The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1443

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1,443. I'm your host Harry

00:00:07.820 joined today by Faraz. All alone. And no one else it's just a double team right now dream team 0.99

00:00:14.220 obviously obviously and we're going to be talking about the more and more bizarre attacks on Restore

00:00:21.680 which I'm starting to starting to really love the kind of straws that they're willing to pull

00:00:25.800 you know I don't want to be I've said this to a lot of people recently I don't want to be a 1.00

00:00:29.920 a shill for a store or anything. I'll be critical where I need to be. And there are places to

00:00:34.640 criticize, but like, seriously, some of these attacks are absolutely delusional. And I kind

00:00:40.100 of love them. We're going to be talking about the, uh, reaction to the rape gang inquiry report.

00:00:45.680 Very interested to hear the sorts of reactions that you've been, uh, finding their reactions

00:00:49.860 from the Muslim community. Yeah. Although I've seen a lot of discussion on Twitter. I've seen a

00:00:53.900 lot of, uh, controversy regarding the report, not just from those sorts of people, but, um,

00:00:58.660 people who are ostensibly supporters of survivors as well and there seems to be a lot of stuff going

00:01:03.640 on with that i will just say like immediately i am very jet lagged we can tell so if there's a

00:01:10.960 little bit of grogginess if there's a little bit of tiredness that's why i've told firaz if i fall

00:01:16.600 asleep to prod me and also that means that i have not had chance to look through like the 219 pages

00:01:22.600 of the report yet, so I am not up to date on that, although I do have a lot of holdover

00:01:28.560 information from transcripts and such that I've read in the past. And I'm also going

00:01:33.300 to finish off by Firas and Hattie sitting in a tree, F-E-D-P-O-S-T-I-N-G. Sounds about 1.00

00:01:42.020 right. You should hear the kind of conversations we have in the office, and the sort of books

00:01:46.600 that we're reading. And also if Andy Burnham truly is the worst thing ever. The answer may

00:01:54.620 surprise you, so stay tuned. With that, anything you want to announce for the lovely people out

00:01:59.360 there today? Nothing for me. Nothing too exciting. Was I supposed to announce something? I'm just

00:02:04.160 wondering. No, no. You think it's Monday? No, it's not. That's the problem. I was supposed to

00:02:09.540 announce RealPolitik on Monday, but it's not Monday, it's Thursday. I'm just making sure,

00:02:12.900 dotting my i's crossing my t's come on and i just need coffee lots of coffee right yeah yeah fair

00:02:19.600 enough fair enough there we go okay so with that let's let's get straight into it so um something

00:02:26.760 i've noticed over the past week or two is that um the initial media blackout on restore as a

00:02:34.560 political party after they announced um the their standing for makerfield um has really really been

00:02:42.640 thrown to the side. And a lot of mainstream outlets and mainstream news sources are really

00:02:48.840 going hard attacking them and attacking them through very tangential ways and through some

00:02:53.840 very bizarre ways. Because obviously when the party was initially announced as being a party

00:02:58.380 rather than just a movement, you had a few reports on it. Mainly you had Nigel Farage when he was

00:03:03.280 questioned about it at that conference saying, no, they're not going to be a factor whatsoever.

00:03:08.040 They're not going to get 1%, right?

00:03:09.320 yeah they're not going to get any sort they even thought that they wouldn't get any traction in

00:03:13.340 great yarmouth itself and now of course we're being told that a vote for restore is splitting

00:03:18.580 the vote it's going to be handing the prime ministership to andy burnham and whatnot so

00:03:22.580 that turned out to be a not very successful prophecy from farage there we also got him

00:03:28.540 saying that the reason he kicked rupert low out of the party was because he wanted to actually

00:03:32.260 enact mass deportations which is not something that reform were favorable to at the time of

00:03:37.700 course, since Restore has been around, they seem to have shifted some positions around there.

00:03:42.200 Zia Yusuf is becoming a lot more hardline on the deportations thing, which is funny. And Nigel

00:03:49.680 Farage is now writing about demographic security. That's very interesting. So the shift in the

00:03:56.000 rhetoric has been achieved as a threat, essentially. From what I've been told by people, these were

00:04:02.800 reforms policies all the time, the whole time that they've been around as a party, and it's

00:04:06.840 only really been uh restore copying them well i i think it's literally the opposite but okay

00:04:13.960 well you know agree to disagree there um but yeah there was this media blackout after that

00:04:19.660 you didn't really get many reports on them but since they've started to uh stand in um these

00:04:24.900 well this particular by-election you've had all of the news media coming out attacking them

00:04:31.400 including through Attacking Us directly,

00:04:34.340 which I think was actually this,

00:04:36.800 because, you know, I spent an evening with fans of Lotus Eaters,

00:04:39.740 the hit podcast shaping Britain's new far-right culture.

00:04:42.780 Great advertisement, by the way.

00:04:44.540 Thank you very much.

00:04:46.700 You know, even I wouldn't have gone quite so far as to be so glowing.

00:04:51.480 I'd have felt very shameless.

00:04:53.660 I mean, it's quite a compliment if this is the podcast shaping the far-right culture,

00:04:58.800 but i don't think that the same things are meant by the term far right no we have very different

00:05:05.280 definitions to the kind of definitions that someone like oliver haynes has uh and also as

00:05:10.380 it turns out the daily mail which we'll get to in a moment uh but obviously what what's important

00:05:14.580 here is a sold-out show in its hometown swindon all the bombast uh and conviction during this

00:05:19.760 restore linked outfit was there to see so it's a strange way of attacking restore through attacking

00:05:25.220 us anything that's involved in this wider network that is broadly anti-labor, anti-reform. Because

00:05:32.040 The Guardian and other newspapers, yeah, they hate reform, but they don't see them as much

00:05:37.080 of a threat to the current liberal order. And quick thing, the event, the Lotus Eaters

00:05:43.420 live event, which if you missed it, you really missed something fantastic, was two or three

00:05:47.320 months ago. Yeah, it took a long while. So for this to come out means that they had a piece

00:05:52.500 and decided not to publish it and then they pulled it out and tried to use it to attack restore yes

00:05:57.600 the timing of all of this is very clear and obvious that they have timed this on tuesday

00:06:02.760 you know just a couple of days before polling day which we have today so if you are in the

00:06:07.460 maker field constituency uh then you know then you know what you need to do um the interesting

00:06:13.640 thing as well was daily mail which everybody wants to say is this uh far right rag that goes on and

00:06:20.200 tries to demonize migrants and other vulnerable people. Well, yeah, they do do a lot of interesting

00:06:27.680 reporting on some of the stuff that goes on with crimes committed by foreigners in Britain, 0.99

00:06:32.440 but when it comes to the final analysis, they are your enemy. They are absolutely your enemy 1.00

00:06:41.640 with this absolutely disgusting smear piece that they did here titled Restore Activists 0.99

00:06:48.360 at white supremacy summit with neo-Nazis. Evidence emerges on eve of vital by-election

00:06:55.400 that vote for Rupert Lowe's divisive party is a grave mistake. And here you can see this here is

00:07:03.060 Rupert Lowe photographed with a young chap called Angloid, who I've met very briefly. He's a good

00:07:09.360 young chap, but they have doxed him. They have doxed his name and they have tried to smear him

00:07:14.940 as a neo-Nazi, when he is simply a British nationalist, a British patriot, which nationalism,

00:07:22.600 if you want to call it an ideology, is a very different thing from Nazism or neo-Nazism.

00:07:28.660 Not that you even really need to quibble over these things because it is so obviously a smear

00:07:34.080 piece. And this was all centered around the Remigration Summit that took place, I believe

00:07:40.140 it was, when was it, earlier this month or last month, in Portugal, and they say supporters

00:07:47.600 canvassing for votes in this week's by-election were among those attending this far-right event

00:07:52.880 which called for a white-only Europe. Well, it actually just called for a European Europe, 0.51

00:08:00.940 a strengthening of demographics, and a reversal of the radical policy of mass migration and

00:08:07.840 demographic replacement that has been taking place in all of Europe since the post-war period began

00:08:14.780 really. Among those campaigning for restoring the constituency on Saturday was Callum Barker,

00:08:19.640 a quote, hardened neo-Nazi who was at the extremist re-migration summit in Portugal

00:08:26.120 two weeks ago. Friend of the show, by the way, Callum Barker, he's been on here a number of

00:08:30.760 times i think callum could be described as a number of things short hobbit-esque um resembling

00:08:38.160 zelensky zelensky-esque um neo-nazi is not one of those things that i would describe him as and

00:08:45.100 i don't think you could pin him as frankly he cares about his homeland and he cares about his

00:08:50.200 people he does not care about lieben's realm in the east and securing a living space um for the

00:08:57.100 german people shockingly enough remigration is a far-right concept referring to this is the daily

00:09:03.900 mail so the far-right rag hated by liberals and leftists across all of britain wants to let you

00:09:11.440 know that remigration is a concept referring to ethnic cleansing via the mass deportation of

00:09:17.680 non-white minority populations this of course ethnic cleansing being known as one of the bad

00:09:22.520 terms the bad words that only bad people would do to someone right as if the changing demographics

00:09:31.120 of london switching it around so that through because of mass migration only 37 percent of

00:09:38.980 london back in what 2020 2021 at the last census it's probably even worse now uh was british as

00:09:46.480 in white British, compared to, what, 99, 95% in the 1950s, as if that does not constitute some

00:09:55.020 kind of mass ethnic cleansing event that we can also see going across all of the cities in the 0.86

00:10:01.140 country, and now is breaching the shires as well. So by saying that you want to reverse the policy 0.67

00:10:07.800 of ethnic cleansing that was done against the wishes of the people, the Daily Mail wants to

00:10:14.040 smear you as some kind of mass murdering extremist because really what people think when they hear

00:10:21.060 ethnic cleansing they go neo-nazi ethnic cleansing camps murder if i go and live in lebanon that 0.76

00:10:28.420 doesn't make me ethnically cleansed just means i've gone back home yes there's which is extremism

00:10:36.900 in the language that is quite absurd if you say look you've overstayed your welcome um it's been

00:10:43.780 nice now it's time to go home okay fair enough if you read martin selner's book remigration which is

00:10:51.860 a full policy proposal and very comprehensively done as well and by the way martin selner was

00:10:58.320 the activist who set up the remigration summit in the first place if you go on the website you can

00:11:03.560 watch the interview that i did with martin who of course is also smeared as some kind of far-right

00:11:08.900 return of Hitler, neo-Nazi. He's actually an incredibly mild-mannered, gentlemanly persona

00:11:15.500 who wants to, again, dot his I's and cross his T's on all of this. And if you read his proposal

00:11:21.100 in his book, Remigration, it is exceptionally moderate. Like, it is not some kind of foaming

00:11:29.560 at the mouth, bloodthirsty document calling for murder and chaos on the streets. It's an attempt

00:11:35.660 to, in an orderly way, lay out some policies that would be able to restore the demographics of

00:11:41.380 Europe without violence. In fact, when it comes to, you could say, stateless people, maybe people 0.57

00:11:47.620 who are from states that no longer exist or who have been exiled from their states, whatever,

00:11:51.800 he advocates something like building an enormous city in North Africa, some kind of well-run,

00:11:59.840 high productivity well-developed megacity where they can all go which can provide them with

00:12:07.300 decent lives and also for all of the sorts of left-wing activists who desperately want to help

00:12:11.740 refugees and such can also provide them with jobs and work it's actually incredibly moderate and

00:12:18.460 quite well thought out on how you would be able to do all the agreements for these sorts of things

00:12:23.100 um so i've spoken to people in libya who are interested in doing exactly that well it's a

00:12:28.600 good idea they think that if they run it they can create another dubai in libya well the thing is

00:12:33.600 it's a great idea and for anybody who would be thinking of coming to europe having somewhere

00:12:38.060 much closer that's run really well where they can you know have a life and make money is actually a

00:12:45.180 fantastic pull factor there rather than all of the pull factors being straight to europe it's

00:12:50.060 if if we were in a time where things were managed a lot better such a thing would already exist

00:12:57.140 frankly and then they go on to talk about the great replacement and they say that people blame

00:13:02.680 the great replacement on jews trying to replace white people with immigrants like at this point

00:13:07.440 like you read through an article like this which is trying to smear a store by smearing the

00:13:13.360 activists involved in it you ask yourself how is the daily mail any different in the final analysis

00:13:20.580 from the Guardian? The answer is they are not. In fact, because of their reputation for being

00:13:28.100 right-wing and their desire to be respectable among establishment and left-wing types, they go

00:13:34.960 harder than the Guardian went. They go so overboard that they will dox a young and promising man

00:13:42.940 and try and ruin his life for the sake of smearing the people that he associates with. 0.98

00:13:48.140 this is utter scumbag tactics and the daily mail and the journalists who publish this let me see 0.98

00:13:54.780 what's the name glenn owen daisy graham brown should all be ashamed of themselves and should 0.97

00:13:59.940 all frankly be shamed out of the industry not that journalism is a respectable industry to begin with

00:14:06.180 and uh you know the daily mail has been going even harder like just everything the daily mail

00:14:12.660 and especially spiked online as well if you go on spiked online yes they they are also they are

00:14:17.280 going very, very hard and trying to pull out any sort of insult possibly. You know, anyone who

00:14:23.040 really cares about Britain won't vote restore because we've got the vote splitting argument

00:14:26.660 again. Let me just interrupt you there for a second. The thing is, anybody with any sense

00:14:33.840 knows that multiculturalism is a recipe for either tyranny or civil war. These are the only ways to 0.99

00:14:40.020 manage multiculturalism. You'd think given their reporting, the Daily Mail would actually understand

00:14:44.520 this. Exactly. Same with the Telegraph, who, by the way, took the exact same tack of just saying

00:14:49.960 neo-Nazi groups funding Restore Britain. Daily Telegraph, which is supposed to, of course, be

00:14:56.280 another right-wing newspaper. Yeah, but this idea, what it overlooks is that the multicultural

00:15:03.000 experiment has been tried and failed to the extent that even Angela Merkel said that multiculturalism

00:15:07.880 has failed. Angela Merkel, the same Angela Merkel who brought in millions of people, supposedly

00:15:14.140 syrian refugees of which only a third maybe were syrians she's on record saying maybe 10 years ago

00:15:21.080 now that multiculturalism failed and so what you're getting from these guys who are ostensibly

00:15:27.060 conservative media outlets is the insistence that multiculturalism has failed but don't you dare do

00:15:34.240 anything to reverse it why like if it's a failed experiment it's a failed experiment i think there's

00:15:40.140 number of reasons uh some a lot of them financial at this point uh not just in the private sector

00:15:46.140 in the public sector as well there are huge vested interests in ensuring the continued flow

00:15:52.740 goes up gdp goes isn't doing but also just individual firms as well i mean for instance

00:15:58.160 like the remittance industry there is a huge industry of go-betweens for these remittances

00:16:04.200 to go from one place to another who charge massive rates for these people.

00:16:08.860 So just on the micro level of getting money from one place to another,

00:16:13.560 there are so many people who make a lot of money from it

00:16:16.340 and have a financial interest in the flow of migration not stopping anytime soon.

00:16:22.940 Which means that if you had a conservative paper like the Telegraph,

00:16:26.760 it would say well usurers are trying to fund reform and the establishment well that would

00:16:36.200 be the sort of the other side of it financial speculators financial mediators they don't

00:16:41.660 are funding the entire establishment well okay well annoyingly the best sources for information

00:16:47.540 like that tend to come from actually um quote-unquote principled leftists who see themselves

00:16:56.440 as caring about the well-being of the people of the people sending remittances who think that one

00:17:02.720 they're being funneled to western countries as a source of siphoning off um cheap labor from the

00:17:09.440 countries that they begin in which has some merit to it and is too being taken advantage of by all

00:17:15.840 of these intermediaries to make a lot of money and again it's annoying that because of the kind

00:17:21.320 of media blackout on that kind of reporting from lots of right-wing sources the left has a bit of

00:17:27.720 a monopoly on that angle of attack because ultimately they don't want what we want either

00:17:33.840 even those people still want there to be some form of open borders policy where people can move

00:17:39.640 freely which means that they want to empower quote-unquote the global south to enrich themselves

00:17:46.600 at the expense of the quote-unquote global north uh but here's one of the most bizarre ones john

00:17:51.940 oliver is this man does anybody remember the last time that this man was read was he ever relevant

00:17:57.280 actually as anything other than john stewart's less talented sidekick on the daily show

00:18:03.080 for a few years he was always um i mean his whole stuff is ho ho ho ho ho ho i have a british accent

00:18:11.060 an american audience that that was that was the extent of it hey listen i over the weekend got

00:18:17.560 the glow of having a british accent around americans okay so i'm not going to blame him

00:18:22.740 for trading off of it however he is a bit of a condemnation of the kind of like um adoration

00:18:29.300 that a british accent can get you among americans sometimes for all of his faults john seward was

00:18:33.920 much better than him yes and seems to genuinely be a much more intelligent person uh basically he

00:18:40.300 just he gets the crowd to boo uh the clip of rupert saying that he would ban halal and kosher

00:18:47.420 because apparently john apparently john oliver is torture animals loves torturing animals i can

00:18:52.740 only speculate that is my speculation that is not the view of the podcast of lotus eaters but that

00:18:57.800 is personal speculation and then defends cousin marriages amongst ethnic minorities in britain

00:19:03.720 by saying that's how your royal family worked forever well the royal family is a very separate

00:19:11.560 level from the rest of the public from everybody else that is the secondly that isn't that true

00:19:18.460 you had all of royalty intermarrying based on class across all of europe as well yeah europe

00:19:23.820 this is how i mean there's something funny about royalty and and and and marriages but 0.82

00:19:29.960 pathetic so these are the mainstream ones and again it's just it's just very shocking to me

00:19:37.380 that for this supposedly no-name party that nobody cares about in britain they're mobilizing all of 0.98

00:19:44.940 the attacks across the british media we saw it the other week when the times and all of the other

00:19:49.320 ones came out with melanie phillips for instance but also american mainstream media now are coming

00:19:55.940 out and attacking for the sake of their american audience yes so you can know that you dare get any

00:20:01.940 ideas yes uh you dare get any ideas that's that's the message here but there are the more specific

00:20:08.020 attacks going on regarding makerfield right now for instance did you know that it is bad

00:20:13.380 uh that rupert lowe um delegates responsibilities within the party no does he i know right because

00:20:23.080 What would happen to the one-man band that is reform?

00:20:28.040 When you talk to some reform supporters, they will tell you, 1.00

00:20:31.080 well, don't worry about Danny Kruger's idiotic comments 0.99

00:20:34.200 about Afghans being the heirs of Alfred the Great. 0.99

00:20:37.940 Don't worry about Generic's background in importing bazillions of Afghans.

00:20:42.680 Or being a Boris waver.

00:20:43.420 And being a Boris waver.

00:20:44.960 Don't worry about all of this and that stuff.

00:20:47.320 Actually, it's secretly based Nigel Farage who's in charge of everything

00:20:51.760 and he calls all the shots.

00:20:53.080 and that's the only thing that matters, trust Nigel Farage.

00:21:00.260 It turns out Restore isn't like that and is a bit institutionalized.

00:21:04.860 How terrible.

00:21:06.360 Yes, because Alistair Harrison, who people have their own criticisms of,

00:21:11.480 and I think some of those criticisms are fair,

00:21:14.180 sometimes some of the social media output can be a little bit slop, right?

00:21:19.040 But that's my own personal complaint.

00:21:21.200 um rupert on the campaign trail in makerfield asked alistair harrison whether rebecca should

00:21:30.180 give an interview to a specific journalist when you know i mean looking around i mean just look

00:21:36.340 like so because he would know the journalists and he would know how it's going to be that you

00:21:41.160 would expect to be more on side like the daily mail and the daily telegraph are trying to smear

00:21:46.040 you as a neo-nazi party right so you know sometimes you just don't give people interviews

00:21:51.960 you you just don't i was there would nigel farish give us an interview no

00:21:57.260 let's let's try it out i very much doubt it let's try to see if nigel farish will give the lotus

00:22:04.120 eaters an interview i understand that he wouldn't and i understand his reasons for doing so because

00:22:09.420 we are not positive on restore that's just on reform yeah on reform sorry like we know yes

00:22:15.220 also the names are a little bit similar

00:22:18.260 but yeah

00:22:20.160 it's a completely understandable thing

00:22:21.940 Alistair says no let's not talk to that

00:22:24.340 journalist and then they go oh my god

00:22:26.620 this is like

00:22:27.760 slop YouTube brain

00:22:29.620 did you know that

00:22:31.780 Restore is fully run by

00:22:33.940 Alistair Harrison making Charlie

00:22:36.220 number two and Lewis

00:22:37.860 number three did you know this

00:22:40.380 the party is so

00:22:42.260 over

00:22:42.800 that's not what that means at all

00:22:45.080 like where have you pulled that from oh mr chief of staff do you think i'm going to get your

00:22:52.620 opinion here should we give this guy a quick interview no oh yeah good idea let's no

00:22:57.160 but you can just extrapolate from there my new favorite one is that

00:23:04.000 rupert lowe because he was a former conservative like nigel farage was and like

00:23:09.400 basically everybody on the right of that generation yes everybody of that generation

00:23:14.660 of the right including people like jonathan bowden who of course went on to be a speaker

00:23:19.700 events organized by the bnp right was at one point a tory party member so unless you want

00:23:25.200 to start making the argument jonathan bowden secret tory spy i doubt it i doubt it uh saying

00:23:32.860 that because Rupert Lowe is a former Tory MP, well, former Tory member, and as a result is

00:23:39.080 polite to the Tories. I mean, why not be polite to the Tories at this point? They're nobodies.

00:23:45.960 They're a nothing party that are going to get wiped out. This means that they are secret Tory

00:23:52.960 spies, which Carl pointed out. I mean, it's a good job that Nigel Farage gave him the leg up in the

00:24:01.840 first place then which would ultimately that nigel farage is a tory spy starting a party that would 0.98

00:24:08.240 then boost the career of a man who would start another party to destroy the party that he started

00:24:14.100 to ultimately back to the tories can we pause to marvel at the photograph

00:24:20.560 it is it is the start of a video i just think it's a quite torturous logic suicide of a nation

00:24:29.080 suicide of a career on his desk so you can see where his allegiances lie um here's just an

00:24:36.120 unrelated picture of uh not not at all aligned with the establishment Nigel Farage dancing and

00:24:42.540 partying with Preeti Patel who imported all of the Indians during the Boris wave um at the

00:24:48.280 Conservative Party conference in 2023. Is he a Tory plant? I mean judging by this logic he must be

00:24:55.500 okay right um this is another line that Alex Phillips is pushing as well Labour pushing

00:25:01.320 restore in order to stop reform I've not seen that at all have you seen this I thought Labour

00:25:06.680 were pushing Andy Burnham their candidate who is standing for the by-election the Tories pretty

00:25:13.260 much inventing restore where did you get that from again to stop reform restore is actually

00:25:19.520 the main vehicle of the establishment to block the anti-establishment the anti-establishment

00:25:24.660 party of reform whose shadow cabinet is primarily made up of former boris wave tories

00:25:30.100 so nadim zahawi and nadine doris are the anti-establishment am i reading this

00:25:37.740 robert generic too robert generic too okay i mean i feel dumber but okay and and carl pointed out

00:25:47.460 that reform are the ones who for a long time have been saying that if they were to get enough seats

00:25:51.100 they would probably do a deal with the Tories which the Tories have reciprocated as well and

00:25:56.780 why not you've got half the party in your in your cabinet positions anyway what's the difference

00:26:02.900 so yeah just like obviously the by-election is today we'll see what the results are I'm interested

00:26:09.000 I'm very excited to see what the results turn out to be I think restore whether or not they end up

00:26:17.020 winning are going to surprise with the uh amount of vote share that they receive we'll see and 0.98

00:26:22.100 they're gonna find out in 12 hours yeah um but the stupid arguments that have been brought out 0.99

00:26:30.880 against them are just getting more and more desperate i mean come on yeah it's it's sad 0.99

00:26:38.620 it's sad it is sad to see but these are our enemies so you know if we fail then we've got

00:26:45.020 to be doing something really wrong i'll go through some of the rumble rants that we've got here

00:26:49.100 um sigil stone firaz who's this weird patrick bateman wannabe with the frizzy mid part wave

00:26:55.580 joining you today yeah i haven't commented about his hair yet um very nice haircut thank you thank

00:27:01.700 you very much my mum loved it yes i'm sure she did yes and your mother did too um random name

00:27:08.740 sad oliver haynes didn't get the vip ticket he missed the after party where we danced around a

00:27:14.060 burning i can't read the rest of that sentence that's that's a random name as always as always

00:27:23.440 too spicy man beautiful brownist super chatter that's a random name trying to get us in trouble

00:27:29.560 again i wouldn't even ethnically cleanse you new carl benjamin busted brian remember the machine

00:27:37.000 doesn't call you names because they believe it they do it to grant validity and permission to

00:27:41.160 future bullets and knives they put angloid's full name under his picture deliberately yes this is

00:27:46.780 absolutely true they know what skip that one from that's a random name again uh yes we we see what

00:27:52.400 you're putting down there uh here it's beautiful but ross sanit chiban says angela merkel's point

00:27:58.900 was that we need more multiculturalism not that it's failed and we need to stop yes because doing

00:28:04.740 more of the same always works yeah uh random name again uh random name again i apologize folks i'll

00:28:12.880 be better tomorrow at the lotus leaders event me i'm a descendant of alfred the great harry you

00:28:18.400 are black me exactly yeah that's pretty much the car how the conversation went i think that's a

00:28:23.440 one-to-one transcript ochik door bad comedy can be analogous to torture yes yes uh fallen firebird

00:28:34.360 good point what's more likely that the party with the entire boris wave cabinet in it is the tories

00:28:40.360 or that rupert is secretly a super deep covered tory super spy engineering 6d chess by kemi to

00:28:49.020 sabotage nigel yeah that's that's the thing ultimately what are they suggesting and yes

00:28:55.140 sigil stone you are right all of my all of my neurons work like samson who lost his strength

00:29:00.580 because of this hair being cut all of my hair his brain cells went with his hair too i do have a

00:29:05.720 hair cut tomorrow it was my neurons biblical synapses not you synapses and my neurons they

00:29:10.840 were all firing at the end of my hair and now they're just they're just gone yeah i mean what

00:29:16.000 yeah what you are suggesting is that some kind of like michael gove kemi badenock jacob reese mog

00:29:22.220 secret meeting concocted the plan to uh put restore together thanks okay yeah i mean if

00:29:30.220 that's true thanks it's just every level of it is absurd uh so rupert lowe's and restore britain's

00:29:40.360 rape gang inquiry came out and it had a bunch of pretty shocking testimonies about the kinds of

00:29:47.000 abuse and torture that were fully enabled by the entire british establishment um stories

00:29:54.600 studies that we've seen being reported in the past about the rape gangs document how, at least

00:30:02.400 in one case, one girl ended up being raped by three different groups of men in the same town.

00:30:08.960 Was it Oldham, I think it was? Probably. Again, I've not had a chance to read through it myself.

00:30:16.080 And I thought it was worth exploring the reaction from the Muslim community and trying to see if

00:30:23.640 this divide is in some ways bridgeable? And it won't surprise you that the answer is probably not.

00:30:30.880 Now, we have five pillars here, which is a mouthpiece for some of the Muslim community in 0.86

00:30:37.580 Britain, saying that the report is full of unverified statistics produced by independent

00:30:43.360 Christian evangelical groups, meaning that if it comes from Christians, it's false, makes you wonder

00:30:49.480 what does it mean if it comes from Muslims? 1.00

00:30:51.280 Like, that's the natural conclusion. 0.98

00:30:53.780 An independent fact checker gave the inquiry

00:30:55.900 a trust score of just 88%.

00:30:57.960 What they're referring to is an AI fact check

00:31:01.140 that they ran on something or the other

00:31:03.180 rather than something substantial, but okay. 0.98

00:31:08.000 And then you get this, it's utter rubbish, 0.92

00:31:10.780 the transparently dodgy report funded with 600,000 pounds.

00:31:15.000 Just a reminder, I think the J inquiry cost 200 million

00:31:18.340 or something like that so getting a report out for this price in modern britain is actually

00:31:24.500 yeah that's that's pretty good it isn't a serious inquiry it's political theater

00:31:30.340 time for the makerfield election intended to whip up division and fear

00:31:33.840 if you're worried about division and fear this is not the correct reaction uh ethnic solidarity

00:31:43.460 and clannishness isn't the correct reaction here.

00:31:46.660 But anyway, it's promoted by Islamophobic outlets

00:31:50.240 like GB News.

00:31:51.600 Well, thanks for not mentioning us, I guess.

00:31:55.200 Protests are organized around it.

00:31:56.900 The public must read through this cynicism

00:31:58.880 and reject it decisively.

00:32:00.880 Why should the public decisively reject

00:32:03.360 the collated testimonies of victims?

00:32:06.420 I don't understand.

00:32:08.120 I don't understand, but okay.

00:32:10.100 And Roshan Saleh, the editor of this outfit

00:32:14.320 Goes a bit vulgar

00:32:17.200 And says that it's a report compiled by Islam haters

00:32:21.000 Designed to come out with a predetermined outcome

00:32:23.200 I don't know

00:32:25.140 I think that they looked at the number of convictions

00:32:27.720 And at the lists of people who were convicted

00:32:30.160 Found that 80-90% of the names were Muslims

00:32:32.740 And said this is what happened

00:32:34.340 So that's not weaponizing real crimes

00:32:38.580 crimes and trauma that's looking at the numbers and reaching conclusions but okay

00:32:44.200 and i i believe um the what was it 87 muslim figure has been around for about 10 years i

00:32:52.920 believe peter mclaughlin was the one who put it together by extrapolating the data from all of the

00:32:58.120 reports that he'd looked into taking all of the names and then just calculating uh calculating

00:33:03.380 from there yes exactly so this is something that we've we've known about for a while in fact

00:33:08.100 from everything that i've seen about the report um the one thing that i would say is it doesn't

00:33:15.840 seem to be adding any new data beyond the new testimonies that have been presented most of the

00:33:21.580 actual numbers and figures that are being presented have been collated from either previous reports

00:33:26.580 or previous journalistic investigations and studies into it so if anything really it's

00:33:31.540 kind of like a a a contribution to all of that with the new testimony and a collation of the

00:33:39.000 rest of the information into something more easily digestible exactly and it's the first

00:33:44.560 time that this is done independently and it does show that there is a horrific scale and and and

00:33:49.580 i think a lot of um in my experiences in america as well um i think a lot of people outside of

00:33:56.920 england don't know one how well known it is that all of this stuff goes on anyway because even

00:34:02.920 people that's the key even people who don't agree with so-called far-right politics and such

00:34:11.020 know that this stuff has gone on they know that it's happened that they have an idea of the kind

00:34:16.220 of scale that it's happened at they just try to um diffuse it by saying oh well you know well we

00:34:23.220 can't judge everybody by it and if you're trying to judge entire communities by it then then you're

00:34:28.140 some kind of evil person but in in america like they had no idea the kind of trauma that in

00:34:34.040 particular the working class yes have experienced because of this if you are in some towns in

00:34:39.540 northern england like like rotherham or rochdale if you have lived there your whole life you know

00:34:46.500 somebody that this has happened to yes you've lived near them perhaps you're even related to

00:34:51.440 one. And you know how the institutions around them failed them utterly, and in many cases

00:34:57.120 actively facilitated and encouraged this kind of behavior to take place. And it's just a

00:35:05.720 horrifying thing to think that if you're in those neighborhoods, if you're in those towns even today, 0.97

00:35:10.720 and you walk past someone of Pakistani extraction, you might be walking next to somebody who was 0.75

00:35:16.380 involved in it or certainly knew it and covered it up so in some of the towns the estimates are

00:35:22.220 that 12 of the males were involved and when you have it at that scale that means that the others 0.99

00:35:27.700 know about it because these are deeply clannish communities where everybody gossips about everybody

00:35:33.080 else's cousin and they know what is going on within their society on the transcripts i read

00:35:39.680 of of the oxford grooming gang for instance these were like pillars of the community yes these were

00:35:46.220 family men who were well liked and respected in their communities who ran businesses often you

00:35:52.520 know corner shops and takeaways where the events took place in the floor above and they were able

00:35:57.900 to invite people in oxford from as far away as bradford yes to come and take part in the abuses

00:36:03.660 that they were conducting these are not one-off exactly figures the this is this is a full

00:36:09.800 community conspiracy. Exactly, which is why the defenses that are coming here from Gaza MP Ayub

00:36:17.300 Khan are quite pathetic, because the whole point is from his defense is to say, but it's not just us,

00:36:26.100 that there's nothing particular about this community, which is a point that I'm going to 0.99

00:36:29.160 get to near the end and explain why there is, in fact. And also the information in here is actually

00:36:33.620 quite blatantly misleading in the first place, where he posts in this little letter here,

00:36:38.380 In 2020, the Home Office itself published a review into group-based child exploitation,

00:36:42.880 which concluded that, quote,

00:36:44.220 there is no credible evidence that this type of offending is more prevalent among Asian or Muslim communities.

00:36:49.920 Now, that was the headline.

00:36:51.500 That was one of the summaries of the information that was included in the report.

00:36:56.400 But I have actually read that report.

00:36:58.240 And if you go into the breakdown of the data further on,

00:37:02.680 where most people don't read past the summaries.

00:37:05.060 That's exactly what it shows. 0.80

00:37:06.120 Yes, it actually does show that not only is it Asians, but also Muslims in general are about two or three, probably more times more prevalent in these kinds of crimes. 0.96

00:37:17.840 Yes.

00:37:18.140 That home office report, while a lot of the data in it is very good, was also politically motivated in the way it presented that information.

00:37:26.540 Exactly, exactly. So there is this consistent denial about it.

00:37:29.820 And Tell Mama, which is one of the outfits that's sort of supposedly all about reporting anti-Muslim hate, it completely ignores the report.

00:37:38.080 But I found an older post of theirs basically saying that how dare people post Muslims and rape in association together with the grooming scandal.

00:37:49.420 And I'll explain why they do that in a moment.

00:37:52.100 But you can quickly see that there is this quick effort to deny that there is any relationship.

00:37:58.120 Well, Telmama are the ones that come up with bunk information and stats by saying,

00:38:01.980 anti-Muslim hate has increased by 400%, and they're all taking it from like 14 phone calls

00:38:07.240 from people who they've, where it's like, someone said they don't like my headscarf,

00:38:11.740 and they count that as an increase in anti-Muslim hate in the country.

00:38:14.900 Exactly, exactly.

00:38:16.660 Adnan Hussain, another member of the Gaza MPs, actually says some things that are half sensible.

00:38:24.340 Years of evasion, institutional failure, and political cowardice surrounding grooming gangs

00:38:28.440 have brought us to a point where an entire community stands accused for the crimes of

00:38:32.420 individuals. Now, half sensible. There have been years of evasion and institutional failure and

00:38:39.020 political cowardice, but there is the reality that this community is massively overrepresented in

00:38:45.480 this crime, and that is because of the way the community organizes, including to defend itself,

00:38:52.300 to the extent that the same guy

00:38:54.860 who's making the sensible point

00:38:56.700 decided to abstain when there was a vote up

00:38:59.960 for a national inquiry about grooming gangs.

00:39:03.200 So yes, but you are part of the problem, sir.

00:39:08.280 You are part of the problem.

00:39:09.180 Ultimately, he'll always defend his and his own.

00:39:11.880 That's the thing.

00:39:13.160 The unanswered question is not simply what happened,

00:39:15.220 but how it was allowed to happen for so long.

00:39:16.980 Correct, correct, correct.

00:39:19.220 not by failing to fully investigate the institutional culture of failures involved

00:39:23.860 governments created a void now filled by those who begin with a verdict and work backwards

00:39:28.800 that's not what's happening that's what the data is suggesting sir but also ignore that what what

00:39:35.080 is what is his thesis what's his hypothesis for how it was allowed to happen what kind of

00:39:40.820 satisfying answer can he says about racial sensitivities the failure must be examined

00:39:47.520 Without reservation

00:39:48.300 Half sensible

00:39:49.520 Half sensible

00:39:50.440 But

00:39:51.700 Hmm

00:39:52.500 Not really

00:39:54.160 He talks about it in parliament

00:39:58.460 Which I think is commendable

00:40:00.040 Because when he spoke about it in parliament

00:40:01.620 He did it in a good way

00:40:03.140 He did it in a good way

00:40:04.880 While trying to sort of

00:40:06.200 Maintain this distance

00:40:07.800 Between his community

00:40:09.000 And the scandal

00:40:10.720 Rahm al-Adwan

00:40:13.960 Who was a

00:40:14.740 A medical doctor

00:40:17.340 one of those Palestine activists, 0.80

00:40:20.020 she actually comes up with a sensible take.

00:40:22.000 It doesn't matter if the data is bad

00:40:23.440 for the Pakistani community

00:40:24.600 or if Muslims are overrepresented.

00:40:27.200 As a Muslim, she says,

00:40:28.600 I care only that it never happens again.

00:40:30.580 Thank you.

00:40:31.640 Fair enough.

00:40:32.620 Fair enough. 1.00

00:40:33.540 She then tries to go and play some games 1.00

00:40:36.520 with the numbers to say that,

00:40:38.420 you know, we don't have a full picture.

00:40:40.580 It's too early to reach conclusions.

00:40:42.240 But the first part, again,

00:40:43.640 with a half sensible commentary.

00:40:44.900 another half sensible comment nobody's saying that they shouldn't face justice

00:40:50.300 but you cannot blame the entire muslim world nobody's blaming the entire muslim world

00:40:55.120 what is being pointed out is the actions of this community in britain not the one and a half billion

00:41:00.960 muslims globally and it's perfectly fair given the actions of this community in britain and the 1.00

00:41:05.660 continued activities of these communities when they come here for us to say we do not want you 1.00

00:41:10.740 here anymore and we do not want any more of you if you all behave perfectly well and fine in your

00:41:15.720 own countries then that is absolutely fantastic we would like you to remain there please there's

00:41:22.100 nothing controversial here um but here's another this is a muslim convert and this is a friend of 0.62

00:41:29.040 his quoting him basically saying the rape gangs openly and brazenly threaten victims and their

00:41:35.700 families, the authorities, do nothing. Which is something that we've known about for a long time,

00:41:41.160 and this is written in 2016. So there have been some sensible reactions, but the vast majority

00:41:47.180 have not been sensible. Then you get truly horrific. Where this guy, who seems to be

00:41:56.240 quite closely associated with this, if this is the same guy whose profile we've seen on other

00:42:02.680 social media, then that is a failed lawyer who is actually going online to threaten

00:42:09.240 victims. To deny that this has happened and to say that basically he's describing the victim

00:42:18.460 as a quote-unquote white bitch making false accusations. And then he's saying that he's 0.99

00:42:26.100 going to her and asking her to answer his telephone calls wow so funny what an edgy guy

00:42:32.800 so kind of confirming some of these things a 13 year old girl says how scary it is she's going

00:42:41.860 to school and he replies that uh and says that asian boys are coming up to me saying i'm going 0.81

00:42:47.620 to rape you and he says i would yeah yeah one of the most and then he says about victims 0.96

00:42:58.240 she wanted it just like you all do see this is this is one of the interesting things one of the 0.97

00:43:04.760 more bizarre areas of controversy regarding this i've seen people trying to almost

00:43:09.900 not defend the broader muslim community in britain but almost kind of diminish what they did

00:43:17.380 yes what i'm going to call the michael tracy line of argument you know michael tracy and his line

00:43:22.780 of argument with epstein of like oh they were all you know they weren't actually children they were

00:43:27.500 teenagers and they went to his house so you know they kind of chose what was going to happen

00:43:31.820 completely ignoring which was the policy of the british police for years yeah completely ignoring

00:43:36.340 they do they do that same thing here where it's like oh she was 11 and she chose to go and take

00:43:41.640 drugs with these men and then she chose to let it happen which is of course it just ignoring the

00:43:46.760 complete vulnerability of young girls and the fact that this does not somehow absolve older men from

00:43:54.080 taking advantage of young girls and the fact that many of them come from deprived backgrounds a lot

00:44:00.080 of them when they go through therapy kind of have to have a reverse um a reverse cult engineering

00:44:06.560 style of therapy because they get brainwashed into thinking that what they're doing is normal

00:44:11.860 and good. These are all factors that I've seen some people try and diminish or ignore or outright

00:44:17.220 just say, oh, well, it's not a problem then because the girls were into it. I don't want

00:44:22.560 these people... Which is why I think it was under Gordon Brown that they were being described as

00:44:26.620 child prostitutes. Yes. This is what was happening. So the state was fully complicit in this. And this 0.98

00:44:32.360 is one of the things that keeps coming out. One policeman delivers the victim to the perpetrators

00:44:39.520 and says, have fun with her.

00:44:42.480 That's the kind of testimony.

00:44:43.860 Whoever that person should,

00:44:45.400 that name should be unearthed

00:44:46.740 and that person should be put through prosecution.

00:44:48.800 Exactly, exactly.

00:44:52.060 And this guy, the same guy

00:44:53.660 who's sort of threatening victims now,

00:44:55.320 he has form for this

00:44:56.540 because he was previously banned from practicing law

00:44:59.620 for threatening people

00:45:00.620 and saying what he was going to do to them.

00:45:02.760 So this is not exactly new.

00:45:06.180 And then there's this guy who says,

00:45:07.860 well, they told you the victims

00:45:09.120 were only white they were never only white our sisters were taken too notice the language our

00:45:14.700 sisters were taken too and then he tries to flip it and say that actually it was um that there have

00:45:20.700 been some uh asian girls who were groomed and exploited well obviously if that happens these 0.99

00:45:28.060 people involved should be killed that should be the punishment for for raping uh kids no problem 1.00

00:45:35.640 with that. But what is different here is that they couldn't, at the drop of a hat, call 20 or 30 of 1.00

00:45:42.440 their relatives and neighbors and friends to come and join them in rape. They had to operate

00:45:48.540 clandestinely, not sort of invite their cousins to come and join them in rapes. And this is the

00:45:53.980 piece that seems to be missing from people who, like this account, care apparently about

00:46:01.140 uh islamophobia in in in the uk and it they can't get their heads around it bushra sheikh

00:46:08.300 says that uh you know on the same day that the inquiry was was revealed she says that

00:46:14.960 rupert lowe is a toxic old man because the independent was attacking him okay thank you

00:46:21.380 independent and because he actually released this report so you're seeing this backlash from the 0.99

00:46:28.100 Muslim community that's quite crazy. Here she is again. Islam is not responsible for the actions

00:46:33.880 of some bad people, the same way Christianity isn't. Islam sentences pedophiles and in many 0.94

00:46:39.580 cases rapists to death. This is where I want to pause for a second. In Pakistan, to prove a rape, 0.99

00:46:47.200 you need to have four eyewitnesses. And if a girl comes complaining of being raped and can't provide 0.99

00:46:53.520 four eyewitnesses, she can be accused of adultery. Basically, she's confessing to adultery,

00:46:59.800 essentially, if there aren't four eyewitnesses. And if she confesses to adultery under a tribal 0.66

00:47:05.800 council in Pakistan or in Afghanistan, she can easily end up being stoned. So the culture within

00:47:13.240 Pakistan and a lot of South Asia is a huge part of the problem. 0.96

00:47:20.440 That sounds an awful lot like a rigged system. 0.97

00:47:23.380 Yes, a little bit. 0.54

00:47:24.300 And in some cases where a rape is proven, the victim's family can rape a girl from the perpetrator's family.

00:47:31.340 Like that sometimes happens.

00:47:34.380 So there is, in fact, a connection. 0.98

00:47:38.020 And this isn't true of the entire Muslim world.

00:47:40.920 But this is true of Pakistan in particular.

00:47:44.600 And that has to be said if you're going to have an honest conversation.

00:47:48.740 Now, there's another bunch of things that have to be said here when you are thinking about this kind of context.

00:47:55.600 When you think about Islam and sexuality, you can't ignore the fact that, according to the Hadith, Muhammad had a nine-year-old for a wife.

00:48:05.460 And that you regularly see Islamic parties in Muslim countries making calls to lower the age of marriage to nine years old in line with the practices of Muhammad. 0.85

00:48:18.040 So for Muslims, any kind of sexual development in a teen or tween is a sign that, yes, she is a proper subject for your sexual interests, regardless of your own age. 0.67

00:48:35.740 Because as we know, Muhammad was 54 when he took a nine-year-old wife. 0.84

00:48:40.660 She was six when he married her, nine when they consummated the marriage. 0.64

00:48:44.860 And you can't ignore this.

00:48:46.960 You can't ignore this. Islam's whole view on paradise reduces it to essentially a brothel. 1.00

00:48:55.900 You have wine, you have meat, and you have a lot of women. That's Islam's view on paradise. 1.00

00:49:03.520 And you see clerics on video saying that what people in paradise spend their days doing is 1.00

00:49:12.020 having sex with women in paradise 0.99

00:49:15.240 whose virginity renews after every sexual encounter. 0.99

00:49:21.640 So that is part of the mindset,

00:49:24.020 and you can't ignore it.

00:49:26.360 Then there is the idea that the West in general,

00:49:28.800 Christendom in general, 0.93

00:49:30.520 this is Dar al-Harab, this is the abode of war. 1.00

00:49:33.600 And Muslims are naturally called upon 1.00

00:49:36.300 to be at war with these people. 1.00

00:49:37.640 And in war, Islam permits taking women and children as sex slaves 0.97

00:49:43.900 To the extent that Muhammad had to add a verse to the Quran 0.96

00:49:48.020 Because there was one military encounter where they captured a bunch of married women 0.97

00:49:54.540 The Arabs said, they're married, we can't take them in that way 0.91

00:50:00.140 And then Muhammad adds a verse to the Quran saying, no, no, no, God says that you can

00:50:05.160 So these things aren't separable 1.00

00:50:08.620 Compounding factor is the sheer extent of clannishness of these communities

00:50:17.620 And their total closedness to any outsiders 0.97

00:50:22.140 And their view of Western law in general as illegitimate

00:50:26.820 Of the state in the West as being illegitimate

00:50:30.380 Because it doesn't follow the laws of the Quran 0.53

00:50:33.160 And anything that doesn't follow Islamic law

00:50:35.380 Is not a legitimate legal system 0.57

00:50:37.400 And then you see how you end up

00:50:41.620 With this problem in this community

00:50:43.460 There are roots

00:50:45.800 The roots of this problem 0.99

00:50:48.800 Are deeply based in Islamic religious beliefs

00:50:52.180 And in Islamic practices

00:50:54.160 Including cousin marriage

00:50:56.340 Which is fully endorsed by the Quran

00:50:58.380 And which is encouraged in Muslim societies

00:51:01.780 So you can't just pretend that there is no link between this and that. 0.98

00:51:06.900 There obviously is.

00:51:08.180 And then if you look at Islamic history, look at the Ottoman trade in slaves.

00:51:14.220 Obviously, under the Ottomans, white women were sold at a huge premium 0.96

00:51:18.140 because they were seen as more sexually desirable. 1.00

00:51:22.340 That's why the Ottoman royal family is all blonde and blue-eyed.

00:51:25.800 like if you look at a picture of the the descendants of the ottoman ruling family today

00:51:31.920 they're all they look like you they look like you uh that's because royalty so you might be

00:51:40.860 ottoman royalty for all i know uh that was a big part of it if you look at the umayyads the umayyads

00:51:46.680 have like there are still letters in in arab history about the campaign into north africa

00:51:52.500 and about the caliph asking his agents to send him a lot more women

00:51:56.820 because they were just selling like hotcakes. 0.88

00:52:00.820 If you look at the Barbary slave trade, well, you know, whites were at a premium.

00:52:07.060 If you look at the raids on European cities, whites were sold at a premium.

00:52:12.420 So this thing is deeply associated with Islam and with Islamic history. 0.97

00:52:17.280 And to sit there and pretend that there is no connection is much more absurd than to say there is obviously a connection, but that doesn't mean that every Muslim is a rapist. 0.94

00:52:29.860 You can't say every single Muslim is guilty. Fair enough. But you can say that this community does create this problem in every single town that it lives in. 0.98

00:52:40.520 And therefore, as a precaution, British people can say, we're not interested in having this community remain here.

00:52:49.520 That's well within their right to say it. 0.98

00:52:52.260 And just imagine if it was the other way around. 0.99

00:52:55.680 Imagine if you had British colonies in Pakistan busily taking and drugging and raping Pakistani kids. 0.99

00:53:04.760 How would their reaction have been? 0.96

00:53:07.320 So please, Bushra, let's not pretend that there is no connection.

00:53:11.460 Let's admit that there is one, and then we'll see how the conversation goes.

00:53:16.580 But this whole denial and obfuscation, nobody ever believes that.

00:53:21.400 Nobody ever believes that anymore.

00:53:24.660 All right.

00:53:25.520 Got a few rumble rants in from that one if you want to read through a couple of them.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, sure.

00:53:31.100 I don't know how many we can read because...

00:53:34.020 Sigilstone, thank you.

00:53:35.080 We're not reading this.

00:53:36.480 that's a random name.

00:53:39.040 I'm convinced that this is happening

00:53:40.240 throughout the rest of the West, yes.

00:53:42.340 There will be, there needs to be trials afterwards, yes.

00:53:46.240 If they react so strongly when we expose their crimes,

00:53:49.760 how will they react when we start deporting them?

00:53:53.500 Yeah, good question.

00:53:55.380 As far as I'm concerned,

00:53:56.960 Islam is based around the concept 1.00

00:53:58.400 that men have no agency. 1.00

00:53:59.900 That is a key point.

00:54:01.300 That is a key point. 1.00

00:54:02.360 The whole idea is that unless a woman 1.00

00:54:05.040 is covered up and escorted, she's fair game. 0.94

00:54:09.940 And there's a hadith, sort of,

00:54:12.240 like the hadith as to how the hijab was introduced

00:54:14.400 is a pretty weird one.

00:54:15.740 You should go and read about this.

00:54:17.600 It's really crazy. 1.00

00:54:18.620 I'm convinced that Islam is a religion for gooners. 1.00

00:54:23.260 Moving on. 1.00

00:54:24.560 Busted Brian says,

00:54:25.900 I'll say to this panel what I said to a previous one.

00:54:28.540 I think Firas was on that one.

00:54:30.220 Be mindful that the fear from these people

00:54:31.960 may grow to the point that they try to prescribe,

00:54:34.860 restore as terrorists yeah they wouldn't go that far i think as carl said when you said it the first

00:54:40.460 time but they would go to incredible lengths yes they'll try smearing they'll try doxing

00:54:45.140 um frankly the problem with trying to do that to restore is that they have nothing they have

00:54:51.280 nothing to put such a claim forward um exactly with so that even in our fallen system there is

00:54:58.880 still a certain evidence um like evidentiary barrier to doing something like that um the thing

00:55:06.240 that you might worry about would be that they would try and do something like they did through

00:55:10.940 to the bnp that through some kind of independent neutral journalist they would end up leaking the

00:55:18.800 full membership documents yes uh which would be a threat to cause a lot of people trouble in their

00:55:24.360 personalized i think that would be the worst threat that they could put forward uh but frankly

00:55:29.380 um you know with people like angloid there seems to be a good strength of character from people

00:55:35.180 and a good support network for them now which may not have been available to people back when the 1.00

00:55:41.000 bnp were getting doxxed like that back in the day anyway so last segment of today again it is

00:55:48.680 polling day in Makerfield, so my support goes out to all the boys who have been putting in a lot of

00:55:54.760 good work. It was great meeting all of the canvassers last week for the two days that I was

00:55:59.160 in Wigan and Makerfield. It struck me this morning while I was preparing for this podcast that

00:56:05.500 given that this by-election was started in the first place by Josh Simons, the MP for Makerfield,

00:56:12.540 stepping down specifically to give Andy Burnham room to move into a seat where he would be able

00:56:19.500 to then trigger a leadership contest with the Labour Party. We've not actually covered anything

00:56:28.680 to do with Andy Burnham, who he is, and why a lot of people are trying to argue that Andy Burnham

00:56:35.680 becoming the Prime Minister, if he were to trigger a leadership contest, which I believe would require

00:56:41.060 81 MPs within the Labour Party to put their support of him forward.

00:56:51.580 It's a bit of an oversight that we've missed a little bit of this out because lots of people

00:56:55.860 think that would be the worst thing ever if he were to become Prime Minister. And so I thought

00:57:00.580 I would present a lot of the information that is publicly available about the man. I have my own

00:57:05.680 theory onto this but i will try not to color it so much as we go along uh because i'll present my

00:57:12.560 my ideas my thoughts on this at the end and you can all follow me along and see what see what

00:57:19.680 conclusion you come to is this man the worst thing that could ever happen to british politics who

00:57:25.840 would then throw open the gates to untold numbers of mass migration that would make the boris wave

00:57:32.600 look like a puddle next to the ocean so some information about him he's uh

00:57:39.200 currently mayor of greater manchester if he were to win his seat as an mp and then take on the

00:57:45.480 leadership contest he would have to step down as being the mayor of greater manchester which is

00:57:49.760 something that keir starmer and a number of other labor party insiders and members have said would

00:57:55.300 have to be the immediate pivot if andy burnham got in the media would have to split its attention

00:58:02.020 between a potential leadership contest which some say would be triggered as soon as this weekend

00:58:07.680 if Keir Starmer refuses to step down with a peaceful handover of power it would have to

00:58:13.220 split the attention between that and a new by-election for the new mayor of Manchester

00:58:18.960 which I am sure that reform and other parties would stand candidates for as well so that would

00:58:24.340 be two circuses going on at the same time because as well as Andy Burnham you would have Morgan

00:58:30.300 McSweeney has said he would not stand to be to be a party leader for Labour but you'd have Andy

00:58:36.980 Burnham you would have um what's his I've forgotten there's Al Cairns who might be running who's a

00:58:43.220 former defense guy Al Cairns who we've looked into a little bit before we came on to the podcast and

00:58:47.940 he seems like a bit of an interesting um potentially Blairite figure now I'm talking about

00:58:53.680 he just stepped down last month um blair right i can't believe i've i'm blanking on his name

00:59:01.060 mean uh west streeting yes yes west streeting there'll be a number of people all standing

00:59:05.700 uh for that so he's currently the mayor of greater manchester he's been a member of the

00:59:10.400 labor party uh since he was 15 years old so that would be he was born in 1970 that would be since

00:59:17.500 about 1985 or so. He has jumped from position to position throughout successive Labour governments.

00:59:26.560 He was part of the New Labour Blairite wave in the late 1990s. He was a member of Labour and

00:59:32.240 Cooperative Party, previous served as Member of Parliament for Lee from 2001 until 2017,

00:59:37.340 so that must have been a very safe seat. During his parliamentary career, he'd held several

00:59:42.840 cabinet positions. Leslie is Secretary of State for Health from 2009 to 2010, which would have

00:59:47.700 been under Brown. He's associated with the soft left of the Labour Party and identifies politically

00:59:53.700 as a socialist. The soft left, of course, being differentiated from the kind of Blairite

00:59:58.900 right of the party, which Keir Starmer has... And from the Corbynist hard left.

01:00:03.560 Yes, yes. The soft left are kind of the gooey centre of the Labour Party. Following the 2010

01:00:10.420 general election. He was a candidate in the 2010 Labour leadership election won by Ed Miliband,

01:00:16.060 coming out fourth of fifth candidates. And to come out fourth of fifth behind Ed Miliband is

01:00:20.400 not something I would put on my CV. From 2010 until 2015, he served as Shadow Education Secretary

01:00:29.560 and Shadow Health Secretary under Miliband. Following the 2015 general election, he contested

01:00:34.360 the resulting Labour leadership election finished second behind Jeremy Corbyn. And until 2016 from

01:00:41.580 then he served as shadow Home Secretary under Corbyn. So he has made a number of leadership

01:00:46.220 bids, all of which have failed until this point, underneath such luminaries of British politics as

01:00:54.040 Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn. Now Jeremy Corbyn at one point might have actually been

01:00:58.600 an insurgent leftist force in british politics but his star has faded quite shockingly since then

01:01:05.600 in 2026 burnham applied to be the labour candidate in the 2026 gorton and denton by election

01:01:11.360 but was blocked by the party because he is very popular within the labour party and again

01:01:18.880 reasons that nobody fully understands it's because it's because he appeals to northerners

01:01:23.480 it's because he is a he's from cheshire same county that i'm from near warrington quite near

01:01:30.840 to where i'm from uh he's mayor of greater manchester and it seems that really in 2017

01:01:35.440 when he became mayor of greater manchester that's when his public image has started to really turn

01:01:41.560 around some would say um in an unwarranted fashion uh because i mean the perceptions of him that i

01:01:50.180 got when i was asking about the public last tuesday was that a lot of people on the ground

01:01:56.880 like andy burnham but they don't really know why yes they just like him but this is the problem

01:02:04.160 when you speak to most of the public and i'm not insulting the public i have great admiration

01:02:08.380 for the average man and woman the problem is that the average man and woman on the street does not

01:02:13.480 have as much time as we do to think deeply about politics and goes off of general feelings or

01:02:18.960 vibes, as they're called. And as such, Andy Burnham's public profile is somebody who is

01:02:25.980 good for Manchester, good for the North, cares about Manchester, cares about the North, and as

01:02:32.200 such is the only real politician in the entire country who is featured in YouGov polls who has

01:02:40.840 a positive score the only one he has with a net score of plus four and even then that is not a

01:02:49.880 great margin but it is quite significantly better than Keir Starmer's which is minus 46 which I'm

01:02:56.220 sure is only going to leap up after his government has announced that they might start culling cute

01:03:01.360 ponies that is a real thing they have announced that they might start culling ponies which I'm

01:03:08.000 sure is going to be a vote winner come 2029 shat gear starmer that was the best meme that yeah

01:03:13.960 that's a better that was the best every every absurd absurd new labor policy needs to come

01:03:21.820 with the chad starmer image attached to it because he does not care it's minus 46 approval rating

01:03:28.720 according kill the ponies yeah that's one of that is is that the worst approval rating that anybody

01:03:34.360 in this country has ever had possibly possibly and he seems to want to top it every single time 0.99

01:03:42.460 he's gonna he's gonna come around your house and personally murder your nan soon just so he can do

01:03:48.780 tank his rating in case you think he's joking under keir starmer labor is reintroducing a 0.93

01:03:55.600 euthanasia bill yes parliament that was seriously one of the worst pieces of legislation that

01:04:01.900 ever thought about and now they want to do it again they keep they're going to keep reintroducing

01:04:06.440 it until it gets through yes that's what that's what they're hoping for they're going to start

01:04:10.300 adjusting little bits of wording here this clause here has been reworded to be more moderate and

01:04:16.360 allow for more exemptions under yada yada yada yada until eventually they just swing it yes

01:04:22.020 because the point of this particular government under starmer and this is why i don't this is why

01:04:28.720 I've not been as much on the train of Starmer's done for this time, guys. Starmer is the political

01:04:35.020 robot. He is the purpose-built bureaucrat who does not care about public approval ratings,

01:04:40.040 who is there to push through an agenda. Euthanasia, as part of the NHS, in the same way

01:04:46.140 that they have made in Canada, is part of that agenda. So they will keep pushing the bill

01:04:51.720 until eventually it passes. It's more profitable to kill your grandmother than give her a pension. 0.98

01:04:56.860 Yes, well, it's a cost-saving expenditure. 0.99

01:05:00.600 That's what it is.

01:05:01.340 That's what it's for.

01:05:02.800 And that is part of what's going on with Starmer.

01:05:07.100 And yeah, so they have been trying to block him from it,

01:05:11.140 again, because he's very popular.

01:05:12.840 But let's carry on with some of his background.

01:05:16.120 Following his election to Parliament,

01:05:17.640 he was a member of the Health Select Committee from 2001 till 2003

01:05:21.320 when he was appointed Parliamentary Private Secretary

01:05:23.600 to the Home Secretary, David Blunkett.

01:05:25.600 following blunkett's first resignation he became pps to the education secretary ruth kelly

01:05:30.940 and in 2003 he voted for the iraq war which he now says that he regrets this is going this is

01:05:40.140 going to become something of a theme he was uh promoted in 2005 to serve the government as

01:05:45.340 parliamentary undersecretary of state with responsibility for implementing the identity

01:05:49.660 cards act of 2006 is the digital id guy yes like like everybody in the current regime in labor he

01:05:58.300 is a digital digital id guy blair will sadly ultimately win out on this in the end if all

01:06:04.580 of these guys are in government because keir starmer wants it where streeting wants it i've

01:06:09.420 not seen ed milliband say that he doesn't want it andy burnham wants it digital ids under government

01:06:14.860 are going to be something that happens especially with this new act to ban social media for under

01:06:21.040 16s an idea in principle which I think is a good idea and for all the people who complain about oh

01:06:27.520 you just need to be a better parent parenting is not just something that exists in your home and

01:06:31.460 your home alone you've got social dynamics to think about when your kids get older they're

01:06:35.940 going to be interacting with other kids that have phones and social media so if they don't have them

01:06:39.800 they'll be ostracized so there's a huge communal aspect to it so that's why I'm actually in support

01:06:44.620 of that but i know that's not actually the reason that they're passing that bill exactly they're

01:06:48.620 passing that bill to further digital ids facial recognition technology expanding the state to be

01:06:54.600 able to sold over to oracle and larry ellison who is in bed with tony forget palantir and palantir

01:07:00.260 as well there are all of these different reasons so it's all it's all part of the you know that

01:07:03.880 whole public private partnership that we're always hearing about uh the private gets a hell of a good

01:07:09.300 deal out of it yes they get a really good deal out of that arrangement yeah and then he was part of

01:07:15.300 uh gordon brown's first cabinet as chief secretary to the treasury i don't think he's i don't think

01:07:20.100 there's a single cabinet position that this man hasn't held at one point or another or like peter

01:07:24.480 mandelson yes very much like peter mandelson and i also don't think there is a particular social or

01:07:29.640 economic or political position that he has not held at one point or another in a reshuffle in

01:07:36.340 2008 he was put in position of secretary of state for culture media and sport in late 2008 he

01:07:43.240 announced government plans to tighten controls on internet content in order to quote unquote even up

01:07:47.920 what he described as an imbalance with tv regulations again more support for government

01:07:53.260 control on the internet as health secretary fan of censorship yes as health secretary he

01:07:58.880 proposed the creation of a national care service which would introduce a publicly funded system of

01:08:04.180 social care free at the point of use along with the along the same lines as the nhs which was

01:08:09.000 shot down when the coalition government in 2010 of lib dems and the conservatives so also in favor

01:08:16.240 of making you a ward of the state even more so than you even more so than you absolutely national

01:08:20.840 insurance tax would absolutely skyrocket if they were to include that as part right of the taxes

01:08:26.100 that come out of your pay packet every month in 2015 he accepted an appointment as shadow home

01:08:31.380 secretary in the first Corbyn shadow cabinet. This was after he said that he would not serve

01:08:35.620 in the Corbyn shadow cabinet because Corbyn was against NATO and he is very in favor of NATO.

01:08:41.400 He opposed the prevent counter-terrorism strategy appearing in 2016 alongside the

01:08:46.940 anti-prevent organization MEND, which stands for Muslim Engagement and Development. He said

01:08:52.380 the prevent duty- Muslim Brotherhood, guys. It sounds like it. I'm not entirely sure, 1.00

01:08:57.240 but I wouldn't be shocked. I think meant, I'm not 100% sure, but okay, fine. Yes, he said,

01:09:04.040 the prevent duty to report extremist behavior is today's equivalent of internment in Northern

01:09:08.760 Ireland. It's also worth noting that he was mayor of Greater Manchester during the 2017

01:09:15.780 Manchester Arena bombings. He was the guy who was organizing all of those large vigils and

01:09:22.200 communal events, which is where the whole don't look back and anger thing came from.

01:09:26.000 And his public statement, he said that you should not blame the whole of the Muslim community.

01:09:33.540 This was just one guy acting out with no greater motivation, yada, yada, yada.

01:09:38.140 So he's that kind of guy as well.

01:09:40.100 So I'm glad that Manchester was unified under this man. 0.98

01:09:43.620 In 2026, he said that people need to stop arguing about transgender rights

01:09:48.920 and have a live and let live approach while simultaneously retracting his prior support

01:09:54.320 for trans people being allowed to use single-sex facilities,

01:09:58.240 instead voicing support for the regulations

01:09:59.940 enacted by the Equality and Human Rights Commission

01:10:01.860 in the wake of four women Scotland versus the Scottish ministers. 0.98

01:10:06.420 Which means that they can't use these...

01:10:08.440 Again, he seems...

01:10:09.940 He's pro-transgender, he's anti-transgender, 0.55

01:10:12.060 he's pro-everything and anti-everything, 1.00

01:10:13.980 whatever he is told at the time, he is for it.

01:10:16.160 Whichever way the winds of political change are blowing,

01:10:18.940 he will blow with them.

01:10:20.220 But if there's something consistent,

01:10:21.460 is it's that he sides with the oligarchs that want to impose digital ID and gain total control via

01:10:29.320 it seems that kind of censorship control infrastructure and interestingly on that

01:10:34.220 you might be wondering about his views on migration and mass migration well in 2016 as

01:10:38.660 shadow home secretary remember this is under Corbyn who was a full open borders kind of guy

01:10:44.260 he opposed migration caps because of course why wouldn't he yes he also opposed a bill requiring

01:10:50.060 landlords to conduct immigration checks for illegal immigrants. Because again, under Corbyn,

01:10:55.220 he probably said that he didn't even support landlords in the first place, so why would he

01:10:59.080 support them having any kind of rights to the kind of people who they're housing as tenants?

01:11:03.480 But it was reported in May 2026 that Burnham supports Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood's

01:11:09.500 efforts to limit legal and illegal migration. What difference 10 years makes? The same month,

01:11:15.600 He stood back from past calls to scrap the no recourse to public funds rule,

01:11:21.560 which prevents immigrants from getting access to benefits or public housing

01:11:25.480 before being granted settled status.

01:11:28.600 So he formally said they should be able to get anything that they want.

01:11:34.160 And now, probably because of the fact that the constituency

01:11:37.900 that he is currently standing for voted 66% leave during Brexit,

01:11:43.220 it he has become far more hard line on immigration in line with the rest of the labor establishment

01:11:49.600 as it currently stands with shabana mahoud as home secretary yes so again this man does not seem to

01:11:56.300 have a a solid bone in his body he is made of jelly and will morph to fit any shape that he

01:12:05.300 needs at any time deeply reptilian about him yes especially like the way his face is morphed as

01:12:11.260 well over the years but that's a different matter altogether. As mayor of Greater Manchester you

01:12:16.040 might be wondering about his track record. Again his track record seems to be people are very

01:12:21.260 positive on him although there was the biggest controversy regarding him outside of of course

01:12:27.260 the fact that he was very very soft in the response to the Manchester Arena bombings

01:12:32.300 although I will say that he did support a number of inquiries into child sexual exploitation

01:12:39.500 scandals that had gone on in Rochdale and other areas of Manchester, although Connor has spoken

01:12:44.240 about this, and obviously from a man like Burnham it was containment. But other than that, the

01:12:49.640 biggest controversy was the fact that he spent £104 million trying to produce a clean air zone

01:12:57.780 in Manchester, which I remember dreading when all of the signs started popping up and I was like,

01:13:02.920 well, I probably just won't go to Manchester anymore then. That then got scrapped because

01:13:08.060 public opinion started to tank on it.

01:13:12.420 There was a public outcry in 2022 which ditched it

01:13:17.040 because one of the schemes, and I remember this being

01:13:19.560 a huge, massive pain for everybody at the time,

01:13:23.040 everybody's worried about it and everybody hated

01:13:24.680 the idea of it, to charge drivers of polluting vehicles

01:13:28.220 up to £60 a day. 0.99

01:13:31.520 What a lunatic. 1.00

01:13:32.480 That was just a ridiculous... I mean, you want to... 1.00

01:13:34.780 He says he wants to re-industrialise the North,

01:13:36.840 he wants to bring business. Re-industrialize without cars? Apparently so. Doing such a thing

01:13:42.880 would just like completely drive most people out of Manchester. You can't re-industrialize and you

01:13:48.520 can't have a good commercial sector in a city that's trying to present itself as the northern

01:13:52.960 rival to London, the northern mirror to London, without people being able to drive into the city.

01:13:59.380 He told the BBC Radio Manchester though that Kasia wasn't wasted and helped the region to

01:14:06.040 get through a difficult debate to the point that we do not need a charging clean air zone

01:14:10.340 and said a lot of the funds were instead reallocated to um making some buses electric

01:14:16.180 rather than petrol so there were buses they threw them out they bought new ones that's not wasted

01:14:22.240 money apparently not okay well the money was already there so you just like that's how the

01:14:26.620 government works right yeah magic money you spend it um the network of more than 450 cameras

01:14:32.980 fitted with automatic number plate recognition technology

01:14:35.520 have now been reallocated to be used by Greater Manchester Police.

01:14:39.860 So that might help in some cases.

01:14:43.160 And he also said that the Clean Air Zone signs,

01:14:45.400 of which more than 1,300 were put up,

01:14:48.340 and signs are actually quite expensive to produce,

01:14:51.440 so that was a hefty chunk of that money,

01:14:53.860 could be repurposed for use by local councils

01:14:57.480 and to advertise park and ride services,

01:15:00.300 which we already had signs for.

01:15:02.980 So just a complete waste of money.

01:15:05.240 What an absolute failure.

01:15:07.140 But again, he is still very popular.

01:15:09.560 He's written a manifesto with the mayor of Liverpool

01:15:13.980 talking about how the North needs to level up,

01:15:18.260 which seems to be quite popular.

01:15:20.640 And he has been trying to mitigate

01:15:23.740 some of his pro-European Union stances

01:15:27.100 that he has had in the past.

01:15:29.180 Wasn't he calling for rejoining?

01:15:31.080 i think at certain points in his career no longer though because of course his constituents would

01:15:36.860 not like that uh he has said that labor has not been good enough and pledges not to rerun brexit

01:15:43.060 arguments this is something that has come out in the past month or two because kirk starmer has

01:15:47.780 found a way to rejoin without formally rejoining by having complete alignment yeah i mean he

01:15:52.220 burnham has said he told him that there is a case for rejoining the re-european union but that he

01:15:57.560 wasn't advocating it and again given this man um has no standing opinions on anything really

01:16:06.300 who knows how well you can rely on that particular statement until we get to like he'll probably

01:16:11.560 he's a politician right so he'll change his mind the second he gets voted in if he gets voted in

01:16:17.060 in the past year he's gone further last year he told the guardian i'm going to be honest

01:16:20.900 i'm going to say i want to rejoin i hope in my lifetime i see this country rejoining the

01:16:25.400 european union today that would have been last may i'm sorry this may burnham said the last thing we

01:16:31.020 should do is rerun those arguments and how he's not interested in it at all so he seems given

01:16:36.240 the way he changes his views depending on who he's speaking to and he changed he's he did the

01:16:41.880 hundred million pounds scrapping of that one thing because of public outcry he he seems unlike

01:16:48.120 keir starmer to be very susceptible to changing public attitudes he seems desperate absolutely

01:16:57.180 desperate for people to like him i mean keir starmer did have the view that some women have 0.96

01:17:01.960 penises but then he changed his mind about that so you know yeah the keir starmer they're both 0.98

01:17:07.440 very malleable on some things very committed to very rigid on some things yes um but also again

01:17:14.680 if anything, I'd say that Burnham has less of an, in fact, much less, much less of an evil

01:17:21.800 background than Keir Starmer does. Keir Starmer, you can look back at my video, The Evil History

01:17:27.040 of Keir Starmer, for all of the evidence there, because his time in CPS as a human rights lawyer 1.00

01:17:34.300 ensuring that quote-unquote refugees can get into the country and get all of the benefits that they

01:17:39.940 and as well becoming known as the guy to go to if you are an Islamic dissident who wants to come

01:17:48.020 into the country. He was the guy who became known as the one that you go to if you want to have your

01:17:53.480 case heard and get into the country. Keir Starmer's known as that guy. Burnham doesn't seem to,

01:17:58.040 outside of voting for Iraq, Burnham doesn't seem to have that kind of same political notoriety

01:18:03.460 behind him he's just he's just a labor party creature yes is what he is ultimately uh keir

01:18:10.540 starmer has tried to mitigate the um danger of burnham coming in by saying that uh uh oh it's

01:18:19.100 it's it's in this article uh somewhere but he says that um keir starmer has said that he would

01:18:25.060 basically just give andy burnham a cabinet job and burnham where have we heard this before has

01:18:32.860 said he absolutely wouldn't and in fact has supposedly been making moves behind the scenes

01:18:38.800 to try to get Starmer to accept that if he gets in through Makerfield that he would

01:18:46.520 give over a peaceful handover of power. Otherwise it would trigger the election,

01:18:54.820 the leadership contest over the weekend and cause a whole heap of trouble for Labour.

01:18:58.860 a lot of Labour insiders are supporting Burnham on this but also a lot of Labour insiders

01:19:03.860 including Tony Blair who wrote an open letter to the party have said can we not keep doing this

01:19:09.900 the Tories kind of destroyed themselves in multiple leadership contests over and over again

01:19:16.040 over the past five years which is why that nobody trusts the Tories anymore can we not do this to

01:19:21.420 ourselves so he says that he has at least 80 people backing him whereas Streeting says that

01:19:27.500 he has about 80 to 81 people backing him as well so supposedly there are enough people within the

01:19:34.040 party who would back them to trigger this leadership contest but whether or not that

01:19:37.920 would actually just cause chaos and lead to the downfall of the Labour Party is is yet to be seen

01:19:44.220 and in fact Burnham has supposedly had to tell a lot of ministers to delay resignations because

01:19:51.720 he's beginning to see that oh crap i could it looks chaotic i could just implode the party

01:19:57.860 by accident with all of this so apparently ministers in the party are looking to resign

01:20:03.680 from their positions already before the election is even done today yeah which would be and they're

01:20:09.400 all assuming that he wins this which is which is not guaranteed this is all off the back that he

01:20:14.700 is guaranteed the place because labor and burnham in particular seems to believe that more greater

01:20:19.580 Manchester is just a shoo-in, I have earned this position, which is not the case at all.

01:20:26.080 And the only other thing is that whoever becomes the next Labour leader is already facing pressure

01:20:33.640 from the union bosses who are heavily affiliated with the party, this one being Unison, the largest

01:20:41.040 union in the country.

01:20:42.660 Do you think that unions understand how wages work and how supply and demand for jobs work?

01:20:49.580 You would think so.

01:20:50.700 I mean, a unionized job means that there's a union that keeps out competition in order to maintain higher wages. 1.00

01:20:58.940 But the unions in Britain want to import infinity migrants. 1.00

01:21:03.580 That's clever. 1.00

01:21:04.300 The current general secretary of Unison is a woman called Andrea Egan.

01:21:08.720 Yes, she has red hair.

01:21:10.320 Yes, you can Google her.

01:21:11.640 Yes, she looks exactly how you would expect.

01:21:13.500 and she has decided that the actual role of a labor union is to protect migrants and quote-unquote

01:21:21.140 protect our most basic values which are giving free things to migrants i can only assume

01:21:26.440 so the unions are already pushing for um to abandon as it says in this headline the migrant 0.67

01:21:34.140 crackdown now again i wish there was a migrant crackdown one of the benefits of keir starmer

01:21:39.680 and shabana mahoud and other members of his cabinet being robots who have no care for public

01:21:46.180 or private opinion is that they can give apply as much pressure as they want chad starmer is

01:21:52.080 just going to say no yeah andy burnham though it's spineless formless yes has no standing

01:22:00.680 positions other than digital id and has no spine and therefore might give in but also he might not

01:22:09.660 who knows yeah frankly looking into this guy i don't really know what he believes he is just

01:22:17.000 a political he doesn't know what he believes yeah he seems to be a political party creature

01:22:21.620 who will change his views on a whim so what i have learned from this is that unlike keir starmer who

01:22:28.160 in his background as a human rights lawyer was a genuine like evil monster um andy burnham is it

01:22:36.120 turns out, a politician. Or accidentally evil than deliberately so by being spineless and 0.75

01:22:43.700 wedded to the same ideology. Maybe in private he's... That actually makes him worse. Yes. So there is

01:22:50.180 danger to Andy Burnham, but also I don't know how certain I can be on that, because he might just

01:22:56.920 get in and there will already be a party line put in place by the Labour Party. He might just go

01:23:04.020 along with it, he might tear all the rules up. So this whole firestorm around Andy Burnham being

01:23:10.460 the greatest danger to British politics, maybe? I don't know. I think the worst thing that he could

01:23:19.000 do is to sort of introduce proportional representation. That is one of the things

01:23:24.200 that he said that he supports. I think the worst thing that he could do is introduce proportional

01:23:28.180 representation because what that does is ensure that there is no democratic way out.

01:23:34.020 yes because the first past the post system for all of its flaws does allow a genuine change in

01:23:40.520 government whereas proportional representation which is what you have in most of europe

01:23:44.640 it simply creates total paralysis it's there to set up the firewall that's what it is whereas

01:23:51.420 again first past the post has problems but does allow for a political change

01:23:55.060 when combined with parliamentary sovereignty that's why i'm optimistic about britain because

01:24:00.540 of these two things it means that if restore were to get a majority in government they could do what

01:24:07.060 the boris johnson government should have done which is just have a have have a spree of passing

01:24:13.340 legislation that's favorable to us and basically reverse engineer the blairite revolution overnight

01:24:19.440 that is as long as you've got people who've already prepared all of the policy papers

01:24:23.700 and made sure everything is in order you could reform and just revolutionize the british

01:24:29.300 a bureaucratic state overnight, essentially.

01:24:34.560 But yeah, Burnham has said that he's in favour

01:24:36.520 of proportional representation,

01:24:38.480 whether he would be able to get anything passed through for that,

01:24:40.680 who knows.

01:24:41.960 And he has also said that he would be in favour

01:24:43.920 of abolishing the House of Lords

01:24:45.720 and giving an elected Senate instead.

01:24:50.000 Why?

01:24:52.060 Like, why?

01:24:54.140 Because I would presume what ideology he does hold

01:24:57.700 is a kind of post-French Revolution ideology

01:25:00.840 which sees the House of Lords as being outmoded, outdated.

01:25:04.020 Why would you have...

01:25:04.820 Fragment of monarchy, which doesn't need to exist anymore,

01:25:08.880 whereas a form of American proportional representation

01:25:12.140 and republicanism must be the way forward, 1.00

01:25:14.320 but it's stupid. 1.00

01:25:16.180 It's stupid. 1.00

01:25:18.240 But yeah, Andy Burnham is a man 1.00

01:25:20.380 who I cannot quite get a handle on,

01:25:23.060 and I do think that some of the hysterical reactions to him

01:25:25.580 are overblown,

01:25:26.500 but also there is the potential for real danger with him, I suppose.

01:25:31.000 But yeah, let's go through some of the rumble rants.

01:25:32.960 We've had some very generous ones, quite a few ones.

01:25:36.320 Busted Brian, a cop was creating false evidence with AI in Derbyshire

01:25:40.660 and has been neither fired nor suspended,

01:25:43.160 merely removed from frontline duty.

01:25:44.800 Restoring any patriot should account for any possibility.

01:25:48.200 Absolutely, that's true and it's terrible that that happened.

01:25:51.020 This is the kind of reason that friends of mine have quit the force

01:25:53.460 because people just get away with the most revolting things.

01:25:56.480 Sigil Stone, I'm not saying that Andy Burnham

01:25:58.360 and Rachel Maddow are the same person,

01:25:59.900 but have you ever seen them in the same room together?

01:26:02.260 Great question.

01:26:03.940 Maybe that's why he's suddenly turned on the trans question.

01:26:07.140 Skip that one from that's a random name.

01:26:09.220 Go to the...

01:26:10.520 Random name.

01:26:11.780 Oh, Harry, we're all aware of how much admiration

01:26:14.020 you have for the average man,

01:26:15.440 especially after that haircut.

01:26:18.280 I don't really know what that means.

01:26:20.280 That's not the one that I told you to skip,

01:26:21.680 and thank you for skipping that one.

01:26:23.420 Engage few.

01:26:24.040 Everybody needs to get off Harry's back about the haircut.

01:26:26.400 He's allowed to set a good grooming standard for his children.

01:26:29.960 Hey, I think the haircut looks all right, to be honest, yeah.

01:26:33.600 My daughter did not have the reaction that I was expecting, 0.72

01:26:36.340 you know, when men shave their beards and they start crying.

01:26:38.980 My daughter was just like, oh, hey, Dad.

01:26:41.840 Except more toddler-ish, obviously.

01:26:43.580 Fair enough.

01:26:46.380 Random name, I don't understand the inferences that you're making, 0.94

01:26:49.280 unless it's just some kind of general gay joke that you're making. 1.00

01:26:54.040 At which point, ha-dee-ha-ha. 1.00

01:26:57.100 Very well done. 1.00

01:26:58.480 Habsification, burning, having a Northern English accent 0.56

01:27:00.720 comes with a whole bunch of connotations and associations

01:27:02.600 with being down-to-earth and honest culturally,

01:27:04.620 which is a holdover from 20th century politics.

01:27:07.360 This is true.

01:27:08.620 Sigil Stone, reject rejoining the EU, join the US instead.

01:27:11.860 Statehood applications always open.

01:27:13.620 No, we do not want to be the 51st state.

01:27:15.920 Thank you very much.

01:27:17.100 I like being-

01:27:17.720 What if they accepted becoming part of the United Kingdom

01:27:20.980 and that kind of trade-off was made?

01:27:23.780 that's always an offer

01:27:24.820 that's always an offer

01:27:26.520 that could be done

01:27:27.440 yeah

01:27:27.800 hapsification

01:27:28.240 being a northern lefty

01:27:29.360 is all he has to do

01:27:30.480 to appear genuine

01:27:31.380 compared to the concept

01:27:32.600 of the evil

01:27:33.320 conceited scheming 0.80

01:27:34.340 two-faced southern English

01:27:35.740 when in reality 0.92

01:27:36.420 he's another labour creature

01:27:37.620 absolutely 0.99

01:27:38.500 especially the part

01:27:39.600 about the southern English 0.97

01:27:40.500 being two-faced and evil

01:27:41.880 random name

01:27:44.600 probably shouldn't do

01:27:47.340 that one either

01:27:48.100 busted Brian

01:27:49.920 thank you for all the support

01:27:51.220 that you bring in

01:27:52.080 uh random name busted brian firaz's face during the bit about the union demanding an end to

01:27:57.460 immigration character down was brilliant the man is a thousand percent done get yourself your

01:28:01.820 preferred beverage on me good fellow and that was ten dollars thank you very much so that'd be

01:28:07.480 absinthe right i don't think i've ever had absinthe have you not had absinthe i've never had

01:28:13.060 you only needed a little bit of it okay i'll say that okay one day i'm sure have we got the

01:28:20.820 Well, surely you've been to, like, European supermarkets, surely?

01:28:25.760 Yes.

01:28:26.260 Where they'll just sell it on the shelves with it just saying the percentage.

01:28:30.680 They've never bought absinthe.

01:28:31.740 Oh, come on, live a little.

01:28:33.860 Okay.

01:28:35.020 Anyway.

01:28:36.960 Moving on.

01:28:45.460 Ah, these things are beautiful.

01:28:47.260 Yeah.

01:28:50.820 now that's england that's england right there

01:29:11.220 next one please

01:29:15.960 hey lotus eater i have a question for y'all

01:29:20.260 You know what has a budget over 200% if you count everyone in it?

01:29:25.120 It has no money at all?

01:29:28.080 Why? It's California.

01:29:30.500 That's what it is.

01:29:32.400 So, yeah, I be grilling now.

01:29:35.820 Like the normie I am, I grill.

01:29:39.880 Enjoy.

01:29:41.980 All right, hop off on another election.

01:29:44.400 Bye.

01:29:45.640 That's crazy, bro.

01:29:47.060 Catch the game last night?

01:29:48.040 look guys there is clearly an element of truth to this story and that someone's back door was

01:29:54.660 almost certainly on fire after two attractive young ukrainian men visited kia

01:29:59.440 it still wears me out seeing your face binary i'm sorry but you are probably right

01:30:06.740 mecca monday but it's wednesday given the success of indie movies made by youtubers like iron long

01:30:15.660 in the back rooms i wouldn't be surprised if companies started making their totally real

01:30:20.640 youtubers and using them as front men for their crappy products or these big companies start

01:30:26.200 trying to take the indies to court to make the legal process some punishment for daring to outshine

01:30:30.760 the master now i've not watched back rooms or obsession i know they were supposedly made by

01:30:37.720 youtubers i did watch iron lung and really enjoyed it as a result of the success of that

01:30:43.260 jacksepticeye is now attached to a bloodborne movie i really love the game bloodborne

01:30:50.020 markiplier whatever i don't really know much about his politics seems like a genuinely

01:30:56.080 inventive and creative kind of guy so that's why ian lung turned out well jacksepticeye bloodborne

01:31:01.940 by jacksepticeye i'm much less enthusiastic and hopeful about i'll be honest was that chinese

01:31:10.000 bloodborne no was the language you were speaking just now uh never mind close enough never mind

01:31:16.800 it was to me in the second world war my grandparents took two boys evacuated from the

01:31:22.580 london area heartbreakingly a tragic road accident killed one of them despite that the other child

01:31:27.700 developed a deep bond with my grandparents and eventually moved to devon where he lived out his

01:31:31.480 days and i knew him as uncle laurie i saw auntie rita his wife at my grandmother's 100th birthday

01:31:37.080 last year. My grandmother was reading

01:31:39.220 Terence Frisbee's memoir of being a

01:31:41.040 vaccy, kisses on a postcard,

01:31:43.000 and I asked if I could read it. Much of

01:31:45.220 Mr. Frisbee's memories of being downed in

01:31:47.100 Cornwall ring true with my family's experiences,

01:31:49.820 even if there is more than a whiff

01:31:51.160 of invention with some of the characters and tales.

01:31:54.360 Hmm.

01:31:56.060 It's still lovely to get

01:31:57.300 old memoirs from back in the day like that.

01:31:59.400 It reminds you what we're aiming

01:32:01.080 to get back to.

01:32:05.180 Is that? Oh, God.

01:32:07.080 Uhhhhhhhhh

01:32:11.080 A socialist written has caused a fatal error in this to restore to a prison, okay

01:32:19.080 I'm gonna soy! I'm gonna soy!

01:32:35.080 Windows 98 goes.

01:32:42.720 I do miss the old interface, man.

01:32:45.620 That is a good ad, actually.

01:32:47.740 That is good.

01:32:49.860 We just got two more Rumble rants,

01:32:51.700 and then let's just go through a couple of the website comments.

01:32:54.040 We're running over a little bit, but that's fine.

01:32:55.860 Sigilstone, we won't accept joining the UK.

01:32:57.680 We don't like Charles.

01:32:58.600 We don't either.

01:32:59.980 You can be 52nd state after Greenland. 0.93

01:33:01.800 We have the Second Amendment.

01:33:02.920 I will admit

01:33:03.960 Second Amendment's fun

01:33:06.680 It's fun

01:33:08.140 You've not risen up against your government

01:33:09.660 But going out into the woods and chugging some beers

01:33:12.040 And shooting some guns, that's fun

01:33:13.280 And Tiffinall says it's a Ron Weasley haircut

01:33:15.900 Be honest with me guys

01:33:17.260 I could have any haircut

01:33:19.160 I could shave my head and you would say

01:33:21.580 That it's something to do with the Weasleys

01:33:23.320 So this is just bad faith at this point, frankly

01:33:25.880 Alright

01:33:28.200 I will go through

01:33:29.920 Some of the comments 0.92

01:33:31.960 Harry has a lesbian haircut 0.94

01:33:34.680 thank you very much 0.93

01:33:36.720 I've seen reform guys

01:33:38.480 say that the people of Makerfield should vote

01:33:40.520 for them because in the wake of their stunning

01:33:42.400 victory Keir Starmer will be forced to

01:33:44.420 call a general election

01:33:45.580 absolute lunacy

01:33:47.740 why? I've been hearing

01:33:49.840 this kind of stuff since

01:33:52.520 Starmer got in as soon as

01:33:54.500 Southport was done and Keir Starmer

01:33:56.180 was still Prime Minister I went

01:33:57.900 oh okay he's just

01:34:00.520 stick around then. Okay. Even if a leadership contest is put forward in Labour, I wouldn't

01:34:08.700 be surprised if people just stick with him for the sake of consistency and not wanting to repeat

01:34:13.480 what the Tories did. Then Scotty, by the standards of the Daily Mail, there's an ethnic cleansing of

01:34:18.760 every country at the end of tourist season because everyone's going home. Also, if the tourists 0.80

01:34:23.900 refuse to go home, they're forced to leave. Why is nobody talking about these yearly genocides?

01:34:29.700 truly a tragedy let's go through some of yours yeah sure uh then scotty says independent fact

01:34:37.820 checker yeah you're lying next argument please yep good summary good summary uh 0.99

01:34:44.260 you can't say every muslim is a rapist but you can say every white brit is a neo-nazi islamophobic 0.99

01:34:52.260 transphobic racist why is that yeah fine fine uh jimbo g says today had two oh i heard about 1.00

01:35:03.540 this story this this one's horrifying definitely executions uh arizona desert rat i didn't realize 0.96

01:35:11.420 that muhammad was that old when he married his wife yeah he was 54 yeah i didn't know that either

01:35:16.360 I assumed he was in his 30s 1.00

01:35:18.060 which would have already been bad

01:35:19.340 and she was 9

01:35:20.680 alright I'll go through

01:35:24.540 some more of mine on Andy Burnham

01:35:26.120 the assisted dying bill is worse than you realize

01:35:28.900 they're talking about putting it back in

01:35:30.460 unchanged

01:35:30.960 so under the Parliament Act if it gets through the Commons again

01:35:34.500 the Lords won't be able to block it a second time

01:35:36.920 they can literally ram it through without changing a word

01:35:39.200 if Starmer enforces the whip

01:35:41.060 oh fantastic

01:35:41.780 that's worse than what I predicted

01:35:43.840 i predicted that at least try and give one or two the whole purpose is to make it to give it

01:35:50.100 the possibility of infinite expansion so that anybody can be killed for any reason yes you

01:35:55.260 keep getting cold okay you might be better off dead lord inquisitor hector rex harry did you see 0.91

01:36:02.080 a guy spent just under one million quid to make his house a plus energy rated to prove how ludicrous

01:36:07.400 net zero is no but i might have to look into that because that sounds like a good daily video

01:36:11.880 and

01:36:13.040 one more

01:36:16.200 so

01:36:17.080 Geordie Sozman

01:36:18.360 Sir the public are getting Larry about the social media ban

01:36:21.320 kill the ponies

01:36:22.400 yep 1.00

01:36:25.080 that is the Starmer method to success

01:36:27.800 I look forward to once he's finished being Prime Minister

01:36:29.900 him writing a book on secrets to success

01:36:32.140 his version of Art of the Deal

01:36:33.760 because that will be

01:36:35.460 that's going to be my

01:36:36.720 that's going to be my guidebook for life

01:36:39.260 from then on

01:36:40.060 anyway thanks very much for joining us again today folks let's see what the makerfield results are

01:36:46.180 like and we'll find out what they are and report on them tomorrow till then have a great day we'll

01:36:50.980 see you again bye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 18, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1443

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