The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1522

00:00:00.000 Hello there, friends, and welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Eater's episode 1522 on today,

00:00:06.800 the 7th of October, 2026.

00:00:12.540 Am I supposed to say something?

00:00:14.100 Oh, okay. I just thought if anything was going to be said, I said I thought we'd get it out of

00:00:19.320 the way nice and early, but that's all right. Well, in that case, today we're going to be

00:00:23.020 talking about mogged on the GDP versus Tucker's...

00:00:27.920 This is a somewhat clumsy title for the time being.

00:00:31.340 I'm good at content.

00:00:33.280 I'm really bad at titles.

00:00:34.580 If you can think of a better title,

00:00:35.900 I'll change it before it goes out on YouTube.

00:00:37.520 That's all right.

00:00:38.460 Mog gets mogged.

00:00:40.700 I don't know.

00:00:41.580 Well, it's a work in progress, folks.

00:00:43.480 Basically, we're going to be talking about 1.00

00:00:44.760 Jacob Rees-Mogg being a massive retard 0.99

00:00:46.860 and Tucker Carlson sadly kind of matching his energy 0.96

00:00:49.840 in many ways.

00:00:51.200 Oh, also Connor's here.

00:00:52.500 Hello.

00:00:53.020 nice to feel welcomed

00:00:54.520 also Connor's going to be talking about 0.99

00:00:57.780 the incompetent cowards running Britain's 0.99

00:00:59.940 government 0.99

00:01:00.280 I was going to say makes sense that the segment looks so long

00:01:04.040 on the page

00:01:04.440 and I'm going to be talking through some of the

00:01:07.900 events that have been going on at the Tory party conference

00:01:09.920 that's going on right now and how the

00:01:11.960 Tories really are very

00:01:14.020 proud of the Boris wave have we had some chat

00:01:16.080 suggestions I've just noticed that

00:01:17.720 our notes are 53 pages

00:01:20.100 long and I know that mine is one

00:01:22.320 So 49 of those yours, Connor.

00:01:25.200 That's fine, I'll breathe through.

00:01:26.200 Yeah, yeah, Connor talks at, what, three times speed,

00:01:28.620 so it'll be absolutely fine.

00:01:30.540 And with that, let's get on with the news then, folks.

00:01:33.140 Oh, right, sorry, I was chuckling.

00:01:35.300 You know, a drama, I suppose, right?

00:01:36.820 Okay, right.

00:01:37.360 Dan's exact words before we came on air was,

00:01:39.220 I am a professional.

00:01:40.580 Well, more or less, anyway.

00:01:42.940 Right, so you may have noticed this interview

00:01:46.420 that Tucker did with Mog,

00:01:48.700 that seems to have got a bit of reaction.

00:01:50.240 and over the weekend my feed in particular was full of people like Ted Cruz for example

00:01:55.660 trying to mog Carlson because he doesn't understand GDP or something now I mean basically

00:02:02.140 the whole interview was people talking past each other making a series of points that just don't

00:02:06.940 align on their value spectrum with each other at all that's because the respective ambassadors of

00:02:12.460 their portion of

00:02:14.860 state influence. Like, Mog is basically

00:02:17.060 the uniparty

00:02:18.700 in traditionalist 0.98

00:02:21.260 cosplay, trying to convince us to go

00:02:23.140 die for Ukraine. And Tucker is

00:02:25.100 the,

00:02:26.280 as Rory put forward in an excellent

00:02:29.040 substack, the alternative

00:02:30.880 media marketing arm of

00:02:33.140 essentially a CIA countergang

00:02:35.040 that wants to manoeuvre America's

00:02:37.360 foreign policy away from Israel towards China.

00:02:39.740 Has he got CIA backing then?

00:02:40.960 his dad ran voice of america is like no it's just that meme where you're pulling on a rope and i'm

00:02:49.660 there's me and i'm looking around and there's cia and i'm like what's what's going on here then

00:02:54.700 um but yeah so i mean this is an example of it i've just typed in you know tucker gdp and um if

00:03:01.020 i can figure out how the blood here we go there's a mouse um yeah um brutal exchange um you know

00:03:07.480 stuff like that um well this one you know uh this is absolutely priceless um there's there's a whole

00:03:15.520 bunch of it i mean this particular feed is a bit more balanced but my one was was very much i mean

00:03:20.440 there is there is something there's a uniting factor between all of the uh accounts talking

00:03:25.340 about this which is they all consistently have the best takes on twitter yeah yes but lots of people

00:03:31.840 uh one of the ted cruz one is in here because he was particularly brutal because there was that

00:03:35.500 exchange in a previous interview where where tucker pantsed him live on television yes because

00:03:39.900 because cruise didn't know the population of iran before waiting to invade it proposing yeah to put

00:03:44.200 it's funny how all these conversations involve speaking to somebody from the union party who

00:03:48.340 wants to do a war that does come up quite a bit so anyway we watch a bit of the interview itself

00:03:54.900 i won't i won't take long on this but this is the key bit that i wanted to get to this argument 0.95

00:03:59.520 about um is tucker stupid because he doesn't know that our gdp is bigger than russia's and 0.97

00:04:05.160 and therefore we are better, and we address that. 0.99

00:04:08.520 Much larger economy than Britain's, by, I think, basic measure.

00:04:12.160 No, no, no, it hasn't got a larger economy than Britain's.

00:04:14.320 It's got a smaller economy than Britain's.

00:04:16.020 It's got a larger military.

00:04:18.380 It's a much larger economy.

00:04:19.520 It has much more wealth and resources,

00:04:22.020 and it has a much larger manufacturing sector.

00:04:23.920 Its GDP is smaller than the UK's.

00:04:26.560 Yeah, but GDP is not, I mean, the only measure of an economy.

00:04:30.200 It's a pretty important measure of an economy.

00:04:32.640 It's one measure. 0.76

00:04:33.620 Russia is an economic failure.

00:04:37.120 But it could have a huge economy, 1.00

00:04:39.840 but it's got a small economy because it's deeply corrupt

00:04:43.280 and it hasn't managed to use its resources effectively.

00:04:48.080 And so although the population of Russia

00:04:50.820 is bigger than that of the United Kingdom,

00:04:52.800 very significantly,

00:04:54.280 its GDP per capita is so much lower

00:04:56.460 that the total GDP of Russia

00:04:58.760 is smaller than that of the United Kingdom.

00:05:00.320 Right.

00:05:00.660 That was the bit that got everybody reacting against Carson.

00:05:07.100 He's not wrong when he says that GDP is not the only measure of an economy.

00:05:11.540 No. In fact, I'm going to skew at that point.

00:05:14.320 I was going to say, isn't there measures like PPP, purchasing power parity, or whatever it is?

00:05:20.820 Yes, and I can bring that to life, actually.

00:05:23.700 I might just play a couple more clips.

00:05:25.600 I'll let you get to it then.

00:05:26.540 This is the one where, I think this is the one about 1945.

00:05:31.220 Is Britain a better country now than in 1945?

00:05:34.180 Depending on which side of this conservative divide you sit on,

00:05:37.120 you have very clear views.

00:05:39.200 People like us might say, well, actually, no, in many ways,

00:05:41.980 we're much poorer than we were in 1945, culturally, demographically,

00:05:45.520 all that kind of stuff.

00:05:46.880 But Mog is like, no, the GDP is higher.

00:05:49.080 What are you talking about?

00:05:49.940 True than it was in 1945?

00:05:50.980 Much richer. Materially, much richer.

00:05:54.060 Really?

00:05:54.640 Oh, yeah, GDP growth per capita.

00:05:56.280 GDP growth from 1945 until...

00:05:58.100 What was the unemployment rate in 1945?

00:06:01.440 Everyone was in the army.

00:06:02.000 Well, of course, you're in a war, right? 1.00

00:06:03.820 It's an unfair question, I agree with that.

00:06:05.780 But we've got much more welfare.

00:06:07.760 I'm not saying we've got no problems,

00:06:09.580 but has our GDP grown in real terms?

00:06:11.980 GDP is not a measurement of national strength or prosperity at all.

00:06:16.080 It is a prosperity.

00:06:17.060 Of course not.

00:06:18.180 It's a measurement of money.

00:06:19.980 How much money is in the system, but it doesn't account for where it goes.

00:06:22.500 Okay, we are better fed, we are better housed, we have conveniences that weren't even thought of in 1945.

00:06:29.440 Happier country?

00:06:31.020 Happiness is a different concept.

00:06:33.140 Suicide rate.

00:06:34.500 Yeah.

00:06:35.060 Yeah, of course, you don't want to touch on the happiness, Mog, because the misery that we're currently experiencing is in part your fault.

00:06:40.280 Because you were a government minister for 14 years and everything became measurably worse.

00:06:43.540 Yes. 0.89

00:06:43.760 I would, as has been said before, I would rather eat gruel in the dark for the next decade than have my kids become a minority in their own country. 1.00

00:06:50.800 Now fortunately we don't actually have to endure that because if we do just send all these people home 1.00

00:06:53.920 We'll actually become richer because they're only here because we're paying them to be here

00:06:56.960 So we can actually have a much happier country much more demographically and culturally cohesive 1.00

00:07:00.460 And also stop spaffing loads of money away on babysitting the third world

00:07:03.740 But Mogg doesn't want that because he thinks 1.00

00:07:05.220 Well it's not even that bad actually

00:07:06.580 And I will show you I'm going to skip a couple of clips

00:07:08.640 But they all kind of make the same point

00:07:10.380 I mean I suppose as well a better measurement for somebody like Mogg to compare to being a Gen Xer like yourself Dan

00:07:17.440 would be say are we a country that's better off since 1997 as we are today funny you should

00:07:25.780 mention that all right that is gonna that might be a better point of reference for him because of

00:07:30.020 course he's going to say well in the 1940s i don't even think the big mac had been invented yet yes

00:07:35.960 and think of all that gdp that you're missing so i'm going to do a bit of analysis now if you like

00:07:39.660 it you can actually go to our website and you can watch brokonomics and all of the other good stuff

00:07:43.920 that we do like these champs do it's only five pounds a month uh that's not much money now uh

00:07:48.660 if if you're not already a subscriber ask seriously what are you doing of your life

00:07:52.300 you're not generating our gdp that for a start uh but you have every month you make hundreds of

00:07:57.720 transactions to people that help you what about one transaction to people that that share your

00:08:01.920 views on stuff so um what i wanted to do is i wanted to pick a bit of russia so i picked uh

00:08:07.740 this town which is um basically it's it's a russian uh swindon is this going to be like the

00:08:15.240 inverse of when you drop a needle on india and find rubbish well i mean fair enough let's just

00:08:20.900 do that then where's the um little man uh let's grab the little man um stick him stick him i don't

00:08:26.660 know there you know what do we see um okay fam families out with their kids riding the bikes

00:08:37.560 children around clean streets um yeah fair point and and i actually did this exercise earlier i

00:08:44.780 just dropped it all over and what you see is yeah families kids nobody's worried about getting

00:08:50.060 stabbed um and and weirdly everybody there looks like the country that they're named after so they

00:08:57.360 all look russian now mog would look at this and he would say well where's your pakistanis where's

00:09:03.420 your extra where's your extra gdp i'm not seeing many barbers i don't see any dodgy takeaways

00:09:09.940 anyway yeah and i i did scroll all over and it just kind of looks sort of wholesome so anyway

00:09:13.860 here we go so let's compare swindon to a blintz and and this kind of cuts to the heart of the

00:09:19.340 issue that the two are arguing about between them so apparently the average wage in swindon is is

00:09:24.480 34 000 against whatever that is like a million rupees now if you translate it the way that mog

00:09:31.080 translates it he said rupees as india what is it rubles rubles rubles yes have we tried dropping

00:09:39.160 the little man in a random street in india i think that's a different segment but um maybe

00:09:45.520 that's a good lads hour at market exchange rate yeah drop a pin in uh russia and one in india and

00:09:52.140 then don't tell the audience which one it is and you have to guess can you tell which is which

00:09:56.260 might get harder if it's swindon versus india okay um so yeah the way that mog would translate

00:10:02.040 this he would say look um average wage in swindon is 34 000 and every average wage you know blitz

00:10:08.100 which i decided was a uh a russian version of swindon is 9 000 so okay you think right well

00:10:14.160 we're obviously vastly richer than russia then the issue is is when you translate it on a local

00:10:20.060 purchasing power basis in which case the gap mostly closes 34 000 to 23 000 um interestingly

00:10:28.440 the average homes are work out roughly the same so on market exchange rate they're 90 000 pounds

00:10:35.840 to buy a home versus 288 000 in swindon um but when you put it on purchasing parity basis i mean

00:10:42.920 it's still a bit cheaper but it's not that much and wages are slightly so actually it works out

00:10:46.640 was roughly the same to buy a home so i saw one of the criticisms of um carlson's second video on

00:10:53.220 russia when he was walking around the subway system and said this is actually quite clean

00:10:56.640 there's no crackheads you won't get stabbed and if you go to the supermarkets well the the food

00:11:00.540 prices look quite cheap so one of the criticisms was that actually compared to the average wage

00:11:05.460 and purchasing power in russia food prices are actually quite high because they have to import

00:11:08.800 so much of it but is that offset by the fact that energy prices are really really low so it depends

00:11:14.100 on what food you're talking about so so the issue is right is it feels in russia like you've got a

00:11:19.940 salary of 23 if you were living here so we're 50 richer than even on the ppp basis but it depends

00:11:27.640 what it is you're consuming right if you're buying an xbox or a graphics card or something imported

00:11:32.680 from the west or food stuff that you want imported from the west yes it's going to be expensive and

00:11:37.580 you're still going to be living as if you're earning you know the 9 000 but if you're consuming

00:11:43.280 um more local stuff and we come on to housing and such in a minute um then it actually feels

00:11:48.560 like you can go a lot further so so russia produces loads of its own starchy based foods

00:11:52.840 if you want to buy i don't know something that's that's coming from from elsewhere maybe a bit of

00:11:57.840 citrus based confectionery or something like that you know it's going to be a bit different

00:12:02.020 so it actually comes out about the same on housing and you feel slightly poor even

00:12:07.160 even after adjusting um but that's kind of the downstream effects is for start electricity is

00:12:13.340 fantastic heating your home once you got it is fantastically cheaper like 5x cheaper um taxes

00:12:19.780 are a lot lower so swindon council tax two and a half grand versus 190 pounds and that's after

00:12:25.060 the ppp adjustment not before it so i had to bump that up um and and basically if you were if you

00:12:31.820 were to calculate it the way that i think tucker would living in in a equivalent russian town

00:12:38.680 is a bit like living in 2005 uk if you calculate it the way that mog does it's probably equal to

00:12:47.060 1978 because he just wants to do a straight dollar conversion what is it as if we went on

00:12:52.400 if these two people went on holiday to russia to america so everything we just convert back into

00:12:57.920 dollars but they're doing it the way that i did it um i'm i'm pretty sure that the average russian

00:13:04.560 feels like we would have felt living here in 1990 1997 the exact number that you yeah that you came

00:13:12.260 up with um if you want to buy a home it feels about the same if you want to do everything else

00:13:16.840 if you want to go out with your kids and do stuff experience things go to restaurants all that kind

00:13:21.140 of stuff absolutely fine the only issue is if you want to import electronics you know ps5s and

00:13:27.580 graphics cards that kind of thing that's that's what that's kind of where it where it gets it a

00:13:30.980 bit tough um but now i wanted to address a bit more directly the whole issue that they're talking

00:13:36.860 about between them because um you know mog is basically just going on and saying well our

00:13:43.540 economy is bigger and therefore we're better well that's because we trade more in financial services

00:13:47.480 we have a lot more in um property and interest rather than actual resources and then the the

00:13:53.440 sort of joke that i purloined and told to you before we came on air yes as to why gdp is useless

00:13:59.020 it's illustrated by two economists are walking through the countryside and then they happen

00:14:04.340 across a cow pat and economist one says to economist two i'll pay you 100 quid if you eat

00:14:08.460 that cow pat and he doesn't want to do it but he wants the 100 pounds so he leans down and eats the

00:14:12.340 cow pat and they walk further on in the field and economist two to get back at economist one says

00:14:16.480 all right then i'll pay you 100 pound if you eat that cow pat and economist one thinks well all

00:14:20.520 right, I want my £100, so I'll eat the cow pat. And he stands up and goes, hang on a minute,

00:14:24.300 we've just traded £100 back and forth. We've both eaten shit. And he goes, yeah, but we generated 1.00

00:14:28.180 £200 of GDP. Exactly. And that's the thing that I think Mog is missing here, is that asset

00:14:34.760 management and advertising and administration, television production, conveyancing, they all add

00:14:42.780 to GDP the same way that producing steel or concrete or energy or anything like that.

00:14:49.640 And so what I wanted to do is look at the two economies, and I just wanted to do it on something that might actually be useful.

00:14:57.220 Because bear in mind, they're having this conversation in context of Mog saying, well, let's rush towards World War III. 0.74

00:15:04.360 Let's get to that point where we can get, you know, white boys killing millions of other white boys out and ditch somewhere. 0.85

00:15:10.620 That's the optimal position of where our country should be. 0.97

00:15:13.580 the premise being that russia is not actually a massive adversary because we have nominally got

00:15:20.100 a larger economy than them and so uh in terms of the war he's pitching we should be able to beat

00:15:23.920 them yes why can't you just immediately convert conveyancing or asset management or banking or 0.91

00:15:29.140 any of the stuff that we do i mean you can go to london and get 150 pound haircut whereas a russian

00:15:34.060 would just do it for like i don't know 50 rupels or something and we're like see we're richer we

00:15:39.040 can afford to pay more for our haircuts as if it isn't isn't just evidence for overpriced haircuts

00:15:44.700 well yes and and this is the thing this is this is where um many of the assumptions early on in

00:15:50.120 the ukraine war went wrong because it's like okay we'll look at the military spending that we can

00:15:53.620 give to ukraine the problem is is that the shells we're sending them cost 50 times as much as the

00:15:58.680 shells the russians are producing they still go bang same thing as with the iranians i mean the

00:16:02.880 americans missile defense systems are far more expensive things that missile defense far more

00:16:07.860 expensive than just the cheap drones and and ballistics that the that the iranians are 0.96

00:16:11.980 generating with the help of the chinese and the russians yeah and it's like you know our stuff we 0.97

00:16:15.540 can we can knock out their 50 grand drone with a 1.9 million dollar missile yeah yeah i'm gonna 0.55

00:16:23.360 so yeah let's compare the two so uh you know points to mog in our nominal gdp when um converted

00:16:30.500 back into dollars is higher than the russians you know about 50 percent higher fair enough

00:16:35.020 if you do on uh purchasing parity basis russia does have the largest economy

00:16:39.480 i would actually come down somewhere slightly in the middle of there but

00:16:43.340 okay population they're higher so i think you know basically when i get to this bottom of the

00:16:48.380 list i'm going to come down on tucker's side i don't think we should go and start world war

00:16:52.100 three with russia i think it'd be a bad idea uh now it starts to get telling right share of the

00:16:57.540 economy that is in manufacturing so for britain it's about eight percent for russians it's 14

00:17:02.140 um but with a with a larger population energy is absurd so i mean russia just has an overwhelming

00:17:11.280 energy advantage so we import getting on for half of our energy needs russia exports a large or

00:17:19.060 basically twice what it consumes in terms of energy um still not even close russia has a 26

00:17:26.840 times advantage on steel we import a lot of steel increasingly that one would be very important if

00:17:33.380 we ever found ourselves in a war situation if mod gets his way um aluminium or aluminum for

00:17:40.600 american viewers um yeah they're producing 130 times what we're producing um cement again 9x

00:17:48.420 what we're producing iron ore um negligible absolutely negligible against uh was that

00:17:57.300 90 million tons coming out um food um vast advantage 7x on wheat so this is the thing if

00:18:07.220 if you want to eat starchy foods you can eat very cheap in russia it's the imported stuff that is

00:18:14.060 the problem we again an enormous advantage again 7x um food self-sufficiency russia exports a lot

00:18:21.720 of food we import quite a lot of it the only advantage i presume we have is meat because yes

00:18:27.320 and and actually that's that's how if you wanted to push back on this what you'd say is if we ever

00:18:32.560 did find ourselves in world war three with russia we probably could feed ourselves because a

00:18:37.220 significant amount of grain goes to feeding livestock so on day one of the war you basically

00:18:42.380 just slaughter all the livestock um get rid of milk get rid of steaks get rid of all of that

00:18:47.500 stop feeding them grain and then we just switch to a grain-based diet and then with a calorie

00:18:52.080 reduction people wouldn't starve they just wouldn't be that happy and they wouldn't have

00:18:58.120 which you would have to expect during war so so okay first part of practical planning for world

00:19:03.780 war three we're doing jacob rees mogg's job for him now that's what this segment is practical

00:19:08.560 planning for world war three against russia we could potentially theoretically feed ourselves

00:19:14.060 yes okay great start no he'll still have his lunches in the carlton club oh yeah yeah you'll

00:19:18.900 be eating rations yes yeah i expect they will preserve some steaks but not for the likes of

00:19:23.780 us yeah well i might sneak i might sneak in but um for most of you are not getting steak

00:19:30.220 you're getting you're getting grains and cereals um hey bill gates might have been able to

00:19:35.740 manufacture some premium soy fake steak yes then yes you'll get plenty of that oh nitrogen this

00:19:43.640 one is absurd um we just don't produce fertilizer inputs uh russia produces loads so we ever did 0.99

00:19:50.700 come down if mog ever gets his war so that we can line up our white boys and have them kill each 0.60

00:19:55.860 other off um you know we're starting from a really bad position i mean yes if it cut if if world war 0.90

00:20:02.100 is decided by media companies

00:20:04.940 and conveyancing and asset management

00:20:07.880 and HR departments. 0.89

00:20:10.820 Chemsex parties. 1.00

00:20:11.740 Yeah, we're going to win. 0.93

00:20:13.160 This seems to be quite worrying, Dan.

00:20:15.200 What you seem to be suggesting

00:20:16.360 is that City of London-based debt leverage

00:20:19.960 and asset price inflation

00:20:21.880 can't fight an enormous industrial manufacturing.

00:20:25.460 But it does add to GDP.

00:20:26.920 Oh, all right, OK.

00:20:27.560 just as much as producing 90 million tons of weeds but surely our allies haven't also destroyed

00:20:39.000 their domestic manufacturing bases as well so we could rely on them unfortunately not no oh no 0.67

00:20:45.800 they they've exported it um i mean america can't fire a missile at china without getting the

00:20:50.500 components from china which which is a bit of a vulnerability the u.s military has been warning

00:20:55.720 that i mean i can go through it oil rate uh rail freight um you know um military manpower i mean

00:21:04.320 on on this i mean everything as well as far as service personnel goes that's not frontline

00:21:08.600 soldiers but we haven't we haven't got 183 000 frontline soldiers we've probably got about 30

00:21:13.380 000 like frontline so the number i've heard is about 19 000 that you could deploy any one time

00:21:18.060 and be useful yeah basically and then a few more thousand reservists but and they start with a

00:21:22.520 million yeah so those 19 you know they better they better be the spartans yes probably won't be

00:21:29.980 um so assume world war three you know what gets crushed from us because a lot a much higher

00:21:37.880 proportion of their economy converts straight into the useful stuff whereas you absolutely

00:21:42.800 crush finance property i mean there will still be some finance going on you're still going to need

00:21:46.880 banking but a lot of the finance we've got we've got 10 million people in the city of london well

00:21:51.700 not just City of London, but in the finance sector in this country,

00:21:55.560 a lot of them are getting sent to the front lines.

00:21:57.400 Can we just chuck an entire cavalry unit of Deliveroo cyclists at them?

00:22:02.080 Like man up the rickshaws that have been driving on the pavements in London 0.99

00:22:04.900 and just send them at the Russians? 1.00

00:22:06.080 Well, the boomers would be the big advantage, I think. 0.99

00:22:07.760 We send the boomers first, along with the Deliveroo drivers. 0.97

00:22:10.900 Get them out there. 1.00

00:22:11.480 They won't be going.

00:22:13.000 I mean, like you say, though, the banks would have to survive.

00:22:16.680 The City of London would have to survive

00:22:18.300 Because, I mean, who else is supposed to make a lot of money off of all of this?

00:22:22.100 You've got to protect that GDP.

00:22:23.840 So, yeah, so in Russia, the same sectors would decline, but not as significantly.

00:22:29.420 You know, I figured quite easily we could release 7 to 9 million.

00:22:36.380 But, I mean, with Russia, they could release a lot more, basically.

00:22:40.160 So they can mobilize faster.

00:22:42.480 And of the manufacturing workforce,

00:22:44.800 i reckon we could bump it up from two and a half million to four and a half to five million so we

00:22:49.220 could double up our manufacturing that's still got the issue of we've we don't produce enough energy

00:22:54.400 in a wartime situation to run the manufacturing and we've got to find them space and tooling

00:22:58.700 and it also presumes that the workforce themselves are willing and eager to do either of these things

00:23:03.220 rather than immediately erupting into ethnic conflict which jacob reese moggers imported

00:23:07.380 and the handing the british passports wasn't enough to stop well there is that yes you sort

00:23:12.760 of assume and and that's the thing i kind of imagine if we did get to a world war three

00:23:16.760 situation a higher percentage of russians would be like willing to defend their country

00:23:20.980 the the morale question is one that would need to be addressed you would need

00:23:25.700 some kind of conscription and who knows if people wouldn't just uh resist that um i think there's

00:23:34.900 quite a lot of that yeah show they propose just throwing people in prison who who said they

00:23:40.140 didn't want to fight for Andy Burnham exactly yes good point yeah but if they're in prison

00:23:43.780 do you then just what chain them up to one another and send them in the front lines

00:23:47.760 well that's what they do in Ukraine so why not and it's been working so well for Ukraine so far

00:23:52.480 so we could maybe get to five million people in doing something useful in manufacturing

00:23:57.540 Russians start at twice that and and quite conservatively could add 50 percent onto it 0.73

00:24:03.540 I mean maybe they could double it as well because and they've and they've actually got the energy 1.00

00:24:07.820 to run it and the steel to put into it and the aluminum to put into it so you don't really want

00:24:14.500 to be in that sort of situation uh yeah i talked about steel um this i thought might explain it

00:24:20.840 fairly well so this is the russian situation so they've got basically the bottom of their pyramid

00:24:26.080 all the big heavy bulky stuff like the steel the energy they've got where they're lacking

00:24:30.920 is the high-end components so it's things like semiconductors and that kind of stuff

00:24:36.020 that they would have to import from the chinese over land yeah and it's bloody difficult for the

00:24:42.960 royal navy or the u.s navy to intradict shipping going by land from china to russia and also

00:24:49.840 if it got to that situation we would also be expecting exports from the chinese and the 0.60

00:24:54.600 chinese wouldn't be as friendly with us it well i mean assuming a world war situation they would

00:24:58.580 probably be on russia's side i can't imagine russia would be starting if they weren't on on

00:25:03.280 aligned on that so so the bits that the russia needs is basically low bulk um high-end components

00:25:11.500 which you can ship across land fairly easily what does britain need if we get into a total war

00:25:16.440 situation well our pyramid is upside down we're integrated into the global economy so we only

00:25:21.740 ever produce bits of what we need on all of it so we even even we would need some high-end

00:25:26.460 components even though we could do some of it ourselves and down here the bulky stuff the steel

00:25:31.040 um the wheat all of that stuff we've got a big deficit so while russia would be trying to get

00:25:38.200 uh you know a few box carts of high-end semiconductors over from china by land we

00:25:43.700 would be trying to ship across the atlantic or at least the english channel assuming that the

00:25:48.160 rest of europe isn't in the same situation which in a world war sea situation they bloody well

00:25:51.680 would be we would be hoping to ship across the atlantic millions of tons of steel

00:25:57.400 wheat and grain so our our pyramid is is much much uglier and also our additional energy and

00:26:06.140 all of our loads of our telecommunications are connected via undersea cables which are really

00:26:11.100 vulnerable to bombing and again fairly easy to to disrupt that yeah and that assumes if we did find

00:26:18.220 if you know if people like mog and the other sort of neocons get their way and we actually end up

00:26:23.000 getting into a war of russia which they seem to desperately desperately want i just assume they've

00:26:26.820 decided there's too many white boys still alive at this point so let's do something about that

00:26:30.860 um we're starting in a really bad situation from this so i mean wrapping it up i mean i'll do more 0.99

00:26:37.700 of this on brokonomics at some point but um you know i think the truth lies somewhere between

00:26:43.280 mog and tucker but substantively on the bits that tucker was trying to explain even though he did

00:26:49.440 it badly i mean he is absolutely right russia is it's not a bigger economy when measured in dollar

00:26:55.720 terms if you convert everything back into dollars and fine i mean the world's largest economy if

00:27:00.560 you convert everything back into dollars is unsurprisingly the people who make the dollars

00:27:03.820 um if you measured it in yuan you might expect it to be the chinese if you measure in energy

00:27:10.040 terms it's going to be the chinese and all that kind of stuff uh but yeah i think i think tucker

00:27:14.820 has a really good point he just didn't land it as as particularly well as he could

00:27:19.520 all right we've got a few rumble rants from that

00:27:23.560 johnny logo first pin drop and dan finds the pub a man of refined tastes you understand he's well

00:27:33.160 practiced merrick mel india's gdp ppp is 18 trillion that scale explains indian conglomerates

00:27:41.260 owning britain's biggest car maker steelworks refinery and battery plant watching slop videos 0.99

00:27:46.660 and underestimating them is rubbish. 0.75

00:27:49.580 No, no, I mean, India are doing very successfully 0.94

00:27:53.460 on the world stage in general in terms of... 1.00

00:27:56.100 Because they're like a human ant hive.

00:27:57.380 So, of course, everyone wants to outsource their manufacturing

00:27:59.540 to a fundamental, like, fungible population.

00:28:02.100 Yeah, the tyranids have an incredible, like, infrastructure project. 1.00

00:28:05.600 Great. I don't want to deal with them.

00:28:07.720 Still, though, it's not great that they own so much of our stuff.

00:28:10.700 Oh, yeah, well, so the new steel plant that Trump was touting 1.00

00:28:13.760 as being built in America, it's Indian-owned.

00:28:16.660 Oh, brilliant. 1.00

00:28:17.320 You're going to get even more Indian. 1.00

00:28:18.080 I mean, speaking of this kind of problem, 1.00

00:28:20.580 India supplies around 50% of the UK's medicines and pharma ingredients

00:28:23.760 and is a major exporter of refined fuels, smartphones, steel, chemicals, and autos.

00:28:28.240 This underestimation is driving me mad.

00:28:31.220 Okay, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for us to replicate.

00:28:34.840 No, but the problem we've got is, okay, things like pharmaceuticals and chemicals,

00:28:38.460 we need to import the precursors if we had to make them ourselves.

00:28:41.660 So we can go the last five minutes of the production thing

00:28:45.780 and we can churn out the actual tablets here

00:28:47.900 and we produce a lot of pharmaceuticals.

00:28:50.060 What we can't produce is the bloody precursors,

00:28:51.900 which is the energy intensive and bulky thing. 0.65

00:28:53.980 And you try running a third world war

00:28:55.680 while getting a shipment of chemical precursors 0.79

00:28:57.700 sent over from India.

00:28:58.560 I'm saying without the third world war,

00:29:00.100 it would take time,

00:29:00.960 but we could build up and...

00:29:02.380 Oh yeah, all of this is...

00:29:03.680 We could really all enter that pyramid

00:29:05.000 anytime we wanted to,

00:29:06.300 but we don't.

00:29:06.760 Yes, and just to add,

00:29:08.280 Indian telecom conglomerates

00:29:09.580 also own 10 to 15%

00:29:11.080 of our transatlantic undersea cables as well.

00:29:13.280 Is this guy working at the Indian embassy? 0.98

00:29:15.300 It's just farming, is that? 0.99

00:29:16.760 Using rumble rubble?

00:29:17.360 I mean, I think if these are all true,

00:29:20.280 these are fair vulnerabilities in our own independence.

00:29:23.400 I'm just making fun.

00:29:24.140 Even in the comments are asking if Indians are gene stealers.

00:29:26.440 I don't think that is true, no.

00:29:28.200 I've got to say no to that.

00:29:29.320 Audrey Dore, also the chip manufacturer in northern New York State 1.00

00:29:32.360 is being built slash owned by Indians. 1.00

00:29:35.200 Right. 0.96

00:29:35.720 This wasn't actually an Indian segment.

00:29:37.720 I should just let the audience know.

00:29:39.480 Yes, yes.

00:29:40.860 All right.

00:29:41.560 So it should come as no surprise 0.98

00:29:43.440 is that the British government is run by abject traitors. 0.90

00:29:47.140 I just want to underscore how their treachery is limited 0.99

00:29:50.860 by their cowardice and their incompetence too.

00:29:53.260 And sometimes it's useful to just hear it directly from the horse's mouth.

00:29:56.920 And sometimes we get leaks from the Home Office,

00:29:59.540 which is what a friend of the show, Stephen Edgington,

00:30:01.860 has been doing on his substack, you should support it.

00:30:03.760 He keeps getting things fed to him by civil servants.

00:30:06.640 For example, during the BLM riots,

00:30:08.600 the Home Office told the police not to actually arrest any of the rioters

00:30:11.960 because it would be triggering.

00:30:13.440 So, there's a document that police officers were given, according to a 2024 report by Lord Walney,

00:30:20.800 says that officers were kicked to the ground, pelted with bottles, but during the riots themselves, 0.79

00:30:25.420 the officers were told to be mindful of possible increased tensions when interacting with the BAME

00:30:29.720 community, and they said that the memo, the riots, would allow for a significant trigger to emerge,

00:30:38.220 for example, the death in police custody of a respected member of the BAME community,

00:30:41.400 or of a prominent gang member

00:30:42.760 or a significant police altercation at protests.

00:30:46.780 And it said,

00:30:47.700 reporting from the Solidarity protests in London to date

00:30:49.640 has identified trigger points for negative crowd reactions,

00:30:52.300 which include police arresting individuals

00:30:54.340 such as for assault on police or criminal damage. 0.98

00:30:57.360 So don't arrest any black people 0.99

00:30:59.240 if they assault police officers 0.99

00:31:00.220 because it might upset them

00:31:01.000 and it might lead to further riots.

00:31:02.700 So you're just being held hostage by like...

00:31:04.800 How does one obtain this level of privilege?

00:31:08.780 You're not nominated enough.

00:31:10.900 Oh, okay.

00:31:11.400 The Justin Trudeau strategy.

00:31:12.940 Yes, yes.

00:31:13.680 Yeah, quite.

00:31:14.500 And the police are ultimately answerable to the Home Office, of course.

00:31:17.240 Another leak that Steve has published.

00:31:19.780 Am I in danger, Ralph Wiggum asks.

00:31:22.220 The Home Office said that the English flag left them fearing for their lives

00:31:25.840 during the Operation Raise the Colors campaign last year, in the summer.

00:31:29.700 Home Office staff were invited to attend a safe space

00:31:32.020 to discuss the concerning misuse of the English flag

00:31:34.520 and how it left some colleagues feeling anxious and unsettled.

00:31:38.120 One official said when he sees the English flag, he asks,

00:31:40.340 am I in danger? Are my children in danger? Right now, it's particularly triggering. These are the

00:31:44.480 people that run in country. Just to remind you, we pay all their salaries, so you wonder why

00:31:48.200 everything's going wrong. Another ethnic minority official said the flag campaign had caused concern

00:31:52.840 for my own safety and that of my family and friends, while one Indian civil servant, why are

00:31:56.560 you here? I'm terrified of bringing a mixed-race child into this world. So it shouldn't shock you 1.00

00:32:01.500 the Home Office is unfit for purpose, right? We've been reporting for ages about the Islamic 1.00

00:32:04.860 ideological capture of the Home Office, the fact that they have been rubber-stamping visas for 0.75

00:32:08.340 the Boris wave and beyond for the last how many decades but why is that is it the civil servants

00:32:13.760 is it leadership is it the institutional culture well be all of them funnily enough right we find

00:32:20.620 out from um a series of interviews with every home secretary between John Major's government

00:32:26.440 and the current Labour government which policy exchange conducted this report flew a little bit

00:32:31.080 under the radar but I thought I'd just like compress some of the well I hesitate to call

00:32:34.560 them insights, but confessions from the people that have been in charge of our national security,

00:32:38.860 our immigration policy, and police for the last 30-something years. And it really does explain

00:32:45.300 why we're in this state, right? The only people that weren't interviewed for this were Yvette

00:32:48.920 Cooper and Shabana Mahmood. And immigration only gets an occasional mention, despite being the most

00:32:55.940 important sort of like policy prospectus for these Home Secretaries. What they mainly focus

00:33:03.400 on is operational efficiency and the police.

00:33:05.500 But I just thought I'd give some insights.

00:33:06.960 You've got Kenneth Baker was first, was Home Secretary

00:33:09.120 between 1990 and 1992, and he said,

00:33:11.580 when I was Home Secretary, asylum application

00:33:13.340 numbers suddenly rose to

00:33:15.240 45,000 in 1991.

00:33:17.120 It was the first year of the burst of immigration.

00:33:19.420 The Foreign Secretary and I tried 1.00

00:33:21.380 very hard to contain it, and we failed, and so

00:33:23.400 have all our successors.

00:33:25.580 No, you just failed. You just

00:33:27.380 failed. Incredibly passive about

00:33:29.500 bringing thousands of people into the country.

00:33:30.900 So they claim that they're trying to stop it? Yeah.

00:33:32.800 Well, why are they lining up coaches and giving them free stuff and houses and police escorts?

00:33:38.780 He's, of course, going to claim that's his successors, and he tried his absolute damnedest to get these numbers down.

00:33:44.140 But I don't, I mean, I don't really believe him, to be honest.

00:33:47.460 Then you have Ken Clarke, who is Home Secretary between 1992 and 1993, so he didn't have a very long stint.

00:33:53.040 And he said, the Home Office was the most resistant to change department I'd ever presided over.

00:33:57.360 And he was reshuffled and had a lengthy career and spent a lot of time in other ministerial departments.

00:34:01.900 He ran all his departments like a debating society.

00:34:04.160 It was like holding a long-running debate in a seminar at a high table at a very good Oxbridge College.

00:34:08.620 They've never left Oxbridge, genuinely.

00:34:10.700 This is the mentality that is generated by a particular class of politician

00:34:15.120 that goes from Eton to a PPE degree in Oxford to being a civil servant or special advisor

00:34:20.520 and then given a safe seat, like Richmond.

00:34:22.780 So this would also suggest that all of the people within these departments

00:34:26.000 are not expected to actually be meaningfully challenged or just, you know, told what to do.

00:34:30.720 this is your job, so therefore you do it. They're expecting that the people running the departments

00:34:35.180 are going to say, oh, can you please do this? Here's a strongly worded five-page letter

00:34:40.220 arguing my case for why you should do your job. But you don't actually have to, though.

00:34:44.400 You're essentially pleading and negotiating with your own ostensible employees. And this is before

00:34:48.720 the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act came in, which meant that the civil service were on a

00:34:52.960 statutory footing to say that their guidance goes over what ministers said. So this is before Tony

00:34:58.880 Blair's constitutional changes. So this is just the cowardice of Conservative ministers at the time.

00:35:03.500 I mean, we've been run like this for absolute decades. He says, the Home Office couldn't take

00:35:07.220 to these large meetings. All the Home Office advice was supposed to be given to me by the

00:35:10.440 Permanent Secretary. I'd be told afterwards, after the meetings, by my private office that actually

00:35:15.000 the majority of the people in the room had agreed with me, but in the Home Office, they weren't

00:35:18.880 allowed to contradict what the Permanent Secretary said was the advice of the department. And he also

00:35:22.580 says, most difficult of all were our friends in MI5 who were perfectly nice people, but weren't

00:35:26.860 remotely accountable to

00:35:29.140 anybody. So really, the problem with the Home Office

00:35:31.000 was that it was the only department that he encountered

00:35:33.020 where the ethos of the department was

00:35:34.720 formal, process-driven, and deeply

00:35:37.220 resistant to change. Every time

00:35:39.300 he did indicate a direction and instruct them

00:35:41.180 to do something, it was very important to check a few

00:35:43.180 weeks later whether anybody had taken the slightest notice

00:35:45.260 or done anything about it.

00:35:47.520 So, nobody's been doing anything for ages.

00:35:49.500 Well, I mean, even Keir Starmer was saying that he

00:35:51.220 pulled a leave when nothing happened. Yeah, and he was the

00:35:53.120 civil service in a bad-fitting suit.

00:35:54.800 So, he was one of theirs.

00:35:56.520 He appointed Sue Gray, the archmander in the civil service, as his chief of staff,

00:36:00.740 and even fell out with her.

00:36:01.800 Yep.

00:36:02.080 So, only within the British government and British bureaucracy

00:36:05.660 could everybody from top to bottom admit that,

00:36:09.860 yeah, we don't do our jobs, yeah, we constantly fail at our jobs,

00:36:13.220 we've not actually had a single success in any of our jobs,

00:36:16.800 and nobody faces any consequences for any of it.

00:36:19.920 Yeah, it's just like Brazil, where someone prints a form,

00:36:22.560 they get someone killed, they can't find out who originally printed the form,

00:36:25.060 and it's just a recursive loop of filling out forms and disappearing.

00:36:28.000 Here's an apology and here's your receipt.

00:36:30.180 Yeah, quite.

00:36:31.380 On immigration, Clark says,

00:36:32.420 I was very proud of being in a country that was so tolerant

00:36:34.540 and well able to handle becoming a multicultural, multi-ethnic democracy as we are.

00:36:38.200 The pressures came when the numbers exploded

00:36:39.740 and the numbers are a feature of the visa scheme.

00:36:41.760 And of course, what enrages the public are the illegal boat crossings.

00:36:44.260 All that's down to Boris Johnson and his government.

00:36:46.100 His lack of interest in the subject was probably his main contribution.

00:36:48.760 So immigration is purely Boris Johnson's fault.

00:36:50.840 Never mind the guy before him said, 0.99

00:36:52.080 yeah, they exploded on our watch.

00:36:53.140 We tried to do something, but we couldn't.

00:36:54.400 And we handled it all so well.

00:36:56.160 Yeah, and then never mind this guy saying,

00:36:58.240 well, I'm actually really proud of becoming a tolerant, multicultural, multi-ethnic democracy

00:37:01.920 against the wishes of the electorate. 0.96

00:37:03.840 We handled it so well, which is why we had American-style BLM riots in 2020. 0.53

00:37:11.280 Yeah, integration just going swimmingly, according to the likes of Fraser Nelson. 0.61

00:37:17.280 Then you had Jack Straw, yes, the infamous...

00:37:19.280 I'll bring it down for you, they are.

00:37:20.880 Can never figure out these screens since we've moved office.

00:37:22.800 then you had jack straw yes the home secretary that infamously said that pakistan needs to be

00:37:26.400 using young girls as easy meat wasn't asked about the grooming gangs for this report oh a bit bit

00:37:32.920 weird but okay um bear in mind he also oversaw the stephen lawrence inquiry which has since turned

00:37:38.120 the police into the um sharia enforcement squad of anti-racism worth noting that the stephen lawrence

00:37:44.100 inquiry was like just a deliberate policy choice by the government because that case was already

00:37:49.160 what four years old oh it's funny you say by the time it went to inquiry they just wanted to reform

00:37:54.280 the police to make them more multicultural he actually admits that in this oh there you go

00:37:58.540 his exact quote was um you've got you've just got to keep driving these things you've got to keep

00:38:03.520 driving them from the top so it was an ideological pressure placed by the blair government to reform

00:38:08.460 the police so that they police the public and persecute them for their own internal thoughts

00:38:14.580 or opinions that they didn't like so that was the brilliance of blair is that he changed all

00:38:18.240 the institutions to run on Blairism forever, even after he left office. Somewhere, an Iranian rug 1.00

00:38:24.880 merchant is laughing. Yeah, he's going to enjoy this one as well, because we've got David Blunkett, 1.00

00:38:29.940 who, the best thing I've ever heard about David Blunkett was actually on Beau's breakfast show,

00:38:33.180 Breakfast with Beau. You should be watching it every morning at eight o'clock. And Beau pointed

00:38:37.280 out to David Blunkett, he went, he's a blind man. You know, I would have thought that being the 0.99

00:38:40.900 Home Secretary in this country, you know, seeing things is probably a necessary condition. No?

00:38:45.580 Okay, then.

00:38:46.520 David Blunkett, remind you,

00:38:48.760 in the aftermath of 9-11,

00:38:51.120 pushed forward two bills

00:38:52.120 when Andy Burnham was actually working for him

00:38:55.000 as his principal policy advisor,

00:38:57.340 pushed forward two bills that would criminalise his lumbophobia

00:38:59.040 as the smouldering rubble of the Twin Towers

00:39:01.280 was still lying in the middle of New York.

00:39:03.600 Lovely guy.

00:39:04.780 Anyway, he spoke about the police and he said,

00:39:06.480 in the main, the police broadly get it right.

00:39:08.080 Politicians can provide cover

00:39:09.260 for hard but necessary decisions to be taken.

00:39:11.320 Generally, where there are disagreements,

00:39:12.720 when you have the responsibility of being

00:39:14.940 Home Secretary, it is right

00:39:16.960 that these things are dealt with behind the scenes

00:39:18.920 with arguments being made in private and moral support

00:39:21.240 being provided publicly. As Home Secretary

00:39:22.980 I would certainly never have written an article

00:39:24.960 being publicly critical of the police

00:39:27.060 I don't think it's helpful to bring people

00:39:29.140 up publicly. Right. So the police

00:39:31.460 are unaccountable

00:39:32.760 they can do things like get Harry Novak killed

00:39:34.900 and shouldn't face any scrutiny from the politicians. The politicians

00:39:37.080 are just their salesmen. They're just their

00:39:39.000 public facing PR department, apparently

00:39:41.700 And so we wonder why the police constantly do things like

00:39:43.620 knock on the door, arrest you for a tweet.

00:39:46.380 What is it, like 60,000 people in the last few years

00:39:48.600 have been arrested for this sort of stuff?

00:39:50.560 And the politicians just don't criticise them.

00:39:52.980 Something that wasn't mentioned, by the way, in this,

00:39:55.300 that has been spotted by one of my favourite annons,

00:39:57.760 Aylmer, who does excellent work on AX,

00:39:59.980 is that in 2004, David Blunkett, while he was Home Secretary,

00:40:03.060 actually created a division within the Home Office

00:40:05.280 to combat groups like Migration Watch,

00:40:08.200 because their analysis of immigration

00:40:10.300 was making the government look bad.

00:40:12.860 And in 2002, there was an email saying,

00:40:14.900 ministers would like us to be in a position

00:40:16.200 to be able to respond to

00:40:17.060 and be ahead of some of the ideas, facts, and figures

00:40:19.040 that they are promulgating, Migration Watch.

00:40:21.360 We need to form a small network of people

00:40:23.020 to act in the same flexible fleet of foot way.

00:40:25.980 Now, they're still doing this sort of thing now

00:40:27.560 because Keir Starmer's government

00:40:28.620 published a social cohesion strategy,

00:40:31.480 an integration strategy.

00:40:32.680 And buried in there, it said they're very alarmed

00:40:34.920 about online far-right voices,

00:40:37.260 hello, it's us,

00:40:38.380 who are saying things like,

00:40:39.460 being English is about being white

00:40:41.680 and having English ancestry

00:40:42.900 and English identity is

00:40:45.160 something to do with Christianity. 0.81

00:40:46.860 Well, white is just downstream of having English ancestry. 0.95

00:40:49.660 Yeah, because of the weather. 0.83

00:40:51.560 Yes.

00:40:52.320 So, basically, the government under the current Home Secretaries

00:40:55.160 is still doing this stuff now.

00:40:56.700 It's just instead of Migration Watch,

00:40:58.720 it's us.

00:41:01.060 Again, not brought up by this particular report,

00:41:03.820 but it's just nice to know that we've been governed

00:41:05.440 the exact same way by these traitors for a very long time.

00:41:08.180 Then you've got Charles Clark. He was Home Secretary between December 2004 and May 2006,

00:41:14.700 and he actually blames civil servants for why he was sacked as a scapegoat by Tony Blair.

00:41:19.520 So he said there was the question of partnership with the criminal justice system, and this was

00:41:22.440 an extremely complicated issue, which as Home Secretary decided he would try and solve and

00:41:26.740 work better, looking at prisons, probation, Crown Prosecution Service, police, etc. How could we

00:41:31.360 reduce crime and reduce re-offending? I would say I was completely unsuccessful. That was one of my

00:41:36.620 ambitions. Lord Falconer was strongly in favour of it too, you know, what's his name, Peter

00:41:41.920 Mandelson's best mate. Just at the most basic level, communication of IT between different

00:41:45.460 systems didn't work. The classic example was, in my case, between immigration and the rest of the

00:41:49.200 system, we lost, lost, he's even put it in air quotes, the foreign national prisoners data,

00:41:55.080 which led to him having to be sacked. So departments within the Home Office itself

00:41:59.700 are not sharing data, and they're conveniently losing data down the back of the sofa that makes

00:42:03.940 foreigners and the government look bad. I wonder if that's going on right now when David Lammy was

00:42:08.660 trying to block the release of data about foreign criminals trying to be procured by Rob Bates at

00:42:12.720 the Centre for Migration Control. If we were to ever get a restored government and the first thing

00:42:17.280 they did was simply fire the entire Home Office, but ask them to leave their passwords written on

00:42:23.520 their desk, I reckon we could reconstruct it from zero knowledge quicker than we could reform it.

00:42:28.720 Yeah, but much like when the Allied troops were marching into Berlin and all the documents were

00:42:33.640 being burned if a non-compliant government were to win they'll be like burning every paper trail

00:42:39.560 before you can even get through the door doesn't this also doesn't this all of the admissions

00:42:43.940 being made here isn't it just like showing that like parliamentary sovereignty the politicians

00:42:49.080 that we elect in place and then get put into particular cabinet positions by the prime 0.99

00:42:53.480 minister when they form a government the whole thing's just a farce yeah they're either retarded 0.97

00:42:57.000 behind because behind that there's just this enormous civil service that has its own direction 0.93

00:43:01.600 of travel and its own agenda that it's working towards and you can put any number of like

00:43:07.260 revolving door of faces on there to give the illusion to the public that oh don't worry this

00:43:12.260 is a different government but all the people behind the scenes are still the same still working

00:43:16.900 towards the same things still doing the same things and if you try and change that they'll

00:43:20.740 just say nah sorry yeah they're either traitors working with that civil service and acting as 0.99

00:43:25.000 their marketing department or they're utterly retarded and inadequate for the role and the 0.94

00:43:29.560 moment they work against the civil service the the friction causes their political career to catch 0.96

00:43:34.000 fire so unless you get rid of the civil service so like with the government as it is right now

00:43:41.180 it seems that there exists the government that is completely untouchable by the electorate at which

00:43:46.720 point you have to ask the question why even have elections yeah the democracy in britain is

00:43:54.400 basically an illusion until you can hire and fire these people um same same chap clark says i thought

00:44:00.620 it was important for the home secretary to support not to second guess the criminal justice system so

00:44:04.380 outsource all of your critical thinking skills to the institution right which was then given

00:44:09.600 obviously a lot more power under blair if for example a judge handed down a light sentence on

00:44:15.020 a rapist this is a quote i'm not making this up i did not see that as a matter for the home

00:44:18.980 secretary to comment on that was a matter for that judge so if a judge is routinely letting 0.78

00:44:23.040 sex offenders get away

00:44:24.260 without any prison time. 0.77

00:44:26.440 You aren't allowed

00:44:27.200 to question that judge

00:44:27.880 as the Home Secretary,

00:44:28.980 which we've elected.

00:44:30.520 Well, who is then?

00:44:31.560 Nobody.

00:44:32.320 The judge themselves.

00:44:33.380 The judge themselves

00:44:33.860 must search their feelings.

00:44:35.420 They know it's to be true, right?

00:44:36.740 They've got to come

00:44:37.260 to the conclusion,

00:44:37.800 oh, I have been a little bit

00:44:38.520 light on the rapists, haven't I?

00:44:39.360 Maybe I should stop that.

00:44:40.320 We've just got to wait and see

00:44:41.080 until they come to that

00:44:42.040 particular conclusion.

00:44:44.020 More than anyone else,

00:44:45.380 even more than the Prime Minister,

00:44:46.680 the Home Secretary

00:44:47.180 has the job of being

00:44:48.040 the guardian on behalf

00:44:49.500 of the people

00:44:50.120 of the integrity

00:44:50.900 of the criminal justice system.

00:44:52.440 You just said

00:44:52.920 you don't that you just don't do that yeah but if you if you look at his really garbled language

00:44:57.120 right they have the job of being the guardian on behalf of the people of the integrity of the

00:45:02.120 criminal justice system so the institutions are actually representing what's in the best interest

00:45:06.540 of the people so it's the job of the politicians to preserve the institutions because they unfurl

00:45:11.020 progressive enlightened liberal values on the population who are just moldable right you're

00:45:16.320 not actually acting on behalf of what the people want because people don't know what they want

00:45:20.540 He said the institutions know what the people want.

00:45:22.160 You have to keep the institutions pristine

00:45:23.560 so that the people become the perfect version of themselves.

00:45:26.720 Because we're all just blank slates.

00:45:28.720 That's what these people believe. 0.87

00:45:30.400 Fantastic.

00:45:31.440 I'm going to skip over Jackie Smith,

00:45:32.560 because she didn't say anything interesting.

00:45:33.940 Then there's Alan Johnson, who was...

00:45:35.220 That was the one who expensed pornos.

00:45:38.480 Was it? 0.90

00:45:38.900 Was that her husband?

00:45:40.200 Well, same difference.

00:45:41.200 You win on her expense form.

00:45:42.320 There you go, yeah.

00:45:43.340 She's currently a skills minister in the Labour government, by the way.

00:45:45.620 Oh, OK.

00:45:45.980 Yeah, so, you know, same people, as you said,

00:45:47.540 rolling door, get recycled.

00:45:48.860 Then there's Alan Johnson, who was Home Secretary between 2009 and 2010.

00:45:52.440 Notes that, incidentally, net migration was 114,000 when he was Home Secretary

00:45:56.320 and got up to a million under the Tories.

00:45:58.720 So, you know, weird to be nostalgic for the Blair years, but there you go.

00:46:01.660 He claims the Home Office functioned really well, actually.

00:46:03.880 He said the department was geared up.

00:46:05.100 The idea that the Home Office was unfit for purpose, it may have been at one stage,

00:46:08.160 and it may have been when John Reid said it, but it didn't seem unfit for purpose for me.

00:46:11.520 The department had brilliant civil servants.

00:46:13.040 He didn't get on with the principal private secretary.

00:46:14.520 but when, compared to other departments,

00:46:16.680 he thinks it seemed to be functioning very effectively

00:46:18.760 and you knew where to go if you had a problem

00:46:20.400 and the person you could talk to would sort it out

00:46:22.080 because you couldn't interfere with police autonomy

00:46:24.480 even if you struggled with it yourself.

00:46:26.440 And they said, okay, well, considering you think it's so rosy,

00:46:28.660 do you have advice to the sitting home secretary, 1.00

00:46:30.040 Shabana Mahmood, who's presently piling as many Palestinians 1.00

00:46:32.360 and Afghans into the country as possible? 0.83

00:46:33.780 And he said, don't listen to your Labour colleagues, press ahead. 0.58

00:46:37.020 When they're doing something that really needs to be done,

00:46:38.740 particularly on illegal immigration,

00:46:40.020 you'll always get a kickback and you've got to carry on.

00:46:41.720 there are ways that uh things that could be amended as a bill go through but the basic

00:46:46.080 point is you've got to stop this pull factor so get rid of the gangs because you don't need them

00:46:50.220 because they're redundant because you're flying them in yourself and he said she should press

00:46:53.220 ahead with digital id perhaps sell it a bit better than the case has been up till until now

00:46:57.080 and illegal immigration is of course a tiny proportion of legal immigration but pictures

00:47:01.740 of people coming into the country illegally make people feel really really strongly about it and

00:47:06.160 it's no good suddenly thinking that we've done this to death let's move on right sell us on

00:47:10.220 digital ID, sell us on more legal migration, just take the annoying optics of illegal migration

00:47:17.360 out of the papers and everything will be going along just fine. So just lie to everyone.

00:47:20.700 Well, you know, digital ID is going to work right because it'll only ever be weaponized

00:47:24.460 against illegal migrants, just like Prevent led, wait, oh no. 0.90

00:47:29.280 Yeah, led by the Islamic network that stopped monitoring Islamic tarot. 0.65

00:47:32.000 Prevent definitely stuck to its original remit. 0.82

00:47:34.580 Yeah, you know, saying that they all for 1984 extremist attacks.

00:47:38.020 the thing that i'm getting from everything you're saying is they very much regard governing this

00:47:42.260 country as cattle management yeah and we're the cattle yeah it's just a case of how do you placate

00:47:47.400 us and line us up for slaughter yeah how do we design the slaughterhouse so that you have minimal

00:47:51.040 distress while you're walking in the spiral staircase towards the bulk gun the the problem

00:47:56.000 is though related to the segment that we did right before this one which is that cattle management

00:48:01.160 ends up being a case of where you just change a few uh just change a few switches so that you

00:48:06.900 maximize people's basic pleasure in terms of you get your slop you get your porn you get your 0.98

00:48:13.380 endless t uh netflix and tv lanterns where you're humiliated for being a white man yes you get you 0.97

00:48:18.960 get all of these things uh the problem is though that treating us like cattle does not create a

00:48:24.440 sort of warrior uh class that you need to fight world war three yes yeah so when you give people

00:48:31.000 the option of, would you like to go to the trenches and die, or carry on your comfortable,

00:48:37.340 well-cated-for, benefits-funded existence that you've lived up until now, very few people are

00:48:43.100 going to take the option of the trenches. Yeah, they're going to padlock themselves in the goon

00:48:46.620 cave. Speaking of someone responsible for all that disgusting wokeness, Theresa May was next, 1.00

00:48:52.160 and if you have any doubt that Theresa May was responsible for actually the vast majority of

00:48:57.080 the problems we're currently facing.

00:48:58.620 A reminder, she said that she is a proud, woke woman

00:49:00.780 just a couple of years ago,

00:49:02.580 was Home Secretary and Prime Minister,

00:49:04.120 one of the longest-running Home Secretaries, actually.

00:49:06.700 She actually said that the role of the police,

00:49:10.860 right, in her words,

00:49:11.920 is basically to play umpire

00:49:13.200 between the different competing groups

00:49:14.960 that they've imported here.

00:49:16.180 Quote,

00:49:16.720 one would expect the police to engage with community groups,

00:49:19.340 the public are the police and the police are the public,

00:49:21.380 so their relationship has to be very strong,

00:49:23.480 one, at a local level,

00:49:25.100 so you would expect them to be doing it.

00:49:26.340 So, as we already mentioned, Prevent. Prevent's parent body is Raikou.

00:49:30.860 Theresa May was the person responsible for revolutionising Raikou. 0.98

00:49:33.380 She was the one that appointed the Khan Sisters to run Raikou. 0.98

00:49:35.800 She posed at the opening of her Inspire charity with the Union Jack Hijam image 0.92

00:49:40.940 that ended up on the front page of The Sun when Alan Henning was beheaded. 0.57

00:49:44.120 Theresa May was responsible for basically opening the doors to Islamic activists

00:49:47.240 to take over the Home Office. 0.99

00:49:49.120 She was responsible for creating police and crime commissioners

00:49:51.940 and bringing in the hate crime operational guidance

00:49:54.180 that acted on the Stephen Lawrence report

00:49:56.540 that created non-crime hate incidents.

00:49:58.480 She's responsible for all of this

00:49:59.500 and doesn't show a lick of remorse

00:50:02.280 in any of these pages.

00:50:04.180 Well, this is also something

00:50:05.420 that I've been pointing out

00:50:06.580 regarding Jacob Rees-Marg and others.

00:50:09.240 This kind of attitude

00:50:11.480 makes way, way, way more sense

00:50:14.080 if you are still at the head of a global empire. 0.92

00:50:16.580 If you have, say, an African country 0.79

00:50:19.700 that you've colonised 0.99

00:50:21.360 and maybe the natives aren't doing the work

00:50:23.800 that you want to extract the local resources

00:50:26.000 so that you can use them in your industrial revolution 1.00

00:50:28.160 and you import a load of Indians there 1.00

00:50:30.240 to manage all of that instead,

00:50:32.860 yet it makes sense that the local authorities

00:50:35.040 are probably going to have to play umpire

00:50:37.240 between these competing ethnic and religious groups

00:50:39.780 that you've forced together. 0.97

00:50:41.680 What is the point of doing that

00:50:43.600 when you have turned into your own imperial backwater

00:50:46.940 following bankrupting the country and losing the empire

00:50:50.640 and now you don't actually produce anything really worthwhile? 1.00

00:50:53.800 because she administrates that empire from a rural uh mainly white militarized constituency 1.00

00:51:02.440 in maidenhead so she doesn't have to deal with any of it so she gets to play larp in the countryside

00:51:06.920 yeah she's ferried in her ministerial black cars and now lifelong security for being prime minister

00:51:11.780 to and from her home and wherever else she likes to go fancy conferences with security at all times

00:51:17.120 she also notes in here i think it's on page 73 um she recognizes that constituencies like maidenhead

00:51:22.780 And she says, constituencies like Hackney have different needs

00:51:26.120 because one is rural and one is urban.

00:51:28.020 And she's talking in the context of policing and crime.

00:51:30.260 I might suggest that it is more that the demographics of Hackney

00:51:34.100 might lead the inhabitants to cause more crime than it just being a city.

00:51:37.900 Yes.

00:51:38.600 Because you don't see a lot of machete gangs dueling out.

00:51:41.200 Well, plus everything they put in motion,

00:51:43.540 the demographics of Hackney will be the demographics of Maidenhead at some point.

00:51:47.480 It's just a question of getting there. 0.95

00:51:49.340 Yeah, well, I'm sure Theresa May will be housing them in her living room.

00:51:51.680 Then her successor, Amber Rudd, between 2016 and 2019, or 2018 rather,

00:51:56.780 said her main priority was reducing violent crime in London.

00:51:59.120 So they asked, okay, what did you do about that?

00:52:01.000 She said, we went hammer and tongs with what legislation we could try

00:52:04.460 and reduce what we thought might be the drivers of violent crime.

00:52:07.580 Immigration? No. 0.93

00:52:08.940 I think I was the first of about 10 Home Secretaries to announce making zombie knives illegal,

00:52:13.400 because of course they just float through the air like the dagger in Macbeth.

00:52:16.120 And then the last thing I did, actually two years later,

00:52:18.200 was set up a violent crime task force together with David Lammy,

00:52:21.680 the guy that says

00:52:23.280 white supremacy 0.94

00:52:23.800 is to blame for everything 0.99

00:52:24.620 conservative

00:52:26.040 home secretary

00:52:26.900 works with David Lammy

00:52:28.740 to fight

00:52:29.660 knife crime

00:52:30.360 wonder why

00:52:31.220 it didn't get done

00:52:31.780 the local MPs

00:52:33.060 national crime agency

00:52:34.160 a big round table

00:52:35.400 of everyone

00:52:35.780 who could have got

00:52:36.300 any sort of impact

00:52:36.980 on reducing violent crime

00:52:37.920 because it hadn't got a

00:52:38.520 bet

00:52:38.740 hadn't got better

00:52:39.540 it felt like it got worse

00:52:40.820 right at the end

00:52:41.300 and we were trying to do

00:52:42.080 community action

00:52:42.740 so basically

00:52:43.280 in a very feminine way

00:52:44.380 we're gonna all get together 0.95

00:52:45.360 we're gonna agree on something

00:52:47.020 we're gonna feel really good

00:52:47.940 about doing it

00:52:48.500 did anyone do anything?

00:52:49.700 no?

00:52:50.120 it felt better though

00:52:51.120 We're going to do a mind map and we're going to listen to everybody's concerns

00:52:55.400 and we're going to write them down.

00:52:57.280 Stop doing that voice, you sound like a Tory candidate.

00:52:58.920 Well, exactly.

00:53:00.180 Well, I for one am shocked that the knife angel didn't stop knife crime.

00:53:05.940 Has the knife angel-

00:53:07.060 Sorry, what?

00:53:07.660 To your town?

00:53:09.140 No.

00:53:09.760 It came to Crewe.

00:53:11.700 It's a big statue shaped like an angel made out of discarded knives.

00:53:17.980 and you you as like imagine that you're I don't know how can I be culturally

00:53:24.760 sensitive who would be someone not in the British imagine you're Enrico and

00:53:28.780 you've lived a life of crime and you go to the town centre because oh fam I'm

00:53:34.000 just gonna I'm gonna knock up some bloods lad okay that's what I assume

00:53:38.200 Enrico can I get subtitles please and then what do you see in the distance

00:53:42.700 Resupply station.

00:53:44.700 No, no, no.

00:53:46.700 What you see in the distance is the symbol of all of your worldly and spiritual wrongs

00:53:53.500 come to pass judgement down on you.

00:53:56.300 The angel made of discarded knives.

00:53:58.300 A symbol of how other people can leave this life behind.

00:54:02.300 So is this a real thing?

00:54:03.500 Yes.

00:54:04.000 They can't rotate it in their mind though.

00:54:05.500 And in front of the statue made of knives of an angel

00:54:10.300 is a little bin that you can throw your knives in

00:54:13.060 and that other people definitely won't go rooting you through afterwards.

00:54:16.200 And then you turn your life around

00:54:18.820 and you go and you join McDonald's

00:54:20.840 and you contribute to GDP like a good cattle.

00:54:23.620 Well, ever since the Southport massacres,

00:54:26.320 they have rounded off the tips of kitchen knives,

00:54:28.680 made it much harder to buy, right?

00:54:30.320 So stabbings have gone down.

00:54:31.260 Yeah.

00:54:31.860 But doesn't what I just described,

00:54:33.300 doesn't it just sound like an HR woman's idea of how the real world works? 0.66

00:54:36.600 Rico doesn't have the conceptual bandwidth

00:54:39.540 to imagine 15 seconds in his own future,

00:54:41.880 let alone a conceptual reimagining of knife-free Britain

00:54:46.240 as expressed through modern art.

00:54:48.760 Yes, but...

00:54:49.680 Imagine how much money consultants made off of it, though. 0.99

00:54:52.640 And that drives GDP.

00:54:54.300 Camilla, who works in HR, does not consider this

00:54:56.880 when she comes up with ideas like the knife angel.

00:54:59.460 Get him to answer the breakfast question

00:55:01.180 before we move on to conceptual modern art.

00:55:03.160 Well, how is he going to spread his toast without a knife?

00:55:04.600 Yes

00:55:06.420 Funnily enough

00:55:07.880 She actually

00:55:08.260 Basically explained

00:55:09.120 Some of these things

00:55:10.020 She said

00:55:10.680 One of the things

00:55:11.440 That I remember examining

00:55:12.300 Is what else we could do

00:55:13.180 For instance 1.00

00:55:13.520 To limit young people's access

00:55:14.560 To violent videos and music

00:55:15.940 That was seen to be part

00:55:17.020 Of what was incentivising them

00:55:18.180 To go into gangs

00:55:18.700 And killing each other

00:55:19.280 Or hurting each other

00:55:19.920 Drill music in particular

00:55:21.180 Aha

00:55:21.720 Who is making drill music?

00:55:23.420 Anyone?

00:55:24.600 Anyone?

00:55:25.500 Stephen Edgington apparently

00:55:26.440 Because what I do

00:55:27.400 Is go for the symptom

00:55:28.640 Yeah

00:55:29.400 Yeah

00:55:30.960 We just gotta

00:55:31.560 Crack down on drill music listeners

00:55:33.340 Or whatever other euphemism

00:55:34.520 the New York Post is going to generate today. That was the sort of thing the Home Office can

00:55:38.360 look at. In the end, there wasn't anything we could do. Oh, there's nothing we could do. We

00:55:41.800 couldn't possibly identify and deport the cause. We can't crack down on drill music

00:55:44.860 because it's basically impossible to stop people making music, especially if it's the kind of

00:55:49.280 music they want to make because they're violent people. She says, one of the things I thought we

00:55:52.680 could have done more is set up youth centers because the whole narrative was that we hadn't

00:55:56.380 done enough with youth centers and I thought it was fairly compelling. So you were reading The

00:56:00.040 Guardian as a conservative Home Secretary. You bought fully into the blank slate version of

00:56:04.480 human nature and you thought all the mean lefties are saying we haven't built enough youth centers so

00:56:08.260 in order to tackle knife crime and show them what for we're going to build more youth clubs where 0.99

00:56:12.960 they can i don't know kill each other ping pong bats or something no i like to think that she was

00:56:17.320 looking through twitter and saw a bunch of annons joking that if there had been a youth center this

00:56:21.740 latest crime would never have happened and she thought they were being serious she goes actually

00:56:26.580 maybe maybe they've got a point i have to keep reminding myself as you go through this that

00:56:30.600 everything you're saying is real?

00:56:32.660 These are real people.

00:56:33.680 Yeah, these help power from possible years.

00:56:34.720 People really think that this stuff is doing something.

00:56:38.540 Oh, no, you're not allowed to do anything, actually.

00:56:40.400 So they asked her, not joking, right?

00:56:42.760 Question, where is the line for the Home Secretary

00:56:44.900 to be able to grip policing to focus on doing what you want it to do?

00:56:48.080 So, like, where is the line where the Home Secretary

00:56:50.440 can do something and not do something?

00:56:52.500 Answer, I don't think you can,

00:56:54.740 and I don't think it's your job either.

00:56:58.140 As Home Secretary, you're not allowed to do anything.

00:57:00.600 You're just allowed to... How many people are in the home office?

00:57:04.080 Thousands.

00:57:05.080 And they're all drawing a salary and none of them are doing anything useful? 1.00

00:57:07.600 Well, they're doing something useful if you want a complete Islamic conquest of the UK. 1.00

00:57:10.880 And you want more people to kill people, right? 1.00

00:57:13.160 Generate GDP from the number of knives that melted down to make an angel in the middle of the town square. 0.67

00:57:18.320 A Home Secretary would never say,

00:57:19.760 go and arrest Mr Blob, although the security services will tell you some fairly shocking stories

00:57:23.440 of the notes they kept on certain Labour politicians 40 or 50 years ago.

00:57:26.640 So it's not born out of craziness, it's born out of experience.

00:57:28.560 It's not for the Home Secretary to do that,

00:57:30.480 but nor is it for the Home Secretary to say,

00:57:32.480 I think you should not do serious violence.

00:57:34.400 You should do something which some people might consider trivial.

00:57:36.840 So leadership is not just about setting the law.

00:57:38.720 It's about making sure you can win people over.

00:57:40.520 It's a relationship as well as setting priorities.

00:57:43.100 It's very, oh, we can't possibly do things.

00:57:44.900 I just have to make everyone feel really nice.

00:57:48.720 I think what's happened is my teacher, when I was seven,

00:57:55.080 has now been cloned and put in charge of absolutely everything. 0.59

00:57:58.140 Yeah, basically, yeah.

00:57:59.160 We were in the longhouse.

00:58:00.460 Yeah.

00:58:01.320 Then there's Sajid Javid,

00:58:02.500 the man who said,

00:58:03.300 so what,

00:58:03.880 when he learned that all of our major cities

00:58:05.540 were minority English, 0.77

00:58:08.120 also refused to deport the Pakistani rape gang perpetrators

00:58:11.460 from Rotherham and Rochdale.

00:58:13.900 So what was his surname again?

00:58:16.040 Javid.

00:58:16.680 Javid, right.

00:58:17.320 Yeah.

00:58:17.700 What's even the point of voting at all

00:58:20.540 if all of the choices that you get

00:58:22.380 ultimately, according to these interviews,

00:58:25.020 all believe the same things

00:58:26.600 and all do the same things, which is, oh, well, that's terrible.

00:58:30.440 No, we can't do anything about it.

00:58:32.200 Well, here's a quote from Amber Rudd, actually,

00:58:33.480 if you want to work out that all the people believe the same things.

00:58:36.240 We live in a world where institutions are being menaced by populism,

00:58:39.000 and populism does go after institutions.

00:58:40.780 If we want to preserve our democracy, we need to make sure

00:58:42.940 that we are very clear about the fact that a democracy

00:58:45.380 isn't just a vote every four or five years.

00:58:47.360 It's looking after those institutions and having operational independence,

00:58:50.320 I would say, is at the core of one of those essential parts

00:58:52.480 of protecting our country and our democracy.

00:58:53.880 So democracy is when you vote and nothing changes

00:58:56.680 because the institutions aren't accountable

00:58:57.920 and they're independent.

00:58:59.680 Conservative Home Secretary.

00:59:02.140 Cooked.

00:59:03.640 Javid said, when asked how to make the police accountable,

00:59:06.380 clearly the police are operationally independent

00:59:07.880 and that's as it should be.

00:59:09.380 No minister should be making decisions

00:59:10.560 on how the police conduct an investigation

00:59:11.940 or who the police investigate.

00:59:13.360 That's a decision for the police.

00:59:14.420 And in a democracy,

00:59:15.300 that clearly shouldn't be any different.

00:59:17.040 That was never under question.

00:59:19.700 There were lots of times, for example,

00:59:21.000 when environmentalists would protest on Westminster Bridge,

00:59:22.700 but in his case he would always restrain himself and say

00:59:24.920 that's not my job. So the most

00:59:26.840 I would do is, if I saw something or heard something

00:59:28.760 that didn't feel right, I would ask questions. 1.00

00:59:31.900 You're the fucking 1.00

00:59:32.860 Home Secretary. If you can't do anything 1.00

00:59:34.900 what is the point? If you're just sitting there

00:59:36.760 as a glorified person in a

00:59:38.840 classroom going, Miss, Miss, why don't you do anything?

00:59:41.480 What is the point of any of you?

00:59:42.640 We'd be better off with one Judge Dredd

00:59:44.900 than the entire Home Secretary.

00:59:46.880 Entire Home Office, sorry.

00:59:48.660 Also, the report didn't ask you about immigration.

00:59:50.760 Speaking of immigration, and I'll wrap up the last couple,

00:59:52.700 Priti Patel 0.99

00:59:53.640 unrepentant architect

00:59:55.340 of the Boris wave

00:59:55.960 she was not asked

00:59:57.420 about immigration

00:59:57.900 in this report

00:59:59.640 yes I can imagine

01:00:01.140 that slipped their mind

01:00:01.980 only asked about the police

01:00:03.040 there you go

01:00:03.700 she claims the home office

01:00:04.920 was complacent

01:00:06.100 and non-compliant

01:00:06.700 quote

01:00:07.060 when I became home secretary

01:00:08.340 I felt the department

01:00:09.100 had a lack of ambition

01:00:10.000 and an indifference

01:00:10.880 to law and order

01:00:11.560 they had become

01:00:12.320 institutional over time

01:00:13.400 and from conversations

01:00:14.260 I had

01:00:14.680 the department

01:00:15.360 had effectively delegated

01:00:16.620 all policing

01:00:17.880 to police and crime commissioners

01:00:19.480 I was told that

01:00:20.080 when it came to

01:00:20.540 the real issues and challenges

01:00:21.460 it was a case of

01:00:22.400 Get it off our desks.

01:00:23.600 That was effectively the mindset of the Home Office.

01:00:25.320 Don't bring it back to the department.

01:00:27.000 She also complains,

01:00:28.000 I think there was a degree of politicisation

01:00:29.400 going on behind the scenes in the policing,

01:00:31.300 which came from the top of the National Police Chiefs Council

01:00:33.420 on all identity politics,

01:00:35.100 and what we would now term diversity, equity, and inclusion,

01:00:37.640 which became a distraction within policing

01:00:40.080 for doing the proper job and getting on with the police mandate.

01:00:43.080 Bear in mind, it's not a distraction,

01:00:45.780 and Priti Patel herself,

01:00:47.300 I'm trying to find where my cursor is, actually.

01:00:51.100 There it is.

01:00:51.820 There it is.

01:00:52.280 Yeah, Priti Patel herself.

01:00:54.720 She implemented the Windrush Report recommendations. 0.99

01:00:57.940 So totally against anti-white identity politics, 0.60

01:01:00.220 but implemented the Windrush scandal findings,

01:01:04.160 which then brought DEI into the Home Office

01:01:06.280 and gave all civil servants mandatory anti-racism training. 0.90

01:01:11.320 Thanks, her.

01:01:12.840 Brilliant. 1.00

01:01:13.460 Cheers for that.

01:01:14.760 And then, of course, there's Suella,

01:01:16.200 who turned around and she's one of the only people...

01:01:18.400 It goes down.

01:01:19.600 Does it go down now?

01:01:20.600 Yes.

01:01:20.840 Blimey, okay, that's confusing.

01:01:21.920 they go down now don't oh god i hate that film as well as one of the only people that basically said

01:01:27.540 um i tried to do absolutely loads uh when i was home secretary for example i tried to crack down

01:01:32.780 on cannabis use uh saying why aren't we taking a tougher line on cannabis and all she was told and

01:01:38.560 all she could do was talk to the police i couldn't go direct i couldn't change it said the numbers of

01:01:43.300 violence against women uh were up the numbers of rape prosecutions were were really low said all

01:01:48.320 this has to change. She said, I set out quite a detailed plan and I kept urging, you can say,

01:01:52.920 this is what I really care about. I'm going to check in next time. And I'm not going to be very

01:01:55.960 happy if we haven't shown improvement, but that's it. It's all words and formalities and lip service.

01:02:00.320 And she said, I don't know what the specific answer is, but ministers do need to have some 0.99

01:02:03.320 increased level of directional power over the police. Because at the moment, it's so extreme

01:02:07.120 that ministers have zero power other than money and changing the law. There's nothing a minister

01:02:11.860 can do to direct or encourage different kinds of outcomes. And she even questioned why the

01:02:16.920 police have so many of these community networks you know lgbt islam etc why are almost all of 0.99

01:02:22.180 these home secretaries women and they seem to be treating law like basically corralling toddlers 0.99

01:02:28.880 yes just just make them get along yeah if sorry won't appease plenty of people i'm sure but if

01:02:35.780 the man is the guarantor of his family's security then ultimately men have to be the guarantor of

01:02:39.780 the nation of families security as well it stops with a guy just coming along and saying no we're

01:02:44.860 not doing that anymore we're doing this instead i don't care if you don't like it uh one such man

01:02:48.440 though wasn't james cleverly um worst named man britain who i'll finish with because this is the

01:02:52.000 last person they interviewed he admits that he was utterly impotent right quote the reality is

01:02:56.940 the home secretary is regarded as being accountable for policing in the uk and that's totally

01:03:00.260 appropriate and therefore you have to manage some kind of relationship whereby without stepping on

01:03:03.760 the toes of the formal lines of accountability i'm able to say that's going well well that's

01:03:08.620 going badly that's going differently but ultimately the chief constables are constitutionally well

01:03:12.460 within their rights to turn around and say look that's very interesting but you're not my boss

01:03:15.500 I never tried to direct the chief constables because I knew that I couldn't turn around to

01:03:19.360 the chief of constable and say I'm ordering you to do that thing or stop doing that thing

01:03:22.800 and I knew that they knew that so he is saying the chief constables of police are not accountable

01:03:28.560 to the home secretary at all so the police aren't accountable to the home secretary despite ostensibly

01:03:32.000 being so civil servants won't listen to the home secretary even before the constitutional reform

01:03:36.120 and governance act meant that they have a legal power over the home secretary they clearly aren't

01:03:39.880 listening to the public, and they think all institutions should be neutral.

01:03:42.480 They have zero power, zero will

01:03:44.180 to change things, and before you chime in,

01:03:46.200 Dan, what's that titanic

01:03:48.080 intellect James Cleverley doing now?

01:03:50.040 He's running as London mayor for the Tories.

01:03:53.960 Yes, these people are all paid a lot

01:03:56.060 of money.

01:03:58.420 We need to get rid of these people.

01:04:00.240 Yeah, I think that's

01:04:01.700 about all we can say for YouTube

01:04:03.820 is the solution to this. None of these people should be

01:04:05.920 at a job. Civil servants, police, politicians,

01:04:08.020 whatever. Clear the lot out.

01:04:09.880 Got quite a few rumble rants for that one.

01:04:14.760 That's up more, we've stopped with Base Ape, I think.

01:04:17.880 Yeah, yeah. Conor, did you just say Prevent is run by the Islamic Network?

01:04:20.760 Can you elaborate on that a little? I think you've done a segment on that before.

01:04:23.640 I've done loads of videos on it. I've done plenty of articles on it.

01:04:26.600 Steven Edgerton's done some investigation into it.

01:04:28.280 Basically, there's a 700-member Home Office Islamic Network that host Hijab days, they run Prevent.

01:04:33.800 One member of Prevent said it's institutionally racist to monitor Islamic terror,

01:04:39.240 And then a few minutes later in a seminar, she laughed and pointed at an ISIS training video and went,

01:04:43.000 Oh, I know him. He went to my school. And her brother also defected to ISIS as well.

01:04:49.140 Wow. Yeah. And Scott Seigei, youth centers, why did nobody think of this?

01:04:56.160 Great question. You know, I've never heard that idea floated before.

01:04:58.620 Let's go through to the last segment and we'll get through this and then get to some video comments.

01:05:05.140 So the Tories are seemingly reconstructing themselves.

01:05:10.440 T-1000 seems to be making a rather shocking return after years now of being non-existent in the polls,

01:05:17.760 being wiped out in the local elections last year.

01:05:20.280 They have seen a massive uptick in their polling numbers recently,

01:05:24.280 primarily because of nothing that the Tories themselves have been doing,

01:05:28.160 more primarily because they have stayed out of the spotlight and not made much trouble for themselves

01:05:33.120 while Reform and Nigel Farage have been subject to a number of controversies.

01:05:38.700 But it is currently, as a result of that, important to look at what they're doing,

01:05:44.120 where they're going, and it's the Tory party conference going on right now,

01:05:48.320 so what better time to take a look at them and see what they're up to.

01:05:52.520 I am sad to say that nothing has changed. 0.97

01:05:54.260 They are still a party of traitors, as if it wasn't obvious enough, 0.87

01:05:58.080 and that they're not going to change anything for the better.

01:06:00.960 In fact, all of the things that they changed for the worse over the past 16 years,

01:06:05.240 the 14 of which that they were in government,

01:06:07.600 they're not really sorry for any of it.

01:06:10.720 They're in fact doubling down on a lot of it.

01:06:13.900 So what's going on?

01:06:15.040 They're being led by Kemi Badenock right now,

01:06:17.320 as if that wasn't enough of a sign of where the Tories exist. 0.99

01:06:20.600 She is going out and saying she is a classic old-school conservative,

01:06:24.780 read not even really 1980s thatcherite style liberal more you know mid-2000s thatcherite

01:06:34.960 camera night maybe even but certainly not disraeli you know duke of wellington no nothing

01:06:40.160 nothing like that connor before we came onto the show you were discussing how she wrote an essay

01:06:44.340 wherein she explicitly stated we're not looking to roll back any of the progress made by social

01:06:49.840 liberalization. That was a near direct quote from her document outlining her vision for why she

01:06:56.700 should be elected Tory leader in 2024. Also, I'm an old-school conservative. You're a liberal

01:07:01.560 Nigerian woman. What are you conserving? Literally nothing about the identity, demographics, culture 0.59

01:07:07.060 of our country. You are a foreigner in all senses, and this is why... She's a passport baby as well. 1.00

01:07:13.760 Explicitly so. When she first ran for MP and failed before 2017, because she was elected in 1.00

01:07:18.280 2017, she had a run before that. She had a website that was literally saying,

01:07:21.060 Kemi for Nigeria. I will be a voice for Nigeria and Nigerians in the British Parliament.

01:07:25.380 So you're conserving your own ethnic interest.

01:07:27.260 She's also a long-time associate and loyalist of Michael Gove,

01:07:30.720 and we know that he only has the best interests of this country in mind as well.

01:07:35.480 I have a particular grudge about that one.

01:07:37.020 I bet, I bet. And what are they talking about at the conference that we know so far?

01:07:42.640 Well, are they going to make any sweeping changes?

01:07:44.460 Are they going to reverse all of the awful things that they did whilst in government?

01:07:48.280 No, they are going to tinker around the edges of tax codes and some benefits, they say.

01:07:55.580 I doubt they'd actually do all of that much.

01:07:58.620 What, the taxes they put up?

01:07:59.780 Yes.

01:08:00.560 As their conference gets underway, they've pledged to end a childcare cliff edge,

01:08:04.000 which currently means parents earning more than £100,000 don't qualify for the entitlement.

01:08:08.800 We don't want to just shove our children into nurseries and daycares 1.00

01:08:12.760 and have them be raised by Africans instead of us. 1.00

01:08:15.160 Like, this is more GDP thinking. 0.87

01:08:17.080 It's, if we hire someone to take care of your kids, more money's changing hands. 0.81

01:08:19.800 Actually, I'd rather my wife be eligible to stay home and raise the children that she had, 0.99

01:08:23.440 because she loves them. 1.00

01:08:24.400 Your wife should be able to transfer all of her tax allowances onto you. 0.97

01:08:27.720 Exactly. 0.71

01:08:28.600 Well, that sounds nice, but wouldn't that be rolling back some of the progress made by 0.87

01:08:33.580 social liberalisation, which means that your wife now has the honour, the privilege, 1.00

01:08:39.000 of being an office-based HR wage slave? 0.93

01:08:43.260 Is that not a better life? 0.98

01:08:44.820 We've got to generate more jobs for the Boris wave,

01:08:46.460 Because they're not going home, of course.

01:08:47.740 We couldn't possibly send them back to them.

01:08:48.940 No, we'll get on to that.

01:08:50.820 The party has also promised to deliver 50,000 new prison places

01:08:54.060 by slashing the overseas age budget to £1 billion a year. 1.00

01:08:58.000 They should be filling them. 0.60

01:08:58.860 In a bid to end the early release of offenders.

01:09:02.080 I doubt in practice that this would actually happen.

01:09:05.020 She also released a new article and a 100-page document essay

01:09:10.560 talking about the right way.

01:09:12.900 It's called The Right Way.

01:09:14.360 The Right Way for the Economy.

01:09:15.500 The Right Way for Energy.

01:09:16.240 the right way for government i wasn't going to read through all of the fluff so i simply skipped

01:09:20.600 to the conclusions and it's what you would expect the economy they're going to lower some taxes cut

01:09:25.820 red tape and regulation very very boilerplate stuff all the things they promised before and

01:09:31.180 then decided not to do yes yes well and that's the problem with the tories is that they are gaining

01:09:35.780 momentum again despite having not done anything and despite having frankly not apologized and

01:09:41.580 repented for all of the terrible things that they did before they just allowed a bunch of the more

01:09:46.300 recognizable and visible faces behind the Boris wave to shift themselves over to reform and then

01:09:52.400 gone we're a completely new party we're a completely new party that those people who were

01:09:57.540 in government before us nothing to do with us we're a completely new party please ignore us

01:10:02.460 for a little bit while reform ends up tanking themselves for a while and sadly it seems to be

01:10:07.720 working kemi herself has become something of a um cult of personality amongst the telegraph and 0.86

01:10:14.160 the acolytes of the telegraph it's like north korea for posh gays yeah they're they're really

01:10:19.480 really thrilled they're being led by a black woman yeah that if there's one thing that you can take 0.94

01:10:24.820 away from that it's the people who remain in the tory party are really really really thrilled that 0.63

01:10:30.700 they're being led by a black woman and they have some kind of from what i can see some form of 0.88

01:10:36.640 sexual fetish um from it because of the fact that i mean you can see this tim stanley who'll be 0.55

01:10:42.000 coming up later refers to kemi as mummy repeatedly yes a lot which suggests some kind of sexual

01:10:48.480 pathology which frankly is above my pay grade and i don't want to go into further here but they

01:10:53.560 point out in this telegraph article on the telegraph you know tory graph very very much on

01:10:58.060 the side of the tories uh they point out repeated polls showing reforms uh slipping back after a

01:11:04.020 catastrophic summer of sleaze. It's always sleaze in this country that does it, whereas in America

01:11:08.780 it seems the more sleazy the better. But sleaze is meant to be for like sexual impropriety, right?

01:11:13.980 And so it's just been alleged financial impropriety. Yes, which is still under investigation at the

01:11:19.300 moment. By the way, a YouGov poll last week found that reform had fallen from first to third in

01:11:23.300 projected seats compared to the same time last year, with the Tories up to second, which is quite

01:11:27.340 a shocking return after the zero seats campaign of 2024. By the way, I just looked it up and

01:11:33.220 kemi tim stanley the same age yes like she would have been the year above him in school

01:11:38.500 and yeah tim stanley's being very like very modern safe horny about her in a really gross way i don't

01:11:45.660 think um kemi is tim stanley's type well yeah but still calling a mummy is very strange um they

01:11:51.800 interview neil ferguson about kemi badenock in this and he makes the rather astonishing statement

01:11:57.660 of um he says he's one of the her supporters been drawn to or her authenticity he says that's what

01:12:03.720 people mistake for rough edges or sharp elbows but it's what modern politics needs finally

01:12:09.160 britain is a multi-racial society she's of nigerian origin married to a scotsman you can't turn the

01:12:16.800 clock back this is the new britain and you need leaders who are part of that as she is she he said

01:12:23.020 this to me directly at arc the previous arc when i asked him about this i went i'm not convinced

01:12:27.480 country aren't convinced make the case and he went look we're a we're a multi-racial society

01:12:30.900 white men like you and me are yesterday's news and we need someone uh from an immigrant heritage

01:12:34.720 to make the case for integration to the immigrants and i'm like actually no i don't want to be ruled

01:12:37.920 by a foreigner i'm supposed to vote for that yeah being told that i'm yesterday's news

01:12:41.720 i'm so glad we all voted for this at every step of the process didn't we

01:12:45.960 yeah no we didn't funnily enough was this in the manifestos i don't think so and also just the the

01:12:51.000 statement finally britain is a multi-racial society finally as if this is just the logical

01:12:56.740 conclusion that british and english society was working towards ever since ever since what the

01:13:05.220 anglo-saxon invasions he that's what that's what they were all fighting for that's what alfred 0.82

01:13:10.460 when he was turning away the vikings was fighting for was for a nigerian to get the chance to run 0.78

01:13:16.040 the country he didn't even know what a nigerian was blissful ignorance hey neil ferguson actually 0.53

01:13:21.440 says in the line after you finish quoting i explained her to americans as black thatcher 0.84

01:13:26.080 and they get it immediately.

01:13:27.140 No, they get that you are obsessed

01:13:30.080 with being ruled by a woman for some weird reason 0.98

01:13:31.840 and that you have a weird hang-up about black women

01:13:34.340 because he did say on trigonometry 0.83

01:13:35.760 that his mixed-race kids were better looking

01:13:37.620 than his white kids,

01:13:38.720 and that is a weird thing to say.

01:13:39.820 This is a very weird thing to say.

01:13:41.280 This is a weird attitude that you find

01:13:43.460 in a lot of the current supporters

01:13:46.760 of the Conservative Party.

01:13:48.540 They seem to want to be stepped on,

01:13:51.600 is what I'm drawing from it.

01:13:53.380 What's yellow fever,

01:13:54.520 but when you like the new view.

01:13:56.660 Let's not say that one.

01:13:57.720 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:58.040 What were you about to follow up with?

01:13:59.620 Well, I was going to say,

01:14:00.260 I'm probably going to say this

01:14:00.900 and get it in trouble,

01:14:01.620 but so Neil's married to Iann,

01:14:03.860 who I worked with for quite a while,

01:14:05.440 and Iann does not feel this way.

01:14:07.400 She once said to me,

01:14:08.480 everything would be better 0.75

01:14:09.560 if we just let competent white men 0.84

01:14:10.820 run everything. 0.62

01:14:12.240 Still, it's probably not best

01:14:13.260 if we try and start any discord.

01:14:14.660 No, I'm not,

01:14:15.440 but it's just like, 1.00

01:14:16.220 if even the strong black women 0.93

01:14:18.840 that Neil has in mind 0.94

01:14:19.900 to run everything think, 0.98

01:14:20.880 actually, I could quite like white blokes 0.59

01:14:22.320 run things for a change

01:14:23.300 because it'd be less problem it's like i don't really see this as the path forward stand down

01:14:27.460 lads chat has answered me yeah well thank you very much random name we know you we can always

01:14:31.720 always rely on you um anyway so what what else are they saying at the uh at the conference well

01:14:37.500 you know you like to say you're gonna get some marginal tax fiddling around the edges i'm sure

01:14:44.220 a few tax cuts are going to really help coming from the party that is a massively bankrolled

01:14:50.640 by property tycoons and have a financial interest in making sure that the demand for houses always

01:14:57.580 outstrips the supply by importing as many foreigners as possible. And so, you know,

01:15:02.800 a few tax cuts here and there, it's really going to help me pay off my mortgage, which is massively

01:15:07.740 inflated. Also massively inflated by, as has been spoken about in previous segments today,

01:15:13.920 asset price inflation, which is surely going to be helped by the fact that the Tory party

01:15:17.760 are massively bankrolled by city of london financial elite as well the people who are

01:15:23.100 behind all of the asset price inflation and debt leveraging and one of the reasons that this

01:15:27.960 country is so enthralled in debt in the first place uh which is why the tories are making the

01:15:33.460 very astute observation that the country has run out of money well that's the heath brilliant yes

01:15:40.020 of course i'm a gdp guy yes uh which i'm sure is going to make all of the difference if they do

01:15:45.600 ever want to start World War III, as Jacob Rees-Mogg and all of his associates seem to want to do,

01:15:50.960 at which point I'm sure the infinite money glitch will just have to get restarted. You know, we're

01:15:55.680 just going to have to exploit that one again. It's going to have to no-clip through the wall

01:15:58.800 of the Bank of England and find a little chest at the bottom with the legendary loot. Yep, yep,

01:16:02.500 they're going to open it up and the tree is going to sprout and it's going to grow money on all of

01:16:06.620 the branches and we're all going to be in prosperity forever. You're talking about a printer. At least

01:16:11.340 those of us who survive um but i expect the tory play would actually be to put up taxes anyway

01:16:17.160 because they would refuse to cut the government budget efficiently uh and as we just learned in

01:16:22.260 my segment um if they do actually get elected to government they're not allowed to do anything

01:16:25.560 yes and when they say that they want to cut back on foreign aid to one billion pounds per year

01:16:30.040 they'll probably just give all the money that they're giving anyway right now and then just

01:16:35.020 increase it why are we got any foreign aid whatsoever why are we cutting back to a billion

01:16:40.300 that's still a billion pounds of our money the steelman argument that would it would be a

01:16:44.460 projection of soft power yeah no but it really depends in what we're putting that money into

01:16:49.860 is that money going out to foreign causes and then coming back to us to furnish our own industries i

01:16:55.600 don't care about gay rights in uganda and growing tea in rwanda frankly expecting the tories to do

01:17:00.840 anything good is like expecting sticking your hand in the fire again will lead to a different result

01:17:05.420 you're just going to get burned over and over and over again because that's what it does so the

01:17:11.960 interesting thing right i've seen this my whole life is the tories governed from the left and

01:17:15.900 campaigned from the right and this is now their version of the right yeah yes and yeah on that

01:17:23.020 what other statements have been made well kenny badenock just sort of says that oh we we just kind

01:17:28.120 of forgot that we let a load of immigrants in immigration we promised to lower immigration

01:17:33.440 We wanted to lower immigration, but there were so many other things that people were looking at and focusing on. 1.00

01:17:40.900 But actually, as the numbers increased, you know, ministers didn't notice.

01:17:45.680 Oh, look, she in 2018 said, as a first generation immigrant, I'm going to personally campaign for the abolition of caps on student and working visas.

01:17:54.320 That was before the Boris Wapes. So she personally campaigned for it.

01:17:57.300 Yes, it is just a lie. And we know from other sources as well that it's a lie, like this article from Alan Manning, former head of the Migration Advisory Committee, commemorating the 10 year anniversary of Brexit, where he just says that, yeah, they did it on purpose.

01:18:12.460 They changed care worker rules to allow care workers to be eligible for work visas with numbers issued far exceeding predictions, even though you knew what was going to happen.

01:18:23.240 The implementation led to 275 visas being issued to a single care home that did not exist and 1,234 visas, which frankly just sounds like a typing error, being issued to a firm that only had four employees.

01:18:37.340 In 2023, over 100,000 visas for care workers had been granted.

01:18:42.140 Miriam Cates actually announced in Parliament, I think it was about two, three years ago now,

01:18:46.620 that of the 70,000 care worker visas she had audited, only 11,000 led to vacancies being filled.

01:18:53.920 Oh yes, I remember that.

01:18:54.840 So 59,000 visas just into the country.

01:18:57.600 Yeah, and at arm's length from the government, which is how these sort of like fake NGOs set up under Blair,

01:19:04.200 or then later Cameron in the case of NHS England,

01:19:06.580 that's supposed to work so that you can kind of obscure accountability for it. NHS England decided

01:19:13.120 to incentivise the hiring of migrant nurses by giving hospitals more money, £7,000, if they

01:19:20.140 hired a migrant rather than a British nurse. So like, she can say, oh we just didn't notice but

01:19:27.160 all of the incentives that had been set up following Brexit, following getting Brexit done

01:19:32.480 by Boris were intentional decisions to bring people in at the very least if you want to talk

01:19:38.320 about Preeti Patel she doesn't lie about it she's just there like yeah I brought them all in what

01:19:43.700 you're gonna do yeah they're living bridges back to my country yeah what a shock that you would

01:19:47.820 see it that way and then we move on to again Tim Stanley who has a very strange view of

01:19:56.580 of kemi badenok i know the term now chat has told me yes yes i think a few people have been spamming

01:20:02.880 it at you so uh thank you all very much for your help as always chat tim stanley who works for the

01:20:09.520 telegraph he is one of the co-hosts of the daily telegraph podcast with low t

01:20:14.480 with camilla tomini tomini okay uh he said that uh he's been hosting some panels at the

01:20:25.060 Conservative Party conference,

01:20:27.140 speaking in front of the young conservatives,

01:20:29.540 for instance, doing interviews with people.

01:20:31.560 Have you seen photos of the crowd?

01:20:33.000 It's not very big.

01:20:34.900 Well, it's not just that, but they've...

01:20:36.480 I mean, Jeremy Clarkson did joke that a bunch of people

01:20:38.100 come dressed as seats to his talk,

01:20:39.600 but they must have purged everyone off

01:20:41.540 decent-looking from that party,

01:20:43.820 because it really does look...

01:20:45.320 It looks like...

01:20:46.440 There's a look to the Tory boy.

01:20:48.400 Do you remember the TV show in Spy Kids 1?

01:20:50.860 I never watched any of the Spy Kids.

01:20:52.480 Okay, well, everyone will get that genius reference.

01:20:54.060 i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'll just sulk in the corner yeah that's so that's okay could you relate

01:21:00.000 it to dragon ball somehow um about 40k oh uh uh gene stealers there you are uh he's been talking

01:21:10.160 about how we're in a battle to decide the face of conservatism in this country and so what does

01:21:15.700 that battle look like what tactics are the tory is taking well we've seen a cross reference so far

01:21:21.440 But if Tim Stanley is going to be putting himself forward as a representative of the Daily Telegraph,

01:21:28.420 which are heavily Tory-aligned, and the kind of tactics that the Tories are going to be taking,

01:21:32.860 what is Tim Stanley himself saying?

01:21:35.320 Well, he's saying that the left is flattering the young while the right insults them.

01:21:39.580 OK, you know what? Maybe there's something to that.

01:21:43.660 The right does spend a lot of time insulting younger people.

01:21:47.020 He has been extra cucky this week.

01:21:49.740 Well, he literally calls every young right-winger a brown shirt

01:21:53.360 when they propose dealing with the consequences of the immigration policy

01:21:57.480 conducted by the government that he supports.

01:21:59.300 That is something of a contradiction in what he's suggesting here.

01:22:03.400 So, okay, okay, so that's not going great,

01:22:05.480 because he also is insulting anybody who is young

01:22:08.300 who doesn't like what the Tories have done to this country.

01:22:11.700 He interviewed Jacob Rees-Mogg and asked him, 0.69

01:22:15.320 are you proud of being in a generational family of cuckolds?

01:22:21.180 No.

01:22:21.720 Because Jacob Rees-Mogg's father, William Rees-Mogg,

01:22:26.140 wrote an article back when it happened for The Times

01:22:28.620 calling Enoch Powell's river of blood speech evil.

01:22:31.820 So it kind of just runs in the family.

01:22:34.080 And he asks, is this something that runs in your family?

01:22:36.260 A commitment to opposing races?

01:22:37.860 Is one of your flaws that you and your family are just too brave?

01:22:43.640 So he's very much supportive.

01:22:45.140 Maybe they should change the name to the Cuxervative Party

01:22:47.440 and change the logo to just a chair in the corner of the image.

01:22:51.260 I mean, it sounds like...

01:22:52.040 Well, then Richard Tice would rejoin.

01:22:53.140 Well, yes.

01:22:54.100 It also sounds like it would fit at the Tory conference itself

01:22:57.140 because it sounds like the plenty chairs spare.

01:23:00.260 And, you know, then the most notorious clip

01:23:03.580 that's come from this so far is this one.

01:23:05.860 Tim Stanley stating that he feels proud and excited

01:23:08.160 that the country is being led by a generation of foreigners. 1.00

01:23:10.980 Let's hear this one straight from the horse's mouth. 1.00

01:23:12.660 I think we've got a battle against the far right

01:23:14.560 that needs to be won in this country.

01:23:16.280 And the Conservative Party has a unique opportunity

01:23:18.700 to not redefine, but reclaim the centre-right 0.63

01:23:23.480 from the lunatics.

01:23:25.180 And there's a very positive story to be told 0.59

01:23:27.620 when we're having so many conversations about ethnicity,

01:23:30.460 what is English, what isn't English,

01:23:31.760 about being led by a British Nigerian leader 0.87

01:23:33.960 who understands what's flawed about this country,

01:23:36.820 but also loves it. 0.83

01:23:38.700 What's flawed about where she came from,

01:23:40.660 but also what she loves about it.

01:23:42.380 And as the country changes, which it is,

01:23:44.560 people can be moan that but it's happened and it ain't going back I think

01:23:49.180 she's a generational transitional figure that cuts through culturally and I don't

01:23:54.100 think we should shy away from both the excitement and the pride I personally

01:23:58.240 feel and people laugh at this I don't give a damn but they laugh I feel proud

01:24:01.480 about the fact that the country is being led by a generation of of people who

01:24:07.120 read of a change in in ethnicity I'm very happy to see that being reflected

01:24:12.520 It doesn't bother me at all, and I'm happy about it.

01:24:14.540 So I'm keen for her to do that. 0.99

01:24:17.060 I'm really proud of being ruled by foreigners. 1.00

01:24:19.160 Yes. 1.00

01:24:19.460 Fuck squared. 0.99

01:24:20.700 Yes, and hence why nobody showed up to the conference this year. 0.99

01:24:24.480 Well, Tim, for context, he used to lead the Labour Society at Cambridge.

01:24:28.340 He said previously on the Daily Tea that he sympathises with the Green Party's immigration policy.

01:24:32.040 And then on stage in 2023, when Jacob Rees-Mogg got rushed by some demented open borders activist at NatCon,

01:24:38.320 Tim followed him and he said, you know, as a Catholic, I think it's terribly wrong to speak about closing our borders and rejecting refugees. 0.79

01:24:45.680 We must welcome in the stranger because, you know, literally every Somalian with a Kalashnikov is basically the Good Samaritan.

01:24:50.940 Well, the problem with the Good Samaritan is the thing that made him remarkable was that the rest of the Samaritans were terrible. 0.97

01:24:57.920 That's the point of the parable. 0.92

01:25:01.600 Have you ever heard his story about being mugged?

01:25:04.380 No.

01:25:04.620 So he was mugged in London and the guy didn't have a weapon or anything.

01:25:08.100 He basically just came up to him and said,

01:25:09.880 I have heard this.

01:25:10.680 Could you please go to the Cashpoint machine

01:25:12.100 and get some money out?

01:25:13.200 And so Tim basically walked him across town

01:25:15.060 to find a Cashpoint machine,

01:25:16.780 eventually found one that was working

01:25:18.300 and gave him his money.

01:25:19.280 Is this real?

01:25:20.080 Yeah, it was.

01:25:20.620 I remember this clip.

01:25:21.620 No, no, I remember it, actually.

01:25:22.900 Am I being trolled right now?

01:25:23.520 No, no, I remember this one.

01:25:24.540 No, you can mug Tim Stanley without a weapon,

01:25:27.480 just basically just saying,

01:25:28.640 could you...

01:25:29.040 We're not advising you to do so.

01:25:30.800 Apparently, you just could.

01:25:32.540 Apparently, you just could.

01:25:33.180 If you just ask politely, yeah.

01:25:35.000 i mean how very generous of him um i just don't agree that there's something morally good about 0.98

01:25:41.920 being led by a black woman i'm sorry that's your only sales pitch oh i feel great about being led

01:25:46.840 by black okay i don't i don't want to i mean you talk about you talk about weak men create hard 0.98

01:25:50.840 times i mean hello we've got i mean example prime number one right here i mean good god

01:25:56.340 after he got um a lot of flack for this clip amongst others he decided being a good zennial

01:26:03.520 he decided to respond with sort of like millennial snark

01:26:07.900 saying I'm being named and shamed after being caught on camera saying racism is bad

01:26:12.060 this might be a first for a Tory conference

01:26:14.480 well no you're being named and shamed for celebrating the demographic destruction

01:26:20.160 of your home country and its nation's historic people

01:26:23.980 which some would suggest is not something that people should be happy about

01:26:28.560 he then went on to make a more substantive argument

01:26:32.000 using his faith as shield saying the basis of christian social thinking is genesis and matthew

01:26:37.200 were all made in the image of god we must love each other as god not easy uh but the message is

01:26:42.760 clear christianity rejects racism that's my final word on the matter now that's a coke advert isn't

01:26:48.300 well yes that's the thing a lot of people had very interesting things to say about this

01:26:52.480 uh they all deserve time but i think the best one was from kevin deanna who pointed out that usual

01:26:57.340 ultimately ultimately the prime logic behind this because tim stanley is a gdp gdp brained

01:27:05.360 um cockroach uh he he is he is cattle um is that actually fitting that the company the

01:27:13.320 accompanying image is an advert for a soft drink which is the only real takeaway from this

01:27:17.920 in the end it boils down to selling people with low impulse control sugar water calling it the

01:27:23.720 will of God and using the money to move away from them. That's it. Ultimately, the Conservatives

01:27:29.540 can wrap it up in as much sort of religious or ideological finery as they want. Kenny Badenock

01:27:37.280 can write a 100-page document about this. Tim Stanley can go on diatribes about how it's the

01:27:45.860 Christian way. Ultimately, what this comes down to is expanding the consumer base for property

01:27:53.440 and finance and big business. That is ultimately what this comes down to. Your needs, your wants,

01:28:01.700 your historic nation are completely incidental and can and will be sacrificed so that we can get

01:28:07.760 larger GDP, God willing. And that's what the Conservatives have stood for for a very, very

01:28:14.720 long time is what they still stand for be under no false assumptions all right i'll go on with a

01:28:22.780 couple of the last rumble ransom can we get we are we no longer on the bit that's going to be on

01:28:26.660 youtube yes can i get chat just to give me all of the fevers just like all of them like

01:28:31.860 i'm putting not just asians or nigerians i want i want the i want the full list go

01:28:38.420 uh pvt part 69 i can't read that sounds like the black plague no okay i didn't understand i heard

01:28:50.580 it was something okay uh just look at uh france now multi-culti works guys uh were there any

01:28:56.780 boomers attacking young women i don't know oh what the conservative party conference oh like

01:29:01.120 the reformer yeah maybe uh so only four members at the conference could only get one chair in each

01:29:06.600 corner i think there's plenty of corners and plenty of chairs so you know there's many pile

01:29:11.840 in bud pile in folks quickly the audience has completely misunderstood i'm getting answers

01:29:17.900 like saturday night fever cabin fever that that is not what i was asking i think they have got

01:29:22.680 your message uh habsification all three segments from today are proof as to why restore britain

01:29:27.700 must win so we can destroy this entire system and make sure all the people that built this

01:29:31.180 will leave their lives in ruins.

01:29:33.880 Fictagius asked him what with ethnicity is being replaced.

01:29:39.140 What ethnicity is being replaced?

01:29:41.620 Great question.

01:29:42.620 Is Rishi Sunak being replaced?

01:29:46.320 Question?

01:29:47.580 If he's just as English as the rest of us, 1.00

01:29:49.320 then surely it's a good job that there's less of him as well. 1.00

01:29:52.620 Or is there more of them?

01:29:53.820 I find this all something so difficult to follow.

01:29:56.580 All right, we're getting the video comments up now.

01:29:58.920 We have gone a little bit over,

01:30:00.140 but we'll be fine here we go we've got four video comments today folks thank you everybody who sends

01:30:05.980 them in uh we really appreciate all of our gold subscribers they're trolling me i don't think

01:30:09.640 beaver fever is a thing i mean i could see how it could be but is that a furry thing

01:30:14.400 oh that's not what i was thinking

01:30:16.600 the left-wing hatred for chris hansen is an interesting phenomenon because you can just

01:30:26.820 asking him, like, why do you hate Chris Hansen? Do you support

01:30:28.980 pedophiles? And they'll usually say

01:30:31.000 no, and, you know, they'll

01:30:32.840 have, like, reasons, like, oh, it's all about his own

01:30:34.840 ego, and it's all about him making money

01:30:36.720 for himself. This makes

01:30:38.820 a pretty good counterpoint to whenever they

01:30:40.700 talk to you about, you know,

01:30:42.500 anti-fascism, saying, how can you be against

01:30:44.800 it? Are you pro-fascism?

01:30:46.760 Just tell them, everything you hate about

01:30:48.720 Chris Hansen is basically ten times

01:30:50.900 worse for anyone that is a

01:30:52.640 professional anti-fascist or

01:30:54.580 anti-racist.

01:30:56.820 i can't believe they put a rabbi on the film well i mean he actually did yeah i know but i can't

01:31:01.620 confront the rabbi in real life does he get shot outside pornhub no no not that one no um

01:31:08.820 i don't know i i always just think uh when i think of chris hansen and people who hate him

01:31:12.660 i always just think of the norm mcdonald thing where he's like i thought the worst part was

01:31:16.580 the rape it was the pedophiles actually the indigenous of north america have a strongly

01:31:22.980 tribal society and it shows in their culture. They practice a rather primitive form of socialism with 0.91

01:31:28.100 long houses, dead mothers, strong societal stratification, and reliance on elders to

01:31:32.660 resolve issues. The trouble is that elders assume the complainant has a valid reason for their

01:31:37.540 accusation and so the defendant must be guilty. The Adventures of John R. Dewitt is a fascinating

01:31:43.140 insight into the culture of North American Indians and how, perhaps, we have little to learn from them.

01:31:50.580 Interesting. Thanks for the info.

01:31:52.980 Hey guys, with the Democrats coming out today saying, hey, we're going to do mass

01:32:00.780 advocacy for all the illegals, and so, as much as you guys say, Trump portrayed us and

01:32:07.240 all that fun stuff, Trump did not want us to go for Spain, France, Germany, England,

01:32:16.180 in fact, told you guys not to do that, well, look, you're leaders, so I think I know who

01:32:22.180 I'm going to vote for. Yeah, I don't think it's a question of anyone voting for the Democrats. I

01:32:27.280 think the argument is you shouldn't reward terrible Republicans like Vivek Ramaswamy for

01:32:32.100 spitting in the eye of American voters and yet winning the primary anyway. And as far as

01:32:36.020 Republicans go, I mean, again, look, I've got really good friends that are quite senior in

01:32:38.760 administration. Some of them are really quite demoralized because they have wanted to do mass

01:32:42.420 deportations. The internal deportations numbers aren't as rosy, as they once said, that the PR

01:32:47.620 about record arrest numbers in July didn't actually translate to more deportations. And if

01:32:51.820 you don't want them to have mass amnesty the next time the democrats get in hey neither do i look i

01:32:55.620 love america i don't want it destroyed you better get all of the people that will be the recipients

01:32:58.580 of that amnesty out of the country then so that they can't give amnesty to anyone and at the

01:33:03.640 moment that's not happening as much as i would like i mean they're doing some good stuff on

01:33:07.340 legal migration but the deportations just haven't happened in sufficient numbers yeah i mean vivek

01:33:12.220 ramazwamy will just want to replace you legally anyway i mean that's that's clear and obvious i

01:33:16.800 mean the guy is literally a scammer like i mean like he made his fortune scamming his parents

01:33:22.880 scammed the country to yeah uh so i don't know why you trust anything that somebody like he

01:33:26.840 he would say i know you're not necessarily like um supporting ramazwamy or saying that people

01:33:31.260 should vote for him specifically uh the other thing is as well um following november 2024

01:33:36.840 trump did come out and say things like he wanted to do a dreamer amnesty the daca amnesty farm

01:33:43.460 workers um which he was getting a lot of pressure from from department of agriculture yeah so i mean

01:33:48.680 i know he hasn't done anything like that but there's still time for stuff like that to change

01:33:53.140 i hope it doesn't uh and i hope the democrats don't get in so that they can do an amnesty or

01:33:57.560 anything but again it takes the administration that exists right now um to avoid a flip because

01:34:05.920 voters are picky hey again loads eaters i'm going to make a tea but i'll be doing it with

01:34:16.160 some raw milk and some farm acquired honey

01:34:21.680 about what you just used to pour the water

01:34:29.900 this is asmr

01:34:37.420 wait do americans not have kettles no no

01:34:41.660 how do they heat water we're in a in a pot on the hob

01:34:46.880 i don't know why jeans as well yeah they also have a lot of them have home coffee machines

01:34:52.700 all right i don't know why they don't why don't you guys have kettles

01:34:56.420 it seems strange maybe they spent that money on air conditioning or something

01:34:59.900 i've got both you can do it uh right do you want to do a couple of written comments before we wrap

01:35:06.220 up yeah let's do a couple of them samson get this screen out of the way come on hurry i just heard

01:35:12.860 desperately grab his mouse yeah there you go all right uh i'd say two from each all right um

01:35:20.140 omar awards says uh however much anyone thinks world war three is going to cost they need to

01:35:25.220 remember to multiply it by 10 or 20 to account for the changing of equipment uh of green energy

01:35:30.780 and all that stuff we i mean just the in this country world war three will cost a lot just

01:35:35.600 just on the um consultation and planning stage i mean that actually 80 of the budget would go into

01:35:40.200 that um henry ashman says gdp is not really that useful as a measure of the economy anymore

01:35:45.140 now that the uk is very service-based if i set up two companies uh passing 20 pounds back and forth

01:35:51.100 um 150 000 times yep uh well that's basically your point about the cow pats yes essentially right

01:35:57.500 quite so if you live a picture is worth a thousand words you need to find that picture that was taken

01:36:01.500 of the home office it was only brown women wearing hijabs which explains everything you've been

01:36:04.980 conquered quite i can't really add any more to that and the other one which wasn't even related

01:36:08.780 to the segment

01:36:09.300 but it's from

01:36:09.780 Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex

01:36:10.820 Connor and Harry

01:36:11.640 will you two be

01:36:12.180 breaking down lanterns

01:36:13.140 and how terrible

01:36:13.700 it's treated all of the characters

01:36:14.700 I actually have

01:36:15.760 in a video that's coming about

01:36:16.820 out in about 20 minutes

01:36:18.260 on my channel

01:36:18.880 I won't put Harry through that

01:36:20.680 but what we do want to do

01:36:21.660 for Comics Corner

01:36:22.280 and it might take years

01:36:24.860 if we don't make it more regular

01:36:26.900 but I do want to go through

01:36:28.260 all of Geoff Johns'

01:36:29.340 Green Lantern run

01:36:30.020 Bloody hell

01:36:30.940 I mean that's a commitment

01:36:31.960 but that'd be fun

01:36:33.260 Three part series

01:36:33.880 Yeah to be fair

01:36:34.940 we're gonna come back

01:36:36.680 to Berserk

01:36:37.440 at some point soon anyway

01:36:38.620 so you know the one we're filming this afternoon we can't wait yes uh sophie live this is just a

01:36:45.000 struggle exam of this guy going look at how not racist i am i am not i am the most not racist to

01:36:49.700 not racist ever please do not please tell me i did a good being so not racist and then kemi gave

01:36:56.380 him a doggy treat for being so well behaved i wouldn't be shocked if that's part of their

01:36:59.700 relationship dynamic zesty king a few years ago i talked about immigration with the chief of staff

01:37:04.700 of the Conservative Party. He told me if we didn't have mass immigration, then the economy would

01:37:09.360 collapse. So it's being done as the lesser of two evils. Kemi Badenoch is lying. They did it on 0.76

01:37:14.280 purpose. Yes, won't you think of the hedge funds? The hedge funds need those mortgages to be able

01:37:21.260 to make money off of them. How are mortgage-backed securities going to keep rising if we don't have

01:37:28.500 mass immigration bringing in infinity people all of the time? Who's going to serve you your pret 1.00

01:37:34.000 in Westminster 1.00

01:37:35.240 everywhere else

01:37:36.080 is going to

01:37:37.000 have to just

01:37:37.740 make do I suppose

01:37:38.680 anyway

01:37:39.900 yeah so

01:37:41.140 thank you very very much

01:37:42.200 for watching

01:37:42.700 that's all we've got

01:37:43.480 time for

01:37:44.140 thank you Connor

01:37:44.880 for joining us

01:37:45.520 and Dan

01:37:45.940 yes

01:37:46.700 and I'm going to

01:37:48.360 complete this list

01:37:49.100 I don't care what it takes

01:37:50.340 I'm on it now

01:37:51.000 yeah

01:37:51.460 I want to know

01:37:52.220 all the terms

01:37:52.860 give them your Twitter at

01:37:53.960 and they can spam you there

01:37:55.680 yes

01:37:55.960 at King Bingo

01:37:57.220 but I want

01:37:57.780 I mean like

01:37:58.460 if you like 0.96

01:37:59.000 Danish girls

01:38:00.120 or Peruvians 1.00

01:38:01.260 I want the lot

01:38:02.440 I'm going to

01:38:03.180 I'm going to compile a list.

01:38:04.660 There we go.

01:38:05.500 Well, that's your extracurricular activity for the day.

01:38:09.020 Besides that, we'll all see you again tomorrow.

01:38:12.420 You've thrown me off, Dan.

01:38:14.020 We'll see you again tomorrow.

01:38:16.340 Take care this afternoon and goodbye.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 07, 2026

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