In Episode 930, the lads discuss the rise of the 'zoomers' to vote for Nigel Farage, South Africa's historic election, and the D.I.Y.P. drama. Plus, we debate the case for zero seats.
00:00:00.000Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to the podcast of The Load Seeders. Today is Wednesday, the 5th of June, and this is episode 930. I'm joined today by Josh and Connor.
00:00:11.880Hello. Are you trying to sell our audience a rose at a Spanish resort?
00:00:19.800I want to give my message of positivity to the world and make everyone happy.
00:00:24.640Right. Today we are going to discuss the Zoomers' rising apt to vote for Farage, South Africa's historic election, and D.I. Barbie drama.
00:00:36.420Wonderful. Oh, yes. If you do know, it is a Wednesday, so at three o'clock today, we'll have my show, Tomlinson Talks.
00:00:42.620This afternoon I'm debating the good Dr. Nima Parvini, the academic agent, on the case for zero seats, because I love the good doctor, though I do.
00:00:49.620He is endorsing voting Labour to destroy the Tories, and I think that that's unwise, given we can have a couple of allies to form some sort of right-wing coalition in opposition.
00:00:58.700So stay tuned for that. If you aren't subscribed yet, let us £5 a month, and you'll be able to go post in the live chat and complain about us.
00:01:04.740And that's going to be very interesting, because I've heard that he is one of the main defenders of the idea of zero seats.
00:01:13.140Good. Right. So let's start. The Zoomers rise up.
00:01:17.260Yeah. So something's happening. There's a big vibe shift happening in politics this week.
00:01:22.560So in the last week, we've had Liz Truss talk to the Lotus Eaters and not back down from speaking to us. That's been wonderful.
00:01:28.820And then out of the ether came Nigel Farage. He's back. He's running in Clacton. He's taken over from Richard Tice as leader of Reform UK.
00:01:38.200And it seems there's going to be a big shift in terms of overall votes and possibly translating to a few seats.
00:01:44.040I think the most recent poll today said four. But that's not the most interesting part. The most interesting part is what kind of ground game is he running?
00:01:49.580Because it seems to me, and we're not going to play this because it is a copyrighted song, because Eminem's Without Me, that's the real slim shade.
00:02:18.960It's brilliant. And I think Farage, as he said in his announcement, he's injected some much needed jubilance into an otherwise boring and sclerotic election.
00:02:26.860Did either of you watch that dreadful debate yesterday on ITV?
00:02:29.560I didn't watch the debate, no. I knew what would happen.
00:02:32.200I would have had a better time wrapping my testicles in barbed wire. It was like, which insincere bank manager do you trust to raise net migration over the next five years?
00:02:40.620Is it red or is it blue? And they both shouted at each other and looked impotent and miserable.
00:02:44.200Well, the whole purpose of the debate to kind of establish how people are going to vote was sort of void when everyone knows it's going to be Keir Starmer that's going to be prime minister.
00:02:54.600That and also the policies are indistinct, other than Labour might be slightly more expensive.
00:02:59.020And Rishi Sunak might do gay race communism slightly slower.
00:03:02.560Well, I reject the politics of everyone on the podium. So it's like hearing, you know, people fighting about something I don't care about.
00:03:08.300Yeah, quite. And that's that exact reason is why so many people were disaffected and not willing to vote in the next election.
00:03:14.220I think Farage coming into it has meant that a lot of people, particularly radicalised young men, radicalised for the right reasons.
00:03:20.120If you're watching this, you're probably our audience, are now more likely to go out and make a stand.
00:03:25.140What I really cannot understand about the debate last night, I watched part of it, is how on earth can you have the ambition to become a prime minister and want to put up a former performance like that?
00:03:37.960Well, they had zero confidence in what they were saying.
00:03:42.080Yes, because, so Keir Starmer's strategy is to stay away from the cameras and be as vague as possible because he thinks he's a write-in candidate because the Tories have collapsed their own base.
00:03:52.620And Rishi Sunak's strategy is to scramble, to buy off the boomers as much as possible to keep some of the safe seats.
00:03:58.620So none of them are actually going for the floating voters because most of those aren't voting at all.
00:04:14.300I will quickly mute it because the sound is...
00:04:19.560So you see here he's walking out of the Wetherspoons and then some woman in a white tracksuit comes up and throws a presumably banana milkshake from McDonald's all over him.
00:04:29.540She has an OnlyFans account and she's a Corbynista.
00:04:31.880Unlike the conspiracy theories online that even an LBC host said, this is not Emily Hewitson, who is a friend of Farage's, working to generate controversy for the thing.
00:04:42.420If you say that, she's probably going to sue you.
00:04:47.340But anyway, point being, Farage has then made memes out of this.
00:04:50.320Again, capitalizing on this just by going, yeah, you know, not great that Joe Brown once said you should throw battery acid in my face, but I'm not going to be stopped by some tart dousing me in a McDonald's milkshake and things like this.
00:05:05.360And I think that's a much better way of handling things than the insecurity or tightly controlled Blairite messaging of either Starmer or Sunak.
00:05:16.900Being able to take a bit of banter, you know, is necessary.
00:05:19.320If you're a proper English person, right?
00:05:22.120Well, I suppose it's true of the Welsh and the Scots as well.
00:05:25.200A bit of back and forth, a bit of banter is normal.
00:05:29.240That's how normal people talk to each other.
00:05:31.060And the fact that politicians are so wooden and inhuman just further disaffects them.
00:05:36.120So, you know, the disaffecting is useful in that it makes people realize that these people are not for their interest.
00:05:42.880But Farage seems to do being normal quite well.
00:05:46.660Well, the fact that he's at risk of being milkshaped from close proximity is awful, but it also shows that he's literally in touch with his constituency, unlike the regional managers of the UK as a sort of satellite branch of a global hegemony that Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer have morphed into.
00:06:02.800And remember, Keir Starmer said he prefers Davos to Westminster.
00:06:05.580Well, Nigel Farage has spent exactly one day in Clacton and he's already endeared himself to the locals to the extent where hundreds of them just come out to hear him speak as his campaign manager puts a stereo on top of his head.
00:06:17.100So who was he specifically talking about in his announcement speech that said there's something happening, there's a big movement?
00:06:22.160Well, I decided to clip it because he kept talking about, and I'll play this for a second, he kept talking about how there is something happening, there are young people up and down the country, and the reason he ran was because they were themselves saying, there's nobody to vote for and I feel betrayed if you don't run.
00:06:36.280I don't know, I also know, just as throughout Europe there is a new phenomenon racing through politics ahead of these European elections this weekend, I promise you something is happening out there.
00:06:54.360I've been in this game 30 years, I've fought lots of elections, I've generally got a pretty good sense of timing, something is happening out there.
00:07:02.080So yes, I changed my mind, and you know what, I'm not ashamed of it, one little bit.
00:07:09.020So, I think, just having encountered random people in train stations and at events, we know there are a lot of young men across the UK watching our stuff, they range from their mid-30s to even still in school.
00:07:22.860There is something palpable about dispossession of people born since 1997, who have never known anything but Blairism, mass migration, the deprivation of job opportunities and housing, that mean they're not in tune with the liberal paradigm anymore, and they're more likely to direct their energy towards someone like Nigel Farage.
00:07:41.800And I think there are quite a few people that he's pointing out as a kind of constituency that doesn't show up in polls, because they weren't going to vote for Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer.
00:07:51.180Now Farage has come along, he's galvanizing something tangible.
00:07:54.660I think that this is absolutely the case, and I've taught for six years at university, and you could say that, you know, essentially that's teaching children that just left school.
00:08:07.060And the men from them, they're absolutely pissed off with the indoctrination that they have, because in the past, you could say that the left had a stronger hold on them, because the narrative was only economic oppressor versus economically oppressed.
00:08:27.700Now, there's a direct targeting of men, and they're not having it.
00:08:32.700They're not having it, and they're absolutely pissed off with it.
00:08:35.520Well, if in every classroom, this is, I've been saying this for a little while, I mean, I said this in trigonometry, and it resonated, so that's good.
00:08:41.820You know, if white men have been actively demonized by all of their blue-haired feminist teachers for ages, and they hear constantly about how they're at fault for all of society's problems,
00:08:49.600and any time they manifest competence, it's just another proof of toxic patriarchy, when millions of them don't even have a dad in the home,
00:08:57.160then yeah, they're going to get a bit resentful of that.
00:08:58.880And the first candidate that comes along and says, actually, you've been deprived of a cultural inheritance, job opportunities, the ability to have a family,
00:09:05.100your ability to own a home has been indefinitely deferred at the altar of mass migration and increasing the GDP while you're getting personally poorer,
00:09:11.000and your high street is being robbed from you, then yeah, they're going to be pretty annoyed about that.
00:09:14.720And anyone who comes along and says, I'm going to fix that, they're going to gravitate towards them, which is encouraging.
00:09:19.240Well, this affects us as well, right? We're sort of within this age bracket where we're getting screwed over by all of these problems as well.
00:09:26.380We're having to live through it, and as does anyone who doesn't really, you know, have a stake in the economy,
00:09:32.080anyone who's not in the housing market, for example, or doesn't have any feasible way of getting into it, that is this demographic, right?
00:10:45.680So I'm just going to read a little bit.
00:10:46.860In Belgium, France, Portugal, Germany and Finland, younger voters are backing anti-immigration and anti-establishment parties in numbers equal to and even exceeding older voters.
00:10:54.300Analyses of recent elections and research of young people's political preferences suggest.
00:10:58.460In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders, anti-immigration, far-right, Freedom Party, far-right, do one, right?
00:11:04.040Yeah, far-right, far-right just means that he doesn't think that all people are ultimately fundable and we can import infinity immigrants from here to the heat death of the universe.
00:11:11.660I think, if anything, they're classical liberals more, you know, they're the sort of free market and, you know, liberalization.
00:11:18.660Geert is opposed to Islam because he's pro-Israel, pro-gay, pro-women's rights.
00:11:23.460He's not opposed to it in some sort of like identitarian, ethno-nationalist way.
00:11:27.700So it's a very liberal opposition to Islam.
00:11:31.600Well, I mean, there are plenty of prominent liberals, at least, you know, in the 1990s, early 2000s, that were very outspoken about Islam, weren't they?
00:11:44.740So, in the Netherlands, Wilders Party won the 2023 election on a campaign that tied affordable housing to restrictions on immigration, a focus that struck a chord with young voters.
00:11:52.140Yeah, well, if you keep importing people and raise house prices, people that can't get a house are going to be annoyed.
00:11:58.980In Portugal, the party, I'm not going to say far-right, Chega, which means enough in Portuguese, drew on young people's frustration with the housing crisis, among other quality of life concerns.
00:12:14.040Anti-immigration parties did particularly well against young men.
00:12:16.380So, let's look to the UK, because so far, we haven't, before Farage was running, had an anti-immigration candidate.
00:12:21.420Because Rishi Sunak has promised, as soon as Farage ran, to lower migration.
00:12:25.160Do you know how he's going to do that?
00:12:26.560He's going to ask the Migration Advisory Committee, the quango that increased migration in the first place, in line with, to increase GDP, mainly among students, to set an arbitrary cap.
00:12:35.620So, the cap is probably going to be higher than the current level of net migration, but lower than it would have projected to rise by.
00:12:40.640That's absolutely what's going to happen.
00:13:32.080I wanted to draw on this because there's connective tissue between how Farage was perceived back then and by who and him running now.
00:13:37.680So, I think this is a reasoned event that was hosted by Darren Grimes at the time.
00:13:42.120And he invited a bunch of people, including Steve Baker, who at the time was pro-Brexit and anti-lockdown, has since become a political cuckold who's about to lose his seat, and deservedly so.
00:13:50.900Daniel Hanan, who was a pro-Brexiteer, free marketeer, the kind that said, global Britain, basically open borders.
00:13:56.660And Nigel Farage, and the reception Farage got was much more favourable than that for Baker and Hanan, who were essentially booed by the Zoomers that were in the audience for their migration stance and their woolly Thatcherism that's just been microwaved from the grave.
00:14:10.440So, like Hitchens, the young men in this room think Britain has been abolished and that the Conservative Party is not Conservative at all.
00:14:15.520Ambient British culture, whether RuPaul's Drag Race or footballers taking the knee, bristles with personalities and causes that unsettle them.
00:14:21.540They see wokeness as a virus, infecting every aspect of British culture. That's why they love Nigel.
00:14:25.440In 2016, he proves to them that Conservatives, real Conservatives, could beat the left-wing establishment.
00:14:30.100To whoops, Farage promises a third coming, a return to frontline politics, which we're now seeing, if the state of the nation keeps deteriorating.
00:15:34.820And that's why his meme game is one of his strongest assets, even if reform, and we've got our gripes with reform's policies around this table, particularly after Richard Tice's de-selection of both or stating reform party policy.
00:15:46.340Even if reform are not enough, particularly with net zero migration.
00:15:49.440Farage went on GB News the other night with Camilla Tomini and said 600,000 people a year.
00:15:53.220No, we need a net outflow, if anything.
00:15:55.660Even if they're not enough, on vibes alone, he will galvanize a young reactionary base.
00:16:18.420If you act as if you have an inevitable victory inbound, like Trump did in 2016, we will get tired of winning, then you almost believe you're on hype and everyone else will buy into it.
00:16:33.400Like, again, Nigel's not perfect, but I've enjoyed watching him for the last couple of days.
00:16:39.820If I can feel encouraged, and I'm miserable, like, it's something.
00:16:43.280I think it's a tentative win for people on our side of politics.
00:16:47.400I'm still not convinced by Farage he's going to do a lot more to make me feel like I could at least partially trust him.
00:16:54.180But it's going in the right direction.
00:16:56.640And you're right to say that it is creating a momentum within the UK and a movement, you could even say.
00:17:03.680Well, the people around Farage who want him involved in a post-election opposition coalition are certainly more on our side of the fence.
00:17:10.860And so the people that are bringing those forces together, I think, will shape it more in our direction as well.
00:17:14.680So I don't really have any reservations in saying, like, if you're in Clacton, obviously vote for Arge.
00:17:19.640But if you want to stick it to the One Nation Conservatives, either in your constituency, vote for one of the rare exemptions for zero seats, which I'll be debating with Dr. Parvini later.
00:17:30.280Or, I hate to say it, and some of my co-hosts will disagree with me here, but if you want to vote reform to up the vote total, just to stick it to them, it's not a bad idea.
00:17:40.880Truthfully, now that Farage is at the helm.
00:17:43.460Well, it was either vote reform or spoil my ballot.
00:17:48.040And you can tell that they're genuinely afraid of this, because Daniel Hanan came out today in Conservative Home, which is the sort of brainchild of what the Conservative Party thinks about itself, and is himself saying,
00:17:58.460Farage is a peddler of fantasy politics and well-adapted to our TikTok age.
00:18:01.940And it's like, ah, you're bricking it with the fact that you can talk to Zoomers, aren't you?
00:18:06.320You're terrified at the exact audience that booed you, which are the conference-going Tory base, which are basically your recruiting force to the next cohort of MPs.
00:18:14.000They just bloody hate you, but they really like Nigel.
00:19:21.220Oh, well, they're going to go like this.
00:19:23.020They're going to be looking down their nose at the Conservatives.
00:19:24.920Well, I think actually Peter Hitchens coming out and saying vote Conservative because Labour will be worse has actually torched his credibility.
00:19:30.420So there's currently a leadership vacuum for Gen Z to look to for who they should follow in this election.
00:40:51.400South Africa is bad because the ANC made it worse, right?
00:40:56.700But anyway, talking about things getting worse.
00:40:59.240This was a story in 2018 that this, I believe, is Ramaphosa here, saying that they wanted to amend the South African constitution to allow, make it legal to expropriate land without compensating them from white people and give it to black people.
00:41:20.780Well, it hasn't worked very well because white South Africans are 77% of the population, own about 75% of the freehold farmland, which is slightly different.
00:41:31.560You know, it's a specific category within farmland.
00:41:34.500And the vast majority of these farms are just small scale family run farming operations, sort of self-sustaining, maybe generating a small surplus.
00:42:02.200And if they target the commercial farms, there is an actual chance that this is going to destabilize the food supply lines.
00:42:10.420Of course, the 2021 riots burnt down a lot of the supply lines in places like Durban with all of the distribution centers, as well as the fact that it was disrupted from COVID.
00:42:20.180This is going to snowball into a massive humanitarian crisis, potentially, if nothing gets done about it, because you're going to be passing, you know, land from large scale commercial things, as well as potentially taking it away from white families and depriving them of their livelihood.
00:42:41.100And then giving it to people who are less competent at farming, to put it bluntly.
00:43:09.140So this was looking at the number of race laws in South Africa.
00:43:13.020And you can see pre-apartheid, it sort of peaked in the 80s.
00:43:16.920And then when it gets towards sort of 90s, it's already started dropping and it sort of bottoms out at about, what, 94, 93, something like that.
00:43:25.740And then goes up to the point where now, in the modern day, there are more laws on race than there were in apartheid.
00:43:33.020I mean, you want any more proof that you're self-sabotaging?
00:43:50.540And it's also worth mentioning, of course, I'd be much remiss not to mention the phenomenon of the farm murders in South Africa,
00:43:57.640where white farmers, you know, normally white families live in rural areas where it's a lot easier for people to move in,
00:44:05.580kill them or beat them up and tie them up and take all their stuff because there's no witnesses around.
00:44:11.580They're living on a farm in the middle of nowhere, right?
00:44:13.660And so the fact that white people are seeing a sort of fair game and there's a politics around expropriating land,
00:44:21.640well, if you're a black person in South Africa, you might feel valid in taking that redistributive measure yourself rather than relying on politics.
00:44:32.380And I think that the politics has stoked this phenomenon of murdering white people to take their stuff in South Africa,
00:50:29.600So, to give you a kind of idea of the things she was advocating, but also the way she conducted herself on the debate, let us watch this clip.
00:50:48.060That there's a family that's literally living in a house that you might still have keys to, tending olive groves that were your family's line of business if they haven't cut those all down.
00:50:56.980And so, the people who have had that experience, as you can imagine if you were in their shoes, are never going to let up wanting to have the right to return to their homes.
00:51:05.380This is not a kind of 2,000 years ago sort of a dream.
00:51:09.720Are there lots of Pakistanis who want to return to India?
00:51:12.000In my lifetime, you've purged me from my literal home where I have keys to, and now it's being occupied by someone who maybe immigrated from Europe, maybe immigrated from Brooklyn, and that injustice really hits home.
00:51:23.720On top of that, you've been denied the right to have any kind of state, a passport, an airport, a country, the kind of things that constitute a country, right?
00:51:31.320Joe Biden is now spending your tax dollars building a port in Gaza because Gaza isn't allowed to have those kinds of basic infrastructure projects on its own.
00:51:42.000So, what absolutely needs to be done is for there to be a right of return for the people who were purged out of Israel.
00:51:47.060So, Brianna, just so I understand, you think that Israel's response to October 7th would have been to build Gaza an airport.
00:52:22.240I'd like to see her apply that to Britain.
00:52:24.320I was about to say she's just made the case for the right to be a migration restrictionist because you're an indigenous European and you have an entitlement to your homeland.
00:52:35.480But she won't because she just hates white people.
00:52:37.380Her argument in the debate, because I watched all of it, was that Israel should become a multicultural state rather than an ethno state.
00:53:19.680And when Hamas is talking about eliminating Israel, it's talking about not killing all of the Jews.
00:53:25.960It's about eliminating the idea of a Jewish state, ending a Jewish state, ending an ethno national state and having a state more like what we have in the United States of America.
00:53:42.660So Hamas wants liberal pluralism is genuine.
00:54:02.740She made that Hamas is, for some reason, when members of Hamas say that they should eliminate Israel, that what, according to her, they mean that they want to eliminate the ethno state and not introduce a multicultural state.
00:54:20.660That seems to me to be completely mistaken and a bit unhinged.
00:54:27.740It was either stupid or a lie or both.
00:54:29.360Well, anyway, so after the debate, there was some bad blood, you could say.
00:54:35.940Konstantin Kissen has this tweet where he refers to her as DEI Barbie, and she didn't like that very much.
00:54:44.980He writes, imagine participating in a debate about Israel and Palestine.
00:54:49.900Imagine answering literally zero of the questions you were asked.
00:54:53.680Imagine talking over everyone else and being disrespectful to fellow panelists and the moderator.
00:54:58.220Imagine storming off stage afterwards, screaming that everyone is racist, telling the moderator, I'm never doing this again, and throwing the microphone at the debate organizer.
00:55:07.080Imagine then complaining online that your abject failure is the fault of the organizers, moderator, and crowd.
00:55:12.560Now, I must say, I do think she gave some answers, because she did say that what she stands for is for a multicultural state in Israel.
00:55:22.740That's her answer into what should be done.
00:55:26.080But apart from this, what do you think she took issue with from this?
00:55:31.000I've got two things to say before we get on to that.
00:55:34.020First of all, an African-American lady blaming everyone but herself for her own failure.