The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1521

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters. Today's episode number 1521,

00:00:07.620 and I'm pleased to be joined by brother Luca and brother Dan.

00:00:11.100 Well, thank you, brother. Chaps.

00:00:12.940 You're welcome, brother. And this is Tuesday, the 6th of October, 2026, for those of you who love

00:00:19.460 us telling you about what date it is. We are going to discuss, what are we going to discuss?

00:00:26.140 half a second we're gonna discuss something about andy burnham yeah the brexit betrayal

00:00:31.600 the brexit betrayal it's a coming the brazilian elections and dan what are we going to discuss

00:00:39.280 the plague it's back it's going to kill us all don't panic okay uh about a third of the population

00:00:45.360 is about to die is that the well an optimistic assessment so i don't know or pessimistic

00:00:52.180 What was it last time? 30% to 50%, wasn't it?

00:00:54.720 It was considerable.

00:00:56.980 Yeah, so it's not good.

00:00:58.760 It was good for wages.

00:01:00.060 Yeah, but...

00:01:01.580 And the economic transformation of Europe.

00:01:03.780 Yes.

00:01:04.240 We have the NHS now, so you can relax.

00:01:07.980 Should we start with Andy Burnham?

00:01:11.140 Oh, before we do, I just want to say, ladies and gentlemen,

00:01:13.740 we now have all three parts of Chronicles on Sharpe's Tiger out as well.

00:01:18.800 Beau Sampson and I had an absolutely fantastic time talking all about The Siege of Syringapotam.

00:01:24.880 It's chronologically the first sharp novel. People have really been enjoying it. So if you like

00:01:30.300 history and great British heroes and good literature, then that's something that I would

00:01:36.340 encourage you to check out. All right, then. So I imagine this might invoke a few groans from people

00:01:43.980 listening. But we're going to talk about Brexit. And don't get me wrong, I groaned too to talk

00:01:49.840 about it. I had my fair share of discussions about Brexit. If anything, it's really because

00:01:55.280 I was perfect. I turned 18 in 2014. It was just on the horizon. Voted UKIP in the first election

00:02:02.960 I could because I thought, getting a bit foreign over here, isn't it? And then from there, obviously,

00:02:08.220 Brexit came up as the paramount issue that everyone had an opinion on. But also as well,

00:02:14.040 when you bear out the number of people who actually voted in it as well, was something

00:02:18.980 that clearly the nation at the time felt was more consequential than a regular general election.

00:02:26.860 This is something that actually got people out voting. And as I say, it's the first thing I

00:02:31.680 involved myself in and I remember exactly where I was I was in Bristol at an audition on 23rd of

00:02:39.240 June 2016 and being in Bristol when it's announced that you're leaving the European Union and going

00:02:47.760 to a drama school and seeing them all there having the worst day of their lives knowing that they

00:02:53.720 lost was something I'll never forget. So I stayed I was in my house and I stayed up all night

00:02:59.600 watching the results come in.

00:03:01.460 But now I think about it, being at a drama school

00:03:03.600 would have been far more fun.

00:03:05.580 Oh, it's fantastic.

00:03:06.900 Yeah, it really was something.

00:03:08.820 But, you know, from there as well.

00:03:10.340 But then we had the entire, oh gosh, I remember those years

00:03:15.500 just watching Parliament just in that bloody stalemate,

00:03:20.000 fighting over whether or not, doing everything they could

00:03:22.560 to stop Article 50, to confuse a deal,

00:03:25.820 to actively just help the European Union sabotage it,

00:03:30.300 even when the EU was going as far as saying,

00:03:32.960 well, you know, we're going to have to put a hard border down the Irish Sea,

00:03:36.260 just literally trying to partition the United Kingdom.

00:03:40.640 And the problem that we had at the time, I think,

00:03:43.440 was because it's so strange in a way.

00:03:45.800 A lot of the issues that we were talking about then

00:03:48.060 are identical to the issues that we're talking about now.

00:03:50.920 All of these things, questions of sovereignty,

00:03:53.280 questions of immigration, questions of energy security, questions of trade. It's just all the

00:03:59.360 same. It's all completely the same. And I think one of the errors that people made, and certainly

00:04:04.620 one that I was guilty of making, being younger at the time and more naive, was the fact that,

00:04:10.580 no, no, our establishment aren't enemies. They don't hate us. They're just a bit misguided.

00:04:17.480 And if we just all vote this way and, you know, we're going to have months and months of arguing

00:04:22.960 So they couldn't possibly misinterpret purposefully what we have to say.

00:04:28.680 Then actually they'll see the error of the ways and we can get the country back on track.

00:04:33.040 I think you can argue that there has been something that's different.

00:04:36.400 And that's the group of foreigners that is the concern here.

00:04:41.140 Because from what little I know about Brexit and the discussions regarding it, you know way more than I do.

00:04:49.100 it was about freedom of movement within the eu and there was a particular fixation with people

00:04:57.580 from eastern europe particularly northeastern europe poland romania and stuff so now it's

00:05:03.140 from the mina countries it's countries that you could say that culturally speaking are

00:05:07.460 even more incompatible right with so i must say to your point i i bloody saw it coming i saw i

00:05:14.580 I saw it going because at the time of Brexit,

00:05:17.160 there was this thing called Brexit the Movie,

00:05:19.280 which is like a big propaganda.

00:05:20.160 Oh, Benedict Cumberbatch playing Dominic Cummings.

00:05:22.700 No, no, it was a sort of propaganda movie

00:05:26.580 that was put out before the vote.

00:05:28.020 Oh, okay.

00:05:28.700 And it was meant to sway opinion.

00:05:30.240 Anyway, I was one of the guys who gave that

00:05:31.780 a bit of financial backing at the time.

00:05:33.920 And I got invited to some thing in Covent Garden

00:05:37.360 where there's a bunch of politicians and a bunch of backers.

00:05:39.920 Right.

00:05:40.300 And I actually had this conversation,

00:05:41.700 I think it was with Dan Hannan and Melanie Phillips,

00:05:44.580 and everybody there was basically saying I think we're going to lose and I was saying no I think

00:05:49.380 we're going to win I do think we're going to win but the system will betray us afterwards because

00:05:54.480 the system's motivations will be that they don't want to do it and they can hold it up and nobody

00:05:59.040 was saying that at the time apart from myself that I can remember and exactly what bloody happened

00:06:04.800 absolutely you called it called it yes yeah absolutely and I think one of the things as

00:06:09.780 well, of course, was Cameron's gamble, having already succeeded in his gamble on the question

00:06:14.820 of Scottish independence, and that turns out that the Scots were actually very loyal and were

00:06:19.360 grateful for it. But the point is that they never saw it actually voting in the vote going in favour

00:06:26.120 of leaving. And so actually, the entire point of the referendum was to create the illusion of

00:06:31.860 choice. Oh, you've had you've had the vote, but you all voted the right way. And therefore, but

00:06:38.700 However, obviously, it wasn't supposed to go that way at all.

00:06:42.320 And the fact of the matter is that for the ruling elites of England, Britain more broadly, they've never forgiven us.

00:06:50.540 They have never forgiven the British people for voting the way that they did.

00:06:55.020 And I don't think it's unreasonable, to be honest, when people speculate that the Boris wave was in part a punishment on us.

00:07:02.060 And to go back to what you were saying, Stelius, about the Eastern Europeans.

00:07:05.160 Now, I don't exactly want, you know, just because the polls happen to be white, I don't want to be replaced and become a minority in my homeland based on, you know, nations from the Eastern Bloc.

00:07:17.780 However, their conduct is definitely preferable to the people that we've seen come here since.

00:07:23.860 But as I say, the establishment have never gotten over it.

00:07:26.960 And so you still see articles like this where Andy Burnham comes out, blames Brexit for low growth as if we're not in charge of our own tax rates.

00:07:36.520 We're not in charge of our own interest rates.

00:07:38.740 We're not in charge of so much of our domestic policy that is actually suffocating us.

00:07:44.960 All of the just all of the policy over welfare and who we give it to and the facilitation of the illegal immigration invasion across the channel, all these things.

00:07:55.940 This is tremendous gaslighting because if you see ever since Labor has got elected, there is a flea of capital. There are many, for instance, billionaires who are leaving. They're saying the tax system is really bad and it hampers investment.

00:08:13.000 but Burnham is focusing on Brexit. Why? Because he doesn't want this to be an issue where there's

00:08:19.180 going to be a second referendum. He wants to tie it with his overall agenda in the upcoming,

00:08:25.820 upcoming, I mean, the next general elections. Because he said so, that he said that he is going

00:08:30.860 to treat this as one of the main issues of his agenda for the 2029 general elections.

00:08:37.940 Absolutely. But one thing as well that I would just add about all of this is that if you

00:08:42.780 expect me to start having a crash out flailing my arms and talking about what a betrayal this is,

00:08:48.880 that's not what I'm going to do. Because actually, we're at the point now where even though

00:08:53.000 I obviously do want to protect Brexit, I do want to keep us independent from the European Union,

00:09:00.460 we're at this point now, 10 years on, where the entire debate is anachronistic.

00:09:05.060 Like Brexit from what it was, where it was the top of the priorities and everything that the

00:09:10.000 media will happen to funnel our energies into i feel like now it's just a fog that they're

00:09:15.640 throwing up i think if we hadn't have left thing if we hadn't got the referendum it would still be

00:09:20.080 an issue but it would be maybe top five it'd be in the top 10 yeah but it wouldn't be it wouldn't

00:09:25.720 be number one like it was back then yeah but also as well they they obviously hate it as well because

00:09:31.300 before in the pre-brexit world it was always well our european allies won't grant us these

00:09:36.840 privileges to do this. And, oh, we have to work within the confines of this Byzantine bureaucracy

00:09:42.560 that is the European Union. And so there was always some higher power for them to blame.

00:09:47.860 Since Brexit, they have got it in the neck for absolutely everything. We know that the book

00:09:53.880 stops them. And one of the things is that it doesn't really matter if we have independence

00:09:58.380 from the European Union, if all of our own traitors think exactly like Eurocrats anyway,

00:10:04.900 which they do. It was a necessary precondition for fixing the country but it is not a sufficient

00:10:10.700 condition. Right and at the same time it was implemented entirely by people who didn't want

00:10:16.800 it to succeed and whose hearts weren't in it anyway. But it goes on to say Mr Burnham said

00:10:22.060 political power was centralised, economic power privatised. He's talking about the 80s which is

00:10:28.020 the only talk about anachronistic is the only time he actually references. It says and then Brexit

00:10:34.300 it compounded the damage, ushering a decade of low growth and stalled regeneration. Change begins

00:10:40.000 with honesty, and I'm not hearing much of that this afternoon. Unless we are blunt about what

00:10:44.900 went wrong, we won't turn things around. He later said that there was, quote, no doubt that Brexit

00:10:49.740 had hit growth in the past decade, adding that there was, quote, there is no prospect, in my

00:10:55.640 view, of getting what we want for our farmers if we are to take an isolationist approach to this.

00:11:01.100 Again, I love that as if all of this is happening in the vacuum and on the continent in the EU, as if the farmers haven't just don't have a biannual siege of Brussels with their tractors at this point because of how much they're being sold out by the European elites when it comes to agriculture and farming and industry.

00:11:22.420 Yes, the Dutch Farmers Party did quite well in them.

00:11:24.260 They did, didn't they?

00:11:25.220 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:26.920 And so you can see him here and how quick it all changed about.

00:11:31.100 Now, obviously, when he was campaigning to become prime minister

00:11:34.780 and win the Makerfield seat,

00:11:36.320 you can see him obviously pledging that this is a settled issue.

00:11:39.820 And I'll just play this.

00:11:43.460 I'm not proposing that the UK considers rejoining the EU.

00:11:47.620 I respect the decision that was made at the referendum,

00:11:50.600 and it's going to undermine everything I've said about strengthening democracy

00:11:54.360 if we don't respect that vote.

00:11:56.640 I would like to see Britain rejoin in my lifetime,

00:11:59.760 so there's no point in me saying otherwise. What I am saying is it's not good enough to leave that

00:12:05.580 question just hanging. Is that Andy Burnham in May for the maker field by elections? Yeah. And then

00:12:13.760 after he got, he rose to the premiership. Yes, yes. And again, nobody should be surprised at this

00:12:20.520 whatsoever. But ultimately, this entire thing where he says, well, I would like it to happen

00:12:26.160 in my lifetime. It's like, right. And you just so happen to be prime minister right now, Mr.

00:12:31.220 Burnham, and you wouldn't start nudging things in that direction, would you? Surely not. When

00:12:38.120 obviously everyone understands that that is going to be the case. There's a wider interview about

00:12:43.260 it here where he talks about it. And you can see Nick Robinson down there. Oh, he's so gleeful

00:12:49.360 about the fact that this might happen one day. And he goes on to say, well, the Brexit referendum

00:12:55.780 is a possibility in the Labour election manifesto, Burnham says. Now, this seems like something that

00:13:03.640 he could definitely pledge for now, because, dispiritingly, Labour are at the top of the

00:13:10.980 polling, as things currently stand. And so it is definitely something that even though it wouldn't

00:13:16.700 be, because the Labour Party got whacked in 2019 and the Red Wall collapsed, because they put

00:13:23.280 themselves so thoroughly on the anti-democratic side of the ledger. But in this case, it's,

00:13:31.440 like I say, it's fallen down the list of priorities. So it's easily something you can

00:13:34.940 just put in there, even though everyone isn't going to vote for Labour because it's about

00:13:40.720 rejoining the EU. It just, again, it gives this manufacturing of consent.

00:13:45.800 They can find a form of words, subject to tests that they get to define ambiguously.

00:13:50.720 But I mean, the sensitivity for Burnham is that Makerfield voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.

00:13:58.480 And he didn't want to say anything to upset people before that by-election.

00:14:03.160 But if he thinks the polling indicates that he would win his personal seat handedly,

00:14:08.720 yeah, there's nothing to stop him putting it in.

00:14:10.460 I think it's going to be more honest to put it as a referendum,

00:14:15.660 But I don't think it will be done because what happens is when people vote in a referendum, they vote about a very specific issue.

00:14:25.480 And they say whether they like, whether they're pro or against the question.

00:14:31.340 But I think if he wants to do it without asking, he could tie it to his overall agenda because people in general elections vote for overall agendas.

00:14:43.140 Many people would say, well, I don't like joining the EU, but I like Burnham's economics.

00:14:49.780 I will vote for Burnham because overall, I think his agenda is better than the agenda of other parties.

00:14:56.100 That's how several people would think.

00:14:59.220 And he doesn't strike me as particularly honest.

00:15:02.980 So I think he's going to do that.

00:15:04.400 Oh, absolutely.

00:15:05.040 But even if it were just simply to pledge another referendum, look, I'm going to be blunt with everyone.

00:15:11.020 If there were another Brexit referendum, the case for Brexit would not win it because we simply do not have the demographics that we had even 10 years ago.

00:15:21.680 And it's that simple.

00:15:23.680 I'm not even going to provide any caveats to that.

00:15:26.460 That is a harsh truth of the situation.

00:15:30.040 And to be honest with you, I just really, more than anything else, because they have this idea in their heads about rejoining the EU.

00:15:38.860 Oh gosh, if we could only stick it to those gammons who got a bit uppity and rejoined the EU and our wonderful European partners, all those absolute titans of Europe like Ursula von der Leyen and Macron and Mertz, all these wonders of the European political scene who are just so much better than us, then everything would be fine.

00:16:01.200 But obviously, if the plan is for Britain to rejoin the EU in Burnham's lifetime, well, I wouldn't necessarily count on the EU being governed by the same people who run it now, given the way that things are currently going.

00:16:17.740 Now, for one thing, of course, Nigel Farage, and whatever my opinions and problems are with Nigel Farage and Restore Britain and everything that he's done since Brexit, and even in many cases looking back at some of his reasoning for why Brexit would be a good thing for the country, he was formidable during those years.

00:16:39.300 I do appreciate everything that he did in order to get that over the line, because it undoubtedly would not have happened without him.

00:16:47.100 But ultimately as well, Nigel Farage himself is a Brexit hangover.

00:16:51.700 He himself is anachronistic.

00:16:53.520 Didn't he also leave the political scene after the referendum?

00:16:58.580 He did.

00:16:58.860 he would expect if he campaigned for that for years he would have stayed in order to to help

00:17:07.340 steer the ship towards the right direction right well he hadn't he had no role i mean he couldn't

00:17:12.580 have done anything because the tories would have had to have made him a lord or something like that

00:17:16.940 in order for him to have a role yeah which they were never going to do um and so we end up in

00:17:23.500 this position where the worst nightmare that I have is just retreading that entire bloody episode

00:17:31.420 all over again, the whole of faces, because as I say, it's just a fog at this point. It would

00:17:36.800 simply be a distraction. We are running out of time on the question of demographic security,

00:17:42.360 and we know damn well that our government are more than capable of securing the borders,

00:17:49.420 that all of this fluff about the fact that, oh, well, because we're not cooperating with our

00:17:55.320 European allies as much, because we're not integrated into the EU, we just can't defend

00:18:00.180 our borders. It's like, no, but you can coordinate with them as readily as you want

00:18:05.800 with the French to import tens and hundreds of thousands of illegals that you all, by your own

00:18:12.660 words, by the words of the Home Secretary and the leaflets you print out, you readily accept that

00:18:17.020 these are rapists that you're bringing over. Also, as well, Shabana Mahmood has stripped

00:18:24.160 citizenship from several people, including an actual British man.

00:18:29.820 Former police officer.

00:18:30.620 Right. Former police officer. And so the government revealed to us all the time

00:18:36.860 that they have the power to do these things. It is simply a question of will. They do not want to

00:18:43.820 do these things. Absolutely. I mean, if it was, you know, several hundred thousand young Russian

00:18:49.680 women turning up on the borders, that border would come slam shut harder than you can imagine. But

00:18:55.200 yeah, it's a choice. Of course. And so, but depending on how quickly Burnham moves with

00:19:03.960 all of this and whether or not his government feel confident and obviously will have a better

00:19:10.500 idea of all of this as we see the moves that they make between integration with the European Union

00:19:17.900 again. Although this is, of course, not to forget that if we had to, now that we are formally

00:19:24.220 outside of it, to actually join ourselves back up again would mean that we would have to sign up to

00:19:29.660 everything, including adopting the euro, which is not something that anybody would want to do,

00:19:35.900 and certainly not me. I think they would probably slow roll it. They would say,

00:19:39.980 okay, we're going to have some sort of agreement

00:19:42.260 on cooperation and borders and intelligence,

00:19:45.320 and they would filter it in,

00:19:47.220 and they'd salami slice us back in

00:19:50.300 until we're basically back in,

00:19:52.740 but we don't get any influence, that kind of thing.

00:19:54.480 It could also be possible to do something like,

00:19:57.920 if the UK rejoins the EU,

00:20:01.180 it could be possible to do something like what Denmark did,

00:20:05.020 that it negotiated very, very toughly its introduction in it.

00:20:12.260 But I don't think that the government of Andy Burnham

00:20:16.960 is thinking particularly like the Danes did.

00:20:19.380 No, I don't believe he is.

00:20:21.900 And the other thing as well is that if the media decide

00:20:26.100 that what they're going to do is just gin up this entire thing

00:20:30.280 and try and force the public to be hysterical about it again,

00:20:34.120 then it could well put a little bit of momentum back in Reform UK with Farage being Mr. Brexit

00:20:43.060 and someone that, look, I don't trust Farage on basically any issue at this point, but I would

00:20:50.100 think that if he had been in charge of government at the time, he'd have at least had a good go

00:20:55.800 at trying to give us an honest version of Brexit. However, the fact of the matter is that we're not

00:21:01.780 in that world. And as I say, more and more, it's not just about who can implement Brexit properly.

00:21:08.320 It's also about who can we trust with the entire domestic policy of Britain and who can be prime

00:21:15.020 minister that, you know, that earns our trust with all of that as well. So you get Pippo,

00:21:20.980 can't even, Carrera, saying Nigel Farage claims that Andy Burnham has given him the biggest boost

00:21:28.340 in my career by reviving the Brexit debate, which he said has reopened a huge flank to his party.

00:21:34.020 And I do think that there is a part of that which is true. But of course, as I say,

00:21:38.000 the North Star for us isn't a question of this or that on Brexit. It's a question of

00:21:44.420 gaining power over government so that we can use parliamentary sovereignty to restore Britain.

00:21:52.580 And there might even be a party that has that on the tin.

00:21:58.140 So the other thing as well, of course, is that, as I say, all of these cities have become even more diverse, even more nomadic.

00:22:06.000 And again, we just have these residual figures from pre-Brexit, like Sadiq Khan, who's still cling to power because the demographics of London rig it in his favour to do so time and time again.

00:22:19.920 who is talking about, he just goes on to give, again, it's just the same bloody list of arguments

00:22:26.000 we heard 10 years ago, and they will not let it go. But in this case as well, he's talking about

00:22:31.480 the fact that, well, it's really important that we side with our European allies, because obviously

00:22:37.740 we've got the big bad MAGA over in America, and obviously the EU is trying to bring Kani

00:22:43.720 and Canada into closer cooperation with them as well.

00:22:49.200 And they're looking at everything going on in the world

00:22:51.740 and people like Khan and people of his ilk think that,

00:22:55.640 oh God, if we could only get behind the last vestige

00:22:58.740 of the rules-based order that is just suicidally committed

00:23:03.020 to the annihilation of Europe,

00:23:05.540 if only we could support those people,

00:23:08.780 then it'd all be great because he is obviously someone

00:23:11.300 who doesn't care about the actual survival of Europeans.

00:23:16.420 Then as we go forward as well,

00:23:18.640 we just have people like Michel Barnier,

00:23:20.960 and it's like, oh God, all these faces.

00:23:23.180 Names I've not thought about in years and years

00:23:26.220 just coming back to boast at us and Guy Verhofstadt

00:23:30.720 and all those terrible people from the time of the referendum

00:23:34.140 to gloat at us, even as they tried to partition our country

00:23:37.460 And punish us because, again, come back to it, the EU obviously hates democracy.

00:23:45.560 And this is true for all of its member states.

00:23:48.800 It's true in the way that they treat Le Pen.

00:23:51.620 It's true in all of the maneuvers they've tried to do to outlaw the AFD.

00:23:56.520 But they cannot hold back the storm because the problems that plague the continent are the same problems that plague us.

00:24:04.160 And for the Labour Party to have not learned a damn thing and think that it can just retreat into the sanctuary of the EU, well, I'm sorry, it's not going to happen because I doubt by the time if it did hypothetically happen, people like Mertz and Macron would still be towards the top of it with von der Leyen.

00:24:26.600 You're going to be getting people like Alice Fiedel.

00:24:28.960 You're going to be getting people like Le Pen.

00:24:30.740 You're going to be getting all the people that they would call the big bad far right

00:24:34.680 who were ruining Europe at the top now of this Tower of Babel that they constructed.

00:24:39.400 That would be funny if there was a massive hard right takeover across Europe

00:24:43.820 and then he's already committed us to a referendum.

00:24:46.660 I'd be really conflicted at that point.

00:24:49.860 Right. I mean, there is actually something I think you bring up that's worth addressing as well,

00:24:54.560 which is, in principle, even if we got based fortress Europe, where all of the walls, all the Mediterranean was locked down,

00:25:03.640 people stopped coming across it, Lampedusa was restored, Ceuta was sorted out, everything was sorted,

00:25:11.280 and we had no more immigration into Europe. We just stopped it because everyone decided that it was killing us, which it is.

00:25:18.260 I still would not want to rejoin the EU because, principally, it was built on the sovereignty of Britain.

00:25:24.560 And our right to do what we want and to choose and forge our own destiny in the world. And I still believe that part of it as strongly now as I did 10 years ago when I was just entirely just going purely off of vibes and idealism. Some might say very little has changed, but nonetheless, I think the intuition was right.

00:25:44.640 And it was clearly one that the broad majority of the British public chose as felt as well.

00:25:50.440 And when I say the British public, I mean those who are actually natively British and from the heartlands, not the cosmopolitans who are allowed to vote in the original referendum and thereby dilute, of course, you know, the weight of it.

00:26:07.700 So we get people like Bridget Philipson, absolutely wonderful standard midwit of the Labour Party, talking about the fact, well, moving closer to the EU is essential to stand proud in the world and secure growth, says Philipson.

00:26:22.960 It was over 10 years ago now that our country voted for Brexit, and it hasn't delivered the

00:26:27.980 benefits that were promised. You didn't want to deliver the benefits that were promised for one

00:26:33.940 thing. You wanted to hamstring it, to vindicate yourselves and say, we told you so, and take us

00:26:40.040 back into it. So don't take us for fools. We understand that very clearly. And then you've

00:26:45.060 got people like, this is timed brilliantly, isn't it? Pedro Sanchez, currently government going on

00:26:51.200 collapse because, again, can't do a bloody thing right for his own people. Talking about what a

00:26:57.300 huge loss, both for the British people and for the European Union, European project as a whole

00:27:03.640 Brexit was. If the United Kingdom were to make such a decision, Spain would welcome with open

00:27:08.800 arms and once again embrace our friends in Britain. I bet you would because we were the

00:27:13.020 second highest contributor to it, weren't we? And you'd like our money back. And then you get

00:27:18.400 Macron as well, saying Brexit is the biggest lie of the last 30 years. Sorry, Macron, isn't your

00:27:24.240 entire country currently on fire? Because students are going about and rioting and tearing down the

00:27:31.320 schools because they lack the resources in the schools. Make it make sense. But again, and you're

00:27:37.160 on your way out. It seems that Le Pen is ascendant, if what the polls say to be true. And so I'm not

00:27:43.520 taking lectures from all these washed up politicians who are on their way out, who were despised by

00:27:50.900 their own people, and yet still have the temerity to act like they have any authority on this

00:27:57.300 question whatsoever, especially when the EU has been such poison for their own nation states.

00:28:04.920 And then I'll just conclude for the sake of time with this quip from Lisa Nandy, who says,

00:28:10.080 well we don't have more control over our lives over immigration over the economy and well as

00:28:15.940 i wonder why that is right and if the government has something to do with it yeah because they

00:28:20.400 don't want to and everyone can see this now and also the eu you know lets them back in treat some

00:28:27.260 it's just incredibly frustrating i can just feel myself getting irritated by the idea of

00:28:34.620 entertaining, dragging all of this back up again, when really, though obviously there are many

00:28:40.940 within the EU establishment who are enemies of Europe, first and foremost, it is our own

00:28:47.740 establishment that is the enemy. And everything that has happened both before and after Brexit

00:28:54.580 has only exposed that truth to more and more people, because they can see now that actually,

00:29:00.640 when left to their own devices and when Britain has a higher level of independence,

00:29:08.440 the governing elites still choose to betray us, on and on. And this scrutiny has certainly brought

00:29:16.940 us up to speed with how despised they are as well. The vote was a cry to our establishment

00:29:23.020 to hear us, they purposefully misheard us, and they are the enemy. And we will have all the time

00:29:31.180 in the world to settle the question of Brexit and what is our actual relationship with the European

00:29:37.560 Union once we have a restored Britain government, once we have actual power, once we've instituted

00:29:44.700 mass deportations, and once we actually are in charge of our own country again.

00:29:49.600 great do you want to read some of the comments yeah i can quickly while we're in the in-between

00:29:56.460 bit samson could you turn the air conditioning on because it doesn't seem to be on yes i am

00:30:01.780 bloody baking baking it's not that cold uh five dollars thank you chris says i said exactly the

00:30:08.840 same thing dan uh why wouldn't they betray you they didn't want it in the first place it's like

00:30:13.500 asking the fat kid not to eat the sweets yeah good point uh tom rat says he's welcome to try

00:30:19.640 reversing brexit he may even get 50 in the referendum but i don't need 50 vote if i can

00:30:26.420 win a majority of seats on policy of criminal charges for uh continuity remain uh five dollars

00:30:32.940 from scott c guy says never forget how nigel betrayed gerard batten the good man yeah absolutely

00:30:39.940 Gerard was one of the many people that Farage betrayed, and you're right, he was top chap.

00:30:46.040 Habsification says, our elites and institutions want all the power and none of the accountability

00:30:50.140 because their interests align with the EU. If any issue shows up, you will be mired in the

00:30:56.720 bureaucratic nightmare of the EU. Yeah, absolutely, they love it. And Ochedore says, let them eat cake.

00:31:02.720 right so give me the mouse and samson if you could please load my segment it would be greatly

00:31:12.480 appreciated great thank you leave control to me i'm gaining control okay awesome this sunday

00:31:27.540 Brazil voted for presidential elections, federal Senate elections, and also for their

00:31:33.820 chamber of deputies. And it looks like the family of Jair Bolsonaro is having a comeback.

00:31:41.780 That was a bit unexpected on the Lula camp, and we'll show you plenty of their reactions

00:31:49.320 and also talk a bit about what happened. Now, one thing to say is that there is going to be

00:31:54.600 a second round for the presidential elections. So they're not yet over, but the elections for

00:32:03.060 the Senate and the chamber of deputies have finished and they have staged incredible wins

00:32:11.560 for Flavio Bolsonaro, who's the son of Jair Bolsonaro. Right. So there has been a first

00:32:18.180 round of the presidential? There has been a first round of the presidential election.

00:32:23.560 plus Senate elections plus Chamber of Deputies.

00:32:27.960 And Bolsonaro Jr. won the first round?

00:32:31.680 Yes.

00:32:32.340 He has a close to 2% lead.

00:32:35.660 Right, so let's look at this here.

00:32:38.140 Lula is a bit sad.

00:32:40.800 He called the results of the first round unexpected.

00:32:44.600 Now, I don't think they were particularly unexpected,

00:32:47.380 and you will see why.

00:32:48.360 We have here from Reuters, close to 56.1 million voters supported Flavio Bolsonaro, 53.8 million voters supported Lula, and the 50% threshold hasn't been met by either, which means that they're going to go for the second round in the near future.

00:33:15.020 right um we have several interesting stuff here something to say about you know those of us who

00:33:23.660 work on the social media sphere these two lads lucas pavanato and nicolas ferreira are young

00:33:30.780 right-wing influencers who achieve the highest votes in the history of brazil's chamber of

00:33:36.400 deputies so congratulations brazilian zoomers is that what we've got congratulations to them

00:33:41.860 Let's move on. So the Wall Street Journal has an article here with respect to how the Bolsonaro

00:33:50.280 family made a political comeback. And it's a very interesting one, but I will show you a bit more

00:33:56.400 from the, that shouldn't have been there. Sorry, we will make an edit here. This article shouldn't

00:34:04.560 have been there. It may be my mistake. Right. So, when it came to the issues here that the

00:34:13.960 Brazilians were particularly unhappy with, the cost of living is arguably number one.

00:34:21.360 The anti-Lula narrative has been the same for many, you could say, years, even decades.

00:34:30.600 But what was really changing here was the economy. We know about Lula's involvement

00:34:38.400 in major scandals. We know about how the Brazilian courts have annulled his involvement

00:34:45.460 due to proceedings, procedural matters. People know about his involvement in corruption. People

00:34:53.040 know about his state interventionism. People know about his very positive approach towards

00:35:01.260 communist dictatorships like Venezuela and Cuba. But what was really a tipping point here was the

00:35:09.780 economy. And this is an article by Reuters saying, in Brazil, frustration of a cost of living

00:35:15.960 undermines Lula's re-election bid.

00:35:19.440 And it says here that unemployment and household debt

00:35:23.240 have reached near record levels for Brazil.

00:35:27.440 Economists say years of price hikes weigh in voters

00:35:30.360 despite recent falling inflation.

00:35:33.500 And candidate Flavio has, Flavio Bolsonaro,

00:35:37.680 has blamed President Lula for high cost of living.

00:35:40.960 And this is a pattern you see.

00:35:42.660 There are several people who are supporting Lula who are saying that the economic indexes of Brazil are showing some sort of progress, but this progress is definitely not visible or felt to the average Brazilian.

00:36:02.600 The average Brazilian thinks that the economy is particularly bad for them.

00:36:08.600 That is why Lula here says, who is 80 years old, let's put this because he doesn't have momentum.

00:36:15.560 This will come again in the segment.

00:36:17.500 He's asking voters for patience, which means that he does understand that the economy isn't felt positively by the average Brazilian.

00:36:30.520 He is saying that he has record low unemployment and falling inequality in recent months of easing inflation, but the Brazilians are not buying it.

00:36:46.100 Right, so let's talk about The Guardian here.

00:36:51.020 They have an interesting article, and I will say this because I didn't expect The Guardian to say the things I'm about to say to you.

00:36:59.640 Right. They're saying that for several reasons, Lula is going to lose. It's nearly impossible for him to win the second round. He lacks momentum for several reasons, one of which is the movement, they call it Bolsonaroismo, having made several advancements in the culture and having an increasingly stronger foothold in it.

00:37:29.400 Right. Let's say here, let's talk about what they're saying. They're saying, first of all, the evangelical church. The evangelical church has experienced an increase in membership.

00:37:43.080 They're saying about a third of the Brazilian population now is evangelical Christian and pastors with millions of followers on social media, but also millions of evangelicals have campaigned for the Bolsonaro family.

00:38:01.880 So they're saying that this is one of the major factors aiding the Bolsonaro family.

00:38:10.000 urban violence this is one of the major things that is plaguing brazil it's not exactly a society

00:38:20.820 where violence is a foreign word and doesn't exist in the vocabulary in fact it's sadly

00:38:27.700 known for lots of criminality in the favelas and the cities it's not exactly new and as you would

00:38:38.200 expect Lula is the left-wing candidate. Is he particularly hard on crime or not?

00:38:44.760 I suspect not. No, he isn't particularly hard on crime. The Guardian now calls this

00:38:52.540 concern a concern of security populism. And it says that people like us and people also

00:39:00.060 on the Brazilian, in the Brazilian society who are talking about crime from a right-wing

00:39:09.020 perspective, they are security populists. And Flavio Bolsonaro says that he is going to go

00:39:15.360 full Bukele mode. Because there's no other way to deal with the rising violence in the favelas

00:39:22.480 in the country. I mean, and presumably he's noticed that if anybody with his surname ever

00:39:26.860 loses an election they go straight to jail for life yes so i mean what reason if if you're

00:39:32.540 bolsonaro would you not have to go full monte at this point well you could say that it's an issue

00:39:40.000 it has nothing to do with the family although yeah we are talking about actual politics in brazil so

00:39:47.240 yes he will have uh considerations coming have you got that bald psycho in the segment you know

00:39:52.860 one yes right okay yeah we will get there let's let's get there in a bit right but from a brazilian

00:39:59.900 perspective if there is crime that isn't dealt with that you do want something to be done about

00:40:07.020 it you could say that bolsonaro could do it for wrong reasons but if he did it and it achieved

00:40:13.540 the results it has achieved in el salvador it would be good for brazil it would promote the

00:40:19.820 Brazilian common good. Now, here they are also talking in The Guardian about Lula's campaign,

00:40:25.740 and they're saying that his campaign lacked energy and that his position on crime isn't

00:40:33.620 particularly convincing to the average Brazilian. And they're saying something really interesting,

00:40:40.220 and that's exactly what I wanted to show, because it isn't of interest just to those

00:40:45.620 from Brazil watching us, it's interesting to everyone. And particularly interesting why

00:40:52.320 that The Guardian is writing about it. They're talking about political analyst Thomas Trauman,

00:41:00.180 who was spokesman for the former left-wing president Dilma Rousseff, believed Lula's

00:41:07.440 third administration had ignored a large chunk of society that was unsatisfied over economic issues

00:41:14.840 or because of controversies involving the Supreme Court.

00:41:19.480 Now, what do we see here in Europe?

00:41:23.360 We see several people who are dissatisfied with the status quo,

00:41:29.540 and they're voicing their dissatisfaction,

00:41:32.120 and the response of the establishment is to say,

00:41:34.940 you're a far-right-wing extremist.

00:41:36.820 That's exactly what also the Brazilian government is doing,

00:41:41.020 the administration of Lula.

00:41:42.320 the third administration of Lula, is doing according to this political analyst.

00:41:47.260 Well, and clearly it's working out just as well for him as it is for our European leaders.

00:41:52.080 Yes. And let me highlight this quote by that analyst. The government treated any kind of

00:42:00.660 criticism as a display of fascism, which undoubtedly exists in Brazil, and elitism,

00:42:06.780 which also exists. But what also exists is a group of voters who expected more from the government

00:42:13.120 and who are neither fascists nor elitists. They're simply people who didn't like the government and

00:42:19.180 decided to punish it. Why am I saying this? This is precisely the modus operandi of Western

00:42:25.560 governments, particularly those Western governments that are left-wing, not, for instance, Trump in

00:42:32.360 the US. They constantly imply that everyone criticizing their agenda is beyond the pale.

00:42:42.060 And you'd expect them to want to crack down on social media. And Lula absolutely wanted to crack

00:42:50.900 down on social media. And one of his main aides in this is the person Dan referred to as the bold

00:42:59.660 psycho, Alexander de Moraes. Proper nutter, but a judge. Do you know what he said about free speech?

00:43:08.080 Nothing good, I'd imagine. Nothing good. He said when he was having spats with Elon Musk,

00:43:13.720 Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexander de Moraes continues his feud with Elon Musk. This

00:43:19.140 is from two years ago. He says a freedom of speech does not give people the right to spread hatred.

00:43:24.880 He then insinuates that Elon Musk is an alien from outer space.

00:43:29.260 That's Candace Owens' level of conspiracy territory there.

00:43:32.700 But let us focus a bit on this.

00:43:34.620 Freedom of speech does not give the right, according to Alexander de Moraes, of spreading

00:43:40.280 hatred.

00:43:41.440 How did his government, how did Lula's government use it?

00:43:45.560 They used it in order to say that every, every Brazilian who is dissatisfied with Lula's

00:43:53.640 handling of anything is a far right-wing extremist, racist. This is a problem. When

00:44:01.420 you've got people like him, as you say, absolute nutters, is saying, oh, well, it doesn't give you

00:44:06.260 the right to hatred. It's like, okay, but there is no way on earth I'm trusting you to define

00:44:10.700 hatred when you basically think that everything other than socialism is fascism. Hatred is

00:44:17.060 disagreement with the latest progressive so-called win. But also, I'm sorry, sometimes

00:44:25.060 groups, individuals do things that justify hate, that justify you having an angry reaction to what

00:44:36.520 they're doing in the same way that I hate what our government are currently doing to us and

00:44:42.540 continue and will continue to indefinitely do to us for as long as things continue as they do

00:44:48.620 so this entire idea that like oh well we should just live in the world without hate

00:44:53.080 when has that world ever existed it has never existed but when the left says they want to live

00:44:59.200 in a world without hate and that there is no room for hatred of course they mean that they are

00:45:04.540 they think that their political opponents should be prosecuted when they disagree with them and

00:45:10.080 they're going to use the word hatred as the justification for persecuting them, such as

00:45:18.200 when Alexander de Moraes says free speech isn't the speech, the freedom to insult someone

00:45:25.440 or spread hatred. Well, he will define hatred the way he wants it. The Guardian also talks about the

00:45:32.280 global far right and about, you know, the role of the social media. But I want to say the other

00:45:38.220 thing. I want to respond here to the Guardian, because I think that this is, in some respects,

00:45:42.820 it's correct. In others, it's missing something. The left is internationally minded and internationally

00:45:50.720 organized. That's why, for instance, you see protests burning down France right now with

00:45:58.020 the flags of Algeria and Palestine. Why? Because the left is internationally minded and organized

00:46:05.420 and has the Russoian spirit of saying that unless everyone is free, no one is free,

00:46:13.160 and they are going to define freedom. Of course, freedom in their minds is the world is as I want

00:46:19.760 it to be right now. And if it isn't, I feel that I can use violence in order to bring it about.

00:46:27.280 This is the mindset of the current left. And Lula has placated that left. He has placated

00:46:35.340 the international left, and you can see this from the alliances that he has formed and his sympathies

00:46:42.620 on the global sphere. Right, you see here Bolsonaro supporters being out on the streets,

00:46:52.900 being particularly happy. Flavio Bolsonaro says here, thank you, God, thank you, Brazil.

00:46:58.380 The country has spoken at the ballot boxes for change and for the future, not only in the

00:47:03.860 presidency of the republic but also in the senate and the chamber of deputies the overwhelming

00:47:08.960 majority we achieved in congress will bring back the legal security of the country so desperately

00:47:15.280 needs to grow the federal legislature is set up for a president like flavio bolsonaro and he goes

00:47:22.620 on he's congratulating his uh team he does look a lot like his dad yes yes um let's move on he says

00:47:33.000 here that he wants to go for Bukele, much longer sentences and many new prisons if necessary.

00:47:39.900 And this is a point that several people are making. It's, is it a coincidence that ever

00:47:46.780 since Trump stopped USA funds flowing into Latin America, the left wing parties have

00:47:55.880 a tough time scoring political wins? I don't think it's a coincidence. Now.

00:48:01.300 that's what Lula meant when he said that the result was unexpected. Yes, exactly. When it

00:48:08.100 comes to USAID, lots of the previous funds that the US was giving to Brazil, they were named as

00:48:18.700 funds for things like campaigning for reforestation, campaigning against the

00:48:25.320 deforestation of the Amazon. But there is always the question of trust. And I don't trust the

00:48:34.600 Brazilian government of Lula to be honest about what they're doing with their funds. In the same

00:48:40.540 way, I don't trust almost any government in Africa saying that the money that they are taking for

00:48:48.220 particular purposes are going to be spent in those activities instead of being spent in consolidating

00:48:55.780 the power of third world dictatorships. Right. Yeah, there is, this isn't a coincidence. I don't

00:49:04.340 think it's going to be a coincidence. Right. And as you would expect, there is total meltdown

00:49:09.620 in the Brazil's left X. Just like old times. Yeah. Young Lula voter records a message after

00:49:17.500 of the first round of the presidential election,

00:49:20.420 she says that she really, really hates

00:49:22.560 Bolsonaro, Trump, and Musk.

00:49:25.060 Yep, suspicious bullring here in the nose.

00:49:29.920 The other crying influencer here

00:49:32.940 says that Valentina Bandeira,

00:49:36.800 she's crying in video after the first round of election.

00:49:39.960 Results point to a scenario favorable

00:49:42.080 to Flavio Bolsonaro saying,

00:49:45.000 I'm desperate.

00:49:45.780 it. And here we have this, which is particularly funny, I'll say, if we translate it. It's

00:49:53.200 basically impossible for Lula to win the second round because all the other candidates, with the

00:49:59.060 exception of one, are right wing. We lost Brazil, the shield of the Americas won, and I see Cuba's

00:50:06.240 fog getting closer. Times of barbarism, dispossession, devastation in ecocides are coming.

00:50:13.220 By what criteria, especially if, because obviously I've no idea how honourable or trustworthy this new Bolsonaro government are going to be, it could end up just being a great disappointment and not doing the things that needed to be done, as his father did, that got into this position where Lula regained power in the first place.

00:50:34.760 But if it is going to take a more Buccalian philosophy in this manner of government, then what she's talking about here is like, well, she foresees times of barbarism.

00:50:46.260 It's like what? Like the gangs that Buccalian put away of dispossession of what?

00:50:51.360 Of the people of El Salvador or Brazil, in this case, feeling safe in their own country again, actually feeling like they do possess their country.

00:51:00.100 And obviously, and with that safety and hopefully with the reduction of crime, you will see more investment coming into the country.

00:51:08.100 People will be more inclined to set up domestically their own business because they know they're not going to get their own shop window smashed through every other week, et cetera, et cetera.

00:51:16.740 And in terms of the devastation, it's like, look, there is clearly no limit to what the left will do to just terrorize their enemies.

00:51:26.140 And so I'm not taking these lectures.

00:51:27.960 we see what happens each and every time people like her get into power, and it is always a disaster.

00:51:36.120 One thing to say to mention both sides, because it's an interesting thing in itself to try and

00:51:42.200 understand the politics of Brazil, is that they have the memory of the dictatorship from 1964 to

00:51:48.440 1985. And it was brutal. And this has been one of the main reasons, one of the main elements

00:51:57.800 of the Lula narrative,

00:51:59.660 that the Bolsonaro family has expressed admiration

00:52:04.240 for the bloody and torturous dictatorship

00:52:09.140 of 1964 to 1985.

00:52:12.540 And I mean, I can understand people

00:52:15.420 not wanting to live in such a dictatorship.

00:52:19.280 I can understand people

00:52:20.920 not wanting to live in such a regime.

00:52:23.260 Absolutely.

00:52:25.420 That said,

00:52:27.800 Lula has proved that he is corrupt.

00:52:32.620 He has proved that he is soft on crime,

00:52:35.400 which means that whether it's centralized

00:52:38.580 or decentralized, crime does go on.

00:52:41.640 And also he is supporting bloody

00:52:43.840 and repressive dictatorships across the world.

00:52:48.520 Obviously, he's gonna say that he's doing it

00:52:50.740 for the progressive cause and for Palestine.

00:52:54.200 And without Palestinian liberation,

00:52:56.080 There can be no Lula Brazilian liberation, as they say and as they were saying in South Africa when Nelson Mandela got elected first, where he was saying without Palestinian liberation, there will never be true South African liberation.

00:53:13.640 But yeah, it's not exactly that these regimes are, you know, are stranger regimes to barbarism, dispossession, devastation, and even ecocytes.

00:53:27.880 let's, there's all sorts of things we can talk about in the SSR. But one thing to say is that

00:53:34.560 we can talk about the Brazilian dictatorship and any kind of dictatorship, left-wing, right-wing

00:53:42.220 in perpetuity. But one of the things that the electorate wants is a better future.

00:53:51.540 We can talk about the past. We can definitely talk about history. But the electorate cares about the near future. In some cases, we would say that they should also think in a more long term perspective as well. But they care about the near future. And Lula hasn't shown them that he can deliver them a greater future.

00:54:14.180 And coming back to the dictatorship, there are many people with living memory of Brazil's dictatorship, and some of them are voting for Lula, not all of them.

00:54:27.100 But the young generation that hasn't lived through the dictatorship seems to be coming more and more and more right wing and they care for a better future.

00:54:39.000 They don't care about what happened decades ago, although arguably to an extent they should care, but they care much more about the near future.

00:54:48.460 And they are overwhelmingly siding with Bolsonaro.

00:54:52.960 And this is something that every political party should notice, and every party, both in Brazil and outside Brazil, should remember what The Guardian says here, quoting political analyst Thomas Trauman, who was supporting the left in Brazil, who says,

00:55:15.040 as a self-criticism,

00:55:17.940 the government treated any kind of criticism

00:55:20.280 as a display of fascism.

00:55:22.900 But what also exists is a segment,

00:55:27.040 a very big segment of the population

00:55:29.180 that isn't fascist.

00:55:30.660 It just wants a better future

00:55:31.900 and it doesn't want their country

00:55:33.560 to be destroyed or liquidated.

00:55:36.400 And yes, I'm happy to see governments

00:55:39.360 who are playing this despicable card losing.

00:55:42.680 i think that lula doesn't have momentum no one thinks he does so yeah just bye bye lula

00:55:51.200 um yeah here's scott's guy says dan what the f are you drinking out of

00:56:01.380 drinking horn well it's because in the chat for ages they would they would say dan's got the horn

00:56:10.720 and i hadn't is at home so i brought it in excellent human 17 says if every britain

00:56:18.460 knows who buddy care uh vote um votes for restore britain and tells a friend why nothing can stop

00:56:26.520 the return of common sense the revival of her history culture tradition and language yep right

00:56:33.460 yeah

00:56:34.860 pull my segment up

00:56:39.240 so nobody expects the plague

00:56:43.900 but it's back

00:56:45.440 dun dun dun

00:56:47.360 look at this let me get the mouse

00:56:49.660 so plague

00:56:51.380 key facts

00:56:52.320 I mean I'll save you the

00:56:54.780 it's bad

00:56:55.980 oh yes I'm well aware as an amateur historian

00:56:59.580 I can't remember

00:57:01.600 which of these bullet points is but but but i mean i i remember hearing about the black death at

00:57:06.780 school and i mean i'm no historian but my main takeaway was that this is bad so there we go

00:57:15.480 so there you go there's there's a key facts on the plague um uh caused by a bacteria

00:57:21.240 uh yes sinner pestis actually i won't read the words i won't read the words it's too complex

00:57:29.360 Sounds terrible.

00:57:30.180 Yes.

00:57:30.840 Just the words.

00:57:32.020 Yeah, here we go.

00:57:32.740 Actually, I've got some notes I made for you.

00:57:34.940 So casualty fertility rate of 30% to 60%.

00:57:41.000 And I think it knocked out like...

00:57:42.980 Fatality.

00:57:44.020 Yes.

00:57:44.440 Not fertility.

00:57:46.400 Quite different.

00:57:47.080 No.

00:57:47.540 Quite different.

00:57:48.780 Yes, fair point.

00:57:50.320 Fair point.

00:57:51.720 Yes, I will accept that correction.

00:57:53.780 Okay.

00:57:54.220 And I think it swept through Europe, didn't it, in the 1300s?

00:57:58.120 Yeah, it came over from the far east of Asia and swept totally across.

00:58:02.440 And then the Mongols catapulted their dead and diseased over the walls of somewhere, you know, along the fault line of the border.

00:58:11.420 And obviously, as well, a lot of Venetian traders bringing it back through shipping as well.

00:58:16.420 And then eventually it got all the way up to dear old England.

00:58:19.580 Yeah, I mean, presumably we got it from France.

00:58:21.920 Yeah, I imagine so.

00:58:23.000 There's all bad things coming from France.

00:58:24.160 In fact, it might have been from Venice, actually, some parcel. I can't quite remember.

00:58:27.480 i think so i think so yeah so anyway um having established that the plague is bad

00:58:33.220 um yeah slightly concerned by this so uh basically an a russian anti-plague institute staff are

00:58:42.400 isolated after a worker's death and there we've got a picture of a workplace that i would suggest

00:58:50.140 that is not a good idea to work at i mean if you're turning up for work every day and your

00:58:55.340 workplace looks like that i mean you're just asking for trouble really aren't you yeah you

00:58:59.680 wouldn't catch me working in a place like that yeah um if for those of you who are listening

00:59:04.840 it's basically loads of smiley happy people um and they've each got like a little desk shiny

00:59:10.160 happy people laughing yeah but they've got but they got bottles of plague and stuff on their

00:59:14.560 desk which they they're just you know happily stirring around and doing whatever science

00:59:18.520 people do

00:59:19.140 with their

00:59:19.480 bottles of plague

00:59:21.340 Dara

00:59:23.720 Dara

00:59:25.760 Dara Shiplov

00:59:27.040 28

00:59:28.540 she worked at the

00:59:30.160 Erichkutsk

00:59:32.040 oh god words

00:59:33.980 anti-plague research

00:59:35.840 institution in Siberia

00:59:37.260 which handles

00:59:37.700 what was her name

00:59:38.220 what was her name again

00:59:40.040 Dara Shiplov

00:59:42.420 I'm going to call her

00:59:43.380 Dara Shiplov

00:59:44.260 yeah

00:59:44.760 it's very sad actually

00:59:46.060 she died

00:59:46.700 yes

00:59:48.140 she handles oh i'm just going to call it the plague not the fancy name uh bacterium responsible

00:59:52.960 for plague she became seriously ill on the 29th of september and died on the 2nd of october for

00:59:59.400 me rapidly progressing if you know me uh punomia oh pneumonia pneumonia oh yes don't let that p

01:00:06.960 deceive you yes you pneumonia why do they put bloody peas in words anyway okay um and um yes

01:00:15.900 so apparently she may have broken a test tube now as somebody who has to i mean it's more

01:00:25.100 honorable than eating a bat that ate itself that yeah we'll give you that i don't think the people

01:00:31.140 in the wuhan institute also might have eaten a bat mightn't they well also this sounds like a more

01:00:36.520 believable way for it to happen what breaking a test tube yes than all of the conspiracies

01:00:43.180 around wuhan because the last time was and we didn't because they tried to hush it up for ages

01:00:48.260 but the last time it was something about somebody who worked at a virality lab crossed the road

01:00:53.940 and ate a pangolin which is like a small armadillo or something yeah they're very cute he ate it

01:01:00.380 well i mean why else would chinese people go to a wet market i mean they don't

01:01:05.380 it's a little pet shop is it do they have the concept of a pet shop no i think they

01:01:08.340 i think they go to the one in the same i think they go to wet markets to have lunch

01:01:13.240 but he's got live animals i don't i don't fully claim to understand it but um yeah no this time

01:01:19.300 it's a test tube apparently which is um yes so the details i got from this uh yeah she she may

01:01:26.180 have broken a test tube containing the plague um on the 25th of september and subsequently developed

01:01:32.360 pneumonia plague which is which is that's all happened really suddenly yes um i have got

01:01:39.280 a timeline in here but i wanted to establish facts first because you know proper journalism

01:01:44.600 all that sort of thing um yes oh yeah okay and and then um so the the issue is is russia originally

01:01:53.360 came out and said um one of our researchers who was working on the plague died of plague

01:02:00.520 and that sounded bad so after that went out somebody else came along said no no no no no

01:02:06.280 no no she just got ill don't worry about it no no plague was involved in the plague

01:02:10.700 specialist person just because the plague tube broke yes um doesn't don't don't don't

01:02:18.020 dial it back a bit chaps um and and so my plague oh actually i've got i've gone one link too far

01:02:25.940 i've lost track anyway um yeah so roughly 200 contacts of hers were put under observation

01:02:32.020 and 60 institute staff were isolated um in in the hospital where she died so yes pretty bad

01:02:38.840 um the head here we go this is the point i was going to so the head of neighboring

01:02:43.060 it's a russian word initially referred to her dying from play before modifying his statement

01:02:50.420 um yeah and um so so now the russian line is no laboratory accident and that she died from

01:02:57.260 pneumonia pneumonia or unknown ateology well to be fair sorry if if the case is uh so she became

01:03:05.540 just reading from your notes here she became seriously on the 29th of september and died on

01:03:10.520 the 2nd of october that does seem like a very very short time span for someone to die of plague so

01:03:16.080 I'm not convinced that it would have been plague on that alone,

01:03:19.020 because obviously it was a weeks-long disease

01:03:22.140 full of slow suffering and then eventually death.

01:03:25.860 Yes, almost certainly.

01:03:27.400 So the expert reaction is, okay,

01:03:34.640 so they're saying that the key point from this article

01:03:37.720 is the difference between 1348 and current year

01:03:42.460 is this is a bacteria, not a virus,

01:03:47.040 and modern antibiotics work against bacteria.

01:03:52.620 So basically they're saying, you know, don't worry too much.

01:03:56.120 As long as we make early identification,

01:03:58.320 we can do a bit of tracing,

01:04:00.160 and we can get you an antibiotic,

01:04:03.260 should be all right.

01:04:06.940 Well, um...

01:04:07.800 So don't panic.

01:04:09.080 Well, I'm sure...

01:04:10.040 So we aren't dying.

01:04:11.060 well no big pharma will save us once again

01:04:14.600 will i have to wear this ridiculous mask with a with a huge nose like bane it might come to that

01:04:24.060 it might come to that but at the moment the people who know stuff are saying don't panic

01:04:29.600 don't fret yes it is yes it might be the plague the russians are saying the russians were saying

01:04:34.780 it's a plague and now they're saying it's not death is normal well yes but the experts are

01:04:39.700 saying you don't need to worry that much because bacteria are basically easier to kill apparently

01:04:44.940 than a virus so should be right should be right all right good but that is reassuring but they

01:04:52.100 did say that before covid didn't they um oh they they said a lot of things yes and then they decided

01:04:56.940 to panic about it anyway so um the the key the key thing we got to tease out is what is the difference

01:05:03.360 between 1384 and now so i'm actually going to refer to an ancestor of mine um so this is uh

01:05:13.220 sir daniel tab of uh he was steward to the bishop of winchester in 1384 and um back then the way

01:05:21.940 you got the plague is you get bitten by a flea yes yes apparently also as well if you if you

01:05:29.440 don't mind me saying no you know i'm not trying to have a go at your ancestor yes but his nurses

01:05:34.600 don't seem to have had a particularly good medical training i mean where's the plague doctor outfits

01:05:40.460 and it looks like they're doing a perfectly serviceable job to me um anyway so you get

01:05:45.140 bitten by a flea uh and then a few days later you get a bit of a bit of a fever a bit of a chill

01:05:49.960 um and then you get swollen lymph nodes they they start to go and then you get this sort of

01:05:55.620 In fact, we can see it here on my ancestor there.

01:05:59.120 He's got a swollen bulbo, I think they called it.

01:06:02.540 Horrible.

01:06:03.160 Yes.

01:06:04.160 They often also appear in the groin and armpit, which is...

01:06:08.700 You have the Lannister house symbol there.

01:06:12.740 Yeah, they stole it.

01:06:14.320 Okay.

01:06:14.760 Yeah, they stole it from my family.

01:06:15.860 From house tub.

01:06:16.980 Yes.

01:06:17.440 Yes.

01:06:18.240 Yes.

01:06:19.000 And the problem with 1384, you see, is that there is no antibiotics.

01:06:24.460 Hasn't been invented yet.

01:06:25.620 um listen can we do something about this about this pus

01:06:30.760 blood and pus being set uh organizing there is it distracting you how big and bouncy it is

01:06:40.480 and someone break it right um i don't know if that's i don't know if it's a good idea to do

01:06:47.000 that sort of thing um anyway so you got it you got about 30 to 60 chance of uh dying when it

01:06:53.540 gets to this stage which is a bit bad um but if it gets into your bloodstream or your lungs

01:06:58.540 uh that is the um oh i put it in the note somewhere um whatever curtains yeah that that's

01:07:06.460 when it gets um pneumatic that's when it gets pneumatic and then you're basically dead in a

01:07:11.260 couple of days however nurses aren't wearing masks well we didn't have that sort of medical

01:07:16.520 technology back then um however of course um we are not in 1384 we're not in 1384 um we we now

01:07:27.420 are in a slightly different situation so uh these days the idea the idea is basically that you get

01:07:34.780 a fever you get your symptoms and you ring up the hospital and you say look i might have been

01:07:40.260 exposed to plague um and then they would take a blood sample and then they'd give you loads of

01:07:45.840 antibiotics uh and if you if you get if you get plague early and you get the antibiotics basically

01:07:50.920 you're fine oh right that's the idea yes having said that the uh the waiting times on the nhs

01:07:58.640 aren't spectacular these days so a lot might go terribly wrong in that interim yes so so that

01:08:05.440 that's that's what i thought as well so but so basically um i i was getting that from from the

01:08:11.340 um uh the who the the world health organization oh yes yeah because they they they sort of just

01:08:16.080 say yeah no look you get this it's it's basically fine uh but then i thought okay well yeah but

01:08:20.880 it's not actually how it works is it so the revised timeline i put together so you get you

01:08:25.460 get um infected by what why don't you like the other one uh i know there is something here i

01:08:32.360 find more appealing that's a visual qualities okay anyway so you you get bitten by you get

01:08:38.820 bitten by your bug actually i prefer the other one as well um you get bitten by the bug and on day on

01:08:44.800 day you know first day you feel fine and then you're the you're bubonic plague starts you get

01:08:50.960 the fevers and the chills and the you know crushing fatigue headaches all that sort of stuff and you

01:08:56.100 start to get these bulbo things yes and then you have these nurses come over and take care of you

01:09:03.180 Well, if they're part of your household, then I presumably would.

01:09:07.560 Anyway, so you get those.

01:09:10.240 But at this stage, depending on how big the bulbo things are,

01:09:14.380 you might think that you've just got a really bad flu.

01:09:17.740 Right, so days three to five, you could reasonably be tucked up in bed

01:09:22.840 just thinking, bugger, this is a bad, bad flu.

01:09:27.500 So day five, you get in touch with the, you know, the GP.

01:09:32.000 and you say, look, can I have a GP's appointment?

01:09:34.140 And they'll say, sure, in about three weeks we'll give you one.

01:09:37.780 And after three weeks is just a phone appointment?

01:09:42.060 Yes, yes, quite possibly.

01:09:42.900 Are you dying?

01:09:44.360 Yes.

01:09:44.740 No?

01:09:45.220 Of course you wouldn't answer three weeks later because you would actually be dead.

01:09:48.680 By the time you get into your sick stay,

01:09:51.000 you should be now at the point where very, very sick.

01:09:57.140 I mean, you should know that you're dying beyond even sort of flu stage

01:10:00.220 and you should have the postural things going on.

01:10:04.000 So then you go down to the...

01:10:06.160 I'm going to have to do it.

01:10:07.560 I'm going to have to do it.

01:10:08.200 So then you go down to A&E

01:10:10.020 and you're now on day six or seven

01:10:13.300 when you just can't bear it anymore.

01:10:16.340 And you might have to wait in A&E for a while.

01:10:21.980 I mean, what's the longest wait

01:10:23.080 you've chaps have ever had in A&E?

01:10:25.820 Three and a half.

01:10:27.440 Three and a half?

01:10:28.040 Well, that's not too bad.

01:10:28.860 yeah a few hours i've not had to use it much thankfully thankfully i regularly hear from

01:10:35.520 people who sort of sit there for sort of six to eight hours or something like that because the

01:10:40.100 last 24 hours once it's got into the the bloodstream or the lungs that last 24 you're

01:10:45.380 basically on a clock right and if you're just sat there coughing around in the a and e room whilst

01:10:51.240 yes you're waiting to be seen yes if so if you catch it before that stage get the antibiotics

01:10:57.360 you should be good uh but if you're if you're six hours into the um into the um the the last 24 hour

01:11:04.820 bit um sepsis uh blood oxygen is going um very very badly uh 12 hours you know severe hypoxia

01:11:13.060 septic shock 18 hours um i mean you're basically now at the point where maybe with modern treatment

01:11:20.100 you might be saved um and then once you're in the sort of 18 to 24 hours um yeah basically

01:11:26.180 basically sort of multiple organ failure you're gone um which is horrible it's very sad yes

01:11:33.500 um and and okay and then what i mean what saves you is i mean it is just antibiotics so that is

01:11:41.820 good um and apparently i was reading on the who website um actually fine let's go back right i

01:11:47.600 was reading on the who website um that um if you get the intravenous um antibiotics that's even

01:11:54.980 better you get a treatment of that and they recommend it for 10 to 14 days and basically

01:11:59.720 you're you're good to go so you know is this the same plague as in 1348 well actually yes

01:12:07.320 um it basically is it's just a very slightly different strain that has potentially been

01:12:12.960 released and is is is striking its way across Siberia um to us as we speak it's going to come

01:12:19.840 from the mongol step again it's just yes and and then i thought to myself okay right well um

01:12:26.940 what what is the mortality um impact of something like this if it if it does get through if it if

01:12:35.120 it does impact us and then i thought because uh because because i'm starting to get old now

01:12:39.540 i started to realize i'm going to have to age segregate this um and um i put in uh this because

01:12:49.560 of a good segue,

01:12:52.060 which I've...

01:12:52.480 Oh, I remember why I forgot.

01:12:54.320 I'm getting old

01:12:56.520 because it's her birthday today

01:12:58.040 and Dragon Lady Chris

01:13:00.160 was the first to remember

01:13:02.020 on Substack.

01:13:03.180 Happy birthday.

01:13:03.680 No, on Substack.

01:13:04.440 Oh, happy birthday.

01:13:05.500 Thank you very much.

01:13:06.340 I hope you have

01:13:06.920 a very plagueless birthday.

01:13:08.340 Yes.

01:13:09.080 And she remembered

01:13:09.980 on Bo's Breakfast.

01:13:10.960 So she is the standard

01:13:11.940 by which all subscribers

01:13:13.300 must be compared to.

01:13:16.040 But if you're not a subscriber,

01:13:17.300 go here and then

01:13:18.060 you can get into it.

01:13:19.040 anyway so then i looked at the uh the breakdown of of you know who gets it by age and basically

01:13:25.480 children are pretty much fine in fact if anything they're probably safer than adults because

01:13:31.980 you might sit in a bed as they were in covet yes you might sit in a bed well i mean well i mean

01:13:38.520 it affects them basically equally as an adult but while you might sit in a bed for five days with

01:13:42.260 something that looks like a flu no parent is going to tolerate that for five days and therefore

01:13:46.500 children more likely to get and he's all about being seen quickly this kind of thing however

01:13:50.220 the big problem um is is the boomers because basically they they they get it twice as bad

01:13:58.420 so they've got a casualty fertility rate of like 42 as opposed to 19 um in modern case well nothing

01:14:04.920 that a full global lockdown wouldn't start again i'm sure yes and and and that's what slightly

01:14:10.760 worries me you see because um last time there was a bit of a health scare um as soon as the

01:14:17.860 conservative government realized that it was their voters who might potentially die i mean that was

01:14:23.100 just it wasn't it it was just right shut it all down all the jobs well apart from the jobs we

01:14:28.000 actually need the the essential ones but shut it all down shut down the school shut down the

01:14:32.520 workplaces don't let people into supermarkets unless they're wearing the the silly thing

01:14:36.880 and pray to the cult of the nhs until we're relieved of us and yes yes and you had to

01:14:43.240 i think it was mandatory to go outside and bang pots and pans together at eight o'clock every

01:14:46.780 night in while chanting the something about the it did feel pretty bloody close to mandatory

01:14:51.500 yes so um um hopefully we don't get we don't get to that point now that apparently the nightmare

01:14:58.460 scenario um is that we we end up getting a sort of um an inhaled version of this so this this is

01:15:06.640 potentially what happened because that 28 year old you would think being 28 that she's um

01:15:12.900 you know vibrant yeah prime of life yes yes exactly um but apparently if if you breathe it in

01:15:21.980 then you go you skip the first six day bit and you get straight into the critical 24 hours

01:15:28.240 um now normally that wouldn't worry you that much um but of course it was developed in a

01:15:35.800 in a weapons lab yes there is always that yes aspect of it yes it is it is a bit worrying

01:15:45.020 so i mean basically if you get normal plague um the experts think that it's not necessarily

01:15:50.560 going to kill us all and even if it does get established um standard antibiotics and masks

01:15:55.720 might actually work this time because it's a bacteria not a virus which is which is much

01:16:00.880 much smaller and a bit of isolation and you can pretty much do it um there are versions of the

01:16:07.680 plague which are antibiotic resistance but apparently they're incredibly rare but this

01:16:13.080 was a weapons lab so there is that um so if you get antibiotic resistance as well i mean that that

01:16:19.560 that's the next level up um and level three is what i was talking about there which is if if it's

01:16:24.160 been deliberately aerosolized which apparently is a thing that weapons labs can do then everybody

01:16:33.380 kind of skips the first six days bit and go straight into the 24-hour bit which is a bit

01:16:38.140 nasty um and if and if you've um also got the broad antibiotic resistance with the fine aerosolization

01:16:46.760 um then you could be looking at a genuine plague however uh good news people um who

01:16:54.560 world health organization um who was so good last time with covid have have apparently looked into

01:17:01.100 it and they don't feel uh that that is going to happen this time um and and they they were broadly

01:17:07.500 accurate last time around weren't they so should be all right so i think we're going to be okay

01:17:13.880 um and actually even if it if even if it is the nasty weaponized version the good news is that

01:17:21.560 this is if it is the proper weaponized version the good news is this will kill you so quickly

01:17:27.080 that it's actually quite a bad spreader oh how ethical yes i was beginning to i was beginning

01:17:32.920 to worry just for a second that we were weaponizing plague uh to essentially eradicate millions of

01:17:39.980 people over prolonged deaths but now that i know it'll be instant i'm well no no no or could be i'm

01:17:45.640 much more the reason the reason that's a good thing is because what you don't want is somebody

01:17:49.120 to to get something and then walk around thinking they're fine and spreading it and then die you

01:17:54.640 kind of want them to get it and then just like straight away right yes and if it does that

01:17:58.880 apparently that makes it a very bad spreader yes and therefore people can actually just you know

01:18:03.540 hold on for a few days and then you're going to be all right yes you know it's quite morbid but

01:18:07.000 he's a very very funny man

01:18:09.060 is John Cleese

01:18:10.980 and he was tweeting out the other day

01:18:13.200 about the fact that you know he's getting on

01:18:15.220 a bit these days and he was thinking about what

01:18:17.080 a very funny

01:18:18.200 and fitting way for him to die might be

01:18:21.140 and perhaps doing the old Monty Python

01:18:23.140 Holy Grail bring out your dead

01:18:25.460 you know sort of skit

01:18:26.920 just one more time where

01:18:29.020 he was you know throwing someone on the cart

01:18:31.140 and this time it's the first

01:18:32.520 I think he'd find that very funny

01:18:34.520 I did reply to him.

01:18:36.220 I hope you live for a long time yet, John.

01:18:37.940 Oh, me too.

01:18:38.540 But when you do, die of something funny.

01:18:40.880 Yes.

01:18:41.180 Because that would be in character.

01:18:42.600 Yes, it would be.

01:18:43.620 Yes.

01:18:44.220 So, you know, wanted to keep people informed

01:18:46.740 because you know what it's like with governments

01:18:49.180 and health scares these days.

01:18:52.200 Governments and plague.

01:18:53.580 Yes.

01:18:54.380 Everybody remembers the last time we had a global panic.

01:18:57.800 So, you know, heads up, another one might be coming our way.

01:19:02.040 Let's hope for the best and hope there's no more lockdowns.

01:19:05.680 All right.

01:19:06.800 Excellent.

01:19:07.600 Let's go to the comments.

01:19:11.720 Bless you, Luca.

01:19:13.120 Oclador says, but they said COVID was the plague.

01:19:16.660 Well, we've got another one now.

01:19:18.460 What about second plague?

01:19:20.180 But this one is actual plague.

01:19:22.840 O'Puck says, I've been reliably informed by my government

01:19:26.260 that plague escapes from Ritska wet market

01:19:29.720 where a Russian man ate an infected dolphin sandwich.

01:19:34.780 It doesn't sound very ethical, that.

01:19:36.780 Fact check, true.

01:19:38.240 Yeah, hapsification says you can see why Russians said

01:19:40.920 you didn't see graphite on the roof.

01:19:45.800 Yeah, it's a noble reference.

01:19:47.600 Ah, right.

01:19:48.920 Okay.

01:19:50.180 You also said, did everybody just forget that Russia was at war still

01:19:53.600 and now they have an outbreak of the plague?

01:19:55.960 Yes, I mean, when it rains, it pours, doesn't it?

01:19:59.720 um oklador says uh so dan will you test this and uh claim you have uh the plague and go to hospital

01:20:06.860 no i would like to avoid it personally and um a scottish guy says uh i live in cyprus

01:20:13.220 greek culture can save all i say no more what yeah okay does that mean anything to you yes

01:20:20.860 Okay

01:20:21.780 Video comments

01:20:23.840 Do you rather have a democracy

01:20:27.780 Or access to abortions

01:20:30.780 Either or

01:20:32.820 I feel like that's a very tough question to answer

01:20:36.360 I feel like that's almost

01:20:37.420 Not possible to answer

01:20:39.880 I feel like there's

01:20:40.600 I couldn't pick one or the other

01:20:42.180 Even if you had to choose

01:20:43.460 I had to choose

01:20:44.800 Can we get a final answer?

01:20:47.920 I know it's hard

01:20:48.740 I guess access

01:20:50.340 access to abortions

01:20:52.500 crazy

01:20:54.580 and then never be able to vote your way out of a

01:20:57.020 situation of reversing it

01:20:58.740 yeah

01:21:00.540 mental

01:21:01.300 mental

01:21:02.740 so in light of the orange man

01:21:07.120 trying to do patronage by

01:21:09.100 you know promising a stimulus check

01:21:10.880 to everyone if he gets elected

01:21:12.240 this is like really bad patronage

01:21:14.700 because it's a one-off event

01:21:16.140 so once it's done it doesn't guarantee

01:21:18.660 any loyalty from the people, because they'll probably forget about it anyway.

01:21:22.040 The best kind of patronage is where you set up an institution for your constituents,

01:21:26.620 say like the TSA or the DMV, where it explicitly brings in people that vote for you to work

01:21:33.700 in it, and thus guarantees their support in future elections.

01:21:39.060 Yeah, no, I think that's a great point.

01:21:40.840 Well, it's in the same way, isn't it, that the Tories kept guaranteeing votes through

01:21:45.080 a pension triple lock just election after election come what may yeah well they all do it yeah

01:21:52.080 europe warmed and the need for fur to turn into felt subsided new fabric technologies like cotton

01:21:59.360 took over and the fur trade withered realizing the shift in the market the natives increased

01:22:04.000 production of their delicious pemmican to trade to travelers and eventually understood they must

01:22:08.560 encourage europeans to settle so they could learn the secrets of agriculture which like metalwork

01:22:13.880 the North American natives did not invent.

01:22:16.700 Settlers were welcomed and interbreeding created a new tribe in Canada

01:22:20.100 skilled in agriculture called the Métis.

01:22:24.440 Interesting. Sorry, I've obviously missed a bunch of these,

01:22:27.780 but that was really interesting.

01:22:30.620 Okay, let's go to the comments.

01:22:32.640 Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex says,

01:22:35.120 did you lads see a 15-year-old reform activist was arrested

01:22:39.480 for saying someone looked like a rent boy?

01:22:42.340 No, I don't, but we will check this out.

01:22:45.860 That is actually a worrying story, yeah.

01:22:47.360 Bo mentioned it this morning.

01:22:49.220 Okay, so maybe Bo.

01:22:50.460 He didn't say he was a rent boy.

01:22:51.960 He merely said he looked like a rent boy,

01:22:53.800 which, if anything, should be a compliment,

01:22:55.460 because presumably if you can charge for it,

01:22:58.340 you're in demand.

01:23:00.060 Yeah.

01:23:01.220 Is that the same with a lady boy?

01:23:04.360 No.

01:23:05.020 Well, presumably they don't need to be good-looking as well.

01:23:06.900 I mean, who would want an ugly lady boy?

01:23:08.580 so would starmer have been arrested if it has said that those four ukrainian models looked like

01:23:16.100 well presumably not right institutional privilege you you would have thought yes

01:23:20.900 okay okay um do you want to yeah i can do it uh memo done 2010 says uh why do we not have the

01:23:28.140 ability to hold our politicians and the political parties to account with legal proceedings for

01:23:33.560 breaking their manifesto promises. If we could, they would be far more careful about how they act.

01:23:40.440 And if there were consequences, not only that as well, I feel like it would certainly sieve out

01:23:45.960 a lot of the riffraff of people who decide to make political careers for themselves if they

01:23:52.220 thought that there would actually be consequences to getting it wrong and not just failing upwards

01:23:57.360 like people like Nick Clegg infamously did.

01:24:01.320 Obviously, Restore Britain are campaigning on at least prosecuting many of the people

01:24:09.440 who betrayed us for the worst things that they did.

01:24:11.860 So it's a step in the right direction if that comes to pass.

01:24:15.560 Henry Ashman says, rejoining the EU would not be a revert back to 2015

01:24:19.500 like I suspect the remainder types expect.

01:24:22.400 We're becoming in fresh with no special abilities or requirements.

01:24:25.620 I suspect the EU in order to make it very clear that there are consequences for leaving will make us grovel in the way that the French did to Germany at the Treaty of Versailles.

01:24:35.600 So I'd expect the EU, the euro to be forced upon us, maximal free movement, especially of migrants, loss of all fishing rights in our waters, minimal EU funding and massive amounts.

01:24:46.220 Yeah, I could certainly see us penalizing us and just being petty despots over us, too, which is one of the reasons why we obviously wanted to leave, because they were tearing away at the dignity of Britain, what dignity it had left.

01:25:01.480 Turns out that we didn't realize how popular, you know, dismissing the dignity of Britain was with our own British leaders.

01:25:09.180 um mark sermon says brexit saved about 30 of britain's value if you compare gb uh gbp to

01:25:18.080 uh uh uer versus usd uh since 2016 uh and then do you want to go for your segment stelius yeah

01:25:26.900 of course right sophie live says yeah forgiveness and kindness only work when both sides agree to

01:25:35.200 it if the other side refuses your kindness will be taken as weakness and they'll just end you and

01:25:41.240 take your stuff that's correct arizona there's a rat you can regulate others emotions hatred will

01:25:49.080 always exist thank you for your hateful yet truthful comment michael draibelbis meanwhile

01:25:57.420 Now AOC is wondering how much is a Brazilian dot, dot, dot.

01:26:02.740 Good one.

01:26:04.780 That Dutch guy didn't even go for a head Brazilian, did he?

01:26:06.960 He went for the full Hollywood.

01:26:11.740 Lancelot.

01:26:12.740 Leftists are tolerant of anything except criticism.

01:26:16.960 Canis Familiaris says he's fixing South American elections,

01:26:21.320 the u.s version of setting up a quango to keep power influence after you personally live office

01:26:28.680 like a little offshore account your political opponents can't easily empty we'll see dan you

01:26:36.860 want to read some of yours yes uh sophie live um seems quite keen on this she says i'll be finally

01:26:43.140 getting that zombie outbreak that i know a lot of people have been preparing for their entire lives

01:26:47.540 Also, this is the perfect month for it.

01:26:49.820 You see, Sophie's going to scream Allah Akbar when she sees this.

01:26:54.500 What makes October particularly good for zombie outbreaks?

01:26:58.240 I know, it's World War Z.

01:27:01.580 Well, it's all quite, it gets a bit greyed and a bit doused.

01:27:07.420 I'm definitely wrong about this.

01:27:09.280 Sophie obviously has very specific grades.

01:27:11.820 I would like to know the reason why October is going to be elated when it happens.

01:27:16.480 I didn't realise it was a seasonal thing, but it must be the case.

01:27:20.460 George Hanson says, you know the plague is bad because Russia made it.

01:27:24.780 Now are we able to talk about who made COVID and who released it into the world?

01:27:28.620 Yeah, there was a thing for a long time.

01:27:30.480 We just couldn't, there was loads we couldn't say on COVID

01:27:33.400 because YouTube Terms of Service basically just said you can't.

01:27:37.220 But if we ended up calling this the Russian plague, that would all probably be...

01:27:41.420 Well, presumably that would be bad.

01:27:42.720 Yes, I mean, at the moment, I mean, I didn't mention the title,

01:27:44.880 but I decided to call it the just-as-British-as-you-are death

01:27:48.520 because I think the old name...

01:27:50.920 Well, but we've progressed since the Middle Ages, haven't we?

01:27:53.400 Yes.

01:27:53.680 We're more inclusive now.

01:27:54.840 We didn't realise that that term was racialist,

01:27:58.460 so we changed it.

01:28:04.180 Henry Ashman says,

01:28:05.340 it's a good job that fleas can't swim

01:28:07.200 and Britain is an island nation.

01:28:09.220 All we need to do is close the borders.

01:28:12.460 Yeah.

01:28:12.740 Well, they didn't even bloody do that, did they,

01:28:15.080 in the middle of the last pandemic?

01:28:16.380 That was about the only thing they didn't do.

01:28:18.460 No, actually, they brought in millions of people

01:28:21.140 while we were all locked down.

01:28:22.400 Yeah.

01:28:23.140 Millions and millions of people.

01:28:24.880 Thought we wouldn't notice, but we did.

01:28:28.380 Yeah, that's worrying.

01:28:32.320 Oh, and AZ Desiree, she's given me another medical detail

01:28:35.220 that I didn't manage to extract earlier.

01:28:37.820 Don't forget the pneumonic plague.

01:28:40.380 in the 14th century

01:28:43.780 yes

01:28:44.200 pneumonic

01:28:45.280 is it

01:28:45.740 I'm going to go with pneumonic

01:28:46.700 pneumonic plague

01:28:47.600 in the 14th century

01:28:48.420 the bubonic plague

01:28:50.240 bacteria changed

01:28:51.820 and combined

01:28:52.500 with other bacteria

01:28:53.720 to become the pneumonic plague

01:28:55.480 even worse

01:28:57.180 plagues combining together

01:28:59.180 yes

01:29:00.080 and they killed Pericles

01:29:01.240 bastards

01:29:02.520 and

01:29:03.540 long time no see

01:29:05.680 says something

01:29:06.080 which is a

01:29:06.580 possibly a bit

01:29:08.100 fed posty

01:29:08.860 um yeah does does seem might might might skip that one insightful though a long time no see

01:29:15.660 very insightful it's an interesting point i just i'm just not supposed to say certain things well

01:29:20.820 it's about time anyway isn't it yes it is about time right thank you very much brother dan thank

01:29:27.140 you very much brother luca and i hope you enjoyed this and see you tomorrow at 1 p.m goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 06, 2026

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