The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1546

00:00:00.000 Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast of the Loadseaters. Today is Tuesday the 10th of November

00:00:05.400 2026 and this is podcast number 1546 and I'm very pleased today to be joined by brother Dan and

00:00:13.840 brother Bo. Can I just say it's really nice to have Samson back because he knows how to work

00:00:19.480 the air conditioning and we had a lads hour on Friday. It was a sauna lads hour. Yes a sauna

00:00:24.960 a lads hour because samson wasn't here so welcome back samson don't ever go away again welcome

00:00:30.880 brother samson right also don't try to make me laugh behind the scenes right thanks we are going

00:00:39.660 to discuss i am a bit unfair to him i don't get that reference uh yeah he gets it he gets it that

00:00:46.380 i'm a bit unfair a bit harsh with him but he knows it comes from a good place we're going to discuss

00:00:52.220 how the state and the media lie to us about the polish shooter uh where you will want to leave in 0.76

00:01:00.380 3036 yes a thousand years from now and we're gonna talk about armistice day

00:01:08.300 yeah right so let's do we have any announcements

00:01:14.540 right we didn't have the video playing in the beginning

00:01:16.540 okay no whatever announce the breakfast with bow is the best breakfast show on the internet out

00:01:25.440 there chemistry breakfast with bow is the best breakfast show in the internet out there you

00:01:31.120 heard it from the words of no less a man than brother bow himself right okay but i'm sure it's

00:01:38.940 objective oh yeah it is objective it's not you are not saying it because it's yours oh no you're

00:01:45.760 saying it because it's objectively true it's a simple statement of fact yeah exactly right so

00:01:50.920 let's talk a bit about the shootings in Poland that were designated a terrorist attack and they

00:01:59.180 were a very unfortunate event committed by a mass murderer we have some footage here you can hear

00:02:06.840 the gunshots and you can hear widespread panic a man in a black car drove across the square in a

00:02:13.260 black car shooting from a rifle then we have this isn't working again try that

00:02:22.080 one looks like okay I'll restart the segment we are live yeah but for what

00:02:33.840 you do right so yeah okay whatever okay thanks so sadly on November 7 there was a mass terrorist

00:02:48.060 incident in Poland nine people at least have died and there is too much speculation about the

00:02:56.640 incident and the state and the media rushed to deceive people about the nature of the incident

00:03:03.420 Here we have footage. A man in a black car drove across the square in a black car shooting from a rifle.

00:03:11.300 That happened in a main square in Krakow, in Poland, and we have at least nine dead.

00:03:18.200 Six on the scene, several wounded and injured, and we have three people in the home of the killer.

00:03:27.380 Right, so Poland was in shock after a weekend mass shooting in which a gunman opened fire,

00:03:32.660 killing six people and wounding 15 in the city of Krakow before police shot and wounded him.

00:03:38.660 And here are the pictures. He was in military uniform, he had guns and military equipment

00:03:48.740 in his car and he was neutralized and shot by the police he died afterwards in the in the hospital

00:03:57.700 so was he a military guy yeah that's what i was gonna ask no no no no he was not so i'll show you

00:04:04.180 some of the some of the statements made by the bbc 8th of november 14 past 2 p.m two police officers

00:04:13.380 injured in attack emerged from commas according to the minister two police officers who were injured

00:04:20.580 in the deadly crack of shooting are no longer in commas and yesterday one of the officers it is

00:04:25.460 not clear which was said to have been in critical condition after being shot three times while

00:04:30.580 arresting the attacker but luckily they are both healthy right so here we have this reporter

00:04:39.300 Freya Scott-Turner from the BBC. She said there on the 8th of November, the incident

00:04:46.800 happened the day before, she says. Information is still emerging about the mass shooting

00:04:52.300 in Krakow about 24 hours after it unfolded. And she says that six people were killed,

00:05:00.300 four Polish nationals, a British national yet unnamed, and a non-Polish citizen whose

00:05:06.860 nationality hasn't been released at least 25 15 people injured in a stable

00:05:14.240 condition and she says he's about the suspect is a Polish national who wore

00:05:20.540 military-style clothing and used military-grade weapon in the attack he

00:05:25.880 had firearms permit and no prior criminal record authorities have said

00:05:30.560 he's not a soldier or affiliated with the army so this answers Don's question

00:05:35.840 and early investigations indicate he was inspired by far-right ideologies and held very radical

00:05:42.800 views according to a minister we will come down we will come again to this because the minister

00:05:48.320 took it back but he took it back after the media blamed the so-called far-right for it right so we

00:05:59.040 We have here sad news of three more dead.

00:06:04.180 His parents in their 50s and his 20-year-old sister were found dead in his house.

00:06:11.000 He was living with his parents and they were found dead according to the authorities by

00:06:16.800 gunshot wounds.

00:06:19.120 So it looks like he killed his parents.

00:06:23.420 So the death toll isn't just six, it's at least nine.

00:06:27.440 Right, so we have foreigners from the UK, Portugal, Russia, Germany and Austria who are among the dead and the wounded, and this was a very public place, it was a square that is often frequented by tourists.

00:06:45.560 The officials launched an appeal for blood donations for the benefit of the most seriously wounded officer,

00:06:52.560 and the turnout was impressive.

00:06:55.560 And as I say here, the key to donate blood in Krakow in light of the events was great,

00:07:01.560 and there was immense solidarity shown by Poles to the people who needed blood,

00:07:08.560 and to the families of the victims.

00:07:12.560 Right, there was a vigil also at night. There were many Poles there, including the Polish

00:07:22.280 president, Karol Nowrowski, and the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, who frequently

00:07:27.720 had a fight regarding the Polish Constitutional Tribunal. They're both there at the vigil.

00:07:35.040 And they're commemorating the victims. So this was an incredibly tragic day for Poland,

00:07:41.880 And this was a mass murder, it was a terrorist attack, if you'd like.

00:07:49.160 So we have debate now in Poland about gun laws.

00:07:52.380 In the wake of Saturday's deadly terrorist attack in Krakow, a deputy defense minister

00:07:57.040 has called for debate on limiting the number and types of weapons people can own in Poland.

00:08:03.120 Again, as it happens often in the U.S. when there are shootings, especially when it comes

00:08:09.100 school shootings there's a debate with respect to whether gun laws should be

00:08:15.600 more strict and some people are saying that they should be completely that gun

00:08:20.780 possession should be completely banned and here we start with how the state and

00:08:26.260 the media responded to it because on the one hand the the authorities said that

00:08:32.560 they are going to launch an investigation starting Monday about the motive of the attacker,

00:08:40.880 of the mass murderer, who is now identified as Michael or Mikhail Oksensky, a 24-year-old

00:08:49.560 Pole.

00:08:51.060 But the Minister, the Interior Minister of Poland, went out and said essentially the

00:08:57.200 attacker was fascinated by far-right ideologies.

00:09:01.240 That was the first claim he made.

00:09:05.120 And that was before there was even an investigation going on, let alone an investigation yielding

00:09:12.920 a verdict about it.

00:09:15.020 So it says that he was fascinated by far-right ideologies.

00:09:21.900 Right.

00:09:24.600 He wasn't the only member of the government who said this.

00:09:29.200 There was the Polish Minister of Justice, Waldemar Zurek, who said in an interview with

00:09:34.900 Radio Krakow that one can see that he visited websites related to Anders Breivik, and he

00:09:43.260 says that he had very strong far-right extremist motive, and that he was, let's say, inspired

00:09:49.600 by Breivik. So that led into the mainstream media framing this as a widespread incident

00:10:02.400 suggestive of a deeper pattern. It wasn't an isolated incident, it was suggestive of

00:10:08.060 a deeper pattern, the so-called far right.

00:10:12.060 When did this happen? Was it on Saturday it took place, was that right, or Sunday?

00:10:15.640 the mass murder occurred uh on uh friday on friday right sorry when was the 7th of november

00:10:24.160 sorry that was saturday saturday right because um i just remember seeing on the sunday sunday day

00:10:30.220 that already uh there was reports saying it's a far right far right gunman and i remember i always

00:10:36.200 think whenever they come up with something that quickly it's like the police haven't really had

00:10:40.060 time to do any investigation but a politician is saying this already that's just suspicious to me

00:10:45.780 especially when if you if you have somebody shouting ala akbar running down oxford high

00:10:50.300 street waving an isis flag shooting people it will take them two months to figure out what the

00:10:54.640 motive is for somehow a far right they can do within 30 seconds and it's not even it looks

00:10:59.260 like it's not even is that's probably what this segment's going to go and say but yeah the fact

00:11:02.300 that they not even a policeman but a politician was saying it within 24 hours or so just immediately

00:11:10.980 spidey senses like hmm well is that the case and then and then without even trying i was seeing on

00:11:17.860 twitter and stuff people saying uh no the opposite seems to be true but i'm getting ahead of myself

00:11:22.200 i'll let you do no no i i think you are anticipating what uh happened here and the investigation is

00:11:28.300 pending we will show you some of the data we have about the uh the killer and also some of the

00:11:36.080 rumors going around and we are going to talk about them but dan you're absolutely right when it comes

00:11:40.980 to someone ramming a christmas market shouting ala akbar it's a car with mental illness or a knife

00:11:48.800 with mental illness or a or a gun gone berserk completely um going independent and an autonomous

00:11:56.440 gun yep right the whose possessor loses control of it the gun starts firing by itself it's it

00:12:02.440 has mental illness and they they are they are launching a month month month long investigation

00:12:10.440 about it but they are saying they're always casting aspersions that it is the far right

00:12:16.120 why because people will forget about it if it takes them after if it takes them two months to

00:12:21.080 say, well, it wasn't actually someone from the, within quotation marks, far right.

00:12:27.340 There will be two months where the overwhelming majority of people who do follow mainstream

00:12:32.560 media will remember the rumor that it was the far right.

00:12:38.020 And then by next two months, it's going to be forgotten.

00:12:42.560 The next hit is going to happen within two months, sadly, they occur more frequently,

00:12:48.300 The next hit is going to happen, and again, it's going to be the same cycle.

00:12:52.060 The Farah is going to be to blame.

00:12:53.920 I'm not saying that there haven't been right-wing extremist terrorist attacks.

00:12:58.960 There have been, and I condemn them in the strongest possible way.

00:13:02.300 But we should be against terrorism wherever it comes from.

00:13:07.000 And the establishment should be against terrorism wherever it comes from.

00:13:11.520 a certain try to control the narrative and try to sort of minimize the damage done to one's side

00:13:19.520 because it's within quotation marks their protected side here the pattern is very very clear though

00:13:25.740 isn't it yeah it's very very clear when there is the uh odd genuine far-right attack they're all

00:13:31.980 over that singing it from the rooftops you're never allowed to forget it yeah like joe cox or

00:13:36.300 something uh when it's an islam thing it's either completely buried or it's just mental illness or

00:13:43.820 the terror police just aren't interested it's not whatever it is it's not terrorism that sort of

00:13:48.320 thing or if it's a leftist thing they just spend forever trying to uh just prevaricate before

00:13:55.320 giving any sort of verdict or this exact angle has played out a number of times now i've noticed

00:14:00.280 two or three times off the top of my head i could give you examples of when it was a leftoid that

00:14:05.660 did something but the legacy corporate lamestream media to begin with just blame it on the far right

00:14:10.200 or i mean do you remember i don't know if he's going to talk about this do you remember not

00:14:14.760 that long ago maybe a few months ago there was talk that there was a far right terrorist cell

00:14:20.000 in britain that was planning to blow up or shoot up some sort of muslim festival and even the home

00:14:26.700 secretary even shaban mamood was like saying yes this is far right we've arrested a number of

00:14:30.440 people and it was just completely wrong it was just nothing it was nothing yeah I could believe

00:14:35.880 that and they and they just they just simply buried it they just memory hold the whole thing

00:14:40.140 it's like no wait you tried to blame the far right for a thwarted mass casualty event and that was

00:14:45.620 that was a liar that was a falsehood made up of whole cloth and now you're just going to not ever

00:14:51.760 mention that again right okay I get it that's narrative control here we have another example

00:14:57.320 of narrative control afp gunman fascinated by far-right kill six in krakow poland cnn poland

00:15:04.980 stand as suspect with far-right views kill six in krakow mass shooting nbc news krakow shooting

00:15:11.940 that killed six was motivated by far-right views authorities say i mean that's that's accurate it's

00:15:17.560 the authorities who said this polish gunman who killed six people in krakow has ultra nationalistic

00:15:23.260 views authorities say most people read headlines they're just gonna enter the website they're just

00:15:30.780 gonna read the headline right okay polish shootings far right that's it they aren't gonna

00:15:38.860 inquire more into it and after two months where the motive is going to be more overwhelmingly

00:15:45.020 likely not going to be tied to the far right they will have forgotten about it it's very very easy

00:15:51.180 just to poison the world that way isn't it yes i mean it's the easiest thing in the world it

00:15:54.620 doesn't really cost them anything other than a loss of easy a loss of prestige from those that

00:15:59.980 might notice but we're in the minority here we have someone called thomas urbas who is writing

00:16:06.780 about several subjects he says the attacker from krakow was inspired by right-wing pro-russian views

00:16:12.860 and a cult of weapons starting at home his father was an activist in the right-wing pro-russian

00:16:19.340 party normalni crash right-wing uh disinformation agents are trying to hide the attacker's

00:16:25.740 inspiration by the far right right so uh why did he kill his father then right just just a question

00:16:34.300 just you know that that got 1.1 million views on the 8th of november sorry then why is it now that

00:16:43.980 anything connected to russia was automatically far right yeah well why is why is russia a far

00:16:48.700 right as you'll see also in a in a in a weird sense the as of regiment here is also tied to

00:16:55.500 the left which is also a bit ironic we will see we will we will get to this because it's a really

00:17:03.100 uh it's completely all over the place completely all over the place right so make one say one other

00:17:09.020 the thing yeah if you look at someone's you just within the first few hours and invest of an

00:17:14.560 investigation look onto someone's like internet history that doesn't actually tell you what

00:17:19.260 necessarily is in their heart and soul for example his internet history could be looking up far right

00:17:24.000 stuff they could easily be a leftoid hate watching stuff very very easily yeah or it could be someone

00:17:30.360 just wanting to see what each side says yeah i mean i've got quite a lot of left-leaning books

00:17:36.400 at home quite a lot I've got a copy of the communist manifesto a copy of Mao's little red

00:17:40.920 book copy of Das Kapital doesn't make me a leftist does it if you were to look at my youtube history

00:17:45.760 it's like two-thirds leftist stuff right so it doesn't right so it doesn't okay well but it's

00:17:52.100 it's not about the quality of messaging or content it's about the quantity flood flood the public

00:18:01.180 with a particular message so they just completely get gaslit so he was according to this thing he

00:18:10.540 this um post he was influenced by right-wing pro-russia um activism from his father but

00:18:22.360 somehow he killed his father no maybe he wasn't pro-russia enough right okay so we have here

00:18:29.600 again Washington Times, gunman with far-right views who killed six in Polish city square dies

00:18:35.180 in hospital. Right, so there are several questions about the killer. Who is Michael Oksinski?

00:18:43.920 And they're saying here, I'll just read this. The profile of Oksinski presents certain data

00:18:50.340 alongside testimonies that are being verified. He had no criminal record and lived with his family,

00:18:56.300 sharing a strong passion for shooting at the range with his father. He held a valid license

00:19:02.260 for two firearms. His father owned 11 and was a member of the Sweet Starachowice shooting club.

00:19:09.880 The management of the sports facility clarified that they had never provided a young man with

00:19:14.420 tactical dynamic or combat training, stating full cooperation with investigators. On a personal

00:19:19.760 level, a former classmate recalled incidents from their school years, drawings depicting people

00:19:26.020 hanging or armed and stories in which the boy imagined attacks on the institution assigning

00:19:31.380 himself the role of the attacker along with a marked interest in military history so there

00:19:36.340 are several sides right now saying what he was like people at the local grocery store says

00:19:43.940 say that he was avoiding eye contact he was wearing a hoodie he wasn't particularly social

00:19:49.140 very anti-social some people at school say that he was drawing people getting killed and people

00:19:54.740 getting hanged others like his uh some of his previous the people who knew him say that he

00:20:01.620 wasn't particularly um someone with far right views and we have in the internet here a number of

00:20:12.020 posts circulating and some of them are most probably some of them are fake others are not

00:20:20.100 but his account is not accessible ever since the incident happened it's people can't access his

00:20:28.100 facebook account right so here we have um several pictures of him now i want to say that if you look

00:20:37.300 in this picture for instance that is allegedly him he doesn't have dark eyes whereas in other

00:20:43.780 other images, I'll show you this one here for instance, he seems to have darker eyes.

00:20:51.420 So take everything with a pinch of salt at this point.

00:20:56.700 So they say that they have unearthed several stuff here.

00:21:00.640 He is with the pride flag wearing military uniform and a gas mask.

00:21:08.220 Here he is posing with both of his hands imitating a gun firing at his head.

00:21:15.220 How old is he again? Twenty-two, twenty-four?

00:21:17.220 Twenty-four, twenty-four, yeah.

00:21:20.220 Allegedly he hated the Catholic Church and he posted claims about it.

00:21:26.220 So here we have two former classmates saying that they knew him since primary school.

00:21:34.220 And they say plainly that he had no leanings that could actually be called right wing.

00:21:40.260 Here we have the national prosecutor's office saying, I don't know where this theory comes from.

00:21:47.260 You'll see that the vultures on the left will keep lying and feeding off the deaths of innocent victims to keep peddling their nonsense.

00:21:53.260 So he comes and he contradicts the minister and then the minister took it back.

00:21:58.900 okay right we have again more stuff here allegedly he was on a march with

00:22:09.460 let me just mute this with holding a refugees welcome sign here

00:22:16.660 typical far-right behavior then yeah that's sick looks like he was all over the place again here

00:22:24.100 he had a Ukraine flag on his on his military uniform and they were saying that he was

00:22:34.980 allegedly interested in the Azov regiment not exactly the typical now here or the other

00:22:42.020 this you could say it is this is a bit far-right extremist bordering on Nazi you could say

00:22:50.660 that's a very big question you know you'll always get the people who said as of was very

00:22:57.260 nazi in the beginning then it changed that's a big conversation we don't have to enter in it now

00:23:02.080 but it looks like he was someone who was basically all over the place

00:23:05.280 well i mean if that is indeed a picture of him with the pride flag it is indeed him

00:23:10.980 at that refugees are welcome assuming he's not a some sort of right-wing mole trying to

00:23:15.740 infiltrate the left uh and he's got a ukraine flag on his assault rifle there and stuff 0.80

00:23:20.560 it's not classic right it's not right it's not right killing the family 0.99

00:23:25.860 hating the pope and killing your own dad yeah it's not particularly yeah because you would 0.66

00:23:32.600 expect if he if he were polish and very far right he would be very strongly catholic 0.98

00:23:39.940 presumably the thing is to your point at the beginning a lot of people would have heard this

00:23:45.400 story they would have given attention on saturday and sunday they would have heard he's far right

00:23:49.320 and then they never think about it again they won't hear any corrections yeah so it will just

00:23:53.000 get logged in the mental banks as oh there's been another far right shooting yeah that's why 0.53

00:23:57.660 afterwards the polish um minister took it back no evidence polish killer was far right 0.53

00:24:04.780 prosecutors admit as it is revealed he executed parents and sister with two shots to the head 0.74

00:24:11.180 each as they slept and even killed their two cats plus his uh sister yeah i i mean just quickly say

00:24:19.900 the pathology of someone that kills their own family then goes on a kill spree a suicide kill

00:24:25.100 spree it's not usually got anything to do with politics usually there might be a layer of that

00:24:31.900 interwoven somewhere in it but usually the pathology of that is that it's to do with

00:24:39.420 all sorts of trauma in your childhood and all sorts of resentment and even dare i say actual

00:24:43.820 mental illness all those sorts of things it's very that sort of thing a 24 year old doing that it's

00:24:49.340 not really about political ideology it will be about that they're extremely unhappy stroke insane

00:24:58.380 is what it is he he just looked like a very lost soul trying to find a cause to justify his

00:25:05.740 resentment yeah i was it wasn't the typical resentment you'd say you know it's the someone

00:25:11.420 who's very bitter and hates other people's successes he actually killed nine people

00:25:16.860 including his parents and sister yeah so i want to end with talking about a pattern

00:25:24.540 that we detect not just in poland but we detect everywhere especially within the eu

00:25:29.820 and the U.S. when it comes to crime committed by people who are, generally speaking, members

00:25:37.500 of groups that the left considers to be oppressed. Now, in this case, it's not exactly that he

00:25:45.920 was a member of an oppressed class, according to the left, or the left-wing ideology, but

00:25:53.220 establishment reacted in the same way, or at least the Tusk side of the

00:25:59.440 establishment in Poland. So I have this from May 16th and it's not the first

00:26:05.220 time I've talked about this. I was talking there about an incident that

00:26:09.960 happened in Modena in Italy, a terrorist incident where eight people were

00:26:14.460 injured. One lost her legs instantly and another's legs were completely

00:26:18.460 amputated by someone who drove a car and crushed their legs on the wall.

00:26:25.620 Yeah, I remember that.

00:26:26.440 Yes.

00:26:27.120 So, the pattern.

00:26:29.440 A crime is committed by members of groups the left considers oppressed.

00:26:32.600 I admit that this doesn't exactly fit in this case precisely, but let's see what the next

00:26:41.320 stages have to say.

00:26:42.820 Mainstream media cast aspersions about oppressor groups that imply that the far right is to

00:26:47.980 blame.

00:26:48.460 You saw this happening when the identity of the perpetrator cannot be denied

00:26:52.960 Emma same treats it as an isolated incident that was caused by mental

00:26:57.640 illness and which does not suggest any deeper pattern this is most probably

00:27:01.900 what they're gonna see and then it continues politicians and

00:27:06.220 establishment hearings make performative expressions of sympathy to the victims

00:27:10.400 and their families after the empty virtue signaling they will scare monger

00:27:14.620 about the far right and make irrelevant remarks about fascism and Nazism, whose purpose is

00:27:19.980 to frame every person who doesn't buy into the progressive narrative as an enemy of society

00:27:25.020 and progress. I think this is what Donald Tusk and his ministers are trying to do here.

00:27:33.020 They are trying to say, well, these people are to blame, our political opponents, Navrotskis

00:27:40.380 and the PIS's people are to blame for this, those who challenge the dominant paradigm

00:27:45.380 are meant with screeching about racism and extremism, whose only purpose is to divert

00:27:50.320 attention away from the dead ends of the progressive paradigm, then business as usual."

00:27:54.840 I admit that this doesn't exactly fit into it, but you do see that when it comes to reporting

00:28:02.780 crime and talking about crime always look at who is trying to minimize crimes committed

00:28:12.260 by some members of some groups and always try to see who gets to who gets blamed. Right.

00:28:25.040 So Sigil Stern 17 says so Donald Tusk fails to achieve a left-wing coup so time to pull

00:28:31.340 Melanchon and unleashed these attacks. I don't know if this, I'm not suggesting that Donald

00:28:39.240 Tusk is behind these attacks. I'm just saying that there was a shameless attempt at narrative

00:28:46.200 control that appears to have absolutely nothing to do with truth, and that was the politicization

00:28:52.640 of the event. The hapsification says it's very simple, blame the far right first, and

00:28:58.940 when the correction is made it will be done quietly and no one will care the well has been

00:29:04.520 poisoned and any future right winger will be associated or chick door says maybe the government

00:29:10.340 is on to something uh and they're saying um about mental illness yep i can't read that

00:29:17.020 so a little over two years ago stelios bow and myself found ourselves doing doing the podcast

00:29:28.640 on a fairly slow news day a bit like today and we thought it'd be an excellent opportunity to

00:29:35.300 have an argument about our favorite bugbear which is trying to explain to beau that venus is

00:29:42.500 obviously better than mars daniel daniel and and and i think i think time has been kind to me on

00:29:49.700 that was that two years ago it was two in fact look at this video right let's let's uh oh where

00:29:54.580 How do I make my mouse?

00:29:55.300 Is that the one I thought that thumbnail was familiar?

00:29:58.740 Right, let's just play a bit of this.

00:30:01.040 I'd better turn the sound off whenever that comes up.

00:30:02.860 Oh, there we go.

00:30:03.340 The sound's off.

00:30:04.520 Is that Islander 1 or 2?

00:30:06.660 Is that Islander 2?

00:30:07.640 3, possibly.

00:30:08.420 God, don't they look young?

00:30:09.420 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

00:30:10.500 Oh, really?

00:30:11.160 Yeah, look at that.

00:30:12.600 Look how young we look.

00:30:14.220 I'm wearing the same tie.

00:30:17.860 Yes.

00:30:18.520 You might be.

00:30:20.340 This is a different place I'm wearing pinstripes today.

00:30:22.480 You can go to basically any market in this video,

00:30:25.980 and it's me full of boyish enthusiasm,

00:30:29.020 Beau with incredible scepticism, 0.99

00:30:31.640 and stay the ass like, 0.99

00:30:32.760 what the hell have I found myself in the middle of? 0.99

00:30:34.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:36.600 But actually, I've learned to embrace the absurdity.

00:30:41.040 Yes.

00:30:41.440 Well, yes.

00:30:42.220 This was a serious one.

00:30:44.180 We actually have genuinely aged a fair bit in like two years.

00:30:48.720 It goes to show what a little bit of regular YouTubing will do to a man.

00:30:53.700 Yeah.

00:30:54.260 Yeah.

00:30:55.440 Or when you just immerse yourself in the news cycle every day,

00:30:58.540 day after day after day, the horror of it.

00:31:00.460 The horror.

00:31:01.340 Just look at me now.

00:31:02.680 Look at me now and look at me a year ago.

00:31:04.980 Yes.

00:31:05.660 It's like fighting on the Ostfront, the Eastern Front in World War II.

00:31:08.560 You're just going to age like 20 times faster than normal

00:31:12.000 if you watch the news too much.

00:31:14.080 You look like, I don't know, Tom Holland or something there, 0.82

00:31:16.580 whereas now you look like i don't know old man type but yes uh no offense but anyway so we made

00:31:23.160 that video and it's very important and and and i did promise that next time we get a slow news day

00:31:29.080 with us three i'm coming back to this topic it's taken two years but i'm here okay i'm here i'm

00:31:35.820 back do it and and no and the problem and the problem is right the problem is is that um last

00:31:44.160 time we debated it we debated it from the perspective of fresh colonists now the now

00:31:50.240 the thing is anywhere where you're new it's bloody awful so california in like i don't know 1804 or

00:31:57.180 something would have been an awful like journey to get there and then setting up and you'd be

00:32:03.380 attacked by like indian spots not no feathers not spots um and you have no infrastructure and

00:32:09.540 right and look the wilderness is trying to kill you yes even california yeah even california

00:32:15.380 would be difficult at first right yeah so i thought okay what about if we don't approach

00:32:20.540 it from the perspective of the first few years because i've already won that argument you would

00:32:26.840 agree but wouldn't you um let's approach it from the perspective of we're gonna we're gonna go

00:32:31.540 forward a little bit we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna go to 3036 right so this is the

00:32:38.960 this is the board of earth expats in the year 3036 and i don't know population of earth at this

00:32:45.220 point is like i don't know 120 billion or something like that it's a bit crowded and so uh they

00:32:51.240 basically just decide whole lots of people yep you're getting out okay so there's all sorts of

00:32:55.320 off-world options yes oh okay cool cool cool yeah and so look there's plenty of viable places and

00:33:02.160 if i do it so i've already made the argument from the initial stage if i make the argument from the

00:33:07.320 other end 3036 both of which are going to tell us it's venus is that project 3036 project 3036

00:33:15.640 yeah good i'm thinking ahead a bit more than than most people do on this actually i meant to make

00:33:20.700 it 3026 did i yeah i did the title like that okay the ai screwed that up when i asked it for the

00:33:26.600 post it's done 3036 anyway point is okay uh lots of options out there and i thought we could have

00:33:31.860 a bit of a this this should be a tier maker i'm i don't know if i'll bother with this but

00:33:36.640 we might do that anyway so with that we can look at the options of where you've been kicked off

00:33:41.880 earth a thousand years from now where are you going to go right wherever the hottest aliens are

00:33:46.440 i i didn't work aliens into this given one thousand years we'll still be in our own solar

00:33:54.740 system it's gonna take more than a thousand years before we go to other star systems unless we

00:34:00.220 really really surprisingly figure out fdl before that yeah unless some sort of yeah some there's

00:34:06.440 big break somewhere yes okay so venus let's start with the let's start with the best option is she

00:34:13.160 wearing a sci-fi covid mask no so venus is the only other place that you can go outside okay

00:34:20.680 good because what we're talking about we're not talking because because you always get hung up on

00:34:24.360 this boat right you always get hung up on going to the surface yeah you don't need to go to the

00:34:28.760 surface right like just just imagine if you were going to an ocean world where you had this nice

00:34:35.480 light ocean um but it was as deep as the mariana trench but there's lots of aqua life and lots of

00:34:42.440 stuff that you that's useful to you you wouldn't insist on living at the bottom of the mariana

00:34:46.600 trench would you yeah you just build it you just build a surface platform and you'd float on it

00:34:51.880 and instead of floating on the sea you're instead floating the atmosphere and that and that feels

00:34:56.360 counterintuitive for earthlings because our atmosphere is fairly thin so trying to build a

00:35:01.080 city in the clouds is is a right pain but in venus because the atmosphere is so incredibly thick

00:35:08.760 you can have you can have your sort of your city and as long as you fill it with normal air

00:35:13.480 normal earth air so nitrogen and oxygen a fairly light atmosphere and as long as you don't build

00:35:18.200 it out of something stupidly heavy use carbon i know graphene or carbon nanotubes or or carbon 0.97

00:35:25.720 fiber anything like that and your city isn't ridiculously heavy the damn thing will just float 0.96

00:35:31.080 and it will float about 50 kilometers up a couple of things i'll say one the venus argument is 0.80

00:35:37.580 stronger if we're talking a thousand years from now because before now when we've debated more

00:35:42.500 than once hasn't it been more than once we've talked about mars versus venus the strongest

00:35:47.180 point in i think in my side of that on that on that ledger is i'm talking about sort of now

00:35:52.500 what's actually possible in terms of engineering now if you if you are talking a thousand and ten

00:35:59.140 years from now yeah well okay then perhaps perhaps venus becomes more possible but then even floating

00:36:06.420 cities in the in the uh in in the venetian atmosphere why why would you because even if

00:36:14.220 you're above the clouds the clouds of sulfuric acid even if you're above that it's still not

00:36:19.600 like an earth type atmosphere you can't go outside and there's not you can because the pressure the

00:36:26.020 Pressure about 50 kilometres up is approximately the same pressure as it is on the surface of Earth.

00:36:32.540 So you won't be crushed.

00:36:33.080 And you won't be immediately melted by sulfuric acid in the heat.

00:36:35.940 So she's got the re-breather.

00:36:37.860 You'll need to supply extra oxygen.

00:36:40.480 You can't just breathe.

00:36:41.460 No, you'll need a little bit of extra oxygen.

00:36:43.080 A bit like that scene in Avatar when you go outside, the humans need a little extra re-breather,

00:36:47.920 but otherwise they can do it, right?

00:36:49.840 It's that kind of thing.

00:36:50.480 i don't think the venetian atmosphere even like 50 miles up is like it's very close to an earth

00:36:57.200 like atmosphere it's not it's nowhere it's not the same at all well no no you don't need a little

00:37:02.320 bit of extra oxygen like you're at the top of everest no it's entirely poisonous it's entirely

00:37:07.760 poisonous to a human i believe anyway sorry sorry i don't yeah i mean to be fair it would smell a

00:37:13.200 bit i'll i'll google it and if is it full of meth methane sulfur sulfur sulfur so stink like eggs

00:37:19.600 rotten eggs yeah i mean i mean you'd probably want nose plugs as well but but venus is a great

00:37:24.880 option because you've got nice pressure also i mean the big difference the big thing we talked

00:37:28.960 about last time the difference between mars and venus is on mars if you get like a like a screwdriver

00:37:36.000 size hole in the size of your habitat that's it the wall just blows out you're now flopping around

00:37:40.480 on the surface of mars while your lungs and eyeballs exit your body right on venus because

00:37:45.360 the pressure is comparable it's just a composition of the gas issue you get a hole in the side of

00:37:49.680 your habitat you just say oh better fix that tomorrow so in your floating habitat i think

00:37:57.760 i think you're getting a rosy spin on it a bit you've got great you've got all i've done it all

00:38:04.960 here but you get all the silica you need you get all the carbon you need you get all the fuel you

00:38:09.520 need so you can start churning out extra habitats you could you've got all the yeah all the stuff

00:38:16.080 you need for um semiconductors i mean this could be a major industrial zone that's a fair point

00:38:21.760 say about venus is it's more rich in useful resources than mars that's a lot of a lot of

00:38:27.760 very useful stuff that's a fair point now to be fair the silica at surface level you need you

00:38:32.240 you won't be going down there personally you'll be sending high temperature drones and stuff like

00:38:35.600 that but the big thing is you've got your gravity right so you you can raise you can raise normal

00:38:41.760 children and if they want to they can visit earth without being completely similar to earth isn't

00:38:45.600 the gravity it's a tiny bit less tiny bit yeah point nine okay all right top top left okay right

00:38:51.760 yeah so it's it's bloody fantastic option this is this is like the south korea of the future

00:38:58.000 this is where you're going to want to be so on that basis you're like the tourist board of for

00:39:03.440 venus i think we need to put venus right up there on the s tier so there we go uh let's have a look

00:39:10.800 at some other options the moon the moon i mean it it does it on location this is like living on a 0.90

00:39:17.200 council flat in in in one of the london boroughs yeah yeah well it's it's old hat it's already run 0.87

00:39:25.120 down there's no point there's nothing good there is that what it is right so you've got to give it

00:39:30.960 that okay you've got to give it that it's like living in i don't know croydon or something like

00:39:35.200 that i like the idea that in the future they've actually built whole uh habitats around even a

00:39:40.660 museum built around where sort of the apollo era buggies were left or around like neil armstrong's

00:39:47.340 first footprint that would still be there yes there's a whole sort of museum or something a

00:39:51.740 viewing platform built around that yes i love the idea of it'll be as historically accurate as some

00:39:56.900 of the um um you know some of the museums around krakow that we were just talking about so so

00:40:01.980 there's spicy on more than one level uh so there's that there's that as well you'd probably

00:40:06.980 build your habitat because because the moon's the moon's nice because you've got all these lava

00:40:10.820 tubes these big empty lava tubes under the surface that you could build your cities in so you'd

00:40:14.980 probably be underground for a lot of it but great location and once you can get stuff also you've

00:40:19.660 got all this sort of silicon um and oxygen ricks rock you want you've got loads of iron you've got

00:40:24.780 loads of titanium i think water ice as well now at the poles yeah uh was that south pole or

00:40:29.480 something like that but but that's an option as well so um yeah lots going on there and it and

00:40:35.360 that could be a sort of i don't know like a rotter dam do you know what i think the moon will be

00:40:39.520 in the future probably more than a thousand years from now maybe more like 10 000 years or 100 000

00:40:44.180 years if we don't destroy ourselves um the moon will just be um like a hub it will just be like

00:40:50.880 You know there's certain places in the world

00:40:52.940 Which act as sort of a travel hub

00:40:56.040 Yes

00:40:56.300 Like I don't know

00:40:57.640 Like Dubai or Mumbai

00:40:59.340 Well I'm thinking Rotterdam

00:41:00.740 That's kind of it for me

00:41:02.320 South Mims or something 1.00

00:41:03.900 There'll be

00:41:04.440 It's where you go

00:41:05.620 Before you go to where you really want to go

00:41:07.520 It's where you have to sort of stop off

00:41:09.200 Oh like Heathrow or something

00:41:10.220 Yeah yeah

00:41:10.640 Let's call it Space Heathrow

00:41:12.280 On your way to where you want to go

00:41:13.460 In the outer solar system

00:41:14.720 Yeah

00:41:14.980 You're going to have to

00:41:16.120 Your first stop on your way

00:41:17.380 Into the outer solar system

00:41:19.380 Will be the moon

00:41:20.280 Yes

00:41:20.660 yes i like it for that uh mercury mercury's now mercury is an interesting one right because

00:41:29.040 okay you know what you're going to say you're going to say it's hot no i know i know about

00:41:33.980 that there's yeah there's certain places on mercury which are very very cold yeah yeah well

00:41:39.760 the thing is though incredibly because the atmosphere is so thin to like basically non-existent

00:41:44.780 almost if you if you're covered from the sun you actually sort of you're incredibly cold

00:41:50.640 so what you do is you build these habitats which kind of shut which shielded you from the sun which

00:41:55.840 kind of all solar panel and then you'd have to use almost most of the energy that you get from

00:42:00.860 those solar panels to then heat what's beneath it so if you were stood on mercury like a solar

00:42:05.480 proof umbrella if you're under the umbrella you're going to freeze and the moment you step out you're

00:42:10.460 going to like cook it's like one or the two but there's no like heat transference between the two

00:42:15.340 zones there are some places on mercury which are uh it incredibly as you might counterintuitively

00:42:22.120 it's incredible to think but very very very cold because it's not that mercury is completely

00:42:27.480 tidally locked to the sun but with its axis there's certain places on mercury where certain

00:42:33.480 dark sides of certain specific craters never are never ever exposed to the sun yes and so

00:42:39.780 they're freezing they're almost as cold as and that's why there are craters on the north and

00:42:43.540 south pole that have ice in them right on mercury yes it's incredible isn't it to think that but

00:42:47.720 that's true yeah because the sun has never hit them and therefore there's no reason for the ice

00:42:51.220 not to have stayed there but one thing i will say mercury it's extremely difficult to get to mercury

00:42:56.240 i i understand just the the orbital dynamics of it the uh trajectories the it's really really

00:43:03.420 difficult because you're having to lose rotational energy to get in towards the sun it's very very

00:43:07.900 difficult to slow down enough to land on mercury so even though it's a lot closer than you know

00:43:13.720 like the jovian moons yes we'll probably it'll be probably one of the latest ones we ever colonize

00:43:19.040 if we ever do really good for mining though because it appears it appears to be missing an

00:43:23.700 outer crust so you basically get straight into the metal straight away very very metal rich isn't it

00:43:29.540 so it's kind of yes it's kind of like the sudan of of the solar system in that they've got loads

00:43:34.980 of metals and resources. Is Sudan the one with

00:43:36.960 all the metals? I didn't think Sudan was.

00:43:39.500 Which is the one with all the cobalt

00:43:40.960 mining? Oh, I don't know. Is that like Ethiopia

00:43:42.820 or something? I don't know. I know what you're

00:43:44.860 getting at. I know what you're getting at. Loads of

00:43:46.860 metals, but you wouldn't necessarily want to live with yourself.

00:43:48.920 So that's not. I think maybe Mercury's just

00:43:50.900 sort of the inner core of a once

00:43:53.080 more sort of

00:43:55.060 terrestrial, rockier planet, and now

00:43:56.780 all that's left is its inner

00:43:58.740 metal core, essentially.

00:44:00.900 Right. This one

00:44:03.000 should be uncontroversial uh this is this is gonna have to go very low on the tier list mars

00:44:06.660 um it's like the australian outback of planets it's like you can live there but why would you

00:44:12.500 want to should we should we agree on that this is going fairly low and quiet

00:44:18.160 maybe you want some peace and i think the i think the martian landscape's absolutely

00:44:24.140 breathtakingly beautiful like the outback right i think the outback is beautiful isn't it okay

00:44:29.120 well if you like that sort of thing just just desert then yeah then yeah i guess i guess i

00:44:33.740 mean it's there's a it's bleak yes there's a there's a beauty to that sort of bleakness

00:44:38.860 it's it's australia is it's the australian outback except instead of instead of snakes that will kill

00:44:44.900 you is radiation from the sky that will kill you you know venus is highly irradiated you know well

00:44:51.300 yeah but you get you get the cloud cover i thought we was above the clouds no because there's still

00:44:55.600 enough thick atmosphere above that to shelter you from the radiation so you've got a radiation

00:44:59.140 blanket yeah it's there there was there was tons and tons of atmosphere on mark on venus i don't

00:45:03.800 think venus has got much of a magnetosphere uh more of a what's the what's the magnetosphere or

00:45:10.960 something yeah the yeah the shield the way earth is shielded i don't think no it no it no it doesn't

00:45:15.960 but you've still got quite a thick atmosphere above you i mean mars is a harsh environment

00:45:21.060 there's no two ways about it i would never deny that it's a harsh environment um i always just

00:45:27.460 advocate for it because it like right now in the 2020s it's a place we could go not that i

00:45:34.100 intrinsically love mars better than any other location in the so you're saying for now lack

00:45:40.420 of better options like like if you're going to university in hull you might go out to a nightclub

00:45:44.820 in hull not because you think it's the best nightclub in the world but because you haven't

00:45:48.660 literally have no better options at the time yes okay i would agree with that so we've agreed so

00:45:54.820 let me just go back to my tier chart let's put i won't i won't do this of all of them but maybe

00:45:59.860 maybe we can get it up to a d is that is that fair for hull i think that's reasonable so i'm glad we

00:46:06.100 settled that debate i think you're going to put them wherever you want to put them aren't you um

00:46:10.100 feebos and devils i actually like these better right i like these better the this is like another

00:46:14.900 this is like um another rotterdam option except for mars i did a face rotterdam yes i did a whole

00:46:23.620 uh almost a whole segment the other week didn't i about phobos yes uh i mean deimos i mean they're

00:46:30.020 both there's a reason why they're named after the gods of sort of what fear and dread isn't it dread

00:46:35.620 uh rout in battle uh because well anyway phobos particularly is going to fall into mars at some

00:46:43.460 point it'd be a few million years yet but um their gravity is so tiny oh look it says gravity near

00:46:50.740 zero yeah they say a man if you had a rock or maybe a cricket ball and just the power in a man's

00:46:58.260 arm would be enough to throw it and just completely escape velocity completely escape yeah so it's

00:47:03.220 almost nothing they're they're just it's not they're not very big so so that actually you

00:47:07.940 don't want to stay there long again it'll be a stopover point on your way to the surface of mars

00:47:12.500 if it's like a refueling point and a transit point you presumably would get people who spent

00:47:17.120 quite a lot of time there you have to work there perhaps the whole careers that you have to work

00:47:20.580 in the cost of coffee on phobos but but actually the gravity is a really interesting point right

00:47:24.320 because you you kind of want to have normalish gravity to develop a normal human body right

00:47:29.640 and so you wouldn't want to be born and grow up on phobos we know but on venus because you're at

00:47:35.600 point nine you're basically there now if you're on one of these asteroids and there's i've got a

00:47:40.860 couple in this a couple in this set and the asteroids that's actually also good because all

00:47:45.620 you do is you basically build it you build a habitat a rotating habitat on it okay and you

00:47:50.740 can basically just stick it on there and and you can put it parallel to the surface and you get

00:47:55.220 this very tiny slight lean pulling you but actually the rotation is doing almost all of the work to

00:48:01.300 give you normal gravity so actually having like venus-like gravity or asteroid gravity is your

00:48:07.200 best bet if you're on mars it would be a right bugger to get back up to 100 to 1g but also in

00:48:15.440 fogos you have excellent career mobility there career mobility yeah well you could jet onto

00:48:23.620 somewhere else you mean yes but like i'm basically reading your notes oh have you seen um have you

00:48:30.500 ever read or the john carter stories any of those or the mars no yeah but basically yeah you'd be

00:48:36.900 used to you'd be able to jump really far well you're going to jump quite far it's okay for a

00:48:43.560 human to go and live on mars but if you were born and raised on mars it would be terrible

00:48:47.480 if you went to earth you'd be on like a zimmer yeah yeah you'd be really weak so on mars if you

00:48:53.080 wanted to if you wanted to add artificial gravity the only way you could really do it is you know

00:48:56.380 like a nascar track it's like leaned you would have to kind of build your city on like a nascar

00:49:02.100 track that rotates around it so you've got the central for you centrifugal force pushing you

00:49:06.280 outwards to balance against

00:49:08.260 the gravity pulling down but you get

00:49:09.740 on Phoebus and Demos and the other asteroids

00:49:12.400 if you're built with rotating habitat

00:49:14.020 you just have pretty much normal gravity with

00:49:16.180 a tiny imperceptible lean

00:49:18.200 whereas you did that on Mars, the lean

00:49:20.280 is actually quite strong so it would be like

00:49:21.920 you're on a wonky ship or something. You're talking about

00:49:24.220 like a ring world type thing that

00:49:26.260 an entire

00:49:27.820 ring structure

00:49:30.460 around the whole of Phobos for example

00:49:32.380 constantly

00:49:33.480 Well, no, you wouldn't even need to do that.

00:49:35.060 Something that's in orbit around it that just spins on it.

00:49:37.240 No, you could just have a big pole with a spinny thing on it, if it's big enough.

00:49:42.640 Okay, that's attached to the...

00:49:44.840 Well, because there's almost no gravity, you could have it nearby.

00:49:48.580 I mean, that would probably be easier.

00:49:49.540 But on Mars, you'd have to have, like, an enormous NASCAR track,

00:49:52.520 your city built on a track that goes around it to provide that outward force.

00:49:55.360 I've never even heard of that as a concept.

00:49:57.280 Right.

00:49:58.060 It's cool sounding, but I've never even heard of that as a possibility. 0.94

00:50:01.340 It would be really rubbish.

00:50:03.240 that's why you've got to stick away from these low from these middling gravity places bad news bad

00:50:09.000 news series the the saudi arabia of water so so you've got this in the um in the asteroid belt

00:50:17.880 carries you call it carried i think that carries yeah i think that sounds carry then um loads and

00:50:24.680 loads of water which would be really useful if you're in the asteroid belt salty water does it

00:50:29.160 have space houthis houthis yeah space space houthis yeah you described it as

00:50:36.480 Saudi Arabia oh I see okay the guys with the tea towel on their head that blow up

00:50:41.160 shipping I mean it might do the carries is that that thing where a few years

00:50:44.880 back we got some good images of it and it looked like there was like lights

00:50:48.000 wasn't there remember that no I don't remember that there were lights in the

00:50:52.220 middle of one of the or more than one of the big craters or carries they're gonna

00:50:56.520 choose space cat and it sort of looked like um there was uh like maybe some sort of alien mining

00:51:07.240 or ancient long abandoned alien mining operation on caries which is which is the biggest everyone

00:51:13.320 doesn't know it's the biggest asteroid isn't it in the asteroid belt um but we know now it's was

00:51:18.680 Was it aliens?

00:51:19.800 No.

00:51:20.260 Oh, okay.

00:51:20.800 It's almost certainly frozen...

00:51:23.320 Maybe next time it was...

00:51:24.680 Salts, salts.

00:51:26.560 Look, you can see there they're talking about...

00:51:29.420 Anyway, there's quite a lot of resources, it seems like,

00:51:32.360 on carries that could be used for making...

00:51:33.900 I'd best press through. 0.96

00:51:35.500 Jupiter, the Russia of the future, 0.57

00:51:38.800 lots of hydrocarbons, basically.

00:51:41.480 On its moon?

00:51:42.200 Not Jupiter itself, you can't land on...

00:51:43.480 No, actual Jupiter.

00:51:44.800 You can't land on Jupiter.

00:51:46.220 Well, no, I'm not...

00:51:46.860 Oh, sorry, what are you saying?

00:51:47.780 You've got land there, but you can scoop up the hydrocarbons or the hydrogen.

00:51:52.400 There's that.

00:51:53.480 I won't spend long on that one since we're running out of time.

00:51:56.660 Io, there we go.

00:51:57.600 Moon or Jupiter, that's probably more interesting.

00:52:00.760 Bit volcanic.

00:52:02.080 I was going to say, Io is a true hell.

00:52:03.440 If I think Venus, I argue Venus is like a hellish landscape.

00:52:07.700 Io is truly like a hell.

00:52:11.360 You wouldn't want to go to Io.

00:52:13.040 Isn't this where Obi-Wan was fighting Anakin?

00:52:15.660 Was it?

00:52:15.880 Yes, it's almost exactly like that.

00:52:17.780 it's almost in fact they probably filmed it on location there because it's it's kind of what

00:52:22.080 kind of just massively irradiated just a volcano world but lots of useful materials true so if you

00:52:29.060 were going to if you're going to do a bit of mining and then ship it somewhere that that's

00:52:32.960 probably not that's probably not a particularly bad jcb yeah you might not you might use a space

00:52:39.360 jcb which i didn't have time to envisage but but that that's viable right europa uh another moon

00:52:47.160 jupiter but you can tell them that you might have life yeah i wrote an article a long time ago yes

00:52:54.600 on lotus.com called uh what's i called it something like the promise of europa or something

00:52:59.320 it it's one of the it's one of the two or three spots where we think there might might i mean it's

00:53:03.960 an ice moon uh you know and it may just be that under the crust is an ocean of liquid water and

00:53:13.720 there may be at the bottom of those oceans hydrothermal vents because we know europa is

00:53:19.120 being both tidal forces being crushed and squeezed by uh it's not perfectly circular

00:53:25.080 under the ocean and therefore life is possible yeah and so on hydrothermal vents at the bottom

00:53:31.440 of earth oceans where there's no sun but there's loads of systems around oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:53:36.500 i'm hoping for space whales but at least space worms would be interesting because it's

00:53:42.000 independently evolved life it would show kind of so i'm putting this one down as a sort of

00:53:47.000 antarctica stroke i like it because it has ice it reminds me of mr freeze you love mr freeze yes

00:53:54.580 it's just fine it's just funny but i'm thinking this is a nice to see you as a good sort of

00:53:59.840 biotech type world with a bit with a bit of alien research uh shoved in there you're thinking of

00:54:04.720 actual underwater like biospheres permanent permanently human manned yeah that's crazy

00:54:10.460 Maybe 100,000 years from now, maybe.

00:54:14.120 Yeah, I don't want to set it in stone right now,

00:54:15.860 but I was thinking more surface-level stuff

00:54:17.620 with the occasional submarine trip down

00:54:19.480 to have a look at the space worms.

00:54:21.020 Can I ask you a question about the tier list you have?

00:54:24.240 Yes.

00:54:25.160 In which planet can people find the best cannons?

00:54:29.400 Probably Venus, I'd say. 0.99

00:54:31.000 Venus is generally best for everything.

00:54:32.440 Okay, then Venus has my vote.

00:54:33.980 Yes. 1.00

00:54:34.740 Sweet cannons.

00:54:36.200 Gany me.

00:54:38.340 I'm putting this one down

00:54:40.000 as as the china of space right because you're probably not going to want to be doing a lot

00:54:47.040 of manufacturing on io you're gonna have you're gonna need you're gonna need somewhere where you

00:54:51.220 can bring stuff to which is relatively stable uh yet has enough ingredients to basically support

00:54:57.720 your basic infrastructure um so not necessarily somewhere that produces a lot of stuff itself

00:55:02.820 but is good at the manufacturing and actually when you look at it like this that the jovian

00:55:07.200 system is almost certainly going to be the the capital of the solar system going forward

00:55:11.920 probably you've got everything you need the king of the solar system there may be they think maybe

00:55:17.520 there's uh subsurface oceans on ganymede as well but yeah it's interesting uh it's like uh i think

00:55:24.240 if it's some sort of manufacturing hub or that it's uh could be like an adeptus mechanicus type

00:55:29.600 world again if you're going beyond jupiter beyond the jovian system it would probably be ganymede

00:55:35.840 would be the most obvious sort of travel hub for that um yeah i'll be i think i think i think

00:55:44.640 beyond the asteroid belt or probably the first moon where if there's any sort of human presence

00:55:50.400 semi-permanent or permanent human presence in jupiter's system it almost certainly be on

00:55:55.120 ganymede i would have thought right um callisto right i see this as being the sort of new york

00:56:03.120 city or london of the future right because because we've established right jupiter is going to be the

00:56:09.380 the the main economic zone of the solar system right so where are you going to want to have

00:56:14.300 your capital where are you going to have you want to have your best people the bosses well they're

00:56:17.780 going to be one as far they were going to want to be on the premier world as far away from the

00:56:21.380 radiation of jupiter as possible all right the decent size world um yet you can still do you

00:56:28.800 artificial gravity with a with with not much complication on that right stick it on callisto

00:56:36.100 isn't callisto even though it's much further away than io much like io in the sense that it's

00:56:42.500 another hell world full of volcanoes well i mean there's it there is just google callisto isn't it

00:56:48.520 like to feel like full up with volcanoes right isn't it i always think of io as being that

00:56:54.840 IO's that on steroids. I'm saying it won't be quite as bad as IO, but...

00:56:59.040 Is Callisto full of volcanic activity... volcanoes?

00:57:03.040 Yes.

00:57:05.640 I got that, haven't I?

00:57:07.440 Can we build a HQ there?

00:57:09.440 No, Callisto is not full of volcanoes. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

00:57:13.840 It's one of the most geologically dead and inactive bodies of the entire solar system.

00:57:20.140 That's what I thought.

00:57:21.640 No, no, no, I'm confusing.

00:57:23.340 i'm confusing please stay with one of the other ones then i was worried you'd spot a major flaw

00:57:27.500 in my thinking but but no what i was thinking into this nice and far away from the radiation

00:57:31.980 nice and stable a premier location that's where all the hq that's where all the finance goes this

00:57:37.980 is going to be the capital of jupiter in the future which is going to be like the capital

00:57:41.180 of the solar system okay so so i like it for that uh what else we got oh titan is a very cool one

00:57:48.700 so we move we've moved to saturn now okay but titan is super cool uh because it's got a it's

00:57:54.860 got a low gravity like there we go 14 of earth and it's got a thick enough atmosphere and the

00:58:01.740 combination of the thick atmosphere and the low gravity means it's actually quite simple to fly

00:58:09.260 even with like a wing suit just flapping your arms gravity is low enough and the and the

00:58:14.140 atmosphere is high enough it would be not not quite like i mean it'd be it'd be awesome and

00:58:20.140 that is full of uh resources isn't it methane and ethane loads of methane like uh whole oceans of

00:58:26.380 methane and ethane and all sorts of stuff yeah and there might and also there is a lot of thinking

00:58:31.180 that there's life there i mean it's a bit disappointing because if there is life there

00:58:34.540 it's going to be like single-celled paper-like organisms floating on the surface of these methane

00:58:38.860 lakes it won't be complex life no it's it's it's gonna be like very big but single-celled flat

00:58:45.500 paperish organisms floating around on the surface so you can't have a chat with him or anything i

00:58:49.100 think that maybe again it will probably be beyond the year 3036 but at some point there might be

00:58:53.980 titan might be an outpost for humanity at some point it's also it's also the only other place

00:58:59.740 in the solar system you can have a barbecue no you can right would you want to though next to

00:59:05.100 an ocean of methane well is that a good idea are you not tempting so on earth you've already got

00:59:12.700 the oxygen but you need the fuel um and you like you like your fuel and the oxygen supplies it

00:59:19.060 whereas on on titan it's the other way around you've got fuel everywhere you can just pick up

00:59:22.700 a frozen chunk of methane and you need to then i mean you still need to light it but then you need

00:59:27.700 to supply the oxygen as opposed to as opposed to the other way around but you could have a barbecue

00:59:31.960 there or you could fly to a nice spot land pick up some methane light it with your supplying your

00:59:39.100 oxygen and have a barbecue if you really wanted to have you ever wondered what would happen if

00:59:43.500 there was a use at the shore of an ocean of methane and you just like lit a zippo well you

00:59:49.400 don't have any oxygen all right okay you could actually yeah you could also supply a lake's

00:59:55.340 worth of oxygen it would be really really bad okay but if you didn't do that you'd probably be fine

01:00:00.760 so that's that's a fun one so that that could be like also like a saudi arabia of the future

01:00:06.440 because it's all those it's got all that all that methane all those resources plus also it's a cool

01:00:11.060 place to hang out because you can go flying at the weekend i do think this like titan chemicals

01:00:15.960 inc might be a thing in the future yeah yes yes i'm accurately predicting exactly what the future

01:00:22.120 is is going to be like here um enceladurs right that is going to have to be the agricultural

01:00:28.760 superpower so like the france or the netherlands of the future um the reason being is it's got a

01:00:34.860 lot of the basic resources that you need it's got a lot of the water um and and assuming you

01:00:39.600 get a bit of fusion going you've got all the energy that you need um but the really key thing

01:00:45.160 is that it's got something which is actually quite you're quite serious short or everywhere

01:00:49.920 else which is phosphorus and it just sort of gushes out the surface well and sell this is

01:00:57.000 interesting tweet i did a tweet just the other day about enceladus literally like at the weekend was

01:01:00.660 it or at the end of last week talking about enceladus because other than europa it's the

01:01:05.120 place they think possibly most likely to harbor life like right now for exactly the same more

01:01:10.220 or less the same reasons as europa that there's it's a it's an ice world isn't it ice moon and

01:01:15.560 uh there may well be oceans underneath that crust and at the bottom of those oceans hydrothermal

01:01:20.460 vents again yes and if we don't find them on europa then they may well be on enceladus so

01:01:25.820 might be space worms there or space whales or something yeah possibly it won't be like

01:01:31.020 crustaceans yeah it won't be like the captain kirk meeting the princess type of encounter

01:01:35.100 they're unlikely unlikely to be hot with sweet cannons yeah i'm afraid serious i'm afraid but

01:01:41.180 great agricultural world that right um uranus um i beg your pardon insert jokes here don't be so

01:01:48.940 Foul, Daniel.

01:01:51.160 Oh, Uranus.

01:01:52.600 I'm sorry.

01:01:54.220 Oh, you pronounce it like that, do you?

01:01:56.380 Again, lots of hydrogen that would be useful,

01:01:58.700 and it's probably easier to skim off than it would be on Jupiter

01:02:01.760 because the gravity well isn't so bad.

01:02:03.540 But anyway, that's boring.

01:02:05.840 Triton, that's like the Falklands Isle.

01:02:08.860 That's like the last stopping point before you go off the edge.

01:02:12.360 It's also a cold planet.

01:02:13.180 What?

01:02:13.800 It's very cold.

01:02:15.720 That's a moon of Neptune, right?

01:02:17.620 Yes.

01:02:17.880 maybe a good place

01:02:19.060 for data centres

01:02:19.880 because your calling

01:02:22.380 is done for you there

01:02:23.400 yeah I mean

01:02:25.700 it's just

01:02:26.280 you're going out there

01:02:27.280 for the sake of it

01:02:28.080 at that point

01:02:28.680 aren't you

01:02:29.100 yes

01:02:29.560 exploration for its own sake

01:02:31.400 which man has always done

01:02:33.240 best

01:02:34.200 it's one of our greatest

01:02:34.880 traits isn't it

01:02:35.580 well maybe in a thousand years

01:02:36.480 time we are launching

01:02:37.320 generation ships

01:02:38.160 off into the distance

01:02:38.960 so this will be like

01:02:39.940 the last stopping point

01:02:41.080 right

01:02:41.380 okay on the way out

01:02:42.560 yeah

01:02:42.760 on the way out

01:02:43.660 you have to stop here

01:02:44.560 make sure you've bought

01:02:46.020 everything you want to buy

01:02:46.880 from the shop

01:02:47.400 because the service station is going to be a very long way.

01:02:50.580 And I should give an honourable mention as well to Psych.

01:02:55.300 Psych.

01:02:57.980 What is that?

01:02:58.680 Is that another moon of Neptune?

01:03:01.520 Is it?

01:03:01.720 No, this is, again, an asteroid.

01:03:06.020 Oh, it's in the asteroid belt.

01:03:07.120 It's in the main belt.

01:03:08.120 But this is like Mercury on steroids.

01:03:10.580 It's just, like, expensive metals all the way through.

01:03:14.420 so it's it's like the congo if they had all of the rare earth metals and all of the metals

01:03:21.820 just in one place it is quite i mean it's small but still the tonnage there is more than you would

01:03:29.520 need to to have a population of a quadrillion in the in the solar system i feel like the future of

01:03:35.020 man's exploration of the solar system is largely to plunder it for resources yes largely what

01:03:43.120 we're going to do that's a great place to start because the gravity is nice and low so the problem 0.97

01:03:49.660 mercury right is if as you said is a pain in the ass to get there and you still have got to deal 0.96

01:03:55.180 with a bit of a gravity well getting up and down with psych you're just you're just there like no 0.98

01:04:00.300 no problem getting off that so that's that's where you go to then build all the rest of you

01:04:04.680 all the rest of your infrastructure you talked about triton but you're not interested in pluto

01:04:09.160 is that right is this pluto be the last stop well i've only got i've only got like a 25 million

01:04:15.120 i've gone over now and that and that's why i didn't put pluto on there because i thought

01:04:19.120 there's lots of options i mean there's actually quite a few worlds is this coruscant in the

01:04:22.460 making because says high paying careers in metallurgy robotics and megastructure constructions

01:04:28.660 one of the wealthiest industrial centers in the asteroid belt did you ai generate all of these

01:04:34.780 then yeah i told them i told them what i wanted them to say but i got them to put them together

01:04:40.220 uh so there you go um so the key point is i mean i didn't i didn't fill out fill out every single

01:04:45.900 uh planet on the tier list but that that is more we we're agreed now aren't we venus is a better

01:04:51.660 option no right well we do another segment in another two years then in two years time i'll

01:04:56.700 do a pro mars segment yeah you know um was it two or one year was it yes apparently two years ago

01:05:06.140 imagine how old we're going to look in the next one if if we're old now we might be it's going

01:05:11.820 to be great yours is going to be pure white yes like gandalf the white we'll all be bald at that

01:05:17.900 point all right um stick or so is donating so stellios can have another tie hapsification um

01:05:24.140 white americans are indigenous to the moon yeah the founding stock of the moon who's it going to

01:05:29.600 be so i'm going to be like anglo protestants that's a random name it says uh sulfuric acid

01:05:35.880 doesn't smell oh there we go the rotten egg odor is added uh by us so we know there's a leak oh

01:05:41.500 there we go so venus won't actually stink yeah that is trash i've heard that i don't know if

01:05:45.700 that's true yeah because i've been don't volcanoes and the sulfur coming out of volcanoes smell like

01:05:51.600 rotten eggs maybe they add it to volcanoes too in bath there's um there's like a natural spring

01:05:56.940 and the water comes out and it's sulfur rich and that smells like eggs did they add the smell i

01:06:01.540 don't know if that's true i'm gonna i'm gonna look that up now yeah yeah i'm not saying you're wrong

01:06:05.100 by the way i'm not sure about that space tape says space travel has to be the most extreme version of

01:06:10.180 taking a long walk for a short drink of water i could put all the effort into getting to mars but

01:06:14.780 i could just stay at rocks here on earth yeah that that's why my whole premise was you know

01:06:18.480 the earth is overpopulated

01:06:20.820 and therefore you need to get the hell off

01:06:22.680 in the future 0.92

01:06:24.900 awesome

01:06:26.280 Logan Pine says what's even worse about

01:06:28.760 1804 California you would have to live 0.99

01:06:30.800 under an intellectual Spanish administration

01:06:33.220 Cookie Boy says

01:06:34.720 Dan's assuming there's not somebody already out there

01:06:36.680 who's beaten us to it

01:06:37.820 that's a random name says Venus has

01:06:40.700 ionosphere

01:06:42.460 it's closer and much easier

01:06:44.880 to terraform indeed

01:06:46.480 Anne Stiglestone says that

01:06:47.800 I mean everybody is coming out for Venus these days

01:06:50.680 It's not easier to terraform than Mars

01:06:52.840 That's not true, that's crazy

01:06:54.420 Well I mean, okay, that's the next segment

01:06:56.560 I've been doing in two years time

01:06:57.840 Is why Venus is also easier to colonise 0.90

01:07:00.120 I'll get into it later 0.78

01:07:02.820 Right, Anne Stiglestone says

01:07:04.000 Indian space colonisation programme

01:07:06.200 Colonies around Pupita 0.93

01:07:07.680 Chatern and Huto 0.99

01:07:10.560 There you go 1.00

01:07:13.380 Okay

01:07:14.820 all right wait and just let me uh get my notes up one second here okay

01:07:21.360 okay gents let's talk about armistice day so we're recording this on the 10th but it's going

01:07:31.360 to go out on youtube tomorrow which is the 11th which is armistice day so i thought we'll talk

01:07:36.420 all about it in the past i've done uh long form content here on lotus eaters.com do consider

01:07:42.500 signing up for as little as five pound a month bronze team membership there you go an old video

01:07:46.100 it's one of the much earlier epochs where long form content just talk about the end of world war

01:07:51.060 one i'll talk about the battles of uh 1918. can i use this because there's so many links

01:07:58.260 what one is it is it the middle ones or the left buttons i think you i can use it if you want do

01:08:03.300 you want me go next oh that's all right i got it i've also done a fair few poems for uh around

01:08:09.620 to Armistice Day. I did In Flanders Fields by John McRae one year. I read

01:08:18.660 I read Suicide in the Trenches, isn't that by Siegfried Sassoon? Yeah. To Any Dead Officer by

01:08:25.940 Siegfried Sassoon. Okay, just a four-part series with Apostolic Majesty all about the origins of

01:08:31.860 World War I. I'm fascinated by World War I, always have been, because when we talk about Armistice Day

01:08:36.180 That's specifically the armistice of World War I.

01:08:40.960 So let's talk about it.

01:08:42.500 I think it's a really, really interesting thing.

01:08:46.460 How did World War I come to an end?

01:08:48.700 Why do we have Armistice Day?

01:08:50.820 What is it all about?

01:08:51.880 What is the actual historical facts, the historical detail about it all?

01:08:56.060 How did Germany come to lose?

01:08:58.800 Why even is there that narrative that Germany was stabbed in the back?

01:09:04.520 All those sorts of questions.

01:09:06.020 all those sorts of things i think it's interesting we could spend a few minutes talking about it

01:09:09.380 couldn't we today if you're watching this on the 11th it should be is it true that many um austro

01:09:16.900 hungarian troops were told by the radio and their authorities that they were winning the war

01:09:21.620 and then when news of loss and surrender came they were completely um shocked maybe for some

01:09:29.940 people not really okay because i've heard this in some books austria hungarian yeah okay well

01:09:36.980 they had sort of a crazy war with the italians didn't they the austro-hungarians and the italians

01:09:43.940 had sort of a crazy war i don't think there would be many people by the end of it that didn't know 0.94

01:09:48.900 that there was a stupid a crazy stalemate if you think the western front was a stalemate the stalemate 0.98

01:09:55.700 between the Italians and the Austro-Hungarians was even more insane. Multiple, multiple battles 0.99

01:10:00.880 over the exact same bit of ground. Was it the Osonzo River or something around there? Anyway.

01:10:05.320 Anyway, so by 1918, a lot has changed. Russia is obviously out of the war. The Tsarist regime

01:10:15.940 has fallen. The Bolsheviks have taken over. Russia's out of the war. So there's no more 0.96

01:10:21.220 Ostfront. There's no more Eastern Front as far as the Germans are concerned. And where

01:10:25.380 the Americans have come into the war, under Woodrow Wilson, the Germans make the calculation,

01:10:31.020 Ludendorff, Eric von Ludendorff makes the calculation, that this is the Germans' window

01:10:36.120 of time to win the war in the West. They've already won, in inverted commas, on the Eastern

01:10:41.480 Front. There's a treaty of Brest-Litovsk, where Trotsky and the Bolsheviks just give 0.89

01:10:46.120 the Germans everything they want, really. He can now swap 40-odd divisions from the 0.84

01:10:52.220 east over to the west and before the americans turn up before the yankee doughboys turn up in 0.94

01:10:57.820 any real force perhaps they can do a breakthrough get to paris and win the whole bloody shebang in

01:11:04.380 one go in in the beginning of 1918 that's their calculation and that's what they try i'm a lot

01:11:11.060 less clear on why germany lost the first world war a lot a lot less clear on that because and

01:11:17.020 there was that painter chap who later on was like he took it hard didn't he yeah he was convinced

01:11:22.940 that they got it but they got betrayed because it's like okay well it wasn't obvious why they

01:11:27.420 lost well they were defeated on the battlefield right they were the idea that they weren't 0.81

01:11:32.700 defeated and it was just some civilian cowards that gave in no they were defeated we'll get into

01:11:37.260 it i mean not 100 defeated like they were in 1945 yes not that level but well this is exactly what

01:11:43.500 want to talk about okay how did we get to that armistice on the 11th of the 11th 1918 you just

01:11:48.380 freed up 40 divisions i mean that's quite a lot for the first time since 1914 that gave the germans

01:11:53.420 the numerical advantage on the western front right they talked about it how uh from the german side

01:11:58.940 they talked about how finally the tuton the german will have both his shield arm and his

01:12:04.060 sword arm for the first time on the western front and that's going to be undefeatable we're gonna

01:12:08.540 we're totally gonna win now but we've got to do it before the americans turn up to the tune of 0.61

01:12:13.660 like a million more men you have to do it like straight away so in the spring of 1918 the germans

01:12:21.340 go on the offensive they're called the the spring offensive or the ludendorff offensives or sometimes

01:12:27.260 the kaiser strakt the kaiser's battle the emperor's battle and it really was four five five different

01:12:34.780 punches five different five different operations um to try and break through problem is at that

01:12:44.460 point in time it's much much easier much much better to be on the defensive at different

01:12:50.380 points in time in military history it's better to uh be on the defensive or on the offensive

01:12:57.580 right yeah so at the beginning of the 20th century it's just much much better much much

01:13:03.980 more efficient to be talking about the epoch in general the technology of the time yeah yeah i

01:13:08.700 see it favors the defense a lot more a lot more so it's not like the germans have never done any

01:13:16.300 offensives on the west the verdun the battle of verdun is effectively a german offensive

01:13:22.060 it's just very very difficult to break through especially when the other side's got sort of

01:13:28.220 defense in depth many many many many layers of of trenches and defenses uh but okay ludendorff

01:13:35.900 decides who by that point 1918 is basically the military dictator of germany they've still got

01:13:40.760 the kaiser he's still the king or emperor but he's not actually calling the shots in terms of policy

01:13:47.700 he's certainly not calling the shots militarily it's all on ludendorff and his calculation is

01:13:53.680 we're going to have a few big last shots we'll break through to paris like it's 1870 1871

01:14:00.500 hopefully we'll have some big decisive battles like the battle of sedan in 1871 and we'll get

01:14:06.160 to paris and we'll win we'll win the war well that's what they tried the ludendorff offensive 0.90

01:14:11.820 the kaiser attack the the spring offensive with the germ they start in march towards the end of

01:14:16.540 march 1918 and they bogged down more or less exactly the same way all allied offensive bog

01:14:24.040 bogged down in world war one you can get you can plan for the first few hours the first few days

01:14:29.980 and then and then your plans sort of go out the window and it's way harder than you think

01:14:34.500 way harder than you think so why is there such an advantage for defense is it because they have

01:14:39.700 trenches but the artillery isn't good enough yet there's no there's there's whole books written

01:14:44.920 about the answer to that question right so there's just a myriad of reasons a myriad of reasons

01:14:50.600 but you've never sum it up in a sentence gosh i would say

01:14:57.640 well the first thing that sprung to my mind and is one of dozens and dozens and dozens of aspects

01:15:02.840 is the machine gun you got two three guys with like a vicar's water cooled machine gun

01:15:09.560 and you're going to try and charge that with just men that aren't wearing bulletproof armor

01:15:15.500 all right it's difficult okay so they're waiting for armor personnel carriers to be invented

01:15:22.180 well we've got they've got tanks haven't they yeah but they're a bit rubbish yeah i've got a

01:15:27.320 picture of a tank there you go look at that yeah but that that's a german era tank i can't see that

01:15:32.940 bouncing across a field like a crew of 18 and goes like five mile an hour at best and in fact if it

01:15:39.900 does still get hit with a shell it still gets blown up and in fact it's quite dangerous to be

01:15:44.220 in it even if it's raked by machine gun fire right so you're better yeah right there's there's so

01:15:49.980 many reasons why it's difficult to uh win an offensive in world war one when the other side

01:15:58.460 is used to, they've got all their tactics worked out. So the Germans decided, Ludendorff

01:16:03.160 thought, that we'll have special tactics, shock troops. We've learnt from everything

01:16:08.240 the Allies have done over the last four years. We've seen all their mistakes. When we do 0.97

01:16:14.480 it, when we go on the offensive, we're going to do it right. We're Germans, we're going

01:16:18.380 to be efficient, we're going to do everything just so. And he tried to micromanage it.

01:16:23.160 and there's like operation michael operation georgette and they each punch was weaker than

01:16:30.000 the last and they got relatively close to paris relatively close does that win it if they get to

01:16:36.900 paris well perhaps that's what won it in 1870 1871 right it may well be yeah quite possibly

01:16:47.140 that was the thinking anyway would it have actually done would france have just moved

01:16:52.560 their capital to like Lyon or somewhere and carried on maybe who knows the idea was that if

01:16:58.800 at the very least this if the Germans of Ludendorff can push between the British army which is fifth

01:17:04.480 army and the French armies the British armies are much more up in Belgium and Flanders

01:17:09.280 towards the coast there if he could break between them then maybe the cohesion of the whole western

01:17:15.440 front is broken and they can get again they can get through to Paris who have open warfare again

01:17:20.680 And it looked like it very nearly did it, in fact.

01:17:22.600 Very, very nearly did it.

01:17:24.980 But the French and the English decided we would stand, make a stand at Amiens. 0.56

01:17:31.320 And we would stop the German onslaught at Amiens. 0.75

01:17:34.460 And they just about did it. 0.98

01:17:36.480 Just about did it.

01:17:38.720 And pushed back. 0.54

01:17:40.320 And then the Germans ran out of steam.

01:17:41.740 Just like the Nivelle Offensive in 1917.

01:17:44.720 Just like the Somme Offensive in 1916.

01:17:47.160 They ran out of steam.

01:17:49.760 The idea that they'll have these new tactics, these new shock troops, storm troops,

01:17:54.140 flamethrowers, the whole nine yards. 0.99

01:17:55.640 When the Germans do it, they're going to do it right. 1.00

01:17:58.520 No, it didn't happen. 1.00

01:18:01.400 It didn't work.

01:18:01.900 And so, by August, the Allies do a counter-offensive.

01:18:08.660 So, like, the 8th of August is considered sort of the black day for the German army in World War I.

01:18:13.900 It's like the higher watermark.

01:18:15.600 Well, it's not even the higher watermark.

01:18:16.800 But by August 1918, the Allies have not only stopped the German offensive, but they're ready to do counter-offensives, and the Germans are so exhausted at that point that the Allied counter-offensives into August, September, October are, it spells the defeat of the German army in the field.

01:18:38.960 they were they had lost they had lost in the field to the point where by a sort

01:18:44.360 of October 1918 you get examples of whole German units surrendering to one

01:18:51.680 guy because they'd given up their morale was broken on the home front they were

01:18:56.500 broken they were being starved after the Battle of the Jutland there was a big

01:18:59.280 blockade of the northern German ports even in the winter of 1916 to 1917 the

01:19:05.660 germans called the turnip winter so by late 1918 the home front is broken they're they're broken

01:19:14.440 in the field they are i mean by that that painter guy insisting that no actually we could have won

01:19:23.240 if we just stuck it out a bit if somebody had just sat him down and said no actually

01:19:27.240 you you were beaten fair and square it could have avoided a lot of hassle later on

01:19:31.840 maybe yeah somebody should have done that they were they were beaten in the field

01:19:36.780 the german high command wouldn't have surrendered otherwise it is um it is it is not true that if

01:19:44.000 the germans had just tried harder in november 1918 they could have stuck it out no they were

01:19:49.960 they were defeated somebody should have sent a memo around to the corporals i mean by november

01:19:54.500 1918 you know like austria-hungary has already been knocked out of the war bulgaria has been

01:20:00.180 knocked out of the war um the ottoman empire is knocked out of the war germany sort of standing

01:20:05.320 alone at that point against an ally the allies who were just beginning to have the sort of endless

01:20:13.260 men and material supplied by the united states germany were had lost they had lost so it's a bit

01:20:19.860 off topic and it might be something you can't answer in a sentence or two so feel free to dismiss

01:20:26.080 if you want to get back to your core theme but but why the hell did we need to be involved in

01:20:30.780 this war i've got a whole long form bit of content with godfrey bloom about that right if you're

01:20:36.260 interested yeah yeah there are whole books written about that we could have should have perhaps not

01:20:42.100 been involved at all like 1870 this war more than anything was the one that broke us it's a

01:20:47.800 catastrophe for all of europe and i've never figured out why we needed to be involved well

01:20:53.960 the russian empire the russian monarchy fell the austro-hungarian empire ultimately fell

01:20:57.820 the german empire was lost the british empire was broken yes yeah but but who made that decision

01:21:04.540 because i i don't know i think that was a bad move well the liberal government oh the lord grey

01:21:11.240 right edward grey the foreign secretary at the time but it wasn't just him it wasn't just him

01:21:16.320 the cabinet the liberal cabinet of the time yes asquith churchill oh of course of course

01:21:23.700 the cabinet the government of the time they decided that we promised belgium their neutrality

01:21:27.940 we promised that if anyone if anyone did any aggression against belgium we would help them out

01:21:33.300 but there's much more to it is there's much much more to it than just belgium and collapsing it's

01:21:37.620 to do with the power the balance of power in the whole world but that's i've got again question

01:21:43.700 could it be that a doctrine of british foreign policy is we don't want a major force in continental

01:21:52.660 europe a dominant force there and they felt that they had to enter the war well because if they

01:21:58.020 didn't there would be such a thing as a dominant power in continental europe well yeah i've got a

01:22:05.140 four-part series there with apostolic majesty which are long form so hours and hours and hours

01:22:09.060 of just me and am talking about it there's many many books about it but it's about the power

01:22:14.180 struggle in the world or in europe there are two giant blocks right you've got the you've got the

01:22:20.500 entente cordiale between russia france and britain and the and the the other powers austria hungary

01:22:29.680 and germany largely and the ottomans and they're just two giant power blocks but it suggests to

01:22:36.640 me that next time there's two big power blocks having a barney we're probably better off saying

01:22:42.700 right you guys get on with it well that's what happened in 1870 the franco-prussian war of 1870

01:22:48.240 71 right bismarck versus napoleon iii where the france and germany went to war with each other

01:22:55.680 and in that one britain could have got involved in that 1914 style we decided just to just to

01:23:01.040 now we're just going to watch this one and and did it cost us immensely to stay out of it no

01:23:05.840 not at all no right so when germany just beat france real quick and it was over with so when

01:23:10.880 we stay out of it it doesn't cost us anything and when we get involved it costs us everything yeah

01:23:15.440 okay yeah right so okay the counter-offensives um after the after the ludendorf offensive the

01:23:23.800 kaiser schluck i'm probably pronouncing that incorrectly um meant that ultimately germany

01:23:28.160 were defeated they were defeated in the field um got some images here of those shock troops

01:23:35.380 they thought the the flamethrower would be of particular

01:23:39.060 brilliance in clearing trenches and it was to some degree there they are but historians have

01:23:47.640 looked back on it and they had a small window of time when they might have been able to win

01:23:52.520 on the western front but after it petered out by august the writing was on the wall ludendorff has

01:23:59.320 over the course of september october has a type of breakdown they realized the writings on the

01:24:05.760 I mean, in the end, Ludendorff resigns, the Kaiser abdicates, the Kaiser abdicates a few days before the Armistice Day, and the idea that the Austrian painter had, that if we just tried harder, no, by the 11th of November 1918, the German government, by that point, civilian government, they're a republic now, they're no longer a monarchy, there's no more Kaiser,

01:24:35.400 so they're a republic now, that government had no choice really but to surrender, but

01:24:41.060 to sign an armistice, because otherwise the Allied armies could or would have just marched

01:24:47.680 into Germany then.

01:24:49.060 Are you going to make us march all the way to Berlin like it's 1945?

01:24:52.420 Well, if we have to, yeah, don't you want to sign a peace? 0.67

01:24:55.920 The Germans are like, yeah, okay, we'll sign a peace, yeah. 0.98

01:24:58.060 They did it in this train carriage, this famous train carriage, try and draw it back to armistice, 0.98

01:25:02.980 a bit more specific armistice.

01:25:04.140 alright I'm already running out of time

01:25:06.420 a little bit, you guys went over

01:25:08.540 you stole my time

01:25:09.380 I'm joking, I'm joking anyway 0.99

01:25:11.860 so this is the carriage, this is Foch's carriage

01:25:14.560 the field marshal Ferdinand Foch

01:25:16.600 the head of the French army

01:25:18.460 and by that point the entire allied

01:25:20.640 effort

01:25:21.420 Ferdinand Foch, this was his personal train

01:25:24.440 and they took it to the forest of

01:25:28.380 Compiègne, just

01:25:29.780 north of Paris

01:25:31.500 and they forced them 0.57

01:25:34.320 the Allies basically forced 0.76

01:25:35.960 the Germans

01:25:38.220 to sign an armistice

01:25:40.160 or a ceasefire

01:25:41.620 sort of unconditional as well

01:25:43.860 by that point our terms were

01:25:45.760 the Allies terms were

01:25:47.340 no you just completely surrender unconditionally

01:25:49.820 that's it, we're not giving you any other option

01:25:51.940 now the Germans would not have signed that 0.85

01:25:53.780 if they had really had any other option 0.54

01:25:55.560 the idea that oh we just should have fought on

01:25:58.020 no, that would have been crazy

01:25:59.760 that would have been crazy

01:26:01.160 it was that they had no option really but some people don't believe there'll

01:26:06.980 be some people I'm sure in the comments saying what is Bo talking about I who

01:26:10.580 doesn't know what he's talking about calls himself a historian that's not

01:26:12.740 right that's not true it is true it is true the Germans were broken and the

01:26:18.560 Allies were just becoming stronger and stronger and stronger all right anyway

01:26:23.000 that's that's that's the case there's a photo from the from the from the times

01:26:26.720 from the time um there's a color photo of the same thing there that's what it looked like inside

01:26:35.640 and it was in the wee hours what was it like four five six a.m it was signed and uh they decided

01:26:43.540 that the actual ceasefire moment would be a few hours later four five hours later six hours later

01:26:49.440 at 11 a.m at the stroke 11 a.m on the 11th of november that would would be when world war

01:26:56.540 would come to an end across air sea and land um there's a train now incidentally that's a replica

01:27:05.180 because the original one is was lost it's got an interesting story that exact same train

01:27:10.060 carries a train well it was exactly i believe it was blown up deliberately because you can imagine

01:27:17.900 from a german point of view that train represents failure and loss doesn't it yeah and humiliation

01:27:23.820 so fast forward to 1940 when mr hitler and guderian's tank division panzer divisions

01:27:33.300 do beat france in 1940 hitler's like right when we get the french to sign their capitulation their

01:27:42.040 their are their surrender let's do it in foch's train

01:27:45.920 look there's hitler and the nazis look there's goering there and hess is it that's the exact

01:27:53.840 same train and and hitler sat in fosche's seat just a complete reversal of fortunes

01:27:58.780 it's anyway i bit enjoyed that oh yeah yeah the ultimate humiliation 20 years later

01:28:05.260 yeah a complete reversal yeah you can see how happy hitler looks there

01:28:09.920 so that train has got a particular carriage

01:28:13.760 has got a storied

01:28:15.260 and anyway in the end it was just I think deliberately destroyed

01:28:18.580 anyway the one they've got now that is just a replica of it

01:28:21.820 okay so side note really

01:28:24.860 there's Clemenceau and then after the war

01:28:27.720 after it's been signed

01:28:28.720 the Germans thought they were just signing a ceasefire

01:28:31.600 and the actual details of the peace

01:28:34.480 will be hammered out at a peace conference

01:28:36.300 and it was the Treaty of Versailles

01:28:38.180 but the germans thought that they would get a fair shake a fair deal at least and it wasn't

01:28:46.420 from a german point of view the treaty of assai was a stitch up clemenceau there wanted to squeeze

01:28:52.080 the german lemon until the pips go squeak there he is there this is a french dude isn't it yeah

01:28:58.860 it's the leader of france yeah george clemenceau there and a foch many people said and even

01:29:05.960 Ferdinand Foch said if we treat Germany this badly then this won't be a peace

01:29:10.680 this won't be a war to end all wars this would just be a 20-year armistice yeah

01:29:14.240 well it was perfectly on the money wasn't he nowadays nowadays historians

01:29:17.780 look back and see World War I and World War II was almost one long conflict and

01:29:22.580 there was just a hiatus between them. Were the British being dicks about it just 0.96

01:29:26.060 the way like the French were? Not as bad Clemson was the worst there's the Hall 1.00

01:29:29.600 of Mirrors where they're signing the Treaty of Versailles there's a very very

01:29:32.960 famous uh painting there and is a bit more close up there you can see right in the middle clemenceau

01:29:38.480 with his big tash big white tash and next to him either side of him you've got david lloyd george

01:29:43.440 the english prime minister and woodrow wilson the american president um even closer close up

01:29:50.480 yeah clemenceau was by far the most hawkish hawkish is the right word but you know by far the most

01:29:56.080 uh insisting on super super harsh did he live to see the start of world war

01:30:01.600 two. I don't believe so, no.

01:30:04.060 Right. I don't believe he did.

01:30:05.860 He was boomering. It's a good question, actually. 1.00

01:30:08.040 When did Clemenceau die? I think he died in the

01:30:09.980 interwar years. I think he did. It sounds like he boomered

01:30:12.120 it. He's like, yeah, what we're going to do

01:30:14.260 is we're going to force a peace

01:30:16.440 that obviously isn't a peace, but I

01:30:18.100 won't be around personally, and therefore

01:30:20.200 what do I care? That's not a bad

01:30:22.300 take. Clemenceau

01:30:24.020 boomered it at Versailles. Yes.

01:30:25.940 Yeah.

01:30:27.800 Because he was around. He was a young man. I think he was a junior officer

01:30:30.320 during the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71

01:30:33.700 when the Germans did beat the French entirely, thoroughly.

01:30:38.040 They got to Paris and the Germans forced the French

01:30:40.580 to sign a humiliating treaty at Versailles in 1870. 0.50

01:30:44.100 So now this is Clemenceau.

01:30:45.160 That was a humiliation for the French.

01:30:47.320 In 1919, this is Clemenceau's chance to reverse it all.

01:30:52.500 The way the Germans humiliated us at Versailles in 1872,

01:30:55.560 or wherever it was. 0.99

01:30:56.300 In 1919, this is my chance to do it back to them.

01:30:58.960 this is the thing

01:31:00.820 why I've always found

01:31:02.220 with history

01:31:02.580 as soon as you start

01:31:03.420 digging into it a bit

01:31:04.300 you think I'm going to

01:31:04.880 learn about that thing

01:31:05.680 and then you realise

01:31:07.160 that actually you can't

01:31:08.040 understand that thing

01:31:09.240 without understanding

01:31:09.820 that thing

01:31:10.260 and then you can't

01:31:10.780 understand that thing

01:31:11.740 until you understand

01:31:12.360 that thing

01:31:12.980 and it's just like

01:31:14.740 oh

01:31:15.240 you can't really

01:31:16.860 understand the

01:31:17.480 Franco-Prussian War

01:31:18.120 without getting into

01:31:18.740 Bismarck

01:31:19.280 you can't really

01:31:20.020 understand Bismarck

01:31:20.940 without understanding

01:31:21.760 how peace was made

01:31:23.700 at the end of the

01:31:24.420 Napoleonic era

01:31:25.320 you can't really

01:31:25.960 understand Napoleon

01:31:26.540 properly without the

01:31:27.260 French Revolution

01:31:27.880 you can't really

01:31:28.320 understand the

01:31:28.680 revolution properly yeah yeah looks like we need much more than a segment we're already going half

01:31:36.600 past okay well i'll start rounding up um we have we got things this afternoon we've got a record

01:31:41.800 have we got a political chat samson if we got something wrap it up as soon as possible have

01:31:47.720 i got five minutes are you gonna five minutes okay all right well just quickly then to say

01:31:51.880 uh because it is armistice day this is going out on the 11th so armistice day

01:31:55.960 uh all the memorials and a lost generation right that's the that's the canadian memorial at vimy

01:32:03.820 ridge just war cemeteries i've been some of these war cemeteries that's an allied one of course the

01:32:09.160 german graveyards are even bigger even bigger a lost generation um and not to mention just the

01:32:17.720 war wounded they didn't actually die but they were just terribly wounded and maimed the psychological

01:32:22.540 trauma, the political trauma of it. That's Thiepval. There's so many of them. That's

01:32:35.580 one at Verdun. I mean, the hell and horror of it. That's one in Paddington Station,

01:32:41.480 I think, is particularly, I don't know why that one, obviously it's very small, but that

01:32:47.640 one's particularly touching to me and that's the cenotaph our cenotaph um oh yeah and there's some

01:32:55.240 disgusting invader trying to set fire to the union jack the union flag on the cenotaph

01:33:01.080 absolutely insane anyway that that one didn't get punished though yeah they didn't get a 0.84

01:33:07.140 custodial sentence i don't think did they no you you wrong type of person to get punished in britain

01:33:11.740 the war dead the fallen means less than nothing to them yeah anyway remembrance let's let's

01:33:20.780 remember the war dead on armistice day right i i think we need to go and read some of the comments

01:33:26.680 from our website okay and then uh and then we'll keep the videos for tomorrow because we we can do

01:33:32.820 that right so arizona desert rat says here's my question how can a polish nationalist be pro-russian

01:33:39.760 that's a very good question Diogen is not an interest in military history avoiding eye contact 0.92

01:33:45.760 okay so we're just trying to start a witch hunt against the autists because the boomers are 0.82

01:33:51.260 afraid of Russia and Lord Inquisitor Hector X says he killed the cats too absolutely demonic 0.83

01:33:57.800 let's just say one point real quick there that's a very good point when you just say it like that

01:34:01.480 oh he's a far right according to them a far right Polish nationalist type who's pro-Russian

01:34:08.340 that just doesn't add up

01:34:09.680 that obviously doesn't make any sense 0.93

01:34:11.060 it's ridiculous 0.76

01:34:11.540 Dan do you want to read some of yours 0.98

01:34:13.960 or do you want me to read

01:34:15.080 yeah by all means

01:34:16.080 see hear speak

01:34:17.500 3036 we can do it

01:34:19.480 but we need to think very carefully

01:34:20.920 about who we take

01:34:21.840 and who we leave behind 0.98

01:34:23.000 a board of earth expats 0.99

01:34:25.880 should create a red list

01:34:27.740 Zestikin

01:34:28.720 Dan only wants to go to Venus 1.00

01:34:30.240 for the women

01:34:31.060 and Sam Fletcher 0.96

01:34:34.560 I'm going to live under the ice

01:34:36.220 in the oceans of Europa

01:34:37.940 I don't care if the oceans have xenolife.

01:34:40.980 I'm going with the spirit of a man with a pith helmet and an elephant gun.

01:34:46.580 If Mars is like Australia, does that mean that the Brits are going to send all the prisoners there first?

01:34:52.800 Michael Drabelbo says, always appreciate Bo's various presentations on World War I.

01:34:58.420 Suicide in the trenches still hits in the heart.

01:35:01.320 In the U.S., we call it Veterans Day.

01:35:03.280 Zesty King, Bo, have you watched Nigel Farage's new documentary in the First World War?

01:35:09.280 Oh, I haven't. I would do that. I know Nigel is very interested in World War I. I've seen him before talk about World War I.

01:35:16.280 That's one of his favourite things.

01:35:18.280 And last one by Colin P. I've heard that both the first and last shots of World War I were actually fired in Africa.

01:35:25.280 Is there any truth to this?

01:35:28.280 I mean, it depends.

01:35:31.280 how would you even know it depends how you measure it because there was all sorts of wars

01:35:36.380 particularly in the balkans in the east which were born out of world war one which went on

01:35:40.060 long after 1918 and like is the first shot when was the first shot exactly one what do you mean

01:35:46.140 um you can make sort of arguments like that if you're sort of a bit if you play fast and loose

01:35:51.800 with detail check out beau's work on world war one i thoroughly recommend it right so thank you

01:35:58.900 very much see you tomorrow at 1 p.m.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 10, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1546

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