The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1441

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Podcast of the Lotus Eaters. It is episode 1441. I'm joined by Stelios and

00:00:06.880 Nate. Hello chaps. Hello everyone. Oh it is 16th of June, Year of the Lord 2026. So today we're 0.97

00:00:15.880 going to be discussing the Totally Not Rent Boys controversy, how the Japanese are culture-mogging 1.00

00:00:24.100 everybody and how youtubers are embarrassing hollywood so that sounds good doesn't it yeah it 1.00

00:00:30.300 does excellent right so with that um chaps do you remember the story um that all that that period of 0.84

00:00:38.020 time where we thought the the the rent boys might have been um burning gistarm's back door well yeah 0.95

00:00:45.860 back door was blown in didn't he they're absolutely aflame that was the story

00:00:51.020 let's get things straight first right out there were they actually ran boys or not no no it turns

00:00:57.840 out turns out they weren't okay no no and and to set us straight because lots of people online

00:01:03.500 thought this case closed next segment pretty much pretty much i mean there is a bbc article um which

00:01:09.780 which completely blows out the water all these completely ridiculous allegations against the

00:01:14.360 prime minister complete nonsense apparently so uh the bbc uh and they did this thing where you know

00:01:20.400 they like to address a story by, you know,

00:01:25.380 this went up on the front page this morning for about three minutes

00:01:28.580 and is now buried.

00:01:31.260 But I managed to find it by searching.

00:01:34.020 So very briefly...

00:01:35.440 You'd think that actually this would be round-the-clock news.

00:01:39.000 I mean, Russia targeting the Prime Minister.

00:01:41.940 Russia tried to take out the Prime Minister.

00:01:44.600 That's, I mean, wars have been...

00:01:46.620 Well, exactly.

00:01:47.360 We should be in thermonuclear war right now.

00:01:50.200 But for whatever reason, no front page.

00:01:52.960 It's gone.

00:01:54.020 It's gone.

00:01:54.520 Not at all.

00:01:55.420 Yeah.

00:01:55.720 So I'll take us through this article because this is, frankly,

00:01:58.640 one of the most remarkable articles I have ever read.

00:02:02.420 Can't wait.

00:02:02.860 Regale-less.

00:02:03.720 Yeah.

00:02:04.020 I copied it out because I wanted to highlight because it's a 5,000-word article.

00:02:10.800 Oh, they didn't mess it around.

00:02:11.500 Someone really liked the topic.

00:02:13.400 Well, they did.

00:02:14.260 They did.

00:02:14.760 So let's go through this article to find out the truth

00:02:17.200 of what happened at Keir Starmer's back door.

00:02:22.300 Or was it his front door?

00:02:23.260 I can't remember.

00:02:24.220 It was one of those.

00:02:25.200 OK.

00:02:25.620 So the article goes,

00:02:27.740 even after he set fire to Keir Starmer's house,

00:02:30.480 Roman whatever rich, 0.86

00:02:32.600 convicted on Monday of conspiring to commit arse on, 0.97

00:02:36.940 seemed to know as much about the prime minister 0.96

00:02:39.820 as a bullet knows about his target.

00:02:41.300 So basically, this guy didn't seem to know anything.

00:02:42.740 He'd never heard of the prime minister.

00:02:44.640 Didn't know him at all.

00:02:46.020 That's weird, because he lives in Britain, doesn't he?

00:02:48.080 Yeah, and he's got an anonymous handler, we find out.

00:02:51.640 His anonymous handler goes by the initials EL.

00:02:55.620 And EL, apparently, so as we understand now, EL...

00:03:00.860 Not his pimp?

00:03:02.140 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:03:03.400 Okay, all right, sorry.

00:03:04.440 EL basically got in touch with these two male models and said,

00:03:07.900 look, why don't you attack the home of a very high-ranking person in Britain?

00:03:11.980 and these guys were like yeah sure right they want to live life in high gear left 22 ukraine

00:03:20.380 22 year old ukrainian builder he's a builder apparently not a male model even though he even

00:03:25.260 though it was widely reported in the press that he was a both of them were in fact male models so

00:03:32.200 there's loads of articles from from the establishment press saying look these guys are

00:03:35.740 uh male models uh look there's the link of um of this guy on one of these apps where

00:03:41.620 if you're a if you're a um you know if you're a london barrister and you know it's it's late

00:03:48.240 on a saturday night and you suddenly need the services of a young boyish wayfish male model

00:03:54.660 you can get one and as the advert well i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm inferring i mean presumably the the

00:04:03.480 the male modelling needs of powerful men

00:04:05.600 must be met somehow.

00:04:07.060 Touche, touche.

00:04:08.160 And apparently it's done through these apps

00:04:09.660 where Roman says here,

00:04:11.400 I'm a beginner male model.

00:04:12.980 I'll be interested in taking any work.

00:04:15.960 Okay, okay.

00:04:17.180 £20 per hour.

00:04:19.140 Yeah, but he then goes on to say,

00:04:21.020 get in touch for what you specifically want

00:04:23.640 and we'll talk about the money then.

00:04:24.880 It's the first job without a fee, apparently.

00:04:27.760 Yeah, that's very generous, isn't it?

00:04:30.020 Maybe he wasn't paid £20

00:04:32.700 and say, hey, let's burn the...

00:04:34.400 Yeah, maybe somebody tried to skimp him on £19

00:04:36.840 and that's why he got a bit...

00:04:39.120 Give me £19.99, I want £20.

00:04:41.560 But this article,

00:04:42.660 our investigation has found the arson attack

00:04:45.120 was just one part of an extensive campaign

00:04:47.640 of sabotage, provocation and lies

00:04:49.780 leading all the way to the Russian state.

00:04:52.140 Sorry, sorry, sorry. 0.95

00:04:53.240 No, it's the Russians again.

00:04:54.300 Sorry, the BBC's investigation. 0.89

00:04:55.920 The BBC's investigation has found...

00:04:57.840 Where's the police's investigation?

00:04:59.840 Ah, well, the end of the article

00:05:01.520 mentions what the police has to say about all of this.

00:05:04.520 Oh, right.

00:05:05.140 But the BBC have determined...

00:05:06.240 Surely you bleed with that because there's a case and it's all...

00:05:09.900 Yeah, but what does the police know?

00:05:11.520 What does the police know?

00:05:12.360 Well, I tell you, it's a long article,

00:05:14.160 so let me plough through some of this stuff.

00:05:16.280 The handler, EL, who directed this guy,

00:05:19.100 offered Russian citizenship in return for other attacks 0.60

00:05:22.660 and glorified Putin, they have discovered. 0.84

00:05:25.780 We have identified evidence suggesting that EL

00:05:29.220 is a young Russian diplomat

00:05:31.120 schooled in information warfare

00:05:32.740 by spies and propagandists

00:05:35.140 who is close to the highest levels of power in Moscow.

00:05:39.060 His name is Evelyn Lulenshkin, or whatever.

00:05:43.160 He is 23 and the son of a senior official, right?

00:05:46.820 So the evidence,

00:05:47.780 bear in mind,

00:05:48.660 this is as tight as the evidence gets.

00:05:50.680 The evidence that they've got 0.90

00:05:52.740 that EL is a high-ranking Russian

00:05:56.560 is because he shares initials. 0.62

00:05:58.860 Brilliant.

00:05:59.220 are you sure you're they're reading it well because it sounds like spanish it's like l

00:06:05.500 like you say el chapo el gato yeah it could be it just could be el pimpo couldn't it it could

00:06:10.160 just be the el gimbos accounts based in russia posted lies about the motive for the arson attack

00:06:20.800 targeting kia starmer which was spread by far right anti-islam figures tommy robinson's tommy

00:06:27.540 robinson has been brought into this for some reason i'm not entirely sure why i'm surprised

00:06:31.820 they didn't go real name steven yaxley lennon hold that thought it's just the second paragraph i'm

00:06:39.040 sure they'll bring mother theresa this is a this is a long article chap so they got they got time

00:06:43.600 there um oh we got a bit of fact here uh because most of this article is is is not based on anything

00:06:49.680 other than we say so but they've got a fact here uh so i highlighted it it's worth talking about

00:06:56.180 The first fire last year occurred when a Toyota,

00:06:59.520 previously owned by the Prime Minister,

00:07:01.240 was set ablaze in North London.

00:07:03.360 There were two more arson attacks,

00:07:05.080 one at the entrance to flats where Keir Starmer used to live

00:07:07.900 and another at an entrance to his house,

00:07:10.320 which has been rented to his sister-in-law

00:07:12.140 after he moved to number 10.

00:07:14.280 So the Russian intelligence service

00:07:17.060 don't know which car the Prime Minister drives

00:07:21.260 and where he lives.

00:07:22.780 Yeah, or same.

00:07:23.540 There must have been some budget cuts at the Kremlin.

00:07:26.320 Well, also, this implies that they'd been tracking him for years

00:07:30.520 and assumed that he would become a high-ranking official.

00:07:36.080 Well, indeed, yes. 0.66

00:07:37.660 That's prophetic, isn't it, of the Russians?

00:07:40.300 Well, yeah, except when he actually became Prime Minister, 1.00

00:07:43.700 they said, yeah, we've got enough now.

00:07:46.140 We're not even going to keep our files updated on where he lives.

00:07:49.240 That's weird, isn't it?

00:07:50.180 Or what car he drives.

00:07:51.620 That's weird. 1.00

00:07:52.000 So Russians are really letting themselves down.

00:07:54.340 In fact, reading this article, you come to one conclusion,

00:07:59.600 which is the Russians are really, really bad at doing espionage.

00:08:03.180 I mean, famously, they're just bad at, you know, KGB hasn't got a reputation.

00:08:07.040 Could it be that Keir Starmer really knows how to hide his track?

00:08:10.920 Who?

00:08:11.540 Keir Starmer.

00:08:12.880 Well, no, no, Keir Starmer is faultless.

00:08:14.500 He's our dear leader.

00:08:16.120 In court, the handler referred to as El Money,

00:08:19.320 which, like you say, could just be Spanish for the money.

00:08:22.000 But no, it's clearly, it's EL, which is the same initials as this lad in Russia, so therefore it must be him.

00:08:28.240 And Russians definitely, you know, there's no common surnames in Russia either.

00:08:32.120 No, no, no, no. No, of course not.

00:08:35.460 Which is now saved in leveraging his phone, but on the Telegram messaging app, he simply used the initials L.

00:08:42.840 The app was where EL recruited this guy, Larinovich, to find him in a group for Ukrainians seeking work in London.

00:08:51.380 Okay, what kind of work were they seeing?

00:08:52.740 Any work.

00:08:54.280 El posts jobs in groups for Ukrainian

00:08:57.980 asking for painters to do graffiti in London.

00:09:01.660 But some other chat groups,

00:09:03.420 he used deeply offensive Russian terms for Ukrainian people.

00:09:06.600 So he was able to recruit this Ukrainian chap

00:09:08.740 by being deeply offensive to him, 0.94

00:09:10.100 but offering some work doing some graffiti or something.

00:09:12.240 Okay, fine.

00:09:14.360 And then there's a bit where they tell us that, 0.53

00:09:17.100 oh yeah um um basically this el he's always running attacks on ukraine as well okay there

00:09:24.080 we go also el gave hints about his identity offering russians and other telegram groups 0.98

00:09:29.980 access to documents from netto and the cia right this look reads like a really stupid story 0.89

00:09:36.840 yeah no no no no no no no guys guys guys this is the bbc may i remind you yeah the bb

00:09:43.900 brilliant yeah pinnacle of truth everybody believes the bbc beacon of authenticity in fact let's i'm

00:09:51.140 gonna i'm gonna prove you two wrong let's put up samson can we put up a poll yeah to see if people

00:09:57.240 agree with the in fact should we say um um do you agree with the bbc and your choices can be

00:10:03.020 generally agree yes you can shorten that to gay if you want to just for just for space or or not

00:10:10.120 g-a-y and we see what people think um whether that whether every honestly it will come back

00:10:15.920 i think people will vote that they're not g-a-y no no no people will 100 choose g-a-y because

00:10:22.400 everybody everybody everybody in this country believes the bbc and this story is faultless

00:10:27.900 um the group sought to appear as an organic british creation so apparently this guy was

00:10:33.900 running something called direct action was created by online russian operatives to cause division

00:10:39.920 amongst ordinary people in the UK. 0.99

00:10:42.400 And I have to say, that rings true. 0.98

00:10:44.560 If it wasn't for this Russian propaganda, 0.97

00:10:47.540 there would be no division amongst the people of the UK. 0.70

00:10:50.580 No, definitely not.

00:10:51.900 And probably the Earth.

00:10:52.960 Direct action first appeared online in autumn of 2024 0.53

00:10:56.560 after the riots that followed Southports and murders.

00:11:00.740 How the hell is that?

00:11:01.700 It's propaganda exploited images from the Discord.

00:11:04.860 And that's the thing, right?

00:11:05.620 At the time, I remember being really upset about Southport

00:11:09.480 about those little girls being murdered

00:11:10.900 and a lot of people seem to be upset.

00:11:12.980 It turns out we were actually only upset

00:11:15.560 because the Russians made us upset. 0.99

00:11:17.220 Right, yeah.

00:11:17.580 It wasn't the brutal murder.

00:11:19.560 No, it wasn't the brutal hacking apart

00:11:22.560 of three little girls

00:11:23.580 and the mutilation of a whole classroom

00:11:26.080 of other girls,

00:11:27.100 many of whom have had their life ruined.

00:11:29.200 It wasn't any of that.

00:11:29.960 And the state's lies.

00:11:31.780 It was LPR covering it.

00:11:33.640 It wasn't that.

00:11:34.540 But no, it turns out it was Russia. 0.68

00:11:36.520 Okay.

00:11:37.460 So here we go.

00:11:39.480 um slogans so this direct action group i mean they're really nasty they've been putting out

00:11:44.480 slogans such as re-migration and stop islam again because nobody in britain would would have any

00:11:54.540 truck for things like re-migration people in britain definitely have got no no reasons

00:11:59.900 no no reasons to to not be favorable to islam definitely not no no no manchester was a psyop

00:12:07.280 and they definitely don't want remigration,

00:12:09.340 it's just the Russians making us think that. 0.99

00:12:11.200 Definitely, yeah. 0.93

00:12:11.820 It's not like we've got decades upon decades

00:12:14.320 of people voting against them.

00:12:16.040 No, it's Russia. 0.67

00:12:17.340 Russia's been playing the long game. 0.59

00:12:18.800 They have. 1.00

00:12:19.500 I mean, it's quite scary when you realise 1.00

00:12:21.660 just how much of Russian life, 1.00

00:12:24.540 sorry, British life is being directed. 0.58

00:12:26.020 Also, I see this little thing, that picture there.

00:12:28.360 What is that?

00:12:29.160 BDL?

00:12:30.060 Is that the British Defence League?

00:12:31.540 Isn't that...

00:12:32.140 That was a creation of... 0.97

00:12:33.560 Oh, that's probably Russians as well. 0.97

00:12:34.680 of that uh that that woman i can't remember her name oh yeah yeah that was that was a creation

00:12:40.560 of her on a bbc propaganda site wasn't it yeah it was something they dreamed up yeah funny but

00:12:45.760 so what have we found a link uh the article the article doesn't say that but you may have spotted

00:12:52.880 something new yeah even direct actions apparent support on the ground were fake and only existed

00:12:59.500 because it paid people to act sure man yeah sure when larinovich himself carried out actions for

00:13:06.280 l he did so for financial reasons the court heard not because he shared direct actions ideology now

00:13:11.720 obviously nobody believes in this stuff nobody believes in remigration or stopping islam or

00:13:15.680 anything like that yeah for them oh and look they bring the heavy guns to prove that this article is

00:13:20.900 legit oh great they're going to cite hope not hate anti-racist organization hope not hate

00:13:26.740 investigated direct action

00:13:28.920 and reported its concerns to counter terror police in February,

00:13:32.860 months before the arson attack relating to the Prime Minister.

00:13:35.940 Hope Not Hate concluded the Russians were behind the group. 0.98

00:13:39.200 Brilliant. 0.99

00:13:39.740 Well, I mean, they famously made up acid attacks, didn't they?

00:13:45.340 So, not actually going to believe Nick Lowell's, to be honest.

00:13:48.800 He's still not been investigated for that.

00:13:51.000 Oh, you're right.

00:13:51.980 Hope Not Hate did completely make up acid attacks.

00:13:54.820 Yeah, literally just openly admitted to it as well.

00:13:58.020 He just made it up.

00:13:59.800 Okay, so that one time, he just completely fabricated it.

00:14:04.640 But I'm sure this time...

00:14:05.860 Yeah, sorry, yeah.

00:14:07.220 Because, anyway, if that's not enough for you,

00:14:10.280 we've got Telmama as well.

00:14:12.640 Telmama, a group which monitors anti-Islam hate,

00:14:15.640 also passed evidence to counter-terror police

00:14:17.800 and concluded that direct action appears to be a Russian operation.

00:14:21.300 So you've not only got Hope Not Hate,

00:14:23.500 But you've got Telmama confirming that this is a Russian operation.

00:14:27.960 Well, there's definitely no vested interest there, is it?

00:14:31.280 Telmama's got no vested interest in saying that, you know,

00:14:34.600 Brits absolutely love Muslims and they definitely know no disc... 0.96

00:14:37.940 And hopefully what they should do is completely knock on the head

00:14:41.520 the idea that the organisations like Hope Not Hate and Telmama

00:14:46.120 are basically just British state, deep state cutouts.

00:14:49.600 Even though base...

00:14:50.460 No, they're not.

00:14:51.280 I can't say that, yeah.

00:14:52.260 They're definitely not.

00:14:53.180 So then we got loads and loads of stuff about this, you know, Russian op and about, yeah.

00:14:59.580 Hate leaflets.

00:15:00.480 Hate leaflets, all that kind of stuff.

00:15:02.220 Where were they printed?

00:15:03.140 Do you know?

00:15:03.700 Do they know?

00:15:04.760 Like I say, it's a very long article.

00:15:06.440 Very long article.

00:15:07.040 Has that just been photoshopped on there?

00:15:09.460 That's not actually on the brick, is it?

00:15:11.060 No.

00:15:11.520 The person who spray painted it had a very fine tip spray paint.

00:15:17.000 Have they actually framed that as a legitimate image?

00:15:20.020 How is that?

00:15:20.500 That's not an image.

00:15:22.200 You can't.

00:15:22.640 What?

00:15:23.180 but graffiti artists

00:15:24.660 in this country

00:15:25.300 are incredibly

00:15:26.060 famously known for

00:15:26.800 Arab

00:15:27.040 incredibly precise

00:15:28.020 yes

00:15:28.420 what

00:15:29.320 is that actually a thing

00:15:30.660 I don't know

00:15:31.480 I didn't look at that

00:15:32.480 that cannot be real

00:15:33.400 but this article

00:15:34.280 is so legit

00:15:35.120 I don't know why

00:15:35.760 you're questioning

00:15:36.280 any part of it

00:15:37.320 right so there's loads

00:15:38.720 and loads of stuff

00:15:39.320 oh here we go

00:15:40.020 I'm going to have to

00:15:40.280 Google that

00:15:40.740 we got a photo

00:15:42.160 of Nick Lowell's

00:15:42.920 just in case you were

00:15:44.180 doubting any aspects

00:15:45.180 of this

00:15:45.560 brilliant

00:15:45.920 Nick Lowell's 0.95

00:15:46.980 disagenic freak 0.96

00:15:48.360 that he is 1.00

00:15:48.980 disgusting 1.00

00:15:49.740 absolute traitor 1.00

00:15:51.600 fifth columnist 0.83

00:15:52.540 oh this is

00:15:53.080 this is a good bit get jettisoned out of a cannon when we win sorry what uh one lie spread on social

00:15:58.780 media by russian-based accounts became particularly well known that the three ukrainian suspects were

00:16:04.700 sex workers with the implication that the fires were the result of a personal sex scandal

00:16:11.400 yeah well i mean we can't that's that's a fake that's lies well that's obviously not true

00:16:19.640 well because they've just said it well the bbc the bbc have explained that it's not something

00:16:25.700 incredibly simple like um you know a couple of sex workers with a grudge it's actually a vast

00:16:31.740 russian conspiracy yeah so they weren't sex workers they just they just uh think that

00:16:38.040 pillow biting is part of being a spy you know this guy he wasn't a sex worker and this guy

00:16:42.840 on this app here saying um yeah i'm a male model and you can hire me yeah he definitely wasn't a

00:16:48.040 sex worker you know the psychology of lies is actually um the more elaborate the the more

00:16:54.680 elaborate the story the higher propensity of it being a liar but that definitely apply to the bbc

00:17:00.060 in this case i wouldn't say that this 5 000 word article which is you know because the again the

00:17:06.140 the psychology of a lie is that you sort of over explain it and get into over details about it

00:17:11.080 because in an attempt to convince people that you're telling the truth rather than just going

00:17:16.180 I don't know about that.

00:17:18.240 All I know is that I believe the BBC

00:17:21.680 and I love and respect our dear leader, Keir Starmer,

00:17:25.580 and I do have to say that because otherwise I'll be arrested.

00:17:28.900 Yeah, that is true, actually.

00:17:31.020 It was all untrue.

00:17:32.860 The suspects did not know the Prime Minister personally

00:17:36.120 and they were not sex workers.

00:17:38.700 And we're taking the BBC's word for it.

00:17:43.020 The BBC have said it.

00:17:44.640 Well, you know what?

00:17:46.180 Case closed.

00:17:47.500 Yeah, and they've got 5,000 words here.

00:17:49.660 So, you know, you can't write 5,000 words of pure fabrication.

00:17:54.920 But the lie was taken up by Tommy Robinson,

00:17:58.200 the very person who had been promoted by direct actions.

00:18:02.300 Robinson's, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley.

00:18:04.860 Oh, they got it in there.

00:18:06.020 They broke, you know when the BBC are bringing the big guns

00:18:10.220 because they give Tommy Robinson his full name.

00:18:12.560 They don't do that for anything.

00:18:14.360 They don't do that like 20 times a day.

00:18:16.640 No, only when they want you to take something really seriously

00:18:19.600 do they remind you what his real name is. 0.92

00:18:23.000 Claimed on X that Keir Starmer had been banging Ukrainian male sex workers.

00:18:28.560 I'm reading, this is not my opinion, Keir Starmer.

00:18:31.840 This is just me reading from the BBC.

00:18:34.220 Sorry, I lost my place. 0.84

00:18:35.600 Claimed that Keir Starmer had been banging Ukrainian male sex workers

00:18:39.480 and posted a fake image of the Prime Minister with the suspects. 0.58

00:18:43.620 You know what?

00:18:44.920 I mean, it could have been the reverse,

00:18:46.100 but it's all a lie anyway, so.

00:18:48.700 I'm telling you now, next time I see Tommy,

00:18:51.320 I'm going to be, I'm going to be,

00:18:54.120 I'm probably going to,

00:18:55.820 I can hardly get the words out.

00:18:57.240 Viscical anger.

00:18:58.900 I'm just going to have to say to him, look.

00:19:00.280 Lie to everyone.

00:19:01.320 I'm just going to have to say, look,

00:19:03.200 I'm not even angry about the milquetoast

00:19:05.960 civic nationalism anymore.

00:19:07.520 You're just disappointed.

00:19:09.400 I'm angry that you called into question

00:19:12.040 the name of Keir Starmer, our dear leader.

00:19:16.160 Why would you do that, Tommy?

00:19:17.600 Keir Starling cannot be questioned.

00:19:19.020 Sorry, Keir Starmer.

00:19:21.800 These attacks fit the pattern of a wave of Russian-backed sabotage

00:19:25.820 which has hit you over the past five years,

00:19:28.320 targeting Ukraine and its allies,

00:19:30.020 from explosions on railway lines to firebombs on planes destined for the UK.

00:19:35.660 So let me just get this straight, BBC.

00:19:38.220 When was there a firebomb on a plane? 0.67

00:19:39.900 when when the russians when that happens when the russians want to take out

00:19:46.420 don't remember when the russians want to take out infrastructure or they want to

00:19:50.900 demolish a train or a plane what they do is they call up male models right well they're the they're 0.97

00:19:59.360 the most obvious facts well it's like i don't know what is this crap it's a zoolander conspiracy 0.88

00:20:08.620 it's like mr mugato is behind it funny funny you mentioned that um let me let me just play this 0.72

00:20:15.780 because i i think that you're doubting uh chaps and and this is obviously real so this is this

00:20:21.380 is from the film zoolander the doctor keir starmer likes to accidentally call things documentary i'm

00:20:26.440 going to accidentally call this a documentary so why male models think about it derek

00:20:31.480 male models were genetically constructed to become assassins they're in peak physical condition

00:20:37.480 they can gain entry to the most secure places in the world

00:20:43.520 and most important of all models don't think for themselves they do as they're told that is not

00:20:51.560 true yes it is derek okay yeah think about any right so there you go i mean you you mock

00:21:02.320 no you're right sorry case closed you know if the russians want to take out a train line

00:21:07.340 male models are clearly the uh the the guys right we've got we've now got this ukrainian analyst

00:21:13.520 who's going to explain it's easy for russians this way because it discredits all of ukraine

00:21:17.500 in the eyes of our partners in european countries says vitally sova senior investigator because of

00:21:23.560 course what why would why would a ukrainian be working with the russians because the line is

00:21:29.460 is that ukrainians are 100 united and it's totally not a civil war of three regions against the rest

00:21:35.980 against kiev yeah no the ukrainians are totally unified people yeah and it's and it's definitely

00:21:42.900 definitely not a civil war yeah yeah and especially given if uh get giving into consideration bearing

00:21:50.000 into consideration the fact sorry era 404 a lot of ukrainians went back to fight

00:21:56.380 whereas the both sides these haven't yes yes i mean uh calum's been to been been out to um

00:22:05.820 being out to russia or formerly the bit that was formerly ukraine and he says yeah this is maybe

00:22:09.880 that was an underground op yeah so um so let's get to the bit where we we clinch um the that it's

00:22:20.160 it's this el guy um so we have identified a member of the russian elite associated with a with the

00:22:27.460 Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ivana Guy Lugensky,

00:22:32.000 whose initials EL match.

00:22:33.920 So the evidence is that this guy has the same initials as this.

00:22:39.340 And then it goes further, you see,

00:22:40.860 because this guy who they've managed to match the initials to

00:22:44.400 is the son of a diplomat.

00:22:47.360 And here he is in a photo behind his father.

00:22:49.140 So this guy is the son of a diplomat who works for Sergei Lavrov

00:22:54.160 and therefore it's this guy

00:22:58.620 because the initials match

00:22:59.940 and it links to Sergei Lavrov

00:23:01.940 because his dad works a Sergei Lavrov.

00:23:05.520 I can just picture at the BBC head office 1.00

00:23:07.460 this like dysgenic looking freak 1.00

00:23:10.780 down in the basement

00:23:12.600 literally just staring at a wall for days

00:23:16.180 with like pins at it

00:23:17.780 and little ropes going off,

00:23:19.380 connect it, I step back.

00:23:21.600 I'm asking peace, I've done it.

00:23:24.000 Case solved.

00:23:25.980 I am trying so hard not to get put in jail, Nate.

00:23:30.160 So hard.

00:23:31.220 We believe the BBC here.

00:23:32.860 I do.

00:23:33.740 Well, I do.

00:23:34.940 I do.

00:23:35.480 I believe the BBC.

00:23:37.540 A picture posted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

00:23:40.140 shows him standing behind the Deputy Foreign Minister,

00:23:44.020 blah, blah, blah, at an event in Moscow in February.

00:23:46.820 It's old then.

00:23:47.540 That's it.

00:23:47.900 And where Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave a speech.

00:23:51.720 um lushkin 23 is the son of a russian diplomat who previously served as the counselor at an

00:23:59.240 embassy in denmark i said denmark's implemented uh implicated they are because read on read on

00:24:05.400 oh they are so because this guy whose initials match is the son of a diplomat who served in

00:24:12.740 denmark this means that lulenski's father lulenskin's father was in europe potentially

00:24:20.700 with access and foreknowledge to sensitive documents this accords with the telegrams

00:24:27.080 post by air which state he had access to nato and cia documents so because sorry not that

00:24:33.120 sensitive because it was out of date information so what what we what we're going with here

00:24:39.520 is that this guy

00:24:41.000 whose initials match

00:24:42.280 this other guy

00:24:43.160 his dad

00:24:45.540 was working in Denmark

00:24:47.180 so potentially

00:24:48.520 the Danish

00:24:50.480 passed CIA

00:24:52.160 and NATO documents 0.56

00:24:53.880 over to this Russian

00:24:55.040 who then passed it

00:24:56.580 to his son 0.92

00:24:57.380 to avenge Greenland

00:24:59.520 potentially

00:25:00.240 it is possible

00:25:02.620 in all conceivable universes

00:25:04.700 that this could have happened

00:25:05.600 I've lost brain cells

00:25:06.840 listening to this

00:25:07.520 it gets better

00:25:08.780 because now we need to establish that this young guy is, in fact, a spy.

00:25:12.060 And how are we going to do that?

00:25:13.020 We're going to say Lukshin, or whatever his name is,

00:25:16.600 had been training at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations.

00:25:20.900 And they then tell us a bit about this school.

00:25:22.640 What kind of relations?

00:25:24.640 International relations.

00:25:26.020 Backdoor relations.

00:25:27.160 No, international relations.

00:25:28.820 Can there be a subset?

00:25:29.500 By the backdoor.

00:25:29.960 Can there be a subset?

00:25:31.160 Guys, by the front door.

00:25:32.700 No, no, no, no, no.

00:25:34.360 By the front door.

00:25:35.060 um it's it's not international relations doors are not relevant here doors are not relevant

00:25:41.120 all we know is that this young kid relevant to the ukrainian this young kid whose initials match

00:25:46.140 went to a school in moscow and then there's a bit about this school and then they say

00:25:50.680 that from the same school emerged this guy who was exposed as a spy in the west oh that case

00:25:58.220 closed then so sorry so this kid guilt by association no no this kid went to a school

00:26:02.940 with another kid who was a spy he's clearly a spy oh yeah sure i don't know i believe you

00:26:10.960 sorry i believe you the bbc the bbc say so yeah i believe you this guy with the same initials

00:26:16.720 went to the same school as a spy and therefore right um oh and there's another guy who who went

00:26:23.880 to this school and became a spy so so basically it's spy central this you know this this university

00:26:30.140 in moscow i mean spy schools are notoriously um transparent about what they do so i mean it makes

00:26:37.000 sense well i mean you what what you wouldn't hide it would you clearly what you do is you just you

00:26:41.140 just have a major university in moscow and everybody who joined up would be a sky would

00:26:45.600 be a spy yeah because you know you'd want them easily traceable all of those words right all

00:26:51.140 of those words here's your spy degree exactly basically what they're saying isn't it so this

00:26:56.300 massive long article um and at this point they have to introduce we do not know if this guy is el

00:27:05.000 right so why are you writing all this yeah but but but hang on still the initials match

00:27:12.900 so they don't actually also part of my name so that yeah but they don't actually they don't

00:27:17.940 actually know did i actually put it put them no they don't know if this guy is this guy

00:27:22.980 and they do have to admit

00:27:25.140 that they have no idea

00:27:26.360 if this guy is this guy

00:27:27.200 but the initials do match

00:27:28.480 so I mean come on

00:27:30.360 come on

00:27:31.020 think about it

00:27:31.540 and for some reason

00:27:32.300 I don't know why

00:27:32.860 maybe it's a coincidence

00:27:33.860 that they just put it there

00:27:35.000 in the end

00:27:35.540 yeah

00:27:36.960 where almost no one reads

00:27:38.400 well hang on

00:27:38.960 we've got to hear from

00:27:40.240 Ben Wallace now

00:27:40.960 oh great

00:27:41.780 we set out the evidence

00:27:43.000 so the evidence

00:27:44.740 the evidence of our assumptions

00:27:46.420 the evidence of our assumptions

00:27:48.020 and conjecture

00:27:50.320 and probably

00:27:51.020 and possibly

00:27:51.720 and this guy

00:27:52.680 was in a photo with this guy

00:27:54.240 who might have been in a room

00:27:55.780 with Sergei Lavrov.

00:27:58.080 Ben Wallace doesn't...

00:27:59.160 May have shared a port-a-loop

00:28:00.780 at one stage.

00:28:01.920 Ben Wallace does not mess about

00:28:03.260 with this stuff.

00:28:03.940 Oh, of course he does.

00:28:04.600 He comes out and says,

00:28:05.800 look, launching attacks on the...

00:28:07.900 Let's have a photo of Ben Wallace.

00:28:09.380 Ben Wallace, who has been there for...

00:28:12.740 This guy's been calling for

00:28:14.060 World War III with Russia forever.

00:28:16.480 Ben Wallace says,

00:28:17.360 launching attacks on property

00:28:18.680 linked to the UK Prime Minister

00:28:20.160 was a change of policy

00:28:21.320 that would not have come from a low-level individual.

00:28:24.460 It would have come from the very top. 0.66

00:28:30.720 So who in the Russian... 1.00

00:28:33.340 That has an innuendo, something.

00:28:35.400 Who in the Russian state is above Sergei Lavrov?

00:28:39.340 Oh, Putin.

00:28:40.340 It's Putin, isn't it?

00:28:41.500 I see him.

00:28:42.020 So Putin was watching Zoolander 0.73

00:28:45.220 and he realised that male models are what you use 0.67

00:28:49.700 to carry out terrorist operations all across Europe.

00:28:52.900 And he said to Sergei,

00:28:54.900 I want you to go and find one of your diplomats

00:28:58.500 and don't tell him to do it.

00:29:00.140 No, don't tell the KGB.

00:29:02.560 Don't tell trained operatives.

00:29:04.760 Don't send Russian special forces,

00:29:06.900 the Spinitsa or whatever it is.

00:29:08.400 Don't tell them to send the KGB.

00:29:09.780 I want you to find a diplomat

00:29:11.440 who you once were in the same room with

00:29:14.140 and then go to his son 0.93

00:29:16.240 and get him to post on gay model sites 0.89

00:29:21.080 using his own initials 0.98

00:29:24.780 for an op to take out the Prime Minister.

00:29:29.280 Oh, mate, this is...

00:29:30.220 And it came from the very...

00:29:31.300 Putin came up with that himself.

00:29:32.980 Ben Wallace has told us.

00:29:33.880 I mean, you have to actually see the plausibility there

00:29:38.080 because the power bottoms flew under the radar

00:29:41.940 and they left them gazed and confused.

00:29:44.520 So, I mean...

00:29:45.520 We're not going there, Stelios.

00:29:46.740 No, we're not.

00:29:47.240 Why?

00:29:48.140 Because we love our prime minister in this country.

00:29:50.860 OK.

00:29:51.260 We love our prime minister.

00:29:52.280 And BBC is heavily respected.

00:29:54.360 Now, so all of these words with this absolute slam-dunk evidence.

00:30:02.400 Yeah, I mean.

00:30:03.180 Slam-dunk evidence.

00:30:04.840 We now get to the bottom of the article. 1.00

00:30:06.580 And bear with me, chaps, while I just read this bit out,

00:30:08.520 because this is slightly unfortunate for the BBC article.

00:30:12.440 they then spoke to commander helen flanagan of the head of counterterrorism police and she said

00:30:18.900 police have not been able to prove the identity of l or who he was working for and we've got no

00:30:24.100 evidence to suggest this was a state-backed threat brilliant so 5 000 words ends in oh and

00:30:32.680 the police haven't actually got any evidence for any of this but but the bb but the bbc have been

00:30:40.180 able to determine it all by themselves dan um right maybe if you trust um keir starmer and the

00:30:47.160 bbc the question arises yes why is the police counter-signaling this is the police infiltrated

00:30:54.900 by putin's bottoms it's it's it's well they must be i mean yes i mean they they managed to get um

00:31:01.680 you know this this guy to go along with it in the courtroom i mean but obviously um you know the

00:31:07.180 these 22 year old

00:31:08.540 former male models

00:31:09.720 Ukrainian male models

00:31:11.360 in a foreign country

00:31:12.520 banged up in jail 1.00

00:31:14.440 there's no way

00:31:15.340 that the deep state

00:31:16.100 could have got to these guys

00:31:17.160 they did time in Bangla

00:31:18.740 no

00:31:19.240 so

00:31:20.420 so

00:31:20.760 so

00:31:21.200 so

00:31:21.740 you know

00:31:22.260 they went along

00:31:23.300 with this whole narrative

00:31:24.140 and so

00:31:24.760 it must therefore

00:31:26.740 do we have the results

00:31:28.280 of the poll

00:31:29.240 Samson

00:31:29.700 do we know

00:31:30.280 if the audience

00:31:31.280 are believing the BBC 0.98

00:31:33.520 uh there we go there we go so the audience is for intents purposes gay yeah they they

00:31:43.380 well it's not gay it's it's a joke no do you believe the bbc people 66 percent of people

00:31:49.460 two-thirds of people say they generally agree yes with the bbc i was going up live in fact 0.95

00:31:55.960 people that people are just flooding in that they're gay alive yeah gay has got a strong

00:32:00.820 so this is what i mean more for you guys this is what i mean people in this country they believe

00:32:05.960 the bbc they believe that they believe our dear leader um and and one other thing we are going to

00:32:11.180 have to have a bit of a word with um chraz because he put oh i did no he didn't go against the grain

00:32:17.560 did he unfortunately did go against the bbc because he's been a geopolitical analyst for

00:32:22.440 years and he put out this long post basically explaining why this makes absolutely no sense

00:32:27.940 whatsoever so someone in the chat says sergey even brilliant yeah so in the in the interest

00:32:36.740 of time i won't i won't read the whole france tweet but you you can find it there look look

00:32:41.440 for uh you know laconic look for france mudad and he's got this whole long tweet where he explains

00:32:47.040 why it doesn't make any sense but he's got this other one here which is a tldr um he basically

00:32:52.500 says look this works as an op if the rent boys are caught and if they're caught they risk exposing

00:32:59.480 themselves as Russian agents how does Russia benefit from this it makes zero sense on the

00:33:05.200 other hand incompetence is a global phenomena so so you have to believe which I do obviously

00:33:10.640 because I respect Keir Starmer and I believe the BBC you have to believe that the KGB is just 0.68

00:33:15.920 remarkably incompetent and they farm out their infrastructure attacks and assassinations

00:33:22.060 to male models like in the film zoolander right i speaking of trusting the bbc i want to show you

00:33:31.320 something from the bb yeah yeah of course uh he's just straight in there stelios you're too keen

00:33:37.620 mate i can't i can't see i can't see the comments there we go uh all right uh tom says congratulation

00:33:46.200 hopes not hates new research hire candace owens uh oklador says these writers have uh better spy

00:33:52.320 thrillers than hollywood sigil stone says but why male models well the zoolander clip answered that

00:33:58.140 and um one tall order says uh okay kia the rent boys are here oh that's very kind of lord manderson

00:34:05.300 send them over kia um actually the note says thank you very much putin no they weren't they weren't

00:34:11.880 rent boys we've just established that that's a random name says so young men like angloid

00:34:16.360 supporting re-migration and neo-nazis yet re-migration is a russian psyop which is it

00:34:21.120 that's a good question um and um fortunate barber says uh brothers imagine leaving the bbc story

00:34:29.040 it's so convoluted it's incredible some might say amazing that it's ever got written no

00:34:33.740 the bbc is legit that's our line here um yeah and actually the bbc is really good

00:34:40.520 in teaching people in teaching people things you can get informed and you can also learn new skills

00:34:48.440 from the bbc like this one that i really want to share with you uh it's important to to learn new

00:34:55.600 languages uh you know in a sense fun think how other people think because it's interesting do

00:35:02.580 you speak nay what the hell am i looking at uh that's the bbc dan it's your favorite uh yeah

00:35:09.060 or nay what is it it doesn't matter it doesn't matter the energy is right so okay so i want to

00:35:21.740 show you this from you it's from the i don't want to see this this is dan you just this is where you 0.98

00:35:27.960 just exposed us to a segment where you sang the bbc's praises for 30 years karma is a bitch 0.68

00:35:34.420 right we heard you speak english german and nay yes can you teach us some nay 0.82

00:35:40.840 yes what would you like to say um i'd like to say hello my name is annie yeah okay

00:35:46.900 yeah come on i don't know how to do that

00:35:53.500 what is this thing why is it on my luckily that's not my segment i just wanted to share this is that

00:36:02.080 or does somebody actually go into a studio like that she's a horse called annie okay

00:36:08.940 and the bbc platformed her because why not oh god damn right okay so let us focus on

00:36:16.400 the segment where are my notes here they are also my links are there on the screen but

00:36:23.540 for some reason i want to have my notes here we are going to talk about how the japanese

00:36:28.500 have culture-mogged everyone and we are...

00:36:31.540 Was that completely unrelated to this segment?

00:36:33.580 Yes.

00:36:36.580 Fair enough.

00:36:40.980 I just wanted a filler or something.

00:36:43.500 That is good, good, good.

00:36:45.760 We should start doing that more often.

00:36:46.600 I just couldn't stop laughing when I watched this

00:36:49.240 and I wanted to share with you all.

00:36:50.600 If I knew that I could just drop BBC Pidgey

00:36:53.360 and articles randomly into my segment.

00:36:55.380 Apparently you can now.

00:36:56.040 I'm going to do that.

00:36:56.800 I mean, it's a good idea.

00:36:59.860 Just, you know, I'll keep it very brief.

00:37:02.180 But, I mean, if sometimes we have fun things to share with the audience

00:37:05.480 that don't make a segment, we can just put in a minute or two just fun.

00:37:10.460 I like it. It's good.

00:37:10.900 Tell us in the chat if you like this, if you think.

00:37:13.880 Right, okay.

00:37:16.220 We're going to talk about how the Japanese have culture marked everyone,

00:37:19.540 and we're going to draw a contrast.

00:37:22.280 How the Japanese fans reacted in the World Cup.

00:37:26.800 And how the fans of the Knicks reacted when, after 53 years, they won the first position.

00:37:34.740 Good-natured celebration, I would imagine.

00:37:36.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:36.840 They actually celebrated really well.

00:37:39.020 Was it like Paris?

00:37:40.400 Yeah.

00:37:41.600 Paris burns every 10 times per day.

00:37:46.320 So, yeah, that's exactly.

00:37:47.660 So, we are going to talk a lot about this.

00:37:49.760 So, let us focus on the Knicks situation first.

00:37:53.580 congratulations to the Knicks for their massive victory at the NBA finals. They won their first

00:38:01.960 championship title since 1973, which actually is a big win. 53 years, 53 long years. And people

00:38:11.600 had a very, they wanted to express their satisfaction with the outcome. And what's

00:38:18.540 more sensible than burning down your city right so new year what assaults yeah it's all part and

00:38:28.040 parcel of it oh we had assaults we had stabbings shooting trifecta yeah trifecta of celebration

00:38:35.240 isn't that how normal people celebrate isn't that the norm of western societies the knicks

00:38:41.400 is a is a is a basketball team from new york is it yes right um and and what sort of demographic

00:38:49.160 i'm not gonna go into the etymology because i'm never getting a career afterwards what sort of

00:38:54.520 demographic is gonna end what sort of demographic is into basketball in new york um i know you you'll

00:39:02.280 see the videos right okay you'll make your mind for yourself there's a visual answer to that is

00:39:07.400 Yeah, but it's more diverse than you'd expect.

00:39:10.520 Right.

00:39:11.120 Look at this thing here.

00:39:14.740 Right.

00:39:15.940 Look at the physiognomy on them.

00:39:18.380 God.

00:39:19.340 I like how they constantly fail a physiognomy check.

00:39:23.520 Right, okay.

00:39:24.240 Here we see people on a school bus because they hate the school bus.

00:39:30.080 What is that doing at night?

00:39:31.500 Let's look at how they proceeded to celebrate.

00:39:35.160 Let's look at this.

00:39:36.560 Why is that out at night?

00:39:39.560 I don't know, but there's a guy there with the always nicks.

00:39:43.560 He is kicking the windshield.

00:39:45.560 He is acting tough, but he's basically...

00:39:49.560 There's no muscle there.

00:39:51.560 That's not...

00:39:53.560 Is he on on me again?

00:39:54.560 Yeah.

00:39:55.560 You see them just vandalizing the school boss.

00:39:58.560 The others are awake, coming in.

00:40:00.560 I often wonder what goes through their minds when they just break stuff.

00:40:04.560 I'm so happy, I'm going to smash things up.

00:40:07.860 That presupposes that they do possess a mind, a functioning mind.

00:40:11.920 Touché.

00:40:14.120 Good retort.

00:40:16.900 Here we see the New York subway, because also there's no reason to celebrate just on the streets.

00:40:22.260 You can celebrate on the subway as well.

00:40:24.840 And the New York subway is definitely an ecosystem of its own,

00:40:29.680 having all sorts of forms of life.

00:40:31.340 Let us look at it.

00:40:34.560 just oh just oh you know if i they're just tearing each other's hair fascinating behavior

00:40:43.200 yeah you're expert right i know this is absolutely horrendous i really dislike

00:40:50.160 how these people are acting let's look at this here this uh a vandalism has taken place

00:40:55.840 That's right, Scooter.

00:41:00.960 Yeah, they're basically essentially vandalizing.

00:41:05.760 Now, one thing I will say here is that hooliganism is an issue for decades.

00:41:11.600 We know this. It's not the first time.

00:41:13.600 And it would be hypocritical of me to suggest that this is the first time.

00:41:17.920 But one thing that I do find here is just bear in mind that they have won.

00:41:23.440 Their team has won.

00:41:25.840 and also um i will say this this definitely they wouldn't be doing it if they thought they were

00:41:32.740 going to pay for it if they thought that the the way to celebrate was burning their money

00:41:39.380 i think they would stop celebrating by burning you suggesting that these people are not net

00:41:43.940 not net taxpayers um yeah i'm explicitly stating it right they're not net taxpayers and i suppose

00:41:51.800 I suppose they've got to worry about Democrat DAs

00:41:55.380 who never do anything to anybody on their side.

00:41:59.820 Oh, that's brilliant.

00:42:00.740 Just engine running, petrol.

00:42:03.980 Oh, my God.

00:42:04.820 Yeah, there's like, I mean, I know there's scenes

00:42:07.020 from a Mad Max universe where the war boys are about 0.51

00:42:10.240 to revere V8 there.

00:42:13.200 Don't know if it's a V8, by the way.

00:42:15.140 Probably not.

00:42:15.860 I don't think how this might be.

00:42:17.480 Right.

00:42:18.900 What?

00:42:19.220 Here, also, they're jumping up and down.

00:42:21.800 losing their mind on a cab, they're smashing it.

00:42:28.360 There is a certain trend on pigmentation there, Dan.

00:42:33.480 I know that you were questioning this.

00:42:39.000 Melanin content, doesn't it? 0.81

00:42:40.280 And also here, they are vandalizing a police vehicle.

00:42:44.840 As you do, why not?

00:42:46.360 Yeah, because that's how it's normal to celebrate in the West nowadays, sadly.

00:42:51.800 but one thing is that this sends across a message of impunity and i'm honestly i have a really low

00:42:58.800 tolerance threshold well i just look if you're not going to be civilized you don't belong in

00:43:04.380 civilization actually expelled yeah yes i i really like this i mean it's really short and sweet it's

00:43:10.840 to the point if you are uncivilized you do not belong yeah civilization and again i mean hooligans

00:43:16.680 exist everywhere. But the problem here is that we are sort of being told, we are bombarded with the

00:43:23.360 message that this kind of impunity is the new normal, something that we have to accept because

00:43:29.360 something bad happened in the past. And because something bad happened in the past, it gives an

00:43:34.320 excuse for everyone to burn down New York and every other Western city. And I believe that this

00:43:40.320 is a very pernicious ideology and the Democrats are really... So because something bad happened

00:43:46.320 to you in the past that gives you an excuse not just a year not then to another group to your

00:43:52.040 group in the past definitely not then well the worst thing that i can imagine is having a couple

00:43:56.140 of nuclear bombs dropped on my head yeah so how did the japanese respond the japanese have responded

00:44:03.060 in a different way and actually this is why uh we love the japanese here in this show

00:44:09.480 because they are proud of their culture

00:44:12.560 and they show others how orderly and clean

00:44:18.140 and actually normal they can be while respecting their culture.

00:44:21.920 Here is them celebrating, actually, not even a victory,

00:44:25.780 a party with the Netherlands.

00:44:27.700 They are rushing into the middle of the street.

00:44:34.760 When it was empty.

00:44:36.220 When it was empty, jumping up and down.

00:44:38.160 and when the green light is going to switch on,

00:44:42.620 they're going to go back and allow the cars to cross.

00:44:47.040 They aren't going to vandalize the cars.

00:44:49.000 They aren't going to burn them.

00:44:50.180 They aren't going to smash their windshield

00:44:52.800 or loot their engine parts.

00:44:57.060 It's a way of saying they belong to a collective.

00:45:00.960 They identify with that collective.

00:45:02.800 And they run out just as fast as they run in to clear the road.

00:45:05.380 Yeah.

00:45:05.840 and i think that this is this is much more community this is what community cohesion

00:45:11.940 does to you this is what community cohesion looks like for the country which raises some questions

00:45:18.260 you have an expectation of one another and everyone everyone knows exactly what this is

00:45:22.220 high trust as well everyone knows what everyone is going to do yeah this is the way to behave

00:45:26.380 yeah we're going to run it i'm going to do this that's orderly nice cool and then we're just going

00:45:30.240 Which raises a question, and I'm not blaming the Knicks here. Let me just say it out loud. I'm saying that there have been people in these celebrations who used these celebrations in order to vandalize New York and their city.

00:45:51.300 And I think essentially that means that they don't identify with their city.

00:45:56.360 They don't identify with New York.

00:45:58.400 They don't see themselves as American.

00:46:00.620 They don't see themselves as New Yorkers.

00:46:02.620 Now, maybe I will get people in the comments tell me that New Yorkers celebrate by destroying

00:46:07.460 New York.

00:46:08.860 I don't know.

00:46:09.660 Maybe there are some people who are a bit more weird in that respect, but I highly doubt

00:46:15.780 it.

00:46:15.900 I think, in fact, what we're looking at is a culture of impunity.

00:46:21.300 I don't think that if people connected consequences with their actions, they would vandalize.

00:46:29.600 I think that this is a massive problem.

00:46:33.940 And I really detest the fact that throughout the Western world, the progressives are trying

00:46:40.340 to say that this is the new normal.

00:46:42.160 This is what you should accept.

00:46:43.400 You should just accept the politics is the micromanagement of decline, and you can't

00:46:49.140 have what japan has because because because human rights because it's the human rights of some

00:46:56.940 people to just burn the your city down and it's their human right to have access to your wallet 0.70

00:47:05.780 because they are definitely not paying for it here we have uh japanese people cleaning up their

00:47:10.980 trash this these are this is a traditions that they do have for decades she says here they they

00:47:22.500 for them in their mind it's an issue a token of respect for players for the stadium they consider

00:47:27.620 it an honor to be there and they think that being a responsible human being is something that they

00:47:34.440 take pride well no so that so that that i mean that that's that's the the sort of culture and

00:47:39.140 outlook we used to have right and people still do obviously right perfectly articulated we're

00:47:45.180 honored to be here yeah so you you respect the space because it's not a given you're not entitled

00:47:50.280 to it yeah if if you don't respect the space you don't have access to it yeah and and it's it's

00:47:55.320 really simple isn't it you know it's the attitude of now the attitude is well we just can't have

00:48:00.020 nice things and we just allow ourselves to not have nice things because certain demographics

00:48:04.760 in society i can give it i can give a clear example just completely destroying things when i had young

00:48:08.660 kids and i was still living in london i didn't stay in london very long but there was like this 1.00

00:48:12.780 church nearby that did a play thing on a on a sunday morning and it would be a very mixed group

00:48:18.740 who turn up and then after the playing was done the the church guy would say can everybody help

00:48:24.620 us tidy up and suddenly um only one demographic was left tidying up the other one the rest of

00:48:31.480 the demographics didn't stay and tidy it up yeah right but one thing to say here is that there is

00:48:38.260 obviously something deep here we've spoken about it before but i want to stress it again and

00:48:43.260 especially i want to stress it again these days because we saw the reaction to the carmelo

00:48:48.620 anthony's sentencing and i'm not talking just about the fan club of carmelo anthony here i'm

00:48:55.400 talking about people who participate in the vandalism that we see and as we see here there

00:49:01.020 a diverse group. It's just you can't constantly try and find excuses for something bad that

00:49:06.780 happened in the past for irresponsibility. Why? Because first and foremost, and the Japanese

00:49:11.780 have this right, being a responsible human being is good for others and for you. You're not 1.00

00:49:19.520 essentially chaotic beast, right? So if people are responsible, first and foremost, it's for

00:49:27.040 their own benefit. So there is no such thing as a rational attitude that tries to find excuses in

00:49:35.080 past injustices in order to excuse present irresponsibility. Because present irresponsibility

00:49:42.100 is first and foremost bad for you and for others. And what we saw in Japan there is a sort of

00:49:48.920 effort to celebrate without disruption. It's just standards, isn't it? Standards have slipped all

00:49:56.080 across the western world yeah let's look at the contrast here with respect one is casual 0.96

00:50:06.700 blonde black woman with a wig as well doing it are you and the people with her as well they're

00:50:12.660 participating in it you can ask for a better image of it all honestly and this people are

00:50:19.440 participating in this who wants to learn that society who wants that society people who want

00:50:26.720 to people who want to see the world burning and what i think is that this is again the human rights

00:50:32.960 industry says it's a human rights for some to destroy your city and to have access to your

00:50:39.020 wallet and get away with it yeah uh here again threats to spurs fans again we should we showed

00:50:47.520 this here is another one another video showing the contrast honestly it's just so demoralizing

00:50:59.760 isn't it the acceptance that you have to accept it because it's um something that it's uh the

00:51:07.460 the way of vandals venting anger with the system with anger of winning anger again japan just

00:51:14.920 so good out of this yeah yeah yeah here we have the cbs evening news talking about it they they

00:51:21.560 said that it's just really awesome and wonderful and wonderful scenes and actually it's good to

00:51:27.720 see this every once in a while not not everything has to be barbarity and and destruction this is

00:51:35.040 this is part of the this just overall decline isn't it you know like you have beautiful things

00:51:40.180 because you want to look after things society exists because people look after things they

00:51:46.100 create beautiful things maintain them just a complete rampant decay everyone just wants to

00:51:53.540 well i will just say one quick thing about japan though yeah they look really good in this they

00:51:59.040 look really respectful and civilized however they don't have much diversity right uh perhaps this

00:52:07.320 has to do with cohesion i know maybe cohesion sometimes is good right and one thing to say is

00:52:14.960 that i mean obviously this is a much more uh this is a much more um deeper issue and there are many

00:52:22.200 nuances but they don't go there with the mentality well we were enemies with the u.s um 70 years ago

00:52:31.800 80 years ago, therefore we hate Xi and all we're going to do is look to the past and prevent that

00:52:40.560 from saying, right, at some point you have to set the clock to zero and you move forward.

00:52:46.580 It's almost like one group has been told they're oppressed and is now using that as a means to

00:52:51.720 justify bad behavior, isn't it? And I will extend this because I don't think it's just one group.

00:52:57.540 I think it's every group that the left is trying to gain votes from.

00:53:02.560 They're telling them, you're oppressed. 0.97

00:53:04.820 The bad, straight, white male are the oppressors. 1.00

00:53:08.380 The Europeans are the oppressors. 1.00

00:53:11.160 Whites are the oppressors. 1.00

00:53:12.900 European countries are the oppressors. 1.00

00:53:14.400 So you are allowed to just vandalize them. 0.71

00:53:17.980 Right.

00:53:19.300 And that's the difference.

00:53:20.660 That's what grievances do to you.

00:53:22.160 It's constantly looking backwards,

00:53:25.220 never being able to say, right, listen, in order to have civilization and prevent

00:53:30.340 balkanization and coexist, you have to set the clock at some point at time zero and try to move

00:53:36.920 forward without constantly looking back. And this is essentially what the CRT people did.

00:53:43.740 They said in the 90s, oh, the colorblind thing that we have isn't enough. We have to do the

00:53:49.020 usher in the two tier system. Just grievance politics, which is grievance culture is

00:53:55.000 It's such a poisonous mindset to have.

00:53:59.780 And here, Haruka Suzumori, a friend, she says,

00:54:03.900 similar to the last World Cup,

00:54:05.220 Japanese fans have gone viral for staying behind

00:54:08.180 and cleaning the stadium after the game.

00:54:10.620 I'm really proud of our own people.

00:54:13.140 I'm also really happy to see that others around the world appreciate it.

00:54:16.380 That's good because this is contagious.

00:54:18.680 When people look at a different example, they get inspired.

00:54:23.120 Yeah, and they may participate.

00:54:24.300 They may start thinking, well, maybe what we have here, maybe what we think is normal and inevitable, maybe it actually isn't inevitable.

00:54:34.980 Maybe there are other ways of having a functioning society.

00:54:39.040 Yeah, and I think we need to talk a bit about this article, again by the BBC, Dan's favorite media outlet,

00:54:47.640 what japan can teach us about cleanliness and i will read from it i will read from here

00:54:53.820 they say that they are teaching this to young children from an early age at school says the

00:55:00.760 students sit with their satchels on their desks eager to get home after another long day of seven

00:55:06.960 50 minute classes they listen patiently as the teacher makes a few announcements about tomorrow's

00:55:12.120 timetable then as every day the teacher's final words okay everybody the day's cleaning roaster

00:55:18.660 lines one and two will clean the classroom lines three and four the corridor and stairs

00:55:24.020 line five will clean the toilets can you imagine this in any uh european country at the moment or

00:55:30.420 in the u.s well when my dad was at school they did that yeah but right now no uh can you imagine

00:55:37.180 doing this or they would have a diversity officer saying no no that's you can't ask this from the

00:55:42.440 kids they'd also have parents say no don't put my kid doing this to me because that's a general

00:55:47.600 you know chopper parents and people who are telling children do not discipline my kid in any way

00:55:54.760 because that's that's an attack on their psychological harm do exist well the other

00:55:58.880 thing you can do in japan is even like little three and four year old kids can go to school

00:56:02.600 by themselves yeah yeah because they don't have to worry about being grabbed off the street by

00:56:07.960 somebody who yeah yep uh and they say the easy answer the residents themselves keep it that way

00:56:15.340 for 12 years of school life from elementary school to high school cleaning time is part of

00:56:21.060 students daily schedule said maiko awane assistant director of hiroshima prefectural government's

00:56:27.180 Tokyo office, in our home life as well. Parents teach us that it's bad for us not to keep our

00:56:32.840 things and our space clean. Because there's this idea, and you do have this in cultures that value

00:56:37.940 honor, is that if you behave like a barbarian, you are dishonoring your family. And instead of 0.78

00:56:46.880 them, they're being excuses, not just from the family and the political world, there is actually 0.94

00:56:54.540 a strong message for discipline saying no you had you shouldn't act like a barbarian you are 0.98

00:57:01.820 dishonoring yourself and your your uh your your home and your country and it doesn't matter what

00:57:09.320 happened in the past because responsibility and honor are first and foremost good for you

00:57:16.060 it's only it's only specific honor cultures because there are certain honor cultures in

00:57:20.140 Absolutely, absolutely, yeah.

00:57:22.180 Barbaric.

00:57:22.880 Yeah.

00:57:23.580 So it's an elevated, philosophically-minded honor.

00:57:27.100 You're correct, and it all hinges on how people interpret honor.

00:57:32.280 Yeah.

00:57:33.120 So bravo to the Japanese.

00:57:40.960 Sigilstone 17. 1.00

00:57:44.900 I don't think I can read that.

00:57:47.800 jester 92 17 the hurricanes won the stanley cap in vegas for the first time in 20 years

00:57:53.840 no riots in charleston no riots in vegas i wonder what's the difference between hockey fans

00:57:58.940 and nba fans um okay yeah that's a random name after these celebrations citizens have begun

00:58:09.920 calling next fans yeah it's from where it comes from i mean i i just know i'm not gonna say

00:58:17.760 it, but you know where it comes from. It's from the Dutch pants. But yeah, I'm not going to read

00:58:22.740 it because it's so ridiculous. Yeah. The Bokers controversy. Fortienbaba, the past is the past. 0.94

00:58:29.640 The now is pretty bad, but enjoying your team winning should come with celebrations for sure,

00:58:34.540 but no riots. Absolutely. Amandine512, I wonder if there have been studies looking at the potential

00:58:41.820 link between IQ and antisocial behavior. I will say something about this really quickly because

00:58:47.540 we need to get on i appreciate this rhetoric but i very frequently see people with high iqs being

00:58:55.300 you know really bad people yeah and also people with low iqs being better so i don't think it's

00:59:02.300 just an issue of intelligence i think it's just that that's a big philosophical conversation there

00:59:07.560 is a correlation we will have it sure yeah it's also how you understand what you're doing yes i

00:59:13.780 I suspect if you have one digit IQ, it ain't going to be exactly good for impulse control.

00:59:18.760 That's a random name.

00:59:20.280 Isn't it crazy how we never had these issues before mass migration?

00:59:23.820 Must just be a coincidence. 0.97

00:59:25.440 I mean, if you see your city as your city and the country you're in as your country

00:59:31.820 or a country you respect, you don't go out burning it.

00:59:36.060 Yeah.

00:59:38.320 All right. 0.93

00:59:39.100 I thought we would take a look at YouTubers embarrassing Hollywood. 0.92

00:59:43.780 my normal bread and butter for a change I thought we would do a bit of a white pill 0.93

00:59:48.540 I come bearing black pills most of the time but I thought we would do a white pill and this is

00:59:55.480 stuff which I cover fairly often on on my other channel mistake reviews but I just thought this

01:00:01.560 was quite relevant really and it's fascinating like I I really I cover a lot of the Hollywood

01:00:08.400 space i cover a lot of the film industry behind the scenes stuff what you see film budgets and

01:00:14.660 the sort of mathematics of it and it's just it's been really fascinating it's been truly an 0.63

01:00:19.960 interesting time the last few years in hollywood has been nothing short of shit show basically for 0.82

01:00:28.400 lack of a better phrase it's been a bit of a joke we had uh we reached a massive peak like

01:00:33.720 2016 to 2019 i think it was 2018 and 2019 were some of the highest grossing box office years

01:00:40.660 in history they were monumental billions and billions of dollars in um well what was it

01:00:47.960 star wars end game it was everything right it was this it was a huge combination uh just

01:00:54.540 everyone had fomo right sort of you know fear of missing out that there were water cooler movies

01:01:00.800 by the dozen everyone was sort of uh sort of encaptured in this sort of space of going to the

01:01:07.240 movies and then everyone just sort of woke up a little bit from stuff and went like oh

01:01:12.240 yeah this is a lot of garbage actually and so what's happened since has been

01:01:18.160 a bit of a reset for the film industry and there's been a very consistent blame game 0.94

01:01:25.320 oh post-covid you know post-pandemic are we still blaming this our theatres are still you know 0.94

01:01:32.160 still this it's still that whereas actually what it is is you're just making garbage you're just

01:01:40.260 making garbage so this year you've got three youtubers three youtubers have come out and made

01:01:49.440 movies that have and i don't mean just embarrassed right not just a little bit they've obliterated 0.93

01:01:55.860 on a biblical scale hollywood and it's not you know hollywood as an industry isn't in because

01:02:03.940 these were distributed by hollywood right in terms of hollywood studios they were distributed by them

01:02:09.620 so as a as an overall product a vector for an industry hollywood isn't all bad yeah they've

01:02:18.900 just been caught up in this nonsense themselves and you know i part part of my income is reliant

01:02:24.920 on hollywood so i don't wish them to completely die obviously but you've got to learn the lesson

01:02:29.800 you've got to learn this lesson so what one movie came out this year and it was the mandalorian and

01:02:36.740 grogu right a movie made for uh about after taxes about 140 million dollars which sounds

01:02:48.740 expensive doesn't it no that is dirt cheap for a disney film right absolutely dirt cheap okay

01:02:57.800 and it's only and i do say only it's only done 315 million dollars 315.6 million dollars right

01:03:07.260 in terms of the box office gross now how much money of that do you think that disney has actually

01:03:11.900 taken i mean i i know that it is a loss because you're spoiling it for me play along okay they've

01:03:20.560 lost money they've lost money if you think about the whole margin stack of the of the distributors

01:03:25.200 the film print well maybe they don't maybe they do it digitally now but the cinema fees and all

01:03:29.000 the rest of it they can't be much in that if anything they've lost a lot of money yeah they've

01:03:33.740 they've they're nowhere near making money so how much did you do you say it cost them to make it

01:03:39.420 so after after the tax credits it was about 140 million dollars right plus about 100 million

01:03:47.440 dollars in marketing that's a conservative estimate it would have been more especially

01:03:51.680 because they paid for a super bowl advert super bowl adverts are so they paid for a super bowl

01:03:56.180 advert for this oh yeah they are millions and millions and millions and millions and millions

01:04:00.680 of dollars so they've only got i mean let's say that was as little as 10 million you've only got

01:04:06.200 50 million left for everybody else in the chain which would have included the well so so total

01:04:12.180 sun yeah you look so just on its just on its production budget it would need to gross about

01:04:18.140 300 million to break even you've still got marketing on top of that assuming you don't

01:04:22.140 assuming you don't advertise it and you don't and the cinema don't take a cut either so so cinema

01:04:26.580 doesn't take a cut marketing that's just a marketing no no no for the showing of the film

01:04:30.680 but so they do so that's why it's a 50% round exactly yes so this is lost on average about

01:04:36.460 100 plus million dollars right and this is a disney product this is star wars it's because

01:04:41.720 disney's rubbish well yeah it's because it's disney it's because it's disney star wars it's

01:04:48.100 because there's apathy that's set in it's also because it's pedro pascal but it's a numerous 0.96

01:04:51.500 thing there's numerous reasons why this has failed you know um and it comes right down to

01:04:56.400 at the very inception point of a movie it needs to be an artistic endeavor

01:05:00.720 right so what what it does right you know so artistry no i'm laughing just telling a story

01:05:07.460 i can't remember the last time where a film came out where it's like a genuinely good story yeah

01:05:12.380 you just don't do it anymore and and and so you know our artistry comes in many forms right but

01:05:17.280 the inception point is a story and and and artistry is is also the ability to tell a story

01:05:22.320 a compelling narrative a story that we all we can relate to we can look at we can get brilliant

01:05:26.800 i'm you know i'm enthralled by this and we're in the era of just raw slop content right yeah and

01:05:36.000 so then you have a movie that came out and we'll just go straight to it because why not

01:05:39.980 obsession it's about to hit 300 million dollars now that's not as much as mandalorian and grogu

01:05:48.880 is it well it's not that much right in fact it's less it's you know how much did it cost though

01:05:54.500 yeah well question do you guys know or not it didn't cost a lot it's really amateurish level

01:06:00.840 seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars right but the difference bit more margin in this one

01:06:09.040 then bit more margin bit more of a margin this will be in terms of net profit one of the most

01:06:15.600 the highest grossing highest net profit films in in in years yeah right this would outstrip

01:06:22.780 profit wise of most marvel movies because their profit margins are actually tiny because their

01:06:28.400 budgets are so bloody huge and the amount they spend on advertising is ridiculous yeah massively 0.91

01:06:33.500 yeah so uh just for argument's sake the marvels released not that long ago right shit yeah 0.96

01:06:38.700 obviously the only good thing was brie larson in a white top look it up it's a great picture

01:06:43.740 anyway um so but that movie i think are you actually looking at it right so it grows the

01:06:50.920 i think i think that movie came to about 215 240 million dollars it would have lost about 200

01:06:56.480 million dollars easily this movie has made just raw profit like if it hits 300 it's made about 260

01:07:04.400 270 290 yeah 290 million dollars but the raw but it has a story behind it it isn't just about

01:07:15.200 artificially restricting the audience just to appeal to a marginalized community exactly

01:07:22.340 yeah precisely you know it's not a box checking exercise yeah it's not a made for committee

01:07:28.020 content exactly and and it's horror and i love horror as a genre and i think there have been

01:07:33.480 other movies that are horror movies that had a huge margin of profit i think the conjuring

01:07:38.280 unless i'm yeah conjuring paranormal activity insidious maybe it is so massive most horror

01:07:44.940 movies are actually most horror movies because you can make them they're a dime a dozen uh in fact in

01:07:48.940 the uh 80s it was horror that basically saved hollywood uh famously so i did look it up but 0.94

01:07:56.280 the problem is it's attached to her fat smug liberal face and that just ruined that do you 1.00

01:08:02.700 Have you seen her in a black dress? 1.00

01:08:04.680 Look at the black dress. 1.00

01:08:05.620 I have to be the judge. 1.00

01:08:07.260 I mean, maybe if she was like a prawn, you know, 1.00

01:08:11.500 where you could just rip off the head and throw it away, 1.00

01:08:13.420 that would be all right.

01:08:14.560 Back to the segment.

01:08:17.180 And so then there was another movie.

01:08:19.720 This one, not so much, not as much of a sort of a high margin,

01:08:24.180 but Iron Lung.

01:08:24.800 So Iron Lung basically sort of started, it didn't start it,

01:08:28.840 but it was the first one out this year.

01:08:30.680 so this was by a chap called oh sorry just just to say so uh obsession uh was by curry barker who

01:08:36.900 is a youtuber so sorry just to clarify you know the segment's called youtuber it's the one with

01:08:43.180 no no no no no no so yeah yeah yeah so curry barker is a youtuber um so just yeah and then

01:08:51.480 iron lung is basically the movie that sort of kicked solid off this year this was made by

01:08:55.460 youtuber as well was it yeah yeah markiplier markiplier self-funded it all intents purposes

01:09:01.080 basically self-funded it and this did so well it had a very relatively small release right that

01:09:07.280 but there was such a massive demand for for it from fans that theaters sort of basically strong

01:09:16.960 arm themselves into putting it on because obviously they've got agreements with studios to put on their

01:09:20.800 movies and so obviously there's certain allocation for screen screenings uh per studio per theater

01:09:27.560 yeah but they were like no no actually this is doing quite well we're gonna actually make some

01:09:30.780 money from this whereas you know typically we haven't been making money from studio films

01:09:34.780 because they're giving us slop and crap people forget that it's a symbiotic relationship one

01:09:40.020 has to do well for the other to do well go on and tell us it made 51 million but how much did it cost 0.97

01:09:44.420 to make so i think this was i think this was about three million or something like that which

01:09:48.520 actually he self-funded himself you know he self-funded uh for all intents purposes 48 million

01:09:53.920 he's just he's laughed all the way to the bank and so has the theaters right because they've

01:10:00.320 actually put out a film which you know people want to see i mean you don't even get that sort

01:10:03.840 of return from a bull market in bitcoin three million to 51 no so this one in terms of raw

01:10:10.380 numbers hasn't hasn't really embarrassed hollywood massively you know hollywood can make this type of

01:10:16.420 profit for sure but it's embarrassed that from the fan demand and the interest and the sort of

01:10:21.820 cultural zeitgeist sort of build up around it and then this is the sort of the the trifecta

01:10:28.840 uh then we had this so backrooms backrooms is a a movie by another youtuber

01:10:37.480 kane parsons or as he's known on youtube kane pixels who took an idea the backrooms right

01:10:45.620 took an idea and just made his own youtube videos about it so it was the ip wasn't owned by anyone

01:10:51.720 right you know raw creation pure creativity pure creativity he built up his own law his own idea

01:10:59.000 his own concept and he made these short films found footage films right incredibly popular

01:11:04.520 tens of millions of views massive hugely hugely popular what's this one about because it sounds

01:11:09.020 like a porno i mean it's not right okay what is it so enter from the back door so it's like a

01:11:17.480 dimensional psychological horror i wasn't getting that from the title i've got to say no okay no

01:11:22.880 it's not called the back doors mate right okay okay it's called the back rooms anyway uh but

01:11:27.300 this movie again made for a pittance an absolute pittance right it's still in the low and i think

01:11:33.620 it was under 10 million off the top of my head um yeah but from 10 million to 260 million well

01:11:39.540 yeah this is the thing right it's still made insane sums of cash so all of these movies this

01:11:46.760 year that i've shown you would have made more money than a disney film yeah are these how

01:11:54.080 amazing i haven't seen any of these movies but are they all original concepts uh yeah well yeah

01:11:59.700 So Iron Lung is an adaptation from a game that Markiplier did,

01:12:03.320 but it's true to the game.

01:12:05.720 Okay.

01:12:06.500 Whereas normally they go, well, we can't adapt the game properly.

01:12:09.140 We can't fully adapt the game, can we?

01:12:11.740 It's like the fans of the game are like, well,

01:12:13.540 I'd really appreciate it if you did.

01:12:14.900 The thing is, I'd really like it if you did adapt the game,

01:12:17.280 because I like the game.

01:12:18.920 With all three of these,

01:12:20.480 I don't know what they're about from just seeing the title and the poster.

01:12:23.960 You should watch the trailers.

01:12:25.020 Yeah, but with every Hollywood movie,

01:12:27.360 not only can i just see the title and the poster and i know what's in most of the film i already

01:12:33.560 know all of the characters because they're recycling stuff oh yeah that's been in the

01:12:37.720 zeitgeist for like 30 years like oh it's star wars oh yeah there's nothing very very true

01:12:44.580 very very true one thing is that in some respects any story needs to have a structure and there are

01:12:51.040 some patterns of structure of course and even in really good and creative stories you do see

01:12:55.880 these patterns yeah so it doesn't have to be the creativity of i did something that in any way it's

01:13:03.500 new but you do see even if for instance in a horror movie you have the same setting you know

01:13:09.300 haunted house family moves in it's haunted you can still see when people take the idea seriously

01:13:16.040 and they attach value into what they are doing as opposed to just treating it as a cash cow

01:13:21.620 it seems to me that when they're treating it as a cash thing only they get this problem yeah and

01:13:29.120 the thing is is that you know very few ideas are in their entirety completely original right as you

01:13:36.300 say there's structure for films that have to sort of follow a certain structure first second and

01:13:39.660 third act but the thing about these newer directors that are coming up these newer individuals these

01:13:44.700 youtubers for instance right that are you know studio i mean so backrooms was um an a24 production

01:13:53.020 so it is a it is a hollywood adjacent studio but they still took a risk they still took a punt on

01:14:00.160 it okay the likes of obsession completely you know indie film it was acquired um doing the rounds at

01:14:07.760 film festivals so like funded done and then sort of acquired and then and then pushed out in fact

01:14:13.760 Now it beats Blair Witch Project for the highest-grossing

01:14:17.160 sort of festival-acquired film, right?

01:14:19.140 So it's a huge thing.

01:14:20.300 But the thing about this is that even though you'll have

01:14:23.840 first, second, and third acts, you'll have common traits

01:14:25.960 of certain movies and sort of story structure

01:14:28.120 and sort of character arc structure and things like that,

01:14:30.420 when you have new people coming up, right,

01:14:32.880 new individuals that are doing things completely away

01:14:36.440 from studios, right?

01:14:37.600 Like Backrooms was only acquired because of Kane Parsons.

01:14:41.140 if you didn't have him attached to it and him this is his first direct his directorial debut

01:14:46.440 for instance right it wouldn't be the same thing but you've got these individuals that are doing

01:14:51.640 things in a very unique way so yeah sure structures reminiscent can be quite samely

01:14:58.860 but that doesn't apply to cinematography you can do things in a completely new way

01:15:04.480 there's no there are rules you know framing rules and things like that but in each of these films

01:15:10.060 you've got things which were done in refreshing ways fresh takes fresh angles and so this is now 0.98

01:15:17.720 something which hollywood has looked at and gone oh shit 0.81

01:15:22.400 why youtubers are turning hollywood upside down it's like yeah so i so because hollywood movies 0.91

01:15:29.720 are so bad and i mean i'd stop watching them we're not we're in the 2000s yeah in the 2000s

01:15:37.280 I used to watch basically everything that came out.

01:15:39.540 I used to go to the video shop several times a week.

01:15:41.800 I watched everything.

01:15:43.220 I don't bother with films.

01:15:44.880 When I want to watch a film, I find an old movie and watch a film.

01:15:48.020 So I always expected that when AI got a little bit better,

01:15:52.280 Hollywood was just done.

01:15:53.820 No.

01:15:54.620 Because AI would allow people who are passionate

01:15:57.660 to make good movies that looked as good as Hollywood.

01:16:01.040 And maybe that might take another three to five years for AI

01:16:04.000 to be able to produce stuff that's that slick and coherent

01:16:06.840 and all the rest of it i was not expecting it to happen this year and you've just shown three

01:16:13.640 movies that they're not but they're not but that's that's my point right yeah they're not even

01:16:18.720 waiting for ai to catch up between the technical gap between because you don't need to so you can

01:16:24.840 actually buy a cinema camera a cinema camera for about a grand you can make cinema grade films

01:16:32.140 for about a grand in terms of raw you still need sets and locations and um props and all the rest

01:16:38.500 of it so there's still some cost but i was thinking when it's literally a team in a back

01:16:43.380 bedroom using ai that they would be out competing hollywood i was not expecting it to happen

01:16:48.500 this year without ai yeah oh it's incredible it's truly i mean i don't i don't think

01:16:53.520 it's part of a broader conversation but i actually don't think ai will be

01:16:56.820 that that much of a it will be transformational i no i disagree it will be used to it'll be used

01:17:03.820 as a tool to uh accent cg for instance but it won't actually be because it's just too

01:17:09.520 it's it's a cheap facsimile of other people's work but it's good to accent cgi yeah give it

01:17:16.220 give it five years and as long as you can always a facsimile though anyway this is right okay

01:17:20.840 there's always a replication of other people's work so we'll always what i'm if i'm talking

01:17:26.860 about proper storyboarding and proper guidance still a replication of other people dan question

01:17:31.820 sorry nate that's going to be just a minute so i agree with you i was watching almost everything

01:17:38.180 that came out and now i just don't go to the cinema it's for a long time so i would rather

01:17:44.700 watch an ai movie than a stupid woke movie and i would much rather watch a really low production 0.68

01:17:52.800 yeah that isn't woke slop yeah then watch an ai thing so when you say the same i'm i'm waiting 0.97

01:18:01.040 until the only movie i have to watch is various iterations of warhammer 40 000 okay so actually

01:18:07.360 here we've got some numbers here for instance right and and this is variety is a quite a

01:18:13.860 hollywood shilly type outlet although they do poke jabs uh at disney every now and then which

01:18:19.760 is very good fun so i do enjoy that um but i'll just read a little bit of this just because it's

01:18:24.260 good um this past weekend marked a tectonic shift in hollywood that sent shock waves across the

01:18:30.040 industry and this is that this is the thing you're now you are now starting to see uh these interviews

01:18:35.760 begin to permeate into the sort of a mainstream space uh and when that occurs behind the scenes

01:18:42.580 there's significant chatter going on right significant chatter because obviously it sort

01:18:47.900 of drip feeds down and then we we start to learn about it so backrooms a horror film born out of a

01:18:52.960 4chan creepypasta and produced for around 10 million dollars and again that's now done like

01:18:58.980 280 old or something like that was 260 insane absolutely insane uh open to an extraordinary

01:19:04.460 81 million dollars smashing records for distributor a24 obsession a horror film made on a budget of

01:19:10.420 750 grand has now grossed uh as we said 287 so it's just coming up to uh 300 million dollar

01:19:18.420 market and also the other milestone sort of record quote unquote that that one achieved

01:19:22.660 was rather than a decline year uh week on week which is what typically happens you know you have

01:19:28.880 sort of movies are front loaded so opening weekend they're quite high and then they sort of taper off

01:19:33.920 pretty standard they keep around and you sort of get the dregs right no this one increased

01:19:39.560 yeah it increased as in the box office gross from week one to week two had higher numbers and also

01:19:48.200 week three which is almost unheard of the last time that happened i believe it was et so it just

01:19:53.760 goes to show how uh creatively bankrupt hollywood has been for so long that that word of mouth

01:20:00.540 for films has been so lacking because that's the only way that obsession film has achieved so you

01:20:07.740 achieve that for instance it's not marketing the marketing was was basically non-existent right

01:20:13.080 it had some of course but that's word of mouth have you seen any of these films uh so i saw

01:20:18.160 backrooms i saw iron lung i haven't seen obsession just how were those two really good i really like

01:20:23.860 backrooms i thought it was brilliant yeah iron lung was was good for what it was okay but backrooms

01:20:27.900 is brilliant okay my my jam my kind of jam iron lung wasn't it's kind of my jam but also kind

01:20:32.960 or not your mileage may vary but but yeah but you can just say crazy absolutely crazy and you see

01:20:38.420 this right you know in its third weekend of release a 10 jump from the previous weekend

01:20:42.180 yeah you know that is that is literally unheard of normally for argument's sake like a marvel movie

01:20:48.180 because we'll just compare it to the you know the big balls of hollywood right uh the average drop

01:20:54.440 is 60 60 to 65 from week one to week two yeah 10 increase

01:21:02.480 like we're on a different lead that also that also shows how word of mouth can function exactly

01:21:10.580 yeah precisely yeah because what kind of marketing can you have with seven with three quarters of a

01:21:15.640 million oh no they they wouldn't have had they wouldn't really add any mark there's just people

01:21:20.000 say hey i watched a really great thing yeah it wasn't the same thing and i will say it isn't

01:21:25.220 just the woke thing that is annoying in hollywood i'm incredibly bored of the superhero

01:21:31.060 thing yeah just everything is the same you always know what what they're gonna say

01:21:36.760 yeah yeah you can you can the same script getting recycled with minor words changing yeah but it's

01:21:43.700 also i mean the thing is the hollywood industry again part of a broader conversation perhaps but

01:21:48.460 the Hollywood industry as a whole you know it takes a lot of its casting cues from say the

01:21:53.600 Academy because they want to be in line for Academy Awards the Academy Awards have certain

01:21:58.100 criteria therefore they sort of have to follow that criteria so that's why put a chicken and 0.71

01:22:02.380 make it gay put a chicken and make it gay by the way there's loads of people in the chat saying 0.64

01:22:05.560 that Obsession is easily the best of those three movies oh yeah yeah no I don't doubt it I don't

01:22:09.720 doubt it is it out or not yet it's out yeah yeah yeah absolutely you can watch it and so yeah and

01:22:16.060 So Mandalorian and Grogu, spinoff, 165 million price tag,

01:22:19.620 did have tax credits, so it's a reduction,

01:22:23.260 so about 140 odd, round it to 150, give or take,

01:22:26.380 because they do creative accounting anyway.

01:22:29.180 So 150 is about right.

01:22:30.400 Hollywood accounting.

01:22:31.700 Yeah, Hollywood accounting.

01:22:33.080 And it's just crazy.

01:22:34.180 Like, you know, exhibitor relations say, you know,

01:22:36.680 we knew indie horror was hot, but we didn't know how hot. 1.00

01:22:39.200 Are you stupid? 1.00

01:22:40.740 Like, this shouldn't really surprise anyone, right? 1.00

01:22:42.800 people are crying out for good art you know good uh media artistry you know another thing i think

01:22:49.900 there is a push towards minimalism and it isn't just in hollywood but i think generally speaking

01:22:55.420 when it comes to movies i i don't care about the you know the bombastic thing that you see in the

01:23:01.920 hero superhero saga again i want to see something that is that has less is more as a mentality

01:23:08.900 Well, mate, back rooms is definitely less is more.

01:23:13.100 Good, yeah.

01:23:13.780 It's literally just rooms upon rooms like this.

01:23:17.420 Okay, yeah.

01:23:18.040 Some guy in the chat saying that a whole bunch of them

01:23:20.020 watched back rooms and they all came out saying,

01:23:21.700 what the hell did we just watch?

01:23:23.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:24.280 Yeah, but not every film has to have a nice type

01:23:26.520 wrapped up in a bow experiment.

01:23:27.620 Yeah, but I don't know whether that means

01:23:28.940 that's really good or bad, but...

01:23:31.420 No, I think the point is, I think it's really different.

01:23:34.280 Yeah, yeah, it is.

01:23:34.940 Yeah, it certainly is.

01:23:35.820 And so people are sort of trying to sort of

01:23:37.460 reason this and sort of come to some explanation for why hollywood is completely collapsed in on

01:23:43.880 itself and then just random people are like is it spiritually morally and creatively bankrupt

01:23:49.120 well that yeah and they say the youtube generation has finally come of age they grew up creating

01:23:53.880 their own content with no money and just by being as creative as possible yeah yeah sorry creative

01:23:57.980 yeah yeah yes the clues they're creative guys yeah hollywood get creative again right lose the

01:24:03.880 committees lose the boards lose the writers rooms for instance actually have one person with a core

01:24:10.060 concept a core artist right an idea of what they want to do and allow them to actually create weave

01:24:15.940 that story out there so i just thought this was interesting i thought this was funny and uh there

01:24:20.840 you go youtubers embarrass hollywood they have mogged them youtubers mog hollywood i mean just

01:24:26.760 as a quick side note on that at the end it would make much more sense to run hollywood like a

01:24:30.280 venture capitalist which is to say um you guys go off and spin up a whole bunch of seed films

01:24:35.920 we then pick one or two and give them a bit of money see where you get to then we give you a

01:24:41.340 whole load more money and some of them will come big and we just eat the losses on the rest well

01:24:45.340 the worst well so that actually the worst part the worst thing to happen to hollywood in the last

01:24:52.140 few decades were big backers big financial backers so blackrock for instance blackrock

01:24:57.380 uh is one of the primary uh shareholders of disney right you know larry fink comes out and

01:25:03.400 he's like yeah dei and esg and then all hollywood studios have to do the same so i've got two young

01:25:09.220 kids and we and we did have was it disney plus or something whatever it's called and we had that for

01:25:13.040 a while but then i noticed that like even the little kids cartoons everything was so dei like

01:25:19.640 there'd be a little there'd be a little kids cartoon where they've got the little cartoon

01:25:23.400 character and she's got two mummies and it's like today kids we're going to be learning about fisting

01:25:27.920 and it's like oh i'm not having that that is just gone that's that's that's one of the reasons why

01:25:33.660 yeah is that they they started taking money rather than taking money from creative producers that

01:25:38.820 want to produce art it's it was just the it was just the message it was just it was just don't be 0.61

01:25:46.640 white be gay constantly yeah every even in the little kids cartoons so it's like yeah i'm bidding

01:25:52.240 that um right have you got any um common common things uh yeah i guess so let me have a look 0.94

01:25:59.160 um cinema is dead it's a 14 barbers cinema is dead sadly i'd love to own a cinema that pumps

01:26:08.320 out older films and proper indie films hollywood is generally like warm diarrhea yeah uh that's

01:26:13.600 a random name so same things happening in the gaming industry the big game the big company's

01:26:17.960 games have been flopping yeah so gaming industry has been an interesting one i was thinking of doing

01:26:22.020 a video on that as well actually a segment here on that because the gaming industry has basically

01:26:26.240 speed run yes what the film industry has done um because the demographic is so uh less broad

01:26:33.620 yeah and very very very tough to please they know exactly what they like and the investments you

01:26:39.480 know it's a bigger investment it's a bigger investment price tag plus also time investment

01:26:44.060 they've just smashed up against a brick wall the only new games i ever play are tiny indies

01:26:49.400 yeah but that's why i will probably do that to be honest um hapsification says technology for

01:26:56.340 filmmaking is caught up to the point where it's cheap enough like i said a grand uh and widespread

01:27:00.260 enough for ordinary creators uh can make high quality movies yet uh fictagia says i've written

01:27:05.520 my own original horror script called cane wood uh i know i keep mentioning it but i have to keep

01:27:09.560 pushing awareness of online to tempt a producer to see my pitch wish me luck good luck uh sigil

01:27:14.340 stone says none of these indie movies will ever come close to matching the mandalorian's ending

01:27:18.000 where someone asked Mandalorian his name

01:27:19.420 and he said Mandalorian, Mandalorian Skywalker

01:27:21.620 and then shot Baby Yoda, brilliant.

01:27:24.320 That didn't happen, but it might as well have done.

01:27:26.400 Anyway, they gave.

01:27:27.120 Honestly, I don't care.

01:27:28.420 You can give me all of the spoilers for the Mandalorian.

01:27:31.600 Nothing happened, mate.

01:27:32.580 I watched the first series and it was like,

01:27:35.420 it's all right,

01:27:36.640 but I just couldn't be bothered to watch the next series.

01:27:38.960 Nothing happens.

01:27:40.140 There is nothing to spoil. 0.95

01:27:41.460 It's the most vapid, vacuous nonsense 0.97

01:27:44.180 you've seen in quite a while. 0.94

01:27:45.720 All right, some of the comments.

01:27:46.580 from my segment

01:27:48.640 this is remarkable

01:27:49.420 just remarkable

01:27:50.420 Zesty King

01:27:51.680 asked the question

01:27:52.300 how did the Russians

01:27:53.120 supposedly know

01:27:54.220 that Keir Starmer

01:27:55.020 like boys

01:27:55.700 and not girls

01:27:56.360 oh no

01:27:58.380 we're running on the premise

01:27:59.560 that they don't know that

01:28:00.460 maybe they just

01:28:02.660 flipped a coin

01:28:03.220 maybe they're saying

01:28:04.920 both

01:28:05.360 and

01:28:07.160 possibly

01:28:08.580 possibly

01:28:09.460 lots of

01:28:13.420 bumming jokes

01:28:14.240 just trying to find

01:28:15.120 one that I can read out

01:28:16.300 A bumming joke, bumming joke. 1.00

01:28:18.600 The Russians are definitely behind it. 0.90

01:28:21.700 This one isn't technically a bumming joke.

01:28:24.680 I think Keir Starmer is actually an undercover police officer 0.98

01:28:26.960 trying to infiltrate Russian gay sex trafficking ring. 0.98

01:28:31.200 Becoming the Prime Minister was just a front for his deep cover. 0.99

01:28:34.280 He's got a bumming joke in there as well.

01:28:36.760 That one's a bumming joke.

01:28:38.480 Lord Inquistor Hector Rex has two good ones.

01:28:41.440 He says, you will always remember this as the day you almost caught El Pimpo.

01:28:46.300 yes oh and he also says what's more believable this bbc article or the guy who sued the woman

01:28:52.820 with great cannons yes uh that one's a bumming joke um updates on the cannons oh this okay

01:29:01.180 these male models trying to murder important people is like zoolander yes i got that into

01:29:05.720 the segment um and jan says uh hearing dan's segment makes me think his talent would be

01:29:11.360 amazing in monty python yes unfortunately i'm a couple of generations too young for that but i

01:29:17.720 would have well think think about being be being me is i do everything well so yes i would have

01:29:23.180 done that well right uh michael drabelby says remember not every culture knows what honor is

01:29:28.120 shall we discuss the now of african thought or do we have to reference sargon's video on it

01:29:33.180 furious dan japan not only passes the shopping trolley test to get extra marks because they

01:29:39.080 will return abandoned trolleys they didn't even use be like japan arizona desert rat says i think

01:29:46.480 these are some people there are some people who just want to vandalize just for the sake of

01:29:51.920 destruction they enjoy taking advantage of a mob absolutely and let me read from god owns god's own

01:30:00.180 prototype i recently overheard someone saying that clearly the japanese have only developed

01:30:05.820 this sense of civic respect and cleanliness

01:30:08.560 because two niques were dropped on them

01:30:11.860 and that this presents a clear policy pathway

01:30:13.840 towards regions and demographics

01:30:15.300 that shows a clear need

01:30:17.680 for this kind of improvement.

01:30:20.320 I mean, that's just...

01:30:23.400 No.

01:30:24.320 Yep.

01:30:25.540 My segment, Sophie Liv says,

01:30:28.260 four, four YouTube indies making huge profits.

01:30:30.760 You forgot Digital Circus Firelight.

01:30:32.020 Didn't even know that was a thing.

01:30:34.100 Funny how all it took was smaller budgets,

01:30:35.820 but genuinely passionate creators

01:30:37.220 with stories they want to tell.

01:30:39.800 Yep.

01:30:40.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:41.280 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:30:43.440 Dirty Belter, Backrooms is adapted

01:30:45.820 from a 4chan green text.

01:30:47.260 Kane's version is his own twist.

01:30:49.300 Yep, exactly.

01:30:50.060 Yeah, his literal own creation.

01:30:52.580 I would strongly recommend it

01:30:53.940 if you like surrealist psychological horror.

01:30:56.080 His YouTube series is also fantastic.

01:30:57.680 Yeah, it is actually.

01:30:58.280 It's really good.

01:30:59.800 Michael Joe Balboz says,

01:31:00.860 Mistakes reviews have definitely saved me money.

01:31:03.080 Nate does a review

01:31:03.780 and based on Nate's review,

01:31:05.820 I go, or I don't, at this point,

01:31:07.420 I don't go to movies anymore 0.99

01:31:08.560 because they make such crap. 0.98

01:31:11.560 We have a good honourable mention by Annie Moss. 0.99

01:31:14.820 She says, really love the White Pill Show today.

01:31:17.360 Kudos to all the hosts,

01:31:18.400 especially Stelios,

01:31:19.420 as I had to clean the tea off my monitor 0.99

01:31:21.340 after seeing the woman speaking horse on the BBC. 1.00

01:31:25.280 I believe it's nay. 0.99

01:31:26.580 Let's not offend the horses.

01:31:28.320 I realise the world is dark,

01:31:30.180 but today was a night's break.

01:31:31.740 Thank you.

01:31:32.720 Yeah, I mean, it's not all good. 0.97

01:31:34.540 I mean, the live chat is just full of anal references 0.81

01:31:38.160 and it's people changing James Bond movies 0.97

01:31:42.040 to make anal references out of them. 0.65

01:31:44.000 So look, I think you've all got the wrong idea 0.96

01:31:46.420 about my segment.

01:31:47.620 Obviously, we love Keir Starmer here.

01:31:49.000 Anyway, chat, work on yourselves. 0.98

01:31:55.200 That's not an anal thing. 0.97

01:31:56.920 No, anyway. 0.98

01:31:59.100 Okay, cheerio.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 16, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1441

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