The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1481

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters sorry we're slightly late but i was arguing with

00:00:04.400 grok and i had to call it a faggot in the end so um with that let's get started um today oh yeah

00:00:10.140 actually today is um podcast 1481 we're getting very close um it's it's myself stelios and connor

00:00:17.540 hello it is the 11th of august year of our lord 2026 and we're going to be discussing um the

00:00:24.460 telegraph um also the telegraph uh and what what else was the last one uh the telegraph article

00:00:30.800 about jason and the telegraph there we go no we are going to give the benefit of the doubt to

00:00:35.840 jason our day because i think he's innocent he spelled that is that the guy i can is that the

00:00:42.000 guy that made a professor he was a professor he was a professor and he'll be back right okay

00:00:47.540 well excellent that'd be good

00:00:48.920 I think that's it really

00:00:52.220 oh maybe by the Islander

00:00:53.860 and with that we can begin I guess

00:00:55.740 yes we can

00:00:56.480 it's been about a week since Rupert Lowe proposed a pact

00:01:00.060 between Restore Britain and Reform UK

00:01:01.800 and well it's not going very well

00:01:04.000 and it's mainly due to the malfeasance

00:01:06.180 of the Telegraph crashing out

00:01:08.060 over the course of about

00:01:09.960 the last four or five days

00:01:12.300 it does seem to be a proper hissy fit

00:01:14.220 yeah

00:01:14.820 Yeah, there's just a non-stop diatribe of attack pieces on Restore Britain

00:01:19.880 that are getting increasingly unhinged.

00:01:22.340 And so we're just going to go over it.

00:01:23.660 But if you don't want to find yourself on this little island

00:01:26.720 surrounded by rising tides, much like the Telegraph are,

00:01:30.100 and they're increasingly unpopular opinions,

00:01:31.900 you can read the contents of Islander.

00:01:33.840 And you can buy a copy while stocks last over at shop.lotuses.com.

00:01:38.560 They will not be reprinted, so this is a limited edition item,

00:01:41.720 and Rory's put a lot of love and work into it.

00:01:43.480 So go support us and Rory's hard work.

00:01:46.460 So as an update, this happened a couple of days ago.

00:01:49.640 The Telegraph decided to quote an anonymous reform spokesperson who said we will have

00:01:56.220 no collaboration with Restore Britain as long as Charlie Downs, co-founder, lead spokesman,

00:02:02.220 mogging them to death in that photo they took of him back when they were profiling him as

00:02:05.760 a young reform supporter.

00:02:06.800 So this was actually just in the Telegraph's archives, funnily enough.

00:02:09.420 We won't actually work with them until Charlie Downs is sacked.

00:02:12.160 Now, I spoke to a source within Reform, who was fairly senior, and they were keen to stress that that quote in this article here did not come from Reform's press office, and they thought they had a mole within the camp trying to sabotage any accord between Restore and Reform.

00:02:28.600 So it sounded for a little while like they were like, well, this isn't on us, we haven't made such a demand.

00:02:33.160 The thing is, though, if it is true, it is quite a complimentary claim

00:02:37.260 because what they're basically saying is that Rupert was saying

00:02:41.100 he doesn't want any ex-Tory ministers and there's 13 of them

00:02:43.840 and there's one Charlie, so they're basically setting the exchange rate

00:02:47.640 of Tory ministers to based Zoomers as being 13 to 1.

00:02:52.600 I think Charlie should quite like that.

00:02:54.440 What I thought was quite conspicuous as well is up until this point,

00:02:58.040 what has Nigel Farage said about his conditions for working with Rupert Lowe?

00:03:02.840 He's kept the door open

00:03:03.640 despite some bickering over

00:03:04.700 who should call who

00:03:05.460 like they're teenage girls.

00:03:07.100 But he said,

00:03:07.640 I'm not going to kick out

00:03:08.700 Suella Braveman.

00:03:09.940 Okay?

00:03:10.240 So the failed Tory ministers

00:03:11.300 they didn't name,

00:03:12.420 but Rupert did name in his post,

00:03:13.780 were Nadim Zahawi

00:03:15.020 and Nadine Dorries,

00:03:16.180 who I...

00:03:16.900 Yeah, obviously.

00:03:17.560 Obviously you don't want them in.

00:03:18.700 And I have it on good authority

00:03:19.600 that they're not exactly

00:03:20.240 the most popular

00:03:20.840 among some of Reform's leadership either

00:03:22.120 and they would quite like

00:03:22.900 for them to leave of their own accord

00:03:24.120 and save them the embarrassment.

00:03:25.340 Right.

00:03:25.500 So, okay, that can be negotiated.

00:03:26.860 Yes.

00:03:27.140 And if you notice,

00:03:28.400 despite our misgivings

00:03:29.660 about Farage's previous

00:03:30.980 inconsistent statements

00:03:32.080 on demographic security,

00:03:33.360 he didn't countersign

00:03:34.440 Rupert on demographic security.

00:03:35.660 He didn't mention it,

00:03:37.020 but he didn't say

00:03:37.540 it was beyond the pale,

00:03:38.440 which I thought was fascinating.

00:03:39.880 That is interesting.

00:03:41.220 And then Farage came out

00:03:43.120 and said at the press conference

00:03:43.940 that we need to sack Charlie down.

00:03:46.380 And he was saying,

00:03:47.280 oh, I've been fighting

00:03:47.860 the far right for all of my life.

00:03:50.240 And this was frustrating

00:03:52.120 and disappointing.

00:03:53.040 Because yet again,

00:03:54.320 hasn't learned

00:03:55.020 that they are laying the trap

00:03:56.740 for Restore Britain

00:03:57.460 so that you can also step in it.

00:03:58.980 Because these are

00:03:59.700 the exact accusations

00:04:00.740 that Farage was facing

00:04:01.840 in November of last year when they pulled out some random ex-classmate who claimed he was making

00:04:06.160 Holocaust jokes. So Farage himself was fending off all of these spurious accusations just short

00:04:12.880 of a year ago and is now giving them extra life and they will be used against him. And as well,

00:04:17.020 if you jump with two feet into this bear trap, it will close around you and the people setting

00:04:20.880 the trap just want you to form an alliance with the Conservatives. That's why they want to clear

00:04:25.100 Restore Britain out the way. Alistair Heath has been saying as such in his articles and his GB

00:04:29.120 news appearances. So it's annoying that they fell for this. So then Richard Tice came out and said

00:04:35.460 the obvious. He was on Kevin O'Sullivan's show on Talk TV, and you can always count on Richard Tice

00:04:40.780 to make a situation worse. He decides to say this, and I'm just going to play the clip.

00:04:46.160 ...said on your station and elsewhere by the co-founder goes way beyond testing the boundaries,

00:04:52.320 And we will have nothing to do with anybody who demonstrates such anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic attitude and comments, nothing at all, as you would expect and demand and rightly so.

00:05:10.100 So, frankly, that's just our...

00:05:15.340 That's a red line for you. Do you think...

00:05:17.900 It's like a massive, massive red line wall mountain.

00:05:24.240 Let's talk about which wall, of course.

00:05:26.880 Bear in mind, at the moment, Richard Toys is currently being investigated

00:05:29.760 for a breach of parliamentary standards

00:05:31.300 because he took an undeclared paid trip to Israel

00:05:34.220 while speaking supportively about Israel.

00:05:35.780 Now, I don't think that means that he is supportive of Israel

00:05:39.320 because he's being paid by Israel.

00:05:40.700 I think he's just supportive of Israel and got a trip

00:05:42.580 because he is supportive of Israel.

00:05:44.580 You're still getting paid by them.

00:05:47.900 he's at least getting in-kind contributions,

00:05:50.320 if not being directly paid.

00:05:52.200 But if you wanted to acquit yourself of

00:05:54.200 the charges that The Telegraph is saying

00:05:56.100 that Charlie Downs has said about you,

00:05:59.040 which he hasn't actually said,

00:06:00.400 which is that you have been bought by the Israeli lobby,

00:06:03.220 then saying that not supporting Israel is our red line

00:06:06.760 rather than demographic security,

00:06:08.780 rather than anything to do with Britain's national interest,

00:06:12.260 doesn't exactly acquit you.

00:06:13.580 Like, for me, I would rather we didn't talk about Israel at all.

00:06:16.800 I would rather think about it as much as I do Mozambique.

00:06:19.600 But unfortunately, it seems to be the gravity well

00:06:21.720 around which our entire domestic politics orbits.

00:06:24.700 And so we just have to talk a lot of the industry about it.

00:06:26.920 Imagine you were walking down the street

00:06:28.200 and you accidentally found yourself going through some interdimensional portal

00:06:30.920 and on the other side, they were absolutely obsessed with Peru.

00:06:34.900 Yeah.

00:06:35.800 You'd be like, guys, why are we doing this?

00:06:40.560 We can't stand for this anti-Peruvian bigotry.

00:06:42.500 Yeah, it's just, if your head isn't completely in, I've got to think about the Middle East all the time, to us it just looks weird.

00:06:52.020 And it looks especially weird when they're saying, how dare you say that our party is run according to what benefits Israel?

00:07:02.380 Or how dare you say that the Jewish people in our party have undue influence over you?

00:07:06.680 and it looks really weird when then there's a there's a massive pile on

00:07:10.940 Tice shared an article that we'll go over later but whatever um massive pile on by the Jewish

00:07:16.260 Chronicle saying for the crime of not expelling Charlie Downs for allegedly making that accusation

00:07:21.660 which he hasn't said the Jewish Chronicle then demands that Rupert Lowe be kicked off the

00:07:25.440 parliamentary uh committee that the conservatives appointed him to so how dare you say that our

00:07:32.460 politics and to our party is run

00:07:34.440 according to that which benefits Israel, for saying

00:07:36.620 that, you need to be expelled from

00:07:38.500 your parliamentary committee because you're anti-Semitic.

00:07:40.460 It does sound like if you're suggesting that

00:07:42.560 the Jewish network has

00:07:44.440 a lot of power, if you're saying that,

00:07:46.800 well, we will get you sacked from everything.

00:07:48.760 Which doesn't exactly

00:07:50.260 equip people of the charge. And it also doesn't

00:07:52.620 endear Jewish groups to the

00:07:54.400 right-wing cause. So it creates a self-fulfilling

00:07:56.520 prophecy of, you're

00:07:58.420 siding against the people that say, for example,

00:08:00.900 I want to deport all the Muslims that happen to

00:08:02.400 be stabbing Jews in gold as green in Manchester, which then they go, well, why are you allying

00:08:07.180 with them? You seem to be siding against us and allying with people that want to kill you.

00:08:10.520 That's weird. And they go, see, you're accusing us of being your enemy. That's anti-Semitic.

00:08:14.360 And you just follow the circle round and round and round. Now, how did we get here? How did

00:08:17.320 this get sabotaged? Well, it started with the Telegraph, started with Alistair Heath piece

00:08:20.080 saying that Rupert Lowe's racist cheerleaders, no, this was Rupert Lowe must reject, Farage

00:08:25.620 must reject Rupert Lowe's repugnant dance with white nationalism. And it ended with

00:08:29.200 Kemi and Farage must unite for a centre-right coalition of civic nationalism.

00:08:33.440 Yes.

00:08:34.000 Then there was another one.

00:08:35.380 So Heath got a lot of heat for that piece from me, you lot, Lander.

00:08:40.240 And so he decided to do a follow-up where he decided to actually defend the double standard

00:08:44.480 of saying, I am an ardent nationalist for Israel,

00:08:48.160 previously describing Israel as divine nationalism,

00:08:52.280 previously saying, I don't understand how every British politician isn't a Zionist.

00:08:56.180 It's a simple proposition that Jews deserve their own country,

00:08:59.200 and it doesn't matter whether you're left or right,

00:09:01.100 the one thing we have to agree on

00:09:02.500 is that Israel should be a country for Jewish people.

00:09:05.680 And then when people say,

00:09:06.760 well, why don't you want the same thing for Britain

00:09:08.020 and why are you calling it racist

00:09:09.080 if that works and you like that?

00:09:11.120 He then attempted to defend that double standard.

00:09:14.140 Like, it's just perplexing.

00:09:15.720 I mean, we shouldn't have to engage with this argument

00:09:17.280 because actually me becoming a hated minority

00:09:20.020 in my own country against my wishes is not up for debate.

00:09:22.120 I can kind of feel my inner Oliver Twist coming through

00:09:25.160 and he's like, please, sir,

00:09:26.460 can I have some divine nationalism?

00:09:29.200 Like, no, you can't.

00:09:30.500 Why not?

00:09:31.180 If it's on the table,

00:09:32.260 and you're just prohibiting it for us,

00:09:35.360 then it just looks spiteful.

00:09:37.760 There's no other way to put it.

00:09:39.300 And then, this was the piece that was then launched.

00:09:42.840 Conor, what is his rationale for saying it's divine nationalism?

00:09:46.840 Because it's one thing to say that this is the implicit point,

00:09:52.940 and quite another if this is his explicit point.

00:09:55.480 Does he have any rationale for it?

00:09:58.300 Okay, so that was his actual quote.

00:10:00.940 His rationale is that the Jewish people have been expelled,

00:10:04.780 persecuted throughout all of history.

00:10:06.840 This is their land from how many years ago,

00:10:08.980 and they've come back and reclaimed it and rejuvenated it

00:10:11.260 and made it the only thriving democracy in the Middle East,

00:10:13.000 therefore isn't it to be celebrated.

00:10:14.300 And it's like, okay, fine, fair enough.

00:10:16.520 Why can't we do the same?

00:10:17.580 Because if expulsion and being a mistreated minority

00:10:20.460 and being chased out of your own territory

00:10:22.040 is an undesirable fate for Jewish people, fine, I accept that,

00:10:25.260 then why should it be embraced when it happens to us?

00:10:28.300 If we can foresee us befalling the same fate,

00:10:31.720 wouldn't it be smart to avert that fate?

00:10:34.040 And Alistair, he thinks, no, you're a racist.

00:10:37.020 So if you think...

00:10:37.760 It's the same thing.

00:10:38.700 It's exactly the same thing.

00:10:40.200 And trying to say it's not just makes you look

00:10:42.800 completely inconsistent and not credible.

00:10:45.080 Yes.

00:10:45.520 So anyway, the reason that Farage and Tice

00:10:48.800 have set this ultimatum is because of this piece.

00:10:51.100 Restore co-founder, quote,

00:10:52.740 suggested Farage had been bought by Jews.

00:10:54.240 Now that's in scare quotes.

00:10:55.480 Where did that scare quote come from?

00:10:57.420 Well, it came from a chap called Alex Hearn, who, it will not surprise you to learn, is

00:11:03.540 a spokesman for Labour Against Anti-Semitism.

00:11:05.760 So the Telegraph have resorted to quoting an ethnic and Labour partisan to attack Restore

00:11:13.560 Britain here, to try to block a merger between, or a pact between, Restore and Reform, to

00:11:19.400 perform political necromancy on the Tories at the next election.

00:11:22.760 So Hearn says,

00:11:23.540 Restore Britain's spokesman insinuated that Nigel Farage had been bought by Jews.

00:11:27.900 Thank you for mind reading.

00:11:29.300 The oldest smear about money and influence delivered us a picture so that nothing could

00:11:32.100 be quoted back at him.

00:11:32.920 It's not an aberration.

00:11:33.820 Downs has said his party believes Britain is a people defined by indigenous British

00:11:36.800 ancestry and Christian faith, a definition under which no Jew and no other minority can

00:11:41.240 be British, however many generations we have been here.

00:11:43.960 Now, in the previous piece by Alistair Heath, he acknowledges that Israel has an ethnic

00:11:49.760 definition of Judaism because it has a right of return and anyone who has at least one Jewish

00:11:54.300 grandparent is entitled to move to Israel. Funnily enough, I've got a segment about that coming up.

00:11:58.460 Oh, excellent. So we'll get onto that in a bit then. So I would never be recognised as Jewish

00:12:03.280 if I moved to Israel and didn't have any Jewish children and had no Jewish ancestry. And that's

00:12:09.360 fine for them to identify their identity that way. But we are not allowed to identify our own

00:12:14.160 identity as something exclusive, even if that doesn't mean mistreating people with other

00:12:17.920 identities. Instead, we just get called mean names and have the Telegraph write endless hit pieces

00:12:22.100 about anyone who thinks that way. Now, we would think, okay, Labour partisan, Telegraph clearly

00:12:28.640 has an agenda here. Who cares? Well, this got amplified and he was interviewed by, yes, he looks

00:12:33.280 like Ros from Monsters, Inc. He was interviewed by Alex Phillips on Talk. And this led to a pretty

00:12:38.380 horrendous YouTube thumbnail, which they've since redacted, accusing Rupert Lowe of the politics of

00:12:43.960 Hitler. Now, the reason I'm raising this is because we have this term on the left,

00:12:49.840 stochastic terrorism, right? They know what they're doing. They're putting you in the

00:12:54.020 crosshairs of anyone febrile, ideological, and delusional enough to take this claim seriously.

00:12:59.420 Because in post-war morality, if you're Hitler, and the second founding of Britain was fighting

00:13:04.780 fascism, then killing Hitler is morally promiscuous.

00:13:06.740 And when was the last time that that actually happened? Oh, about a couple of weeks ago when

00:13:10.780 they killed Anne Whittacombe. And then before

00:13:12.720 that, when they killed Charlie Kirk. And then before that

00:13:14.780 when they shot Donald Trump. And then consistently when they've been

00:13:16.740 trying to kill Nigel Farage. And I must say

00:13:18.820 as well, Alex Phillips knows this, because

00:13:20.660 I did a segment with her, actually, about the murder of

00:13:22.760 Charlie Kirk the morning after, and we were both

00:13:24.760 very upset about it, and we actually discussed that exact

00:13:26.860 thing, and she agreed with me. So she knows what she's

00:13:28.840 doing. And I hate to raise

00:13:30.760 this, but I must,

00:13:32.780 because those previous hit pieces on Charlie

00:13:34.840 Downs, they came from Alex Phillips.

00:13:37.420 She admitted to ringing around

00:13:38.860 the BBC, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph

00:13:40.800 and other enemy outlets

00:13:42.260 specifically about Downs' tweet

00:13:44.920 trying to get articles written about him.

00:13:47.060 I got a massive pile

00:13:48.460 and I still get abused left, right and centre

00:13:50.300 by the thugs and the misogynists

00:13:51.980 and the psychopaths who seem to support that party.

00:13:54.640 Well, good.

00:13:55.160 Finally, the establishment media

00:13:57.280 have caught up with me

00:13:58.640 because I was rather alone in the world at one point

00:14:00.680 and even though I genuinely,

00:14:02.380 when I did that interview

00:14:03.380 and when I also pointed out,

00:14:04.860 because yes, it was little old me

00:14:06.280 that first reposted Charlie Downs

00:14:08.820 suggesting that Mr Farage had been bought by the Jewish Alliance, I actually said to other

00:14:16.200 journalists, as you do journalists, speak to one another. Have you not seen this? Do you not see

00:14:20.560 the poison? Have you not noticed the toxicity, the dangerous rhetoric here that's going to spill out

00:14:26.640 at some point into something extremely ugly? Is it not worth holding in check? And I'm telling you

00:14:32.860 right now, it doesn't matter which organisation I spoke to, none of them were interested. I'll say

00:14:37.680 it on the record now i sent those posts to chris mason i love chris mason the bbc he's a great man

00:14:43.220 but i sent those social media posts to him months and months ago i sent that to one of the senior

00:14:50.400 political editors of the mail i sent that to people at the telegraph i said because i was so

00:14:54.800 concerned about it i sent this to people none of them cared these are six months ago yes so i'm glad

00:15:01.800 finally people on top of it now because this stuff is worrying so what we're seeing happen here is

00:15:09.280 a coordinated pile on by let's say second tier surrogates they're not at the leadership

00:15:15.160 of some in reform who are opposed to people in restore britain because of ideological or personal

00:15:19.980 reasons coordination with enemy outlets running to people like the bbc the mail who were trying

00:15:25.980 to scupper reform's chances at the last election saying they'd split the vote and stop the tories

00:15:29.160 from getting in, or people at the Telegraph

00:15:31.000 that have just been bought by a German left-winger that we'll get onto

00:15:33.020 later, to try to ruin the lives

00:15:35.220 of people in Restore Britain using the most

00:15:37.160 venomous accusations

00:15:38.700 according to post-war morality

00:15:40.660 and the result is

00:15:42.940 bringing Boris Johnson back.

00:15:44.600 Something weird is going on here. She can't

00:15:47.160 be this irrationally angry about

00:15:49.180 this. There's got to be something else

00:15:51.000 going on. Alex,

00:15:53.160 and so I've

00:15:55.140 gotten a bit of... I actually wasn't going to do this segment.

00:15:57.480 Just, I was going to leave

00:15:59.000 this sort of stuff to dan but i felt compelled to because alex for the last few months has

00:16:04.860 dedicated turning her show into radio rwanda but for rupert low and restore yes all the clips coming

00:16:10.980 out people are making are just demented i mean the stuff that she was just doing you know what

00:16:16.180 it reminds me of it reminds me of those weird lefties who will stay up until four o'clock in

00:16:21.900 the morning making editing changes to wikipedia pages to smear somebody it's like we on the right

00:16:29.020 we just don't behave the way that she's behaving there is an energy of a um

00:16:34.180 jilted ex-lother about it and yes this is why so this post sparked a lot of controversy um

00:16:42.760 it's just pure invective and personal attacks so responding to one of alistair heath's

00:16:47.720 Articles. She says,

00:17:17.720 be off the charts but is suppressed under a warped self-indulgent identity of deluded crusaderism

00:17:22.920 shudder now um there's a lot of projection going on there i was about to say the exact same thing

00:17:26.680 and i haven't brought my post response up to this because i was quite harsh but i did point

00:17:33.360 something out if you're going to make constant personal attacks and it's not just about party

00:17:37.760 politics or policy um she has invented the claim that restore britain want to ban black people from

00:17:42.700 pubs so i don't think she has a particularly good grasp of restore britain's policy nevertheless

00:17:45.880 less. If you're going to do that, you invite yourself to scrutiny, right? Old biblical

00:17:49.120 injunction. Remove the log from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your

00:17:53.700 brothers. And I did point out that your standpoint for accusing these young men, these young

00:17:58.180 trad men, of insincerity, dishonesty, not having their life together, your standpoint

00:18:02.920 is one of a 43-year-old woman who hasn't had children because her own relationships have

00:18:06.720 failed, not because of any great tragedy, but because of your own choices, who, and

00:18:13.080 I hated to say it, it was uncomfortable,

00:18:15.060 but they came to my wedding and she got too drunk to do so.

00:18:18.760 And I was going to leave it at that.

00:18:21.260 But then she decided to write another hit piece in the Telegraph.

00:18:24.340 And that includes an entire passage on this.

00:18:26.700 And again, I wasn't going to include this in the segment

00:18:28.240 because it's a bit he said, she said, politics.

00:18:31.600 But she then decided to say,

00:18:34.160 Connor Tomlinson alleged that I had not attended his wedding

00:18:36.400 because I was drunk, shaming me for not having children,

00:18:38.600 suggesting this was the genesis of psychological imbalance

00:18:40.640 while painting a mawkish 1950s idol

00:18:42.820 of a merry band of restored brethren

00:18:44.840 bouncing babies on knees

00:18:45.980 as a paradigm of fulfilled superior existence.

00:18:48.200 I mean, most of them are married or engaged

00:18:49.480 and some of them have got kids.

00:18:50.860 So, she claims that I was lying about it.

00:18:53.900 I was presenting breakfast the weekend of his wedding

00:18:55.500 and concluded the round trip

00:18:56.500 to the outer frontiers of East London

00:18:57.960 before another four-hour dawn show was impossible.

00:19:01.240 It's a 20-minute train straight from London Bridge

00:19:03.080 right next to the studio, but that's fine.

00:19:05.040 Didn't give me any warning about it.

00:19:06.560 And again, saying that I...

00:19:07.480 Did you accept the invitation?

00:19:09.140 Oh, this was on the day.

00:19:10.640 This was when...

00:19:11.700 So she'd previously accepted the invitation.

00:19:13.820 Yeah, yeah, with the seat plan done, we had our food ordered, we just didn't shop.

00:19:17.820 Oh, okay.

00:19:18.480 And so what she's saying, and the reason I'm highlighting this is because

00:19:21.120 if you're going to make character attacks on Restore Britain,

00:19:24.500 and you're going to accuse them of dishonesty,

00:19:25.980 and you're going to say these people are unfit to run the country,

00:19:27.980 you might want to be truthful.

00:19:29.240 And the Telegraph might want to actually platform some truthful people.

00:19:31.780 Because if you're going to say that I lied about you,

00:19:34.920 and then this post appeared to light the blue touch paper

00:19:37.940 for one of the most challenging days in her career,

00:19:40.000 hundreds of accounts

00:19:40.760 accusing false allegations

00:19:42.000 of alcoholism

00:19:42.580 drug abuse

00:19:43.040 psychosis and barrenness

00:19:44.000 so apparently I instigate

00:19:45.140 a horrible pile on by lying

00:19:46.380 you might not want to post

00:19:47.880 photos of yourself

00:19:48.700 two hours before the wedding

00:19:49.640 having a bunch of cider

00:19:51.060 with your producer

00:19:51.680 yeah

00:19:53.980 so

00:19:56.140 yeah

00:19:57.340 not quite a lie

00:19:58.640 yeah that's

00:20:00.000 I think you got all on that one

00:20:01.600 and so

00:20:01.920 I don't want to make

00:20:03.300 these points

00:20:04.120 but the point I'm making

00:20:05.180 is the people

00:20:05.740 that are making these attacks

00:20:06.880 on Restored

00:20:07.640 try and ruin their lives

00:20:08.600 have either a hidden agenda

00:20:09.640 or are not particularly credible themselves.

00:20:12.960 And then there's just, again, the continued crash-out.

00:20:15.780 So, Nicole Lampert wrote this piece,

00:20:18.020 Low once fought alongside me for Israel,

00:20:19.940 now Restore poses a grey threat to Britain's Jews.

00:20:22.200 Remind me, when was the last time that a Restore Britain supporter

00:20:24.260 decided to stab at a synagogue?

00:20:26.340 Oh, they haven't. No, that's Muslims, isn't it?

00:20:28.060 And Restore have said they're going to deport most of them.

00:20:29.660 And it's weird, because she actually says in this,

00:20:32.680 I've seen, in tracking Restore for a few months,

00:20:34.980 I've seen it slither around the edges of,

00:20:36.780 and then gradually imbibe,

00:20:38.200 conspiracy theories about immigrants, people of color, Muslims, and Jews.

00:20:43.400 Does she name the conspiracies?

00:20:45.060 Well, but also, okay, Joseph Cohen, ginger guy, Jewish guy, left Britain because he felt

00:20:52.960 there was too much anti-Semitism and has moved to Israel, actually made a pretty coherent

00:20:55.520 video on this. And he said, Jews are approaching nationalist politics the wrong way. Because

00:21:01.000 the moment you decide to identify as a minority among one of many minorities, and you decide

00:21:05.400 to say, if it's an attack on one of us, it's an attack on all of us, and you side with

00:21:09.440 things like, you know, Muslims or Africans who tend to be committing most of the anti-Semitic

00:21:13.180 attacks, and you say, actually, the self-confident European or English majorities are our real

00:21:19.060 threat. The real threat is the far right. Then you have taken a side against them. And

00:21:23.340 then when they say, well, why are you siding against us? That then looks to you like anti-Semitism.

00:21:28.660 And then you double down on the policies and the side that is not just getting you killed,

00:21:33.000 but is also getting white people killed.

00:21:33.980 So exactly. So that is always my question to the Jewish population. It's like, why don't you think like that guy? That guy gets it.

00:21:41.700 Yeah, exactly. And unfortunately, some do. Most don't. And certainly nobody being platformed by the Telegraph do.

00:21:47.700 Because then in the same week they published this, they published an article saying, being Muslim makes you less British claims restore co-founder.

00:21:54.900 Yeah. Obviously, we've had to import them. Like, it's not a native faith.

00:21:59.760 And this is also written by a chap called Patrick Sawyer

00:22:02.820 Who happens to be the same guy who lied about me

00:22:05.280 And wrote a piece accusing me of being an anti-Semite

00:22:07.380 To try and get me banned from buying me a coffee a little while ago

00:22:09.380 And he didn't include my response to his request for comment

00:22:12.980 That refuted his entire article

00:22:14.880 Now, you would think that, okay

00:22:17.960 Telegraph thinks you're beyond the pale far right

00:22:19.640 If you think that Muslims aren't British

00:22:21.180 Or they're incompatible with British culture, let's say

00:22:23.700 And it turns out that the majority of public is then far right

00:22:26.840 According to the Telegraph, as reported by the Telegraph

00:22:29.760 53% of the British public think that Islam is incompatible

00:22:33.740 with British values, British culture, British identity,

00:22:36.500 and then four in ten think Muslim immigrants

00:22:38.720 have a negative impact on the UK.

00:22:40.120 So 53% are British anti-Semitic then?

00:22:43.500 I don't know.

00:22:44.460 I actually think probably not,

00:22:45.900 because if you actually break this down in the YouGov data

00:22:48.040 that they're pulling this from,

00:22:49.100 they have a much higher opinion of Jews.

00:22:51.420 But if you look at specific...

00:22:52.700 Yeah, but anti-Semitism is now being anti-Muslim.

00:22:54.840 Yeah, a bit weird that.

00:22:56.500 It's one of the most permeable definitions I've ever encountered.

00:22:59.760 Yeah. I mean, this reminds me of when, after the Bondi Beach shooting, when, you know, again, a Muslim went and shot a bunch of Jews in Australia. Danny Finkelstein said, Muslims and Jews need to unite to fight the far right because Nick Fuentes was mean about my mum.

00:23:11.300 Yeah, again, that one left me a bit puzzled as well, to be honest.

00:23:14.460 What should puzzle the Telegraph as well is if they're trying to court reform voters away from Restore,

00:23:18.820 they'll be alarmed to hear that, according to this polling,

00:23:21.380 YouGov found 87% of reform voters said Muslim immigrants to the UK have an overall negative impact,

00:23:26.900 and 93% said Islam is incompatible with British culture.

00:23:30.540 I think it's also 71% told Raikou darling Dame Sara Khan recently that Muslims can never integrate,

00:23:35.480 and that 55% of the overall British public said diversity is destroying British identity.

00:23:40.740 So everyone's a far-right anti-Semite, basically in the country, especially in reform,

00:23:43.880 according to the Telegraph. And the reason is, as you're going to touch on in your segment,

00:23:48.180 Israel is the number one issue for the Telegraph. It's the same thing for Spiked. It's the same

00:23:53.260 thing for Richard Tice. I think, you know, Britain and our demographic security and our ability to

00:23:58.480 have our own country, a bit like, you know, Jews and Joy in Israel, which you support,

00:24:01.800 is actually the main issue. But Alistair Heath has shared this piece, angry that Charlie Downs

00:24:06.340 used the term genocide for Israel's war with Gaza. Now, you can dispute that if you like,

00:24:10.440 Though I would raise the point

00:24:13.040 That if you're going to challenge that

00:24:15.300 Ministers like Smotrich

00:24:17.500 And Ben Gavir's rhetoric

00:24:19.020 Has not been particularly helpful

00:24:20.760 To refute the accusations of genocidal intent

00:24:24.120 You can quibble about civilian casualties

00:24:26.660 I saw the tweet you were referring to

00:24:28.460 That was somewhat alarming

00:24:30.120 And by somewhat I mean extremely

00:24:31.580 He's the guy who said basically

00:24:33.920 All Lebanon must burn

00:24:35.140 Yeah he wants to see

00:24:36.680 Lebanese mothers crying over their children

00:24:39.820 Yeah, and then Smotrich has repeatedly said

00:24:43.240 that we are going to expand well beyond the borders of Gaza,

00:24:47.140 go into Lebanon, like, do the Greater Israel Project.

00:24:49.820 And it's like, okay, that would cause widespread displacement.

00:24:52.200 Also, if we read that and point it out, we're anti-Semitic.

00:24:56.460 Unless you celebrate it.

00:24:57.880 This is the point made, basically, by Stephen Pollard,

00:25:00.360 who was, by the way, the former research director of the Fabian Society,

00:25:02.700 so I don't know why we're talking to him.

00:25:04.240 In this piece, he says,

00:25:05.620 Hitler first wrote about the big lie in Mein Kampf,

00:25:08.200 The idea that ordinary people are more likely to fall for huge, outrageous lies than a small, subtle one.

00:25:13.060 The genocide lie, perpetuated by Charlie Downs, is a typical example of this.

00:25:16.260 Okay, he's Hitler. Brilliant. We skip straight to the final point.

00:25:19.500 The thing is, we're not talking about Israel or Gaza.

00:25:22.680 You guys are forcing us to talk about this because you keep saying,

00:25:26.840 well, talk about Israel. Talk about Gaza. No, we want to talk about Britain.

00:25:30.400 Yep, same thing happened this morning.

00:25:31.860 Gideon Falter, Britain's Jews are right to fear the rise of Restore.

00:25:34.760 are literally, you know, deftly silent on Muslims killing Jews.

00:25:38.640 Charlie Downs has just said some things he didn't like on the internet.

00:25:41.180 Meanwhile, Jihad al-Sharmi, you know, goes and attacks a Manchester synagogue.

00:25:45.620 He says,

00:25:45.940 Pincer movement now threatens British politics.

00:25:47.840 As the far left and Islamists attack from One Direction,

00:25:50.680 Restore Britain appears to be its mirror image.

00:25:52.600 Right, so they want to basically criminalise the far left activist groups

00:25:56.240 that are importing said Muslim terrorists and calling for violence

00:25:59.880 and deport said Muslim terrorists.

00:26:01.840 And apparently they're the mirror image in this horseshoe.

00:26:03.740 bit strange. Heath has been sharing all of these, of course. There's Britain's Jews,

00:26:07.840 the right to fear the rise of Restore. And here's one. We are witnessing the emergence

00:26:10.920 of a 21st century British fascism, written by Jake Wallace Simons, who recently said

00:26:15.820 that ICE was basically like Adolf Hitler in America, so he doesn't think deportation

00:26:18.940 should be done there either. And the photo is protesters calling to jail Oswald Mosley,

00:26:23.600 with the insinuation, of course, being that Rupert Lowe, Charlie Downs and the like should

00:26:27.200 be in prison. Apparently, as well, I'm raising this because at the time of recording, Jake

00:26:30.840 Well, as Simons has been DMing me over X,

00:26:33.200 asking for comment for a piece he's writing tomorrow,

00:26:35.280 yet again about anti-Semitism and immigration.

00:26:37.740 So they're doing more.

00:26:39.160 They're stealing the works.

00:26:40.420 This is not stopping.

00:26:41.740 It's absolutely absurd.

00:26:43.120 And the reason I wanted to raise this one is because,

00:26:45.620 he says,

00:26:46.600 Lowe's 25-year-old psychic distinguished himself

00:26:49.340 by calling Alistair Heath, the editor of the Sunday Telegraph,

00:26:51.900 a traitor for suggesting restore as a racism problem.

00:26:54.680 As in traitor to the nation,

00:26:56.640 and I'm going to have to pronounce German words here,

00:26:58.820 so bear with me,

00:26:59.360 Volksverrata, or a race traitor, Rassenchander.

00:27:02.920 You get where I'm going with this.

00:27:04.340 Yes, of course.

00:27:05.360 I get where you're going with this.

00:27:06.240 He's a Nazi.

00:27:06.820 You just translated it straight into German.

00:27:08.420 It sounds scary, right?

00:27:09.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:10.120 Of course.

00:27:10.560 He also goes on.

00:27:11.620 He says, Downes' previous insistence that Britain is a people

00:27:14.920 defined by indigenous British ancestry and Christian faith.

00:27:17.640 All that was missing was the blood and soil,

00:27:19.380 Blut and Boden rhetoric.

00:27:21.320 Yeah, yeah, because I get it.

00:27:22.440 He's German.

00:27:23.040 He's a Nazi, right?

00:27:23.820 Now do Hebrew.

00:27:25.240 Because you are a blood and soil nationalist for Israel.

00:27:27.720 That's basically fine.

00:27:28.960 I don't care.

00:27:29.800 That's your prerogative, right?

00:27:31.360 Fair enough.

00:27:32.000 I just want the same standard, okay?

00:27:33.520 I'm not even using the terms blood and soil.

00:27:35.080 But if someone were to write this in Haaretz,

00:27:38.180 it wouldn't get the accusations of anti-Semitism and Nazism, would it?

00:27:43.260 Melanie Phillips has been doing this this morning,

00:27:44.880 but, I mean, yet again, this is her stock and trade.

00:27:47.220 She thinks, you know, Israel is a nation for Jews.

00:27:49.840 Britain must be a nation of values.

00:27:51.300 I'm not even going to read her article.

00:27:52.680 It's just tiresome by this point.

00:27:54.760 But what we're seeing is the intractable blockage of

00:27:57.120 Israel gets to be a country for Jewish people

00:27:59.280 you don't get to have a country you anti-Semite

00:28:01.040 why is that? Let me just finish

00:28:02.940 this guy, Matthias Dopfner

00:28:05.020 who runs Axel Springer just bought the Telegraph

00:28:07.400 now of course some of these writers were already on staff

00:28:09.580 and these were their organic opinions

00:28:11.180 but this seems to have been kicked up a gear

00:28:13.140 since he acquired the Telegraph

00:28:14.980 Paul Marshall was also in the bidding for it

00:28:16.720 who owns ARK and GB News and

00:28:18.640 Spectator, Unheard

00:28:20.800 a few other things as well

00:28:23.160 but he got outbid by this guy

00:28:25.260 and this guy

00:28:26.860 owns Politico

00:28:27.540 is a German progressive

00:28:28.780 which means that he is

00:28:30.300 one of the most

00:28:31.120 self-hating breeds

00:28:31.840 of European on the planet

00:28:32.820 and he sat down

00:28:33.880 with my old nemesis

00:28:34.580 Freddie Sayers

00:28:35.140 and said that

00:28:36.460 his purpose

00:28:37.260 is to turn the telegraph

00:28:38.440 into an institution

00:28:39.740 to defend

00:28:40.400 the quote

00:28:41.020 open society

00:28:41.940 with a zero tolerance

00:28:43.100 for antisemitism

00:28:43.680 Karl Popper's

00:28:45.560 open society

00:28:46.280 yes

00:28:46.560 yes

00:28:47.840 that's also what

00:28:48.480 Alistair Heath said

00:28:49.020 in the previous piece as well

00:28:49.920 he said he is committed

00:28:51.440 to the open society

00:28:52.480 yeah but I mean

00:28:53.440 look into what those guys actually believed,

00:28:56.860 it is the dismantlement of

00:28:58.740 Europe. What led to

00:29:00.800 the abolition of firm

00:29:02.600 boundaries around borders, identities,

00:29:04.960 families, culture, the abolition

00:29:06.620 of national preference. It's very

00:29:08.400 well laid out in R.R. Reno's Return of the Strong

00:29:10.780 Gods, a book that you've done a book club on

00:29:12.580 before. And

00:29:14.700 it's very conspicuous that Axel Springer says all this.

00:29:16.960 So Axel Springer, sorry,

00:29:18.800 Matthias Dopfner, CEO of Axel Springer,

00:29:21.160 did a speech at the World Jewish Congress

00:29:22.680 in May. And they quote him in here, and he says something, which sounds actually reasonable until

00:29:29.280 you sort of recontextualise it. He says, okay, it's not Zionism that's racism, rather anti-Zionism

00:29:34.720 is racism. Fine, whatever. That's what Richard Tice said. That's a line that they're all saying,

00:29:38.480 whatever. But he says, what does not make sense to me is this. Why should Zionism be an idea and

00:29:43.300 a goal that only Jews can embrace? He continued, I am a Zionist. I mean, I think that's totally fair.

00:29:49.240 But he means, why should only Jews support Zionism?

00:29:53.180 Non-Jews support Zionism.

00:29:55.200 I would prefer to say, why should Zionism for your own people be an idea that only Jews can embrace?

00:30:01.480 I would like the same for Britain.

00:30:02.680 And I wanted to finish this just because, I don't know if you notice, but that's not a full quote.

00:30:08.680 They say, why should Zionism be an idea than a goal that only Jews can embrace?

00:30:13.960 End speech marks.

00:30:15.000 He continued, I am a Zionist.

00:30:16.500 They missed out a bit there.

00:30:17.500 I just want to play this, because I would never speak this way, and I don't understand

00:30:23.400 why you would refer to yourself this way if you didn't have a seething in-group hatred.

00:30:29.300 Yeah.

00:30:30.480 It is not Zionism that is racism.

00:30:34.280 It is anti-Zionism that is racism.

00:30:38.660 Zionism is the most natural response to thousands of years of persecution, expulsion, and genocide.

00:30:47.500 what does not make sense to me is this why should zionism be an idea and a goal that only jews can

00:30:56.800 embrace i'm a goy and i'm a zionist with all my heart out of conviction and with passion

00:31:05.140 yeah goy is the derogatory one you could have said gentile why did you feel the need to call

00:31:11.640 yourself a goy and as ironist and why did as well the world jewish congress not quote that bit

00:31:15.240 That's a bit weird, isn't it?

00:31:16.080 Well, because it's better signalling, that's why.

00:31:18.880 I agree with him that nationalism, essentially,

00:31:23.180 taking your own side, having a country for your own people,

00:31:25.640 demographic security, is actually the appropriate response

00:31:28.360 to genocide, expulsions, years of mistreatment,

00:31:32.160 and becoming a minority displaced from your own homeland.

00:31:36.120 If that's the case for Jews, I want the same for me.

00:31:38.420 But because the Telegraph doesn't think so,

00:31:40.180 you can cancel your Telegraph subscription

00:31:41.560 with a helpful page on their website,

00:31:43.080 or you can call the phone number

00:31:44.380 that they link to

00:31:45.620 and I advise that you do

00:31:46.560 and pick up a copy of Islander

00:31:47.540 and extend instead

00:31:48.380 because you could be

00:31:49.020 much better informed

00:31:49.960 yes I agree with that

00:31:52.440 right we've got some

00:31:53.300 Rumble rags

00:31:54.240 you want to do those?

00:31:58.300 you want to do them?

00:31:59.040 oh I can do those

00:31:59.580 yeah yeah no worries

00:32:00.320 which is what you were hosting

00:32:01.400 I don't mean

00:32:02.140 Fortean Barber

00:32:04.100 brothers Stelios and Dan

00:32:05.220 it warms my heart

00:32:05.840 to see brother Connor back

00:32:06.740 now let's hate

00:32:07.760 this next segment together

00:32:08.680 yeah well if you

00:32:09.380 were annoyed at mine

00:32:10.160 you're going to be annoyed

00:32:10.580 at Dan's too I'm afraid

00:32:11.720 Paladin says

00:32:13.320 All restore members and allies who are male

00:32:15.520 Needed Victorian facial hair, Connor and Charlie included

00:32:17.760 My wife looked at me like I was an alien

00:32:19.820 Stepping off a spaceship when I finally had a shave

00:32:21.560 But I actually think it looks a bit better these days

00:32:24.060 I think the beard was aging me prematurely

00:32:26.360 A bit boyish though

00:32:27.460 Well, what can you do

00:32:29.120 Base tape, accusations of anti-semitism

00:32:31.640 Should be treated the same way as accusations of racism

00:32:33.940 Say it with me boys, I don't care

00:32:35.320 True, it's the same trap, step over it, don't fall for it

00:32:38.120 And they are depreciating that currency quickly

00:32:40.480 Dragon Lady Chris also has a comment on my facial hair.

00:32:42.620 Nice to see her again.

00:32:44.600 Connor, I appreciate your attempt to look younger than Charlie Downs,

00:32:46.660 but it won't last once the twins are there.

00:32:48.400 Great piece on Riker the other day. Keep it up.

00:32:49.940 Yeah, I already look like a raccoon. I'm not sleeping much as is.

00:32:52.920 And Hiro Sonichiban says,

00:32:56.100 How many Jews fled the UK due to Muslim invasion?

00:32:58.400 How many even are left?

00:32:59.520 I'm glad they have a homeland to flee to. Must be nice.

00:33:01.440 As far as I know, actually,

00:33:03.380 the number from the last census of a few hundred thousand

00:33:06.280 has actually fallen to below a hundred thousand.

00:33:08.960 and there's quite a few

00:33:10.380 of those millionaires

00:33:11.120 that have been fleeing the UK

00:33:12.240 that themselves are Jewish

00:33:13.700 so I think

00:33:14.700 the current policy

00:33:15.720 of supporting Muslim immigration

00:33:16.940 isn't doing wonders

00:33:18.140 for the demographics

00:33:18.880 of Jews in Britain

00:33:19.720 and they might want to reassess that

00:33:20.780 can we just

00:33:21.640 Samson

00:33:22.040 can we just quickly go back

00:33:22.980 to the other set of tabs

00:33:24.400 because

00:33:24.800 isn't that

00:33:25.840 Josh's granddad

00:33:26.740 in the middle there

00:33:27.400 doesn't look like him

00:33:28.880 doesn't it

00:33:29.120 wow

00:33:29.640 bloody hell

00:33:30.480 it's like that thing

00:33:33.380 in the first episode

00:33:34.000 of the Doctor Who revival

00:33:34.960 where you see

00:33:35.380 Christopher Eccleston

00:33:36.120 standing at the UK assassination

00:33:37.740 yeah right you can take it back now samson so uh yeah great uh segment connor and if you're

00:33:44.680 watching on youtube you can you can dig out connor's one as well which is an excellent prelude

00:33:48.520 into this because i wanted to kind of just drill down on some of those themes that you were talking

00:33:51.760 about because you know what is it that concerns me and i didn't have to look very far to find an

00:33:59.200 example of the exact sort of thing that concerns me because as soon as i opened twitter this morning

00:34:03.800 I was immediately presented with this as the very first post,

00:34:07.100 as I knew I would be.

00:34:09.040 Man yelling, Allah Akbar attacked two females

00:34:12.500 and one male police officer in Toulouse, France today.

00:34:16.000 Two officers were stabbed.

00:34:17.520 The pregnant woman was stabbed when the guy said Allah made me do it.

00:34:21.280 There you go.

00:34:22.160 Or the German one as well, where he drove a car into the parade parade.

00:34:26.100 The far right and white men were blamed for it.

00:34:28.080 We've only got 30 minutes for this segment,

00:34:29.820 so you can't list all of the examples of the past year.

00:34:31.980 um the point is like there's a lot of this and and what has been really perplexing me and this

00:34:37.980 is a genuine question which and and when this segment comes out i'm on x i'm gonna tweet at a

00:34:43.720 couple of um telegraph authors and you're very welcome to come on the show and explain this to

00:34:47.640 me the thing that i don't get is this is clearly the type of thing that is concerning us yes this

00:34:55.360 and the grooming gangs and all the rest of it and when we on the british right started talking about

00:35:01.700 this and we started saying look

00:35:03.220 there are people here who are

00:35:05.280 here to do us harm

00:35:07.380 and they need to be removed

00:35:09.800 I don't understand

00:35:11.600 why so many British Jews

00:35:13.620 suddenly said you're talking about us

00:35:15.500 yeah it was a bit weird

00:35:16.980 that I mean

00:35:18.640 so the mentality

00:35:21.020 I spoke to someone actually in Israel

00:35:23.540 when I went about this

00:35:25.800 and they said there's a Hebrew phrase

00:35:27.540 that doesn't translate perfectly

00:35:29.280 but it's basically defending ourselves to death

00:35:31.700 and so their mentality is

00:35:33.600 they're in constant siege mode

00:35:34.940 because they have this cultural memory

00:35:37.520 of years of expulsions

00:35:39.420 and there's a particular strain

00:35:40.960 of Jewish historical thought

00:35:42.100 that actually is more suspicious

00:35:43.200 of Europeans because of the expulsions

00:35:45.080 than they are of Muslims

00:35:45.880 because the Talmud was written

00:35:48.440 while dhimis in Muslim lands

00:35:50.740 they developed their own language

00:35:52.280 they were successful merchants

00:35:53.800 in Muslim lands

00:35:54.280 this is one of the tellings

00:35:55.860 of Jewish history

00:35:56.620 you can read in S.D. Goitin's

00:35:58.660 Jews and Arabs

00:35:59.440 it doesn't necessarily mean it's true

00:36:00.640 but this is a formula of thought.

00:36:02.540 And so there is a permanent suspicion

00:36:04.060 of self-confident white European majorities.

00:36:06.480 Instead, there is a belief that

00:36:08.160 they are more likely to survive

00:36:09.780 if they don't stick out like a sore thumb

00:36:11.060 as one among many minorities.

00:36:13.260 And so they would prefer

00:36:14.620 if immigration remained high

00:36:16.360 and multiculturalism be practiced,

00:36:18.520 even if that's going to,

00:36:19.620 you know, cognitive dissonance

00:36:20.500 lead them to more likely...

00:36:21.280 Even if that involves

00:36:22.060 the occasional synagogue shooting.

00:36:23.780 Or stabbing, or Bondi Beach massacre,

00:36:26.640 or rape gang.

00:36:27.340 So it's just a price worth paying

00:36:29.000 to make sure that there are

00:36:30.160 lots of immigrants and we're one amongst many.

00:36:31.960 Yeah, and this is not the belief of all Jews, of course,

00:36:34.080 but it is the belief of certainly some.

00:36:36.320 Because this whole thing just deeply confuses me, to be honest.

00:36:40.500 But there is something, and that's why this is a genuine question.

00:36:43.300 This is a genuine request to people, any rabbi or telegraph writer

00:36:48.440 who wants to come on and do an interview and get into this,

00:36:51.620 because I just don't understand this mindset,

00:36:53.920 and clearly there is something at odds here.

00:36:56.200 And, I mean, there are just weird things that I hear being reported

00:36:59.840 from the Jewish community,

00:37:01.860 such as I was listening to an interview the other day

00:37:03.640 where a Jewish guy was,

00:37:06.380 I mean, he is an older Jewish guy,

00:37:07.920 but he was explaining when he was a kid,

00:37:09.660 he was terrified to have a shower

00:37:11.340 because his parents had told him from such a young age

00:37:14.700 about stories about being gassed in showers.

00:37:16.700 So he was absolutely just, he couldn't do it.

00:37:19.440 He couldn't have a shower.

00:37:20.520 And beyond that, his parents had told him

00:37:23.140 that there will come a day when his friends,

00:37:26.940 the people that he plays with at school

00:37:28.820 and the neighbours will come and kill them.

00:37:32.060 And because of that, as a young boy,

00:37:33.860 he couldn't sleep in his own bed.

00:37:35.700 He had to wait for his parents to go to sleep

00:37:38.120 and then sleep outside their bedroom door

00:37:41.800 because he wanted to be close

00:37:43.880 for when his friends and his neighbours came after him.

00:37:47.740 This permanent suspicion is not a psychologically healthy thing

00:37:50.520 to inflict on children or a people writ large.

00:37:53.260 That's kind of my point.

00:37:54.580 it's there is something deeply troubling about this level of internalized um victim narrative

00:38:03.380 yeah it just it just feels and i'm clearly not understanding it correctly but i'm very concerned

00:38:09.960 about it and i want i want somebody to come in and explain to me why essentially we can't have

00:38:15.680 good things for the british people because and and it feels to me i'm not necessarily connecting

00:38:20.680 those things but it does feel to me like those two things are connected in some sort of way

00:38:23.960 Well, at the very least, the inciting incident in the post-war consensus is the horrors of the Holocaust.

00:38:32.520 And so that is the paramount atrocity that all other atrocities try to compare themselves to.

00:38:38.700 You often get jockeying between black American activists with the slave trade versus the Holocaust.

00:38:44.040 And this is why there's actually quite a lot of animosity between lots of hardcore black nationalists and Jews,

00:38:48.000 which has led to shootings of synagogues and things like that, Jewish supermarkets.

00:38:51.720 So if it can be plausibly claimed

00:38:54.980 that something is the first step on the road

00:38:57.780 to gas chambers in Auschwitz,

00:39:00.060 then you can't even take that step

00:39:01.260 because it's just a goose step.

00:39:02.440 And that means Hitler saw differences between people.

00:39:05.640 Hitler had a preference for his own country,

00:39:07.220 never mind he wanted to annex other people's countries.

00:39:10.260 Hitler had standards.

00:39:11.600 He wanted to beautify his own country.

00:39:12.940 So all of those things must be prohibited

00:39:14.500 because they are the first step towards fascism,

00:39:16.800 gas chambers, holocaust.

00:39:19.360 Right, so identifying

00:39:21.320 Identifying a group of people,

00:39:22.600 marking them as out at separate,

00:39:24.140 making people carry identification

00:39:25.980 and putting them in concentration camps

00:39:27.780 would be an example.

00:39:30.200 But we did all of that during COVID.

00:39:31.820 I mean, yeah.

00:39:32.640 And it doesn't ineluctably follow

00:39:33.980 that making category distinctions

00:39:35.540 leads to identity cards,

00:39:38.220 segregation and concentration camps.

00:39:39.820 Yes.

00:39:40.120 Like saying we're different people

00:39:41.600 doesn't mean I want to stick you

00:39:42.540 in a concentration camp.

00:39:43.300 No.

00:39:43.620 And saying that Jews and Anglo-Saxons

00:39:45.780 are different ethnic groups

00:39:46.600 does not mean that one has to kill the other.

00:39:48.540 But I mean, seriously,

00:39:49.760 We did all of those things during COVID.

00:39:51.780 I mean, we didn't do the concentration camps here,

00:39:53.620 but yeah, Australia did.

00:39:56.160 Austria did.

00:39:57.920 Whole Blanche Braces did.

00:39:59.000 But, you know, okay, fine, whatever.

00:40:01.120 So, you know, that's kind of the...

00:40:02.820 But the other thing that sort of confuses me on this is,

00:40:06.940 you know, here we've got Raoul Braverman,

00:40:10.020 you know, saying an excellent article here.

00:40:11.740 How has he tweeted that out?

00:40:13.560 And again, I just picked this

00:40:14.920 because it was just the second thing on the list

00:40:17.220 that I looked at when I looked at Twitter this morning

00:40:19.260 was him putting this out, is so many on the right

00:40:23.260 have internalised exactly this thinking.

00:40:27.100 Now, I'm going to assume that, how do you pronounce it?

00:40:30.880 Is it Raul?

00:40:31.700 Raul.

00:40:32.180 Raul.

00:40:32.680 I'm going to presume that Raul has been a Tory for some time.

00:40:37.160 You know who he is, I assume.

00:40:38.920 Well, the husband of...

00:40:40.460 Yes.

00:40:40.900 Yes.

00:40:41.280 So I'm going to assume that maybe he was a lefty in his student years,

00:40:45.060 but I'm going to assume that he's been a right-winger for some time.

00:40:48.020 if you have been a right winger for some time

00:40:50.840 and I'm guessing he's roughly around my age

00:40:53.680 or something like that

00:40:54.440 he would have been called a Nazi

00:40:56.200 almost certainly

00:40:58.000 Suella was for wanting to ban

00:40:59.860 the post-October 7th pro-Hermas marches

00:41:03.540 yes but my point is

00:41:04.300 you cannot be a right winger in this country

00:41:06.280 no matter what kind of right wing politics you follow

00:41:09.140 and not have been called a Nazi at some point

00:41:11.780 I was at university for expressing very mild right wing views

00:41:15.220 everybody on the right has had this

00:41:16.920 has had this now my reaction to that all along has been that's silly i'm not i'm not i'm not

00:41:23.200 going there that's that's ridiculous i've either just say no or shut up you're just just not really

00:41:28.060 engaging with it but so many on the right and actually farage is a really good example of this

00:41:33.800 have internalized this to the point where they basically think no i'm not a nazi but anyone one

00:41:40.300 inch to my right is or at least there's the motivated reasoning to acquit yourself of the

00:41:48.140 false charge of nazism by saying i'm not a nazi but here's a stronger definition of who could be

00:41:53.340 a nazi yes here is space between me and him so you can't call me a nazi anymore because we all

00:41:57.160 agree that this person's a nazi but but you're conceding the frame that right-wing politics is

00:42:02.260 essentially nazism watered down slightly yeah you know the all all this all this talk about

00:42:08.280 the far right i mean basically what they mean is you know um a set way and you did it specifically

00:42:15.120 with your articles and i'll do it with a couple of articles in a minute it's all like yeah it's

00:42:18.320 it's like it's like hitler and when we accept this term far right well we're going to say

00:42:22.300 yeah and and even back in the days when the only right-wing party was the conservatives

00:42:26.160 it's like yes we like hitler only less so they're called priti patel hitler she is literally the

00:42:31.140 bo peep of the boris wave yes yes exactly actually you're hitting something really important because

00:42:36.840 Because when it comes to the term far right, personally, I wouldn't call Hitler far right.

00:42:43.000 Because I'd call him a Nazi, right?

00:42:45.520 The term far right for Hitler just seems a bit silly.

00:42:49.120 So the term far right has been coined precisely because the left was too liberal with respect to who it called the fascist.

00:42:59.200 Yeah, I mean, you could say-

00:43:00.260 Everyone was called a fascist, and now everyone who is trying to get to the Barack Obama,

00:43:06.480 Joe Biden, 2008 position regarding borders counts as far right.

00:43:11.680 Well, I remember a segment that you did a while ago, a couple of years ago now, on the

00:43:15.660 European Union's attempts to create a unified history curriculum.

00:43:19.140 And in that document, it said, we consider the Holocaust to be a negative foundation

00:43:25.020 myth for the European project.

00:43:26.740 That was their exact term.

00:43:27.800 So they see Hitler as the sort of antichrist that was vanquished

00:43:33.360 so that we can live in a new post-racial Eden.

00:43:35.780 Yes.

00:43:36.000 I can understand the need to not to prevent genocides.

00:43:40.520 So I can understand this.

00:43:42.240 But when it comes to foundational myth, I mean, foundation of what?

00:43:49.160 So Hazoni, and again, people can quibble with his politics if they like,

00:43:53.060 but he has this formula in his book, Virtue of Nationalism,

00:43:56.120 which is there are two responses to the post-war consensus.

00:43:59.140 It's the EU or Israel.

00:44:01.440 It's create a self-hating, negative identity

00:44:06.000 and an empire that is determined to destroy itself through...

00:44:09.400 And will succeed in destroying itself.

00:44:11.320 Yeah, through demographic substitution.

00:44:12.580 Or a self-confident nation-state

00:44:14.260 that can't actually be annexed by a larger imperial power

00:44:17.200 governed by and for a people

00:44:19.100 who were on the precipice of extinction

00:44:20.840 and decided to get their birthright to it.

00:44:22.240 Yeah, the only two logical outcomes

00:44:23.340 and we've chosen the wrong one.

00:44:24.360 or had the wrong one forced upon us.

00:44:26.820 Yes.

00:44:27.140 So let's have a quick look at the article.

00:44:28.920 I mean, you brought this one up in your segment as well.

00:44:31.520 I don't think I've got time to really go into

00:44:33.440 in a huge amount of detail,

00:44:35.680 but essentially, I mean,

00:44:37.600 we just pick out bits of it and see where this is going.

00:44:40.080 You know, a once-proud European nation

00:44:41.800 suffers a change in forts

00:44:42.860 and two things happen like clockwork.

00:44:44.680 Someone will emerge claiming to have the answers

00:44:47.080 and his supporters will blame the Jews.

00:44:49.520 You know, straight away we're going in,

00:44:51.400 we're framing this as it's the Second World War all over again.

00:44:54.140 It's the Holocaust all over.

00:44:55.240 It's also the population are to be regarded

00:44:57.640 with this pernicious mistrust,

00:44:59.520 because in their formulation,

00:45:01.440 it's the supporters blame the Jews,

00:45:03.240 but the person who emerges claims to have the answers

00:45:05.520 didn't blame the Jews.

00:45:06.560 But Hitler did blame the Jews.

00:45:08.820 I don't think it was particularly unambiguous.

00:45:11.700 It wasn't coy about it.

00:45:13.180 It wasn't dog whistling.

00:45:14.780 The ball was not hidden.

00:45:15.740 Yes.

00:45:17.700 Exactly.

00:45:18.280 So, you know, if I had a bit more time,

00:45:21.120 I'd go through this line by line,

00:45:22.620 and I'd just point out,

00:45:24.140 But it's all a lot of inferring.

00:45:27.120 It's all a bit of, you know, leaping suggestions.

00:45:29.960 But it doesn't actually arrive at anything.

00:45:32.840 It's a 20th century Ouija board.

00:45:34.440 He's just summoning the spectres of fascism and Hitler

00:45:37.220 and trying to transpose them onto contemporary politics.

00:45:39.860 It doesn't work.

00:45:40.660 There's only actually one concrete bit in this whole thing.

00:45:45.120 Where are we?

00:45:47.900 I'll quickly point out this line.

00:45:49.060 Who knows whether a monarch could have a place in that future

00:45:52.340 when Mr. Lowe is in charge.

00:45:53.420 So again, he's asking you to conjure up a mental image of the king being trebucheted off the cliffs of Dover because he's insufficiently British.

00:46:01.640 And it's like, yeah, we're not saying that, are we?

00:46:04.540 We're clearly not bloody saying that.

00:46:06.280 I mean, you're just conjuring all of this.

00:46:08.680 And you spend the entire time trying to make us think, oh, no, the World War II is about to happen again.

00:46:14.380 Anyway, at some point we get to, oh, I can't even write.

00:46:17.060 There's a bit in here where you actually get, oh, here we are.

00:46:19.660 The only concrete restore policy in the entire article is this bit.

00:46:25.340 Restore seems intent on making life harder for a select few.

00:46:28.560 Take another restore policy, banning kosher slaughter.

00:46:31.360 Well, actually, no, it's just applying food standards on humane slaughter uniformly

00:46:38.820 and removing the religious exemptions that currently apply to kosher and halal.

00:46:44.100 Rupert was also said, and I disagree with him on this,

00:46:46.520 just because it floods our market with cheap, crap foreign meat from overseas,

00:46:49.660 but he said he's allowing imports.

00:46:52.600 So you can just like...

00:46:53.820 Yeah, I wouldn't personally...

00:46:55.200 ...deal with Israel, probably.

00:46:56.840 I wouldn't be fine.

00:46:58.280 But that, this bit, is the only...

00:47:01.080 This is the only bit that actually refers

00:47:03.440 to something that Restore has actually said

00:47:05.520 or has an actual policy.

00:47:07.320 Everything else is conjecture, okay?

00:47:08.580 A Jewish friend of mine did joke

00:47:10.180 in reaction to this policy.

00:47:11.880 He said, look, I don't like it,

00:47:14.460 but I'd sooner go vegetarian

00:47:15.640 and expel Islam from Britain than complain.

00:47:18.140 Well, yes.

00:47:18.640 and again this comes back to my confusion

00:47:20.940 and it's not like there isn't

00:47:23.000 actually options here, I mean this is

00:47:24.860 the rabbi of

00:47:26.860 Maidenhead, he put

00:47:29.020 out a paper in

00:47:30.320 I think it was 2022

00:47:32.180 that got reported on

00:47:34.920 that's why I remember it, it's because it's better for animals

00:47:36.980 so he's basically a rabbi saying

00:47:38.780 actually no, it is possible

00:47:40.900 I mean he's a reformed rabbi, the orthodox rabbis

00:47:42.960 won't abide by this, so there'll be a

00:47:44.440 debate with him. But there is an argument

00:47:46.840 within, what do you call it, the rabbinism?

00:47:52.480 Rabbinical Judaism.

00:47:53.580 Yes.

00:47:54.740 Dan, there's always an argument within rabbinical Judaism.

00:47:56.740 Yes.

00:47:58.160 But the point is, it's not a clear-cut, you know,

00:48:01.160 you're telling us that we have to pre-stun food,

00:48:04.940 which actually, I mean, I had a look at the bit in the Jewish text

00:48:10.300 and actually it's all about humanity and treating animals well.

00:48:14.000 And it does say that they need to be fully conscious.

00:48:15.960 But, I mean, actually, if you read the whole thing together,

00:48:17.860 you could make an argument.

00:48:19.020 There's an argument to be had there anyway.

00:48:21.880 So, and then we got this, you know, other article,

00:48:24.820 which you referred to as well.

00:48:26.000 And this one, he's not even implying it.

00:48:31.080 I mean, it is so spoon-fed to you.

00:48:34.880 This is the Second World War happening all over again.

00:48:38.140 You know, we're on the verge of goose-stepping in the streets,

00:48:41.100 invading Poland.

00:48:41.840 Well, the worst bit was he refers to his book.

00:48:45.960 Something like Never Again Again, How the West Betrayed Jews in Itself.

00:48:49.920 And he said this was published on the day that Jihad al-Shami committed

00:48:53.300 the Manchester synagogue stabbing.

00:48:56.300 And he said something like, oh, I predicted within a few months

00:49:00.260 we'll hear even greater levels of anti-Semitism.

00:49:03.780 More fool me.

00:49:04.760 It came around quicker when Charlie Downs is like,

00:49:07.080 sorry, Charlie Downs, your book came out on the day that a guy stabs Jews.

00:49:11.480 Another stabbing happens in Golders Green.

00:49:13.860 A few weeks after that,

00:49:16.200 a few months after the Manchester synagogue stabbing in October,

00:49:19.360 they shoot them in Bondi Beach.

00:49:20.880 You've got Mizzy running around leapfrogging over guys

00:49:23.320 in Orthodox regalia.

00:49:24.740 And you think that Charlie Downs...

00:49:26.540 And Charlie Downs says,

00:49:27.940 can I have a country, please?

00:49:29.280 And that's the example that you pick out of all of those.

00:49:31.740 It's just perplexing.

00:49:33.160 Exactly.

00:49:33.940 So, can you make it big, Samson?

00:49:36.480 Do the big thing.

00:49:37.940 So what I thought I'd have a look at

00:49:39.740 is I'm just going to put up

00:49:41.840 what apparently is good statements and bad statements.

00:49:46.800 So on the left, I've got sources,

00:49:49.180 and I've given the source for each of these.

00:49:50.620 All of this is either Israeli law

00:49:52.420 or in the Israeli founding document.

00:49:55.480 The land of Israel is the historic homeland

00:49:57.740 of the Jewish people.

00:49:59.640 And then on the right,

00:50:00.620 because of course we know that everything on the left is good,

00:50:03.760 can't question that.

00:50:04.620 On the right, I've made the minimal change that I could

00:50:08.340 to make it about Britain.

00:50:10.060 the land of britain is the historical homeland of the native british people it's the same statement

00:50:16.920 it's the same thing but apparently the one on the right means you're a fascist and the one on the

00:50:24.200 left is good but maybe we need to be a hated mistreated exiled minority to be able to make

00:50:29.100 that claim first i mean i would personally say that you know we should avert that undesirable

00:50:34.880 fate if it was horrible for the jews to go through and then have to spend thousands of

00:50:38.300 years wandering in the veritable wilderness.

00:50:41.000 Maybe we could skip the thousands of years.

00:50:42.800 That would be preferable, but apparently, I guess we're not allowed to.

00:50:46.520 I mean, if you had a time machine and you go back a couple of thousand years,

00:50:49.440 you'd probably say, you know, anything you can do to avoid that is worth doing.

00:50:54.440 It's not a necessary requirement.

00:50:57.520 You know, the state of Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people.

00:51:00.980 Why can't we say the state of Britain is the national state of the native British people?

00:51:06.360 Again, it's the same statement. I can't accept why. And again, this is why I'm making the invitation. To any of the Telegraph writers that I've mentioned, I will DM you when this comes out on X, or to any rabbi or anyone else who's sufficiently into this, who genuinely believes that everything on the left is good and everything on the right is bad. Come and explain to me why that is. Why is it that Israel can do this, but we can't when they're the same thing?

00:51:35.280 In fact, if anything, everything I've got on the right there goes further, goes a lot further than Restore does.

00:51:42.280 The realisation of the right to national self-determination in the state of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish people.

00:51:48.540 Again, why can't we have the realisation of the right to national self-determination is exclusive to the native British people?

00:51:53.840 I want to pick up on that very quickly as well.

00:51:55.700 When I put that to Danny Finkelstein in our long-running ex-feud, he shifted the definition to,

00:52:01.540 well Britain is a Christian country

00:52:02.840 and it's like

00:52:03.280 hang on a minute

00:52:04.060 but Ben-Gurion founded Israel

00:52:06.020 as an ethnically Jewish country

00:52:08.040 because he himself was secular

00:52:09.260 they did study Torah

00:52:10.260 but he wasn't a practicing Jew

00:52:11.700 so when they mean Jewish people there

00:52:13.260 they mean an ethnic definition

00:52:14.460 and so

00:52:16.140 to say native British people

00:52:18.440 is a one-to-one accuracy

00:52:20.200 just because I know people

00:52:20.900 are going to turn around and go

00:52:21.720 well but Israel has 20% Arabs

00:52:24.620 not that they're exactly enthused

00:52:25.840 about those buses

00:52:27.020 24.6 I looked it up

00:52:28.180 yeah and they don't exactly like

00:52:29.620 all the buses blowing up

00:52:30.520 in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv

00:52:31.280 but there you go

00:52:31.840 and also they might go

00:52:33.080 well Judaism is also a religion

00:52:34.700 it's like

00:52:34.940 yeah but it was found

00:52:35.680 as an ethnic nation

00:52:36.440 you raise a good point

00:52:38.120 if a quarter

00:52:39.780 of the Israeli population

00:52:41.180 are not Jewish

00:52:42.260 you've basically

00:52:44.280 spent the last week

00:52:45.100 telling us

00:52:45.820 that if we have

00:52:46.920 the things on the right

00:52:47.960 then that means

00:52:49.080 that the people

00:52:49.980 who are not native British

00:52:51.180 are going to be hunted

00:52:51.960 in the streets

00:52:52.560 or ejected

00:52:53.160 and all the rest of it

00:52:53.800 why isn't that happening

00:52:55.500 in Israel?

00:52:56.320 but also

00:52:56.520 hang on a minute

00:52:57.000 hang on

00:52:57.400 right

00:52:58.080 you're a horrible evil racist

00:53:00.500 if you say Muslims aren't British, okay?

00:53:03.540 How do we distinguish

00:53:04.460 between the Jewish population of Israel

00:53:06.180 and the Arab population of Israel?

00:53:08.280 Because you know the Arabs aren't Jewish.

00:53:10.300 Yes, you can tell.

00:53:11.060 So you can recognise that,

00:53:12.440 but if you make that recognition in Britain,

00:53:13.780 you're a horrible, evil, racist.

00:53:15.120 I mean, I'll go on.

00:53:17.780 Again, this is the bad version.

00:53:20.140 We have an equivalent good version to all of these.

00:53:22.620 The state should be open to native British immigration

00:53:24.720 and the ingathering of exiles.

00:53:26.560 Right of return for the Anglosphere, I support it.

00:53:28.240 Exactly.

00:53:28.540 The state shall act in the diaspora to strengthen the affinity

00:53:33.440 between the state and members of the native British people.

00:53:35.860 So, yeah, we can have affinity between the peoples of New Zealand

00:53:38.440 and Canada and so on.

00:53:40.020 The state shall act to preserve the cultural, historical,

00:53:43.480 and religious heritage of the native British peoples

00:53:46.300 amongst the native Britons of the diaspora.

00:53:49.400 Again, what's wrong with this?

00:53:53.960 Because we've been told repeatedly that everything on the right

00:53:56.780 is evil and wrong

00:53:58.840 but all I've done

00:54:00.340 is made the minimalistic change

00:54:02.500 from Israeli law

00:54:03.900 go on again

00:54:05.460 the state views the development

00:54:07.760 of the native British settlement

00:54:09.080 as a national value

00:54:10.320 and shall act to encourage

00:54:12.480 and promote the establishment

00:54:13.880 and consolidation

00:54:14.640 English is the language of the state

00:54:17.000 and every native Britain

00:54:18.720 has the right to come to this country

00:54:20.300 as an immigrant

00:54:21.000 all perfectly reasonable

00:54:23.260 all seems desirable frankly

00:54:24.580 and again

00:54:26.180 all of that is apparently bad

00:54:28.540 while everything on the left

00:54:30.000 is apparently good

00:54:31.840 despite us having basically all those things in the bad

00:54:34.720 column before the second world war

00:54:36.340 when we were on the side

00:54:38.700 of it that apparently was the good side

00:54:40.040 according to of course Israel and

00:54:42.560 post-war consensus and

00:54:44.300 we had the demographic conditions we would like to get

00:54:46.600 back to when Jews weren't getting stabbed in synagogues

00:54:48.480 yep

00:54:49.580 you guys were safe

00:54:52.100 when you didn't have a bunch of Muslims and other

00:54:54.560 random foreigners here

00:54:55.940 that don't have

00:54:56.480 as high opinion of you

00:54:57.520 so why are you

00:54:58.480 so insistent

00:54:59.420 to have them stay

00:55:00.360 let's get to the

00:55:01.340 Steve Laws bit

00:55:02.200 a child

00:55:05.060 and a grandchild

00:55:06.260 of a native Britain

00:55:07.160 spouse of a native Britain

00:55:08.580 and the spouse

00:55:09.320 of a child

00:55:09.920 and grandchild

00:55:10.660 of a native Britain

00:55:11.540 that's getting a bit

00:55:12.700 Steve Laws-y

00:55:13.480 no it's actually

00:55:14.380 way more permissive

00:55:15.820 than Steve is

00:55:16.560 he says that

00:55:17.720 mixed race people

00:55:18.460 even if they've got

00:55:19.400 you know

00:55:20.000 alright okay

00:55:20.540 so it's a bit to the left

00:55:22.160 it's a bit to the left

00:55:22.900 of Steve

00:55:23.240 but basically

00:55:23.980 british ancestry yeah which is totally reasonable again i'm directly lifting from israeli law

00:55:31.960 we hereby declare that the establishment of a native british state in britain to be known as

00:55:36.940 the state of britain and um what's this one natural and historic rights will be open for

00:55:43.040 native british immigration again everything on my list is it's just that that's just what we believe

00:55:51.640 So genuinely, if you are a Telegraph writer

00:55:55.280 or you're otherwise a proponent for Judaism or Israeli,

00:56:01.700 and I'm not coming out of this hostility,

00:56:03.080 I don't have a problem with Israel having any of this stuff on the left.

00:56:06.320 I think it's perfectly fine.

00:56:07.820 I think you should have that.

00:56:09.240 I just think I should have it as well.

00:56:11.180 And I need you to walk me through why exactly you can have that,

00:56:17.780 but I can't have that.

00:56:19.320 And if it's that you think that Jews are just better people, then tell me.

00:56:26.300 I'd genuinely like to know what it is that means that you can have this thing and I can't have this thing.

00:56:31.380 If the answer is because of the Holocaust, okay, well, tell me that.

00:56:36.320 Again, I would like to know what the reason is, although then I would have questions,

00:56:41.140 because we have the 1971 mass killing of the Bengalis.

00:56:46.560 um okay well that was a that was a genocide as well that was that was a massacre and yet there

00:56:54.040 was twice as many of them bangladeshs and bengalese in britain as there was jews

00:56:58.940 you know what what about the what about the sikhs there's twice as many sikhs as there are jews in

00:57:03.600 this country and and we can point to the 1984 killings of them the mass killings of them about

00:57:08.480 the grooming gangs there are october 7th exactly yeah i mean i i was just going down you know

00:57:13.920 foreign list is like, you know, Rwandans or Yazidis or Armenians. It's not just one people

00:57:21.760 who have experienced a genocide. And as you're absolutely right, you know, we have had horrendous

00:57:28.180 crimes committed against us as well. I mean, one poor girl was turned into a bloody kebab. She was

00:57:32.480 raped and then put into a kebab. That is right up there with bloody lampshades and all the rest of

00:57:38.800 the stuff that danny finkelstein was talking about the other day so i just want an ex i gen i

00:57:44.640 gen so come on somebody come on and i'll be very polite sit you down in the second studio make you

00:57:50.580 a cup of tea uh or you know whatever whatever your beverage is and let's have a conversation about

00:57:55.760 this genuine offer explain to me why all of that is perfectly acceptable and the exact same thing

00:58:06.200 for my people is unacceptable walk me through the logic and if possible you could also explain to me

00:58:13.780 why nobody on the right was talking about the jews we were talking about as as i as i started

00:58:20.140 with this thing at the beginning you know incidents like this why did you see us talking

00:58:25.660 about stuff like that and hear yourself in it it doesn't it again it's genuine i don't understand

00:58:32.220 what the thinking process is

00:58:34.040 so somebody come on

00:58:35.140 and explain this to me

00:58:36.000 and I'll give you a fair hearing

00:58:37.000 and we talk about it

00:58:37.760 okay

00:58:37.940 good

00:58:39.400 should we leave the rumble

00:58:42.120 around to the end

00:58:42.600 and go straight on

00:58:43.040 steady

00:58:43.280 no no you can

00:58:44.100 you can read them

00:58:44.940 there was a good one

00:58:46.140 there's a

00:58:46.700 yeah there we go

00:58:48.540 so

00:58:51.700 we did that one

00:58:53.400 oh did we

00:58:53.880 yep just the three at the top

00:58:54.840 oh you got the fancy

00:58:55.640 orange one

00:58:56.720 okay fine

00:58:57.220 in which case

00:58:58.460 the fight for the

00:58:59.560 biggest victim

00:59:00.780 is just as tiring

00:59:01.800 at this point

00:59:02.660 oh they keep

00:59:05.100 they keep

00:59:05.440 they keep coming in

00:59:06.600 Hapsification says

00:59:07.980 we should be like

00:59:08.940 the Indians

00:59:09.560 with their

00:59:10.000 anchor immigration

00:59:10.780 policy

00:59:11.540 Oklador says

00:59:14.940 does this mean

00:59:15.740 all British expats

00:59:16.660 can make a statement

00:59:17.400 about Britain

00:59:18.080 being the ancestral

00:59:19.060 home

00:59:19.460 obviously

00:59:19.880 Dragon Lady says

00:59:21.360 it's easy Dan

00:59:21.900 the reason is that

00:59:22.500 native Britons are white

00:59:23.740 what fine

00:59:25.060 somebody come on

00:59:25.920 and tell me that

00:59:26.440 just explain it to me

00:59:27.940 and then I might have

00:59:28.920 a few more follow up

00:59:29.600 questions but I'd like

00:59:30.340 somebody to explain it to me

00:59:31.180 white people are the villains of the world yeah but somebody somebody come on and tell me directly

00:59:35.560 that's what's going on and the fig teacher says when you ask the questions about the british

00:59:39.540 demography by the likes of phillips simply reply with i want the same britain as you want for

00:59:43.220 israel well that that is my position i did in person and she said i don't think that

00:59:47.080 ethno-nationalism is going to get very far in britain and then she wrote a massive sub stack

00:59:49.960 about the lotus ears yep

00:59:51.840 all right it's working there it is disappeared okay good right so

01:00:08.300 you may have heard that the name jason rd i've done two segments about him one segment

01:00:18.280 on the main channel, another on the daily one.

01:00:21.540 I think that's the longest daily that I've done.

01:00:24.340 It's 50 minutes.

01:00:25.700 But apparently GovUse, because it's an interesting story.

01:00:30.280 But I've started as the fake professor guy.

01:00:32.520 Well, Dan, I think you may be a bit hard on him.

01:00:35.440 So I don't know if we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

01:00:39.260 Yeah, so I will try to give the benefit of the doubt

01:00:42.540 to Jason R.D.

01:00:43.620 Didn't you already resign using an AI registration?

01:00:46.680 yes but that's that's kick-ass that's you know just never break character perhaps stay true to

01:00:53.720 yourself maybe i mean did i hear right that he was illiterate until 18 or something like that

01:00:57.760 um well let's see okay right so there have been several delicious crash outs about it

01:01:03.820 and um i want to give him the benefit of the doubt and uh you know you know let's see what

01:01:11.380 happened and there is some very funny you know side on all this and for this segment i'm going

01:01:17.360 to do something completely different than what i did in the previous segments i'm going to show

01:01:21.580 you the fun stuff but also i think it we should give him the benefit of the doubt right so here

01:01:26.920 is james o'brien saying this is one of the most extraordinary interviews i've ever conducted

01:01:32.200 it is also by some distance the one that has most defied my expectation jason our day is a

01:01:40.000 remarkable and brilliant man.

01:01:42.220 If you only listen to one podcast this week,

01:01:44.660 make it this one.

01:01:45.840 That was 2023.

01:01:46.540 That was 2023, April the 22nd.

01:01:49.640 He's always been a gullible drunk, so.

01:01:52.120 And you know how he feels now?

01:01:54.700 Like a mug?

01:01:55.660 He feels like a mug,

01:01:57.120 but I think he may be hard on himself.

01:02:00.060 Because I want to, as I said before,

01:02:02.420 I want to give the benefit of the doubt

01:02:05.020 to Jason Arday.

01:02:06.580 So here he says,

01:02:07.660 he thought I was someone who would stick up for him

01:02:10.460 and he feels now like a mug

01:02:12.500 he looks like one as well

01:02:13.600 do we get to hear him call himself a mug

01:02:15.520 yes of course

01:02:16.260 oh go on then

01:02:17.100 I would never deny you such a mug

01:02:20.240 what's your takeaway here

01:02:21.480 because mine is very very personal

01:02:22.980 I can't separate the personal from the public

01:02:24.940 I feel like a mug

01:02:27.400 actually is the short answer

01:02:29.980 I don't feel guilt

01:02:32.740 I don't feel oh you should have done differently

01:02:34.880 or you should have done better

01:02:36.040 because I mean who would

01:02:37.260 who would meet a Cambridge professor and immediately start thinking,

01:02:40.280 God, I wonder whether you actually deserve to be a Cambridge professor.

01:02:43.020 I certainly wouldn't do that.

01:02:44.120 If I was a racist and I met a black Cambridge professor,

01:02:46.680 then I probably would find myself thinking,

01:02:48.980 yeah, really, black guy, professor, I don't think,

01:02:52.140 but I'm not a racist, so it didn't cross my mind.

01:02:54.680 But it's more the personal contact that I've had with him subsequently

01:02:57.920 that makes me feel like a mug.

01:02:59.840 The fact that he thought I was someone that he might be able to persuade

01:03:03.040 to stick up for him when he knew that he'd done wrong.

01:03:08.180 Well, he didn't think it.

01:03:09.520 He knew.

01:03:10.180 He played you like a fiddle

01:03:11.120 because you're the only person who's more retarded than he is.

01:03:13.960 Like, as Dan said, if you were racist in that situation,

01:03:16.460 you would actually be more accurate.

01:03:17.740 So saying, I'm a good little anti-racist,

01:03:20.000 and isn't it morally good that I got tricked?

01:03:22.480 No, you stupid little garden gnome.

01:03:24.000 You can be clowned yourself.

01:03:25.860 But also he should feel like a mug.

01:03:27.940 Yeah.

01:03:29.080 A, he is a mug, and second, he's talking about academia.

01:03:31.780 and in academia i guarantee you the nine out of ten academics look at everyone else and they say

01:03:37.680 well why did this person get the job they're unqualified their research is bullshit you see

01:03:43.080 his um his like autobiographical story about how he's apparently mugged by two guys and then later

01:03:49.380 on he ran into his two muggers in a lecture and identified them and he forgave brian no um the

01:03:56.980 black professor Jason Hardy that's the one and he forgave them and they formed such a great

01:04:01.540 emotional bond that he actually became the godparent one of their children did he get

01:04:05.440 his wallet back I don't know I mean he became a godfather so I suppose that he's gonna pay

01:04:10.660 pay for the christening and stuff right here we have Aaron Bastani watched this presentation by

01:04:16.660 Jason Hardy at UCL he says nothing for over 40 minutes it's genuinely impressive to talk for so

01:04:22.660 long and say nothing. It's not impressive. I mean, it's just political commentary. This isn't someone

01:04:28.160 who was overpromoted. You can still be smart and have that happen. This is a con man. Right. So

01:04:33.840 some people have gone hard on him. Nathan Kofnus is one of them. He has this sub-stock article.

01:04:42.360 I've mentioned it before. DI fraud and cover up at Cambridge. And he has here several passages from

01:04:48.620 the PhD of Jason Arday here. That was passed in 2015. And here is the PhD by Paula Zwosdiak-Meyers

01:05:02.380 that was passed six years ago. And you can see here in yellow highlight text, it's verbatim

01:05:09.560 copying and paraphrasing on minor alterations. But I want to say, is this, maybe is this a bit

01:05:15.820 harsh because I mean, you know, it's like music, right? You know, you can play with the same four

01:05:21.100 chords. You can play endless songs. Well, like Steven Seagal. Right. So you can just scroll down

01:05:31.660 here. Just, I mean, it could be a coincidence. Couldn't it? Could be a coincidence. Just

01:05:38.700 afterwards sentences. You scroll down just very slightly because it's actually, it's actually so,

01:05:43.980 Isn't he... Hang on.

01:05:45.100 He forgot the italics bit.

01:05:48.060 He's so lazy and incorrect that he's also gotten the wrong page number in his plagiarism.

01:05:54.380 He's literally copying verbatim.

01:05:58.780 He put it in order to gaslight them and say, no, this can't be it.

01:06:02.860 He's like the Riddler leading clues to the scene of the crime.

01:06:05.500 But also, this isn't the page of the Paul Zwozdiak Myers. This is what Paul Zwozdiak

01:06:14.140 Myers is quoting from another text. So he's just changing. And there is another Substack

01:06:20.940 article called Cambridge University's Disgrace by Michael Humer. And he's talking about Jason

01:06:27.180 jason are they again professor are they here's professor are they um you know

01:06:32.600 am i gonna get in trouble if i if i question the racity of that as well yes right okay you will

01:06:41.060 get in trouble by everyone yes jason obviously that that happened in the 1960s very shiny man

01:06:49.380 went to the moon but i want to show you the uh the writing skills and maybe they have been a bit

01:06:54.160 hard on him and harsh on him without a good reason maybe it's just okay he just made a mistake

01:07:01.020 people make well he accidentally copied out a textbook um if you're really harsh but maybe here

01:07:08.080 he just you know just he maybe coined phrases because you know some people look at language

01:07:14.460 and they see mistakes and others look at new evolving language games well it's like the term

01:07:20.520 enormity i've heard people saying i dislike the term enormity it doesn't make sense and others

01:07:25.580 saying well it it it's sort of it's a new english phrase is it really a word because i've heard it

01:07:33.220 as far as i'm concerned it's a word because i know what it means when you say it so right but uh let's

01:07:39.300 see here because you know it's also in in poetry some people are poets and poets use language that

01:07:45.040 language that uh that is particularly inventive i mean wasn't shakespeare isn't shakespeare

01:07:50.520 credited with coining several phrases and terms i'd like to think that i've so maybe we are looking

01:07:57.360 at a new shakespeare here right he misspelled his own hyperlink increasing diagonyces of mental

01:08:05.080 illness isn't he the guy that lived in a pot in the middle of athens maybe yeah even i could spot

01:08:10.980 that spelling mistake

01:08:11.960 in the hyperlink

01:08:12.740 yeah I know

01:08:13.220 I can't spell

01:08:14.360 wait

01:08:14.660 will enviably

01:08:15.860 impact

01:08:16.660 attainment

01:08:17.560 outcomes

01:08:18.280 the best one is

01:08:19.100 destabilises

01:08:20.280 individuals

01:08:20.960 mental facilities

01:08:21.840 your mental

01:08:23.860 toilet is clogged

01:08:24.840 no vacancy

01:08:27.480 facilities

01:08:28.680 racism is

01:08:31.300 unlikely

01:08:31.940 to ever go away

01:08:33.240 if you keep

01:08:33.540 behaving like this

01:08:34.060 owing to its

01:08:34.820 penetrative

01:08:35.820 divisive

01:08:36.740 and persistence

01:08:37.720 nature

01:08:38.500 this is like a

01:08:39.540 Tariq Nasheed

01:08:40.400 tweet

01:08:40.720 right the mental health paper is he talking about stabbings there no idea the mental health paper

01:08:47.580 promises insight into the barriers to preventing access and uptake right there is a cultural

01:08:55.880 cognizance and sensitivity that is are required there were no visible interpretation services

01:09:05.500 were available i mean speaking of somebody who can't spell and doesn't check things twice before

01:09:12.640 tweeting i mean some of this is the type of stuff that i would post but then i'm not a cambridge

01:09:17.740 professor maybe that's the beginning of a genocide but this also isn't a peer-reviewed

01:09:21.800 journal article as in like this is your oh this was a peer-reviewed journal yeah go up i need to

01:09:27.480 reinvest inequitable structures, heightens feelings of sensibility and vulnerability,

01:09:35.040 right? Services that have a designated remittance to support the mental well-being,

01:09:39.480 the impact of cultural pressure and expectation in this phenomena.

01:09:44.160 There are few opportunities available for them. Gain these types of opportunities.

01:09:49.800 Anyway, so now I'm going to stay on topic and I'm not going to change topic and we're going

01:09:55.560 to talk about spartacus season one episode seven i'm getting tonal whiplash i don't remember that

01:10:01.260 particular episode what was significant about it stillios right so several things right in fact

01:10:06.720 it's a gateway to another dimension it's like the fent what it's like a fentanyl it takes it to

01:10:13.960 another dimension i've suffered a severe head injury in the last 30 seconds or something what

01:10:17.860 is going on possibly but i am gonna give you a mental diagonese and i'm gonna say you're good

01:10:22.840 right so you're gonna pluck a chicken and great and unfortunate things do you remember season one

01:10:27.460 i haven't watched episode seven um it was aired march the 5th 2010 i think i did watch some of

01:10:36.020 it but it was years ago the only bit i remember is when the boss guy rogers a servant in a bath

01:10:40.440 right uh this is very much connected to our story

01:10:45.240 because because jason or professor are there is a thracian right let's look at this here he's a

01:10:53.760 thracian yeah the cambridge professor who resigned amid the plagiarism scandal is now accused of

01:10:59.280 living lifting some of his life story from sporadicus blood and sand no no yes it's just

01:11:07.680 Do you remember when E. Jean Carroll lifted her, allegedly, lifted her story about being

01:11:14.160 ravished by Trump in a department store in Macy's from a Law and Order episode? And she said,

01:11:19.760 I'm a big Law and Order fan, but I haven't seen that particular episode.

01:11:24.000 Right. So the plot thickens or thickeness, right? Do you need an extra mental diagony?

01:11:32.560 You'll need one after this.

01:11:34.440 Right, so Jason Aldean apparently plagiarised his memoir title and origin story,

01:11:41.060 not just the title of his memoir, which I think is going to be published today.

01:11:46.520 And his origin story.

01:11:49.360 He plagiarised Spartacus for his origin story.

01:11:55.360 Maybe.

01:11:56.200 Somebody's going to spot that.

01:11:57.640 Well, they've spotted a lot of it now, but that's a bit of a reach.

01:12:01.680 Do you remember the first episode of the Doctor Who revival? I'm referencing this a lot today.

01:12:05.820 But when Mickey gets eaten by a dustbin and gets turned into plastic, he looks exactly like him.

01:12:10.000 Right. So Jason R. Day apparently plagiarized his memoir title and origin story from the TV

01:12:15.900 show Spartacus. Now, there's also another question. Why have we instantly said it's

01:12:22.780 Jason R. Day who plagiarized Spartacus and not Spartacus who plagiarized Jason R. Day?

01:12:28.260 Well, he is Spartacus. And I'm Spartacus.

01:12:30.760 Yeah, but why, well, apparently the producers are in Spartacus because, yeah, but why did

01:12:38.420 we all rush to think that this is something that Professor Arday plagiarized from Spartacus

01:12:44.760 instead of the other way around?

01:12:46.960 Because it came out 16 years ago.

01:12:48.560 Right.

01:12:48.940 So let's see here.

01:12:50.840 And we have this in the same, Professor Jason Arday's memoir is entitled.

01:12:58.600 Great and unfortunate thing.

01:13:00.520 That is like a portent from the gods.

01:13:02.500 This is also the title of episode 7 of the first season of Spartacus,

01:13:06.760 Blood and Sand, broadcast in 2010.

01:13:09.880 Yeah, but he was born in 1985.

01:13:13.120 In the television drama, the words originate in a prophecy

01:13:16.580 made by Spartacus' wife, Sura.

01:13:19.740 If he goes to war, he is destined for great and unfortunate things.

01:13:24.440 I mean, if it's just great and unfortunate things,

01:13:27.500 that is a phrase that you could come up with independently.

01:13:30.320 Exactly.

01:13:31.460 Yeah.

01:13:31.940 The same applies for every other passage.

01:13:35.540 Well, I mean, it starts to get a bit improbable

01:13:39.380 when you're on line 37 and it's all the major.

01:13:42.060 It's not impossible, though.

01:13:44.140 Well, if there are infinite universes

01:13:49.500 and Jason Arday is the monkey at the typewriter,

01:13:52.500 then I guess...

01:13:54.380 Well, if you believe that possibility requires

01:13:58.780 the multiple words hypothesis, which means that for X to be possible, there is a possible world

01:14:05.780 in which X is actual, then there is a possible world in which Jason Arday has not plagiarized.

01:14:12.200 Are you reading all of these quotes?

01:14:13.500 How do you know that this is not this world? Right, let's move on. Let's move on. The episode

01:14:20.460 returns to Spartacus to his memories of Sura while obliging him to perform a counterfeit version of

01:14:25.560 his Thracian identity, for the entertainment of a Roman audience. And he used this for his life

01:14:37.760 origin. So in Spartacus, there is this exchange. Sura says, the gods came to me last night.

01:14:48.180 Don't be mean. In my sleep. What did they show you? My husband on his knees,

01:14:54.220 bowing before a great red serpent, the life draining from his veins. What meaning did you

01:15:00.480 take from it? A warning. If you go to war, you're destined for great and unfortunate things.

01:15:05.800 The Getty worshipped the mountain wolf to place no faith in snakes. It was just a dream. And if

01:15:11.220 it isn't, blah, blah, blah. He can't have copied that. Well, maybe, but also maybe not. Maybe we're

01:15:19.380 in the universe where he didn't copy it. So they say that essentially, these are the prophecies

01:15:24.940 that appear in Mr. R. Day's prologue of his book, where instead of citing Spartacus explicitly,

01:15:33.860 the characters in the book merely appear to effect dialogue from the show. First, there is the scene

01:15:38.860 of Mr. R. Day's birth in 1985, in which the midwife pronounces to his mother called Gif,

01:15:45.400 this boy's destined for great things so essentially he took the part from spartacus

01:15:51.700 about a prophecy destiny you know and then there is the other shaman that when he went to brazil

01:15:59.540 and latin america to uh to there's a shaman now yeah there's a shaman who also told him that

01:16:05.960 oh that you're destined for great and unfortunate things right and let's see here i think we see

01:16:13.240 hear jason all day on mount everest and according to climate warrior he says this is a photo of us

01:16:19.960 together on mount everest that jason didn't even use oxygen i mean there does appear to be an

01:16:28.380 oxygen deficit to the brain and here we see him uh you know uh with horatio nelson

01:16:36.380 i'm having doubts you think so maybe yeah it's like that tweet of where it's like you can just

01:16:44.300 make up black history you can just invent it and they'll believe it right so here we have someone

01:16:48.920 who just just race swap the existing one here we have someone who rushed to say that he knows

01:16:55.360 jason rd but okay why am i supposed to take his word over over professor rd's word let's listen

01:17:01.720 to him man he's moving wild listen i knew it was a joke thing and i knew it was fraud from from

01:17:08.580 man said he was a mute what do you mean bro i went to school with you bro i was in primary

01:17:14.320 school with you you and my brethren nips class clowns chatty patty chatty patty all the time

01:17:20.920 bro what do you mean you was a mute listen i knew it was a joke thing you get me the r days

01:17:27.020 This is what we used to call them, the R days.

01:17:29.240 That man used to be like Michael Jackson and that.

01:17:32.740 The mum, the dad, and his brother Joseph.

01:17:35.520 They all had mini afros.

01:17:37.480 All of them, bruv.

01:17:38.260 When I saw him in the picture and I saw long dreads look like extension tights,

01:17:42.520 I was like, who's this?

01:17:44.380 But yeah, bruv, it's bait.

01:17:46.320 You should have known it was going to be peak for you, bruv.

01:17:48.760 You should have known they were going to dig up.

01:17:50.320 No one don't want to see you in that position.

01:17:53.380 I hate that having gone to school in South East London,

01:17:55.580 and I understood every word of that, actually.

01:17:57.200 Yeah, it was a joke thing.

01:18:00.040 Basically, the guy was a class clown,

01:18:02.420 and he was making a fool of himself,

01:18:03.520 and he snuffed him out as a fraud

01:18:04.700 for the moment that he saw him.

01:18:06.420 And originally, his parents had what would be classed as nappy hair,

01:18:11.120 and now he's got the Predator dreads, and it's just laughable.

01:18:13.060 And wasn't there something about...

01:18:15.180 Was our day pretending to be a mute?

01:18:17.160 Yes.

01:18:17.600 Yes.

01:18:17.920 He pretended he was mute when he was 18.

01:18:19.740 And he learned to...

01:18:20.900 He said that he learned...

01:18:21.980 Listen to this.

01:18:22.840 Probably should have stayed mute.

01:18:23.660 We look at new ways.

01:18:25.220 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:18:26.200 He said that he spoke for the first time at age 11,

01:18:30.340 learned to read and write at age 18,

01:18:33.100 diagnosed with autism at age three.

01:18:36.460 He clearly just has borderline personality disorder,

01:18:38.400 just bullshitting his way through life.

01:18:40.140 Right.

01:18:40.640 So there is a clip.

01:18:41.580 Yeah, but he gets to be a Cambridge professor, so...

01:18:44.340 Yeah, but there is a clip.

01:18:45.300 I want you to notice this and tell me if, you know,

01:18:48.740 he is smarter than you think.

01:18:50.600 Let's watch this part of the clip.

01:18:52.040 It depends how smart I think he is.

01:18:53.000 more accessible for everyone what can we do to ensure that this isn't a marked appointment in

01:18:59.940 five years time how can this become the norm we've listened to the voices of our black scholars and

01:19:06.180 our black students um and some of it has not been easy to hear to be honest but we're able to face

01:19:14.360 up to some of the structural issues that people that people face there will be those i think this

01:19:20.980 tokenistic appointment. What are your thoughts on that? The board of electors on your interview day

01:19:27.380 were absolutely unanimous. We are so lucky to have you. You are the best in the world in terms

01:19:34.740 of the research that you do. He is a phenomenal liar, I'm giving it that. One thing I want to

01:19:40.900 say though, which I found it particularly delicious, and I think it's just an obvious

01:19:47.060 grift, right? So he sits there, he is given the opportunity to become a professor at Cambridge,

01:19:56.180 not fish and chips in college, right? And instead of showing that to his new boss that,

01:20:04.020 hey, you know, I'm going to prove myself worthy of the position and of the institution,

01:20:12.100 he's asking her the question and he's putting the onus of proof on her.

01:20:15.860 How do we lower the drawbridge from what it is?

01:20:18.020 How is the institution going to prove itself worthy of you?

01:20:23.440 And then he comes back and says,

01:20:25.160 how are we going to make this the norm?

01:20:27.220 So he's asking the question.

01:20:29.300 So he walks there like a boss.

01:20:32.680 I mean, I suppose you've got to admire that,

01:20:34.280 but she was implying there was some sort of oral presentation

01:20:38.120 where he made the case and they were all absolutely stunned by it.

01:20:42.880 And you can't plagiarise that.

01:20:44.960 So that presentation must have been so good that they thought,

01:20:50.080 yeah, three of them all independently thought,

01:20:51.900 this guy is amazing, we must have him as a professor.

01:20:54.480 The night before he passed his PhD,

01:20:57.720 he said that he had a brain tumour that had to be removed.

01:21:03.540 So this is just like asking mental health leaves from work.

01:21:10.080 In some cases, okay, don't start trashing me.

01:21:12.560 Dan, this is a Chernobyl, there is no graphite on the roof situation.

01:21:16.420 Right.

01:21:16.740 So I want to talk a bit about some delicious crash outs and I'll speed up due to time.

01:21:23.220 But Alan Lester here, he blocked me because he couldn't handle the truth.

01:21:27.000 He says, disgusted with the Times for presenting this non-story.

01:21:30.580 If it has to be covered at all, it should be framed as discredited racist,

01:21:35.520 smears black Cambridge professor in sustained campaign to undermine him.

01:21:39.520 Why do you sound like James Brown?

01:21:40.880 Quoted and cited sources appropriately, because I want to emulate how one person who feels

01:21:46.720 like a mug and is a mug sounds, right?

01:21:49.440 But Cambridge fired him, didn't they?

01:21:52.320 Yeah, we have Kehinde Andrews saying here, we do get special treatment because we are

01:21:57.200 black, we're made redundant, even though we work twice as hard and we are twice as good.

01:22:01.760 At what?

01:22:03.440 And harder than whom?

01:22:06.000 Just these are some questions that I want Kehinde Andrews to respond to.

01:22:10.560 And you know what was really delicious and actually it exposes the whole DI grift,

01:22:16.400 is that specific accusations are made which require someone to stay on topic in order to

01:22:24.560 answer them. And everyone straightforwardly goes off topic and talks about racism and gaslight.

01:22:30.240 Well, it's pretty hard to defend when he says he was on a television show

01:22:32.640 that was cancelled before he was born.

01:22:34.000 Yes, but we are going to go there.

01:22:36.820 But maybe he traveled back in time.

01:22:39.600 Right.

01:22:40.220 So Professor Hannah Kinsler,

01:22:42.660 the glee of the right over the R-Day case

01:22:45.300 is indicative of how unsafe academia is for black scholars

01:22:49.460 and of an attempt to erode whatever fragile safety still exists.

01:22:54.760 She's going to play the whole,

01:22:55.900 it's the beginning of a genocide card.

01:22:58.280 They're having a field day while many on the left,

01:23:00.540 once again find what is happening too complicated to have a view sorry but if you can't the left

01:23:06.540 isn't a hundred percent maoist ready to go to a cultural revolution that is going to kill the

01:23:12.360 majority of them how bad how sad for them if you can't meet thomas soul's threshold you just don't

01:23:17.780 belong in the academy right and i would never ever miss the opportunity to play this clip to you

01:23:23.180 because i'm interested in your well-being i won't play all of it you people are trying to

01:23:30.300 Kill Jason Ardee or get him killed?

01:23:33.420 Because what the hell is this national circus

01:23:35.700 over Jason Ardee, Jason Ardee, Jason Ardee, Jason Ardee?

01:23:39.640 Did you hear about Jason Ardee?

01:23:41.400 I'm saying, what?

01:23:42.340 Did he commit a freaking crime?

01:23:44.320 Does he owe you money?

01:23:45.580 The only serious allegation made against him

01:23:48.300 was one of plagiarism.

01:23:50.280 Yeah, and that's what he didn't answer.

01:23:53.280 And you started waving knives.

01:23:56.060 But I want to say the last thing

01:23:59.160 I'll say about Jason or they on this, on this, uh, podcast for this season, because he will

01:24:05.400 come back. He will come back and play the victim. Right. So I want, there is an article by the

01:24:11.500 spectator, uh, about a, the guide of, um, a guide to his lies. And I'm going to quickly summarize

01:24:20.900 because I want us to, uh, bear in mind, you know, all this, because we needed to our data pool

01:24:26.900 to establish and ask ourselves whether Jason Arday was lying or not.

01:24:32.200 So I will give you some quick facts that potentially suggest

01:24:36.860 that he merits your mercy and actually your mere...

01:24:42.400 That's it.

01:24:43.460 So athletic prowess.

01:24:45.380 Arday claimed that he once ran 600 miles between Edinburgh and London

01:24:49.420 in six days for charity.

01:24:51.420 What was he doing, breaking the sound barrier?

01:24:52.720 he ran from london to edinburgh in how long six days six days i mean that's um that's bloody

01:25:01.140 impressive he ran 30 marathons in 35 days uh at some point he fractured his leg and he completed

01:25:10.360 the last nine marathons with a fractured leg um and he said to this day i don't really know how

01:25:17.360 i did it he grew a third right the thing is a serious question though to you studios is

01:25:24.600 he at least had to go and find a textbook and then copy it out yeah but but the next generation

01:25:31.960 of jason r days will just type into their ai write me a phd thesis well that's that's what

01:25:39.040 he did with his resignation letter yeah the point with this is that but that's my question to you

01:25:44.640 We're going to get so many more of these.

01:25:46.540 And if the institutions are like, it's really uncomfortable that we don't have more black professors.

01:25:53.640 The thing is that this is how you got caught with an AI program.

01:25:57.920 So we will also have AI programs that establish the degree of overlap between texts.

01:26:04.420 And for instance, I've used some of them.

01:26:06.400 And you can see it's natural to find, you know, very low part because it tracks, you know, basic sentences and stuff.

01:26:13.400 But then you see something like, you know, 50 percent or 86 percent, which I saw.

01:26:18.320 Yeah, it's the problem is, is I can tell you if it's been lifted from a textbook, but it's not just from a textbook, from other programs as well.

01:26:26.320 And it can tell you if it's been generated by AI.

01:26:28.400 The thing is, the thing is, though, it can't.

01:26:30.760 A lot of people think that what was actually happening with all those AI fact checkers is that because the source material is very well written,

01:26:38.860 um because it's basically getting it from books and articles and stuff if you write to that

01:26:46.100 standard ai fact checkers flag you as being ai when you're not actually ai trust me right take

01:26:54.000 the most polished tells well i will have to say that i'm i'm cautious about time and i want okay

01:27:04.120 i want the people of this podcast to have their comments heard at least some of them so i'm going

01:27:09.960 to uh endlessly talk to you about jason are they facts and quotes right so are they claimed that

01:27:16.120 he raised over five million pounds for charity from his marathons and shooting star children's

01:27:23.800 Hospital, and one JustGiving page said they just raised 380 pounds.

01:27:32.160 Another, he claimed that he went to South America and West Africa to install water points.

01:27:38.200 It's so specific.

01:27:39.940 WaterAid said that they never send their volunteers abroad out of respect for the people they

01:27:45.120 work with, and they don't encourage self-funded visits.

01:27:48.640 then he said that there are many physical threats to him he claimed that masked men threatened him

01:27:57.800 twice if he failed to resign the second time at knife point the cctv the cctv in his building

01:28:03.640 showed nothing then he was he uh he apparently overdosed or something watching godfather you

01:28:11.600 know with a with a when they sent the horse head and he said that they sent the pig head

01:28:16.840 pig head to him and when he was trying to tell to the police according to him about the pig head

01:28:24.900 he also told them the butcher from which the pig was bought and slaughtered no idea but both the

01:28:32.440 police said that there's no such investigation and the and the butcher said that they didn't

01:28:38.740 recall selling that pig and also did he have a head uh what was the pig had a head

01:28:46.880 it and there was a mental diagonies of this pig with with um with uh let's say histrionic syndrome

01:28:56.100 yeah but no if you ring up the police and say somebody has put a pig's head in my bed

01:29:00.320 you expect to be able to say and look here it is what did he was he able to they left the receipt

01:29:06.260 apparently. And it said it's from, you know, from-

01:29:09.060 What about the actual pig's head?

01:29:10.500 Well, Sanders, he gave them, he gave it in the form of bacon sandwiches to the police

01:29:14.900 upon arrival so the evidence had been banished.

01:29:18.580 And the university, he claimed to be on 7up that was aired before he was born,

01:29:26.340 but maybe time machine. And he claimed that he was a visiting professor for Nelson Mandela

01:29:31.940 University in South Africa, the University of Glasgow and Ohio State University.

01:29:35.860 all of which have denied that he held such a position.

01:29:39.080 Why would you just make these claims just easily?

01:29:41.600 You've got to be some sort of actual psychotic.

01:29:44.440 No, he made this because he saw a tremendous gap

01:29:48.420 of leadership and potential in academia,

01:29:51.780 and he took advantage of it.

01:29:55.100 But the thing is that Cambridge fell for all of this.

01:29:59.100 Yeah.

01:29:59.520 He was the DEI final boss.

01:30:02.180 If you have this system,

01:30:03.820 you know just

01:30:04.680 the system

01:30:06.120 we sat here listening

01:30:07.000 to you describe this

01:30:07.780 and we're thinking

01:30:08.300 yeah that's a bit silly

01:30:09.680 no one's going to

01:30:10.240 believe that

01:30:10.800 but Cambridge University

01:30:12.260 did believe all of that

01:30:13.460 yeah

01:30:14.300 but they liked the

01:30:15.340 symbolism I think

01:30:16.320 they just hoped

01:30:17.380 that it wouldn't

01:30:18.100 come up

01:30:18.980 right

01:30:19.560 right

01:30:20.220 should we go to

01:30:21.300 the comments

01:30:22.200 alright then

01:30:23.720 Dan do you want to

01:30:25.320 do the last couple

01:30:25.920 of the

01:30:26.340 rumble rants

01:30:27.720 there's two at the top

01:30:28.800 and we can do some

01:30:29.260 comments

01:30:29.600 Dragon Lady says

01:30:32.360 thank you Stelios

01:30:33.360 you could laugh

01:30:34.940 and that's a random name

01:30:36.760 says

01:30:37.040 affluent

01:30:37.720 white liberal

01:30:38.600 urban women

01:30:39.200 awfals

01:30:39.900 oh I like that

01:30:40.720 it's not quite in order

01:30:45.040 but fair enough

01:30:45.840 close enough

01:30:46.640 here we go

01:30:48.720 right

01:30:48.980 comments on

01:30:50.680 the subscribe

01:30:52.900 we love the subscribers

01:30:53.900 good people

01:30:54.980 we do

01:30:55.540 you

01:30:55.780 keep the lights on

01:30:57.220 so thank you

01:30:57.820 have you got

01:30:59.060 some of yours

01:30:59.800 yeah

01:31:00.400 okay I can do some

01:31:01.220 if you like

01:31:01.540 I thought you were

01:31:01.820 just going to read them

01:31:02.280 but

01:31:02.440 Dirty Belter

01:31:03.780 Is Carl who takes over the reading?

01:31:06.180 I don't work here full time

01:31:08.340 I don't know what the protocol is anymore

01:31:09.900 Well, it's this

01:31:11.420 We can just read the comments

01:31:12.860 Dirty Belter, open borders, we are all human

01:31:15.440 For Israel? No, not like that

01:31:16.960 Yeah, that's conspicuous, isn't it?

01:31:18.840 Sophie Liv, it's pretty obvious what Alex is doing here, guys

01:31:21.360 It's not about the larger picture

01:31:22.640 It's about the immediate emotional manipulation of setting herself up as the victim

01:31:25.460 And Charlie as the abuser in power

01:31:26.820 It's very on-the-nose, mean-girl behaviour

01:31:28.200 I will defer to the expert on female psychology

01:31:31.440 our female viewers

01:31:32.620 on that particular one.

01:31:34.160 I just think it's dishonourable

01:31:35.500 all around.

01:31:37.100 Joshua Pearl,

01:31:37.820 I'm surprised it took so long

01:31:39.200 for the liberal Jews

01:31:39.780 to come out of the woodwork

01:31:40.560 and denounce and restore Britain.

01:31:41.760 I hate these people so much

01:31:42.720 and they're literally

01:31:43.240 a part of the same tribe as me.

01:31:44.400 It drives me mad.

01:31:44.940 Well, there we go.

01:31:45.460 We've found a sensible chap.

01:31:48.560 Lord Inquisitor Hector X,

01:31:50.920 sorry, why does the West

01:31:51.780 have any responsibilities

01:31:52.460 to do anything for Israel?

01:31:54.540 Yeah, we don't.

01:31:55.760 And it's also,

01:31:56.480 it undermines the argument

01:31:57.520 that Israel is the front line

01:31:59.300 of the war

01:31:59.740 that they're fighting

01:32:00.260 on your behalf,

01:32:00.820 but also if you want to do the same thing as Israel

01:32:02.520 which allows them to fight that war

01:32:03.860 then you're a racist

01:32:05.100 Dan, take it away

01:32:06.900 They've merged our comments

01:32:09.240 How are we supposed to tell which one is talking about

01:32:11.400 which is the one talking about the Telegraph articles in Israel

01:32:14.800 and which is the one talking about Telegraph articles in Israel

01:32:16.920 Why have they merged it?

01:32:18.500 I don't know

01:32:18.960 Anyway, some chap says

01:32:21.120 well not some chap

01:32:22.720 but I'll just read this one out without attribution

01:32:26.420 He basically says at the end of this

01:32:29.100 the state of our homeland is getting me more right-wing every day,

01:32:34.520 yet this Jewish question stuff is making me dislike Israel and Jews

01:32:37.880 more each every day.

01:32:39.880 They're polluting the discourse, and I was favourable to them as well.

01:32:44.880 That's kind of what I'm driving at with all of this.

01:32:47.800 It's like we weren't having a conversation about the Jews and Israel,

01:32:52.560 but then all of a sudden lots of British Jews and Israel supporters

01:32:57.000 came along and said the conversation

01:32:58.880 that you need to be having is about

01:33:00.120 again I'm not getting

01:33:02.980 why we have to

01:33:04.960 have this conversation

01:33:05.520 why are British Jews and British

01:33:09.000 Zionists inserting themselves

01:33:10.620 into the enemy

01:33:12.720 category? You also don't

01:33:14.880 get to have, don't get to force a national

01:33:16.820 conversation and then expect

01:33:19.140 everyone to have the same

01:33:21.020 take on the issue as

01:33:22.920 you and also expect that you can control

01:33:24.840 for that outcome because it's just going to drive

01:33:26.860 you mad trying to like curb everyone else's expectations yes but there's something that i'm

01:33:33.280 deeply misunderstanding in this is it's like i i don't get why you're injecting yourself into

01:33:38.700 the category of people that we have to have an argument with yeah

01:33:42.160 annie moss swindon grievance factory worker the most wild part of this uh is jason orday doesn't

01:33:50.860 even have a sociology degree his ba and masters are in physical education what yep

01:33:56.540 Cambridge checked. Yeah, that's true. Cambridge checked absolutely nothing about this. Fabulous.

01:34:02.940 I'll tell you this, because in sociology, let me just read this comment, and I'll tell you

01:34:07.620 something that you're going to be delighted to hear. He thought he could get away with it,

01:34:11.640 because he did. His only problem was not stopping the lies. When he said he was a visiting professor

01:34:16.300 at places, it was too easy to check. When it comes to sociology, when they depart from strict

01:34:24.280 scientific method. It's all just subjective. I'm just going to talk to you about the feeling or

01:34:30.080 something. So really qualifications don't matter. And I remember a delightful case where there was

01:34:35.920 a massively obese lady doing fat studies saying that essentially everyone who says that obesity

01:34:51.360 is bad for you is a racist and she continued in academia and i didn't right thank scotty of

01:34:57.780 swindon it's not impossible though yeah but the ancient greeks came up with a philosophical

01:35:03.140 concept of good enough yes it's hard to define any given item in any way that does include that

01:35:08.280 doesn't include other terms but you could define it well enough that it's functional and practical

01:35:12.680 and starmer's fiery but mostly peaceful backdoor you're forgetting that jason orday was one of the

01:35:19.380 show writers for Spartacus and that it was

01:35:21.160 loosely autobiographical

01:35:22.680 and Henry Ashman, the biggest

01:35:25.260 giveaway that he didn't have a brain tumor

01:35:27.140 is he doesn't appear to have a brain

01:35:29.160 and

01:35:30.520 yeah

01:35:32.640 Barnable Warhawk, the fact that Cambridge

01:35:35.340 professors were able to get tricked

01:35:37.160 into giving an illiterate bum

01:35:39.500 a position in their universities

01:35:41.400 a stain on their entire English

01:35:43.140 educational system

01:35:44.340 because they, more than anyone on earth,

01:35:47.160 should have known better.

01:35:48.060 yep

01:35:48.620 yes

01:35:50.680 thank you for

01:35:52.980 watching

01:35:53.520 this podcast

01:35:55.080 with us on it

01:35:55.780 see you on Friday

01:35:57.720 and yes

01:35:58.420 see you

01:35:59.460 is it

01:35:59.940 not Thursday is it

01:36:01.000 no I'm coming back in

01:36:01.900 on Friday for a very

01:36:02.640 fun lads hour

01:36:03.260 ah

01:36:03.680 oh I might be on that one

01:36:05.360 oh good

01:36:05.760 yes

01:36:06.080 I don't think

01:36:06.780 I don't think I'm on the

01:36:07.500 schedule

01:36:07.700 are you on the schedule

01:36:08.480 the rest of this week

01:36:09.300 I have no idea

01:36:11.240 Stelios is getting

01:36:11.900 on the rest already

01:36:12.560 we haven't even wrapped

01:36:13.140 see me and Connor

01:36:13.940 on Friday

01:36:14.580 watch the podcast

01:36:15.540 tomorrow anyway

01:36:16.340 and Stelios at some

01:36:17.980 I think he's preparing for his

01:36:20.380 I'll be around

01:36:20.960 he will be around

01:36:22.600 very good

01:36:23.960 cheerio

01:36:24.600 goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 11, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1481

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