The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1519

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the list this is the second of october

00:00:04.060 2026 i'm with nick and josh and today we're going to be talking about loads of bloody

00:00:08.420 bullshit that keeps happening i'm sick of it right way to sell it to everyone

00:00:13.020 it's just the things that are happening are so insufferable man i i drove into work angry today

00:00:19.780 because i'm i was watching the question time debate yesterday and we're going to cover that

00:00:24.160 because it's just honestly infuriating uh then we're going to be talking about labor and

00:00:28.400 immigration or something wasn't it yeah she's on my mood just lying about immigration constantly

00:00:32.260 then we're going to be talking about helping young people yeah i've actually got a segment

00:00:37.000 about how to fix things oh god pinch yourself i never do that i know that's my whole reason for

00:00:42.980 existing so uh world's changing anyway um after the podcast three o'clock on lessees.com we're

00:00:52.360 going to be doing a lads hour that i have no idea about either um but dan has been preparing for this

00:00:57.960 for the last 24 hours it's called keep talking and nobody explodes we're defusing a bomb are we

00:01:03.880 jesus okay that's all i know i haven't defused many bombs well this isn't in the studio by the

00:01:09.120 way swindon's just got to such a point that just to get through the street we're getting ready for

00:01:14.520 the coming war anyway okay well let's let's let's begin so um i i watched the question time debate

00:01:20.760 about englishness i watched the entire episode it was insufferable like fiona bruce begins by

00:01:26.660 going hello hello i've we've rep we've we've arranged an audience that is a representative

00:01:31.180 sample of libtards from around the country it's like okay these totally random people that all

00:01:36.120 agree with the bbc you know what you know i'm gonna play a compilation i made out of it where

00:01:41.360 it's just like unbelievable so much of the work that keeps this country running is done by migrants

00:01:46.960 how can we debate immigration without making them feel unwelcome

00:01:51.780 yeah i i think it's quite ironic that we're talking about migration into what what is one

00:02:04.960 of the most successful cities on this globe so without migration london wouldn't be where it is

00:02:10.180 it is very successful city at what it does and you take other examples new york in the u.s

00:02:16.120 or Montreal in Canada, don't we need to replicate that success more widely?

00:02:21.620 I understand it's a bit more challenging in smaller places,

00:02:24.640 but rather than denigrating migration,

00:02:27.040 shouldn't we be taking some of that success

00:02:28.600 and understanding why it's working?

00:02:30.820 And I understand that there are issues.

00:02:32.660 It's not all a success story, but overall, if you look at the stats,

00:02:36.380 if you look at some serious research,

00:02:38.380 it does state that migration actually is a great added value to London,

00:02:44.060 and without that, we would be much poorer, actually,

00:02:46.260 as a country as a whole, not just as a city.

00:02:48.460 Not even Keir Starmer thought that.

00:02:49.980 I feel that the migration conversation has really just become

00:02:51.620 about normalising hatred lately.

00:02:53.860 For example, Rishi Sunak has had to release an article saying

00:02:57.320 why he's English, as if there was ever a doubt on the question.

00:03:01.040 And is talking about stopping the boats

00:03:04.280 and all the people who have been saying let them drown,

00:03:07.280 which is very inhumane,

00:03:09.300 is that not just legitimising racism and hatred?

00:03:14.060 Basically.

00:03:15.060 Isn't it racist guys?

00:03:17.060 Isn't that a representative slice of the country?

00:03:20.680 Just play these clips and cut to footage of people being set on fire in France, you know,

00:03:24.680 fires, looting.

00:03:25.680 It's like, the country's going to burn while these idiots are going, isn't it a bit racist?

00:03:29.820 But the universal opinion from the audience is, immigration is brilliant.

00:03:32.880 We need to do everything we can to make the migrants feel welcome.

00:03:35.380 And aren't you just a racist for suggesting anything otherwise?

00:03:38.380 Where's the bloke getting his figures?

00:03:39.940 Sorry, that GDP, like, that it helps the GDP?

00:03:42.120 It doesn't even help it.

00:03:43.120 stats are there most migration doesn't doesn't help in fact it's the same trend in every european

00:03:48.000 country yes the across the board so the the danes uh use a term called menapt um which was was a

00:03:56.440 middle eastern african and something else right basically all of the evidence so far shows that

00:04:02.820 if you get white western european people or people of white western european descent

00:04:07.640 then they are generally a net productive force

00:04:11.300 in your society for immigration.

00:04:13.120 Literally everyone else isn't.

00:04:15.100 Yeah, net negative.

00:04:16.000 How can you not know this?

00:04:16.740 I mean, like 1997 wants its argument back.

00:04:19.340 God, yeah, exactly, right?

00:04:20.760 This feels like just people from the early 90s

00:04:23.740 or the late 90s just talking about things

00:04:26.420 they have no idea about.

00:04:27.620 Also, this notion of, yeah,

00:04:29.980 London only became a great city when it became diverse.

00:04:33.400 It's just like, well, in the 19th century,

00:04:35.900 at the height of the British Empire.

00:04:36.940 It was the largest city in the world and the richest place on earth.

00:04:40.320 And it was also vast majority English.

00:04:43.220 Oh, yes, 95% English.

00:04:45.300 In its heyday, it's just absurd, isn't it?

00:04:48.820 Yeah, London is a fallen city compared to what it used to bloody be.

00:04:52.400 It's interesting as well that they're taking basically our talking points here

00:04:57.520 and making a question-to-question about it,

00:05:00.260 except they're rigging it so much that the crowd, panel,

00:05:04.440 and everyone are digging up these old tired ideas

00:05:07.280 that if one right-wing person was in the room

00:05:09.700 would be able to dismantle quite easily.

00:05:11.960 Yeah, and that guy would be like,

00:05:13.480 oh, London is such a great city.

00:05:15.360 We need to take it to the rest of the country.

00:05:16.940 What's he saying?

00:05:17.700 We need more migrants in the rest of the country.

00:05:19.540 Otherwise, we don't have prosperity.

00:05:21.060 It's like, oh, shut up.

00:05:22.240 And implicit in that is

00:05:23.460 if you're one of the native British

00:05:25.800 in one of those areas,

00:05:27.200 you need to be replaced because I'm afraid...

00:05:30.180 We're going to get to who the indigenous population

00:05:32.260 of the country is shortly.

00:05:34.000 Anyway, so everything about this, everything about this,

00:05:37.720 was framed in relation to the immigrants,

00:05:40.000 as if they are the true citizens of our country.

00:05:42.680 Watch this.

00:05:44.320 Well, I don't know if there are any recent migrants in the room.

00:05:47.460 Just to be clear, right, there are recent migrants in the room.

00:05:50.380 That is a Labour MP from Sierra Leone.

00:05:53.220 She is currently part of the government,

00:05:54.940 part of the Energy Net Zero wing of the government.

00:05:59.040 She is literally a migrant from Sierra Leone.

00:06:01.380 Well, Ollie wouldn't know.

00:06:02.320 Yeah, Oli didn't even look it up.

00:06:04.320 We wouldn't know because identity is a personal construct.

00:06:06.980 She could be identifying as not a recent migrant.

00:06:09.660 I guess so, and I guess she must be.

00:06:11.540 Well, I don't know if there are any recent migrants in the room,

00:06:14.140 but I suspect there'll be some watching on TV,

00:06:15.680 and I can't imagine they've been made to feel particularly welcomed

00:06:17.620 by what's just been said.

00:06:20.380 Migrants need to contribute.

00:06:21.580 We need to crack down.

00:06:22.860 People who are here illegally need to be deported,

00:06:24.400 which I think, you know, these are all legitimate things to say.

00:06:27.720 To immigrant communities in my constituency,

00:06:30.260 some of the most staunchest proponents of immigration control

00:06:33.720 are people who have come here, played by the rules,

00:06:36.580 and feel that their own position in society is being undermined.

00:06:39.560 Absolutely. Look, I don't disagree with that at all.

00:06:41.620 I think we should have control over our immigration system.

00:06:42.920 You just tried to insinuate that what you said makes people feel unwelcome.

00:06:46.120 Julia, you were asked, how can we make migrants feel welcome?

00:06:49.180 You didn't say, we could be nice to them.

00:06:52.240 The point is about immigration discourse.

00:06:54.680 It's the tenor in which we talk about this.

00:06:56.560 He wasn't talking about illegal immigration.

00:06:57.840 He was talking about people who want to come and work in the country.

00:07:00.260 You're talking about the small boats crisis.

00:07:01.960 This is the problem in action.

00:07:04.060 That's why we're talking about the issue.

00:07:05.420 Yeah, okay.

00:07:06.340 Well, look, I would just say we treat them as our fellow human beings

00:07:09.940 would be sort of the baseline place to start.

00:07:11.720 Yeah, man, like John Lennon said.

00:07:13.340 I don't think it's much more complicated than that.

00:07:14.080 It's just so lame.

00:07:16.120 She's human beings, man.

00:07:17.560 But also, yeah, you're right.

00:07:18.280 It's all framed in terms of she's like,

00:07:19.260 well, there's hardworking immigrants who know more immigrants.

00:07:20.920 The migrants in my constituents, you're really bothered by it.

00:07:23.120 And the only representative of sort of the other side is Suella Bradham.

00:07:25.140 It's like, where is the representative of our side?

00:07:28.260 It is Suella.

00:07:29.240 and of course she gets piled on in a minute as we'll see but yeah we will um but it's absolutely

00:07:33.540 sufferable the only important people in the country are the migrants i mean the first question

00:07:36.920 was how can we well what are we going to do about the pensions of course it's like yeah we have to

00:07:41.100 get rid of the triple lock but then it was just migrant the whole way for the rest of it it's like

00:07:45.120 right okay i'm just sick of it just think about how do we make the migrants feel welcome i don't

00:07:49.700 want to i want them to go home well the the food the pajamas and the coaches with the with the

00:07:56.740 sort of presidential escort was a good start.

00:08:00.120 They're much more welcome than that.

00:08:02.420 Yeah, four-star hotels, that's pretty welcome.

00:08:04.400 Yeah, free health care.

00:08:05.680 Anyway, so then we get into the debate about Englishness,

00:08:08.560 and this is how it's framed.

00:08:10.200 Rishi Sunak saying that he is English.

00:08:13.080 And this came about because he was in an interview

00:08:16.140 and he was saying he was being described as a brown Hindu

00:08:20.380 who was British but couldn't be English.

00:08:22.200 And I know you were born here, Suenna.

00:08:25.440 Yes.

00:08:25.920 And you have talked about the fact that you are British,

00:08:28.880 but you are not English.

00:08:31.020 What's that about?

00:08:34.280 I agree with that tone, just in a different direction.

00:08:37.440 Samson's even laughing.

00:08:38.540 What's that all about?

00:08:39.960 An Ali G-level question.

00:08:42.260 It's so funny.

00:08:43.180 Fiona Bruce, as the conversation goes on,

00:08:46.420 becomes more and more baffled by what's being described.

00:08:49.540 He's hearing about English ethnicity for the first time.

00:08:51.880 I'm hearing this for the first time.

00:08:53.380 And for some reason, it doesn't include Indians.

00:08:55.400 how do we explain this? But anyway, so this is the good faith framing that Fiona Bruce has

00:09:01.240 approached this with. Swella Braveman gives a sensible answer, obviously. I mean, we'll listen

00:09:05.060 to an answer. Very sensible. Of course I'm not English. I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not an

00:09:11.160 English person. I am of Asian origin. And in my book released today, I track some of my ancestry.

00:09:18.280 Some of my ancestors come from India via Mauritius and Kenya, all over the world, but they're not

00:09:23.720 English. It would be misrepresentative of me to co-opt Englishness as an ethnicity. Just in the

00:09:31.120 same way, it'd be absurd that if someone like me were born in Japan, I would never call myself

00:09:35.860 Japanese. Or if I was born in China, I would never call myself Chinese. Why are the English peoples

00:09:42.540 the only group of people on the earth who cannot have a distinct identity? That baffles me.

00:09:49.420 yeah it's completely normal uh but actually it's a it's a very sensible piece about it

00:09:57.140 in unheard he doesn't claim to be english he's like my ancestry is irish and greek but i'm but

00:10:04.200 i'm in england but i'm not english ethnically why is this hard and the the denial of that

00:10:09.520 although people can you know it depends it depends what you do with it you know what you do with this

00:10:13.760 fact you could do evil things with it i suppose or you could do nothing with it but the denial

00:10:18.540 There's a denial that English ethnicity exists.

00:10:21.320 It's such a bizarre starting point that no one tries to do it.

00:10:24.060 As she says, don't try to do it for any other group.

00:10:27.360 It's funny how you ask someone in, say, the Scottish National Party,

00:10:31.640 who are the English.

00:10:32.860 They'll soon tell you.

00:10:34.820 And it's also interesting as well that Fiona Bruce asks,

00:10:39.320 so were you born here?

00:10:40.600 Do you know how many times I've been asked that?

00:10:42.800 Never.

00:10:43.540 Yeah.

00:10:43.940 And that's because people look at me and listen to how I'm speaking,

00:10:47.200 like, okay, well, you're from here, aren't you?

00:10:49.620 Well, he's from Spain, obviously.

00:10:51.680 Yeah, when I've come back from holiday.

00:10:52.600 Josh has just come back from holiday.

00:10:54.080 It's Leo Spain.

00:10:55.460 Do you know what, though?

00:10:56.180 The other ridiculous thing is, of course,

00:10:57.680 that none of this would be happening

00:10:58.660 without the left's insanity,

00:11:01.000 without their policies.

00:11:01.980 They wanted infant immigration.

00:11:03.680 They wanted to constantly denigrate white people

00:11:05.860 and exclude them from the workplace with DEI

00:11:08.640 and demonise them with critical race theory

00:11:11.080 and have two-tier justice.

00:11:13.040 You're talking about the Conservative Party, right?

00:11:14.580 Yes.

00:11:15.060 That happened all under the Conservatives.

00:11:17.200 Yes, whoever, the uniparty, the left as well.

00:11:20.420 And then they wanted to say the English ethnicity doesn't exist.

00:11:23.820 And it's like, if you do all this, this is the world you've created.

00:11:26.480 And that's literally Jacob Rees-Mogg's position.

00:11:28.360 True, yeah.

00:11:29.020 True, I'm saying the left because I'm thinking of Ollie on the panel.

00:11:32.400 But he's the same as Mog on this question.

00:11:35.220 But yeah, no, you're exactly right.

00:11:38.320 Sensible answer, nobody appreciated it.

00:11:40.160 I love the audience's face.

00:11:42.640 It's the hand-picked audience.

00:11:44.140 Yeah, the representative libtards of the country.

00:11:46.860 The audience always gives Faraj like total stone-cold silence

00:11:49.820 when he has like a third of the country or whatever.

00:11:51.980 Yeah, as if Faraj couldn't get an applause in a bloody crowd.

00:11:55.520 Anyway, yeah, so Soil of Brigham gives a very sensible answer,

00:11:58.520 as in your ethnicity is inherited.

00:12:00.720 I inherited my Indian ethnicity, she says, from my Indian parents,

00:12:05.640 and so if I am in England, it's not magic soil,

00:12:09.280 it doesn't make me English, I'm still Indian,

00:12:12.020 and any doctor on earth would agree,

00:12:13.960 because if I went into a doctor's and they were like,

00:12:16.240 oh there's something terribly wrong with your bone marrow or something they'd be like oh we

00:12:21.240 we can't just randomly pick an english person out of a crowd for you we have to find an indian

00:12:25.320 and in fact the nhs is currently on a big drive to get black people to donate blood

00:12:29.460 why why would we need to do that what's the difference oh apparently there is a difference

00:12:34.960 and the nhs recognizes it but apparently we're not allowed to conceptually recognize it anyway so

00:12:39.640 Zorla gives a perfectly reasonable and obvious answer.

00:12:45.200 And Fiona Bruce is just like, I just cannot get this.

00:12:47.820 I do not understand.

00:12:49.400 How far back then do you have to go

00:12:55.040 to be considered fully English then?

00:13:00.840 Are we talking 1066?

00:13:03.220 Are we talking three generations?

00:13:06.700 Will you laugh?

00:13:07.560 No, I'm not laughing.

00:13:08.440 I'm serious.

00:13:08.840 Well, you are speaking a little bit facetiously, but I mean, other countries.

00:13:11.640 I'm joking. Well, I don't know if I am, actually. I mean, what is an English person?

00:13:16.340 In other countries.

00:13:17.640 What is an English person? What's a Palestinian, Fiona?

00:13:20.340 Because we're awkward about it in England, but it's like, well, then perhaps you shouldn't have spent the last X years

00:13:25.060 constantly saying that every other group is amazing and should constantly be asserted

00:13:29.120 and that ours either doesn't exist or is evil when it does suddenly exist.

00:13:32.920 So it's like, this is what you wanted.

00:13:34.460 but you know what's hilarious is we haven't treated someone like this on question time since

00:13:38.600 nick griffin and it's now suella brahman like suella brahman's the new figure yeah this sort

00:13:46.340 of what's she hateful about i'm an indian please god let me be an indian and they're like no you're

00:13:51.440 english yeah the struggle session she's going through the host against the the audience against

00:13:55.520 the panel against that this is like griffin level persecution also does no mean no mean nothing to

00:14:00.920 these people like no no no no are you sure you're not english i think you are we're gonna make you

00:14:05.200 english and so on the braveman's just like no please please leave me alone just let me be an

00:14:08.620 indian um but i love fiona bruce's uh sort of like huh and she's slow talking it through like oh

00:14:15.000 i've never had a thought like this how many generations back do you have to go one

00:14:19.580 one you don't get to choose your parents are either english or not english you get english

00:14:25.460 ethnicity from your parents or you don't you don't need to like if you if you've got a random

00:14:30.280 japanese guy dumped him in the west midlands and left him there for five generations a random

00:14:35.120 japanese family they don't become any less japanese after five generations of japanese

00:14:39.060 people making japanese babies if you have two japanese astronauts and they have a baby on mars

00:14:43.880 they don't become martians they're still japanese exactly you can take it out of the earth's

00:14:48.840 atmosphere if you really want to they can explain that song turning japanese yeah well it must be

00:14:55.800 possible but that's but but that's in fact i'm glad you brought that because that that's the

00:14:59.580 fundamental crux of her argument, isn't it? Well, aren't you actually a product of the social

00:15:06.160 contract? Aren't you just actually a product of the place rather than the place being a product

00:15:09.900 of you? Because in the old world, England is named after the Angles and Saxons. France is named after

00:15:15.020 the Franks. Germany is named after the Germans. Blah, blah, blah. In America, the Americans are

00:15:21.300 named after the land, right? Now that's not the same. That's an inversion of how we do things.

00:15:26.160 and fiona bruce is so completely americanized in this she's like well if you're here for a few

00:15:31.400 generations then surely you become english because you were living here it's like no

00:15:37.240 that's not how it works here at all so it's one generation but and also so it does do we go back

00:15:43.480 to 1066 like what does she what but what does she think lineages right does she think oh right so

00:15:50.860 your anglo-saxon lineage was popped up around 1700 maybe no it goes back to the anglo-saxon

00:15:57.680 invasion of britain so the fourth century literally but then it goes back before into

00:16:02.680 like areas of denmark and then time immemorial that we just have no idea about because before

00:16:08.400 this dog or record and then you've got the bell beakers and the naya culture and all that sort

00:16:12.360 of stuff that by the way is not insignificant and we you can go into all of this and get into

00:16:18.740 why DNA haplogroups, and it doesn't dismiss any of our arguments.

00:16:22.680 And these things, because she's acting as if there is some sort of breakage, right?

00:16:27.400 There is no breakage.

00:16:28.900 Where do you stand on this idea, I was talking to someone about recently,

00:16:31.060 about if you're American, though, and you could prove English heritage,

00:16:34.620 you're not more English than someone, an English person.

00:16:37.440 You're obviously less English than me,

00:16:39.240 but you can have English heritage and be an American.

00:16:41.620 Yeah.

00:16:43.120 There's a lot to talk about.

00:16:44.300 Where do you stand on, if you're half English, but you're half, I don't know, African,

00:16:48.740 so you have half English ancestry,

00:16:50.400 you're therefore more English than, say, a white European, for example.

00:16:54.080 Well, yeah.

00:16:54.720 Yeah, well, so these are some of the things that...

00:16:57.360 If I'm half English and half Spanish,

00:16:59.880 am I more Englishman than a Frenchman?

00:17:02.440 Yeah, obviously.

00:17:03.000 I know, but these are things that don't really get brought up in this debate

00:17:04.860 because they're trying to frame it all as race.

00:17:06.680 It's like platonic ideals, isn't it?

00:17:08.940 If you imagine the platonic ideal of a cake,

00:17:11.460 you imagine icing, maybe some birthday candles on the top,

00:17:14.200 but it doesn't mean a Victoria sponge without icing...

00:17:16.840 Isn't a cake, yeah.

00:17:17.560 Exactly.

00:17:18.460 But, yeah, no, I personally just think the primary way of doing it

00:17:22.120 is just through lineal ancestral inheritance.

00:17:24.900 So if you have English heritage, and English is, of course,

00:17:27.940 an objectively identifiable group of haplogroups or whatever they call them,

00:17:32.640 it's genetically identifiable, which is why we can do DNA tests

00:17:36.340 and find out how English you are, then you have English ancestry.

00:17:40.620 If you don't, then you don't.

00:17:41.800 I mean, Fiona Bruce herself was born in Singapore.

00:17:44.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:44.500 Is she Singaporean?

00:17:45.560 Well, exactly.

00:17:45.960 I'm just asking to be fair and, you know, have an objective debate.

00:17:49.520 Of course, my DNA broke the test.

00:17:51.260 It was so English.

00:17:51.920 It was 95% and the other 5% was Viking, which is English anyway.

00:17:54.920 And I'm not saying that there isn't something that's built on top of this,

00:17:58.880 which is the kind of infrastructure of the social aspect of being English, right?

00:18:06.800 As in, you are right.

00:18:07.740 Someone who's got English ethnicity but born in America or Japan or wherever

00:18:11.120 and grows up there isn't going to think of themselves as being English

00:18:15.060 because they are just not in the social milieu of England.

00:18:19.280 They won't understand it.

00:18:20.280 They won't understand the folkways, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:21.860 The cultural component and the ethnic component,

00:18:24.200 but they tried to completely deny the ethnic component.

00:18:26.320 Exactly.

00:18:27.060 They want it to just be the cultural component.

00:18:29.400 And in fact, this is what this chap here is pointing out.

00:18:34.620 I think what you've done is just basically reinforce the racist argument.

00:18:40.140 I've been on this planet for 54 years,

00:18:42.420 and the amount of times I've been told I'm not English,

00:18:45.680 even though I was born here,

00:18:47.520 if I'd had a penny for every time I'd been given that.

00:18:49.740 And do you consider yourself English?

00:18:51.320 Can I ask you?

00:18:52.020 Absolutely.

00:18:54.080 Absolutely.

00:18:55.100 So what you've done is reinforce the argument.

00:18:59.380 I'm being racist against myself.

00:19:01.400 Basically.

00:19:02.060 Right, well, that makes a lot of sense.

00:19:03.480 Basically, you are.

00:19:04.360 I'm not going to be racist against myself.

00:19:05.360 Basically, you are.

00:19:06.260 I believe we can have a cohesive society that unites around British identity.

00:19:11.280 You understand the word Indigenous, yeah?

00:19:13.820 But I also want to pay respect to the English people,

00:19:19.420 and I don't think that is something controversial.

00:19:21.200 No one's disrespecting English people.

00:19:23.400 Do you understand what the word Indigenous means?

00:19:25.300 Yeah.

00:19:25.540 If you were born here, you're Indigenous.

00:19:27.540 All right.

00:19:28.060 Yeah? Simple.

00:19:28.940 That's literally not what it means.

00:19:30.020 That's literally not what it means, no.

00:19:32.100 The word Indigenous really only applies to groups.

00:19:36.200 There's no point talking about an Indigenous individual person

00:19:39.260 because, I mean, well, they might not be.

00:19:41.740 For example, what he's done there

00:19:43.080 is alleviated all of our sins of colonialism.

00:19:45.900 It's so great.

00:19:47.180 Now, no, every Englishman who was born in India

00:19:49.320 was just an indigenous Indian.

00:19:50.860 There was no British Empire.

00:19:52.420 What are you talking about?

00:19:53.620 Right, well, that's what I mean

00:19:54.240 about sort of stroding as English person.

00:19:55.900 We don't exist, slash we do and we're evil.

00:19:58.000 Until we need reparations.

00:19:59.300 Yeah.

00:19:59.840 It's also interesting as well,

00:20:01.300 the implications of this commonly held belief

00:20:03.740 because it holds that the Maori are a distinct ethnicity

00:20:07.080 that some people might argue, not myself,

00:20:11.240 that they're oppressed by the white majority now.

00:20:15.380 The indigenous majority.

00:20:16.940 Yeah, and they arrived in the 14th century,

00:20:20.160 the Anglo-Saxons, a thousand years before that to Britain,

00:20:24.440 and they're denying that that exists.

00:20:27.780 Yeah, because it's a double standard

00:20:29.740 and they just hate us and want us dead.

00:20:31.440 But the point being, that's not what indigenous means.

00:20:34.180 Indigenous really refers to groups of people

00:20:35.700 and where the ethnogenesis of those people become.

00:20:38.360 So I actually agree that, you know,

00:20:40.500 the Maori are indigenous to New Zealand

00:20:42.240 because they didn't consider themselves,

00:20:44.800 whatever groups they came from

00:20:46.800 and became Maori in New Zealand,

00:20:49.000 weren't Maori back then.

00:20:50.440 I mean, for example, we aren't Anglo-Saxons,

00:20:52.860 as in we don't speak Danish,

00:20:54.660 as in they don't speak English in Denmark

00:20:56.660 or wherever the Anglo-Saxons came from, right?

00:20:58.800 The English are actually an amalgamation

00:21:00.680 of several different groups

00:21:01.960 that became over the course of 1,500 years,

00:21:04.720 the English.

00:21:05.700 um this isn't actually a very controversial thing and and literally like 50 years ago every

00:21:10.880 anthropologist would have told you exactly that right well there'll be there'll be genes and

00:21:15.340 strands of dna and like that can only be found in english people yeah or combinations of yeah well

00:21:21.640 that's this is the classic meme the um eggs sugar and flour exist yes so so you're not there's no

00:21:26.560 cake there's no cake yeah and but but the point is okay well i've been told my whole life i'm not

00:21:31.800 english why would they tell you that i've not been told that have you been told that no

00:21:35.720 Of course not.

00:21:36.400 Why would you have been told that?

00:21:37.200 Because you're not English.

00:21:37.900 That's why.

00:21:38.880 And they say, well, I'm indigenous.

00:21:40.080 No, you're actually part of a colonial project in England.

00:21:44.440 And if anyone born in an area becomes indigenous in that area,

00:21:48.640 then there is no such thing as colonialism.

00:21:51.400 Like, everyone's like, oh, Israel's a colonial state.

00:21:54.160 No, most of the Israelis in Israel have been born in Israel.

00:21:56.820 Well, especially given that identity is a personal construct.

00:21:59.720 Well, yes, we'll get to it in a minute from Ollie.

00:22:02.760 In fact, let's move on to Oli now you've mentioned it.

00:22:06.180 Oli was thrilled that he was able to just call everyone a racist, right?

00:22:10.340 This is what he lives for.

00:22:11.720 This is raison d'etre.

00:22:12.740 If Oli doesn't get to call someone a racist during the day,

00:22:15.520 I can imagine he goes to bed angry that night.

00:22:17.720 You know, you can tell he's got a bit of a,

00:22:19.620 I need to go on Twitter.

00:22:21.760 Oh, God, thank God.

00:22:22.620 You're a racist.

00:22:23.740 All right, this is what Oli had to say.

00:22:25.500 I'm going to try and tie a few things together here.

00:22:27.360 Like, Suella is entitled to identify however she likes, right?

00:22:31.220 Identity is a perfect...

00:22:31.900 sorry just no no she's not ollie right she's actually not she's not she's not entitled to

00:22:36.960 identify as like a dog or something she's not entitled to identify as a house she's not

00:22:41.560 entitled to identify as the moon or a cow or anything like that right she's entitled to

00:22:45.920 identify as what she is which is an indian woman called suella braveman that's what she's actually

00:22:50.940 entitled to identify as she's not entitled to identify as a man she can only identify as a

00:22:55.580 woman because that's what she is i'm so sick of this been you know trans everything attitude

00:23:00.700 dude but you can't just identify as whatever you want no maybe he's trying to sort of re-engineer

00:23:05.960 the individual from first principles but uh no no that's literally what he's doing this is

00:23:09.680 exactly the liberal perspective is anyone can just be whatever they choose to be because the

00:23:14.100 freedom of your will above all other things and that's why i mean he's literally like the bloody

00:23:18.440 comic i tweeted this out yesterday that comic where it's just like the guy's like i'm not going

00:23:21.960 to go hunting today i'm you know the white the cave wife goes off hunting she comes back in the

00:23:26.200 evening is like what did you discover so we're being oppressed by nature so yes you are being

00:23:30.380 oppressed by nature because we need to hunt because you were a physical being yeah and nature

00:23:34.800 requires you to anyway let's let ollie make the rest of this stupid statement personal construct

00:23:39.300 for all of us but i'm going to use that as an example and try and try and talk about hope more

00:23:43.220 broadly how we identify and whether or not we're english we're born in england speak english support

00:23:47.220 the english football team might draw on your birthplace your heritage all of these things

00:23:50.220 right but at the end the political function of what she was saying earlier is that you can only

00:23:54.840 be english if you are white and that i i regret to say it that is a racist point of view oh no

00:24:02.200 thank god he finally got there i've got a strange thing now with racist when i hear it i just think

00:24:08.020 you've just said nothing i just hear like that is umbrellas or something or you've just said that's

00:24:11.920 pigeon no it doesn't work in my brain anymore i've got a great and go on he's like what he's

00:24:16.220 saying is that's haram right right if you eat pork that's haram if you drink beer that's haram

00:24:21.920 if you think that ethnic groups exist

00:24:24.340 that's haram

00:24:25.140 and because I don't follow that particular religion

00:24:26.700 it means nothing to me

00:24:27.860 it's actually got to that point in my brain

00:24:29.720 of course it wasn't always like that

00:24:30.680 because I grew up when I grew up

00:24:32.080 but now it's just like

00:24:32.880 they're saying that word again

00:24:34.640 the anything word

00:24:36.160 where they get to like

00:24:37.220 grape thousands of people in my country

00:24:40.440 you know what I mean

00:24:40.940 yeah yeah yeah

00:24:41.460 but he's like that's racist

00:24:43.100 and you can tell that he feels

00:24:44.280 I'm making a big moral point here

00:24:46.620 it's like only that means nothing to me

00:24:48.020 Dan Hodges does it every day on Twitter

00:24:49.380 it's like you've said nothing

00:24:50.840 where's the argument

00:24:51.880 and I think you'll find

00:24:52.820 that's racist

00:24:53.840 checkmate

00:24:54.520 just like lean back

00:24:55.720 it's like

00:24:55.960 you said nothing

00:24:56.860 where's the argument

00:24:57.880 make the case

00:24:58.620 don't just say the magic word

00:25:00.120 that gets you out of everything

00:25:01.220 and that's

00:25:01.860 and that's exactly what it is

00:25:03.200 it's to say

00:25:03.920 what you're doing

00:25:04.420 is stepping out of liberal orthodoxy

00:25:05.980 I can't have this conversation

00:25:07.080 this is a non-liberal conversation

00:25:08.980 checkmate

00:25:09.740 you did the haram thing

00:25:11.680 yeah it's so weird

00:25:12.840 it's so so bizarre

00:25:14.000 and as if

00:25:14.940 as if we're supposed to respect it as well

00:25:16.860 especially because he's saying

00:25:17.480 it's an extra level of absurdity

00:25:19.680 yeah

00:25:19.860 really the Indian woman is racist

00:25:21.580 against herself as she said but you can't be a white guy saying to a person of color that they're

00:25:26.540 racist you think can you you would think in poor taste surely i love that again i'm going to force

00:25:31.160 my identity on you swelter all right just to believe all this and he repeats them i mean of

00:25:35.340 course identity is a personal construct so i have to sort of concede that or i can't have all my

00:25:38.940 trans my god i'm going to force this identity on you yeah so i was like please leave me alone

00:25:43.660 anyway what i like about this though is this is um prescriptive right ollie has turned this into

00:25:50.520 a prescription uh english people have got the uh eternal and immutable guilt of being a white

00:25:56.000 northwestern european people it is not because they are white that they are english because then

00:26:00.740 otherwise all other white people would also be english so there are lots of other white people

00:26:04.360 who are not english ollie why are you so obsessed with the skin color and it's because you can't

00:26:09.580 force swell a braveman to also be english because she's not white so you've you've compressed this

00:26:13.900 down to essentially mean ultimately it is racist to be english yeah and that guy is it john mc

00:26:20.380 McTernan, is that his name?

00:26:21.280 The former Blair advisor.

00:26:22.420 He said the idea of English listening is evil.

00:26:25.560 Yes.

00:26:26.060 They believe it's literally evil.

00:26:27.880 Yes.

00:26:28.500 A McTernan.

00:26:29.820 Yeah, and that's what it ultimately boils down to,

00:26:31.960 is that it's racist to be English.

00:26:33.720 Ollie is basically saying you're saying

00:26:34.680 you can only be English if you're white.

00:26:35.920 Is that your view?

00:26:36.480 Yeah, he's saying that I'm being racist against myself.

00:26:37.900 He's saying your view is that you can only be English

00:26:40.480 if you're white.

00:26:41.240 Is that your view?

00:26:41.880 I'm being racist against myself.

00:26:43.060 I'm not saying that.

00:26:44.080 Hang on, just answer that one question

00:26:45.680 that Ollie put to you, because that's an allegation.

00:26:47.740 By calling everything you disagree with racist,

00:26:49.740 Okay, what he said, just to be clear, hang on, hang on, I'm talking here, Suella, what he said was what you are claiming, and I want to know if you agree with it or disagree, that you can only call yourself English if you're white.

00:27:02.700 Listen, people can call themselves whatever they want. I do not call myself English, because I am British Asian.

00:27:09.980 Do you think you have to be white to be English?

00:27:11.620 No, not at all. I think that there is an English group of people, a Welsh group of people, and there are Scottish people.

00:27:18.600 And we all unite under a unifying idea of Britishness, where we are...

00:27:23.460 Okay, that's a different point.

00:27:25.440 I'm not sure you'd answer.

00:27:26.700 But that is a fair point, because what Soil Braven is saying there is that the prescriptive aspect of the identity is not the colour of the skin.

00:27:34.420 It is the group to which you belong, as in it is something that is actually you feel and engage with.

00:27:40.800 because i mean you know there are english people who are half english and half jamaica or whatever

00:27:45.660 like calvin robinson i'm not going to say that calvin robinson is not english yeah he is english

00:27:49.160 does he have white skin no so it's not that it is prescriptive it is just descriptive that english

00:27:55.380 people in general are white skinned it's just the way that that is yeah well it's a pity they're

00:28:00.860 trying to deny her heritage as you say it doesn't seem very woke but i always end up saying and i've

00:28:05.340 heard people nicklist from me i'm sure i invented it they always end up with two identities and you

00:28:09.080 end up with zero not suella but people like sabana mahoud et al even rishi sunak yeah they're saying

00:28:14.100 i get to keep my thing i'm still going to be you know do a lot of indian stuff which rishi did and

00:28:19.320 i'm going to be celebrated by indians and i can go home to there if i want or where if you go back

00:28:23.960 to the word home even but but then we get nothing because we we must be different because we're not

00:28:29.600 the same as that so you dilute my identity if you want to use that word it means nothing well you

00:28:35.140 You get two and I get zero.

00:28:36.920 In fact, that's the point, right?

00:28:38.520 So afterwards, this subject lived in Oli's head so deeply

00:28:42.720 that he made this video.

00:28:44.220 We're not going to watch all of it,

00:28:45.000 but in the first minute or so,

00:28:46.400 he explains why he's so bothered about this.

00:28:51.120 I was on Question Time last night with Suella Braverman,

00:28:55.180 and she said this.

00:28:56.940 I'm not an English person.

00:28:58.220 I am of Asian origin.

00:29:00.180 I can be born in England.

00:29:01.520 I can support the England football team.

00:29:02.900 Okay.

00:29:03.360 I can love England with all my heart.

00:29:04.680 So just so on.

00:29:06.220 And look, I didn't get a proper chance to respond on the show last night.

00:29:11.020 And so I wanted to say what I would have said here.

00:29:16.280 So, look, first things first.

00:29:18.920 Suella can identify however she likes.

00:29:21.360 Like, that is entirely her right.

00:29:23.200 Identity is a personal construct.

00:29:25.100 We might draw on things like where we were born or where our parents were born

00:29:30.340 or where we feel like we belong, a place that might share our values.

00:29:34.260 but i want to talk about the political function of what suella was saying the logical end point

00:29:41.140 of her argument is that englishness is only an ethnicity and not a national identity

00:29:48.020 and i am afraid to say that you could the idea that you can only be english if you are ethnically

00:29:56.260 is it racist get ready is an exclusionary and racist idea oh there it is one he's won the

00:30:02.500 the argument yeah that's it devastating but that's the point this it's exclusionary you know

00:30:08.240 what's hilarious is she's literally just using the word british where he means where he likes

00:30:12.040 english and that's it because he's saying you know she rules out the cultural aspect she's just using

00:30:16.820 the term british for that so it's all it's a there's not much in it really yeah but it's this

00:30:21.220 exclusionary nature yes you can't change your ethnicity you can't skip you know i'm going to

00:30:26.280 become a different ethnicity today i'll be a different tomorrow maybe i'll be a third one

00:30:30.100 on friday you know like that's just not how it works your ethnicity is something you inherit

00:30:33.920 it can't change and this is just the nature of the thing it is exclusionary fundamentally but

00:30:39.220 that means as he says well that's racist is that okay there's no human without ethnicity

00:30:44.460 every human has ethnicity so what he is saying here is that every human is to be human itself

00:30:50.800 is to be racist that's all he's on well that's great because it's his favorite thing

00:30:55.660 You've got seven billion people to call it racist.

00:30:59.320 That's why he's so quick to do it.

00:31:01.000 He's obsessed with football.

00:31:02.240 He went on to say about the abuse

00:31:04.200 Bakayo Sacco has suffered.

00:31:05.980 And he is quite young.

00:31:06.780 But I say, Google David Beckham 1998

00:31:09.360 and you'll see that people were hanging effigies of him.

00:31:12.720 And he's very, very white.

00:31:14.900 So abuse of footballers is universal.

00:31:17.040 They always like to go to that one.

00:31:18.180 The other thing is, he then says,

00:31:19.920 well, yes, you're saying Bakayo Sacco,

00:31:21.320 who scored a hat-trick for England,

00:31:23.340 is not English.

00:31:24.320 No, sorry, I don't want to live like that.

00:31:25.580 It's like, well, he's got two Nigerian parents,

00:31:27.520 so the existence of Bakayo Saka does not mean

00:31:31.480 that English ethnicity doesn't exist.

00:31:33.720 You're just saying he plays an England football team

00:31:35.340 and you want him to be culturally welcomed or whatever.

00:31:38.980 That's a completely, it's a different point.

00:31:40.320 He's a mercenary, got it.

00:31:42.360 That's what it is.

00:31:43.600 Anyway, we'll leave it there for the sake of time

00:31:45.580 because I went over a bit there.

00:31:46.820 Let's move on.

00:31:48.780 Okay, are you going to read the...

00:31:49.980 Yeah, One Tall Lord says, are Normies retarded?

00:31:52.500 Do people actually fall for this stuff?

00:31:53.720 Well, I don't know.

00:31:54.280 I mean, question time has very low ratings these days,

00:31:56.620 so I'm guessing they're not all that retarded.

00:31:58.860 It used to be really, really well viewed.

00:32:01.300 Doomhound says, cue the violins, gentlemen.

00:32:03.300 The invaders might feel uncomfortable.

00:32:04.580 I know.

00:32:05.540 I know.

00:32:05.880 If these people like immigrants so much,

00:32:07.040 we can deport them as well.

00:32:07.980 Maybe.

00:32:08.380 We'll see what we can do.

00:32:09.560 And getting stabbed on the regular does cause hatred.

00:32:11.780 Yes, indeed.

00:32:14.480 All right.

00:32:15.720 So Labour's immigration crackdown is fake.

00:32:18.700 I'm calling this because Shibana Mahmood is just full of it,

00:32:22.000 and she's playing a kind of 1D chess, I'm calling it,

00:32:24.740 where she pretends that she's being really tough on immigration

00:32:27.420 and then she throws some red meat to the Labour backbench.

00:32:30.920 It turns out mainly all the red meat

00:32:32.440 and she was never going to be tough on immigration at all, really.

00:32:34.660 And she keeps doing this and people keep falling for it.

00:32:36.780 Or maybe they don't, but she keeps getting away with it.

00:32:39.960 So we'll go into why.

00:32:41.800 So at the conference, she made all these weird revelations

00:32:44.840 about things she was going to do.

00:32:47.300 And the main one really was that she's going to reopen this.

00:32:50.960 She's going to import more foreigners.

00:32:52.320 That's the bottom line.

00:32:53.660 The government will reopen the UK resettlement route

00:32:55.780 in partnership with the United Nations.

00:32:57.320 We'll take vulnerable refugees from camps across the world

00:32:59.540 and give them the chance of a new and better life here in Britain

00:33:02.160 with the first arrivals beginning this year.

00:33:04.940 And she's saying one quarter will be Afghan women

00:33:07.420 and girls fleeing persecution and Palestinians

00:33:10.060 who have fled the horrors of Gaza.

00:33:11.780 And of course, there's no way we'll end up with loads of men.

00:33:14.300 It'll just be women and they totally won't bring their families.

00:33:16.380 Well, you know what?

00:33:16.840 If they do, it just feels like it's some sort of

00:33:18.860 goddamn Muslim dating service that she's turning the country into.

00:33:22.000 Getting Afghan women, Palestinian men, match made in heaven.

00:33:26.200 Also, why are the Afghan women our problem?

00:33:28.840 Didn't we fight a war in their country that we lost?

00:33:32.420 But also, sorry, are we saying that women in Pakistan

00:33:35.320 are less oppressed than Afghan women?

00:33:37.780 Aren't they oppressed in exactly the same way?

00:33:40.600 Yeah, it's splitting hairs a little.

00:33:41.840 Yeah, exactly. It's completely splitting hairs.

00:33:43.260 So now every Muslim woman on earth, what about Saudi women?

00:33:46.720 Are they not?

00:33:48.220 Well, let's take them all.

00:33:49.520 I mean Andy Burnham says

00:33:51.160 you're British wherever you're born

00:33:52.520 so I don't know

00:33:53.020 and just take the whole world

00:33:54.060 it really is a justification

00:33:57.440 for imperialism isn't it

00:33:58.840 well that list isn't even working

00:33:59.960 no

00:34:00.800 okay so

00:34:02.520 and we're at the point now

00:34:05.080 where

00:34:05.520 and she announces basically

00:34:06.920 the same thing here

00:34:07.640 in this clip

00:34:08.300 and then people like

00:34:09.460 Alison Pearson

00:34:09.980 were sharing it

00:34:10.880 and I share this

00:34:11.640 because Alison is

00:34:13.060 you know very mainstream

00:34:14.500 she's a Telegraph columnist

00:34:15.880 who has a very popular column

00:34:18.280 and she's saying

00:34:19.420 I hope there'll be retrospective prosecutions

00:34:21.340 of every politician

00:34:22.220 to vast rapid demographic change

00:34:25.420 in our country.

00:34:26.580 That's the spirit, Alison.

00:34:27.620 Yeah.

00:34:28.080 And it's got 15,000 likes.

00:34:29.260 You can just go,

00:34:29.720 this is where we are.

00:34:32.100 This is where the telegraph is.

00:34:34.100 Yeah.

00:34:34.660 Because they've forced us into it.

00:34:36.080 It's extraordinary.

00:34:37.220 But if Restore points that out,

00:34:38.880 we're racist according to the telegraph.

00:34:40.540 We're just slightly ahead of the curve.

00:34:42.100 Yeah.

00:34:42.900 The Alistair Heath wing,

00:34:44.140 there's different bits of the telegraph.

00:34:45.260 Tim Stanley must be bricking it.

00:34:47.980 Yeah.

00:34:48.580 So...

00:34:49.420 And but of course, if you were if you were across this stuff and listening carefully, you knew that this is what she was going to do.

00:34:54.860 Just reminding of this clip, I was already worried in November.

00:34:58.960 And listen to what she said here.

00:35:00.520 We get order and control into the system that we have inherited.

00:35:04.360 These safe and legal routes will become more generous over time.

00:35:07.620 They will start modest. The numbers will be in the low hundreds, but they will grow.

00:35:11.820 And we want them to grow because we want people fleeing sanctuary to be able to find safe harbour here in this country.

00:35:18.620 and we are absolutely proud of that position as a government.

00:35:23.620 This will grow over time.

00:35:25.200 I hope people across the House will support that,

00:35:27.280 but I think we have to get order and control into our system first.

00:35:31.060 Man, this is because Zach Polanski scared the crap out of them from the left.

00:35:36.020 They're doing this because they realise, oh God,

00:35:38.760 Keir Starmer and Shabana Mood look like they're right wing

00:35:41.660 and Zach Polanski was climbing in the polls

00:35:44.100 and now Andy Byrne's takeover is like, no, the left is back in control.

00:35:47.080 the defectors

00:35:48.900 to the Greens

00:35:49.300 can come back

00:35:49.740 to the Labour Party

00:35:50.300 and now they can do

00:35:50.920 all the woke stuff

00:35:51.480 they wanted

00:35:52.020 and make the borders

00:35:52.940 not as they wanted

00:35:53.760 let the Muslims

00:35:54.520 cram in more Muslims

00:35:55.740 to the country

00:35:56.320 she changes

00:35:57.060 depending on whether

00:35:57.780 the Greens or Reform

00:35:59.020 are the main threat

00:35:59.600 that day

00:36:00.020 and the only bit

00:36:01.520 she changes

00:36:02.020 is she said

00:36:03.080 first we want to get

00:36:03.900 order and control

00:36:04.480 so she's ditched that bit

00:36:05.500 and she's going straight

00:36:06.500 for the

00:36:06.840 we want the numbers

00:36:07.860 to grow

00:36:08.180 I mean what a thing

00:36:08.700 to say

00:36:08.880 we want the numbers

00:36:09.360 to grow

00:36:09.580 and this was just

00:36:10.040 after she'd done

00:36:10.580 something

00:36:10.760 surely we'd want

00:36:11.520 no refugees

00:36:12.560 because the world

00:36:13.220 is at peace

00:36:13.740 anyway

00:36:15.680 sorry

00:36:16.520 And Chris Bayless in The Critic explains it well.

00:36:20.180 He explains what I'm calling the 1D chess.

00:36:23.140 So Shabana Mahmood is anything but tough immigration.

00:36:25.780 1D chess, what is it?

00:36:26.680 Just flood the country with immigrants?

00:36:28.320 It's just, yeah, say you're going to do something and you don't.

00:36:30.740 I mean, it's 2D at best.

00:36:33.360 So he said at the conference she demonstrated once again her position.

00:36:38.680 So she made inconclusive remarks about her proposed reforms,

00:36:42.800 lengthening the waiting period of indefinite leave to remain

00:36:45.060 in most circumstances

00:36:46.100 from five to ten years

00:36:47.080 a change she's done

00:36:47.820 precisely nothing to implement

00:36:49.040 since she mooted it a year ago

00:36:50.300 point

00:36:50.600 but she said

00:36:51.720 very good point

00:36:52.240 said that whatever was done

00:36:53.380 would need to balance fairness

00:36:54.520 so just complete

00:36:55.280 nothing he was

00:36:56.360 she also reiterated

00:36:57.480 her community sponsorship

00:36:58.460 policy for refugees

00:36:59.420 and added that she would

00:37:00.460 reopen the UK resettlement route

00:37:02.320 UKRR

00:37:03.060 for refugees

00:37:03.880 which had effectively

00:37:04.560 been suspended

00:37:05.200 since December 2024

00:37:06.380 yeah so

00:37:06.960 Care for Calais

00:37:07.900 and all the other

00:37:08.460 bloody migrant NGOs

00:37:09.620 can funnel more foreigners

00:37:11.600 into the country

00:37:12.420 using

00:37:13.180 basically like a handshake

00:37:14.860 with the government is mad it's it's interesting actually to contrast the pro-immigration discourse

00:37:19.920 on the other side of the atlantic to here because we talk about it in far more cynical terms

00:37:25.340 whereas they're talking about it like we're going to get the best and brightest we're going to be

00:37:29.020 competitive america's going to win we're talking about but we know when i'm getting the best we

00:37:33.080 can mop up all these dregs we get we can get the worst and most deplorable in our country

00:37:38.880 we're not even talking about it like it's an asset to our country like the palestinians really are

00:37:43.620 the worst as well like the terrorism everywhere they go everywhere they go so they're asked when

00:37:50.260 you need them yeah yeah here's the one the chess explained Mahmood's modus operandi can be roughly

00:37:54.820 approximated as follows she tends to trail suggestions in the press a few days before an

00:37:58.940 initial announcement suggesting that she's going to do something restrictive on immigration or

00:38:02.800 border policy then comes the announcement itself onto which is tacked some nonsensical aggravating

00:38:07.140 detail designed to antagonize labor backbenchers in her may november announcement last year this

00:38:12.680 was the suggestion that illegal immigrants would have valuables and jewellery confiscated to pay

00:38:16.700 for their hotel bills remember that this prompts a period of hysteria in which uh the right of

00:38:21.720 center politicians and commentators are drawn into mocking the backlash or even defending the

00:38:25.520 home secretary from the ensuing left-wing meltdown this distracts them from reading the small print

00:38:29.980 of her announcements i'm gonna lie that happened to me that happened to me it was awful what do

00:38:34.360 you mean i was like well she's more right-wing oh yeah yeah any of the conservative home secretary

00:38:38.920 and that's why i said that tweet in november i was like okay yeah she's saying this but then

00:38:41.980 why is she talking about

00:38:42.760 we want the numbers to grow

00:38:44.100 yeah

00:38:44.700 and even Kemi Bainock

00:38:45.680 said like

00:38:46.020 oh yeah

00:38:46.360 Sibana seems

00:38:48.580 relatively alright

00:38:49.500 and she's changed her mind

00:38:50.760 no no no

00:38:51.400 it's all lies

00:38:52.300 lies lies lies

00:38:53.100 I mean

00:38:53.720 you know

00:38:54.280 she had a grace period

00:38:55.080 to actually do some of these things

00:38:56.420 she did nothing

00:38:56.900 she's actually going to make it much worse

00:38:59.420 after a suitable period has elapsed

00:39:00.640 she begins a period of bargaining

00:39:02.280 with the left

00:39:02.780 this entails the announcement

00:39:03.620 of a liberalisation or softening

00:39:04.960 usually framed as a humanitarian

00:39:06.080 intervention for refugees

00:39:07.500 rather than walking back

00:39:08.440 her proposals

00:39:08.920 on settlement or deportations

00:39:11.540 Commentators, especially those right of centre,

00:39:13.060 confuse this for her being robust.

00:39:14.760 In reality, she does it so she retains something

00:39:16.520 in her back pocket against which she barters with the left.

00:39:19.260 It's playing both sides, basically, isn't it?

00:39:21.400 Yeah.

00:39:21.680 And it's not that it's not smart politics.

00:39:23.520 Well, he says it's basically going back to,

00:39:26.100 oh yeah, maybe I got it from here,

00:39:27.420 because he says it's not 4D chess,

00:39:28.440 it's just old-fashioned politics.

00:39:29.760 Yeah.

00:39:30.180 It was normal when it was Stanley Baldwin and Dennis.

00:39:32.280 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:33.100 It's not that it's not smart politics.

00:39:34.760 It's just really, really transparent.

00:39:36.500 You're terrified by the Greens.

00:39:38.000 Andy Burnham gives you permission

00:39:39.180 to be more left-wing than Starmer did.

00:39:40.860 which gives you a bigger club against your own left in the Labour Party

00:39:44.360 so you can keep your coalition together

00:39:46.600 and still flood the country with foreigners.

00:39:49.560 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:51.060 And you've pacified the Conservatives.

00:39:54.260 And what's quite interesting is, he points out here,

00:39:57.920 if public concern about the subject...

00:40:00.060 So Mammu's political viability rests on immigration remaining a contentious issue.

00:40:05.160 I think that's going to go away.

00:40:06.280 Right, both nationally and within the Labour Party.

00:40:08.200 If public concern about the subject were to fall off,

00:40:10.300 Or if Labour backbenchers were to be reconciled with far tougher measures, then there'd be no role for her.

00:40:15.660 She keeps her job because of her deafness, relatively speaking, in triangulating and the degree of plausibility she affords the PM on the subject.

00:40:22.080 And Jonathan Hinder has a clip I'll show later maybe, but it's where he says we would take out reform if we could just not be idiots on immigration.

00:40:28.760 I'm paraphrasing.

00:40:29.600 It's true.

00:40:30.140 But it would also take out Mahmood.

00:40:31.780 And if Labour just weren't such idiots, it wouldn't exist.

00:40:34.420 But they are ideologically obsessed.

00:40:36.060 I mean, literally, Andy Burnham said it the other day.

00:40:38.000 so we want a Britain for everyone

00:40:39.680 wherever they're born

00:40:40.680 and it's no why Britain for the whole world

00:40:44.040 yeah he literally said it

00:40:45.200 Britain for the Inuit

00:40:46.200 I remember hearing that live

00:40:47.620 it's like that doesn't make any sense

00:40:50.500 it ceases to be a nation if it's for everyone

00:40:52.420 no matter where you're born in the world

00:40:53.680 I want Britain to be for you

00:40:54.560 it's like I just don't think we've got the space

00:40:57.580 nation states are predicated on their exclusivity

00:41:00.320 otherwise they cease to exist

00:41:02.260 so he talks about how it's this usual cycle of outrage

00:41:04.880 then she rolls it back

00:41:05.920 and she retains this no-nonsense reputation

00:41:09.180 and she's in a parasocial relationship with the left

00:41:11.040 in which she feeds off their anger,

00:41:12.660 which is a great way of putting it.

00:41:14.680 But then when we look at actually what the policies entail,

00:41:17.160 so reopening the UKRR will depend what cap they set on it.

00:41:21.540 This was, of course, introduced under Theresa May.

00:41:23.860 Most evils can be traced back to Theresa May's government, weirdly.

00:41:26.660 She got off quite lightly in terms of her reputation,

00:41:29.760 whereas actually a lot of the evils of today

00:41:32.040 can be traced back to Theresa May.

00:41:33.840 It's because everyone's focused on Brexit.

00:41:35.480 Everyone's focused on Brexit.

00:41:36.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:37.280 We were talking about DEI and the police.

00:41:38.540 It was like, and Theresa May brought us in.

00:41:39.640 I'm like, how come every topic I do

00:41:40.920 is Theresa May's government?

00:41:42.220 And yet she was seen as weak on Brexit

00:41:43.760 and not a good debater.

00:41:45.800 And it's like, but then she was doing

00:41:47.360 all this woke stuff in the background.

00:41:49.420 And then, of course, its implementation was delayed

00:41:53.180 and was implemented under Boris Johnson's government,

00:41:55.220 the other big villain.

00:41:56.600 And this replaced earlier settlement routes

00:41:58.600 and allowed the UNHCR, the refugee thing in the EU,

00:42:03.680 in the UN, sorry, what's it called?

00:42:05.560 The Refugee Agency of the UN

00:42:06.760 to send displaced people from camps

00:42:08.740 in third countries on to Britain.

00:42:10.260 However, the numbers were previously fairly small

00:42:11.980 around 3,750 between 2021 and 2024

00:42:15.600 and it was effectively suspended

00:42:16.880 when Yvette Cooper declined to set a new cap in 2025.

00:42:21.320 East Yvette Cooper?

00:42:22.460 Yeah, with hindsight it appears

00:42:23.480 this was a result of pressure

00:42:24.720 of absorbing and housing those

00:42:26.480 who were then arriving

00:42:27.420 under the Afghan resettlement programme.

00:42:29.600 Sorry, he was housing Jenrick's Afghans.

00:42:31.820 Yeah, so it's unclear

00:42:32.700 whether Mahmoud attends to restart this on the similar numbers, or if she's plans for it to be

00:42:36.700 much more substantial, because she hasn't told us basically. So she's specified at least a quarter

00:42:42.000 of the places under this UKRR will be guaranteed for women and girls from Afghanistan, as we saw.

00:42:47.680 But given the UNHCR will typically refer to a nuclear family together, we can assume that the

00:42:53.700 overwhelming majority of the arrivals are to be Palestinians or Afghans. And this is the key as

00:42:58.720 Well, meanwhile, she's not specified

00:43:00.580 whether there'll be family reunification provisions,

00:43:03.020 so they'll bring their whole families over, basically.

00:43:04.840 How are they going to say no to it?

00:43:06.380 What would be the argument?

00:43:07.540 Right.

00:43:08.820 Right.

00:43:09.640 That's the thing.

00:43:11.760 What is all...

00:43:12.520 Remember as well, this is a good example of the woman from Gaza

00:43:16.000 who won the right for 18 members of extended family to join her

00:43:20.200 under the ECHR Article 8.

00:43:22.480 So this is the kind of thing that will be exploited.

00:43:24.160 I couldn't think of moving somewhere else

00:43:26.480 and then bringing 18 of my family members.

00:43:29.200 I'd start running out of family members

00:43:30.640 just like, maybe I won't bring them.

00:43:32.800 You'd be amazed.

00:43:33.520 If you had 18, I can't think of 18.

00:43:35.840 I do, but I've got quite a large extended cousin family.

00:43:39.820 So do I.

00:43:40.040 So I'd be all my cousins.

00:43:40.980 Your mixed heritage.

00:43:41.880 Well, no.

00:43:43.440 The Welsh, I meant.

00:43:46.420 I don't think you can get to sight too.

00:43:48.220 Just kidding.

00:43:49.820 But seriously, I'd have to start bringing all of my cousins.

00:43:52.740 And that must be what she's doing.

00:43:55.680 The whole thing's mad to me, going to another country

00:43:57.280 and then trying to abuse it and make it into the country I left

00:44:00.240 and bring on my family.

00:44:00.940 It's all so alien to me.

00:44:02.160 But in addition to the UKRR, Mahmood has announced

00:44:04.680 two new named sponsorship routes under which legally registered NGOs

00:44:08.040 and universities will be able to sponsor individual refugees.

00:44:11.180 The NGOs will include community groups, religious institutions,

00:44:14.060 and other charities.

00:44:15.460 I mean, this is genuinely turning the immigration system into a machine

00:44:19.960 because all these people do all day every day

00:44:23.000 is manipulate the law and do whatever they can

00:44:26.320 to get foreigners into the country.

00:44:28.140 And if the government's like,

00:44:28.860 okay, well, we're just going to work with you

00:44:30.220 to help you do that,

00:44:32.320 then it's just going to be piling people in.

00:44:33.920 We're going to get the Mahmood wave.

00:44:36.160 There's going to be a Mahmood wave, almost certainly.

00:44:38.520 100%.

00:44:39.000 Beginning this year.

00:44:41.140 What's striking about community sponsorship route

00:44:42.680 and university route is quite how much detail

00:44:44.280 is currently being left out.

00:44:45.680 We have literally no idea how many people

00:44:47.000 will be allowed to enter the country

00:44:48.060 under the sponsorship route.

00:44:50.360 So that's a concern, obviously, as well.

00:44:52.820 she doesn't really tell us anything um and he says what seems most likely to happen under the

00:44:58.700 model is that existing diaspora populations in britain we use their community organizations and

00:45:02.880 there are many many thousands of associations and community groups formed around specific

00:45:06.460 national religious or ethnic groups across the country to facilitate the arrival of those to

00:45:10.680 whom they're connected i mean there are literally yeah tens of thousands of these that's the thing

00:45:16.540 it's a whole industry as you say it's going to be a whole machine in the same way as the um the

00:45:20.820 you know the little pop-up foreign businesses sponsoring skilled workers whereas like here's

00:45:26.900 a petrol station that has like 15 employees seven of them are like you know data scientists or

00:45:33.120 something you're just like okay this is obviously bollocks yeah it's obviously bollocks like why

00:45:37.400 does why does the little local takeaway have 13 skilled worker visas well there are even things

00:45:44.240 like vape shops and just retail that can sponsor visas and at what point do we say i'm an off

00:45:50.480 license i need a skilled visa yeah shut up yeah why are we doing that yeah like it's madness and

00:45:57.220 and they're going to get money as well as refugees they'll enjoy recourse to public funds which can

00:46:01.040 only we can only presume means they'll be entitled to universal credit sponsorship will mean housing

00:46:04.980 the arrivals but doesn't say anything about ensuring they have an income they will also

00:46:08.200 automatically come in a week won't it right they'll come in on a five-year pathway to indefinite leave

00:46:12.820 to remain and with it the right to sponsor their own family visas so perpetuates itself i mean

00:46:18.340 trying to look for a positive here by by throwing in all of this nonsense it makes the case

00:46:25.920 for repealing the whole lot of it just saying actually indefinitely to remain um the entire

00:46:31.940 asylum system we don't need a system if we want to us if we want to offer someone asylum we could

00:46:37.440 just do it we don't have to have like you know an enunciated scheme of rights and obligations

00:46:43.460 no we can just do it if we want and we don't have to do if we don't want also why are we

00:46:47.660 We can set it up to operate in a way whereby people apply

00:46:51.900 and we have to say yes or no.

00:46:53.700 Surely if it were a legitimate asylum system.

00:46:56.700 We would offer.

00:46:57.440 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:58.940 Pretty key paragraph here.

00:47:00.420 How on earth any of these three routes are supposed to reduce the rate

00:47:04.240 at which people cross the channel illegally,

00:47:06.500 which is, lest we forget, the stated aim of safe and legal routes,

00:47:09.100 is anybody's guess.

00:47:10.160 Well, it's going to stop it from being illegal

00:47:11.460 and it's going to make it legal.

00:47:12.480 Right.

00:47:13.080 That's the way.

00:47:14.060 Yeah, well, that's...

00:47:14.920 Yeah, the UKRR will apply to those who have already presented

00:47:17.680 and displaced at UNHCR.

00:47:19.400 The community sponsorship route will require connections

00:47:21.600 already in the UK, and the university's channel

00:47:24.060 will require the wherewithal to pass a university admissions test.

00:47:26.920 None of these would seem to apply to the people

00:47:28.360 who turn up on the beaches in northern France.

00:47:30.460 So they decided to stop the boats.

00:47:31.820 We're going to bring in all these refugees

00:47:33.700 using all these different schemes.

00:47:35.220 How's that going to stop the boats?

00:47:36.160 Sorry, best I can do is infinity my refugees.

00:47:39.380 What? We were supposed to be stopping boats?

00:47:41.380 It's so funny.

00:47:41.760 The problem as well is their method of arrival into the UK.

00:47:45.380 It's that they're here at all.

00:47:46.400 Yeah, it's not that they've got a boat.

00:47:48.680 I mean, in many ways, getting on a dinghy and going across the channel

00:47:52.780 is more difficult than getting a plane.

00:47:54.660 So at least it's somewhat more respectable.

00:47:57.040 He's saying these things don't even apply to them anyway.

00:47:59.160 So it's not even about settling them.

00:48:00.460 It's about just settling loads of other people

00:48:02.240 while doing nothing about the boats.

00:48:04.520 So we're almost there anyway.

00:48:06.520 It's pretty bleak.

00:48:07.560 Shabana Moon is essentially hinting to Labour backbench as an activist

00:48:09.920 that she would give them the thing they seem to want above all,

00:48:12.700 a route into the country for random people

00:48:14.300 with no good reason to be here

00:48:15.540 under any of our existing visa streams,

00:48:17.600 as well as a means by which

00:48:18.540 first and second generation immigrants

00:48:19.800 can import their extended families

00:48:21.080 by classifying them as refugees.

00:48:23.080 They can also have some Gazans and Afghans

00:48:25.000 thrown in for good measure.

00:48:26.280 Perhaps this will initially only amount to a few thousand people,

00:48:28.460 or perhaps it'll be a second Boris wave

00:48:29.840 for the sort of people

00:48:30.620 who wouldn't have qualified the first time around.

00:48:32.860 She'll let us know at some point.

00:48:34.360 That's a horrifying thought,

00:48:35.740 that the Boris wave was somehow to a higher standard.

00:48:38.220 Relatively skilled.

00:48:38.960 yeah yeah they were the cream i mean yes we'll get a lower grade boris wave a lower quality

00:48:44.600 even more dangerous afghan boris wave i didn't even know that was physically possible yeah well

00:48:50.480 humanly possible no no no but yeah that's exactly right i mean like at least at the moment the

00:48:55.080 boris wave are doing things like deliveroo stabbing each other yeah healing yeah but like

00:49:03.160 yeah we didn't expect that we'd just literally scrape up the underclass the lumpen proletariat

00:49:08.960 of the third world

00:49:10.240 the delivery

00:49:11.100 of the third world

00:49:11.600 is going to be saying

00:49:12.000 who are these new

00:49:12.620 migrants by the way

00:49:13.640 they're not doing anything

00:49:14.480 send them back

00:49:15.600 you know what they're called

00:49:16.060 they're called them freshies

00:49:16.940 really fresh off the boat

00:49:18.320 that's true yeah

00:49:19.080 it's like

00:49:20.060 they've even got

00:49:21.020 a

00:49:21.780 disdainful name

00:49:23.760 for their own

00:49:24.980 like co-ethnics

00:49:25.820 that have just arrived

00:49:26.600 well because

00:49:27.320 it's because like

00:49:28.100 the London gangs

00:49:29.720 the black London gangs

00:49:31.220 are actually more afraid

00:49:32.240 of the

00:49:32.620 the fresh

00:49:33.700 immigrants

00:49:34.900 because they're

00:49:35.940 more unhinged

00:49:36.920 than they are

00:49:37.460 they've been

00:49:38.360 somewhat domesticated.

00:49:39.760 I bet third world countries

00:49:41.060 are just turfing out

00:49:41.760 their prisons at this point.

00:49:43.400 Terrifying.

00:49:44.720 Presumably we'll be treated

00:49:45.840 to another tough sounding

00:49:46.840 statement from Mood

00:49:47.500 at the dispatch box

00:49:48.360 at some point in the autumn

00:49:49.220 probably as Burnham

00:49:49.980 is coming under pressure

00:49:51.040 after the budget

00:49:52.100 and so he ends up saying

00:49:53.380 despite all we've heard

00:49:54.840 about how Labour and the left

00:49:56.000 fear the rise of populism

00:49:57.280 and the risk it poses

00:49:58.440 to everything they so

00:49:59.200 painstakingly built

00:50:00.360 over the last century

00:50:01.080 there is no other objective

00:50:02.540 they rank as highly

00:50:03.300 as bringing more people

00:50:04.240 from overseas

00:50:04.840 into the country

00:50:05.560 simply as a matter of principle.

00:50:07.700 It's true.

00:50:07.880 It's an appetite that will never be satisfied.

00:50:10.340 Neither the drip feed of stories of brutal sexual assaults,

00:50:12.900 nor the prospect of villages in the home counties seceding from the country,

00:50:16.240 will deter them.

00:50:17.260 There's no prospect at all of the matter being addressed while they're in power.

00:50:20.820 Those on the right still giving Mahmood's tough talk at the time of day

00:50:23.100 urgently need to wake up.

00:50:24.280 All right, well, I agree.

00:50:25.780 I've been called out by this guy from The Critic,

00:50:27.880 but I agree with him.

00:50:28.940 He's correct.

00:50:29.640 That's why I said here,

00:50:30.440 the left can't give an inch on the hatred of white people in the West,

00:50:32.840 because that's their core belief.

00:50:33.740 Because if they were just logical,

00:50:36.080 they would want to win all the elections

00:50:37.460 by kneecapping reform on immigration.

00:50:40.160 But as Hinder points out, they don't.

00:50:41.740 If we sorted out the immigration issue,

00:50:44.540 we didn't have the illegal migration

00:50:46.600 and we really got a grip on legal migration.

00:50:49.760 And I've talked about having a rough balance

00:50:51.280 between in and out.

00:50:52.700 What would reform have left?

00:50:54.620 They'd have nothing.

00:50:55.520 There's no political economy there.

00:50:57.000 I mean, they're kind of right-wing,

00:50:59.300 probably more towards the kind of libertarian side

00:51:01.700 on the economics.

00:51:03.040 They're not crying out for that in Pendle and Clitheroe.

00:51:04.860 But they do want their borders controlled and people who feel like they stand up for the national interest.

00:51:11.640 And they haven't seen enough of that from Labour.

00:51:14.100 So unless we grapple with this immigration issue, then those working class voters are still going to be unsure whether Labour is the party for them.

00:51:22.180 There you go. So he's like the one sensible Labour guy.

00:51:24.960 Logically, you'd say, yeah, Labour, a lot of the country is instinctively left on economics and nationalising things.

00:51:30.120 if they therefore could solve the immigration problem

00:51:32.420 or at least tackle it a bit

00:51:34.080 they would take out

00:51:36.640 a lot of reforms raised on desperate

00:51:38.320 but they can't because it's their

00:51:39.660 it is the ideology, it is everything to them, it's the core tenet

00:51:42.800 It's literally the purpose of everything

00:51:44.520 they do, turn the English into a minority

00:51:46.780 in England

00:51:47.320 If we could just quickly bring up the other article

00:51:50.300 with the graphs

00:51:51.200 I've got some graphs for you

00:51:53.920 I've loaded this separately

00:51:55.880 This is just a quick piece on

00:51:57.340 do Labour voters actually

00:51:59.620 want immigration or not

00:52:01.520 because the Mamou's obsessed with it

00:52:02.720 but is it just the backbenchers?

00:52:04.260 So this here says

00:52:05.080 that they've turned on a bit

00:52:06.020 so almost half

00:52:07.200 44% of 2024 Labour voters

00:52:09.300 are dissatisfied

00:52:09.940 with the government's handling

00:52:10.740 of immigration and asylum

00:52:11.680 according to a YouGov survey

00:52:13.080 of more than 3,000 people

00:52:14.940 and this is not right

00:52:15.780 with propaganda

00:52:16.120 this comes from the Fabian Society

00:52:17.580 of all people

00:52:18.160 who commissioned this

00:52:19.300 so let's be very very

00:52:20.860 yeah yeah

00:52:21.660 and even they found

00:52:22.720 that a lot of them

00:52:23.240 are against it

00:52:23.820 now of course

00:52:24.800 there's a lot of

00:52:25.300 there's some idiots

00:52:25.840 in there as well

00:52:26.540 which should be

00:52:27.300 the following main principle

00:52:28.420 of how the government

00:52:29.140 should manage the migration system.

00:52:30.840 Yeah.

00:52:31.120 50, what was it?

00:52:32.420 Stop illegal immigration

00:52:33.640 and remove people

00:52:34.400 with no right to remain.

00:52:35.780 That's only 21% of Labour voters.

00:52:39.120 So it was the majority in this.

00:52:40.460 That's more than any other group.

00:52:42.260 The others,

00:52:43.000 the 17% is that they say

00:52:45.720 they should assimilate, basically.

00:52:47.400 Yeah.

00:52:48.100 And the 14% thinks it's important.

00:52:50.860 Britain remains a place of sanctuary,

00:52:53.500 which is hilarious.

00:52:54.140 So only 14% of Labour voters

00:52:56.000 actually adopt the affirmative opinion

00:52:58.480 that Shabana Mahmood has about bringing people here

00:53:01.900 because we're generous.

00:53:03.560 Absolutely.

00:53:04.100 So even though it's only 21%, it is the majority in this,

00:53:07.860 say that we want to stop illegal immigration,

00:53:11.520 and Labour won't even do that.

00:53:13.420 And what is this, 17% that people coming by

00:53:15.820 by British values and laws, 14% total sanctuary for everyone,

00:53:20.400 and then reform us 56% stop illegal migration,

00:53:24.680 and it has this significantly reduced overall immigration.

00:53:29.680 I like to think of that 48% of Labour voters

00:53:31.820 are like other, are really right wing.

00:53:34.840 It's so right wing, oh no, no, no, no.

00:53:36.740 Or didn't dare say in case someone found out.

00:53:39.300 Or didn't dare tell anyone.

00:53:41.460 Liquidate all of the migrants.

00:53:42.960 What's funny is in the reform graph,

00:53:44.080 you'll notice there isn't even this category at all.

00:53:46.020 No.

00:53:46.340 That they should remain a safe place of sanctuary

00:53:48.380 for people fleeing war.

00:53:49.840 But you see, yeah, even with that 21,

00:53:51.000 so even Labour voters, as mad as they are,

00:53:52.780 they still want something more robust

00:53:55.260 than Shabana Mahmood is even

00:53:57.340 offering. So if they wanted to even impress

00:53:59.480 their own voters, they would be more robust, but

00:54:01.340 they can't, because they're ideologically deranged

00:54:03.580 and they can't take this even

00:54:05.420 alleged middle ground. How could half

00:54:07.500 of the people they asked for be asking for

00:54:09.420 something other, and it not become

00:54:11.460 a named category? I was

00:54:13.380 thinking how bad that polling is.

00:54:15.700 You'd love as well.

00:54:16.940 Well, yeah, but what is being concealed

00:54:19.240 in the other category here?

00:54:21.080 because there must be

00:54:22.260 like you know

00:54:22.960 a good sort of

00:54:23.420 30% of them

00:54:23.980 just say I want

00:54:24.400 all the migrants

00:54:25.040 deported

00:54:25.500 I bet 30%

00:54:27.200 like just I want

00:54:28.000 them all gone

00:54:28.520 you know

00:54:29.300 and the Fabians

00:54:30.280 are like

00:54:30.580 we'll call that

00:54:32.840 other

00:54:33.040 because it's

00:54:33.460 48%

00:54:34.420 of Labour

00:54:34.740 you highlight it

00:54:35.320 does it say

00:54:35.800 remigration

00:54:36.640 yeah

00:54:37.200 exactly

00:54:37.700 now millions

00:54:38.620 must go

00:54:39.160 we don't care

00:54:41.320 what half of

00:54:41.860 Labour voters

00:54:42.280 think

00:54:42.500 we want to

00:54:43.080 talk about

00:54:43.360 the Labour voters

00:54:43.900 who stay on

00:54:44.400 the plantation

00:54:44.980 please

00:54:45.500 the Fabian

00:54:46.640 research manager

00:54:47.860 summarises

00:54:48.560 many of the

00:54:48.920 people who

00:54:49.160 voted Labour

00:54:49.520 in 2024

00:54:50.300 for are unhappy with how immigration is being handled. But that does not mean they're asking

00:54:53.660 for the same things as reform voters. They want control, they want the rules enforced,

00:54:57.020 and they expect people who come to Britain to contribute. But only a small minority makes

00:55:00.440 significantly reducing overall immigration their top priority, which is disturbing. But fair enough,

00:55:05.120 there's a substantial middle ground on immigration whereby voters who want control clear rules and

00:55:09.220 contribution without judging success simply by how low the headline net migration number

00:55:12.940 can be driven. And this is what Mahmood is still not even offering. Not even this moderate middle

00:55:18.280 ground but seriously though like this this this 48% really does bother me because no no but was

00:55:25.400 it last year or earlier this year you go did a survey and 44% of the people surveyed said I don't

00:55:30.760 want any more immigration I want millions of them to go home right do you think this is not going to

00:55:34.900 be sort of like the average opinion in the labor north like and so they've oh you know no people

00:55:39.720 want control it's like I don't know man I'm really interested in what this 48% had to say about

00:55:44.560 immigration especially is stop illegal immigration is the most right-wing position you've actually

00:55:49.600 polled for maybe the 48 said pop the dinghies and they shoot the boat legally well but even

00:55:59.220 accepting that there is still this slight majority for stopping legal migration so they can't do it

00:56:04.280 and they won't do it even if their own voters want it because these backbench ideologues just

00:56:08.640 want to destroy the whole country and the west end all right let's move on um shabana mahoud's

00:56:16.760 bringing her cousins but to be fair she is married oh no not shabana that was the other the other

00:56:20.500 woman sorry intentional diss yeah i mean well shabana mahoud weirdly uh is actually really

00:56:26.320 unusual for a muslim woman because she's unmarried and has no children so i don't really unusual yeah

00:56:31.800 yeah yeah well exactly right but i don't want an unmarried childless woman being in charge of

00:56:38.300 anything in my country well no you had me at woman well sure but like at least like the child

00:56:46.120 the childless thing slightly bothers me i'm triggered because who cares about england more

00:56:50.060 than me no one and yet i'm childless are you childless well for now either way you don't

00:56:55.320 have a direct invested stake in it even if you care about it like the actual consequences you

00:57:00.680 can still be like well i guess i've got two uh nephews and a niece okay that's a start but it's

00:57:05.980 not your own children i don't totally agree with that because i think i know lots of normies not

00:57:10.820 lots but some from my football team and things who are so blase about the future of the country like

00:57:14.360 oh places change over time i'm like your children and especially their grandchildren are going to

00:57:18.720 be a hated minority whereas i'm like are you not worried about this guys with no children so i'm

00:57:23.500 just saying i'm not saying that normies aren't retarded i'm just saying the the care about the

00:57:28.020 future of one's country doesn't necessarily map onto no but it's it's usually quite a good

00:57:33.660 indicator especially if you're going to get someone in politics it's really weird to have

00:57:37.460 childless politicians up until like the turn of the like 20 30 years ago you would never have had

00:57:41.920 a childless politician it's really unusual and so it's the fact that it's completely normal all

00:57:46.760 across europe now really bothers me anyway let's let's move on sure so for once i'm actually going

00:57:53.740 to talk about a solution to something and this is something that you should be showing to your

00:57:58.060 boomer parents maybe your boomer grandparents or just some boomers on the street that you walk

00:58:02.500 past, show them the video, put it in their face, and show them the reality of the situation

00:58:08.380 that young people, and just working people in general, you don't even have to be that

00:58:12.180 young anymore to get caught up in this face.

00:58:16.760 Because a lot of people have their heads in the sand about the nature of the problems

00:58:21.360 facing us.

00:58:22.360 What I'm going to be talking about today is the paper I wrote for Restore Britain talking

00:58:27.080 about abolishing student loan interest, which is one of the ways in which we can alleviate

00:58:32.380 the problems facing basically the working people of this country today and um let's go okay i think

00:58:41.880 i skipped over but so what i did here in the introduction was just outline um all of the

00:58:49.280 different ways in which things are rubbish economically yeah for people of my age younger

00:58:54.900 and a bit older and um no one questions it we don't need to relitigate that bit yeah um you

00:59:02.080 want me to skip over it i mean we a little bit about because there are some alarming sorry yeah

00:59:06.200 yeah okay yeah no go sorry i didn't realize you were going to i i thought that you weren't going

00:59:09.840 to so that's why everyone knows but if you want to go ever so briefly because the difference needs

00:59:15.680 to be stated right um so in 1970 britain's house price to earnings ratio was approximately 3.25

00:59:22.640 meaning that the typical house um costs the equivalent around 2 3.25 times the annual

00:59:28.740 earnings of a typical worker. I did a calculation of this in 1992 as well. It was only four times

00:59:34.720 in 1992. Yeah, it didn't change that much until recent times. So now I think the figure is for

00:59:42.820 2025. The median home in England costs £300,000 compared with the median full-time annual earnings

00:59:49.960 of 39,300, producing an affordability ratio of 7.6. In Wales, it's 6. In London, it's

00:59:58.360 10.6. And our very own government and the Office for National Statistics view the threshold

01:00:05.980 for unaffordability to be five times. So Wales, England, probably parts of Scotland, basically

01:00:12.940 the entire United Kingdom, houses are now regarded by our own government as not being

01:00:18.020 affordable what so why do they say it's five times when you have 7.6 as in that's the threshold that

01:00:24.640 they say okay this starts to become a significant oh sorry okay yeah 10.6 in london is is shocking

01:00:31.080 and also by the way and like the can we get a tweet the house when you actually see the house

01:00:35.880 that's 300 000 or that costs 10.6 times it's like terrest house on a street you know it's like

01:00:41.060 it's like a former council house built in the 70s or 80s that you know people would have been a bit

01:00:46.960 upset about getting back then let alone today and one of the things that really shocked me was

01:00:53.120 this as well just the level of competition for graduate employment on top of this

01:00:59.200 so for every graduate vacancy in 2025 employers received an average of 140 applications

01:01:07.840 so you've got to be better than 139 different people for every job you apply to

01:01:13.980 that's crazy

01:01:14.880 don't put John Smith

01:01:16.000 on the form

01:01:16.860 put you know

01:01:18.200 Mikayo Saka

01:01:19.280 or something

01:01:19.640 because you've got

01:01:20.900 DEI against you as well

01:01:22.120 and you get hired

01:01:23.320 by a football club

01:01:24.160 and get paid

01:01:24.800 hundreds of thousands

01:01:25.780 maybe don't use

01:01:26.260 that exact name

01:01:26.900 but you know what I mean

01:01:27.340 I'd still mess up

01:01:28.300 the penalty kick though

01:01:29.220 anything other than

01:01:31.280 a straight white man

01:01:32.640 there's me standing there

01:01:34.580 while Oli's like

01:01:35.480 look what they did

01:01:36.400 to this poor African guy

01:01:37.640 and I was like

01:01:38.120 yeah thanks Oli

01:01:39.100 sorry Karen

01:01:39.620 but in some industries

01:01:42.460 as well

01:01:42.920 it's as many as

01:01:43.780 290 applications

01:01:45.860 per vacancy and

01:01:48.040 yeah and

01:01:49.500 it also goes the same for earnings

01:01:51.960 as well and then the 19...

01:01:53.360 Just quickly on that, didn't they find the other day that in the last

01:01:55.920 five years out of, I don't know, how many

01:01:57.680 tens of thousands of jobs, only like

01:01:59.920 one in 28 had gone to a young

01:02:02.060 person in Britain, a British

01:02:04.060 I think I saw that same thing

01:02:05.660 27 went to young foreigners

01:02:07.560 It should move to the right of politics

01:02:09.940 the competition goes way down

01:02:11.320 Most people aren't prepared to be associated with it.

01:02:15.280 And that's been my tactic anyway.

01:02:17.140 Go on, sorry.

01:02:18.000 But the final thing I was going to say about just the situation that young people face

01:02:22.160 is that earnings have just gone down more generally.

01:02:29.180 So in the late 1980s, I think they were earning, what was it,

01:02:34.100 8% less at age 30 than Generation X, born about a decade earlier.

01:02:40.340 so that's the millennial generation born in the late 80s to 90s sorry so that's what 10 percent

01:02:48.060 difference from just a generation before um which considering things are meant to be growing and the

01:02:55.920 cost of living is growing and then actually your salary is not growing and then you add on top of

01:03:02.680 that um student loans as well um which you know it's six percent of your income above a certain

01:03:09.640 threshold and nine percent above another threshold if you've done a postgrad which is quite punitive

01:03:15.480 that's 15 of your income above about 20 000 pounds just going like that which it is it realistically

01:03:23.860 amounts to somewhere between 300 to 600 pounds depending on your salary um each month coming

01:03:30.540 out of your account that could be going towards at least standing a chance against facing some of

01:03:35.260 these problems right that's if you actually get a job and you you know are trying to save up to get

01:03:40.480 a house well good luck yeah it's a real scam that i was not going to hurry about it i was shocked

01:03:44.440 how much his loan was because it's a little lower in my generation but it's bad enough they really

01:03:48.760 sold it to you on like oh the income the interest is incredibly low it's like is it though when it

01:03:53.080 compounds after many years and the other idea is oh it resets after this is what people are telling

01:03:57.500 me oh it resets after like you're it's like if you're like 64 or something it it never leaves

01:04:02.520 you for a lot of people yeah well it's the vast majority of your working years and if you're if

01:04:08.200 you're paying into the system if you're paying tax you're also paying off your student loan so

01:04:12.100 it's a tax it's a de facto graduate it's essentially a tithe yeah you have to pay a certain percentage

01:04:17.920 of your income just forever and you might say well you shouldn't have done some sort of arts

01:04:21.840 course or whatever it is but like do you really spell out to students when they're young this is

01:04:25.080 going to cost you this amount forever and it's going to be worthless no you don't you try and

01:04:28.660 sell it to them it's the opposite they oh you should definitely yeah because otherwise you

01:04:31.440 won't get a job yeah i don't get a job anyway well even myself you know i've got an undergraduate

01:04:36.400 and a postgraduate my undergraduate i received the the least amount of money possible because

01:04:40.880 it's based on parental income and they screwed me over with that so i had to work the entire time

01:04:45.940 and then i paid off i paid my uh tuition for my postgrad out of my own pocket and borrowed a little

01:04:53.160 bit for living costs and even then with my much smaller loan than most people um i've only paid

01:04:59.460 off the interest and i'm probably doing better than average most people my age and so if i've

01:05:05.960 only just paid the interest and back to square one having you know as if i've just graduated

01:05:11.300 then how is any person reasonably expected to pay this off and the problem is as well that it's not

01:05:18.040 weighted um fairly low earners actually don't need to worry because you know it'll get written

01:05:24.220 off and therefore they don't have to really be too concerned about the prospect of writing

01:05:29.880 off and paying off themselves because the interest is inconsequential because they're

01:05:35.500 never going to pay it off anyway and so it doesn't make a difference there's a similar

01:05:40.040 sort of situation with high earners actually where they're earning enough that the interest

01:05:44.200 doesn't get enough chance to accumulate although it's worth mentioning that the majority of

01:05:49.160 people are not in that high earner category.

01:05:51.760 You've gotta, I'll get to the calculation later,

01:05:54.240 but you've gotta be earning over about 60, 70,000

01:05:58.020 to be in that category, which realistically,

01:06:00.460 if you're a graduate, unless you're, you know,

01:06:03.280 in investment banking or something,

01:06:04.880 you're probably not gonna be getting any time soon.

01:06:07.280 But it's the middle earners, the people in the middle

01:06:09.780 that have the worst system because they end up paying

01:06:11.860 the most money into their student loans

01:06:14.100 out of either of the other groups.

01:06:16.660 And people who are realistically going to go on to start businesses

01:06:20.580 or make something of themselves, right,

01:06:24.500 they're not useless, they're economically productive,

01:06:28.340 they're the middle earners of the country.

01:06:29.720 But they're the ones paying the most and getting the least out of it, right?

01:06:33.540 Yes.

01:06:33.860 As in the debt isn't shrinking or you're paying off the interest,

01:06:38.440 and so you're paying a much bigger percentage of your income

01:06:41.500 and struggling to stay in the same place.

01:06:43.660 And that's assuming that we don't get a massive amount of bloody inflation

01:06:46.320 because of what Andy Byrne's about to do to the economy,

01:06:48.300 blah, blah, blah, you know.

01:06:49.440 Yeah, well.

01:06:50.060 So bad.

01:06:51.300 The inflation has wrecked havoc on things as well.

01:06:54.340 Just look here from the growth of student loans themselves

01:06:58.520 from 2013 to 14 to 25 to 26.

01:07:03.580 They've just grown significantly.

01:07:05.680 That's, you know, almost trebled in 10 years.

01:07:08.820 That's just the balance.

01:07:10.380 Yeah, the total outstanding balance of student loans.

01:07:13.460 which by the way is much larger figure than the interest just so you know yeah not not suggesting

01:07:20.660 we just abolish everything but um i don't know man at some point why not have a jubilee on it

01:07:26.160 i this is what i argued in my last issue of islander it's like it's actually a traditional

01:07:30.680 thing to do and this is not my last issue this is what was argued in the last issue of islander

01:07:36.140 um by um michael hudson and it was actually really persuasive because this is actually

01:07:41.760 the traditional way of doing it because at the end of the day is as he puts it is the war between

01:07:45.960 the creditors and the debtors and eventually the creditors end up essentially enslaving all the

01:07:50.300 debtors and that causes essentially revolution and so this is something that it's just done

01:07:56.840 historically by every empire to maintain stability because the the creditors have got loads of money

01:08:02.100 they're doing fine you know they're saying forgive all student loan debt at some point it's also that

01:08:07.240 The creditors are not really private citizens.

01:08:10.900 Well, yeah, the creditors in this particular case

01:08:12.840 are the British government.

01:08:14.440 You know, you're more than welcome to get money out of it

01:08:17.760 if you're a hard-working British person.

01:08:19.400 Yeah, and it's not like the British government's

01:08:20.720 going to find itself bankrupt.

01:08:22.760 I mean, it might, but not from this, you know what I mean?

01:08:25.020 Yeah, if the other stuff would be the NHS.

01:08:27.260 Exactly. It's not going to be from this.

01:08:29.660 It's always going to have a tax base that it can extract from.

01:08:32.420 And in fact, this would increase the size of the tax base

01:08:34.780 by increasing the amount of money people have

01:08:36.840 to actually spend

01:08:37.480 I argue exactly that as well

01:08:39.640 is that the money

01:08:40.300 is not wasted

01:08:40.940 it's freed up

01:08:42.940 and the kind of people

01:08:43.780 who you're liberating

01:08:45.420 from the interest

01:08:47.080 and the debt

01:08:47.660 are people who will

01:08:49.400 be professionals

01:08:50.380 who will be buying houses

01:08:51.560 they'll be starting businesses

01:08:53.100 isn't the argument always

01:08:54.380 why should a hardworking person

01:08:55.700 pay via their tax

01:08:57.180 for the person's

01:08:57.920 gender studies degree

01:08:58.980 where does the money

01:09:02.160 to forgive it come from

01:09:03.740 it comes from you

01:09:04.760 it goes to

01:09:05.400 sure but it's already gone right i would also money's already been spent and now it's just a

01:09:10.440 debt that students are paying back and i mean you know okay don't get me wrong i'm not happy about

01:09:14.040 the gender study stuff but that's a very small percentage of the total student loan debt i mean

01:09:20.420 what you know i can only imagine like gender studies degrees are not going to be like a

01:09:24.240 significant percentage it's going to be tiny yeah yeah yeah fine you know those people get away

01:09:28.160 scot-free but like there are going to be as you say loads of people are actually productive who

01:09:31.760 could actually do something with the money that they're earning that isn't just being rinsed by

01:09:35.360 the state so you know the people who didn't go to university they're not necessarily subsidizing it

01:09:40.820 in a direct sense because that money is going to go back into the economy regardless and whether

01:09:45.280 it's in the government's hands or whether it's in private citizens hands as long as it's not

01:09:49.480 left the country then it's basically i just remember when biden tried to do it these were

01:09:53.020 some of the arguments or biden discussed but i think the best argument is that most of the people

01:09:57.420 who've enrolled the majority in fact were 16 or 17 when they had these circumstances outlined to

01:10:03.980 them and I think that there's a very strong case where say a private case against a private citizen

01:10:10.140 that the students have been misled as to the nature of the arrangement oh yeah yeah I 100%

01:10:15.760 agree with that they couldn't consent yeah exactly because not only not an adult but also

01:10:23.460 you you meant to understand interest rates and what a good you know long-term investment is and

01:10:30.620 things like that when you're 16 17 i didn't even have a couple hundred quid yeah especially if

01:10:36.040 you're doing english by its nature you don't understand numbers so it's like oh it's gonna

01:10:39.380 only one point something percent i'm like right but over time compounding that's still a lot but

01:10:44.380 also i mean all of this correct but the effect has been for a government company to sell the

01:10:52.380 narrative to young people that they essentially have to become government serfs for their entire

01:10:56.860 lives. Also there's an additional sort of malignant element to it in that schools

01:11:03.100 and colleges are assessed based on how many of their students go to

01:11:06.640 universities. There's a perverse incentive to send as many to university

01:11:11.020 whether they're fit for it, whether they get something out of it or not. And I

01:11:15.700 don't think it's in the interest of many of the people who went to university to

01:11:18.940 have done it and in fact the people in the trades that would be subsidizing it

01:11:23.020 are the people that are better off.

01:11:24.980 I'd look at my friends.

01:11:26.300 There are loads of examples of this.

01:11:28.140 Like you need a degree to be a police officer.

01:11:30.420 Why?

01:11:30.740 Well, it's just inflating the qualification threshold.

01:11:33.900 Exactly.

01:11:34.880 That's not necessary at all.

01:11:36.460 What you need is good training.

01:11:37.900 Yeah, well, some of my friends that either went into trades

01:11:40.540 or joined the services, like some of them were in the military,

01:11:43.280 they owned houses at 25.

01:11:44.780 I'm 30, I'm still renting.

01:11:46.720 Yeah, that's back to my hometown.

01:11:49.460 Everyone who'd been to university was just broke.

01:11:51.440 and the bloke

01:11:52.580 who was a bit of a dick

01:11:53.280 to be honest

01:11:53.540 who'd stayed in the hometown

01:11:54.340 and become a plumber

01:11:55.520 had a

01:11:55.940 200 something thousand pound house

01:11:58.120 and was just sort of like

01:11:58.940 what were we sold here

01:12:00.440 what are you losers doing

01:12:01.580 yeah

01:12:01.840 but you're right

01:12:02.500 but for a certain percentage

01:12:03.280 they should go

01:12:04.060 maybe you would have been one of them

01:12:05.460 maybe I would have been

01:12:06.140 maybe you would have been

01:12:06.620 but it's like

01:12:07.100 not a very high percentage

01:12:08.440 of people who should actually go

01:12:09.540 well I think I have actually

01:12:10.800 benefited from it

01:12:11.680 but I'm one of the rare few

01:12:12.820 yeah

01:12:13.180 that's thanks to Carl

01:12:14.400 more than anyone

01:12:14.980 so

01:12:15.740 you never know

01:12:17.060 what will end up

01:12:17.740 but yes

01:12:19.320 the vast majority of loans

01:12:20.880 that are coming into repayment now

01:12:23.180 are these Plan 2 loans,

01:12:24.700 which replaced Plan 1 in the past.

01:12:27.000 I think it was in 2012.

01:12:28.760 And the Plan 2 ones have been phased out for Plan 5

01:12:31.900 because they realise that the Plan 2 ones

01:12:33.620 have an absurd interest rate.

01:12:37.240 Yeah, because I was going to say about this,

01:12:38.940 because obviously I took my student loan

01:12:40.800 in like 1998 or something,

01:12:43.780 1999 maybe.

01:12:45.340 I can't remember exactly what year,

01:12:46.960 but the student loan interest

01:12:48.660 was not nearly as ruinous as it seems to be for young people now.

01:12:52.960 And I didn't know when it had changed.

01:12:54.780 So here you can see the growth of interest.

01:12:56.860 This breaks down into the component parts of the United Kingdom.

01:13:01.300 And you can see that it starts to take off around 2018, 2019,

01:13:05.600 and then it balloons over here.

01:13:09.880 And this phenomenon can largely be seen by the unlucky few,

01:13:15.060 or majority at the minute, that have a plan to loan,

01:13:17.700 myself included i've got one of those for my undergrad um so you can see that the interest

01:13:22.460 rates here for all the other plans are relatively stable relatively low but for these plan two loans

01:13:28.560 they are just absurd and it's because of the way in which they calculate the interest rates

01:13:33.480 it's like rpi um plus 3.5 or something or whatever's bigger but what actually ends up

01:13:41.800 happening if i skip to this section talking about interest caps is that um interest rates can

01:13:49.260 actually spiral to the point where if there's not a cap in place you can get 17 that's what we

01:13:56.220 would have had like a really bad credit card yeah yeah it was like a payday loan well it's to the

01:14:01.920 point where it's not reasonable to expect anyone to have to deal with that let alone this be a

01:14:07.900 government-run thing. I think it's predatory. And I actually, I did a little bit of a calculation

01:14:13.820 to illustrate just how bad the current solution to the problem is. Because at the minute, as of

01:14:18.320 September, the Labour Party have introduced a 6% cap on invest on Plan 2 loans, which is the one I

01:14:25.400 have, and many other people do. That's what most people have if you went to university, you know,

01:14:30.420 five years back until 2012. So I write here, consider a plan to borrow with an outstanding

01:14:38.100 balance of 50,000, which is within the range of average amounts borrowed. I think it's between

01:14:42.760 47 and 53,000 is the average. If the maximum interest rate of 6% applies, the loan would

01:14:50.160 accrue approximately 300,000, 300,000, that's not that bad, 3,000 pounds of interest over the course

01:14:56.560 of a year. And under the 2627 repayment threshold of 29,385, a plan to borrower pays 9% of their

01:15:03.980 earnings above that threshold. So the income required to cover this £3,000 of annual interest

01:15:10.200 can therefore be calculated as follows. And I was able to find that to be able to pay off just the

01:15:16.460 interest accrued on a plan to loan with the 6% cap, if that cap didn't exist, obviously it'd be

01:15:21.940 much higher you need 62 718 pounds annually to pay this off this year which is how that's way

01:15:30.340 high so 30 percent higher than the average wage in the country only one in 10 taxpayers in britain

01:15:35.360 earn over that figure um and these tend to be country older as well than the average taxpayer

01:15:43.840 and also um they wouldn't have had the same student loan arrangement that i would have had

01:15:50.340 for example.

01:15:51.140 What are you saying about being a poor country?

01:15:52.740 I saw a tweet where a Chipotle worker

01:15:54.940 was on track to earn $100,000 a year

01:15:57.460 after three years.

01:15:58.520 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:59.720 And so that's what, about £70,000,

01:16:02.300 something like that?

01:16:03.260 It's mad.

01:16:04.980 But the situation is pretty bleak here

01:16:07.780 and obviously something needs to be done about it.

01:16:10.540 And there are lots of other things that can be done,

01:16:12.520 but this is one of the ways that we,

01:16:14.340 at least you can target those trapped

01:16:17.200 in these monthly repayments

01:16:19.500 where there's salaries getting chipped away,

01:16:22.240 you've got income tax, council tax, bills, cost of living, rent,

01:16:27.200 and then you've got student loans.

01:16:29.040 It's just something that you can alleviate some of the pressure

01:16:33.000 on people's household incomes.

01:16:35.720 And because tradespeople are doing comparatively better,

01:16:39.040 this actually needs to be done first,

01:16:41.040 even though typically we like to think of university graduates

01:16:44.080 as being more privileged.

01:16:45.880 I think actually it's the other way around,

01:16:47.580 that the people who went into trades did the right thing

01:16:50.080 and were smart and have done well for it,

01:16:53.120 and they deserve it.

01:16:53.880 I'm not saying they don't.

01:16:55.820 However, I think many 16-, 17-year-olds

01:16:58.900 would sold this bill of goods that was quite simply not good for them,

01:17:05.640 and they need to be helped, and this is one way of doing it.

01:17:09.260 It's not just not good for them.

01:17:10.440 It's openly predatory.

01:17:11.860 A government could be up to a 17% inflation rate

01:17:16.980 on it was essentially an unlimited inflation rate on a loan that is going to be with you for the rest

01:17:25.380 of your life that you're barely going to be able to struggle to pay off month to month

01:17:27.960 that's turning everyone into literally some kind of surf it's like yeah literally like a tithe i

01:17:34.040 mean there are only two other things i could think of that make things better for young people that

01:17:38.580 would be obviously targeting immigration yeah obviously as well as trying to move away from

01:17:45.260 on putting all your value in housing,

01:17:46.880 because that also just creates this massive first step

01:17:51.120 into having assets.

01:17:53.620 Yeah, well, I mean, if immigration was a problem

01:17:55.480 that we could solve, then that'll solve itself.

01:17:57.380 That's true.

01:17:57.980 It would go a decent way there, wouldn't it?

01:18:00.680 In the 90s, we had negative immigration at the beginning,

01:18:04.000 between, like, you know, 89 and 93.

01:18:06.000 We had negative immigration,

01:18:07.880 and housing was at, like, four times.

01:18:09.860 So, sorry, anyway.

01:18:11.520 That's all right.

01:18:12.040 But I was just going to say that,

01:18:13.240 To sort of wrap up what my policy proposal was, the abolition of interest for all student loans held by British nationals resident in the United Kingdom.

01:18:21.700 So you've got to be British and you've actually got to live here because we shouldn't be abolishing people's loans if they've already moved somewhere else and they're working somewhere else.

01:18:30.080 It's not in the British people's interest.

01:18:33.360 And I've also said that you would be eligible if you move back.

01:18:36.740 So it's an actual draw to bring back our diaspora that many have moved to America and Australia and the like.

01:18:42.240 to come back and you won't have to pay off your student loan anymore

01:18:45.480 because there needs to be draws to come back to this country

01:18:48.400 because loads of people I know have left.

01:18:50.920 Yeah, there are loads of people who have gone to Australia or America or wherever.

01:18:53.460 And I understand I'm staying because I'm stubborn and I'm in politics.

01:19:00.060 But I understand the impulse to leave.

01:19:02.480 But it shouldn't have to be the case that you leave your home country

01:19:05.960 where everyone you know and love is already here to find a better future

01:19:11.280 and something has to be done about it.

01:19:13.200 And hopefully this is at least a step

01:19:16.460 in the right direction for once.

01:19:18.820 Good stuff.

01:19:19.960 Right, do we have video comments today, Samson?

01:19:23.340 Hey, Jen, Buttonknife Permit Registry says,

01:19:25.480 immigrant communities in my constituency,

01:19:27.300 some of the staunchest proponents of immigration control,

01:19:29.820 like Julia Hartley Brewer.

01:19:31.980 This has to be the free center square

01:19:34.720 of any pro-migrant bingo card.

01:19:36.940 So yeah, it really does.

01:19:38.320 Like, it's just, oh, but the migrants.

01:19:40.480 want i don't care what the migrants want i'm just so tired of it it's never framed in in the sense

01:19:45.600 of what do the native people of britain yeah yeah they're not allowed to have an opinion on it

01:19:49.880 anyway let's let's go to the videos guys i just had a brilliant idea and i think this should be

01:19:57.960 a real plank of restore for moving on because it's this brilliant restore customer rights

01:20:04.820 Everyone has a grudge against the big companies

01:20:08.020 Who have been

01:20:09.600 The past few years

01:20:10.920 Screwing them over

01:20:12.700 This is something

01:20:14.860 They can all grab

01:20:16.480 Restore as

01:20:17.940 The metaphor called sledgehammer

01:20:20.020 Against the companies

01:20:21.380 This will penetrate even the thickest

01:20:23.700 Libden mines

01:20:24.680 Interesting idea

01:20:29.040 Eagle Hall is the principle of the customer is always right

01:20:31.380 That's what I thought that was going

01:20:32.980 yeah like karen's in full control but no i i see what you're saying that corporations

01:20:37.860 especially if you live in america or north america more generally um corporations do

01:20:43.240 oh it's awful it's almost like south korea where you know there's dictatorship by corporations

01:20:48.440 corporations are actually really heavily regulated in europe um which is why our bread just has wheat

01:20:53.380 in it and your bread has a list of ingredients the length of my arm in it so in in britain that's

01:20:59.060 really not such a problem i think um but i could totally see why that'd be no corporations want to

01:21:04.820 base here because we've got such punitive corporation tax that well yeah scared them all

01:21:09.480 away high regulation high tax really socialist that's what you're going to do yeah yeah yeah

01:21:14.520 basically just take yourself into a communist utopia like we are and so let's go to the next

01:21:18.580 one the indigenous of north america have a rich history with tales and legends that help preserve

01:21:24.960 of ancient learning and morality. Unfortunately, the indigenous of the North America never

01:21:29.900 developed a writing system to record and preserve these tales, so they were passed down in the

01:21:34.240 oral tradition, rendering them subject to change over the years, and despite what natives

01:21:38.660 would say, can bear no resemblance to what was originally told. Consequently, their law

01:21:43.620 is just as arbitrary and, shockingly, assumes guilt under the guise of restorative justice.

01:21:48.800 Well, glad that's not my problem

01:21:52.720 It's very interesting

01:21:55.200 Let's go to the next one

01:21:57.140 I'm living down in the city that we love

01:22:02.380 Great clouds all over the hills

01:22:07.020 Bringing darkness from above

01:22:09.900 But if you close your eyes

01:22:14.400 Does it almost feel like nothing changed at all

01:22:20.020 And if you close your eyes

01:22:22.480 Does it almost feel like you, baby

01:22:26.440 I can't believe we won by 85% of the vote.

01:22:31.940 I had popped up.

01:22:33.140 I was like, Jesus Christ.

01:22:34.520 I wonder what the Reichstag fire was in that case.

01:22:36.820 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:37.380 Well, very, very, very good to Mr. Hitler of Namibia.

01:22:40.780 But solving a bunch of problems.

01:22:43.460 Sophie says, yeah, I'm a dupe.

01:22:46.020 I'm obviously never going to become English,

01:22:47.280 but I do have to laugh because we know we actually all do speak English in Denmark.

01:22:51.020 Okay, yeah, fine.

01:22:52.020 I concede you all speak English in Denmark as a second language

01:22:55.500 because of English imperialism.

01:22:57.480 It's not because the English language comes from Denmark.

01:23:00.280 There was always a rumour that people in Cumbria

01:23:01.900 could be understood in Denmark because of all the influences.

01:23:05.220 That was a rumour when I grew up.

01:23:06.480 Really?

01:23:06.820 Because the Cumbrian accent and dialect was meant to be

01:23:09.940 so influenced by that kind of area.

01:23:11.880 I watched a video of this guy who went to Frisia in Holland.

01:23:17.980 You're on about Eddie Izzard.

01:23:19.640 I don't know if it was Eddie Izzard,

01:23:20.680 but he went and spoke to this guy in Old English.

01:23:23.000 Frisian, yeah, it is Eddie Izzard.

01:23:24.480 isn't him right yeah yeah and he speaks to this frisian farmer in old english about his cows

01:23:28.380 and he can completely understand it you know because it's just it's a very very similar

01:23:32.720 language be fair i've been cool yeah i can get what you talk i've been learning i've been learning

01:23:37.220 some dutch and it's incredibly easy i'm just like it's basically just english with a silly accent

01:23:44.000 yeah and and they all speak impeccable english anyway so i'm wasting my time but we have a

01:23:48.680 Serious Probleem

01:23:49.860 from Get Wilders.

01:23:51.660 That was amazing.

01:23:52.480 Yeah, that was hilarious.

01:23:53.720 There's also

01:23:54.320 funny Afrikaner things

01:23:56.220 like Hitler,

01:23:57.520 Hitler,

01:23:58.340 dude,

01:23:59.460 what new?

01:24:00.520 And things like that.

01:24:02.060 It's just like

01:24:02.520 you're putting on

01:24:02.960 a silly voice

01:24:03.700 and that's it.

01:24:06.740 AP says,

01:24:07.540 the only reason

01:24:07.880 that clowns like Mog

01:24:08.660 are saying English

01:24:09.280 is a Mongol identity

01:24:10.100 because we developed

01:24:10.920 writing and made records

01:24:12.120 whereas tribes

01:24:12.680 without written records

01:24:13.560 wiping each other out

01:24:14.340 over a few decades

01:24:15.020 is supposedly perfectly pure

01:24:16.100 going back to the start of time

01:24:17.100 according to woke ideology.

01:24:17.940 not even woke ideology this is just the normal sort of globalist libtard perspective but that's

01:24:22.740 completely true like the the idea that like okay the opposite of a mongrel is of course a purebred

01:24:27.700 but there's not a but a purebred is a mix of something else like a purebred you know staff

01:24:34.300 a bull terror or whatever will have two or three different ancestral dogs that they got the traits

01:24:38.680 they wanted from and those dogs will have ancestors as well like and it's the same with all tribes

01:24:43.540 anything, any, any group of people, when you say purebred, what you mean is this particular

01:24:50.380 mix of some prior ancestry of something else.

01:24:53.260 You're onto something with a dog analogy, because, you know, what they're basically

01:24:56.500 saying is all of humanity is the wolf.

01:24:58.960 Yeah.

01:24:59.220 But I know I'd rather be locked in a room with a chihuahua than a Rhodesian Ridgeback.

01:25:04.760 Oh, Rhodesian Ridgebacks are lovely.

01:25:06.400 They are when they're trained, but they're just, you know, you know, it could.

01:25:10.140 I used to walk on one as a kid.

01:25:12.160 It was lovely.

01:25:12.660 It was huge.

01:25:13.540 they're big aren't they

01:25:14.560 massive

01:25:15.060 and it was

01:25:15.740 I was like 15

01:25:16.700 and it'd be dragging me

01:25:17.620 down the road

01:25:18.120 because it was really friendly

01:25:19.520 framing it differently

01:25:20.280 would you rather be

01:25:20.960 attacked by a chihuahua

01:25:21.940 or a ridgeback

01:25:22.800 well I mean

01:25:23.500 I'd rather be attacked

01:25:24.360 by a chihuahua

01:25:24.920 obviously

01:25:25.340 but I'm not

01:25:26.500 I don't think they're like

01:25:27.740 excessively aggressive dogs

01:25:29.620 it's not like they're

01:25:30.180 bloody pit bulls

01:25:30.960 or something

01:25:31.380 no they're

01:25:32.260 bred to be violent

01:25:33.620 see that pit bull

01:25:34.320 attacking a bison

01:25:35.280 yeah it's really funny

01:25:37.020 you may have bitten off

01:25:39.400 more than you could do

01:25:40.200 this time

01:25:40.920 it's like a feel good video

01:25:42.780 yeah it really was yeah everyone for anyone doesn't know basically this this older couple

01:25:49.940 of filming this bison on the tour and this pitbull somehow gets loosened they're like no no stop it

01:25:55.860 and the bison just yeets the thing head over heels because the bison weighs like two tons

01:26:01.080 the thing i hate about pitbulls most is the hubris yeah i know i love watching them get

01:26:06.360 absolutely stomped by some giant animal it's so funny man uh they totally deserve it anyway

01:26:11.820 Lord and Chris

01:26:14.160 Hector X says

01:26:15.240 it's self-perpetuated

01:26:16.220 so we need migrants

01:26:17.060 to service all the migrants

01:26:17.880 that are breaking in

01:26:18.500 yeah I know

01:26:18.940 I know

01:26:19.340 the NHS are collapsed

01:26:20.760 without migrants

01:26:21.460 because of all the migrants

01:26:22.820 that are trying to use the NHS

01:26:23.840 actually

01:26:24.840 a disproportionate number

01:26:26.720 of English people

01:26:27.720 well British people

01:26:28.820 should I say

01:26:29.400 run the NHS

01:26:31.100 we've got the data actually

01:26:32.560 yeah I know

01:26:33.120 it's not immigrants

01:26:34.080 it's a pyramid scheme

01:26:35.520 of immigrants

01:26:36.100 more than anything

01:26:36.520 yeah

01:26:36.760 Jimbo says

01:26:38.660 Shabana Mahmood

01:26:39.320 wants us to live

01:26:39.980 in the panopticon

01:26:40.680 because the alternative

01:26:41.480 is that we will inevitably start demanding serious consequences for the likes of her i think that's

01:26:45.940 going to happen even if we're in the panopticon to be honest um i'm starting to wonder if i can

01:26:50.020 claim asylum status in the uk because of oppression by the uk government the scheme seems so open to

01:26:54.240 abuse it might generally get approved uh justin says bridging the carl and nick sections both

01:26:59.600 arguments from the liberals result in the necessity for colonial domination of the world by the

01:27:03.720 british and make everyone a subject and ensure the safety and security by colonizing their

01:27:07.460 historical lands for god and the empire yeah but the thing is they've decided it's just going to

01:27:11.640 be bring them all here because they've lost the authority in their own belief system to impose

01:27:17.980 on other people but you aren't right i mean it's ultimately there's no particular reason why we

01:27:22.120 have to sit on our laurels here why can't we just send a couple of divisions to whatever country

01:27:26.620 we're trying to fix and just take it over um uh economic zone 17 says i've heard it called the

01:27:33.200 shabby wave yeah i don't like that though because it makes it sound a lot more domestic uh no it's

01:27:37.720 the mahmood wave a muslim woman has inflicted this upon us um geordie salzman ollie dogmore

01:27:44.560 to be human is to be racist andy burnham to be human is to be english i mean i kind of agree

01:27:50.880 with those points to be honest so i don't know what to tell you uh zesty says something you

01:27:56.600 should consider josh is that a company receives a tax exemption they're actively hiring so many

01:28:01.220 even create fake jobs and advertise an interview candidates pick no one and repeat this makes

01:28:05.240 140 applications for every job even worse there's not even every job is real that's a very good

01:28:10.340 yeah but how can you find the statistics on that you know yeah it's impossible isn't it yeah justin

01:28:14.940 says the fairest way to handle student debts is simply cancel compound interest you pay back the

01:28:19.180 original value of the loan plus 10 and nothing more and that actually would be a fair way to do

01:28:22.860 it as well islamic solution it is actually isn't it yeah yeah there were edits of me after i published

01:28:28.540 this as a sort of islamic figure talking about banning usury and the like yeah i agree with it

01:28:34.540 though yeah yeah of course some people say it's in the bible as well it's a catholic tenant

01:28:39.400 and this is why the jews even existed in europe because they were the only ones who could actually

01:28:43.320 use her um but yeah anyway right mermidon says student loan is paying a certain portion of your

01:28:49.680 income forever carl really do that in tax yeah i know but this is an extra tax so it becomes like

01:28:54.660 a tithe like a tax could go up and down but this tithe is going to be perennial um but yeah i don't

01:29:01.040 get me wrong i agree you know we're all slaves aren't we i bloody hate it lars says in norway

01:29:06.420 the student loans weren't adjusted for inflation until the 1980s i remember taking uh talking to

01:29:11.820 one of my boomer teachers in secondary school and he said that back then when he came out of

01:29:14.960 university they actually made money from having student loans can you yeah and of course they

01:29:20.440 used to get grants and they didn't have the loan education was free there was grants that cut off

01:29:25.540 just around my brother's time he just like the last person to i mean i certainly can't say i

01:29:29.680 regret where i am in life sure but i can't help but think what would my life be like if i became

01:29:36.000 a builder instead i'd be a lot richer i know you probably own your own house i definitely would

01:29:40.920 if not i'd be in good shape i'd be wealthy yeah yeah i mean you'd be able to shout at women in

01:29:48.180 the street i already do not anymore under labor's new rules i don't need any encouragement i'm

01:29:54.380 afraid arizona desert rat says i had this kind of conversation with my parents my dad didn't

01:29:59.200 believe me when i told him his house would be worth at least a quarter of a million dollars

01:30:02.680 at this point yeah i mean my parents house they bought a new building cornwall in like 1998 or

01:30:07.840 whatever and it's probably worth about three or four hundred thousand pounds now they bought it

01:30:11.260 for 100k yeah meanwhile in london we're trying to buy 25 of a house in shared housing you can't

01:30:17.840 even get a house because we saw it's 10.6 times income whatever god anyway well that's on that

01:30:23.740 bleak note yeah on that bleak you know trying to kill yourself um and come and join us at three

01:30:28.820 o'clock for lads hour where dan is going to be taking us through whatever latest crazy but

01:30:34.020 always entertaining concoction he has come up with so we'll see you then

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 02, 2026

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