The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1442

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Wednesday the 17th of June, 2026.

00:00:04.980 I'm joined by Connor and Will Kingston from GB News. Thanks for joining us, Will.

00:00:08.340 Hi gents, lovely to be here. Long time listener. I'm delighted to have a seat for the first time.

00:00:13.620 We probably should have chosen a day with cheerier news admittedly.

00:00:16.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is going to be somewhat of a depressing podcast for the most part.

00:00:21.380 We're going to be discussing Rupert Lowe's Rape Gang Report. I've only read about half of it,

00:00:26.120 So I can't be taking the lead on this, but the heart, I mean,

00:00:28.920 it's 209 pages, something like that.

00:00:30.760 And it's some of the worst reading that you've ever seen.

00:00:34.340 And it's hard to believe.

00:00:36.000 Then we're going to be talking about Raikou,

00:00:38.280 which is the government unit that, well, I mean,

00:00:42.260 it creates the statements for the victims of tragedy.

00:00:45.840 Just don't look back in anger department.

00:00:47.920 And I thought it was just a coincidence that all these family victim

00:00:51.300 statements have exactly the same language and come from exactly the same

00:00:54.320 template.

00:00:54.720 Well, that's extraordinary.

00:00:55.520 yeah quite conspicuous that isn't it and then sorry i'm just making a note that's a really

00:01:00.760 good title oh that's that's the title of one of the piece of reporting i'll be drawing on actually

00:01:05.080 then we're going to be talking about how actually despite all of the gloom the online right is

00:01:10.140 winning the online right is doing very very well and they keep writing um hit pieces against us

00:01:17.100 that make us sound incredible i thought we'd just go through some of them just show that actually

00:01:20.660 we are as influential as we feel and things are going really great.

00:01:24.860 You can end on a bit of levity.

00:01:25.900 Exactly.

00:01:26.320 We can have a slightly uplifting white pill moment at the end because, my God, I'm not

00:01:31.660 looking forward to doing this.

00:01:32.560 You're telling me that the online right species can actually survive in an outdoor environment?

00:01:38.540 It's thriving.

00:01:40.080 Oh, hey.

00:01:40.900 Yeah.

00:01:41.540 Everything's going great.

00:01:42.820 I'm interested.

00:01:43.340 I'm intrigued.

00:01:44.400 Yeah.

00:01:44.880 So good news there, at least something.

00:01:47.720 But let's begin.

00:01:48.740 so it's been about a year since Baroness Casey published her independent audit which was then

00:01:55.220 the casus belli for Labour to jump aboard the far-right bandwagon and announce their three

00:01:59.660 limited statutory inquiries which have appointed their chair only one location and as of yet

00:02:03.900 well they've watered down the terms of reference and haven't even started gathering evidence

00:02:07.780 but we have the announcement that yesterday eight new cases are going to be reopened by

00:02:13.160 Operation Beaconport, and they are re-examining cases that were between January 2010 and March

00:02:18.420 2025 that were prematurely closed due to a lack of evidence, even though it's possible they might

00:02:24.460 catch these child predators. And this government task force is going to have a lot of work on its

00:02:29.480 hands in the coming months, because Rupert Lowe has finally published the Independent Rape Gang

00:02:35.160 Inquiry Report. This is going to be very rough listening. There is no substitute for actually

00:02:39.000 reading it yourself. I didn't. It kept me up all night and it'll keep everyone up that reads it.

00:02:44.000 So consider this segment a primer for your own reading. We're going to try and summarize as best

00:02:50.160 we can some of the worst case studies, some of the statistics and the findings, the recommendations.

00:02:55.560 And then at the end, we're going to dedicate a few minutes to just outlining some of the responses to

00:03:00.000 this. Because nothing, not your own reputation, not political partisan interests should come above

00:03:07.040 delivering justice for child abuse victims.

00:03:09.120 But unfortunately for some people,

00:03:10.620 some people it has.

00:03:11.920 So just to summarise the findings,

00:03:14.580 it says court records and official inquiries

00:03:17.180 show that around 87% of those convicted

00:03:20.120 in group-based child sexual exploitation cases

00:03:23.060 bear distinctly Muslim names.

00:03:25.620 Those who have read Peter McLaughlin's Easy Me

00:03:27.960 or have read the previous Quilliam report

00:03:29.540 or just have eyes and looked at the mugshots

00:03:32.100 would have been able to predict these patterns.

00:03:33.560 Just a quick thing there.

00:03:34.220 Imagine Noir's got so much heat 0.96

00:03:36.700 for saying, well, it's 85% at least Muslim perpetrators of these grooming gangs.

00:03:41.020 And yet every single piece of research and documentation that's come out since

00:03:45.520 has just reinforced his point or increased that number.

00:03:49.160 He was validated at the time even because the National Crime Agency's 2011 report

00:03:53.860 had essentially the same statistic.

00:03:55.840 I think it was 75% of type 1 or type 2, it might have been,

00:04:01.140 child sexual abuse offences were committed by distinctly Asian Pakistani men. 0.75

00:04:06.260 and then the quilliam report which was ed and and majid came up with a similar figure and of course 0.54

00:04:12.420 even though they were two practicing muslims and ex-jihadists they still got called racist and

00:04:15.960 islamophobic by ella cockbane anyway um it's also important to note that in that statistic of the

00:04:20.800 87 there are some white british gangs it is mentioned in the report but also included in

00:04:25.520 that are um sikh ringleaders that has happened before and quite frequently either the customers

00:04:31.360 of these gangs, or some of the customers end up being drug addicted madams who are women that lure

00:04:36.860 the girls in because there's a high overlap between the Pakistani drug trade and also

00:04:41.300 child trafficking. So for clarity, out of all of the rape gangs or gangs that have coordinated

00:04:48.280 activity to commit sexual violence against children and young women, 86% are comprised of 0.98

00:04:55.220 Muslim men. 87% of the evicted perpetrators have Muslim names. Yes. And of course, we know that 0.97

00:05:00.600 some of the ringleaders have been prosecuted but we know there are hundreds possibly thousands of

00:05:04.600 perpetrators we don't even need to do the whole per capita thing here that is an 87 percent the

00:05:08.500 vast majority full stop yes i mean but a couple of points on that um the first the first thing is

00:05:13.640 um the rape gang inquiry is not um uh how do we say say uh religiously or ethnically partisan

00:05:19.540 right so there are there are cases in there of women who were groomed by white people yes not

00:05:25.760 just men, by the way, white men and women, who were failed by the institutions and didn't get

00:05:31.440 justice. So this isn't just that the institutions are only being politically correct to cover up

00:05:37.880 Pakistani Muslim rapists. It is also that they just don't have any respect for the victims of 0.98

00:05:44.060 these crimes at all. So it is both things at the same time. And secondly, it'll be tens of

00:05:50.480 thousands of muslim men who are wandering around the country having raped children and not been 0.98

00:05:56.080 brought to justice and have been given cover by their own community whether they're prosecuted or 0.98

00:06:00.500 whether um these familial clans that operate based on solidarity to the to the umma or to

00:06:05.940 to your own ethnic group um they know this is going on and they can phone one or not but one

00:06:10.700 each other up and just say that i've got a girl captive would you like to come around to my house

00:06:14.300 and face no uh reprisal for that that they all know this is going on and they feel no sympathy

00:06:19.500 for the victims. David Starkey was correct to describe it as clan politics. Yes, it is clan

00:06:23.920 politics. It's very clear in here. Also, as for the ethnic compositions of the perpetrators, they

00:06:27.800 found an analysis of 264 convictions for group-based child exploitation between 2005 and

00:06:34.140 2017. It found that 84% were South Asian ethnically, vast majority Pakistani Muslim. Only 7% were

00:06:41.640 white and 8% were black. So again, if we're doing not just per capita, but gross, yeah,

00:06:47.400 The overwhelming majority are ethnically Pakistani background.

00:06:50.640 There are quite a few, obviously, Somalis as well.

00:06:52.760 The smallest ethnic group there is white.

00:06:55.520 This data is coming from the police and judicial establishment,

00:07:00.400 which has been a chronic failure against these victims as well.

00:07:04.380 So if these numbers are this shockingly high

00:07:07.900 when it comes to the ethno-religious element here,

00:07:10.560 you can only assume that the real situation is considerably worse.

00:07:14.000 Yeah, it's essentially like finding a couple of ants

00:07:16.140 running around on your floor and not knowing where the actual colony is yet. The number of

00:07:20.900 victims estimated on pages 12 to 13 as well. So they extrapolate from Lord Pearson of Rannock's

00:07:27.040 projection in 2019 that there was around 250,000 victims minimum. And again, that was seven years

00:07:36.420 ago. Sarah Champion in 2017 said it could be up to a million. I've seen some people quibble with

00:07:41.060 the maths on this but frankly this is the the best estimate we get when you look at from previous

00:07:46.560 reports in Rotherham and Telford the victim to perpetrator ratio so that the victims that were

00:07:52.840 identified by the by the previous reports and you extrapolate it across the country in all of the

00:07:59.620 districts it's been found up to 40 percent of districts in the country you find that 250,000

00:08:04.900 is like the bare minimum yeah it's also it's also such a giveaway as well I've seen this debate in

00:08:09.600 the last 24 hours on social media well how have we got to this number what's the statistical

00:08:14.420 credibility that sits underneath it and you kind of go if that is your response to the mass gang

00:08:22.460 rape of you know 11 year old girls surely that says a lot about your worldview and it's the same

00:08:28.060 thing that we saw in the aftermath of the Henry Novak footage and the Belfast footage it is like

00:08:33.120 to go to the detail or go to the process or go to that as a diversionary tactic from what is

00:08:41.280 really going on. I've seen some people in good faith question it, like Adam Wren, who obviously

00:08:45.860 runs Open Justice and does the transcripts. But there have been absolutely some people that have

00:08:49.260 tried to nitpick and undermine the findings of this, even at the expense of the victims who

00:08:53.780 gave up their time, gave their testimony, and are hoping that private prosecutions be brought

00:08:57.980 forward. So you're doing this at the expense of potential action. That's disgraceful.

00:09:01.640 We know from this that the earliest recorded crime that the inquiry found was actually in 1955,

00:09:08.580 so immediately after the earliest waves of Meapuri, Pakistani migration to the country,

00:09:13.200 after their dam burst and the area flooded. I've seen crimes that have been committed in 1.00

00:09:18.320 Canterbury and Rotherham from 50s through the 70s. So this just seems to be a pattern of behaviour

00:09:23.920 that occurs wherever you bring these men, particularly Pakistani, but broadly Muslim men. 0.64

00:09:29.160 Look at the pattern of behaviour in their own country.

00:09:31.320 Yeah, I mean, quite.

00:09:32.940 But there's a particular kind, and obviously you know this well,

00:09:35.460 there's a particular kind of like racially aggravated rape

00:09:38.360 that is committed in these countries.

00:09:40.420 I mean, one rape gang was just prosecuted in Australia,

00:09:42.420 if I understand it as well.

00:09:43.720 Yeah, Carl, what you just said is a very simple point

00:09:45.940 but a very important point,

00:09:47.460 that if these people are coming from a particular culture

00:09:50.540 where this is widespread and it is prevalent

00:09:52.780 and it is socially normalised,

00:09:54.840 it is therefore obvious that they are more likely

00:09:57.900 to then bring that into this country. 0.85

00:10:00.540 You know, you don't just suddenly, when you, you know,

00:10:02.540 get off the dinghy and hit Dover, put up a photo of Joe Root on your wall

00:10:06.420 and start singing God Save the King.

00:10:08.720 Well, British values.

00:10:10.720 Well, I mean, you know, that's...

00:10:12.920 I know, I know, but it is self-explanatory.

00:10:15.980 But that is still the primary argument for the whole integration piece,

00:10:20.080 which is, well, with a few education programs,

00:10:22.060 you can change that entire worldview and it doesn't work that way. 1.00

00:10:25.440 A few classes on women's consent will not civilize these people. 1.00

00:10:29.640 And again, it's everywhere they go. 0.60

00:10:31.500 So here, the inquiry has identified 149 local authority districts

00:10:36.940 that have been either suspected or confirmed to be affected by this all across the UK.

00:10:42.360 And I'm just going to zoom out.

00:10:43.540 This is the map of where these gangs have been operating.

00:10:48.300 And it was a particular shock to me, and this is just anecdotal,

00:10:50.880 but in southeast London, Bexley and Bromley are in red.

00:10:53.620 that's that's basically kent i mean that i mean london has the highest population of muslims in

00:11:00.340 the entire country yeah so i'd kind of expect but not but not that area again i you haven't been to

00:11:04.700 that area right i've i've grown up there all my life it is essentially church fates and schools

00:11:09.200 and and to know that they've been there even it's like literally swindon and wiltshire mate

00:11:15.080 they're on the eye of white like to yeah to want to see wiltshire i mean what six years ago wiltshire

00:11:19.700 was the safest place in the entire country, lowest crime rate

00:11:22.560 in all of Britain, and now we learn we've got rape gangs here.

00:11:25.900 See, and this is not, no pun intended, the white spots on that map,

00:11:32.600 are they lower or is there no gang activity there purely 1.00

00:11:36.520 because they either have very low or no Muslim populations

00:11:39.120 or is there something else at play?

00:11:40.480 No, they're mostly white British population areas.

00:11:42.800 As in, you know, has there been, you know, better prevention,

00:11:47.240 you know campaigns or that sort of thing or is it purely a function of demography it's it's a

00:11:51.600 function of demography it's a function of um because there are no colonies existing there

00:11:56.040 there will be there's no reason for the trafficking networks to actually take the

00:11:58.940 girls there to find eligible customers um but also those are all provisionally unaffected

00:12:04.860 because it could just be that there are areas across the country that haven't had anything

00:12:08.100 reported yet there haven't been any investigations there have been no convictions almost certainly

00:12:11.760 yeah yeah and the inquiry again as you say it's it's not ethnically or religiously partisan it's

00:12:16.160 also non-party political, because it implicates both the Conservatives and Labour Party in this.

00:12:22.460 Nobody's hands are clean. It points out Jess Phillips and Naz Shah, both not friends of this

00:12:27.680 channel because of their behaviour, they've maintained public silence on the ethnic and

00:12:32.540 religious patterns of the gangs while their constituencies suffered. Jess Phillips tried to

00:12:36.500 block a local inquiry in Oldham, Naz Shah... She didn't just try, she just kicked her back to the 0.98

00:12:41.180 council in Oldham and said, do it yourself. Exactly, when they said, we are incapable of

00:12:44.300 doing so. He would like you to do it because you're the government. Exactly. And then she

00:12:47.220 tried to depict herself as the real victim because Elon Musk criticised her for it.

00:12:50.840 Yeah. So I agree with you entirely that this is a problem that cuts across political parties. At

00:12:55.840 the same time, these areas that we're looking at are overwhelmingly Labor-run councils. And the

00:13:00.920 second thing I would say is that the left of politics, more so than the right, goes on and 0.68

00:13:06.260 on about women's rights and equality and all that kind of stuff, but then has this hypocrisy and

00:13:12.340 blind spot here in a way which i don't think the right of politics does to the same extent um yes

00:13:17.540 hypocrisy not to the same extent yes but i'm i'm speaking in terms of like the actual concrete

00:13:23.000 politicians and these respective parties not the not the factions like for example we know that

00:13:27.680 george osborne told ed balls on his podcast that the cameron government knew about the rape gangs

00:13:32.200 they had inherited all the notes the labor government under blair had and they didn't

00:13:35.800 exploit it because they said it had insufficient political capital to attack their opposition

00:13:39.200 I mean it's just

00:13:40.420 which is crazy

00:13:41.160 because you'd think

00:13:41.840 this is overwhelming

00:13:43.220 political capital

00:13:44.080 sorry the Labour Party

00:13:45.320 have brought in

00:13:45.780 a foreign constituency

00:13:46.500 and they're letting them 1.00

00:13:47.320 rape English girls 1.00

00:13:48.120 how could you not 1.00

00:13:49.560 make political hate

00:13:50.280 out of that?

00:13:50.580 doesn't have political

00:13:51.180 capital in Westminster

00:13:52.080 crazy right?

00:13:53.340 or to David Cameron

00:13:54.100 who's an arch-Arabist

00:13:55.700 and kept giving

00:13:56.760 speeches in Muslim

00:13:58.160 conferences saying

00:13:58.780 we need Muslims

00:13:59.320 at the highest echelons

00:14:00.100 of the Conservative Party

00:14:00.720 I mean he was the one

00:14:01.620 who literally turned

00:14:02.540 the Conservative Party

00:14:03.600 into a diversity party

00:14:04.620 yeah he appointed

00:14:05.200 Baroness Forsey

00:14:05.920 as the Conservative Party

00:14:07.300 he put in the shortlist

00:14:08.200 he transformed the Conservative Party

00:14:10.900 into a Blairite Party

00:14:11.780 so there we go

00:14:13.860 they also name Rory Stewart in here

00:14:15.680 Alice Campbell's best friend

00:14:17.440 they say that

00:14:18.300 Rory Stewart publicly described the issue

00:14:19.900 as a small problem

00:14:20.560 confined to the north of England

00:14:21.640 and downplayed the national reality

00:14:22.880 and thus showed the attitude

00:14:24.000 of at the very least

00:14:25.160 a large section of the party

00:14:26.620 and they do mention Andy Burnham

00:14:28.260 of course

00:14:28.620 last week we covered

00:14:29.580 Andy Burnham's complicity

00:14:30.560 in burying the grooming gang's

00:14:32.520 bodies in Greater Manchester's backyard

00:14:34.400 they note that

00:14:35.440 when he commissioned the findings

00:14:36.620 in 2017

00:14:37.220 he commissioned a limited independent review that concluded that authorities had failed to

00:14:41.060 protect children from the gangs in Manchester, Oldham and Rochdale. I think it was six in ten

00:14:45.500 of Greater Manchester Combined Authority areas have had rape gangs prosecuted in them. But,

00:14:51.540 as I mentioned before, despite him being Police and Crime Commissioner,

00:14:54.540 no local authorities were held to account. No police officers were sacked or prosecuted. No

00:14:59.700 social workers were prosecuted. And yet he continues to defend his record.

00:15:05.140 When we hear about this, and I would call it complicity from these sorts of politicians

00:15:08.900 who heard this stuff going on and didn't do anything, how much of this do you think is

00:15:13.200 just cold, hard, you know, cynical electoral maths where they go, I need to maintain my 0.69

00:15:19.000 popularity with ethnic groups and Muslim groups? 0.99

00:15:21.720 And how much of it do you think is the ideological commitment to this multicultural project,

00:15:25.920 which they know if they were to take this on, the whole worldview comes shattering down?

00:15:30.220 I know it's a bit of both, but where do you see the split?

00:15:32.860 I think it's both, and I think there's a third element, which is cold indifference.

00:15:36.400 Classism.

00:15:36.980 Yeah, these people are beneath their moral consideration.

00:15:40.080 It's the same snobbish attitude you get from Westminster outlets and people in political parties,

00:15:45.080 where they see immigration or demographics or migrant crime as like a gauche topic that's beneath them.

00:15:50.680 It's the Fraser-Nelson mindset.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, it's the problem of the white working classes, who are themselves interpolated as being scummy Tommy Robinson supporters. 0.69

00:16:01.700 The final stumbling block. 0.74

00:16:02.600 multiculturalism but not but not just that that's kind of like an ideological perspective

00:16:06.760 there's a kind of personal revulsions i don't want to be associated with those people i don't 0.76

00:16:11.660 feel represented by those people because what are they drinking their beer and singing football

00:16:15.180 hooligan chants and whatnot i'm not like them i'm an obeying refined uh socialite who i mean

00:16:21.560 roy stewart that was the perfect description oh it's a small problem confined to some northern

00:16:26.620 areas it's like well i'm sure if you're a 13 year old girl who comes from a broken home 0.99

00:16:31.240 who's being trafficked and molested and raped by hundreds of Muslim men, 0.99

00:16:35.540 it doesn't actually feel like that's small a problem. 0.99

00:16:38.260 It's not that small a problem.

00:16:39.500 It's actually the worst thing that could possibly be happening to you. 1.00

00:16:41.960 And Roy Stewart was like, yeah, but you are working class white English, 0.97

00:16:44.400 so I don't care. 0.69

00:16:46.120 But this is also the left.

00:16:47.440 They care about the oppressed minority,

00:16:50.320 which may be a very small percentage of the population all the time.

00:16:52.680 They'll care about the oppressed, you know, trans rights, for example.

00:16:55.920 Well, they'll say they do.

00:16:56.920 Yeah, they'll say they do.

00:16:58.340 But again, it's just interesting that they will pick and choose

00:17:00.760 which particular minorities they invest their emotional energy into.

00:17:04.480 Yeah, it's disproportionately the ones that are perpetrators of such crimes.

00:17:07.680 The inquiry has a succinct summary of the patterns that they found across witness testimonies.

00:17:13.600 They heard harrowing testimony from survivors and their families.

00:17:16.520 The method used to groom children typically followed the same process.

00:17:19.140 Girls as young as 11 were initially befriended by a young Muslim man 0.59

00:17:22.360 who then treated the child like an adult and would start providing them with alcohol, drugs and cigarettes.

00:17:26.740 after a few months. The girls would then be collected from school gates, care homes and 1.00

00:17:30.720 streets in taxis. They were taken to houses, flats, restaurants and hotels where they were 0.78

00:17:34.840 raped repeatedly by groups of men, tortured, filmed for blackmail and were told they were 1.00

00:17:37.960 white trash or kuffar who merited punishment. Many become pregnant while still children. Some 1.00

00:17:43.600 miscarried under trauma, others endured coerced abortions, some gave birth to the children who

00:17:47.640 were later confiscated by the state. Survivors described daily rapes, red rooms of extreme

00:17:53.340 torture, trafficking between cities, and institutional disbelief that compounded their

00:17:57.180 sufferings. Some girls were even trafficked to the Middle East where they would endure Islamic

00:18:00.580 marriage, and some have never been recovered from there. So some people have proposed there needs 0.96

00:18:06.540 to be an international effort to sort of launch expeditions to recover our girls. So there are

00:18:10.300 currently English girls as slaves in Pakistan at the moment, right? And again, that was something 0.99

00:18:15.800 that was never uncovered before this inquiry. So for all of the people that said, what's the point

00:18:19.460 of a non-statutory inquiry, well, it didn't take forever

00:18:22.580 and it's uncovered all sorts of new avenues of exploration

00:18:25.580 for a willing government to actually explore.

00:18:28.700 I mean, any inquiry that is not bounded by concerns

00:18:31.520 of political correctness is a valuable thing in and of itself.

00:18:34.440 But can I add a third argument to that?

00:18:35.840 And I spoke about this on Patrick Christie's show last night.

00:18:38.920 You know, A, this government-led inquiry is not independent

00:18:43.160 if they're the ones who pick the chair

00:18:44.560 and they're the ones who set the parameters of the inquiry.

00:18:46.540 So let's cut this nonsense that this will be a hands-off,

00:18:49.460 independent inquiry it's not by the very nature of how it was set up but the other thing is and

00:18:53.600 again if something that we've become very clear in the last few weeks is in the response to novak

00:18:58.860 in the response to belfast you have seen the establishment double down and try and cover 0.64

00:19:03.580 their own ass as a in order to try and protect this whole multicultural narrative which is their

00:19:08.800 religion so i've got absolutely no faith that an inquiry which ultimately the end goal would be or 0.97

00:19:14.620 the end outcome of what would be if it is sincere is a rejection of that ideology there's no way

00:19:20.360 that you can see it as a credible as a credible um as a credible investigation no way the culprits

00:19:25.220 are never going to profess to their own guilt so we just can't do it and one of the things they'll

00:19:29.000 never examine is of course the role of islam and there is a weighty section in this paper going

00:19:34.300 into the theological the sociological reasons why the gangs use islam as a binding agent to

00:19:40.720 find new customers, to keep a code of silence, but also why they use it to justify the abuse of white

00:19:46.900 non-Muslim British girls. I'll just read a small section. The gang members' justification for their

00:19:52.660 crimes can be found in the Islamic principles of loyalty and disavowal, known as al-wala walbara,

00:19:58.280 or there's also the concept of asabaya, which is clannish in-group solidarity. It demands enmity 0.97

00:20:02.920 towards non-Muslims, the superiority of men over women, forced marriage combined with the absence 0.70

00:20:07.720 of any fixed minimum age of consent, the perception of female sexuality as inherently 0.94

00:20:11.660 dangerous, a fitna, a temptation to be resisted, a system of sex slavery that authorizes sexual

00:20:16.780 relations with non-Muslim captives, bond women, and religiously sanctioned social hierarchy that 0.99

00:20:21.640 subjugates conquered non-Muslims. These elements filtered through the clannish immigrant subcultures 0.87

00:20:26.220 of Pakistan and Somalia, provided religious justification that enabled the systematic 0.97

00:20:30.840 rape and even slaughter of white British girls. And there were multiple survivors that said

00:20:35.020 blonde women are treated as witches in Pakistan. So we had to get extra maltreatment. We had to 1.00

00:20:41.300 kiss the feet of our Muslim abusers. We were told if we were lined up in a care home that we had to 1.00

00:20:47.040 stare at the floor because we locked eyes with one of them. That was a sign in the Quran that 0.64

00:20:50.720 if a woman locks eyes with a man, it means that she is inviting him to have sex with her. These 0.99

00:20:54.880 are children. This is a very complicated question, but we are talking not just about Muslim men,

00:21:02.060 predominantly Pakistani Muslim men, how much of this sort of mentality is derived from the

00:21:08.420 culture of Pakistan and how much is derived from the Islamic element? And I know that they are

00:21:14.380 intertwined. Well, that's the point, actually, I think. I'm not sure they're extricable. I'm not

00:21:19.860 sure you could remove the current culture of Pakistan from the Islamic influence. 1.00

00:21:24.680 Well, maybe frame it the other way. Why are they predominantly coming from this Pakistani Muslim 0.92

00:21:29.220 culture and not from other Muslim

00:21:31.340 countries. That's just the demographic

00:21:33.140 realities of our post-imperial

00:21:35.420 immigration policy. Right, okay, that's interesting.

00:21:37.260 In the last 10 or 15 years, and even

00:21:39.300 Louise Casey has pointed this out, you've had 0.67

00:21:41.340 refugees from, I mean 1.00

00:21:43.220 there's an Afghan grooming gang

00:21:45.020 charged in Norwich

00:21:47.460 a couple of weeks ago. You've got them

00:21:49.380 now joining the existing established 1.00

00:21:51.380 rape gang. Wasn't one in Northern Ireland Afghan 0.99

00:21:53.400 as well? I'm not sure.

00:21:55.880 But there's a Somalian one in Bristol.

00:21:57.560 There are members from

00:21:58.820 Iraq. There are Kurds in this. And it's because Islam acts as a binding agent. And there are

00:22:04.600 verses in the Quran and the Hadith that says essentially the bond of brotherhood between

00:22:09.080 believers does not liquidate the blood bond between brothers. And so what Islam did is it 0.95

00:22:15.160 mapped almost ideologically onto the clan structure of 7th century Arabia. And it just so happens that 0.87

00:22:20.740 in countries in the Indian subcontinent where you have a really high level of clannishness 0.75

00:22:25.900 of cousin marriage that that just codifies that clan structure same with Somalia and so 0.96

00:22:32.060 the Venn diagram is basically a circle bro you just can't have these people here honestly and

00:22:36.980 some of the some of the statements from witnesses corroborate this and they're just horrendous so

00:22:40.940 there's there's one woman euphemized as Taylor some of the names of euphemism to protect their

00:22:44.220 identity um before they raped me they would chant Bishmila Hir Rahman Nir Rahim translation in the

00:22:50.240 name of Allah the most gracious and the most merciful so they would see this as a sort of 0.59

00:22:53.680 religious ritual. What's the sort of thing they say in the mosque? Literally, when they go into

00:22:57.320 the mosque, that's what they say, right? Yeah. Some girls were forcibly converted to Islam and

00:23:01.500 dragged to mosques where they would receive sermons where the imams would say white girls 1.00

00:23:05.540 deserve to do this because they're basically sexually advanced. Taj Hargay, who's the cleric 1.00

00:23:09.120 at the Oxford Islamic Congregation, has been blowing the whistle on this for about 13 years,

00:23:12.720 to his absolute credit. Jen said, they have no compassion for the young girls that are out on

00:23:16.960 the streets and they see us as slags, white trash. English pig dogs came up a lot because Muslims 1.00

00:23:20.660 done like pigs and dogs so they hate dogs hate pigs and they put women uh on the same level 1.00

00:23:26.280 one survivor said they used to tell her things about the good angel and the bad angel and that 0.98

00:23:30.800 i've been possessed and they've got to punish me to get the badness out of me that's why they have

00:23:35.200 to rape me and do all this stuff to me to get the badness out of me so it's essentially like a

00:23:37.880 jinn exorcism yeah there's children what well this is just an excuse to be able to do the terrible 0.93

00:23:46.440 things they're doing yeah of course yeah and and this is the same when they've sort of blamed

00:23:50.400 jinns before to exculpate themselves from responsibility um but it's absolutely the

00:23:55.680 case that they either derive a justification from the scripture or they use the scripture

00:23:59.140 as window dressing yeah so um from victoria who's the mother of one of the victims she discovered

00:24:04.780 muslim clothing and a quran and a prayer mat hidden under her daughter's bed her daughter

00:24:08.320 began quoting the quran and praying five times a day and this sudden change in beliefs coincided

00:24:12.760 with a secret relationship with an Algerian Muslim student. After meeting the man, she

00:24:17.680 repeatedly attempted suicide. During one hospital say, the police removed her daughter from her

00:24:23.660 and transported her to the address of her abuser's brother. There, her daughter was

00:24:29.080 subjected to mental and physical abuse, including strangulation, death threats, rape, and financial

00:24:33.800 exploitation. Money was funneled through her abuser's brother's bank account, and then the

00:24:38.960 man and his family racially abused her, calling her a white slag, and pressured her to drop all 0.97

00:24:44.080 complaints, filed to the police, and then marry their son. Apparently, Prevent also knew of her 0.99

00:24:50.200 abuser, but was slow to act. So the police and social services are proactively handing the girls

00:24:56.560 over to their rapists. I mean, there was one case in Bradford where a 13-year-old girl had her social

00:25:01.500 worker sign the paperwork to have her adopted by her rapist's parents and then attend the 0.80

00:25:06.280 traditional islamic marriage that she was married off to her abuser in right one of the things i

00:25:12.640 hate about this is there's a kind of attitude of that a woman can be fallen right and this 1.00

00:25:20.320 attitude pervades much of the third world um and this is why they call them slags and white trash 0.97

00:25:25.820 and kafar and all this sort of thing where if a woman has had her dignity violated this is 0.98

00:25:33.260 essentially a kind of unrecoverable position and therefore you are essentially permitted to do 0.99

00:25:37.120 whatever you like to this woman because she is an undignified woman she doesn't have the protection 1.00

00:25:42.660 of the reputation of a family she doesn't have her own personal um innocence or sanctity intact 1.00

00:25:50.360 she can't confer any benefits on the family by being associated with sure but what but what that 0.99

00:25:54.620 means is well once once this dignity um has been stripped from the woman then she's fair game and 0.70

00:26:01.540 you saw this in the sheffield event where the girl was raped picked up again and raped and then 0.92

00:26:05.920 picked up again raped a third time on the same day in this community and it's and that's only

00:26:12.220 possible if you think okay well if everyone around has the attitude that well once this 0.86

00:26:17.320 like veil of innocence or sanctity has been stripped away from the woman then she is just

00:26:22.760 community property right that that's that's only possible with that kind of attitude and that is 1.00

00:26:27.680 an attitude that pervades almost the entire third world this this is why the women are some of the 1.00

00:26:32.960 most conservative people you'll ever meet because they understand that actually protecting their own 0.99

00:26:37.740 sanctity is protecting themselves physically what infuriates me is that you will have leftists who

00:26:45.120 will point to a few friendly muslims that they know who have been westernized and that becomes

00:26:49.520 your argument against um that being a cultural problem amongst groups of muslim people in

00:26:55.880 aggregate um and it's it doesn't hold up to scrutiny again it doesn't hold up to any sense

00:27:00.820 of logic but it is a very very convenient way to stop having these uncomfortable conversations

00:27:06.160 that's exactly what it is yes exactly and uh despite all this the inquiry notes that the

00:27:12.360 crime and disorder act 1998 and sentencing council guidelines explicitly permit in cases of

00:27:17.360 demonstrated hostility uh they require an uplift in the imposed sentence where the offense is

00:27:23.580 aggravated by racial and religious hostility. As you've mentioned before, they couldn't find one

00:27:28.340 case where the sentences were increased based on racial and religious aggravation for a rape gang

00:27:35.460 charge. I've looked, I've just never seen any example of a non-white person being convicted

00:27:41.200 of a crime against a white person and it also being a hate crime. And I imagine there is several 0.93

00:27:47.220 instances where there have been mitigating factors. For example, you know, the person may

00:27:51.080 come from a foreign culture. They didn't understand our ways. That is a mitigating factor. Oh, poor 1.00

00:27:56.500 them. They were abused or they were a minority in their country of origin. That's a mitigating

00:28:03.100 factor. I imagine there's plenty that go the other way. We have limitless compassion for the people

00:28:07.100 that would destroy the lives of our children. So in terms of the course of action, the inquiry

00:28:11.360 makes a series of recommendations. They say, we intend to release the full witness testimonies,

00:28:16.420 gather additional survivor accounts, identifies those responsible in Parliament for ignoring

00:28:21.300 this, who have been approached by survivors before and been inactive, and begin civil and private

00:28:25.860 legal actions to ensure maximum accountability. And that's what the proceeds of the inquiry that

00:28:30.020 haven't been spent yet will probably be spent on pursuing prosecutions. They recommend the

00:28:33.760 sentencing council must be required by statute to revise guidelines so that group-based child

00:28:37.600 sexual exploitation carries a starting point of life imprisonment with a minimum tariff

00:28:41.340 of 50 years for ringleaders and 25 participants. Rupert Law obviously wants to give him the death

00:28:45.580 penalty so do i um there is an entire section of deportations which is that every foreign criminal

00:28:50.980 foreign national convicted must at the very least be deported any british citizen convicted of these

00:28:55.800 offenses holds dual nationality must lose their citizenship upon conviction and also be deported

00:29:01.160 i can ask a question on the deportation issue because this is something i was struggling with

00:29:04.460 last night when i was thinking about it i agree with you i think you know these these people

00:29:07.840 should be put to death uh let's say you cannot get that um that the the death penalty supported

00:29:14.620 um uh in the country so your options are uh keeping them here in jail or deporting them 0.98

00:29:21.780 um how do you feel about the fact that you would deport them and then they potentially escape the

00:29:27.820 justice that is owed to them by being put in a very very uncomfortable you know jail cell for

00:29:32.380 rest of their lives well i mean that that's a real um issue because in in their countries um

00:29:38.380 maybe what they've done isn't really seemed to be a crime right so okay we send them back to

00:29:43.920 pakistan or wherever why do they care yeah they're not going to punish them and so that's a genuine 0.71

00:29:49.080 question we shouldn't be paying for them for the rest i know but they should be punished is the

00:29:53.300 alternative argument and that's something i really struggle with and i'm i'm actually very sympathetic 1.00

00:29:57.120 to this which is why i'm part of the seven percent of this country who wants to bring back floggings

00:30:01.260 um i'm not even joking it's been polled i'd agree half more than half people want to bring back the

00:30:05.980 death penalty but only seven percent want to bring back foggings and i'm one of those where's heads

00:30:09.480 on spikes on uh on tower bridge where we at with that one i guess that'll be rolled into foggings

00:30:14.520 but um but yeah so no i i i am genuinely concerned about this because a lot of people will just get

00:30:19.520 rid of them it's like yeah but then they get nice long lives comfortably in pakistan yeah or wherever

00:30:24.400 where they get to be upstanding members of their community and i i hate it and i you know if my 0.94

00:30:30.300 daughter was gang raped and then we said well you know what i don't want to pay for them in jail

00:30:34.260 i go you know what i i don't either but sorry um pay you know pay the money because these people

00:30:41.000 deserve the justice that that you know should come to them i think that the most sensible settlement

00:30:46.220 and i think the public appetite would be there for this is the death penalty for the perpetrators

00:30:50.760 and then as it says here where a perpetrator has family members in britain who have supported

00:30:54.660 harbored or failed to report the offending which is the pakistani community writ large

00:30:58.160 the entire immediate family must also face deportation proceedings themselves now some 0.97

00:31:02.700 of these people will have been brought in britain good um these paperwork given can be taken away

00:31:07.380 and i do think this is the grounds now for the amount of evidence we have for just the expulsion

00:31:12.320 of pakistanis from britain we just can't have this anymore like it's just not worth it just

00:31:16.520 not worth it they make a series of other recommendations including like getting rid of

00:31:20.040 the equality act getting rid of the race relations act because they've hermetically sealed these

00:31:24.020 crimes. They've imposed the public sector equality duty on the state, which they then use as an

00:31:29.860 excuse to say, we can look the other way. They said to pass a Childhood Sexual Exploitation Act,

00:31:34.940 which expunges the convictions for children who were convicted of crimes who were being groomed

00:31:39.220 by gangs at the time, because unfortunately, plenty of women have had that. They've proposed

00:31:43.900 to automatically remove the parental rights from convicted rapists, in sort of Savi Woodhouse's

00:31:48.020 case, ban sharia marriages and establish a multi-agency coordination on child sexual

00:31:53.920 exploitation, a uniform framework across police forces. So we have a standard to ensure that one 1.00

00:31:57.800 police force can't slack on their duties and ensure that more of these happen again.

00:32:03.000 These are all very, very sensible recommendations to the extent that I can't see really how any

00:32:07.320 sensible person could disagree with them. And I put this again last night on the show,

00:32:11.060 I put it to the lefty on the panel who was saying, well, you know what, this didn't have

00:32:17.240 statutory authority, this report, the methodology was questionable, yada, yada, yada. We need to

00:32:25.340 have an independent inquiry. We need to have due process followed. And I said, look, number one,

00:32:29.480 this is going to take years by which time the people who actually need to be able to account

00:32:33.380 will be off somewhere else and the world will have moved on. The other thing is as well,

00:32:39.360 just look at the recommendations, judge them on their merits and actually say, well, why shouldn't

00:32:44.440 we implement those immediately. But instead, the deflection was, well, Rupert Lowe has a political

00:32:48.360 agenda. So that is what you are going to get coming up. And you need to push back and say

00:32:52.060 really clearly, forget the politics around this. Look at each of those individual policies,

00:32:58.240 and they are all very responsible. We cannot wait three or four years to stuff around when really

00:33:04.960 this stuff still goes on now and action needs to be taken now. The clearest examples of this are

00:33:08.600 the two recommendations to have mandatory gathering of nationality and ethnicity data

00:33:13.720 of all perpetrators of child sexual abuse

00:33:15.840 and reporting on it.

00:33:16.900 It's insane we don't.

00:33:17.740 But the other one is mandatory safeguarding requirements

00:33:19.780 for the NHS, social workers, police.

00:33:22.680 When there are signs of child sexual exploitation,

00:33:24.660 for example, some of these girls were taken in

00:33:25.800 with multiple STDs, pregnancies.

00:33:28.360 They were like 12.

00:33:29.700 And the NHS just gave them some painkillers,

00:33:31.560 patted them on the back and told them to go on their way.

00:33:32.860 Well, a lot of the time they give them birth control. 0.51

00:33:34.500 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:34.880 Give them birth control. 0.96

00:33:35.980 It's a 12-year-old girl. 0.98

00:33:37.100 What are you doing?

00:33:37.980 The fact there isn't a statutory obligation there

00:33:39.760 that public sector officials can fall afoul of is insane.

00:33:42.840 And that should be the case.

00:33:43.720 So I just want to finish with a couple of seconds on the reaction.

00:33:47.280 So Rupert Lowe has made this promise, and he's just said, what happens next?

00:33:50.260 He's going to use parliamentary privilege to name perpetrators and their enablers in the chamber

00:33:53.720 who they don't think there is a realistic prospect of securing private prosecutions for,

00:33:58.280 whereas other names will be withheld in order to secure those private prosecutions

00:34:01.740 based on the amount of evidence in this report,

00:34:04.380 including the appendix that just lists all the agencies with some redacted names that have failed.

00:34:09.740 But as you said, Will, there are some people that are engaging in motivated reasoning

00:34:12.920 and ignoring this.

00:34:14.260 So, for example,

00:34:15.240 I want to,

00:34:16.160 as Restore Britain

00:34:17.360 pointed out,

00:34:18.460 Daily Mail dedicated

00:34:19.160 over the weekend

00:34:20.500 two front pages

00:34:21.700 to attacking

00:34:22.240 Restore Britain activists.

00:34:23.340 19-year-old guy,

00:34:24.180 Angloid,

00:34:25.000 calling him a neo-Nazi

00:34:26.580 based on fabricated quotes

00:34:28.100 by Stand Up to Racism.

00:34:29.400 Complete silence

00:34:30.840 on the rape gangs.

00:34:32.180 One of the only people

00:34:32.700 that has covered it

00:34:33.240 are yourself

00:34:34.040 and Patrick Christis

00:34:34.860 last night.

00:34:36.120 All the other press.

00:34:37.180 No, no, to their credit,

00:34:38.160 the Daily Express

00:34:38.740 covered it as well.

00:34:39.380 Daily Express did as well.

00:34:40.320 Excellent.

00:34:40.960 To their credit.

00:34:41.360 And because of the story that I opened with, the reopening of other cases, a bunch of other respectable mainstream TV news stations were covering it to say that this is a-

00:34:52.020 Did you just call Ed Balls respectable?

00:34:54.020 Respectable in that quote.

00:34:55.860 Sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but that caught me off guard.

00:34:58.940 Ed Balls is wanting to cover this because, of course, the reopening of the cases is as a result of the announced local inquiries that, obviously, his wife was the previous Home Secretary and helped commission.

00:35:09.520 It's Yvette Cooper, just in case.

00:35:10.500 Yes.

00:35:11.360 Sammy Woodhouse, who was one of the leads on the Rape Gang Inquiry,

00:35:14.560 actually went live on Good Morning Britain and exposed that before she went on air,

00:35:18.640 one of the producers had told her not to mention the race or ethnicity or religion of the men who abused her.

00:35:24.460 No. And they had to do damage control live.

00:35:26.840 They said, we've been discussing it all morning. We don't know why that happened.

00:35:29.760 We promise you no one was there.

00:35:31.100 She went, well, someone did say that to me.

00:35:33.300 And then just to finish on two particular name and shames.

00:35:36.020 um the response by some people who seek to game from partisan reasons on this has been disgraceful

00:35:42.580 uh there's there's a woman here who is a an independent councillor for for i think shropshire

00:35:47.780 um she did a video where she was laughing about the report um she accused the report of confusing

00:35:54.120 county lines and the difference between counties with county lines which means phone lines it's

00:35:58.880 not the case not what they're referring to um they did some digging and it turns out this

00:36:02.020 independent councillor is actually on the reform payroll. So there might be some sort of reason

00:36:07.780 for her to take a malicious interpretation. And the same goes for Nadine Dorries, who decided

00:36:11.840 last night to say that Rupert Lowe uses rape victims for political gain before a by-election.

00:36:18.000 Is he a misogynist? As I respond to that. What a ridiculous phrase. Just delete your account.

00:36:23.360 So dumb. Just delete your account. So there are still people to this day, after reading this 1.00

00:36:27.500 report, maybe they haven't read it, but they've got no excuse not to. There are still people to

00:36:31.220 this day that will see the screenshots of the most heinous abuse circulating on Twitter.

00:36:35.540 And instead of saying the report's recommendations, as you said, Will, are independent and they're

00:36:41.360 non-statutory, but they're sensible and we should all adopt them for the sake of the children,

00:36:45.040 there are people that will instead seek to attack the character of the people that conducted the

00:36:49.520 inquiry to make personal political games. But coming back to your point, it's like, well,

00:36:53.240 Rupert Lowe's doing this for political reasons, for a political agenda. Well, he's a politician.

00:36:57.460 Everything is political.

00:36:58.080 Yeah, but not only is outside of the political arena

00:37:01.360 everything's still political,

00:37:02.760 but Rupert Lowe is literally a politician.

00:37:04.980 It's hardly unreasonable to say

00:37:06.100 that politician's got a political agenda.

00:37:08.020 It's such a non-charge.

00:37:10.120 I mean, look at them parading the corpse of Joe Cox

00:37:12.520 around at the moment,

00:37:13.260 saying, look, we need to advance left-wing multiculturalism

00:37:16.520 under the banner of Joe Cox.

00:37:17.860 That's what she would have wanted.

00:37:18.900 Okay, you're using her death for political gain.

00:37:21.560 Everyone does this.

00:37:22.480 You do this all the time.

00:37:23.520 This tweet is political.

00:37:25.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:25.460 The Dean Donnery is a politician.

00:37:27.980 It's political.

00:37:28.680 She's defending by proxy here, with insinuation,

00:37:32.360 the politicians like Boris that brought in thousands

00:37:34.600 of said rapists into the country.

00:37:36.360 But all it boils down to is saying,

00:37:38.720 he is a politician I don't support.

00:37:41.060 That's what they're really saying when they say,

00:37:42.560 oh, they're using it for political gain.

00:37:43.840 Well, you would use it for political gain

00:37:45.520 if it was for your cause, for your side.

00:37:47.440 And so it literally just comes down to, he's not my guy.

00:37:49.840 And look, the real tragedy of this is, and again,

00:37:52.580 I am pragmatic enough to know that the right is now

00:37:55.640 at the point where, you know, we're not going to all sit down

00:37:58.040 and hold hands and sing kumbaya.

00:38:00.360 And for me personally, I am not going to pick a team,

00:38:04.920 A, because whilst for some unknown reason I can vote

00:38:07.960 in this country, I don't think I should be allowed

00:38:09.480 to vote in this country as a foreign national. 1.00

00:38:11.400 No, you're an Anglo. 0.84

00:38:12.380 No, I think until I'm a citizen. 1.00

00:38:14.080 I agree with you.

00:38:14.800 Until I'm a citizen, I should not have the right

00:38:16.540 to vote in this country.

00:38:17.480 I agree with you.

00:38:17.840 So I think me picking sides, and also for my job at the moment,

00:38:20.960 I think at the moment, it is better to focus on policy and issues and have a set of principles

00:38:25.900 that I believe in. But for too many people, if there's one issue, maybe that you should go,

00:38:31.460 you know what, put the restore v. reform thing to one side for 24 hours, it is this. Just say,

00:38:37.860 well done for putting a lot on this, Rupert. Good job. We'll go back and take up arms again

00:38:42.480 tomorrow. And if Nigel Farage had actually done this inquiry, like he said he was going to,

00:38:46.460 I'd be the person saying

00:38:48.020 look I don't support Nigel Farage

00:38:49.760 but well done this was needed

00:38:51.740 this was necessary

00:38:52.860 it's really not that hard

00:38:54.700 and you know what

00:38:55.320 it would then take a lot of sting

00:38:56.820 out of restore attacks as well

00:38:58.920 again you know like

00:38:59.960 the whole Streisand effect thing here

00:39:01.760 has been fascinating

00:39:02.620 anyway let's move on

00:39:05.380 we'll move on to the next one

00:39:07.020 which will I mean infuriate you

00:39:09.240 having heard about that

00:39:10.380 yeah given what you've just heard

00:39:12.660 this is going to make you even more angry

00:39:13.960 so it turns out

00:39:15.920 that Henry Novak's killer,

00:39:18.120 Vikram Digwar,

00:39:18.800 the brother of Vikram Digwar,

00:39:20.400 who made the false 999 call,

00:39:23.560 who accused Novak of racism,

00:39:25.020 who prejudiced the officers

00:39:26.360 who were going to arrive on scene

00:39:28.160 and tend to his wounds

00:39:29.180 rather than calling an ambulance

00:39:30.480 against Henry

00:39:31.920 and caused him to bleed to death

00:39:33.120 in handcuffs.

00:39:33.840 Turns out he's not going to get charged.

00:39:35.480 I just can't understand this.

00:39:36.980 Yeah.

00:39:37.480 He is...

00:39:38.100 I thought being an accessory to a murder...

00:39:41.040 I thought that was a crime.

00:39:42.260 He is just as responsible

00:39:43.300 for Henry's death as his brother.

00:39:44.460 Well, I mean...

00:39:45.460 Is it, though?

00:39:46.720 I mean, like, this is just unbelievable.

00:39:50.060 Genuinely unbelievable.

00:39:51.240 There's so much.

00:39:52.180 And the things, we've all seen the evidence.

00:39:53.800 We've heard the call.

00:39:55.060 We've seen the body cam footage of him deliberately obscuring

00:39:58.340 what has actually happened here.

00:39:59.720 How can he not be judged?

00:40:00.720 He was in the back of the car speaking in Punjabi to his brother

00:40:02.860 admitting to the stabbing and still didn't.

00:40:04.720 Trying to figure out how they could get away with it.

00:40:06.580 Exactly.

00:40:07.420 This is on tape.

00:40:08.840 It's all on tape.

00:40:09.280 It's not like they're going, oh, well,

00:40:10.700 this will just be too difficult to prosecute.

00:40:12.980 You know, like, we don't have the evidence there.

00:40:14.760 we were not going to meet the evidentiary burden.

00:40:16.800 It's like, I personally have heard him saying it.

00:40:19.680 So how is this possible?

00:40:21.600 Yeah, Hampshire police did not ask the Crown Prosecution Service

00:40:24.140 to consider any case whatsoever against Gurpreet.

00:40:26.840 Anti-racism police force.

00:40:27.980 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:28.720 They're still acting off of their textbook,

00:40:31.340 even after a man is dead.

00:40:33.500 And you're not allowed to be angry about this, of course,

00:40:35.400 because that would be causing division.

00:40:37.540 This has been Keir Starmer's line

00:40:38.720 that Henry Novak's family wants you to look the other way.

00:40:42.200 So you don't look back in anger, of course.

00:40:43.820 And it's conspicuous how pretty much every family decides to say this.

00:40:47.660 And I picked up on this at the time and I actually, I didn't really want to say anything

00:40:51.540 because nobody wants to pick holes in the speech delivered by a grieving father.

00:40:56.840 But there were some conspicuous patterns in the rhetoric that Mark Novak read out from

00:41:01.320 the sheet outside St. Fabton Crown Court when Vikram Digwell was, when he was sentenced.

00:41:06.280 And this includes saying, Henry was one of the most inclusive individuals.

00:41:09.980 Yeah.

00:41:10.740 That was a bit strange. 1.00

00:41:11.880 This is not a case about Sikhism.

00:41:13.180 this is not a case about racism

00:41:14.300 when it literally was.

00:41:15.220 It couldn't be anything else

00:41:16.380 at this point.

00:41:16.920 Henry died because of

00:41:17.640 false charges of racism

00:41:18.540 and the reason he was stabbed

00:41:20.020 is because the Sikh 1.00

00:41:20.640 was carrying around 1.00

00:41:21.340 a whopping great dagger

00:41:22.200 because he sees himself

00:41:22.900 as a Sikh warrior.

00:41:24.060 And then,

00:41:24.620 and I've mistyped this here,

00:41:25.620 but he said,

00:41:26.160 to solve the issue,

00:41:27.260 this doesn't mean

00:41:27.700 going to extremes.

00:41:28.900 All right.

00:41:29.320 So don't inflame division.

00:41:31.580 That first line is the giveaway.

00:41:33.400 No father says

00:41:34.400 Henry was one of the

00:41:35.340 most inclusive individuals.

00:41:36.460 They would say something like

00:41:37.360 Henry loved everybody.

00:41:38.640 Yes.

00:41:39.100 What does that even mean,

00:41:40.320 being an inclusive individual?

00:41:41.660 It doesn't make any sense.

00:41:44.560 Inclusivity has to be a collective endeavour

00:41:46.400 on the very basis of it.

00:41:47.320 That's true as well.

00:41:48.440 Definitionally, what could it mean

00:41:49.820 to be an inclusive individual?

00:41:51.520 Connor, I agree with you that I kept my powder dry

00:41:54.200 on this for the same reason,

00:41:56.120 and you may be getting to this after Belfast

00:41:58.600 when we saw the same speech roll out.

00:42:00.640 No, sorry.

00:42:01.480 Yeah, it is conspicuous, actually.

00:42:03.780 The family of Stephen Ogilvie,

00:42:06.920 who was almost beheaded in the street

00:42:08.680 by a Sudanese migrant. 0.89

00:42:09.860 Get his eyes gouged. 1.00

00:42:11.660 Yeah.

00:42:12.020 He's blind.

00:42:12.900 Yes.

00:42:13.720 And he's already disabled as well.

00:42:14.760 Yeah, he was already disabled.

00:42:15.420 So this guy's just had a really rough life.

00:42:18.220 It's very conspicuous that his family, via the police service of Northern Ireland,

00:42:22.840 said that they have been left feeling disgusted by the scenes that unfolded across Northern Ireland.

00:42:26.860 And again, we can't endorse wanton property damage or assaulting innocent people.

00:42:30.940 It's not very sensible.

00:42:32.680 We have many migrants who make a deeply valuable contribution to our country, 0.92

00:42:36.040 including from within our healthcare system and hospitality sector,

00:42:38.380 and we depend on them to make our country work.

00:42:39.940 We do not want this terrible tragedy to be used to divide people or fuel hostility.

00:42:44.140 Do not do this in the name of our loved one as we do not share the same value.

00:42:46.820 I mean, that could literally have been written by Keir Starmer.

00:42:48.900 And as an aside, I do not for a second blame the families in this situation after they've

00:42:52.800 gone through horrific, you know, horrific circumstances.

00:42:55.540 They're probably shell-shocked.

00:42:56.600 They are feeling emotionally worn down and battered.

00:42:59.920 And if someone from the government comes and says, well, let me help you out with this,

00:43:03.300 that's not on them.

00:43:04.080 This is on the actions of the government.

00:43:05.620 Not just that.

00:43:06.460 As we know from Rhiannon Skye White's mother Siobhan, they are told that if you don't put

00:43:11.220 out the statement, you could be jeopardising the trial because civil unrest could prejudice

00:43:15.360 the trial.

00:43:16.060 So they essentially blackmail these families into saying, your son or daughter's killer

00:43:20.940 will go free unless you say, don't look back in anger.

00:43:24.580 And we've always suspected, based on the contours of this rhetoric, that the hidden

00:43:29.280 hands of the state were behind this.

00:43:30.520 And I've reported on this multiple times for this channel and in press outlets.

00:43:34.180 But we got explicit confirmation that Raikou were involved in both of these cases.

00:43:38.240 If you don't know what Raikou is,

00:43:39.300 it is the Research, Information, and Communications Unit

00:43:41.600 operating out of the Home Office.

00:43:43.480 They take their behavioral insights from what is called the Nudge Unit.

00:43:47.620 It's called the Behavioral Insights Team.

00:43:49.020 Yes.

00:43:49.560 It's colloquially called the Nudge Unit because that's what it does.

00:43:51.460 This is the one set up by Blair.

00:43:53.040 Yes.

00:43:53.420 No, Cameron.

00:43:54.660 What's Cameron?

00:43:55.220 Yeah, it's internationally franchised.

00:43:56.360 I think this is the 44 countries it now operates.

00:43:58.040 It's a for-profit enterprise.

00:43:59.240 It was originally set up as a government unit,

00:44:01.760 but it was, I guess, so successful and useful

00:44:04.000 to multicultural liberal governments, that it was 2014, I think it was,

00:44:07.840 it became a private entity and franchises its services

00:44:11.440 out to governments around the world.

00:44:13.240 The concept basically is using behavioural science tactics

00:44:16.160 to nudge people to make better choices in their lives.

00:44:19.040 And so, you know, they're in the supermarket putting the healthy foods

00:44:22.140 at the front as opposed to the back, but then now it's gone

00:44:25.480 from being, you know, like I'm broadly against it,

00:44:28.180 but, you know, sometimes you can say, oh, there's a bit of logic

00:44:30.320 to that in this particular area of health policy, for example,

00:44:32.760 now it's just a tool to promote the multicultural system now it's a tool to tell you protect the

00:44:37.200 multicultural system don't be angry when one of our imported client groups detonates a nail bomb 0.80

00:44:41.540 at a pop concert stabs your son to death or rape your daughter and the daily mail piece here they 0.98

00:44:46.800 took a a break from just being relentlessly partisan to actually do some excellent journalism

00:44:51.000 um they've quoted a government inside source who says and this is from the top while the streets

00:44:57.420 of Belfast were ablaze with anti-immigration protests this week. A group of spies, spinners

00:45:03.300 and soldiers were deploying dark arts to try to defuse tensions. This was Raikou working out of 0.58

00:45:09.020 the home office. The unit claimed previously that the grooming gangs, and this was in the aftermath

00:45:16.740 of the Southport massacre last year, they produced a rapid analytical sprint document to analyse

00:45:22.680 threats of extremism, mainly from the far right in the country. They said the grooming gangs was

00:45:26.920 a far-right narrative invented to stoke up racial grievances.

00:45:32.000 Amazing they can do rapid sprints when it suits their particular agenda, and when it

00:45:36.280 doesn't, then we're having years-long investigations.

00:45:39.900 They don't publish their findings until after the election, which is conspicuous.

00:45:44.140 The Mail says it has a long history of covertly engineering, in the words of one expert, the

00:45:48.420 thoughts of people at times of crisis being quick to spring into action after terrorist

00:45:51.720 incidents, such as the London Bridge attack or the Westminster Bridge attack. And what they do

00:46:00.020 is that they go to the scene and they run prefabricated hashtags, they unfurl pre-printed

00:46:04.380 banners, they bus imams and community leaders out to the site, they hand out roses for photo ops,

00:46:08.500 and then that becomes front page news. It's full spectrum media management. It's

00:46:13.040 deliberately designed to make people think that there isn't actually any long-standing or

00:46:18.820 underlying issue that needs to be addressed and you know what um i would still be against this

00:46:24.760 but i wouldn't be as against this if it wasn't now used as the primary tool to shut down debate

00:46:29.440 by politicians that's what turns this from being bad to being truly sinister because they are taking

00:46:35.340 their own ghost writing and then they're using that ghost writing to say you know what you're

00:46:39.620 going against the beliefs of people who are really suffering pain and that to me is morally

00:46:43.880 abhorrent it's not just that as well they they then use that to use the grieving families as

00:46:48.540 human shields to deflect any criticism from their immigration policies that enable these crimes,

00:46:53.840 and then use the term racism to hermetically seal the issue so they can ensure the crimes

00:46:59.320 are committed again. So Raikou is kind of like the nerve center of anti-racism in the country.

00:47:03.880 They are the reason why so many people are still tricked into thinking the word racism has any

00:47:08.500 power beyond just trying to shut you up so your country can be taken away from you without putting

00:47:12.640 up a fight. Raikou is the reason why people are still afraid to call out the grooming gangs, 0.79

00:47:16.960 or to oppose Islamic terrorism or to say that Vikram Digwood killing Henry Novak was obviously 0.95

00:47:21.480 an act of anti-white racism. And in here, they detail, as the mobs took to the streets of

00:47:26.100 Northern Ireland after Hadi Oladid attempted to behead Stephen Ogilvie, Raikou swung into action

00:47:32.740 to advise the police in the province on how to control the narrative. So this is the thing that's

00:47:37.140 most pernicious about it, because what does controlling the narrative mean? It means

00:47:41.060 returning to the status quo and maintaining a system that permits this to happen. What they

00:47:46.060 are saying is this is not outside of the purview of the system this is a deliberate consequence of

00:47:51.480 it purpose of the system is what it does and the system gets your children killed it's absolutely

00:47:55.680 mad yes uh they then say in the article a source said they're working with the police service of

00:48:00.860 northern ireland c3 intelligence unit to identify those posting online calls to protest in belfast

00:48:05.340 and other areas as well as giving strategic messages to the police to ensure the protesters

00:48:09.400 were portrayed as unsympathetic thugs rather than activists and affecting behavioral change

00:48:14.180 This is the language of the Southport response.

00:48:16.600 Absolutely, but it shows the state considers the primary enemy of the state its own native population.

00:48:22.800 Yes, because you are the last stumbling block to their multicultural utopia.

00:48:26.160 This is what the under-16 social media ban is about. 1.00

00:48:29.000 The way it's being implemented is every person will have to put their ID into whatever social media they use,

00:48:35.120 so the government has a record of everything you do all the time.

00:48:39.200 This is why it is bad.

00:48:40.800 This is the system that they're building.

00:48:42.220 is a total system of behaviour and surveillance.

00:48:45.320 Digital panopticon, as Shabana Mahmood said.

00:48:47.300 Digital panopticon.

00:48:48.240 Exactly, she wanted one.

00:48:49.540 She literally called for one.

00:48:50.800 And she's the Home Secretary, 1.00

00:48:51.880 a Muslim Home Secretary,

00:48:52.760 at the top of the Home Office Islamic network

00:48:54.580 who run Raikou and Prevent.

00:48:57.220 And so it is a digital ID by another name,

00:48:59.740 and it is so they can completely contain

00:49:02.380 any of the excesses the system creates.

00:49:05.440 That's the purpose of all of this.

00:49:06.760 The source also said the unit

00:49:07.840 had been advising the police in Southampton

00:49:09.540 following the horrific murder of Henry Novak.

00:49:12.220 saying Raikou made sure the liaison team

00:49:14.780 dealing with the family were well-briefed.

00:49:16.540 So Raikou and the Home Office fed language

00:49:18.760 to the community liaison team

00:49:20.140 that parasitised the grief of Henry Novak's parents

00:49:22.380 to get Henry Novak's father to deliver a statement

00:49:24.860 that didn't inflame community tensions.

00:49:27.220 And then that particular language

00:49:28.420 is then taken by the politicians to say,

00:49:30.720 shut up and then end the debate.

00:49:32.220 Exactly. 0.98

00:49:32.580 It's a complete loop.

00:49:33.740 They're marking their own homework.

00:49:35.040 The source said,

00:49:35.580 you can see the fingerprints all over the statements

00:49:37.300 released by the families of victims

00:49:38.480 in these volatile situations,

00:49:39.740 they have a similar tone.

00:49:41.600 Even some insiders in Whitehall are saying that Raikou is out of control.

00:49:46.280 It's essentially dictating government policy and rhetoric at this point.

00:49:49.700 And it has a very long history of doing this.

00:49:52.720 It also highlights the Finsbury Park mosque attack, which is quite interesting.

00:49:56.420 So in June 2017, Darren Osborne drove a van into a crowd of pedestrians outside Finsbury Park mosque,

00:50:04.000 which is sort of a mosque that's notorious for radicalising people.

00:50:07.620 But nevertheless, it killed one person and injured 10.

00:50:10.420 Reports at the time said Osborne had been held down and beaten by people at the scene

00:50:14.460 until an imam appealed to them to stop.

00:50:17.140 It later emerged that the reports about the peacemaking imam

00:50:21.380 had originated from journalists who were approached at the police cordon

00:50:24.440 by a woman named Gabby, who said she worked for a company called Horizon PR.

00:50:28.580 She offered to introduce them to a third party,

00:50:30.780 who stressed to the journalists the role of the imam at the mosque

00:50:35.520 had played in protecting Osborne until he was handed over to police.

00:50:38.180 the story was the work of an agency called breakthrough media which had been paid by

00:50:41.940 right the entire story is a fabrication by the home office to get you to not look back in anger

00:50:49.360 and also doesn't it just go to show that actually putting an end to all of this stuff will be so

00:50:54.860 difficult because so many people are making money out of it as well yeah like a lot of people

00:50:58.640 breakthrough medias of this world are making a lot of money through this woke industrial complex

00:51:04.340 that it's going to be very hard to roll back.

00:51:05.760 It's a state-funded gaslighting operation. 0.71

00:51:08.140 But for the entire purpose of you paying to protect the immigrants 1.00

00:51:15.380 as they murder you, it's so demented. 1.00

00:51:19.480 It's the most horrific situation that I could...

00:51:22.380 It sounds almost ridiculously Orwellian.

00:51:26.140 Yes.

00:51:26.840 The Daily Mail did lift some of this reporting from other people, I must say.

00:51:30.880 I mean, Morgoth spoke about this seven years ago,

00:51:32.500 but Laura Doddsworth, Steve Edgington, Dr. Paul Stott, they've all done excellent work.

00:51:36.020 I've reported on this on my old show on this website, actually, explaining the history of

00:51:42.520 Raikou and detailing a series of their evil activities. But some of the things that the 0.77

00:51:47.680 Daily Mail didn't really go into detail on or mention, I actually detailed in a very long piece

00:51:52.200 that I put on Substack consolidating my previous reporting on this called the Don't Look Back in

00:51:56.040 Anger Department. And that's just, that's what I think they are. One of the things that they

00:51:59.440 mentioned was an image that Breakthrough Media prefabricated of a woman in a Union Jack hijab.

00:52:07.240 And you might recognise it if you're a Sun reader. I mean, God knows why you would be.

00:52:10.740 Because in 2014, after the beheading of British aid worker Alan Henning on camera by ISIS,

00:52:17.380 the Sun ran it as a prefabricated front page to show the true face of British Islam being united

00:52:25.120 against ISIS. Now, anyone who had been floating around Westminster at the time would have

00:52:29.600 recognised it because it was actually an image that was generated for the hashtag Making a Stand

00:52:33.540 campaign by the charity Inspire. And Inspire was run by Dame Sarah Khan. The charity launch was

00:52:41.080 attended by then Home Secretary Theresa May, who as Prime Minister appointed her as the government's

00:52:46.800 anti-extremism coordinator. She sort of cycled through various anti-Muslim hatred working groups

00:52:51.760 And she actually authored Michael Gove's definition of extremism, where he got up at the despatch box and said, diversity is our strength.

00:52:57.600 We've got to be worried about the far right.

00:52:59.500 Sarah Khan's sister, Sabina, or Sabine, she keeps changing her name, was actually the deputy head of RICU at the time.

00:53:05.620 Oh, really? 0.85

00:53:05.960 This is a Pakistani family clan benefiting from us, lobbying in their own interests. 1.00

00:53:11.300 Her brother actually developed the Inspire website as well. 0.93

00:53:13.960 Just as a quick aside on that, if this was an Islamic state that we live under, what would they do differently? 0.62

00:53:21.760 what would they do differently if this if britain was now a muslim country 0.57

00:53:26.260 how would this be done any differently this is exactly what you would expect if this was a 0.99

00:53:32.220 muslim country and i think it's just the moral weakness of the governments and conservatives 1.00

00:53:37.960 in particular because you as soon as a muslim commits a terror attack they come out and say 0.87

00:53:42.700 yes we're muslims too essentially and muslims are a core part of the fabric i mean kia stama 0.52

00:53:48.100 called them the face of modern britain and it's i just can't imagine what the difference would be

00:53:52.620 well you can also thank the conservatives for the growth of raikou because even though it was

00:53:56.920 established in 2007 it was um reformatted under david cameron and he appointed as the head of

00:54:02.040 raikou a man called richard chalk richard chalk used to work for bell pottinger a sort of dodgy

00:54:05.820 pr firm that has all connections to alastair campbell and that um in 2003 in baghdad running

00:54:10.480 still classified operations psychological warfare operations he came back and immediately became

00:54:14.640 the deputy under Baroness Saeed Avorsi when she was head of the Conservative Party, and then became

00:54:20.720 the senior supervisor of RICU, basically weaponising psychological warfare against us to be in favour

00:54:25.220 of immigration and Islam in the aftermath of terror attacks. But the number one instance that the

00:54:29.140 Mail didn't mention was the Manchester Arena bombing. That's the most infamous one. We all

00:54:33.160 remember the spontaneous rendition of Don't Look Back in Anger at the Manchester Arena Vigil,

00:54:37.980 where conspicuously, you know, Andy Burnham, nudie-minted mayor of Greater Manchester, went

00:54:41.640 down and laid his wreath. People were standing around, grieving. And then suddenly, per this

00:54:48.100 video, captured by a Guardian reporter at the scene, everyone starts singing Don't Look Back

00:54:53.440 at Mando.

00:55:02.120 So who's that?

00:55:04.580 Well, the Guardian actually conducted an interview with her afterwards. And this is Lydia Burnsmere

00:55:10.660 Rouleau, that's quite an obviously recognisable name.

00:55:14.360 She stands out in Manchester. 0.85

00:55:16.860 She is an actress.

00:55:18.460 She's been an actress before.

00:55:19.460 Oh, really? 0.73

00:55:19.780 Yeah, she's appeared in things before and since. 1.00

00:55:22.640 She went on How to Conduct Good Naked, weirdly enough. 1.00

00:55:25.140 All these far-left activists have double-barrel names. 1.00

00:55:27.380 Yeah, great question.

00:55:28.540 It's like every Just Up Oil protester,

00:55:30.320 they've all got these double-barrel names. 0.97

00:55:32.400 Yeah, so the woman that started this spontaneous rendition 1.00

00:55:36.060 of Don't Look Back in Anger,

00:55:37.120 which became the main message, according to The Guardian,

00:55:40.060 I mean, The Guardian literally said,

00:55:42.520 it becomes the symbol of Manchester's spirit,

00:55:45.180 that the number one thing you have to take

00:55:47.220 from this heinous attack is don't look back at anger.

00:55:49.060 And that's what she said in her interview with The Guardian.

00:55:50.860 We can't look back.

00:55:51.540 We only have to look forward.

00:55:53.420 You know, looking back is how you prevent these things.

00:55:55.840 But no, only go forward.

00:55:58.040 It turns out that she is now,

00:56:00.040 got herself a promotion.

00:56:01.940 She works for the BBC.

00:56:04.240 She is the BBC Pride co-chair.

00:56:07.920 She is.

00:56:08.800 Has been for nearly seven years.

00:56:10.060 of course so you would reward some of your strongest soldiers yeah but it's just odd

00:56:14.240 an activist a professional actress uh happened to be there yeah just happened to be the person

00:56:19.600 kick-starting don't look back in anger who was then tracked down by all the news stations and

00:56:24.000 then everyone decided to sing this and it just happens to map onto this tactic that raikou

00:56:28.780 called control spontaneity yeah they literally did they use that term yes controlled spontaneity

00:56:34.220 is how they describe spontaneity it's how they describe the events of imams materializing at

00:56:38.940 the site of terror attacks holding hashtags and banners and giving out roses so it just so happens

00:56:43.220 this spontaneous rendition of don't look back in anger which has since been disavowed by liam

00:56:46.760 gallagher saying the government literally hijacked our song yeah and you should look back in it yeah

00:56:50.720 yeah because oasis are actually the based brit pop band it's blur that the cringe well one of

00:56:55.540 them are because liam decided to actually perform at the one love manchester concert

00:56:58.860 no sorry noel did uh liam decided no no no went to the concert and sang it yeah this is really

00:57:07.460 good work but my takeaway from all of this is that the amount of effort that the state has to

00:57:13.760 put in to try and hold this fragile multicultural project together is the best evidence that it 1.00

00:57:19.720 doesn't work oh yeah absolutely there's even there's even yeah i agree there's even greater

00:57:23.900 evidence that this was the state by the way um because the woman that planned it wrote an article

00:57:27.240 in the guardian admitting to it oh again i'm shocked that nobody's picked up on this she is

00:57:31.380 a disaster planner called lucy east hope and from the very top she says uh the i heart messages that

00:57:36.600 appear in cities in the wake of terror attacks are not always spontaneous. Why would they be

00:57:40.460 spontaneous? The statements from local politicians imbued with messages of resilience and defiance,

00:57:46.220 emphasising it will be business as usual, are carefully planned in advance. The vigils to show

00:57:51.140 solidarity are expected now, including a pre-negotiated multi-faith element and the UK's

00:57:57.460 ability to put its services back together in a show of strength are admired around the world.

00:58:00.960 And the reason she wrote this, as she says towards the bottom, is because she felt guilty watching

00:58:04.880 Andy Burnham lay flowers and say, rise above it. She says, yesterday, I tried hard to follow Andy

00:58:10.760 Burnham's advice to rise above it all, to not look back in anger. And I went to a series of

00:58:15.000 pre-planned meetings with anxious colleagues, checked my email and ate my sandwich and realized

00:58:18.660 that perhaps he and I have got it all wrong on this one. The horror is too raw and too visceral

00:58:23.080 and there's too many children's targets for business as usual to have ever been the right

00:58:26.460 message. Instead, we need to be given a bit more time to rage and roar like wounded animals. We

00:58:31.060 need a day of national mourning. We need a brief moment away from social media to decide how we

00:58:34.860 really feel and if that's a day spent screaming at the sky and then cuddling our toddlers so be it

00:58:39.000 i was wrong to insist in my training the first message should be we will overcome as if the

00:58:44.720 enemy was on the beaches and weakness would be letting someone win now even in this the response

00:58:50.360 that is allowed is you impotently screaming at the sky clutching your yeah i'm screaming at

00:58:54.780 someone else wondering if they're going to be next even then even then they realize that allowing

00:59:01.780 you to be actually angry about this and to do something about it would be a step too far because

00:59:05.640 their entire project would come yeah they wouldn't be able to do any of this because it implies a

00:59:08.520 villain yes the story has an enemy yes and the the start of what we can do is repealing things like

00:59:14.480 the equality act 2010 and the the race relations acts that impose a public sector equality duty

00:59:19.180 on the state to manage these community cohesions to to de-escalate racial tensions but as you said

00:59:24.800 before this is just the the legislative window dressing for the ideology these people already

00:59:29.240 believe and so until this entire department is dismantled until all these people are sacked

00:59:33.300 stripped of their pensions plenty of people go to prison we are going to keep being told don't

00:59:38.140 look back in anger when one of theirs kills one of us yeah right well sorry go on no i was just

00:59:46.000 saying saying well said that that is darkly fascinating like it is and again for people

00:59:52.340 who are casual viewers of politics who don't think about this sort of stuff um you are you are

00:59:58.220 Because of the emotion around it, you just would buy into this sort of stuff.

01:00:01.360 You wouldn't think twice that maybe there is a government organization

01:00:04.020 that is trying to get you to think in a particular way.

01:00:07.420 Yeah, kind of great stuff.

01:00:08.220 Really, really great stuff.

01:00:08.620 And what's worse as well is it's got the government position

01:00:12.080 as an inherent charisma, as Jonathan Miller put it, of the office.

01:00:15.700 It's got a power.

01:00:16.660 It's a leadership role.

01:00:18.620 And so what's their job?

01:00:19.860 Well, it's to make sure that you carry on as normal, business as usual,

01:00:24.680 so this becomes just a normal part of everyday life.

01:00:27.820 Yeah.

01:00:28.220 It's just awful.

01:00:29.340 I don't want this to be a normal part of everyday life.

01:00:31.640 And yet it just seems to happen over and over and over.

01:00:34.440 Like there was no breathing space between the Henry Novak

01:00:36.720 and the, I can't remember the name in Northern Ireland.

01:00:39.840 The Belfast.

01:00:40.940 Yeah, there was just no period of time between those two things.

01:00:45.120 And so these, and next week there's probably going to be another one.

01:00:48.640 And I mean, there was a 17-year-old girl. 0.99

01:00:50.200 Yeah, stabbing the neck by Pakistani. 1.00

01:00:51.380 Yeah, it's just mad. 1.00

01:00:52.620 Can I ask a question on that one?

01:00:54.280 because that one I have is being curiously under-reported

01:00:58.340 and under-followed even on social media,

01:01:00.240 and I'm not quite sure why.

01:01:01.560 The footage is just as bad.

01:01:03.160 I imagine it's because he's in custody

01:01:04.720 and the family have been told not to say anything

01:01:06.860 so they don't jeopardise the court proceedings.

01:01:08.460 But even on social media, though,

01:01:09.800 it hasn't got the same level of outrage

01:01:11.240 and the footage is just as horrific.

01:01:12.880 But I suspect it's the fact she didn't die,

01:01:14.900 so she's not dead.

01:01:16.560 And also, I think there's not fatigue,

01:01:19.240 but being overwhelmed by the speed,

01:01:21.640 the cavalcade of these things happening.

01:01:23.320 There's only so much horror you can endure in a short period of time, yeah.

01:01:27.080 Yeah, there's only so much you can juggle in your own mind.

01:01:30.640 Anyway, so, right, okay.

01:01:32.600 There's been a pretty depressing podcast so far.

01:01:34.760 You need a palate cleanser.

01:01:35.580 Thank you, Connor.

01:01:36.460 Appreciate it.

01:01:37.320 Sorry.

01:01:38.060 It's not normally this bad, Will.

01:01:40.140 I am sorry that this has been such an intense one.

01:01:43.220 It's not normally this bad, but I think you've held up very well.

01:01:45.420 Thank you.

01:01:45.900 Oh, look, you know, they're important conversations that we need to have, right?

01:01:49.280 so but uh i thought what we'd cover is the reality that the online right is winning right and that

01:01:55.920 can be measured in frankly our success but also everyone else's success um this has been inspired

01:02:00.600 by an article by the guardian on us so i guess i'll focus on us i don't mean to be too self-indulgent

01:02:05.860 it's not just about us but it's it's everyone on the online right because despite the split between

01:02:11.940 reform and restore we are still all pushing in the same direction against the same enemies and

01:02:17.600 against the same system that is destroying us and this has been a long time coming and this

01:02:23.220 so i begin with this article in unheard in 2018 and this was by a champ called gavin oh i know

01:02:29.720 yeah now gavin has been doing some very good reporting on all of this um that has gone kind

01:02:36.000 of under the radar because it's not that it's esoteric it's that he was very far ahead of the

01:02:43.520 curve for people in the mainstream and so what gavin was predicting in 2018 is bearing fruit in

01:02:50.460 2026 i told you all it'd be a long march but we've been doing it and now we're here right he said he's

01:02:56.340 speaking specifically about me but um he's talking about paul joseph watson and the fact that there

01:03:00.680 was this new frontier that was opening up in politics uh he says into this void have come

01:03:06.200 men like saga nocada swindon dwelling 38 year old father of two at the time it was father two now

01:03:10.920 father of four uh who broadcast from my converted garage uh a total outsider which i was with no

01:03:16.180 previous interest in politics um i began my career because i couldn't stay silent any longer and now

01:03:20.580 i was running a big youtube channel and then it goes it goes on from there so we'll ignore the

01:03:25.760 horrible picture then um is that rather rotund gentleman i know right i i need to get some

01:03:31.140 non-fat pictures done uh anyway so this fast forward to february 2025 and his essentially

01:03:40.020 warning about look the online right is a thing and it is coming is all around him and he can't

01:03:48.060 escape it now quick spike to pick up your pitchforks oh yeah uh as he pointed out back in uh 2018 we're

01:03:55.440 a digital gang of thomas paynes um but now we have arrived at the point where there's just no denying

01:04:03.740 that our lingo our rhetoric our influence is just everywhere around him um and he points out that

01:04:10.180 you know i went through this long process of going back to first principles reading the original text

01:04:14.380 getting educated on these things no substitution for actually doing the work yourself there's no

01:04:18.640 substitute for actually doing the work exactly he says uh back in 2017 sort of at the time coming

01:04:24.720 out of obama being in the white house and george osborneism being ascendant the right was in

01:04:28.820 disgustingly flabby shape the mainstream press certainly uh the sebastian payne tendency was

01:04:34.040 all you got the right as the left driving the speed limit but on youtube the fight back had

01:04:38.080 begun in earnest we can't wait for anyone to do this for us i said in 2017 uh and so i put i

01:04:44.040 started lotus eaters and this became a hugely influential thing because the people who had

01:04:51.160 grown up there's always been like about a quarter of my audience that is um sort of you know older

01:04:56.620 politically engaged teenagers and then about three quarters who are adults and going into

01:05:01.500 old age um and those people that generational cohort over that decade's worth of time well

01:05:08.300 now they're out of university now they're in the mid-20s now they're me they're you yeah and you're

01:05:13.360 but you're just one of many uh and so he says um they grew up in the world of the youtube essay

01:05:19.100 before i started lotus teasers for them it wasn't just fashion it was formative when you hear the

01:05:23.700 headbanging tone of a Zuma crew coming through now, what you are witnessing are people who have

01:05:27.940 imbibed Benjamin's whole moral style. They come preloaded with facts and arguments from the video

01:05:32.900 essay era. Does migration drive growth? No. Does multiculturalism need more time to succeed? No.

01:05:38.520 For them, these are settled questions. Much like Mao's long march, the fight at first seemed

01:05:43.800 unwinnable until gradually the insurgents gained strength, their ideas coalescing into a creed and

01:05:48.960 ideology with world-shaping power and that is exactly what we've been doing all of these years

01:05:54.760 and that is exactly what they are witnessing is bearing fruit there was a spectator piece

01:05:59.860 said something similar around the same time which is that um no longer are Milton Friedman or Roger

01:06:05.700 Scruton the um intellectual input into the sort of Zuma right it's you and Kunle Drogba yes and

01:06:14.020 How do you feel about that?

01:06:15.520 Very proud, because I said at the time, the left is engaged in what Gramsci called a war of position, right?

01:06:22.000 We can't fight a hot war, as in we can't just storm the beaches of, you know, the BBC or whatever.

01:06:26.140 But what we can do is, slowly but surely, over a long period of time, critique their arguments, change the culture, and make it so their positions seem anachronistic and, frankly, immoral.

01:06:37.020 And now we are at that point where, actually, this is the case.

01:06:41.120 The general culture is against.

01:06:42.520 I mean, look at the way that Rupert Lowe is able to drive everything to the right.

01:06:46.500 Rupert Lowe is leading the charge to the right.

01:06:47.980 Nigel Farage is desperately trying to catch up.

01:06:49.780 And then Labour are desperately trying to catch up with Nigel Farage.

01:06:52.340 We are actually culturally in the driving seat of the political conversation of this country.

01:06:56.920 And they can't deny it.

01:06:58.920 I mean, Hope Not Hate had an amazing case file on us, just to be clear.

01:07:02.720 This is from February.

01:07:04.660 These are the guys that do the far right report every year. 0.59

01:07:07.820 And hire pedophiles.

01:07:09.160 The right wing Oscars. 0.98

01:07:10.640 Correct. 0.95

01:07:10.940 Yeah, they called us the Swindon Grievance Factory, which I think is brilliant.

01:07:15.740 I told you, we need an endorsement tab.

01:07:17.240 I know, we do, which I love that, right?

01:07:19.820 But they say in here, Benjamin's wider political aim was to found a right-wing institution that could foment a new conservatism that can actually push rightwards for once, midwifing the careers of new influencers and becoming a nexus or network for coordinating among the wider far right.

01:07:31.620 Well, I suggest we might have been successful at that if this is the consequence that we're in.

01:07:37.200 The other thing with the state of the country at the moment,

01:07:39.000 if you don't have grievances, you know, what show are you watching?

01:07:44.560 You know, like I would suggest that grievance is a pretty legitimate response

01:07:48.520 to the various problems that we've talked about over the last hour

01:07:51.880 and that we'd see in the country more generally.

01:07:53.200 What kind of person are you if you look at the state of the country

01:07:55.100 and think this is acceptable?

01:07:56.100 Yeah.

01:07:56.560 It's mad, isn't it?

01:07:57.260 It's weirder that I think that it has a negative connotation attached to it. 0.99

01:07:59.880 You have to be like Seth Rogen levels of bike cock in order. 0.99

01:08:02.520 It's wild, yeah. 0.98

01:08:04.020 country and and so they they list um a series of people we've had on uh including the infamous

01:08:09.580 will kingston um but you know so yeah we've had even former prime minister liz trust was on your

01:08:14.660 show yeah they they lost their collective rag about that they absolutely did didn't they yeah

01:08:18.960 thanks for the subscription fee gents but what these people are what um gavin and hope not hate

01:08:25.240 are are just slightly ahead of the curve right and because they are you know i guess very online

01:08:30.500 types who who are worried about the direction of travel and can see how it's going because at the

01:08:34.960 end of the day nothing that hope not hate have said here is a inaccurate will be offensive to

01:08:39.600 you know no this from hope not hate's perspective i expect you to think these things and yes for you

01:08:45.660 we are exactly that kind of right-wing countercultural force that is coming to destroy

01:08:50.660 the consensus well connor connor and i were saying talking about this off air that for so long

01:08:55.280 because this consensus view has not been challenged

01:08:58.220 and it has been underpinned or enabled by just this moral coercion

01:09:02.280 and bullying, they actually haven't really had any chance

01:09:05.160 to build up the muscle to make their own arguments.

01:09:07.680 So you saw this during that clip of Ian Dale during the week

01:09:11.860 where you have this caller.

01:09:13.660 Yeah, it was unbelievable.

01:09:15.000 We have this caller come and very calmly, very rationally

01:09:17.120 make the argument for deportations. 1.00

01:09:19.020 And all Ian Dale has is that stupid facial expression 1.00

01:09:21.960 and words to the effect of, well, that's a bit mean and nasty, 1.00

01:09:24.920 isn't it and it's like because you want a country that will deport millions it's like yes but because

01:09:29.600 he hasn't had to make the argument he doesn't have any arguments to fall back on so all he has is the

01:09:34.600 facial expression and that that's a bit mean and nasty um it and that no longer cuts it no longer

01:09:40.000 cuts it and i mean i i don't know whether you i didn't get it for this but the uh the clip of

01:09:44.040 owen jones saying to the woman in makerfield oh do you know that rupert lowe wants mass deportation

01:09:49.060 she's like well good and the fact yeah they don't have the follow-up to that because they've never

01:09:54.860 had to think about it because a sarcastic

01:09:56.860 tone is all they've needed for the last

01:09:58.800 10 years. It's the intellectual

01:10:00.940 atrophy that sets in when you

01:10:02.800 resort to John Oliver and have I got news

01:10:04.900 for you tactics, which is you just read out

01:10:06.940 what your enemy says and because you don't have a rejoinder

01:10:09.020 you just go, well I'm

01:10:10.780 assuming you're going to get to John Oliver.

01:10:12.480 Not in this one actually. That's the best example

01:10:15.060 of this. It is, but I was

01:10:16.860 going to use The Guardian, which again

01:10:18.420 has this kind of dismissive

01:10:20.960 tone, but if you actually just read what they're saying

01:10:22.960 it's like wow we must be doing a really good job right now this this article dropped yesterday i

01:10:28.220 was not expecting this whatsoever i don't know where this has come from they must have sat on

01:10:32.580 this because our live show was in april took a while to write it yeah but they i i guess they

01:10:37.640 were waiting for restore to become like politically salient or something to attack us what do they

01:10:42.680 yeah well do they think that this is uh a a by-election was this part of form part of their

01:10:47.160 by-election strategy i have no idea but i mean look at the way they're characterizing us i spent

01:10:52.280 an evening with fans and low-seaters the hip podcast shaping britain's new far-right culture

01:10:56.220 it was a fun evening it was it was so fun i inadvertently missed the last train and had to

01:11:00.420 crash on harry's sofa in the in the premiere but with his wife sorry for that mate but the but the

01:11:06.040 point is this was the goal that we began this was a mission we began in 2020 but in fact conceived

01:11:11.160 of in 2018 and now the guardian's like wow these guys are shaping the culture it's like yeah that

01:11:17.240 was the point that was what we've been trying to do this whole time and we'll read through some of

01:11:21.000 this article because it's just incredible i mean look at the sold out showed in his hometown swindon

01:11:25.320 all the bombast and conviction driving this restore linked outlet was there to see i mean

01:11:29.340 these are a bit contradictory terms but okay whatever we'll leave that to the side um and he

01:11:34.100 compares us to rory stewart and alistair campbell i mean he says uh i spent an evening with fans

01:11:40.840 i don't know if i asked you think uh to name a popular politics podcast what would you think of

01:11:46.000 maybe the rest is politics for centrist dads navarro media's downstream for young lefties

01:11:50.240 or perhaps trigonometry.

01:11:51.180 Trigonometry for conservative?

01:11:52.160 Well, this is what I was about to say.

01:11:53.460 You know, you have to think about how far left you have to be

01:11:55.900 to call the rest is politics in the centre

01:11:58.160 and then trigonometry conservative.

01:12:00.940 But that's what we're here to disrupt.

01:12:04.000 While these podcasts have achieved mainstream success

01:12:05.960 and recognition, the contemporary media landscape

01:12:08.300 also allows fringe political shows to gain huge audiences

01:12:11.100 and influence without the mainstream ever acknowledging them.

01:12:13.300 Well, they're not fringe if they've got...

01:12:14.100 Well, that's the question.

01:12:15.000 How fringe are they if we're gaining influence

01:12:17.980 despite the fact that you're not paying attention?

01:12:19.900 We don't have global astroturfing us on every billboard in the London Underground.

01:12:23.940 Yeah, we're not sponsored by, what's the bank that sponsors the rest of the politics?

01:12:28.580 HSBC.

01:12:29.140 Yeah, something like that.

01:12:29.800 We don't have banks sponsoring us or anything like that.

01:12:32.000 Everything we do is completely organic and grassroots.

01:12:35.460 But anyway, they say,

01:12:36.240 one such product is the podcast The Lotus Eaters,

01:12:38.060 a collective YouTube channel and website led by YouTuber Carl Benjamin

01:12:40.480 that's advocating for, among other things, remigration,

01:12:43.440 which is, in the words of co-presenter Luca Johnson,

01:12:45.440 not just about the removal of legals,

01:12:46.720 but also about the legals and those foreign communities 1.00

01:12:48.780 that have been forced upon us.

01:12:50.100 Patriot.

01:12:50.600 Yeah, absolutely correct. I agree.

01:12:52.940 He carries on and gives us some numbers,

01:12:56.120 which the numbers are great, obviously.

01:12:57.860 And he says,

01:12:58.680 I recently attended the Lotuses' live show in Swindon,

01:13:01.000 where the podcast is based.

01:13:01.940 Although they don't have the O2 packing ability

01:13:03.940 of the rest of politics,

01:13:05.300 they managed to fill a 700 capacity venue

01:13:07.080 with tickets starting at £50.

01:13:08.640 I mean, that's pretty good.

01:13:09.960 And don't get me wrong.

01:13:10.640 Were they?

01:13:11.140 The event was massive.

01:13:13.500 I thought you said this was going to be uplifting.

01:13:14.720 because you've just 0.95

01:13:16.720 the biggest black people 0.99

01:13:18.020 I've ever heard 1.00

01:13:18.340 is that the rest

01:13:19.280 of politics

01:13:19.960 managed to sell out

01:13:20.800 did you not see that

01:13:21.440 did you not know that

01:13:22.040 I was blissfully unaware

01:13:23.300 that so many people

01:13:24.460 in this country

01:13:25.220 were that way

01:13:26.280 oh it's amazing

01:13:27.700 I like

01:13:28.120 I watched that

01:13:29.760 and I was just like

01:13:30.240 who the hell

01:13:31.800 pays

01:13:33.440 and the tickets

01:13:34.380 must have been expensive too

01:13:35.400 can we stop this

01:13:36.860 and I know sometimes

01:13:37.500 we say it unintentionally

01:13:38.380 stop this nonsense

01:13:39.300 that this is how

01:13:39.940 this centrist dad thing

01:13:41.340 or that these people

01:13:41.940 are centrist

01:13:42.360 they're not

01:13:43.500 By any objective measure, they are on the left.

01:13:46.400 They may be able to package themselves as if, you know,

01:13:48.700 well, really, we sit above the fray.

01:13:50.380 Roy Stewart said he'd vote for the Green Party or the Lib Dems. 0.93

01:13:53.660 To call him a centrist is a bit ridiculous, isn't it? 0.85

01:13:57.620 But no, I agree with you. 0.91

01:13:59.360 But he says the demographic was only overwhelmingly male

01:14:02.320 and mostly under 40.

01:14:03.920 Don't know about that.

01:14:05.100 But it was split largely between suit-wearing,

01:14:07.080 moustachioed elder millennials and metalhead and gamer types.

01:14:09.800 That's pretty accurate.

01:14:11.160 Yeah, but that's great.

01:14:12.080 with the occasional father-son duo in the mix.

01:14:14.440 You know what I noticed?

01:14:16.040 That's great.

01:14:16.780 Attempting to be incognitive in the crowd

01:14:18.500 was that it had the,

01:14:20.980 I mean this complimentarily,

01:14:23.240 it had the same sort of cross-section of the audience

01:14:26.240 as Jordan Peterson used to get

01:14:28.060 when he was selling out his tours

01:14:29.700 based on self-improvement and encouraging message. 0.99

01:14:32.080 It would be young men in suits

01:14:34.380 bringing their wives, girlfriends, fiancés with them

01:14:36.860 or dads with kids

01:14:38.000 or lads who had been sucked into politics

01:14:41.120 because their escapism had been polluted by wokeness

01:14:44.500 and had made a character judgment

01:14:46.460 about the person they were receiving wisdom from

01:14:48.520 and therefore were loyal to it.

01:14:49.980 And this is why these hit pieces

01:14:51.120 actually come across as endorsements

01:14:52.200 rather than attacks.

01:14:53.560 Because I don't think,

01:14:54.800 unless we were fundamentally to betray

01:14:56.260 everything we believed in, which we don't,

01:14:58.940 you're never going to pry our audience away from us

01:15:00.340 because they're good people

01:15:01.240 and they think we're good people.

01:15:02.620 And so this just falls flat.

01:15:04.280 Yeah, there's nothing they can say

01:15:05.700 to drive a wedge between us

01:15:06.860 and the people who watch us

01:15:07.740 because these guys are the enemy, frankly.

01:15:10.220 and everyone knows it.

01:15:12.360 But basically what does he characterise there?

01:15:14.260 Well, normal people.

01:15:15.400 He's just characterised normal people who are concerned

01:15:17.200 about the state of the country.

01:15:18.500 I read through this.

01:15:19.800 There is nothing that is, you know, if so facto bad.

01:15:23.920 There's nothing which is, it is just a reliance on using the term far right,

01:15:28.160 which he knows has connotations with fascism and racism

01:15:30.940 and that is the extent of his analysis and hoping that the audience

01:15:35.520 then makes the leaps in their own mind so he doesn't have to say

01:15:39.380 you guys are racist but then they'll think oh so these are all races literally john oliver but to

01:15:43.640 be honest with you i'm really tempted to put quote the hit podcast shaping britain's new far-right 0.89

01:15:47.800 culture slays the guardian i'm tempted to put that on a billboard right unironically outside

01:15:52.460 the guardian offices uh i mean i'm pretty good i think well i i take that as an endorsement um

01:16:01.080 anyway he talks about the um he talks about for us uh giving his uh parable about lebanon uh how

01:16:08.060 his home country was diversified uh and turned into a bit of an issue for lebanon who doesn't

01:16:14.740 want to live in lebanon yeah um but he carries on and says well he complains about the star wars

01:16:19.200 debate which was actually the prime draw of the entire live event uh that is actually on the

01:16:24.880 website so if you'd like to support us go up go over sign up five pound a month uh go watch it

01:16:29.840 um you can see prequels haters getting crushed destroyed owned yeah i mean i i i did i i did

01:16:37.500 find there's something synthetic for the other side of the argument but anyway uh but then they

01:16:43.500 get to the the genuinely funny bit here one segment was a virgin of the classic past game who am i

01:16:47.940 in which the audience would ridicule political enemies displayed on screen behind the podcasters

01:16:51.280 while the host tried to guess what the subject scorn were the audience was raucous oh they had

01:16:54.780 a good time i'm glad to hear that it was i imagine a cathartic experience for these political outcasts

01:16:59.460 to hear rory stewart described as alistair campbell's fluffer in a theater of like-minded

01:17:03.400 crusaders i saw i saw it's not wrong when you posted that screenshot on x i saw one of our

01:17:09.400 viewers respond on the going i can't believe my description of rory stewart was written up in the

01:17:13.940 i saw that too i saw that too and it's just like okay well i'm glad to see it um but uh yeah so

01:17:19.940 you know we're crusaders on the verge of an uprising against the tyrannical government

01:17:24.080 it's like well i mean i do think our government's pretty damn tyrannical 0.99

01:17:27.160 and then they've got a quote from me it's a moral imperative for the chuds to take over 0.88

01:17:31.980 yeah i i stand by that you know get a girlfriend and take over get married start a family get a

01:17:39.200 job doing something productive and be the change you want to see that's 100 my argument here um

01:17:46.060 and i don't know why i don't know why you would want anything else frankly um they observe of

01:17:52.180 course that we don't support nigel farage because we see him as soft and that's true we are

01:17:57.580 campaigning for Rupert Lowe, because we think that, frankly, he's the only political game in

01:18:02.680 town. But he carries on. Some of the people I spoke to in Swindon were convinced Lowe would

01:18:07.700 be Prime Minister in 2029. While this is near impossible, near impossible, so there is a chance,

01:18:13.940 the beyond-reform right could play a significant role in further radicalising British politics,

01:18:19.300 as we saw from the woman talking to Owen Jones. Restore can act as a flypaper for the kinds of

01:18:24.080 off-putting people who revel in the violent spectacle of deportations.

01:18:27.000 It doesn't have to be violent.

01:18:28.740 It doesn't have to be a spectacle.

01:18:30.180 It could just be, they go home because it's time for them to go home.

01:18:33.320 Such as the man sat behind me wearing merch

01:18:35.040 with the words detain and deport and blazing on the chest.

01:18:37.700 Where do I get one of those? 1.00

01:18:38.720 Well, you have to ask Russian Garbage Humans. 1.00

01:18:40.700 Ah! 0.99

01:18:43.240 That's a long-time subscriber of ours,

01:18:45.060 and he's on the ground helping in Makefield at the moment.

01:18:49.180 But he points out, well, this movement can also exert pressure on reform

01:18:52.420 and open up space for it to tack to the right,

01:18:54.720 which it is doing at the moment, very clearly,

01:18:58.060 by generating so much noise about an issue

01:18:59.580 that Farage is able to pick it up

01:19:01.080 when he feels like it's become part of the conversation.

01:19:02.800 We know we've been doing this for years, by the way.

01:19:04.960 That's the only way that you encourage politicians

01:19:07.300 who don't have the courage of their own convictions

01:19:08.880 to try and follow the line that you would like them to get,

01:19:12.540 is that they see there is political capital

01:19:14.000 in adopting your positions when you've made it safe for them.

01:19:16.900 We know we're doing this.

01:19:17.740 The interesting thing is that that is probably

01:19:19.240 the one insightful paragraph

01:19:22.200 or sentence in the entire article that is right yeah but but that was expressly the purpose

01:19:29.280 that began in 2018 that been documented by the mainstream media for us and now even the guardian

01:19:35.060 is like oh they are doing this so it and i i say they we collectively this isn't just us this is

01:19:41.540 all of us this is you guys on twitter or facebook or wherever else you're posting this is you know

01:19:47.240 I've always said that this is a big collective job.

01:19:50.880 The other thing is, well, the irony is I imagine,

01:19:53.780 either consciously or subconsciously,

01:19:55.140 that The Guardian would see their role as pulling Labour to the left.

01:19:58.540 Sure.

01:19:59.000 They did the same thing.

01:19:59.960 You would think so.

01:20:00.600 They did the same thing.

01:20:01.260 That's definitely what Novara Media see themselves doing.

01:20:03.500 And that's fine.

01:20:04.400 It's just we're that version for the right.

01:20:06.480 But it's nice to have validation from them, right?

01:20:09.260 It's nice for them to be like, yeah, okay, you guys are successful.

01:20:12.060 You are doing this.

01:20:12.980 You are the hit podcast in Britain that's curating

01:20:16.700 and forming the far-right culture.

01:20:19.180 Yeah, so just pat yourselves on the back, everyone.

01:20:21.800 We are winning.

01:20:22.880 We are being successful in the things that we're doing.

01:20:25.540 And everyone knew that this was going to be a long job,

01:20:28.020 but we're finally at the point where all of our arch enemies

01:20:30.340 who would like to see us, frankly, you know, pushed off a cliff,

01:20:33.200 have got to be like, well, yeah, they are getting the job done.

01:20:35.420 So well done.

01:20:36.540 Well done.

01:20:36.820 The other thing which is interesting,

01:20:38.040 the word aggressive comes up a lot in this article,

01:20:39.680 And they're obviously trying to – they code aggression

01:20:42.020 with right-wing politics.

01:20:43.620 Now, anyone who has been to a Palestine action protest

01:20:46.500 or been to a trans protest will see that aggression is not something

01:20:51.600 which is limited to right-wing political followers. 0.96

01:20:55.620 I would suggest the nastiest, most aggressive people you will see 0.81

01:20:58.540 are far-left activists.

01:20:59.700 But it's interesting how for them aggression is right-coded.

01:21:02.760 Yeah, and male-coded as well. 1.00

01:21:04.920 I mean, I've seen women destroy each other socially. 1.00

01:21:07.520 are the most unbelievably socially aggressive things that have been done by women and yet 0.98

01:21:12.380 they don't want to characterize that as aggression but anyway uh this this i think is probably the 0.71

01:21:16.820 best advert for load seaters that i've ever seen in my life right listen to this politics professor

01:21:21.760 alan finlayson has argued that load seaters is a political education project aimed at constructing

01:21:26.780 the worldview of the contemporary far right through its engagement however tedious it must

01:21:31.300 be very tedious which is why we're so successful uh its engagement with culture behind the paywall

01:21:36.980 they're a series on films video games shakespeare and epic poetry comics one didn't get shout out

01:21:41.020 i'm gussed viewers can spend time bathing in this worldview and thus engage with politics without

01:21:45.440 having to be engaged having for it to be about politics proper do sign up for five pound a month

01:21:50.500 and come and enjoy our incredible series of culture and video games shakespeare epic poetry

01:21:56.900 all of the premium content that we've got we work really hard i'm very proud of everything we've done

01:22:01.220 this is the thing again i imagine that is put in there because that is perceived as a criticism

01:22:06.800 you know what's that classic the politics is downstream of culture and not enough people

01:22:12.220 make the explicit connections between the cultural realm and the political realm you know what you

01:22:16.420 guys are doing very very well is trying to make those connections thank you and if you want to

01:22:20.200 like i said you can you can actually see a non-woke uh deconstruction of the epic of gilgamesh or

01:22:27.220 barbie or the iliad or barbie uh you you can you can have perspectives on these things that aren't

01:22:32.900 just more of the same and so come and subscribe um the last thing i want to touch on here is the

01:22:40.060 podcaster's popularity and loads presence in the house of comments show there is now a nativist

01:22:43.920 movement in this country that has achieved parliamentary representation and can articulate

01:22:47.980 a worldview indeed a culture for its sympathizers its presence means british politics is likely to

01:22:53.920 become more turbulent and aggressive as you say uh that the nativist far right will play a larger 0.99

01:22:59.620 role than ever that tends to happens if you cram thousands of rapey foreigners into the country

01:23:03.640 and then tell us not to notice sure but what what he's complaining about is that we have developed 0.99

01:23:08.180 an ecosphere right we have developed something that's self-sustaining and can grow on its own

01:23:13.460 produce its own entertainment producing culture produce a news output and be something that

01:23:18.320 people want to be a part of what he's complaining about is that you are beating the left with their

01:23:22.200 own game yes but also what he's complaining about and you're you're too good character to actually

01:23:27.300 admit this Carl um but it is down to you being a good man and this is no no but it is like this

01:23:33.860 is one of the reasons why after a year of doing other bits I came back because I missed everyone

01:23:38.020 here you've you've you've mentored a lot of young good lads to produce a hell of a lot of good work

01:23:42.600 you've you've enabled people to make lifelong friendships and without you yeah we wouldn't be

01:23:47.920 where we are politically but also a lot of people wouldn't have the lives they've got like I don't

01:23:51.320 think i'd even be a dad so thank you oh well thank you um so yeah basically folks um we're

01:23:57.200 winning and they know it and they can't help but admit it and everything they write about us

01:24:02.080 makes it sound incredible i sent this to my mum i was like mum check this out she's like oh my god

01:24:08.420 this is amazing i was like yeah the parrot enjoy it uh yeah i haven't got a report from the parrot

01:24:12.920 actually but um but yeah so well done everyone keep up the good work and we're going to win

01:24:18.900 they know we're going to win um right we'll go for some uh comments because this has been a long

01:24:23.620 one um zesty says uh if the grooming game report cannot convince the left of the negative impact

01:24:29.500 of mass migration then i fear nothing can well the thing is it's kind of part of the plan yes

01:24:35.020 they they view this as an acceptable sacrifice in for them this is akin to some kind of reparations

01:24:41.300 it's akin to uh a kind of um apology for colonialism well it's a regrettable transition

01:24:47.900 period and utopia is just over the horizon i know there's something about immiserating 0.71

01:24:53.680 white europeans that they really look forward to yeah there was an element of creation ritual

01:24:58.420 i i genuinely think it's connected to colonialism um alex says by the way the earliest example of 0.88

01:25:04.740 rape gangs i could find was in 1930 in birkenhead and you sent a link uh we've had pakistani rape

01:25:10.860 gangs longer than pakistan has existed as a state i will look into that that won't escape my

01:25:15.120 attention yeah that's fascinating uh daniel says as much as it disheartened me to sit in my home

01:25:20.260 county uh it's the west coast of scotland that shocked me the most yeah i know how like there's 0.95

01:25:24.560 virtually no immigrants in scotland at all the most common ones in scotland are roma gypsy rape

01:25:29.660 gangs which is one of the remember the dundee sophie from dundee guy yeah yeah yeah it turns 0.98

01:25:35.860 out he's a bulgarian gypsy right yeah and i all of those people who like know she's wrong spiked 0.98

01:25:41.760 and whatnot 0.98

01:25:42.280 Fraser Myers

01:25:44.100 wrote a piece

01:25:44.680 saying I was wrong

01:25:45.580 and then dedicate

01:25:46.460 like one paragraph

01:25:47.080 to saying yeah

01:25:47.740 I might jump the gun

01:25:48.380 but Tommy Robinson

01:25:49.580 is exploiting

01:25:50.340 okay

01:25:51.960 honestly Spike

01:25:53.220 just joining the bandwagon

01:25:54.400 is actually mildly

01:25:55.280 disappointing

01:25:55.680 because I used to

01:25:56.140 quite like Spike

01:25:56.880 because they would be like

01:25:57.780 ah we're going to tell

01:25:58.440 the hard truth

01:25:59.180 I agree

01:25:59.700 I used to quite like

01:26:00.740 that I used to quite

01:26:01.300 like Brendan O'Neill

01:26:02.060 but this is just

01:26:03.000 yeah I've

01:26:03.980 again I still do

01:26:05.480 like Brendan

01:26:05.920 I've been disappointed

01:26:06.920 in the way that he

01:26:07.580 has talked about

01:26:08.300 this restore thing

01:26:09.460 not for any

01:26:11.220 principal reason of mine

01:26:12.600 because I just think 0.98

01:26:13.220 it is dumb 0.97

01:26:13.900 and it falls into 1.00

01:26:14.680 the same trap

01:26:15.360 that so many people

01:26:16.160 have fallen into

01:26:16.900 in the last 10 years

01:26:17.780 of saying

01:26:18.200 my opponents are 1.00

01:26:19.760 racist, ignorant, bigots 1.00

01:26:21.220 and that does not work 1.00

01:26:22.400 and Brendan should be

01:26:23.320 smarter than that.

01:26:24.120 But also,

01:26:24.580 I don't really appreciate

01:26:25.420 the lies.

01:26:26.180 Like, he was saying,

01:26:28.180 oh, all the Restore supporters

01:26:29.540 who turned up

01:26:30.020 in Makerfield

01:26:30.480 are like, you know...

01:26:31.340 Nerds and gimps

01:26:32.060 with Oswald Mosey.

01:26:32.740 Yeah, Oswald Mosey fanboys.

01:26:34.120 That's not true.

01:26:34.700 But we've got the pictures.

01:26:35.680 Look at them.

01:26:36.040 They're all middle-aged

01:26:37.000 and it's mums and dads

01:26:38.400 who are concerned

01:26:39.120 about the future

01:26:39.600 of the country.

01:26:40.100 Yeah, like home-baked biscuits.

01:26:41.520 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:42.400 Like, we know the Restore membership very well.

01:26:44.320 The nerd thing I find quite odd just feels like kind of schoolyard,

01:26:47.500 kind of, you know, schoolyard comments.

01:26:49.400 And also, Stones and Glass Houses,

01:26:50.700 because he doesn't have the best hairline in the world,

01:26:53.060 and he thought wearing a fedora indoors for multiple years was a good look.

01:26:56.800 Sorry, anyone in the political punditry game is a nerd.

01:26:59.580 Yeah, you're good at the job.

01:27:01.980 But again, it's the likes.

01:27:04.000 That's obviously a lie.

01:27:04.880 These are not just like, you know, angry young men

01:27:06.740 with Oswald Mosley haircuts.

01:27:08.260 it's a it's a very deep subsection of the population this goes from top to bottom of

01:27:14.100 all kinds that are just concerned about this i mean like the lady in makefield is like good

01:27:18.000 you know like sorry it's it's just nonsense um jimbo says that's a pretty weak hit piece from

01:27:25.100 the guardian about the load seaters yeah notice how he couldn't uh describe any negative behavior

01:27:29.420 from the attendees everyone i spoke to was very friendly yeah i know it's again the same sort of

01:27:33.520 thing it's actually these are just the normal people of the country these are people who are

01:27:36.660 actually running things actually doing jobs paying taxes people with investments in the country who

01:27:43.040 don't want the destruction of the country and are so drawn to people like us drawn to restore britain

01:27:47.820 because they're like okay well something has to be done here we have to organize in some way

01:27:52.260 um so yes uh colin says is it okay if we look forward in anger well they never say they don't

01:27:59.280 they never say we can't well they don't say look don't look back in anger about colonialism or

01:28:04.400 point yeah yeah any other bygones aren't bygones there are very good point yeah uh michael says

01:28:10.220 50 pounds that's it that's cheap if i was going to come all the way to england to attend a live

01:28:14.220 event i would have got the full ride tickets sophie live made it so yeah yeah um put that

01:28:19.960 guardian article quote on the tube outside the guardians may stop car yeah i'm really tempted

01:28:24.200 to to be honest because i think it'd be actually hilarious um but also i mean i just think that's

01:28:28.260 a great uh advert anyway like you know the guardian are saying well you're the far right

01:28:32.460 oh yeah great great um anyway um geordie saultman says how does the factory manufacture their

01:28:37.960 grievances woven on loom stamped from sheets well i mean the the question is how yeah exactly how

01:28:43.380 are we creating grievances out of whole cloth right no the grievances are there and we would

01:28:46.780 like to talk to them about them because we don't want riku uh controlling the narrative of this

01:28:50.980 country i don't think that's an unreasonable thing to do i mean it may well be at some point that

01:28:54.660 keir starmer comes for us again go and sign up for the website um but until we are literally

01:28:59.360 stopped then why wouldn't we do what we're doing um henry says uh we're not just winning lads we're

01:29:05.580 doing it we're doing so on a positive vision of the future set against the uni party's managed

01:29:10.520 decline or the politics of spite and envy from the greens that vision is a breath of fresh air

01:29:14.560 yeah and that's that's another great point as well um we're actually optimistic that we can

01:29:18.940 have a country in which families can flourish i know that's far right i know that's i know that's

01:29:24.300 terrible um i was listening to an interview a while ago with nick k great australian

01:29:29.080 yeah musician rock star uh and he was asked you know you were you know counterculture in the 70s

01:29:36.000 and 80s you know how would you be counterculture today how would you stick it to the man he said

01:29:40.380 i'd be a christian i would have a family i'd be a christian i'd be a conservative and uh and he

01:29:47.020 went yeah like it's funny how still the lefties think that they are somehow anti-establishment

01:29:51.800 when they have will and truly become this stuff oh they have the politics of goldman sachs

01:29:55.360 download festival ranging against the machine down with tommy robinson something like that

01:30:00.220 wasn't it um what's his name tom morello had on the sign it's like you know i hate tommy robinson

01:30:05.600 or something like that so there could not be a more sanctioned opinion in the mainstream steve

01:30:11.480 law's in the crowd going yeah yeah yeah weird convergence there um but but like it's it's

01:30:18.960 literally that they won and they don't know what to do with the victory and now all they can do is

01:30:24.080 destroy things.

01:30:25.640 So anyway, Will, before we finish,

01:30:27.620 thanks so much for coming on.

01:30:28.620 Where can people find more from you?

01:30:30.720 On the socials, Twitter, Instagram.

01:30:33.400 No one wants to follow me on TikTok apparently.

01:30:35.340 So if anyone wants to follow my content on TikTok,

01:30:37.800 you can be one of the handful of people.

01:30:40.500 And then on GB News, the Saturday 5, 6 p.m. Saturdays

01:30:43.400 and on a variety of other shows across the channel.

01:30:46.300 You've migrated your interview series over.

01:30:48.360 Oh, yes.

01:30:49.040 Most important one for me to plug.

01:30:50.900 Fire at will.

01:30:51.780 Connor has previously been on before.

01:30:54.360 It used to be produced by an inferior organization.

01:30:57.600 It is now produced by The Spectator.

01:30:59.520 New episodes Wednesday, Friday, 6 p.m.

01:31:01.680 YouTube, all major podcast platforms.

01:31:04.160 Great.

01:31:04.520 All right.

01:31:04.840 Thanks for joining us, folks.

01:31:05.840 We'll see you tomorrow.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 17, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1442

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