okay now you're just 0.60

00:44:59.980 Nazis you're just Nazis but they will as you say they they won't look at this right so this is 0.89

00:45:04.960 angloid with rupert lowe they've doxed him um sorry angloid i'm not going to show the name 0.90

00:45:09.740 just because i don't really want to be like the daily mail but um but then they call him

00:45:14.300 i'm not even joking about this um a hard hardened sorry they don't call angloid a hard neo-nazi

00:45:20.500 although they do call him a neo-nazi um he's 19 he's right he's 19 and he's a kid like not trying

00:45:30.300 to be dismissive or anything but sorry he's just some young lad who understands that his country 0.62

00:45:36.480 is being taken away from him and the daily mail's like ah neo-nazi i mean he's just running

00:45:41.400 intimidation tactics saying to you if you if you are a young man who's concerned about your country

00:45:46.900 we are going to write personal hit pieces against you can you imagine when you were 19 having your

00:45:52.880 picture in the daily mail with them saying neo-nazi at the top like they know what they're

00:45:58.620 doing and it's like he's 19 like don't you think you should have some they're basically doing

00:46:04.760 antifa's target selection exactly they are putting a they're putting a signal out to all of the green

00:46:10.380 party stand up to racism people saying this is a guy you want to go for this is a guy you want to

00:46:14.200 terrorize and it's okay so you are just the right wing of the guardian as far as i'm concerned right

00:46:19.860 that is what you do i mean the hits nick lolz would love this piece how would it be any different

00:46:24.860 to what Nick Lowell's would write.

00:46:26.380 In fact, they cite not Nick Lowell's,

00:46:29.440 but stand up to racism, right?

00:46:30.840 So they say in this,

00:46:31.940 I'm not going to scroll through

00:46:32.620 because I don't want to reveal the certain details,

00:46:35.280 but they say,

00:46:36.640 and again, this is a hit list

00:46:38.020 of all of our friends, by the way,

00:46:39.600 among those campaigning for a store

00:46:42.360 in the constituency was Callum Barker,

00:46:45.000 a quote, hardened neo-Nazi.

00:46:47.060 Callum Barker's 23.

00:46:48.580 No one's a hardened neo-Nazi.

00:46:50.200 Hardened neo-Nazi,

00:46:51.480 who's at the extremist re-migration summit

00:46:54.180 in Portugal two weeks ago. 1.00

00:46:55.220 And that sounds like a good idea,

00:46:56.080 a remigration summit. 0.98

00:46:57.780 Firstly, it's a good idea.

00:46:58.700 Secondly, he's such a nice guy.

00:47:00.200 Yeah, he's lovely.

00:47:01.320 He's such a good chap,

00:47:03.060 but he's also such a hard worker.

00:47:04.680 Yeah.

00:47:05.040 He's been on the ground

00:47:06.140 campaigning, leafleting

00:47:07.460 from Epping to Makerfield nonstop.

00:47:10.480 In fact, the Bell Hotel

00:47:11.260 was just closed recently.

00:47:12.940 Because of his effort.

00:47:14.460 Yeah, in part because of his work.

00:47:16.260 And so they're just like,

00:47:18.040 oh, he's a hardened neo-Nazi. 0.97

00:47:19.600 Where the hell did they get 0.99

00:47:20.520 the term hardened neo-Nazi from?

00:47:22.280 I mean, he was a member of Homeland.

00:47:24.180 which is definitely quite, you know,

00:47:25.380 far-right party before it collapsed.

00:47:27.640 Well, I had a look around,

00:47:29.140 and it seems they got it from places

00:47:31.160 like the Byline Times and Stand Up to Racism, right?

00:47:34.520 So in this, they describe Callum Barker,

00:47:38.860 it's Stand Up to Racism,

00:47:40.140 who call him a hard neo-Nazi.

00:47:42.080 Oh.

00:47:42.880 Sorry, do you think I take Stand Up to Racism?

00:47:45.560 The front for the-

00:47:46.780 The neo-communists are calling others neo-Nazis?

00:47:48.720 Literally, the Socialist Workers' Party.

00:47:51.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:51.600 Like, they are literally a branch

00:47:52.840 of the Socialist Workers' Party.

00:47:54.180 and the Daily Mail's like,

00:47:55.580 well, I mean, if he's a hardened neo-Nazi

00:47:57.020 by their standards, 1.00

00:47:58.220 say, you're a Nazi by their standards, dipshit. 1.00

00:48:00.940 Sorry, I keep swearing, 1.00

00:48:01.880 but this is really pissing me off. 0.97

00:48:03.440 Like, you're a Nazi by their standards. 0.97

00:48:05.780 And again, he's 23.

00:48:06.820 Nobody's a hardened anything at 23.

00:48:09.480 You absolutely lie.

00:48:10.500 If you fought on the Eastern Front, yes,

00:48:11.860 but not really.

00:48:12.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:13.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:13.680 And this, I found on the,

00:48:16.300 again, I was just searching for hardened neo-Nazi,

00:48:19.480 Callum Barker, hardened neo-Nazi.

00:48:21.040 So I was just like, what's going on?

00:48:22.160 I don't think he's the only person 0.95

00:48:23.400 to have been called Callum Barker right so um they it's uh here we go fascist thugs behind

00:48:28.760 local protests right so this is um from uh it's called the it's called counterfire so this is

00:48:36.260 again like byline times it's one of those sort of like tiny leftist rags that just calls everyone

00:48:40.160 a Nazi and then gets laundered into the Daily Mail because for some reason the Daily Mail just

00:48:45.800 don't check their sources but look at this right one of them Callum Barker is a hardened neo-Nazi

00:48:50.180 who helped establish combat 18 as a street fighting security detail of the nazi british

00:48:56.100 national party in the 1990s he's 23 no he didn't they it's like i've been helping to put nazis on

00:49:04.200 the street since before i was born this they they had to post an apology about this guy yeah no

00:49:12.740 actually he wasn't so i that's why i didn't use the counterfire article i used this one from

00:49:18.000 georgetown university that's calling him a hard nazi has been doing it since the 90s because

00:49:22.600 they're just legetown in washington dc is interested in street protests in britain

00:49:27.900 apparently so so this is obviously an intelligence outfit housed inside a university as we've seen in

00:49:35.140 so many cases yeah yeah okay so the point being they're like okay yeah okay we are just making

00:49:41.480 this up to call you nazis we just want to call you nazis okay that's all we want to do because

00:49:47.120 that's the last line of fire that we have gone through every defense and now we're like okay 1.00

00:49:53.000 okay don't make a stir you're a nazi don't care right i don't care what you think i'm a goddamn 0.98

00:49:58.400 nazi and so you say oh well this is much there's a monstrous coup going on in the labor party and 0.99

00:50:05.320 only rupert lo could save us from it but he's a self-serving arrogant political extremist well i 0.88

00:50:09.500 don't think he's self-serving or arrogant i mean i'm not going to say he's not a political extremist

00:50:14.760 given the current climate but he's not self-serving and arrogant he's a really nice gentleman and and

00:50:21.260 so much so that all of these people are willing to turn up to them to to support him and the party

00:50:27.420 on weekends because it's observably not the case because his motives are so obviously true yeah

00:50:34.000 ironically the self-serving and arrogant person is Nigel Farage and you saw the kind of turnout

00:50:40.960 the reform got compared to the return out the restore got so you know you can keep saying this 0.85

00:50:45.680 but again daily mail that i mean it's embarrassing watching them desperately try to launder far left

00:50:53.860 lies is so extreme that they'd have all these headlines the weekend before the election

00:50:58.440 yeah well this is why i'm i i you know i they're panicking i think they may have had a bunch of

00:51:03.880 this um in hand but i do think that the the numbers that turn out for makeover really put

00:51:10.160 the wind up them i really think they're panicking and this implies that restore are actually doing

00:51:15.980 better than the sort of seven percent that uh or maybe they're just desperate for that seven percent

00:51:21.160 or something right um but it shows that they this is a real issue and and if i may just say as well

00:51:26.560 um i i can't remember who's tweeting i think it might have been morgoth's tweet but he was just

00:51:31.760 saying as well you know the daily mail is is one of those rags that just will post every day about

00:51:36.940 a story of like migrant crime or just something that someone who shouldn't have been here has done

00:51:41.580 but the moment that a political figure comes along and proposes an actual political solution

00:51:47.320 to the problem with the ballot box saying look we'll just you know detain deport it's like they're

00:51:52.720 like whoa whoa whoa hang on let me tell you how the daily mail actually characterized this uh

00:51:57.700 because in the previous article when talking about the remigration summit they say remigration is a

00:52:05.160 far-right concept referring to ethnic cleansing via mass deportations of non-white populations

00:52:11.140 it was conceived as a response to the great replacement conspiracy theory that asserts

00:52:15.720 that global elites often jews are systematically trying to replace white people with immigrants

00:52:19.540 so it's exactly the same narrative as the guardian that's exactly what the guardian is saying the

00:52:24.200 demographic change isn't happening they're saying they're fine with it i think they do concede the

00:52:30.580 demographic changes happened but to do anything about why is great why is great replacement a

00:52:34.840 conspiracy theory uh because they're trying to make you not notice i see it's a desperate way

00:52:39.980 of trying to make sure you can't talk about the population replacement in say uh birmingham or

00:52:44.620 bradford i mean i've been here 20 years i've noticed some changes well you're a perceptive

00:52:50.100 man i don't know what it is but i've noticed some changes the reason they tried to tie it

00:52:55.100 some sort of jewish conspiracy which i just have not heard anyone actually say um is because they

00:53:01.060 think that puts it out of bounds right you can't talk about this now so otherwise you're in favor

00:53:05.180 of the jewish conspiracy no no no listen i'm in favor of my my high street just over there 0.99

00:53:09.880 not being full of foreigners what are all these people doing here why are they here i don't want 0.99

00:53:14.080 them here they weren't here five years ago right so that's what i'm concerned with um but anyway 1.00

00:53:18.600 as you can see so the daily mail i mean this like probably about eight or nine articles in total

00:53:23.340 that they have cranked out to hopefully, I suppose,

00:53:29.700 make people go, oh, yeah, no, I would never vote for Rupert Lowe.

00:53:33.320 This is definitely not a brilliant advert for him.

00:53:36.060 And then you've got Brendan O'Neill, who goes on Talk TV

00:53:38.740 and says stuff like this.

00:53:40.460 Because we hear that Restore could make a massive difference

00:53:44.200 and let Burnham in through the back door.

00:53:46.580 Proof over the weekend, it says here,

00:53:48.440 Restore is the new home for neo-Nazis as leader Rupert Lowe says

00:53:52.120 Tommy Robinson is welcome to join.

00:53:55.120 If I was Farage, I'd be shining a light on Ristel, wouldn't you?

00:53:59.480 Absolutely.

00:54:00.520 I was in Makerfield this weekend, as it happened,

00:54:02.960 talking to lots of people, including the reform candidate, Robert Kenyon.

00:54:06.340 And I know you have to mention all the candidates.

00:54:08.780 He's a real stand-up guy, in my view.

00:54:11.260 He really is devoted to improving the lot of his local area.

00:54:15.940 I met some Ristel canvassers and activists.

00:54:19.040 I have to say, Jeremy, if I'm allowed to be honest,

00:54:20.880 a lot of them were quite unpleasant people they had unpleasant views they were canvassing in what

00:54:25.780 i would consider to be an unpleasant way they were quite aggressive towards me i don't know if they

00:54:30.600 were also aggressive towards other people they they were not what i would consider to be nice

00:54:35.200 people and we know that there are lots of people with dodgy views in restore i don't understand why

00:54:40.840 rupert lowe won't do something about it or say something about it lots of restore supporters

00:54:46.480 on the internet make racist comments they make anti-semitic comments that's not on rupert lowe

00:54:51.880 of course but he should say something about it i think very dodgy uh party and nigel farad should

00:54:58.160 say something about it nigel farad should be saying listen if you want to change this country

00:55:03.000 reform is the best option yeah no i actually agree with brendan there uh despite the fact

00:55:08.700 that spiked is a subversive communist out that weirdly is israel's first um i actually agree

00:55:13.600 with brendan here i think nigel farage should come out and call rupert lowe racist i think that'd be

00:55:18.300 a brilliant move for nigel farage i think that'd be excellent that's that's the best thing i think

00:55:22.720 nigel farage could do but anyway uh jeremy kyle again for anyone do you know who jeremy kyle is

00:55:28.900 i mean i i know that he used to have that tv show back in the day jeremy kyle is scum right jeremy

00:55:35.000 kyle made his bones became famous and got wealthy exploiting the hardship of the working class of

00:55:41.600 britain right in exactly the same way as jerry springer did right he was the british version of

00:55:46.280 jerry springer he spent oh yeah he'd get two very poor people that paid them an absolute pittance

00:55:51.440 to get up humiliate themselves in front of the country then jeremy kyle would lecture down his

00:55:56.960 nose at them and i hated him right i've always hated jeremy kyle even when i was young way

00:56:02.220 before i was political i always just hated the fact that jeremy kyle would exploit poor people

00:56:07.640 and their problems for his own profit.

00:56:09.440 I hated him for this.

00:56:10.880 And so Jeremy Carlin was like,

00:56:11.880 oh, well, I support Nigel Farage.

00:56:13.700 Yeah, I bet you support Nigel Farage.

00:56:15.440 And I don't for exactly these reasons.

00:56:18.000 And then, anyway, you've got Isabel Oakeshott,

00:56:19.940 Richard Tice's girlfriend.

00:56:22.480 Impartial opinion. 0.51

00:56:23.540 From Dubai, because that's where you are.

00:56:25.900 To go on and be like,

00:56:26.620 oh, well, Restore Britain supporters

00:56:28.320 are very mean to be on social media.

00:56:31.340 Cry about it.

00:56:31.920 I don't care.

00:56:32.540 Like, you're a reformed partisan.

00:56:35.580 Why are they going to be nice to you?

00:56:36.920 Isn't it strange as well that Brendan talked about how horrible these Restore supporters were, and yet I had nothing but wonderful impressions of all of them.

00:56:47.520 They seemed like eminently reasonable people, kindly spoken on the doorstep.

00:56:51.840 He's not used to being disagreed with.

00:56:54.900 And I think that there is, the word pleasant, they're not pleasant people.

00:56:59.300 Part of it, okay, English understatement, fair enough.

00:57:01.680 but the idea that you're living in pleasant times that require pleasant solutions is

00:57:07.460 observably insane yeah i think we need to actually consider that maybe they're just lying

00:57:13.080 i think they're just lying right i don't trust these reformed partisans anyway to to get to the

00:57:19.520 uh the end of this so what was rupert lowe's response to all this uh two daily mail front

00:57:23.560 pages in a row abusing restore britain in the most spectacular fashion we've got the buggers

00:57:27.300 on the run that's what's happening they're just calling you nazis because they know that reform

00:57:37.560 are going to destroy restore is going to destroy reform and then it's going to destroy the

00:57:41.500 establishment of the status quo that's what's going to happen that's what they're afraid of

00:57:45.780 speaking of people oh shall we read a couple of the uh super tests uh yes i can do that uh do you

00:57:53.460 want me to read them from this one? Um, so, uh, $5. Thank you. Dowie says, um, Farage is going to

00:58:00.880 my mate's work today and he's going to try and get a picture with him. Uh, my mate's diehard

00:58:05.080 restore and he's going to just, uh, doing it just for the meme. Um, sorry, can I just scroll down

00:58:09.580 the one as well? Cause there's a very kind of a $10 comment here from, um, WC. Oh, right. Sorry.

00:58:16.600 Yes. Um, that's random name says they call us Nazis so they can get us killed. Uh, I call. 0.99

00:58:22.400 yeah okay well you keep doing what you do best random uh orchard for five dollars thank you

00:58:28.660 says uh when is someone going to start a rag called stand up there's a piece in my head

00:58:36.600 called being racist and i've been debating whether or not to write it and publish it

00:58:40.940 don't ah now i'm gonna do it stand up to racism we'll get that in the guardian and then that'll

00:58:47.160 getting the daily mail uh and then cranky texan for ten dollars says the financial regime uh

00:58:53.920 successfully made nationalism radioactive by associating it with nazism uh they're going to

00:58:59.140 try and do the same with sovereignty as well and a two dollar one from uh binary surfers just come 0.78

00:59:04.400 in saying if brendan o'neill neil uh did like someone i wouldn't trust them disgusting progressive

00:59:10.020 in a conservative slash centrist skin suit. 0.86

00:59:14.360 And yeah, I'll leave it there. 0.92

00:59:16.640 Other solutions are proposed.

00:59:18.300 Yeah, but we won't mention them.

00:59:22.160 So there's this weird trend going on globally

00:59:25.320 all over the Anglosphere, it seems.

00:59:28.000 Australia banned under-16s from accessing social media.

00:59:31.880 And now Canada and Britain are following suit.

00:59:35.280 The idea being that you're too impressionable

00:59:38.300 when you're under 16.

00:59:39.460 you shouldn't be on social media.

00:59:41.840 I have some sympathy with that as a parent,

00:59:45.000 but I don't think that this is what it is.

00:59:47.580 I don't think that they are really concerned about this.

00:59:53.920 So this one is...

00:59:55.160 It's gone to the very end for some reason.

00:59:57.220 There you go.

00:59:58.100 Okay.

00:59:59.760 And Keir Starmer did one of his

01:00:02.740 Hello Fellow Kids broadcasts.

01:00:05.360 This is a weirdly Rishi Sunak video.

01:00:07.460 which is hilarious like he's there's been a bunch of changes in his comms team recently yeah and so

01:00:13.660 they decided that he had to drop the suit and pretend to be one of the one of the kids and and

01:00:19.280 it's genuinely funny because every parent wants the best for their kids and that's what being a

01:00:24.960 parent means and for me for they're still trying to explain to him that smiling isn't the same as

01:00:31.900 showing teeth he's trying but you could see his actual facial expression and that's a very sad

01:00:42.500 this is not a relaxed man is it all I've ever wanted hand on heart is for them to be safe

01:00:48.380 and for them to be happy and the rest is up to them but you know I think back to when I was

01:00:56.140 growing up. And I have to say, I think we had it easier. These days, kids have to find their feet

01:01:04.480 in a world... Why? I almost spat my drink out. Social media, mate. I mean, is it social media

01:01:11.720 or is it because for every British youngster who's hired, there's 27 foreign workers hired?

01:01:16.800 Yeah. Which one is the actual problem, Kier? Which one's the actual problem? Social media.

01:01:22.920 that changes so quickly where technology intrudes into every area of their lives

01:01:29.060 so that's why we need digital passports so you can

01:01:31.300 the response from parents in the consultation has been absolutely clear

01:01:37.100 thousands of parents say their children are addicted to social media i'm sorry but that's

01:01:44.440 the parents jobs here and get phones yeah don't get them phones you have settings on your routers

01:01:50.360 you have all kinds of settings that you can use to block their access to social

01:01:54.500 media. This is an imminently solvable problem. It doesn't require what you're

01:01:59.740 proposing. It can leave them trapped in a cycle of endless scrolling that

01:02:05.100 displaces play, sleep and time with the family. It can harm their mental health.

01:02:12.320 I think a bunch of random stabbings on the streets and a bunch of endless

01:02:18.600 stories about kids being raped does some damage to mental health but the thing is i don't there's

01:02:24.400 no willingness to do anything about that well yeah i don't think he's wrong though but this is very

01:02:28.660 clearly him setting up the frame for that's why we're gonna have digital id and have the internet

01:02:33.520 totally controlled so that anytime anyone stands up or shares something we don't like we can give

01:02:39.140 them a knock we know exactly where they are and they will be completely within our control at all

01:02:43.560 times exactly and maven politic explains a few things that could have been done by the state

01:02:48.940 instead uh you know ban phones from schools totally agree simple simple reason give them

01:02:55.020 bricks if you need to be in touch with them give them brick phones but you don't need to be in

01:02:58.380 um so that's the thing you do but you don't need to be in touch with them like i went my whole life

01:03:02.020 at school without having a mobile phone because they didn't exist everything was fine you just

01:03:06.320 went to school then you went home it was fine it isn't that difficult it isn't that difficult

01:03:11.420 But he obviously makes a bunch of sensible solutions that can address this rather than imposing what's actually happening, which is digital ID by another name.

01:03:23.600 Because these same people aren't willing to use facial scans to identify whether or not migrants are lying about their age. 0.52

01:03:30.440 But they want to introduce them to teens.

01:03:33.080 But then if you're 15 and a half, the facial screen isn't going to be accurate.

01:03:38.880 You're going to have to present ID.

01:03:40.740 this is digital ID by another means. And you could see that this is political from pretty much

01:03:47.300 everything. First, Starmer in his video continues to say that this is based on the evidence and the

01:03:52.740 evidence and the evidence. Nonsense. The Australians ran this experiment. 60% of children are still

01:03:59.440 using social media. And pretty much nothing has changed. So the idea that even a ban like this

01:04:06.120 works no not really i mean personally i've banned smartphones for under 16s so it just wasn't an

01:04:12.280 option exactly you have an old like nokia brick that's it you can play like that snake game on

01:04:17.320 your phone you can text your mates to say meet me at the the skate park or whatever yeah you know

01:04:21.820 you don't get to use any of the internet on your phone that's what exactly no porn no nothing you

01:04:27.460 know no youtube nothing well i'm in i'm a big fan of droning only fans well sure that's a different

01:04:34.560 conversation for a different time um and as jess phillips explained in her resignation letter

01:04:41.280 part of the plan is to make sure that every single image on your phone is scanned

01:04:44.860 as a way of protecting children so that every time you take a photograph if you're

01:04:51.080 under 16 you know everything will be analyzed everything will be under government approval

01:04:58.280 the government having the ability to scan everything i mean god i've got a lot of memes

01:05:02.320 right yeah yeah i mean vault it's not obvious i don't know how many ai data centers they're

01:05:10.700 going to have to build as many as it takes but that is the direction of travel the direction

01:05:16.600 of travel isn't about keeping children safe it's about having software on every phone that scans

01:05:21.960 everything all the time this is the idea and the questions that are being asked is will you use

01:05:28.060 these powers more forcefully to start banning people for what they say on social media

01:05:34.200 never never never he would never consider this yeah uh and just continuing on the effectiveness

01:05:43.320 theme there is a bunch of ways around it there's it is clearly not an effective mechanism

01:05:49.840 to achieve the objective that they that they are saying is the objective it is a very effective

01:05:55.660 mechanism to gradually impose digital ID, which is something that he's against, that he's committed

01:06:01.100 to, even after the whole endeavor failed. And you can see that it's political because on the list

01:06:07.140 of apps that are excluded, Blue Sky is not. As it was in Australia. As it was in Australia,

01:06:13.440 because this is where the lefties live. Now, Blue Sky, according to this review of

01:06:20.420 apps for their safety on children.

01:06:25.600 Actually, it's a bit of a terrible one

01:06:27.280 in terms of child safety.

01:06:28.920 Parental controls is one star there.

01:06:30.860 Yes.

01:06:31.620 Also, they value two stars.

01:06:33.320 Exactly.

01:06:33.600 I don't see one star.

01:06:34.680 I mean, generally...

01:06:36.160 Five stars for predation, though.

01:06:37.380 This one rates them all badly.

01:06:39.920 This one rates them all badly,

01:06:42.240 all of the apps.

01:06:43.320 But Blue Sky is among the worst

01:06:45.740 of the badly rated.

01:06:47.880 And Discord isn't on that list

01:06:50.060 even though Discord has had scandals

01:06:53.100 about its permissibility with child pornography

01:06:56.800 and abuse for a very long time.

01:06:58.820 I don't let my kids use Discord?

01:07:00.480 Nope. Nope. Nope.

01:07:02.480 I mean, it would actually be really convenient for me

01:07:03.980 to keep in contact with my son if he used Discord,

01:07:05.740 because I use Discord for keeping contact with everyone I know.

01:07:08.600 But I'm not letting him have it until he's an adult.

01:07:10.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:11.240 And the stories about Discord are pretty old and keep on repeating.

01:07:14.840 And it's sort of well-known, but it's not on the list.

01:07:17.520 so and starmer admits that this isn't going to work he admits that this isn't going to work

01:07:25.260 but he says just because it's not effective it shouldn't be it that doesn't mean it shouldn't

01:07:31.280 be introduced but it's not about protecting kids but everyone knows it's not about protecting kids

01:07:36.080 exactly exactly about normalizing the government having total unrestricted access to everything

01:07:42.860 you do online and there's a lot of arab spring vibes to the whole thing there's a lot of desperation

01:07:50.820 sorry just a quick thing think about the um attack in belfast the other day they all came out and

01:07:57.400 said the problem is everyone got to see the attack exactly everyone's sorry we weren't regulating

01:08:02.540 hard enough which is just them saying we needed to censor this yes we didn't censor this now this

01:08:07.460 is a problem for us politically not the circumstances that allowed for the attack in the

01:08:11.060 first. Ooh, that was completely expected, Luca. I don't know why you'd think. Exactly. I mean,

01:08:16.400 the protests in Egypt kicked off on the 25th of January, if memory serves. And by the 28th,

01:08:21.440 they were cutting off the internet. But then Google and Twitter and Facebook all helped the

01:08:27.500 Egyptian protesters find ways around it, which is a different story that I'll be covering on Real

01:08:32.280 politic, actually, in the afternoon. But they all made sure, you know, that there were ways around

01:08:41.080 it, just as there are ways around it now. It just smacks of desperation. The Iranians did the same

01:08:46.720 thing. In 2008, they locked down the internet because of Twitter being the culprit then. The 0.99

01:08:53.180 State Department told Twitter to delay its maintenance work so that the Iranian protesters

01:08:58.700 could still access it.

01:09:00.440 So that was back in 2008.

01:09:03.000 That's how long their relationship is between them.

01:09:05.900 And in Iran today, they shut down,

01:09:09.040 like in the last month or so,

01:09:11.040 in the last couple of months,

01:09:12.060 they completely shut down the internet.

01:09:14.040 Ever since the war started

01:09:15.420 and the protests started actually,

01:09:17.260 when the protests started in late December last year,

01:09:21.960 they pretty much killed the internet.

01:09:23.860 And then they did it again when the war started.

01:09:26.540 So these are the vibes

01:09:27.880 that you're beginning to get from these people.

01:09:31.840 And the idea that Keir Starmer is doing it,

01:09:35.480 hello fellow kids.

01:09:38.040 I can't believe he's dressed like Rishi Sunak.

01:09:40.260 It's just really remarkable.

01:09:41.740 When I first saw it, I thought it was a hoodie,

01:09:44.140 but then I realized that's a collar.

01:09:45.800 Oh, is it not a hoodie?

01:09:46.800 All right.

01:09:47.020 I don't know.

01:09:47.440 It's not actually a hoodie, but he was...

01:09:49.300 It's not actually a Rishi Sunak patented hoodie.

01:09:50.680 Yeah, he's not going that far with it, but...

01:09:54.760 They go to the same Primark.

01:09:56.180 i shop at prime market there's nothing wrong with being cheap with the clothes that you buy

01:10:03.400 i don't think so either um but then the reaction from the political parties is a bit

01:10:08.160 weird because kemi bayernok came out fully in support

01:10:12.160 complete support from kemi leader of the office policy yes i can't believe the uni party agrees

01:10:20.140 of the uniparty about digital ID, right?

01:10:23.100 About digital ID, yeah.

01:10:24.060 Which goes to show you, you know,

01:10:26.940 whose can we be working for? 0.73

01:10:28.260 This is the uniparty.

01:10:29.700 This is Michael Gove.

01:10:30.840 He would totally approve of this.

01:10:32.500 This is what you're seeing here.

01:10:33.820 And smartphones for under 18s.

01:10:35.400 That's all you have to do. 0.73

01:10:36.360 Exactly.

01:10:37.480 Nigel comes up with a weird take.

01:10:39.720 It is well-intentioned.

01:10:42.240 Digital ID by the back door is well-intentioned.

01:10:46.020 I'll take them at their word, though.

01:10:47.700 That's what he's saying.

01:10:48.560 I'll say, oh, they're trying to protect children.

01:10:51.040 I just don't think it'll work.

01:10:52.740 But they're not just trying to protect children.

01:10:54.400 They're not interested in protecting children. 1.00

01:10:55.900 They're bringing in tens of thousands of foreigners 1.00

01:10:57.780 who they know will go on to commit atrocities against children. 1.00

01:11:01.620 They're not interested in protecting children.

01:11:03.300 They're interested in the digital ID.

01:11:04.480 Why take them at their word?

01:11:05.340 Because you're afraid of expulsion from the mainstream.

01:11:08.540 That's what you're afraid of.

01:11:09.520 Thereby, of course, you know, because I obviously agree

01:11:12.400 with the amount of time that the young children

01:11:14.260 are spending on their smartphones and everything.

01:11:16.020 But given that we know the exact reason why they're doing this, which is so that, you know, the kids who are growing up can't see the dangers that the establishment are putting into Britain, it's actually entirely the opposite.

01:11:29.100 It's the case of, no, we're going to implement this ban to make sure you are less informed about the dangers present to you.

01:11:36.860 And so in that way, it's actually endangering children.

01:11:39.220 Yep, obviously. And Nate makes the point that if this is what you're going to do, if you think this, pledge to ban it. Which, incidentally, is exactly what Rupert Lowe said. We're going to repeal that social media ban and let parents parent. What a strange idea.

01:11:59.900 But I thought then we could sort of go over some of the images that wouldn't be allowed.

01:12:05.780 And there is a global component.

01:12:08.600 Here's an example of it. 0.99

01:12:09.860 This sort of shows the bits and pieces that the Iranians damaged in the Middle East, which we only found out about from social media. 0.89

01:12:17.800 Eventually, when the story became so big, the Washington Post and CNN reported on it. 0.79

01:12:23.080 But before it became big, everybody kept quiet and complied with the line coming out of the military.

01:12:29.280 And we know that this is going to apply to Ukraine.

01:12:32.020 This is going to apply to pretty much every conflict.

01:12:34.240 It applies to everything.

01:12:35.220 Everything.

01:12:37.400 Again, another image here.

01:12:40.020 But it's also going to apply to what's happening in Britain.

01:12:43.040 Not just the various stabbings, but here we see a father being arrested and his child being locked up with him.

01:12:51.060 Yeah, I saw this.

01:12:52.260 This is actually mad.

01:12:53.320 Now, there's people who are saying that this is a knife in front of him.

01:12:58.880 I don't know if this is a knife or not,

01:13:02.840 but these might be the kinds of images.

01:13:06.380 Sorry, why are we arresting the five-year-old, though?

01:13:08.740 Like, why are we perp-walking the five-year-old?

01:13:12.260 It's hard not to make a meme out of this,

01:13:14.060 like me sending my kids to bed after they've been naughty. 0.96

01:13:18.080 Like, you know, but it's kind of ridiculous. 0.80

01:13:20.680 Like, what are you doing as a five-year-old? 0.96

01:13:22.460 Yeah.

01:13:22.620 and you see them here basically smashing a protester's head into a pole oh my gosh and

01:13:34.000 the pole getting dented they only treat the white working class like this they'd never treat minority

01:13:39.680 community like this never uh there were some rumors that the guy had died or been seriously

01:13:44.740 injured it seems that he's actually okay thankfully but these might be some of the

01:13:50.460 images that they don't want you to see uh they might not want you to know that they've locked

01:13:55.480 up tommy robinson on terrorism charges oh i saw john cleese coming out to defend tommy robinson

01:14:04.140 of all people like john cleese like did he stab someone like no obviously not i mean

01:14:11.820 it's just insane they they took his phone and under the terrorism act you have to

01:14:18.720 you don't have a right to silence which is insane yeah compelled speech exactly which is absolutely

01:14:25.880 insane you don't have the right to keep silent that itself leads to a criminal offense and you

01:14:30.900 have to give them full access to your electronics meaning that everybody he's in contact with

01:14:36.020 everybody's leaking stories to him has to be exposed so presumably that's the kind of story

01:14:42.600 they wouldn't want you to see uh they wouldn't want you to see this story Siobhan White the uh

01:14:49.320 mother of uh Rhiannon White uh had the this one we're going to hear the audio for it because it's

01:14:55.960 unbelievable the leftists were basically screaming that Rhiannon White had it coming

01:15:02.100 Jesus for anyone who doesn't remember Rhiannon White was working at a migrant hotel she went

01:15:08.860 to get the train home 1.00

01:15:09.640 and then a migrant 0.97

01:15:10.400 stabbed her in the face 0.97

01:15:11.440 28 times 1.00

01:15:12.440 with a screwdriver

01:15:13.000 and she died 1.00

01:15:13.700 in the eyes

01:15:15.260 and in the skull

01:15:15.980 and things like that

01:15:16.660 it was truly awful

01:15:17.660 savage

01:15:18.100 and then he went home

01:15:18.920 and had a barbecue

01:15:19.520 with his mates

01:15:20.120 after buying booze

01:15:21.960 after buying booze

01:15:22.620 yeah

01:15:22.760 from money

01:15:23.580 that was given to him

01:15:24.360 by the state

01:15:24.820 yeah

01:15:25.180 you just swept the door

01:15:30.000 yeah

01:15:32.660 car 1.00

01:15:34.040 The police toss her to the ground.

01:16:00.300 May I just say one thing about this as well,

01:16:02.440 which is the fact that Siobhan has been one of the few people

01:16:06.660 who, after one of these horrible incidents that has happened,

01:16:10.400 has not kowtowed to the establishment messaging, right?

01:16:14.820 When the Raikou interventions and the Home Office interventions...

01:16:18.620 She didn't say, don't look back at her.

01:16:19.900 Right, which makes her an infinitely braver person

01:16:23.780 than everybody there harassing her.

01:16:26.680 And you'll notice that Keir Starmer met with the families

01:16:29.000 of the other victims.

01:16:29.900 Yes.

01:16:30.240 And not with her.

01:16:30.860 He met with all of them, but not with her.

01:16:34.480 And neither did the leader of the opposition.

01:16:37.500 Neither did anybody else.

01:16:39.060 They've been treating her like a pariah.

01:16:40.340 Neither has Nigel Farage, yeah.

01:16:42.060 They've all been treating her like a pariah.

01:16:46.100 Sorry, am I going the wrong way again?

01:16:47.920 Yes, I am.

01:16:50.740 And then you see some of the consequences of that. 0.99

01:16:53.760 Three YouTubers operating in Northern Ireland 0.99

01:16:56.860 have been arrested. 1.00

01:16:57.940 Oh, really?

01:16:58.300 for simply reporting on the riots that took place there

01:17:03.960 after the attempted beheading of Stephen Ogilvie.

01:17:11.780 And you keep seeing these endless stories of the police

01:17:17.940 being just insanely power-mad and brutal. 0.79

01:17:23.600 Towards the white working class. 0.95

01:17:24.900 Towards the white working class. 0.99

01:17:26.200 whereas when a group of black rioters show up and are tearing a bunch of stores apart 1.00

01:17:31.540 it's all hands take the knee it's time to take the knee or when it's muslims coming out with 0.99

01:17:38.560 weapons leave your weapons at the mosque so the story keeps on repeating they might not want you 0.85

01:17:45.120 to see these kinds of images.

01:17:47.440 Run, run, run, run.

01:17:52.420 Why are they...

01:17:54.100 I don't know how the interaction began

01:17:57.760 or what happened.

01:17:59.440 It's possible that the police are justified,

01:18:02.520 but there were many other cases

01:18:05.540 where the police would have been justified

01:18:07.400 to use a lot of violence.

01:18:08.780 They just refused to do it.

01:18:11.200 And the reason that they're trying

01:18:13.480 to ban social media for kids

01:18:14.980 is because the kids are getting radicalized.

01:18:17.360 This is a clip from Ed Dutton.

01:18:19.760 He's interviewing somebody anonymous, basically.

01:18:23.500 And, you know, his research is

01:18:26.760 actually the kids want to vote reform

01:18:28.460 because they think this is a terrible state of affairs.

01:18:33.020 They want to protest against it.

01:18:35.040 They've been, as you said in your segment, Luca,

01:18:38.280 they've been hammered by government messages for years,

01:18:41.640 all of their lives, and it's just not working.

01:18:44.400 and then on those ones

01:18:46.900 that it did work

01:18:47.740 they've gone to the Greens

01:18:50.260 so reducing the age

01:18:53.140 of voting, 16

01:18:54.180 has not been the success Labour thought

01:18:56.860 it was going to be to keep them in power

01:18:57.960 and unlike previous generations as well

01:19:00.680 this isn't mere

01:19:01.780 young counter-culturalism

01:19:05.260 this has actually become

01:19:06.900 a matter of life and death

01:19:08.300 because the establishment have made it so

01:19:10.860 yes

01:19:11.500 And you could see the actual logical conclusion of this, which is simply mass data collection under the rubric of protecting children online.

01:19:22.240 The ideas behind it are to just maximize the amount of data collected about each individual in the same way that happened in the United States after the Patriot Act,

01:19:33.460 in which, you know, GCHQ was a full-on partner

01:19:38.380 and in some cases an external contractor

01:19:41.480 doing the dirty work of the Americans

01:19:43.420 that they couldn't do domestically.

01:19:45.700 And the idea is to have total surveillance

01:19:49.520 over the system.

01:19:51.760 Over the entire population.

01:19:53.160 Over the entire population.

01:19:54.480 Over the entire population.

01:19:56.800 In the name of digital safety.

01:19:59.360 and uh this is inseparable from the contracts with palantir because the purpose of palantir

01:20:08.040 which as i will explain was initially cia funded and cia uh supported is to just have

01:20:15.960 total tracking of all of your digital activities so the more legislation they impose in this way

01:20:23.460 oh no we're just trying to protect the kids no no it just means they can watch everything that

01:20:28.760 you're doing and integrate the data in full. Your cell phone pings in Makerfield on a Saturday,

01:20:35.580 that identifies you as an extremist. Palantir then goes through all of your digital profiles,

01:20:42.740 identifies who you are. This can get sent to the relevant government agencies. Next time you fly,

01:20:50.180 if you have any kind of high profile, you're labeled as a terrorist. Your phone is taken.

01:20:55.500 it's fully scanned all of your contacts are identified rinse and repeat you build a perfect

01:21:01.660 picture of the opposition yeah i'm sure tolkien would have been all for that and you're using

01:21:07.000 one of the names from his world building i mean and we i mean to be honest with you yeah it's

01:21:12.360 communication devices yeah it really is i mean you know it really is and not only that it's linked

01:21:20.640 up with the police yeah and with the police databases and you have the telegraph coming out

01:21:25.640 with articles defending palantir sadi khan did one thing right he canceled the contract with

01:21:30.860 palantir yes i noticed that but he did that mainly to make sure that there was no data about

01:21:35.240 black and minority yeah i was gonna say i wouldn't it wasn't you know i wouldn't even be that opposed

01:21:40.560 to this if i thought they would actually catch criminals with it but i know they won't exactly 1.00

01:21:44.560 I know, they're just going to persecute the English with it.

01:21:47.000 Exactly.

01:21:47.420 It's like, I'm not.

01:21:47.920 Exactly.

01:21:49.080 And then it gets linked up to all of your data and all of your NHS data and pretty much every interaction with a government that you have so that, you know, you have the right opinions, your benefits can be cut, essentially.

01:22:03.320 And as state dependency increases, state power over you increases.

01:22:07.540 And that's the idea.

01:22:08.780 to reach a conclusion where the only opinions that you get are from Raikou essentially so for

01:22:17.620 anyone who doesn't know what this is this is their research information and communications unit

01:22:21.220 and they're the ones who are providing the boilerplate statements about how we don't want

01:22:27.260 to inflame community tensions we don't want the far right seizing on yet another brutal murder or

01:22:34.080 mutilation of a British person by an immigrant and how we shouldn't look back in anger and

01:22:38.760 actually everything's fine. Exactly. Exactly. And so this is just an insane overreach, 0.98

01:22:49.960 grasping for more power and for more control, but they're only doing it to protect the children.

01:22:55.280 And you're supposed to believe that they're well-intentioned? Thanks, Nigel.

01:23:04.080 ridiculous yep sigil stone says charl harmer starmer banning kids from social media is proof 0.93

01:23:11.000 horseshoe theory is real but leaving the grooming sites open is peak lefty uh yeah yeah yeah 0.94

01:23:16.000 absolutely yep uh carl is just worried that is this new law would mean that his meme folder

01:23:26.020 if it helps there's a very old uh very old law

01:23:30.100 but no seriously i am worried that i'll get in trouble for the memes i've got because i'm

01:23:36.640 opposed to the british government yeah i mean this is just arresting people for filming protests

01:23:44.700 is a bit insane that's mad and if they arrest them on the terrorism act that means that they

01:23:50.320 can compel them to reveal all the information that they have and so it's just total state control

01:23:56.940 bear in mind as well that you know it was um state oppression of protesters if i have the history

01:24:01.980 right that you know basically with the peter lou massacre you know in the early um georgian period

01:24:07.660 and that leading to the creation of the guardian from as far as i know so from what i it's been a

01:24:14.580 while since i might be wrong about that but yeah the idea that it's like so that led to you know

01:24:19.720 the birth of a very famous left-wing paper and it's like and now all of a sudden but the protesters

01:24:25.720 are protesting for the wrong things so you get more persecution i think the guardian was supportive

01:24:31.380 of this uh i could be wrong i can't imagine how they could find themselves not supportive

01:24:37.000 anyway we better crack on uh sure do we have a video comments harry

01:24:42.080 another comment the surveillance state cannot be stopped the people in charge of surveillance are

01:24:49.160 unelected government organizations going off grid in a hobbit house is looking better the older i

01:24:53.980 get no they will come to the shire the whole point they've already told you they've told you

01:24:59.500 they're going to diversify the shires what do you you don't get to hide in the shire no that's that's

01:25:04.420 not an option there won't be a shire pippin yeah okay thanks for the flight stick

01:25:10.140 who do the hosts think will be the next u.s president i think the question is will

01:25:25.440 the next u.s president make a difference given that trump has failed to make a difference

01:25:30.720 and that's that's the actual yeah question i have really so um some context for this uh thomas

01:25:38.840 one of the editors gives me a lift into work every day right and he doesn't ask for any money

01:25:43.080 and we were having a chat the other day because he likes playing this helicopter game right and

01:25:47.800 he was saying that the flight stick had broken so i bought him a new one and apparently it's

01:25:51.580 quite a nice one i don't know i don't play these games yeah i bought a new as a thank you for

01:25:55.260 samian and that's him playing the game oh cool footage very cool i used to deal a lot with

01:26:01.860 collective incentives at work and that's pretty clear to me what we're seeing now with the

01:26:06.320 response to Belfast, Southport, Privy State, etc.

01:26:08.600 We're going to have these mini-rides more or less every time something happens now.

01:26:11.880 Why? 0.82

01:26:12.260 Because the democratic system privity was a group-level incentive structure that encouraged

01:26:16.940 the average person to use the brick to build with and not to throw.

01:26:21.220 Those incentives have now flipped entirely.

01:26:24.240 And collectively, groups always conform to the incentive structure over time.

01:26:29.840 Yeah.

01:26:30.020 And for some reason, the British state can't bring itself to flip the incentives back.

01:26:34.200 So it leaves you with no choice.

01:26:35.540 Yeah, pretty much.

01:26:36.320 hey hello to Cedars I just want to give a quick update about the California elections so um the

01:26:44.720 reason why everyone in the era than all the Normans in California are talking about it is because

01:26:49.920 there was a measure on the ballot that raised our taxes and everyone who voted didn't vote for it

01:26:56.480 but all the mail-in ballots close to like 90% of them voted yes for it and nobody remembered

01:27:06.080 voting for that for it well that's not sauce i'm actually surprised they'd put tax rises on the

01:27:15.060 vote you'd expect to lose that handily but i suppose i'm not in control of the mailing voting

01:27:20.260 well after last week's service of black pills i figured i'd send you a white pill

01:27:27.140 sitting here in the sunroom

01:27:29.940 enjoying the evening

01:27:32.120 and remembering

01:27:35.060 it's the 40th anniversary

01:27:38.060 of Echo Company

01:27:40.120 Long Range Surveillance Unit

01:27:42.340 Yes, that's right, Bo

01:27:44.020 a LERP team

01:27:45.700 from the 1980s

01:27:47.420 Very cool

01:27:50.580 I didn't get that reference, to be honest

01:27:52.060 Looks like a peaceful time as well, Michael

01:27:53.820 Yeah

01:27:54.380 Me and a buddy decided to go over some old school textbooks

01:27:58.020 and this is the literal globalist textbook we both studied

01:28:00.680 and right off the bat know the Mott and Bailey technique

01:28:02.640 they used to frame the Overton window.

01:28:04.200 The main body of text is a pro-globalist argument

01:28:06.400 whereas the balancing counter-argument is a pro-social justice leftist position.

01:28:10.220 We then cap it off with this paragraph explicitly stating

01:28:12.800 that Canada is now a pluralistic society dependent on immigration

01:28:15.720 and that these groups are actively encouraged

01:28:17.720 to keep and maintain their cultures and languages.

01:28:20.700 Framing this as a positive that this somehow empowers the average person

01:28:23.700 to express their individuality by furnishing themselves

01:28:26.260 with these diverse aesthetics.

01:28:27.840 It's remarkable what they said in broad daylight

01:28:29.980 now that we have the eyes to see it.

01:28:32.220 The thing is, I think these would have been published

01:28:35.520 in the 90s, and back then you just didn't know

01:28:37.960 what that really meant.

01:28:39.520 You were like, okay, well, if there's 5% of people

01:28:42.340 in the country, you're like, we have our little identities.

01:28:45.060 You'd be like, okay, so what?

01:28:46.420 You didn't realize there'd be 35% of the people

01:28:49.000 in the country like that.

01:28:50.360 That didn't seem to be on the horizon.

01:28:52.620 so you couldn't really be expected to understand the consequences.

01:29:15.140 See, it's a wicket one.

01:29:22.620 that looks wonderful yeah yeah going to the isle of white was it grand day out yeah um okay is that

01:29:35.800 the last of the video comment sorry great thank you mate uh okay i'll just read uh one or two

01:29:40.500 comments from my segment as russian garbage human says was out filming on saturday notice that every

01:29:45.860 reform group of canvassers had a token indian or african with them it's as if they were rationed 0.76

01:29:51.500 between each group are the shield of the racism allegations. 0.98

01:29:54.820 I believe it.

01:29:55.320 Yeah, I believe it too.

01:29:56.520 By the way, Russian, thank you for your help whilst I was around there.

01:29:59.880 Really appreciated it.

01:30:01.900 And I'll just read one more.

01:30:03.460 We've got Henry.

01:30:04.580 Yeah, so there's one from Henry here.

01:30:06.320 Why doesn't this random local want to appear on camera?

01:30:08.380 Maybe it's got something to do with the Daily Mail running smear campaigns

01:30:10.640 and calling everyone nuts.

01:30:11.720 Yeah, perfectly put.

01:30:13.000 Perfectly put.

01:30:14.240 And Luke Robinson says,

01:30:16.260 Labour spent the last few weeks telling us not to politicise the tragedy.

01:30:20.160 now they want to ban social media uh they're reaching into a vault and showing uh various

01:30:25.240 teen don't know if i can say that word on here uh saying look at uh this we need this ban yeah

01:30:31.940 that's that's also true okay um do you want okay and from your segment carl uh jimbo g says even

01:30:40.260 the names of the parties are a tell would you rather try to reform the unreformable or would

01:30:45.480 you rather to restore our dignity absolutely uh geordie swordsman says it's very obvious what

01:30:51.440 happened in callum's case uh they looked at him still mistook him for zelensky and decided we can

01:30:57.960 start calling the azov battalion nazis again very very funny brilliant and uh then do you just want

01:31:04.760 to read one or two from yours for us yeah sure okay uh dreadnought logan says remember when

01:31:10.920 nepal band discord then they had a revolution yeah yeah yeah yeah the zoom and nepalese

01:31:16.460 discord uprising up the uh nepalese zoomerwaffen didn't they have the election on discord that's

01:31:22.580 my candidate they did uh arizona desert rat says i have an idea what about parents be parents and

01:31:31.480 not give phones to their kids until they're old enough to use them appropriately yeah i'm with

01:31:36.200 you i am actually just totally in favor of a smartphone smartphone ban for under 18s yeah

01:31:40.360 yeah makes sense you don't need an unlimited internet access on your phone no just and

01:31:45.320 because the thing is like oh we should just parent is a is an easy thing to say but actually if your

01:31:50.480 kid has a smartphone it's actually very difficult to restrict what they can actually see because

01:31:54.660 there's always ways of getting around whatever barriers and stuff but if you don't have that

01:31:57.700 smartphone then it's just not an issue it's solved definitely baron von warhawk says we will move

01:32:03.760 heaven and earth we will bring the full force of the state to keep you from complaining about

01:32:07.660 terrorists and rapists but we will never ever ever do anything to stop attacks and rapes so true

01:32:13.660 it's so so true yeah it's unfortunately true right there's no other explanation right

01:32:18.740 no no there's really no other explanation um right firas do you have a real politique at three sir

01:32:24.760 yes i do i do we're talking a little bit about the merger between technology and big brother

01:32:30.480 and then talking a little bit about uh the iran deal that has been announced uh yesterday so

01:32:37.020 So, yeah, half an hour.

01:32:38.380 I'll see you there.

01:32:39.040 Wonderful.

01:32:39.480 Join Firas there.

01:32:41.240 Firas, Carl, thank you for joining me.

01:32:42.660 And I hope you've enjoyed the show, ladies and gentlemen.

01:32:45.060 Enjoy the rest of your day, and we'll see you back for the podcast tomorrow.

01:32:48.120 Take care.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 15, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1440

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