The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to this pre-recorded podcast of the Lotus Seaters for Friday the 7th of

00:00:14.360 June 2024. We couldn't do it live because of some administrative things happening on

00:00:19.240 the back end, so my apologies, we won't have any comments today, obviously. But I am joined

00:00:23.200 by Kelly J. Keene, otherwise known as Posie Parker.

00:00:26.400 Hi.

00:00:26.960 Thank you so much for coming in.

00:00:28.020 Well, thanks for having me.

00:00:30.000 It's our pleasure. So today I thought we'd talk about the Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak

00:00:34.960 debate, Battle of the Managers. Really looking forward to that. How the pressure is rising

00:00:39.900 in the British political climate, and we will close off with Fetish Month, which is something

00:00:45.920 I'm sure you don't have any controversial opinions about.

00:00:48.780 So, let's begin. Sunak and Keir Starmer had a debate on ITV recently, and it was so boring,

00:00:58.100 there were zero clips of it floating around Twitter.

00:01:02.020 That is true. But they did do a little bit of kind of faux anger, interrupting, didn't

00:01:09.560 they? It was so bizarre.

00:01:11.020 They did, they did. I saw people on both sides saying, Keir Starmer keeps interrupting, Rishi

00:01:15.380 Sunak keeps interrupting. But then when you actually watch it, it's just really tepid and

00:01:19.680 boring.

00:01:20.000 Yeah. It was like someone said to both of them before, oh, come on, you can do it. Yeah,

00:01:26.020 go on, show everybody that you really mean it. Passion, passion, passion. And then clearly

00:01:30.880 they've not got any passion at all between them. But they sort of pretended by saying,

00:01:36.860 by just, yeah, slightly interrupting. But it was more like, well, you said this. Yeah,

00:01:41.400 but you said that. Oh, you're not going to do this. It was dull.

00:01:45.160 It was. But I thought there was some revealing things from it, actually, though. Because,

00:01:50.100 I mean, Sunak began in this sort of weird, inauthentic, scripted way. He's obviously been

00:01:55.880 told by whoever's handling him at the Conservative Party headquarters, like, no, you've got to say

00:02:00.820 this, this, this, and this in this order, in order to make people think that's the case.

00:02:04.680 But after a while, he kind of broke out of that and actually became a little bit more

00:02:09.240 personable. Whereas Keir Starmer started quite aggressively and condescendingly and was unnecessarily

00:02:15.280 sort of arrogant. But it's like, Keir, no one likes you, you know? And so you come across

00:02:20.520 as very, you know, high-handed and unapproachable, you know, but quite actually dogmatic as well.

00:02:29.040 Yeah, but, you know, I think anybody that says that they would let their own relative die.

00:02:34.060 I was going to get to that. I was going to get to that. Because, like, you know, I'm not a fan

00:02:39.880 of Sunak at all. You know, I spend most of my day ratio-ing him on Twitter. But Starmer, actually,

00:02:47.360 I thought, came out looking really bad out of this. Basically kind of psychopathic. Weirdly just

00:02:53.580 ideological. Like, he tries to present himself as just, oh, I'm just here to look at the facts and

00:02:59.600 stuff. But then when pressed on these things, he really comes down hard on bizarre lines, which

00:03:06.380 I'm just mad. I mean, like, aggressively going after the rich is one thing. So, you know, I'm not

00:03:12.560 rich. I don't care if billionaires pay extra taxes. That's totally fine. But there was this kind of

00:03:17.980 undercurrent of, like, real resentment in Keir Starmer when he's talking about it. Like, the rich

00:03:22.380 have killed his dog or something, you know? But there's a genuine sort of personal, I know,

00:03:26.440 I just really hate those rich people. It's like, okay, Keir. And this, I think, is revealed

00:03:30.180 in him going after private schools. Yeah. It's like, Keir, private schools are something

00:03:33.420 that people usually work hard to have to be, you know, to be able to send their kids to,

00:03:36.820 like I did. I didn't go to a private school. My dad was born and, you know, lived in a caravan

00:03:41.900 for the first four years of his life. I now get to send my son to a private school. And

00:03:46.160 I'm really, I'm doing it mostly just to make my dad proud. Yeah. And so, like, Keir

00:03:50.260 Starmer being like, yeah, it's only rich people who sent. No, no. Worked really hard, Keir.

00:03:54.520 Yeah. Saved a lot of money. I don't drive around the Jag. I send my kids to a nice school

00:03:58.480 because they can have what me and my dad didn't have. Yeah. And so, Keir Starmer being like,

00:04:02.820 right, I'm putting an end to this. Thanks, Keir. You know?

00:04:06.200 Look, I totally support the idea of closing off all the loopholes, which means people that

00:04:11.080 should pay tax actually pay tax. I don't want Jimmy Carr taking advantage of his tax loopholes.

00:04:16.920 But I'm, you know, I think it's right and proper that, and it doesn't make sense sometimes,

00:04:21.880 that actually, if you can have a really clever accountant, that you can avoid so much tax.

00:04:27.220 However, I don't see that it's a, I don't see it's a policy that's good for Britain to suddenly

00:04:33.860 say, right, we're going to recruit a couple of hundred more teachers to deal with the number

00:04:38.940 of people that will have to take their kids out of private school.

00:04:41.480 Well, six and a half thousand teachers.

00:04:43.040 I know, but I mean, in the grand scheme of things, that's how much we need now. That's

00:04:47.980 how many teachers we need right now. And you and I probably both know that there's not enough

00:04:52.680 teachers at schools we may send our kids to. But six and a half thousand is not going to cover the

00:04:59.900 number of people that then need to pull their kids out of private school in order to send them

00:05:04.560 to a state school. And state schools, I'm just going to say it, they are more or less just crap.

00:05:12.100 Yeah.

00:05:12.440 So many of them. And in the issue that I talk about all the time, I've been into schools and

00:05:19.260 there are teachers that bare face lie about the indoctrination that they are subjecting children

00:05:24.300 to. So I think there's bigger issues at school than how much VAT, a private school pays.

00:05:30.540 Uh, and I would be focusing on that if I was Keir Starmer. And the thing that what I was saying

00:05:36.400 when, you know, he's actually weirdly ideological about this is no, we all have to have exactly the

00:05:41.200 same education. So, okay, Keir, but that's not going to improve comprehensive education. All that's

00:05:46.820 going to do is reduce access to good education for a portion of the students. Yeah. And he's speaking

00:05:51.580 from a very middle class household where they probably can afford help. You know, he probably

00:05:56.940 doesn't clean his own house, which is fine. I'm absolutely fine about that. You know, employer

00:06:01.380 cleaner, that's great. But you can't pretend that all things are equal. If you send your kid to a

00:06:05.880 prior, to a state school, and the same as somebody in an inner city estate sends their kid to a state

00:06:11.660 school, they are not getting the same education. And so I just think we need to look to more discipline

00:06:17.740 in state schools. I would be more focusing on that. So everybody gets a better standard in a state

00:06:22.220 school, not making people with a relatively good education, although not that great, even

00:06:27.920 coming into the state system. I completely agree. I mean, bring back the rod.

00:06:34.540 Totally in favor, because I'm not at school. So he came across quite spiteful, actually, to me in many

00:06:43.140 ways. But just on the other side, Richie Sinek just came across like a man who's living in a delusional

00:06:48.380 la-la land. Keir Starmer's going to raise your taxes. You raise my taxes. Keir Starmer's soft

00:06:53.360 on immigration. No, no, Richie Sinek there talks about immigration. Keir Starmer rightfully was

00:06:57.860 like, you're the most liberal prime minister on immigration. Totally true. Like, the Conservatives

00:07:01.780 have a catastrophic record in government. It's been the worst.

00:07:06.800 Well, I think that, I mean, I don't want to keep going back to Starmer, but I think for both of them,

00:07:11.340 what we deserve is a good government, but also a really good opposition. And we've not had either

00:07:16.940 for a really, really long time. It should be, it should have been easy over the last few elections

00:07:22.240 for the Conservatives to lose massively. And people didn't feel there was a good alternative.

00:07:27.500 And I still don't, I don't think, unless you're tribal, I don't think there's any floating voter

00:07:33.400 that's voting for something. I think they're voting against something.

00:07:37.340 I agree. And I think the turnout is just going to be the major issue, the main takeaway of this next

00:07:41.280 election. I mean, Labour are always going to have that sort of third of the electorate that's just,

00:07:45.240 we vote Labour because we're natural serfs and our great, great grandfathers

00:07:49.940 pledged an oath of allegiance to Clement Attlee or something. I don't know.

00:07:54.900 You know, like there's, you know, there's some, there's about a third of the electorate that's

00:07:59.160 just like that. But like we saw in the by-elections, like the Conservative vote just collapses.

00:08:03.540 It doesn't go to the Labour Party. People just go right, catch, won't vote.

00:08:07.000 And so the best I'm hoping for is the kind of delegitimisation of Starmer in power by the lack

00:08:14.120 of turnout in the next election. I'm not going to be voting for anyone. But one thing I noticed,

00:08:19.160 and I think this actually speaks to the problem of the legitimacy of the style of politics that

00:08:25.920 we have at the moment, is the audience were not impressed with any of their answers. There's very

00:08:29.600 little applause from anyone in the audience. There wasn't even boos. There was just this kind of

00:08:33.980 blank resignation of, oh God, it's going to be another five years, more of the same that began

00:08:38.800 in about 1997. And this, I think, is the main problem, isn't it? Like what we're looking at

00:08:45.560 is not a conflict of visions. It's a conflict of how things can be properly best done. As in,

00:08:52.560 you know, the two different deputy regional managers have been brought onto the stage and now

00:08:58.800 they're going to argue the fineries of policy, but all of them are in exactly the same direction.

00:09:03.980 And neither of them represent leadership.

00:09:06.800 Yeah. They've got no personality. And I think that is the fault of media and scrutinising every

00:09:13.000 single word. And actually, I think people are so desperate that now, whatever anybody may think

00:09:19.180 of Farajan, even if you don't like him, and I do happen to like him, but even if you don't like him,

00:09:25.000 you can't say you don't know a little bit about him. You can't, you can characterise him.

00:09:30.500 And you can talk about sort of how he is as a human being. I don't think you can do that with

00:09:36.360 many other politicians at all. And those that you can, because I focus on this one issue,

00:09:43.720 those that you can, sometimes you're like, oh, okay. So you're a really feisty kind of big figure

00:09:49.300 and you think you can talk about this, but you're more likely to talk about the wrongs of a man brushing

00:09:55.260 your knee than you are about a bloke getting his penis out in a changing room, a female changing

00:10:00.420 room. Men, you can get naked in men's changing rooms. Feel free.

00:10:04.460 Unfortunately, we have to. So yes, I think you're completely right. And I think there's a reason

00:10:10.260 that these sort of anti-managerial figures get monstered in the media, because this is the

00:10:17.880 paradigm that we're in. We're on a set of rails. I mean, Liz Truss, I think is completely correct

00:10:22.840 when she says, look, really, it's the sort of quango industrial complex in the Bank of England

00:10:26.380 that are in control of the country. And therefore, just putting a manager in place to be the prime

00:10:31.920 minister and the government is far more preferable to them. Because technically, a party that did not

00:10:38.760 follow this style of politics could win a majority and just repeal it all, because parliament has the

00:10:43.520 power. And that's the fear from the sort of pyramid of, I don't know what to call it,

00:10:48.980 other than just the Blairite pyramid, you know, where it's the NGOs, the activists, the media,

00:10:55.260 then the quangos, and then the person they installed to be, and literally Rishi Sinek

00:11:01.100 installed to be the prime minister. If someone could win a stonking victory in an election,

00:11:07.320 then they could say, right, okay, that's gone. I'm just undoing all of that. And it won't be

00:11:12.140 this election. But next election, it could well be someone like Nigel Farage, who would have the

00:11:18.860 motivation to do it. Well, I wonder if Labour, if Labour get in, but don't get that many votes,

00:11:25.780 but still get more votes than other people, I wonder whether we would think about a different

00:11:30.340 voting system. I wonder if somehow, if they can benefit from a different voting system,

00:11:36.900 maybe we can all benefit from a different voting system. Maybe that this will be the last election

00:11:42.120 with First Past the Post. I don't think so. I don't see why Labour would be incentivised

00:11:47.480 to destroy First Past the Post. Well, it depends, doesn't it? It depends whether the Tory vote,

00:11:51.360 if the Tory vote is split by reform, which I think it probably will be, then if Labour have the

00:11:56.560 majority of votes, as well as the majority of seats, which they may well, they would be,

00:12:03.860 well, we'll see. Because if reform carry on, I don't know the maths behind it, but I just feel

00:12:10.300 that we're at the end of this working. We'll get onto that in the next segment, because I think

00:12:14.860 you are right about that. But I just don't see Labour having any reason to bring in First Past the

00:12:19.500 Post, proportional representation, because it's just going to cut their vote share down to about

00:12:24.480 the 30% that it actually is. And therefore, they're not going to have like 470 bloody seats,

00:12:30.660 which they're probably going to win in the next election, however many it is. So, you know,

00:12:34.380 there's just no incentive for them to do it. It'd be kind of suicidal, actually. But anyway,

00:12:39.260 yeah, let's get to the most interesting part, which was the talk of the NHS, actually, which is

00:12:45.080 rarely the most interesting part of any conversation, because I'm so sick of the NHS. Did you go out and

00:12:50.480 bang your pots and pans from the NHS? No. No, of course not, because you're not a lunatic.

00:12:55.100 No, I think, yeah, I haven't really got any neighbours, so I have nobody to impress or to signal my

00:13:01.660 virtue, to be honest. I live on a housing, not an estate, but, you know, I remember when it was

00:13:08.200 happening, hearing like a couple of streets down, someone doing it, and I was like, oh, you bloody

00:13:11.880 prat. You know, now we all just know you're way too online. You know, that's the problem. You know,

00:13:16.800 you need to get offline. But the point being, from this, is that the lady hosting that, I can't remember

00:13:22.900 her name, actually, I didn't say her name, Julie Etchingham. I've met her, yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:13:28.220 Does she think that women can have a penis? She did a programme years ago, like before

00:13:34.180 anybody really knew anything about me. She did a programme and we were on it and we were

00:13:38.680 interviewed. I can't even remember if I made the cut, if any of us made the cut, but she

00:13:42.820 was very on the side of, but what about the poor man with his penis? Can't he just get

00:13:48.140 it naked in front of women? She was a bit on that side of stuff. It was about transitioning

00:13:54.340 kids. And I think she was on the side of, we're evil to us for saying that maybe we

00:13:59.200 shouldn't. Yeah. And you were just like, no, not even once. No. You know, for some

00:14:03.400 reason. Anyway, so she asked, well, look, the NHS waiting times are abominable. About

00:14:09.660 12% of the country is on the NHS waiting list. If one of your family members was on the list

00:14:15.580 and dying, would you use private healthcare? And Rishi Sinek, actually, I thought, handled

00:14:20.180 this quite well because he looked kind of close. I was like, yeah. Kier Starmer instantly

00:14:23.640 came out and said, no. I was like, Kier? That's mental. That's, again, really bizarrely

00:14:29.920 ideological. And I'm sure his mum was just like, hello? Like, are you really just going

00:14:35.500 to let me die? And Kier was like, well, it's for the NHS, mum. You know, we can't sully

00:14:39.520 the reputation of the NHS, even if you have to die for it. And I think that really just

00:14:44.520 highlights the real problem with what I think his government is going to be when it comes

00:14:48.160 in. Dishonest, though. I mean, that's dishonest.

00:14:50.880 I mean, you know, that's the thing. Is it dishonest? I hope it's dishonest. I really

00:14:56.040 hope it's dishonest. Or he's a lunatic.

00:14:58.800 Well, I think this is what happens when you're tribal, right? When you have to hold

00:15:02.560 these ideological positions, you can't speak truthfully. So you often sound insincere

00:15:07.540 because you are insincere.

00:15:10.720 Or you sound evil.

00:15:11.860 Well, I mean, this is the whole of the left, right? And maybe there are elements of this

00:15:15.880 tribalism in the right, but I don't meet quite so much. I do meet a lot of people on the

00:15:20.160 left that are really tribal. And I think to even not hesitate over that question and just

00:15:26.560 go straight away. No. So it's like we always get asked, would you rather have a live daughter

00:15:31.300 or a dead son when it comes to the whole trans thing? And for Kier, it was like, would you

00:15:35.880 rather have a live daughter, a privately health care live daughter or a dead daughter? He's

00:15:41.080 like, dead. Yeah. Dead. A hundred percent dead. Dead. Let's book the funeral. Dead.

00:15:46.860 It's just mad, isn't it? It's such a mad response. But I think it's revealing about Kier as a

00:15:51.760 character because, again, he tries to portray himself as if he's just a sort of sensible

00:15:56.080 man, just trying to do the right thing. But actually, when it comes to these issues where

00:15:59.940 it's like, you know, he comes down very hard on an ideological thing where it's obviously

00:16:04.640 this is divorced from reality. Of course, you'd rather your mum live and have to use the

00:16:08.460 nightmarish hell that is a private health service or, you know, sending his child to a private

00:16:13.380 school or something. But Kier is very rigid on these points. And that concerns me because

00:16:17.940 of the way that we've seen that he's governed his own party. He's been actually really ruthless

00:16:21.900 with his own party. Yeah. And that's concerning because, I mean, you know, I share no sympathies

00:16:27.540 with Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn. But I actually think it's wrong for them to just be booted

00:16:32.500 out of the Labour Party. Yeah. Because Kier, like, they're part of the furniture. Yeah.

00:16:35.960 And she must have been impressive, right? Like, back in the 70s, she must have been,

00:16:41.880 I mean, she did sort of smash through quite a lot of barriers. It must have been, in a

00:16:47.340 way, as a black woman, as much as I don't want to play identity politics. I mean, I'm

00:16:52.940 not saying that I'm very impressed with her in the last decade. But to do that to her,

00:16:57.580 I think, is horrendous.

00:17:00.340 The thing is, it doesn't matter whether you like it or not. Yeah, this was just a wrong

00:17:03.600 thing to do. Yeah. And with Jeremy Corbyn. You know, they're such staples of the party

00:17:10.020 that to then just come in and say, right, okay, you've gone and I'm not in any way remorseful

00:17:14.620 or sentimental about this. It's like, come on, Kier. That's a bit out of sorts, isn't

00:17:19.100 it? You know, it's not on. Yeah, but then I think, I don't know, the whole, everything

00:17:23.740 about him just feels like he just wants to get into party. He doesn't deserve it. He doesn't

00:17:29.820 deserve to run the Labour Party. I don't know who does. Well, maybe he does deserve it.

00:17:33.820 Well, yeah. To be fair. Maybe.

00:17:35.560 But he doesn't deserve the country. That's the point.

00:17:37.640 No. And he, so, he used to run the, what was he?

00:17:42.840 Cram prosecutions. Yeah. He used to run that. And then he pretends that he doesn't know about

00:17:47.860 violence against women. I think he's got a poor track record there as well. Yeah, but

00:17:53.640 they're just so, he's so dull. He's such a machine man. That's the thing. He looks like

00:17:59.740 he's a machine, doing machine calculations without any kind of human sentiment involved

00:18:05.240 in any way, shape or form. And I just, I don't want that person being in charge. Because

00:18:08.940 I mean, I think that it's entirely possible that Kirsten will look at people who are off

00:18:13.600 of the approved progressive narrative and say, no, she just has to be sorted out. Oh, he just

00:18:19.000 has to be sorted out. That person just has to be sorted out. And I will ruthlessly and

00:18:23.240 remorselessly do whatever it takes to erase these people from public life. I think he's

00:18:28.060 that kind of person. So do you think, right, so with hate speech, because Labour in opposition

00:18:32.120 have been all up for kind of controlling our speech. Do you think that's going to continue?

00:18:37.220 Or do you think this has all just been a bit of a lie in order for them to stand against

00:18:41.460 the Tory? Do you think they're going to do it? I think this is one of their true beliefs.

00:18:45.420 I think there's a reason that they're so committed to it. And they really believe in hate speech.

00:18:50.140 Yeah, but do you think he does? Or do you think it's the...

00:18:53.020 No, I really think he does. And I think the very notion of challenging it to him is so

00:19:00.860 ludicrous that he'll put you in the sort of enemy camp by just saying, look here, are

00:19:06.260 we sure that, you know, making sure a guy can never see his children again because he put

00:19:10.240 some stickers is all right? So yeah, but the sticker was racist. It's like, I don't care

00:19:14.500 how racist... It wasn't even though, was it?

00:19:16.100 Oh, it doesn't matter if it was. Let's just assume... Yeah, I agree. The court admitted

00:19:20.520 the stickers were factually correct, right? But the... But let's just assume this Sam

00:19:26.220 Melia, by the way, if you're not aware. It doesn't... I don't care how racist the stickers

00:19:29.980 were. A, he shouldn't be in jail with some stickers. And B, if he is put in jail, he

00:19:34.660 shouldn't be prevented from seeing his children. Come on.

00:19:36.440 If only he had just sexually abused children or downloaded child porn, he would have been

00:19:39.960 fine. He'd have been fine. He wouldn't have got a jail sentence at all.

00:19:44.000 Yeah, that is unfortunately true. But I think Kira is very progressive on almost every issue

00:19:49.200 and is committed to it. And I'm actually a bit worried.

00:19:52.020 Very, very scared.

00:19:53.180 Yeah, I am actually a bit worried. I mean, hopefully he can prove me wrong by actually

00:19:56.920 being a very genial and reasonable person when he finally takes power, but I just don't

00:20:01.400 see it.

00:20:01.940 Well, maybe he'll break Britain so much that people will start to think about defending it.

00:20:06.960 Well, that's the only upside. The only silver lining to the cloud is that when you're under

00:20:12.460 a phenomenal tyranny, it tends to at least focus people's minds.

00:20:16.220 Do you think he'll be like Keir Trudeau? Do you think we'll stop killing? Do you think

00:20:19.820 we'll kill loads of people like Canada under the guise of eugenics? You know, like death?

00:20:24.960 I don't think he...

00:20:26.560 Well, aren't they?

00:20:27.980 I don't know how bad it'll get.

00:20:29.660 The state have killed about 30,000 people, I think, under assisted suicide.

00:20:35.020 It's the sixth leading cause of death in Canada. Is the government killing you?

00:20:38.800 Well, you've got to understand, healthcare's expensive, and if it's paid for by the taxpayer,

00:20:42.760 we've got to minimise that, which is unironically why they do it.

00:20:46.440 Well, maybe we'll just have another COVID. We'll get rid of loads of people. DNR.

00:20:50.760 Honestly, I would not be shocked if Keir Starmer brought in assisted dying.

00:20:56.040 But I wouldn't be surprised about it at all, because it's exactly this ideology that he

00:21:00.160 follows. Ideologically, there's no difference between him and Trudeau. So the question is just

00:21:06.140 how exposed is he prepared to put himself on this?

00:21:09.180 Does he have a father that used to be in charge of a socialist country?

00:21:14.660 Have you ever seen the pictures of Trudeau?

00:21:15.500 I think he might, yeah.

00:21:16.860 Yes, I have.

00:21:17.340 Darren Castro, brilliant.

00:21:18.580 Have you seen the pictures of Trudeau and his purported father? Like, his father's got a long,

00:21:24.620 ugly face.

00:21:25.480 Yeah.

00:21:25.920 Pierre Trudeau, he's a very ugly man. He's very long. And Trudeau looks like a model,

00:21:30.740 you know, and it's like, yeah, I think it's shaped exactly. It's obvious.

00:21:34.300 To tell if someone looks the same, what you should do, so you're not tricked by the way

00:21:38.320 that your eyes will fill in the blanks, is you have to tip their photos upside down.

00:21:42.340 Oh, really?

00:21:42.740 And then you can see clearer, because your brain doesn't make up all the details.

00:21:47.340 You can see, and I'm telling you.

00:21:49.900 I'm not even, I don't even consider it a conspiracy theory.

00:21:53.720 You know, if that were my son, I'd be like, you know, anyway. So, the polls, if I can go

00:22:03.400 on to that, had Rishi Sinek edging them out initially, and then there's another poll

00:22:08.380 where Keir Starmer edged out Rishi Sinek afterwards. So, as you can see, like, everyone's

00:22:13.720 like, well, I mean.

00:22:16.480 I mean, if you stayed awake that long, I guess.

00:22:18.600 Yeah. They're basically as bad as each other.

00:22:21.100 Yeah. But we'll leave that there, because it looks like we've got an impending tyranny

00:22:25.240 coming, and there's not a lot we can do about it, and the people that you find interesting

00:22:30.440 on the internet may disappear from the internet, actually. But anyway, so, let's talk about

00:22:36.360 the rising political pressure in Britain, because I think that there is some, and I can really

00:22:41.760 feel it in the air when dealing with these things. And I think it was brought into sharp

00:22:48.460 relief when Nigel Farage got milkshaked. For some reason, Politics UK have got, he had

00:22:53.380 a pint of beer thrown in his face, but...

00:22:56.020 That's in Clacton.

00:22:57.060 It was in Clacton.

00:22:59.460 Oh, I didn't know about this one.

00:23:00.840 Yeah.

00:23:01.820 I thought the milk, so is there a milkshake and beer?

00:23:04.540 No, it was just the milkshake.

00:23:05.760 Oh, okay, fine.

00:23:06.220 It was just a banana milkshake or something.

00:23:08.420 Yeah.

00:23:08.640 And so, before we go on, though, like, how do you perceive the sort of temperature of

00:23:16.060 politics at the moment?

00:23:18.300 Well, I've obviously formed my own party, and I'm finding it more difficult than I had

00:23:27.420 imagined. We've had candidates drop out because, I mean, one woman lost the lease on her business

00:23:35.340 that she'd been in for 12 years, because they found out she wanted to run.

00:23:40.560 So, what's the name of the party? What's the goal of the party? Because, I mean, you know,

00:23:46.560 if it's the Adolf Hitler Appreciation Party or something like that, maybe I could understand.

00:23:51.620 It's worse, actually. It's Party of Women, and we have, this is the length of our manifesto.

00:23:59.240 It's basically, no woman has a penis, no man has a vagina, no such thing as non-binary.

00:24:04.100 It doesn't even sound like a manifesto.

00:24:06.420 That's it.

00:24:06.940 It doesn't sound like a manifesto.

00:24:08.040 That's our manifesto. That's our whole, that's it. It's just about, it's a disruptor.

00:24:15.100 That's what we intend to do. We want to force, like Farage did, right? We want to force people

00:24:21.000 into having a position on whether or not they think women have penises, and whether we should

00:24:26.060 be talking about this crap in schools.

00:24:27.760 And we just want to sort of create conversations so that people know that they are being had.

00:24:35.760 I've met so many women all over the world, actually, who have no idea that their discomfort

00:24:41.880 is justified when, like, women self-excluding from, like, their aqua fit. And then all of

00:24:48.880 a sudden, Janet turns up with a hefty bulge. And he's, he's then joining their women-only

00:24:55.940 aqua fit. And so those women can't complain. Or if they do, they get told there's nothing

00:25:02.020 that can be done. So they self-exclude.

00:25:03.640 So we want, we want everyone to know that you can say, actually, I'm uncomfortable. I don't like

00:25:09.300 it. It's wrong. And you should be able to say that. And the more people that wake up who were

00:25:15.860 sort of, who agree with us, because it's not like you have to convince anyone. You've either got

00:25:20.000 nutty tribal leftists who think that live and let live, except for women, they've just got to put up

00:25:27.120 with bloats in their spaces. Or you've got people who don't know that this is going on. Or you've got

00:25:32.240 people that do know, but don't know they can speak. So that's the whole point of everything

00:25:35.540 we're doing.

00:25:36.220 Well, I've got to say, I've never met a leftist who ever took the approach of live and let live.

00:25:40.340 No, no, no.

00:25:41.000 In any, in any subject, anywhere.

00:25:43.340 No.

00:25:44.300 But women's space is obviously being one of those things. So, I mean, all that sounded like to me

00:25:48.660 is just a common sense approach to gender politics, which I think most people would agree with.

00:25:54.400 Yeah.

00:25:54.660 And so where are you and your candidates standing?

00:25:57.540 Well, this is a good question, because they're all registering at the moment. And we've,

00:26:00.640 we've really faced quite a lot of obstructive people at councils. I don't know whether they're

00:26:06.800 incompetent or they're doing it on purpose. We've also got women going into councils to

00:26:12.600 hand in their nomination forms who've got pride flags, which I, I am wondering actually whether

00:26:19.760 that is against the democratic process because they're political symbols and we are during this

00:26:24.600 election, um, sort of purder. Um, but I'm going to stand in Bristol. I was going to stand in

00:26:32.660 against Jess Phillips, but I'm now going to stand against Thangam-Debonair.

00:26:36.980 Just got to say, I am disappointed.

00:26:38.620 I'm so sorry.

00:26:39.200 You're not standing in Birmingham Yardley.

00:26:40.700 I'm sorry.

00:26:41.480 You know, the funny thing though, if you'd done that, the media would be like,

00:26:43.940 why is she jumping to the misogynist defence? That's what it would have, that's what they

00:26:48.560 would have taken. So maybe it's probably better for you if you go to Bristol. I mean,

00:26:51.640 you've got more media attention in there.

00:26:53.200 Well, I just, I think I'll be overshadowed by Galloway, which is why I'm not doing it.

00:26:56.980 And I wanted to go for Angela Rayner. Um, cause she says men's rights are women's rights.

00:27:03.200 Does she?

00:27:03.920 Yeah, but she basically says trans women's rights are women's rights.

00:27:07.880 So I wanted to go against her, but, uh, and Jess Phillips, I think there's a number of women

00:27:12.740 in Labour who are like, oh, I'll say anything to anyone. Oh, I'm not afraid. And then on this

00:27:17.320 issue, they've been really silent. Um, and even the ones that do speak up are also

00:27:21.480 cowards when it comes to repealing the GRA, which is essentially what I want to do.

00:27:26.040 I think that equality act is crap. I think that needs ripping up and we need to start again. I

00:27:31.640 think we need a men's act. I think we need a women's act and I think we need a disability rights

00:27:35.840 act. And then beyond that, I don't, I don't know what else I would kind of cover.

00:27:41.000 Well, why do we need anything else?

00:27:42.860 Well, I don't know. I mean, I said something the other day about, I think we should be able to

00:27:46.320 discriminate against men who call themselves women. And you'd think I'd said, I would like to take

00:27:50.840 them all to camps and, and kill them all. And I, I didn't say that at all. I just, I do think if

00:27:57.160 a bloke turned up for an interview and I owned a florist or if he came and started work and he's

00:28:04.380 Jeff and he's fine. And then day three, he turns up in a dress and says, I'm Janet now. I think I

00:28:13.380 should be there. Sack him. Actually. I think my customers will find it uncomfortable. I think other

00:28:18.020 staff would find it uncomfortable. And if he turned up in a gimp suit, I'm, I'm, I'm, I imagine I would

00:28:23.800 be at a second, but even if he's a teacher, he's allowed to carry on his profession. I just, it's

00:28:29.400 insane. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:28:32.520 It is mad. So there we go. Um, so anyway, let's, let's get back to Farage.

00:28:37.380 No, no, no, no. That's totally fine. I asked. Um, so Farage, I think, and yourself, and I've

00:28:43.160 been in the crosshairs as well, emblematic of a heightened political tension because what all of

00:28:48.800 the people who are receiving political violence, and that's what this is, uh, what they all have

00:28:55.120 in common is actually not necessarily the political platform, but it is opposition to the sort of,

00:29:00.920 uh, hierarchy of Blairism. Yeah.

00:29:03.260 Mentioned earlier. Yeah. Uh, and so if you find yourself on the outside of the inner consensus,

00:29:08.300 well, you're targeted and that's what happened to Farage. And so everyone, uh, thought, Oh,

00:29:14.040 it was a lady called Emily Hewittson that did it, uh, because, um, this started going around.

00:29:19.340 Well, blondes all look the same.

00:29:20.860 Well, uh, to be fair, facially they are, they do look quite similar.

00:29:24.800 Yeah. Uh, but I've, I've met Emily. She's a perfectly nice person and she is a big fan of

00:29:29.460 Nigel Farage and definitely didn't do this. Uh, but the, as you can see,

00:29:33.260 you know, lefty accounts started going, Oh, well, this is a PR stunt. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:37.420 No, no, this is just the stochastic terrorism that you have ginned up. Uh, the woman herself

00:29:43.040 was actually someone else. Her name was Victoria Thomas Bowen, double barreled surname, uh, who

00:29:49.460 runs an OnlyFans account. And that's how she works.

00:29:51.800 Um, lovely.

00:29:53.740 Yep. Uh, guess which party she votes for?

00:29:57.040 Labour?

00:29:57.680 Yeah.

00:29:58.200 How did you know?

00:29:59.260 They love a bit of OnlyFans, don't they?

00:30:00.760 Yeah. How did you know? Uh, she posts about this on, uh, Facebook quote, vote Labour for

00:30:06.820 the many, not the few. So she's a Corbyn act. Uh, and, uh, when asked why she did it, uh,

00:30:12.340 she said, because Farage is an arse and then added, he just is. I don't know why.

00:30:17.360 Oh, brilliant.

00:30:19.540 Okay.

00:30:20.140 Wow. What an exceptional young woman.

00:30:22.220 Yeah.

00:30:23.220 Aspirational woman.

00:30:25.040 Yeah.

00:30:25.120 She, very informed in politics. Um, but the point and the reason that she's done this is

00:30:31.240 because she knows there's a large contingent of Labour voters who will sing her praises.

00:30:36.500 Because apparently you're allowed to do that. I mean, it's Philip Proudfoot. Uh, you can just,

00:30:40.600 uh, see his bio here. I don't know if this is Charlotte Proudfoot's husband or something.

00:30:44.780 But, uh, she's a genius.

00:30:47.580 She's wonderful, isn't she? Um, but, uh, as you can see, he's a lefty human rights type

00:30:52.220 and, uh, he's England's Rose. It's like, uh, I think she might be a prostitute.

00:30:58.180 Sorry. He's human rights and he's championing somebody, assaulting someone. What a great man.

00:31:04.280 I'm for humanitarianism in Arab states.

00:31:08.680 Yeah, but not over here. Well, he does say Britain as well, like accountability, humanitarianism

00:31:13.200 in Arab states, Britain, elsewhere. And of course, I think it's a great thing when the

00:31:17.600 political opposition gets intimidated by random members of the public.

00:31:21.400 I mean, look, I've been subjected to violence myself, uh, just, uh, not in a political realm,

00:31:27.760 but just with people disagreeing with me. I said I was going to go to Bristol today, which

00:31:31.200 I did. And a couple of people were talking about milkshakes and soup, tomato milkshakes

00:31:36.620 and stuff. But yeah, it's, I mean, I think she should, I think she should definitely be charged

00:31:42.920 and, and something, you know, quite serious. Someone said, do you think she, she shouldn't go

00:31:47.400 to prison? No, no. But I do think it should be, it should definitely be a punishment that

00:31:52.500 prevents other people thinking they could do the same. 100%. I mean, Nigel Farage didn't

00:31:56.840 take it great, to be honest. And this is, he's, he's been milkshaked before and you can

00:32:01.440 tell that this really affects him deeply because he is a professional politician and has been

00:32:06.020 for the last 30 plus years. Yeah. And so he, to, to him, this is very serious. I think

00:32:10.040 we'll watch a bit of this because it's his demeanor that I found most striking.

00:32:13.480 I, in the face, fair and square, quite frightening. Why does this keep happening to you in particular,

00:32:21.480 do you think? Because I go out and meet the public, nobody

00:32:23.360 else does. You know, what does Rishi do? He gets a room with two dozen councillors or whatever

00:32:26.960 it is. No one goes out and does the old style street campaign in the way that I do. And this,

00:32:31.520 and this is the risk that goes with it. And you know, I'll be honest, it is quite scary.

00:32:36.480 Well, that's the serious point is that it was a milkshake and, you know, it's uncomfortable,

00:32:41.480 but it could have been something more serious. I know. I know. And is it, is that something

00:32:46.720 you think about? It's a very tough question to answer. I try not to.

00:32:54.980 Which is totally fair. I've had stuff shoved in my face. I've had water thrown at me and

00:33:00.300 it could have been acid. And actually acid is not exactly uncommon. It's not like you

00:33:03.960 never hear about that over here. Well, yeah. I mean, it used to be when sort of we were

00:33:08.360 young. Yeah. It never happened. But for some reason now it happens on moderately relative.

00:33:14.200 So bizarre. I don't know why. Yeah. I don't know why the British have suddenly taken that

00:33:17.880 up. But this is the point. You can, it's actually an evil thing to do. It's a one, it's anti-democratic.

00:33:25.680 It's evil. And everyone knows that's the case. And this is why the left are literally just

00:33:29.580 cheering. Well, it's because it happened to our enemies. Victoria was indeed charged with

00:33:35.560 criminal assault and damage. She will be appearing on the 2nd of July in Colchester Magistrate's

00:33:42.280 Court, which is good. Because this has just got to stop. Yeah, yeah. This has absolutely

00:33:47.540 got to stop. I mean, and the thing is, this has gone beyond just, okay, someone's standing

00:33:52.160 for an election. Okay, fair enough. Not fair enough. But you know what I mean. At least,

00:33:56.020 at least they're someone who's trying to attain some sort of power or something like that.

00:34:02.180 Um, but then a talk TV journalist got milkshaked as well. It's like, okay. Isn't that, isn't

00:34:08.480 that a joke? Oh, was it? I think. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. I think, I think that's him

00:34:13.800 being funny. Fingers crossed. I didn't actually take the time to look into it. Yeah, I think

00:34:17.340 that's, yeah, I think that's Kevin O'Sullivan. Well, making light of it, maybe. Okay. Yeah.

00:34:21.880 That's even worse then. This is not funny. Like, you know, okay. I mean, it's exactly

00:34:26.820 as far as I said. You don't know what's in it. You know, it could have been anything.

00:34:30.600 You can't, you can't do this. Yeah. And also it reminds you how vulnerable you are. If

00:34:34.320 somebody can even get close enough to you to chuck a drink. Yeah. And like I said, I've

00:34:39.140 been, I've been so many places, we are always intimidated. Um, I have to have, everywhere

00:34:45.460 I go now, I have to have, oh, that's me. Oh, there we go. Yeah. I have to have, um,

00:34:50.820 personal protection. When I went to Oklahoma, I had 10, 10 armed, um, men to make sure that

00:34:58.960 I was safe. Um, after that had happened to me in Australia, I went into armed protection

00:35:04.340 with the police. And in fact, even the police won and I took other police officers won and

00:35:08.920 I had to know where I was because it was quite serious. So yeah, that, and it's, it's a left

00:35:14.440 thing maybe. I don't, well, I don't ever see anyone who's not a leftist doing it. That's

00:35:19.180 the thing. No, but you will hear about it. So you will, what you'll hear, right? Is

00:35:24.020 you'll, you won't hear anything about the left violently intimidating anybody, but if

00:35:29.320 there's even a minor scuffle in any other sort of political, um, gathering, you will hear

00:35:35.920 about that and that will be the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. But candidates being repeatedly

00:35:41.020 assaulted. And again, there's, it's, it's not like, you know, I mean, this is the second

00:35:45.420 time it's happened to Farage, happened to me, of course, uh, happens to Tommy Robinson.

00:35:50.740 It's happened to like literally every dissonant figure, but, and then, so for us, okay, it's

00:35:57.080 just a milkshake. Okay. Fair enough. It's, you know, it's just a can of soup. Okay. Fair

00:36:01.160 enough. That, that is bad, but you're on the point where you're normalizing the, the idea

00:36:06.840 that it's okay to assault people with whom you disagree. Yeah. You know, to actually,

00:36:11.480 and okay, it wasn't, it wasn't a grievous injury, but that's yet. It's not a grievous

00:36:16.740 injury yet. But it's anti-democracy because then what you do is you discourage people from

00:36:21.400 wanting to enter into politics, which is really, politics is difficult enough to get into anyway,

00:36:27.000 because it's very bureaucratic and you've got to have a lot of time and patience to really

00:36:31.580 understand what the process is and how to be part of it. But then once you're part of it,

00:36:35.960 if you're also, if you don't say the right things, um, and the people that feel they can

00:36:40.700 get away with violently assaulting you can do it, then why would you get involved? Yeah. And in other

00:36:46.620 countries, I mean, they do have it worse. For example, an AFD politician was stabbed a couple

00:36:50.780 of days ago, uh, while on the campaign trail, uh, Heinrich Koch was attacked with a knife, uh, after

00:36:57.020 confronting a suspect who's tearing down election posters near a town square. Absolutely mad. Uh,

00:37:02.080 we get no details on the subject, but, uh, he apparently shows clear signs of mental illness.

00:37:07.260 Might've been screaming something in a foreign language, I guess. Uh, and of course, uh, someone

00:37:11.560 was attacked at an anti-Islam demonstration and a policeman was killed, arresting the person who

00:37:17.500 was being attacked. Um, and so it's, it's mad. I mean, Koch himself needed stitches in the head and

00:37:23.460 had a cut in his stomach, but the injuries thankfully weren't life-threatening,

00:37:26.140 but the co-chief of the AFD, uh, was like, well, this is shocking. It leaves you stand. It's like,

00:37:30.300 yeah, it is. And this is because this attitude towards your political opponents is becoming

00:37:35.060 normalized in this country. Yeah. It just shouldn't be that we see like, you know, Nigel Farage,

00:37:42.420 like. Did all politicians come and like, I would, this is what I think should happen. And I haven't,

00:37:48.320 maybe I haven't been paying too much attention because I've been too wrapped up in, in the things

00:37:52.620 that I've been having to do, but Rishi, Kier, um, and, um, loses his balance at Davey. Yeah.

00:38:01.680 Uh, they should have all come out and condemned it. Did they?

00:38:04.640 You know, I didn't actually see Rishi or Kier condemn it, which is weird. I saw Yvette

00:38:09.540 Cooper of all people. Right. Which, okay. At least someone says. Yeah. But actually there

00:38:13.880 wasn't widespread condemnation. It should have been a really serious kind of, uh, right. This

00:38:18.480 is, you know, this is interfering with democracy and how would they feel if it was them? And

00:38:22.700 actually, you know, Rishi in particular, I, I guess. You would think he'd be concerned about

00:38:29.100 it, but there should be a hard line on this because I mean, the, the normalization of this

00:38:33.500 kind of aggressive, uh, anti-democratic political violence escalates as the AFD have shown us.

00:38:40.320 And it's not like there isn't a heightened sense of tension in the country. I mean, do you remember

00:38:44.580 a few months ago where Lindsay Hoyle was saying, look, I just don't want anyone in the parliament

00:38:48.600 to get killed after David Armis had been killed? Obviously that, and Joe Cox, that looms in the

00:38:53.880 memory of people because no, we're at the point where politicians are being assassinated actually.

00:38:58.380 Yeah. Yeah. We're at that point. And so talk TV making a joke about it, but I'd given them

00:39:03.640 the benefit of the doubt. I didn't even look into it to be honest. I saw it in that. Oh God,

00:39:06.880 that's happening too. I'd given them the benefit of the doubt being like, okay, someone was being

00:39:10.780 a prat to this guy as well. If they're actually mocking and making light of that,

00:39:14.220 that's like, that's even worse. That's totally unconscionable. Like, sorry, people have been

00:39:18.980 actually killed over this stuff and you're making it normal that people should be attacked

00:39:23.760 for their politics. I mean, I did genuinely think I was going to die when I was in New

00:39:27.320 Zealand. It's like not, not, you don't know what I thought I was going to get to the floor

00:39:31.040 and never get up. Yeah. You don't know what they're doing. No. You know, it's. And the mob

00:39:35.360 works in a particular way. And also once you throw that milkshake, once you kind of cross

00:39:40.000 that line. Yeah. The, the likelihood of actual, like real serious violence. Yeah. A seal has

00:39:47.320 been broken. Yeah, absolutely. A seal has been broken. Why not a punch? Yeah. I mean,

00:39:51.360 I, I, that's the one thing I really liked about Prescott. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that he hit

00:39:55.920 back was, he did go up in the polls after that as well. Yeah. Um, but I don't like anything

00:40:00.820 else about Prescott. No, no. But, um, but, but the point is it's, it's unacceptable and everyone

00:40:04.820 knows it's unacceptable. The speed of that rabbit punch was good. It was funny. Yeah.

00:40:08.460 Uh, and the only, the only reason they're doing this of course is cause Farage is looking

00:40:12.720 like he's going to do quite well. Um, apparently, uh, data that's come out has shown that, um,

00:40:18.920 Farage is likely to wing Clackton, which is great. It's the only constituency that ever returned

00:40:23.880 a UKIP MP. Uh, well, I, I don't think it's just that he's going to do well, right? I, I also

00:40:29.740 think it's the way the media talks about him, the way everyone is allowed to talk about

00:40:33.760 him, the way that he, he is misrepresented and also because there doesn't seem to be

00:40:41.080 like a, a penalty. So there are other people, um, who might have similar views to him that

00:40:48.360 might be surrounded with more rough and ready people. So they know that there's not going

00:40:52.820 to be, they know that they're not going to get punched back or that any, you know, that

00:40:57.120 girl chucking a milkshake, she didn't fear that there was going to be any kind of physical

00:41:01.260 retribution. Yeah, no, I totally agree. No, no, no, no. You're, you're totally right.

00:41:06.900 I mean, the, the, the, that is one of the main reasons that they feel emboldened to do

00:41:12.260 it. Um, and if they thought there was going to be any pushback, they wouldn't do it.

00:41:16.180 No. Um, but, uh, but yeah, it looks like, uh, Farage will win Clackton at the very least.

00:41:21.280 Uh, but there are other seats that are marginal that he might win. Who knows? I mean, he's had

00:41:25.920 a bump in the polls. So, uh, conservatives are down to 19 reformer up 17 in a recently

00:41:31.220 released poll. Um, but, uh, I, I personally just hope he wins. I just, no, get in there

00:41:36.900 Nigel and go give them some hell. They deserve it. You know, and the, the end of the Nigel

00:41:40.680 for our story should be at least that he becomes an MP. Yeah. It should be at least that.

00:41:44.980 Well, you know, the conservatives stopped being conservative a really long time ago and whether

00:41:49.060 or not, whether conservative is your bag. And I probably think conservative is my bag in my,

00:41:54.780 I, you know, now that I'm nearly 50, um, I, I certainly think it's mine, but it like

00:42:01.280 who are the conservative party? Well, they're now reform. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. And I thought

00:42:06.620 we'd end this off, uh, by just promoting Andrew Bridgen. Uh, so Andrew got kicked out of the

00:42:11.880 conservative party for saying what he thought was true about a very hot topic. I'm not going

00:42:17.260 to mention cause this will go on YouTube. Um, but he's standing as an independent in, uh,

00:42:22.000 I think it's Leicester East, sorry, Northwest Leicestershire even. Uh, and, uh, I messaged

00:42:27.380 him the other day saying, is there anything to do to help? And he was saying, well, I could

00:42:30.300 do with, uh, people coming on the ground and just help them post leaflets. So if you'd

00:42:34.140 like to help Andrew Bridgen get reelected in the face of the conservative party, kicking

00:42:38.080 him out, uh, go to abridgen.uk and you can get in contact as you can see there and just

00:42:44.340 get down there, get on the ground and actually do some campaigning for someone who has stood

00:42:48.600 by their principles and been punished for it. Um, anyway, we'll leave that there.

00:42:53.680 What principles? Well, I mean, I'm not going to ask the conservative party or the labor party

00:43:00.900 or the greens. I did something the other day cause I, I speak unfiltered all the time and

00:43:08.420 I go straight to YouTube. I don't have scripts. I don't plan what I'm going to say. I just

00:43:11.960 speak. Yeah. And, um, I'm not bad at it actually, but sometimes I say something and people are

00:43:17.400 a bit like, Oh, she's gone too far. But I think there is such an absence of people that

00:43:23.480 speak freely. Um, and I don't care about making a mistake. I really don't care at all. I'm

00:43:29.340 quite happy to say things that sometimes people don't like very much, but at least they know

00:43:33.500 that I'm saying things I actually believe. And I think we're getting to the point where

00:43:37.940 this sanitized kind of, um, soundbitey, everybody worried what people say all the time. I think

00:43:45.340 we're coming to the end of how much we like that. Yeah, I hope so. I really hope so. And

00:43:50.620 it looks, it, it, I, I've been saying that I think there's a change in the air, you know,

00:43:55.160 the, the politically correct consensus, I don't think can hold in the face of all of

00:44:00.680 the problems that we have. And the, the usual sort of magic incantations of saying you're

00:44:05.260 a racist, you're a transphobe, you're a sexist, you're a this, you're that. Everyone's like,

00:44:08.320 okay, I, I do still have these issues I want to talk about though.

00:44:11.480 Yeah. So we're, we're just going to push, push through it. Yeah. I'm just, you know,

00:44:15.180 I'm just tired and I don't care if that's what you think. That's your opinion. Yeah. But

00:44:19.500 I don't respect your opinion. So, you know. People who are transphobe and I'm like, oh,

00:44:22.700 okay then. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I'm a transphobe. Great. I could be. All right. The point is,

00:44:26.740 you know, and yeah, I'm, I'm just done with it. And if you're not a transphobe, you probably

00:44:31.940 haven't been listening to what's going on in the last few years, to be fair. You certainly

00:44:36.100 haven't been paying attention. No. And they should be paying attention because it is fetish

00:44:40.640 month. Yay. I get told this by, I wouldn't know actually, unless I was constantly bombarded

00:44:47.360 by the media. But I think that actually something this fetish month is different. Now we're not

00:44:52.920 going to put this on YouTube so I can say that it's fetish month. So otherwise YouTube may

00:44:56.620 have given us a whack for saying that. But, but I think because we're nearly a week into it

00:45:01.240 and I haven't really seen much of it. No. And so I think things aren't like they used

00:45:05.900 to be. You know, you probably remember this message from the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus.

00:45:11.980 I do. From a few years back now. I think we'll watch a bit.

00:45:16.240 You think we're sinful. You fight against our rights. You say we all lead lives. You can't

00:45:23.140 expect. But you're just frightened. You think that we'll corrupt your kids. If our agenda

00:45:32.940 goes unchecked. Funny. Just this once. You're correct. We'll convert your children. Happens

00:45:45.760 bit by bit. So we'll, we'll stop that there because I think we've got everything we need

00:45:50.320 to know from that chap. But that was the attitude they approached parental concerns with only

00:45:57.180 a few years ago. And there's a kind of arrogance behind this sort of thing. You wouldn't produce

00:46:03.900 this unless you genuinely felt, no, we've got major institutional backing. We have got

00:46:08.260 governments. Do you not think they're just joking? Do you not think that was just a big

00:46:11.740 fat kind of like. I'm sure they'd say, oh no, no, we are joking. We are joking. They have

00:46:16.440 actually come out and said, oh, well, it was just a joke. But there's something about

00:46:21.060 it. It's when you're joking about a real thing that's happening and you've been just either

00:46:26.520 obfuscating, deflecting or denying it to the point where it's, no, it's, it's a lie. You've

00:46:33.660 been doing this. You know, you've been doing this. And they go, wow. Yeah, we will. You

00:46:36.680 want, you're right this time. It's like, no, no, there's, there's a, there's a sort of sense

00:46:40.720 that underlies it that's malevolent. Yeah. Maybe it just wasn't clever enough. I mean,

00:46:46.240 maybe they should have just gone either a bit more extreme. So it was really overtly

00:46:50.260 hilarious. Yeah. Um, but I did look, I, but this is the sincere message. Like they can

00:46:56.080 say it in a jokey way, but that is what they want to do. Yeah. But when you say they, right,

00:47:01.680 cause I do think there is a LGBTQ activists. Well, I do think there is a something going on

00:47:08.260 and I think gay men are just about to be the next victim of it, to be quite honest,

00:47:12.360 because, um, they've now got vaginas in their saunas. So. Well, I don't, I'm not saying it's

00:47:17.540 gay people. What I'm saying is it's activists. So it's left-wing political activists. There

00:47:21.380 are lots of right-wing gay people who hate all of this stuff. Yeah. And so it's, it's not

00:47:26.520 about, and this is the entire problem with left-wing political activism is they seek to capture

00:47:32.480 the entire demographic and say, well, you're against this thing. And you fell into it there. I

00:47:36.060 did. I'm not saying it's gay people. I'm saying it's LGBTQ activists. And they absolutely do

00:47:41.820 think that because that's just the way that they are. Well, not even their much. Well,

00:47:45.060 yeah. Activists as in they don't even have, I mean, these days. Advocates of the ideology.

00:47:48.940 Yeah. You can just have a blue fringe and you're queer. Yeah. But people who are consciously

00:47:53.460 ideological, uh, and like these chaps are, uh, they 100%. And no, I, I don't, I'm not taking

00:48:01.860 any of this sort of, Oh, we were just at no, no, no, no, no. You're doing this and you

00:48:05.660 know, you're doing this and you think it's a good thing. And you thought back when this

00:48:09.540 was made, you had the whip hand in the situation, but things are changing because what's interesting

00:48:14.420 is the lack of pride that I've seen around. And so for me, this became most apparent when

00:48:20.460 lots of video game companies, like, you know, major video companies didn't change their

00:48:26.400 profile pictures. Wow. These, this is really weird because every year, Oh, now it's a rainbow.

00:48:31.720 Now it's a rainbow. Yeah. Everywhere. Isn't it? Yeah. And I mean, for, you know, Nintendo,

00:48:37.180 Bethesda, Xbox, PlayStation, Electronic Arts, massive names in the industry to not do it.

00:48:43.040 That's a signal. That's a warning. That's something that tells you about things. Yeah.

00:48:47.980 I mean, you are banned, aren't you? From some of these, um, I don't know what it is when you

00:48:52.780 play online cause I'm old and I'm a woman. Um, but there are, there are things that if

00:48:59.400 you moan about, uh, certain characters, I know there's like not a lot of binary characters,

00:49:05.460 a lot of the, a lot of the corporates are still doing it, aren't they? Apparently Star

00:49:09.100 Wars is the gayest yet. Yeah. They, they are still doing it. I'm not saying there's no woke

00:49:13.000 agenda in the industry. But it isn't quite so, uh, saturated. Yes. But the fact that they

00:49:18.800 wouldn't do that, cause I mean, you would think they don't lose anything from just changing

00:49:22.100 their profile picture. They've been doing it every single year. Yeah. So why wouldn't

00:49:24.760 they do it this year? And like you say, it's not that there's no, uh, wokeness in the industry.

00:49:28.860 For example, the next Call of Duty game has trans pride bullets in it. Well, I mean, that's

00:49:36.420 a little more truthful than they care to say. Well, that's the, that's the reason we're

00:49:40.100 not putting this on YouTube. Um, that's, that's a bit on the nose, isn't it? It's a bit,

00:49:45.000 you know, tin-eared. Okay. Maybe some mentally disturbed men will dress up in that flag and

00:49:54.420 shoot some people. Yeah. It's entirely possible that that'll be the case. In fact, that has

00:49:58.400 happened multiple times. Weird that you'd celebrate it in your game. So, um, yeah. But I think the

00:50:05.340 issue though is a lot of this is, is just becoming apparent. This is just fetishization. Yes. A lot

00:50:11.160 of this. And just, it's just, it's just so out in the open at this point. I mean, this

00:50:16.200 is, this is a great little video. I don't know if you've seen it, but we'll play it for

00:50:19.440 everyone because this is just superb, right? This, uh, this woman is just reading some

00:50:24.100 Reddit posts from transgender women, uh, about, uh, their experience and euphoria.

00:50:30.580 Welcome to Listen to Trans People, where we listen to trans people in their own words.

00:50:36.020 Euphoria Boner. When I use the women's bathroom, I get super excited because it's so affirming.

00:50:43.940 I tend to get euphoria boners under my skirt. I try to hide it, but sometimes other women

00:50:49.580 see it and it's embarrassing. Does anyone else experience this?

00:50:55.640 I got a euphoria boner in the women's washroom today. I usually use the women's bathroom because

00:51:01.400 I mostly pass. Well, today I got a euphoria boner. Doing girly things makes it happen

00:51:08.140 sometimes. I had to hide in the stall for over 20 minutes because it was a busy bathroom

00:51:14.100 in the subway. Any of you girls have this issue before?

00:51:21.020 This has been Listen to Trans People.

00:51:24.780 And boy, do I love it when they tell us the truth about what they're feeling.

00:51:27.480 I mean, I've known about, I've known about this for a long time. Yeah.

00:51:31.220 That they go in and, and what they will do sometimes in women's toilets, so they will,

00:51:34.860 they will deposit different bits of fluids all over toilet roll and the toilet seat so that they,

00:51:42.340 and then get excited that women are going to, going to come across it or inadvertently not

00:51:46.820 even know that they've come across it.

00:51:49.360 I tweeted something out about this the other day. It's like, it's a fetish.

00:51:52.320 It's just a fetish. It's all a fetish. I mean, look, I don't want to say that I've been

00:51:55.640 saying this for years, but I haven't been saying this for years. It is, of course,

00:51:59.060 it's a fetish. This idea of gender dysphoria is bullshit. Excuse my language. I don't know

00:52:04.820 if I'm allowed to swear on your channel. It's fine. Try not to, but.

00:52:07.820 The whole idea of gender dysphoria is a lie. I think the whole idea of affirmation is a lie.

00:52:14.640 The fact that anyone calls it affirming, it really does mean arousal. So it's all nonsense.

00:52:20.520 Obviously, women have totally different drivers. We know that because we're not,

00:52:24.280 we don't function the same sexually as men. But yeah, men, men who decide that they are women

00:52:30.940 are doing it for their excitement.

00:52:35.940 Yeah. And I would say there's a different impulse that women who are trying to become men have.

00:52:41.740 I mean, I always, I just, the example that always springs to my mind is Ellen Page.

00:52:47.460 Yes.

00:52:47.760 And I just think, was it really so bad to be an attractive woman or to become a really inadequate

00:52:55.500 man?

00:52:56.920 Well, she looks so happy. She looks so happy though.

00:52:59.460 I don't mean to laugh, but just hard.

00:53:00.500 She's trans joy all over her miserable face.

00:53:04.540 Yeah.

00:53:04.940 Like what? I mean, she was married. She was in a lesbian relationship. I wonder if being very

00:53:09.540 young, looking very youthful in Hollywood. And we know what Hollywood is like. I wonder

00:53:13.580 if there's some backstory of trauma which led her to transition.

00:53:15.980 I would be shocked if there wasn't.

00:53:17.580 Yeah.

00:53:18.020 And I think a lot of people in Hollywood have had some kind of trauma.

00:53:21.700 Yeah.

00:53:22.320 And this, this is the thing. I just, okay. So for women, I think it's to escape being

00:53:27.360 a woman and maybe abuse of men around them. And for men, it's just a sexual fetish. And

00:53:32.700 for young people who are confused, they are just confused.

00:53:36.200 Yeah.

00:53:36.920 And they shouldn't be taken advantage upon by adults with an ideological agenda.

00:53:41.760 Yeah.

00:53:42.080 Because I mean, this, I'm genuinely worried about it. Obviously, because I've got children

00:53:46.820 who are reaching that sort of age, where their body's changing, you don't know what's going

00:53:49.900 on, and then you've got, you know, people.

00:53:53.200 They wouldn't have come up with that on their own, right?

00:53:54.860 No, 100%.

00:53:55.560 Nobody would say, I'm really unhappy. Oh, I think I don't want my penis anymore.

00:54:00.260 Yeah.

00:54:00.480 I don't think anybody would come up with it.

00:54:01.200 I don't think I want my breasts anymore.

00:54:02.460 No.

00:54:02.800 It's like, no, you're mad.

00:54:04.120 Totally indoctrinated. And my advice would be, don't let your kids online until they're

00:54:10.540 as old as possible.

00:54:11.980 Yeah. That's 100%. You are definitely a conservative. But that's the correct way to do these things.

00:54:18.020 And the thing that drives me crazy, though, is, okay, let's assume there is a sort of tiny

00:54:22.540 marginal group of people who genuinely are not part of a social contagion, who are genuinely

00:54:27.740 not just fetishists. They actually have some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain, whatever

00:54:32.440 it is. They've got a mental health issue. Okay. Well, what you have when you have people

00:54:37.020 with mental health issues are people who need treatment, not affirmation.

00:54:40.880 Yeah.

00:54:41.260 As in, you don't therefore further try and drive them into whatever mental health problem

00:54:45.340 they have. You don't have a schizophrenic saying, look, I can see faces on the walls and

00:54:49.260 go, oh, are they smiling? No, you can't see faces on the walls. You've got a brain problem.

00:54:54.640 And that's the issue.

00:54:55.540 Well, look, I've been in this movement a really long time, this sort of anti-transitioning

00:55:01.920 kids and trying to protect women's spaces. And what we now have is we now have a group

00:55:08.700 of women who have put themselves forward as these spokespeople. And they're doing the compromising

00:55:16.100 stuff. And we're going to be ending up, you know, people are supposedly offering solutions,

00:55:21.120 are just offering loopholes again and we'll be in the same position. I think as, as parents,

00:55:28.140 I mean, in America, I wouldn't send my kids to state school at all. I mean, they're just

00:55:32.640 all Canada.

00:55:33.840 Well, that's why homeschooling is such a rage over.

00:55:36.240 Yeah. And I, and I would, and I, um, you know, I'm very lucky. I've known about this since

00:55:42.340 2015. So my oldest is 22, my youngest is 15. So I'm very lucky that I could prime my children

00:55:49.280 into this is happening. So we could have conversations about it long before some activist teacher

00:55:55.040 tried to, uh, to indoctrinate them into the cult.

00:55:58.100 I'm quite lucky. My kids are all very much the thing that they are. Um, my, my girls are

00:56:03.100 very obviously girls and act like girls. And my boys are very obviously boys. And I, I haven't,

00:56:08.320 I mean, I, I obviously encouraged, you know, you know, it's like, no son, you have to, don't

00:56:12.220 cry because you've got to be a man, you know? And I, I, my, my wife hates it when I do it.

00:56:15.560 I'm like, darling, you're not, you're not a boy. You don't get it. Right. No. It's about

00:56:18.840 the dignity of him. I bet your daughters don't cry that much either though. Um, I mean, I

00:56:23.060 don't, I don't cry. Not that much, but like, I mean, my youngest is one, so she might cry.

00:56:27.160 Oh yeah, she might. Yeah. Um, but the, but you know, I don't, I don't have the same rules

00:56:32.160 for them as I do for my sons. Right. You know, what's really interesting is my three-year-old

00:56:36.240 got stung on the finger by a bee the other day. And I was like, okay, you know, he'll cry

00:56:40.020 for that. And he was just like, ouch. And I was like, he's not even, I'd cry if I got

00:56:44.200 bloody stung by a bee. I've never been stung by a bee actually. I don't know how painful

00:56:47.020 it is. But at three years old and he was just like, huh, that was an interesting thing.

00:56:50.940 Uh, I was quite surprised. But anyway, so, uh, a lot of the, uh, well, 11 of the NFL teams

00:56:57.240 didn't change their, um, things. And this, again, this is, this is a big inflection point

00:57:04.380 actually, where it's like, well, what happens if you don't do it? Well, not much actually.

00:57:09.620 If you do do it, there's a lot of pushback. Yeah. I mean, they're still doing the fetish

00:57:14.260 marches, obviously, which is, I mean, this is, this is London. And what I find funny about

00:57:19.840 this is that, uh, this is London, uh, only a few weeks ago. Um, and not even a few weeks

00:57:24.640 ago, like a week ago. Um, it looks odd. Yeah. But the, the, the funny thing I think about

00:57:31.840 this is the weather's not been great recently. It's actually been a bit nippy. So, uh, have

00:57:36.280 fun, you know, must be cold. But that pup thing, isn't it? It's disgusting. And it's

00:57:40.860 obviously just a fetish. It's disgusting. It wouldn't have been the case if you hadn't

00:57:44.200 spent all your time on the internet. You're gross. Yes. Yeah. Just go and have sex at

00:57:49.340 home. Go and do whatever you need at home. Everyone's really happy for you. Get your

00:57:53.940 rocks off. Have a joyous life. It's a public fetish. That's the problem. Well, yeah, you

00:57:58.720 want to make people uncomfortable and shocked. And it's not just that they want to involve you

00:58:02.900 in their fetish. Yes. Part of their fetish is your reaction to it. Yes. Which I'm, and

00:58:07.580 I don't, I don't consent to this. I don't agree. No, I'm not having it. It's disgusting.

00:58:11.600 Um, and that's the problem. But, um, but yeah, lots of companies have been pulling back

00:58:15.680 on this. And again, these are major companies in America. You've got a Bud Light after last

00:58:20.160 year being like, oh, we're going to be Dylan Mulvaney, the big star of our thing. Well, not

00:58:24.720 this year. Uh, Bud Light are actually like, it's just shut up. Yeah. What's happened to

00:58:29.680 that stunning woman? I haven't seen a lot of Dylan Mulvaney for quite some time. Uh,

00:58:34.800 probably still doing a TikTok actually. Yeah, you're right. There's a lot of girls my daughter's

00:58:39.160 age. She's 17. They're really like, oh, she's so sweet about Dylan Mulvaney. It's very weird.

00:58:45.160 It's women driving a lot of the support of these. Yeah. Yeah. No. Uh, misfits. It's

00:58:50.600 insufferable. Like honestly, like white women, they've just got to stop. I watched something

00:58:57.800 the other day where this woman was like, I don't, I'm okay. You know, I'm so secure in

00:59:02.500 my womanhood that I don't mind trans women in there. And I just thought, well, that's

00:59:06.840 you. Yeah. Like, okay, great. Good for you. Most women don't feel like that. And you're

00:59:11.580 a bloody liar anyway, but most women don't feel like that. So don't advocate to give away

00:59:16.820 my rights because I don't consent to that. Yeah. Yeah. Some six foot six guys in the bathroom

00:59:20.640 with you and he's got a huge boner. You're going to be like, okay, how skilled do I feel

00:59:23.620 actually? Well, I'd like, what I'd like to see those women do is be walking home later

00:59:27.760 at night and hearing the footsteps and turning behind and seeing me or a six foot six woman

00:59:34.660 called a bloke called Kelly in a dress and see who she fears the most. Yeah. Yeah. Which

00:59:40.420 one do you run from? Yeah. Um, uh, target, which is, uh, just a big shop, uh, sort of

00:59:45.800 supermarket. It's a place where you can get your, um, people taking your photo. Well, no,

00:59:50.900 you can also, you can go to the changing rooms to get men taking your photo under there.

00:59:54.420 Cause it's your unisex target. I didn't know that. Yeah. Um, but, uh, they've, uh, they

01:00:00.320 haven't changed their logos. They're scaling back on the pride match. They haven't posted

01:00:03.940 about pride on any of the social media accounts. Uh, the North face, which had summer of pride

01:00:09.420 last year in partnership with drag queen, uh, made no announcement this year and doesn't

01:00:14.420 appear to release a pride collection. The U S Navy, which has gone bonkers on this, uh, last

01:00:20.740 year again, had all of this sort of stuff and has not done it again this year. And so I think what

01:00:26.340 it is, is they're noticing that, uh, uh, support has been going down, uh, not just the Navy. Uh,

01:00:32.580 the, the activists themselves are noticing that the support's going down like, uh, this, uh,

01:00:37.460 particular article written by, uh, fat Tony for standard.co.uk. Amazing. Uh, says it feels like

01:00:44.580 the support around pride month has been dying for the past few years since the pandemic. There aren't,

01:00:48.660 there just aren't as many major budget, uh, major budgets to put on great campaigns.

01:00:53.340 A lot of corporations are just adding pride flags to their socials or not even, uh, or

01:00:57.540 popping them in windows and their job is done. On top of this, with all the fear mongering

01:01:00.900 being spewed, we're in a time where some companies are scared of being singled out.

01:01:06.160 Superb. Yeah. Amazing. Good. I hope they remain frightened. Absolutely. I want the Bud Light

01:01:12.380 executives to be like, we don't dare do that again. No. We saw it the last time. Are you mad?

01:01:16.520 You know, I don't want any moral guidance from, uh, a beer company to be honest. I don't want

01:01:21.160 anything like, I don't, they'd be afraid. Yeah. I don't want, I look, I'm happy for them

01:01:25.640 not to celebrate women's history month, international women's day, black history, uh,

01:01:29.720 like all of it. No, don't do that. I don't want to see another train company with pride flags,

01:01:35.560 like all over the trains while people with disabilities can't get on a train. So no,

01:01:41.160 if you want to do inclusion, let's make sure that that public transport is accessible. I mean,

01:01:46.520 genuinely to people that otherwise cannot accept it, like get on it. Um, but no, no more. No,

01:01:52.440 that's great. Yeah. I think it's fantastic. I want them to be living in fear of putting a

01:01:56.200 political step wrong. So they just, just sell me the beer, just sell me the beer. I don't, I don't.

01:02:01.000 I won't even milkshake an executive. Yeah. Even if they do put a pride flag up.

01:02:05.480 I wouldn't even milkshake an executive. Oh, sorry. That's far too close to, we can't get

01:02:11.400 into that. Jesus Christ. Look, it's been many years since I've done nothing wrong. Okay.

01:02:17.560 I'm just saying. Oh my God. But the point is everyone can feel the change in the air,

01:02:21.480 right? And, uh, and there's been just public, uh, public resistance to this.

01:02:25.960 I know. I love this person. Yeah, me too. I just, um, I hate these crosswalks. I hate this.

01:02:32.680 It's the same as if it was a Nazi flag on the floor. I'm just like, no, no, not a conservative

01:02:36.760 flag, not a labor flag, not a pride flag, not a Nazi flag, not a communist flag. Yeah.

01:02:40.360 Why are you doing this? This is not a universally accepted thing. How dare you?

01:02:44.440 I walked up some stairs today at Watershed in Bristol and I went up to their cafe to meet somebody

01:02:49.640 and it's just got the whole progress pride thing. I just like, oh, go away.

01:02:55.080 Yeah. I hate it. And so in America, at least you're seeing a lot of pushback where it's people

01:02:59.240 are just, you know, doing donuts on, uh, the pride thing. It's like, no, screw this. Absolutely

01:03:04.040 screw this. It's quite impressive as well in automatic cars. Yeah. But just wide, widespread,

01:03:11.000 like ground level revolt, you know, the, the, the, the Bud Light stuff, this sort of stuff,

01:03:15.560 the companies like hang on a second, actually we've pissed off far too many people.

01:03:18.760 Did you see them crying? There was a, there was a video of some, there was, um,

01:03:22.680 I did not see anyone crying. So one of the places like this. Yeah. And then there was a,

01:03:26.600 the mayor or something crying about this, about that sort of fat, terrible vandalism. Oh,

01:03:34.280 no. Like a grown man crying about it. You'd love to see it. Yeah. So, and this,

01:03:41.160 this isn't just something remote and far away. This also happens in our little corner of the world

01:03:46.440 in Wiltshire, uh, in, uh, Ludgershall, Ludgershall. I've never been heard of this place. Where is

01:03:52.520 this? I don't know. Apparently it's a, must be like the other side, that, like that way of Swindon.

01:03:58.200 Yeah. Ludgershall. Uh, but Wiltshire police are investigating the incident because a pride flag

01:04:04.760 was cut down on Monday and the officers said a male suspect has been seen using ladders from a

01:04:10.600 nearby work man to access. And the council really wanted to show that they were a progressive council and a

01:04:15.880 progressive town, but it seems that we have a way to go. Says one spokesman. Nothing says war

01:04:21.080 memorial flag, like a pride flag. What a great place to stick it. Yes. But we've, um, there's a,

01:04:27.000 there's a village near me called calm, which is like near Chippenham. Yeah. And that's having a pride

01:04:33.480 event. Um, and then on my local spotted page yesterday, I don't really go on Facebook that much,

01:04:38.840 but they've got a, I'm looking for a, um, a drag queen to read to some children. I was like,

01:04:45.400 are you? Why? Don't do that. I need, I need to expose my children to a pervert, please.

01:04:51.640 I so. Why do you need to do that? I, and someone says, oh, drag is art. I'm like,

01:04:55.800 oh, stop it. There's, there's nothing remotely artistic about a man in a bad wig miming to some

01:05:02.040 songs. Like I've never got it anyway. But if I did want to go and see drag, I could pay my money to an

01:05:08.760 adult venue and I could go and do it. And that is a market led sort of economy. Do people want to go

01:05:15.880 and see it? Yeah. Some people do. And I, it's, it's no, it's no skin off mine. I think it's

01:05:20.280 horrible, but if you want to go and see it, go for your life, have a great night,

01:05:23.880 but not with kids. Thanks very much. Yeah. Yeah. Um, anyway, right. So thank God there's, uh,

01:05:30.040 open resistance to all of this nonsense and hopefully next year it's even less intrusive

01:05:35.000 in our daily life until eventually it falls away entirely. Uh, but anyway, like I said,

01:05:39.560 we've got to prerecord this one. So obviously we've got no comments or anything. So, uh,

01:05:42.600 Kelly, where can people find you if they want to see more of you?

01:05:45.160 So many places. So I'm Kelly J. Keene on YouTube. I'm the Posey Parker or Kelly J. Keene on Twitter.

01:05:52.440 Uh, partyofwomen.org and letwomenspeak.org are my two websites, uh, party and activist.

01:05:59.080 Oh, well, thank you so much for coming down. Thanks so much.

01:06:02.200 Real pleasure. And, uh, we'll see you on Monday folks. Have a good weekend.

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