The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1509

00:00:00.400 Hello, and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1509, very terrible year,

00:00:06.320 year that Henry VIII became king. Anyway, it is Friday the 18th of September, 2026,

00:00:13.160 and I'm fortunate to be joined today by Nick.

00:00:15.600 Hello.

00:00:16.000 And also Liz.

00:00:17.340 Thank you for coming in again, Liz.

00:00:18.500 Great to be here.

00:00:19.180 Wonderful. And today we're going to be talking to you all about the Boomer vs. Zuma schism 0.66

00:00:24.100 within Restore Britain. We're then going to be talking about Narnia getting Netflixed. 0.52

00:00:29.440 uh so do stick around to watch um nick's 20 minutes of hate uh which will definitely happen

00:00:36.700 and then we're going to be talking about how trees have rights which somehow feels like a very

00:00:41.420 appropriately quaint sort of like last thing on the friday sort of segment so we should have

00:00:46.340 a good friday show for you all ladies and gentlemen uh one thing a few announcements

00:00:50.640 before we get into the first segment which is that liz and i recorded a two-part series

00:00:56.060 For Chronicles, all about the Song of Roland, this great song of deeds and just a real hallmark in terms of early French literature as well.

00:01:05.880 But we go into all sorts of things in terms of the Christian kingship of Charlemagne, the virtue and sacrifice of his nephew Roland, and the language of the poem is just extraordinary.

00:01:18.700 And the heroic death.

00:01:19.760 And the heroic death as well. So really, really good stuff. Do go and check it out.

00:01:24.540 There is just one more thing I also wanted to draw your attention to, which is the fact that I went to Piddington this week, if you didn't know, and I went there and spoke to a good number of the locals, and so I've come away with some very firm, I suppose the way to put it is, thoughts on the situation currently in Piddington, and if you would like to hear me explore them and my reflections on it, you can head over to our daily channel and listen to what I have to say there.

00:01:52.840 with all of that said then nick tell us what you think of all this okay yes well the restore boomer

00:01:59.540 versus zoomer war is escalating it's broadly speaking a war between the ethnats and civnats

00:02:05.220 we'll get into what all that means and doesn't mean and i'm quite well placed to talk about it

00:02:09.760 because i'm not even a member of restore i can just be totally neutral and be hated and you're

00:02:13.920 not a boomer or a zoomer no i'm a millennial so i'm kind of perfect i mean i'm the boomer on this

00:02:18.020 panel but i'm i'm a millennial so i can just perfectly adjudicate and be hated by on many

00:02:23.720 sides as trump would say um but i think lotus is fairly pro-restorism i like to try and be very

00:02:28.640 neutral but basically both sides are giving no ground so what's happened is this bloke who is

00:02:35.960 jez hermer he was a restore candidate for the dover district council by-election in guston

00:02:41.120 kingsdown and saint margaret took cliff and he did pretty well about 10 right indeed which in

00:02:46.200 the end unfortunately men the greens one but which he does mention he was a royal marine for 23 years

00:02:50.580 and his claim is that restore britain is heading in a dark direction so he's put this piece in the

00:02:55.960 telegraph and i'm going to try and be very fair and look at his argument and look at what the

00:03:00.300 replies are to this all right basically he joined um restore he wanted to he was disillusioned by

00:03:07.640 the conservatives like so many people have been he joined joined advanced uk which is perhaps

00:03:13.180 questionable but then he moved to restore britain uh when it became a think tank then when it became

00:03:17.860 a party he stuck with it fair enough and he talks about being in that by-election and the sort of

00:03:25.440 potential that he perhaps split the vote a little bit which he's slightly concerned about

00:03:28.720 so he kind of goes over all that then the most relevant part is he says my concern is that

00:03:33.500 restore britain risks being pulled away from the broader and somewhat radical political proposition

00:03:37.460 that attracted me towards something narrower harder edged and increasingly ideological so

00:03:42.900 that's his concern um to me it sounds really like he's a textbook reform candidate he's the kind of

00:03:48.460 person they've really alienated because he says in the piece that he was alienated by their treatment

00:03:54.080 of rupert low so really he's the kind of person that reform never needed to lose but they managed 0.66

00:03:59.840 to make that stupid mistake so he's very concerned about the way it's going he says i'm particularly

00:04:05.360 concerned by what i regard as a burgeoning hard right tendency accompanied in some quarters by 0.99

00:04:09.840 ideological purity testing and hostility towards older and more experienced members boomer has

00:04:15.000 become a mantra and a pejorative epithet for generations deemed to have failed britain and

00:04:19.360 which should now get out of the way if a party does not define its own political character early

00:04:23.940 enough it its most determined activists will eventually define it for them so that's his

00:04:30.080 claim that restore not defining what they stand for yes now of course they did just release a

00:04:34.660 document that attempted to clarify exactly these divisions some might say it was a little bit late

00:04:39.800 in coming but it tried to address this exact problem but even from the very beginning when

00:04:44.780 Rupert Lowe came out with that initial video at his farm you know talking about the launch of the

00:04:49.960 party there was this when he said you know Britain is not just a passport right it's our people

00:04:56.540 and I think for for the longest time the problem that we've had is that whether it be you know

00:05:02.460 whichever party it's been all the way from the Greens over to the Tories it has always had to

00:05:07.960 be linked with these caveats and these sorts of yeah but obviously we are we do also care about

00:05:14.760 the foreigners as well and their concerns it's like then it's just more of the same

00:05:18.920 until there is a party that expressly puts us and our interests first then it's just

00:05:25.420 because and the problem as well is that it feels like you know when restore comes on the scene

00:05:31.840 there's something very exciting here there's a lot of dissonant energy that we're obvious and

00:05:36.000 we're desperate to have this conversation as a people about demographic security,

00:05:42.540 because it's one that the establishment refuses to engage with. And the only time they ever do

00:05:47.460 engage with it is to reprimand you and tell you what an evil person you are for caring about such

00:05:52.500 a thing. Yeah, so no party can countenance this at all. And until reform can, and even the Tories,

00:05:58.580 then Restore will continue to exist. Because it's the only party, as you say, it tries to,

00:06:03.120 in that document which i'll get onto it later they try to say yes this is a home for people

00:06:07.140 who are more civic nationalists and and who have a concern about demographic security so it's the

00:06:11.380 only party that's trying to do both reform only does one it only says you're interchangeable

00:06:15.700 everyone's british so restore is the only party that does that as well as trying to do what reform

00:06:19.980 is doing but it's offering this extra part that no one else is and yeah until they do they'll

00:06:25.240 this can will continue because it's a completely reasonable thing but before you move on i think 0.54

00:06:30.340 this kind of illustrates like a theme in party politics um you see this well with the boomers

00:06:36.420 but you also see it with like the zoom as part of restore is um people felt failed by reform

00:06:42.820 so they joined a new party which was restore and now what they're seeing here is oh they're not

00:06:47.540 living up to my standards it's too radical it's not radical enough and it's like a snake continually

00:06:53.540 eating itself again and again and people cherry pick things and then then they jump out and then

00:06:59.300 then they create a new party and then once they've created a new party the same patterns play out

00:07:04.080 and it kind of illustrates that in the political system right now um we as like a people just

00:07:10.460 unable to unify without bickering and infighting um and you see this generationally with like the

00:07:17.020 boomers and the sumers correct yeah and that's why i think both in theory can find a place in

00:07:22.420 the party if they follow what's already been laid out in restore its own literature but it's whether

00:07:26.340 they can manage to do it because there's also the behavioral aspect which is a separate there's the

00:07:29.860 philosophical dispute and then there's this simply like behavior so we're getting into both so he

00:07:34.100 says during my brief but intensive involvement with restore britain i personally witnessed what

00:07:37.560 i regarded as over anti-semitism racism and misogyny and forms associated with the party

00:07:42.040 now i have a bit of a problem here because my thing is the term racism basically has to be

00:07:46.440 retired because we know it allowed for the grooming gangs to go on unpunished we know it

00:07:52.220 allowed for the death of hen we know about to happen and the purge of white men from the

00:07:55.740 workforce any other thing you want to name the amount of evils that have been allowed to happen

00:08:00.580 in britain in the establishment's name of not being racist yeah and there's a meaningless term

00:08:05.980 every single uh every single like tribe of people across the world always prioritize their own their

00:08:11.240 kin and also those tribes who come to britain yeah are entirely self-preferential towards their

00:08:17.840 own as well and so you're asking to compete with them on the level that they're not even willing

00:08:23.680 to extend to you as well. And I think one of the things that frustrates the Zoomers so much 1.00

00:08:28.380 is that you finally have a party like Restored Britain that actually says, yes, actually, 1.00

00:08:34.040 demographic security is important. If this isn't addressed, then we will simply not have a country

00:08:40.200 by the end of this century. And it's like, oh, thank goodness, someone who just gets it,

00:08:45.520 someone who understands that this should be as uncomplicated as breathing, that a nation is

00:08:51.820 made up of its people first and foremost and then you see the sort of the the people who are coming 0.77

00:08:58.340 in it from uh you know the boomer generation who are saying well actually we need to carve out for

00:09:03.300 this and we need to and it's like i can understand where the frustration comes from you're right it's

00:09:09.320 a very normal thing to worry about the continuity of your people it's also quite normal to say that

00:09:14.240 a majority in a country creates more stable countries eric kaufman's done an awful lot of

00:09:18.620 work on this and he's looked at places like kenya where you don't have that so any country does

00:09:22.700 better with a stable majority culture but it's not actually a crazy claim but it gets called

00:09:26.400 ethno-nationalism so we'll get into that but there's a difference of course between now he

00:09:29.840 shouldn't be in the media calling everyone racist there's also a difference to go to the telegraph

00:09:33.440 sorry did he go directly to the telegraph well this is in yeah so they do a piece no no he writes

00:09:38.720 if we could have scrolled he writes his own piece underneath this after they've been barraging us

00:09:43.960 they've clearly been hostile to restore britain especially alice the heath for weeks and weeks

00:09:48.120 and weeks so yes so it's not exactly going to a critical friend at this point so there's that on 0.97

00:09:53.480 the other just to be very fair there is poor conduct and saying stupid things you know i'm

00:09:58.120 sure people have said horrible things and unwise things to him that's quite different so you know

00:10:02.200 i don't condone that either which is why i like people like william cluston who unfortunately 1.00

00:10:06.200 stepped down from the sdp because the policies are actually quite tough it's send illegal immigrants 0.55

00:10:11.080 to ascension island for example but it's done with a conduct that is above reproach which i think is

00:10:16.440 so important yeah and be headbangers but also there's absolutely i think you raised an important

00:10:21.240 point there as well which is that this isn't this is an entire team effort and that means that we

00:10:26.520 don't we shouldn't be saying things above and beyond that are going to win compromise the

00:10:33.000 integrity of of the whole right putting each other in awkward positions right that there is actually

00:10:39.320 i think a broad scope of usefulness and many people since the launch of launch of restore

00:10:45.240 have really done a good job of finding where they fit in to that campaign,

00:10:50.920 whether it be on social media, whether it be on the ground canvassing.

00:10:54.200 But there is certainly a level of it as well, which is that on the one hand, 0.99

00:10:58.160 you absolutely want to take the fight to the media because they're scum and they deserve it, right? 0.97

00:11:03.980 But on the other hand, you also don't want to make things just unnecessarily difficult 0.96

00:11:09.520 in all times, in all places for people that you're supposed to be cooperating with.

00:11:13.980 and you know supposedly are all part of the same movement together with right so he says i've also

00:11:20.880 encountered an increasingly rigid form of ethno-nationalism in which legitimate discussion

00:11:24.640 about ethnicity heritage and demographic change sometimes gave way to hostility towards those

00:11:29.760 expressing a more civic conception of british nationhood so he does allow so-called legitimate

00:11:34.520 discussion and the question is what what is that and how far does it go you see now some it seems

00:11:40.140 like to some of the so-called civnats just it's zero but to someone like this gentleman here it

00:11:45.320 sounds like he's actually saying yeah there is some legitimate area of discussion around demographic

00:11:49.540 change for example so to me you know you have to be all parties are broad churches so it's pointless

00:11:56.300 to be completely hostile towards the other faction but can these two factions ever coexist is an

00:12:00.820 ongoing question and also of course it's much harder for a party like Restore where the media

00:12:06.160 is constantly scrutinizing them and they're considered beyond the pale so for example the

00:12:09.960 Tories can have one group that wants to stay in the EU and their leader is going to campaign for

00:12:14.660 that against the rest of the party yeah that was a bizarre situation really Cameron you know running

00:12:19.380 the remain campaign or being a big part of it was insane if you think about it as being one party

00:12:23.560 but it didn't split so and then Labour of course have at least three factions Blair right so-called

00:12:28.060 soft left and then the absolutely mad left well the Tories did eventually split because Boris got

00:12:33.500 rid of like ken what's it uh clark and i can't yeah ken clark and like a bunch of the old you

00:12:39.720 remove the furniture of the party and you could say reform is a kind of split and the toys under

00:12:44.340 under name but yes but for example there's there's wide coalitions in these parties so

00:12:48.460 that is normal the question is can these can these two work together so the main problem as well is

00:12:53.900 uh the world that restores um walking into is the fact that all their positions are headed by

00:12:59.100 civ-net boomers as a way to sort of be safe in media perception but the problem with that is

00:13:06.720 when you give your highest position to people that don't ideologically agree with you in terms

00:13:11.900 of ethno-nationalism is they end up corrupting the party it's it's a really silly mistake but

00:13:17.680 that is what restore has become yeah well i well if you look at the document which i'll get onto

00:13:23.160 in a minute it's meant to be room for both but we'll see but i know you mean if it if one group

00:13:28.020 takes over those positions and then just only wants their way that is a problem and i think

00:13:32.200 both sides are doing that so he says what concerns me most is not that they're trying political

00:13:36.820 parties will always attract people determined to influence their direction it's how little

00:13:39.840 effective resistance i see from party hq which is kind of to your point um as far as i can see

00:13:44.360 they're on the road to succeeding so he's worried the so-called ethnic side is winning which probably

00:13:48.500 a lot of people watching this would be would see that as a victory to me probably the ideal would

00:13:52.300 be reconciling the two and i'm trying to be very reasonable um of course if reform could have been

00:13:58.020 sensible on this question instead of just ultra liberal none of this would have ever happened

00:14:01.420 and they would never have created restore and the problem is in our electoral system

00:14:05.180 as i said before unless any party can address this concern other than in terms of the pace of

00:14:12.600 change or something like generic like that then these parties will keep cropping up well and also

00:14:16.820 as well it's the one issue part of the reason why um jez has been getting so much kickback about it

00:14:24.060 is because it's the one issue that the younger generation simply will not compromise on nor

00:14:30.480 should they compromise on it because actually all you're asking for is you know the demographic

00:14:36.620 security that the entirety of the country knew and just took as a given before the 1950s and

00:14:43.780 And no one before then was walking around thinking to themselves, yeah, I'm an ethno-nationalist.

00:14:50.260 No, no, it wasn't even as ideological as that.

00:14:52.800 It's just I'm an Englishman or an Englishwoman living in England.

00:14:56.560 It was that simple.

00:14:57.860 It's really not that deep.

00:14:59.140 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:59.760 It's also the fact that boomers have lived a completely different life, a life from sumers. 1.00

00:15:06.500 They've bought the house. 1.00

00:15:07.660 They had the job when they were young.

00:15:09.280 They lived in a safe community where they could flourish.

00:15:13.780 and the reason sumas are so radical is because they've been sold out on all those things 0.59

00:15:18.180 they live in this societal decay which is nothing like the lives that that boomers had when they

00:15:23.220 were growing up yeah and obviously but the the problem with like the boomer mindset is they're 0.52

00:15:27.620 still stuck in this mindset of their 20s they still view the world as the world they grew up on

00:15:33.220 grew up grew up in yeah and and the boomer counter might be something like well you guys are

00:15:38.820 unelectable you're far too extreme you're in an impurity cycle so that's why i think if the sides

00:15:43.220 could actually listen to each other it would be nice call me a wet but um he says uh sounded like

00:15:48.500 a bit of a wet and he says following an article about the by-election in a national sunday

00:15:53.540 newspaper i endured a torrent of online abuse i'd stated that i was not an ethno-nationalist and

00:15:57.140 that as far as i was concerned neither was restore an ethno-nationalist party and he said those

00:16:01.940 sentiments stuck a nerve among parts of restore britain's vocal online support base abuse flowed

00:16:06.580 at pace and in volume across social media and into my inbox i was branded a traitor amongst other

00:16:10.980 unsavory appellations so i think personally you shouldn't call a royal marine veteran a traitor

00:16:16.020 yes um it's better to recognize where he's coming from and as you say that his worldview 1.00

00:16:20.820 his worldview has been shaped by a very different situation to the zoomers basically he should in 0.96

00:16:24.740 a nutshell he should stop calling them racist and they should stop calling him a traitor 0.98

00:16:27.940 that would be the ideal um and what else i'll just try and get to the most relevant he says

00:16:34.260 i see a widening disconnect between the political proposition articulated by low and some senior

00:16:38.500 figures and the culture developing within parts of the activist base now this has been a problem

00:16:42.900 with restore i think since the beginning this feeling of a gulf and i've mentioned this on

00:16:47.220 podcast directly to people like harrison pitt and charlie downs i've said is there a gulf between

00:16:51.420 rupert lowe and the rest of the party because it seems like there is sometimes and then i'm assured

00:16:57.260 privately there isn't and there's these documents do come out but then it kind of feels like that

00:17:01.520 so i think there's something in that criticism to me lowe should hammer a few basic points about

00:17:06.600 the difference between restore and reform he should say something like reform see you as

00:17:10.180 completely interchangeable except for perhaps the use of and sometimes matt goodwin uh but restore

00:17:15.560 don't we actually care about you know the demographic security question he did mention

00:17:19.840 it to be fair in that five point video as an offer to farage perhaps that should have been

00:17:24.640 done in private as farage claimed though then farage would want charlie downs gone which is

00:17:28.980 basically saying you just want restored to be reform so back on the containment yeah so there

00:17:34.640 was no compromise there but so although rupert does mention these terms he sort of slipped that

00:17:38.440 in somebody even told me he didn't mention demographic security because he kind of just

00:17:42.020 slipped it into the it's quite it's mentioned in passing but it is there in the video so the

00:17:47.200 problem is people aren't going to read these long documents so they don't actually know what the

00:17:50.080 party said um so he says more concerningly this no longer feels entirely organic there appears to

00:17:56.360 be some agency within the party's organizational heart that is deliberately or otherwise aiding

00:18:00.600 and abetting what i can only describe as slow motion hijacking of restore britain by the hard

00:18:04.260 right so that's his view on that it's he says if the leadership will not define restore britain

00:18:09.880 others will i fear that process is already underway and this is where they actually did

00:18:14.500 define it in the document i'll get on to but no one seems to it doesn't seem to trickle down

00:18:18.100 really people don't seem to have noticed um so to me everyone needs to just be aware of what the

00:18:22.660 boundaries are in the party and have some sort of discipline because if you followed that document

00:18:26.560 and just stuck to it there wouldn't actually be a problem but then he gets into some drama about

00:18:31.340 he's in a whatsapp group which is probably the sort of thing you shouldn't be talking to the

00:18:34.680 media about yes he says again and again the same themes emerge hostility towards age and experience

00:18:39.400 ideological purity testing intolerance of dissent and verbal aggression towards people

00:18:43.220 whose professional and life experience ought to be an asset to any fledgling political movement

00:18:47.820 so again it's yeah this is the battle i mean they say the boomers are out of touch and don't get it 0.83

00:18:54.240 and they say you're headbangers and and you you can't be elected so this is the thing but of course

00:18:59.540 you shouldn't go to the telegraph for reasons discussed they're not really a friend at this

00:19:02.380 point especially with the new ownership seemingly um so i'll just what else just let me go one thing

00:19:09.020 that i would just um say as well on all of this is the fact that look when you have i i think

00:19:17.240 something that it would be good for um hermit to understand is the fact that none of this has come

00:19:22.420 out of a vacuum right as i say the entire point is that the establishment for all of this time

00:19:29.200 has not wanted to have this conversation and now we finally have a party that seems to be brave

00:19:35.640 enough to have that conversation and as well when when you just look statistically you know

00:19:41.580 throughout what data we have obviously most of the majority of the public are in favor of mass

00:19:47.380 deportations at this point of course and we can't forget as well the fact that um he says that he's

00:19:53.560 sympathetic to the fact to Rupert for you know being kicked out of reform but of course the

00:20:00.700 other point is yeah but why was Rupert kicked out of reform and the reason why Rupert was kicked out

00:20:06.720 of reform was because he said yes also the families who knew about the rape gangs should

00:20:13.220 also be deported right the point was that in Rupert's rhetoric there was something further

00:20:20.820 and i don't even want to say more radical just more robust more sensible something that was

00:20:27.800 demonstrably more than what reform were offering and so to have people then and and to finally

00:20:36.300 have that it's like right entirely just we're going to abandon this political correctness and

00:20:40.660 we're just going to try and say things as we see them to be true and that might be uncomfortable

00:20:46.120 but and when Rupert said in his video what's got what must be done might be extremely painful for

00:20:53.120 all of us but it's trusting the public trusting the intelligence of the public and trusting them

00:20:58.880 to and to to be able to have those uncomfortable conversations about society and one of those

00:21:07.440 things has to be the fact that we are a people and as things currently stand we are on borrowed time

00:21:14.200 yeah yeah i think it's a valid perspective that no party as i said is allowing and occasionally

00:21:19.520 reform do when they're in the mood but they're all over the place on it um he says youth brings

00:21:24.220 energy and new thinking experience brings professional competence perspective and judgment

00:21:27.920 a serious political organization requires both for store britain is not an attractive place for 0.97

00:21:31.460 boomers gen x at all and that's a fair point you know both sides need to behave of course they 0.94

00:21:35.780 won't partly i think the kind of personality profile you need to have to be in something

00:21:40.220 that's hated by the mainstream

00:21:41.500 that you can't say in polite society,

00:21:44.500 you're going to be quite high in disagreeableness.

00:21:46.660 You might say,

00:21:47.300 I just worked in a Jordan Peterson impression,

00:21:49.200 but that could be a slight issue.

00:21:50.540 On the segment, ladies and gentlemen.

00:21:52.560 What do you mean by agreeableness?

00:21:54.080 Yeah, well, it depends what you mean by what.

00:21:56.340 Yeah, I mean, so anyway,

00:21:58.200 it's pretty clear what his perspective is.

00:21:59.680 I've got a lot more,

00:22:00.400 but it's fairly similar stuff in the rest of it.

00:22:04.240 But he says it needs electoral strategy.

00:22:06.600 That's fair enough because when he first passed the post,

00:22:09.360 and that's obviously true um he says the greatest threat is not necessarily from labor the

00:22:14.820 conservatives reform or hostile media it's from allowing its identity to be determined internally

00:22:19.000 before its leadership has properly defined it if restore britain establishes boundaries imposes

00:22:22.980 discipline and reconciles energy with experience it could become a serious political party if

00:22:27.140 ideological intensity and factualism instead narrow its character it may become very good at

00:22:31.020 speaking to a committed political tribe while progressively less capable of speaking to the

00:22:34.760 country it seeks to govern yeah but if i may this was farage's after uh the general election in

00:22:41.300 which they got those five mps including rupert lowe they all of a sudden farage said well what

00:22:46.300 we what the party needs now is professionalization and what that ended up being was professionalization

00:22:52.940 just ended up being a synonym for anybody that might end up having a hit piece from the media

00:22:59.640 just anyone who might be slightly to the right of myself that's actually what professionalization

00:23:04.600 meant it's because like reforms populist party and the fact that they campaign on the concerns

00:23:10.760 of the public in order to get elected but they have no um actual genuine of authenticity in

00:23:18.900 delivering something which is why they don't talk about remigration it's why they'll never

00:23:23.320 touch the topic all they want to do is platform themselves on being the party for the people when

00:23:29.500 what what the people actually want is something radical they're sick and tired of like immigration

00:23:33.920 in their communities they can see it and every single mainstream party out there again and again

00:23:39.900 betrays them as we see with the tories who platform themselves on we're going to deliver

00:23:44.520 brexit we're going to refest the illegal migrant boats and then what does boris johnson do let's

00:23:49.500 in the boris wave it's time and time again the people are just betrayed by the ballot box

00:23:53.980 and it's almost as if the democratic process just means nothing it's just symbolic um so there needs

00:24:01.980 to be a natural authentic genuine party out there and this is why it's restore needs to choose its

00:24:09.940 position are they with the civnet boomers or are they for re-migration and they need to be truly

00:24:16.280 clear about that which they have been with their re-migration policy paper but they need to address

00:24:21.160 the boomer issue yeah well they put out this document recently called restoring our identity

00:24:25.600 which tried to as far as i can see tried to reconcile these positions i mean herman they're

00:24:30.180 saying they need to define it to me they try to do that in this document it may be a bit small for

00:24:35.260 some viewers it said demographic security as restore britain understands it is not a demand

00:24:39.280 for ethnic purity that is not what we stand for it never has been nor do i accept and it's i it's

00:24:43.680 because it's written in the voice of rupert nor do i accept the attempt to force our politics into

00:24:47.480 the labels of either ethno-nationalism or civic nationalism neither describes our position as we

00:24:53.040 do not believe that it's conducive to a healthy political environment for debates to be reduced

00:24:56.460 to simplistic labels and name-calling.

00:24:59.000 We believe that Britain's historic peoples

00:25:00.480 are continuity in our inheritance matter.

00:25:02.420 We also believe that British citizenship

00:25:03.780 once legitimately conferred establishes membership

00:25:06.280 of the country and equality before our law.

00:25:08.600 These principles are not contradictory.

00:25:10.940 And we could go on, but there is some more good bits.

00:25:14.940 We're basically trying to say both.

00:25:17.020 Both exist.

00:25:18.640 They're concerned with continuity,

00:25:20.000 historic communities of Britain's,

00:25:21.380 whether they can survive across generations,

00:25:23.160 but they also recognise there's such a thing

00:25:24.700 as legal citizenship,

00:25:25.520 that they say they'll be you know stricter with how they grant it of course and so it does attempt

00:25:31.100 to reconcile those two positions yeah but but also as well there's this um attempt to obfuscate

00:25:37.500 by uh disingenuous people or not people on our side as well just you know like the regular

00:25:42.680 talking heads of the establishment who like Piers Morgan or whatever he'll come out and be like oh

00:25:47.220 well you know we've got some Irish heritage so would you deport me or whatever it's like look

00:25:51.180 peers no one is talking about your irish grandfather yeah we're talking about the fact

00:25:56.160 that there are just just loads and loads of somalians in social housing in london we're 0.98

00:26:01.960 talking about all of the indians that we've learned who haven't integrated we're talking

00:26:05.940 about the enclaves of months like can we just right these things are not the same yeah and

00:26:11.580 you pretending that they are that someone with like an irish grandfather which is in

00:26:16.500 any way equitable with someone who just arrived in the past five years in the Boris wave is just

00:26:22.040 disingenuous. Of course when people talk about re-migration they're not talking about Europeans

00:26:25.520 they're not talking about Poles or French people or even like Americans or Canadians. Maybe a few

00:26:29.840 there are too many French in London that's just I'm joking. I think France is white full British 1.00

00:26:35.940 territory anyway. Last time you're coming on the show. I think we should retake France. He's saying

00:26:41.420 retake france all right it's not even more based i don't think edward fast would be too happy with 1.00

00:26:49.520 you anyway but the problem is is third world immigration that who's like who are just so 1.00

00:26:58.560 fundamentally different from us in their outlook in life and how they behave um they we can't like 1.00

00:27:05.580 coexist with them whatsoever and that's the main problem here um and i i really like um what

00:27:12.460 restore has said in their philosophy and i wish that because most people don't read policy papers

00:27:17.360 most people don't really have the time that they would just come out and say this on video but it's

00:27:21.560 true it's we have to like stop looking at things in black and white obviously when we talk about

00:27:26.680 re-migration we're not talking about um re-miking re-migrating every single immigrant including like

00:27:32.920 the europeans we're talking about re-migrating people that shouldn't be here that we cannot 0.96

00:27:38.420 coexist with and are fundamentally different from us yeah so exactly if they just follow this

00:27:44.120 document because if you just go full reform there's no point in restore existing but if you

00:27:48.740 go too far the other way it probably is true you won't get elected so i think having both is

00:27:53.380 reasonable if people can be disciplined and reasonable just for time i'll just see um

00:27:58.060 just how it's going down yeah it's not going down too well amongst some of the restore activists

00:28:02.300 is Callum here saying this is the second person from the softer wing of the party, meaning Herman,

00:28:07.160 to go running straight to the papers to smear, restore.

00:28:09.120 What's more concerning is that they seem to be operating independently

00:28:11.540 and are coordinating to bring down the party. 0.59

00:28:13.640 I would wager this is why some Sivnats have been trying to revoke, restore the nationalist base

00:28:16.880 in order to generate sob stories.

00:28:18.900 So obviously it's a little bit like when Tim Montgomery kept going to the media and saying

00:28:22.080 reform has a message discipline problem.

00:28:24.180 It's like, right, but you're also breaking message discipline right now.

00:28:27.620 So it's, you know, can Herman really go and say, hey, well, they need to get their discipline and boundaries.

00:28:31.420 like one of those could be running to the media you know he may have left now but there's no need 0.82

00:28:36.020 to anyway um and this gives a zoomer perspective i'm generally getting sick of boomers telling

00:28:41.680 everyone what they should be doing and what they should be believing they're so quick to blame the

00:28:45.720 young people for being more radical but have they ever realized why if they dealt with this country

00:28:50.260 we wouldn't be in the mess in the first place do you think we like sacrificing our best years to

00:28:54.500 be called racist by the likes of you i thought it was a good point here from sydney jones because

00:28:58.220 it's like yeah we we don't love what's happened but we're doing we're doing what we feel we have

00:29:02.780 to now and you're just attacking us and then for total fairness this is the other side just scanning

00:29:07.920 the tweets today i'm picking up from the more active but always anonymous elements of restore

00:29:11.740 britain support base that they don't want to be associated with anyone who has fought for their

00:29:15.060 country owns their own house has lived through good and bad times has an advanced degree is an

00:29:19.300 expert in anything is over 40 isn't permanently angry doesn't seek to promote division among

00:29:24.060 fellow potential members to soothe his or her weak ego, wants to offer solutions at work rather than

00:29:28.640 conform to ideological purity, has paid lots of tax and continues to do so, has consistently

00:29:33.640 opposed the noxious actions of successive governments, has risked their jobs and reputations

00:29:38.320 in standing up for Britain, plays the ball rather than the man or woman, has the courage to

00:29:44.500 actually identify who they are on social media, is capable of plotting and shaping a route to

00:29:49.160 local and national power. Is that right? Asking for a friend. Sorry, I messed up some of those

00:29:52.420 of cameras in the way but he's giving the boomer perspective i think they've both got something to

00:29:57.000 them you know i'm just trying to be very balanced because that's how i feel and maybe because i'm

00:30:01.340 a millennial as you say the truth of it is yeah a fence sitter but um you know what one of the 0.99

00:30:07.000 things is uh we cannot win with a with a party entirely made up of zoomers if for no other 1.00

00:30:13.420 reason than the demographics don't favor it that's why we need a millennial unification 1.00

00:30:18.160 millennial consumers against the boomers it has to be broad enough to to bring across every

00:30:25.000 generation of britain of british person it has to be right and this is one of the things that i was

00:30:30.680 actually saying when i was talking about piddington it's like look we're not condemning these people

00:30:34.840 these are british people these are the people that we're supposed to be helping the entire reason

00:30:39.840 why we have a party like restore britain is because we think that we have something of a roadmap

00:30:45.080 for how to get out of this mess and actually have a system and a state that serves our interest

00:30:51.880 and doesn't actually just think to itself, yeah, we're just going to put like this 0.89

00:30:55.960 Beyond a Thousand, you know, illegal immigrant camp right next to you. 0.79

00:31:01.120 And yeah, some of you may get raped, but those are headlines that we're willing to have, right? 0.97

00:31:05.780 It's really their attitude. 0.85

00:31:06.940 Oh, and don't think that you're actually going to get Andy Burnham down here anytime soon

00:31:11.020 to have a conversation with you about it, right?

00:31:13.440 it's true like we we we still needs to be a party of the british people not like a political

00:31:18.900 fraction and not just uh a political fraction amongst generations is we are one people male

00:31:25.920 or female old or young and we need to like unify together as britons it's true because the time

00:31:33.420 i'll finish but i'll just say this is a useful article i found on um ethno-nationalism what

00:31:38.300 it actually means by iris russanos very sensible guy he was quoting walker connor who was a sensible

00:31:42.560 not even on the right theorist and just going off this article and a mixture of this and my own

00:31:47.780 thoughts and some other sources looked at dispassionately from first principles civic

00:31:51.780 nationalism is a fairly nebulous concept but because of the ubiquitousness of liberalism

00:31:56.720 and the reality of mass migration it's ended up being seen as the only polite option when you

00:32:01.040 actually look at what it is it kind of is quite flimsy and in this article that he ends up

00:32:05.100 concluding it's something like the state patriotism that the soviets attempted but really it's based

00:32:09.680 on the nation and it can't really exist without it so-called ethno-nationalism upon inspection

00:32:14.060 turns out to be virtually synonymous with nationalism and common sense would say it's

00:32:17.700 very normal for people to be concerned about the continuation of their people we recognize it from

00:32:21.780 other groups furthermore eric kaufman's work and others suggest that as i said you need a clear

00:32:28.480 majority in a country to have any stability otherwise things devolve into sort of tribal

00:32:32.240 warfare so those are the positions there's nothing actually wrong what gets called the

00:32:36.660 that position is characterized and there may be a sort of nutters associated with it but it gets

00:32:40.580 characterized as something radical when really it isn't the sibnap position gets characterized as

00:32:44.740 something absolutely normal when it's quite uh weak as a concept so anyway there's a split between

00:32:50.340 these two clearly and i would say reconciling them both would be ideal but no one seems interested in

00:32:56.020 doing that except the people behind that document the actual people in restore so i think they've

00:33:00.740 they've got to reconcile those or at very least try and pressure reform and even the Tories into

00:33:07.200 accepting some of these claims as legitimate and then act as a pressure group I don't know so or

00:33:13.080 if it wants to be a serious party so it has to reconcile them I would say I would suggest as I

00:33:17.720 said because if it goes one way it's just reform and if it goes the other way it's too niche so

00:33:21.760 that's my take and I can be shouted out by everyone now all right very good Nick all right I'll

00:33:27.180 quickly a rumble through the rants what on earth have i just done uh sorry can you put the actual

00:33:33.280 segment on oh thank god thank you that's proper right uh fallen firebird says uh electoral

00:33:39.480 politics is inherently lost because of brainwashed normies boomers and demographics the objective of

00:33:44.940 restoring other organizations is to create uh resilient structures for what comes next 0.53

00:33:49.500 well ostensibly we do still live in a democracy and we have done for well many many generations

00:33:57.140 at this point and i don't think that i think it's really important that we try uh democratically i

00:34:04.260 think it's very important that we show that we did and if the establishment wants to play dirty

00:34:10.080 tricks about it like they tried to do with the afd then that will highlight to them how flawed 0.99

00:34:15.620 the system really is uh hapsification says uh of course you can't fill the party with just zoomers

00:34:20.940 because a large part of them were aborted, which is also a point. 1.00

00:34:25.820 Very true. Cutting, but true.

00:34:29.000 Merrickmo says, also, do you guys realise 50% of all our medicines

00:34:34.200 and pharma ingredient supplies come from India?

00:34:37.100 Just watching swap videos and underestimating them is illiterate.

00:34:41.240 For $10, thank you.

00:34:42.520 J.M. Denton says, does this boil down to boomers being unable to handle any criticism 0.83

00:34:46.860 and preferring to burn the house down if they're not in charge? 1.00

00:34:50.240 Well, obviously, I always feel the need to stipulate.

00:34:53.580 We have many, many sensible boomers who actually watch the podcast.

00:34:57.220 And when we say all of this, we are obviously not referring to you personally,

00:35:01.400 but obviously those ones that we are specifically critiquing in the media. 0.89

00:35:06.540 And on my own channel, I've looked at my audience breakdown and it's mostly boomers. 0.99

00:35:09.400 I've got to be careful. I always forget. 0.83

00:35:10.780 Easy, Nick. Easy.

00:35:12.400 Engage few. Five dollars. Thank you.

00:35:13.940 Says, careful Luca, she seems like a lovely woman,

00:35:17.080 but don't think she won't crack you with that cup

00:35:19.680 over reclaiming historical England territories on the continent.

00:35:24.000 It's like, Brittany belongs to Britain in the name Brittany.

00:35:26.980 It's like a part of the Britons.

00:35:30.600 It should be a part of the Isles again.

00:35:32.180 We will take the Accutane or die trying.

00:35:34.440 Unify Britain.

00:35:36.340 Cookie Boy says,

00:35:37.660 Restore needs to push all of the positives in their policy

00:35:40.620 and not bang on so much about the millions must go aspect.

00:35:44.940 Well, I think that would be a positive personally, but I understand the general point.

00:35:49.680 $5 accrual says the purity test is not happening by accident and it needs to stop.

00:35:55.300 And Merrick Mull, sorry, I've seen your other comments now, says,

00:35:58.700 this explains Indian firms employ 250,000 Britons directly

00:36:04.100 and 1 million indirectly in steel, autos, batteries, telecoms, aluminium and tech.

00:36:10.980 They are also the biggest battery plant in Europe in Somerset.

00:36:15.400 Very interesting, thank you for telling me.

00:36:17.440 Right, for the sake of time, I must move on to my segment then.

00:36:21.460 All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm sure it can't have passed your notice

00:36:24.840 that every single fantasy world and every single book

00:36:28.580 is getting an adaptation these days that is bastardising it.

00:36:32.440 Now, we've obviously been through many of them at this point, and really, it doesn't even matter which studio it is, right? If it's Netflix or if it's Amazon, it doesn't matter. You know you're getting the same outcome, right? One isn't more benevolent than the other, right? They all despise you. They're all going to take these properties.

00:36:51.960 And for some reason, the estates from which these intellectual properties come from are always happy to just hand the rights over, even though it's continually just showing that none of these studios can be trusted with them.

00:37:06.240 Whether it's The Witcher on Netflix, whether it's Rings of Power and Wheel of Time, which I think were both Amazon, or whether it's even like sequels to films that were made in the 70s, like in a fantasy setting like Willow, that Disney ended up making a sequel for and was so poorly received that they just deleted it from Disney Plus and the entire thing got memory hold because everybody hated it.

00:37:32.020 yeah and when you think about talking in his lifetime didn't let the beatles make a movie

00:37:36.420 of lord of the rings he didn't allow anything and it's hard to imagine someone who would hate

00:37:40.620 what's happening to narnia more than c.s lewis if you know anything about c.s lewis he hates

00:37:45.160 anything progressive he talks about the progressive element in that hideous strength yes incredibly

00:37:50.020 scathing he has an experimental school in one of the narnia books that he's incredibly scathing

00:37:54.180 about he would hate this so much yeah and can i just say something suddenly came into my head

00:37:58.560 your beautiful oak door means nothing to them like these these are the real vandals these people

00:38:02.760 it's like your culture these works of art doesn't mean anything to them it's just an opportunity to

00:38:07.900 tear it down spit in the face right of the creator spit in the face of genius and the west in general

00:38:12.900 yes and so that's what we've got now we have netflix um greta gerwig of uh little women and

00:38:20.220 barbie uh directing fame who is now making narnia the magician's nephew so there are even though it

00:38:26.020 was uh i believe the sixth book published they're obviously working chronologically with this

00:38:30.640 which is ambitious because it means that they accept expect to get to the end and obviously

00:38:35.840 finish with the last battle as well now obviously when you have a something like rings of power

00:38:41.320 even though uh the initial vote sorry the voters the initial viewers fell off dramatically by the

00:38:49.120 end of that first season alone what we have which is quite telling about the rings of power is that

00:38:54.800 you can sink a billion dollars into this thing everyone can hate it and invariably the reviews

00:39:02.700 critiquing it and saying this is garbage get more views of the series than the series itself

00:39:09.240 um but they don't learn because actually they just really hate these things and want to make

00:39:15.980 sure that you don't have them now so this is what we've got Greta Gerwig's Narnia the magician's

00:39:21.180 nephew is a rock inspired fantasy nodding to david bowie and the who narnia is quote narnia is

00:39:27.760 literally a world made out of music she tells empire rock and roll to me felt like a world

00:39:32.780 made out of music now i want to i want to just say i know you i can i see you straining like a

00:39:38.100 greyhound in the slips bursting upon the start nick but just give me one second i like the who

00:39:43.380 i like david bowie i like fancy and i like rock and roll um but and all these things right so

00:39:52.260 actually you know within a fantasy genre which is constantly um harkening on you know uh really

00:40:00.060 medievalist aesthetics and you know sort of really ancient folklore it would be very interesting

00:40:06.280 to have sort of like a glam rock fantasy story but that story is not narnia if you want that

00:40:14.000 write your own story and tell that but they won't do that because they obviously want the inherent

00:40:19.820 audience and general readership and the super fandom that is those people who adore c.s lewis's

00:40:26.660 original works and they actually just want to you know bring them in and then betray them go on nick

00:40:32.520 Well, I was just simply going to say that is a heck of a stretch.

00:40:35.440 She's talking about a scene in The Magician's Nephew

00:40:37.500 where Aslan brings the world into being through song,

00:40:41.840 through his sonorous voice.

00:40:44.820 Very Bon Jovi.

00:40:45.600 Yeah, he speaks into being like God.

00:40:47.320 It's nothing to do with rock music.

00:40:49.340 So that's extremely, it's like, well,

00:40:51.440 that may have felt like a world made out of music to you.

00:40:53.580 The inherent narcissism of that, it's like,

00:40:55.580 really, this is a sort of metaphor for God bringing the world into being

00:40:59.280 because Aslan is, of course, Jesus.

00:41:00.680 and you go is that the same as you liking rock music as a kid that's extremely tenuous yeah of

00:41:07.600 course justification that's absurd yes well this is just slop it's it's it's slop made by hollywood

00:41:14.560 in order to gain profits from an audience they know will just watch anything like the marvel

00:41:19.860 movies marvel movie is a perfect example of that you can create a terrible script and a terrible

00:41:24.500 plot line but people will just consume it um but i think it also tells you a lot about

00:41:30.500 the creativity of these people there's nothing there they have to steal another idea and then

00:41:35.940 like subvert it and you see this with broadway in london is there's no original plays in london

00:41:41.220 anymore it's all stranger things live or i saw like one the other day of train spotters yeah

00:41:47.300 as a board ratio yeah i have no idea how that would work um like people injecting heroin into

00:41:52.900 themselves on stage the musical heroine the musical yeah i guess yeah but that's the thing

00:41:58.240 is is there's no creativity there anymore there's no original new ideas it is just these slop

00:42:04.240 directors and uh greta is a perfect example of that like the barbie movie she couldn't create 0.79

00:42:09.420 something original for feminists she had to just um create a storyline for a toy and it was really 1.00

00:42:15.800 funny as well because by far and away the thing that people actually remember from that film now

00:42:20.460 is still just Ryan Gosling, is the guy in the film.

00:42:23.940 Yeah, because he was just so cool.

00:42:24.960 But there's another point I wanted to add as well,

00:42:27.200 which is that, so they're going to do this

00:42:28.880 and they're presumably going to tell the entire series of novels.

00:42:31.960 They're going to tell them.

00:42:32.940 They're going to have their take on them.

00:42:35.400 They're going to desecrate them.

00:42:36.140 Right, they're going to desecrate them.

00:42:37.540 But the thing is, we haven't even had at this point

00:42:40.880 just a complete traditionalist telling of Narnia.

00:42:44.520 Right.

00:42:45.040 My first introduction of Narnia was actually before the Disney film

00:42:48.320 because my mum had grown up watching the BBC version.

00:42:52.080 And so I actually watched this first.

00:42:53.880 I must be as old as your mum then

00:42:55.080 because we grew up watching this as kids.

00:42:56.620 But I might be incorrect,

00:42:58.520 but this only went up to the silver chair.

00:43:01.480 So it actually never completed the story.

00:43:03.420 And this, by the way, when I was a kid, that was massive.

00:43:05.860 I mean, this was as big as it gets.

00:43:07.560 Because when I grew up, Narnia was still,

00:43:09.820 even though it had been written earlier, of course,

00:43:11.080 it was almost like Harry Potter level.

00:43:12.840 We all read it, how kids read Harry Potter.

00:43:15.140 And this series was massive and it was so magical.

00:43:17.840 It's one of those things where you look at it now and think, how did I fall for that level of production?

00:43:21.920 But it was basically magic when you watched this as a child.

00:43:24.360 Also, whoever the actress was who played the White Witch, she was magnificent.

00:43:28.340 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:43:29.040 Absolutely magnificent.

00:43:29.860 The parts were really well cast.

00:43:31.720 It was great.

00:43:33.020 And it was, of course, very true to the spirit of it.

00:43:35.280 It wasn't like, oh, how can we destroy this and spit in the face of Christians?

00:43:40.040 And then, of course, we had Disney's attempt at it with The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe,

00:43:44.440 which they ran through then Prince Caspian and Voyage of the Dawn Treader and then that was

00:43:49.860 discontinued as well so again no actual finished complete story trying to tell it within the

00:43:56.560 traditional aesthetics and actually I mean maybe I'm just being nostalgic you'll be more of an

00:44:01.780 authority on this I liked the Disney film to be honest with you I thought it was really

00:44:06.400 thoroughly enchanting and still to this day I've forgot oh it's not there I've lost a link anyway

00:44:14.300 But the last battle, the battle at Barunna in that film still lives in my head, rent free.

00:44:20.320 Like it was just a terrifically well put together battle.

00:44:23.180 And I remember just finding all of the actors incredibly charming.

00:44:27.140 And so, yeah, I really enjoyed certainly the first.

00:44:30.080 I enjoyed that in Caspian. Dawn Treader was a little more jarring.

00:44:33.900 But obviously as well, how can I not forget Liam Neeson as the voice of Aslan as well.

00:44:40.180 He brought this incredible divine gravitas to it.

00:44:44.180 but also that warmth and that mercy and that understanding

00:44:48.420 that you would expect from Christ.

00:44:51.400 It was also just the beauty, I mean, the scene that stands out in my head

00:44:54.460 of them walking through the wardrobe, growing up as adults, then coming back.

00:44:59.300 And watching that as a child, it's sort of like you felt so spiritually connected,

00:45:06.660 like it woke something up in you and you were able to explore your imagination as a kid.

00:45:10.900 And when you go out and play, sort of pretend to be those characters.

00:45:15.080 And that's something, well, films don't do anymore.

00:45:17.560 They're sort of void of imagination.

00:45:20.880 And we get another point here as well, which is the fact that,

00:45:24.600 so according to their version of the story as well,

00:45:28.100 The Magician's Nephew is going to be set in the 1950s.

00:45:31.400 So how is it possible, because this is Diggory, this is the old man, right,

00:45:35.160 that they end up being evacuees to in the countryside?

00:45:38.480 So he grew up in the Edwardian era.

00:45:40.900 And then the Pevensie children find him when they're evacuees during World War II in the countryside.

00:45:46.280 So how do the Pevensie, why are we altering the timeline here as well?

00:45:51.340 Just so that they can grow up in the 70s and 80s so that they get to have this whole sort of glam rock thing that Greta Gerwig personally enjoyed.

00:46:01.880 And again, so it's like this isn't about honoring Lewis's story.

00:46:06.040 this is about you and your life and what you want it to mean that immediately yourself immediately

00:46:12.620 removes a lot of the poignancy the fact they can't be evacuees the fact it's not set during

00:46:16.600 the war it's like that's a large part of the point yeah lewis was somebody didn't think he

00:46:19.960 likes young children then he actually took in evacuees and that sort of changed him as well

00:46:24.120 right and so you know there's a there's a sort of a nice story behind that as well

00:46:27.220 but you know maybe i could well i'll go on i'll talk about it later but um because i've got too

00:46:33.540 much to say i could do an hour sorry i'll just speed run a few things then so we can get to

00:46:37.480 your points nick which is uh this entire thing of just profaning christ as well i mean you had

00:46:43.500 uh i'm for the sake of youtube i'm not allowed to comment on her appearance negatively apparently

00:46:50.280 liz but but um basically yeah she decided to play jesus in a jesus christ superstar and this is

00:47:00.200 something that they're constantly doing with christ more and more now any idea of using him

00:47:04.900 respectfully uh or you know portraying him respectfully just goes out the window and you

00:47:10.720 have many points that many good points sensible chap here this nick dixon bloke um who points out

00:47:16.280 that some point uh some pointing out alienating christians will mean this tanks at the box office

00:47:21.020 but it's well established that demons behind this stuff don't care about sales uh they simply never

00:47:26.220 miss any opportunity for evil however large or small and whatever the cost as lewis writes of

00:47:31.540 the unman in perilandra was there after all nothing but a black purility an aimless empty

00:47:38.480 spitefulness content to sate itself with the tiniest cruelties as love does not to stay in 0.98

00:47:44.380 the smallest kindness once you understand that you will understand why they want to make aslan 0.62

00:47:50.440 a woman and if you scroll down you'll see that tweet was posted at 104 a.m which is why i said

00:47:55.700 demons because at 3 3 p.m i might go with these people but at 1 a.m i'm like no they're demons

00:48:00.820 sod it i'm going with demons and my point uh my point on that was we we covered it obviously luke

00:48:06.580 i'm sure you'll mention oh i was just about to say yes we've spoken completely destroyed that's

00:48:10.340 all right so the reason i quoted the young man there was uh if you'll zoom that out for me jack

00:48:16.820 sorry go on nick i quoted the young man from paralandra because there's a scene where this

00:48:21.220 is basically satan and the protagonist ransom is fighting him but there's a scene where he just

00:48:26.980 repeatedly says ransom and he says his name over and over and lewis's point was although this is a

00:48:32.260 pure evil incarnate he there's no nothing too petty for him yeah so sometimes people like oh

00:48:38.180 why are you bothered about this and it's like well they seem pretty bothered because they're

00:48:41.060 spending huge amounts of money change yeah yeah they keep making these things so it's like

00:48:45.220 so my claim is there's not there's no stone they won't unturned there's no aspect of your culture

00:48:49.940 they won't take there's no aspect of the west or of a genius like lewis or even the concept of the

00:48:54.580 sort of straight male genius or christianity or any number or objective morality hierarchy

00:49:00.900 there's no they won't waste there's no stone unturned in their war on on that their war on

00:49:05.540 goodness so that's my point i was making on objective goodness yeah as well as lewis understood

00:49:11.460 it and actually sorry i do have the link uh nick and i had a great conversation talking about

00:49:16.900 the first two novels of C.S. Lewis's Cosmic Trilogy,

00:49:21.000 first Out of the Silent Planet and then Perilandra.

00:49:23.940 And we've also began to have our discussion

00:49:26.060 on that hideous strength as well.

00:49:28.140 And as you can probably tell,

00:49:29.980 Nick is a very, very passionate C.S. Lewis fan.

00:49:32.400 And honestly, you have such brilliant insights

00:49:35.700 when it comes to this stuff.

00:49:36.820 And so I really encourage people to go and watch

00:49:39.420 the conversation with Nick

00:49:40.960 all about C.S. Lewis's work on Chronicles.

00:49:44.900 So I don't know how.

00:49:46.160 all of my links have got jumbled up on here anyway let's get to empire's world exclusive

00:49:52.680 article talking all about narnia so yes aslan christ himself in the world of narnia is going

00:50:03.140 to be voiced by meryl streep because of course now i will say as well this was a rumor that was

00:50:10.000 circulating from quite near to the beginning when we first learned that gerwig had made this

00:50:16.120 deal and was going to be making this but everyone thought they wouldn't do it like a lot even then

00:50:22.340 like after everything we've been through after all of the abuse that people in the fantasy

00:50:26.920 fandoms have taken we thought surely not because it's such a an obvious point that aslan should

00:50:34.860 have a male voice it is so obvious i've never read the works but he's supposed to be a representation

00:50:40.800 of christ yeah he essentially is christ so it's a people say it's a supposal it's it's lewis saying

00:50:46.380 okay what if there was this other world who would jesus be in that world so asline even says you i

00:50:52.220 have another name in your world and at the end of the last battle you even see him changing and

00:50:56.760 dropping the the lion appearance that it's implied it's beautifully done so he is jesus and niner

00:51:03.680 and even sheds his lion image at the end so if you're making a woman yeah you you you are i mean

00:51:08.460 you're attacking christianity in a radical radical way aside from attacking the source material

00:51:13.120 but that image up there of of the empire i mean he looks like a reptilian he looks like a snake

00:51:19.740 right funny that's right and he's like supposed to be a symbol of christ and here he he looks

00:51:25.620 like a serpent it's not it's not almost as if they prefer the other guy yeah they are like

00:51:30.600 subverting this is what they're doing yes that's what they should have done is like they should

00:51:34.200 done a thing about the serpent from his perspective hear me out guys you know they're kind of uh

00:51:39.280 why satan's great yeah um yeah re-peller perilandra uh lewis has very strong thoughts on how to deal

00:51:47.120 with satan in that uh but in this interview gerwig uh says sort of explaining her decision to cast

00:51:54.780 meryl streep as a voice of aslan she says well i wanted someone who was profound but not pretentious

00:52:00.980 who had gravitas but not morose self-seriousness.

00:52:04.740 Someone who would communicate depth and pathos

00:52:07.320 as well as joy and delight.

00:52:09.260 Gerwig tells Empire of casting Streep as Narnia's deity of sorts.

00:52:13.780 I wanted someone who was older than 70

00:52:15.920 so there was a wisdom of experience

00:52:18.320 but who also had the capacity of fresh wonder like a child

00:52:22.000 and also to be one of the greatest actors to ever do it.

00:52:25.580 That list is not a long one

00:52:27.160 and just and a man is just missing from this list of criteria yeah and the other thing as well is

00:52:35.140 the fact that this is a sort of it's one of the just a small little things that just always annoys

00:52:39.840 me about these things it's like oh you get this write-up in empire do you no tough questions then

00:52:44.840 like there's no tough questions no oh you know like why did you decide to choose a female voice

00:52:51.820 actor just totally duck any ability to actually confront her on them on this and the other thing

00:52:57.940 as well is that you know many people have rightly been saying that um it was inappropriate for

00:53:04.800 Greta Gerwig to cast Meryl Streep in this but of course the other part of that question as well is

00:53:09.840 the fact that well why did Meryl Streep agree to do it right why did she think she was an appropriate

00:53:16.520 choice to do this yeah that's true you shouldn't you should not have agreed to do it yeah um can i

00:53:23.240 also just say i don't think this is just a question of oh conservatives freaking out or

00:53:28.300 something like that because on my books channel and nick reads i talk about things like brett

00:53:33.840 easton ellis or murakami who are very morally gray let's say certainly not conservative books

00:53:39.180 but i still i attacked the uh tv version of the shards which is a brace and ellis novel

00:53:44.560 not on grounds of puritanism

00:53:47.200 though there is the aspect of

00:53:48.940 sort of honouring Christianity

00:53:50.860 in this particular example but there's also the aspect

00:53:52.920 of good art and honouring the source

00:53:55.060 material just for itself right

00:53:57.020 let's say it was you know an edgy

00:53:59.160 book honour it

00:54:01.000 anyway because what is this thing of

00:54:03.100 I don't think it's what I'm saying is I don't think this is just

00:54:05.020 inherent Philistinism of the right I think that

00:54:06.960 can be an issue but I don't think that's the case here

00:54:08.860 I think it's they're pointlessly

00:54:10.880 subverting things in a

00:54:13.080 way that yes it is it is anti-christian and anti-conservative and anti-lots of things but 0.87

00:54:18.360 it's also artistically sounds like it's going to be pretty crap as well right so i just want to

00:54:22.880 yeah no and also another thing as well is that i i feel like most of the time it it's always it's

00:54:29.380 often malicious but a part of that maliciousness also just comes from an ignorance of the author

00:54:35.680 or author's original intention as well it's because they've not read the extra materials

00:54:41.660 They've not read The Abolition of Man. They've not read, you know, Mere Christianity, all these sorts of things.

00:54:48.280 The things that you would read if you actually wanted to do justice to Lewis's world and the actual metaphysics of his story.

00:54:57.320 Right. To do this to Lewis is to undermine his entire life's work.

00:55:01.160 That's not an exaggeration.

00:55:02.760 No.

00:55:03.240 That is what it is.

00:55:04.100 No, not at all.

00:55:04.720 and isabel brown makes a great point here which is that in case there's any confusion c.s lewis

00:55:09.680 literally intended aslan to be the incarnation of christ inside the world of narnia when lucy and

00:55:16.000 edmund learn that they cannot return to narnia again aslan comforts them by saying that they'll

00:55:21.200 know him again in their own world there i have another name you must learn to know me by that

00:55:26.800 name there you go right and so this is what i mean it's as perverse as it would be casting

00:55:32.240 meryl streep to voice aslan is as inappropriate as it is to um to cast a woman as christ

00:55:40.320 as i tried to point out with the uh cynthia erivo whatever her name is with uh jesus christ

00:55:45.520 superstar uh which you know is not exactly anyway getting sidetracked the point and also as well

00:55:51.440 michael makes great point here which is that he appeals to uh this letter uh so cs is cs lewis's

00:55:59.040 review in Priestesses in the Church, where one of the things he says is, well, suppose a reformist

00:56:04.940 stops saying that a good woman may be like God, and begins saying that God is like a good woman.

00:56:11.420 Suppose that he says that we might just as well pray to our mother, which art in heaven,

00:56:17.360 as to our father. Suppose he suggests that the incarnation might just as well have taken a

00:56:23.320 female as a male form and the second person of the trinity be as well uh be as well called the

00:56:29.660 daughter as a son suppose finally that the mystical marriage was reversed that the church was a

00:56:35.400 bridegroom in christ the bride all this as it seems to me is involved in the claim that a woman can

00:56:41.340 represent god as a priest does now it's surely the case that um in all these supposals uh wherever

00:56:48.240 carried into effect we should be embarked on a different religion yeah exactly his point is you

00:56:54.740 can't somehow separate christianity from its specifics he talks often in his work about

00:57:00.280 christianity being a personal and strange religion too strange to be made up in fact so it's not

00:57:05.940 detached from its original content you can't say it could have just as easily have been x and y

00:57:11.140 because it wasn't and that's yeah that's crucial and then it would everything from there would be

00:57:15.720 different yeah and and this is someone as well um like c.s lewis who believed that actually this

00:57:20.840 sort of um uh transcending of the gender norms and of you know the the roles and responsibilities

00:57:29.000 of man in society and the roles and responsibility of woman you know the moment that you start 0.51

00:57:34.620 muddying these things up is actually to to move away from the tau itself it's to move away from

00:57:42.200 the objective morality right that life is governed by yeah and just for the viewer that's lewis's

00:57:47.920 idea that there's an objective morality shared by even pagan societies that predates christianity

00:57:52.980 from the egyptians to the babylonians to the romans to the ancient chinese which he decided

00:57:57.300 to summarize as the the dao meaning universal morality yeah so go on so why why does christ

00:58:03.440 need to be a woman when really i mean mary is such a an important figure she is the mother of christ

00:58:10.780 I mean there's a reason why she's held so highly in Catholicism so this idea of oh no we need to

00:58:17.440 make females priests and we need to re-envision Christ as a woman in order to promote feminism

00:58:23.380 is just ludicrous yes it is completely too subvert and that's its its purpose and a lot of it is just

00:58:30.000 is not done for reasons of authentic theology it's done in order to accrue like socio-political

00:58:39.800 power in our society and and then use that power against men as often seems to be the case when it

00:58:47.840 does happen but there's also this letter as well that c.s lewis wrote in 1961 where he's writing

00:58:55.060 to um this girl and he says that that is to say i asked myself supposing that there were really

00:59:00.920 really was a world like narnia and supposing it had like our world gone wrong and supposing christ

00:59:07.080 He says supposing a lot, didn't he?

00:59:09.180 Supposing Christ wanted to go into the world and save it, as he did ours, what might have happened?

00:59:15.000 The stories are my answer.

00:59:17.580 Since Narnia is a world of talking beasts, I thought he would become a talking beast there, as he became a man here.

00:59:24.940 I pictured him becoming a lion there because, A, a lion is supposed to be the king of beasts.

00:59:31.440 B, Christ is called the Lion of Judah in the Bible.

00:59:34.580 and c i'd been having strange dreams about lions when i began writing the work the whole series

00:59:40.340 works out like this it's a feel to me in the dream yes and um alron mcintyre just makes a

00:59:46.340 great point here which is that c.s lewis wrote the abolition of man about what netflix would

00:59:50.960 do to c.s lewis's chronicles of narnia well exactly i mean he talks about the innovators

00:59:56.160 in the abolition of man these people that think they know better and can overturn all hierarchies

01:00:01.320 and all conventional morality

01:00:03.340 and then he ends up proving

01:00:04.880 where does the basis for that come from

01:00:07.040 and that they really have no ground to stand on

01:00:08.700 and then expects our generation

01:00:11.440 to understand these things

01:00:13.560 such as sacrifice and honour and hierarchy

01:00:15.980 while it's totally gutting them

01:00:18.460 yeah

01:00:18.880 that famous line about the geldings 0.96

01:00:21.520 we castrate the something

01:00:24.500 and bid the geldings be fruitful

01:00:25.940 there's a famous quote about it

01:00:26.960 he's basically saying

01:00:28.240 you're stripping out

01:00:29.760 the the core of this and expecting to so yeah what will this be based on when we see this

01:00:35.260 nanya what are you going to see it of course not but but you know when you take away yeah you take 0.85

01:00:41.780 away heroism and the whole basis for it which he points out they the modern mindset has done

01:00:46.100 but we're still expected to sort of watch feats of heroism in superhero films and things but

01:00:50.620 actually the whole underpinning of them has been removed the whole idea of glory sacrifice all

01:00:55.280 these things have been hacked away at for generations for decades so what are we watching

01:01:00.360 a sort of weird simulacrum right and then the final point just from jack persoviak which is

01:01:04.760 ironically the final narnia book is literally a warning about a fake aslan who is actually a demon

01:01:10.300 yeah so that's true an ape pretends to be gets a donkey to pretend to be aslan to trick people

01:01:18.420 into following him and then they end up worshiping this horrific demon uh tash and so it's a it it's 0.87

01:01:25.860 amazing how lewis predicted all these kind of things yes so uh don't be fooled by the fake aslan 0.79

01:01:30.860 folks right um all right i'll just quickly go through these ones as well drag the mouse over

01:01:37.280 thank you uh engage few says luca if we live in the world uh brought into being by the voice of

01:01:42.740 john bon jovi i will start praying for the asteroid at least he was a good singer i mean

01:01:48.320 that was when music music was really that's those are relative halcyon days i'm an ario speed wagon

01:01:53.080 man myself uh that's a random name says uh they're not going to make aslan a woman uh they're going

01:01:57.900 to make him a word i can't say uh they're going to make him trans because aslan is clearly male 0.97

01:02:02.580 due to the fact that he has a fucking mane it's like yeah good point very perceptive random name 0.95

01:02:08.180 uh jm denton ten dollars again thank you says uh judging people by what they think of lewis 0.99

01:02:13.320 or the chronicles of narnia has never failed me yeah true and also as well right there was this

01:02:18.420 girl back at uni who adored the chronicles of narnia like they were just her favorite thing

01:02:23.500 she loved those books always talked about those books but politically a communist and it's like

01:02:30.320 how cognitive dis how do you read those stories and love them so much and this is why people

01:02:36.740 and it's like, oh, you've misunderstood Tolkien.

01:02:39.460 Tolkien was actually, you know,

01:02:41.000 meant all these left-wing things.

01:02:42.800 And it's like, no.

01:02:43.760 Tolkien who opened and raised Franco.

01:02:45.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:45.800 I'm not indulging this.

01:02:47.400 You've got the wrong take, not me.

01:02:49.140 Basically, there's a subset, isn't there,

01:02:50.760 basically geeks.

01:02:51.860 I don't want to offend the geek community,

01:02:53.060 but there's this sort of comic-con geek side

01:02:55.240 of these things, right?

01:02:55.940 And they think it's cool because it's like a world

01:02:58.060 and they think it's like Brandon Sanderson

01:02:59.980 or something or whatever it is,

01:03:00.860 like the latest.

01:03:01.760 There's like a whole fantasy world

01:03:03.240 that Tolkien created, essentially.

01:03:05.040 Yeah.

01:03:05.500 The whole genre.

01:03:06.740 but now they yeah they can take they can take just that aspect of it and it's like cosplay anyway

01:03:11.220 sorry no no no not at all right uh for the sake of time then uh liz tell us about trees

01:03:17.220 i am the lorax and i speak for the trees

01:03:22.100 i had to put that in there so trees are essential to our existence not just for um

01:03:29.700 air and not just for the habitats they provide to wilderness but the fact that they connect us

01:03:36.500 to ages of old and are passed down to us by people we never met who looked upon them and

01:03:45.080 looked upon the landscapes we have inherited then also not merely monuments of the past

01:03:50.700 they are living they are breathing and they bear wisdom in their fruits and are capable

01:03:55.480 of guiding men throughout the ages just as pagans understood and unfortunately in britain

01:04:03.140 only 13% of our country is covered by trees compared to the past when all of

01:04:08.960 the island was was covered by great forests you could get lost in for days

01:04:12.900 today Britain is the most depopulated in forests compared to other European

01:04:22.860 countries 2% 2.5% of our forests are ancient woodlands and 40% of trees are

01:04:30.300 decline tree species woodland bad populations have declined by 32 percent since 1990 because of

01:04:39.420 property developments right and it brings me to this article here which which sounds ludicrous

01:04:46.220 to people who don't understand trees but it's actually quite a good thing that the town in

01:04:52.380 lewis the town lewis and sussex has become the first town to recognize the whites of trees

01:04:59.100 well lewis is a very beautiful place never been i have been there it is yeah very very special

01:05:05.560 proper quintessential slice of england type of place and so what's happened is they've created

01:05:11.220 this charter and um unfortunately this article doesn't show the the charter um nor is the image

01:05:17.480 loading so i'll just leave it um as the title but they've basically said you know trees have a right

01:05:22.940 to exist like humans and we shouldn't needlessly cut them down um when they're healthy and they're

01:05:29.340 flourishing um we should let them let them live let them flourish and it's interesting enough

01:05:35.840 lewis has a lot of floods and one thing people don't understand about trees is that they help

01:05:40.460 with preventing floods so when you like deforest an area it allows it to become marshland essentially

01:05:46.580 um and so they've acknowledged that woodlands hedgerows forest and infiltrated trees have the

01:05:51.840 right to flourish and in order they've done this in order to like protect their woods from

01:05:59.120 from property developers um and it was passed by i mean this is a good thing about one good

01:06:05.100 thing about the green party is it was passed by a green party oh they still actually going for all

01:06:10.520 that stuff it's well well you know that's probably because their green party members are actually

01:06:14.800 made up of middle class you know white english and not the new green party yeah and lewis is

01:06:19.880 quite like a hippie place so i can't wait to see you campaigning with zach polanski just out there

01:06:24.120 yeah well unlikely when he goes by the motto of save trees not refugees our folk green party

01:06:29.740 nice that will that'll be the party i could wear that badge i'm from the lake so i'll never do it

01:06:35.060 it's all works for me yeah but the only problem with this my only criticism with this is the fact

01:06:40.800 that it's just symbolic they've literally just said oh look here's a charter we think trees

01:06:45.340 should flourish and they've done this as a council but they've not actually passed anything

01:06:50.160 to protect trees in the town uh there's something called like trees uh tpos which is trees preservation

01:06:56.060 orders which um makes it like illegal to cut down the tree um and if you cut down the tree you get

01:07:01.180 like heavily fined or even imprisoned and so the council could do that for trees in the town but

01:07:07.220 they haven't instead they've kind of just done left-wing virtue signaling of look at this charter

01:07:12.040 we've created uh there's a green party i know yeah so you can tell it's from the green party

01:07:17.760 i suppose because they actually haven't done anything it's like a nothing bagger why is there

01:07:21.560 such a disparity between trees and nukes for example so if you try and build anything like

01:07:25.820 a nuclear reactor it's like the fish or the or the the h what was the tunnel that we didn't build

01:07:30.800 call the long tunnel that rishi scrapped it's gone out of my head yeah i can't remember either

01:07:35.240 sorry it's i know what you mean birmingham the long they couldn't do it because hs2 yeah yeah

01:07:40.320 yeah um hst they couldn't do because of bats and then there was a nuclear thing where the fish were

01:07:44.480 going to get too hot and they needed to cool them and it cost a huge amount but it seems to be like

01:07:48.400 animal you know animals even fairly minor ones like the newton the fish have sort of got in there

01:07:53.600 crippling does making anything but the trees don't get don't get a look in they i mean like

01:07:59.520 when i observe trees and like industrial the industrial slums of cities they look like they're 1.00

01:08:05.120 They're inflated, they've got all these warts,

01:08:07.580 they're all poisonous.

01:08:09.020 So nature just doesn't flourish in places 0.66

01:08:12.060 where mankind has skinned the land alive.

01:08:17.420 That's why HS is so terrible

01:08:19.940 because it's cutting down ancient woodlands,

01:08:22.420 it's butchering parts of the country

01:08:24.700 with this unneeded railway.

01:08:26.700 One of the things that I still admire about London

01:08:29.560 is the fact that whichever borough you're in,

01:08:31.960 you're not far away from a park.

01:08:34.000 You're actually not far away from, you know, just a spot of a green.

01:08:37.900 Whereas when I was in Osaka, I had to go miles and miles

01:08:41.880 before I could just find a park or a bit of green or a single tree.

01:08:46.500 I'm telling you what, it makes a world of difference to your mental health.

01:08:49.360 It really does.

01:08:50.160 Yeah, we've got two beautiful woods near me in North London

01:08:52.240 and people will sort of mock the area because it's like lefty,

01:08:54.600 but the woods are great.

01:08:56.340 Yeah.

01:08:56.820 Go on. 0.95

01:08:57.060 Well, that's because our natural habitat as Northern Europeans is the forest. 0.92

01:09:01.080 That's where we're supposed to live.

01:09:02.200 We're not actually supposed to live in these awful, ebonized, post-industrial towns and cities. 0.94

01:09:08.420 And it's why people are so mentally ill in places like that.

01:09:12.280 It breaks down the community.

01:09:14.060 It isolates individuals to the point where they breed bad traits such as narcissism and selfishness because they have nothing to care about.

01:09:23.200 They live in hell.

01:09:24.720 So why would they care about beauty and a neighbor?

01:09:27.560 Yeah, Rory Stewart had a rare good point.

01:09:29.440 I was listening to Rory Stewart.

01:09:31.380 before he said that crazy thing about grooming gangs he was talking about Cumbria where I'm from

01:09:34.120 and he said that even though farmers are reporting things like eight thousand pounds

01:09:37.980 income in a year and things like this he said Cumbria keeps reporting great stats for happiness

01:09:43.020 and probably a lot of it is because I basically grew up in the woods right next to the lakes and

01:09:47.180 the trees that's probably a big part of it yeah yeah and now there's this is a charter is it you

01:09:54.960 know I don't really dislike the left or the white but there's one group I really dislike

01:09:59.060 and that's metropolitan Tories like this guy who works for a charity advocating for building on the

01:10:07.720 green belts. Sorry. No maybe I have no idea probably just virtue signals and likes to support

01:10:15.120 Ukraine. So these people who are left-wing but they love capitalism and they love butchering 0.96

01:10:22.080 the countryside which to me is like the worst sort of human uh imaginable and because these people

01:10:29.440 live and have grown up in um metropolitan hell holes they don't understand nature at all they're

01:10:35.680 completely disconnected from it um and this tree proves that he says and this is the charter by

01:10:42.400 the way that they passed this is literally all it was i mean they created this just so it would

01:10:46.320 get headlines and people would talk about trees i like the way it's even written in a sort of

01:10:51.600 medievalist yeah font it's quite it's quite cool um and he says this has just been approved by

01:10:58.320 lewistown council none of this makes any sense how can the tree make informed decisions or make

01:11:03.880 representations and he gave a quote to the daily express saying this is nonsense trees cannot have

01:11:09.900 rights they are not sentient beings the incapable of feeling sympathy and having duties it's like

01:11:16.060 we're not arguing that like trees are humans we're arguing that trees are fundamental to who we are

01:11:22.380 as a people and it's the dwelling place we lived in right and it's what makes um our natural

01:11:27.860 landscapes um well when they say they have rights it's what connects us to natural justice

01:11:33.140 um and and when you take away take away us from the natural world the garden of eden where nature

01:11:40.700 is completely wild and you put us in the hellhole of a city it's it changes the moral character

01:11:45.280 he also um i'll just get to your point in a second he also said um that this is awful and

01:11:53.360 evil because it will prevent young people from getting uh the much needed housing development

01:11:58.680 they need such as literally stop importing the world yeah such as skinning alive the countryside 1.00

01:12:04.740 to house uh migrants and because nearly like every sort of um housing because the reason they want to

01:12:11.240 build houses isn't to house young people and make it cheap so people like me and you can buy

01:12:17.280 property it's no they want to make money they want to make profit and that's why they the people

01:12:22.140 that tend to buy these houses tend to be wealthy immigrants yes um but these people like maxell

01:12:26.600 um in their organizations get funded by property developers who want to offense their interests

01:12:32.120 um and advocate for the building on the green belt so they can become more wealthy is they

01:12:38.540 they are completely uh motivated by capital interest it's not to better the people what one

01:12:45.660 thing as well it's like obviously when it's like well none of this makes any sense how can a tree

01:12:49.660 make informed decisions or make representations it's like it's obviously symbolic of the fact

01:12:54.940 that we as people have a moral duty of consideration to the nature around us to the trees

01:13:01.980 that we are the stewards of the land itself no one thinks that this charter means that someone's

01:13:09.200 going to go up to a tree and say yes what are your views on the abortion and the tax rates right

01:13:13.620 that's not what this is about not treating them like they're you know like beings with wills we're

01:13:19.020 saying because they're not that we have to be considerate of how we treat them that said it

01:13:26.120 would be amazing to see it's all right liz i'll sort it tree beard get hold of that guy would be

01:13:29.940 amazing but um we are walking trees as well i had a friend who could talk to trees but i won't go

01:13:34.860 into really we're going to that on a behind the paywall maybe you know what there's a lot larger

01:13:39.420 theme of course of as you say metropolitan people interfering with the country since i'm from the 0.99

01:13:43.460 country fox hunting is an obvious one but just stupid ones like we have farmers would clear this 0.99

01:13:48.700 dead sheep off the fells then one day i started seeing just sheep carcasses everywhere i was like 0.98

01:13:53.240 what's going on here and my mom's like yeah they've someone's made a decision in white hall to stop

01:13:56.740 paying them five pounds to clear these sheep so now it's not worth them so they leave them out

01:14:00.680 there's always kind of classic things they never understand the countryside these people yeah and

01:14:04.940 i think like uh to me fox hunting is like a subversion of what hunting was particularly in

01:14:10.700 the medieval times where lords would um plant forests so they could go hunting boars and deers

01:14:16.380 and but they would make use of the body they would skin the animal make fair like nice coats

01:14:22.180 out of it blankets they would feast upon the animal that's what animal sacrifice is about it's

01:14:27.680 not killing uh an animal and um leaving it to the gods to watch it's no it's actually giving thanks

01:14:34.040 to its life it's uh appreciating that this animal has sacrificed itself for you to consume and fox

01:14:44.620 hunting's an inversion of that because they hunt the foxes then they just leave their corpses to

01:14:50.580 what and it's quite sad i mean i get it if they have chickens that's fair enough because they're

01:14:54.320 killing your livestock but most of the time these farmers don't have chickens and so i say you know

01:14:58.960 go back to deer hunting and leave you're making this american indian case for like using all of 0.88

01:15:03.520 the buffalo you're like i think ideally you'd be like living in wigrams and stuff wouldn't you

01:15:07.600 yeah you've gone i just i just want to live i want to live in a shed in the woods like this guy

01:15:13.240 there was a guy who also lived in the shed but i won't go into that um i love this painting this

01:15:20.120 is probably one of my favorite paintings by casper david uh friedrich uh he was one of the

01:15:25.780 old time i mean he was awesome he had the goat you know the famous painting of the man looking

01:15:33.740 out on the landscape represents like the faustian spirit but the reason i love this one is you have

01:15:40.660 a man here um it's german and um i think the context is is he he was fighting the french but

01:15:47.520 gone back to the woods and now germany was utterly covered in forests in in ancient times during like

01:15:54.240 the roman empire so much so that caesar's legion would just get lost for days and then killed by 0.59

01:15:58.320 the germanics that's where the name barbarian comes from it's because you had like the civil

01:16:02.960 you had civilization in southern europe where people wanted to live in big cities and towns

01:16:07.120 but the germanic wanted to live in the forest he flourished in the forest the forest provided him

01:16:11.920 everything he needed berries uh deer boar and dead wood to make fire and also like you could say the

01:16:20.240 the tree the trees they would sacrifice trees to build houses and give thanks to the the life of

01:16:26.160 that tree and i love this because he's turning to the forest and there's like a glow around him and

01:16:31.760 he's realizing no this is where i belong this is my habitat this is where my spirit flourishes and

01:16:39.040 And we see that in another character,

01:16:40.440 we see that in Tom Bombadil in The Lord of the Rings.

01:16:43.440 People misunderstand Tom Bombadil,

01:16:45.640 because too many people are disconnected from nature.

01:16:48.040 Too many people are too used to human creations and towns.

01:16:52.600 And so Tom Bombadil confuses them.

01:16:54.420 Like, I think Academic Agent isn't a fan of Tom Bombadil,

01:16:57.160 because he doesn't get it.

01:16:59.720 Tom Bombadil's representation of someone who lives in nature

01:17:02.920 and doesn't need anything outside of nature,

01:17:05.260 such as um power um because he has everything he has like the the beautiful blonde wife he has all

01:17:12.280 the trees surrounding him and all the beautiful landscapes and he has plenty plentiful of food

01:17:17.260 and water it's like why else would he desire anything and that's why when he puts on the ring

01:17:22.500 and this confuses people people think he's like a spirit that's why he's not tempted by the wrong

01:17:27.340 ring but when he puts on the ring he literally takes it off and chucks it back to the hobbits

01:17:32.500 and says this is useless i don't need this you have it yeah to be fair item talking does also

01:17:39.560 highlight the limitations of bombardill's philosophy as well so well because he because

01:17:45.020 he doesn't get involved in like good and evil and the whole the affairs of well he can't be

01:17:49.300 trusted yeah because he wouldn't forget about it yeah because he's nature some people say he

01:17:52.800 represents nature itself or the english countryside man in nature yeah i've noticed americans don't

01:17:56.980 always get him and yeah other certain people who are not from the country me being from the english

01:18:01.420 countryside i get him immediately although they say have you ever had one of his big no but they

01:18:06.100 say talking saw a bloke like that actually in south africa so he may have been based on a guy

01:18:09.560 talking to in africa but really he is the spirit of the english country what's interesting is that

01:18:13.480 um tolkien uh the hobbits do like they go through a mushroom field before they meet tom bombadil

01:18:18.480 and tolkien particularly liked uh mushrooms from a field so maybe interpret that as you will but i

01:18:24.160 think it's a different interpretation of maybe tolkien's connection to nature and it's definitely

01:18:30.720 a red flag is when someone says, oh, Bombadour's

01:18:32.720 boring, or I didn't get the Bombadour bit, or

01:18:33.980 massive red flag. It confuses them. End the date there.

01:18:37.180 Sorry. It was a city dweller.

01:18:38.720 Sorry, for the sake of time, we'll have to push on.

01:18:40.840 I apologise. It's my fault for the long

01:18:42.860 Bombadour digression. 1.00

01:18:44.680 The Germanics and the Celts 1.00

01:18:46.320 love trees, and trees to them

01:18:48.760 are sacred, particularly oaks,

01:18:50.920 particularly great old trees,

01:18:52.720 which connected man to the past

01:18:55.120 and had stood for hundreds and

01:18:56.840 hundreds of years, and they had a form of

01:18:58.860 capital punishment that if you dare even peel the bark of a sacred tree you would have your

01:19:04.800 uh stomach cut open and your intestines pinned to the tree and you would have to walk around it

01:19:09.740 until you were disemboweled and now there's no party policy now there's a party there's a party

01:19:16.300 i would vote for um who did this sorry i missed it who the germanics our ancestors and now there's

01:19:23.000 no and that what's interesting about that is there's no cases of that actually happening

01:19:26.740 It most likely was, look, if you had that tree, this is what's going to happen, to put people off.

01:19:32.860 But this sentiment's never left us at all.

01:19:35.560 It's always been a part of us.

01:19:37.360 And this is why I don't think it's fair to see tree hugging as just a hippie phenomena.

01:19:42.860 Actually, it's integral to who we are as a people.

01:19:45.840 And so when the tree at Hadrian's Wall was cut down,

01:19:51.100 people, you had this lady here arguing that 10 months wasn't enough for cutting down the tree.

01:19:56.160 Yeah, it's a spiritual thing.

01:19:57.900 It's a spiritual thing.

01:19:59.220 And also people at the time

01:20:00.720 rather came for this guy to die.

01:20:02.540 Just like our Germanic ancestors 0.98

01:20:05.320 advocated for the death penalty 0.99

01:20:06.780 for harming sacred trees.

01:20:08.380 Because the tree also represents an omen.

01:20:12.700 A tree connects a people to their civilization.

01:20:16.220 Like the White Tree of Gondor

01:20:18.960 in The Lord of the Rings.

01:20:20.320 The tree dies only to be planted

01:20:22.140 with the king and it represents

01:20:24.060 how civilizational winter turning into a golden age when uh the king returns but the romans had

01:20:30.700 the same they had this tree called phacus rominius and it was um planted way before even the roman

01:20:37.420 republic when um the spot um where romilius and remus uh came the founding sort of fathers of

01:20:45.100 rome uh came as as newborn babies to the shore and the tree existed all the way to emperor nero

01:20:51.740 and then it died and there was times where people were seeing the tree river away and die and they

01:20:57.980 were concerned and they saw oh no they saw it as oh no our civilizational civilization is falling

01:21:04.140 we as a people are declining this is a great omen from the gods and obviously it did die under

01:21:08.860 emperor nero but we have the same i mean recently there's that tree in um the robin hood tree as

01:21:16.620 well yeah i saw that as a child and yeah it's very sad it is but it represents our spirit as

01:21:21.900 a people i mean we should take these things as omens and what's interesting about this case is

01:21:25.660 these people such as this fellow had no idea why they cut down the tree they said they were drunk

01:21:30.060 and they just did it it's almost as if they were like spiritually guided to cut down this tree as 0.66

01:21:34.540 an omen but yeah they they deserve the worst tree cutters tree cutters deserve the worst to be

01:21:39.740 honest i mean i get if you need wood and um if the tree is dying if it is actually dying but you know

01:21:46.380 know if you're cutting down the tree because it's because you want to that's just that's just evil

01:21:50.500 and here's i think this is a great representation of britain today i mean it's it's it's of the

01:21:55.440 battlefield in world first world war but it represents what we are doing to our country

01:22:01.140 the fact we are literally skinning our country alive um another great painting this one's by

01:22:06.940 paul nash um it's very good to me it represents you could say hs2 this is how i imagine in my

01:22:13.840 mind HS2. But also the fact that like nearly half a million trees in the past several years have

01:22:21.680 been cut down to build for the A14 in Cambridgeshire. Half a million trees, like we literally

01:22:26.860 don't have a lot of trees in Britain. So the fact that we're cutting half a million down

01:22:31.780 to build meaningless roads for cars is just sickening. But this is a common theme with

01:22:39.540 councils councils constantly just cut down healthy trees for no reason i mean the reason i feel so

01:22:44.680 strongly about this is because um uh in december i woke up to the sound of uh what i thought was a

01:22:52.160 lawn mower lawn mower and i looked outside my my bedroom window and my favorite tree was being cut

01:22:59.300 from limb to limb in front of me and it was like probably one of my most traumatizing memories

01:23:04.040 i just i just i felt like a part of me was just being ripped because i had grown so used to how

01:23:09.660 it swelled and all the patterns that i had grown up with as a child and it was healthy it was still

01:23:14.840 blossoming and where i live so basically i live next to a forest which it's like closed off and

01:23:21.860 um to allow it to um flourish properly and be wild so the fact they even cut it down was just

01:23:28.500 sickening it was like in in a way of nothing it's because the council needs crows to to meet so they

01:23:33.720 will cut down any tree they see fit um and this was a main problem in sheffield um which cut down

01:23:40.680 nearly 18 000 trees a couple of years ago for no reason despite protests and newcastle doubled that

01:23:46.440 size i think newcastle is the main place in britain which cuts down the where the council's

01:23:51.000 cut down the most trees for no um entire reason but we'll have to draw it towards the end yeah

01:23:58.920 but here's one of property developers who are from turkey cutting down oh really yeah um for

01:24:04.920 profits and that's just what you have to remember is it's people putting their capitalist interests

01:24:10.280 first and here's another one of toby carvery cutting down the sycamore gap which was 500

01:24:15.080 year old tree in enfield uh and they said it was dead it wasn't dead it's because they wanted to

01:24:20.440 build a coffee on top of it another sick capitalist thing and so i want to end this

01:24:25.960 segment talking about what does real political action look like to me it's this woman i love 0.51

01:24:30.440 this woman she's my favorite political activist maybe i am a hippie um she lived in the tree and

01:24:36.280 she lived in the great redwoods in california so some of the oldest trees in the world they've 0.99

01:24:41.320 existed before the roman empire and she lived in one of them for two years to prevent it from being

01:24:47.320 cut down for developers impressive yeah so it's very impressive instead of sitting around and 0.85

01:24:53.240 waiting for the council to do something and buggering the council which never does anything

01:24:58.200 at all and it's completely it's completely useless and just ignores people's concerns

01:25:03.160 here she is taking action into her own hands and living in a tree and um there's also like some

01:25:09.880 great charities as well which are protecting trees like lawyers for nature and they got into uh the

01:25:15.080 news recently because the council took them to court for clearing out a river for taking action

01:25:20.040 into their own hands and helping the environment by picking up litter apparently that was too far

01:25:25.560 um but yeah trees we trees are fundamental and uh you need to protect them very good uh that

01:25:35.760 engaged few for five dollars says stop skinning the world needs to be a new lotus eaters t-shirt

01:25:39.880 yeah very very good framing very good framing and for one dollar uh uh merrick mail says i visited

01:25:45.520 bhutan they had constitutional uh they have constitutional protecting for protection for

01:25:50.800 trees uh viewing them as uh vital pillars of spiritual life environmental health and national

01:25:55.680 happiness maybe due to them being a buddhist country well i mean good for bhutan uh jack

01:26:01.520 how many do we have uh video comments today sir all right let's uh play them and then we'll uh

01:26:07.520 Read a few comments, and we'll get ready for Lads Hour.

01:26:13.000 Wolverine.

01:26:13.680 Oh, it's Sophie.

01:26:17.940 There's no volume on it, Jack.

01:26:19.580 I don't know if it's meant to be that way, or...

01:26:32.600 I can't hear a thing.

01:26:33.840 Definitely no volume.

01:26:37.520 But yeah, terrific drawings, as always, Sophie. Very good.

01:26:50.640 Impressive. Very impressive. I'm sorry I couldn't hear whatever it was that you were saying.

01:26:56.000 Maybe we will on the next one. I'm not sure. We'll have a go.

01:27:03.160 No, I can't hear.

01:27:03.980 No, there's no volume. All right, Jack, we'll figure that out on Monday.

01:27:07.520 uh let's just um i'll go through some of the comments from i bashed through a couple of

01:27:11.660 segments yeah sure nick so zesty king is still not fat says the boomers would do well to remember

01:27:16.560 that it's always young men here on the front lines whether we're talking about war physical violence

01:27:20.480 career making wealth acquisition or dating they are the canaries in the coal mine and when they

01:27:24.440 chirp you know you have a problem and they've also said it's very interesting to me how the author

01:27:29.760 of the rights of man thomas payne lived in lewis for over five years it seems that lewis is the

01:27:33.960 home of rights oh that's interesting that is interesting those are the gold ones i knew he's

01:27:38.220 from thetford you know because it's got a huge forest uh near there and uh then from my segment

01:27:45.120 we've got um let me just scroll down we've got sophia liv saying i'm thinking probably it's not

01:27:51.240 uh it is not to make aslan female but androgynous neither man or woman which uh kind of goes into 0.94

01:27:58.420 their philosophy that god could have been neither man or woman which is of course um dumb adam was

01:28:05.860 created in the image of god page one of the bible yeah very very well said age one uh and az desert 0.56

01:28:11.700 rat says are they trying to make um trying to mail narnia into the labyrinth um how about no uh i

01:28:19.620 think he meant make yeah yeah yeah the labyrinth did come to mind actually when i first saw it

01:28:25.140 And then from your segment, Liz, Michael Dribelbus says,

01:28:28.940 rights of trees must be considered before any asylum seeker. 0.99

01:28:32.560 Yeah, save trees, not refugees. 0.99

01:28:34.460 Yeah, and Lancelot. 1.00

01:28:35.920 Good night, Lancelot says,

01:28:38.340 the filling of the sycamore gap tree felt like a dark omen.

01:28:41.520 Yeah.

01:28:41.700 Made me furious and heartbroken.

01:28:43.460 Yeah, very well, very well said.

01:28:45.820 All right, well, Liz, Nick, thank you for joining me.

01:28:48.900 We will all be back in half an hour, ladies and gentlemen.

01:28:51.260 I forgot to say at the beginning of this

01:28:53.300 that we do of course have a lads hour at three o'clock so do join the three of us as well as Dan

01:28:57.800 where we're going to be going through um the top films uh top women's films and top men's films

01:29:05.560 and talking about the distinctions between them and some thoughts that we might have so it should

01:29:10.780 all be really good fun and a very film-centric lads hour uh hope you've enjoyed the show ladies

01:29:16.100 and gentlemen and if you don't join us for lads hour we wish you a very good weekend take care

01:29:23.300 Thank you.

01:29:53.300 Thank you.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 18, 2026

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