The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1476

00:00:00.000 Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Seaters. Today is Tuesday the 4th of August

00:00:05.380 2026 and this is podcast number 1476. I'm pleased to be joined today by Dan, Harry and

00:00:14.980 Byron Shepard, also known as Morning Shot, who flew from South Africa to warn us. So

00:00:21.760 definitely pay attention. Right, so we are going to discuss whether a deal can be made to unite the

00:00:28.220 Right. Canada's new founding myth. I like myths.

00:00:32.240 You won't like this one.

00:00:33.080 I don't want to like this one.

00:00:34.160 You won't like this one, but it will be illegal for you to not like it.

00:00:37.420 Okay, so I do like it, but for legal purposes.

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00:00:41.020 I absolutely love it. Right.

00:00:42.520 So, and the last thing that we're going to discuss is whether the West can survive South Africanization.

00:00:51.500 Perfect.

00:00:53.600 Spoiler alert, I can't, but we'll see.

00:00:56.080 okay well but the point is why okay right so should we go on to the first segment uh yes so

00:01:03.160 let's talk about uniting the right following up on that uh quickly before i start do remember to

00:01:08.060 buy islander because otherwise it will run out and then you will not be able to buy it and you

00:01:11.640 will be sad but it's also a token of gratitude it's also a symbol of peace yes for the right

00:01:17.280 to unite people have to buy islander yes only 14.99 unite the right buy islander number six

00:01:24.840 or you're gay yes and also a puppy will die or something whatever anyway so you do that um so

00:01:30.760 yeah we're talking about uniting the right now just as a reminder after the makerfield by-election

00:01:36.680 um nigel farage uh said this

00:01:40.800 but i would say this there's a couple of thousand voters there who would normally have gone out and

00:01:48.260 voted reform that voted restore and i would say directly to them what do you want we are

00:01:53.800 So there you go. He asks, what do you want? Perfectly straightforward question.

00:01:59.860 And Rupert Lowe has now come back with an answer. So we covered this on the show yesterday,

00:02:06.040 but, you know, Rupert sat down and said, well, here are five things that we want.

00:02:11.080 And it's basically this trade offer. We will receive actual right wing policies and you can

00:02:16.980 become prime minister, which is a reasonably good deal, actually. There was a lot of confusion on

00:02:21.880 there's a lot of people seem to think especially reform support uh reform supporters yeah they

00:02:26.000 were sort of saying oh rupert's just doing this because he wants to be chancellor or you know the

00:02:31.020 people in restore realize that they can't get a ministerial job there wasn't actually any of that

00:02:36.340 in there he didn't say i want a position or position for any of my guys it was none of that

00:02:42.180 it was simply here are five right-wing policy positions adopt them and you can have our support

00:02:47.960 perfectly straightforward deal um so yeah we we covered that yesterday on the podcast so i i won't

00:02:54.280 cover the basics of it or anything i just wanted to get into whether there's actually a deal to be

00:02:58.120 done and it's something we've been talking about for a while actually because you know the

00:03:01.700 mathematics standards they were i mean i quickly i quickly you know actually before we say that i

00:03:05.980 should also mention there is a bit of bad blood just a little bit um so i mean even in these

00:03:15.540 discussions that they're having so far i mean obviously reform supporting twitter absolutely

00:03:20.700 blew up about this um they act acted like sort of jilted girlfriends ex-girlfriends it was a lot of

00:03:29.460 you know if if you want us to help if you want to help us win why don't you just commit suicide

00:03:35.580 and disband your party or come or come with a begging bowl back to us um that's not really

00:03:42.180 what's being proposed um and and Nigel said this there was a little bit of dirt thrown by Farage

00:03:49.100 today but he he did specifically raise the prospect of an apology Rupert an apology from you

00:03:56.300 to him watch this I mean there is this myth there is this myth that I fell out with Rupert Lowe it's

00:04:03.480 not true everyone fell out with Rupert Lowe I mean and it was the it was the screaming the

00:04:11.420 shouting the threatening the legal writs everyone fell out with him all right but look so anyway

00:04:17.380 take that as you will uh the veracity of um 68 year old Rupert Lowe going around verbally abusing

00:04:26.220 people whatever um well I guess is it Rupert Lowe abusing people or is it that he didn't um

00:04:32.960 investigate the remark made by a woman working in his office that someone else other than Rupert

00:04:41.060 low in his office was missing well that that was actually the formal complaint but it's it's morphed

00:04:46.520 a bit into into this so we can't deny there isn't any bad blood but nevertheless uh rupert has come

00:04:52.900 out with a with a with a sort of policy position that could get them to work together um and

00:04:57.920 actually to his credit i will say that zaya yusuf has been actually quite practical on this i will

00:05:02.800 give him that i'll just play a little bit of this now that's fair would you be comfortable though

00:05:07.720 with Rupert Lowe back around.

00:05:09.160 Listen, I got into politics.

00:05:11.120 I got into politics.

00:05:12.680 What matters is not my level of comfort.

00:05:14.780 What matters is what's in the interest of the country,

00:05:17.580 what is in the interest of the millions,

00:05:19.380 tens of millions of people in this country

00:05:20.900 who can see the Britain we grew up in,

00:05:22.840 the Britain we love,

00:05:24.040 slipping away from us very, very quickly.

00:05:26.300 That's what I'm...

00:05:27.180 Anyways, I mean,

00:05:27.900 that I would say is the right attitude.

00:05:32.020 Regardless of how much bad blood there's been,

00:05:34.460 and there's been a lot of it,

00:05:36.100 whenever sort of two people who are relatively close uh fall out uh i think the right attitude

00:05:41.540 is we have to look at it as to say okay is there a deal to be done which is the sort of thing i

00:05:46.320 wanted to talk about today uh very quickly why is why is it this is something that should happen

00:05:52.220 um here's some actual election results i mean this is a this is in a labor heartland this is

00:05:57.600 in the north so labor are stronger than the rest of the country here and the conservatives are

00:06:02.940 weaker than the rest of the country here but on actual results you know the store they're getting

00:06:08.180 nine percent in the manchester mayoral election there another manchester election there a store

00:06:16.400 getting seven percent now in both these cases if you added the restore vote to the reform vote i

00:06:24.800 mean it still wouldn't have beat labour but this is a labour heartland but but nevertheless when

00:06:29.300 you look at it across the country as a whole following the polls a trend is very clear

00:06:35.900 restore uh started the year in the 30s and that has a reform reform yes reform started in the

00:06:44.220 in the 30s uh it was a bit higher just before this and that has just dwindled throughout the

00:06:50.220 year it's just it's just steadily come down i mean it's there's a lot of momentum because

00:06:56.480 go from let's say 30 plus to 24 it's it's not strong something going on there has been a bit

00:07:02.920 of a burn and bounce um so i mean you know your labor you know under starmer he obviously wasn't

00:07:10.680 a particularly popular man uh with anyone including within the labor party uh but there

00:07:15.940 has been a burn and bounce and i do expect that to drop off a bit but the point is also the extra

00:07:20.360 problem Dan that the Greens are losing momentum and Labour is gaining the momentum lost by the

00:07:26.620 Greens yes they become a more formidable opponent yeah I mean you're absolutely right Greens um you

00:07:32.800 know had been sort of ticking along in the high teens and now they're in the low teens something

00:07:36.840 I've remarked on here as well is there is a slow yet steady ticking up of the Conservatives again

00:07:44.480 Yeah, so let's look at that. So 16, 17, around about there. It has come up a bit, yeah, to 20%.

00:07:54.680 Isn't it funny that around the time you get the burn and bump and Labour go back, not only in being the driver's seat, but having some actual momentum there,

00:08:02.400 historic opposition of the Conservatives are also getting a little bit of a tiny bump as well.

00:08:08.680 are you looking forward to your exciting choice of Labour versus Conservatives in 2029 Dan yes

00:08:15.800 not 100% ideal um and and and quickly before I open I mean I'll just say that I mean the reason

00:08:21.940 why this is a real issue to potentially reunite the right is because if you look at you know

00:08:28.540 Labour Greens and Lib Dems I mean I know I know the Conservatives are really a left-wing party

00:08:32.380 they're the party of mass immigration they gave us the largest wave of immigration this country

00:08:36.300 has ever seen but they're coded as a right-wing party so I suppose there's not going to be any

00:08:41.400 tactical voting there but there will be tactical voting on left-leaning people with the Greens the

00:08:48.140 Lib Dems and Labour if fully expect to see in the Guardian newspaper in the Mirror newspaper just

00:08:52.880 before the next election them to publish a list of seats where if you live in this seat you should

00:08:57.860 vote for Lib Dem or Green or Labour or whatever it is the lefties do this very naturally so even

00:09:04.560 if we do go into the next election with exactly this, reform on 24, Labour on 23, Labour will

00:09:12.260 probably win that because of the tactical voting that comes very, very naturally to the left that

00:09:17.240 doesn't come naturally to the right. Now, I've given a couple of real world examples here of

00:09:22.100 where a store on, you know, nine to seven percent, this polling's got them at three, which I think is

00:09:28.580 understating it because most of these polls still aren't prompting for reform Britain. But even if

00:09:32.460 it's three percent it's three percent that will make the difference so i mean that is that is that

00:09:37.720 is very true uh and so when you're looking at westminster voting intentions look you can see

00:09:42.060 i mean this one is is probably peak burn and bounce at 26 but it is very punishing you know

00:09:48.660 you only need to drop three percent from 26 to 23 and it makes an enormous number of difference in

00:09:53.520 seats and that only accelerates you need you lose another three percent in the conservatives there's

00:09:58.700 a there's a colossal difference between getting 21 and 26 in the number of seats you get

00:10:05.480 under this polling if it holds up restore would probably retain the great yarm of seat and so

00:10:12.540 it's leads it's led to a lot of people asking well why does you know you know a lot of reformers

00:10:17.520 saying well restore needs reform more than the other way around and i i think i just wanted to

00:10:24.480 clear up there was a fundamental misconception there the fundamental misconception is it's it

00:10:30.240 feels like we're explaining per capita again that whole debate where they're just blindsided by one

00:10:35.260 number is bigger than the other the issue is is that it's not just slightly closing the borders

00:10:42.760 we are being replaced with the existing stock and that is due to happen in 2063 and if reform come

00:10:51.920 in and they do a proper set of border security but not much else it buys us about five years

00:10:59.280 so for us the key thing is not i don't want to be replaced in 2020 63 sorry 2063 but i would be

00:11:07.540 okay with being replaced in 2068 it's i i actually want to reverse this so that it never happens at

00:11:14.660 all and so from our point of view when reform was the really the only viable right-wing party

00:11:23.300 it's like okay well we have the extra five years because why not i mean fair enough but now that

00:11:29.540 we've got something that is actually advocating our position we don't feel the need to chuck it

00:11:33.260 all in just to win the next election because the next election doesn't really buy you anything

00:11:37.380 apart from in the best case scenario five years which is simply not enough so you know with that

00:11:43.760 um i mean i've got some analysis of the deal itself but i mean what what are we thinking guys

00:11:48.120 um is is there a deal to be done

00:11:51.480 anyone there's a there's an interesting dynamic here which is everybody is criticizing the

00:12:01.220 supposed negotiation for a deal on the basis that why why are they trying to trade things

00:12:09.440 but there's a there's another dynamic of this which everybody seems to forget politics is about

00:12:15.180 winning the day you need to be empowered you're going to your your voter your voter district and

00:12:21.400 you're saying elect me so that i can effect the change if you're not going to get the numbers but

00:12:26.660 you're still able to get yourself into a position of power to elect to effect the change that's what

00:12:31.760 you voted to do so you can't really criticize an individual especially if they're not going to have

00:12:37.860 the popular mandate which let's be honest none of them are really going to have the popular mandate

00:12:41.940 a negotiated settlement is the best way to do it because it will get you a form of power it will

00:12:48.240 get you a position regardless of what that is that's literally what you're voting him to do

00:12:53.520 yes i mean well i mean that's the way i look at politics i mean i i would actually rather not be

00:12:58.380 directly involved in politics myself as long as i get the things that i actually want that that is

00:13:02.660 the key thing i mean we can take a look at the at the actual uh proposal um you know rupert's five

00:13:08.900 points and i've i've put the sort of the strong version but actually in all of these there is

00:13:14.280 negotiating space so point number one restoring our borders now that um there is a lot of overlap

00:13:23.120 here because the reform policies do contain a lot of policy stuff on there um but the strong version

00:13:29.860 of what rupert is saying is not merely reducing future immigration but reversing immigration

00:13:35.620 already underway that would be a sticking point because of course one of the big reasons why

00:13:40.060 there's been the fallout with restoring reform is rupert sorry nigel's disastrous appearance on the

00:13:47.220 stephen edgington interview where he was asked about deportations and he said no it's impossible

00:13:52.240 we can't do it with that that was that was a major block so but but zaya use if you see who seems to

00:13:59.320 be more on the right of the reform party has been making noises that actually know they do want to

00:14:04.200 do mass deportations so it's very ambiguous where they stand on it so it's basically pushing them

00:14:09.360 to do the strong version of what reform have already said albeit what niger has already ruled

00:14:16.320 out well they have made a statement that they would like to reverse well just completely abolish

00:14:20.660 indefinite leave to remain which would do quite a bit to force the people who move if the reforms

00:14:28.120 on ILR under Labour carry forward,

00:14:33.460 and that means it pushes back the Boris wave

00:14:35.520 from being able to be granted ILR for another five or ten years,

00:14:40.020 if a reform were to get in and then actually abolish it altogether,

00:14:43.680 well then, once their visa period is up,

00:14:46.460 they'd all have to either get a renewed visa or just go home.

00:14:49.300 I mean, yes, that is a slight improvement.

00:14:51.360 I think it's a lot weaker than anything we'd want,

00:14:53.020 but, yeah, I'll give you that.

00:14:55.180 That is a slight improvement.

00:14:56.500 Well, I've seen some people say that Restore and Rupert have said

00:15:00.640 that they don't want to abolish indefinite leave-to-remain,

00:15:03.140 and that just seems like a normal, sensible thing,

00:15:06.020 or have I been misinformed?

00:15:08.140 I'm not aware of the detail on that one, but, yeah.

00:15:10.960 I guess we can look at that.

00:15:13.180 Every illegal migrant to be deported, including families.

00:15:16.020 I mean, hopefully that at least is agreeable.

00:15:19.980 Restore's published mass deportation programme

00:15:23.020 to be implemented in full and to the letter.

00:15:26.500 that was put across very strong but i'm sure if an actual deal was to be done you know as long as

00:15:33.680 it contains the main element um and select legal residents um so basically people who've already

00:15:39.920 been granted citizenship can still be removed if they don't speak english if they don't work if

00:15:44.140 they don't integrate you know if if if they fail loyalty tests such as you know advocating for

00:15:49.320 rape gangs or whatever it is um so there is there is um negotiation space there on on how exactly

00:15:56.320 this stuff above is done but i mean the core of it is repealing human rights act equality act

00:16:01.300 european convention on human rights and a few other bits which shouldn't be desperately difficult

00:16:06.540 for both reform and restore to agree i will come back to two because that's the contentious bit

00:16:12.520 so i can whiz through the rest um death penalty rupert feels strongly about that i actually

00:16:18.780 don't i mean not that i don't think you find anyone on the right who don't who wouldn't agree

00:16:23.340 that axel ruder cabana should be put to death but also there is a legitimate concern on the right

00:16:28.400 that if you give government this power they start using it for people who tweet something they don't

00:16:32.840 like i i i think that worry is somewhat massively hysterical possibly um i i no that's the i there's

00:16:42.420 no situation even under starma that happening even under starma no even under starma okay

00:16:47.020 so i think you have to remind yourself that when you create a law you don't create a law with the

00:16:52.620 best intentions you have to create a law knowing full well what's the worst that it could occur

00:16:58.160 with this was given to some mass lunatic and if some mass lunatic had it and you had to

00:17:03.680 legitimize the death penalty yes you land up with iran yes i mean yeah you have to basically

00:17:10.880 legislate for people who aren't acting according to the law naturally speaking i i i think i think

00:17:17.860 it's that kind of catastrophizing um in in england which for all its faults does have a political

00:17:24.360 system which has proven itself very very very adept at keeping out like absolute lunatics like

00:17:34.400 that we may have lots of problems with the way that the government has been managed over the past

00:17:38.640 100 years really

00:17:40.940 but like an actual lunatic

00:17:42.960 who would start just like

00:17:44.420 rounding up political opponents

00:17:46.580 and murdering them en masse

00:17:48.160 that's kind of what the British system is

00:17:50.080 designed to not allow

00:17:51.720 they're already rounding up political opponents en masse

00:17:54.340 they're just not doing the second bit

00:17:56.060 they're just jailing them

00:17:57.460 they don't kill them

00:17:59.480 they push them through into court so that they can spend a couple of years in prison

00:18:02.600 not great but they're not going to start

00:18:05.020 hanging people

00:18:06.100 so maybe

00:18:08.340 maybe that could be part of a deal as well and actually you know um the referendum is inherently

00:18:13.260 open you know nigel could agree to the referendum campaign on the other side and the question isn't

00:18:18.140 defined either so so you would hope that that is not a massive stumbling block uh restore britain

00:18:23.580 as self-sufficiency um you you'd like to think that actually both parties could agree on that

00:18:29.820 so again this one shouldn't be massively difficult um fiscal restraint strategic capability control

00:18:35.840 spending cut welfare sound public finances i mean any right-wing party i mean even the bloody

00:18:40.640 conservatives should at least directionally be able to agree to all of this ensure britain can

00:18:45.900 you know pound feed itself i mean this this is all just perfectly normal right-wing thinking and

00:18:53.720 details can be negotiated on that so that shouldn't be a stumbling block uh restoring faith in

00:18:59.660 politics uh this one uh prevent the future government from being populated by conservative

00:19:04.600 ministers advisors and a governing culture responsible for the previous period um

00:19:09.800 to be fair rupert didn't name any names it's widely assumed he means sorella braverman and

00:19:19.420 robert jenrich um but you know there is wiggle room where it could be said okay we'll just stop

00:19:24.580 taking more tories were they are they uh associated with a boris wave well they were immigration

00:19:31.960 minister and home secretary at the time so perhaps one of the major concerns yes but i suppose i

00:19:37.460 suppose you could make the argument that you know the terminology was failed so you could say well

00:19:43.280 they resigned and i'm just saying i don't i don't think it necessarily needs to be a i mean it

00:19:48.840 wouldn't be a massive stop for nigel to say okay well we don't count suella and jenric has failed

00:19:56.200 but we're we're just not going to take any more of them i mean do you have a view on this i mean

00:19:59.760 you worked in the cameron government didn't you there's there's there's another element of this

00:20:03.960 which rupert did speak about and that is this idea of the two-party state so as you as you know in

00:20:10.420 the united kingdom we got a labor government not because people wanted labor government yes they

00:20:15.740 were just fed up with the tories and we always have this the same thing that happens in the u.s

00:20:19.680 republicans come in they do a poor job of what are they doing so they vote for the democrats do

00:20:24.640 they actually align with the democrat policies probably not but i mean you you you voted not

00:20:30.020 them as opposed to the alternative they voted labor because labor was not the conservatives the

00:20:35.780 problem is that there's no credible other alternatives now when you look at it from

00:20:41.960 that perspective you have to say okay well rupert has an opportunity to show parties

00:20:46.180 or to show members of the public that actually a vote for a smaller party isn't necessarily a wasted

00:20:52.420 vote that's what you get told you i'm not going to vote for them because i'll be wasting my vote

00:20:57.240 so if he's able to push forward forms of party politics without having the popular mandate to

00:21:02.780 still be a small party and get his his policies pushed forward that's a win that restores faith

00:21:11.040 in politics as a whole because you're now not going well who do i vote for this is a problem

00:21:16.440 we have in south africa nobody wants to actually vote anymore because it's like well yeah they're

00:21:20.500 going to get them or them and they're both going to do the same thing so what's so i'm also just

00:21:24.460 opt out to the voting process and that's what you see when it gets through to the vote the voting

00:21:29.340 numbers the amount of people that engage and actually vote is on the decline yeah much

00:21:34.260 everywhere yeah that makes sense i have another question i don't know if you want us to talk

00:21:38.680 about it now or in a bit but i think the timing is not the best how do you mean because if they

00:21:45.800 decide on a deal right now maybe they're gonna they aren't gonna have the momentum that they'll

00:21:51.720 probably have a few months before the election and if there are two let's say area two parties

00:21:59.080 and each of them has some baggage in some shape or form and you have a marriage of both then

00:22:06.340 essentially you double the baggage right whereas and whereas a few months before the next election

00:22:13.980 all this could could sort of be erased yeah Nigel Farage did do that because they sense the rising

00:22:21.620 labor as a greater threat so so Nigel Farage did of course do that before previous election

00:22:28.000 with Boris Johnson and he got sort of strung up by it because basically the the Tories went out

00:22:34.400 and announced it no he announced it first and then the Tories announced it but before the details

00:22:40.040 have been sealed they they basically just didn't leave him any seats to contest or anything they

00:22:44.840 didn't give him anything and they just sort of you completely betrayed him so um i take your point

00:22:49.900 but there's also something to be said for for getting it properly fleshed out as to what the

00:22:54.060 what the deal actually looks like um having done these the potentially easier ones with the

00:23:00.720 exception of um you know reversing the migration already underway the really contentious one is

00:23:06.060 is restoring demographic security now that one i'd know almost without exception every reform

00:23:11.640 influencer who has talked about this has renamed this or has skipped it or they've called it

00:23:18.540 something else because they they don't want to address this point because it is kind of the key

00:23:23.800 difference between the two it's actually the same point as i made earlier about we don't want to be

00:23:29.260 replaced in 2068 as opposed to 2063 um it's the preventing the projected displacement of britain's

00:23:36.660 as the national majority you know reversing the islamication of britain you know preserving

00:23:41.020 britain as a christian country i mean i suppose tonally they could sign up to that um but banning

00:23:47.820 um islamic and jewish um slaughter so kosher and halal and the burqa they might be agree on the

00:23:54.300 burke a bit but they'll probably run away from that bit um again it's because it's not absolutely

00:24:02.620 locked down in terms of what precisely this means there is room again here to do a deal

00:24:09.080 but this this is this is where they're tonally apart and this is potentially what's going on

00:24:14.720 here is that Rupert is sort of genuinely happy to get either outcome either he gets a deal

00:24:20.820 in which case Nigel Farage gets to be prime minister he doesn't get he doesn't get much

00:24:28.260 apart from a actual right-wing policy position but if but if it's rejected it does expose what

00:24:35.740 the key difference between reform and restore is which is they just don't offer demographic security

00:24:39.800 Nigel's on record though isn't he was that Nigel's on record though he got asked years ago whether

00:24:45.980 or not he was okay with what's becoming a minority in britain he said well if it happens it happens

00:24:51.900 he's on he's on record as saying it's like yeah also happens happens yeah just some questions

00:24:58.180 that come to mind is just i mean do does restore britain and rupert lowe now trust nigel farage

00:25:06.380 do they trust because if you don't trust someone and you propose a deal

00:25:12.280 well how do you think that they're going to honor it yes so that's one question also um

00:25:22.020 yeah as you as you said Byron I mean Farage has said several things that many people on

00:25:29.160 Restore Britain have rejected precisely uh the parts of the interview with Stephen Edgington

00:25:35.980 you mentioned so he isn't going to backtrack on that Farage isn't going to backtrack he might

00:25:41.160 he might Farage was putting out attack ads against Robert Jenrick this time last year and then a few

00:25:47.100 months later accepted him into the party with a big smile on his face like yeah Farage is a

00:25:52.400 practiced politician he he knows the art of a backtrack if he has something to gain from it

00:25:58.620 with Jenrick he felt he had something to gain from it with Restore does he think he has something to

00:26:03.320 gain with it. Will they want to work with Rupert and people again when there is so much personal

00:26:10.760 animosity? I can't say, but I'm not going to rule out that there could be a backtrack because

00:26:15.660 there's always opportunity for backtracking in politics. But I'm just saying, isn't it, I mean,

00:26:19.620 when you have a marriage between two parties, usually the large party swallows the smaller one.

00:26:25.380 Isn't it too early for Restore Britain to be contemplating this? Well, they're not talking

00:26:29.800 about a merger they're talking about cooperation so it could be something like uh reform get to

00:26:35.420 contest 90 of the seats and restore contest the other 10 something like that i do agree with you

00:26:41.140 though still yes it feels like a weird time to be doing this when russ reforms uh polling seems to

00:26:48.300 be slowly dipping to the point where the conservatives are beginning to catch up with

00:26:52.940 them again. And Nigel Farage is going to be captured within the freak show circus that the

00:27:02.560 Clacton by-election is going to be with Count Binface and all of that involved. It feels like

00:27:08.000 a very, very strange time to go. Right, now it's time to put our differences aside. Perhaps there

00:27:13.160 is more strategy to it from behind the scenes than we're aware of, but I don't see much sense

00:27:21.260 in it outside of a potential gotcha an attempt at a little bit of a gotcha or them going actually

00:27:29.100 this is really a lot more work and difficulty than we thought we don't have the resources

00:27:34.040 right now so maybe we should try and like expand expand our operations through cooperation there

00:27:41.020 is there is another area of it which is something that i can share experience with you from south

00:27:45.380 africa and that's when we had our last elections the anc didn't win a majority they needed to go

00:27:49.880 coalition politics and coalition politics is notoriously difficult when you've got two sides

00:27:55.000 negotiating and you're on the clock so you don't have a lot of time to negotiate stuff so in south

00:28:01.000 africa we landed up with a very strange settlement between what they now class as the gnu parties

00:28:07.640 but it was an agreement pushed through with zero time to actually negotiate the final point

00:28:15.240 so a lot of the really bad policy that many individuals were hoped would be repealed

00:28:20.900 are still there because the settlement to get the GNU there just wasn't enough time to negotiate it

00:28:26.940 so now might be the right time to go and do it so that you can do it in a slow manner you can iron

00:28:33.400 out all the all the issues so that by the time you have to form a government you can do that quickly

00:28:37.900 yeah I I kind of agree with the with what you're saying there about the the clock issue because

00:28:43.420 I mean I don't know this analogy will work for people who don't play poker but you know if I've

00:28:47.520 got suited connectors and the board's fairly open I might place a large bet and I don't necessarily

00:28:54.140 mind whether the opposition folds straight away in which case I win straight away or we end up

00:28:59.620 playing it on because I like my chances and I think that's similar to what Rupert's doing here

00:29:03.980 he he does feel and and we all agree um well here at Lotus Eaters anyway I don't know what your view

00:29:11.340 but um you know we all agree that over the time restore can um replace reform because they're

00:29:18.280 offering something which is fundamentally better which is demographic security but whether that

00:29:22.640 happens before the next election a couple of years away is a different question so he's quite happy

00:29:26.980 to say well look you know we can either get our policies now or we just run it out the long term

00:29:31.560 okay yes that you know worst case scenario that does mean a burn and wins an election but you

00:29:38.100 know we're only we're only pushing 2063 to 2068 anyway and therefore it's worth going for the

00:29:42.880 full thing but i'll take a policy win now but if that is the case and at best all this uh grants

00:29:50.260 the british is five more years of demographic uh security because the stock will replace us anyway

00:29:56.420 isn't it worth for a store saying for instance i don't want farage has baggage i don't want to tie

00:30:03.520 myself with farage's baggage i will i will leave him let's say implode from his baggage and i'll

00:30:11.480 wait and cover that area the same way that reform uk covered the area of the conservatives yeah

00:30:19.140 possibly but um fraud might last until after the next election so yeah uh that's the issue i think

00:30:29.320 i think a deal can be done i wouldn't say it's my central assumption because of the because of the

00:30:34.840 bad blood i had to highlight earlier on i don't think it's going to get done um but i actually

00:30:40.460 don't think a deal is impossible and it should be taken seriously by both sides um but i'm actually

00:30:46.860 happy with either outcome which is either a deal is done and we get actual right-wing policies

00:30:51.520 well it's it's basically that trade deal that i showed earlier it's that um i don't mind actually

00:30:58.400 getting actual right-wing policies um but if we have to go the distance and build up restore the

00:31:04.240 long way i'm happy with that as well so you know over to the reform side i guess now if restore

00:31:12.420 if restore is smart they won't actually ask for any ministerial positions yeah they haven't yeah

00:31:17.280 they they should learn from cameron and clegg because clegg going in as the deputy prime minister

00:31:26.180 way back when killed libertarians for a generation so it's not actually a good idea yeah so to lend

00:31:34.140 your votes not actually be on the front line of the politics i'm not saying that's like yeah

00:31:38.220 it makes a lot of sense um a couple of people have uh commented uh that's a random name says

00:31:43.600 the uk will be uh minority white before way before 2060 yeah the number is disputed uh because the

00:31:50.040 birth rate is almost uh minority white uh here in canada it's pretty much that way yeah um

00:31:55.940 um the precise date is disputed but the essential issue is the birth rate yeah

00:32:00.520 sigil stone says uh they won't execute people for tweeting thinks back to lexington and concord

00:32:07.320 yeah the british government would totally would use deadly force against dissidents

00:32:11.220 read the one before read it before you say it out loud because i'm not so sure

00:32:18.120 um well banning halal uh there's so so so big doggy so you're banning palau

00:32:24.600 banning everything yeah yeah d d islamification um and he also says um

00:32:32.320 uh i'm it's not as lambs phobic it's totally rational uh it's not an irrational fear well

00:32:39.200 there are examples that support that certainly i don't see any problem with that particular uh

00:32:44.500 with those. What's going on with this mouse? Do you want another one?

00:32:51.340 No, no, it switched itself off somehow. Yeah, just to say to Sigilstone, I

00:32:58.740 appreciate the sentiment, but the squishiest, most squeamish and fattest

00:33:07.120 British elite that we've ever, ever had in our history is not of the same class or character

00:33:16.680 as those of Lexington and Concord. So, no, they are not going to be sending your grandmother to

00:33:24.020 the noose for boomer posting on Facebook. Prove me wrong. Prove me wrong. I don't want to be

00:33:30.680 proven wrong. I don't think anyone wants to prove you wrong here. Especially the guy whose

00:33:35.240 grandmother you're talking about. Yeah, exactly. I think your grandmother should be free to post

00:33:40.020 boomer memes on Facebook all day long. That should be part of her fundamental rights.

00:33:45.180 But yes, so I'm going to be talking about Canada's newest founding myth. First, I want to advertise

00:33:52.400 Islander and tell you all that you need to get a copy of it before it sells out. Islander number

00:33:57.640 six, 14.99. Excellent articles, beautiful images, pictures of the authors, which mileage may vary

00:34:06.660 with some of those, but we do have some handsome chaps in here, I suppose. Get it while it's still

00:34:12.260 hot, whilst you still can, or you will regret it. So my theory, chaps, I don't, this may sound like

00:34:20.940 controversial theory at first, but I don't think it actually is. My theory is that Western nations

00:34:28.900 suffering from a hefty dose of white guilt, such as, for instance, Canada, are jealous of Germany

00:34:35.980 because they have the Holocaust. Wait, hang on, run that by me again? I think they're jealous

00:34:42.040 that Germany has the Holocaust because it gives them an infinite amount of capital to fuel its

00:34:48.460 white guilt. Oh, I see.

00:34:50.640 Right? Yep.

00:34:52.180 Now, Germany has that, Britain has

00:34:54.560 the empire, America

00:34:56.380 has slavery,

00:34:58.500 other countries have

00:35:00.280 other stuff, but for those that are

00:35:02.200 of, let's say, less

00:35:04.380 historical significance, they don't

00:35:06.540 quite have the same reason to

00:35:08.400 fuel their ongoing

00:35:10.140 endless levels of white guilt.

00:35:12.540 And so sometimes,

00:35:14.380 some countries will simply

00:35:16.300 make up

00:35:17.920 their own genocide.

00:35:19.620 They want something to be guilty about.

00:35:21.780 And because they don't have something,

00:35:23.480 they have to invent something.

00:35:24.640 They want something to serve

00:35:26.040 as the liberal foundational myth

00:35:30.080 of their white guilt

00:35:32.100 to excuse and explain

00:35:35.060 why it is that people of European descent

00:35:37.660 have to be replaced.

00:35:40.260 They have to be browned out.

00:35:41.720 I can't think of any reason

00:35:42.980 why Canada has to feel guilty of anything.

00:35:45.120 Well, and that's why

00:35:45.820 they had to kind of make one up.

00:35:47.640 And liberal activists and other such people in Canada will call me a denier, a denialist for this.

00:35:54.460 But if you all remember back in 2021, there was this big discovery, discovery via indigenous groups of mass graves.

00:36:05.520 Mass graves all over Canada related to what were the residential schools,

00:36:10.500 which were schools in Canada from the late 19th century to the 1970s,

00:36:14.520 where they took the Canadian Indians, put them in Christian schools, primarily Catholic,

00:36:21.340 and tried to Canadianize them.

00:36:23.640 They tried to get them to assimilate into the national culture through that,

00:36:27.760 where they were made to speak English, given history lessons on the history of the British Empire

00:36:32.920 and other such things, and apparently brutally murdered in genocidal fits of rage.

00:36:39.900 so sorry oh in the 70s the mounties went around and massacred entire schools and then nobody

00:36:51.660 mentioned it until last week until 2021 uh well no this was something that had been part of the

00:36:57.680 national conversation since they had stopped using the residential school system uh because by the

00:37:02.520 1970s the modern modern biases and cultures had begun to catch up everywhere and so they decided

00:37:10.340 this is a terrible awful thing for us to do how dare we expect these people to assimilate into

00:37:14.360 the majority culture of the nation that they live in and as such people the people from these

00:37:20.640 indigenous groups have gone back to areas where supposedly there were reports of mass graves due

00:37:27.000 to murder and disease that was going on in these schools and they had done investigations using

00:37:33.000 ground penetrating radar where the most famous one the one that kick-started all of this was May

00:37:38.920 in 2021 in an area called Kamloops in I think it's in Alberta or British Columbia where they

00:37:47.120 went they used ground penetrating radar and they found evidence of 215 disturbances. Now these

00:37:55.600 disturbances were not reported on in the headlines as disturbances because of course

00:38:00.880 you throw some radar into some soil and find that the soil has been disturbed it could be anything

00:38:06.420 right obviously it could be anything now this was instead reported on as the body 250 children's

00:38:15.600 215 bodies of children found in mass grave in Kamloops Canada and this was sorry I'm not clear

00:38:23.640 but this is only the 1970s why don't they just ask people well that's one of the things that

00:38:30.000 they did they said that this is also verified using survivor testimony of the people who went

00:38:37.620 to these schools and presumably remember their catholic priest so starving the some guy who's

00:38:45.780 now in his 50s or 60s says yeah i went to this school and i had a day off sick one day and when

00:38:52.960 When I came back the next day, everybody had been massacred and buried.

00:38:56.580 It sounds about right.

00:38:57.580 Right.

00:38:58.580 Was DNA found?

00:38:59.580 Or what sort of, what was this disturbance?

00:39:02.080 It was a disturbance in the soil, showing that the soil had been...

00:39:04.720 Like a disturbance in the forest.

00:39:06.520 Some, well, it's faith-based, like that, yes.

00:39:09.200 So there's no hard evidence?

00:39:11.200 No.

00:39:12.200 No DNA.

00:39:13.200 And we'll get on to that.

00:39:14.520 The only hard evidence that has ever been found relating to these, as far as I can tell

00:39:18.600 in terms of actually finding human remains was in the early 2000s according to a spectator article

00:39:24.920 a man was walking through a field and found the rib cage of a child buried in the ground I assume

00:39:30.560 that he was doing like metal detection or something but who knows how long that had been

00:39:34.580 there that could be anything and in the 90s a tooth was found in one of these fields that's

00:39:40.840 about as much hard evidence as we have and that's what a lot of what this is going off of and also

00:39:45.540 these testimonies and supposed um original archival documents that exist but really the

00:39:53.860 local paper would have mentioned this i'm pretty sure even in the in where i live the local paper

00:39:59.960 would pick up on an entire school being massacred you'd think it would be notable but apparently

00:40:05.680 everybody kept their mouths shut um in terms of like what you would actually expect as verifying

00:40:11.820 mass graves, that being you excavate them and find the remains and identify the remains and

00:40:18.240 then you date the remains to make sure that you've not accidentally just stumbled across some

00:40:22.140 hundreds of years old unmarked graveyard that's withered away due to time or something,

00:40:28.480 has not been done in most of these cases because then there was this explosion of all of these

00:40:33.360 different mass graves being found by Indigenous groups who of course have a vested interest

00:40:40.400 in promoting their own grievance narrative using the same methods of ground-penetrating radar.

00:40:47.980 This one was from June of 2021. Reported by the Daily Mail, another mass grave of 182 children,

00:40:56.180 182 disturbances, discovered at Catholic-run Indian Residential School in Canada as Pope

00:41:01.580 Francis himself agreed to meet with the survivors. In 2022, he did actually go to Canada and issue

00:41:07.660 an apology. The school was run by the Catholic Church from 1912 until the 1970s. There were

00:41:13.140 other ones here, one of more than 600 unmarked graves in Saskatchewan, and another of 215 bodies

00:41:21.360 in British Columbia. That would have been the Kamloops one. None of these places have been

00:41:27.300 actually investigated beyond ground-penetrating radar, and there are a whole number of excuses

00:41:33.100 given for that from university professors who consider themselves experts on indigenous studies,

00:41:39.560 mainly saying, well, of course you've not found any bodies. We've not dug them up. Why haven't

00:41:44.780 we dug them up? We're probably going to dig them up. When are we going to dig them up?

00:41:49.040 As soon as a bunch of conflicting indigenous groups all decide that we can dig them up,

00:41:56.040 until then you simply have to take it as an article of faith that these are definite mass

00:42:00.700 graves and the reason that there are graves there is because of a definite intentional plan to

00:42:06.480 genocide native indians in canada as perpetrated by the government up until the 1970s i don't

00:42:14.840 understand why people who would want to promote their grievances would resist the um you know

00:42:23.600 excavations that would presumably lead the the canadian government to discover dna there

00:42:32.020 if there is dna there or even actual remains yeah or actual remains if they're as recent as the

00:42:38.620 70s why wouldn't they use it as you know a perfect let's say rub it on your nose hey this is genocide

00:42:44.000 you have the dna here well there are a few reasons for that my favorite one being that

00:42:49.240 community leaders have said that it would re-traumatize the communities involved which is

00:42:56.400 a all-purpose excuse for shutting down any and all investigations yeah i understand but

00:43:03.360 you can't simultaneously have grievances and looking back history and history is a you know

00:43:09.220 it's a traumatizing thing and then say no i don't want to be i don't want to be traumatized

00:43:13.700 re-traumatized by an investigation they simply want to hand themselves a blank check

00:43:18.180 to get what they want. And one of the interesting side effects of this, which was not reported on

00:43:23.480 anywhere near as much as it should have been, was that this seemed to have then been the impetus for

00:43:28.200 a number of ideological and politically motivated attacks against churches, specifically

00:43:34.720 Catholic churches, all across Canada. There was a spate of church burnings, which is still going on

00:43:40.680 now, which are not being widely reported, particularly internationally. So even in June of

00:43:46.320 2021, they report in here, since the discovery of unmarked graves at the sites of former

00:43:51.080 residential schools, there have been several fires at churches across Canada. There's also

00:43:55.240 been some vandalism targeting churches and statues in cities. Four small Catholic churches

00:44:00.000 on indigenous lands in rural southern British Columbia had been destroyed by suspicious fires

00:44:05.580 and a vacant former Anglican church in northwestern British Columbia was recently damaged in what the

00:44:10.300 RCMP said could be arson. Excuses were made, it was clearly poor fire safety at these places,

00:44:19.200 but what it actually seems to have been was attempted arson, presumably by aggrieved activists

00:44:26.040 and other kind of ideologues and political figures, or even just the communities that now

00:44:30.660 feel that they have a reason and an excuse to go out and attack these places because of historic

00:44:35.620 injustice or something. Now, people may remember that Lauren Southern made a documentary about

00:44:41.340 this back in the day and made quite a few videos about this subject, actually, where she was

00:44:45.000 very good. She said that she had been in contact, if I remember correctly, with one of the women

00:44:51.340 who had conducted the scientific ground-penetrating radar studies, who had even said to her,

00:44:59.420 well, yeah, we found disturbances. We've not dug anything up. We don't know about it.

00:45:03.060 disturbances could be anything it could be roots going through the ground it could be rocks

00:45:07.040 buried in the ground it could be evidence of in places where maybe there wasn't good toiletries

00:45:14.020 no uh running water or anything like that it could be evidence of um latrines being dug

00:45:20.260 for people but it could also be a genocide so best vote liberal yes right yes best give away

00:45:27.400 all of your earthly possessions yes now lauren southern got in a lot of trouble for this in an

00:45:31.220 early example of something that's still ongoing, which is that this was taken so early on after

00:45:37.220 these discoveries were made as just the truth. You are not allowed to question the truth in much

00:45:44.400 the same way that there are plenty of other things in liberal modern cultural dogma that you're not

00:45:49.940 allowed to question as well, that she was branded with the denialist label, which obviously is

00:45:57.860 trying to allude to the same kind of stigma that Holocaust denial gets.

00:46:03.680 Well, and that is illegal to question 26 European countries.

00:46:06.400 Yes, exactly.

00:46:07.940 So they were trying to stigmatize her and get her banned from all sorts of conferences

00:46:13.720 and events that she was being invited to by labeling her a denier, which brings up all

00:46:19.400 sorts of connotations in people's minds.

00:46:21.400 And for something as flimsy as this, I must say, is quite unfair, to say the least.

00:46:28.620 And again, it seems to have been used as an excuse for all of these church burnings.

00:46:33.740 Here's an article from the Christian Post in April of last year, 2025,

00:46:38.280 talking about the fact that these church burnings are still ongoing.

00:46:41.540 They're not very widely reported on.

00:46:43.680 There had been a study performed by an organisation called the Macdonald Laurier Institute,

00:46:49.020 46-page report where researchers tested two explanations for the ongoing, still-happening

00:46:55.860 rise in church burnings. Ever since it, one of the explanations was that the burnings reflect

00:47:00.840 a larger spike in anti-Christian or anti-religious sentiment. The other links them to the series of

00:47:05.180 announcements from 2021 about the unmarked burials at former residential schools,

00:47:10.480 a network of boarding institutions, etc. The report stated, statistical analysis indicates

00:47:16.620 that the increase in arson is not religiously motivated, concluding that the pattern is likely

00:47:21.720 a response to the burial claims because it had gone up to such a high degree. People began looking

00:47:28.600 into this. So you go, okay, we've discussed all this so far. These places, the big ones, Kamloops,

00:47:35.200 Saskatchewan, etc., have not been investigated. Have any of these places been investigated where

00:47:41.640 Supposedly, they found these unmarked graves where children had been murdered purposefully through a program of extermination put forward by the Catholic Church in conjunction with the Canadian government.

00:47:54.460 Well, yes, one dig happened. And do you know what it found? Rocks.

00:47:59.760 in 2023 september there was a dig uh conducted by an indigenous group known as pine creek first

00:48:08.720 nation excavated 14 sites in the basement of a catholic church near the former pine creek

00:48:13.760 residential school in manitoba over four weeks in the summer but they are yet to uncover bodies

00:48:20.560 at the sites that were suspected of being possible burial locations of indigenous children according

00:48:25.200 to reports the work came after the ground penetrating radar uh detected what were described

00:48:30.120 as 14 anomalies at the locations in the basement of the church but god they turned those poor kids

00:48:36.520 into rocks before burying them it was you know that's that's the real horror of the whole thing

00:48:41.740 was just the the like evil scientific genius the catholic church did is alchemical alchemical evil

00:48:47.840 being being perpetrated them to golems yes um one such effort to search for evidence was also

00:48:54.960 undertaken at the unpronounceable residential school in nova scotia in august 21 researchers

00:49:01.000 determined that potential graves found around the school had no connection to the institution

00:49:05.220 and predated the school by about 100 years according to other reports so that's the other

00:49:09.640 element of this if you dig them up you're probably going to find nothing and you're going to find

00:49:14.020 rocks if you do find bodies they might get dated to well before the schools were opened

00:49:20.400 Well, a DNA check would prove that.

00:49:23.140 Yeah, and it might just be that what you found is an unmarked grave site.

00:49:30.480 What happened to the tooth?

00:49:33.080 I don't know. I can't tell you.

00:49:35.900 Reached for comment by Fox News Digital,

00:49:38.520 a spokesperson for the Minister of Crown Indigenous Relations said that Canada is,

00:49:42.220 quote, working in partnership with communities to provide the resources needed

00:49:45.940 as they continue the very important and challenging work of locating, identifying, and commemorating

00:49:51.520 the remains of those that were stolen from their families and prevented from coming home.

00:49:56.100 In some searches, disturbances at the sites of former residential schools may not be identified,

00:50:00.280 but this does not negate the experiences and living memory of horrific abuse experienced

00:50:07.040 by Indigenous children in residential schools, said the spokesperson for this Crown Indigenous

00:50:13.580 relations organization so even if it's complete bullshit feel bad for us anyway and do what we

00:50:23.080 want and basically say that it was mass graves anyway or we'll equate you to a holocaust denier

00:50:29.220 you're denying genocide but other people have uh commented on this as well here's an article from

00:50:35.700 spiked from last year uh which just confirmed what i already knew which was that still all of

00:50:41.160 those major ones, Camsloops, Saskatchewan, the big ones, not been looked into. Still, to this day,

00:50:47.480 we don't want to re-traumatize the communities. Oh, the communities are still arguing amongst

00:50:52.380 themselves whether we should let them or whether we should let the dead lie. So they're never

00:50:56.300 actually going to let you do this. They're never going to check if there's evidence,

00:51:01.300 not because of re-traumatization or anything like that, but because there won't be anything there.

00:51:06.060 Or if there is something there, it's not going to be evidence of the schools brutally murdering

00:51:11.800 people. Now, I'm not going to say that the schools will have been perfect. It might be evidence that

00:51:16.700 the schools did not have great sanitary conditions and that some of the children died of disease or

00:51:22.180 something. That's very different from targeted genocide. And you can't really use it to hang

00:51:27.880 over the heads of people in quite the same way, which is why they're not going to do it.

00:51:31.800 because they want to hang it over the heads of the people and also people want their white guilt

00:51:37.640 they love their white guilt it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside oh if germany can have

00:51:41.840 the holocaust we need something we need something we need our own genocide there is a solution to

00:51:47.020 that but it might be a bit edgy well i don't think that i mean maybe you can never let that

00:51:52.060 you never know the canadians can surprise you uh from time to time uh but this is where um i was

00:51:57.960 made aware of some of the parts of this story, felt the need to update it through. Millennial

00:52:02.840 Woes had a contact who made him aware, and he asked me to look into this, of a woman called

00:52:09.300 Dr. Frances Widowson, who was a former lecturer at the University of Lethbridge, which is in the

00:52:19.680 southernmost area of British Columbia, who has been talking about this for a long time. She was

00:52:25.140 a tenured professor and was removed from her tenure as a result of even talking about this.

00:52:32.780 She has been branded a denier. She has been assaulted at protests. She has gone back to

00:52:38.320 her university. So she's denying something that hasn't been proven and she's losing her job.

00:52:43.680 She's lost her job. She has attempted to organize a number of protests at the university about this

00:52:50.320 related to academic freedom, freedom of speech, academic standards. There's this very interesting

00:52:56.320 and long interview that you can read with her here talking about this. Supposedly, according

00:53:01.560 to Woes, one of the people that she has been collaborating with on all of this was actually the

00:53:07.140 creator of indigenous studies in the first place, which is quite an interesting little factoid that

00:53:12.680 I was given there. But she has been trying to protest the injustice of this, fight for academic

00:53:20.780 freedoms and freedom of speech and academic standards. And she has been removed from her

00:53:25.100 tenured position. It was reviewed by an academic board and then given it an extra review after she

00:53:33.120 was removed. And they said, yeah, this was a complete injustice. We're still not going to

00:53:37.020 give you your job back though, because you're a denier essentially. And now she is banned from

00:53:43.740 the university that she used to work at because she trespasses, because the police issued a

00:53:49.120 trespass notice against her back in February. And she goes there and tries to do protests about it

00:53:55.040 and Antifa show up and try and assault her for being a denier. So that's the little interesting

00:54:00.620 little tidbit. This is massively affecting people in Canada. They have their new founding myth.

00:54:07.020 so that they can all feel nice and fuzzy about their white guilt

00:54:10.040 as they're being replaced by Chinese and Indians

00:54:12.460 like the rest of the Western nations.

00:54:15.460 It's all a little bit ridiculous, isn't it?

00:54:18.400 Yeah, a bit.

00:54:18.800 A lot, not just a bit.

00:54:20.160 Yes.

00:54:21.520 If memory serves me correct,

00:54:23.680 Justin Trudeau was the first person to go on

00:54:25.940 and issue a press conference around this

00:54:28.780 and basically confirm this myth.

00:54:31.060 He went immediately on and said,

00:54:33.060 okay, this is something that's occurred.

00:54:35.080 i'm going to apologize on behalf of canada for this national catastrophe and the church responded

00:54:42.440 very quickly you kind of got to remember what had happened before obviously they've had scandals for

00:54:48.220 centuries and the problem became it was also the year after blm so people were very sensitive to

00:54:55.420 racial matters correct and the church was criticized for not responding quick enough

00:55:00.580 so obviously Pope Francis wanted to show how progressive he is and go I'm terribly sorry

00:55:05.320 maybe it happened I can at least say I've apologized but in confirming the narrative

00:55:11.760 it became factual why do you need to prove it now it's like it's there it's useful it's a

00:55:19.360 narrative that's there yeah we did some radar and we found some like little lumps on the radar

00:55:24.640 imaging that we got so it's true so we've established an entire national holiday for

00:55:29.080 at the Truth and Reconciliation Day

00:55:30.720 where flags have flown at half-mast for the entire day.

00:55:34.080 Well, after this, actually, in 2021,

00:55:37.240 I think I read that they flew the flags at half-mast

00:55:40.360 for five months in a row.

00:55:42.320 It was that much of a national tragedy

00:55:44.200 over the fact that a bunch of racial grievance groups

00:55:48.340 found that, oh, there might be some rocks down here.

00:55:51.600 But you see, you're not understanding their logic.

00:55:55.180 And that is, it could have happened.

00:55:56.400 so and maybe it did happen somewhere because this type of thing may have happened so we're

00:56:02.740 apologizing for the theory of what could have happened at some point in some place which

00:56:09.080 probably did happen because we said so and so it's appropriate to flow the flag a half mask

00:56:15.940 airtight airtight airtight i'll go through some of the rumble rants now why was the flaw in this

00:56:22.820 logic. Well, we've only got another half an hour, so I won't get into it. That's a random name,

00:56:30.040 Canadian here. Our government treats the natives like retards, just like the abos in Australia.

00:56:34.980 A lot of them are alcoholics and inbred, not even joking, they're unserial. I can't speak

00:56:40.860 to the veracity of that as I've never been to Canada, but I mean, I wouldn't be too shocked.

00:56:47.740 Logan, Harry, I think you're missing a fundamental part of the reason why this is

00:56:51.920 happening because it didn't fall out from the sky uh communist propaganda uh since the 1950s were

00:56:57.280 the communists also pushing this back in the 50s i wouldn't be shocked because uh the communists

00:57:01.180 were very anti-colonial and canada's kind of a colonial outpost so i wouldn't find it surprising

00:57:06.620 no i wouldn't find it surprising sigil stone germany in canada making it illegal i'm not

00:57:11.660 reading that um anime extremist in germany the holocaust and nazi narrative is the standard tool

00:57:18.300 of the establishment to clamp down on proper nationalists but younger generation millennials

00:57:22.960 and alpha and zed don't give an s anymore good yeah that's right you just can't let them hang

00:57:28.560 these narratives over your head for all of time while they're using them to just hurt you uh

00:57:34.040 your theory is correct harry as a canadian i am no i can't read that one either all right let's move

00:57:39.020 on so right over over to me which is can the west survive south africanization so i'd like to start

00:57:47.160 this section by asking for my royalties because you guys keep using a phrase that i feel we

00:57:52.540 invented four years ago have you got your copyright what's that have you got your copyright notice

00:57:56.260 the south africanization of the west have you patented it i'm gonna need to see some legal

00:58:01.220 documentation there bro i i should have i should have so it's it's very interesting to see what's

00:58:07.380 happened in the west because the west is now experiencing the joys of south africanization

00:58:12.940 that my country has experienced for nigh on 30 years.

00:58:17.660 So I thought that we would actually engage with an article

00:58:21.840 from one of my colleagues, which is Ernest.

00:58:26.120 So Ernest is actually one of the policy directors at AfriForum.

00:58:29.780 If you don't know what AfriForum is, it's basically a civil organization

00:58:34.600 that promotes Africana and minority rights in South Africa.

00:58:39.600 the basic idea there being that um so do africaners get minority rights well they technically are

00:58:48.860 and i appreciate they are a majority but i thought south africa was like one of the only countries

00:58:53.860 where the rights actually go to the majority they do go to the majority in most other countries we

00:59:00.560 protect the minorities and discriminate against the majority but in south africa we we decided

00:59:08.180 it was a good idea to flip that script so right persecute the minorities and we protect the

00:59:13.740 majorities from the minorities i hope that makes sense to you yeah no no but yeah well it does

00:59:20.340 make sense because it's it's all just about like hating white people there is a degree of truth in

00:59:26.580 that and we saw that this year with trump's refugee program where he said well white africaners have a

00:59:33.680 really bad time in south africa he's going to give them refugee status and everybody said wow

00:59:38.500 you can't do that because you know them white people don't really deserve it they they should

00:59:44.460 stay where they are so it was amazing that all the usual individuals who are very very pro refugees

00:59:51.320 welcome here were suddenly refugees not welcome here it was it was telling so let's start off

00:59:59.840 with the south africanization of the west and talk first about as we've already talked about

01:00:05.660 the academia let's start considering that south africanization is already occurring in the west

01:00:12.060 and occurred in things such as the roads must fall campaign you will recall that we had roads must

01:00:21.560 fall everywhere which actually started in cape town the idea was in my country they started

01:00:28.560 throwing feces at the bronze statue of Cecil Rhodes they actually went quite bad so there was

01:00:35.560 a bizarro logic to why they were doing this and it all came are you telling are you telling me it

01:00:43.020 was illogical the bizarro logic for these individuals is that you see Cecil John Rhodes

01:00:50.880 was responsible for colonialism and the current plight of the poor majority in Africa and many

01:00:58.520 of those individuals don't actually have toilets so they have to have these you know like those

01:01:04.880 plastic toilets you see at festivals yes so they all use those and they generally tend to get

01:01:11.640 overfilled and they don't get cleaned so they're kind of gross you can't clean portaloos it's a

01:01:17.300 oh 100 but that would they don't fit but they don't so the idea then was to throw all these

01:01:24.060 feces at the statues and showing their disgust because he was the one responsible for them

01:01:32.000 getting to this poor state when i see people throwing poo it doesn't make me disgusted by

01:01:37.460 the thing that they're throwing it at but the people throwing the poo you'd say Cecil Rhodes

01:01:43.000 is to directly to blame for their lack of plumbing except with farmers and manure of course but if

01:01:49.320 if europeans if europeans never showed up would they have even known what plumbing was

01:01:53.660 this was a suggestion made by the then leader of the democratic alliance the opposition to

01:02:00.560 the anc which was helen zilly and helen had a very hard time because she was cancelled

01:02:06.380 as being a colonizer and actually resulted in even her political party kicking her out from

01:02:13.600 leadership positions because she was untouchable so well she was no longer you couldn't touch her

01:02:18.820 she she was just too dangerous she was a desi now yep so and she actually wrote a book about it

01:02:25.120 afterwards uh called go work go broke and the whole idea there was how to survive cancellations

01:02:32.320 which is ironic because in later years she cancelled other people for doing the very

01:02:36.800 things she got cancelled for oh anyway so this is a do as i say not as i do now the other

01:02:42.660 enjoyment that we are now seeing in the west is the enjoyable experience of theft of copper

01:02:49.160 so in south africa a lot of our infrastructure gets stolen a lot and if you go online you could

01:02:58.160 really entertain yourself for hours and go see how many railway stations have been literally looted

01:03:06.060 i mean everything the roof's gone the windows are gone the tracks are gone and they'll rip out

01:03:12.760 copper wire they'll rip out any form of steel and they'll all go through to a scrap dealer

01:03:18.520 who will give them peanuts for it and they're happy with the peanuts i mean it destroys

01:03:23.820 all forms of infrastructure but hey who cares what do the scrap dealers end up doing with it

01:03:29.440 melt it down i said it's china i heard you guys have apps that when there's going to be a power

01:03:35.220 cut it tells you when the power cut is and the locals have been using that to whenever there's

01:03:39.400 a power cut stripping the power cables this is a hundred percent correct so the power the power

01:03:44.880 assages are a huge problem because they do allow individuals to not get fried when they go out and

01:03:52.620 do it and there are still individuals who are cutting cable when the power does come back on

01:03:56.780 to very enjoyable TikToks, let's just say that.

01:04:00.960 So the reality is that the theft of cable is another one

01:04:09.120 of the South Africanizations that the West is now enjoying.

01:04:13.520 A big one is actually around the power grids

01:04:17.120 because we've had load shedding, as we call it,

01:04:20.820 for a very long time, and you may recall that last year

01:04:25.360 britain send a delegation to south africa to ask them how we deal with load shedding because there

01:04:32.440 was a suggestion that you might have blackouts and actually i will say thank you to to the brits

01:04:39.120 because they taught the south africans something and they said you know that phrase load shedding

01:04:44.600 it's sounds very negative you what you should really do is just like call it saying like

01:04:50.660 grid management reduction that's that sounds really cool so we we are very thankful that we

01:04:58.320 no longer have load shedding in south africa we do however have good management reduction

01:05:03.060 so thank you so much there isn't any so load shedding is this enjoyable experience when

01:05:10.780 they literally turn off your entire city your city has no power and it becomes a green city

01:05:18.100 it's ecological it's ecological 100 percent now where we are currently seeing this in the west

01:05:24.780 is actually in mamdani's new york because they are having good management good management reduction

01:05:32.740 because of the need for air conditioning because it's rather warm over there there are so many

01:05:39.500 enjoyable experiences that we are enriching the west but a key one that i would really like to

01:05:47.560 highlight to you is actually this enjoyable policy we have called BEE, which means Black

01:05:53.840 Economic Empowerment. Is this a form of positive discrimination? It is entirely a form of positive

01:06:00.120 discrimination. So how BEE works is that what we effectively say is we say that the economy

01:06:08.040 is captured by what jacob zuma's government framed as white monopoly capital nobody can

01:06:17.840 actually describe to you what my what monopoly capital is it's one of those articles of faith

01:06:22.320 trust me bro don't ask questions so what monopoly capital means that all companies are owned by

01:06:28.800 white money and effectively what we need to do is we need to transform the economy you're going to

01:06:35.920 hear that word a lot transformation and the way that we are going to transform the economy is by

01:06:41.940 shifting capital to the previously advantaged the white people to the previously disadvantaged

01:06:49.320 the black people and this transformation means that the capital will slowly be

01:06:56.980 reallocated to the black majority which will uplift them and transform their lives because

01:07:03.680 they will effectively use that capital to start businesses install power lines that kind of stuff

01:07:07.880 oh 100 percent ensure a well-functioning society where copper isn't uh stolen like you know it you

01:07:15.480 know it you know it so the way that the state did this is that they came up with a great idea

01:07:21.180 and what the idea was was over regulation they basically used licensing so i know you guys are

01:07:28.740 very keen on saying have you got a license for that well in south africa we also need a license

01:07:34.740 for pretty much anything i'm assuming these licenses are very very expensive they are very

01:07:41.880 expensive but they carry a great requirement which is a beee score so what you have to do is you

01:07:49.940 have to provide a certificate that shows how much of your business is going to be black owned

01:07:55.940 and if you don't have black ownership in your business you better find somebody who you can

01:08:01.680 give black ownership to otherwise you cannot establish that business this is a problem that

01:08:07.100 elon musk himself has had when trying to set up starlink in south africa because he says

01:08:11.700 it's a small starlink obviously it's part of spacex it's multi-billion trillion pound or dollar

01:08:19.240 company you can't just give 30 away that would be ludicrous i mean 30 stake in a company of that

01:08:25.080 side is like the economy of south africa so how do chains work in south africa do you have

01:08:29.860 mcdonald's for example because we do have chains but remember that the individual franchises of

01:08:36.360 oh i see we'll all have to have a be criteria right now interestingly enough the first person

01:08:45.020 in south africa who actually got the distribution rights for mcdonald's was our president sir

01:08:51.960 on Posa. So I wonder how that happened. Anyway. I think it's important to highlight with everything

01:08:59.420 that you're saying there, right? It's not like in better conditions, South Africa couldn't

01:09:06.220 generate electricity. It's not like South Africa couldn't have productive businesses. It's not like

01:09:13.500 South Africa couldn't have economic prosperity. 40, 50 years ago, you did have all of these things

01:09:20.720 and even more. To spot sanctions. Because I remember, was it a nuclear program South Africa

01:09:26.380 had or was it a space program? No, we actually had the bomb. Yes, they had the bomb. We had the bomb.

01:09:32.860 Like 50, 40 years ago, South Africa was able to produce nuclear bombs. It's not that you aren't

01:09:40.000 able to do that because like all of a sudden electricity has just like magically vanished

01:09:45.760 from the part of the world it's literally choices this also sorry these are these are economic

01:09:52.040 political choices that mean that you're just like not allowed to do the you're not allowed to be a

01:09:57.500 prosperous country anymore because um i don't know mbombay over here will feel very very sad if you

01:10:03.560 have a prosperous country well worse than that because you see what actually happened we have

01:10:09.120 to cast our mind back to 1994 so Nelson Mandela won in 94 everybody was very happy now Mandela

01:10:17.180 inherited a state that was largely well majority white run and so he said at the time they also

01:10:26.380 had a GNU they had minorities they had coalitions and his biggest fear was that the coalition would

01:10:32.720 basically dissolve it would break up and you'd have the return of apartheid you would basically

01:10:40.480 have the democratic dispensation would end and you'd go back to what it was before

01:10:45.440 so he didn't want to have drastic changes in his time because he felt that those changes would

01:10:52.780 give impetus to the people that were fearful of what black majority rule could be and that

01:11:00.880 might lead to the end of the coalition if you want to call it that. That all changed with

01:11:06.900 Tal Benbecki in 98. Tal Benbecki came up he got a firm majority and he was like great we're now

01:11:13.760 going to implement change. One of the first changes that he really wanted was he wanted the

01:11:19.080 civil service to be more black. He wanted it to be more representative of the country and so he

01:11:26.480 adopted he was the first guy to come up with this idea of be or affirmative action which involves

01:11:32.460 losing a nuclear bomb well actually the the apartheid government the national party got rid

01:11:38.800 of the bomb before they handed it over to the ends that was probably yes that was the smart move they

01:11:42.920 were like well we're not sure we can trust them with it so just get rid of it and they did they

01:11:47.740 they got rid of the bombs so we do still have uh two two power stations or one power station which

01:11:54.000 is in cape town we can talk about that if we have time but um ultimately what happened when

01:11:59.820 mbeki came in he wanted to replace everybody to transform the economy and his idea was if we could

01:12:10.140 just cut them into some of the business opportunities and we could share the wealth

01:12:13.940 we could get into a form of prosperity and go forward now mbeki was a pragmatist and he was

01:12:20.400 also what you might call a uh a western liberal i don't mean uh an slib like you would describe

01:12:27.200 but i mean a literal classical liberal and underneath his stewardship the economy grew about

01:12:32.960 eight percent it did very well the problem is we then had the financial crash 2008 and as a result

01:12:40.480 jacob zuma was able to come to power and the first thing he did when he came to power he had already

01:12:46.720 been sacked as a corrupt official but when he came to power he came to power with the communist party

01:12:52.400 who basically voted for him to take over and it was jacob zuma's government that ultimately adopted

01:12:58.640 a lot of the communist thinking because his idea was he didn't really want to govern he wanted a

01:13:06.080 a nice laugh and the communists wanted to govern so he left them to govern while he looted the state

01:13:12.080 now you've got to understand that we've got to where we have we've adopted these policies whether

01:13:18.780 they for good intentions or bad intentions we're not here to debate that what we're here to debate

01:13:24.600 is what the actual practical the practical consequences of what happens so now we know

01:13:31.680 to set up a business we need be scoring i need a guy who's going to take 25 30 of the business

01:13:37.840 to get a license i can't have the business without it who do i give it to i give it to

01:13:43.120 tabi down the road or do i give it to the anc politician so the anc politician will say give

01:13:48.360 it to me if you give it to me i'll ensure that you get preferential treatment when it comes through

01:13:53.560 to procurement and on top of that if something goes wrong i'll protect your business i'll send

01:13:59.080 in the police or some security guards we'll we'll keep you protected and this is exactly what

01:14:04.880 happened to Cyril Ramaphosa with Marikana he was given a stake in a in Amman you will recall that

01:14:12.840 we had a event in South Africa called Marikana where the Amman is struck because they said that

01:14:19.700 there was a pay issue and ultimately Cyril Ramaphosa the now president sent in the police

01:14:25.080 and the police got rather heavy-handed with the guns and a number of people were shot

01:14:28.380 so it's still a scandal in south africa today but that's that's the deal you take your percentage

01:14:35.000 you give us forms of protection that worked for a while until you ran out of people that were

01:14:42.680 prepared to pay the brab in other words give the 25 30 percent inefficient people in the business

01:14:51.040 i'm quite impressed by this strategy because normal communism is the state extracts it from

01:14:56.240 the people or the businesses and then puts it to the politicians but this cuts out the middleman

01:15:00.820 it's just it goes directly to the politicians 100 that's quite clever actually so what then

01:15:06.280 happens is that over time these politicians will are you know yanni over there classic africano

01:15:15.500 name he's giving us this 25 we we've got this the wrong way around if we establish the company

01:15:24.180 and we give yanni the 25 then we can have the main license and we've got the majority of the money

01:15:31.040 and so this is the strategy they then adopted but over time yanni looked at it going i can't

01:15:38.820 run this thing because you're taking 70 of the cash i've got like 30 to run the whole thing

01:15:44.940 can't do it on 30 so i'm out so they were like you know my cousin twice removed he's just got

01:15:54.160 married and he could really do with the business and he thinks that he could probably do like

01:15:59.940 asphalt on the ground he could just retire the road so if he sets up the retiring company we

01:16:05.900 can keep it all in the family problem is he's never started around his life he doesn't know

01:16:10.360 what he's doing and may not actually turn up for work or do anything very likely doesn't stop you

01:16:14.920 from awarding him the contract though 100 and that is exactly what's happened which is now what's led

01:16:21.220 to the complete decline of South Africa because before things were corrupt money would move around

01:16:28.200 now nothing gets done at all so it is not uncommon in places like Durban or KwaZulu-Natal

01:16:37.520 this is a true story a guy will get awarded a contract to dig up a road and retar it

01:16:42.880 so he'll go out there he'll keep the 70 percent he'll have a nice new house and a new car

01:16:49.000 does all the usual things that he does and then what will happen is he'll dig up the road

01:16:53.420 money's gone and he flips you've got no road i noticed there's the twitter account josie versus

01:17:01.460 josie that's the one where it's the before and after images in it i've seen plenty plenty like

01:17:06.420 that and oftentimes in the after photos what's left of the of the tarmac will be being dug up

01:17:12.200 by people who i assume are going to try and sell it for something but i i also remember last year

01:17:18.280 where i interviewed you where we discussed you know what south africa teaches the west you

01:17:23.240 mentioned that there was a very uh vibrant port and there was a railway that was that was connected

01:17:30.780 that was sending all the cargo to the port and it was stolen and the port now isn't so vibrant

01:17:37.540 that's correct so there'll be there'll be rich's bay now a very interesting thing that we would

01:17:43.440 generally tend to see in those scenarios is that in that instance as you mentioned coal and that

01:17:49.960 that that supply train people have realized that the south african rand globally when you

01:17:57.680 convert it into a real currency like dollars or pounds you don't doesn't really go that far

01:18:02.640 look if you can live in pounds if you can earn in pounds and go live in rands great life but to take

01:18:09.020 your currency to the rest of the world it's a bit difficult so what you really want to do is you want

01:18:13.560 to earn foreign currency and convert it back into rands then you live like a king right so you now

01:18:20.800 have a coal business and your coal business has got to provide coal to escom the national supplier

01:18:27.780 which also has a shed load of regulations or you could sell that same coal to germany and earn

01:18:37.200 euros what would you do well the logical step is i'm going to sell it to i'm going to sell it to

01:18:42.800 germany but that's going to take a while to get your cash because it's going to have to go on the

01:18:46.720 boat the boat's going to have travel there and then they're going to have to check the quality

01:18:49.920 and shift out the rocks from the actual coal because that's what happens you need quick cash

01:18:55.960 flow as well so what do you do you send all the good stuff to germany and you go okay

01:19:00.280 all the absolute garbage that you probably shouldn't burn we'll sell that to escom

01:19:06.400 now escom has had a form of transformation transformation where they've taken out

01:19:13.240 competent people and appointed people based on racial criteria they get this absolute garbage

01:19:20.060 coal do they vet it no go straight in the burners what ends up happening the burners pile up with

01:19:26.160 rocks so the burners collapse what happens you get load shedding all of this can be traced to

01:19:32.980 one central issue and that is removing forms of competency from the state and doing forms of

01:19:41.540 engineering to re-engineer the state through the government's hands to have a form of demographic

01:19:48.880 demographic reflection based on what the government wants so the thing i've always

01:19:53.800 wondered with south africa is i mean it's obviously just gonna i always say i don't

01:19:59.020 believe in accelerationism because look at south africa you can always accelerate down you can

01:20:03.020 always continue to go down and it seems fairly clear to me that south africa is just going to

01:20:07.640 continue down this downward path until it is literally huts i mean it's it's it's gonna it's

01:20:16.020 gonna look like any other undeveloped african country because that's what the population can

01:20:19.780 can maintain so what options do the white population in south africa have can they leave

01:20:27.220 Can they treat you to Hawaiianas or what?

01:20:30.400 Well, of course they can leave, but the biggest problem is, and go where?

01:20:35.580 Because the problem is now, as you see in London,

01:20:38.560 let's use London as an example, obviously we're in the UK.

01:20:42.380 Let's use a classic example in the UK.

01:20:44.660 I don't know if you've ever tried to get a job in London.

01:20:46.840 London was always very prestigious.

01:20:50.080 If you wanted to work in London, you basically had to live in London.

01:20:52.740 If you were in the outer counties and you tried to get a job in London,

01:20:55.880 they generally kind of look down at you and be like well london recruits from london what's

01:21:00.080 actually in london well you got all your main ministries you got your regulators you got the

01:21:04.520 bbc you got the media government departments politicians they're all in london what do you

01:21:10.880 know about the demographic composition of london it's not very british is it it's very um diverse

01:21:18.600 as you as you know now the reality is if london prefers london and london only recruits from

01:21:25.460 london and london is very diverse it should be very obvious that the people that you are recruiting

01:21:31.440 to all of your major bodies are all going to be diverse and you're pulling people from countries

01:21:40.180 like mine that are taught from a very young age that societies and economies need to be

01:21:49.080 transformed because of historical injustices in fact you've just talked about that even

01:21:54.560 to an inner degree in canada so what do you then find occurring in places like london well some of

01:22:02.680 the regulators now talking about quotas and how many people do you hire in certain positions how

01:22:09.980 diverse are your boards so the south africanization is occurring in places like britain you've seen

01:22:17.600 programs where you need to be from a minority background in order to apply for them bbc and

01:22:22.600 scholarships and so forth well just be clear in south africa as we've already covered

01:22:26.120 that minority protection applies even when you become the majority so it is actually an anti-white

01:22:32.780 series of protections it's not majority minority 100 and i would i would challenge you and i would

01:22:39.920 ask the question in 2060 you you gave the date when things shift do you think that there will

01:22:48.140 be protectionism of white jobs no i think the anti-white protections will become even stronger

01:22:54.340 than they are now and it will be done on the basis of you need to protect the majority

01:22:58.500 from the because they were the previously disadvantaged yes against the so i mean i

01:23:05.080 can't see any necessary reason but what's your prescription as to why britain in 2070 won't also

01:23:10.340 have and you need to give 30 of your business to a black person or whatever a government minister

01:23:17.540 in order to be able to have your business do you see the basically do you think we're just 50 years

01:23:22.620 behind yeah i do because when i look at all the countries around the world a good example of where

01:23:30.580 you can see this right now is california california has south african style policies right now around

01:23:38.840 compositions of the boards and ownership of companies right so it's already going to other

01:23:45.880 countries and first world countries it's already occurring so you're saying you know yes the white

01:23:50.960 population of south africa realizes serious problems but if if they move to anywhere in

01:23:56.060 europe or america well it's just their kids will get it the same instead of them are you optimistic

01:24:04.060 at all about south africa because for instance in this article ernst is a bit optimistic towards

01:24:09.600 the end do you share his optimism i do share his optimism because both in both him and i see the

01:24:16.980 positive side of south africanization but it's going to be 50 years in the future and now we're

01:24:23.440 already along that track and that is that the governments cannot sustain this there will come

01:24:29.980 a time where absolutely everything is dead and you have to start again but in starting again

01:24:36.980 you start independent of the state so i say to a lot of my own my own south african individuals

01:24:44.840 it's like one of the biggest problems you have in the united kingdom at the moment is everything

01:24:49.680 works if you want to go on a digital currency you probably could we come we don't even have

01:24:55.280 electricity how are you going to transact like there's no there's no electricity i mean maybe

01:24:59.840 14 hours a day you can use the electric currency maybe and then what the rest we're going to have

01:25:06.400 to use i don't know rocks you write down on little pieces of paper saying i owe you this much digital

01:25:13.000 currency and then little pieces of paper become the money again yeah well exactly so the the other

01:25:19.300 side of things is that our state is so inept that we don't have a functioning army and we don't have

01:25:26.260 a functioning police force it is not uncommon i'm sure you know we have private security that

01:25:30.500 protects homes it is not uncommon to drive past a police station going this police station is

01:25:35.540 protected by ADT private security that happens too so the reality is like in terms of freedom of

01:25:42.080 speech do we have speech laws no worse than anywhere else I suppose I mean we're not Britain

01:25:48.340 yet but the reality is that even if we had the most draconian laws our police vans don't work

01:25:56.520 they probably broken down the majority of places only have four vans three of them are dead and

01:26:03.820 the other one the guy's using to take his girlfriend around so he ain't coming to arrest

01:26:08.180 you i mean police officers are on common allocated like 15 bullets a year honestly part of this just

01:26:15.360 sounds like you're living out in the wild west there is a part that we are so and there's a

01:26:20.740 free there is a degree of freedom in that so is it possibly that the afrikaans are thinking to

01:26:25.740 themselves it's it's quicker to wait for the south african government to implode completely

01:26:32.640 and start a new state than it is to go to britain and watch the whole thing play out again over 50

01:26:39.360 years and then have to come back yeah i mean so i might i might as well just stay in south africa

01:26:43.640 and then start an oriano or or whatever it is orana orania as a model is now like the future

01:26:50.720 of south africa is you create these independent enclaves where you basically have it as a state

01:26:56.220 within a state our constitution does allow that our constitution allows a state within a state

01:27:01.620 unless it's a white state in which case it's completely racist and bulldoze it my only my

01:27:05.840 only concern is is that if the because i know the south african model is basically the white people

01:27:10.900 pay all the taxes and then they distribute a pittance to the black population but that pittance

01:27:16.300 is just enough to keep them fed if the state collapses entirely can these independent towns

01:27:23.660 survive when a million people turn up looking to take everything they have so the the amusing part

01:27:29.640 about that is that and this is again one of the problems i think that south africanization will

01:27:34.900 bring to places like britain when our power goes off for eight hours a day we go it's tuesday when

01:27:43.040 your power goes off for 20 minutes the local jd sports gets vandalized and they steal everything

01:27:49.160 and they they lose their mind you've got a national inquiry here you know the pm's on tv

01:27:55.420 talking about like oh we don't know how this happened for us it's like for for us you still

01:28:02.080 see people here whose shops are being vandalized and the police is told by bureaucrats to basically

01:28:10.040 do nothing yeah even with the power on yeah so how you would cope with what we have don't know

01:28:17.000 at least we still got our firearms for now so but can the africanus survive a collapse of the state

01:28:23.820 because you're heavily outnumbered.

01:28:25.580 The point is the state has collapsed.

01:28:27.880 You just don't know it.

01:28:29.000 But they're still getting at least some payments.

01:28:32.080 I mean, it just sounds like bribes.

01:28:33.540 It just sounds like individual people going bribe me

01:28:38.660 and people going along with it.

01:28:39.880 I mean, I've spoken to some South Africans who I know

01:28:44.200 who've all basically said,

01:28:45.720 well, actually, if you're a white South African,

01:28:48.120 you can still live a pretty good life

01:28:50.540 as long as you have high walls and a source of electricity to power your electric fences

01:28:56.360 you have to become state proof you have to literally create your entire life independent

01:29:02.300 of the state solar on your house borehole with filtrations have a have your own firearm your

01:29:09.160 own security protect yourself everything else you need outside of that use third parties so use

01:29:17.340 private entities you want health go to a private entity you want school go to a private entity

01:29:22.080 you literally divorce yourself from the state to the point where if you ask me what is my

01:29:27.940 interaction with the state i'd say i don't have any i pay them taxes that's it but it must feel

01:29:34.220 like living in a zoo except the other way around where you're in the cage and the wild animals are

01:29:38.320 roaming around the cage sometimes and sometimes not depending on who you are and the way that

01:29:44.520 you view it so yes there is a criticism that some people do say that they end up having to then live

01:29:50.600 in their own little bubble and that bubble is divorced from the larger country as a whole

01:29:55.760 and there's this as you say there's a fear that one day people will come on mass to burst your

01:30:01.140 bubble but everybody's in a bubble and everybody's learned how to to deal with this and where do you

01:30:09.140 think this this goes because like you say you're 50 years ahead of us it'd be interesting to know

01:30:12.760 where you think we're going to be in 60 years time or where south africans could be in 10 years is it

01:30:17.120 going to be like a whole series of mini city states or cape independence or what does it look

01:30:22.860 like the future independence i don't see i know there's a lot of south africans that wanted to

01:30:27.980 become a reality i don't ever see it being a reality for political reasons um but the idea

01:30:35.360 already is that we have a number of constitutional courts that actually allow little cities to almost

01:30:39.960 self-govern like enclaves like little mini towns so the mini towns all they've had all their service

01:30:46.120 delivery it's failed the government's being kicked out because the constitutional court has even

01:30:50.960 kicked them out on the basis that they just can't provide services and so they allow private

01:30:55.360 individuals to set up their own little entities and run them so that is the future now where does

01:31:01.560 that leave you or britain in 50 years from now going down the same route and you can already see

01:31:09.460 because south africa started with lawlessness with potholes seems like the most insignificant

01:31:17.140 thing when they were no longer to able to cut the verges and at least tar over potholes that's

01:31:25.980 where you started to see that the funds disappeared and i will say that driving here i noticed a lot

01:31:32.160 of potholes and a lot of verges they weren't cut we know where this goes next you we saw rising

01:31:38.420 unemployment as businesses left unemployment on the rise in the uk so what we also saw is mass

01:31:48.080 migration we've had mass migration we had it from africa they all came down you guys have got mass

01:31:54.240 migration from asia so we have experienced everything that you've experienced and i can

01:32:03.080 tell you all of the symptoms but i can tell you also what happens such as with mass migration

01:32:08.040 one of the other topics you talked about we have xenophobic riots as a normal everyday occurrence

01:32:15.480 the government doesn't even blink an eye anymore foreigners must leave the police chanted they do

01:32:22.440 not want foreigners they were if they see a foreigner owns a shop they burn the shop down

01:32:28.120 if they see a person in the street that they know is from malawi or zimbabwe it's not uncommon for

01:32:34.360 those people to return home with a few broken limbs so there is a real push to to expel them

01:32:43.960 britain will be culturally enriched by south africa with south africanization with time

01:32:51.880 you're just further down the track right um so uh nice and rosy at least 100 or 200 years time

01:32:59.560 we'll be all right on the other end of this though it's gonna be a rumpy ride right so uh

01:33:04.280 Byron people can find you on your channel right correct this is a shot

01:33:11.800 right so definitely go and subscribe to Byron's channel also check out the interview uh we did

01:33:18.920 last year what South Africa teaches the West and let's go to read some of the comments from our

01:33:25.240 website dan do you want to start with yours oh yes um we did also get some rumble rants uh for that

01:33:32.360 one uh let's uh someone sent in anime extreme has sent in ten dollars saying uh hope for europe but

01:33:37.880 american will balkanize i think what helps europe is there are a lot of pro-nativist groups co-ops

01:33:42.840 and mutual aid in the us uh there's patriot front and that's it uh base tape saying that he was

01:33:48.280 saying the same as you were saying about the morocco spain situation it's incredible how fast

01:33:53.000 the left become ethno-nationalists when talking about non-western countries how dare your race

01:33:57.080 be on their land despite all nobody being illegal uh how's irania doing and are the government trying

01:34:02.920 to dis irania sorry are they are the government trying to destroy it yes and the orania aren't

01:34:09.840 the only one they happen to be the biggest there's another one outside of gauteng which is called

01:34:14.860 kleinfontein and the government did actually able to they were a successful in shutting that down

01:34:20.540 but there is a large push with urania is a sensitive topic because we have like the the

01:34:26.940 super left-leaning politicians go there and then they're like actually the model of urania is very

01:34:32.020 socialist they like it because they're like oh look it's socialism in action seems to be working

01:34:36.880 but then at the same time as what people make it work and so they're like oh we like it we hate it

01:34:43.240 are there other proto-uranias popping up yeah okay so so if you want to survive as a white

01:34:49.560 enclave in south africa you just throw up a few red star flags and maybe you'll be able to get

01:34:54.680 along yeah basically just just be like when they enter you say hammer and circle yeah you put the

01:34:59.920 hammer and circle you say hello com greetings comrade when they walk in and they'll get oh

01:35:04.820 actually it's it's it is a real thing because the urania model is very kind of socialistic if you've

01:35:11.680 seen the full model the way that they've structured it together and it's like the communists go there

01:35:17.440 and they're like oh it's white kill it and then they're like oh but it's communism so they do

01:35:22.640 walk away going it's a topic for tomorrow like let's just ignore it for now so it's like one of

01:35:28.500 those useful things that every time a politician says ah we need to kill apartheid you know that

01:35:33.340 useful tool that comes back they focus on orania but largely they don't really want to touch it

01:35:39.940 because it's also the model they want it's very weird interesting we'll go through the uh dan

01:35:46.300 let's read some of your comments uh read them or do you want me to read them uh let's we we've been

01:35:53.500 low on time so i'll just skim yeah we've already got over time but worth it though yeah um yeah

01:35:58.780 cumbrian kulak says uh zee yusuf is has been getting pushed out of reform by the establishments

01:36:04.060 type he is irrelevant but trying to survive that's why he seems reasonable yeah um i mean

01:36:10.620 policy wise i mean on the written word i actually quite like him but uh but yeah there was definitely

01:36:16.060 that thing where he's he's trying to be squeezed out by the factions in reform and reform just

01:36:20.580 can't stop shedding everybody one inch to the right of farage which is a habit they've got

01:36:25.560 to get out of if they if they want to survive um that's a random name says if farage actually

01:36:32.520 accepts rupert's deal rupert should get him arrested um okay yeah should we go to yours

01:36:40.360 uh yeah i'll go through a couple of mine animos can canada has serious wildfires going on right

01:36:45.020 now many canadian churches have been victimized by arsonists i wonder if there is a coincidence

01:36:49.380 well art like fires don't start from nowhere um we know that from california justin b she denied

01:36:56.640 something that hasn't been proven and lost her job you're confused stelios after covid the climate

01:37:01.820 con pretty much every black man murdered by cops the ice murders etc uh henry ashman branding

01:37:07.020 people as a denier also helps to push the presumption that this is automatically true

01:37:10.640 and definitely happened. That's absolutely correct. Myrmidon, if the Canadians are looking

01:37:17.020 for something to be guilty about, they can be guilty for being French. This is in British

01:37:20.520 Columbia. These are the English Canadians. David Ward, not a single victim found in any of the

01:37:27.140 mass graves of the one that they've actually excavated. Random name, doesn't being tenured

01:37:32.720 mean you can't just be removed from your position. It should do, but I believe that's why they had to

01:37:37.340 go to an academic board who decide who made the decision it's a lot more difficult to be removed

01:37:42.320 right so michael drabelby says one of the best videos on youtube is of a chinese contractor

01:37:47.220 part of china's belt on road initiative absolutely berating his african counterpart

01:37:52.080 for destroying the infrastructure that was left by the colonial governments it's not just hysterical

01:37:57.000 it's also educational that's from the um it's also tiresome yes the also tiresome meme what

01:38:02.700 what was it what i've forgotten the name of the documentary all of a sudden the documentary in

01:38:06.180 is well worth watching yes omer awad says it's like calgo cult governance as long as they can

01:38:12.020 steal or replicate the shape there's a belief the underlying functionality will follow magic dirt

01:38:17.340 magic economy is all the same thing uh canis familiaris says is the south african government

01:38:23.620 even competent enough to bulldoze urania like even even if they don't that was when you were

01:38:29.200 talking about it when you were when they were saying are they going to try and destroy urania

01:38:32.160 my main thought was can they well that would be the question with what because you know and last

01:38:39.440 comment by that's a random name who is siuta's latest arrival so basically south africa is the

01:38:47.740 future where the white working class is completely left to fend for itself against the diverse hordes

01:38:52.600 meanwhile the middle class are only able to survive in their tiny fortified enclaves lovely

01:38:57.960 that's pretty much accurate yes right so we have come to the end of our podcast thank you

01:39:04.940 very much byron thank you for having me it was a pleasure so see you tomorrow at 1 p.m

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 04, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1476

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