00:05:49.280Okay, so they had several debates and I don't understand Portuguese.
00:05:55.160I don't know how good the subtitles were,
00:05:58.600But I will say that the body language showed clearly a very tired, exhausted and angry and resentful Lula and a calm, collected and occasionally joyous and humorous Bolsonaro Jr.
00:06:14.420And I have two clips here. He says here at some point that we're talking about security.
00:06:21.260Bolsonaro Jr. said, Lula, can you explain why 73 percent of prison inmates voted for you?
00:06:26.620lula says what i want is for a hundred percent of her for me even your father now what i want both
00:06:31.580lula and bolsonaro jr to explain to me is why where the hell do prison inmates vote just that's
00:06:39.280one thing i would like both we are speaking about brazil so harry that's going to be that's just
00:06:45.000going to be my stock answer for every bizarre question that you may have about the country
00:06:49.300as well it is brazil yeah this is this is your haiti segment is not going to be much better no
00:06:54.240this is south america south and central america we're talking about this is this is the um harry
00:06:59.340there are good people this is the if god created a gigantic online server like south and central
00:07:05.940america is the pvp zone right that's that's what we're talking about right here okay right so here
00:07:13.120lula at one point completely lost his temper and he threatened flavio bolsonaro with legal action
00:07:19.680Now, that's not particularly unprecedented. Both Lula was in prison for about a year, I think between 2018 and 2019. And also Jair Bolsonaro is under house arrest.
00:07:32.240i mean how else do you get on the electoral ballot down there thank you very much harry right
00:07:37.980here um some as the word um according to the telegraph author of the previous article as he
00:07:48.520said i quote him something completely extraordinary would require would be required for lula to turn
00:07:55.320this and several events happened and let's see what to make of them at some point lula
00:08:05.000said that they would ask for a two-hour voting extension so the voting deadline was 5 p.m
00:08:14.520and he asked for it just a few moments before the deadline expired he asked for it to be
00:08:21.960postponed for two hours citing transportation issues and weather conditions
00:08:31.000things that are completely for some reason the buses were uh operating on a 60 capacity
00:08:38.200and no one had thought uh lula who is the incumbent president hadn't thought to apparently
00:08:46.200to tell the best drivers well maybe today you have to be 100 capacity and i'll give you tomorrow as
00:08:53.960a work for i'll just give it to you i'll give you a free day uh he he didn't think of it in advance
00:09:00.840apparently is that too much to ask for from an incumbent president understand the transport
00:09:07.880system in a country where he's been president for four to four three consecutive four three
00:09:11.560for three terms and now a fourth yes no i can read harry's mind we are talking about brazil i
00:09:17.380mean he was probably taking a nap right so lula and as they're saying lula has asked to postpone
00:09:22.080nothing wrong with a midday nap i'm not saying i'm not saying that perfectly reasonable mediterranean
00:09:28.140habit i respect the stelius and i are going to gang up on you on this no i respect the siesta
00:09:33.040i wish i was having one right now yeah it makes two of us right so uh flavio bolsonaro contests
00:09:41.180the results and he said they didn't postpone the election they they continued voting for another
00:09:48.700two hours yes okay fair enough from 5 p.m to 7 p.m okay and then we also it's interesting and i'll
00:09:56.960say this uh you know especially about californians is like more than 100 million people voted and
00:10:04.480they counted the results whereas california can get lost in counting for for weeks yes occasionally
00:10:12.220months i don't know if actually they've stopped counting if they've ever stopped they're still
00:10:17.740going they're rounding it back around for the midterms come november that's all so this is a
00:10:24.160reuters article from brazil brazil heads back to the future as flavia bolsonaro refuses to
00:10:29.940recognize lula win brazilian right-wing senator flavia bolsonaro has followed his imprisoned
00:10:35.480father's lead by refusing to concede defeat to leftist president lula de silva who won a historic
00:10:41.520fourth term in sunday's presidential election so reuters doesn't um question what happened it's it
00:10:49.020is an interest in at least asking whether the process was violated or not right they
00:10:56.500straightforwardly went and said that this is a win and they are saying here Lula won 51.8 percent
00:11:04.720and Flavio Bolsonaro got 48.2 percent now do you notice something the number of votes for
00:11:15.280before lula had around 54 53.9 let's say let's up him up a bit now 64.3 million right so according
00:11:28.240to this narrative he managed to mobilize more than um 10 and a half million people to vote for him
00:11:36.180right and only uh less than four million people went to vote for bolsonaro about
00:11:41.8803.5 million extra voters went to vote for bolsonaro now um one thing to say is that and this
00:11:51.340was what in the space of the two hours for extra counting not in the space of the three the two
00:11:56.880elections relative to the first round of the elections what they got right so bolsonaro says
00:12:04.600that he won't accept the result and he says that this has never happened in the history of brazil
00:12:10.920and he says that this was a last-minute decision by Lula's former personal lawyer
00:12:15.940and current Supreme Court Justice, Cristiano Zanin, to extend voting by two hours.
00:12:21.180We are going to talk about this justice and his relationship to Lula.
00:12:28.780In fact, I have several pieces of information to share with you.
00:12:33.660But before we talk about this, let us look at who is happy
00:12:37.980because you can always tell a lot about a candidate based on who is happy or not happy about them so
00:12:45.660pedro sanchez is particularly happy about the election of lula says what has happened in brazil
00:12:55.020will happen in spain that's a threat the comeback of global progressivism has just begun
00:13:19.340Emmanuel Macron, my heartfelt congratulations for Lula on his re-election.
00:13:24.340He says France and Brazil have much to build together, and he says that in face of the great challenges of their time,
00:13:30.340let us strengthen our strategic partnership and bring to life the friendship between our two
00:13:35.220countries in service of a more just world. Right. Alex Soros. Lula, lula, lula. He felt compelled
00:13:44.800to say three times for one reason. I have no idea why. They say it's the magic number in rhetoric.
00:13:49.720It sort of gets the message across, creates a habit in the mind of being receptive to a particular
00:13:55.100name or slogan says congrats to brazil for standing up against authoritarianism once again
00:14:02.060now what is interesting is that in today's world you can blatantly violate the electoral process
00:14:09.820and the democratic institutions you can call for your political opponents to get to be jailed you
00:14:15.580can censor whoever you want and get away with it so long as as you say you're a leftist if you're
00:14:21.900a leftist you can basically have a blank check to do everything because everything you do is going
00:14:27.580to be baptized as reaction against tyranny and yeah the authoritarianism is not authoritarianism
00:14:35.260when we do it it's anti-authoritarianism it's like mal was talking about anti-imperialism
00:14:40.060when we do it it's anti-imperialism well it was correct me if i'm wrong was alex soros the one
00:14:45.260who was hanging out with curtis yarvin uh probably thanks because i remember curtis
00:14:51.300yarvin hanging out with one of the sororses right i would i would assume it wasn't it wasn't george
00:14:56.820uh so alex soros seems to be able to straddle different sides of the political aisle dependent
00:15:04.620on what seems to be within his interests in in in the place he's examining i'm i'm sure that as a
00:15:11.960businessman he will try to find seek no favorable terms from so governments from both sides but
00:15:19.420especially alex soros has definitely gone full globalist i don't think he has ever expressed
00:15:25.800support for opposite people who oppose globalism but i'm sure that when it comes to business
00:15:32.820i mean here he has business across the world so yavin's not much of a businessman he's explicitly
00:15:38.500just a political guy well okay so trump says that an international investigation must take
00:15:44.680place on the election in brazil on the communist lula regime and he says according to trump
00:15:51.240flavio bolsonaro just like his father had the election stolen from him after winning the first
00:15:55.960round and highly favored in the second round trump was followed by also by um javier mille
00:16:04.340in Argentina, who had 100% sided with Flavio Bolsonaro.
00:16:11.160They're also saying that it's impossible for the U.S. to recognize the result of elections in Brazil as it occurred.
00:16:18.600So there is considerable skepticism from the anti-Lula camp and narrative.
00:16:24.340So this is a graph that shows roughly the mobility of the result that was announced.
00:16:31.260there was a massive abstention in the first round it was 33.5 million then it was
00:16:38.06030.5 million so three million people um basically uh three more million people voted out of these
00:16:47.900three million three and a half million almost three million went to lula half a million went
00:16:54.720to bolsonaro now one of the reasons why people are skeptical of this narrative or some people
00:17:01.000the people who are skeptical of this narrative is to say the following that it's very weird that
00:17:07.880you can have someone lose the first round so much and proceed to um to um inspire such a mobilization
00:17:18.440on the second round simply based on a fear campaign because lula was when it came to
00:17:24.840economics he started finding himself in the sort of position of having to tell his people
00:17:30.600be patient the economy in the long run or mid to long run is going to recover which isn't what the
00:17:37.880average leftist voter wants to hear about next you have the fear campaign where bolsonaro was
00:17:43.800supposed to be the antichrist according to lula and the someone who would try to bring a next
00:17:50.360dictatorship in in uh in brazil now you could say that people who actually fell for that narrative
00:17:59.880would have and actually believe that would have voted for lula in the first round
00:18:04.920and also bolsonaro had the momentum the younger generation seems to be um very much siding with
00:18:12.440bolsonaro they're saying that we we have a future uh to to care about we don't want to constantly
00:18:19.880listen about the the scaremongering about the 20-year in the 60s and eight between the 60s and
00:18:26.04080s but anyway these are the this is the voter mobility of the results that were announced
00:18:33.680to present um steel man for you know what uh what this graph is representing i don't see it entirely
00:18:40.680out of the realm of possibility that it was simply a case of strategic voting we have in many european
00:18:46.880countries examples of the same thing happening as a form of cordon sanitaire against the threat of
00:18:52.580the far right so we have other examples elsewhere if those if all of these elections to be taken to
00:18:58.180be legitimate that yes people will go out and strategically vote for the party that they weren't
00:19:05.000as favorable for just to keep the other guy out it could be the case definitely the other side of
00:19:10.100the narrative says that the candidates that were that lost in the first round weren't exactly pro
00:19:17.420lula and they didn't treat bolsonaro as in the way that you know other establishment here in
00:19:24.000parties treat in europe treat for instance so it'd be strange to see so many people voting for those
00:19:29.720according to the pro bolsonaro narrative yes according to the pro bolsonaro narrative
00:19:34.280right here we have this from cnn brazil.com 213 cities that chose flavia bolsonaro in the first
00:19:41.920round gave victory to lula in the second and they're saying minas gerais the decisive state
00:19:49.840in the election has the largest number of municipality turned around by the vote the
00:19:54.480workers party candidate rio de janeiro and macapa are among the municipality that changed the winners
00:20:01.840so that's a that's a relatively big change wouldn't you say 213 cities voted for flavio
00:20:11.360bolsonaro in the first round then all of them all of those 213 cities voted for lula's workers
00:20:19.040party in the second round that's uh you know the and the results were uh the following as i said
00:20:27.12051.8 to lula and uh 48.2 for flavio bolsonaro now there was a an interesting thing to notice here
00:20:38.800uh polymarket bet on a bolsonaro victory and when the uh the change was announced
00:20:48.400this was completely changed so people who were betting on polymarket they instantly interpreted
00:20:55.920the sign of the extension as a sort of interference that would hand lula the victory
00:21:03.920and we have an interesting um issue here we have cristiano zanin ordering and authorizing the
00:21:14.400request of lula there was a two-hour extension of brazil runner voting after transport problems
00:21:20.640okay right so stf judge cristiano zanin extended voting by two hours nationwide due to transportation
00:21:32.720problems the extension followed requests from both lula and bolsonaro campaign citing bus
00:21:39.120transportation issues that's according to news court um to the news court outlet and it's
00:21:47.280interesting here to see uh what is the relationship between christiana zanin and lula right um
00:21:56.720christiana zanin isn't someone who doesn't know lula and doesn't have a past with lula that's him
00:22:02.800over here right so let me just tell you in a nutshell lula was allegedly involved in a massive
00:22:12.560scandal it's not the only scandal he has been accused of being involved in but operation car
00:22:18.300wash the so-called lava jato one was a corruption investigation that he was accused of being
00:22:26.420involved in who was his defense attorney in 2013 back in 2013 this guy yes right so he represented
00:22:36.180lula through the high profile operation car wash corruption investigations and subsequent
00:22:41.940imprisonment in 2018. So Lula was imprisoned in 2018, and Cristiano Zanin was his main defense
00:22:50.140attorney. In 2021, Zanin argued the successful habeas corpus petitions before the federal
00:22:57.480Supreme Court that annulled Lula's criminal convictions, fully restoring Lula's political
00:23:03.900rights and enabling him to run for president again. Is that where it stops? No. Then he became
00:23:11.780campaign advisor and had a prominent cabinet role during lula's 2022 presidential campaign
00:23:18.500zanin worked as a top legal strategist following lula's victory zanin served in the judicial
00:23:24.600security transition team for the incoming administration
00:23:28.500in june 2023 during his third presidential term lula nominated christiano zanin to the federal
00:23:39.060supreme court to fill a seat vacated by retiring justice ricardo lawandowski following approval by
00:23:47.380the senate sanin was sworn in as a supreme court justice in august 2023 harry what do you have in
00:23:55.380mind i know what you have in mind not much yeah and addressing criticism regarding the sort of
00:24:02.420connection that they had lula responded that zanin was selected purely for his professional
00:24:08.980competence yes legal rigor and technical qualifications rather than personal friendship
00:24:18.580okay yeah strange yes strange right um but i i'm are you sure it's not meritocratic
00:24:28.820you don't have to answer i i have some doubt right so according to the uh most of the
00:24:35.140international community lula wins shock brazil election but bolsonaro refuses to concede
00:24:41.540and we have um several people contesting this uh this is a post from geiger capital
00:24:49.060even the new york time realizes as according to geiger capital how obvious this was this is from
00:24:56.660the new york times several election lawyers say today's vote could be annulled due to confusion
00:25:04.260over the late decision to extend voting hours all four lawyers interviewed called the situation
00:25:11.380unprecedented they're saying that this is an extremely serious critical situation according to
00:25:18.020priscilla sodra pereda an electoral lawyer supreme court justice christiana zanin decided minutes
00:25:24.740before the polls closed to extend all polling stations by two additional hours by the time of
00:25:31.220of the announcements, some polling centers had already closed, their voting machines
00:25:35.500had shut down, and they could not reopen. Fernando Nacer, an electoral law professor
00:25:41.120at Fundacao Getulio Vargas, a Brazilian research institute, said the election could be annulled
00:25:47.900if the margin is very narrow, and it is shown that polling stations stayed open longer in
00:25:54.160areas that strongly favor one candidate. Personally, I will say that I don't think that the results
00:25:59.860are going to be annulled because in some cases uh it's not what the law says it's who is mostly
00:26:08.660represented in the law from a political side so so so was it when this decision was made by the
00:26:14.580supreme court that the poly market odds changed immediately yes yes yes so they were like oh
00:26:20.720okay we see what's going on here then yes so they um they interpreted as a signal of election
00:26:27.180interference but that is one narrative or just like a legitimate election just what normally
00:26:35.020happens in a legitimate election in brazil they went oh okay i see i see some doubts in your mind
00:26:39.860they went oh well this just seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to happen luke is
00:26:44.080lula's gonna win not luca he wasn't up for election right and uh the question now is what
00:26:50.560is lula going to do if the results uh aren't um annulled and if he starts his fourth term
00:26:59.840i'll just show you some of the clips he just announced do you see this here vamos a regular
00:27:07.040las plataformas digitales you you don't need to know i can guess what i don't need to know
00:27:12.320portuguese to see this yeah right right so it has to do with regulating digital platforms
00:27:20.400in line with eu policy in line with uk policy australia exactly the united states because he
00:27:26.080wants to protect our democracy of course and there is no better signal to a democrat
00:27:34.960democratically mounted people that you're pro-democracy apparently than saying that you
00:27:39.760have to censor the public dialogue apparently dialogue isn't the lifeblood of democracy
00:27:45.600according to lula and according to the our democ the our democrats yes right um brazilian president
00:27:54.080lula we will teach more mathematics more engineering because i don't want to remain
00:27:58.640dependent on chinese or american artificial intelligence i want to create a brazilian one
00:28:04.480that's good if he does this i don't think that's an actually bad strategy um he does want more
00:28:12.000scholars and engineers because he says he wants to teach more mathematics and engineering um
00:28:18.720you think he's be he's going to be importing some probably why not it's all uh you know
00:28:26.480yes the global progress of his camp if of course uh if what is interesting is that lula occasionally
00:28:33.600uh wears a hat that says brazil belongs to the brazilians which i have nothing against as a
00:28:41.440slogan and as a policy for brazil i have nothing against but what is interesting is that as far as
00:28:47.280the left is concerned or the globalist left people like sanchez when someone says england for the
00:28:54.720english right britain for the british france for the french germany for germans that's far right
00:29:02.080yes if they say spain for the spanish that's far right yes but if lula says here brazil for the
00:29:08.880the brazilians apparently that's not far right for sanchez well we know that there's the double
00:29:14.060standards there would it not also be a stance of defiance against potential in american influence
00:29:20.360it definitely is it definitely is yes so uh yeah so so so so so my my question is from a from a
00:29:28.480british and european perspective what would have been the benefits for us with a more american
00:29:36.120aligned Brazil under Bolsonaro than Lula who wants to decouple and move away from
00:29:42.900America in that way would we have had greater access to Brazilian natural
00:29:47.520resources what strategic possibilities does it offer presumably it would all
00:29:56.560depend how Flavio Bolsonaro would act if he were elected because I
00:30:03.540know obviously with Venezuela the big important thing that America wanted from there and why they
00:30:07.420wanted to get the socialist sales of Venezuela because they wanted access to the oil. Well if
00:30:12.840Flavio Bolsonaro for instance moved like Millet and he opened up the market a bit presumably that
00:30:20.640would be a sign for hey we are okay with you investing in us right this could include this
00:30:27.540could evolve into greater trade between you know brazil and and european countries and also trade
00:30:34.580without the sort of strings attached that each side tries to pull on the other and it would also
00:30:40.900mean i would say um indirectly a weaker globalist left on an indirect uh way right because
00:30:53.300Because, you know, global alliances matter.
00:30:57.260The greater the alliance on a global scale, the more internationally organized in mind that it is, the stronger hold it has.
00:31:05.800So now this, if this election, if these results aren't annulled and they're accepted as the de facto results of the election, that will also be, in a sense, the first victory of the left in Latin America post the cancellation of USAID.
00:31:26.900Yeah, that's also it would also mean now that Lula is much more interested in approaching China and the BRICS camp, it would mean increased BRICS influence in Latin America.
00:31:41.900Right. At a time when the Americans are trying to consolidate over Latin America. So that really matters.
00:31:46.540Yes. And he says here, our army is bigger than the Chinese army, better than the American army and bigger than the Russian army.
00:31:54.020our army is the army of dignity democracy education and health
00:31:58.220at least they got all the buzzwords over there they got all the buzzwords the sloganistic
00:32:04.580left and here we have uh duda salabert who is a communist mp calling for the seizure of
00:32:12.240flavio bolsonaro's passport and his arrest this uh i'm not going to affirm the um
00:32:20.260what origin or uh that's just that's just a south american classic though isn't it
00:32:29.080we've won the election uh arrest my opponent yeah i'll tell you after the the segment finishes
00:32:35.000says urgent i just requested the seizure of flavio bolsonaro's passport the next step for
00:32:41.780this criminal is to try to flee brazil to avoid facing the numerous inquiries against him he needs
00:32:48.240to be arrested soon we cannot allow him to join his brother in the u.s to plot against national
00:32:53.040sovereignty um this shows i'd say this is completely extremist and dictatorial thinking
00:32:59.900it's like um this person thinks that they're a judge jury and executioner they've already said
00:33:07.620flavia bolsonaro is a criminal um overturn his rights yes and i don't see much condemnation of
00:33:17.060this i don't see people condemning this from the the internet the internet the our democrats yes
00:33:26.420of the globalist left they aren't uh sounding the alarm and saying well maybe you maybe this
00:33:33.140is a bit goes a bit too far you have a person here who has announced Bolsonaro to be a criminal and
00:33:41.860calls for his rights to be let's say violated maybe something's going on here no no because
00:33:49.940as we said before you can violate the democratic process you can call for people to be censored
00:33:56.340you can um you can blatantly ignore democratic norms you can uh you know you can do everything
00:34:06.700so long as you say so long as you say you're a leftist well what what was fear is about to say
00:34:11.580because i think you were about to put a counterpoint out there my point is that the problem
00:34:15.540with bolsonaro and with trump is that they uh as somebody online put it that they skinny dipped
00:34:20.580into the into the rubicon or they dipped their toes into the rubicon without actually going
00:34:25.080through i mean skinny dipping would be the absolute like fullest extreme no if you're
00:34:31.520going to cross the rubicon cross the rubicon don't do it halfway because you're at a stage
00:34:37.640now when the notion of democracy is collapsing because democracy relies on a very broad consensus
00:34:43.640between uh the different factions that largely agree on everything and that are therefore willing
00:34:48.840to alternate power because on the important principles they're in agreement well i mean
00:34:53.660You could say, though, that there is a sort of value in the attempt to keep democratic norms, because you could say that, well, for instance, one of the reasons for the pro-Bolsonaro side, for instance, they could say that one of the main criticisms that they have of Lula is that he violated all these norms.
00:35:14.480and you mentioned this about democracy all of all of these political systems have their pitfalls
00:35:19.360and for instance we know when it comes to um attempts at popular sovereignty that they are
00:35:25.620for instance very much susceptible to the sort of triumvirate when we have the you know the
00:35:31.500the executive the legislative and the and the um judicial yeah there are there are always
00:35:40.400background alliances uh triumvirates in the background but you could say that all all this
00:35:48.080it it could happen fundamentally under any system yes but you can have unpopular decision does
00:35:55.340permit is the covering of oligarchy with a fig leaf of popular support but on the other hand
00:36:02.900it's unique in the in in its ability to deceive it's unique authoritarianism is authoritarian
00:36:09.340authoritarian frequently is you can also say that authoritarianism frequently comes forth
00:36:17.320from the mantle of popular support because you have authoritarians saying well democracy doesn't
00:36:23.120work it leads to chaos and vote for me to care for you think about it and they could also and
00:36:30.500let me just finish this they could also say that they could also deceive and it's just that they
00:36:35.840wouldn't use democratic rhetoric to receive to deceive government can deceive of course but
00:36:41.560think about it this way the appeal of authoritarianism right now can be exemplified in
00:36:46.200putin the situation of a lot of europe is that it's spending more than soviet russia
00:36:50.940as a share of gdp uh with absolutely horrific results with rampant crime with rampant filth
00:36:59.840with with collapsing uh demographics uh putin is popular because he provided an authoritarian
00:37:07.680solution for this so when you let things decline to this extent which brazil is a prime example of
00:37:14.000because it's constantly used as a warning of the consequences of decline um then the best solution
00:37:21.040is going to be actually i'm going to crack some skulls now and that is how things will go forward
00:37:28.560well i i don't know because i think that to a very large extent you're opening a very big
00:37:35.040discussion that now we don't have that much time to enter into but i i think that fundamentally
00:37:41.040people fixate on democracy monarchy and oligarchy they are they are essentially answers to the
00:37:47.280question how many people participate in decision making we are forgetting what is the right and
00:37:54.000what is the wrong decision and you can have a monarch making wrong decisions you can have
00:38:00.960oligarchs making wrong decisions you can have a mob or uh you know or clocracy and uh even the
00:38:08.000popular majority making wrong decisions and this notion of of uh you know insufficient0.83
00:38:16.400information flow in democracies also characterizes many authoritarians it's like
00:38:22.800authoritarianism has an allure because people do have occasionally these sort of right okay i don't
00:38:28.720want any limit to what i want to do but these i i think it's worth defending democratic institutions
00:38:36.320and you know republican institutions that have evolved in the western world because they have
00:38:42.000evolved for a reason and the same way we talk about tradition as being a sort of uh kind of
00:38:47.360answers to to problems we have forgotten right now people fixate on the problems of democracy
00:38:53.200and popular government but they are forgetting problems with authoritarianism there have been
00:38:58.880problems with authoritarianism in the past so anyway let's let's continue this discussion
00:39:04.800uh at another time i'm more than happy to have it because um you know i'm that would be amazing
00:39:10.080very interested in it i'm sure that we are going to go to the second segment very quickly yes you
00:39:17.120are going to make something of the hat of uh lula that says brazil belongs to the brazilians which
00:39:23.760is allowed which is permitted now which is permitted now yes uh should we read some of the
00:39:31.120comments uh let's let's just go through a cranky one of them maybe yes soros jr celebrating election
00:39:38.320results suggests that his network had a hand in rigging it we're saying that now because we're
00:39:42.800off of youtube mr editor make sure this is not put onto youtube that's who and what learn about
00:39:48.640the money he and his network make on green energy mandates to understand the why yes
00:39:55.600so i want to talk about identity politics and when is it allowed and when it is not allowed
00:40:01.680uh you frequently see people like uh nice mr jean-luc melanchon here of france the leader of
00:40:08.880the far-left, La France Insoumise, saying that actually the French people do not exist
00:40:21.700except as a political construction, in the same way that perhaps gender is a social construct
00:56:02.800Harman Kapoor himself is an exception here.
00:56:05.500But from the Digbas family, from Bobby Singh, from this supporter of Vivek Ramaswamy, from Dinesh D'Souza, from Five Pillars, from the female MPs representing the black community, from a lot of male black celebrities who go on about reparations, David Lamy, etc.0.50
00:56:26.320you see essentially collective action collective guilt collective claims
00:56:33.560yeah and these are the norm yes and these are the norm well we'll see it sorry are you please
00:56:42.200yeah i'm just i just want to add what for us is saying is that when we see this sort of
00:56:48.560schizoid approach it's like you're far-right extremist racist if you say i'm not british
00:56:55.160when it comes to me receiving benefits and having freedoms,0.98
00:56:59.460but you're also a far-right extremist racist0.91
00:57:02.300if you're insisting on treating me0.98
00:57:04.440as having the same responsibility that the British have
00:57:07.580when it comes to having responsibilities, right?0.83
00:57:21.400but then you see the speech from Rishi Sunak.
00:57:25.160and uh for the sake of time i won't play it but he goes on about the debts that he owes
00:57:32.120to other individuals who are of indian descent in britain uh the fact that his his parents were
00:57:40.360born in east africa doesn't in any way play a role in his identity he is claiming uh loyalty
00:57:49.320based on ancestry. And he is expressing his obligations towards people who share his
00:57:58.120ancestry. And he is making a collective claim. He's speaking of an us that is Indians in Britain
00:58:05.040or British Indians or whatever term you wish to use. But again, you see that from someone like
00:58:11.340Rishi Sunak. You saw the same from Kemi Beidinok talking about her ethnic enemies in Nigeria.
00:58:16.820you saw it in her campaign leaflets to when she was first running for parliament saying that she
00:58:23.700was there to represent the interests of nigerians you see this collective identity across the board
00:58:29.960well you've got to remember though rishi sunak is at least as english as you or stelios precisely
00:58:35.680yeah exactly exactly i think i think that goes also back in time also for instance correct me
00:58:44.120i'm wrong but wasn't uh the hanoverian dynasty very much into what was happening in hanover
00:58:51.080well yes and they until george iii i believe yes yes uh i believe george iii was the first to speak
00:58:58.920english as a native language uh and then he loses america and whatever but here you see
00:59:06.360Mandy Patinkin, who is Jewish-American, and he's defending Abdul Saeed to run for Senate.
00:59:14.680But the reasoning here is quite unusual.
00:59:18.800He says, his words, not mine, Jewish safety depends on a real multiracial democracy.
00:59:25.520And Abdul is the one fighting to protect it.
00:59:28.220Yeah, that's what many progressive Jews claim.
00:59:31.900But the importance of this is that it is a collective claim.
00:59:36.360The importance of this is that our community will be safe if there is a multiracial democracy.
00:59:43.740Now, the supporters, the Western Jews who are also supporters of Ben Gvin and Smotrich in Israel or of Netanyahu in Israel, fundamentally disagree with this perspective and will have told and have told Mandy Patinkin as much.