The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1526

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the loadseaters for i don't know what day

00:00:04.240 is it tuesday tuesday tuesday the 13th of october 2026 i'm joined by harry and luca hello and today

00:00:09.780 we're going to be talking about the complete cope about russia from the liberal elite led by

00:00:14.640 burnham instantly on this one uh ilhan omar getting uh raided about time really and uh how

00:00:23.140 avatar the last airbender was actually based and you didn't notice which is very very good yeah i

00:00:28.720 love i've started the last time but it's actually one of the few things i actually like these days

00:00:32.180 um anyway right let's just get straight into it shall we so andy burnham has been saying a lot

00:00:38.380 about rejoining the european union now if you're in makerfield i hope you feel proud of yourself

00:00:42.660 as makefield 65 percent leave for some reason decided yeah no we need to elect andy burnham

00:00:49.280 to get us back into the eu because he's had this this has been a canard for andy burnham

00:00:54.020 for many years like i mean he can he can put on the tween northerner so you can do the northern

00:00:59.760 accent i can't do the northern accent that is his accent a northern accent let's have a pie

00:01:05.960 right he can do his little like a great time yeah i mean that does sound like a good time

00:01:09.760 but i we'll get fray bentos in just for you i do love fray bentos anyway right the point is he can

00:01:16.940 put on his little tween northerner act all he wants but really he does represent the liberal

00:01:21.160 elites and the interests of the liberal elite which is why he's constantly obsessing over the

00:01:25.460 eu right he's constantly oh we need to undo brexit we need to undo brexit you know average northerner

00:01:30.640 opinion oh right no that's not the idea that's not the opinion of the northerners it's not the

00:01:35.440 thing that led to your the labor party's specific betrayal over brexit led to the collapse of the

00:01:40.820 red wall in 2019 yes and boris's message of get brexit done obviously totally betrayed us nothing

00:01:46.980 to do that cut through and destroyed those heartlands exactly and they're they're going to

00:01:52.760 just redo what what you voted against they're going to get us back on there and andy burnham

00:01:58.860 like i said he believes this as much as keir starmer believed it there's a core value for

00:02:03.540 the liberal elite in this country and so andy burnham went on the rest is politics you know

00:02:09.700 that non-partisan objective podcast with dissident really i think dissident's the right word yeah

00:02:16.060 i think it's the right word to use you know if there's one if there's one uh podcast that's

00:02:20.660 really challenging power it's tony blair's former spin doctor and golem from lord of the rings

00:02:27.420 getting the prime minister on to explain to the to to their audience uh and just to be clear this

00:02:35.500 is a wild conspiracy theory from andy burnham uh that russia caused brexit there is certainly

00:02:43.280 misinformation disinformation that is emanating from Russia into German politics as I heard

00:02:50.400 yesterday and I've asked the question myself coming in to this role because I gave a speech

00:02:56.720 to the UN recently on this very topic I don't think we knew back then the extent to which there

00:03:01.860 was state-sponsored interference in the British democratic process but I asked the question coming

00:03:08.340 to downing street well was there interference in the 2016 referendum from russia and i've had the

00:03:14.300 clear answer that yes there was and then these things are important now to put clearly on the

00:03:20.040 record and i believe help voters in germany and france understand that some of this politics is

00:03:27.640 instigated via our enemies right okay that's an incredibly strong statement he has seen evidence

00:03:36.540 or he's been told that there is evidence that russia interfered with the brexit referendum

00:03:41.740 somehow caused it uh as he as he said the the politics is clearly on the record uh that this

00:03:49.900 is instigated instigated as in it didn't exist it was begun by russia it's like you are you are mad

00:03:58.420 but sorry go on luca i was just gonna say and also implicitly because uh the referendum results were

00:04:03.420 basically 48 to 52 yeah the implication is and therefore because of russian interference the

00:04:09.540 margin of error of those who gave into russian lies was obviously so pernicious that basically

00:04:15.360 that's why we're now out of the european union and therefore discounting all of the perfectly

00:04:20.960 justifiable reasons that we went on about for years and years and you know it's uh nauseating

00:04:27.000 to have to read retread the entire argument again but you can see where this is going it's just a

00:04:33.060 cassis belly yes render the entire thing illegitimate but it's also a way of mollifying

00:04:38.180 their bruised egos i mean look at rory stewart's face look at astor campbell's faces like yeah

00:04:42.420 yeah it wasn't that we were out of touch with the electorate it wasn't that people hate us

00:04:46.960 for betraying them it's that russia did this to us it's a cope you don't need to change you didn't 0.91

00:04:52.920 do anything wrong as far as the perspective of your own comes is from what from where you're

00:04:58.920 coming from it's that russia interfered oh well there we go then there we go it was never us it

00:05:03.920 was always something external no that's not the way it went i wouldn't be surprised if you know

00:05:09.140 to try and kickstart some kind of domino effect reaction where a bunch of other parties uh a bunch

00:05:16.320 of other countries leave and it weakens the european block against russia if russia were to

00:05:21.720 you know have some bot farms or something boosting pro-brexit stuff the thing is though you do kind of

00:05:27.100 need evidence yeah well i mean i mean if a bot farm is the best russia can do i'm not that

00:05:33.080 worried about it yeah but you also got to do a bit better than a trust me bro yeah well that's

00:05:38.140 the thing ed davy came out and supported andy burnham he said well i'm not going to agree with

00:05:42.220 andy burnham on everything i mean you are though what is there that you disagree with with andy

00:05:47.820 burnham um but uh yep no the conservatives suppressed this truth forever and alice campbell

00:05:53.080 of course was like oh russian bots are out in force on this one people disagreed people disagree

00:05:58.300 with you people want to be heard and you in order to again make sure that your ego does not get

00:06:05.520 further damaged have decided that none of them are legitimate people they're all just fakes they're 0.79

00:06:10.180 all just russian bots and you don't need to listen to them they've got nothing valuable to say they're 0.59

00:06:14.060 wrong about everything and for some reason the british public which i suppose now is about well

00:06:18.500 about 52 percent russian bots decided to vote for brexit it's the way it goes but of course

00:06:24.340 these sentiments as well these when he's talking about oh and protecting france and germany from

00:06:28.620 misinformation it's like oh yeah because they're doing so well under the politicians of your ilk

00:06:33.940 aren't they mr burnham they're not at all on the downswing as if the french and german governments

00:06:38.480 weren't interfering with the brexit referendum as well by making statements about the nature of what

00:06:43.920 should happen and saying to us look we're going to punish you effectively if you do this david

00:06:48.760 cameron actively saying to obama can you chip in here and say what will happen if we if we leave

00:06:55.220 basically coercion um but no it's all just russian bots so i mean it's not like this hasn't been

00:07:01.320 something that we've already been through right this this constant and this happened with the

00:07:06.800 democrats in america it's happening on the continent against the afd and against marina

00:07:11.160 the pen and it's of course happening here which is oh everything has to be russia i mean there

00:07:15.500 was a report done in 2019 that said quote the government had not seen or sought evidence of

00:07:20.800 successful interference in the uk democratic processes an official uk government response

00:07:25.140 was we have seen no evidence of successful interference where is it what's the evidence

00:07:30.980 what is it prevent it right the the rest of this wikipedia article about this is basically like

00:07:37.360 like aaron banks went met with a russian guy so okay but what does that mean there's another one

00:07:44.980 um in here twitter bots right russia today so right so it's talking it's people talking

00:07:52.280 and just you know britney kaiser the former development of blah blah blah was subpoenaed

00:07:58.880 by robert muller blah blah blah blah person with links to okay but what's this mean what's the

00:08:04.820 actual consequence of all of this and the answer just seems to be well nothing like nothing concrete

00:08:10.680 or substantive has been proven or i mean even even not even proven but like presented as evidence

00:08:19.540 right and so people are just like look this is um basically soviet politics right this is a parody

00:08:26.400 of an old soviet joke two leftists die and go to heaven the first ask god god did russia interfere

00:08:31.540 in the Brexit referendum.

00:08:32.560 And God replies, no.

00:08:33.820 The British people just don't like immigration.

00:08:35.740 And one looks at the other and said,

00:08:37.140 this goes higher up than we thought.

00:08:39.140 And that's genuinely the attitude.

00:08:42.020 That's genuinely the attitude they have.

00:08:44.520 They can't accept that there are things

00:08:46.660 outside of the liberal consensus

00:08:48.460 that inform the way that people voted. 0.88

00:08:50.840 It has to be Russia.

00:08:52.320 It has to be something like that.

00:08:53.740 And so Burnham was confronted about this in Parliament.

00:08:57.460 And man, this is the walk back to end all walk backs.

00:09:01.540 this is incredible can i just address the point that she said i implied no such thing in my

00:09:09.060 comments on the rest is politics podcast i think she should go back and and look again it is a

00:09:16.580 matter of record mr speaker that russian actors sought to interfere in the 29 general election

00:09:24.820 and we think it is inconceivable that this was the first time well that's it that's the evidence

00:09:34.880 he's working with we we think they sought to okay russia also sought to go to the moon china

00:09:42.380 seek to do all sorts of interferences on us people can like i seek to start a colony on mars

00:09:47.980 is that that's nothing you literally said they did this that was your statement they did i mean

00:09:56.340 we can go back and watch we'll go back and watch your statement again right they instigated the

00:10:01.060 brexit referendum there is certainly misinformation disinformation that is emanating from russia into

00:10:08.580 german politics as i heard yesterday and i've asked the question myself coming in uh to this

00:10:15.200 role because i gave a speech to the un recently on this very topic i don't think we knew back then

00:10:20.780 the extent to which there was state-sponsored interference in the british democratic process

00:10:26.640 but i asked the question coming into dowring street well was there interference in the 2016

00:10:32.600 referendum from russia and i've had the clear answer that yes there was 26 2016 referendum

00:10:38.760 from russia not 2019 parliamentary election as he said in the house of commons i i i have another

00:10:45.980 question if the wikipedia page is implying that simply having access to a news source from russia

00:10:53.680 is some kind of influence that russia had because i'm sure all of the brexit voters were

00:10:59.860 habitual rt watch yeah the implication seems to be that simply having access to foreign media of

00:11:07.900 any kind is foreign interference into a political system and social media and you know what and

00:11:14.440 social media as well and you know what there is actually an argument to be made that yes

00:11:18.620 to a certain extent it is uh but given this government and preceding governments as well

00:11:22.880 and sorts of people we're looking at with rory stewart and alastair campbell

00:11:25.800 if simply having access to foreign information is tantamount to foreign government interference

00:11:34.480 what does that say for allowing millions of actual foreigners into the country and then

00:11:40.920 giving them access to the electoral system are you not are you not suggesting also that well

00:11:45.920 those people are going to vote for whatever benefits their home governments that's not

00:11:50.300 foreign interference for some reason yeah but even then he he says well it's a matter of record

00:11:55.540 they sought to interfere in the 2019 election and we think this is inconceivable it was the first

00:11:59.660 time therefore they must have done it in 2016 as well therefore our wipeout didn't actually matter

00:12:06.260 then present your evidence you've got no evidence you you said yes concretely they interfered with

00:12:11.140 the brexit referendum you said this explicitly um show us the evidence no one else has presented

00:12:18.200 any evidence you have yet to provide any evidence i'm actually genuinely shocked how shocked how

00:12:23.040 strong his claim was and honestly kemi badenock did a good job of confronting him on it she said

00:12:28.420 well, no, there was a report done to this.

00:12:29.840 Nothing has been presented.

00:12:31.180 What are you basing this on?

00:12:32.820 And, of course, he had to give this mealy-mouth, 0.71

00:12:34.820 well, I mean, they sought to do things. 0.88

00:12:36.980 Yeah, Russia seeks to do everything, but, like, who cares?

00:12:39.900 Like, what you're doing is accusing them of things

00:12:43.160 that are simply beyond their power, I think.

00:12:45.480 I don't think Russia has the capacity to manipulate British democracy.

00:12:49.200 Right, but also in the negotiations,

00:12:51.000 the EU sought to partition the United Kingdom,

00:12:54.440 taking Northern Ireland from us.

00:12:55.920 And they were constantly browbeating us, telling us how bad they were going to make it for us.

00:13:01.100 Yes.

00:13:01.440 As if this isn't a form of coercion, as if this isn't a form, but they don't care.

00:13:05.140 Because, of course, it's on their side of the argument, and therefore they're like, oh, God, good point. 0.71

00:13:09.040 That foreign interference is fine. 0.99

00:13:11.240 But the reason, the question, though, is, well, why are we even having this conversation?

00:13:15.420 Why does Brexit lean large in their minds?

00:13:17.240 Sorry, actually, also, just on, isn't this, couldn't this be considered some kind of disinformation against German elections right now?

00:13:24.980 given the given the implication is clearly if you vote afd you're doing what russia wants if it

00:13:31.640 helps it gets more than an implication which also just these active disinformation to influence

00:13:36.220 german elections we'll cover that in a second if that's all right i always end up jumping ahead

00:13:41.260 by accident i don't know it's it's completely fair because it is exactly as you say we'll just come

00:13:47.180 to it in a second um anyway the the reason that they hate this right is because the the soft left

00:13:54.200 like the sort of managerial human rights left, like most of the Conservative Party, like the

00:14:00.180 Greens, like the Lib Dems, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They all view themselves as the kind of

00:14:03.160 liberal elite of this country. And for them, making sure they aren't considered part of the

00:14:08.960 lower class is important, right? This is about status signaling. And this is just one of those

00:14:15.020 things. I mean, you've got here Dame Emily Thornberry, who said, of course, we need to discuss

00:14:20.760 about how getting back into the EU is what we need to do.

00:14:24.040 I think the majority of people in Britain

00:14:25.480 know that leaving the EU is a mistake.

00:14:27.840 So, okay, well, the majority of people in Makerfield

00:14:29.360 don't think that, but anyway.

00:14:30.720 But this is the typical sort of, well, again,

00:14:34.640 liberal elite disdain for what the working class of Britain think.

00:14:37.460 I mean, you remember that she posted this in 2014,

00:14:42.160 image from Rochester, and the image is just

00:14:44.080 a couple of England flags.

00:14:46.660 In England?

00:14:47.240 In England.

00:14:48.940 And a white van.

00:14:50.020 so basically it's just some regular working guy who wants to show that he's patriotic and emily

00:14:55.540 thornbury posted this without comment because she knew that what her liberal friends would think is 0.97

00:15:01.680 evil racism evil racism evil disgusting racist proles is what they think and that's because 0.61

00:15:09.520 that's what the brexit vote showed right lower working class upper working class 64 64 percent 0.95

00:15:15.560 leave right makerfield is actually very very typical of what the working class in britain

00:15:21.360 thinks and i mean the lower middle class it was on a knife edge and of course the upper middle class

00:15:26.840 them the emily thornburys of the world heavily remain right brexit was a class issue and the

00:15:33.860 people in charge have never gotten over it and so now they are looking for any excuse they can find

00:15:39.500 as to why the working class of britain rejected their worldview and it's i mean honestly it's

00:15:45.260 basically comes down to this and this is not to even begin to discuss the things that happened

00:15:49.980 since that record uh referendum obviously the two biggest ones being the boris wave yes and the

00:15:55.000 lockdowns yes and the way that the establishment have treated us on both occasions and the fact

00:16:00.040 that the conservatives did nothing to take advantage of brexit right i mean we we could

00:16:05.060 have done anything we could still do anything it's just for some reason our governments are

00:16:09.660 convinced that if they do something that might help us win and god forbid no no the conservatives

00:16:15.520 did take advantage of it they took advantage of it to flood us with with the commonwealth that's

00:16:20.380 true that's true they took advantage of that finally finally i can larp as a 19th century

00:16:26.960 raj like raj administrator is literally what they want there you go absolutely what they want but

00:16:33.920 the the point is they hate the working class of britain they find them resentful because they're

00:16:37.860 worried because i mean remember someone like emily thornbury i bet like her parents or

00:16:41.940 grandparents were also working class right i bet she feels relatively close to those people it's

00:16:47.800 i don't think she comes from like entrenched aristocracy is thornbury a particularly working

00:16:52.460 class surname i mean i don't know to be honest it sounds a bit posh it might be a posh but maybe

00:16:57.200 maybe that's just that's just northern prejudice maybe the maybe emily thornbury is a bad example

00:17:02.240 What on earth qualified her for a damehood as well? 1.00

00:17:06.520 Being a part of the Labour Party? 0.82

00:17:08.480 Well, that'll do it, won't it?

00:17:09.920 Yeah, being sufficiently snobbish towards the English working class, who knows?

00:17:15.560 But I think for a lot of them, there's this kind of fear of going backwards, right? 1.00

00:17:20.680 Fear of being considered low, like the working class are. 0.89

00:17:24.740 And I don't respect that whatsoever.

00:17:27.540 So, no, I'm completely with our working class countrymen,

00:17:31.020 in that i wanted brexit too and i still do uh anyway just to get back to your point about the

00:17:37.760 afd andy burnham came out and said yeah they're funded by russia one thing i did say to chancellor

00:17:43.880 mertz yesterday is we need to support you in taking on the threat that you face and particularly

00:17:50.360 the type of politics that you're facing you know he was saying to me that the afd are clearly linked

00:17:56.440 to russia funded i believe they're certainly very close they're very very close to the

00:18:00.740 russian and therefore once again mertz has to take account for nothing exactly that the cdu have

00:18:09.600 ever done yeah also like and if the afd properly get into power they would have every right to 0.79

00:18:17.680 ban all sorts like to go full scorched earth in the same way that we banned rt and such

00:18:24.480 of here because that's clearly foreign interference and the rest is politics and disinformation being

00:18:30.760 spread ban the rest is politics ban the bbc ban anything state related in information from britain

00:18:37.660 because they are like their leadership is clearly just trying to spread misinformation yeah i mean

00:18:43.000 i don't understand how this wouldn't be foreign interference in german elections as uh gpsa

00:18:49.240 points out this is something this is a very common for the german establishment right so

00:18:53.420 obviously Mertz or whoever Andy Burnham goes over and talks and they're like everything's Russia by

00:18:58.500 the way it's like right it's not your own failings as you point out it's not your own failings it's

00:19:02.560 not because you came out and recommitted to mass immigration and say no Germany is a an international

00:19:08.960 country it's a country for everyone and the AFD aren't scaling in the polls because of you 0.55

00:19:15.180 continually hammering that point no it's all just Russia remember Burnham said they instigate all

00:19:21.220 this russia is the origin point as he said in his speech of course he walked all that back because

00:19:25.940 that was a flagrant lie right the the obvious cleavages in our societies exist for reasons

00:19:32.760 that are actually quite explicable it's just you won't hear it he walks back every statement he

00:19:37.960 makes about the eu anyway he was saying we're going to think about rejoining the eu people 0.92

00:19:43.700 called him up on that i never said that oh god he's such a liar it's like he doesn't understand

00:19:47.840 that cameras are a thing that record videos and images and could be referred back to you know

00:19:53.080 that's that's it i saw someone say it's it's like he doesn't realize he's not talking to his local

00:19:57.340 party members like he sounds like he's talking to his local labor party activists was like yeah

00:20:03.060 yeah we're going to do this we're going to rejoin the eu and then someone's like and he's like oh

00:20:06.200 no no no no you weren't meant to hear that exactly in the way you're saying um but also as well i

00:20:11.000 mean just um to go back to a time with all of the institutions of britain telling us to vote for

00:20:17.400 remain and also as well david cameron's gamble yeah obviously backfiring stupendously against

00:20:23.680 him couldn't have happened to a worse traitor obviously but the point is that the idea that

00:20:29.400 britain could have left left the european union was just not part of the plan they have this

00:20:34.000 wig history sort of view of ever striving progress and there are two things one furthering european

00:20:39.800 integration and second of all replacement demographics and if you stray from any of those

00:20:45.720 If you think that's maybe not the way that should define 21st century Europe,

00:20:51.140 then you are, as he says here, the language of misinformation, disinformation.

00:20:54.760 Then actually you're outside of truth itself.

00:20:57.780 Yes.

00:20:58.200 Because truth comes from the established, trusted sources.

00:21:01.700 And one last thing as well is I really think they overestimate Russian competence, right?

00:21:06.540 I don't think Russia is nearly as competent as it would need to be

00:21:10.960 to instigate and then coordinate the Brexit campaign.

00:21:14.680 i just don't think it's capable of it and another point is russia is not a very wealthy country

00:21:21.180 like we are we are way wealthier than russia we are way more powerful than russia well we should

00:21:26.720 be anyway theoretically on paper you're not just making the mark argument all of a sudden i am

00:21:30.940 because mog is actually correct about that right mog is actually correct that we have pure in pure

00:21:37.340 financial terms yes when it comes to debt leveraging yeah we do so much but also in

00:21:42.260 things like human capital, right? We've got smarter people, we've got better educated

00:21:46.760 people. Russia can't produce a lot of the things that we produce. It just doesn't have 0.97

00:21:51.440 the technical capacity. Lucky for Russia, it's got a vast amount of natural resources

00:21:55.500 that it should be selling to us, but of course it's not, because we can't play nice with

00:21:59.960 Russia, and I'm not going to relitigate all of what's happened. But the point is, I actually

00:22:05.260 am not afraid of Russia. I actually don't find Russia to be a big, scary boogeyman.

00:22:08.380 Russia looks like it's a state that's honestly kind of on the verge of collapse constantly.

00:22:13.000 They have demographic problems too.

00:22:14.960 They have constant political corruption.

00:22:16.660 It looks like Russia is in every era just limping along. 0.88

00:22:21.260 A lot of its young men will have been sent into the meat grinder of Ukraine. 0.92

00:22:24.320 Yeah, and loads leave Russia as well. 0.96

00:22:26.520 Loads leave Russia.

00:22:27.340 So it's one of those things where I just don't buy that Russia is this omnipresent,

00:22:33.420 omnicompetent boogeyman.

00:22:35.220 I just don't buy it. 1.00

00:22:35.940 and any and like with um the cia's attempts to kill castro right so yeah they they aspire to

00:22:43.440 do things okay great so they aspire to do all sorts of things but if our incredibly well funded

00:22:48.620 and like elite uh spy institutions can't do the things they want to do what makes you think the

00:22:54.740 russians are any better and i saw like um what was it i saw um i was on radio four i think it was

00:23:01.140 they were they were i was listening to radio four on the in the car and they were talking about how 0.73

00:23:05.480 Russia is essentially still the Soviet

00:23:08.200 Union, right? And they 0.79

00:23:10.140 still think they're fighting the Soviets. It's like, oh my

00:23:12.200 God. Things have

00:23:14.220 changed so much, and so

00:23:16.080 far from what they are

00:23:18.240 saying. It's like, they're starting to sound

00:23:20.120 completely disconnected from reality to me.

00:23:22.500 But anyway, again, what do I know?

00:23:24.240 I'm just somebody who voted for Brexit.

00:23:26.240 Anyway.

00:23:29.220 This sounds

00:23:30.020 similar to

00:23:31.980 Russiagate. I remember that. Yeah, exactly.

00:23:33.940 Nothing came of Russiagate.

00:23:35.480 They even bring up Robert Mueller in the Wikipedia page regarding this.

00:23:39.480 Yeah, they do.

00:23:40.520 Think about all those poor people with a tennis elbow when you pay your taxes.

00:23:43.300 Oh, my God, don't get me stired.

00:23:45.760 It is a comedy sketch.

00:23:47.000 They interfered with his dreams, so they interfered in real life.

00:23:50.100 Yeah, basically. 0.93

00:23:51.940 Greetings from Germany.

00:23:52.880 Had a blast on the European Shield Tour in my city.

00:23:55.660 Can only recommend when it is near you to join.

00:23:58.060 Shield Tour?

00:23:58.760 Great to hear.

00:23:59.400 Oh, I think he means the Save Europe Act.

00:24:01.480 Oh, right, right, right.

00:24:02.280 that they're going around Europe to cities 0.77

00:24:04.020 to raise awareness for re-migration. 1.00

00:24:06.920 Oh, okay, good thinking. 1.00

00:24:08.240 Right, let's carry on.

00:24:09.880 Excellent.

00:24:11.780 All right, so nice simple one, this one.

00:24:14.840 Some good news for all of our American viewers,

00:24:17.500 which is that Ilhan Omar just got iced, baby.

00:24:22.500 Not that way.

00:24:24.180 She is still alive.

00:24:26.680 Donald Trump had his homeland security raid her house

00:24:31.200 because there is currently a massive ongoing investigation

00:24:34.360 into whether she should have been in the country in the first place

00:24:37.340 due to immigration fraud

00:24:39.420 based on whether her father filled in some documents

00:24:42.060 and lied about some things.

00:24:43.720 What is this about whether she married her brother?

00:24:45.220 In order to get refugee status.

00:24:46.920 And that does also come into this. 0.99

00:24:51.060 Good news, yeah.

00:24:51.840 Yes.

00:24:52.400 Now, just to make this clear,

00:24:54.580 if it were my rules,

00:24:57.140 Ilhan Omar, whether or not she was a legitimate refugee, 0.99

00:24:59.600 whether or not her father filled in paperwork in the first place, should never have been in the US 0.94

00:25:03.880 to begin with. And all of her co-ethnics, particularly in Minneapolis, where they are

00:25:10.220 provably committing massive fraud to the tune of billions of local taxpayer money, none of them

00:25:17.580 should be in the country. I don't agree with this view of the US or any European derived countries.

00:25:25.600 it's just a gigantic free-for-all for the rest of the world to come in and take advantage of

00:25:30.960 i think they should be tied to a specific time place and people uh that move onwards towards 0.53

00:25:36.900 their destiny not just a remittance bank for foreigners yeah i don't think the u.s's destiny

00:25:41.780 should be babysitting ilan omar and handing out marriage certificates to her and maybe her brother

00:25:46.500 as well so that he can get in the country and we will discuss that so so that you know what's what's

00:25:51.200 going on i will say as well the one thing this does seem to be related well this is heavily

00:25:56.580 tied into the midterms right uh currently i looked at polling he's got my vote uh currently

00:26:03.280 i looked at polling and it is looking like according to more recent polling i mean this

00:26:09.020 hasn't been factored into it yet so we'll see how it affects it uh the democrats might take

00:26:13.520 might take the midterms right as is pretty typical for something for midterms uh during a second term

00:26:20.220 in particular either way this is being done presumably as another big move uh shock and

00:26:27.540 awe by the trump administration to try and swing the pendulum back in the other direction and this

00:26:33.540 has become a big big thing for people who support ilan omar saying that this takes place in the 60

00:26:39.960 day window of the midterm elections therefore it's illegitimate because i agree you should have done

00:26:44.660 it earlier you're acting like it's a hard and fast rule where when i've been looking into it it seems

00:26:49.880 that yeah it's typically understood like scouts honor style traditionally ilhan omar doesn't get

00:26:55.620 deported within the 60-day window of the midterm elections maybe afterwards though yeah yeah it's

00:27:00.960 like it's like scouts honor policy that we don't do this but it's not actually a legal rule anywhere

00:27:06.140 so they can't they are allowed to do this so just for the information uh the federal agents executed

00:27:11.980 a search warrant in the home of ilan omar uh on monday according to three people briefed on the

00:27:18.800 matter and there is lots and lots and lots of footage of it as well you can go and look through

00:27:22.760 the bbc for all that sort of stuff the court approved search of her washington area home

00:27:27.000 comes after the department of homeland security officials said in recent months they were

00:27:30.420 investigating her over a family's immigration paperwork more recently some federal investigators

00:27:35.000 also sought to investigate other issues such as ms omar's finances campaign funds and interactions

00:27:40.160 with a foreign citizen as the times has previously foreign interference to me it i mean it might be

00:27:46.240 it might be who knows and the thing that a lot of people were pointing out a few years ago was 1.00

00:27:50.600 that ilana omar only earns of like slightly less than two hundred thousand dollars as part of her 0.99

00:27:55.020 congressional salary but her net worth was showing is anywhere between 10 and 30 million dollars 1.00

00:28:01.180 ah she's been under the stewarding wing of nancy pelosi yeah the nancy pelosi wing of the democrats

00:28:06.480 now her husband is a bloke called tim minot i believe that is his name and that was then put

00:28:13.640 down to the fact that he is like a finance broker or something who has lots and lots of money

00:28:18.320 in various funds and that was being counted as part of her net worth and when they took that

00:28:23.800 into account they reduced it to i think zero oh really so now she's got net worth nothing so now

00:28:28.660 she's just got a network that's much more smartly and that's that's very persuasive i'm very convinced

00:28:35.060 yeah it was 30 million but now it's nothing so supposedly it was all cleared up and they

00:28:39.480 i'm just saying just supposedly it was all cleared up right it's just that her husband is probably

00:28:46.000 rich in capital gains and other such things and not that she's been doing anything illegal not

00:28:51.740 that i could allege such a thing although the government is investigating uh president trump 0.94

00:28:57.260 has frequently attacked ms omar they say in here and they're we all know this uh focusing on her

00:29:03.220 somali heritage i understand they're looking at her very carefully trump told reporters on monday

00:29:08.100 she comes from a country that's a non-country and then she comes over here and complains about our

00:29:12.700 constitution i think she's a terrible person but really that's up to the doj classic trumpisms

00:29:17.840 right there i agree with trump sorry okay i just wanted to scroll down and see it but uh okay

00:29:24.320 yeah yeah yeah uh and uh so further here's some history for it all for for everybody so

00:29:30.960 her immigration immigration history the questioning of it goes back way way way longer than right now

00:29:36.700 so it's been in question since 2016 when she was made she made history as the state's first

00:29:45.380 somali-american lawmaker bear in mind she was born in mogadishu so there's there is nothing

00:29:51.960 about her or her heritage that is in any way connected to the united states other than her

00:29:57.260 family just decided let's go there with loads of other somalians which is why they're voting for

00:30:02.580 somalians to be their representatives it's remarkable as well especially with you have to

00:30:08.840 be born in america to be eligible to be the president yeah but you're everything below that 0.87

00:30:14.200 in the foundation you can come from wherever you want as if that shouldn't be the rule for all

00:30:19.260 u.s politicians yeah by the way for anyone in america wondering we don't have any rules about

00:30:24.040 that you can come from anywhere and become anything in britain apparently tragically yeah

00:30:28.780 but here's something else interesting the justice department under biden also opened

00:30:34.460 investigation into omar ilan omar in 2022 that examined her finances campaign spending and

00:30:40.520 interactions with a foreign citizen again it seems that this foreign citizen keeps coming into the

00:30:45.440 picture uh previous federal inquiries ended without any charges ms omar has called uh certain claims

00:30:54.080 like the idea that she married her brother absurd and offensive in recent months federal

00:30:59.580 investigators true how dare you point that out yeah that's the that's the one denial that i was

00:31:08.120 listening for how could you how dare you notice um federal s investigators opened the investigation

00:31:13.800 into her father among the questions investigators have looked at is whether ms omar derived

00:31:18.040 citizenship from a father who may have been ineligible to obtain naturalized status if

00:31:23.540 there is conclusive evidence the justice department could pursue criminal civil civil

00:31:27.980 denaturalization and then deport her that'd be amazing that would be live stream it yeah just

00:31:33.220 that would be the one thing that like those guys who post about saying i got what i voted for yeah

00:31:38.740 that'd be the one time where i'm like okay you you actually did literally there were a lot of

00:31:44.420 people voting for this particularly yeah i think that probably swung it for them in 24 to be honest

00:31:51.140 jd vance has basically repeated the same thing he said on some podcasts we actually think that

00:31:57.500 ilan omar definitely committed immigration fraud and just for a background again she was born in

00:32:03.220 mogadishu in the early 1980s her family fled their hometown when she was around eight as civil war

00:32:08.500 engulfed the country as it always does according to a memoir she wrote in the mid-1990s she spent

00:32:15.080 time at a refugee camp in kenya she couldn't just stay in kenya she had to come to a place with much

00:32:19.460 much more forgiving benefit system i assume and far more white people to hate yes uh and a

00:32:25.800 constitution that she despises omar and her relatives were admitted as refugees they started 0.50

00:32:30.940 a new life in minnesota and she has said that uh suggestions that she and her family committed

00:32:36.200 immigration fraud were false and politically motivated i will say it again as clear as it's

00:32:41.480 possible i'm not at all worried about these investigations because they are complete shams

00:32:45.240 she wrote in a fundraising email in september please keep giving me money the somalian reverts

00:32:51.200 back to type in all circumstances this isn't true give me money they are the scammers yeah 0.51

00:32:56.900 they're the scammers not me be generous with your donations please donate to my leering center yeah

00:33:02.840 it is uh there is the whole brother marriage aspect of part of it which is still still

00:33:12.260 allegations now i looked at i looked into this so these were marital records obtained by stephen

00:33:18.420 crowder now what this is alleging is that in february on the 12th of february 2009 she married

00:33:25.280 a gentleman named ahmed nair saeed okay and we have the documents here now at the time she was

00:33:32.180 supposedly already married to somebody who was her husband who she has well former husband at this

00:33:38.360 point who she has uh children with but at the same time she seems to have gotten married to this chap

00:33:44.460 fallen out of touch with him in 2011 and a bit of trouble spelling his own name there didn't he

00:33:49.560 uh probably a few times uh yes in fact actually yes a few times

00:33:54.280 but you know ahmed nair saeed elmi okay i mean there's not the same surname as her what's the

00:34:05.960 connection so i looked into it the somalis don't have the surname at the end they don't they don't

00:34:10.680 have proper family names like that yeah yeah i'm pretty sure i looked at this well this this is

00:34:16.420 supposedly the very super straight looking chap and so this is this is interesting because there's

00:34:22.800 nothing actually really really hard evidence saying definitively that this guy was her brother

00:34:30.660 but internet sleuths did what internet sleuths did and found a load of interesting circumstantial

00:34:37.040 stuff on the internet which seems to point to the fact that they are related for instance they found

00:34:42.300 some old social media accounts linked to him under his name where he was posting photos with her

00:34:50.260 and her family where he was referring to her children as his niece and nephews

00:34:55.420 which so suggest that that means he's a brother i mean yes i suppose you could

00:35:05.760 have a really charitable interpretation of that and suggest maybe this is what extended families

00:35:12.020 call them in somalia like she could be like a third cousin or something right he might consider

00:35:16.920 i mean i'm i've no idea and i'm just trying to think of what is the most charitable out on that

00:35:21.980 Yeah. He also has photos of her and his sister's children and her, their father, on his social media.

00:35:28.440 A look at her social media accounts proves that at no point were her and her original husband ever living apart,

00:35:35.740 nor was she ever in any other relationship.

00:35:37.280 So even if, even if this turns out not to be her brother,

00:35:41.840 it does appear that she did just get married to some random other Somalian so that he could get a green card.

00:35:47.540 I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that if that is the case, it's still just a scam.

00:35:51.980 yeah either way this is i know shocking this is going to be very shocking for our audience members 0.62

00:35:57.420 uh this this is a potential somalian scam yeah we are that we are investigating the first of

00:36:04.400 its kind even even if it turns out to be her brother i'm not suggesting there's any sort of

00:36:09.000 consanguinity there i think she was just like well this is how the system works so if i marry you on

00:36:14.100 paper yes then you get a green card and you get to move to america and the scam continues and if

00:36:19.040 anyone accuses of doing this we can just call them racist also apparently he decided to move

00:36:25.200 back to london because he's a british citizen because he's a british citizen and was living

00:36:30.880 in london at the time right well that's the other thing as well isn't it when there's some in

00:36:35.480 swindon come on yeah exactly with all of this if ilhan omar does have a citizenship um taken away

00:36:42.600 from her and she is forced to leave the united states which she will she would she's not going

00:36:47.260 to go back to somalia is she well she'll come to britain or france or some white nation to to 0.96

00:36:53.540 continue to be a subversive there and tear them down well i don't know i'm sure she said that she

00:36:58.100 one day longs to return to well we've got some of that stuff she has made a statement regarding the

00:37:02.460 investigations i'm okay well i mean nobody's nobody's alleging that they didn't ask make no

00:37:10.240 mistake this is an attempt to target political enemies and weaponize federal law enforcement

00:37:14.000 i mean yeah that's new actually normally it goes the other way i was gonna say i mean that's

00:37:17.860 undeniable yeah obviously but the democrats have been doing that as well this is just tit for tap

00:37:22.360 10 years trump has targeted me with baseless lies and smear campaigns this is just the latest

00:37:26.920 escalation in his campaign of political intimidation i will not be silenced we know

00:37:31.480 tragically yeah tragically we know but you'd think again when we talk about these sorts of people

00:37:38.020 and how their interests are outside of the interests of the u.s or any other western or

00:37:45.540 european nation that they happen to live in there is always evidence there is always the tweet there

00:37:52.020 is always the video of them saying it um and here she is uh from a while ago saying i'm a somali girl

00:38:00.380 i miss my country i dream of living in somalia again we must fix our roads i am an american

00:38:10.460 migrant yes i am a somali girl a girl with your lineage oh that matters a girl with your language

00:38:21.920 yeah a girl with your religion that was very ethnic oh yeah that was a young child taken from

00:38:26.300 her country and that misses her country and wishes to live there well maybe trump can make

00:38:31.300 the dreams come true thank you president trump and share with his people yeah exactly

00:38:35.700 what could possibly be the problem of deporting her and i think they are probably still in the

00:38:45.780 middle of another civil war at the moment they always they always will be yes sure but you know

00:38:51.220 she's just going to get what she asked for to which point as well uh here's another clip from

00:38:57.620 just a couple of years ago referencing uh the president of somalia as our president in our

00:39:05.120 and she's still speaking somali in that so i'm going to call she is yeah i mean it's not like

00:39:09.760 she's speaking to americans is it exactly uh speaks uh refers to as our president president

00:39:16.820 Hassan Sheikh Mohammed

00:39:18.080 let us give him a warm welcome

00:39:20.820 Minneapolis. My god it's literally

00:39:22.800 like it's literally in Minneapolis 1.00

00:39:24.580 a Somali colony

00:39:26.120 and the actual president of Somalia is visiting the

00:39:28.740 colonies. Yep I call him uncle and he

00:39:30.780 calls me his girl. Like Mojijos 1.00

00:39:33.020 when he goes to see the Indians. 1.00

00:39:34.600 See this is what I meant about

00:39:35.940 this is what I meant about like

00:39:38.820 you know them saying niece and nephew and stuff

00:39:40.920 it's like they have different

00:39:42.620 conceptions of family relations so I don't know

00:39:44.920 maybe I'm being generous but like who knows

00:39:46.760 welcome to your home our home is your home welcome to minneapolis

00:39:51.460 we've got plenty of spare change for you we are very happy that hassan is our president

00:39:57.360 you're not americans you're not and they don't conceive themselves as americans somalia here

00:40:04.520 you go somalia is our home it is home to all the people gathered here we do not feel that it is far

00:40:10.860 from us we carry it with us in fact we couldn't ask for better somalia is our hearts it is in

00:40:17.760 our hearts okay just we always think about just if if you were like okay i'm i'm i'm a right-wing

00:40:24.240 podcast and i need to really show people that they genuinely don't think of themselves as americans

00:40:29.500 well i better do some research and up pops a video where she says we're somalians in america we don't

00:40:36.660 think of ourselves american we think of ourselves as somalians our president is a somalian president

00:40:40.200 we always think about somalia and one day we dream of going back there

00:40:43.580 i mean what more cast iron proof would you need well also as well i mean this this being seen by

00:40:49.940 over four million people it's like they can see all that she knows that this would obviously be

00:40:54.780 seen by all sorts of people who would want to go on but the fact of the matter is that she

00:40:58.360 understands that the power or the will was simply not there yeah to actually enforce it and now that

00:41:04.820 that might be on the horizon you have to revert back to the well i'm i'm an american how can you

00:41:10.640 do this to me no somalia is our home you said it explicitly explicitly you said somalia is our home

00:41:16.260 i guess you thought because it wasn't said in english this wouldn't ever get out right

00:41:19.740 the americans would never be able to translate it there's just one white guy at the back of

00:41:24.340 the hall like hang on a second yeah making some notes yeah it's it's almost too convenient when

00:41:30.780 We walk into a big meeting hall in Minnesota, of all places,

00:41:35.020 and you look around, and everywhere they've got, like,

00:41:37.880 portraits of the Somalian president hung up.

00:41:41.060 The entire crowd is filled with Somalians.

00:41:43.540 They're speaking Somali to one another, and you're like,

00:41:46.200 hmm.

00:41:47.880 It's strange for Americans.

00:41:49.540 Something's going on here. I don't know.

00:41:52.020 It's very much the sort of Jon Tron.

00:41:53.480 They just started saying it in front of cameras.

00:41:55.700 You know, it's like, okay, well, there we go.

00:41:58.340 Cast iron, crystal clear.

00:41:59.960 she's been very very straightforward about this and i don't know what i'll say they're not americans

00:42:05.660 it's a somali colony well that that is the other point as well isn't it what you were saying at

00:42:10.940 the beginning harry it this is not really a question of whether or not the paperwork is in

00:42:16.220 order she should have obviously never been allowed into the country in the first place

00:42:19.680 these people are mercenaries right but exactly as we see with the recent uh by-election we had here

00:42:24.460 with Hoban and St Pancras. It's like, no, no, no. They vote for these people to come in.

00:42:29.780 This is what they think of your democracy. This is what they think is worthy of someone

00:42:35.440 representing in the United States Senate. And therefore, it implies as well, it's not

00:42:41.620 just about sending her back, but it's all of the people who voted for her because of

00:42:46.720 these reasons of ethno-religious solidarity, which is entirely in contrast with whatever

00:42:53.760 sovereignty of the american people that they are fighting to obviously maintain in their land and

00:43:00.660 so the entire thing just needs tearing away all of these colonies have got to go it's home to all of

00:43:06.260 the people gathered here yeah all everyone in that room then can just be deported back to somalia

00:43:11.060 one white guy is standing at the end of the end of the hall going well not me though i bet there

00:43:16.000 wasn't one white guy in there of course no no no i bet not i love how she's just implicated the 0.92

00:43:21.220 balls he just says yeah no we're all somali i didn't hear any disagreement when i watched the

00:43:25.440 video yeah right although not that i could understand what they were saying if the uh if

00:43:28.760 the hypothetical white guy in the room did adopt somali values like scamming and civil war and all

00:43:35.880 these sorts of things maybe he would be just as somalian as she is as she is just as american

00:43:40.900 maybe well no actually no because she said that we all share the same lineage and he wouldn't yeah

00:43:45.000 good point like this is this is a very clear like ethno-religious aspect to their idea of their

00:43:52.480 somalian heritage as there should be right all that means is that if you go to america in huge

00:43:59.000 numbers then you're just and still see yourselves as somalians you're just there as mercenaries to 0.84

00:44:04.180 take advantage of the system you openly admit that you hate you hate the country you hate the

00:44:08.800 original peoples of this of this country and you want to take advantage of the system you hate the

00:44:13.120 values of the country you hate the constitution etc etc etc unfortunately for um gone was for them 0.98

00:44:19.300 gone was imbeciles like tim waltz will just allow and encourage them to do it as well so you also 0.97

00:44:24.400 get the protection of the minneapolis state yeah i mean what was i saw i saw something um it was 0.99

00:44:31.040 some video that had been going around off of like instagram reels or tiktoks that people were

00:44:35.120 showing around of some vaguely ethnic looking girl who was like uh smiling to herself and the caption

00:44:40.940 said me when i'm thinking of voting left wing but when i'm voting right wing back home it's like

00:44:46.640 every time every every single time so donald trump if you do want to get a boost for the

00:44:51.660 midterms just like skip all skip all of the like paperwork skip all of the bureaucracy and just

00:44:56.500 send a packing and finally your constituents will have what they voted for i'll tell you

00:45:01.840 donald's well she's not the only congresswoman yeah there's plenty more that you can do that

00:45:06.360 to actually anyway um we've got a few rumble rents uh did any of otchig door did any of the

00:45:13.280 lotus eaters here at the local fund for helping those affected by the fraud in minneapolis being

00:45:17.740 shut down for fraud no by the same people are you kidding me i bet it i bet it's true

00:45:24.160 base tape remember my idea for world jail send her back to world jail what was the idea for 0.55

00:45:30.740 world jail was that just like have somalia be a gigantic open air prison that we send

00:45:34.840 all criminals to because i actually quite like the idea of that the modern australia yes yes

00:45:42.020 with significantly less irish uh that's a random name oh yeah sorry minnesota anti-ice fund

00:45:49.040 uh gets shut down due to overwhelming fraud amazing amazing the hennypin county board

00:45:55.040 approved the business county reviewers found applications containing false or unverifiable

00:45:59.320 information right right oh that's just a culture of fraud yeah well i mean dude that's most of the 0.89

00:46:09.080 third world yeah they're true but the somalians it's it's really explicit but in shameless in 0.96

00:46:14.860 somalia it's still a very very clan-based culture yeah and what is the first thing that firas will

00:46:20.060 tell you about clan-based cultures is if you're not in the clan you're fair game yeah yeah there

00:46:24.980 you go that's a random name carl there are no fourth third or even second cousins in somalia

00:46:29.540 it stops at first cousins for reasons oh does it okay i mean maybe i mean i don't know that's a

00:46:35.620 joke um have some vacation always remember these people are ethno-nationalists for somewhere else

00:46:40.320 a nativist for their homeland but you get multiculturalism and i'm not even criticizing

00:46:44.700 them for that i just i'm asking why are they here great question and so are they yeah

00:46:50.640 Yeah, they are too, yeah.

00:46:53.820 Take us home, Luca.

00:46:55.960 All right, a lighter segment for you, ladies and gentlemen.

00:46:58.760 I want to talk to you all about the wonderful animated show

00:47:01.940 Avatar The Last Airbender,

00:47:04.180 because they have a new series out right now,

00:47:07.220 and it's been in the news, I'm afraid so.

00:47:09.700 And as we know from Legend of Korra and now this one,

00:47:13.040 it is a question of diminishing returns.

00:47:15.780 But that doesn't get away from the fact that,

00:47:17.660 as you can see here with the actual uh rating score of 9.3 on imdb with nearly half a million

00:47:24.900 votes um it is pretty well beloved it's a classic it's a classic it's there are very few things i

00:47:31.500 could actually find to criticize about it and that's as someone who didn't actually watch it

00:47:36.000 on nickelodeon when it was coming out in the mid 2000s i watched it uh when i was at uni of all

00:47:41.580 things as well and i was like my gosh the the quality of the storytelling and the detail and

00:47:46.520 the trajectory of these character arcs is just some of the best that i've seen and you can find

00:47:51.900 endless video essays on youtube talking into about all this in fact i saw some of your old videos

00:47:57.720 from back in the day oh yeah i love zuko and azula and yeah yeah and but what's also really

00:48:02.720 important is the consistency of the world building like the the magic system is actually really well

00:48:08.760 thought out and has this brilliant sort of performative uh aspect to it so it makes the

00:48:14.160 whole thing just much bigger than it should have been it had no right to be as good as it was right 0.95

00:48:19.240 at all this is like there's some stupid kids show about wizards or something it's like no this is 0.91

00:48:23.740 actually incredible and as you say the the storytelling is second to none like we go on 0.98

00:48:29.800 zuko's journey with him you just oh my god you know and by the end of it where he's fighting

00:48:33.840 azula love it it's amazing and it's wonderful because it manages to straddle that that line

00:48:38.640 of being a world that's innocent enough for younger audiences to get drawn into but also

00:48:43.540 actually and this is something that doesn't get done these days but to trust the audience to be

00:48:48.800 able to process quite mature themes in the story i mean this is a story that they're genocides

00:48:53.480 genocide and yeah all sorts of hang discovers his genocided civilization oh yeah they're corpses

00:49:00.260 yeah yeah and a hundred years of war yeah so as i say they followed this up shot um a few years

00:49:06.320 after with the legend of korra which was more controversial there are things that i like about

00:49:10.900 it but it's definitely an inferior uh product amon was quite a good villain but the rest of

00:49:15.900 it was crap i have not watched any of the legend of cora i only know it through um is it is er

00:49:21.240 i only know it through er's reviews of it and which means that i have i'm the avatar and you 0.94

00:49:28.580 gotta deal with it buried in my brain that's literally early on in the series yeah but

00:49:33.660 amon the villain is the only good part about the legend of cora because he's a psychological

00:49:38.420 villain that doesn't he like strip them of their ability yeah equalize the world yeah um as well

00:49:46.760 with kind of like soviet inspired art really good anyway again quite a reactionary theme yes you

00:49:51.220 know absolutely um the villain wants equality and so it was only a matter of time after the

00:49:56.940 popularity of avatar that eventually netflix would take up on it and they began working on

00:50:01.000 a live action series which is two seasons in now you're skipping the film as well i was going to

00:50:05.920 say wait a second i think there is a shyamalan shape i know i know i know you're painting for

00:50:13.220 it was so bad but but actually it was not so bad it's good wasn't i actually wasn't it amazing how

00:50:20.160 shyamalan for some reason race swapped all of the characters in a from a show that has no white

00:50:26.340 people in it it's all it's all uh but he like switched them over made the fire nation indians

00:50:32.140 yeah rather than japanese for some reason it was bizarre yeah um but really um sorry just a quick 0.91

00:50:39.100 thing yeah the the race weapon is really weird because um the water tribe were inuits and they

00:50:43.900 become white yeah um no no the main characters in it become white oh yeah yeah yeah shayamalan's

00:50:52.060 like no one would want to watch these weirdos get me some white kids maybe based shayamalan

00:50:58.780 but why the indians anyway right but i i actually um so but really there was a tipping point when

00:51:06.520 it came to 2020 because everyone got locked in their homes avatar the last airbender just arrived

00:51:12.900 on netflix yeah and it very very quickly crept into the top 10 and was in there for 60 days it

00:51:19.420 was in there for a long long time and so not only people who had watched the original nickelodeon

00:51:24.380 show but also an entire new intake of fans who were discovering this for the first time

00:51:29.280 also came into it as well and these are not necessarily fans i should just say as well 0.98

00:51:35.140 who grew up with early 2000s liberal values um of the zoomers um there is always a threat though

00:51:44.660 i i'm like you luca when it was actually broadcasting and i was a kid i didn't watch

00:51:49.920 it i started watching it when i was like 17 back in 2013 uh and and fell in love with it immediately

00:51:56.160 the big worry whenever a show reaches a next level of popularity years and years and years

00:52:03.040 after the fact is that you're gonna get brigaded by new fans some on the internet would call these

00:52:09.080 people tourists these days you see this with recent series like um the silent hill series

00:52:14.680 having reached a renaissance recently all of a sudden you've got new new fans telling you that

00:52:21.160 ah the series was always woke actually because there was some imagery in the third game that

00:52:27.540 made it look like the character was having an abortion or something all of these things that

00:52:32.000 you loved about it are actually flipped on its head why did conservatives and right-wingers

00:52:36.760 ever like this this was always left-wing to begin with so that's the worry when

00:52:40.800 it's a new modern audience finds it so right before we go on though i was introduced to this

00:52:46.860 not via nickelodeon or anything like that but me when me and my friend um were in probably like

00:52:52.340 2011 2012 we were making a video game um we'd be i'd be at his house programming away and he'd be

00:52:58.640 doing animations right and he whacked this just on you know a tv or whatever um next to it and i was

00:53:05.620 i i remember very clearly just make this what what is this crap why have you put this on he's

00:53:09.920 no no trust me it's good it's good i was like okay whatever you know i'd be getting on with it and i 0.84

00:53:13.720 could hear it in the background and i started to become invested in it i was just like this isn't

00:53:18.760 why is this good i found literally the coolest thing ever i found myself actually enjoying it

00:53:25.300 and i was like no way and so and then you know i had the whole thing the action scenes are awesome

00:53:29.420 the action scenes are incredible yeah and like the villains are so well thought out man i love

00:53:34.400 azula but anyway let's let's carry on right absolutely and so it was only a matter of time

00:53:38.940 after this resurgence of popularity or rather this renaissance i should call it where the actual

00:53:44.900 original creators of the series decided they were going to come back and do more not only were going

00:53:50.400 a new film with the legend of ang we were also going to get a new sequel series to cora as well

00:53:58.100 focusing on the next avatar after her cleaning up a lot of the mess she made uh but also you got to

00:54:04.440 deal with it but also as well you could see here it's like well like in fact the last avatar sorry

00:54:10.240 the last airbender confirms original voice actors were recast in order to match actors ethnic racial

00:54:17.480 background to the characters and when i heard this i just refused to watch a new film right i am not

00:54:23.860 i'm not giving it the grace because frankly it's incredibly insulting not only if it's a live

00:54:30.280 action series i i actually truthfully and i think netflix got this right that i actually don't want

00:54:36.940 to see a white actor in it because there are no white people in the world of avatar and i'm not

00:54:41.860 fragile enough to feel like i can't get invested in a story unless i see someone who looks like

00:54:48.700 me in it but especially when it's inconsistent with the world itself so for anyone doesn't know

00:54:54.500 the world of Avatar The Last Airbender

00:54:56.520 is very clearly lifted from East Asian

00:54:59.200 sort of aesthetics, sentimentality, and mythology, right? 0.98

00:55:03.840 So this is why they look like Buddhist monks

00:55:06.120 or Chinese women or whatever, right? 0.99

00:55:08.680 It's totally fine. 0.89

00:55:09.980 No one thought about it.

00:55:11.040 No one cared.

00:55:11.540 It doesn't matter at all.

00:55:13.000 You know, obviously, 1.00

00:55:13.740 I don't want some of them to look French or something. 1.00

00:55:16.060 You know, it's fine. 1.00

00:55:18.340 No one thought about it at all.

00:55:19.620 And then suddenly, modern, modernity.

00:55:23.220 but also you're talking about a cartoon yeah which means you you cast the voice actors on

00:55:28.480 how cool the voices are that they do right and how well they perform with the voices but also

00:55:32.900 as well hold on guys the only reason you're making this film now is because in part of the incredible

00:55:39.700 voice acting of the original series that made these characters so beloved in the first place

00:55:45.420 and now that you have the opportunity to do more with them because we're like 10 years on now oh

00:55:50.800 it's insensitive they didn't even cast dante basco as zuko again really which is absurd um he's got

00:55:58.220 like the most iconic voice in the whole show as far as i'm concerned you can't have zuko without

00:56:02.600 him and mark hamill as ozai yeah it's fantastic yeah yeah that's forgotten that is mark hamill

00:56:07.900 as fire lord ozai yeah he does an amazing job with it yeah but also as well look at this in

00:56:13.360 just the way this is an animated show and the the cultural reverence and respect there because it's

00:56:19.360 based on eastern ethnicities and oriental philosophies but you wouldn't say oh well

00:56:26.000 it's a fantasy world why does it matter why can't everyone just be multicultural and uh from

00:56:31.520 everywhere like just random indians and like chinese and and whites and somalians just all 0.82

00:56:38.440 thrown into the fire i'm sorry i'm just always reminding me of the 4chan green takes oh so you 0.98

00:56:43.460 can believe dragons but you can't believe this honda civic in the battle for pelennor fields

00:56:49.240 when it obviously makes sense because it's divided into four nations that all work around this one

00:56:56.900 element that they're able to master that that obviously keeps them within their borders and

00:57:01.800 it keeps a level of ethnic homogeneity to it now this is not true in all times in all places i

00:57:07.440 don't want to get bogged down like crossing every every t and dotting every i with this

00:57:11.900 but the point is as well in the same way that when you get something like the rings of power

00:57:16.280 that has to be inclusive and available to everyone but when it comes to this it becomes

00:57:21.580 i think if i remember this whole movement for voice actors have to be the same ethnicity as

00:57:27.740 the characters they portray yeah um got kick-started in earnest like eight or nine years ago by some

00:57:35.200 like fat asian voice actor who was annoyed that like loads of white people were getting

00:57:40.900 roles for asian characters in in apu in the simpsons well also you had hanker's hanker's

00:57:46.820 area um playing apu was one um i think the guy from family guy in the cleveland show who played

00:57:54.300 cleveland was a white guy and i think they got in trouble for that but in video games and other

00:57:59.040 and other mediums it was really kick-started by this guy making a big stink about the fact that

00:58:04.440 oh why aren't i getting more roles as asian guys in cartoons it's like sorry maybe you just like

00:58:09.860 aren't doing as good a voice as the other actors uh but because of that you had this huge new rise

00:58:15.500 in sensitivity in casting for cartoons um and so now we find this new series just has far more

00:58:23.200 indian looking characters does it than there were in the original last airbender and even legend of

00:58:29.180 korra as well where i can't really remember any prominent like ethnic indian looking characters

00:58:34.600 at all there was like the indian monk in the original there was yeah guru fatigue yeah well

00:58:38.900 he was the one guy it does suggest that outside of the world that we see in the show that there

00:58:43.500 is a nation elsewhere featuring lots of indian people if there's a wider world yeah he must

00:58:48.840 come from yeah but it kind of actually made the world seem bigger right but was but was this the

00:58:54.720 reason it was done doing that or was this really just because i want more of me well well yeah i

00:59:01.400 I mean, she's the producer, right?

00:59:02.760 And what's her face do to Velma in that show?

00:59:05.300 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.89

00:59:06.980 Mindy Kaling. 0.99

00:59:08.040 That's her name. 1.00

00:59:08.560 Self-inserting, yeah.

00:59:10.340 And so then you've got a bunch of people saying,

00:59:12.920 it's like, well, as you see here,

00:59:14.020 why did everyone in the world of Avatar

00:59:15.640 suddenly become Indian?

00:59:16.920 For the record, I've not watched the series. 1.00

00:59:19.040 I'm not going to watch the series,

00:59:20.420 so I'm not going to quantify

00:59:21.420 how many Indian-style characters are on screen.

00:59:24.840 What I am going to say is, well, hang on.

00:59:27.200 Who are you accusing of being racist here?

00:59:29.560 Is it the white people?

00:59:31.400 who are pointing out a little inconsistency in the world.

00:59:34.820 You aren't producing it.

00:59:37.240 Or is it the, like, the Hang-Shine?

00:59:40.340 I mean, ER just came out with an absolute banger,

00:59:44.500 which I had to include in this.

00:59:48.780 Well, I mean, I never said I wasn't rooting for the fire action. 1.00

00:59:54.920 Maybe those airbenders deserved it. 1.00

00:59:57.200 but um but the bloody vegetarian diets but um but i just sorry i'm just imagining all sorts of like 0.97

01:00:05.280 fire nation conspiracies now yeah they just go did you know that the head of the biggest

01:00:10.680 newspaper in the fire nation capital is owned by airbenders what kind of propaganda are they 0.75

01:00:18.140 feeding us um but but this kind of um this bringing in of more and more ethnics ethnic

01:00:26.080 indians into the story and against kind of diminishing the presence of the other traditional

01:00:31.660 ones with the water tribe and the inuits with the japanese and the fire nation with the chinese and

01:00:36.900 the earth nation and um right the tibetans and the air nomads it's like okay well these are

01:00:43.120 particular things yeah right and they have a particular character yeah and now all of a sudden

01:00:47.860 and and you so you get people here like core universe being like well yeah what i was talking

01:00:52.420 This is exactly what I was saying.

01:00:53.880 The Avatar fandom surprises me.

01:00:55.860 How does one of the wokest cartoons ever

01:00:58.700 have one of the most unwoke fandoms?

01:01:01.900 Kids were literally fighting fascism. 1.00

01:01:04.340 Katara literally fought against misogyny 1.00

01:01:06.740 just for y'all to be misogynistic towards her.

01:01:10.140 But the Fire Nation weren't fascist.

01:01:12.200 They were Japanese imperialists.

01:01:13.640 Not all empires are fascist.

01:01:15.440 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:01:16.780 Two of them.

01:01:17.560 This is right in all of history.

01:01:19.260 These are the people who hop on the bandwagon

01:01:21.260 and all of a sudden all of your interests

01:01:23.100 and everything that you ever like

01:01:24.320 has to be twisted and malformed

01:01:26.300 to fit their notion of the world.

01:01:27.660 But just to be completely clear,

01:01:28.920 the world of Avatar The Last Airbender

01:01:30.720 is deeply reactionary.

01:01:32.440 It's against progress.

01:01:34.040 It's against a universal empire. 1.00

01:01:37.300 The Fire Nation colonies 0.95

01:01:38.700 and the Earth Nation homelands 1.00

01:01:40.220 is intrusive. 1.00

01:01:41.940 It's like Somali colonies in Minnesota, right? 1.00

01:01:43.860 It's an invasion. 1.00

01:01:44.580 It's an invasion.

01:01:45.440 It's literally an invasion.

01:01:47.340 The whole thing is... 1.00

01:01:49.040 And one of the crimes of the Fire Nation 1.00

01:01:50.560 is developing advanced technology right they where they turn up with their fire ships and 0.70

01:01:54.560 it's it's all portrayed as the evil industrialists it's like promethean exactly yes exactly and the

01:02:01.360 evil industrialists have um warped the natural order and wiped out the air nomads and they're

01:02:08.480 going to get the rest of us and it's just like the the rest of it is about living in harmony

01:02:12.400 with what our natural selves is and the fire nations are the one the fire nation is the one

01:02:17.580 who's gone outside of that so it's actually it's it's a it's a it's a cry against modernity

01:02:22.420 yes fundamentally underpins the world in many ways i i absolutely agree with you and you can

01:02:27.900 see here i just pulled up the actual cultural diversity that you had in the original series

01:02:32.660 obviously you've got um a tie from the earth kingdom you've got a fire nation and you've got

01:02:38.040 the air nomads um and of course the water tribe as well but i really again the fact that there

01:02:44.620 was an indian guy in the original series implies that there is an indian nation outside of the

01:02:49.780 realm of what we see in the world which suggests in the new time has there been a mass migration

01:02:54.860 event in the world there is a post-apocalyptic and like wasteland that the new series is set in

01:03:05.420 and it just so happens uh because cora did something don't know what um but you get this

01:03:12.040 Oh, the Avatar becomes a woman and immediately ends the world. 0.79

01:03:15.260 Well, there have been many of them, and many of them are true, yes, I remember. 0.99

01:03:19.480 You can see here from Matthew, it's like, you can't be MAGA. 0.96

01:03:22.880 I'm just going to get rid of the American coding for this,

01:03:26.440 because what he really just means is right-wing. 0.95

01:03:28.480 And like Avatar The Last Edmander,

01:03:30.860 the themes the franchise explores are not compatible with your beliefs.

01:03:36.360 I happen to disagree with you there, Matthew,

01:03:38.960 and i'd like to go through a few points on on why yeah uh the first point um as he points out here

01:03:46.420 as well this is from the new series and you can tell there are now airbenders none of them have

01:03:51.080 their head shaved none of them are wearing traditional um air nomad they at least have

01:03:56.060 the tattoos a dress uh doesn't look like it either and you so uh because because the tattoos were

01:04:02.680 really important and the one on the head was important as well and having it be bald was

01:04:06.940 because of the fact that, you know, it was outlining

01:04:09.280 where the chakra within the airbender is flowing

01:04:12.980 so they can channel their power.

01:04:14.620 Oh, God, I'm such a nerd.

01:04:16.220 No, no, no, but it's fine, because remember that...

01:04:18.680 You're welcome.

01:04:20.440 The axis around which Avatar The Last Airbender revolves

01:04:24.480 is bloodline, right?

01:04:26.540 Power is inherited through your bloodline.

01:04:28.920 You cannot become an airbender or a firebender or whatever.

01:04:32.580 You inherit through your ancestry the power that you have.

01:04:36.560 so Zuko is always a firebender because his father was a firebender um you know Katara is a waterbender

01:04:43.040 because her mother was but her brother didn't inherit it right so her brother cannot be a

01:04:48.520 waterbender either so it's it's not you know it's literally like getting blue eyes or something you

01:04:52.560 know well the point of the avatar is that they are the only person alive who can learn all of these

01:04:57.600 I was going to say the avatar is literally like decided by fate or something like that that they

01:05:03.040 can get to learn and use all of them so they are actually like the most special person in all of

01:05:08.580 the world it is the least egalitarian possible bedrock of the the series and the philosophy of

01:05:14.820 the world it's not that anyone and and this was one of the problems that they had in cora like 0.98

01:05:19.260 it's like oh actually this creates a class of benders versus non-benders who are racially gifted 0.90

01:05:24.420 in a way that the non-benders aren't and like this struggle in cora is based around the desire 0.69

01:05:31.180 for egalitarianism like so it's just like you can't say oh this i can't believe you like avatar 0.96

01:05:36.200 the last ebbender if you're not woke it's like i can't believe you do like it like in the same way

01:05:41.440 that i i don't see how you can read the lord of the rings yeah and not come away with a deeply

01:05:46.040 traditionalist worldview yes i mean like this is genuinely kind of like intrinsic hierarchy exists

01:05:53.380 in avatar in the world they do this with everything they were doing this with metallica

01:05:56.880 literally today and yesterday i've been doing it with metallica i can't believe because james

01:06:01.680 hetfield went on stage and was like hey if you're here to watch us we're not giving going to give

01:06:05.500 you a political lecture we're just going to all have a good time together i'm not woke says james

01:06:09.380 yeah and they were like oh my god how could the band that wrote and justice for all do this it's

01:06:13.880 like literally the album they released after it has the gadsen flag on the cover and a song called

01:06:18.860 don't tread on me this is not this is not a game you're gonna win yeah metallica aren't woke yeah

01:06:23.700 you did you think they were honestly they're not reducing machine um at the risk of like overloading

01:06:28.760 the law is something that is important is in just to explain this somewhat in quora there is an

01:06:35.340 event called harmonic convergence which kind of resets the timeline and allows for just loads of

01:06:40.840 people all over the world to gain the power of airbending right but what's interesting in how

01:06:47.500 this seems to be set up is that they might have the power of it but because they don't actually

01:06:52.140 have their ethnic roots and traditions in that culture they no longer behave as traditional air

01:06:58.860 nomads and you can see this very very strongly in the character of ang because ang is possibly one

01:07:05.480 of the most prominent traditionalist characters i can think of ang's entire world he awakens as a

01:07:13.100 boy in the iceberg after a hundred years finds the entire world at war with the fire nation

01:07:19.320 basically three generations into this war on the world where they see no value in any other 0.98

01:07:26.520 cultures whatsoever and they're imperialistically trying to globalize the world in their own image 0.86

01:07:32.080 and Aang comes out of all of this as the last airbender because his people have been genocided

01:07:39.100 and this puts on Aang this really like this deep level of responsibility and duty to uphold the

01:07:48.540 traditional way of life of his people down to his tattoos down to his shaved head down to his

01:07:54.980 vegetarian diet due to it and also his pacifism and his the buddhist philosophy that undergoes

01:08:02.120 his people and their traditions but as all of this is going on of course the other part is the fact

01:08:07.720 that ang is the avatar he is supposed to be someone who is not just responsible for his own

01:08:14.560 nation he's responsible he has a unique responsibility of having to care for the

01:08:19.580 entire world and this puts ang throughout the entire series in this position of his own personal

01:08:26.940 fulfillment against his responsibility to the wider good and harmony of the world because ang

01:08:33.940 doesn't want this that's another fundamentally illiberal why he's in the iceberg it's been

01:08:39.440 forced upon him and he has to struggle and come to terms with the fact that sometimes you have

01:08:44.400 a life path chosen for you that you didn't

01:08:46.440 choose for yourself. Yes.

01:08:48.300 Based on what you intrinsically are. 0.88

01:08:50.360 So, you know, you have to go into the men's bathroom.

01:08:53.880 Right.

01:08:54.460 But also, as well, there are two things

01:08:56.600 running in tandem here. It's true, though.

01:08:58.900 That's the argument that's being made

01:09:00.400 in Avatar. I'm sorry, Rishi, you're

01:09:02.260 England. Sorry, you're Indian. Yeah. 1.00

01:09:04.500 I'm sorry, Mr. Man in a Dress, you have 1.00

01:09:06.400 to use the men's bathroom. Says 1.00

01:09:08.260 Aang the Avatar. But both

01:09:10.460 make me really want to re-watch the show now.

01:09:12.200 Yeah, I know. It's incredible.

01:09:14.400 But both of these lineages, because Aang's existence as the Avatar,

01:09:20.560 is a cycle of reincarnation. 0.53

01:09:23.760 So even though his people are also the ethnic and cultural air nomads,

01:09:29.140 it's also this entire tradition of his past lives as well.

01:09:34.500 But you also get to see the circular conception of time involved in it,

01:09:38.860 because some of his past incarnations were incredible airbenders that he isn't. 1.00

01:09:43.960 He's actually not very good, actually, as a bender of any type. 1.00

01:09:48.980 Whereas some of his previous incarnations were incredible. 1.00

01:09:51.600 And so you get, you know, it's not just the weak history of everything goes up forever.

01:09:55.700 No, there's rising and falling and it goes around in a cycle.

01:09:58.800 Based on the circumstances that you're born into,

01:10:01.240 and Aang as someone who was told that he was the Avatar

01:10:04.660 before they would have otherwise told him, I think the age of 16,

01:10:09.300 is what this pressure that's put on him is what forces him to flee.

01:10:13.060 and then when he awakens from the ice to find this world out of balance and also as well he

01:10:17.660 finds out about sozin's comet is going to come around and similar fates cut away at the other

01:10:22.380 people as what happened to his he obviously has to accept the quest and train to master the four

01:10:29.440 elements so that he is ready to fight the fire lord and stop this from happening and so it's

01:10:34.660 this incredible quest about taking on personal responsibility and also but also as well for

01:10:41.360 something you didn't choose right for something you didn't choose and but also it's a question

01:10:45.940 of what do we owe to the past and ang is uniquely placed as a man as a sorry a boy come from an

01:10:53.320 iceberg to look around at the world to reinforce your point kyle and see what the world looked

01:10:59.180 like a hundred years before and say it was better back then wasn't it and one of the other things

01:11:06.460 as is as well is that you see in ang's suffering and the war that's been going on how different

01:11:13.240 and it's one again as i say it's just so wonderful the way they're able to communicate this to

01:11:17.540 younger audiences but how different characters process grief and that is not i'm sorry this

01:11:23.980 whole you can't be a maga fan i'm like i'm sorry this is not a political question these are just

01:11:29.560 deeply human issues that everyone has to come to understand do you let that grief

01:11:35.640 turn you into a bitter person who was willing to harm innocent lives like Jett is or do you become

01:11:42.300 someone like Sokka and someone who grew up his father went away to the war he was the only man

01:11:49.700 in his village he had no masculine role models around him but he took that masculine duty to

01:11:55.700 defend his people very very seriously he's just not very good at it to begin with because he has 0.98

01:12:01.160 no role models to to guide him and you see this insecurity in the way that he deals with katara

01:12:06.600 and suki and the people around him to begin with but then as he becomes more experienced about the

01:12:12.260 world he takes on a much more um he becomes incredibly resourceful and a genuine strategic

01:12:18.540 um leader he takes on some fantastic qualities i'm just gonna just gonna say something if if

01:12:25.160 you've never watched it before and this uh segment is making you think wow i should give this a watch

01:12:29.820 please do just be aware the first few episodes of the first series are a little bit more kid

01:12:38.480 focused than the show later goes on to be the show uh develops in maturity as it goes on the

01:12:45.520 first few episodes you might watch it and go oh this is a kid's show why are they going on about

01:12:49.700 it so much though it's worth going through also another reason it's from before the advent of

01:12:57.080 hideous intentionally ugly character designs yeah so there is nobody who is unless it's done for

01:13:03.900 effect hideously ugly for the sake of it um but even with ang there is not just this thing of

01:13:11.060 well i'm the avatar i need to destroy the fire lord and just dismantle the fire nation and make

01:13:16.820 sure that you're not going to spoil it are you well i'm just saying the show explores that there

01:13:21.760 is a right way and a wrong way to even do that and the way that ang has to wrestle with with his

01:13:27.760 his love for katara and all these sorts of things that satisfy his own personal fulfillments against

01:13:33.680 what he owes to the world and so it's a very important issue one episode i just quickly

01:13:39.980 wanted to point out as well is this one with the northern air temple from season one because ang

01:13:45.120 goes to it after a hundred years and finds it obviously all of the nomads are being genocided

01:13:50.720 no one was living in it for nearly a century and then these refugees move into it and they've 1.00

01:13:56.740 naturally started found well there's no one here we're just going to start knocking through that 0.99

01:14:00.740 wall tearing down that statue and this breaks ang this is a horribly traumatic thing for him 0.99

01:14:07.480 to have to go through to just see these people move into it refugees or not who are just have 0.82

01:14:14.380 no cultural sensitivity for the things that came before it and so whilst they can left this i'm not

01:14:21.540 even saying that there are not legitimate left-wing readings of avatar that's not what i'm saying

01:14:27.060 what i'm saying is that they are not taking into account a deeply traditionalist core

01:14:32.860 at the heart of the whole tale that goes through zook that goes through the journey of someone

01:14:39.380 like Zuko as well because it's not just about in this occasion oh the son stopping his colonial

01:14:47.540 father it's about it's about you as a younger generation figuring out your own personal sense 0.60

01:14:53.700 of honor and also as well grappling as they do in the earth kingdom with the Dai Li about whether or

01:15:01.300 not is the state always right about what is best for the country there's no war embossing

01:15:09.060 say luca right is what is good for the nation inextricably the same as that which is good for

01:15:15.720 the state and zuko comes to understand no the war is wrong not only because of all the suffering

01:15:22.580 it's putting on the earth kingdom and the water tribe killing katara's mother and genociding ang's

01:15:27.540 people but it's also debasing the honor of the fire nation itself and this is not something that

01:15:34.080 is only applicable to colonialism this is true for any number of things that your government

01:15:40.840 are currently doing and i'm sure we could raise many examples of what ours are doing right now

01:15:45.600 imagine a leftist mentioning the word honor to you how could you you've got no conception of

01:15:51.720 honor as a leftist you can't possibly think in these terms how could you suggest this was

01:15:55.940 anything other than a right-wing property because you just shout it enough and but also as well

01:16:03.700 there is that that aspect of it in the same way that you got with films like uh the joker and

01:16:08.300 joker 2 there is an element of the fact that the writers are obviously sympathetic to the left-wing

01:16:13.800 worldview and so in order to separate themselves from the right-wing viewership with every

01:16:20.660 incarnation of the series they make it more explicitly explicitly left-wing until you don't

01:16:26.560 want to associate with it and until it's no longer worth watching are the old showrunners

01:16:31.620 in charge of the new program that's coming out as well yes okay yeah yeah that's that's clearly

01:16:37.640 seems to have been what was going on even though to be fair having not watched the legend of cora

01:16:42.880 some of the themes that you said it was exploring through some of the villains sound in sound very

01:16:46.980 interesting it's not very good though unfortunately like the the only the only good bit is the plot

01:16:52.840 around the i can't remember what they're called now the the equalists the equalists yeah who are 0.99

01:16:57.660 basically um because it's a city that is hierarchical based on the benders being in 0.90

01:17:02.560 charge and cora being the avatar so it's it's a very psychological plot and it's very political 1.00

01:17:07.920 but the the actual characters and the way the stories are told it's not brilliant well that's

01:17:12.600 a shame tenzin uh voiced by jk simmons i think is a really good character his burden of carrying on

01:17:19.200 the airbender legacy um is very good as well but i'll just go as well to i'll just conclude with

01:17:26.580 the diary because again this is a series that is critiquing an entrenched unaccountable bureaucracy

01:17:33.720 yes that throws its subjects in jail and re and re-education camps for wrong think against the

01:17:40.320 state and again oh god in britain are there any examples of such a thing happening right now

01:17:47.220 and so it doesn't really matter what ethnicities it is based on though i absolutely love it for

01:17:54.580 exploring a lot more of these eastern philosophies and exploring the aesthetics of eastern peoples i

01:18:01.080 think it's wonderful i also think as well that it is absurd to claim that you as the left wing have

01:18:08.100 a monopoly on appreciating this series or even a claim on it how would you appreciate this through

01:18:13.580 a left-wing lens everything is hierarchical everything is oppressive everything is intrinsic

01:18:17.660 nothing almost nothing is chosen so you what are you where are you coming from as a leftist all

01:18:23.580 you're saying is this is good and a lot of people like it therefore i need to claim it for my tribe

01:18:28.560 it's like it's not gonna work that way i always wonder what like um because it's so obviously

01:18:33.760 heavily based in eastern uh religion mythos culture and then also takes on the aesthetic

01:18:39.420 which hadn't really been done up until that point of japanese anime i wonder i wonder what um

01:18:45.440 countries like japan and their populations actually think of it as a program and how it

01:18:49.540 represents these different parts of their continental culture i'm genuinely just curious

01:18:54.980 if anybody knows let me know in the comment um anyway i won't say much more about it because i

01:18:59.840 really don't want to spoil everything that happens in it for you if you haven't seen it but i hope

01:19:05.800 that we've done a good job of explaining to you why it's exceptional and some things to kick it

01:19:10.700 off but yeah avatar the last airbender is an absolutely magnificent series and you should go

01:19:17.200 watch it let's get to the video comments um it's probably a little bit grown up for my daughter

01:19:24.080 still isn't it well i mean i i my my oldest son i watched it with him when he was about seven

01:19:29.700 um and he seemed to really enjoy it so okay uh justin says uh no doubt russia interfered in the

01:19:35.880 brexit referendum as no doubt did brussels i mean brussels was explicitly infertering germany france

01:19:41.660 us india etc and no doubt russia's interference was like their interference in trump's first

01:19:45.020 election a small amount on both sides to ensure that your division increases yeah but also just

01:19:49.980 the scope it's like they had some twitter farms like okay so you know like it is so funny though

01:19:57.180 to frame it as if oh russia's foreign interference in fact the entire argument about brexit was

01:20:04.420 against continental interference in our politics yes and us being in charge of our own country

01:20:09.660 having this sovereignty also i i i think honestly that if boris johnson ever learned that he was

01:20:15.620 accidentally in cahoots with the russians i think he would kill himself yeah yeah so maybe it was

01:20:20.920 that's a great point let's go on to the first video comment 0.85

01:20:25.240 i'm back lotus eaters for a while just seeing if i can budget in the gold tier membership

01:20:32.820 it's been a bit tough couple of months because i now have this one

01:20:38.760 He is so awesome

01:20:42.200 and so cute and so

01:20:44.200 smart. He's already talking.

01:20:46.640 Watch.

01:20:47.660 CSCooper.com.au

01:20:49.660 Okay, that's

01:20:52.320 my favourite meme.

01:20:54.520 Congrats, man.

01:20:55.560 Well done. That's great.

01:20:57.480 Such wonderful news.

01:21:00.180 Let's go to the next one.

01:21:01.540 Thank you. You're a fucking 1.00

01:21:03.200 pedophile. 1.00

01:21:05.100 Find me on my phone. 1.00

01:21:08.760 You've got pretty eyes, you're just fucking nuts. 1.00

01:21:10.760 Real pretty eyes, beautiful, but... 1.00

01:21:20.760 That is fantastic.

01:21:24.760 I'm gonna rewatch that after the podcast.

01:21:28.760 Okay, let's go to the next one.

01:21:30.760 Oh, skip one. 0.97

01:21:31.760 You've heard of a lap dog.

01:21:38.760 shoulder dog you're taking the place of your parrot 0.86

01:21:46.620 probably inherit that bloody power it's a long time yeah I think it's about 20

01:21:54.000 years old but it's like 50 yeah that was very few 75 was very what was the one we

01:21:59.640 missed unless it was at the end we've done my we've done Craig and Michael

01:22:04.720 We've done zesty. I think Paul is the next one. Okay. I was mistaken. I'm cleaning my mice right now

01:22:10.000 I'd like to introduce our little female 1.00

01:22:13.240 Fancy Mouse Iris, although she has a strange quality of

01:22:17.180 Spinning in circles when there's nothing in the cage with her

01:22:21.580 Very hypnotic I must say this is

01:22:25.400 It's like when NPC AI glitches in a video game or something

01:22:29.720 I've removed all collision objects from the area now. It's glitching out

01:22:34.720 wonderful a few rumble rants from your segment if you wanted to go through them luca uh sure

01:22:41.340 yeah uh i think i'm afraid i'm calling i'm pulling my authority and we're going to the

01:22:47.220 gold comments on the website all right so richard says uh russia pitched in my cornflakes

01:22:51.580 andy burnham 2026 basically uh on the russia the fact the most democratic event of the last 30 years

01:22:56.840 touted to be a russian plot how much better would it be if we had russian british citizens

01:23:02.100 running our country a la moggs view yeah exactly like the the amount of foreign interference we've

01:23:08.140 got foreigners as politicians in this country excuse me and they all just elected and celebrated 0.99

01:23:14.660 the election of this goddamn spy okay you see a walk into parliament like i expected a tuba 1.00

01:23:20.340 start playing you know like come on sick of it absolutely sick of it um michael says she's 1.00

01:23:29.620 literally declaring her support for a country other than the u.s which is the definition of

01:23:33.480 treason sedition uh yeah uh this is less a family tree and more a family thorn bush

01:23:38.820 uh yeah again like justin b points out though uh just because a guy saying niece and nephew

01:23:44.940 doesn't mean anything definitive but if she did marry a guy just to get him a green card so that

01:23:50.980 whilst at the same time being married to her actual husband at the time that's still a scam

01:23:56.100 Yeah, do I think they wouldn't scam?

01:23:58.400 Yeah.

01:24:00.280 Like, I'm more inclined to believe whatever they're doing is a scam.

01:24:05.420 Anyway, that's a random name, says,

01:24:08.820 so Russia is supposedly interfering with all of our elections,

01:24:11.380 and the proof is, trust me, bro.

01:24:13.060 Yes, that's literally been Andy Burnham's position,

01:24:15.840 is, well, we think they aspire to it, and they told me it was,

01:24:18.560 so therefore it was.

01:24:19.920 So this is such a cope.

01:24:20.980 And as we know, trust in the British government is at an all-time high.

01:24:26.100 yeah i just i trust them so much um uh michael says uh literally she's i know i read the one 0.99

01:24:33.680 um they should deport her back to somalia but drop her in an enemy tribes lands for shits and 0.98

01:24:38.740 gills no no no no just send her back to wherever she wants to go in somalia she can choose you 0.99

01:24:43.500 know mogadishu or wherever she's from um lancelot says omar complains trump is weaponizing the

01:24:49.040 justice system to target political opponents yeah i wonder how that could have happened 0.97

01:24:53.920 table yeah exactly god damn man like where do you think the mugshot came from ilhan uh somali 0.97

01:25:02.540 piracy in a landlocked state solar powered boats and wheels uh with wheels mag max leering road 0.98

01:25:07.220 uh yeah you know i always wondered about that it's like okay i'm a somalian i'm gonna go to

01:25:11.400 america okay where are you going to america the coldest state why isn't that uncomfortable don't

01:25:16.940 you find i mean i i would i wouldn't move to like arizona right i don't want to boil to death

01:25:22.480 but anyway connor has left a message i see your avatar the last airbender fall off and raise you

01:25:28.600 young justice seven years between season two and three and a revival spends 25 seconds 25 episodes

01:25:34.100 on a non-binary hijab wearing refugee race swapped halo with mary sue superpowers oh my god i don't

01:25:40.480 know my condolences i'm so sorry to hear about this you were mentioning connor last time you 0.96

01:25:45.980 were in about how bad young justice fell off i i did not know it was so bad man that sucks

01:25:52.380 aqua lads character arc goes from team leader to son of the main villain 0.98

01:25:56.080 to kissing a guy in a static image slides oof make him gay put a woman in it

01:26:02.520 yeah thanks scotty uh several comments about the ethnic background of the voice actors

01:26:09.820 which is i mean it's fair point like it's oh he says the asian guy i was talking about with

01:26:14.820 was prozed or pro zed d p-r-o-z-d he was the guy i was talking about he later got rejected from a

01:26:22.140 voice acting role because he wasn't the same ethnicity as the character he applied to voice

01:26:26.320 he was very upset about it it's such a slap in the face to voice actors it goes around comes

01:26:32.300 right yeah like the point the point is that can you do a cool voice mark hamill in batman the

01:26:38.780 animated series was not actually an insane clown this may which was difficult to believe because

01:26:44.360 he he was genuinely funny yeah yeah it may it may it may surprise you but he had the most

01:26:50.300 awesome voice possible it's so annoying to have to praise mark hamill he's such guys talented

01:26:56.140 i know i know that's where i'll call it oh yeah i mean fire lord ozai was just amazing

01:27:01.240 like intimidating voice acting but you know and when after i'd watched it my mate was like oh

01:27:07.680 yeah that was mark hamill i was like what yeah you know no way but no he is talented he's just 0.95

01:27:12.260 an insufferable shit lib uh canis familiar says do the ethnic rules apply to the non-english 0.95

01:27:17.420 voices i assume mexico had to find one asian spanish uh asian mexican spanish voice actor 0.99

01:27:22.100 and cast them for every role yeah exactly i mean hapsification in the rumble rounds points out

01:27:26.580 dante basco is literally asian he's filipino yeah i thought that too bad bro sorry you're the wrong

01:27:32.640 asian yeah wrong kind of they cast steven newton instead because it was more ethnically appropriate

01:27:38.220 they're gonna they're gonna start getting down to really distinct haplo groups eventually

01:27:43.900 but unless the characters are of course from somewhere of european heritage yeah in which

01:27:48.740 case it won't matter at all in which case they'll all be black yeah uh george says the original

01:27:52.500 avatar was about was all about asian cultures and people who watched it and people who watched it

01:27:56.780 didn't care that it was much like anime is japanese it definitely had progressive themes

01:28:02.480 so considering what woke garbage cora was perhaps we're dealing with a starship troopers movie

01:28:06.300 situation where the creators accidentally made something good i don't know if the themes are

01:28:10.080 woke i think the themes i don't think like themes of like kindness and justice are woke themes i

01:28:16.120 don't think they were thinking about it like that back then they were probably just thinking this

01:28:20.500 is a kid show we'll have some good values to impart on them and other than that we're going

01:28:25.120 to indulge in all of our orientalist weebery type stuff and you mentioned anime is japanese that's

01:28:30.540 why i'm interested about what the japanese and others would think of it uh the original series

01:28:35.300 because japan in a lot of its anime depicts westernized characters yes uh like um uh attack

01:28:41.560 on titan all the characters are very clearly like german with german names and background and it

01:28:46.620 seems to be the setting just happens to justify nazism well that's the thing isn't it especially

01:28:51.660 especially interesting at all especially interesting because the character the guy

01:28:57.020 who made it is apparently a massive japanese nationalist and he's like i'm gonna make a story

01:29:00.940 about a load of german people on an island being persecuted by everyone else in the world for

01:29:06.560 their history which they're made to feel guilty for all the time it's like what do you mean by

01:29:10.780 this but it's just interesting to see like an outside perspective on european yeah definitely

01:29:15.760 same with berserk yeah and uh finally warlord wututai says well maybe one or two air temples

01:29:20.820 but all four it's not logistically possible which i have no idea what that's a reference to

01:29:26.580 um but i oh god anyway that's definitely where we should

01:29:32.320 on that note thanks for joining us folks we'll see you tomorrow

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 13, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1526

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