The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1531

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1531 it is tuesday the 20th of october

00:00:07.960 year of our lord 2026 and i'm joined by stelios and bo hello everyone hello gentlemen we're just

00:00:13.200 talking about cuffs about cufflinks can we can we show the audience our cuff length don't have cuff

00:00:18.660 because i because i think that's too much i think bo's got it right actually i think bo's nailed it

00:00:24.700 cuff wise so let us know in the chat i was just saying to ian fleming and therefore james bond

00:00:31.540 really cares about the exact yes the exact amount of cuff on show yeah you're out by a few mil

00:00:38.460 it looks bad not a gentleman yeah right yeah well that's how we can spot a double agent so quickly

00:00:48.100 it's like that guy's probably russian yeah yeah wrong cuff length right okay um what are we going

00:00:54.200 to talk about oh yes we're going to talk about um bolsonaro um in in brazil is is doing good stuff

00:01:02.060 so we'll hear all about that yeah we're going to go full brazilian yes uh yes why not

00:01:08.560 i'd look good with the brazilian one day um i'll talk

00:01:15.400 no obviously i go for full hollywood no i'm going to be talking about um what is it how

00:01:23.420 much does a riot cost um and then we're gonna have some flying cars and flying japanese and

00:01:28.740 all that sort of stuff christmas markets gonna be safe now the mission architecture of a real

00:01:33.900 mars mission that sounds good that's that will cheer us up actually because it's all

00:01:39.280 wands and destruction at the moment isn't it yeah hopefully it's a bit of a white pill not

00:01:42.500 white pill wednesday white pill tuesday yes i like a white pill from time to time bit of space

00:01:46.540 science technology stuff yes and on announcements uh we can't do a political chat this week because

00:01:52.000 cars going off to give some lecture however um as soon as he's out the office i'm going to record

00:01:58.080 a video and put it in the time slot unsupervised so it will still be good anyway with that it's

00:02:03.980 going to be done uncensored yes yes politics my way and after hours wait except i'm going to do

00:02:11.360 it in hours i'm going to get i'm going to make sure i get paid for it oh for sure yeah right

00:02:15.800 so this upcoming sunday we're going to have the second round of presidential elections in brazil

00:02:21.340 and it's going to be between Flavio Bolsonaro the son of Jair Bolsonaro and Lula who is seeking a

00:02:28.520 fourth re-election is not is like one of those people who just refuse to leave the scene and

00:02:36.320 when they leave it's finally he left didn't he go to jail for corruption in between some of those

00:02:41.480 terms I don't know if he went to jail he was accused for corruption multiple times yeah but

00:02:48.260 the the brazilian system acquitted him i think he went to jail and then that uh the father judge

00:02:58.280 let him out the father of bolsonaro is in jail for an attempt yeah i know yeah they just jail

00:03:03.140 each other yeah yeah it's just yeah it's just weird but we are gonna talk about the debate

00:03:08.540 and it was fun actually i'm gonna give you some context about the elections and then some footage

00:03:16.460 from the debate because you know you if you're into politics you don't expect much from debates

00:03:23.180 you hear the same things you've heard over and over and over again debates are mostly spectacle

00:03:29.100 to motivate the people who aren't that much into politics such as the 33 million brazilians who

00:03:34.940 didn't vote in the first round right i ask when is that second round this this sunday this sunday

00:03:43.500 The first round was on the 4th of October, and Flavio Bolsonaro won.

00:03:51.760 He got 47% of the votes. Lula got 45% of the votes.

00:03:58.140 And it's very interesting because when we have, you know, momentous elections,

00:04:04.560 and this is considered an election that is a bit momentous,

00:04:08.220 because ever since USAID was cut,

00:04:11.560 the left hasn't scored any victory in Latin America.

00:04:16.360 And Lula is very much pro-China and pro-Iran,

00:04:21.460 whereas Flavio Bolsonaro is very much pro-Trump

00:04:24.580 and in favour of the shield of the Americas.

00:04:28.260 Let's see if the CIA can reverse the polarity on the machines they've got in Brazil.

00:04:33.340 I can comment on that.

00:04:36.000 I'm surprised Lula hasn't had a mysterious plane crash long before now.

00:04:39.600 Or getting black bagged in the middle of the night or something.

00:04:42.560 Well, the thing is that normally when we have these elections,

00:04:48.940 the left across the globe, especially the international leftist media apparatus,

00:04:54.840 are trying to up their candidate.

00:04:58.940 But in this case, we don't see this.

00:05:00.880 We see a Lula that has completely ran off steam.

00:05:04.360 Really?

00:05:05.220 Yes.

00:05:06.000 He is tired, he is 80, almost 81 years old,

00:05:11.240 and he is in the position where he is giving arguments

00:05:15.100 that are usually the arguments that the left is voting against.

00:05:19.760 He's also very, very short.

00:05:22.280 Well, this wasn't a problem for them the previous three times they voted.

00:05:26.840 I think it should be.

00:05:28.620 That's interesting. He's making arguments that usually the left don't make.

00:05:32.220 Yes, because one of the key reasons of frustrations with Lula's administration has to do with the coast of living crisis.

00:05:40.540 So Lula right now has to tell them, be patient.

00:05:45.700 This is going to work eventually.

00:05:47.820 You will have to make sacrifices.

00:05:49.900 All of us will have to make some sacrifices, but we have to be patient.

00:05:54.780 The long run economic arguments are usually arguments that right wingers are giving.

00:06:00.460 Okay.

00:06:01.060 whereas the left ones right here right now you know economic justice we want our handouts

00:06:06.440 lula right now is giving long-term economic arguments that in the long run if we're patient

00:06:12.100 things are going to work out and this isn't boding well with them and the cost of living crisis is a

00:06:19.860 crisis that brazilians credit to him or blame him for right so here we have the guardian writing an

00:06:28.720 article talking about um bolsonaro's strong performance on the first round of election and

00:06:35.600 they're saying that according to several political scientists the bolsonarismo is a phenomenon that

00:06:41.920 is here to stay and when i mean here to stay i mean it's there in brazil to stay and they're

00:06:47.360 saying that there are several reasons why bolsonaro's fair is uh is going really well

00:06:53.440 right one of that is the evangelical church brazil's evangelical church has expanded

00:06:58.880 dramatically since the 1980s nearly a third of the population is evangelical and evangelical

00:07:06.320 priests are using social media accounts in order to boost their influence and they are

00:07:11.920 campaigning for bolsonaro right when we think of latin america sadly we are thinking of lots

00:07:20.000 of crime and corruption and the brazilians don't think that lula has done much against that

00:07:27.600 melo franco here a political scientist says urban violence was another factor that had turbocharged

00:07:33.120 the far-right windstorm sweeping brazil and he does say that this is just and he does criticize

00:07:39.840 bolsonaro's narrative he calls it pejoratively security populism and he calls him as

00:07:46.560 proposing solutions that don't work but that's a tacit admission that lula hasn't done much to

00:07:54.900 solve i think i think it's worse now i'm pretty sure a year ago faraz did a segment on um crime

00:08:00.780 in brazil yeah in which he was saying was us three on the podcast yes and he he he was saying

00:08:07.120 that basically the government is tacitly encouraging it a bit like the da's in america

00:08:12.800 they kind of basically make sure these people never well if you're a leftist and you are

00:08:17.600 infatuated with turning vandalism into a political issue you do want to present vandals

00:08:27.560 as sort of representing politics a sort of political group that they then going to placate

00:08:34.300 in order to win votes from instead of just saying listen this is just vandalism this is just an

00:08:40.420 issue of law enforcement hmm find it weird different people mean all different types of

00:08:47.500 things by populism don't they yeah where it's been co-opted by all from all different angles

00:08:52.820 but i find it odd the idea of security populism yeah how is having security not going to be

00:09:01.360 popular i know populism is slightly different thing often used as slightly different words

00:09:06.860 just being popular but nonetheless populism is just a slur for popular yeah security populism

00:09:12.700 like i mean i doesn't want unless you're a full-blown commie that wants a revolution

00:09:18.060 and the full-blown like breakdown of any sort of capitalist society or perhaps if you're a

00:09:23.740 full-blown anarchist but otherwise the vast majority of people you just want security why

00:09:29.580 are you calling it security i think it has to do with how it's been applied in action because

00:09:34.300 I can definitely conceive of governments going too far in order to secure places and interfere

00:09:40.900 with people's liberties way too much. 1.00

00:09:44.060 But I think that in this case, just accepting the favela-oriented crime as a fact of life

00:09:51.080 is really not the way to go forward. 0.94

00:09:53.180 Right.

00:09:54.180 Absolutely.

00:09:55.180 Yeah.

00:09:56.180 Aren't they just pockets of complete lawlessness?

00:09:57.680 Yeah, of course.

00:09:58.680 Right.

00:09:59.680 pain hasn't been great either. According to analysts, Lula's failure to focus on day-to-day

00:10:07.580 issues such as crime may have hurt his prospects. I like the May. May is doing some heavy work

00:10:14.040 there. But he doesn't give the results. He doesn't tell the Brazilians that I have improved

00:10:22.000 your life, that crime has been reduced. All he does is being anti-Trump. And he says that

00:10:29.500 most of his campaign has been has been anti-Trump talking points. He's talking about Trump's

00:10:35.780 colonial designs and how he has to protect Brazil's rare earth reserves. And he doesn't

00:10:44.580 have problems to he doesn't have solutions to immediate problems such as bank debts,

00:10:50.160 cost of food and insecurity. Now, let me just remind people I'm showing a Guardian article.

00:10:56.260 I'm showing a leftist media outlet.

00:10:59.040 I haven't heard, just to quickly say,

00:11:00.740 I haven't heard Trump make a great deal of noise

00:11:04.040 about Brazil one way or the other.

00:11:06.260 It doesn't appear to me high on Trump's agenda

00:11:09.340 that he's constantly trying to interfere with Brazil or anything.

00:11:13.280 I mean, he talks about it from time to time, doesn't he?

00:11:15.360 I'm sure it is, and I really hope he doesn't speak

00:11:18.160 like he spoke in Canada right before the election,

00:11:20.860 and that really hurt...

00:11:23.860 who was it the conservative mark poiley ever and it catapulted mark carney and i i'm i'm

00:11:30.080 sympathetic with concerns about the canadian conservatives but you have to admit that carney

00:11:36.680 is far worse right here it says here the government treated any kind of criticism as a display of

00:11:42.720 fascism which undoubtedly exists in brazil and elitism which also exists but what also exists

00:11:48.500 is a group of voters who expected more from the government and who are neither fascist nor

00:11:53.340 elitists there are simply people who didn't like the government and decided to punish it

00:11:59.100 if only guardian understood that this could also happen outside of brazil in the uk and

00:12:06.220 in europe as well i should say isn't that typical leftism yes once you go past the sort of wishy

00:12:12.460 washy um sort of ing sock geography teacher fabian type once you go a bit beyond that

00:12:20.460 it's just immediately any criticism of the left is fascism it is authoritarianism it's just

00:12:26.780 straightforwardly authoritarianism with a so-called human face right um let's look here the

00:12:35.260 debate they had a debate a few days ago and it really was weird and very comedic it says here

00:12:42.620 on the associated press brazil's lula and flavia bolsonaro trade barbs in first debate only days

00:12:48.220 between before presidential runoff and they're saying that bolsonaro didn't particularly convince

00:12:57.900 people and they're they seem to side with lula here they're saying here that the most tense

00:13:05.100 moment of the debate came when lula challenged bolsonaro for both of them to open their personal

00:13:10.060 finances to scrutiny so authorities can tell before the runoff if they have suspicious

00:13:15.580 transactions to explain right the thing is that it was very comedic in a way i i'll say that just

00:13:23.500 look at the body language of them i'll keep that plain and i'll say something uh to expand on a

00:13:29.500 talking point i said before is that if you follow politics you don't wait until the presidential

00:13:36.620 debates to happen to form your mind you have already formed your opinion about who you are

00:13:41.900 are going to vote so now they're fighting for the uh people who didn't vote and the eight percent

00:13:47.600 that didn't vote for either of them and polls suggest that bolsonaro has a lead how comfortable

00:13:56.180 that is remains to be seen if it exists but it seems like bolsonaro has wind on his sails

00:14:04.700 And Lula seems very tired, angry, incapable of controlling his emotions.

00:14:12.360 And he doesn't have that much to say.

00:14:14.940 So look at their...

00:14:18.240 It's like a comedic duo.

00:14:21.180 It is like a comedic duo.

00:14:23.400 Sometimes these things do hold real importance and can sway in the election.

00:14:26.800 Famously in the 1960 US election, there was Nixon versus JFK.

00:14:30.720 JFK was the young, handsome, suave, sophisticated, cool, cool under pressure candidate.

00:14:38.820 And Nixon's just looking a bit older, a bit more middle-aged, a bit more sort of sweaty and under pressure.

00:14:45.180 And they say that could make a big difference.

00:14:47.920 And also Lula's five foot three. 0.97

00:14:50.120 I can't believe that women would vote for somebody who's five foot three, 0.99

00:14:54.920 because they certainly wouldn't date somebody like that. 1.00

00:14:57.040 So why are they voting for them? 0.55

00:14:58.540 and like it must be the case that half of brazil is women i don't understand it must have been 0.75

00:15:05.260 usaid i just forgot a link to include where he said uh that women um samson at some point could

00:15:14.300 we have the could we check out lula women comment and just include it whenever we we can i'll i'll

00:15:22.540 keep on with the segment and whenever you whenever you can thank you thanks right so

00:15:30.140 what you said when it comes to the debate you mentioned both nixon and jfk were really in zone

00:15:38.060 and uh people who heard it from the radio thought that nixon was he had yeah uh stronger voice let's

00:15:45.100 say more bariton votes that people associate with leadership but and his arguments weren't poor

00:15:49.500 yeah no it's just what he looked like not at all and then looked bad uh uh eight years afterwards

00:15:55.020 he and 12 years afterwards he scored landslide victory yeah right yeah yeah and 72 elections

00:16:00.940 and absolutely yes but here it i don't think that this is the same error and uh they aren't

00:16:07.820 using particularly arguments it's more like jabs i want to know the satchel's what lula says here

00:16:13.980 my adversary knows buses through literature because never in his life did he get on a bus

00:16:20.620 he knows the worker through literature because he never worked do you know anyone who has never

00:16:26.060 worked it's flavio bolsonaro hahaha for god's sake stop this massacre this is this is a pro lula

00:16:32.700 account i got on a bus once and i didn't like it well yes but also i remember at least he concedes

00:16:40.940 that flavio bolsonaro may have read a book or something right on the bus was emotional damage

00:16:47.180 were you have you been on a bus i've been on many buses in my life yeah i'm poor working 0.98

00:16:52.300 class kid i've been on a lot of buses dan yeah they suck i mean you're not wrong yeah they suck 0.96

00:16:58.540 you know right yeah yeah right here we have another jab by lula which is a bit rich i must 0.98

00:17:06.780 say because lula is very much steeped into scandals i have this article here from the time

00:17:13.660 that's from uh 10 years ago check it out if you want to if you want to read it

00:17:19.500 it's good it was published on my birthday right how the petrobras scandal ensnared lula and

00:17:24.860 upturned brazilian politics right so just if you want some context about lula and scandals lula says

00:17:32.380 here do you see this auditorium full of people you know how many people here were convicted or

00:17:37.820 imprisoned for corruption just you and the one who apprehended him is here that's him and here

00:17:45.660 he says that's uh sorry is this bolsonaro the son has he been convicted of corruption don't think

00:17:51.260 so okay that was maybe he he was talking speaking collectively as not unless he loses let me just

00:17:57.500 check quickly i don't think flavia bolsonaro has done any time in prison but let's see i'll let

00:18:05.260 this play here i want us to watch this clip from the debate well we understand it yes there is

00:18:12.300 there is uh english subtitles he says that he's going to subordinate uh brazil to american

00:18:23.260 interests and he doesn't have a particularly good voice it's very annoying and he he says that

00:18:31.660 basically bolsonaro wants to tie brazil to the u.s sphere of influence i think that's a fair thing

00:18:40.700 uh that's a fair uh point i don't think i i don't think necessarily it's a bad thing

00:18:46.300 to be honest and here he said he has this fun moment here where he lula is very uncomfortable

00:18:53.900 he says i don't want to be i don't want to be near you you're making me uncomfortable i don't

00:18:58.460 want to be new and bolsonaro says don't worry i don't have my wallet here you can't steal it

00:19:04.300 you won't be able to rob me and he's a zing yeah and he says that he wants to talk about

00:19:11.180 sovereignty. Lula is constantly dying, lying, sorry, and he wants to subordinate Brazil to 0.66

00:19:19.820 terrorist organizations. He doesn't know what he's talking about with the shield of the Americas,

00:19:24.720 and he says it's nothing more than a cooperation among various countries from all over the Americas,

00:19:31.200 and he says Lula, with you, crime has exploded in Brazil. In fact, can you explain why 73%

00:19:38.380 of inmates voted for ye and lula is going to give a very insane response he says ah i wish it were

00:19:44.700 100 including your father says your father can vote for me just that's not a particularly way

00:19:51.700 to own someone very presidential is it i mean you can say that i mean in the trump and hillary

00:19:59.040 debate trump wasn't particularly presidential there that's a good point that i think that's

00:20:05.260 fair point to say but the point is that they are they're trying to convince everyday brazilians who

00:20:15.020 feel that they have been completely left out of the of the democratic process and that they aren't

00:20:20.140 represented by the political system and i don't think that him trying to incorporate the vote of

00:20:29.580 the vote of the prison inmates is going to do wonders with with the brazilians who feel that

00:20:34.860 Plus, Bolsonaro Sr. is only in jail because he lost the election to Lula and Lula put him in jail for that.

00:20:40.660 Well, I don't feel very, I don't know that much about it, about the story of it.

00:20:46.480 So I don't want to comment about the specific incarceration of Jair Bolsonaro.

00:20:53.360 Wasn't he convicted of attempting a military coup?

00:20:55.600 Of attempting a coup, yeah.

00:20:57.020 Which he obviously didn't. He was in Florida eating a KFC when the result came in.

00:21:01.980 Right.

00:21:02.200 Well, that may be the case. I need to have more context about it. But that's not going to work for them. And Lula is ramping up the anti-dictatorship card on his rhetoric.

00:21:18.440 The point is that if those people were convinced that Bolsonaro is a potentially dictatorial figure, they would have already voted in the first round.

00:21:30.180 So this fear campaign won't work with them.

00:21:33.520 Right, so here he says he's going to go very hard on crime.

00:21:40.240 Lula isn't particularly hard.

00:21:41.560 lula is trying to to portray him as sort of a very let's say popular candidate who is also the

00:21:50.680 candidate for the poor kids in the favelas who are let's say taken advantage of by the cartels

00:21:57.800 meanwhile he isn't gonna go hardcore on the cartels so that's one thing that uh he he didn't

00:22:05.480 do and he is governing for four years that's again uh as i said here that's a fun clip from

00:22:11.640 the debate he says bolsonaro says stay here by my side calm down i'm not a violent guy

00:22:17.160 lula said i want to keep away from militiamen and bolsonaro says i'm not carrying my wallet

00:22:21.800 so you can't rob me so it's they're they're just you know it's it's really ad hominem on there and

00:22:29.320 And Lula says, you're Millet's friend.

00:22:33.580 Flavio says, you're Maduro's friend.

00:22:36.040 And then basically says, if you're Millet's friend,

00:22:40.080 Bolsonaro responds, you're a friend of Maduro,

00:22:42.220 you're a friend of several other dictators.

00:22:44.880 Lula changes the subject.

00:22:47.000 And Lula asks, since you're a friend of Millet,

00:22:49.080 do you still say that your model is Millet's model?

00:22:51.940 Bolsonaro says, and your friend is Ortega from Nicaragua

00:22:54.880 and Maduro is in prison.

00:22:56.600 Those are your friends, and you send your vice

00:22:58.340 greet the dictator of Iran. So you can sort of see here the geopolitical alliances that each

00:23:06.420 candidate wants to bring Brazil to. And Millet's model isn't exactly not working for Argentina.

00:23:15.500 Now, I know that in here in the UK, we're very much angry with the rhetoric of Millet against

00:23:22.820 the Falklands and other people who are chiming into it from any area of the planet. But if

00:23:31.160 we just look at what Millet is doing for Argentina, he is scoring some major wins for Argentina.

00:23:38.540 So I don't see how this is bad for Bolsonaro. Obviously, this is something that several

00:23:46.780 you know leftists don't want because the free market is the devil for them and they think that

00:23:52.700 Millet is the devil but people who do think that Bolsonaro is a sort of demonic free marketeer

00:24:00.740 also dictator figure would have voted for Lula in the first round. Hasn't Millet really got

00:24:08.760 a grip or started to get a grip on the Argentinian economy? Yeah. Didn't it have crazy high

00:24:16.460 inflation and he's brought that down massively right he has sort of tamed it he has had

00:24:21.740 uh massive help from the us okay but that's that's always a sort of uh it goes together

00:24:27.900 you can't abstract geopolitics from the economy so he he was helped that we we have to say this

00:24:36.780 right and here um lula at some point threatened bolsonaro with legal persecution if he wins

00:24:43.420 so now i'll again remind i'll remind the people of trump joking to hillary clinton that he's going

00:24:53.260 to put her in jail during the 2016 november debates yeah but trump didn't actually do it

00:24:58.620 he didn't do it did put his dad in jail for losing an election and now he's just said look i'm going 0.71

00:25:03.120 to put you in jail as well if you lose this yeah so so he has more teeth than that lula's accusing

00:25:08.260 bolsonaro of being the the tyrant and waiting yeah but also threatening him with legal persecution

00:25:16.100 yes right okay here he did something uh that i i don't know who suggested him to do it it's

00:25:25.620 so weird that i i triple checked if it's ai he went out lula and he spoke on social media and

00:25:32.340 said i couldn't debate with him he was prepared i've already talked with obama trump and putin

00:25:36.980 but Flavio he felt very uncomfortable with because he's so short he made look silly anyway

00:25:46.820 right here you have people both sides claiming claiming that their preferred candidate won

00:25:55.380 here they're saying this is a particularly fun moment from it they're saying that there have

00:26:00.500 been some memes and some comments says here I don't know if I'm watching a presidential debate

00:26:05.300 or an aura battle that's some funny here is that what the kids call mogging yes it's also here

00:26:12.820 this is a fun i like au pair comments so i have to i had to say here the au pair trying to tell

00:26:21.140 my wife that i was sniffing her used panty right right and your brother when he would accuse you

00:26:28.500 in front of your parents for something you didn't do here they have an ai video of lula stealing

00:26:34.020 Bolsonaro's...

00:26:35.020 Voila! Voila!

00:26:44.020 Yep.

00:26:47.020 Okay, and last comment here.

00:26:51.020 Bolsonaro was dancing.

00:26:54.020 Lula left very angry from the debate

00:26:57.020 and Bolsonaro kept dancing at the end.

00:27:00.020 he put some Brazilian joy into that weird and comedic debate.

00:27:07.140 I think that this is a fun way to end the debate.

00:27:10.100 And Lula seems very, he has run out of steam.

00:27:14.020 He has no momentum.

00:27:16.000 He has nothing to say for his candidacy.

00:27:20.700 I think he is going to lose.

00:27:24.160 Let's see what's going to happen this Sunday.

00:27:26.300 He'll be brilliant. Bolsonaro wins, brilliant.

00:27:27.440 and the question of whether bolsonaro jr will just do some sort of blanket presidential

00:27:33.680 pardon of his own father oh immediately yeah without doubt immediately

00:27:38.640 let's see what's going to happen right

00:27:42.920 do you have any of the comedy things to comment on

00:27:50.940 there's a couple of super chats we didn't find the thing it was weird because he said

00:27:57.380 something lula said something about women right backshot remember roughly what it was is he

00:28:01.540 dunking on i think that uh it's uh yeah he was dunking on women he was saying something that

00:28:06.480 uh they they the day they aren't working they are they should uh clean the house

00:28:11.960 sounding weird anyway that's not the the way to win the left let's say right backshot breakfast

00:28:19.420 looking forward to the dango unchained episode yes one for one paladin ross perro went from

00:28:28.200 eight to nineteen percent i think after he appeared in a televised debate with bush

00:28:32.900 senior and clinton ross perro there's a blast from the past

00:28:37.160 so i thought we might talk about how much does a riot cost because they're getting really popular

00:28:45.400 at the moment aren't they they're sort of springing up all over the place we might even get

00:28:49.260 some in london and bristol and bradford and and all the rest soon because they seem to be spreading

00:28:54.780 around the world so let's have a bit of a bit of a look shall we um and and i've got various

00:29:00.760 pointers i mean actually i'll turn the sound off on this one but i mean this do you guys remember

00:29:05.420 this one that um that furniture store in in croydon that got burnt during the 2011 riots

00:29:14.260 so it was built in 1867

00:29:17.560 actually no

00:29:18.260 I might just go ahead

00:29:19.680 and play the sound

00:29:20.480 well I'm 80 years old

00:29:26.340 it was my wedding anniversary

00:29:27.560 yesterday

00:29:27.960 and I came back

00:29:28.760 and saw it on television

00:29:29.820 I mean

00:29:31.080 I don't know how I'm here today

00:29:33.560 but I am

00:29:35.180 we can't blame the police

00:29:38.160 we can't blame the fire people

00:29:40.040 they were brilliant

00:29:40.820 but I think the policing

00:29:44.080 everything has to be re-examined. I don't think that people sometimes in the government

00:29:49.760 are very intelligent. They can only see what's going on. And I do think we've got a little

00:29:57.140 harder. Because this can happen again anywhere. Get a gang of youths, you know, go in and

00:30:02.540 ...

00:30:03.540 Beautiful old building. One of the oldest buildings in Croydon. Burnt it down. Family

00:30:10.280 store 15 generations of family

00:30:12.200 workers

00:30:12.760 what is it about Croydon

00:30:15.960 do you think that made it happen there

00:30:18.000 that's an interesting question

00:30:19.220 yeah what is it I don't know

00:30:22.940 I don't know maybe

00:30:24.200 the weather

00:30:24.680 there's going to be

00:30:28.260 some sort of underlying factor with these

00:30:30.000 spots that kick off isn't there

00:30:31.860 reasonably diverse area

00:30:34.300 but apparently the

00:30:35.560 2011 riots they cost about 400 million

00:30:38.160 in damages

00:30:39.020 um i mean the policing operation alone cost an additional 90 million to get that under control

00:30:45.960 and to be fair they did i think i think by what happened is if i remember it correctly

00:30:50.500 is by about day three or four you were getting english guys that kind of dads were coming out

00:30:57.200 on their street with pitchforks and kitchen knives and basically blockading the end of

00:31:02.000 their streams like when they saw the people the people who do the riots coming towards and they're

00:31:10.000 just like no no go away you're not you're not you're not coming here um and i think the government

00:31:15.620 realized that there could be a little bit of um could we say secretarian flavor i remember it was

00:31:23.660 the cameron years wasn't it the early cameron years and he decided to crack down on it might

00:31:28.400 be yes and he he did like fast track prosecutions of people yeah well keir starmer was um head of

00:31:36.160 the cps then right okay and he and he i mean he was he was jailing everybody he could because he

00:31:41.100 just he just liked doing it in fact one guy i think he deported him one of the few people keir

00:31:45.080 starmer was ever deported because he stole a scoop of ice cream during the 2011 riots

00:31:49.940 there's like okay find a portion i i remember the 2011 riots because i was living in i think i was

00:31:56.680 living in forest hill in london at the time and because nobody in london drives so i had to walk

00:32:02.820 to the tubes i know do you have a car but i had to walk to the tube station um to get into central

00:32:07.820 london and and when you do the same walk twice a day every day you get to know who lives in all that

00:32:14.800 in the houses and there was one house which was a bit more um wasn't wasn't traditional britons

00:32:21.660 living there wasn't wasn't and i remember the the day after the 2011 riots um they had a new 65 inch

00:32:29.760 tv box was just lobbed out the window just sat there on the street in front of it so i mean they

00:32:37.400 managed to get some shopping done i don't know how because all the shops were shut as i remember but

00:32:41.960 that was interesting um another riot so um a bit of a bit of chilean protests now so uh this one

00:32:53.560 actually i think they've got some good pictures behind it but let's play the turn the sound off

00:32:59.640 for this one because you won't understand it that one got a bit lively

00:33:05.000 400 million in damages there as well apparently this one kicked off because of um subway fares

00:33:16.560 or metro fares subway fares that that yeah sure is all of those people it's a bit like in france

00:33:23.240 they just want to read the classics they just want to learn sheet music yeah this time it's

00:33:28.320 because yeah we um yeah the price of a of a subway ticket that's what i was talking about

00:33:33.520 in the first segment is that i despise the fact that issues simple issues of laws enforced of

00:33:40.160 law enforcement like you're a vandal you're you're you're going in are turned into political issues

00:33:46.400 from the mainstream media and several politicians it's despicable yes there's 400 million damages

00:33:53.820 to to just the subway um and another 1.4 billion dollars worth of damage to um santiago i believe

00:34:01.960 it was you know if you send the message across to these people that yeah i am going to you know uh

00:34:08.920 grant you your demands yes you're essentially telling them create you're giving them the

00:34:13.800 incentive to to cause more damage more billions of damage that way yes yes um let's have a look at 0.95

00:34:22.280 france shall we got a bit of france um oh lucky lucky they got that lady police officer to um 0.97

00:34:30.360 uh to protect them so let's get some footage of france 0.92

00:34:36.600 maybe that's an undercover police officer i don't know

00:34:40.440 so yes france um early estimates and it is still early we don't know how bad it's going to get yet

00:34:47.160 but 3 000 businesses affected suffered some sort of damage it could be anything from a broken

00:34:53.000 window to being completely stripped i'd imagine a lot of them have been completely stripped

00:34:57.560 and early provisions from the the insurance companies is around 1.2 billion but that could

00:35:04.320 easily go up quite significantly um shops looted burnt set on fire staff beaten up all that sort

00:35:11.920 of thing the schools burnt down oh and the schools and the schools in limoges they burnt down the

00:35:16.780 town hall yes which is a historic building irreplaceable i mean works it was painted on

00:35:23.920 the inside works of art on it i mean beautiful building uh but yeah at least three thousand

00:35:30.000 businesses uh hitting on that because of the cost of living yeah apparently well no because

00:35:37.180 apparently they they want better education yeah some of their textbooks are a bit a bit moldy

00:35:43.580 yeah more philosophy in french schools they're crying out they need you stelios they need you

00:35:49.200 to go over there and return to teaching.

00:35:52.280 There's not enough supply teachers in Limoges.

00:35:55.420 With half the money of the damages I'd have to, I'd go.

00:36:05.100 Yes.

00:36:07.100 I could be convinced to drop that down a bit.

00:36:12.300 I mean, they're already putting aside 1.2 billion,

00:36:17.020 the insurance companies and obviously it's going to be a lot more than that one point so if they

00:36:21.200 were you're saying if they were to pay you 600 million you'd prevent the next riot okay that's

00:36:27.240 very self-libbed um yeah this article was interesting about this um i won't make you

00:36:33.460 read it i'll take the key points from it so i mean bear in mind that france has had a number of

00:36:38.100 quite lively riots before i mean 2005 and 2023 stand out as being a bit lively um and and basically

00:36:46.020 the the government realized that riots was just a thing that was going to happen and more often

00:36:51.800 so so they tried to change the law so that basically the insurance companies had to cover

00:36:58.740 riot cost because naturally the insurance companies like well why would why would we cover

00:37:04.080 somebody who set up shop in paris for riot costs so they were getting out of that market after those

00:37:09.860 previous riots so the government's trying to change the law to socialize the costs the costs

00:37:14.380 on that um unfortunately that law hasn't come into effect yet it's going to be like san francisco

00:37:19.740 gavin newsom has allowed the gangs to steal everything everything under a thousand dollars

00:37:25.660 isn't considered prosecutable in theft and businesses are leaving san francisco center 0.57

00:37:32.620 yeah of course france has got a long tradition of being of revolting yes french can certainly be

00:37:39.980 revolting and i'm not just talking about 1789 or the terror afterwards but like all through the

00:37:47.020 50s 60s 70s france had a reputation for basically leftists turning out on the streets building

00:37:53.020 barricades fighting the cops etc etc etc at the top of a hat or to what brits seemed like the

00:37:58.380 drop of a hat um so it's not sort of a it's not a new pattern france although this is new in

00:38:07.900 nature in some ways isn't it it's not new but i think that what we are what we have to stress out

00:38:13.820 is that europe has been a violent continent historically speaking and in the last decades

00:38:21.500 we have had a sort of peace a fragile peace and now politicians have taken ridiculous risks

00:38:30.140 that are compromising it.

00:38:33.760 Well, in the place of the political chat,

00:38:37.160 because Carl's going off to Oxford,

00:38:38.380 I'm going to do a retrospective on the 90s

00:38:40.760 and the sort of things that we used to think

00:38:42.740 were important in the 90s.

00:38:44.280 And basically, we got to the end of the civilizational arc.

00:38:46.780 Everything was kind of settled.

00:38:48.460 People were writing books about the end of history.

00:38:51.440 Basically, we got to the you've won screen.

00:38:55.740 If life was a video game,

00:38:57.320 we had got to the completion screen

00:38:59.040 and then governments decided oh we've got to mix this up this is this is too stable we need to

00:39:04.320 introduce a new element into this um i've said before i think that historians will look back at

00:39:09.740 basically the 1990s this is just for the west doesn't necessarily what i'm about to say doesn't

00:39:14.300 necessarily apply to sort of rwanda say or east timor but um in the west between the fall of the

00:39:21.940 berlin wall in 89 and 9 11 in 2001 so basically the 90s it's one of the most peaceful periods

00:39:29.620 we've ever known really then yeah then we had to change policy of a certain kind to make it

00:39:38.400 but going back to the insurance uh point so um you know the the french federation of insurers

00:39:44.020 have said that because this this law is quite advanced now they're saying that they're probably

00:39:48.540 going to cover um physical riot damage but they're not going to be covering you know loss of loss of

00:39:55.020 trading hours anything like that and if you've had your store smashed out your stock gone um the

00:40:01.020 fixtures and fittings kind of ripped apart it could be it could be easily six weeks if you're

00:40:06.120 pushing it before before you're able to open again and that's not going to get insured so so the

00:40:11.240 french government is making noises about funding sort of short-term working arrangements so we've

00:40:15.600 now got to the point where um the government is subsidizing wages because it can't stop its cities

00:40:22.780 from being destroyed um here's a sounds like a nice way of describing that would be managed

00:40:30.100 decline wouldn't it yes very very oh they're managing the decline quite effectively yes

00:40:34.000 got any good pictures in here or a narco tyranny narco tyranny don't they that's sort of what

00:40:41.960 the left would want is this type of chaos selective anarchy like you permit some groups

00:40:48.680 to do everything and they anything and they're going to get away with it whereas you go really

00:40:53.800 hard on others yeah so here we got an article about shopkeepers trying to respond to you know

00:41:00.620 the damage on their properties um bit of graffiti there it is it is dark in the land of the

00:41:07.980 enlightenment which i suppose probably reads better in the french um but you know you've got

00:41:13.760 you've got to imagine you know you've got you've got a small stock uh shop i'm not talking about

00:41:17.100 anything big you could easily have had 30 40 grands worth of stock cleared off the shelves

00:41:22.480 uh that again in fixtures and fittings damage to it and if your margins are small and you haven't

00:41:29.640 got a large amount of wealth then that's it that's game over yep that's it that's your livelihood

00:41:33.680 on your business gone well and the worst thing is is it could easily and if that's if you're

00:41:39.360 pushing it you could easily take six weeks to get open again and nobody's going to compensate you

00:41:44.360 you they're still going to demand your rent they're still going to they're still going to

00:41:47.100 come along the tax man is still going to come along and say right pay your business rates

00:41:49.820 pay your federal taxes they're still they're not going to let off on the taxes but you can't open

00:41:54.940 now for six weeks minimum again it's what leftists want like if you've got a small business you

00:41:59.740 got much money you run a business and the margins are small and you haven't got a lot oh you could 0.99

00:42:03.980 easily be earning minimum wage you're you're to them you're a filthy kulak yeah you're still a 0.99

00:42:09.740 capitalist you own something well then you deserve you deserve it to lose that they hate the petit 0.99

00:42:17.100 bourgeois more than the bourgeois because they say that you guys should be voting for us and you don't

00:42:23.500 whereas the others it's understandable that they don't yeah and and more to the point right if

00:42:28.140 if you've had your business destroyed by this,

00:42:30.860 are you going to reopen in the same location?

00:42:33.500 If you've got an idea for a business,

00:42:35.380 are you going to think, oh, okay, yeah,

00:42:37.640 that neighbourhood of Paris, which is, you know,

00:42:39.860 which has got the benefits of all sorts of, you know,

00:42:42.420 wonderful diversity and stuff like that,

00:42:44.600 are you going to go and open a business there?

00:42:47.020 It's a bit like, I think you already mentioned it,

00:42:50.740 but what was that state where they basically made shoplifting legal?

00:42:55.420 California.

00:42:56.280 Yeah, it's got to be California, isn't it? 0.99

00:42:58.140 um and then um in some of the more diverse neighborhoods they're they're they're kicking

00:43:02.680 off now because they've got no shops because all the shops closed down yeah it's like why aren't

00:43:07.880 they why aren't they providing me a shop how am i supposed to buy anything yeah let alone steal

00:43:12.340 anything if there's no shops here i mean why why would the shops go there's no walgreens yeah

00:43:17.500 all we've got is like basically a corner shop type deal that's uh fortified literally like the

00:43:25.080 windows have got bars on them and the door is like some sort of safe door yeah it's basically

00:43:29.940 so i've said i've seen some u.s shops in very diverse areas and it's basically just you go in

00:43:34.180 and it's like a kiosk it's like um bulletproof glass and a little portway and they pass you

00:43:39.300 through items after you paid for them because it's the only way you can operate in those

00:43:43.100 neighborhoods um which is nice uh this is a report you know the french senate report into

00:43:50.260 the 2003 riots so a bit old that one um and and here they talk about some of the figures so so

00:43:57.220 the 2005 riots that i mentioned earlier gets included in this report that was 200 million

00:44:01.940 euros and that's in 2005 money so you know getting on for at least half a billion if not more um

00:44:11.860 20 sounds relatively tame in comparison to what came afterwards well they they hadn't been fully

00:44:17.700 diversified at that point maybe so so that you know they weren't quite as vibrant um 2023 we're

00:44:23.220 now up to um 800 million euros plus 16 400 insurance claims that you know the costs are

00:44:33.420 going on on that and so far they reckon that this one at the moment like i say is going to cost 1.2

00:44:38.580 billion assuming it stops today which i don't think it will in fact just before we came on

00:44:43.960 Luca found a clip of what they're doing now

00:44:47.180 is the Algerians and the Africans are setting up shop

00:44:49.980 outside the destroyed stores

00:44:53.340 so that when the shopkeeper comes back in the morning

00:44:56.520 to find their store smashed up

00:44:58.640 they're willing to sell them back the stuff

00:45:00.960 absolutely shameless isn't it

00:45:04.840 yeah

00:45:05.100 because they don't actually want the stuff

00:45:07.320 what they want is the money

00:45:08.840 so they'll wait for the owner to turn up

00:45:11.520 and then offer to sell them back the stock

00:45:13.200 there was a

00:45:15.240 story this morning

00:45:16.780 on the front page saying that apparently loads of the stock

00:45:19.940 that's been looted is turned up on

00:45:21.720 vinted

00:45:22.320 they don't want the stock

00:45:24.300 they just want the filthy looter

00:45:27.720 but they've now figured out why not just

00:45:29.840 because the person who actually wants this

00:45:31.700 is the shopkeeper so just go straight to the shopkeeper

00:45:33.900 and offer to sell it to him

00:45:35.280 and the thing is

00:45:37.800 if you're the shopkeeper

00:45:38.660 actually is the rational business

00:45:41.700 decision to make to buy off them because you need that stock and you'll get it cheaper from them

00:45:47.160 than you would the supplier so you're kind of forced to agree to it and buy back your own stock

00:45:51.800 that's where they've got to um yeah so far in france um at least a thousand businesses damaged

00:45:59.740 or looted um 2508 burnt or damaged uh they believe uh i don't know why they they're this specific but

00:46:08.080 12,031

00:46:10.780 vehicles burnt

00:46:11.960 that's a lot of vehicles

00:46:14.320 I mean what this is doing

00:46:18.220 it's

00:46:19.060 I mean it's not just the cost

00:46:22.560 what you're doing is you're changing

00:46:24.340 the whole risk profile

00:46:25.620 of every business going forward

00:46:28.260 how you value that risk

00:46:30.000 I was going to say when you said about this segment

00:46:34.200 I was thinking yeah the cost in just

00:46:36.260 euros

00:46:36.800 yeah what about the real cost to the fabric of society yeah yeah um the municipal pool

00:46:45.800 oh i can't say that word municipalities uh insurance costs after the 2023 virus

00:46:51.260 um so just the local government buildings 200 million euros in that um and of course

00:46:59.580 when we talk about insurance costs even if the rioters never touch your property

00:47:03.400 even if for some reason you're down the side street they don't touch your insurance costs

00:47:08.040 still double or triple report here on um i don't know why the university of malta did it but they

00:47:15.620 did but they did a report into the 2011 london riots that i talked about a moment ago um they

00:47:21.040 find that if you're anywhere near the sort of crowd that is is doing that you get five percent

00:47:26.680 off your house price straight away um so there's that so again even if you're not touched in any

00:47:33.980 way if you just live near the the type of profile of rioters yeah impacts you

00:47:40.720 this is a study i found on the impacts of the uh the rodney king riots that was that was a while

00:47:48.340 ago that was 90s wasn't it early 90s early 90s uh some guy on crack cocaine was driving at 140

00:47:55.060 miles an hour through residential areas past schools and stuff like that high on crack cocaine

00:47:59.280 absolutely wide and the police had to beat him because he was he was absolutely tripping um and

00:48:05.680 then and then la basically burnt down afterwards because like how he was resisting arrest wasn't

00:48:11.400 he yeah well he's driving away like i say through residential neighborhoods 140 miles an hour

00:48:17.320 but even when they got him stopped him oh yeah i mean he he was completely high on crack cocaine 0.93

00:48:22.520 he was going berserk and that's why they had to beat him um but he was black 0.94

00:48:27.340 and so when when la saw that it was like okay well we're going to burn the whole place down 0.99

00:48:33.380 we're going to stop random white truck drivers and throw bricks at their head 0.96

00:48:37.340 yeah that's justice uh four billion dollars in damages and that's 1992 money that's called in 0.95

00:48:45.120 the um national guard didn't they yeah i think they did yeah yeah they did indeed

00:48:51.460 um yeah so four billion it cost in 1992 money where we get roof koreans from isn't it yes

00:48:58.600 i've heard now there are some french women with giant cauldrons and with hot water 1.00

00:49:04.760 ready to throw it i've seen that yeah in france people boiling uh pouring boiling kettles out 1.00

00:49:10.560 of the window really to stop them trying to get into their flats below i mean it is like

00:49:14.560 medieval castles say it'll be boiling oil next or pitch yeah boiling pitch to stop them getting

00:49:20.380 into your block of flats um french borrowing costs wall street journal lays it out here

00:49:27.620 um yeah french borrowing costs are soaring up a bit uh the french 10 year is now at five percent

00:49:34.660 um now that doesn't mean a lot in isolation because i mean the uk i mean the uk is really

00:49:40.460 trying to drive off the financial cliff and we're at five percent as well so the more useful

00:49:44.820 comparison is is the comparison with um germany um and they're a point and a half one and a half

00:49:50.820 percent above germany which they should be because they're in the euro zone they should be pretty

00:49:54.500 much at the same level uh but no i mean if you had a decent amount of money to play with

00:50:01.300 to invest however you want wanted to would you really be looking at british or french bonds

00:50:07.140 really have everything the whole world of investment commodities equities foreign exchange

00:50:12.660 whatever bond markets you're going to be buying french guilt-edged bonds yeah you're not are you

00:50:18.360 oh why would you i can make five percent on a bond from france no no i think i think i buy

00:50:25.760 spacex or tesla um or a million and one other things almost anything else yeah yeah even

00:50:32.500 perishable goods would be yeah yeah would be better than that um but yeah so and and of all

00:50:38.480 the things i've talked about that is going to cost the most if you're running at a premium of

00:50:42.400 one and a half percent i know it doesn't sound like much but on governmental terms that's hundreds

00:50:47.480 and hundreds of millions of euros that france is going to be paying out as a premium because they

00:50:52.480 can't stop themselves from catching fire all the time i mean this is a sort of loss of confidence

00:50:56.420 in um in a state as a whole um talking about of which um you get these oecd surveys

00:51:04.440 on sort of trust in france um and before the riots yeah so here we are june 2026

00:51:11.320 so before the riots they had moderately high trust

00:51:14.700 uh in french institutions so that so 65 of the french trusted the police

00:51:19.880 that feels high to me but okay i wonder how i wonder what that percentage is going to be now

00:51:26.480 after i had all these people watching their property getting destroyed then phoning the police

00:51:30.580 and basically told, yeah, don't resist, don't try and stop them,

00:51:36.060 we're on our way, and then, of course, they never turn up.

00:51:38.120 I mean, you say that sounds high, and I know what you mean.

00:51:40.240 I get the angle you're coming from by saying that,

00:51:42.080 but in a healthy society, it should be nearly 100, shouldn't it?

00:51:46.240 It should be everybody apart from the criminals.

00:51:48.040 Right.

00:51:48.520 So it should be like 99%, 98%.

00:51:50.600 Yeah.

00:51:51.220 Yeah.

00:51:51.760 That's what it would have been in the 90s.

00:51:53.940 Civil service, 51% of French people trust that.

00:51:58.220 national government only 22 percent of people trust that and political parties only 15 percent

00:52:02.800 of french trust that is dire isn't it yeah what an indictment that is so i mean this is to your

00:52:08.520 point i didn't want to talk about just the financial cost this is societal capital that

00:52:15.020 is being eroded here it's demoralizing citizens because the if macron yields to their demands now

00:52:23.100 is going to communicate to everyone is just unless you're a vandal you are you aren't going to be

00:52:29.720 taken seriously yes and he's going to communicate to people to everyday french frenchmen and french 0.52

00:52:37.480 women that i'm not here for you i'm here for vandals i'm giving them the incentive to burn

00:52:45.160 down france because that's what i respond to but it's the societal capital is the thing that's 0.55

00:52:50.400 really valuable if you lose it so you know i remember that you know i grew up in a little

00:52:54.820 town called bognor regions by the seaside really i did i did and and um uh i i i well my dad knew

00:53:02.140 somebody who was in the police and he was oh yeah quite commonly on on a saturday night there'd be

00:53:06.440 three police officers working and that's enough to you know you might get a burglary you might

00:53:11.800 get a punch up in the on saturday night and that'd be about it and so three police officers could

00:53:16.500 easily cover it because basically everybody believed in the system people didn't try and

00:53:23.200 exploit the system and and they sort of had expectations that stuff is going to work

00:53:26.920 the really dangerous moment for society is not when you know rioters reject the state

00:53:33.240 it's it's when ordinary law-abiding people begin withdrawing their confidence in it

00:53:39.220 and just saying yeah this isn't going to work this is this is not going to help us

00:53:42.720 I do think that future historians will look back at Macron,

00:53:48.580 the Macron years, and see him as a catastrophe.

00:53:53.340 Yeah.

00:53:54.160 For France, at least.

00:53:56.040 And this all brings me on to my point.

00:53:58.840 I made it on Twitter a couple of days ago.

00:54:01.280 I got ChatGPG to produce a graph for me.

00:54:03.900 I described exactly what I wanted on it.

00:54:06.520 But what I'm saying is basically we are very early on the political S-curve.

00:54:10.240 so let's click into that i mean to see what i'm talking about can we make that go full screen i

00:54:15.600 don't know possibly not but what i'm trying to describe here is we are still very early on

00:54:23.100 on this process of right-wing politics basically everything to the left of the line is within

00:54:31.440 the post-war settlement which is all of them now in all of those parties i put on their reform

00:54:37.880 Front National, Alternative for Deutschland

00:54:40.380 and New Ideas

00:54:42.180 which is Bekele's party

00:54:43.400 everybody describes them as being 0.94

00:54:45.220 they're unbelievably right wing and fascist

00:54:48.380 and basically the Nazis and stuff like that 0.96

00:54:50.600 no all of them

00:54:52.400 are within the post-war

00:54:54.580 liberal settlement

00:54:55.400 all they're saying

00:54:58.780 is

00:54:59.140 the government and institutions

00:55:03.020 of post-war liberalism

00:55:05.100 just needs a bit of tweaking

00:55:06.320 it needs a bit of reforming

00:55:08.680 it's not

00:55:10.460 a wholesale rejection of

00:55:12.680 this entire system of government

00:55:14.840 is illegitimate and needs to go

00:55:16.460 that's when

00:55:18.460 you get into lively right wing politics

00:55:21.100 the other side of the line

00:55:22.000 the point is that when we're talking about systems of government

00:55:24.680 we can talk about

00:55:27.140 let's say

00:55:28.580 democracy, oligarchy

00:55:31.080 and monarchy, it's like how many people

00:55:32.940 rule, one, a few or many

00:55:35.180 right you you can make bad decisions with any form of government i think we're focused much

00:55:42.700 more on the structure of government than on the decision point is what is the the right decision

00:55:48.480 because theoretically when you were talking about systems of governance

00:55:53.980 it's just how many people participate in a in a process in of decision making well that's why

00:56:00.620 question is what the decision there that's why i talked about societal capital being eroded because

00:56:06.040 people are not participating in in they're not seeing it as a viable solution but essentially

00:56:11.580 what i wanted to get across with this is what i think is happening is as the public demand 0.91

00:56:15.660 for this shit to get sorted out goes up it's going to be something it's going to be demanding 0.96

00:56:21.140 something higher and higher on this s-curve and i think the problem reform have got into is they're 0.98

00:56:25.120 so low down on this they're basically saying okay we want to do um we want to do toryism

00:56:32.400 with slightly fewer tories involved they're just getting bypassed i mean i think i think the right

00:56:40.000 point for for western policies at the western politics at the moment has to be at a minimum

00:56:44.960 the bekele stance if you're going to save the existing system you need to be offering a bekele

00:56:50.560 level solution i mean much closer to what the store is offering but what happened what i'm

00:56:55.540 convinced is going to happen is that all these parties which are actually fairly milquetoast

00:56:59.860 really i know how they get described but i think i think they will feel i think they're just going

00:57:03.940 to get overtaken and something much harder is going to come along what what i'm essentially

00:57:09.980 saying right is if you are a western liberal you want to be voting through reform or front

00:57:19.020 national or afd because all of these solutions are within a system that you own

00:57:25.820 even if even if you get a different gloss on the people running it the state mechanism

00:57:33.380 the assumptions that the state have are all yours they're all post-war liberalism and if and if you

00:57:41.380 if you just keep holding back moderate solutions like this which are still within your system but

00:57:48.160 with a different gloss on it is not going to be that much further before we cross this line

00:57:52.400 and then it's going to be we reject that that entire system we want a new settlement

00:57:57.840 i do think you're right to identify the likes of reform national rally and afd as

00:58:04.560 not particularly radical they're all still a type of managed decline as far as i'm concerned yes

00:58:11.640 an exercise in reorganizing the deck chairs on the sinking titanic still basically yeah

00:58:18.100 Yeah, if you want to save Western society, the Bekele option is the minimum scenario of doing it without having to wholesale replace the state.

00:58:28.340 Imagine how mad the liberal corporate mainstream media would go in the West, in places like Britain or France, if we've got a Bekele style leader. 0.78

00:58:37.200 Because he was doing things like setting up roadblocks, going into cities, stopping every car. 0.71

00:58:42.000 Anyone with a tattoo, a gang tattoo, that's it, you're in prison.

00:58:47.060 Yeah.

00:58:47.420 Imagine how mad the Daily Mail or the Guardian would go if we had a leader.

00:58:52.580 Would you volunteer for a roadblock?

00:58:56.100 I'd oversee it from a government building.

00:58:58.160 I don't want to actually be on the street.

00:58:59.720 There's also something else I want to add to this,

00:59:01.720 is that if you have a government that is weak on crime and vandalism,

00:59:08.280 then yet people will start thinking harder.

00:59:11.520 So some comments.

00:59:13.100 Logan Pine says,

00:59:14.300 Dan, you're way too generous to think in six weeks to repair a stall after a riot is a better time horizon would be 10 at best and normally 15 or 20 if you're unlucky.

00:59:23.720 The tall order says it would probably be a bit of a stretch, but do you think Lotus Eaters get Professor Meerschaim on the podcast?

00:59:29.340 Probably not.

00:59:31.260 And Sigelstone says...

00:59:32.300 I don't think he has a track record of successful predictions.

00:59:37.180 Not saying that this is a reason to... 0.94

00:59:39.240 And he's pro-mass immigration.

00:59:41.420 Okay.

00:59:41.940 So there's that.

00:59:42.640 And Siglestone says, send Brother Stelios to France to educate the, and I can't remember what, I can't see what the rest of the comment is, but I'm sure it was good.

00:59:51.520 It has to do with the Varangian guard.

00:59:58.080 Okay, let's talk about Mars. Let's do a science and technology thing, a little bit of a white pill, hopefully.

01:00:06.680 um it's easy to feel like in this day and age in 2026 the world is going to hell in a hand basket

01:00:14.840 and in many ways it is on a downward trajectory in all sorts of ways well in europe in other ways

01:00:21.140 but in other ways um humanity is still marching on civilization is still progressing in all sorts

01:00:28.520 of other ways we're keeping it real for example i think we're living in a golden age of astronomy

01:00:33.780 and cosmology for example I really do think we are well we are we are also we're living at the

01:00:40.320 very I think at the dawn of a golden age of space exploration as well I think we're too young for

01:00:48.920 that sadly they're born just to yeah yeah I think maybe in a hundred two hundred years time we'll

01:00:54.940 be sending at least robots and things to all sorts of places in the solar system I think perhaps the

01:01:01.720 stars are a bit too far away for us humans maybe ever like four light years it takes 70 000 years

01:01:08.440 for a one-way trip bit of a drag we're probably not going to get to the stars any time soon we'll

01:01:13.880 just send you just send your sex box if we can freeze people maybe yeah no you just had robots

01:01:20.760 even that without some sort of radical new uh propulsion engine it takes 70 000 years to get

01:01:27.160 to just alpha centauri send robots with a book and the ability to delete the the memories of

01:01:32.360 the book or something i don't know but the exploration of our solar system ah well there's

01:01:37.480 something different yes we can do that maybe in a few generations we will have uh bases probably

01:01:42.840 not manned bases on mercury maybe cloud cities on venus on on some of the big asteroids like ceres

01:01:53.400 or lots of the jovian moons like ganymede or on the moons of saturn and on and on triton way

01:02:01.720 out in neptune a base a human outpost on pluto who knows but first probably the first thing is

01:02:10.840 going to mars the reality of going to mars the real real reality of it so i know i know you love

01:02:15.880 your venus i do but the the engineering of that is not with us at the moment maybe in a thousand

01:02:22.840 years it's just a balloon but still right but actually well it is a hell planet though yeah

01:02:30.360 it is if if you land yeah but yeah well why not just have a space station orbiting it why do you

01:02:35.560 need it in the cloud inside the sulfuric acid clouds well because you want to get at the

01:02:40.200 resource i won't go into it now yeah yeah we've done this before if anyone's interested there's

01:02:43.960 a bit of content with me and dan talking about that isn't there yes yeah so okay going to mars

01:02:49.080 um well the japanese along with the european space agency sent up a mission just the other day

01:02:56.760 was it yesterday even a mission to visit one of the moons of mars one of the two moons of mars

01:03:04.440 there's phobos and deimos and phobos the the god of fear deimos is dread dread and terror yes

01:03:14.460 phobos is sort of fear and panic god of battlefield route which one did they send the japanese to um

01:03:21.880 it's gone it's gone to phobos yeah phobos okay so uh demos is small really small it's only like

01:03:26.960 10 kilometers or something and it orbits both of them are tiny yeah well the other one phobos

01:03:31.620 is only like sort of something like 27 kilometers across but phobos is 22 and demos is 12

01:03:37.960 so to put it into terms that people can understand the smaller moon is about the size of swindon and

01:03:43.360 bigger moon is about the size of winchester right so they're not big moons no no they're small yeah

01:03:48.320 and phobos is uh very close to mars it's the closest moon in the whole solar system to its

01:03:55.280 so it's falling in yeah very slowly falling in because our moon gets slightly further away every

01:04:00.560 year i mean it's it's like a third of a centimeter but but phobos is gonna is actually gonna fall

01:04:07.280 into mars like fairly soon actually well there'll be it'll be thousands and thousands and thousands

01:04:12.800 of years it's 30 million years relatively 30 30 million years but that's still only 300 ice ages

01:04:17.680 in cosmic terms that's soon yeah yeah yeah so it's not a permanent feature of mars

01:04:22.720 phobos to spy on mars spy on it yeah we've already got the mro the mars reconnaissance orbiter

01:04:30.960 that spires on mars constantly um but okay so and but the thing about this which i think is

01:04:36.240 interesting is that it's a return mission it's actually a return mission so the thing goes out

01:04:41.840 gets into orbit around Phobos

01:04:44.200 it drops a little

01:04:45.760 really little rover

01:04:47.140 it's only like this big or whatever

01:04:49.220 this little rover thing

01:04:50.300 like a rhomba

01:04:51.540 yeah like a little Henry Hoover thing

01:04:54.840 and then

01:04:57.520 it sends down a lander

01:04:59.360 and then the lander picks up

01:05:01.480 a very small amount of regolith

01:05:03.440 of dust and rock

01:05:05.460 and then blasts off again

01:05:07.060 back to earth

01:05:08.180 and drops the small payload 0.75

01:05:11.000 back onto Earth in like 2030, 2031.

01:05:14.640 It lands in Australia somewhere

01:05:16.340 and then the scientists pick that up

01:05:18.420 and then they'll be able to see

01:05:20.620 whether Phobos is either

01:05:23.040 some sort of captured asteroid

01:05:25.240 or whether it's part of,

01:05:27.860 was once part of the Martian surface

01:05:29.800 that was blown into low Earth orbit

01:05:32.880 or low Mars orbit

01:05:33.840 at some point in the distant ancient past.

01:05:37.560 That'll be interesting to know.

01:05:38.360 Somebody's got money on this

01:05:39.640 and they needed to find out

01:05:40.700 you think yeah well i mean it advances our understanding of the solar system and

01:05:47.440 and the universe really doesn't it um okay so that's what this is the the mmx mission um mars

01:05:56.640 and sorry japan and isa working on that so it's in the news like all the different just to give

01:06:02.360 you an indication all the different news outlets talking about it at the moment um so i think

01:06:07.480 that's interesting fascinating in and of itself look there's a picture of the thing it's like

01:06:11.220 the lander isn't it only bringing back like five grams or something 10 grams 10 grams and how much

01:06:18.840 did this project cost i don't actually know the cost actually that's an interesting question but

01:06:23.260 but they only need particles these days scientists so 10 grams you don't need kilos and kilos of

01:06:31.280 regular but 10 grams doesn't sound like a dose of or isn't much sorry you need a dose of particles

01:06:36.880 yeah they only need a few specs really to do um their science on and the little rover is just

01:06:44.640 like a really small bit of it or is it somewhere here is that it i think maybe is it illegal to

01:06:50.160 sell particles oh sorry i'm joking okay um so it's 578 million dollars so they're basically

01:06:59.240 it's a steel

01:06:59.820 they're basically

01:07:00.720 paying 60 million

01:07:01.780 per gram

01:07:02.440 steel

01:07:04.460 some of the most

01:07:06.620 valuable material

01:07:07.640 ever to

01:07:08.640 to be on earth

01:07:10.720 what bits of

01:07:12.120 Feebus

01:07:12.900 yeah

01:07:13.460 well it might be

01:07:15.260 I mean it's

01:07:16.560 it's a remarkable

01:07:17.900 thing isn't it

01:07:18.780 yeah

01:07:18.940 truly

01:07:20.620 sort of perhaps

01:07:21.740 primordial material

01:07:23.180 from the birth

01:07:24.000 of the solar system

01:07:24.840 yeah it could be

01:07:26.180 I feel like that's

01:07:26.840 a steel

01:07:27.180 could be

01:07:27.980 um so this is obviously a a mock-up of what the little rover will look so so the rover lands even

01:07:35.740 though it weighs something like 20 25 kilograms because the gravity on phobos is so tiny

01:07:41.340 effectively weighs about 15 grams so they drop it just drop it and it will sort of bounce along a

01:07:47.840 bit almost certainly bounce along a bit because we've landed on comets before

01:07:51.920 or asteroids before

01:07:54.100 and then it will sort of unfurl itself

01:07:57.120 and do a little reconnaissance

01:07:58.320 where's the exact best spot

01:08:00.160 for the actual lander

01:08:01.980 the much bigger lander to land

01:08:03.540 and that's perhaps something

01:08:06.100 what it will look like

01:08:07.420 and so here's Phyllis Deimos and Phobos there

01:08:11.420 it's quite an enigmatic body really

01:08:14.000 like I say we don't even know

01:08:15.920 if it's captured from the outer solar system

01:08:18.420 or whether it's a piece of broken off piece

01:08:20.860 of Mars

01:08:22.780 crust itself

01:08:24.560 because that was the interesting thing they found out about our moon

01:08:27.380 is that it basically used to be part of

01:08:29.480 Earth

01:08:29.780 until some inconsiderate

01:08:33.360 other planet just smashed into us and then it's like

01:08:35.440 oh we've got a moon now

01:08:36.260 at some point in the early history of the Earth

01:08:39.100 there was another

01:08:40.500 planetary sized body

01:08:42.460 about the size of Mars

01:08:45.500 crashed into us

01:08:46.400 and then that just put up into our orbit

01:08:49.720 a huge amount of material which over millions of years coalesced into our moon.

01:08:54.200 They think maybe that's what our moon is.

01:08:55.720 Did it fuse with Earth or did it just...

01:08:58.200 Well a big chunk of it would have remained on Earth, but a big chunk of it became our moon, basically.

01:09:06.760 Yeah, it's an interesting body, and you can see this massive crater, quite massive crater,

01:09:11.320 what is it called, the Stickley Crater?

01:09:13.400 um how how a body like phobos could endure such a massive impact and not be blown entirely apart

01:09:20.760 is another interesting thing and i haven't been i haven't talked about i'm not going to talk about

01:09:25.400 here other than to mention now that there's some talk of a monolith on phobos that'd be cool

01:09:34.460 who put that there buzz aldrin literally said somebody put that there

01:09:39.860 i think it's just a boulder but anyway anyway look who's had a space program that could do that

01:09:48.040 it's like the death star many places well he's saying it's probably like an ancient

01:09:53.160 what if they get to the monolith suggesting what if they get to the monolith and it's got like

01:09:58.600 mid-century german iconography on it how are you going to report on that

01:10:02.800 It's like a Death Star.

01:10:06.800 Yeah, there's an element of the Death Star to it.

01:10:10.800 Yeah, there's another couple of pictures.

01:10:14.800 I think you can see this giant impact where

01:10:18.800 all the striations from where boulders...

01:10:22.800 Yeah, so...

01:10:26.800 as well as just the interesting nature of the first

01:10:30.800 ever humanity's first ever round trip to the mars system and back again and the science that that

01:10:37.940 will bring also um part of uh the wider one day hopefully manned mars mission so the reality of

01:10:48.920 going to mars the real real reality of that putting human boots on mars um is that it it would

01:10:57.020 be sort of a campaign of many things it's not like a one single shot like the apollo missions

01:11:01.920 where you send if you believe those are real where you send one one rocket full of with a few guys

01:11:10.400 in it or gals and um and perhaps it's really quite big it's like starship size and there's some sort

01:11:17.520 of small habitat there and you go to mars in one shot and then you land and you stay there probably

01:11:23.420 for something like 18 months before the planets align again and you can come back that's just not

01:11:28.020 how it's going to work so what you're saying is the film the marshal and matt damon don't do it

01:11:32.000 like that yeah don't just send like a rocket where if you where if your rocket like forgets you

01:11:37.700 because they're busy and they take off and you're just left there trying to grow potatoes in poo

01:11:41.920 yeah don't don't do it like that i think i think elon is talking about i mean they they would be

01:11:47.620 like looking to drop hundreds of tons of stuff before the first human turns up so there's like

01:11:52.220 loads of supplies there so that's the thing yeah the idea of doing a one-shot apollo mission style

01:11:58.300 thing is just not realistic because apart from anything else you know the the the mars goes

01:12:03.500 around the sun and the earth goes around the sun much quicker so quite a lot of the time we might

01:12:08.940 be on the opposite side of the sun to each other you have to wait for the right alignment so so in

01:12:14.140 other words the net result of all of that is that you would have to stay on mars for something like

01:12:18.300 18 months so it's a few months three or four years they line up well it it all depends yeah um but

01:12:26.220 nonetheless it takes months to get there because it's something like between 34 38 million miles

01:12:30.940 away the moon is only a quarter of a million miles away one light second away whereas whereas mars is

01:12:37.820 something like four to eight light minutes away yeah sometimes as many as much as 24 light minutes

01:12:45.020 away so the latency on your gaming rig if you're into first person shooters is going to be dreadful

01:12:49.500 yeah it's terrible yeah your ping is not going to be very good yeah um that's one of the key things

01:12:54.620 about it is that um doing an apollo style mission you've got a lag of one second so it's not really

01:13:01.740 a problem operationally but if you were to go to mars you can't really rely on endless communication

01:13:08.620 with earth because it may be it may well be half an hour 40 minutes 45 minutes for a one two way

01:13:15.800 bit of communication you would need sort of an autonomous human presence in the martian system

01:13:21.540 yeah really it'd be like talking to a woman on earth where you get these really long delays

01:13:26.860 before you get your question answered it'll be like that which is not what you want when you're 0.81

01:13:32.360 trying to do flight traffic control um so the reality of going to mars may well be that we

01:13:39.380 need much much bigger low earth orbit stations where mr musk's elon elon ships can refuel maybe

01:13:49.320 even a space station around our moon a lunar um a lunar station and maybe even a permanent

01:13:58.200 some sort of permanent station on the moon our moon and then you would really want ideally

01:14:05.160 lots of people are saying you really want some sort of base in the martian system which isn't

01:14:11.540 actually on the surface of mars because for lots of different reasons particularly dust storms

01:14:16.560 now dust storms on mars are a real a real thing a real headache um sometimes they're actually sort

01:14:24.320 of planetary in scale yep so what you really need is somewhere that's safe away from the

01:14:30.920 the martian weather um where you can some sort of depot basically some sort of warehouse are you

01:14:38.260 about to break out the space elevator idea oh no well phobos isn't a geo uh what is it when you're

01:14:46.200 geosynchronous it flies it goes really fast it goes it moves faster around mars than our moon

01:14:52.640 moves around the earth it orbits every seven eight hours every seven hours 40 minutes it does a full

01:14:59.440 lap of mars it orbits mars like three times a day and a very low altitude relatively low altitude

01:15:06.480 3 700 miles it's really close to the surface of mars moving very very quickly i have heard this

01:15:12.000 idea i'm going to look it up while you're going on what the space elevator yeah we need a geosynchronous

01:15:17.360 object in space that stays hovers effectively above the same spot on the surface that's what

01:15:23.200 you need well phobos isn't doing that i have heard the idea i'm going to find out what the idea of a

01:15:28.720 space elevator yeah using one of the moons you'd have to you'd have to arrest phobos's orbit around

01:15:35.860 mars well you you carry on and i'll look it up okay okay so use phobos as um a staging post

01:15:44.080 because one of the most difficult things of getting to Mars

01:15:46.860 is obviously getting out of Earth's gravity.

01:15:49.560 That's the hardest thing.

01:15:50.220 That's why you'd need loads of refuelling stations,

01:15:52.400 either in low Earth orbit, in our lunar orbit,

01:15:55.400 or whatever, loads of them.

01:15:57.260 And then the other hardest bit is landing it on Mars

01:16:00.460 because it hasn't really got much atmosphere.

01:16:02.720 It's got like 1% the atmosphere of Earth.

01:16:05.420 And so you can't use the atmosphere to slow down very much at all.

01:16:08.960 It's very, very hard to slow down enough when you get to Mars.

01:16:12.420 loads and loads of the early Mars missions in like the 60s and 70s loads of them failed

01:16:17.360 effectively crash landed into Mars because it's very very difficult to slow down it really is

01:16:22.740 but if you can get into orbit around Phobos land on Phobos make a base there and anyway the the

01:16:29.680 mission sort of infrastructure in order to continuously if we're going to make any sort

01:16:37.680 of colony on Mars you need the ability to sort of continuously go back there

01:16:43.300 like having a man presence on the moon it's one thing to do a one-time shot just

01:16:48.000 say you've done it to show that you're capable of doing it if you're actually

01:16:51.540 gonna have any sort of long-term presence what you would really want is

01:16:55.500 some sort of a depot you could say some sort of refuge some somewhere where you

01:17:01.380 can repair all the shielding. Do an MOT. Yeah, yeah, to repair things without the dust storms.

01:17:14.820 To practice, to really practice what it's like to truly work and engineer things in very,

01:17:22.740 very low gravity. There's all sorts of reasons why a base on Phobos would be necessary.

01:17:31.380 So I looked it up.

01:17:32.680 I do remember it correctly.

01:17:34.740 So, yeah, you can do the space elevator thing,

01:17:37.140 and NASA has studied it, and they've got proposals for it,

01:17:40.640 but rather than plugging the other end into Mars,

01:17:43.380 you basically just leave it dangling in the upper atmosphere.

01:17:45.640 And remember, the atmosphere is a lot less thick than on Earth.

01:17:48.120 So you basically run a cable down from Phobos

01:17:50.640 down to the upper atmosphere of Mars,

01:17:53.440 and that way you just have an elevator lift.

01:17:56.720 No, I'm serious.

01:17:57.680 This is 100% serious.

01:17:59.460 I'll show you the stuff in a minute.

01:18:00.620 The thing is, Phobos is moving in relation to the surface of Mars

01:18:03.620 at thousands of miles per hour, two kilometres a second.

01:18:06.740 What are you talking about, Dan?

01:18:07.720 No, that's what I said.

01:18:08.660 You don't plug the other end into Mars.

01:18:10.620 Because you're thinking of where you plug it into the surface

01:18:13.080 and you go straight from the surface.

01:18:14.720 What you do is you basically take your flight up to upper atmosphere levels

01:18:19.740 and then you attach to the platform at the bottom end

01:18:23.840 and then you just go up the lift the rest of the way.

01:18:25.520 It's a lot easier.

01:18:26.300 It saves you a lot of energy.

01:18:27.500 Look, there we go.

01:18:28.020 you'd have to look nasa website space colonization using space elevators from phobos

01:18:34.080 is a real thing okay you need craft that fly at two kilometers a second before you can even dock

01:18:40.920 with the bottom of the well the tether i'm going to assume that nasa has thought of that yeah well

01:18:46.620 fair enough fair enough um um so the idea that if you're going yeah as you said before there's

01:18:54.880 human boots on mars you will need uh habitation you'll need you'll need quite a lot of material

01:19:01.800 already on the surface functioning properly it doesn't seem all that realistic emergency supplies

01:19:08.660 mars bars that sort of thing yeah endless lots and lots of contingencies um and phobos is probably

01:19:16.300 going to be part of that story um it seems and that you only send people down actual humans

01:19:23.900 to the surface of Mars

01:19:25.380 really when you absolutely need to.

01:19:28.440 Most of it's done remotely.

01:19:30.000 Most of it's done by robots.

01:19:31.500 It's more hospitable.

01:19:33.460 Yeah, it is, yeah.

01:19:34.060 Much more, actually.

01:19:35.860 Yeah.

01:19:36.760 The Martian surface is, yeah,

01:19:39.240 less hospitable than a rock

01:19:43.500 without any atmosphere.

01:19:45.360 Yeah, it's much, much more dangerous

01:19:46.680 on the surface of Mars

01:19:47.920 than that, incredibly.

01:19:50.800 So, OK, perhaps, just perhaps,

01:19:53.900 Phobos will be part of the big part, play a big part in the real life engineering and logistics, the logistics of actually putting boots on Mars.

01:20:04.340 And anyway, this MMX mission is just all part of that. It's all part of that story.

01:20:10.960 Practicing, really, practicing landing on Phobos, getting more and more science about Phobos, understanding Phobos as much as possible.

01:20:21.840 so um yeah all part of the the bigger story i do fear as i learn more and more about it over the

01:20:30.080 years i do fear that it might be out of our generation we might be old and dead by the time

01:20:36.260 human boots actually land on mars despite some of the more optimistic um uh suggestions that

01:20:42.380 we can get there in 20 the 2030s or something i don't i feel like i'm the real reality of it will

01:20:49.020 be probably 100 years from now maybe 200 i'm holding out for venus i'm just not going to die

01:20:53.860 until they do that really yeah you're going to insist that you don't die well i wouldn't be

01:20:58.520 loads of loads of uh blood transfusions from the young people yes like like my poor people in

01:21:04.940 kirk douglas brazil or france or something i do think that i do think that is like a thousand

01:21:10.180 years or ten thousand years from now um venus is actually easier not in engineering terms it's not

01:21:17.360 it is just it's just a balloon you just float it's more it is so much more than that it's

01:21:25.160 so insanely much more than that okay all right anyway we come back to that one yeah maybe we

01:21:29.600 should redo redo that conversation with yes we'll both bring receipts yes yes i'm up for that yeah

01:21:36.200 okay okay so japan and the european space agency are doing incredible things in in space that is

01:21:43.180 if you're not in the all-things-space-are-faking-gay camp. 0.92

01:21:48.740 Meanwhile, Elon Musk himself is doing flying rocket cars. 0.92

01:21:56.360 This isn't AI.

01:21:58.120 That's a real Tesla car driving upside down and then doing that.

01:22:03.840 That's not AI.

01:22:05.140 That really happened.

01:22:06.100 make sure there's no audio on this um there's no audio just we can just leave this on while

01:22:15.300 we're watching that is proper clever that is

01:22:19.780 that's that thing do you know what it's 0 to 60 is like one second or something it's 0.82 seconds

01:22:28.240 from 0 to 60 that produces three and a half g acceleration on it so you know i've got a strong

01:22:35.200 neck i've got a tesla but i've got a like a long i did i bought a sensible version the long range

01:22:40.160 version right and when you really put your foot down you can feel it and it gives it gives you

01:22:44.320 it gives me half a g which you can feel right and i've driven a performance version of the model 3

01:22:50.400 and that gives you just under a g like 0.9 g and i've test driven that and you can you can really

01:22:56.640 feel it in your chest like the extra weight but can you imagine having a road car where you put

01:23:01.920 put your foot down and you feel three and a half times heavier well 0 to 16 under a second is sort

01:23:08.000 of dragster territory isn't it oh it's faster than that still yeah i'll find this this this is

01:23:15.980 remarkable when i first saw that i was like oh that's ai isn't it no oh no wait no that's real

01:23:21.120 that's actually real so the japanese are going to mars on phobos the americans are making rocket

01:23:29.640 cars meanwhile meanwhile we can't put a uh a fuel cap on a hawk t2 and it crashes out of the sky

01:23:39.580 well i mean that demands all sorts of competence doesn't it have to have a minimum amount of

01:23:45.400 competence wouldn't you to make sure you put the fuel cap back on a fast jet so even my wife puts

01:23:51.680 the fuel cap back on her car after filling up but if you're like ground crew for the raf you've just

01:23:58.600 You've just put in all the jet fuel, like whatever it is,

01:24:01.460 like 90 grand's worth of jet fuel for the hour-long flight

01:24:05.380 that your plane's about to do,

01:24:06.860 and then you can't be bothered to screw the little cat back in

01:24:09.420 and close with a little magnet.

01:24:12.820 Yeah, on there, a statement from someone at the RAF said,

01:24:16.220 it's a pretty poor indication of standards, end quote.

01:24:20.180 Yeah, a little bit.

01:24:23.040 Yes.

01:24:25.480 OK, so that's a segment.

01:24:27.480 There you go.

01:24:28.600 we're going to phobos humanity is going to phobos elon's got rocket cars and we can't really fly

01:24:35.880 a training sortie because we can't put the fuel cap back on the plastic cups

01:24:41.540 all right there you go that's about all my time isn't it

01:24:48.780 right all right so a few um a few of the old super chats where should i start i'll just start

01:24:56.160 the top and read a few sigil stone 17 says so for settling on mars what's the plan for dealing

01:25:01.220 with the void dragon sleeping under the planet's surface well is that a reference to a game or

01:25:07.300 something i don't know what you're talking about the void dragon well elon is clearly neof so he

01:25:12.120 can just deal with it like he does in the future he's clearly what sorry neof what's that who's

01:25:16.880 that that's the original name for the emperor in the 40k universe yeah oh right okay he hasn't

01:25:24.820 taken on that name so i'm going with his old name think he'll become king of mars or no no sorry

01:25:30.120 emperor emperor of mars no omnisoyer omnisoyer um okay uh rigid sock for badger says the reality

01:25:44.260 of going to mars is dot dot dot we don't go to venus instead no dust storms the man after your

01:25:50.280 hot yeah yeah there is sulfuric acid and temperatures and pressures which melt lead

01:25:57.940 there is that though yeah that's why you that's why you have a balloon and you don't go down to

01:26:02.820 the surface you do this is the key concept why not just have an orbiting space station why would

01:26:07.940 you why would you because because why how does that make any sense venus is rich in a whole

01:26:13.860 bunch of stuff that you actually want for space colonization it's a massive massive fuel dump

01:26:20.140 as well as giving you all the

01:26:22.200 there's all sorts of hydrocarbons

01:26:24.760 and various other things incredibly valuable

01:26:26.820 that you want from Venus

01:26:28.280 So you send robots down

01:26:30.880 to it? No, you live in your club where you can

01:26:32.820 have robots, you might want a robot

01:26:34.420 You want humans to go down to the surface? No I don't want humans to go

01:26:36.580 I don't want anyone to go down to the surface

01:26:37.960 So you're sending robots down to the surface? Well a lot you can extract

01:26:40.700 from the atmosphere and other stuff you can sort of scoop

01:26:42.720 up, you can send a robot if you like

01:26:44.260 or just do one of those things on the

01:26:46.720 pier where the little arm goes down

01:26:48.420 scoops it up 0.90

01:26:50.600 comes up

01:26:51.160 something like that

01:26:52.400 floating is

01:26:56.100 like a perfectly

01:26:57.120 standard thing

01:26:58.020 we do a segment

01:27:00.300 on it

01:27:00.600 I'm going to do

01:27:01.280 a segment on it

01:27:02.020 it's pie in the sky

01:27:03.100 nonsense Daniel

01:27:03.800 floating is just

01:27:05.460 it's just a normal

01:27:06.520 thing

01:27:07.000 we all float

01:27:10.280 down here

01:27:10.820 yeah

01:27:11.160 alright

01:27:11.540 let's have a video

01:27:13.360 of a baby shall we

01:27:14.100 alright

01:27:14.320 I don't know what

01:27:16.340 black bills there have

01:27:17.280 been this week

01:27:18.020 because I've been too busy to pay attention, but here's a white pill, my first-born son, here's to five more.

01:27:25.020 Congratulations.

01:27:27.020 Well done.

01:27:28.020 Congratulations.

01:27:29.020 Well done indeed, sir.

01:27:34.020 Here are the Spokane Upper Falls on the Spokane River here in Spokane, Washington.

01:27:42.020 a very nice view this is uh the site of the 1974 world's fair here

01:27:51.380 converted into a park from what used to be a railroad rail yard

01:27:59.700 thanks tim that's like a twin peaks country right yeah the twin peaks up in washington state wasn't

01:28:05.460 it yeah isn't france and italy happening reminds me of something something about jd vance going to

01:28:14.580 munich telling these eurocrats you know you need to start deporting people and i remember the how

01:28:21.060 they all start crying and seething at the mere idea about that now you may say america we don't

01:28:30.740 don't really care about you but we do it's just that you know the eurocrats don't really uh

01:28:35.600 listen to us when we say stop it we need peter purr to basically replace ursula von der leyen

01:28:44.400 the leadership of the eu commission was that supposed to be like the inner monologue of the

01:28:50.420 cat that he's sort of narrating there no i don't understand that was it oh that might yeah maybe

01:28:55.460 I don't know if he was, if that was...

01:28:57.220 Should I go read some comments?

01:28:59.160 The common ones...

01:28:59.840 No, no, no, okay.

01:29:01.380 Greg Kuba.

01:29:02.480 ...wealth of sovereign systems,

01:29:05.400 a mighty alliance of the five great races in the galaxy.

01:29:09.560 The Midians, the Earthans, the Aquilans,

01:29:14.460 the Rhaenians and the Evelyns.

01:29:19.580 Together they maintain peace for their respective realms

01:29:22.740 and the annexed systems under their stewardship.

01:29:27.100 An alliance unbroken for thousands of years.

01:29:35.320 What was that?

01:29:38.140 That was the meridians of the Cadians and the...

01:29:42.700 Is that Coop's own sci-fi universe, is it?

01:29:47.180 Is that what that was?

01:29:47.780 Might be.

01:29:48.300 That's what I was asking.

01:29:49.920 Is that Calgary?

01:29:50.740 and here we are again in niagara falls new york there in the distance you can see the skyline

01:29:57.620 tower there's a restaurant up there that gives you a pretty good view of the falls

01:30:03.060 that's canadian side which is much more fun than the u.s

01:30:10.500 What was that? Was that Toronto, was it?

01:30:16.780 Niagara.

01:30:17.880 Upstate New York, is it?

01:30:20.300 Oh, I've seen Niagara from the Canadian side.

01:30:22.080 It's a much better view than the American side.

01:30:25.120 Americans, you just get a river and it's like, oh no, the river's stopped.

01:30:28.660 The Canadian side, you see the... it's brilliant.

01:30:31.080 I'd quite like to see that. I'd quite like to visit it.

01:30:32.900 You say you have visited it?

01:30:34.080 Yes.

01:30:34.380 All right.

01:30:35.240 Yeah, I've been there.

01:30:36.520 Is this another one?

01:30:37.320 i came across an advert by the british transport police federation and i was blown away by how

01:30:41.680 blatant the propaganda is a female officer intervenes in an altercation which is of course

01:30:45.680 between two white men and she's punched in the face she receives help from her ethnic colleague

01:30:49.640 who says nothing as she takes charge of the next call next we see a mixed race girl being taken to

01:30:53.800 fight her mum and there's a deliberate editing choice as the camera cuts from the girl's hand

01:30:56.940 being held to white woman's hands being cuffed and this woman turns and spits at the female officer

01:31:01.060 the only positive representation of a white man in this advert is the suicide victim because 0.72

01:31:04.980 immediately after that there's a clear show of a riot and all those present are white this is why 0.77

01:31:09.220 people don't trust institutions i demand a better class of propaganda yeah you say that but the only

01:31:15.740 way that white actors can still get work is by playing the villain on propaganda so there's that

01:31:22.540 in light of the conversation about africa versus europe um there was a book series about an alien

01:31:31.220 invasion in the middle of world war ii called world war series that um kind of covers this

01:31:37.780 whole topic the biggest issues the aliens ran into is that we literally have more tanks and

01:31:43.520 aircraft and ability to replace them then they have ammunition to actually knock them out it

01:31:49.260 gets so bad that they're literally rationing their uh tank shells and have to get officer

01:31:53.320 approval to go over a certain limit per battle interesting interesting idea i've not heard of

01:32:01.400 that series before sounds all right actually okay well that was good that quite a lot of

01:32:08.360 videos today actually so we might not have time for many well let's do one comment each i mean

01:32:13.400 why not all right okay i'll do two because they're really fast so michael drabel this says in the

01:32:18.200 the mortal words of aoc how many is a brazilian and uh economic zone 17 populism is popular things

01:32:27.680 when your enemy does them and lord inquisitor hector acts lula's cortisol is spiking

01:32:33.080 paul brown says i was about 250 meters away from that croydon furniture shop watching it burn from

01:32:40.420 my balcony we had a police line guarding our block because there were disabled people inside

01:32:45.800 who'd struggled to get out if it was burnt

01:32:47.620 I left Croydon not long after

01:32:49.820 I am not surprised that you did

01:32:51.800 sir

01:32:52.060 okay

01:32:55.820 I've got what have I got here

01:32:57.260 Derek

01:32:59.340 Derek Power says once

01:33:01.780 again Bo is from Mars Dan is

01:33:03.840 from Venus yeah

01:33:05.020 like men are from Mars 1.00

01:33:07.680 the god of war women

01:33:09.560 Venus and the god of love I'm going to 0.99

01:33:11.720 where the women are the floating 0.99

01:33:13.540 okay well you're getting dust stormed i'm going to be up in the dancing bars of

01:33:19.080 venus and lancelot says the first thing we build on mars is a bar

01:33:25.540 that's what he said so you can get a drink i suppose it's not a bad idea i think it's a pun

01:33:31.540 on the mars bar oh yeah that makes more sense yeah okay excellent um oh derrick power says

01:33:39.840 stop explaining the joke oh well i've done it now disregard the explanation then all right okay um

01:33:46.940 goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 20, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1531

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