The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for today, Friday, the 31st of May

00:00:14.360 2024. I am your host Connor, joined by Carl and Harrison, and we will be discussing how

00:00:19.980 the New York Southern District Court has crossed the Rubicon with charging Trump with all felony

00:00:24.100 counts, how I slash we appear to have caused a bit of controversy by talking to Liz Truss and

00:00:30.380 Keir Starmer's Stalinist-style purge of the Labour Party, causing us to fall afoul of

00:00:35.340 minoritarian thinking. Before we start, we're just going to plug the fact that Islander magazine

00:00:40.160 is still available to pre-order. Prints will be fulfilled, I think it's middle of next month.

00:00:45.580 Fantastic. Excellent. Brilliant. So much hard work has been put in by the contributors and Rory doing

00:00:50.620 all the illustrations and the like, so please support this venture. And for those of you who

00:00:53.900 already have, thank you so much. And for those of you who do already support us for £30 a month,

00:00:58.680 again, brilliant, cheers, we do have our monthly gold-tier Zoom call. I believe this will be with

00:01:05.000 Josh and Stelios today, and Beau as well. Oh, wonderful. So all the Beau Simpson chat can go and

00:01:10.360 say exactly what you think of Beau. That will be running from three o'clock until five o'clock, so

00:01:15.860 do be sure to sign up if you want to get in the Zoom queue if you haven't got gold-tier already.

00:01:19.960 So without further ado... Yeah, it seems that the Democrat Party, just as a whole, has decided

00:01:27.700 that the Rubicon should be crossed, and now it seems that the die has been cast, and everything

00:01:33.620 is now an appeal to heaven. Who knows where the issue is going to land? This has not been a terribly

00:01:41.300 wise decision, in my opinion. I mean, you can just see Trump's verdict sheet in the Hashemani case.

00:01:46.360 It's just non-stop. Yes, 34 counts of falsifying business records in 2016 to pay Stormy Daniel's

00:01:55.320 hush money to silence her. Not really a lot to say.

00:02:02.040 Have we got all the details in this case to hand? Because some of the things that are in

00:02:04.640 this are just utterly absurd.

00:02:06.100 There are lots of details. If there's anything you want to pull out immediately...

00:02:09.400 Okay, so about a year ago when the indictment was actually filed, I covered all of this with

00:02:12.940 Stelios. And this should have been, if it were the statute of limitations still applied, but it was well

00:02:18.920 beyond that, a campaign finance violation, if they could prove that Donald Trump had paid it from his

00:02:23.580 campaign finances and had knowledge of this. Trump only signed off on this as a regular reimbursement for

00:02:29.100 legal fees. Michael Coen, that's the other lawyer that nicked all the money. Michael Coen has already

00:02:35.300 testified to the fact that he not only misled Congress, but he paid Stormy Daniels out of his

00:02:39.480 own personal funds here and then wired the money from Trump without Trump having any knowledge.

00:02:43.560 Stormy Daniels already signed an affidavit, a public statement, saying that the affair never

00:02:47.980 happened. Went on Colbert's show to say that it didn't happen. Then went on another show to say that

00:02:51.880 it did happen, that the thing was coerced. So neither of them are credible witnesses.

00:02:55.860 Coen's already been to prison and then was sent back to prison for violating parole.

00:03:00.780 So none of this should make any sense, but he's still been indicted on 34 charges with the judge,

00:03:06.480 not reading the rules to the jury properly and saying you don't have to even agree on the crime.

00:03:10.840 As I recall as well, there were also quite a few real estate tycoons in New York who are aware that

00:03:17.420 precedent is a thing in the law and it does matter. And if you're convicted on 34 counts of falsifying

00:03:23.360 business records, apparently this is what real estate moguls do all of the time, not necessarily

00:03:27.560 completely falsifying records, but I think the main, the particulars of this case are that Trump

00:03:31.740 inflated the value of certain assets.

00:03:34.480 No, this is the other case.

00:03:36.380 This is not the same case.

00:03:38.200 This is a different case, but you are right on that case that all of the real estate moguls in

00:03:42.680 New York are like, well, hang on a second, Trump's business practices are completely normal,

00:03:45.960 which means that we do them as well. And if Trump's in trouble for it, then we're all in trouble for it.

00:03:48.400 And we're going to be in the dock as well.

00:03:49.480 But this is something different because, of course, they have been going after him non-stop.

00:03:54.280 What's interesting are the judges in this. So the judge, as you can see, is very progressive,

00:04:01.440 has a history of donating to progressive projects, shall we say, the subsidiary Stop Trump Organization.

00:04:10.620 So the idea that you might get an impartial or neutral or fair hearing is pretty ridiculous.

00:04:17.400 Same with Prosecutor Alvin Bragg.

00:04:19.140 Yeah.

00:04:19.800 He campaigned on prosecuting Trump. He admitted he won't be under the statute of limitations.

00:04:23.980 His campaign was funded by the Open Society Foundation for a PAC and George Soros' personal

00:04:28.340 family members, two of them, and his own daughter worked for the Kamala Harris campaign.

00:04:31.620 Same with the Attorney General for New York, who was just open about the fact that she was

00:04:36.980 just trying to get Trump. She's very open about this. So you can see that there is an entire

00:04:41.020 infrastructure, a legal infrastructure, that has been targeting Trump because he is Trump.

00:04:46.380 And somehow, they somehow, sorry, I'll get to the next one, they keep getting to do this.

00:04:54.500 So the cases are meant to be randomly assigned, right? But weirdly enough, Justice Juan Manuel

00:05:01.700 Merkin presided over the 2022 tax fraud trial that led to the conviction of Trump Organization's

00:05:08.180 chief financial officer, Alan Weisselberg. And he's also the judge for the fraud and money

00:05:13.120 laundering cases against Steve Bannon. So it's like, interesting, interesting. I'm sure

00:05:18.140 it's all coincidence. I'm sure the dice were just rolled and it just keeps coming up sixes

00:05:22.360 for him every time. And then you get a series of strange events and it's just weird. So

00:05:27.720 this was an ex-judge who went on MSNBC, if you can see the judge there. And I mean, you

00:05:35.740 just listen to it from their own mouth. Yeah, a couple of things did stand out to

00:05:41.080 me. One was that there were a couple of places in the jury instructions where the judge actually

00:05:44.740 pointed the jury to specific pieces of evidence and said, these are pieces of evidence you can

00:05:49.860 consider, for example, in trying to determine whether there were falsified business records.

00:05:55.920 You can look at these bank records. You can look at these invoices. That was a surprise

00:05:59.940 to me because generally jury instructions don't include references to specific pieces of evidence

00:06:06.540 that the judge seems to be pointing the jury to. Those who practice New York law may have

00:06:11.360 some other take on this, but that was a little bit of a surprise. I guess the other thing,

00:06:16.840 you know, I actually have served on a criminal jury, even though I was a former prosecutor and

00:06:21.560 actually even though I was a former judge. And one thing that I came away from that experience

00:06:26.680 was thinking was that juries, they really do try to follow the law. I think they try to do what

00:06:33.360 they're saying. I'm beginning to think that the portrait artist in this is sympathetic to Trump.

00:06:39.440 He looks quite cool in all of these, doesn't he? This is one of the interesting things that's

00:06:43.100 come out about this. But I mean, that itself should be enough to say, well, the judge is obviously

00:06:48.220 trying to prejudice the jury. He's, I mean, he's literally saying, look, you need to consider

00:06:52.920 this. You need to consider that. And of course there were other irregularities. For example,

00:06:57.900 the judge just deciding that they could convict on some parts of it. And if they had unanimous

00:07:05.080 decisions on some parts, then it would count towards the whole, which is very unusual. But again,

00:07:10.640 I'm not a legal scholar or anything like that. So I'll let other people dictate the irregularities.

00:07:18.520 But again, if an ex-judge can go on MSNBC and say, well, hang on a second, this is a bit

00:07:23.480 odd, then obviously there's some sorts of shenanigans going on. But that's not really

00:07:28.740 what we need to focus on that. I mean, Ben Shapiro's coverage, I always find Ben Shapiro

00:07:34.260 actually a really reliable commentator on Trump because, and I've said this before, you can

00:07:38.400 tell that Ben, a fairly small, diminutive academic man, doesn't like the big brashness of Trump

00:07:46.760 on a personal level, but he's also someone who hates the Democrats.

00:07:50.640 And he is trained in law.

00:07:51.540 And he's trained in law. So Ben Shapiro is personally adverse to Trump, but he also hates

00:07:58.860 the other side more. So he gives an actually a really good and fair balanced account of

00:08:02.820 when Trump has done something right and when Trump has done something wrong. And I mean,

00:08:07.240 you can see from his take, well, this is unbelievable and should never have happened. Trump himself,

00:08:13.440 of course, is not happy, but I mean, you know, nice Trump statement. Not only did this highly

00:08:18.540 conflicted biased judge, it seems to be totally true, prevent me from presenting the fact I

00:08:23.120 did not take a tax deduction on the legal expense, which was marked correctly as a legal expense,

00:08:27.500 the judge also did not allow my lawyers to get tax records from the former attorney,

00:08:30.940 whose name I'm not allowed to mention due to an unconstitutional gag order imposed on me.

00:08:34.860 And then ends it in Trumpian fashion.

00:08:37.720 When the closing arguments were being given, he also truthed out boring with a capital exclamation mark.

00:08:44.800 Of course he did. Of course he did. Which I'm sure really helped his case. But I thought that the

00:08:50.620 most clear-minded comment on this really came from Ron DeSantis. He says,

00:08:56.900 Today's verdict represents the culmination of a legal process that has been bent to the political will

00:09:00.660 of the actors involved. A leftist prosecutor, a partisan judge, and a jury reflective of one of the

00:09:05.720 most liberal enclaves in America, all in an effort to get Donald Trump. Obviously correct. That is a

00:09:12.260 totally salient analysis of what has happened here. He says that this case, involving alleged

00:09:19.320 misdemeanor business record violations from nearly a decade ago, was even brought as a testament,

00:09:25.380 was even brought, is a testament to the political debasement of the justice system in places like

00:09:29.780 New York City. And as you pointed out from the property issue that he had with the Attorney General

00:09:34.960 in New York, this is evidently the case. Highly politicised. Donald Trump is just being treated

00:09:39.760 as a villain. The other case in New York, the E. Jean Carroll case as well. Oh yeah.

00:09:43.120 Bankrolled by the former LinkedIn executive, something Hoffman, Reid Hoffman, where, and I

00:09:51.040 wouldn't allege that she's making it up whatsoever because she's very litigious, but even she has

00:09:55.580 admitted her case bears a remarking similarity to a Law and Order episode plot, and has zero corroborative

00:10:01.920 eyewitnesses, zero CCTV testimony, and zero DNA testing. And when they asked to do the DNA testing,

00:10:07.500 both parties agreed to it, and the judge said, ah, we don't need to worry about it.

00:10:09.760 As I recall as well, and I may even be wrong, because at the beginning of this, I thought,

00:10:13.120 I'm going to actually, once all these indictments were coming out, I was like, I'm actually going to

00:10:16.400 be open-minded, and I'm going to weigh each of these as they come. It's become like drinking from

00:10:20.960 a fire hose, frankly, because they're throwing so much at the wall in an effort to find out what sticks.

00:10:25.160 And I think actually that's one of the reasons why it's counting against them politically.

00:10:27.420 They should have been more strategic and more intelligent. If they are going to be vultures in this way,

00:10:33.180 put out two or three cases, and that's more likely to become entrenched in the public mind as,

00:10:38.080 oh, maybe this is plausible if it's just three cases, or just put all your eggs in the basket of the

00:10:42.320 Florida case, which actually is reasonably strong on the technicalities, at least.

00:10:46.940 But in the Eugene Carroll case as well, I also seem to remember that not only did it closely resemble

00:10:52.700 a law and order episode, or whatever it's called, but didn't some kind of New York legislature

00:10:58.720 realize that the statute of limitations had expired and therefore kick them down the road

00:11:03.800 for another year just so that this civil case could take effect?

00:11:06.020 Former mayor of New York, Bill de Blasio, said we're going to abolish the statute of limitations

00:11:09.340 on sexual battery cases so that you can file it.

00:11:12.200 Yes, exactly.

00:11:12.760 She was asked about this on the news, and she said, oh, I've heard about this.

00:11:15.880 I'm going to consult my lawyers and see if I might do so.

00:11:17.900 And then after the election, when she realized she stood to get a lot of money and damages

00:11:22.440 for it, she filed for that.

00:11:24.180 And then the jury found him not guilty of sexual battery, but then having committed-

00:11:28.900 Guilty of sexual assault?

00:11:29.960 No.

00:11:30.400 Oh, no.

00:11:31.520 They found him guilty of defamation for saying he didn't do it, even though they found him

00:11:35.220 not guilty of doing it.

00:11:36.460 What was the one where they were trying to find him guilty of rape, but found him just

00:11:39.340 guilty of sexual assault instead?

00:11:41.640 I don't think that's ever been done.

00:11:43.920 No, there was one recently.

00:11:45.180 Anyway, I haven't got it to hand, so I won't go on about it.

00:11:47.140 But DeSantis finishes by saying, look, it is often said that no one is above law, but

00:11:53.000 it is also true that no one is below the law.

00:11:54.900 If the defendant were not Donald Trump, this case would never have been brought.

00:11:57.580 The judge would have never issued similar rulings, and the jury would never have returned

00:12:00.780 a guilty verdict.

00:12:01.980 In America, the rule of law should be applied in a dispassionate, even-handed manner, not

00:12:06.520 become captive to the political agenda of some kangaroo court.

00:12:10.340 And that's the point.

00:12:11.120 This is a totally trivial case that has been brought against Donald Trump.

00:12:15.180 It's absolutely trivial.

00:12:16.340 I mean, this is one of the things that just a lot of people were noting.

00:12:19.420 It's like, hang on a second.

00:12:20.580 The first felony for a former US president wasn't for Iraq or Afghanistan.

00:12:24.240 CIA coups, drug-tracking weddings, spying on Americans.

00:12:27.080 No, it was this.

00:12:30.060 Misclassification of a payment for a porn star's NDA.

00:12:33.660 That is one thing I will pick up on DeSantis.

00:12:35.480 I actually really appreciate that statement.

00:12:36.900 Before, when he was in the race and things were a bit more contentious, and he stood to gain

00:12:40.720 from character assassination, when he was asked about this and said, would you support

00:12:43.860 him if this went through?

00:12:44.580 He said, well, I don't know anything about paying hush money to a porn star, and then

00:12:48.540 moved on.

00:12:49.100 And I thought that wasn't very becoming of him.

00:12:50.480 I respect the current statement.

00:12:52.440 I also think as well, it's really crucial that people understand this.

00:12:55.200 It's one thing to valorize the rule of law as an ideal, and that's what DeSantis is doing

00:12:59.680 at the end.

00:13:00.260 Look, the rule of law means that the law has to be blind.

00:13:03.860 It has to be implied dispassionately.

00:13:05.440 Political concerns need to be shoved into the corner, and they cannot dictate the way in

00:13:10.180 which you apply law.

00:13:11.580 The fact is, is that, and there's a wonderful quote from, I think Hobbes recommends it strongly.

00:13:16.100 I don't know if it was actually originally written by Hobbes, but he talks about it in

00:13:18.300 Leviathan, where he says,

00:13:19.640 Octoritas non veritas, facit legem.

00:13:22.900 Authority, not truth, makes law.

00:13:25.300 There needs to be an understanding that the rule of law is not just some magical thing which

00:13:28.820 exists in a free-floating fashion.

00:13:30.840 There are all sorts of preconditions built into its existence.

00:13:34.000 So when Hobbes is saying that, he's not saying that the rule of law can't prevail.

00:13:36.960 He's saying you need certain things to exist.

00:13:39.120 And if we're acknowledging that the rule of law is, to some extent, a human construct,

00:13:44.120 it's a social convention, if only one side is naive, if only one side, if one side is

00:13:50.860 trying to tear it up, and the other side is sentimentally abiding by the principle, because

00:13:55.780 in theory, it's such a wonderful thing, you're not going to have the rule of law in practice.

00:14:00.260 You're going to have a one-sided system in which one side is treating law as the continuation

00:14:07.220 of politics by other means, and another one is just taking refuge in, you know, oh, isn't

00:14:12.400 America's legal tradition wonderful?

00:14:13.660 And you are going to lose if that is your operating system.

00:14:16.080 They're projecting a false assumption of neutrality in the institutions that are supposed to uphold

00:14:22.560 the ideal itself, which obviously doesn't obtain.

00:14:25.760 That's obviously not what is happening.

00:14:27.880 And so it leaves the Republican side at a massive political and legal disadvantage, while their

00:14:33.820 enemies run around orchestrating what are essentially cabals in the background to continually hammer

00:14:42.020 these political points.

00:14:42.900 And so you are just deliberately disarming yourself if you reflexively fall back to, well,

00:14:48.220 the institutions will save us.

00:14:49.860 No, they won't.

00:14:51.500 They're being used against.

00:14:52.640 And strangely as well, and this is another thing that Republicans need to understand,

00:14:55.480 the founding fathers themselves understood this.

00:14:57.440 This is why in Federalist 51, James Madison makes a point of saying, ambition will check

00:15:02.900 ambition.

00:15:03.460 And it's precisely that kind of clashing of different interests, which will in practice lead

00:15:09.280 to the rule of law, actually being operative, because there'll be a sort of, it's sort of

00:15:12.260 general, it's half a gentleman's agreement, but also a certain amount of mutually assured

00:15:15.940 destruction.

00:15:16.360 If you rip up these conventions, maybe I'll rip them up too and weaponize them against you.

00:15:21.160 Speak softly, carry a big stake mentality.

00:15:23.000 And so, and so Republicans need to understand that people like Madison, who will, they, who

00:15:26.320 they will venerate rightly.

00:15:28.600 Many of his observations in the Federalist Papers are wonderful.

00:15:32.440 Ambition will check ambition.

00:15:33.600 Well, if only one side is being ambitious, you need to come in and be ambitious as well.

00:15:37.580 It's as simple as that.

00:15:39.020 Just to return to this though, I do think it's fascinating that it's nothing to do with

00:15:43.060 Epstein.

00:15:43.760 It's nothing to do with what was found on Hunter Biden's laptop, the corruption of Joe

00:15:47.400 Biden taking money from foreign businesses.

00:15:49.320 Ashley Biden's diary.

00:15:50.140 Ashley Biden's diary.

00:15:51.280 Nothing to do with whatever they're doing in Ukraine.

00:15:54.960 Nothing to do with the Clintons.

00:15:56.180 Nothing to do with Obama spying on Trump's campaign.

00:15:58.480 Nothing to do with just like Nancy Pelosi stocks.

00:16:01.740 Nothing to do with any of that.

00:16:03.660 It's this.

00:16:05.580 I mean, pathetic and trivial and obviously political, right?

00:16:09.400 There's just no question of it.

00:16:11.160 And so I guess the question really is, well, what happens next?

00:16:14.140 Well, the Washington Post tells us that he can indeed go to jail.

00:16:18.800 The charges against him are non-violent class E felonies, which are the lowest level of felony.

00:16:24.180 He could be punishable by 16 months to four years in a state prison.

00:16:28.140 But legal experts say that it's unlikely that Trump will be incarcerated.

00:16:31.740 Given that he has not previously been convicted of a crime.

00:16:34.380 They want to put him in Rikers.

00:16:35.560 They've already said.

00:16:36.140 But, yeah, this is the thing.

00:16:38.720 They obviously want to put him in jail.

00:16:41.000 They want to be the people to take the scalp.

00:16:43.100 They want the headline to go from Donald Trump convicted felon to Donald Trump banged up.

00:16:47.900 Yeah.

00:16:48.300 That's what they want.

00:16:49.440 Trump does indeed, though, remain eligible to campaign for the presidency and serve if elected.

00:16:55.080 And he can pardon himself if he wins.

00:16:56.680 He can, yeah, but he might not need to.

00:16:59.640 We'll get on to it in a sec.

00:17:01.380 Because, really, it's the fact that this is so preposterously one-sided, so obviously loaded,

00:17:08.260 and the judge has had so many strange interventions into the case that he is obviously going to appeal.

00:17:15.920 There are various lawyers who are like, well, these aren't just gray areas.

00:17:20.600 This is a former attorney, Brett Tolman, going on Fox and saying, well, look, you know, he's a lawyer.

00:17:26.560 He knows there are plenty of grounds to appeal to reverse this case, not gray areas.

00:17:30.920 These are black and white violations by a judge.

00:17:32.740 I think this probably will end up getting overturned on appeal.

00:17:37.060 I'm not an expert, but this is what the experts are saying, because it looks like there is more than enough here to show that this is, well, just this was a show trial.

00:17:45.540 So, just to, let's talk about the outpouring of support for Donald Trump.

00:17:51.020 Now, Trump has had lots of run-ins with lots of other Republican politicians.

00:17:56.120 I've not seen any of them turning on him, apart from one.

00:18:01.740 Who's the guy?

00:18:03.140 Mitt Romney?

00:18:03.680 No, it wasn't Mitt Romney.

00:18:05.120 Is he a Republican politician?

00:18:06.400 Yes, still.

00:18:07.020 No, no, a Republican politician.

00:18:07.920 Oh, yes.

00:18:09.060 No, the guy, was it Bolton?

00:18:12.760 John Bolton.

00:18:13.700 I think it was.

00:18:14.220 Yeah, because John Bolton was running against him for president.

00:18:16.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:16.780 He was, this is the chance that we have to get Donald Trump out of the Republican Party.

00:18:22.560 Okay, evil wario.

00:18:24.360 Let's get decency back into the overlock.

00:18:26.220 Yeah, yes.

00:18:27.280 And drone strike Iran.

00:18:29.480 Precisely.

00:18:30.660 All of the, all of the Republicans who are of any note and of any character or any substance are on Donald Trump's side.

00:18:36.980 Which is hilarious, because he did actually joke that Ted Cruz's dad killed JFK.

00:18:41.680 Yes.

00:18:42.280 And that he might be the Zodiac.

00:18:43.540 Yes.

00:18:45.340 But, what's nice, and as funny as all of that is, this has clearly gone beyond the realm of where things are a joke anymore.

00:18:54.420 Yes.

00:18:54.620 And people like Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz has been particularly hard on this, which is superb to see.

00:18:59.240 But honestly, you can just go on Twitter and it's just every single Republican of any notes, you know, like activist, talking head, politician, has just been like, no, just no.

00:19:10.360 Yeah, Ted Cruz as well, it might be said, has a similar measure of objectivity to Ben Shapiro as well, for precisely the same reasons.

00:19:16.560 He's got those obvious personal past gripes with Donald Trump, but he's also trained in law, at the same law school, in fact.

00:19:21.820 And Alan Dershowitz has said that Ted Cruz was one of his best students when he was teaching at Harvard.

00:19:26.980 There we go.

00:19:27.740 And so, there was a huge amount of outpouring for Donald Trump, to the point where his donation site crashed.

00:19:35.240 So, you can see that this is something that has definitely had some amount of backfire to it, although it's, of course, far too soon at the moment to know if this is going to have any polling effect.

00:19:47.140 Really, the question is, will independents find this to be sympathetic?

00:19:51.760 Well, it's entirely possible that they will, actually.

00:19:54.500 I don't know.

00:19:55.460 I haven't got any evidence yet, because none of it could have come out so far.

00:19:58.780 But I think the brazenness speaks in favour of that assumption.

00:20:03.280 I think so, yeah.

00:20:03.980 Because, this is what I was saying earlier, I mean, if it had been just one or two, independents, who I'm not necessarily massively attentive to the news cycle, would have just seen, they would have heard the tape of Trump saying, yeah, to some journalists, which I think he did in Florida, oh yeah, I didn't declassify these, but I'm going to show them to you anyway, sort of thing.

00:20:19.960 And they would have thought, gosh, that's very dodgy behaviour.

00:20:21.840 The sheer brazenness of throwing this many indictments his way, I think it will give him a slight bump with independents, I really do.

00:20:29.020 Well, after the mugshot, he did get a polling bump.

00:20:31.220 And one of the things that signals to me that the regime itself believes Trump will win is not just bellyaching from within the Biden camp about Biden-Harris being a weak electoral ticket, but the intelligence community essentially setting up for making deals with Trump after he's promised to go after them with formerly Schedule F, now Agenda 2025.

00:20:51.420 I mean, Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, who showed up at the final day of the trial the other day, helped collaborate with Trump on the Ukraine funding plan.

00:20:59.120 Now, I know around this table, we think giving unqualified billions to the Ukraine is not the best of ideas.

00:21:03.640 However, it does show that Mike Johnson, after meeting with the FBI, then meeting with Trump and then passing that bill through the House, Trump is prepared to make deals.

00:21:09.020 And it's also why Marco Rubio is probably going to be the VP, because he sits on the House Intelligence Committee, and he has a lot of connections to intelligence services.

00:21:18.040 So they're probably thinking, well, if we can make peace with Trump, because it seems like he's going to win, it might be the smart bet.

00:21:23.380 It is looking that way.

00:21:24.560 But the main problem that I have is, I'm a reader of history, as is Beau, and he's currently in the middle of a Fall of the Roman Republic series on Epox, which you can go sign up and support us and watch.

00:21:37.380 But this is where republics go to die.

00:21:40.240 When the previous regime is persecuted by the current regime, all it does is legitimize the persecution of the next regime over the current regime.

00:21:49.520 And this is the downward spiral that ends up leading into autocratic tyranny.

00:21:55.960 Not great, basically.

00:21:58.600 And what's interesting is that Trump doesn't seem to be backing down on any of this.

00:22:02.720 He posted this video on Truth Social, which I think we'll just watch.

00:22:06.100 This is the final battle.

00:22:08.060 With you at my side, we will demolish the deep state.

00:22:11.200 We will expel the warmongers from our government.

00:22:14.040 We will drive out the globalists.

00:22:15.900 We will cast out the communists, Marxists, and fascists.

00:22:19.520 We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country.

00:22:23.720 We will rout the fake news media.

00:22:26.540 And we will liberate America from these villains once and for all.

00:22:33.060 He's got my vote.

00:22:34.360 He's just like boomer in corner.

00:22:37.180 But what was wrong about that?

00:22:38.840 There's no one like him.

00:22:39.940 That was so good.

00:22:41.260 I'm totally on board.

00:22:42.580 Whatever it is, I support it.

00:22:44.300 Absolutely superb.

00:22:46.540 And just as a final thing that is actually very funny, the British political class loath

00:22:52.500 Donald Trump.

00:22:53.500 They can't stand him.

00:22:55.040 They don't know how to deal with him.

00:22:58.240 And there is no pro-Trump media in Britain.

00:23:01.860 There is pro-Trump media in America.

00:23:03.260 They've got Fox News, Newsmax.

00:23:05.080 The Republican side of things is roughly sort of 50-50 split.

00:23:09.840 But in Britain, you just don't get that.

00:23:11.200 There are some people on GB News, but even then you have to have off-call balance.

00:23:14.820 Very, very tepid.

00:23:15.960 It's in the alternative media sphere, like here, where we love Trump and we think he's

00:23:19.120 great and we think he's going to save America.

00:23:20.900 And when people like us manage to actually call into a radio show to talk to these people,

00:23:27.440 you are going to enjoy this.

00:23:29.700 So just sit back.

00:23:31.460 Fire away.

00:23:34.200 It's a joke.

00:23:35.220 It's a joke.

00:23:36.000 It's a joke.

00:23:36.640 It's very entertaining.

00:23:37.680 Listen, he's going to get away with it and he's going to win.

00:23:40.780 Watch November.

00:23:41.900 Yeah.

00:23:42.240 This is just a play.

00:23:43.000 He's not going to be.

00:23:43.780 He's not going to go to prison.

00:23:45.040 I know that's what you want, but it's not going to happen.

00:23:48.400 Trump's going to win.

00:23:49.700 You see all my black people, my Hispanic, what he did in the Bronx?

00:23:53.340 That was amazing.

00:23:54.560 That was a success.

00:23:55.540 And I know that it's very cringy for you.

00:23:59.080 He hates it.

00:24:00.340 Trump is a terminated sidewall.

00:24:02.840 You can't stop him.

00:24:04.220 You can do whatever you want.

00:24:05.620 Joe Biden stopped him last time around, didn't he?

00:24:09.600 He turned that walking, mate.

00:24:11.700 But he did, Oliver.

00:24:12.620 I mean, he lost to Joe Biden.

00:24:15.300 No.

00:24:15.900 So you can stop him.

00:24:16.940 This is a new Trump.

00:24:17.960 This is a new one.

00:24:19.480 A new what?

00:24:21.620 Just watch November 5.

00:24:22.880 What am I watching?

00:24:23.800 You're going to cry.

00:24:24.700 Listen, you can't stop this man.

00:24:27.180 What do you like about him?

00:24:28.420 He's invincible.

00:24:29.420 He's invincible so much that he lost the last election he ran.

00:24:33.240 He's so invincible he lost to Joe Biden.

00:24:35.540 He's still there.

00:24:36.800 Joe Biden is going to go to a nursing home.

00:24:39.940 He's nibbling.

00:24:40.740 He's nibbling far too much, isn't he?

00:24:42.840 It's so good.

00:24:43.960 It's so good.

00:24:45.440 It must be the old big man Tyrone.

00:24:47.140 Exactly.

00:24:47.980 I don't know if it wasn't him.

00:24:50.140 If that caller is watching this, somehow,

00:24:52.560 Salute Salute Salute.

00:24:53.560 You're brilliant.

00:24:54.260 You're hilarious.

00:24:54.960 You made my day.

00:24:55.740 Yeah.

00:24:56.640 Anyway, so, Godspeed to the Americans.

00:24:59.280 Godspeed to Trump.

00:25:00.420 Let's hope you win.

00:25:02.320 Right then.

00:25:02.920 On with this next one.

00:25:05.200 Oh, might want to get the screen up.

00:25:06.480 There we go.

00:25:07.000 I'm just going to scroll down the notes.

00:25:08.020 Fantastic.

00:25:09.400 Well, gentlemen, it's been quite a quiet week around here, hasn't it?

00:25:11.660 It's not like any of us have caused some controversy

00:25:13.180 by talking to a former prime minister or anything.

00:25:15.220 If you have missed it, and you're not among the 10,000 people

00:25:19.260 that have been visiting the website in the last 48 hours,

00:25:21.600 I had a very polite chat with Liz Truss.

00:25:23.900 Now, we have covered Liz Truss's rise and undignified and unjust fall,

00:25:29.260 I would say, over the last couple of years.

00:25:31.880 And I've always maintained the position that I think she was

00:25:34.480 too naive for her own good about how power actually works.

00:25:38.100 I've always disagreed with her on foreign policy matters,

00:25:40.300 for example, with the unqualified funding of Ukraine.

00:25:42.820 And I'm sort of apathetic to Israel because I've never been there

00:25:46.420 and I don't have any big attachment to it,

00:25:48.240 but lots of the political class do.

00:25:50.360 But I have always said that she had some decent instincts

00:25:53.120 on things like the trans matter or just allowing us

00:25:55.460 to keep more money in our paychecks at the end of the month.

00:25:57.820 And so I decided to have a quick chat with her

00:25:59.540 just because she's doing the media rounds,

00:26:01.020 talking about her new book.

00:26:02.420 And it was very pleasant.

00:26:04.480 What ended up happening was,

00:26:05.860 because we previewed it on Twitter to get all you guys excited,

00:26:09.140 the lying communists over at Hope Not Hate

00:26:11.720 decided to take notice.

00:26:13.480 Before we go on, though, I just want to be clear.

00:26:15.220 I thought this was a really good interview.

00:26:17.120 Oh, thanks.

00:26:18.040 Not because of you, because of trust.

00:26:19.180 Oh, cheers.

00:26:19.640 No, I agree because of trust.

00:26:20.380 You did a great job.

00:26:20.720 You did a great job.

00:26:23.280 But it's not that you didn't do a good job,

00:26:25.600 but it's what trust reveals in it.

00:26:27.320 Yes.

00:26:27.520 Because we on the outside of Westminster

00:26:29.780 and on the outside of Whitehall

00:26:31.540 feel that the system has been completely captured

00:26:35.680 by sort of shadowy interests.

00:26:38.880 And so the position of power is essentially isolated

00:26:42.780 from any real decision-making ability.

00:26:45.400 And that's precisely what Liz Truss described.

00:26:47.700 She described how the Bank of England,

00:26:49.220 Tony Blair, made it separate and distinct from the government

00:26:51.660 and not beholden to the government.

00:26:54.560 And so it's at the point now where she described it

00:26:57.100 as, quote, a Blairite prison that we are in

00:27:00.000 that we have to break.

00:27:01.220 And so she was exactly on our wavelength.

00:27:03.140 No, all of this Blair legislation has to be repealed.

00:27:05.420 All of these things have to be changed.

00:27:06.900 Sovereignty must return to our own parliament

00:27:09.140 for the British people to have control of their own country.

00:27:11.960 And I'm surprised that they're not making...

00:27:13.680 I mean, I know why they're not making a big deal

00:27:15.040 about the things she said in the interview.

00:27:17.120 Because if they were and they were saying,

00:27:19.420 oh, Liz Truss said that actually this is...

00:27:21.120 Well, she would know.

00:27:22.360 She was in there.

00:27:22.940 She was removed by these people.

00:27:24.840 She was removed by the Bank of England.

00:27:26.940 And that was the real meat of the interview.

00:27:29.440 It was just superb.

00:27:30.180 And we've been putting the clips out on Twitter.

00:27:31.640 People should definitely go and watch them.

00:27:32.780 Yeah, well, some of the interesting revelations

00:27:35.140 that she kindly felt comfortable enough to give

00:27:38.000 included that the OBR engaged in active blackmailing

00:27:42.020 through reputation destruction by saying,

00:27:43.860 if you want to lower migration, Prime Minister,

00:27:46.180 we will put out damaging economic forecasts

00:27:48.200 that will damage your reputation, for example, the IMF.

00:27:50.420 So if you ever wanted to borrow in future

00:27:52.960 to give headroom for tax cuts, bye-bye.

00:27:55.900 You're going to be deranked.

00:27:57.180 Or, for example, when I said, yeah,

00:27:58.900 was it true that Tony Blair was advising your predecessors

00:28:01.280 and even tried to advise you at the Foreign Office?

00:28:03.080 And why were they at Conservative Party conference?

00:28:04.460 She said, you must remember he has a £100 million budget

00:28:06.720 and basically buys his way in

00:28:07.960 when my colleague's called Blair the master.

00:28:09.760 And I'm going to be frank, I was shocked.

00:28:11.580 I didn't expect that level of candidness.

00:28:13.060 And it was really appreciated.

00:28:14.400 And all of the comments, I do have to scroll down,

00:28:16.360 many among our audience have been glowingly lovely,

00:28:18.640 basically just saying, I was really surprised

00:28:20.320 at how honest and transparent she was.

00:28:22.220 And it's a shame, essentially,

00:28:23.440 that she didn't get to enact any of this

00:28:25.360 through her time in various cabinet positions

00:28:27.540 slash her short-lived reign as Prime Minister.

00:28:30.120 Another really interesting point, sorry to...

00:28:32.280 But again, she just came out with such gold

00:28:35.400 in this interview, was the cult-like atmosphere

00:28:38.040 in the bank and in Whitehall,

00:28:40.440 where they still adhere to the idea that,

00:28:43.300 oh no, immigration means GDP growth.

00:28:45.700 And it's like, but that's such a transparently

00:28:47.080 false thing to believe.

00:28:48.440 That's an obviously disprovably false thing.

00:28:51.300 And yet that's where they are.

00:28:52.520 And it seems to be the sort of,

00:28:53.560 there's a cult mentality that you can't question

00:28:56.280 this orthodoxy.

00:28:57.080 Again, just another amazing revelation from Liz in this one.

00:29:00.120 It's great to hear, but the way as well,

00:29:01.940 and so, look, if Liz Truss is learning things about,

00:29:06.900 as O'Connor put it, how power truly operates,

00:29:09.600 then that can't be a bad thing.

00:29:12.200 So I don't want to be too skeptical here

00:29:14.420 or too wise after the fact.

00:29:17.400 But it does seem to me that,

00:29:19.340 and it seems to me that this is a weakness

00:29:20.880 both in economic liberalism

00:29:22.600 and in political liberalism.

00:29:24.680 There's this incredibly naive idea

00:29:28.900 that to politicize anything at all

00:29:32.400 is itself a horrifying thing to do.

00:29:36.980 But the problem is, is that when,

00:29:38.600 you know, to protect,

00:29:40.080 the way in which Liz Truss will talk about,

00:29:41.480 the Treasury's being politicized,

00:29:42.940 the Migration Advisory Committee

00:29:44.000 is being politicized,

00:29:44.940 you know, the Bank of England

00:29:46.760 has been politicized, you know,

00:29:48.400 and Blair did undertake

00:29:50.940 a massive revolution

00:29:53.480 which completely took power

00:29:55.760 out of the hands of Parliament

00:29:56.680 and vested it in quangocracies

00:29:58.520 and all these sorts of institutions.

00:29:59.900 And that has happened.

00:30:01.260 But to protest the existence of politics

00:30:02.820 in Westminster is as foolish.

00:30:04.900 To protest the existence of politics

00:30:06.920 in Westminster is as foolish

00:30:07.980 as protesting the existence

00:30:08.840 of the profit motive on Wall Street.

00:30:10.180 It just is the way that

00:30:10.940 is the way that Westminster works.

00:30:12.760 And so rather than taking refuge,

00:30:13.940 and this is where liberalism comes in,

00:30:15.380 rather than taking refuge

00:30:16.500 in amoral, not immoral,

00:30:18.520 but amoral mechanisms

00:30:19.460 like the market

00:30:20.260 or taking refuge

00:30:21.360 in amoral mechanisms

00:30:22.760 like free discourse

00:30:24.180 and conversation,

00:30:25.880 you know, this is part

00:30:27.520 of the liberal,

00:30:28.600 you know, the naivety

00:30:31.020 in thinking that we can flee politics

00:30:32.300 rather than participate in it.

00:30:33.400 If something's being politicized,

00:30:34.680 you can regret it,

00:30:35.720 you can lament it,

00:30:36.800 but you can't say

00:30:38.460 that it hasn't happened

00:30:39.560 and you need to contest it

00:30:40.540 on the terms set

00:30:41.400 because the political

00:30:41.980 knows no bounds.

00:30:42.960 And what's worse

00:30:44.380 is that people will say,

00:30:46.220 well, I want this thing

00:30:46.880 to be non-politicized.

00:30:47.880 Like, okay, that is lovely,

00:30:49.160 but all it takes

00:30:50.460 to politicize something

00:30:51.460 is for one faction

00:30:52.880 to make it political.

00:30:54.420 And you can't stop them

00:30:55.820 from doing that

00:30:56.380 if they're hell-bent

00:30:57.760 or their hearts

00:30:58.420 are set on doing it.

00:30:59.240 And so you have no choice

00:31:00.600 but to engage with it

00:31:01.340 on that level

00:31:01.740 if you want to retain

00:31:02.660 your position

00:31:03.220 and your stake in it.

00:31:04.480 And if you don't,

00:31:05.100 then you'll lose it

00:31:05.660 and this politicization

00:31:07.620 can be done at any time

00:31:08.780 for any reason

00:31:09.900 just like that.

00:31:10.840 To anything.

00:31:11.440 The neutrality

00:31:12.260 of political institutions

00:31:13.600 towards any given

00:31:15.660 concept of the good

00:31:17.040 is itself not a neutral position.

00:31:18.940 Correct.

00:31:19.140 It is a value judgment position.

00:31:20.700 And I will say,

00:31:22.140 to step in,

00:31:23.240 she has actually acknowledged

00:31:24.180 that in two terms.

00:31:25.600 In chapter 11 of her book,

00:31:26.900 she emphatically states

00:31:28.060 that any civil servant

00:31:29.400 who has a pretense

00:31:30.500 of neutrality

00:31:31.180 is lying

00:31:31.780 because they had

00:31:32.460 political ambitions

00:31:33.200 before going into this.

00:31:34.340 They probably wanted

00:31:34.940 to be an MP,

00:31:35.760 Prime Minister,

00:31:36.180 or Cabinet Minister themselves.

00:31:37.100 So to expect them

00:31:38.020 to shed that

00:31:38.760 like a snakeskin

00:31:39.560 is absurd.

00:31:41.100 And in our interview,

00:31:41.800 she said,

00:31:42.680 quote unquote,

00:31:43.380 we need a bigger bazooka

00:31:44.480 to disrupt Whitehall,

00:31:47.060 the activist organizations,

00:31:48.360 and the One Nation Conservatives,

00:31:49.660 of which I'm not a member,

00:31:50.720 which was quite a little

00:31:51.300 funny jab,

00:31:51.980 because she emphatically

00:31:52.580 just called them evil.

00:31:53.880 I have not heard

00:31:54.720 that strength of language

00:31:55.780 from a single Cabinet Minister

00:31:56.760 in the last 14 years.

00:31:57.680 As I said,

00:31:58.380 I thought this was

00:31:58.980 an amazing interview

00:31:59.800 for the sort of

00:32:01.160 conservative side of things.

00:32:02.680 I'm not actually

00:32:03.200 that surprised

00:32:03.600 that the mainstream

00:32:04.080 didn't take that much

00:32:04.900 from it,

00:32:05.300 because they're not

00:32:07.040 really listening

00:32:07.560 for those things.

00:32:08.760 But for us,

00:32:09.960 on the sort of

00:32:10.480 more dissident

00:32:11.060 right-wing side,

00:32:12.360 this was a fantastic

00:32:13.480 look into,

00:32:14.920 this was as if

00:32:15.940 we'd got one of our people

00:32:17.220 to just go and have a look,

00:32:18.740 see what's in there,

00:32:19.360 and then come back

00:32:20.040 and tell to us

00:32:21.440 exactly what we need to know.

00:32:22.640 And that's exactly

00:32:23.220 what she did.

00:32:24.180 Yeah, well,

00:32:24.400 hopefully it's not

00:32:24.980 the last one.

00:32:25.840 Stay tuned.

00:32:26.600 But,

00:32:27.200 Hope Not Hate

00:32:27.700 objected to this,

00:32:28.500 because of course they did,

00:32:29.360 because again,

00:32:30.000 they're lying communists,

00:32:31.300 and they just decided

00:32:32.140 to advertise the interview

00:32:33.220 on our behalf.

00:32:34.180 However,

00:32:34.820 although we appreciate

00:32:36.340 the attempt for publicity,

00:32:37.280 you did fail a basic

00:32:38.300 reading comprehension test,

00:32:40.040 because in the thumbnail

00:32:41.160 it says Tomlinson Talks,

00:32:42.880 and the entire news cycle

00:32:44.440 was dominated

00:32:45.040 by you, Carl,

00:32:47.180 for no reason

00:32:48.600 at all.

00:32:50.320 I got up one Wednesday

00:32:51.360 morning,

00:32:52.260 came to work,

00:32:52.960 I was doing my work,

00:32:53.680 and suddenly...

00:32:54.560 You discovered you'd spoken

00:32:55.260 to Liz Truss, apparently.

00:32:56.120 Yeah, I'm in the news,

00:32:57.100 and I'd done nothing, actually.

00:32:58.780 Yeah, just to reiterate the point,

00:33:00.400 Carl has never met

00:33:01.340 nor spoken to Liz Truss.

00:33:03.580 Don't think she even knew

00:33:04.600 of his existence

00:33:05.280 when she sat down with me.

00:33:06.360 She sat down with me

00:33:06.940 because I'm a Conservative Party member,

00:33:08.700 and I just sort of

00:33:09.460 swim in these waters

00:33:10.340 before I even joined here.

00:33:12.220 I was just having a chat

00:33:13.100 with her about her book

00:33:13.960 and her time in office,

00:33:14.860 so nothing untoward,

00:33:16.260 frankly,

00:33:16.820 but of course,

00:33:17.660 Hope Not Hate

00:33:18.140 has to trot out the smears,

00:33:19.300 because I think

00:33:20.220 this is a moment

00:33:21.460 that shows that they fear

00:33:22.980 the ability for

00:33:24.100 transparent,

00:33:25.680 non-OFCOM strangle-held media

00:33:27.880 to hold politicians to account.

00:33:29.600 I think it's more than that, though.

00:33:30.560 I think they're worried

00:33:31.380 about the opening

00:33:31.980 of the Overton window.

00:33:33.360 The problem with Liz Truss

00:33:35.180 talking to us

00:33:35.900 is that it shows that,

00:33:36.980 A, we can have

00:33:37.660 a sensible and informative

00:33:39.720 conversation with her

00:33:40.740 that is on her wavelength

00:33:42.440 that is not part

00:33:44.220 of the captured

00:33:44.840 prison of Blairism.

00:33:47.320 If that becomes normal

00:33:48.880 for Conservative politicians,

00:33:50.880 well,

00:33:51.680 they may well find themselves

00:33:52.940 with less leverage

00:33:53.960 over them in the future,

00:33:55.560 and so that's where

00:33:56.340 I think the real fear comes in.

00:33:57.800 Yes, I don't know

00:33:58.700 if we're going to get to it,

00:33:59.300 do we have the

00:33:59.660 Lewis Goodall clip?

00:34:00.960 Yes.

00:34:01.280 Oh, we do, okay,

00:34:01.860 well, I'll hold fire then.

00:34:03.720 Quite.

00:34:05.060 So,

00:34:05.780 this is your response,

00:34:08.120 a very lengthy response

00:34:09.060 to a letter

00:34:09.700 that came the following morning

00:34:11.100 because Jess Phillips

00:34:11.960 clearly got a briefing

00:34:12.960 from Hope Not Hate

00:34:13.860 because your name

00:34:14.780 was mentioned into this,

00:34:15.720 so they must have

00:34:16.100 sent some emails off

00:34:16.940 to some very lazy journalists

00:34:18.940 who did some very poor

00:34:20.040 reporting on this

00:34:20.580 that we'll get round to,

00:34:21.660 but Jess Phillips

00:34:22.360 decided to share

00:34:23.380 what looks like

00:34:24.440 a dimly lit screenshot

00:34:25.760 of the big earth.

00:34:26.780 it's really weird

00:34:27.500 that this is so low quality.

00:34:30.660 It's, well,

00:34:31.280 coming from Jess Phillips,

00:34:31.920 oh, you mean just visually,

00:34:32.920 right, yeah.

00:34:33.220 Just visually, yeah, yeah.

00:34:33.980 But it is very low quality

00:34:35.440 argumentation

00:34:36.200 because, again,

00:34:38.440 Carl had nothing to do

00:34:40.180 with this interview.

00:34:41.660 But also, I mean,

00:34:42.900 just for anyone who wants to,

00:34:44.020 it's pinned on my Twitter feed

00:34:44.920 at the moment,

00:34:45.340 and she just makes

00:34:45.960 a series of accusations

00:34:47.020 about conspiracy theories

00:34:48.220 and World Economic Forum

00:34:49.820 and things like that

00:34:50.300 that I don't believe in,

00:34:51.980 so I just rebut all of this

00:34:53.200 quite comprehensively

00:34:54.100 in that statement.

00:34:55.360 And honestly,

00:34:56.960 no one's picked up

00:34:57.740 on any of the negative things

00:34:59.880 she's trying to ascribe to us

00:35:00.820 because I so thoroughly

00:35:02.640 demolished her position on this.

00:35:03.940 She's just lying.

00:35:04.840 Not for the reasons

00:35:05.320 she then lists

00:35:06.200 straight afterwards,

00:35:07.120 but I wish it were true

00:35:08.300 when she said

00:35:08.700 the impact men like Benjamin

00:35:09.980 have on politics

00:35:10.720 cannot be understated.

00:35:12.160 No, I think she's true on that.

00:35:13.220 I think she's correct on that.

00:35:13.900 Well, on day-to-day politics

00:35:14.820 in Westminster?

00:35:15.440 Yeah, I think so.

00:35:16.180 I mean, evidently that's true.

00:35:17.720 I see, yeah.

00:35:18.300 The impact that we collectively

00:35:19.400 have on politics is not,

00:35:22.380 just don't understate it.

00:35:23.520 That's all she's saying.

00:35:24.620 And I think we can

00:35:25.420 take her word for it.

00:35:25.920 Okay, very good.

00:35:26.600 She's first-hand.

00:35:27.380 She's in Parliament.

00:35:28.180 She must know.

00:35:29.340 Well, I certainly hope so.

00:35:31.160 And so the entire media cycle

00:35:32.540 for The Morning

00:35:33.160 became Jess Phillips

00:35:34.620 doing the rounds

00:35:35.520 on various outlets

00:35:36.400 including LBC

00:35:37.600 and Times Radio

00:35:38.640 calling for Liz Truss'

00:35:39.720 deselection.

00:35:41.100 They asked Liz Truss'

00:35:42.560 camp for a comment

00:35:43.420 and Liz herself

00:35:44.800 has not spoken to me since,

00:35:46.460 but she also hasn't spoken

00:35:47.160 to any media outlets,

00:35:48.140 hasn't walked this back.

00:35:48.980 And I think very commendable

00:35:50.420 that she's sticking

00:35:50.940 by everything she said

00:35:51.600 and she should.

00:35:52.080 She has absolutely nothing

00:35:53.180 to apologise for.

00:35:54.960 But I also found it

00:35:55.560 very interesting that,

00:35:56.960 well, a couple of outlets

00:35:57.940 asked for comment from us

00:35:59.400 and we referred them

00:36:00.300 to your lengthy Twitter statement.

00:36:02.260 As far as I know,

00:36:03.180 LBC asked you to go on.

00:36:04.600 That didn't materialise, did it?

00:36:05.740 Yeah, and Andrew Marr's show

00:36:07.160 sent me an email

00:36:08.320 very shortly after this came out

00:36:10.380 asking if I'd like to go on the show

00:36:12.100 and give my side of events.

00:36:13.980 Andrew Marr did?

00:36:14.640 Yeah.

00:36:15.060 On to the New Statesman show?

00:36:16.740 At the LBC show.

00:36:17.960 Oh.

00:36:18.540 And so we sent an email back

00:36:19.980 saying yes, we'd love to.

00:36:21.280 And then he sent an email back

00:36:22.900 or his team sent an email back

00:36:24.020 saying, okay, don't worry,

00:36:24.800 actually, we're going to talk

00:36:25.300 about something else.

00:36:25.940 But then they talked about it

00:36:27.000 on the show.

00:36:27.640 And had Jess Phillips on.

00:36:28.380 And had Jess Phillips on.

00:36:29.620 So that's interesting

00:36:30.700 that I wasn't given a right of reply.

00:36:32.180 And I have not been asked

00:36:33.220 by a single outlet

00:36:34.540 and I don't want to say

00:36:35.920 that I want to be in the limelight

00:36:36.620 for this,

00:36:36.900 but considering I do

00:36:37.580 a lot of external TV.

00:36:38.860 And it was your show

00:36:39.920 Liz Truss appeared on.

00:36:41.380 Yes.

00:36:42.160 You would have expected people

00:36:43.420 to at least reach out

00:36:45.260 for comment

00:36:45.680 when my DMs are open.

00:36:46.940 So curious that, isn't it?

00:36:49.220 Weird bit of coverage by them.

00:36:50.760 I think that probably

00:36:51.380 would have saved them

00:36:52.060 covering it

00:36:53.100 in an erroneous manner

00:36:54.400 had they done that.

00:36:55.300 But there you go.

00:36:56.160 Anyway, so I did do

00:36:56.920 my own response

00:36:57.780 to this whole affair

00:36:59.520 that I'll get to in a moment.

00:37:01.200 But hope not hate.

00:37:03.140 If you're watching,

00:37:04.140 you probably are actually

00:37:05.160 because it turns out

00:37:05.840 you had to pay for

00:37:06.480 a Lotus City subscription

00:37:07.340 to watch this interview.

00:37:08.380 So cheers for helping us

00:37:09.540 keep the lights on, lads.

00:37:10.720 They just did a written breakdown

00:37:12.280 of everything in the interview.

00:37:14.240 And I say everything, actually,

00:37:15.200 because they didn't

00:37:15.900 really talk about much.

00:37:17.760 The main thing

00:37:18.420 they complained about

00:37:19.260 that was funny enough

00:37:20.000 was me raising concerns

00:37:21.400 about possible hundreds

00:37:22.800 of thousands

00:37:23.260 of Palestinian refugees

00:37:24.680 being admitted

00:37:25.340 to the country

00:37:26.040 when the overwhelming

00:37:27.620 number of them,

00:37:29.120 according to polling stations

00:37:30.760 in Palestine,

00:37:32.480 support Hamas.

00:37:33.620 Yeah.

00:37:33.880 Bit concerning

00:37:34.600 because that's

00:37:35.860 a prescribed terror group

00:37:36.680 and I don't want them

00:37:37.300 as my neighbours.

00:37:37.920 Thank you very much.

00:37:38.980 And Liz Truss said,

00:37:40.060 yeah, the Labour Party

00:37:40.920 seemed to be in hocked

00:37:41.880 a very left-wing activists

00:37:42.940 who are pro-Hamas.

00:37:43.800 They're pro-terrorists,

00:37:44.480 they're anti-Semitic,

00:37:45.060 they're anti-Israel.

00:37:46.200 Okay.

00:37:46.900 Seems utterly true.

00:37:48.900 And then their main complaint

00:37:49.820 was that people in the chat box,

00:37:51.620 which, by the way,

00:37:52.720 is public.

00:37:54.060 It's public.

00:37:54.740 You can make an account.

00:37:55.740 There's no ID requirement for it.

00:37:57.620 Actually, you don't even need

00:37:58.380 to make an account.

00:37:59.260 Oh, really?

00:37:59.760 Yeah, because the chat box

00:38:01.160 is actually separate

00:38:01.760 to your account

00:38:02.400 just because we have to use

00:38:03.320 software to do it.

00:38:04.840 And so it's completely public.

00:38:06.000 So anyone can just bring up

00:38:07.120 the chat and type

00:38:08.040 what they want.

00:38:08.840 Yes, because I was going to say,

00:38:09.700 none of those people

00:38:10.460 that, as far as I know,

00:38:11.660 are paying members of ours

00:38:12.680 because that's completely separate

00:38:13.400 to our comment section.

00:38:14.600 And considering Hope Not Hate

00:38:15.600 themselves publicised at any time,

00:38:17.420 how do we know

00:38:18.120 that that wasn't

00:38:18.680 one of your goons?

00:38:20.000 Not just one.

00:38:20.760 I mean, it could have been many.

00:38:21.720 And, you know, I mean,

00:38:22.800 no one's ever accused us

00:38:23.860 of being anti-Semitic.

00:38:25.040 No.

00:38:25.620 Except we're not.

00:38:27.160 Hope Not Hate

00:38:27.680 actively support

00:38:28.920 the Palestinian protests.

00:38:30.040 Exactly.

00:38:30.740 We don't vote Labour.

00:38:31.840 We're not part of the conversation

00:38:34.280 about Israel and Palestine.

00:38:35.560 No, we have routinely said,

00:38:37.360 we don't care.

00:38:38.480 It's miles away.

00:38:39.200 We don't think we should

00:38:39.720 be funding either side.

00:38:40.560 We don't think these protests

00:38:41.280 should be going on

00:38:41.800 on our capital city.

00:38:42.920 We should have nothing

00:38:43.560 to do with it.

00:38:44.240 And they said,

00:38:44.840 and that's why you're anti-Semitic.

00:38:46.200 And the funny thing is,

00:38:46.920 they're complaining

00:38:47.540 that people that were posting

00:38:49.300 some, let's say,

00:38:51.180 contentious things

00:38:52.120 about Jewish people

00:38:52.940 in the chat,

00:38:53.760 who we don't know

00:38:54.660 who they are,

00:38:55.640 a Lotus Eater's admin

00:38:56.460 had to close the chat function

00:38:57.600 partway through the show

00:38:58.340 claiming it had been infiltrated.

00:38:59.660 Oh, there we go.

00:39:00.160 Right, so you're complaining

00:39:01.460 that we stopped it.

00:39:03.100 Yeah, but that's the worst thing

00:39:06.240 they have to say about it.

00:39:07.680 Yes.

00:39:07.960 Well, some people posted

00:39:08.960 things in the chat,

00:39:09.840 so what?

00:39:10.600 The interview was pre-recorded

00:39:11.660 and running live.

00:39:12.580 Yeah.

00:39:12.760 It's not like it influenced

00:39:13.460 the interview whatsoever either.

00:39:14.880 Yeah.

00:39:15.140 It's so idiotic.

00:39:16.020 But that is a very low bar.

00:39:18.020 Okay, well, let's talk

00:39:19.100 about the Labour Party now,

00:39:20.100 shall we?

00:39:20.860 It just completely reeks

00:39:22.420 of impotence as well,

00:39:23.880 or sort of gradually

00:39:24.860 setting in impotence.

00:39:25.840 And I think this is one

00:39:26.500 of the real opportunities

00:39:27.980 that we have,

00:39:29.320 broadly speaking,

00:39:29.940 as a movement.

00:39:30.480 And it makes me feel

00:39:32.000 even more infuriated

00:39:33.600 than I otherwise would

00:39:34.480 when people like Richard Tice

00:39:35.640 cave to these people.

00:39:37.540 Because the fact is,

00:39:39.280 is that their linguistic instruments,

00:39:41.000 far right, racist,

00:39:42.320 anti-Semitic conspiracy theory,

00:39:43.480 these are just growing blunt

00:39:45.320 day by day with overuse.

00:39:46.660 And the fact that the left

00:39:48.840 has engaged for 20 to 30 years

00:39:50.720 at this point in just

00:39:51.620 the most gross,

00:39:52.900 unscrupulous language inflation

00:39:54.300 means that we can take

00:39:55.720 advantage of that,

00:39:56.360 not to advance

00:39:57.160 actually evil things.

00:39:59.140 It's not sort of,

00:39:59.720 I'm not conniving,

00:40:00.700 like some evil Machiavellian.

00:40:02.540 I have never called for genocide

00:40:03.580 in my life

00:40:04.160 because I've been at this table.

00:40:05.000 Exactly.

00:40:05.660 But to defend

00:40:06.500 legitimate interests

00:40:07.640 in ways which 30 years ago

00:40:08.740 would have been much tougher to do.

00:40:09.860 I think it's an opportunity

00:40:11.140 that this just rings so hollow now.

00:40:13.640 And I think it does

00:40:14.140 in the minds and hearts

00:40:16.000 of most people

00:40:16.500 up and down this country.

00:40:17.840 Just sick of hearing it.

00:40:18.920 For job security,

00:40:19.980 I understand that not everyone

00:40:20.880 can be a hero.

00:40:22.120 If you're working

00:40:22.740 in the private sector,

00:40:23.360 I'm not saying that everyone

00:40:23.960 has to be, you know,

00:40:26.080 martyrs of the cause,

00:40:27.320 self-immolating.

00:40:28.160 But this just,

00:40:29.140 this doesn't have the same,

00:40:30.900 this does not have the same power.

00:40:32.300 I mean, you can see by like,

00:40:33.440 again, they had a hit piece

00:40:35.100 on Nick Dixon,

00:40:36.020 a friend of the show,

00:40:37.460 you know,

00:40:37.760 occasional guest presenter.

00:40:38.740 Good lad.

00:40:39.240 Very good chap.

00:40:40.360 And, oh, look,

00:40:41.580 he's gone to a secret

00:40:42.460 far-right meeting.

00:40:43.640 Well, actually,

00:40:44.100 that's not,

00:40:44.800 it wasn't a secret.

00:40:45.740 And it's not,

00:40:46.620 so you're actually doing

00:40:47.820 some good work publicizing it.

00:40:48.920 But it's also not illegal.

00:40:50.480 And he didn't lose his job

00:40:51.640 or anything like that.

00:40:52.360 He probably gained

00:40:52.820 Twitter followers.

00:40:53.400 And even did Leo.

00:40:54.200 Leo was just on holiday

00:40:55.100 when they published

00:40:55.840 a hit piece against him.

00:40:57.140 And he was like,

00:40:57.540 I was just sitting on a beach

00:40:58.320 having a nice time.

00:40:59.000 I'm going to go back on GB News.

00:41:00.360 Exactly.

00:41:00.820 So, you know,

00:41:01.400 the whole thing

00:41:03.240 is losing its oomph,

00:41:05.440 which is wonderful to see

00:41:06.780 because it was a lie

00:41:07.900 from the start.

00:41:09.000 Don't worry about them.

00:41:09.920 To pick up on two things there,

00:41:11.180 it is depressingly true

00:41:12.960 that as of today,

00:41:14.160 and we will look at a statement

00:41:15.520 from Rishi Sunak himself

00:41:16.580 who's been asked about this now,

00:41:18.000 so we're on the PM's radar,

00:41:19.560 it turns out.

00:41:20.740 Richard Tice has caved more

00:41:22.720 to Hope Not Hate

00:41:23.460 than Rishi Sunak.

00:41:25.200 What happened now?

00:41:27.020 Richard Tice has deselected

00:41:28.100 multiple candidates,

00:41:29.300 including Beau,

00:41:30.260 on behalf of Hope Not Hate.

00:41:31.700 Should I join Reform?

00:41:34.120 Well, I'm a Conservative Party member.

00:41:35.980 I remain a Conservative Party member.

00:41:37.340 I haven't been deselected.

00:41:38.440 So does Liz Truss.

00:41:39.320 Yeah, Liz Truss is running

00:41:40.520 as an MP again.

00:41:41.620 She hasn't been deselected

00:41:42.640 as a potential MP.

00:41:44.100 Unfortunately,

00:41:44.520 they're not parachuting you

00:41:45.440 into one of those vacancies.

00:41:46.500 They're parachuting Ian Dale in.

00:41:48.020 No, no.

00:41:48.840 It's been taken down this morning

00:41:50.720 because on LBC,

00:41:51.980 again, LBC,

00:41:52.820 the sort of graveyard of careers,

00:41:54.120 it came out that he said

00:41:56.520 there was Tunbridge Wells.

00:41:57.480 He would have rather lived

00:41:58.260 anywhere else on a video

00:41:59.340 from years ago.

00:42:00.240 12 hours.

00:42:01.100 It took 12 hours.

00:42:02.300 Bye-bye, One Nation.

00:42:03.980 So Liz Truss comes on Earth,

00:42:05.560 doesn't get deselected.

00:42:06.820 He goes,

00:42:07.720 what are you saying?

00:42:09.660 Things are happening.

00:42:11.000 Things are happening.

00:42:11.680 It is a vibe shift

00:42:12.420 and I appreciate that.

00:42:13.500 Yeah, vibe shifts do matter.

00:42:14.800 And the reason that they're so afraid

00:42:16.300 is not because of anything

00:42:17.340 that we've said.

00:42:18.000 Again, they couldn't even pull out

00:42:18.820 anything substantive

00:42:19.420 from the interview itself

00:42:20.200 because I thought

00:42:20.720 I was personally reasonable

00:42:23.080 and quite honest.

00:42:24.620 Just a quick thing on that as well.

00:42:26.200 Everything they pulled out

00:42:27.040 from my statement

00:42:27.580 just looked good in the articles

00:42:29.160 because that's the thing.

00:42:31.000 Anything they would have pulled out

00:42:32.000 about Liz Truss

00:42:32.480 would have just been an advertisement

00:42:34.200 to the general public.

00:42:35.480 By the way,

00:42:35.800 Liz Truss says that

00:42:36.580 we're in hock to a Blairite prison

00:42:38.060 and we need to break out.

00:42:39.060 But yeah,

00:42:39.560 I think the average person

00:42:40.600 would go,

00:42:40.800 well, I like that Liz Truss one.

00:42:42.060 And she seems to know

00:42:42.880 what she's talking about.

00:42:43.720 You know, anyway.

00:42:44.860 Yeah, so the thing

00:42:45.600 they're truly afraid of

00:42:46.320 is Truss in the interview said,

00:42:48.700 in addition to promoting her book,

00:42:50.060 railed against usual targets,

00:42:51.360 liberal media,

00:42:52.080 de-growthers,

00:42:52.500 Bank of England

00:42:53.020 and the Climate Change Act.

00:42:53.960 In response to a question from me

00:42:55.440 that mentioned left-wing activism

00:42:56.980 and hope not hate,

00:42:57.880 Truss called for a more

00:42:58.600 aggressive approach,

00:42:59.420 adding,

00:42:59.780 our enemies will try and smear us

00:43:01.100 and label us.

00:43:01.900 We have to take them on.

00:43:02.680 These people are not well-meaning.

00:43:03.940 They want to destroy our society.

00:43:05.300 Correct.

00:43:05.740 That is why they're afraid.

00:43:06.640 A former prime minister

00:43:07.520 has squarely

00:43:08.540 looked down the camera

00:43:09.620 for a direct question

00:43:10.580 of hope not hate

00:43:11.060 and called them evil.

00:43:12.340 Note how they don't take issue

00:43:13.300 with the fact that

00:43:14.020 with that description either.

00:43:15.340 This is not true.

00:43:19.220 Obviously we recant

00:43:20.300 the very idea

00:43:21.440 that that would ever be

00:43:22.200 even come across our minds

00:43:23.560 in the slightest way possible.

00:43:24.680 Yeah, well of course

00:43:25.020 they want to destroy our society

00:43:25.840 because as I said in here,

00:43:27.000 again, they're lying communists.

00:43:28.100 I'm going to keep referring to them

00:43:28.860 in this.

00:43:29.320 Why?

00:43:29.900 Because it's true.

00:43:30.540 Matthew Collins,

00:43:31.400 one of their heads of research,

00:43:32.720 a self-professed member

00:43:33.440 of the Communist Party.

00:43:34.420 He's done this on a Facebook post

00:43:36.060 from years ago.

00:43:37.660 Oh, he's a member

00:43:38.160 of the Communist Party of Britain?

00:43:39.500 Yes.

00:43:39.800 Interesting.

00:43:40.340 Yes.

00:43:40.700 In 2013,

00:43:41.880 this is due to the work

00:43:42.960 of Charlie Peters

00:43:43.540 and Stephen Edgerton,

00:43:44.480 two brilliant lads

00:43:45.380 over at GB News,

00:43:46.680 they've got video footage

00:43:47.800 of him draped in a Soviet flag

00:43:49.800 praising the Red Army.

00:43:51.160 Oh, really?

00:43:51.760 Yeah.

00:43:52.360 He said at an event

00:43:53.320 for the group in 2013,

00:43:54.680 comrades, brothers and sisters,

00:43:55.960 hope not hate,

00:43:56.660 you are our Red Army.

00:43:57.600 Bear in mind,

00:43:58.140 the Red Army,

00:43:58.780 being the frontline troops

00:44:00.160 of Joseph Stalin,

00:44:01.100 genocidal murderer,

00:44:03.040 raped lots and lots

00:44:04.300 of civilians.

00:44:05.080 Yeah.

00:44:05.400 Founded by Trotsky,

00:44:07.220 genocidal,

00:44:08.500 like,

00:44:09.120 marched through Germany

00:44:10.840 towards the end

00:44:12.560 of World War II.

00:44:13.580 He said raped loads of women

00:44:14.620 and after the Kutin Massacre,

00:44:15.880 which I can see

00:44:16.300 is mentioned there

00:44:16.800 by Janis,

00:44:17.720 I'm not going to try

00:44:18.580 and pronounce his surname,

00:44:19.320 Kowalski.

00:44:20.640 After the Kutin Massacre,

00:44:21.620 which is probably the worst

00:44:22.180 thing the Red Army did.

00:44:24.320 Worst individual act.

00:44:25.400 Yeah,

00:44:25.720 orchestrated.

00:44:26.960 The most unscrupulous thing

00:44:28.140 of all I've always thought

00:44:29.000 is the way in which

00:44:29.580 they deliberately stopped

00:44:31.320 trying to engage

00:44:32.380 the Wehrmacht

00:44:32.960 when the Wehrmacht

00:44:33.580 got into Warsaw

00:44:35.040 precisely so that

00:44:36.340 the Wehrmacht

00:44:36.800 could violently put down

00:44:37.840 the Warsaw uprising.

00:44:39.120 The fact that

00:44:40.540 Polish nationalists

00:44:41.320 wanted to be liberated

00:44:42.120 from both

00:44:42.700 these great big

00:44:43.680 evil empires,

00:44:45.860 frankly.

00:44:46.800 And also,

00:44:47.280 he notes as well,

00:44:48.860 in there,

00:44:49.480 during Stalin's

00:44:50.140 anti-Semitic purges,

00:44:51.020 oh yeah,

00:44:51.580 all of the pogroms,

00:44:54.180 yeah,

00:44:54.340 that's not great.

00:44:55.260 So if you're going to

00:44:55.840 label me far right,

00:44:56.720 I've never once

00:44:57.500 expressed support

00:44:58.480 for the mid-century Germans

00:44:59.820 because I'm a Catholic

00:45:01.300 and I believe...

00:45:01.940 Or the mid-century Russians.

00:45:02.800 No, quite.

00:45:03.340 Yeah,

00:45:03.500 I'm just not keen

00:45:04.360 on genocide generally,

00:45:05.780 but I suppose

00:45:06.300 that makes one of us,

00:45:07.500 doesn't it?

00:45:07.840 Anyway,

00:45:09.460 people came to our aid,

00:45:11.160 which is very appreciated,

00:45:12.360 you know,

00:45:12.620 Beacons of Gondor

00:45:13.300 were lit and that,

00:45:14.040 and these are usually

00:45:14.660 people who are

00:45:15.540 on the other side

00:45:16.520 of the aisle,

00:45:17.360 but who we have met

00:45:18.540 and had as guests

00:45:19.360 and who are perfectly

00:45:19.980 nice chaps.

00:45:20.400 For example,

00:45:21.000 Graham Linehan,

00:45:21.580 whose life was

00:45:22.200 practically destroyed

00:45:22.920 by trans activists,

00:45:24.120 who has had the grace

00:45:25.180 and humility

00:45:25.620 to apologise to Mark Meakin,

00:45:27.260 meet him in person,

00:45:28.380 shown a lot of depth

00:45:29.120 of character.

00:45:29.660 Came on our show.

00:45:30.280 Yeah,

00:45:30.720 exactly.

00:45:31.160 And he himself said,

00:45:32.020 I'm ashamed that I once

00:45:33.680 fell for the chicanery.

00:45:34.640 Think of someone

00:45:35.900 who you know

00:45:36.540 has a bad smell about

00:45:37.320 and then ask,

00:45:37.880 what exactly did this

00:45:38.540 person do wrong?

00:45:39.200 Often you find

00:45:39.820 the answer is F all.

00:45:41.120 Or they should be

00:45:41.620 commended,

00:45:42.100 in fact,

00:45:42.660 for arising first

00:45:43.340 on the scene

00:45:43.720 of a scandal

00:45:44.180 like Rotherham.

00:45:44.760 That's a reference

00:45:45.680 specifically to Tommy Robinson

00:45:49.820 because the question

00:45:50.520 is always,

00:45:50.920 okay,

00:45:51.360 what has Tommy

00:45:51.880 actually said

00:45:53.060 that is racist?

00:45:54.840 What is the quote?

00:45:55.880 There is no quote.

00:45:57.460 And that's exactly

00:45:58.440 the point he's making.

00:45:59.740 The media is just

00:46:01.280 out to monster people

00:46:02.480 and turn them

00:46:03.700 into figures of hate.

00:46:04.980 And it's so good

00:46:06.300 to see everyone

00:46:06.880 who's like,

00:46:07.560 hang on a second,

00:46:08.260 this behaviour

00:46:09.400 is not acceptable.

00:46:10.860 They shouldn't be able

00:46:11.520 to use their power

00:46:12.080 to demonise people

00:46:12.880 like this.

00:46:13.620 Same with Constance

00:46:14.560 and Kissin,

00:46:15.040 again,

00:46:15.360 friend of the show,

00:46:16.060 he hosted me on

00:46:16.460 Trigonometry,

00:46:16.900 had a good chat,

00:46:17.680 also spoke to Liz Truss.

00:46:19.760 Any controversy

00:46:20.420 around that?

00:46:21.260 And Liz.

00:46:21.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:22.240 Yes.

00:46:22.560 Any controversy

00:46:23.060 around Constance?

00:46:23.880 Oh, no.

00:46:24.960 No, that didn't

00:46:25.940 seem to happen.

00:46:26.980 Was there any

00:46:27.620 hope not hate

00:46:28.200 hit pieces on

00:46:28.960 Stephen Edgington

00:46:29.840 when he challenged

00:46:31.060 Liz Truss?

00:46:31.960 No, just us.

00:46:33.380 Ah, okay.

00:46:34.280 You're afraid.

00:46:35.140 I get it.

00:46:35.800 And of all people,

00:46:37.560 and credit to her,

00:46:38.980 Narinda,

00:46:39.700 because she was

00:46:40.620 very polite,

00:46:41.340 she enjoyed her time here,

00:46:42.600 and even though you had

00:46:43.020 a very contentious discussion,

00:46:44.480 Sure, but it was not

00:46:45.700 personal,

00:46:46.900 you know,

00:46:47.800 inappropriate or anything.

00:46:49.020 You looked after her safety

00:46:49.900 and she really appreciated it.

00:46:50.980 Well, this is the point,

00:46:51.860 because Jess Phillips

00:46:52.380 was trying to imply

00:46:52.980 that I made women

00:46:54.080 feel afraid,

00:46:55.300 and I know lots of women,

00:46:57.320 obviously,

00:46:57.880 and I know there are

00:46:59.320 lots of women

00:46:59.700 who do not feel afraid

00:47:00.620 by me.

00:47:01.220 When you play games

00:47:01.920 with your mum on Twitch.

00:47:02.940 Yeah, of course.

00:47:04.640 That is it,

00:47:05.260 that is, yeah.

00:47:05.940 But the point is,

00:47:06.440 a noted misogynist,

00:47:07.660 Carl Benjamin.

00:47:08.220 Massive white flag.

00:47:08.960 Yeah, but you know,

00:47:09.600 you say,

00:47:09.980 well, that's his mum,

00:47:10.640 isn't it?

00:47:10.980 But the point is

00:47:11.500 that there's no allegations

00:47:12.420 against me,

00:47:12.980 there never have been,

00:47:13.640 and I don't think

00:47:14.020 there ever will be,

00:47:14.720 because I'm just a fairly

00:47:16.500 decent chap towards women,

00:47:17.900 and I think lots of women

00:47:18.800 are aware of that,

00:47:20.280 who know me.

00:47:20.960 Yeah.

00:47:21.160 And so just trying to imply

00:47:22.720 that there's something,

00:47:23.920 you know,

00:47:24.860 untowards it,

00:47:25.360 that's just nonsense.

00:47:26.260 Grotesque.

00:47:26.640 And it's nice that

00:47:27.500 Narinda didn't have to come out

00:47:28.800 and speak in my defense.

00:47:30.380 She did quite early as well.

00:47:31.780 I wasn't aware

00:47:32.180 she'd done that.

00:47:32.680 And she got a lot of backlash,

00:47:34.580 and she was just replying,

00:47:35.400 no, that's just not true.

00:47:37.060 I spent the entire day with him,

00:47:38.180 lovely guy,

00:47:38.800 absolutely nothing to worry about.

00:47:40.520 And it was a very kind thing.

00:47:41.880 She didn't have to do it.

00:47:42.860 Yeah, and I think,

00:47:43.780 frankly,

00:47:44.240 Liz came away from the same impression.

00:47:45.560 We just had a very polite chat,

00:47:47.100 and it meant that

00:47:48.040 we're not the demons

00:47:48.960 that we're made out to be.

00:47:50.120 We're quite eminently sensible.

00:47:51.820 So there you go.

00:47:52.500 So I'll just move quickly

00:47:53.260 before we finish

00:47:53.960 onto the smears

00:47:55.680 that we're going to expect

00:47:57.080 retractions and apologies for.

00:47:58.800 Speaking of smear merchants,

00:48:00.260 because of this whole affair,

00:48:01.620 we have resurrected

00:48:02.540 the Dirty Dirty Smear Merchants t-shirt.

00:48:05.220 Now, if you buy a t-shirt,

00:48:07.220 it can be this t-shirt

00:48:07.780 or any other

00:48:08.240 on the current merch store,

00:48:09.980 and a magazine,

00:48:11.120 pre-order a copy

00:48:11.640 of Islander Magazine,

00:48:12.960 you do get free shipping.

00:48:14.480 So that's brilliant

00:48:15.120 on your whole order.

00:48:16.220 This will be this weekend only.

00:48:17.560 You don't need a code for it.

00:48:18.600 It'll be applied automatically.

00:48:20.200 So if you're watching this

00:48:21.540 on the day it goes out

00:48:22.600 on YouTube,

00:48:24.060 go to our website.

00:48:25.820 Go.

00:48:26.600 And this is the best way

00:48:27.600 to support us as well,

00:48:28.440 because obviously we're demonetized

00:48:29.380 on YouTube

00:48:29.780 and everywhere else.

00:48:30.500 So either sign up

00:48:31.960 or just go and buy the shirt

00:48:33.180 and then we'll see you

00:48:34.460 at the protest, basically.

00:48:36.100 Yeah, we really appreciate it.

00:48:37.180 So let's look at all the people

00:48:38.300 that got things wrong.

00:48:39.600 As you said,

00:48:40.560 Lewis Goodall.

00:48:42.520 I'll let this one play

00:48:44.420 because this is just demented.

00:48:46.500 I mean, this is crazy stuff.

00:48:47.820 I mean,

00:48:47.940 this is a former prime minister

00:48:49.060 of this country

00:48:49.700 and we're in the middle

00:48:50.500 of our general election campaign.

00:48:52.140 I mean,

00:48:52.380 for our own party's sake,

00:48:53.480 you know,

00:48:53.920 you might think that

00:48:54.540 she might just want to shut up

00:48:55.560 and let her current leader

00:48:57.160 get on with it,

00:48:58.160 but she's not doing that.

00:48:59.480 But, you know,

00:48:59.800 the Americans will be

00:49:00.560 in a presidential election campaign

00:49:01.980 in not too long.

00:49:03.260 The government of the day

00:49:04.100 and the future government

00:49:04.780 in five weeks' time

00:49:05.620 have got to negotiate

00:49:06.560 and deal with the administration,

00:49:08.860 which is the Biden administration.

00:49:10.080 And you have a former prime minister

00:49:11.340 going along,

00:49:12.400 endorsing the main opponent.

00:49:14.100 If I might pause there,

00:49:15.620 in the last election cycle,

00:49:16.900 Sajid Javid,

00:49:17.640 former chancellor,

00:49:18.380 sitting health minister,

00:49:19.700 endorsed Joe Biden

00:49:20.520 in the times,

00:49:22.000 I think.

00:49:22.500 So,

00:49:23.980 do one.

00:49:24.740 No former prime minister

00:49:26.080 would do this.

00:49:27.200 None.

00:49:28.200 They just wouldn't behave this way

00:49:29.380 because they recognise

00:49:30.240 that once you have been prime minister,

00:49:32.380 you have

00:49:32.940 a sort of imprimatur

00:49:34.340 of the state itself,

00:49:35.500 a legitimacy of the state itself.

00:49:37.180 It's like you're still...

00:49:37.860 Just have one second.

00:49:39.420 I don't know if he actually uses this

00:49:40.780 in the course of this

00:49:41.940 very unlettered rant,

00:49:43.580 but, I mean,

00:49:44.220 that's a pretty fascistic remark to make.

00:49:47.420 Former prime ministers

00:49:48.180 embody in their very person

00:49:49.680 the legitimacy of the state.

00:49:51.860 I don't know where he got that idea from.

00:49:53.600 Well, also,

00:49:54.140 if you've just been unfairly cooed out,

00:49:56.180 you might have a bit of a grudge against it

00:49:58.180 and you might want to voice that.

00:49:59.580 And if none of the mainstream platforms

00:50:00.760 are taking you seriously

00:50:01.720 and instead mocking you

00:50:03.060 as a rotting lettuce,

00:50:03.940 you might be more inclined

00:50:05.620 to go and speak to people

00:50:06.660 with sympathetic ears.

00:50:07.740 And I've got two very large ones.

00:50:08.960 And that's the thing as well.

00:50:10.480 The main critique here

00:50:11.800 is that the conservative prime minister

00:50:14.060 wanted to speak to conservative media.

00:50:16.640 How dare she?

00:50:17.700 So, why wouldn't she?

00:50:20.920 Every leftist,

00:50:21.860 member of parliament at the moment,

00:50:24.820 goes and talks to Novara Media

00:50:25.860 and no one says anything

00:50:27.200 because of course they would.

00:50:28.280 Why wouldn't they?

00:50:29.200 Why should a conservative

00:50:30.100 not want to speak to other conservatives?

00:50:31.540 Rory Stewart goes on Novara Media.

00:50:33.080 Exactly.

00:50:33.600 And you can,

00:50:34.080 in the immediate aftermath

00:50:36.520 of the 7th of October,

00:50:38.140 and okay, yeah,

00:50:38.680 she apologised,

00:50:39.460 but this,

00:50:40.560 was it Rivka Brown

00:50:41.600 who said that this will forever live on

00:50:43.400 in the,

00:50:43.980 in Palestinian mythology

00:50:45.220 as a day of legend and song.

00:50:46.820 I've never felt so proud.

00:50:48.320 And it's just,

00:50:48.860 that was the day after.

00:50:49.860 And everyone,

00:50:50.740 She had to walk that back

00:50:51.880 because that's a disgusting statement

00:50:52.980 in favour of terrorism.

00:50:53.960 Exactly.

00:50:54.340 Everyone knew what had happened that day.

00:50:55.580 It wasn't even a mysterious.

00:50:56.580 Everyone knew that it was.

00:50:57.500 We don't tweet things like that.

00:50:58.480 Exactly.

00:50:59.120 Exactly.

00:50:59.680 Because I don't want innocent people massacred,

00:51:01.200 frankly.

00:51:02.380 Anyway,

00:51:02.600 I'll move on from this moron,

00:51:03.700 but I did,

00:51:04.040 I did decide to just say,

00:51:05.620 oh,

00:51:05.780 I'd be more than happy

00:51:06.980 to speak to you about this

00:51:08.160 because what,

00:51:08.480 what about me is eccentric

00:51:09.880 or untoward or extreme?

00:51:12.040 I think I,

00:51:12.620 yeah.

00:51:13.320 Yeah.

00:51:13.560 It's extreme about our views.

00:51:15.320 Yeah.

00:51:15.440 It was a nice,

00:51:15.740 nice,

00:51:15.960 nice ratio this,

00:51:17.620 this fella.

00:51:18.480 Also,

00:51:19.300 Sky News ran round the clock coverage of this.

00:51:21.680 You noted that for some reason

00:51:22.980 they cut out part of your statement,

00:51:24.940 such as calling attention

00:51:25.720 to the grooming gang scandal.

00:51:26.720 I want,

00:51:26.960 I wonder why Sky News

00:51:28.560 who are actively engaged

00:51:30.640 in podcasts ahead of the election

00:51:32.560 with sitting,

00:51:34.000 well,

00:51:34.240 now no longer MPs,

00:51:35.620 but people running for labour,

00:51:37.660 including Jess Phillips,

00:51:38.700 if I remember correctly.

00:51:39.420 Yes, indeed.

00:51:39.920 Giving softballs interviews

00:51:41.040 to Angela Rainer and the like,

00:51:42.500 would be interested in not talking

00:51:43.940 about the grooming gang scandal.

00:51:45.360 I mean,

00:51:45.620 I've been talking about it

00:51:46.260 since 2014

00:51:46.920 when the,

00:51:47.760 what's her name?

00:51:49.400 Louise Casey report?

00:51:50.220 Jay,

00:51:50.480 Alexa Jay,

00:51:51.260 report came out

00:51:52.720 because this was just shocking

00:51:53.860 and it seems that the Labour Party

00:51:56.220 has engaged in a pattern

00:51:57.580 of behaviour

00:51:58.440 that you could describe

00:51:59.840 as a cover-up

00:52:00.380 and they seem to be responsible

00:52:02.220 for the grooming gangs.

00:52:03.740 They covered them up

00:52:04.360 and they don't care

00:52:05.720 because the victims

00:52:06.620 are predominantly white English girls.

00:52:08.780 So to say that I don't take

00:52:10.760 the safety of women and girls

00:52:12.580 seriously

00:52:12.880 is just nonsense.

00:52:13.520 I've been talking about this

00:52:14.360 for a long time

00:52:14.840 because I'm married

00:52:15.760 and I have two daughters.

00:52:17.440 This matters.

00:52:18.460 Yes, quite.

00:52:19.440 So,

00:52:20.100 on to the people

00:52:20.520 that do outright lies.

00:52:22.440 Right.

00:52:22.960 This is interesting.

00:52:24.280 Byline Times,

00:52:25.040 so I decided to quote tweet

00:52:26.740 them in here

00:52:27.320 because something interesting

00:52:29.000 happened.

00:52:29.780 Byline Times,

00:52:30.380 appearing on,

00:52:31.280 trust Liz,

00:52:32.000 appearing on the

00:52:32.660 Sagan of a CAD show.

00:52:34.660 Ah,

00:52:35.360 she didn't,

00:52:36.280 I'm afraid.

00:52:36.860 Your briefing from

00:52:37.520 Hope Not Hate

00:52:38.160 wasn't correct there.

00:52:40.080 Byline Times,

00:52:40.640 by the way,

00:52:41.100 the ones who defamed

00:52:42.420 Dan Wootten

00:52:42.980 and had to have

00:52:43.840 a significant payout

00:52:44.840 because they didn't retract

00:52:45.800 and I think they broke

00:52:46.700 the law actually,

00:52:47.560 didn't they?

00:52:47.940 I actually challenged

00:52:48.760 them on this

00:52:49.180 and they said,

00:52:49.720 oh,

00:52:50.060 such pedantry

00:52:50.840 won't get away,

00:52:52.160 it's your show.

00:52:52.840 It's like,

00:52:53.220 no,

00:52:53.540 it wasn't my show.

00:52:54.100 I don't have editorial

00:52:55.320 control of a kind of show.

00:52:56.960 I mean,

00:52:57.140 I could.

00:52:57.540 You instantiate it

00:52:58.400 if I wanted,

00:52:58.960 but I don't.

00:52:59.500 Karl has never told me

00:53:00.220 what to say

00:53:00.620 since I started working here.

00:53:01.840 He puts a dangerous

00:53:03.740 amount of trust in me.

00:53:04.640 I do.

00:53:05.540 Mostly it's because

00:53:06.200 I'm really lazy.

00:53:09.020 Why do I hire people

00:53:10.200 if I can't trust them

00:53:11.040 to regulate their own opinions?

00:53:13.020 Well,

00:53:13.160 quite.

00:53:13.660 Yeah.

00:53:14.340 So that's a false statement

00:53:15.680 and for some reason,

00:53:17.520 even though you've corrected them,

00:53:18.580 they haven't taken that back.

00:53:19.900 No,

00:53:20.200 and they doubled down on it.

00:53:21.160 That has been noted.

00:53:22.220 We'll seek a correction

00:53:23.660 in due course.

00:53:25.340 Also,

00:53:26.140 Rachel Paris.

00:53:26.780 So this is someone

00:53:27.460 who works on the MASH report

00:53:28.460 with Nish Kumar.

00:53:29.620 Oh,

00:53:29.840 good,

00:53:30.120 yeah.

00:53:30.320 And she said,

00:53:30.740 Liz Truss is doing an interview

00:53:31.640 with Karl Benjamin,

00:53:32.520 the guy who said about

00:53:33.520 Jess Phillips,

00:53:34.320 I wouldn't rape her.

00:53:35.600 Right.

00:53:35.920 Good.

00:53:36.700 Nobody should rape Jess Phillips.

00:53:38.460 Nobody should rape anyone.

00:53:39.500 I made a joke.

00:53:40.200 Don't get me wrong.

00:53:40.760 I'm not going to make the joke twice,

00:53:42.200 but that's not true.

00:53:43.920 Yes.

00:53:44.360 Yeah,

00:53:44.520 Karl is not interviewed.

00:53:46.260 So,

00:53:47.540 please retract

00:53:48.140 or you'll be hearing from us.

00:53:50.680 LBC as well.

00:53:51.420 They deleted this post.

00:53:53.440 Someone had some decency.

00:53:54.780 Yeah,

00:53:55.020 well,

00:53:55.340 we've lied.

00:53:56.180 Oh,

00:53:56.280 we better delete that.

00:53:57.040 Yeah,

00:53:57.220 well,

00:53:57.460 they didn't have some decency

00:53:58.340 because this is actually

00:53:58.860 the LBC producer

00:54:00.220 for Andrew Marr

00:54:01.320 saying that he will

00:54:02.140 raise the issue

00:54:03.360 of Liz Truss

00:54:03.920 appearing on

00:54:04.380 Karl Benjamin's podcast.

00:54:06.160 Again,

00:54:06.960 didn't speak to Karl,

00:54:08.220 spoke to me.

00:54:09.020 Weird that I wasn't allowed

00:54:10.000 to write a reply

00:54:10.640 on any of this though.

00:54:11.700 Yes.

00:54:12.280 Really weird.

00:54:12.860 But it's funny that,

00:54:13.980 so she says this again,

00:54:14.940 hasn't retracted.

00:54:16.320 LBC deleted this post

00:54:18.180 because in this,

00:54:20.600 this makes multiple false claims.

00:54:22.160 It says,

00:54:22.780 Tory party chairman

00:54:23.400 Richard Holden

00:54:23.900 tells LBC

00:54:24.380 he has no idea

00:54:25.060 why Liz Truss

00:54:25.580 appeared on a podcast

00:54:26.660 with host

00:54:27.280 who said he wouldn't

00:54:27.980 even rape

00:54:28.840 Labour MP

00:54:29.760 Jess Phillips.

00:54:31.660 Karl didn't say that.

00:54:32.380 Karl didn't interview Liz Truss.

00:54:33.640 You didn't issue a retraction

00:54:34.640 after this post

00:54:35.340 and it has been

00:54:35.940 screenshotted and noted.

00:54:37.100 So I suggest

00:54:37.860 an apology and a retraction

00:54:38.980 unless you land yourself

00:54:40.700 in a bit of trouble.

00:54:42.420 Speaking of LBC,

00:54:43.680 I decided to tweet

00:54:44.600 Richard Holden

00:54:45.600 because he hasn't commented

00:54:46.840 much on this beyond that.

00:54:47.840 But on air,

00:54:48.660 on LBC,

00:54:49.480 he was asked by Andrew Marr

00:54:51.380 why he appeared on this

00:54:52.320 and he said,

00:54:52.900 as you've described it to me,

00:54:53.840 these comments

00:54:54.200 are just unbelievably vile

00:54:55.200 and as everyone says

00:54:55.900 it's totally appalling.

00:54:56.840 I'm sure Liz Truss,

00:54:57.600 the former prime minister,

00:54:58.940 that these comments

00:55:00.000 are indeed appalling

00:55:00.820 and unacceptable.

00:55:01.840 Why on earth

00:55:02.260 she's appeared on this show,

00:55:03.040 I don't know.

00:55:03.780 I can't really comment.

00:55:04.680 And he said he'd raised

00:55:05.320 the podcast's appearance

00:55:06.000 with Truss.

00:55:06.480 Now,

00:55:06.820 we're not privy

00:55:07.240 to behind the scenes conversations.

00:55:08.860 I assume he's raised it

00:55:09.700 with Liz already.

00:55:10.560 Given Liz hasn't come out

00:55:11.420 and denounced it,

00:55:12.260 clearly there's no issue here

00:55:13.260 because again,

00:55:14.000 I'm a conservative party member

00:55:15.040 just asking a former prime minister

00:55:16.740 and potential MP

00:55:17.660 some questions.

00:55:19.080 Nothing to worry about.

00:55:20.340 I like the fact

00:55:20.900 that this controversy

00:55:21.640 revolves around

00:55:22.480 misogynist Carl Benjamin

00:55:24.420 platforming a woman.

00:55:28.020 Not like that.

00:55:29.420 And letting her speak

00:55:30.140 and talking admirably

00:55:30.960 of what she says afterwards.

00:55:32.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:32.740 Speaking highly of her, yeah.

00:55:33.740 Quite the horror.

00:55:34.640 The last two are just

00:55:35.580 the Swindon advertiser

00:55:36.540 who got community noted.

00:55:37.900 Liz Truss faces calls for sack

00:55:39.260 after Carl Benjamin interview.

00:55:40.280 Community note.

00:55:41.100 Carl Benjamin did not

00:55:41.840 interview Liz Truss.

00:55:42.560 Connor Tomlinson interviewed

00:55:43.440 Liz Truss.

00:55:44.660 I mean,

00:55:45.140 they could have just checked

00:55:45.760 any other media outlet

00:55:46.760 or just, you know,

00:55:47.160 the link.

00:55:47.680 Wasn't reached for comment

00:55:48.500 by the way.

00:55:49.080 No.

00:55:49.860 You know,

00:55:50.140 we're literally just down

00:55:50.920 the road from the

00:55:51.520 Swindon advertiser.

00:55:52.660 Yeah, we did put in the

00:55:54.160 description that this

00:55:55.700 wasn't the case

00:55:56.300 and they still haven't

00:55:56.920 retracted.

00:55:57.340 So again,

00:55:57.820 retraction and apology

00:55:58.620 would be nice.

00:55:59.580 Otherwise,

00:55:59.900 you'll be hearing from us.

00:56:00.580 The worst one,

00:56:02.540 oh no,

00:56:02.820 actually,

00:56:03.260 one quick thing on this.

00:56:04.440 In the article itself

00:56:05.100 in Swindon advertiser,

00:56:05.940 they quote Rishi Sunak.

00:56:06.620 So Rishi Sunak was asked

00:56:07.720 about this and he said,

00:56:08.700 Mr. Sunak told reporters.

00:56:09.860 Sorry,

00:56:10.220 just how did they get

00:56:11.480 a quote from Rishi Sunak

00:56:12.960 when no one else did?

00:56:13.880 Because he was in Devon.

00:56:15.280 Oh.

00:56:16.160 Right,

00:56:16.560 okay,

00:56:16.660 that explains it.

00:56:17.400 Right,

00:56:17.500 okay.

00:56:17.720 Maybe it was in that town

00:56:18.580 that you apparently

00:56:19.680 radicalised.

00:56:20.260 Totnes.

00:56:20.780 Yeah,

00:56:21.020 that you didn't go to.

00:56:22.080 Yeah,

00:56:22.260 thanks,

00:56:22.600 Marianna Springer.

00:56:23.500 Yeah,

00:56:23.680 another lie that we didn't

00:56:24.620 get Offcom action on,

00:56:25.980 but there you go.

00:56:26.460 Mr. Sunak told reporters

00:56:27.300 he's never heard of Lotus Eaters.

00:56:28.940 Well,

00:56:29.100 you have now,

00:56:29.640 Prime Minister.

00:56:30.660 When asked about his

00:56:31.580 predecessor's appearance

00:56:32.400 on the platform,

00:56:33.040 speaking on a visit

00:56:34.040 to Supercat,

00:56:34.660 the fence company in Devon,

00:56:35.520 he said,

00:56:36.020 I literally have never

00:56:36.740 heard of this platform

00:56:37.440 or indeed what has

00:56:38.120 happened today

00:56:38.580 because I've actually

00:56:39.220 spent most of my day

00:56:40.040 doing what you've

00:56:40.580 seen me doing,

00:56:41.320 which are talking to

00:56:41.840 people across Cornwall

00:56:42.540 and Devon about

00:56:43.020 what they're focused on.

00:56:44.680 Again,

00:56:45.380 actually stronger statement

00:56:46.700 than Richard Tice.

00:56:47.820 But also,

00:56:48.480 that's not a denunciation.

00:56:50.800 That's not a distancing.

00:56:52.860 That's,

00:56:53.640 I'm busy getting to work.

00:56:55.040 Why aren't you working?

00:56:56.660 LizTrust hasn't been

00:56:57.400 deselected.

00:56:59.080 Nothing bad

00:56:59.640 seems to have happened

00:57:00.260 to us.

00:57:01.760 Vibe Shift does seem

00:57:02.760 to be in process,

00:57:03.600 doesn't it?

00:57:04.020 Interesting.

00:57:04.620 Definitely.

00:57:05.820 Again,

00:57:06.400 I don't like Rishi Sunak's

00:57:07.760 policies or messaging,

00:57:08.860 but I actually appreciate

00:57:10.520 the not-today communists.

00:57:12.800 It's quite nice.

00:57:14.040 And the last one

00:57:14.860 was that Jeremy Hunt

00:57:16.080 was also asked about this

00:57:16.840 on Sky News.

00:57:17.840 Now,

00:57:18.500 Beth Rigby,

00:57:19.020 I'm not going to play the clip.

00:57:19.940 You can go and watch it

00:57:20.440 in your own time,

00:57:21.100 but she rattled off

00:57:22.280 a series of your past jokes

00:57:23.720 as if they were

00:57:24.240 deadly serious statements.

00:57:26.340 Jeremy Hunt said,

00:57:27.060 these sound appalling,

00:57:27.940 but also,

00:57:29.160 Liz trusts her own person,

00:57:30.260 she'll make her own

00:57:30.640 decisions,

00:57:31.020 I'm getting on with this.

00:57:32.120 And he also took a dig

00:57:32.940 at Liz Truss saying,

00:57:33.620 I undid all of her

00:57:34.460 reckless spending commitments.

00:57:36.100 Of course she did.

00:57:37.000 But Liz,

00:57:37.620 again,

00:57:38.660 did call out Jeremy Hunt

00:57:39.580 in our interview,

00:57:40.180 so there's bad blood

00:57:40.940 between them.

00:57:41.960 The interesting thing

00:57:42.540 is that Kay Burley's tweet,

00:57:44.520 which was made

00:57:45.260 on her account,

00:57:45.980 presumably run by her,

00:57:47.480 after she did the interview

00:57:49.520 with Jeremy Hunt,

00:57:50.100 so she knows this isn't true

00:57:51.640 because she said

00:57:52.080 something different,

00:57:53.100 she wrote,

00:57:53.880 former PM Liz Truss

00:57:55.220 appeared on a podcast

00:57:56.000 where Carl Benjamin said,

00:57:57.640 nobody has enough beer

00:57:58.580 to make him rape

00:57:59.200 Labour's Jess Phillips.

00:57:59.880 We're host cover,

00:58:00.880 so I said that

00:58:02.300 on a podcast

00:58:03.000 with Liz Truss

00:58:03.780 that I was hosting,

00:58:04.980 that is multiple.

00:58:06.240 That's the worst,

00:58:06.780 that's the worst one.

00:58:07.560 Those are all lies.

00:58:08.380 That's the worst one.

00:58:08.900 These have been pointed out

00:58:09.880 in the comments

00:58:10.880 by you,

00:58:11.340 in a quote-treated weight ratio

00:58:13.600 that I did.

00:58:14.860 It's been a day,

00:58:16.900 Kay Burley is not retracted.

00:58:18.900 So,

00:58:19.620 interesting.

00:58:20.280 Again,

00:58:20.800 we will take a retraction

00:58:21.740 or apology,

00:58:22.860 or I promise you,

00:58:24.440 you will be hearing from us.

00:58:26.120 Everyone who has lied about us

00:58:27.740 and known that they have lied about us,

00:58:29.820 you will be hearing from us

00:58:30.820 in due course.

00:58:31.720 We will accept an apology,

00:58:33.020 we will accept a public retraction,

00:58:34.160 and if not,

00:58:35.280 we will pursue

00:58:35.800 the necessary measures

00:58:36.800 that ensure we secure one.

00:58:38.160 But until then,

00:58:39.080 you're welcome to go

00:58:39.760 and watch the Liz Truss interview,

00:58:40.840 listen to what the former

00:58:41.480 Prime Minister has to say,

00:58:42.840 and I think that,

00:58:44.400 given she hasn't thrown us

00:58:45.240 under the bus

00:58:45.640 and stood by all of her words,

00:58:47.000 we might be able to make

00:58:47.860 a one-seat exemption

00:58:48.840 to zero seats.

00:58:51.720 Do you want the tech,

00:58:52.480 my friend?

00:58:52.840 It would be nice

00:58:53.820 if Liz Truss is the last

00:58:54.900 Conservative politician.

00:58:56.640 She,

00:58:57.200 I have word

00:58:58.480 that she probably

00:58:59.080 won't be the only one,

00:59:00.040 but some of the other ones

00:59:00.820 that may remain

00:59:01.400 may actually be sympathetic.

00:59:02.380 Not being the most

00:59:03.540 technically savvy person

00:59:04.600 in the world,

00:59:05.120 do forgive if I'm,

00:59:06.420 how do I,

00:59:06.700 there we go.

00:59:07.060 Do you want me to just

00:59:07.800 sort of stab the button?

00:59:08.500 Yeah,

00:59:08.740 if you wouldn't mind.

00:59:09.480 Okay,

00:59:09.780 so the present outlet

00:59:11.720 accepted,

00:59:12.300 of course,

00:59:13.100 Lotus Eaters always shows

00:59:14.080 an immense amount

00:59:14.600 of political analysis

00:59:15.200 which has been,

00:59:16.280 you know,

00:59:16.560 beautifully on display

00:59:17.260 just there,

00:59:18.100 the way in which

00:59:18.460 you've been calling out

00:59:19.060 all of these lies.

00:59:20.780 But as a general matter,

00:59:21.960 I don't know about you two,

00:59:22.840 but I,

00:59:23.680 nothing infuriates me more,

00:59:26.040 not so much the left doing,

00:59:28.260 expect the left

00:59:28.980 to do crazy things.

00:59:29.780 They're always going

00:59:30.340 to do crazy things.

00:59:30.680 The rabbit dog bites.

00:59:31.740 The rabbit dog bites.

00:59:33.100 When the right

00:59:33.840 does not take advantage

00:59:35.220 in the most opportune,

00:59:37.640 most sort of

00:59:38.900 power-seeking way possible,

00:59:39.920 that's what annoys me most.

00:59:40.860 And so I'm going to draw attention

00:59:41.920 to one particular story

00:59:42.720 which in itself

00:59:43.320 I don't regard

00:59:43.820 as particularly interesting.

00:59:45.300 You know,

00:59:45.800 the left,

00:59:46.880 they're in love

00:59:47.240 with minutiae,

00:59:48.440 Stalin wanted

00:59:51.300 to persecute

00:59:52.220 Kamenev

00:59:52.920 and Zinoviev

00:59:53.680 and all these people.

00:59:54.720 The left does

00:59:56.260 infighting

00:59:56.920 almost better

00:59:57.280 than it does

00:59:58.000 sort of persecution

00:59:59.060 of fascists

00:59:59.700 and all that sort of thing.

01:00:01.020 So I don't know about you,

01:00:02.140 but I'd actually forgotten

01:00:02.900 about the existence

01:00:03.660 of Diane Abbott.

01:00:05.040 She hasn't been

01:00:06.840 in the news

01:00:07.280 for quite a while,

01:00:07.880 but she's back there,

01:00:08.720 back in the political spotlight

01:00:09.820 at the moment.

01:00:10.820 How would you forget

01:00:11.260 the two left shoes moment?

01:00:12.280 Can I just say,

01:00:13.440 I actually don't dislike

01:00:14.900 Diane Abbott.

01:00:16.800 This is a difference

01:00:17.860 between us, Kamenev.

01:00:18.460 I know.

01:00:18.920 It's a very big difference.

01:00:21.820 She's the perfect intersection

01:00:22.860 of dumb and evil.

01:00:25.160 I agree.

01:00:27.220 Yeah.

01:00:27.400 But there's something

01:00:28.940 kind of bumbling

01:00:29.720 and boomer about her

01:00:30.800 that I actually don't

01:00:32.260 find distasteful.

01:00:33.580 And she's been a source

01:00:35.240 of some tremendous

01:00:35.940 political comedy.

01:00:37.320 Just her mathematics,

01:00:39.220 her dress sense.

01:00:41.800 She said some

01:00:42.980 remarkable things.

01:00:44.300 And so I've come to the point

01:00:45.380 where I kind of view her

01:00:46.780 as almost a part

01:00:48.200 of the furniture.

01:00:49.520 It's like,

01:00:50.440 you know,

01:00:50.900 she's just,

01:00:51.900 okay,

01:00:52.200 the Diane Abbott

01:00:53.540 of politics.

01:00:54.760 And so I don't hate her

01:00:57.040 and I don't find myself

01:00:58.720 even disliking her really.

01:01:00.400 And I quite look forward

01:01:01.200 to what she's done now

01:01:02.480 every time something's happened.

01:01:05.580 So I just want to make it clear

01:01:07.260 that I'm not a hater

01:01:08.780 of Diane Abbott at all.

01:01:09.980 She does,

01:01:10.260 one thing I will say

01:01:11.000 is that she does boast

01:01:11.820 the distinct virtue

01:01:12.680 and there are Democrat

01:01:13.720 left-wing politicians

01:01:14.460 in the US

01:01:14.900 who do the exact same thing

01:01:16.040 of saying how the broader

01:01:17.200 democratic beast

01:01:17.940 or in our country

01:01:18.560 the Labour beast

01:01:19.540 is really thinking.

01:01:20.780 People like Nancy Pelosi,

01:01:22.420 people like David Axelrod

01:01:23.740 who are sort of

01:01:24.220 more strategic minded

01:01:26.160 in politics

01:01:27.140 don't come out

01:01:28.160 with the sort of remarks

01:01:29.000 that someone like

01:01:29.440 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will

01:01:30.840 or Rashida Tlaib will

01:01:31.860 and likewise

01:01:32.500 Tony Blair won't

01:01:33.400 let the cat out of the bag

01:01:34.900 when speaking

01:01:36.060 at some globalist conference.

01:01:37.080 But Diane Abbott

01:01:37.460 will just say

01:01:38.260 what they think.

01:01:39.820 She's the impulsive id

01:01:40.520 of the Labour Party.

01:01:41.420 Precisely that.

01:01:42.520 But so I'm going to read

01:01:43.700 from a BBC report

01:01:44.380 because there's currently

01:01:45.420 as people may know

01:01:46.960 there's currently talk

01:01:48.280 about whether Diane Abbott

01:01:48.980 is going to be deselected

01:01:50.160 and Starmer seems

01:01:51.260 to be embarked

01:01:52.060 on some kind

01:01:53.400 of relentless purge

01:01:54.960 of people

01:01:55.820 who are more

01:01:56.600 politically adjacent

01:01:57.740 to Corbyn

01:01:58.260 than they are to Blair.

01:01:59.220 Let's put it that way.

01:02:00.100 Those are probably

01:02:00.540 the most useful ways

01:02:01.460 of thinking about it.

01:02:02.000 So as the BBC reports

01:02:02.720 Sir Keir has been accused

01:02:04.480 of carrying out

01:02:05.240 a purge

01:02:05.800 of left-wing candidates

01:02:06.680 and parachuting

01:02:07.720 his own supporters

01:02:08.440 into winnable seats.

01:02:09.840 Veteran left-winger

01:02:10.560 Diane Abbott

01:02:11.040 says she has been banned

01:02:11.960 from standing

01:02:12.360 as Labour candidate

01:02:12.920 something Sir Keir denies

01:02:14.200 insisting no decision

01:02:15.300 has been yet taken

01:02:16.560 on her future.

01:02:17.740 And so I don't think

01:02:18.900 again I don't think

01:02:19.540 this is particularly

01:02:20.040 interesting in itself

01:02:20.820 we'll see what happens

01:02:21.420 in the coming days

01:02:22.000 whether Diane Abbott

01:02:22.720 runs in whatever

01:02:23.460 her seat is

01:02:24.100 Hackney North

01:02:24.600 and Stoke Newington

01:02:25.220 could not possibly

01:02:26.380 be of less interest

01:02:27.080 to me.

01:02:27.960 But as we might expect

01:02:29.660 the far left

01:02:30.480 is very agitated

01:02:32.680 about all this

01:02:33.300 and they're trying

01:02:33.640 to draw more

01:02:34.380 general conclusions

01:02:35.060 from it

01:02:35.440 and saying that

01:02:35.840 this is indicative

01:02:36.680 of Starmer's

01:02:37.400 fundamentally

01:02:37.940 unscrupulous character.

01:02:39.240 Well I actually

01:02:40.040 agree with him.

01:02:40.680 I do too.

01:02:41.440 If the way

01:02:43.380 Starmer governs

01:02:44.260 the Labour Party

01:02:45.100 is any indication

01:02:46.240 on how he's going

01:02:46.880 to govern the country

01:02:47.620 and there's no reason

01:02:48.480 that we think

01:02:48.940 he shouldn't be

01:02:49.620 we're in trouble

01:02:50.760 lads.

01:02:51.860 Starmer seems to be

01:02:52.900 honestly arriving

01:02:55.060 at the sort of

01:02:55.500 position of a desk murderer

01:02:56.680 where he's just

01:02:57.200 willing to sign off

01:02:58.040 terrible things

01:02:59.440 and I mean

01:03:00.160 the idea that

01:03:00.760 Jeremy Corbyn

01:03:01.360 isn't deserving

01:03:03.040 of being in the

01:03:03.640 Labour Party

01:03:04.080 is kind of bizarre.

01:03:05.620 You know

01:03:05.740 five years ago

01:03:06.460 who's the leader

01:03:07.040 of the Labour Party?

01:03:08.360 So and Diane Abbott

01:03:09.420 and these people

01:03:10.120 have been in the

01:03:10.620 Labour Party

01:03:11.160 the last 40 years

01:03:12.420 so the idea

01:03:13.380 that these people

01:03:14.040 again they're not

01:03:14.460 part of the furniture

01:03:15.200 of the Labour Party

01:03:16.020 and Starmer can

01:03:16.840 just ruthlessly

01:03:17.620 again you know

01:03:18.980 lifetime of service

01:03:19.860 whether you agree

01:03:20.400 with that service

01:03:20.880 or not

01:03:21.140 and just say

01:03:21.440 no you're gone

01:03:22.600 to the gulag

01:03:23.880 with you

01:03:24.320 and it's not just

01:03:26.140 Diane Abbott

01:03:27.120 and Jeremy Corbyn

01:03:27.800 as well

01:03:28.040 I mean like

01:03:28.400 in Islington North

01:03:29.160 when Jeremy Corbyn

01:03:30.100 got kicked out

01:03:30.580 of the party

01:03:30.940 finally

01:03:31.380 some of the

01:03:32.320 councillors

01:03:32.760 objected

01:03:33.260 because obviously

01:03:33.700 they're close

01:03:34.160 to Jeremy Corbyn

01:03:34.940 and so Starmer

01:03:35.600 kicked them too.

01:03:36.620 Well Lloyd Russell-Moyle

01:03:37.360 who's the target

01:03:38.360 of this Owen Jones

01:03:39.380 in support of

01:03:40.620 Lloyd Russell-Moyle

01:03:41.240 was only on

01:03:41.780 Julia Hartley-Berruda's

01:03:42.620 show about a week ago

01:03:43.500 defending Keir Starmer

01:03:44.680 to the death

01:03:45.620 saying that we need

01:03:46.760 more migration

01:03:47.500 because of lower

01:03:48.280 birth rates

01:03:48.840 and like being

01:03:49.240 again another id

01:03:50.200 he has in the past

01:03:51.540 said we will fight

01:03:52.340 our enemies

01:03:52.780 in the streets

01:03:53.420 at campaign rally

01:03:54.080 so he is a massive

01:03:54.860 liability for him

01:03:55.720 but he's a devouted

01:03:57.000 far leftist

01:03:57.700 and Keir Starmer's

01:03:59.060 gone almost at

01:04:00.040 the 11th hour

01:04:00.760 because the election

01:04:01.440 has been called

01:04:01.820 so close to the quick

01:04:03.620 he's cut him out

01:04:05.300 for as Owen Jones

01:04:06.300 details here

01:04:07.060 Owen Jones is

01:04:08.240 former flatmate

01:04:08.960 and one of

01:04:10.100 Keir Starmer's

01:04:10.640 closest advisors

01:04:11.540 so he's replacing

01:04:13.300 them with loyalists.

01:04:14.240 But this thing

01:04:14.980 is very Stalin-esque

01:04:16.180 in these tactics

01:04:17.140 and it's actually

01:04:17.840 quite shocking

01:04:18.560 and there was a

01:04:19.500 report the other day

01:04:20.140 where Keir Starmer

01:04:20.720 in the Times

01:04:21.700 where he's like

01:04:22.000 oh I find it easy

01:04:22.700 to be ruthless

01:04:23.240 and it's like

01:04:23.620 yeah but that's

01:04:24.440 the sign of a

01:04:25.180 lack of empathy

01:04:25.960 Keir

01:04:26.440 So he's being

01:04:27.380 self-professed

01:04:27.880 socialist

01:04:28.380 Yeah and sociopath

01:04:29.940 Yeah and it's

01:04:30.860 strange that

01:04:31.280 maybe at the

01:04:32.040 level of method

01:04:33.140 if not ideology

01:04:34.060 you've got

01:04:34.740 Sir Keir Starmer

01:04:35.360 being probably

01:04:35.900 a little bit

01:04:36.260 closer to Stalin

01:04:36.940 in this scenario

01:04:37.500 than Jeremy Corbyn

01:04:38.180 was when he was

01:04:38.680 himself leader

01:04:39.200 admittedly

01:04:40.580 Jeremy Corbyn

01:04:41.120 was probably not

01:04:42.400 in a very strong

01:04:43.160 position in terms

01:04:43.840 of just sheer

01:04:44.320 arithmetic

01:04:44.720 to do a purge

01:04:45.880 of the Parliamentary

01:04:46.480 Labour Party

01:04:46.860 given the fact

01:04:47.300 that the Parliamentary

01:04:47.900 Labour Party

01:04:48.300 was already

01:04:49.000 pretty hostile

01:04:49.480 to him

01:04:49.780 and he clearly

01:04:50.160 had to climb

01:04:50.640 down from a lot

01:04:51.180 of former

01:04:51.800 commitments

01:04:52.160 but nevertheless

01:04:52.740 so the reason I

01:04:54.560 don't actually hate

01:04:55.460 Diane Abbott

01:04:56.160 or Jeremy Corbyn

01:04:57.520 is because they

01:04:58.420 don't seem to have

01:04:59.040 this streak of

01:04:59.700 cruelty in them

01:05:00.640 right

01:05:01.200 they're stupid

01:05:03.360 they believe crazy

01:05:04.500 things and

01:05:05.300 they have

01:05:05.880 and dangerous

01:05:06.440 if they were

01:05:06.780 given power

01:05:07.240 wildly dangerous

01:05:08.180 that they have

01:05:08.760 a very idealistic

01:05:09.920 view of

01:05:10.320 they would undoubtedly

01:05:11.520 be ruinous and

01:05:12.320 catastrophic for the

01:05:13.040 country

01:05:13.360 we undoubtedly

01:05:14.340 would suffer

01:05:15.000 but they don't

01:05:16.760 seem like cruel

01:05:17.620 people

01:05:18.260 they don't seem

01:05:19.100 like people who

01:05:19.680 are just heartless

01:05:21.080 and will just

01:05:22.800 make really shocking

01:05:24.780 decisions

01:05:25.280 I don't think

01:05:26.740 Diane Abbott

01:05:27.280 if I was

01:05:27.880 in front of her

01:05:28.700 would pull the

01:05:29.180 trigger

01:05:29.360 but Keir Starmer

01:05:29.940 would

01:05:30.200 yeah

01:05:30.680 that's exactly

01:05:31.720 what I'm saying

01:05:32.320 I don't think

01:05:33.000 that Jeremy Corbyn

01:05:33.740 would pull the

01:05:34.280 trigger

01:05:34.460 but I think

01:05:35.100 that Keir Starmer

01:05:36.200 would

01:05:36.460 and I think

01:05:36.980 he will

01:05:37.440 well we've just

01:05:43.640 received some

01:05:44.020 breaking news

01:05:44.600 and it turns out

01:05:45.720 that all of this

01:05:46.260 is redundant

01:05:46.680 no fortunately not

01:05:47.380 because it's not

01:05:47.840 the main focus

01:05:48.620 of my thing

01:05:49.380 but it turns out

01:05:50.100 that Diane Abbott

01:05:50.500 actually is going

01:05:51.140 she's not being

01:05:51.960 selected

01:05:52.380 and so whether

01:05:53.040 that's Keir Starmer

01:05:53.960 jumping at the

01:05:54.480 last minute

01:05:54.940 Angela Rayner

01:05:55.900 was going around

01:05:56.780 defending her

01:05:57.840 so I wonder

01:05:58.780 if it's cabinet

01:05:59.620 rebellion

01:06:00.020 because Starmer

01:06:00.800 knows not being

01:06:01.300 funny

01:06:01.560 he's going to be

01:06:02.540 in a precarious

01:06:03.080 position when he

01:06:03.660 gets in

01:06:04.100 and Wes

01:06:04.860 Streeting

01:06:05.320 and Angela

01:06:05.900 Rayner

01:06:06.160 are both

01:06:06.580 very ambitious

01:06:07.860 politicians

01:06:08.380 so they could

01:06:09.300 mount a leadership

01:06:09.900 challenge against

01:06:10.540 him

01:06:10.680 I'll just read

01:06:11.300 the news

01:06:12.520 on the BBC

01:06:12.960 so Abbott

01:06:13.540 will be

01:06:13.860 Labour's

01:06:14.160 Kansas

01:06:14.360 and Hackney

01:06:14.800 a party

01:06:15.100 source says

01:06:15.560 in the last

01:06:16.320 few minutes

01:06:16.940 literally a couple

01:06:17.720 of minutes ago

01:06:18.140 we've heard

01:06:18.740 Labour leader

01:06:19.440 Keir Starmer

01:06:20.500 Brian Abbott

01:06:20.820 is quote

01:06:21.240 free to go

01:06:21.920 forward

01:06:22.300 as a Labour

01:06:23.080 candidate

01:06:23.440 a senior Labour

01:06:24.120 source has

01:06:24.560 clarified that

01:06:25.200 this means

01:06:25.560 Abbott will be

01:06:26.300 Labour's candidate

01:06:26.780 in the constituency

01:06:27.460 of Hackney North

01:06:28.060 and Stoke Newington

01:06:28.940 they also confirm

01:06:30.020 the National Executive

01:06:30.580 Committee

01:06:30.920 NEC

01:06:31.300 Labour's governing

01:06:32.080 body will not

01:06:32.760 block her

01:06:33.100 the committee

01:06:33.380 will meet

01:06:33.900 next week

01:06:34.360 to endorse

01:06:34.740 all Labour's

01:06:35.180 candidates

01:06:35.440 before nominations

01:06:36.220 legally close

01:06:36.860 on the 7th

01:06:37.380 of June

01:06:37.880 a week from now

01:06:38.760 the full list

01:06:39.340 of candidates

01:06:39.680 running the Hackney

01:06:40.220 North and Stoke

01:06:40.720 Newington

01:06:40.960 constituency

01:06:41.300 will be on our

01:06:41.920 website

01:06:42.200 after nominations

01:06:42.880 close

01:06:43.300 but that was

01:06:44.120 a knife edge

01:06:44.700 wasn't it

01:06:45.180 oh gosh

01:06:45.820 yeah

01:06:45.960 that was

01:06:46.440 this obviously

01:06:47.640 was very very

01:06:48.400 close to not

01:06:49.080 being the case

01:06:49.620 this decision

01:06:49.860 would have been

01:06:50.220 made very very

01:06:50.720 recently indeed

01:06:51.340 but nevertheless

01:06:51.720 there's a broader

01:06:52.700 gripe that

01:06:54.020 the far left

01:06:55.220 of the Labour

01:06:55.600 Party

01:06:55.840 although I think

01:06:56.260 Owen Jones

01:06:56.620 has actually now

01:06:57.060 left the Labour

01:06:57.540 Party

01:06:57.800 but nevertheless

01:06:58.740 the far left

01:07:00.880 no he left

01:07:01.640 you did a whole

01:07:02.220 video on why

01:07:02.800 he left

01:07:03.180 on principle

01:07:03.840 and people

01:07:04.360 like Aaron

01:07:04.600 Bastani as well

01:07:05.360 the kind of

01:07:05.700 Novara bros

01:07:06.520 the sort of

01:07:06.880 Owen Jones bros

01:07:08.460 he endorses

01:07:09.480 a Green Party

01:07:09.900 candidate

01:07:10.180 yes indeed so

01:07:11.680 and so clearly

01:07:12.220 the left is

01:07:12.660 going through

01:07:13.000 the far left

01:07:13.800 at any rate

01:07:14.320 is going through

01:07:14.960 a kind of

01:07:16.300 crisis at the

01:07:16.940 moment

01:07:17.100 and so we'll

01:07:17.460 just read some

01:07:17.880 of what

01:07:18.160 Owen Jones

01:07:18.600 is saying

01:07:18.980 about the

01:07:19.860 mentality

01:07:20.480 exactly what

01:07:21.620 Karl and Conor

01:07:22.300 are talking

01:07:22.600 about

01:07:22.800 the rather

01:07:24.920 calculated

01:07:25.520 cruelty

01:07:25.940 which

01:07:26.460 distinguishes

01:07:27.340 Starmer

01:07:27.740 from perhaps

01:07:28.860 more naive

01:07:29.400 wet behind

01:07:29.800 the ears

01:07:30.040 radicals

01:07:30.520 who is still

01:07:30.980 nevertheless

01:07:31.440 very dangerous

01:07:31.880 so okay

01:07:32.380 everyone

01:07:32.700 gather round

01:07:33.340 Owen Jones

01:07:33.660 says

01:07:33.840 here's a

01:07:34.480 lovely little

01:07:35.020 story for you

01:07:35.600 all

01:07:35.800 Chris Ward

01:07:36.520 Keir Starmer's

01:07:37.660 former chief of

01:07:38.380 staff was a

01:07:38.900 long time

01:07:39.260 close friend

01:07:39.800 of Owen Jones

01:07:40.440 he stayed

01:07:41.320 at my parents

01:07:41.880 flat in

01:07:42.260 Edinburgh

01:07:42.500 we got drunk

01:07:43.100 together

01:07:43.460 made repetitive

01:07:44.140 Alan Partridge

01:07:44.760 based gags

01:07:45.320 we argued

01:07:45.980 about politics

01:07:46.540 a lot

01:07:46.860 understandable

01:07:47.600 given his

01:07:48.140 love of

01:07:48.420 Tony Blair

01:07:48.840 and unrepentant

01:07:49.840 support for

01:07:50.260 the Iraq war

01:07:50.900 Jesus Christ

01:07:52.480 there would have

01:07:53.560 been some

01:07:53.840 interesting

01:07:54.060 conversations

01:07:54.480 perhaps

01:07:54.940 he was obsessed

01:07:55.740 with becoming

01:07:56.120 an MP in his

01:07:56.680 hometown

01:07:57.040 Brighton

01:07:57.460 that's also

01:07:57.800 my hometown

01:07:58.340 for my sins

01:07:58.920 you poor git

01:07:59.740 I know

01:08:00.200 I know

01:08:00.600 I'm a long

01:08:01.780 suffering

01:08:02.280 Brightonian

01:08:02.800 he was obsessed

01:08:03.960 with becoming

01:08:04.300 an MP in his

01:08:04.820 hometown

01:08:05.020 of Brighton

01:08:05.420 his greatest

01:08:05.940 ire wasn't

01:08:06.580 reserved for

01:08:07.320 the Tories

01:08:07.780 the Tories

01:08:08.300 the Tories

01:08:08.840 but for the

01:08:09.480 Green Party

01:08:09.960 not least

01:08:10.560 Caroline Lucas

01:08:11.140 who was

01:08:11.540 something of a

01:08:12.060 demonic figure

01:08:12.800 for him

01:08:13.240 based

01:08:13.560 we discussed

01:08:16.180 his frustrations

01:08:17.060 at his

01:08:17.560 flatlining

01:08:18.180 career

01:08:18.640 slide dig

01:08:19.560 there from

01:08:19.920 Jones

01:08:20.200 condemned

01:08:21.020 to a

01:08:26.580 years long

01:08:27.080 exile of

01:08:27.580 being a

01:08:27.820 parliamentary

01:08:28.260 bag carrier

01:08:29.080 until some

01:08:29.860 new MP

01:08:30.320 called

01:08:30.640 Keir Starmer

01:08:31.320 scooped him

01:08:32.100 up

01:08:32.340 during the

01:08:33.220 2020

01:08:33.580 Labour

01:08:34.100 leadership

01:08:34.420 campaign

01:08:35.000 Chris Ward

01:08:35.680 regaled me

01:08:36.360 with fascinating

01:08:36.960 tidbits

01:08:37.540 like Keir

01:08:38.320 Starmer

01:08:38.540 really wants

01:08:39.040 John

01:08:39.240 Macdonald

01:08:39.580 to stay

01:08:39.920 on a

01:08:40.120 shadow

01:08:40.300 chancellor

01:08:40.720 he would

01:08:41.300 ring me

01:08:41.580 up to

01:08:41.880 promise me

01:08:42.280 that pledges

01:08:42.760 like increased

01:08:43.400 tax on the

01:08:43.980 top 5%

01:08:44.740 were ironclad

01:08:45.400 in other words

01:08:45.940 okay yes there's

01:08:47.140 going to be a

01:08:47.460 change of

01:08:47.780 personnel but

01:08:48.420 Keir Starmer

01:08:49.120 is faithfully

01:08:50.360 going to continue

01:08:51.260 at least in

01:08:51.860 significant part

01:08:52.880 of the

01:08:53.060 Corbynite legacy

01:08:53.680 basically trying

01:08:54.360 to reassure

01:08:54.760 people like

01:08:55.080 Jones that

01:08:55.380 this was the

01:08:56.280 personnel change

01:08:56.900 more than it

01:08:57.200 was an

01:08:57.380 ideological shift

01:08:58.140 and this is

01:08:58.620 what Starmer

01:08:59.080 lied about

01:09:02.340 is that he

01:09:03.340 was a strong

01:09:03.920 supporter of

01:09:04.500 Jeremy Corbyn

01:09:05.140 right up until

01:09:05.840 he gained power

01:09:06.500 and then Jeremy

01:09:07.520 Corbyn got

01:09:07.980 gulagged as

01:09:08.660 well

01:09:08.940 yes indeed

01:09:09.460 ruthless

01:09:10.280 and he was

01:09:10.780 and he was

01:09:11.520 on an incredibly

01:09:12.960 slippery and

01:09:13.540 suspicious character

01:09:14.180 as well

01:09:14.440 he was on

01:09:15.060 Beth Rigby's

01:09:16.060 Sky News show

01:09:17.080 the other day

01:09:17.500 and just

01:09:17.780 just you know

01:09:19.080 sort of

01:09:19.500 Michael Howard

01:09:21.080 levels of

01:09:21.620 just dodging

01:09:22.400 the question

01:09:22.880 Beth Rigby

01:09:23.760 didn't ask him

01:09:24.260 it 25 times

01:09:24.880 like do you

01:09:25.500 regret supporting

01:09:26.400 Jeremy Corbyn

01:09:27.000 now that you're

01:09:27.420 clearly at the

01:09:28.960 helm of a purge

01:09:29.740 of everyone who

01:09:30.360 was ever sympathetic

01:09:31.000 to Corbyn

01:09:31.580 now that you

01:09:32.220 kicked him

01:09:32.780 out of the

01:09:33.220 party

01:09:33.520 well indeed

01:09:34.120 during the

01:09:36.300 2020

01:09:36.620 oh no I've

01:09:37.140 read that

01:09:37.340 but he would

01:09:37.880 bring me up

01:09:38.180 blah blah blah

01:09:38.440 needless to

01:09:39.140 say I wasn't

01:09:39.800 convinced by

01:09:40.400 this I wasn't

01:09:40.940 convinced that

01:09:41.480 the Corbynite

01:09:42.200 legacy would

01:09:43.120 be faithfully

01:09:44.000 continued by

01:09:44.580 Starmer and

01:09:45.700 didn't vote for

01:09:46.340 his candidate

01:09:46.800 but there's an

01:09:47.280 insight into just

01:09:47.980 how pathologically

01:09:48.980 dishonest that

01:09:49.920 campaign was

01:09:50.600 this is what

01:09:51.280 we're talking

01:09:51.620 about broken

01:09:52.300 clocks two times

01:09:53.080 a day and all

01:09:53.520 that in the

01:09:54.280 case of Owen

01:09:54.700 Jones he then

01:09:55.620 went on to

01:09:56.160 work for

01:09:56.580 Hanbury

01:09:56.900 strategy a

01:09:57.540 corporate

01:09:57.820 lobbying firm

01:09:58.420 set up by

01:09:58.960 two Tories

01:09:59.560 one of them

01:10:00.220 the former PR

01:10:01.000 lead for

01:10:01.460 vote leave

01:10:01.880 what I would

01:10:02.540 say is this

01:10:03.120 and this is

01:10:03.520 where it gets

01:10:03.960 why would they

01:10:04.600 hire a guy like

01:10:05.380 that because

01:10:05.840 it's uniparty

01:10:06.540 of course

01:10:07.120 this is where

01:10:08.040 it gets a little

01:10:08.460 bit tiresome

01:10:08.980 from Jones

01:10:09.440 Lloyd Russell

01:10:10.860 Moyle is a

01:10:11.420 gay man

01:10:11.980 like all the

01:10:12.800 politicians purged

01:10:13.640 by Starmer so

01:10:14.220 far from a

01:10:14.840 minority more on

01:10:15.940 the obsession

01:10:16.380 with minoritarianism

01:10:17.300 and admitted it

01:10:18.040 is the main

01:10:18.480 point of this

01:10:18.920 segment and the

01:10:20.080 first of his

01:10:20.440 family to go to

01:10:21.020 university who

01:10:21.520 has been purged

01:10:22.080 from his seat

01:10:22.500 with the help

01:10:22.840 of a nicely

01:10:23.300 timed

01:10:23.680 dexatious

01:10:24.200 complaint

01:10:24.640 I think that

01:10:25.080 was about

01:10:25.360 sexually untoward

01:10:27.440 behaviour was it

01:10:28.040 not

01:10:28.240 in the case of

01:10:31.000 that was the

01:10:31.380 case so again

01:10:33.080 lots of accusations

01:10:33.700 of Tory sleaze

01:10:34.460 warranted for

01:10:35.280 many MPs

01:10:36.080 yes he doesn't

01:10:37.780 have a name like

01:10:38.220 Pinscher though

01:10:38.640 does he

01:10:38.900 no which is

01:10:39.740 what tends to

01:10:41.120 give it away

01:10:41.440 no but he does

01:10:41.740 have Russell

01:10:42.140 that's true

01:10:43.260 as Starmer's

01:10:44.880 allies carve up

01:10:45.740 parliamentary seats

01:10:46.380 like colonial

01:10:46.980 administrators divvying

01:10:48.040 up their spoils

01:10:48.760 ward like a

01:10:49.480 vulture set to

01:10:50.060 steal this seat

01:10:50.640 with not a

01:10:51.200 single local

01:10:51.700 member voting

01:10:52.260 for him

01:10:52.580 those local

01:10:53.320 members should

01:10:53.680 feel furious

01:10:54.200 they had a

01:10:54.640 principled

01:10:54.960 independent

01:10:55.380 minded MP

01:10:55.920 they now have

01:10:56.380 a professional

01:10:56.820 political operator

01:10:57.500 turned corporate

01:10:58.480 lobbyist who

01:10:59.260 will be a

01:10:59.620 stooge for

01:10:59.980 whatever his

01:11:00.340 old boss

01:11:00.900 tells him to

01:11:01.580 say or do

01:11:02.100 and they

01:11:02.560 have no

01:11:02.900 say over

01:11:03.160 the matter

01:11:03.380 well I

01:11:04.120 think Brighton

01:11:04.560 deserves better

01:11:05.180 vote Elaine

01:11:05.740 for Kemptown

01:11:06.220 for the

01:11:06.460 Green Party

01:11:06.920 well now he

01:11:07.460 knows how

01:11:07.820 conservative

01:11:08.180 members feel

01:11:08.720 with Liz

01:11:09.000 Truss being

01:11:09.340 kicked out

01:11:09.760 and installed

01:11:10.220 Richard

01:11:10.460 Sunak instead

01:11:11.020 quite so

01:11:11.580 and there's

01:11:12.500 a picture

01:11:12.760 from sort

01:11:13.260 of more

01:11:13.740 halcyon days

01:11:14.360 I suppose

01:11:14.780 before the

01:11:15.580 separation

01:11:17.540 in any case

01:11:19.000 so let's get

01:11:20.680 on to the main

01:11:21.040 point of this

01:11:21.420 segment

01:11:21.680 far less

01:11:22.660 interesting to

01:11:23.200 me than

01:11:23.780 left wing

01:11:24.080 infighting

01:11:24.660 that's as

01:11:25.340 old as time

01:11:26.000 itself

01:11:26.740 is the

01:11:28.580 completely

01:11:29.680 hopeless

01:11:30.240 angle so

01:11:33.400 many people

01:11:33.920 broadly speaking

01:11:34.900 on the right

01:11:35.500 on the anti-woke

01:11:36.920 side of the

01:11:37.320 culture war

01:11:37.840 are taking

01:11:38.460 on this issue

01:11:39.360 because as

01:11:40.020 people will

01:11:40.680 likely remember

01:11:41.200 I think it was

01:11:41.560 in April of

01:11:42.040 last year

01:11:42.400 there we go

01:11:42.720 23rd of April

01:11:43.340 2023 that

01:11:44.520 Diane Abbott

01:11:45.060 landed herself

01:11:45.680 in some very

01:11:46.360 serious trouble

01:11:47.420 and obviously

01:11:48.280 it sounds like

01:11:48.820 she's now going

01:11:49.300 to be keeping

01:11:49.960 her seat

01:11:50.400 but there was

01:11:51.380 an internal

01:11:51.660 investigation in

01:11:52.220 the Labour

01:11:52.420 Party

01:11:52.660 that linked

01:11:53.180 the investigation

01:11:53.800 she was cleared

01:11:54.660 she did

01:11:54.960 apologise for it

01:11:55.980 but it goes

01:11:56.640 to show

01:11:57.160 what are the

01:11:58.100 real tripwires

01:11:58.880 in British

01:11:59.280 politics

01:11:59.580 and what

01:11:59.940 are not

01:12:00.320 the tripwires

01:12:01.100 in British

01:12:01.440 politics

01:12:01.780 and I

01:12:02.760 think that

01:12:03.100 anyone

01:12:03.400 who isn't

01:12:04.380 intent on

01:12:04.880 taking politics

01:12:05.500 seriously

01:12:05.880 should make

01:12:06.360 sure that

01:12:07.020 any tripwires

01:12:07.640 which do

01:12:07.920 exist

01:12:08.340 are laid

01:12:09.880 in their

01:12:10.400 favour

01:12:10.720 and are not

01:12:11.600 disadvantageous

01:12:14.100 to your own

01:12:14.480 side

01:12:14.660 because then

01:12:15.080 all you're

01:12:15.620 doing is

01:12:16.140 operating

01:12:16.580 and playing

01:12:17.120 under the

01:12:18.300 rules of

01:12:18.660 your

01:12:19.380 professed

01:12:20.540 political

01:12:20.900 enemies

01:12:21.160 and so

01:12:21.400 this is

01:12:21.620 what Diane

01:12:21.920 Abbott

01:12:22.540 actually said

01:12:23.180 she said

01:12:24.340 from the

01:12:24.800 Observer

01:12:25.100 23rd of

01:12:26.500 April

01:12:26.640 2023

01:12:27.120 I think

01:12:28.100 Tomima

01:12:29.300 Owlade

01:12:30.160 I'm not

01:12:30.580 very good

01:12:30.860 at this

01:12:31.060 I think

01:12:31.700 he writes

01:12:32.020 for the

01:12:32.860 New Statesman

01:12:33.360 and for

01:12:33.700 the Times

01:12:34.100 occasionally

01:12:34.500 but he's

01:12:34.800 an intelligent

01:12:35.820 young

01:12:36.740 commentator

01:12:37.940 who wrote

01:12:38.680 a piece

01:12:39.000 saying

01:12:39.240 racism

01:12:39.520 in Britain

01:12:39.920 is not

01:12:40.200 a black

01:12:40.500 and white

01:12:40.760 issue

01:12:41.040 it's far

01:12:41.500 more

01:12:41.660 complicated

01:12:42.120 and so

01:12:42.520 Diane Abbott

01:12:42.980 then wrote

01:12:43.400 a letter

01:12:43.800 into

01:12:44.300 looks like

01:12:45.060 the Observer

01:12:45.460 to take

01:12:46.280 issue

01:12:46.500 with what

01:12:47.000 Tomiwa

01:12:47.460 had been

01:12:47.740 saying

01:12:48.100 Tomiwa

01:12:48.900 Owlade

01:12:49.580 claims that

01:12:50.180 Irish

01:12:50.540 Jewish

01:12:50.900 and

01:12:51.160 traveller

01:12:51.480 people

01:12:51.720 all suffer

01:12:52.320 from

01:12:52.560 racism

01:12:52.920 they

01:12:53.980 undoubtedly

01:12:54.420 experience

01:12:54.880 prejudice

01:12:55.280 she says

01:12:56.020 this is

01:12:56.540 similar

01:12:56.800 to

01:12:56.980 racism

01:12:57.300 and the

01:12:57.600 two

01:12:57.780 words

01:12:57.960 are

01:12:58.080 often

01:12:58.360 used

01:12:58.640 as if

01:12:58.900 they

01:12:59.020 are

01:12:59.120 interchangeable

01:13:00.140 now I'm

01:13:01.180 going to have to have an

01:13:01.860 intersectional debate with

01:13:02.940 Diane Abbott on the definition of racism

01:13:04.980 indeed so

01:13:05.560 and more and more minutiae

01:13:07.960 they do like it

01:13:08.580 it is true that many types of white people

01:13:10.340 with points of difference

01:13:11.480 such as redheads

01:13:12.600 can experience this prejudice

01:13:14.280 but they are not at all

01:13:15.780 sorry they're not all their lives subject to racism

01:13:18.320 in pre-civil rights America

01:13:19.920 Irish people

01:13:21.060 Jewish people

01:13:21.560 and travellers

01:13:22.040 were not required to sit at the back of the bus

01:13:23.820 Irish people in fact were

01:13:24.840 the N word was used for Irish people in America

01:13:26.340 white N's

01:13:27.400 they used to call it

01:13:27.940 yeah that was

01:13:28.360 that was true

01:13:28.820 yes

01:13:29.180 so that

01:13:30.140 again Diane Abbott said something stupid

01:13:32.260 grass is green

01:13:33.060 it is

01:13:34.600 it has been known to happen Connor

01:13:35.920 in apartheid South Africa

01:13:37.000 these groups were allowed to vote

01:13:38.240 and at the height of slavery

01:13:39.000 there were no white seeming people

01:13:40.280 manacled on

01:13:41.520 the slave ships

01:13:42.840 so that was

01:13:43.520 the only example of slavery

01:13:45.180 in all of history

01:13:46.160 that's

01:13:47.400 again

01:13:47.720 so tight

01:13:48.260 1.25 million

01:13:49.440 English people were kidnapped by the Barbary pirates

01:13:51.500 and sold into slavery

01:13:52.260 indeed

01:13:53.820 no one troubling them for reparations

01:13:55.900 no one troubling them whatsoever for reparations

01:13:58.400 and of course in Africa as well

01:14:00.160 in West Africa

01:14:01.220 it's one thing to engage in slavery

01:14:03.820 and to express obvious

01:14:05.860 to express in-group preferences

01:14:08.560 to the point that are so grotesque

01:14:10.020 that you're willing to enslave people

01:14:11.460 who are in part of your out-group

01:14:12.720 it's another thing altogether

01:14:13.820 to sell your own people into slavery

01:14:16.540 you know

01:14:17.380 that was what happened on the coast of West Africa

01:14:18.840 at that time

01:14:20.120 in the 17th and 18th centuries

01:14:21.980 white people

01:14:23.600 didn't feel particularly confident

01:14:24.820 going too deep into Africa

01:14:26.080 because there were all sorts of diseases

01:14:27.420 which they would not have immunity to

01:14:28.860 and this was

01:14:29.300 there was an understanding

01:14:30.600 that this was not a wise thing to do

01:14:31.760 that's why

01:14:32.280 they relied on tribal warfare

01:14:33.880 going on in West African

01:14:35.140 in West African states at the time

01:14:37.980 and slave shippers

01:14:40.040 deliberately strategized

01:14:42.620 based on where the tribal warfare was

01:14:43.940 because that's where you would be most likely

01:14:45.440 to have you know

01:14:46.640 copious slaves coming to the shore

01:14:48.660 and taking them across the Atlantic

01:14:50.400 but yes as I say

01:14:52.400 the framing has been all wrong on this

01:14:54.240 so obviously

01:14:55.000 I think the main point

01:14:56.220 that I would want to make here

01:14:57.020 is that this is

01:14:58.040 Karl just said that

01:14:58.940 this is textbook intersectionality

01:15:00.980 from Diane Abbott

01:15:02.100 there's a sort of hierarchy

01:15:03.020 of victimhood going on here

01:15:04.220 and there's always been

01:15:05.400 an awkward point of tension

01:15:06.640 in left-wing discourse

01:15:07.540 about Jewish people in particular

01:15:09.460 because a lot of people

01:15:11.300 a lot of race-baiting communists

01:15:12.680 a lot of lying race-baiting communists

01:15:13.900 like the people that hope not hate

01:15:14.900 they effectively think of Jews

01:15:17.340 as essentially white

01:15:18.220 yes

01:15:18.720 if anything they think of them

01:15:19.900 as super whites

01:15:20.680 because an incredibly successful minority

01:15:23.640 which in itself is

01:15:26.020 I mean if the whole society

01:15:28.120 is structured around the concerns

01:15:29.720 of the white majority

01:15:30.800 and yet you have this

01:15:31.620 massively over-performing minority

01:15:33.160 living in those societies

01:15:34.300 successfully as Jews

01:15:35.300 have done for two centuries

01:15:36.920 in Anglo countries

01:15:37.940 not everywhere

01:15:38.360 but in Anglo countries in particular

01:15:39.580 very philo-semitic

01:15:40.800 they've had elite

01:15:42.360 over-represented status

01:15:43.320 that causes a real problem

01:15:45.000 for people who are intent

01:15:46.460 on demonising

01:15:47.200 the white majority

01:15:48.860 like Diane Abbott

01:15:49.500 would want to do

01:15:50.100 and so

01:15:50.860 there's always been

01:15:52.980 among race communists

01:15:54.640 there has always been

01:15:55.580 a slight ambiguity

01:15:56.680 about where do we classify the Jews

01:15:58.240 and they also don't like

01:15:59.220 the fact that the Jews

01:16:00.160 have managed to perch

01:16:01.380 at the top

01:16:01.980 of the intersectional victim hierarchy

01:16:04.260 since the Holocaust

01:16:05.880 well I mean it seems to be

01:16:07.300 the most obviously heinous act

01:16:10.020 that any of these groups

01:16:11.100 can appeal to

01:16:11.940 indeed so

01:16:12.660 can the gays

01:16:13.520 you know

01:16:13.940 this is definitely

01:16:15.020 the worst thing

01:16:15.720 indeed so

01:16:16.200 and so they

01:16:17.080 and I think they rather resent

01:16:18.320 the power

01:16:19.820 which they perceive

01:16:20.600 that to have

01:16:21.380 as a way of shutting down

01:16:22.660 other people's concerns

01:16:23.340 because it is fundamentally

01:16:24.220 a game of competitive

01:16:25.080 hierarchy

01:16:26.160 so this is partly

01:16:27.180 what drives

01:16:27.600 this is in large part

01:16:28.720 the fact that they regard

01:16:29.480 Jews as essentially white

01:16:30.680 I would say

01:16:31.720 is what partly

01:16:32.360 in large part

01:16:33.560 drives their contempt for Israel

01:16:34.700 because you have this idea

01:16:35.700 that it is fundamentally

01:16:36.980 a European settler

01:16:38.280 colonial state

01:16:39.240 which is militating

01:16:41.080 against the interests

01:16:42.140 of brown people

01:16:42.860 or it could be black people

01:16:43.960 but it you know

01:16:44.800 fill in the blank here

01:16:46.360 so the thing that I find

01:16:47.840 most concerning about

01:16:48.680 of all gents about this

01:16:50.720 is the fact that

01:16:51.820 many people on the

01:16:52.640 anti-woke side of politics

01:16:53.700 are treating Diane Abbott's

01:16:54.740 views as some kind of

01:16:55.920 shock revelation

01:16:57.360 as though she wasn't

01:16:58.140 already inducted

01:16:58.940 to all of this language

01:16:59.940 game in the first place

01:17:00.780 this is new for Diane Abbott

01:17:02.300 yes gosh

01:17:02.720 all of a sudden

01:17:03.280 there's just a random

01:17:04.240 unwise moment of candor

01:17:06.100 after a sterling

01:17:07.320 political career

01:17:07.840 and I don't want to pick

01:17:08.700 on anyone in particular

01:17:09.620 but for illustrative purpose

01:17:11.420 I will do so

01:17:12.640 it was Brendan O'Neill

01:17:14.580 who wrote

01:17:15.380 what I regarded

01:17:16.080 as a very weak piece

01:17:18.200 indeed

01:17:18.680 in The Spectator

01:17:20.140 I like Brendan as well

01:17:21.420 yeah well this

01:17:21.980 this is an interesting thing

01:17:23.400 so everyone I know

01:17:24.200 about Brendan

01:17:25.200 people have said

01:17:26.160 that he's one of the

01:17:26.700 nicest people you ever meet

01:17:27.500 and I'm sure that's true

01:17:28.460 so none of this is personal

01:17:29.640 that should be said in advance

01:17:30.580 but he wrote a piece

01:17:32.020 in The Spectator

01:17:32.560 titled The Tragedy

01:17:33.800 of Diane Abbott

01:17:35.120 as though an otherwise

01:17:36.780 sterling

01:17:37.460 laudable

01:17:38.220 he even uses the word

01:17:39.280 trailblazing

01:17:40.040 political career

01:17:40.720 had been tragically

01:17:41.500 brought low

01:17:42.260 at the last minute

01:17:43.300 by an ill-advised remark

01:17:44.280 and that's just not

01:17:45.100 how it seems to me

01:17:45.820 we'll go to Diane Abbott's

01:17:47.220 history of racist comments

01:17:48.160 in a minute

01:17:48.520 but I'd like to read

01:17:49.260 a bit of Brendan's

01:17:50.120 piece

01:17:50.980 if I may

01:17:52.080 to give people an idea

01:17:53.280 and perhaps you gents

01:17:54.160 will have some

01:17:54.680 will have some comments

01:17:56.020 here's the tragedy

01:17:57.880 of Diane Abbott

01:17:58.520 Brendan O'Neill writes

01:17:59.300 she entered British politics

01:18:00.700 as a trailblazer

01:18:01.660 for black Britons

01:18:02.580 and now she leaves

01:18:04.100 public life

01:18:04.780 on the sour note

01:18:05.660 of insulting Jewish Britons

01:18:07.100 she started out

01:18:08.460 as a warrior

01:18:09.000 against racism

01:18:10.300 but ended up

01:18:12.460 seeming to minimise racism

01:18:13.800 she devoted her

01:18:14.860 political career

01:18:15.500 to standing up

01:18:16.240 for beleaguered minorities

01:18:17.180 and then made

01:18:18.240 the grave moral error

01:18:19.240 of playing down

01:18:20.260 the beleaguering

01:18:21.880 of Britain's Jewish minority

01:18:23.000 what if the roles

01:18:23.640 were reversed?

01:18:24.860 basically

01:18:25.160 wow

01:18:25.860 yeah

01:18:26.240 anything about

01:18:26.880 contempt for white people

01:18:27.940 for the last 70 years?

01:18:28.860 not in the whole article

01:18:29.680 the only thing

01:18:30.380 that we care about

01:18:31.080 is racism

01:18:31.740 that's it

01:18:33.320 as directed against

01:18:34.300 minorities

01:18:34.680 as well yeah

01:18:35.760 as directed against

01:18:36.520 minorities

01:18:36.900 good point

01:18:37.440 good caveat

01:18:38.280 yeah

01:18:38.600 but note

01:18:39.380 the single

01:18:40.080 note that

01:18:41.220 Diane Abbott's

01:18:42.260 single minded obsession

01:18:43.240 with minority interest

01:18:44.120 which has consistently

01:18:44.840 manifested itself

01:18:45.740 note how it's

01:18:46.560 precisely the same

01:18:48.400 moral language

01:18:49.140 that Brendan O'Neill

01:18:50.160 in that article

01:18:50.820 is paying recourse to

01:18:52.540 she's just using it wrong

01:18:52.980 she's just using it

01:18:53.700 the wrong way

01:18:54.160 you've got your

01:18:55.120 intersectional jumble

01:18:56.400 mixed up

01:18:57.100 I'm sure

01:18:58.340 Brent O'Neill

01:18:58.980 wouldn't like

01:18:59.460 to hear me put it

01:19:00.460 like that

01:19:00.740 but that's effectively

01:19:01.280 what is going on

01:19:02.980 so

01:19:04.180 why don't we play

01:19:05.940 the clips

01:19:06.460 and

01:19:06.720 this is

01:19:08.460 Diane Abbott's

01:19:09.400 history of genuinely

01:19:10.080 racist comments

01:19:10.840 the foray into

01:19:13.060 suspicious comments

01:19:13.960 about the Jews

01:19:14.440 is a rather more

01:19:14.960 recent affair

01:19:15.460 for Diane Abbott

01:19:15.960 look at her

01:19:16.500 more longstanding

01:19:17.580 prejudices

01:19:18.160 divide and rule

01:19:19.540 divide and rule

01:19:19.560 we shouldn't play

01:19:20.580 their game

01:19:21.100 I could never imagine

01:19:22.180 Michael saying that

01:19:23.160 changing that

01:19:24.340 to saying

01:19:24.680 black people

01:19:25.620 like playing

01:19:26.100 divide and rule

01:19:26.800 and what would happen

01:19:28.360 if he said it

01:19:29.120 you didn't speak

01:19:29.700 that was quite a racist

01:19:31.740 remark was it not

01:19:32.740 no I don't think

01:19:33.460 it's racist

01:19:33.780 I think

01:19:34.080 to say that white people

01:19:35.360 not some

01:19:36.000 or a few

01:19:36.680 or even many

01:19:37.940 but white people

01:19:38.840 as a group

01:19:39.720 love playing

01:19:41.020 divide and rule

01:19:42.240 in justifying

01:19:48.460 your decision

01:19:49.380 which we talked

01:19:49.940 about before

01:19:50.540 don't dwell on that

01:19:51.960 to send your son

01:19:52.920 to a private school

01:19:53.740 you said

01:19:54.660 quote

01:19:55.020 West Indian mums

01:19:56.200 will go to the wall

01:19:57.480 for their children

01:19:58.440 so black mothers

01:20:00.560 love their kids

01:20:00.960 sorry just

01:20:01.360 in the interest of time

01:20:02.660 I'm going to pause

01:20:03.640 this is actually

01:20:06.540 not very controversial

01:20:07.380 in Britain

01:20:07.800 for anyone who doesn't know

01:20:09.100 Diane Abbott

01:20:09.720 I mean you can see

01:20:10.260 how many years ago

01:20:10.920 this video

01:20:12.160 was obviously

01:20:13.040 this question

01:20:14.120 time appearance

01:20:14.580 or whatever

01:20:14.820 was taken

01:20:15.220 but we're just

01:20:16.400 in the interest of time

01:20:17.660 to carry on

01:20:18.900 yeah well no

01:20:19.720 my general take on this

01:20:21.900 is that there is no

01:20:22.700 tragedy

01:20:23.700 no this is what

01:20:24.940 Diane Abbott's been like

01:20:25.920 for a long time

01:20:26.660 of Diane Abbott here

01:20:27.540 and I'm going to

01:20:28.080 at the risk of

01:20:28.840 being accused of pomposity

01:20:29.860 which is a risk

01:20:31.160 that I am occasionally

01:20:31.980 willing to take

01:20:32.720 you know

01:20:33.380 Greek tragedians

01:20:35.220 have words

01:20:35.820 for what actually

01:20:36.780 what are the hallmarks

01:20:37.900 of tragedy

01:20:38.980 and none of them

01:20:40.020 in this case

01:20:40.480 are operative

01:20:41.000 well one of them is

01:20:42.000 so there's this idea

01:20:42.980 that in tragic

01:20:43.760 theatre

01:20:44.760 there is a reversal

01:20:45.980 of fortune that goes on

01:20:46.960 and in fact

01:20:47.440 actually it sounds as though

01:20:48.280 Diane Abbott's going to be

01:20:49.080 keeping her seat

01:20:49.920 so there's not even that anymore

01:20:50.960 she doesn't even have that claim

01:20:52.500 to be a tragic figure

01:20:53.720 but there's no tragic fall

01:20:55.040 there's no hamartia

01:20:56.420 which is what the Greeks

01:20:57.120 would call it

01:20:57.520 and there's certainly

01:20:58.260 no sober recognition

01:20:59.120 of wrongdoing

01:20:59.700 which is the anagnoresis

01:21:01.160 part of Greek tragedy

01:21:02.700 but the problem

01:21:04.620 with O'Neill's analysis

01:21:05.760 is that he couches it purely

01:21:06.960 in terms of minoritarian interests

01:21:08.820 and he completely neglects

01:21:10.120 the fact that Abbott

01:21:10.700 has long been

01:21:11.600 a race-baiting

01:21:12.580 anti-white communist

01:21:13.800 and this does not

01:21:14.680 suddenly magically

01:21:15.780 become wrong

01:21:16.640 and vindictive

01:21:17.480 once it's

01:21:18.800 once that sort of

01:21:20.700 malicious rhetoric

01:21:22.140 is directed

01:21:23.140 at a rival

01:21:23.760 minority group

01:21:24.940 it's just as

01:21:26.140 evil and vindictive

01:21:27.420 it was wrong all along

01:21:28.640 just as well as

01:21:29.580 when it's devoted

01:21:30.220 against

01:21:30.760 directed at

01:21:31.700 majorities

01:21:32.680 and so one of the things

01:21:33.540 that I'm very eager

01:21:35.080 to press here

01:21:35.900 is that we on the right

01:21:37.640 broadly speaking

01:21:38.540 and what Brendan O'Neill

01:21:39.080 would want to say

01:21:39.600 no I'm still a leftist

01:21:40.480 whatever

01:21:40.780 us on the anti-woke

01:21:42.640 side of politics

01:21:43.360 we need to stop

01:21:44.600 indulging in the left's

01:21:45.640 own moral language games

01:21:46.760 because when you

01:21:48.260 win

01:21:49.100 quote unquote

01:21:49.920 on the left terms

01:21:51.220 in a larger sense

01:21:52.040 you are losing

01:21:52.680 monumentally

01:21:53.440 and that's what's

01:21:54.160 most important of all

01:21:54.880 correct

01:21:55.680 excellent

01:21:56.240 on with the video

01:21:56.800 comments then

01:21:57.760 it's a nice t-shirt

01:22:03.560 hey

01:22:05.040 congratulations

01:22:05.800 but also

01:22:06.640 congratulations

01:22:07.320 that's very wholesome

01:22:09.320 we appreciate you

01:22:10.280 buying our merch

01:22:10.820 helps us keep the

01:22:11.380 lights on

01:22:11.820 well it sounds like

01:22:12.940 the problem with

01:22:13.580 microplastics is that

01:22:14.920 they can get everywhere

01:22:15.780 so that means it would

01:22:17.140 be easy to contaminate

01:22:18.460 a sample

01:22:18.940 your sample can

01:22:20.320 contain no

01:22:20.940 microplastics

01:22:21.840 then when you open

01:22:23.320 it up all the

01:22:23.980 microplastics fall off

01:22:25.220 you into your sample

01:22:26.320 and oh look

01:22:27.560 my sample is full

01:22:28.800 of microplastics

01:22:29.680 even though it

01:22:30.800 probably wasn't

01:22:31.620 until you actually

01:22:32.340 went and opened it

01:22:33.160 that's the thing

01:22:34.240 about science

01:22:34.960 you gotta be careful

01:22:35.920 and examine the

01:22:36.620 procedure

01:22:37.180 otherwise you can

01:22:38.460 come up with

01:22:38.900 skewed results

01:22:39.820 i presume that was

01:22:41.820 referencing josh's

01:22:42.660 segment yesterday

01:22:43.420 so apologies

01:22:44.680 i haven't seen it

01:22:45.720 yet so i can't

01:22:46.360 comment i'm aware

01:22:47.260 though that my

01:22:47.800 balls are swimming

01:22:48.540 in microplastics

01:22:49.440 i don't know

01:22:51.420 you've had

01:22:51.820 four kids so

01:22:53.160 yeah i'm not saying

01:22:53.940 i can't have

01:22:54.420 children i'm just

01:22:55.120 saying that we're

01:22:55.660 all infected

01:22:56.300 in microplastics

01:22:57.180 yeah true

01:22:57.680 probably it's true

01:22:58.240 don't don't wear

01:22:59.240 polyester underwear

01:22:59.940 ladies and gentlemen

01:23:00.480 bad for you

01:23:01.440 anyway next one

01:23:02.380 for a doctor

01:23:03.060 was convicted

01:23:03.700 of raping

01:23:04.160 a patient

01:23:04.600 i'm not a real

01:23:09.080 doctor

01:23:09.580 i have a fake

01:23:10.700 degree

01:23:11.080 i bought it

01:23:11.860 for one thousand

01:23:12.480 dollars

01:23:12.840 strung on my line

01:23:13.540 university

01:23:14.580 it says here

01:23:15.840 that i graduated

01:23:16.800 top of my class

01:23:17.780 and now i've moved

01:23:18.480 to your country

01:23:19.200 to get me some

01:23:20.160 mask

01:23:20.560 you have a temperature

01:23:21.880 and you're feeling

01:23:23.140 sick

01:23:23.560 don't worry ma'am

01:23:24.800 i'll treat your

01:23:25.600 condition

01:23:26.020 i can do you

01:23:27.480 easy with this

01:23:28.140 one simple drink

01:23:29.080 okay all right i

01:23:31.800 think i think we

01:23:32.380 should probably stop

01:23:33.260 that russian

01:23:34.000 that's i don't know

01:23:35.700 artificial intelligence

01:23:36.640 has gone too far

01:23:37.380 yeah i'm slightly

01:23:38.160 even if the point

01:23:39.880 is made

01:23:40.420 i'm slightly

01:23:41.080 uncomfortable with

01:23:41.780 that one but okay

01:23:42.600 all right next one

01:23:43.800 please

01:23:59.080 mr netanyahu

01:24:05.880 we've lost north swindon

01:24:07.380 very good

01:24:11.640 go away honestly

01:24:13.040 on with the next one

01:24:15.800 girls what's just

01:24:16.400 happened

01:24:16.840 so there's an ice cream

01:24:18.480 van there

01:24:19.300 selling just two

01:24:21.480 ice creams

01:24:22.780 with two

01:24:23.600 chewing gums in it

01:24:25.060 yeah

01:24:25.320 for bloody nine

01:24:26.160 pounds

01:24:26.540 for two of them

01:24:27.480 nine quid for two

01:24:28.520 yeah nine quid

01:24:29.640 that is gonna get

01:24:30.760 nowhere

01:24:31.200 the one that

01:24:31.880 comes on my street

01:24:32.740 is either one pound

01:24:33.680 a pit

01:24:34.380 or two pounds

01:24:35.640 that is gonna get

01:24:36.280 nowhere with that

01:24:37.300 no he ain't is he

01:24:38.060 no he no he ain't

01:24:38.960 that's well bad

01:24:39.640 isn't it

01:24:39.780 yeah he should know

01:24:40.620 and he only does

01:24:41.880 bloody hard

01:24:42.800 stood there with my

01:24:43.860 cash

01:24:44.340 bloody hell

01:24:46.060 that's well bad

01:24:47.000 isn't it

01:24:47.500 bloody well bad

01:24:48.420 yeah

01:24:49.020 yeah i bet he can

01:24:50.220 hear me

01:24:50.800 remember when i said

01:24:55.040 we needed more

01:24:55.660 karening

01:24:56.060 yeah but we also

01:24:57.600 need race standards

01:24:59.080 yeah yeah maybe

01:24:59.880 maybe don't maybe

01:25:00.720 don't teach children

01:25:01.940 to be quite so

01:25:03.400 vulgar

01:25:04.280 anyway uh

01:25:05.400 someone might

01:25:05.920 scroll down

01:25:06.580 i'll do these

01:25:07.180 okay um the

01:25:08.000 shadow band uh

01:25:08.800 sends a three hundred

01:25:09.700 dollar super chat

01:25:10.720 thank you very much

01:25:12.520 amazing man thank you

01:25:13.520 uh good luck with the

01:25:14.680 uh shit storm and i

01:25:15.620 hope you guys can

01:25:16.220 survive another few

01:25:16.980 months

01:25:17.320 remember there are

01:25:18.020 people on your side

01:25:18.560 well hopefully we'll

01:25:19.380 survive more than a few

01:25:20.120 months

01:25:20.440 we've done nothing wrong

01:25:21.780 and so the last two

01:25:22.500 days have been

01:25:23.140 complete vindication of

01:25:24.560 our character at the

01:25:25.240 expense of the lying

01:25:25.860 communists i hope not

01:25:26.560 hate yeah we've

01:25:27.620 literally done nothing

01:25:28.540 wrong uh bald eagle

01:25:30.040 says for two dollars

01:25:31.220 uh republicans are

01:25:32.420 democrats light they

01:25:33.320 say a good game and

01:25:34.280 yet never do anything

01:25:35.380 why because they get

01:25:36.580 paid to do nothing if

01:25:37.680 they're responding to

01:25:38.700 everything a bunch of

01:25:39.780 cucks deserve to lose

01:25:40.740 and he says another

01:25:41.280 super chat saying they

01:25:42.760 want to lock up trump

01:25:43.540 and have him uh suffer an

01:25:45.460 accident and the secret

01:25:46.500 service will be in on it

01:25:47.420 considering they had

01:25:48.380 agents outright stating

01:25:49.660 they wouldn't protect him

01:25:50.520 get rid of them asap

01:25:51.640 to be honest with you i

01:25:53.060 don't know i don't

01:25:54.060 think they're brazen

01:25:55.200 enough to do that at

01:25:55.900 this point maybe though

01:25:57.480 maybe i mean they are

01:26:00.380 mad they are genuinely

01:26:01.820 mad and seem to be

01:26:03.120 they they feel like

01:26:04.560 wily coyote who's run

01:26:05.900 off the cliff and

01:26:06.420 they're just running as

01:26:07.680 far as they can get but

01:26:08.700 at some point gravity

01:26:09.580 has to take hold um

01:26:11.440 davy verse sends us

01:26:12.720 ten dollar soup chat

01:26:13.460 and says ten dollar to

01:26:14.600 add to the legal fund if

01:26:15.500 you want to go after the

01:26:16.340 smear merchants well

01:26:17.100 thank you very much we'll

01:26:17.900 keep you posted um and

01:26:20.400 uh bald eagle says for a

01:26:21.620 two dollar soup chat the

01:26:22.760 soviet army didn't

01:26:23.640 intentionally stop to let

01:26:24.640 the germans suppress the

01:26:25.400 warsaw uprising they had

01:26:26.580 to wait for supplies to

01:26:27.380 catch up and there was a

01:26:28.300 large river to cross for

01:26:29.320 getting there nick

01:26:30.260 knolls is watching it

01:26:32.260 maybe i don't know i i

01:26:33.680 don't know the i think

01:26:34.780 that i think that's true but

01:26:35.820 never if if that is not

01:26:37.460 true then i stand

01:26:38.320 corrected and it's always

01:26:39.820 good to stand corrected

01:26:40.660 right um all right we'll

01:26:43.740 go for just some other

01:26:44.640 comments um scroll to the

01:26:48.660 right place uh lord and

01:26:50.160 mayor of our says trump

01:26:50.980 will take this election

01:26:51.840 in a landslide he's

01:26:53.080 potentially the most

01:26:53.740 openly persecuted president

01:26:54.860 the usa has ever seen and

01:26:56.580 that will be reflected in

01:26:57.540 the ballot box in november

01:26:58.600 mark my words at the

01:26:59.700 ballot box but not

01:27:01.040 necessarily uh after the

01:27:02.420 trucks arrive at 4 a.m

01:27:03.620 well that's the thing isn't

01:27:04.980 it uh the question of

01:27:06.340 fortification looms large

01:27:08.360 um but i i'm personally

01:27:10.280 of the opinion that it

01:27:10.960 took a lot of effort for

01:27:12.480 them to fortify 2020 but

01:27:13.920 the way that they might do

01:27:14.880 it is mass voter

01:27:15.760 registration with people

01:27:17.140 that just flooded over the

01:27:17.900 southern border getting

01:27:18.560 social security ids for

01:27:20.020 temporary work visas that

01:27:20.920 already seems to have

01:27:21.640 happened in swing states

01:27:22.760 like texas and missouri so

01:27:24.360 that is concerning don't

01:27:25.860 know what impact we'll

01:27:26.480 have yet bleach demon

01:27:27.980 says the sad vitriol

01:27:29.460 cheering from the dems

01:27:30.520 over convicting trump is

01:27:31.960 going to have a long-term

01:27:32.980 negative repercussion for

01:27:33.980 them uh if anything this

01:27:35.280 is less about trump and

01:27:36.000 more about the powers that

01:27:36.760 be clawing to retain power

01:27:38.040 yeah i agree i agree uh

01:27:41.180 sorry there's an amazing

01:27:43.460 username arizona

01:27:44.640 desert rat says hmm i

01:27:45.860 think this may end up being

01:27:47.040 declared a mistrial and

01:27:47.960 they will likely end up

01:27:48.640 going to higher courts

01:27:49.520 entirely possible but i

01:27:50.840 just think trump will just

01:27:52.060 appeal and the appeals

01:27:53.480 judge will have to be like

01:27:54.300 well this was nonsense we're

01:27:56.080 really sorry um and you'd

01:27:57.760 expect that they'd expedite

01:27:58.660 it to the supreme court as

01:27:59.560 well uh yes sooner rather

01:28:01.140 than later the the trump

01:28:02.460 packed supreme court

01:28:03.940 quite which is uh yeah

01:28:05.680 exactly when are they due to

01:28:06.780 hear his other case i don't

01:28:08.200 know actually i'd have to

01:28:09.360 check um but the point is

01:28:10.960 this can't go on um that

01:28:13.860 texas gal says i'm sure the

01:28:15.340 republicans are penning a

01:28:16.200 very strongly worded letter

01:28:17.260 as we speak yes well

01:28:18.680 hopefully this does just get

01:28:20.920 overturned and uh it's

01:28:22.000 nonsense um chase says

01:28:24.020 great job on the interview

01:28:24.840 with list trust carl thanks

01:28:26.340 chase why do i even bother

01:28:28.320 no you did you did do a very

01:28:30.900 good job thanks appreciate

01:28:31.720 um christian said didn't

01:28:33.440 jess phillips say that she

01:28:34.560 didn't feel threatened at

01:28:35.280 all by the joke uh yeah she

01:28:37.060 did but that doesn't matter

01:28:38.240 it's not the issue the issue

01:28:39.980 is that she thinks she can

01:28:42.220 use her political position to

01:28:46.180 sort of cut liz truss off from

01:28:48.000 the rest of the conservative

01:28:48.780 party because liz truss is one

01:28:50.360 of the few conservatives that

01:28:51.280 the membership seemed to

01:28:52.160 actually feel fondly to we

01:28:53.700 voted for her yeah exactly

01:28:55.020 overwhelmingly yeah she got

01:28:56.460 two-thirds of the vote over

01:28:57.460 rishi sunak you know some

01:28:58.680 something important there

01:28:59.660 apparently byline times in the

01:29:01.200 article um got my name wrong

01:29:03.240 as well so they they didn't

01:29:05.640 only not realize that i hosted

01:29:07.620 it they called me colin

01:29:08.640 tomlinson well never mind

01:29:11.880 uh cumbrian kulak says uh

01:29:14.220 have a good chuckle reading

01:29:15.140 hope not hate articles uh

01:29:17.100 northance knight says hope

01:29:18.760 not hate have their allies in

01:29:19.740 the msn political bubble but

01:29:20.940 the number of their targets

01:29:21.880 have piled up so much so and

01:29:24.000 so vile hate not hope are and

01:29:26.220 i'll have to paraphrase

01:29:27.280 churchill never in the field of

01:29:28.740 propaganda has so many been

01:29:30.120 viewed by smeared by so few

01:29:31.660 um well that's that's the thing

01:29:33.580 isn't it like what i think is

01:29:35.920 really interesting is that there

01:29:37.240 seems to be a kind of

01:29:37.900 consensus growing on the

01:29:39.160 british right that you know

01:29:41.580 okay they're just going to

01:29:42.620 call us far right we still

01:29:43.480 need to get on with what we

01:29:44.240 need to get on with and so

01:29:45.780 the more people who are sort

01:29:46.920 of coming together in the

01:29:47.860 same under the same umbrella

01:29:49.220 okay smear merchants you know

01:29:51.220 all of these far right far

01:29:52.620 right far right okay but now

01:29:53.860 there's like two dozen people

01:29:55.040 that you're calling far right

01:29:56.260 on a daily basis how much

01:29:57.900 bigger has that got to grow

01:29:58.720 before you realize that's not

01:29:59.800 really um an effective weapon

01:30:02.160 anymore like you're saying

01:30:02.840 the the tools have grown

01:30:04.020 grown blunt and nobody cares

01:30:06.200 okay they're far right fair

01:30:07.700 enough what what are they

01:30:08.640 saying on page one of their

01:30:09.800 state of hate report when they

01:30:10.840 have a photo of miriam kate's

01:30:12.240 danny kruger pretty patel and

01:30:13.560 jay kofree's mog you your

01:30:15.200 reach has excreted your grasp

01:30:16.360 i'm afraid exactly and there

01:30:17.540 was also i we didn't get get

01:30:18.980 up getting to it in the lewis

01:30:20.080 goodall one all he was peddling

01:30:22.280 in his condemnation of lotus

01:30:24.220 eaters he didn't actually make

01:30:25.180 any arguments about anything you

01:30:26.180 guys had said it was just it was

01:30:27.500 just pure high-minded sass and

01:30:30.580 attitude and some nasty words is it

01:30:33.200 it it reeks of impotence it

01:30:34.620 really does and the last one

01:30:35.960 from north fc zoomer i'll have

01:30:37.440 serious respect for trust if she

01:30:38.760 stands up to these retards and

01:30:39.920 doesn't back down well she

01:30:41.020 hasn't backed down it'd be very

01:30:42.460 interesting easy for her to tweet

01:30:43.940 out a response saying oh i didn't

01:30:45.400 know i'm so sorry yeah exactly but

01:30:47.960 she hasn't done anything like

01:30:48.860 this she hasn't given an inch to

01:30:49.820 hope not hate yeah in the

01:30:51.180 interview about the interview

01:30:52.180 where she called them evil and

01:30:53.160 should be destroyed she didn't

01:30:54.320 need to do any of this by the way

01:30:55.460 as i reiterated we didn't pay her

01:30:57.280 she doesn't she barely knows me

01:30:58.800 from adam yep and instead she's

01:31:00.800 nailed her colors to the mast and

01:31:01.980 hasn't thrown us under the bus so

01:31:03.180 nothing but respect absolutely

01:31:04.800 right well with that we're back

01:31:07.400 in half an hour uh josh stelios

01:31:09.780 bow to answer your questions the

01:31:11.240 gold tier zoom call you still have

01:31:12.280 time to sign up um otherwise we'll

01:31:14.640 be back on monday at one o'clock

01:31:15.680 have a good weekend everyone thank

01:31:16.840 you gents for co-hosting take care

01:31:18.540 and goodbye

01:31:19.120 yes

01:31:24.380 you

01:31:33.880 you

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #927

Summary

Transcript