The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #939

00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to Podcast of the Lotus Eaters for this Tuesday, the 18th of June.

00:00:13.200 I am joined by Beau.

00:00:14.560 Hello.

00:00:15.020 And our very special guest, Catherine Blakelock, founder of the Brexit Party.

00:00:19.680 Thank you.

00:00:20.080 Thank you for coming on.

00:00:20.940 Thank you very much.

00:00:21.940 So we've got a couple of things to talk about today.

00:00:24.280 Rumours about the impending death of the petrodollar.

00:00:27.460 We've got the Reform UK manifesto.

00:00:30.740 And then we've got, well, what would we do?

00:00:32.760 What would we do if we were writing a manifesto?

00:00:35.420 So that should be good.

00:00:37.220 Also, because on account of the fact that it's me and Beau doing the notes, this is the shortest set of podcast notes I've ever seen.

00:00:44.700 But hopefully we'd be all right.

00:00:47.080 So, yeah.

00:00:48.040 Sleek peek behind the scenes.

00:00:48.840 Some people write pages and pages and pages of notes.

00:00:51.200 Yes.

00:00:51.720 And others just have.

00:00:52.980 And you and I just do jotting.

00:00:54.340 Yeah.

00:00:54.740 I just have a few ideas and we'll just go off of that.

00:00:58.400 All right.

00:00:59.060 So, yes.

00:01:00.180 The impending death of the petrodollar.

00:01:02.960 I got asked about this quite a lot last week because for whatever reason it started trending.

00:01:09.120 I think the rumour went out that the 50-year petrodollar agreement had come to an end.

00:01:14.140 So I had loads of people asking me to comment on that.

00:01:17.280 So I'll quickly cover it.

00:01:18.820 I don't think it deserves a huge amount of time on this one.

00:01:22.160 You say rumour.

00:01:22.900 Did it not happen?

00:01:23.700 Well, not exactly no.

00:01:25.360 So I think where it came from is it is the case that in June 1974 the petrodollar agreement was reached.

00:01:32.820 Right.

00:01:33.500 But it was kind of open-ended.

00:01:36.520 And it didn't have a sort of 50-year timescale on it.

00:01:39.900 And it wasn't quite as ironclad as a lot of people have made out.

00:01:44.020 So, I mean, it has been the case that Saudi can sell oil in other currencies.

00:01:48.440 They've just generally chosen not to.

00:01:51.780 And they've largely stuck with the dollar system because the dollar has that sort of depth of liquidity.

00:01:56.440 And also, if it takes in, you know, 30 billion of rupees or whatever, you know, what are you going to do with them?

00:02:02.760 Right.

00:02:02.920 You know, there's only so much spice you can buy.

00:02:06.880 So they tended to go with dollar because the dollar had that sort of depth of it.

00:02:11.780 But it's not actually as such over.

00:02:15.540 But the story is directionally true, even if it isn't literally true.

00:02:21.600 So I do think the dollar system is waning, even if it's not this sort of hard cut off that we've sort of seen.

00:02:28.460 And actually, and this is the point you made to me, Catherine, just before we came on, is it's not so much what it is transacted in that really matters.

00:02:38.720 It's how it's stored.

00:02:40.700 Well, it's your ability to transact is the first point.

00:02:44.520 Well, yes.

00:02:45.020 I.e., if you don't have a bank account, then you have a problem transacting, as Iran does. 1.00

00:02:51.160 So, yes, step back in all these issues, including Bitcoin, the issue is where the the transaction meets the real world, i.e., where you take the money out of to transact it, to put it into Bitcoin.

00:03:10.360 And when you take it back out of Bitcoin, where it goes, that's the issue.

00:03:15.760 The bank accounts, the cards.

00:03:18.540 Well, of course, Russia was thrown off swift.

00:03:19.780 I mean, that's the sort of thing you're referring to in Iran, doesn't have access.

00:03:22.760 And many individuals don't have bank accounts or can't get bank accounts.

00:03:28.500 And PayPal is the same.

00:03:30.380 So we've seen it in this country.

00:03:32.100 But this is the issue that, you know, the the draconian banking issue with the idea that they're private banks and they can do whatever they want to whatever country they want.

00:03:44.900 It's kind of become a mechanism of sort of global control, the banking system.

00:03:48.160 I mean, it's kind of like the third major arm of government, the intelligence services, the governments and the banks.

00:03:53.900 And that's before we talk about digital currencies.

00:03:56.780 Yes.

00:03:57.200 Yes.

00:03:57.800 Yes.

00:03:58.100 Which might which might come up in the reform manifesto.

00:04:00.160 But the real issue is you there have already been transactions.

00:04:05.080 Venezuela was transacting oil for food.

00:04:09.260 Zimbabwe, I think other places, a lot of places have done transactions.

00:04:13.480 So India would not, as you did in your example, give them, you know, 50 billion rupees.

00:04:18.140 It would have a deal to provide, you know, rice or grain or.

00:04:22.520 Yeah.

00:04:22.960 Even remittances.

00:04:25.240 Yes.

00:04:25.520 I mean, I mean, the vast bulk of transactions have occurred in dollars historically.

00:04:29.900 Yeah.

00:04:30.200 But it's not quite as hard and fast as some of the people sort of talking about on this stuff.

00:04:35.020 So a very quick recap on the petrodollar, just to sort of bring everyone up to speed on this.

00:04:38.900 So I might miss one or two details here, but this is this is broadly true.

00:04:44.000 So there was a war and after the war, the U.S. basically had most of the gold.

00:04:50.220 I think it had 75 percent of the gold reserves.

00:04:53.000 And somebody, I suspect an American, thought it would be a really good idea to hang on to that gold.

00:04:59.580 So they said.

00:05:00.380 Unlike Gordon Brown.

00:05:01.740 Yes.

00:05:02.340 Yes.

00:05:02.580 Unlike Gordon Brown.

00:05:03.480 So they said, I tell you what, why don't we have this clever Bretton Woods system where these pieces of paper are as good as gold.

00:05:10.400 And somehow they convinced people that that was indeed the case.

00:05:14.880 So that worked for a long time.

00:05:17.100 And basically the rest of the world said to America, OK, but you're not going to cheat on this, are you?

00:05:20.760 And America said, no, we are definitely not going to cheat.

00:05:23.980 These pieces of paper are definitely as good as gold.

00:05:26.940 And then they cheated.

00:05:28.680 So basically by the by the 60s, it was increasingly obvious that the U.S. was spending more than they could actually justify for their own gold reserves.

00:05:38.800 So by 1970, the French were like, don't trust this. 1.00

00:05:44.720 Let's have our gold back.

00:05:46.260 And it sort of precipitated a crisis period where Nixon had to sort of break the connection between gold and the dollar.

00:05:52.080 And the dollar came truly just bits of paper.

00:05:55.500 Now, at that point, early 70s, the dollar system was floundering.

00:05:59.940 It didn't really have a hard connection to anything.

00:06:02.660 So what they did is they thought, well, OK, we can link it to something tangible like oil.

00:06:06.840 That will work.

00:06:07.500 We've got a big military.

00:06:08.960 Those Saudi people over there, they've got lots of oil.

00:06:11.560 So why don't we do a deal with the House of Saud where we say, if you agree to price everything in or pretty much everything in dollars and then take the dollars that you earn from that and put them in U.S. treasuries, 0.69

00:06:23.400 then we will supply you with all the tanks and airplanes that you need so that you, the House of Saud, stay in control. 0.99

00:06:28.900 And that system pretty much worked for a long time.

00:06:31.780 In fact, we've got a little diagram here of broadly the system.

00:06:36.680 So for those listening at home, I'll try and describe it.

00:06:41.420 But essentially, you've got the U.S. running a very large trade deficit with other developed nations that have a trade surplus and they can basically send out bits of paper.

00:06:50.240 So bonds and they get actual stuff shipped back again, meaning the U.S. can live beyond its means and have a larger military than it otherwise would.

00:06:59.860 Can I stop you there?

00:07:00.860 Absolutely.

00:07:02.020 There's an important distinction to make between a trade deficit and an internal deficit.

00:07:08.780 OK.

00:07:09.020 For example, Japan has one of the biggest internal deficits to GDP, but it has overseas asset surpluses.

00:07:22.240 Quite a lot, in fact.

00:07:23.480 Lots.

00:07:25.360 There's a big distinction because it means, Britain, of course, has a terrible situation in both, obviously.

00:07:31.540 But it means that Japan, in a hurry, can repatriate assets, can repatriate money.

00:07:39.840 So its deficit, you can argue, doesn't really matter because its deficit is just printed internally.

00:07:48.820 It's a distribution issue internally.

00:07:51.940 So supposing we had a closed world, a closed country, and we start having a deficit, we're distributing the chips around.

00:08:01.500 Some people are going to win and some people are going to lose.

00:08:04.640 People who don't have, you know, you lower interest rates, pensioners don't get much on their savings, etc.

00:08:09.600 But it doesn't actually affect your currency.

00:08:12.720 And there is really quite an important point between these two.

00:08:15.220 And people never really make this point.

00:08:17.040 They just talk about deficits.

00:08:18.160 Yes, all worthwhile points, but might skim through just for the purposes.

00:08:27.040 But no, you are absolutely right.

00:08:29.280 And Japan is an increased case.

00:08:30.780 And most of Asia.

00:08:32.040 So Asia is running big overseas services.

00:08:36.640 Well, of course, they had their crisis back in 98.

00:08:39.460 And they largely got their house in order with a lot of this stuff,

00:08:42.060 where they sort of divested themselves of this untenable position that they were in,

00:08:45.800 which looks like it may now be coming to the West.

00:08:48.240 That sort of, that start in the periphery and move to the centre type financial crisis could be on the verge of going somewhere here.

00:08:54.820 I think the more interesting one is Japan rather than the Asian crisis.

00:09:00.220 The Asian crisis only affected a very small number of countries.

00:09:04.740 Thailand and Indonesia and Malaysia did not affect all of Asia.

00:09:08.460 So it was a very specific, had very specific reasons in those countries, which was over lending by banks.

00:09:16.320 Japan, of course, had its crisis in 19, in early 90s, much, much earlier.

00:09:21.960 And the issue for me about why Japan had its crisis in the 90s, and we are starting to see the crisis now, is about demographics.

00:09:32.520 It's not about demographics. It's not about this. It's about when the baby boomers start to retire, 208, that's when the crisis starts to hit.

00:09:44.940 And Japan has the oldest age demographic.

00:09:47.140 Well, yeah, because they have basically the same issue, but it's moved back about 15 years.

00:09:52.660 So their demographic collapse basically just happened earlier.

00:09:57.500 So you're seeing the same trends.

00:09:59.160 Well, and they didn't prop it up with immigration, but I would still argue, we'll go on to this, that Japan is doing a jolly site better socially, culturally, without its immigration. 0.99

00:10:09.260 But, yeah, it's a good point, though. I'd rather have that problem.

00:10:11.700 I'd rather have, oh, no, we haven't got enough immigrants than the situation that we are in. 1.00

00:10:16.880 Yeah, I mean, you can get a house for free in Japan.

00:10:20.540 That'd be good, wouldn't it?

00:10:21.260 Well, there's lots in the country, but we've got plenty of places.

00:10:24.660 Anyway, we're diverting.

00:10:25.440 The thing I was interested in, if you're talking about the petrodollar, is specifically Saudi Arabia, because I happen to be very, very interested in Richard Nixon, one of the earliest series I did on my own channel, History Bro, check it out, like and subscribe.

00:10:39.460 I've read quite a few books about Nixon, fascinated by Nixon and the Nixon era of the Vietnam War and coming off the gold standard.

00:10:46.760 And, of course, there was an oil crisis.

00:10:47.880 I'm too young to remember it myself.

00:10:50.120 It was before my time.

00:10:51.560 But the gold standard thing and OPEC and coming off the oil-producing countries, in a way, holding America to ransom, in a sense, that's maybe a bit strong.

00:11:03.320 But, anyway, it's all wrapped up.

00:11:04.540 There's much more than just Nixon deciding, oh, it's probably best if we come off the gold standard.

00:11:08.160 It didn't just wake up one morning and think, I think that's for the best.

00:11:10.960 Let's do that.

00:11:11.680 Well, he doesn't really have much choice.

00:11:13.040 Big story, right.

00:11:13.800 Yes.

00:11:14.200 He felt, we've probably corrected him, we'd have much choice.

00:11:16.580 We've been painted into a corner in all sorts of economic senses.

00:11:19.940 But, well, I don't know if you know about this, but I don't.

00:11:22.640 I'm genuinely asking.

00:11:24.040 Because there's Aramco, isn't there?

00:11:25.820 That's the Saudi. 1.00

00:11:26.400 Aramco, yeah, yeah.

00:11:27.040 Yeah.

00:11:27.560 So, you talk about bank accounts and sort of the actual movement of monies.

00:11:32.980 I wonder, I really don't know the answer.

00:11:34.760 I wonder, you know, the exact relationship between Aramco and the actual royal house of Al Saud.

00:11:43.040 Their actual relationship.

00:11:44.720 Oh, I don't know.

00:11:45.500 I don't know at that level of personnel.

00:11:46.920 Like, whose bank accounts are whose and how it really all works.

00:11:50.220 I don't know.

00:11:50.680 I'm not sure if many people outside of special analysts know.

00:11:52.120 I mean, there is another interesting thing which I didn't bring into this segment because

00:11:54.960 I thought I'd just skim through it quickly.

00:11:56.660 Sorry.

00:11:57.440 The Rothschilds have been making moves in Saudi recently.

00:12:03.080 And that's probably, yeah, that's probably, I think, a bigger story than all of this kind

00:12:07.160 of stuff, actually.

00:12:08.260 And it kind of lines up, yeah, but I can't remember which of the Rothschilds, but was it Nathan

00:12:12.220 or something.

00:12:12.800 But anyway, he's been spending a lot of time in Saudi Arabia lately.

00:12:16.720 And so, I mean, it goes to your point about the sort of connection to the wider financial

00:12:19.980 system.

00:12:20.860 It's like, okay, what are they lining up there?

00:12:23.500 Something is coming down the track.

00:12:25.420 But just to carry on with this.

00:12:26.680 But the issue you've got, of course, is if you've got a system where the dollar is predominant

00:12:33.200 in the world and transactions are chiefly priced in the dollar and therefore you've got a load

00:12:39.360 of dollars, what do you do with it?

00:12:40.440 Will you stick it into US treasuries and US stock market and so on?

00:12:44.260 That all works very well all the time.

00:12:46.380 Everybody trusts the dollar is a reliable store of value.

00:12:49.760 No, I would argue it's a different trust on looking at that.

00:12:55.140 You see frozen Russian assets.

00:12:56.840 Yes.

00:12:57.240 This is not just...

00:12:58.520 What aspect of your trust are you picking up on there?

00:13:00.540 That you get your assets frozen.

00:13:02.620 Oh, yes.

00:13:02.940 This is far worse than having a bit of deflation or the currency going down a little bit.

00:13:09.340 This is 100% of your assets.

00:13:11.680 This is the most important point.

00:13:13.520 Yeah, and it was shocking to me when they did this, actually.

00:13:18.440 When they did it.

00:13:19.240 And they can do it to anybody.

00:13:20.640 But I'll tell you, the only smart thing the Americans did when they froze the Russian assets

00:13:24.420 is they got the EU to do it as well.

00:13:28.660 So that there wasn't that rotation into the euro.

00:13:31.700 Both of them suffered.

00:13:33.620 And if you take out the US and the euro, there wasn't really a sort of third party transaction.

00:13:38.640 I mean, yeah, OK, maybe there's yen and maybe the reninbi or something.

00:13:42.640 But it was smart of them to do it to push the EU into doing this as well.

00:13:47.200 But, yeah, so, I mean, this is my sort of key point, is that trust in the system.

00:13:51.840 Because, basically, Russia's too big to sanction.

00:13:56.900 And especially when they're allied with China.

00:13:59.260 It's like, OK, you're going to sanction the majority of the world's commodities, oil.

00:14:05.320 Oh, because Venezuela, that's sanctioned as well.

00:14:07.620 So, I mean, you take that whole block, it's no longer the West sanctioning these places.

00:14:15.820 It's the West cutting themselves off from these places.

00:14:18.600 It's funny because Russia and China, but particularly Russia, is incredibly resource rich.

00:14:25.240 Obviously, I'm stating the obvious.

00:14:26.400 Everyone knows that.

00:14:27.340 But incredibly resource rich.

00:14:28.720 So it's not like Venezuela.

00:14:29.960 It's not like Germany. 0.91

00:14:31.140 No, Venezuela is oil rich.

00:14:33.140 Well, oil rich, but no, Russia's got everything, right? 0.81

00:14:36.160 Everything.

00:14:36.660 Rare metals, rare earth metals, everything.

00:14:38.220 I don't think Venezuela's got everything it could possibly be.

00:14:40.880 It's not like a, Russia's like, there's nothing Russia wants for. 0.82

00:14:45.360 No, it has a ridiculous amount of commodities. 0.98

00:14:49.020 Ridiculous amount. 0.92

00:14:49.960 Right. 0.83

00:14:50.180 So it's more like, exactly as you say, it's more like we're cutting ourselves off from them

00:14:53.880 rather than we're cutting them out.

00:14:55.620 Yeah.

00:14:56.380 Yeah, it's too big to sanction.

00:14:58.220 You're supposed to have taken that.

00:14:59.380 Yeah.

00:14:59.760 And what this kind of is leading to is, I mean, I speak this one particular story, but I mean,

00:15:05.380 there are thousands like this.

00:15:07.160 Central banks are saying, maybe not so much to the dollar.

00:15:10.960 Maybe we're going to have a little bit more gold.

00:15:13.480 And not only that, but they're moving it back again.

00:15:15.700 So gold is one of those funny things.

00:15:17.260 For years, it was heavily concentrated in just a couple of places, New York and London.

00:15:22.160 And the reason they did that is because you want that sort of surety that it hasn't been

00:15:26.140 tampered with.

00:15:26.680 So you want just a couple of very high trust locations where the whole world believes,

00:15:31.540 OK, these people are not going to drill into them and put titanium into them or do any other

00:15:34.700 sort of funny stuff.

00:15:35.620 So it was focused around a couple of locations for a long time.

00:15:38.680 And not only are central banks buying more gold, they're sort of moving it to their own

00:15:44.200 custody as well.

00:15:45.040 Well, there's another issue about gold, especially for individuals, which is that most people,

00:15:50.940 many people do not buy physical gold.

00:15:53.340 They buy an ETF or they buy a future.

00:15:57.040 Yeah.

00:15:57.360 And there's certainly been issues in the silver market about whether there really is enough

00:16:01.600 silver to back these transactions because it's never really been tested.

00:16:06.400 Yeah, very questionable.

00:16:07.120 And of course, again, that's another issue of trust.

00:16:09.940 Yes, yes, quite.

00:16:10.720 I'm going to do a quick one minute conspiracy theory corner.

00:16:13.920 The idea that nobody's, I don't know if this is true, but the idea that no one's checked

00:16:19.360 in Fort Knox for years and years and years to see if the bullion's actually still there.

00:16:22.700 I looked into that once, yeah.

00:16:24.120 So the last time.

00:16:25.040 It might not be true.

00:16:25.620 It might be like, no, they did it in like 2015.

00:16:27.720 No, no, no.

00:16:28.080 A bunch of senators got taken around in, I think, 74.

00:16:32.380 And that was the last time.

00:16:33.880 Is that definitely true?

00:16:34.720 Because if that's definitely true, that is worrying, isn't it?

00:16:38.200 But what's the problem?

00:16:39.240 Just show us the bullion.

00:16:40.180 What's the problem, guys?

00:16:41.560 Yeah.

00:16:41.840 Just let's have a quick look.

00:16:43.160 Anyway.

00:16:43.560 And no president for a very long time has toured Fort Knox either.

00:16:47.740 So it's like super suspect something is going on there.

00:16:51.560 And I think they've got another repository that's even bigger or supposed to be even bigger than

00:16:54.720 Fort Knox.

00:16:55.180 I can't remember its name, but somewhere else.

00:16:56.680 And again, the same thing.

00:16:57.720 No one's actually seen.

00:16:58.920 Well, if you're going into conspiracy theories, I'd also say that I think the US is not only

00:17:03.380 underreporting its gold.

00:17:04.300 I think China is dramatically underreporting how much gold it's got.

00:17:07.920 Because you can see how much is moving through the Shanghai exchange at any one time.

00:17:11.940 And a lot of it's going to China.

00:17:13.440 I know, yes, Chinese individuals do buy gold, but the volumes moving through and heading

00:17:18.200 into China suggest that the Chinese reserves are significantly higher.

00:17:22.700 And they might be waiting for the right-

00:17:24.260 Significantly higher or lower?

00:17:25.280 Oh, a lot higher.

00:17:26.620 Yeah.

00:17:26.740 Right.

00:17:26.980 Okay.

00:17:27.280 So I'm sure whatever it is they claim that they've got, it's like 4,000.

00:17:31.940 I'm sure it's like five times that or something.

00:17:33.640 And they might be waiting for a moment of maximum dollar weakness to step in and say,

00:17:38.020 oh, by the way, our currency is backed, whatever, 20% by gold or something.

00:17:42.260 I don't know what they're going to do.

00:17:43.220 But there is definitely something going up with gold there.

00:17:46.460 Now, so I'll just close this off by saying, even though it is not literally the case that

00:17:51.640 the dollar system has ended, despite what you've seen on Twitter and social media, the

00:17:55.140 petrodollar, petrodollar has ended, as you might have seen over the past week or so, even

00:17:59.400 though it's not literally true, it is directionally true.

00:18:01.880 And the reason I say that is because ultimately, no matter what set of rules you have, it comes

00:18:08.260 down to people who empower, who enforce or don't enforce those.

00:18:12.860 And what you're seeing is that basically the people in the world are losing respect for

00:18:19.800 the US system. 0.88

00:18:21.000 So for those of you listening at home, I'm showing the ridiculous picture of Joe Biden 0.58

00:18:26.360 fist bumping MBS, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. 0.86

00:18:31.160 Now, Biden, he, while he was running for his nomination, he called MBS monstrosity.

00:18:38.500 He said he wanted to destroy him.

00:18:41.440 He made all sorts of inflammatory statements saying he's beyond the pale and all the rest

00:18:46.200 of it.

00:18:46.920 And then he gets elected and he has to meet him, but he refuses to shake his hand.

00:18:50.100 So he decides to do a fist bump instead.

00:18:52.620 Well, no one's allowed to touch the crown prince.

00:18:55.020 You're not supposed to even fist bump him.

00:18:57.020 Well, funny you should say that.

00:18:58.340 Let's look how another world leader is met.

00:19:03.860 Oh, hang on.

00:19:04.500 Where's my...

00:19:04.960 I saw a clip of Trump walking past him and slapping him on the shoulder.

00:19:07.800 Yeah.

00:19:07.980 Have you seen...

00:19:08.340 That's another one.

00:19:09.040 So, I mean, just look at the difference in the body length between the absurd...

00:19:13.180 Oh.

00:19:14.060 There we go.

00:19:16.120 They did shake hands.

00:19:17.260 That was a bit quick.

00:19:17.820 There we go.

00:19:18.480 But anyway, it's...

00:19:19.260 And you see the same thing with...

00:19:21.300 When Z goes to meet him, it is a warm personal relationship, whereas, you know, Biden has failed

00:19:29.380 on many fronts.

00:19:30.640 So, yeah.

00:19:31.980 It's...

00:19:32.580 Don't worry.

00:19:33.020 It is a little bit overstated, the petrodollar story, but it is directionally true nevertheless.

00:19:37.500 Well, I'll say with Biden or the Biden administration and Saudi, if you take, for example, the relationship

00:19:43.820 that the Bush family, George Bush Jr. had with the Saudis, it's extremely, extremely close.

00:19:50.060 Yes.

00:19:50.200 Extremely close.

00:19:50.720 They're genuinely friends and stuff.

00:19:52.720 Yes.

00:19:54.060 And, well, and of course, Obama and Biden are sort of fairly pro-Iran.

00:20:02.560 I mean, pro-Iran is a funny thing to say, but much more pro-Iran than Trump or George

00:20:09.080 Bush or the others.

00:20:10.840 So you can see how, from the Saudis' point of view, they might not be particularly happy

00:20:15.320 with Biden and Biden's administration.

00:20:17.260 Oh, and another thing that Biden did is...

00:20:19.020 You can get why they lock horns, at least politically.

00:20:22.980 Oh, and Biden did a whole bunch of stuff, like he lifted the sanctions on the Houthis before

00:20:26.300 the current thing blew up, who are sort of...

00:20:28.500 And he tore up Trump's deal to screw with the Iranian nuclear program.

00:20:33.140 Biden just tore that up.

00:20:34.660 The Saudis would hate that, right? 1.00

00:20:36.300 Yeah.

00:20:36.540 They would hate to see that.

00:20:38.500 Oh, there would be many insults levelled against them.

00:20:41.100 Right.

00:20:41.420 Many insults at this point.

00:20:42.740 Right.

00:20:42.940 But yes, so broadly true, but the dollar, unfortunately, has a few days left, but it is going in that

00:20:50.580 direction.

00:20:51.700 So let's have a look at Reform's Manifesto.

00:20:56.500 So...

00:20:56.860 Oh, no, wrong set of links.

00:20:58.420 Sorry.

00:20:58.900 No, not that one.

00:21:01.160 That's right there.

00:21:01.860 Okay.

00:21:02.300 Right.

00:21:02.820 Let's have a look at Reform's Manifesto.

00:21:05.820 So, Beau, over to you.

00:21:08.560 All right.

00:21:09.060 So yesterday I looked at Labour's Manifesto, so I thought today we can look at Reform's

00:21:13.920 Run, because it only came out yesterday, or the contracts, they're calling it.

00:21:16.460 Yes.

00:21:16.980 Because even the word manifesto is a bit red, isn't it?

00:21:18.900 Because there's so much quantitative easing in promises, but the manifesto just no longer

00:21:24.180 has any sort of credence to it.

00:21:26.120 Well, perhaps, yeah.

00:21:27.560 Yeah.

00:21:27.700 For some reason, they're a bit more Rousseauian, to call it a contract, perhaps.

00:21:33.800 But if we could go to page five, could you scroll down on that for a second?

00:21:37.400 Because, again, just like when I did Labour yesterday, I wanted to sort of concentrate

00:21:40.900 or look at sort of migration and borders, because that's the thing we are interested

00:21:45.000 most in about.

00:21:45.800 You know, that's the thing that's sort of destroying the fabric of our society, really.

00:21:49.280 So to begin with, it's pretty good.

00:21:53.340 There's a fair few things on there.

00:21:54.940 So freeze non-essential immigration. 0.97

00:21:58.180 They've got a four-point plan to stop the boats, apparently, which you're just sending

00:22:01.500 them back to France, just saying, we'll just turn them around. 0.63

00:22:04.160 I guess the Royal Navy or someone, simply turn them around, send them back to France.

00:22:08.640 Yeah, thanks for zooming in on that.

00:22:10.880 So I'll read some of it.

00:22:12.440 Freeze non-essential immigration, for those that aren't watching, I'll read some. 1.00

00:22:15.440 Strict limits on immigration are the only way to relieve the pressure on our housing, 0.99

00:22:19.920 public services, and increased rate wages to protect our culture, identity, and values.

00:22:24.400 Essential skills, mainly around health care, must be the only exception.

00:22:28.580 OK.

00:22:28.980 Stop the small boats.

00:22:29.940 Leave the European Convention on Human Rights.

00:22:31.340 It's just right there, you know, great, take it.

00:22:33.880 None of the other big parties have actually explicitly said they will do that.

00:22:37.780 I've seen some lefties really kick up a fuss about leaving the ECHR.

00:22:41.520 And they put up this list of things that the ECHR was supposed to do.

00:22:45.580 And I think as you look at it, it's like, well, yeah, but you didn't protect us from any

00:22:48.880 of those things during the lockdowns.

00:22:51.600 So right of free association, right to protest, right to free speech, right to family life.

00:22:56.060 I mean, you didn't, the ECHR did not do anything on any of those.

00:23:01.320 So yeah, of course we've got to leave.

00:23:02.980 Well, Dr. David Starkey says we don't even need to leave it necessarily.

00:23:06.680 We can just ignore it.

00:23:08.080 Well, yeah, all that.

00:23:09.160 But anyway, it'd be nice to, seeing it's used to sort of screw with us, it'd be nice to leave it.

00:23:16.200 And the contract goes on, zero illegal immigrants to be resettled in the UK, new Department of

00:23:22.440 Immigration to pick up illegal immigrants out of the boats and take them back to France. 0.85

00:23:28.680 Secure detention for all illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:23:30.980 That's nice.

00:23:32.280 Immediate deportation for foreign criminals. 0.98

00:23:34.580 Why that isn't just de rigueur?

00:23:35.880 I've got a funny story on that one.

00:23:37.660 Okay.

00:23:38.280 Right.

00:23:38.480 So whenever it was, about sort of 18 months ago, I was kicked out of reform.

00:23:43.300 So I was the candidate for, as you know, the candidate for Winchester.

00:23:46.740 And they found an old tweet of mine that said we should deport foreign criminals.

00:23:51.820 And that is now literally on page three of their manifesto.

00:23:55.340 So I am on the reform train.

00:23:57.040 I think it's what we need.

00:23:58.840 But I was kicked out for exactly that.

00:24:03.100 Should I talk just a little bit about this?

00:24:04.540 Yeah, go ahead.

00:24:05.080 So I'm actually, obviously, I gave my shares up in the Brexit party.

00:24:11.180 I didn't get sacked, kicked out or anything like that.

00:24:15.040 And that is what has been portrayed.

00:24:17.260 But I owned it.

00:24:18.700 I had it.

00:24:19.580 And I gave it in a trust to Nigel.

00:24:23.180 I am now supporting the reform because they are the best we have.

00:24:29.620 But my leaflet is much stronger than that.

00:24:34.560 And I see that as quite weak.

00:24:36.600 Now, let's clarify a couple of things.

00:24:39.320 Net zero is not enough.

00:24:42.000 No.

00:24:42.440 And the reason it is not enough are two reasons.

00:24:45.900 Number one, if we import a million illiterate Afghanis, just as an example, although it's a little bit inflammatory, but just supposing we imported them. 0.58

00:24:56.740 And we export a million AI experts.

00:25:03.080 And the one we're exporting a lot of is trained doctors.

00:25:06.700 And trained doctors.

00:25:07.160 You train them up and then they go to Australia or something.

00:25:09.000 Yes, and trained doctors.

00:25:09.520 So we export these people. 0.56

00:25:11.220 But it's more than that.

00:25:13.320 It's not just the fact that we've got a different group of people.

00:25:18.200 It is that we've issued another million passports.

00:25:22.040 So the net pool, and this is a little bit like dollars across the world being held in foreign countries, the million who leave, like my ex-husband, who now lives in Kathmandu, are still eligible at any point with just a flight back to come back and claim Social Security and the NHS, which is what they do do.

00:25:48.540 Nobody makes this point.

00:25:50.240 Nobody makes the point that this is not about immigration.

00:25:56.280 It is about citizenship and passports and visas.

00:26:01.120 The other thing to comment about this is about citizenship.

00:26:06.160 If we had not issued all those passports, the problems that we now face in Bradford and Luton would not exist because they would have been on work visas. 0.99

00:26:19.120 And another point is, so I'm married to a Jamaican now and I have two half Nepalese children.

00:26:28.080 We have a multiracial family, but we don't have a multicultural family.

00:26:33.860 Three people in my family are eligible for two passports.

00:26:38.880 The only person who isn't eligible for two passports is the native mug, me.

00:26:47.480 This is really important because what it means is that, first of all, my ex-husband is able to bring in another wife and she would get a passport and then she could get divorced and then she could bring in another husband.

00:27:04.000 Now, this sort of chain migration happens a lot in the Pakistani community of chain migration of marriages.

00:27:10.780 But even if we were looking at equal people, we have increased the pool of passports and eligibility to use the NHS.

00:27:22.540 So I go and live in Bequay in the Caribbean and I have a heart, I need cancer surgery or whatever, and I come back and use the NHS.

00:27:34.140 So that's the first point.

00:27:35.240 The second point is that, in my opinion, we do not have a housing crisis or an NHS crisis.

00:27:42.420 We have a people crisis.

00:27:44.380 And that includes, I don't even think we have a sewerage crisis.

00:27:47.380 We have a poop crisis.

00:27:48.920 Well, the native-born population is declining, not raising.

00:27:52.700 And therefore, if you got rid of the immigration aspect, well, I still think there's an argument for some new houses, but it's certainly not going to be anywhere near the level we're at now. 0.68

00:28:01.780 If we had no new immigration, we had spouses on visas and everybody who came in was on a two-year visa that had to be renewed, which is what happens in all Asian countries. 0.97

00:28:14.260 China issues less passports in a year than we issue in about half an hour.

00:28:19.580 Oh, I can believe that.

00:28:20.540 The point is that they come in and if I'm still married to this person, I'm on this visa. 0.53

00:28:25.220 If I still have a job, I'm on the visa.

00:28:27.560 But as soon as my job disappears, I go home.

00:28:30.240 Germany used to run that system for a very long time.

00:28:34.500 It meant that passports were by your parents and your grandparents, not by your place of birth.

00:28:44.760 The second point about this is that if we actually got migration down to zero, not to net zero,

00:28:57.740 we would then have 300,000 people who would leave and we would reduce the population by 300,000 or 400,000 by natural wastage.

00:29:07.700 So this is not about net zero.

00:29:10.200 This is about gross numbers.

00:29:12.160 And this net is so misleading.

00:29:15.680 Yes.

00:29:15.880 I mean, I like the fact that it, I mean, these are the only people who are even close to this.

00:29:20.640 So as a direction of travel, I'm very happy with this.

00:29:24.660 But yeah, for the people sat around this table, this does not go nearly far.

00:29:28.920 And it doesn't mention passports.

00:29:30.460 They said that they want to set up a department of immigration.

00:29:33.800 It should be a department of remigration. 0.96

00:29:36.040 Well, it should be a department of skills required or something.

00:29:40.140 But the other point, let's go back to, go on to the second part.

00:29:44.060 The second part about the boat people. 0.50

00:29:46.800 Oh, yes.

00:29:47.240 The boat people are the tip of the illegal immigrants in this country. 1.00

00:29:53.600 They're the ones that get all the publicity, the 30,000 a year because they have hotels.

00:29:58.320 But that number is tiny compared to the rest of them.

00:30:01.220 Illegal.

00:30:01.700 The sewage and food surveys suggest we have 90 million people in this country, not 67.

00:30:10.200 We, well, I'm going to ask you two a question since you're in politics.

00:30:13.780 How many people do you think were issued foreign nationals, were issued visas in 2023?

00:30:22.140 Total number.

00:30:23.940 In the hundreds of thousands?

00:30:25.360 No, no.

00:30:26.000 It's got to be over a million, hasn't it?

00:30:29.120 What is it?

00:30:30.260 Right.

00:30:30.700 So we've got two numbers here.

00:30:33.080 We've got three numbers.

00:30:34.100 The number that the reform party, and good for them for talking about it, or we hear in the Telegraph, is net migration.

00:30:43.120 Permanent residents coming who are net, that was 700,000.

00:30:47.560 The growth number was over a million because 300 left.

00:30:52.900 But there's another number, and not a single person has talked about this.

00:30:57.400 The total number of visas issued to anybody for whatever reason, visitor visas, that could be your aunt coming from Australia, but it can also be your uncle coming from Pakistan.

00:31:09.920 It's 3.3 million, up 58% in a single year.

00:31:18.740 And overstaying a visitor visa or overstaying a student visa are the easiest ways to get here.

00:31:27.440 So that's a really good point because a lot of people think the illegal migration is people turning up on boats.

00:31:32.060 Actually, no, most of the time it's people turning up through an airport.

00:31:35.220 They thought, oh, I'm here for a wedding, and then I'm going to go in two weeks, but they don't go.

00:31:39.420 So, yeah, I mean, I also agree that this is not strong enough.

00:31:43.660 I'm happy for it, because it's the best thing we've got.

00:31:46.240 And I've seen some tweets of yours, Catherine, saying let's get on the NIAGE train and break for that.

00:31:50.440 And I agree with that angle, that take for this election.

00:31:54.100 But still, and I'm happy to see this because it's so much stronger than anything else out there, but it's still not strong enough.

00:31:59.800 I mean, I've gone on record as saying I want mass remigration, mass remigration. 1.00

00:32:05.220 And that involves something you said about it's not just about sort of putting them on a plane and sending them home.

00:32:09.880 You'd have to sort of strip them of the citizenship that they not really deserve.

00:32:14.960 Well, the other thing that people don't talk about is how many people are eligible for two passports in this country.

00:32:22.000 Now, you see, I keep on about this.

00:32:25.200 And the reason I know about this is because I've had foreign husbands and we've had to go to Croydon and whatever.

00:32:31.720 And my brother-in-law came to the UK on a visitor's visa for six months.

00:32:39.800 And he stayed with us for a time.

00:32:41.720 And after a while, I said to my husband, who's Nepalese, what happened to him?

00:32:47.660 And he said, ah, well, he's gone to Glasgow to work for some Indian who is doing furniture,

00:32:56.100 which has come from the charity sector and they're reselling on, earning four pounds an hour living in an illegal squat.

00:33:03.600 And then sometime after that, I said, so what's happened to him?

00:33:10.000 Ah, well, he's got a British passport.

00:33:13.300 And this was very quickly afterwards, within a couple of years.

00:33:17.540 And I said, how did he do that?

00:33:21.120 You know, this is my country.

00:33:23.200 I invited him, by the way.

00:33:24.920 OK, this was the first time.

00:33:26.400 It was about 2.14 and I wrote to the home office about it because I was annoyed.

00:33:30.860 Because there was a real flippancy.

00:33:33.880 Well, what did you do?

00:33:34.940 You just wrote a letter.

00:33:36.160 Well, what does it matter to you?

00:33:37.940 So what he did was he was a Sherpa from the Himalayas. 0.92

00:33:41.480 They're an ethnic group.

00:33:42.540 They're not a job.

00:33:43.820 They're of Tibetan origin.

00:33:45.320 They have Tibetan language, Tibetan faces, Tibetan names.

00:33:49.080 But their language is not Tibetan.

00:33:51.560 It's got about a 50% overlap.

00:33:53.600 And a simple language test would say, no, this person is not Tibetan.

00:33:59.040 They're Sherpa.

00:33:59.820 And they're politically Nepalese.

00:34:01.780 He threw his passport away.

00:34:04.220 Some other bright spark had worked out how you do this.

00:34:07.620 And he went to the passport office in Liverpool and claimed asylum as a Tibetan.

00:34:13.500 And Tibet's a, you know, good country to claim asylum from. 0.62

00:34:16.840 Hey-ho, we've got it.

00:34:18.600 So once one person does that and they don't check anything, then everybody does that.

00:34:23.420 I've got a similar story on this, actually.

00:34:25.220 I mean, when I was in my business years, we were doing something with an Indian firm.

00:34:30.760 And the CEO of that company was coming over here.

00:34:34.340 And in order to get his visa for sort of temporary visa, I mean, I needed to write him a letter

00:34:38.420 to say, yeah, actually, there is a business need for this person to come in.

00:34:41.740 So I wrote this letter to the Home Office where I basically said,

00:34:43.880 we need this guy for about two to three weeks.

00:34:45.240 And sent that off and he came in.

00:34:48.780 And when he got here, he showed me his passport and he'd been given indefinite leave to remain.

00:34:53.660 So he could stay here for his entire...

00:34:55.040 No, but then he will get a British passport as well after that.

00:34:58.200 Now, in this case...

00:34:59.340 With full citizenship.

00:35:00.500 Now, in this case, he did go back after three weeks because he had something to be doing in India.

00:35:04.180 But without even being asked, they just gave him indefinite leave to remain.

00:35:08.960 And like you say, that could easily be turned into a...

00:35:10.960 So they have been maximising immigration for years.

00:35:14.580 This is the other problem with even Cameron's point system.

00:35:19.220 And this is what it doesn't say in this.

00:35:21.280 And I know, and again, I am supporting reform.

00:35:23.820 I will keep repeating that.

00:35:24.960 I have decided because they are the best we've got.

00:35:27.660 But the point system relies on a number of things to get these visas and indefinite leave to remain.

00:35:36.200 Number one, it needs a language test.

00:35:39.260 We have seen 59,000 people went through a language mill place where they were being faked.

00:35:49.160 Number two, we've got Asian document factories that can produce documents saying you are a doctor, you are this, 0.99

00:35:56.280 or you worked at the University of Ogadougou as a research specialist.

00:36:01.180 And number three, we have bank accounts where you literally get somebody to put 20,000 in for a few weeks and you take it out.

00:36:10.020 I don't see why we give any passports to anyone who doesn't have English parents.

00:36:15.340 I mean, at least one English parent because you can just give people, like you say, a two to five year thing.

00:36:21.400 You know, let's say you're marrying somebody.

00:36:23.100 Okay, fine.

00:36:23.720 You get given a five year stamp on your passport or something.

00:36:27.820 And the end of the five years, you go and see somebody.

00:36:29.840 In many countries, it's annually.

00:36:32.340 Lots of marriages don't last that long. 1.00

00:36:34.700 And especially if they're illegal ones.

00:36:37.520 But this, so, you know, this is a start.

00:36:41.100 I have talked about passports before and not a single person, politician in this country has talked about passports.

00:36:48.100 As passports being the key.

00:36:50.600 Now, let's go quickly because we will run out of time.

00:36:53.400 Yeah.

00:36:53.760 Second part, eligibility.

00:36:55.680 Eligibility often goes back to grandparents.

00:37:00.280 And we've had relatively new immigration here.

00:37:03.500 So if we got on top of this right now, even the people who are 60 have got grandparents.

00:37:11.700 We could get this dual nationality issue under control, which is important for the deportation of foreign criminals, because you can't deport them without having somewhere to send them. 1.00

00:37:24.720 And they need another passport.

00:37:26.800 And so my manifesto is saying that we, in turn, illegals. 0.53

00:37:33.340 Yes.

00:37:33.840 And we, no phones, no internets until it focuses their mind until they tell us where they come from.

00:37:41.520 And then we will go to that country and say, right, issue this person a passport.

00:37:46.780 And now you're on a plane.

00:37:48.180 And that's the process that actually physically needs to be done.

00:37:52.520 Nice.

00:37:53.000 Based.

00:37:53.740 I like that idea.

00:37:54.460 Very, very good.

00:37:55.620 So if I carry on with this.

00:37:57.240 Yeah, the idea that we don't just deport foreign criminals, foreign nationals that have done any sort of crime immediately at the end of their sentence is absolutely bizarre.

00:38:03.920 No.

00:38:04.180 Well, my view is we never sentence them.

00:38:07.560 Sorry, we sentence.

00:38:08.460 Why do we keep them at £60,000 to £80,000 a year in our country?

00:38:15.380 So they convict them and then at that point deport them to their country of origin. 0.99

00:38:18.960 Yes, we don't want to keep them in jails. 0.96

00:38:22.080 Student dependence and health tourism reforms, talking about all these things and the tax implications, for example.

00:38:32.200 Businesses can, well, there's all sorts of details there about just making it a bit more difficult.

00:38:37.680 So it's a start.

00:38:38.660 It's a beginning.

00:38:39.360 It's much, much, much stronger than any of the other main parties.

00:38:41.740 That's my thing with all of this.

00:38:43.240 It's on Reddit and I thought it's crazy that we're not doing all of this already.

00:38:46.680 Yeah, right.

00:38:47.800 And now, obviously, it's less far than the three of us would want, but it's still a massive improvement on what the other three parties do.

00:38:55.520 One point I do feel would be remiss to skate over.

00:38:57.800 It's the possibility that someone further to the right than reform say that this is, you know, this might be a Maloney type thing.

00:39:05.940 Is that, you know, can you necessarily, isn't it a bit of a honey trap?

00:39:11.060 Can you really trust, I'd like your input on this, Kenan, can you really trust Nigel?

00:39:15.520 If he was, let's just say, he clicked our fingers and he was Prime Minister in three weeks' time, would he actually do all these things?

00:39:22.920 Or are these just...

00:39:24.400 Oh, no, I think Nigel would do these things.

00:39:26.480 Okay.

00:39:27.720 You know the man, right?

00:39:28.940 Yeah.

00:39:29.160 I think he's more right-wing than you think.

00:39:32.560 I think Nigel has done something nobody else can do, which is he doesn't get banned from mainstream media and everybody else gets banned.

00:39:43.520 I mean, I'm banned, you know.

00:39:45.600 So if you're banned, you have nowhere to go.

00:39:48.460 So Nigel has played a very long game and a very careful game and you have to give him great credit for that.

00:39:55.500 Yeah.

00:39:55.560 No, absolutely, absolutely.

00:39:56.880 Can we move on to, because we've used up a fair bit of time, can we move down to page 24, which was the other sort of important bit I was most interested in?

00:40:05.540 It was just talking about culture and values and identity and things.

00:40:09.360 There's a whole bunch in there, which is just great as far as I'm concerned.

00:40:12.940 The Reaffirmation of British Sovereignty.

00:40:15.080 I'm sure you're like the one on the right.

00:40:16.620 A lot of, yeah, a lot of English nationalists don't really like the British thing and I get that.

00:40:23.600 But still, anyway, it's reform.

00:40:24.860 They don't like me criticising anything Scottish, even if it's tongue-in-cheek.

00:40:29.320 But there you go.

00:40:30.180 Replace the 2010 Equalities Act.

00:40:32.300 Just that.

00:40:33.080 Brilliant, right?

00:40:34.240 Imagine getting a...

00:40:35.380 I mean, it should be scrappy, but yeah.

00:40:37.100 Imagine getting...

00:40:37.900 Oh, yeah, replace, actually.

00:40:38.940 Now you mention it.

00:40:39.720 It'd be nice if it was just scrap.

00:40:40.900 But imagine if you've got Labour, Tory or Lib Dem saying something like that.

00:40:43.540 You just almost couldn't really imagine it, could you?

00:40:45.540 A free, comprehensive free speech bill.

00:40:48.680 Free speech bill.

00:40:50.740 Yeah, no more debanking, cancel culture.

00:40:53.080 Stop sharia law being used in the UK, full stop.

00:40:55.500 Just that's a sentence.

00:40:56.660 I mean, come on.

00:40:58.060 If you can't get behind this for the next few weeks and turn out on voting day and tick reform,

00:41:04.980 then what are you doing?

00:41:06.120 Just that alone.

00:41:07.040 Because, Kevin, you've actually made quite a brave stance on this.

00:41:09.280 You've said that, because you're standing in Great Myanmar, you're saying people don't vote for me, vote for reform.

00:41:14.060 I'm the only person who's done it as well.

00:41:16.680 A remarkable thing to say.

00:41:17.940 And it's a bit of a mess.

00:41:21.180 I've actually texted Nigel this morning and said, you know, you've got the ex-reform guy in Clacton now standing against you.

00:41:31.320 You know, this is nonsense.

00:41:33.160 If you lose by 100 votes, you will be kicking yourself.

00:41:36.300 I mean, you need to call up Robin Tilbert, head of the English Democrats, the head of the S&P, the head of UKIP, the head of Heritage, who between them are putting up 100 seats.

00:41:49.840 If they get 1,000 votes each and some of these elections are going to be so tight, they're going to be recounts and recounts in places like Great Yarmouth.

00:42:00.160 They're going to be within one or two percent.

00:42:02.280 The permutations can be different.

00:42:03.780 It can be Liberal Democrat, it can be Conservatives, it can be Labour.

00:42:07.140 But you need to get a stance to call all these people to do what I did this morning and say, don't vote.

00:42:17.000 And get David Kirshen and Robin Tilbert to say, do not vote for us, please.

00:42:22.820 I don't want you to vote for us.

00:42:24.720 Make a big, big BBC statement on this.

00:42:28.420 And he needs, Nigel is the person who needs to do that.

00:42:31.560 I mean, the BBC won't let you on to make that statement.

00:42:33.540 No, but Nigel needs to do that.

00:42:34.820 But Bo and I have got our issues with reform, considering that we're both candidates, but we're just far too based for them, far too early.

00:42:41.060 And I don't want to speak for you, Bo.

00:42:42.320 I mean, you say what you think.

00:42:43.640 But I'm happy at this point just to say, yeah, I'm backing reform, I'm voting reform.

00:42:47.480 Oh, yeah, I'm not particularly bitter.

00:42:49.100 Yeah.

00:42:49.280 And I'm not bitter either.

00:42:51.400 I think it's the best we have.

00:42:53.060 And I accept Nigel's amazing value, amazing ability to push through, to keep at it for 30 years.

00:43:02.100 You know, he is the man at the moment and we have to support him.

00:43:05.760 I just genuinely want what is best for Britain, or rather, more specifically, whatever moves the Overton window, whatever breaks that paradigm of the two-party system, whatever does that, is much, much more important than me and my vanity.

00:43:20.360 Right now it's Nigel.

00:43:22.040 OK, right now it's reforming Nigel.

00:43:23.760 So I'm banging the drum for that, unapologetically.

00:43:27.520 And yet it might be, you know, it might be we turn out with Hoodwink and he's Prime Minister in 2029 and he's much, much weaker.

00:43:33.380 I know what you've just said.

00:43:34.800 Unfortunately, that is a possibility.

00:43:36.560 But right now, I mean, just to scrap in the BBC fee, making St. George and St. David's Day a national holiday, you know, just these.

00:43:46.460 So again, I would change that.

00:43:47.920 I wouldn't just scrap.

00:43:49.400 I mean, I'd scrap the entire BBC with the exception of BBC Pigeon.

00:43:52.400 I want to keep that.

00:43:53.740 For the lulls.

00:43:55.320 Yes.

00:43:55.860 Yeah.

00:43:56.440 No, the Royal Charter, every now and again, the Tories, you remember, every now and again, once in a blue moon, they threaten that they might think about revoking the Royal Charter for the BBC.

00:44:04.800 And then they've got no intention of ever doing any such thing.

00:44:07.260 So anyway, yeah, just a party that, even if it is just on paper, even if they're just paying lip service to the idea of a British identity.

00:44:15.700 But it moves the conversation at least.

00:44:16.800 I'll take it.

00:44:17.440 Yeah, right.

00:44:17.780 Because there was a time you just couldn't even talk about stopping immigration, let alone re-migration.

00:44:23.780 Yeah.

00:44:24.220 And now it is just, it's up there.

00:44:26.920 It's in the conversation.

00:44:28.180 Yeah.

00:44:28.760 So yeah, that dragging of the Overton window to the right.

00:44:33.080 Finally.

00:44:34.140 Finally.

00:44:34.700 That's what it does.

00:44:35.120 One of the things I don't know whether it says in here is about the complete reform of the voting system.

00:44:41.600 Have you seen anything that says that?

00:44:43.540 Yeah, there was a bit.

00:44:44.640 There is a bit.

00:44:45.540 It's further up something if you want to try and scroll up a bit.

00:44:48.260 Because it's really important because I'll tell you, I'll see what they say and then I'll add a little bit.

00:44:51.440 Yeah, constitution, that bit.

00:44:53.520 Yeah.

00:44:54.080 But this isn't about postal votes.

00:44:55.780 It's about something much, much more serious that nobody seems to know about.

00:44:59.520 PR for the House of Commons, is that the people you were referring to?

00:45:01.480 No, no, no.

00:45:02.580 Do you know that out of the 3.3 million people who came, including the Indians and their dependents,

00:45:09.420 who might have come on six-month visas as students, so we're not talking about them having eligibility to a passport or that issue,

00:45:16.600 they have a right to vote.

00:45:18.820 57 countries from the Commonwealth, plus Zimbabwe that isn't even in the Commonwealth, plus Ireland,

00:45:26.640 which we have a reciprocal agreement, can vote in our elections.

00:45:32.300 These are people who, so out of that just last year's intake, it's 250,000 Indians, 250,000 Nigerians,

00:45:41.940 150,000 Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and the list goes on.

00:45:48.160 And this is something I didn't know about until a week ago.

00:45:52.360 GB News did a little slot on it.

00:45:54.640 It's unbelievable.

00:45:56.400 So wait, Rishi Sunak could still win just by sending a load of postal votes to India?

00:46:00.580 No.

00:46:01.860 These are people who are in the country, who've come in on student visas, who are not British citizens, 0.57

00:46:07.940 but come from the Commonwealth.

00:46:09.940 They are eligible to vote in this election, millions of them.

00:46:14.040 Well, that's bonkers.

00:46:15.240 That's complete bonkers.

00:46:16.200 But if these are tight elections, as Stalin said, it's not about who wins, it's about who counts the votes,

00:46:23.360 or who issues the papers to vote.

00:46:26.680 I mean, this is just 57 countries, nationals, who are not British citizens, are allowed to vote in this election.

00:46:34.540 And do you think they're going to vote for an anti-migration party?

00:46:38.040 No, of course not.

00:46:40.200 No.

00:46:40.360 No, I mean, all these sorts of things we've had our system subverted in all sorts of ways.

00:46:45.300 It's sort of unparalleled.

00:46:46.360 It's, you know, I can't think of many other examples, or any other examples in history, certainly modern history,

00:46:53.540 where this sort of thing has been perpetrated against a native population, entirely against its will, in plain sight as well.

00:47:02.300 Well, especially when those people are supposed to be in power.

00:47:05.340 I mean, there have been, obviously, examples where there have been great imports of people come in, but where there was another force in power.

00:47:12.820 They normally have to conquer you first.

00:47:14.180 Yes.

00:47:15.020 Where it was, we've just kind of been covertly conquered.

00:47:18.000 Yeah.

00:47:18.280 But I mean, this is the point, it's like, they call us sort of right-wing, but you appreciate that, like, 99.9% of everybody through history would be considered radically to the right of us.

00:47:27.860 Can you imagine going back to ancient Sparta and saying, okay, well, we're going to take all of these Persians and we're going to stick them in your town and they're not going to work, and then you're going to have to pay for them to live. 1.00

00:47:36.080 It's like there would be immediate violence.

00:47:38.660 And I give the example, and the interesting thing is most of the people I know who are immigrants, who come from Jamaica or Nepal, get it instantly.

00:47:49.240 You know, if I said, okay, so how about, you know, we import 6 million Chinese into Nepal, what do you think?

00:47:58.800 Or let's import, let's sort of import half a million Ukrainians into Jamaica. 0.70

00:48:06.240 Yeah.

00:48:06.920 They get it.

00:48:07.960 They instantly get it.

00:48:09.640 Yeah.

00:48:09.960 And don't you dare even furrow your brow, let alone express a single word of dissent.

00:48:13.720 And if you do express a word of dissent and you put it on a sticker, we will put you in jail and take your children from you.

00:48:20.180 No, the fact is the vast majority of all civilisations throughout all history, we would describe as sort of ultra-conservative ethno-nats.

00:48:27.980 Yeah.

00:48:28.320 That's the norm throughout all of history.

00:48:30.180 You and me would be considered bleeding heart liberals throughout, you know, almost all of history.

00:48:36.160 I mean, you look at pre-industrial Japan, for example, you just simply weren't allowed to go there.

00:48:41.260 This is the land of Nippon. 0.94

00:48:42.460 And this is the land for the Japanese. 1.00

00:48:43.980 You're not Japanese. 1.00

00:48:45.280 You leave immediately.

00:48:46.460 In fact, we're not able to give you that option. 0.97

00:48:48.040 You will be executed for being here.

00:48:50.140 Yeah. 0.98

00:48:50.260 You are not allowed to be here because you are not one of us.

00:48:52.680 Because you might have one port area and you're allowed there.

00:48:54.400 Yeah.

00:48:54.760 Right.

00:48:55.200 Yeah.

00:48:55.600 Yeah.

00:48:55.780 We'll allow a handful of Dutch, maybe, perhaps, for a while.

00:48:59.100 And we'll think about that.

00:49:00.640 Yeah.

00:49:01.440 So, okay.

00:49:02.460 So, yeah, I mean, we have to move on from the reform manifesto, but I would, or contract,

00:49:07.600 I would advise that people, if anyone's even remotely interested, do just Google it and

00:49:13.700 read it for yourself.

00:49:15.080 Well, there's lots of tweets out there.

00:49:17.180 In fact, Samson, can you put up that tweet at the very, I've got one under the word list

00:49:21.520 The only thing I would say, if you are going to download the reform manifesto, given where

00:49:26.680 we've been in politics for the last 20, 30 years, make sure your underwear is on the

00:49:31.240 pill before you read the reform manifesto, because it is such a breath of fresh air.

00:49:35.360 Oh, that is an earlier, earlier tweet, because I just put Rupert Lowe in there, who is the

00:49:39.720 candidate for Great Yarmouth.

00:49:41.400 Yeah.

00:49:41.960 So, I thought, just as we move transition into the next segment, as we've already said,

00:49:46.680 that, Cole tweeted a very small segment saying, look, because Cole's got issues with Nigel.

00:49:51.840 It's because of Cole that I, that I, he influenced me.

00:49:55.780 Right.

00:49:56.720 I mean, he influenced me to, to change my mind.

00:50:01.420 I saw that and I thought this is absolutely bonkers.

00:50:04.600 And so, and, you know, I just did it.

00:50:07.020 Yeah.

00:50:07.420 Without consultation, because that's who I am.

00:50:09.880 I just did it, you know.

00:50:11.780 So, Cole posted.

00:50:12.500 And I hope other people will do it.

00:50:14.280 I mean, I really hope that other small party candidates will do it for the sake of the

00:50:20.060 country.

00:50:21.080 Well, I hope so, too.

00:50:22.520 As I said earlier, sort of, I mentioned my vanity or ambition or something.

00:50:26.960 I do fear that there's all sorts of people in the smaller parties that aren't necessarily

00:50:30.920 going to be able to sort of swallow their pride, so to speak.

00:50:34.280 You know, I.

00:50:35.020 There are some personalities out there.

00:50:36.640 Yeah.

00:50:37.220 Like, Ken, I know, for example, I don't want to cause any issues, but that someone like

00:50:42.760 Lawrence Fox, for example, whether he would or could.

00:50:46.480 No, he hasn't got any candidates.

00:50:47.900 No, no, I wasn't going to say that.

00:50:49.280 Oh, but he's done the right thing.

00:50:50.440 I was just saying whether he could, whether he's, because, you know, I've seen him have

00:50:53.300 a bit of a spat with Tice before on Twitter, whether he can sort of put that aside now

00:50:57.340 and get behind Nigel. 0.96

00:50:58.300 I don't want to think about Lawrence Fox.

00:51:00.280 This isn't about Lawrence Fox.

00:51:00.860 He hasn't, isn't standing any candidates.

00:51:02.740 So he's already.

00:51:03.140 What do you make of Tice, by the way?

00:51:04.440 I think it's not the time to comment on that.

00:51:09.920 Right.

00:51:10.220 Okay.

00:51:10.680 I think, I think the same thing about it.

00:51:12.760 We read, yeah.

00:51:13.440 So anyway, Carl just posted a little thing saying, look, about message discipline, look,

00:51:18.040 you know, because, because Carl, and I don't think Nigel particularly likes Carl for the

00:51:21.640 UKIP era stuff, but Carl's got the same now, at least anyway, got the same opinion as

00:51:27.440 me.

00:51:27.600 It's just, it's just time to get on the Nigel train.

00:51:29.700 Yeah.

00:51:29.880 At least until the election and then when the election is over, then we can start putting

00:51:34.420 scrutiny on and pressure from the right.

00:51:35.900 Well, I'll just say my leaflet.

00:51:37.820 I mean, I just thought, well, you know, I've got nothing to lose here because, you know,

00:51:43.180 Hope Not Hate thinks that I'm just some, you know, off the wall Genghis Khan from who's 0.64

00:51:49.920 going to kill my own family, obviously.

00:51:52.880 And so I just thought, well, you know, we might as well talk about some of the stuff that's 0.99

00:51:58.000 going on.

00:51:58.480 And the, the three examples that I used on my leaflet, apart from the other stuff we've

00:52:03.740 already taught, were one, the woman on Bournemouth Beach.

00:52:08.060 Do you remember her?

00:52:09.520 It's only a few weeks ago.

00:52:12.300 I mean, she was at 7.30 at night, nice warm summer's day.

00:52:17.540 She was murdered to death, you know, stabbed to death. 0.94

00:52:20.680 She was a lesbian. 0.90

00:52:21.500 I don't know whether she was with her wife, but she probably was.

00:52:24.680 And I asked, so why was she killed?

00:52:27.380 And there's got almost no publicity.

00:52:30.660 The guy was somebody with a name that you can imagine.

00:52:33.840 Comes from Croydon, 20 something.

00:52:35.900 Yeah, right.

00:52:36.700 The suspect.

00:52:37.440 The next one I have put, which I think is as scandalous, is the 57 million pounds of

00:52:47.380 benefit fraud from the Bulgarian universal credit gang.

00:52:51.080 Have you heard about this one?

00:52:52.540 Now, this one in some ways is even worse because, you know, it was the Bulgarian mayor who caught 0.99

00:52:58.960 him, not the British, because all the Lamborghinis were turning up.

00:53:04.100 But the guy, the linchpin, gets seven years.

00:53:07.740 And I wrote on my, if an average wage person in Great Yarmouth, which is the average salary

00:53:13.520 of the UK, paid tax and national insurance without spending a penny, it would take him

00:53:17.960 3,000 years to earn 57 million.

00:53:21.300 That's assuming you live on nothing.

00:53:22.900 And then the third one was there's yet another grooming gang, I think, in Rotherham, which

00:53:28.640 was in the Daily Mail.

00:53:29.540 These are all June things I've put on my leaflet, which one of the inspectors, they were under

00:53:34.940 13, said, this is just so horrible.

00:53:37.860 It's one of the worst cases I've ever seen in the depravity.

00:53:40.400 Well, there's a video doing the rounds on Twitter today, which is, you know, one of these

00:53:45.040 immigrant types goes onto a bus and literally tries to steal a little girl off her mother 1.00

00:53:50.480 and run off with her.

00:53:52.900 And luckily enough people on the bus sort of stepped in and intervened.

00:53:56.360 But apparently we're just supposed to live like this.

00:53:59.140 We're just supposed to live in a country where our children can be literally stolen from

00:54:02.760 us by, you know, Ali Al-Khabab or whatever his name is.

00:54:07.720 Yeah, I mean, the list of crimes is endless.

00:54:09.800 It's the money as well.

00:54:10.900 It's just bankrupting us.

00:54:12.320 I mean, literally, you know, and the housing and the literal, I mean, in Great Yarmouth,

00:54:18.240 there are, there was a guy who had his ear chopped off in the street.

00:54:23.660 There are cigarette gangs.

00:54:25.760 There were fire bombings.

00:54:27.800 There are prostitution gangs, drug gangs, asbestos gangs, illegal immigration gangs and

00:54:34.960 goes on and on.

00:54:36.080 Universal credit scams.

00:54:37.640 The scam gangs go on.

00:54:39.740 But you can also get a wide range of curry though, can't you?

00:54:44.240 Well, we don't, there's not actually that many.

00:54:46.460 I mean, in Great Yarmouth, but it's a, it's, you know, it's asylum seekers being dumped 1.00

00:54:52.840 and stuff like that.

00:54:53.860 It's horrible.

00:54:54.260 It's a terrible thing.

00:54:54.780 You shouldn't make light of it in any way. 1.00

00:54:56.020 It's the rubbish. 0.99

00:54:57.140 I know that this is a silly sort of, and people, oh, you know, you're conservative. 1.00

00:55:02.000 You like go on about rubbish. 0.99

00:55:03.620 But rubbish drives people nuts. 0.97

00:55:07.800 The filth and the dirt on the streets.

00:55:10.560 And it's so symptomatic of the change that's happened.

00:55:15.340 And there was an interesting thing when UKIP was in its, at one point when it wasn't doing

00:55:19.260 well, the rubbish party stood candidates and got three or four council seats on just one

00:55:25.240 issue. 1.00

00:55:26.860 Rubbish. 0.98

00:55:27.660 It's funny how also the lefty globalist types just sort of refuse to admit that. 1.00

00:55:32.300 I had a tiny spat with some people on Twitter a few weeks ago about how disgusting and dirty 0.95

00:55:36.980 Whitechapel is, specifically Whitechapel.

00:55:39.300 And they were just saying, no, it isn't.

00:55:41.200 And you post pictures of it.

00:55:42.360 It's just evidence.

00:55:43.360 And they're like, no, no, no, that's a market.

00:55:45.520 It's to do with a market. 0.99

00:55:46.320 All markets generate loads of rubbish.

00:55:47.640 Like, okay, look, here's a picture where it's not on a market day and not at the market.

00:55:50.720 And they're like, no, no, it's not happening.

00:55:52.500 It's like, it's madness.

00:55:53.900 There was a fun game.

00:55:54.780 What you do is you go on Google Maps and you select that little thing, pin, where it

00:55:59.280 drops down.

00:55:59.880 You see the street view.

00:56:01.380 Hover over India and then just close your eyes and just drop it randomly somewhere. 0.97

00:56:06.440 And I guarantee you will find a big pile of rubbish when you look around. 0.88

00:56:10.620 I've done it. 0.84

00:56:11.320 I did it. 0.77

00:56:12.320 And I, like three times, three times in a row, I came down staring at a big pile of rubbish.

00:56:16.440 This is a cultural issue that is normal, is common.

00:56:21.260 I mean, Singapore had Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore had a big, big problem.

00:56:26.920 It was so bad that the sailors used to say that you could smell Singapore and they used

00:56:31.440 to spit everywhere. 0.71

00:56:32.380 And the first thing that Lee Kuan Yew did was, you know, this, this sort of clamp down on

00:56:37.840 these minor infringements and you get things under control before you get the bigger ones.

00:56:42.980 It's no spitting and no rubbish shopping.

00:56:45.200 And, you know, you could start there.

00:56:49.060 If you started with the rubbish in the streets that I've just been down in this town, you 0.98

00:56:54.440 started with this rubbish, you would find the illegals on the way as well. 1.00

00:56:58.760 And you would sign the benefit frauds and the voter frauds and you would start on the 0.99

00:57:02.320 other stuff. 0.95

00:57:02.880 So start with the rubbish infringements. 0.71

00:57:05.460 Well, of course, the councils are sort of unfortunately largely captured, aren't they?

00:57:08.900 And they're the ones where they've just, there's some sort of inertia where they don't

00:57:11.420 care.

00:57:11.780 Well, and now we have a point where the public services simply can't, haven't got any resources

00:57:17.540 to do anything, even if they want to.

00:57:20.240 You mentioned the woman on Bournemouth Beach there.

00:57:22.040 Of course, the examples of these crimes are kind of endless.

00:57:25.880 You know, Charlene Downs and Emily Jones spring to mind.

00:57:28.680 But there's just an endless number of murders where you're just not, you're just not, they

00:57:32.960 don't want you to remember it.

00:57:34.200 They don't want their names to be out there.

00:57:35.840 Don't ever speak about it.

00:57:37.280 I went on to knife crime in a week and none of this was reported nationally.

00:57:44.760 And I had to go on to each local newspaper and I didn't do everybody.

00:57:49.220 I just did Manchester, you know, Liverpool.

00:57:54.500 And there was one in Croydon or somewhere.

00:57:56.660 And I just went and the just list carried on and on and on and on and on.

00:57:59.580 And I did a cursory, cursory thing for five minutes and I found 25 knife crime events,

00:58:07.600 some of them very serious.

00:58:09.560 Yeah, no, of course.

00:58:10.600 I mean, and they're not even.

00:58:12.620 I mean, the ones once in a blue moon, even those names I mentioned, it's because they're

00:58:16.560 the most famous.

00:58:17.260 I mean, someone like Lee Rigby, for example.

00:58:19.140 Don't talk about Lee.

00:58:20.140 Don't mention Lee Rigby.

00:58:21.560 You know, certainly not mention it on the anniversary of his murder or anything like that.

00:58:25.380 Well, the worst is the issue of who isn't sentenced.

00:58:32.600 I mean, the guy who went into the Jewish supermarket waving a knife and he didn't actually kill

00:58:37.140 anybody, but he was just let off with a suspended sentence.

00:58:40.940 Yeah, try doing that in any other country in the world.

00:58:43.000 You'd be deported.

00:58:44.380 Too smart.

00:58:45.380 But we must recognise Eid, though. 0.73

00:58:48.440 That's important.

00:58:49.480 Oh, the Conservatives have been quick to do that, haven't they?

00:58:51.520 Yeah, yeah. 0.95

00:58:52.000 And queer Stalin. 0.96

00:58:53.680 I'm so looking forward to zero seats. 0.94

00:58:56.760 And it might actually happen now as well.

00:58:59.120 Well, I am actually hoping that Nigel can win, you know, a good five, ten seats.

00:59:05.340 I see realistic polls saying maybe seven.

00:59:08.060 Nigel needs to, and he's not going to, and this is so sad.

00:59:11.520 He needs to go and say he needs to make some calls to the other parties and make a public

00:59:17.980 statement that he's got agreement from the other, and ask voters not to vote for these

00:59:23.280 minor candidates.

00:59:24.760 Unite the right.

00:59:25.860 And he's, unfortunately, I don't think he's going to do that.

00:59:27.800 No, I don't think he's going to either.

00:59:29.860 OK, let's end that segment there and move on to basically talking about exactly the same

00:59:33.680 thing.

00:59:34.900 Just more of the same.

00:59:38.420 That's a great line.

00:59:39.520 I've got a bit of an introduction because we've been talking about the various manifestos.

00:59:43.980 One that American viewers may not be familiar with is this character.

00:59:47.680 So this is Count Binface, one of the most intriguing characters in British politics.

00:59:53.680 Do we know actually who the chap is?

00:59:56.000 Yeah, it's Count Binface. 0.99

00:59:56.960 No, the real guy.

00:59:58.160 He is Count Binface. 0.98

00:59:59.780 He's probably called himself.

01:00:00.940 He's actually changed his name by Deephold.

01:00:02.340 I don't know the man, I don't know the origin story, the sort of Marvel movie that sort

01:00:07.620 of, you know, sets up the character.

01:00:09.620 His costume gets more and more elaborate.

01:00:11.300 It's quite impressive at this point.

01:00:13.240 But anyway, this is the guy who always stands in the most high profile seat.

01:00:18.100 So presumably he's standing in Richmond against...

01:00:20.400 It's usually wherever the PM is, right?

01:00:22.060 Yeah, so he's standing in Richmond.

01:00:24.480 Now his manifesto I quite liked, actually.

01:00:26.620 I had a look at it this morning.

01:00:28.140 It was... 0.99

01:00:29.140 I hope it's about rubbish. 0.99

01:00:31.000 No. 0.99

01:00:31.340 Oh, look, his real name's Jonathan David Harvey.

01:00:33.820 Oh, there we go.

01:00:34.800 Oh, right.

01:00:35.240 Okay, so he does have an origin story.

01:00:36.940 So anyway, his manifesto, national service to be introduced for all former prime ministers.

01:00:43.480 I like that.

01:00:44.660 We've got quite a collection of them at the moment, haven't we?

01:00:46.460 Yeah.

01:00:46.860 There's usually only two or three alive at any given moment.

01:00:48.820 What's seven of them?

01:00:49.740 Conscript them all and send them to Ukraine or something. 1.00

01:00:51.640 Yeah.

01:00:51.960 Like, there you go.

01:00:53.520 All water bosses to take a dip in British rivers.

01:00:56.740 I quite like that, Ron.

01:00:57.560 And reintroduction of CFAX and 99p flake should cost 99p.

01:01:02.960 So anyway, so he's got some good stuff.

01:01:05.520 But we have got two former candidates for parliament in the studio and one current candidate,

01:01:13.460 even though you are saying, don't vote for me, vote for reform, which is a bold thing

01:01:17.980 for English Democrats to do.

01:01:19.220 So I thought we could talk about what we would do if we unexpectedly found ourselves in parliament.

01:01:24.800 What would our manifesto be?

01:01:25.940 What should be done?

01:01:27.680 Do you want to start on that, Catherine?

01:01:29.120 What should be done?

01:01:30.480 Yeah.

01:01:31.560 You see, I think that, and I don't want to just criticise reform because we've said,

01:01:37.720 you know, they're the best we've got.

01:01:38.940 But they have issued an economic policy that I just think is make a paper airplane out

01:01:44.520 of it because it's to the right of Liz Truss and it's just not doable.

01:01:49.380 And my view is that you would leave economics out of it.

01:01:54.440 And the reason you would leave economics and you'd keep the status quo where you are as

01:01:59.620 far as economics.

01:02:00.380 But you would, if you get the immigration stuff and you get the crime stuff and you get the 0.97

01:02:05.900 fraud under control and you get the numbers down, lots of these issues like rents and

01:02:12.760 housing and NHS would start to take care of themselves.

01:02:18.700 And we have a, you know, I suppose you could argue we have a bit higher tax rate.

01:02:24.760 But, you know, things like putting two in the reform manifesto, a two million inheritance

01:02:30.180 tax band.

01:02:33.220 Yeah, they should make it five.

01:02:34.720 Yeah.

01:02:35.400 Yes.

01:02:35.780 And raise it by the rate.

01:02:37.100 Yeah.

01:02:37.180 But you know, how many people?

01:02:39.520 It's percentage, teeny percentages.

01:02:41.560 And you need people who haven't got houses to be voting for you and who can't afford houses.

01:02:47.040 So, you know, we've talked about, for me, it all goes back to immigration, immigration,

01:02:54.460 immigration.

01:02:55.360 And it goes also, then the other thing that hasn't been mentioned is this mega problem

01:03:00.500 with the civil service.

01:03:02.240 Yes.

01:03:03.100 There are a lot of structural problems to address first.

01:03:06.560 And actually, that was my take on the reform manifesto as well, because I've just done a

01:03:09.580 brokonomics on looking at the Labour one and the reform one.

01:03:12.940 And what I was saying on the economic stuff is, let's say I suddenly found myself in

01:03:17.560 Parliament tomorrow and they came to me and said, Dan, you've got a finance background.

01:03:22.720 Do you want to do Chancellor?

01:03:23.600 I would actually say, no, give me either energy or agriculture.

01:03:27.040 And the reason being is there are so many ways for the money men to hurt you if you don't

01:03:31.440 play along.

01:03:32.260 Well, I would try to keep, one of the things I remember about the NHS when I was talking

01:03:37.780 to people working in it a while ago, a few elections, was there's just change after change

01:03:43.280 after change after change.

01:03:44.580 If you look at the Conservatives and Labour, it's change after change after change.

01:03:48.120 It's like, OK, keep, just don't do anything.

01:03:54.280 Keep it stable.

01:03:56.240 That's what we need to do.

01:03:57.840 We need to keep...

01:03:58.540 I think my point on that is more that there are so many ways for the money men to hurt

01:04:02.960 you if you don't play along with the globalist agenda.

01:04:05.500 What you need is a little bit of...

01:04:07.120 You need a bit of security.

01:04:08.140 You need energy security and food security first.

01:04:10.800 And we don't have it.

01:04:11.640 I think we import something like 48% of our food, our energy, something like a third every

01:04:17.700 day we have to import, normally from French nuclear reactors.

01:04:22.160 So we don't have the basic security in order to then go against whatever the globalist agenda

01:04:27.420 is, which is obviously at the moment run at a big deficit, spend all this money, don't

01:04:32.320 cut taxes, have massive immigration. 0.92

01:04:34.220 There are certain things we need to get in line quite quickly before we come to solving

01:04:40.360 all of the sort of downstream effects with the financial stuff.

01:04:43.320 Well, if it was up to me, I'd do work for...

01:04:44.780 Just to mention inheritance tax, I'd do away with it entirely.

01:04:47.840 I was just a state-sponsored thefter, so as I'm concerned.

01:04:50.200 The idea of it in the first instance was to stop giant families holding wealth on a sort

01:04:55.480 of national level back in the 18th, 19th century.

01:04:58.460 We don't really live in that world anymore.

01:05:00.060 There's only one guy who's exempt from it, Charles.

01:05:02.600 Right, okay.

01:05:03.380 He was exempt for whatever reason.

01:05:04.700 They decided, okay, we're not going to apply inheritance tax.

01:05:06.140 The Duchy of Lancaster is probably exempt, yeah.

01:05:08.280 Yeah.

01:05:09.060 But I was interested in what you guys think about, you know what happened to Liz Truss?

01:05:13.600 What was the body that just told her her fiscal plan just could not be?

01:05:19.340 OBR?

01:05:19.980 Yeah.

01:05:20.400 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:21.180 Do away with that.

01:05:22.460 Oh, yeah.

01:05:22.640 We don't need that.

01:05:23.160 We haven't had that for all that long.

01:05:24.660 Do away with that.

01:05:25.320 And what about the idea of, you know, it's this Blairite or Brownite thing that the best 0.98

01:05:30.200 thing to do is have the Bank of England be independent and it independently sets its interest rates

01:05:34.440 rather than the Treasury do it.

01:05:36.160 I'd probably do away with that as well, yeah.

01:05:37.200 Yeah.

01:05:38.260 Surely it's better to have the government and the Treasury.

01:05:40.260 I wouldn't do any of these things, okay?

01:05:42.580 You keep the OBR.

01:05:43.260 I wouldn't do any of it.

01:05:45.620 I'll tell you why.

01:05:47.540 Because you need a 10 to 20 year plan and you cannot start doing this stuff.

01:05:54.160 You need to start doing small scale stuff at the bottom, i.e. council houses for English 0.99

01:06:03.040 or British nationals.

01:06:04.820 At the moment, 58% or something of social housing goes to foreign nationals.

01:06:10.400 I would keep stability.

01:06:12.840 I was not, most people who we need on our side of the argument to win, who are what

01:06:20.040 Lady Nuge, you know, Emily Thornberry called white van man, are not paying inheritance tax 1.00

01:06:27.660 or paying almost no inheritance tax and their sons and daughters can't afford to buy a house.

01:06:33.160 So they're not going to have any inheritance tax.

01:06:36.300 Let's, this is diverting away from the problem.

01:06:39.900 The issue I have with Nigel's economic policy is that you must get white van man and you must get people 1.00

01:06:51.100 living in council houses and you must get the working class to vote for you, to have enough people because we've got enough rich liberals who are not going to hate us. 0.95

01:07:01.800 We must get those people and we have to offer those people something.

01:07:05.340 The tax under 20,000, if you can do it, is doable, but it is a good thing.

01:07:12.280 But the rest of it is like a rich boys millionaires club.

01:07:16.540 And Nigel has a bit of that problem already, you know, I would, you don't want, the thing that's become problematic is the enormous inequality in, and I'm not a socialist, but it's moved to the point where housing is going to cause a revolution.

01:07:37.480 My daughter, my daughter is a junior doctor, she's living five to an ex-council house as a junior doctor doing 17 hour shifts.

01:07:48.180 Is it, and I, again, you know, when she, she started to go on strike, I was, I've never been in favor of unions or strikes.

01:07:55.260 But why should somebody who is on benefits in Westminster be on a taxable basis when they are getting 30,000 in housing benefit before tax?

01:08:09.900 Why should she be earning less than, than, than even an electrician? 0.99

01:08:16.320 And, and so, you know.

01:08:18.980 And why your daughter is, is driving back to her shared council house, whatever you said it was, four other people.

01:08:24.500 Five, five other people.

01:08:25.760 She's having to drive past people.

01:08:26.540 Because she is in Winchester where houses are.

01:08:29.820 Oh, Winchester's nice, yeah.

01:08:30.860 Yeah, very nice, but she can't afford to live. 1.00

01:08:33.340 She'll end up living in a camper van. 1.00

01:08:35.120 Yeah.

01:08:35.540 We.

01:08:35.900 But she has to drive past people who are given council houses who just turned up yesterday from, you know, wherever. 0.98

01:08:41.260 We have had Afghan families given two million pound houses in Clerkenwell.

01:08:46.040 Yes.

01:08:46.820 Housing is going to cause a revolution.

01:08:49.740 Rents are going to cause a revolution.

01:08:51.320 That's why young people are turning left.

01:08:55.200 Let's stop talking about bloody inheritance.

01:08:57.640 Sorry, I mustn't swear.

01:08:58.400 Inheritance tax.

01:08:59.300 Inheritance tax isn't that important of an issue.

01:09:00.700 It isn't.

01:09:01.340 And nor is what, what Liz trusted or the fiscal stuff.

01:09:06.860 And, and, you know, this is for me is where this reform manifesto is going wrong.

01:09:14.400 There's only one party, and by the way, Marine Le Pen is right-wing socially. 1.00

01:09:19.800 She's more left-wing economically. 1.00

01:09:21.800 There's only one party that has a, and a more left-wing political, economic, political agenda in this party, which is the Social Democrat Party, which nobody's heard of.

01:09:35.860 I presume William Clouston is what Nigel would say, low energy or something.

01:09:42.180 And, but, you know, there's issues about who gets housing.

01:09:46.540 Housing, housing, housing, housing.

01:09:47.800 So what would be your top five policies then?

01:09:49.280 If this, if this segment is all about what we redo, what would your top five?

01:09:52.740 Number one, passport issuance.

01:09:54.540 Okay.

01:09:54.720 Number two, visas and how we're, immigration per se, which we discussed.

01:10:02.020 I mean, they're different because they're not the same, yeah?

01:10:04.800 Because passports is downstream five years and dual nationality, yeah? 0.72

01:10:09.460 They're not the same.

01:10:10.620 Those are two.

01:10:11.940 Number three would be dealing with housing and particularly public housing, which has to go to people whose families have been here for millennia.

01:10:22.860 Well, the entire welfare system should be, you know, dependent on having a native-born grandparent. 0.97

01:10:28.700 I mean, one thing I would say.

01:10:30.040 And, of course, we went through the foreign criminals, but also, I mean, you know, I would, I want to ban sharia and I, sorry, I hate the burqa. 1.00

01:10:39.160 I hate it.

01:10:39.860 I hate it with, I, I, I'm a feminist, not a radical one, but I believe, you know, I'm here, I'm a woman and I hate it.

01:10:48.260 Even a Muslim country, Turkey, banned the headscarf in government buildings and banks and public places.

01:10:53.860 One thing I wanted to ask you about, Cathy, is I don't disagree with anything you said about housing is more important than.

01:10:59.120 It's time, it's, it's, it's downstream.

01:11:01.940 You know, there's, there's what we do now.

01:11:03.880 And as if we got it literally today, and then there's what we would like to do.

01:11:09.160 Of course, I think immigrants, but. 1.00

01:11:10.660 But there's, my concern is, we look at the example of how they got Liz Truss.

01:11:16.400 So Liz Truss might have had this great program, exactly the same as what you're saying.

01:11:19.800 She might have, she didn't, but anyway.

01:11:21.100 She might have had all these grand ideas, this 20-year plan, and she didn't get to do any of it because she got cooed by these, these small cabals in Whitehall.

01:11:31.000 She got, she got.

01:11:32.580 That's why I'm saying you need, you need to get certain ducks in a row.

01:11:35.640 So that's got to make sure that doesn't happen to you first, right?

01:11:37.320 You've got to get certain ducks in a row before you can go after the big money.

01:11:39.940 Nigel would have the same problem.

01:11:42.020 His is Liz Truss times three.

01:11:45.420 He's got more unfunded stuff in here.

01:11:49.100 Yeah, and there will be a globalist coup.

01:11:51.620 Let's say he unexpectedly won this election.

01:11:54.360 He would find that the Bank of England would start taking actions and the rest of them would start taking actions to ensure that there was some sort of bond crisis.

01:12:00.820 They would try and Liz Truss him. 0.99

01:12:02.080 My thinking is, and my worry is, is that you could get into government and you could have a 20-year plan and then you just, you get Liz Truss.

01:12:12.340 So I imagine that you have to deal with that first and foremost with these, these groups.

01:12:19.520 But the fragility has been built into the system because, you know, like I said, we're getting whatever it is, like 48% of our food from abroad.

01:12:28.060 We're getting a third of our energy from abroad.

01:12:29.900 So the system has been built in a way is that if you start to deviate even a little bit from what you're supposed to do, sort of the sort of globalist approach that all the sort of developed nations are doing, it is so easy for them to tweak something here and something there and cause a crisis to try and force you out.

01:12:47.980 Well, one of the big problems that we would face is that we can't get anybody to administer anything because the civil service almost to a man and a woman is so left wing that they're just not going. 0.87

01:12:59.780 And the other issue is the judiciary.

01:13:01.980 So Tony Blair changed the judiciary, which meant that if you did not vouch for equality and diversity, you never became a high court judge or a judge at all.

01:13:11.700 So we saw even in the Jamaican deportation flight that was about three years ago where a Jamaican, they were all non-British nationals and a one of them had killed a child. 0.97

01:13:25.060 The home office and the lawyers stopped that deportation because he hadn't been given a mobile phones SIM card and his human rights had been offended.

01:13:36.580 You know, so the issue is that, you know, I think you would need to take action in the way that Ronald Reagan did with the air traffic controllers, which is say, if you don't administer this, we're going to fire the law.

01:13:52.780 I mean, I wouldn't attempt to reform the civil service.

01:13:55.580 I just set up a new one.

01:13:56.840 Well, that's one of the things reformers said to make a new department to do. 0.99

01:14:00.640 And they've been saying this for quite a while, actually, and staff it with just new people, what they've termed true believers, whatever that means.

01:14:07.160 Take Osborne House, a couple of hundred of sensible people and form a new civil service and grow it from there and then just shut down the existing one.

01:14:14.360 Same with the BBC, same with the judiciary.

01:14:15.680 Another thing that reform has to do and it hasn't done, and I think it's a big problem, is it doesn't have the UKIP branches and it doesn't have grassroots and that's because of the way it's set itself up.

01:14:30.240 And until that does, it's still going to have a problem because when it needs 200 people out or it needs to find those people to administer stuff in local areas, it doesn't have that debt.

01:14:41.640 UKIP does still exist, of course, doesn't it?

01:14:43.640 Yeah, but it's sort of like a dead moribund thing.

01:14:48.000 But do you think Nigel can't just say to them, exactly as you said earlier, just say, get on board with us here.

01:14:56.180 Yeah, well, UKIP is sort of on board, but he hasn't made...

01:15:00.500 The infrastructure of it, I mean.

01:15:01.200 But he hasn't... There isn't any infrastructure left.

01:15:03.640 Okay, all right, okay.

01:15:04.940 And the other issue, the real issue is the age, because there was this issue that lots of UKIPers were really old.

01:15:12.100 So the issue is how do you get the young to understand that housing prices and rent prices are related to the number of people and they still don't seem to get that connection?

01:15:27.400 Well, Nigel has, as we spoke about yesterday, got a bit of a following going on TikTok.

01:15:31.920 So hopefully the younger generation was sort of joking about how if Labour reduces the franchise down to 16, 17-year-olds, that that's just another boon for Nigel because they like him rather than Labour.

01:15:47.160 But who knows?

01:15:47.600 I mean, that's some speculation.

01:15:48.600 Are those videos going out on TikTok?

01:15:50.940 Are they genuine or are they I-generated?

01:15:53.040 Is he really playing Minecraft?

01:15:53.920 Yeah, no, the Minecraft one I saw today, I'm pretty sure that's fake.

01:15:57.940 Okay, right.

01:15:58.560 But he does have a real genuine TikTok presence.

01:16:01.460 Right.

01:16:02.020 So anyway, my just worry is, is that before you'd have to be playing like 3D chess with Whitehall.

01:16:09.220 And not just Whitehall, but there's like some sort of evil nexus, isn't there, between the civil service and the mainstream corporate media?

01:16:16.380 Because this trust was taken down by us and the banks.

01:16:19.880 What was it, the OBR?

01:16:21.440 The OBR, the Bank of England.

01:16:23.260 So the OBR and the Bank of England and the corporate mainstream media sort of got together.

01:16:27.540 Yeah.

01:16:28.120 And well, there's all sorts of weirdness going on with Rishi's bloodless coup.

01:16:32.520 What on earth really happened there behind all the closed doors?

01:16:35.140 I don't know.

01:16:35.700 I'm not sure many people really know what actually, what really, really happened and why in all of that.

01:16:40.700 But you'd have to guard against that first and foremost, right?

01:16:43.760 Yeah.

01:16:43.960 Because otherwise you just won't get more than a few weeks in power.

01:16:47.980 The system has been built in a way so that it can never go backwards.

01:16:52.000 And actually, you can see this in the Labour Party manifesto, where what Blair did is he came in and he said,

01:16:57.720 OK, let's take all of these areas of government and make them a crango and then put our people in control. 0.99

01:17:02.340 And if you read the Labour Party manifesto, they're doing the same thing.

01:17:05.020 Everything that's still left within the democratic purview is going to be pushed into a crango, 1.00

01:17:10.040 stuffed with their friends to try and make it impossible to go back.

01:17:13.460 It's not warfare.

01:17:14.300 I mean, you've seen what's going on in America.

01:17:16.540 And that's the thing.

01:17:17.220 If our people ever came in, it would be a genuine challenge to get even the basics done. 1.00

01:17:24.200 Yeah.

01:17:24.600 So I imagine one of your first battles would be that.

01:17:27.620 You know, I love the idea of getting rid of Tony Blair's Supreme Court.

01:17:30.980 Just abolish it.

01:17:31.700 Not first day, but your first bill is abolishing that or repeating that.

01:17:35.420 But you have to realise, as I said, that that is why you need to keep the economics as stable as possible.

01:17:41.840 Yes, I agree with that.

01:17:43.240 None of this getting rid of £2 million, which also has a perceptual issue that it's a rich boy,

01:17:50.100 it's because so few people, ordinary people in Swindon pay inheritance tax because they get two of them in the first place.

01:17:57.660 So, you know, you've got to be over half a million pounds and most of the population would like to have a half a million pounds.

01:18:02.600 So this is why it's such a bad policy.

01:18:05.880 It comes across as too many rich, you know, rich bankers and people, hedge fund people.

01:18:13.300 And that's not the image you want.

01:18:17.020 You know, I know, you know, you laugh about the woman who used to have a caravan in the Labour Party.

01:18:26.140 But, you know, you do need a few caravanners.

01:18:29.840 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:18:30.900 We have to get the working class and the middle class.

01:18:33.600 Once there's a swell of support there, well, that's the ballgame, right?

01:18:37.980 I mean, that's the absolute ballgame.

01:18:38.820 I mean, I certainly think you could do, I mean, one of the nicest things in that is obviously the VAT reduction,

01:18:45.000 which I don't know, is a minor point.

01:18:47.840 But there are 16 million small businesses in this country.

01:18:50.940 They are lifeblood.

01:18:52.400 And so many people stop working when they get to the 85,000 threshold.

01:18:56.960 Do you know about that?

01:18:58.620 So which one?

01:18:59.620 The VAT threshold.

01:19:01.800 Oh, are you talking about for small businesses?

01:19:03.860 Yeah.

01:19:04.220 But it's critical because people just stop working.

01:19:07.820 Half the country stops working for the rest of the year and goes on holiday because they're either VAT registered or they're not VAT.

01:19:15.800 I mean, again, it's how much does that cost to do and how much does it cost to get 20,000?

01:19:22.760 You see everybody not paying tax under 20,000.

01:19:25.940 How many billions?

01:19:27.400 For me, the easiest part of this jigsaw is to cut the 57 billion out from the Bulgarians and the housing benefit and the claims on the other side. 0.99

01:19:37.800 That is an easier target to do.

01:19:40.720 I want to stop all foreign aid 100%.

01:19:42.880 Not a penny.

01:19:43.740 Why?

01:19:44.180 Yeah.

01:19:44.480 Why?

01:19:44.740 Not a penny.

01:19:45.540 We need to invest loads of money here.

01:19:48.260 So, yeah, all foreign aid.

01:19:49.620 Just end that immediately.

01:19:51.400 I mean, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over that.

01:19:54.260 To be fair, you're not going to move the dial on any of this stuff until you look at the big line items, which are pensions, NHS and welfare.

01:20:00.080 Sure.

01:20:00.920 One of the things, just to go back to the point when you talk about what would I do, this idea that you have to make sure that you're not just, you don't get this trust within a week.

01:20:09.700 Yeah.

01:20:10.020 That is legitimately my biggest concern.

01:20:13.020 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 Well, the NHS, I would do, again, I don't think Nigel's going quite the right way with the private stuff.

01:20:24.040 Yes, it may need to be done in the future, but there are a couple of things.

01:20:28.240 I set up a health charity in Nepal.

01:20:30.960 These are people with flip-flops or no shoes, and we charged everybody like, you know, the equivalent of £10 for an appointment.

01:20:40.980 And boy, the missed appointment stopped instantly.

01:20:46.660 Instantly.

01:20:47.640 We waste billions.

01:20:49.520 The next thing on the NHS that I would do is I'd say, we give out people £20 million from ambulance-chasing lawyers, and the doctors who are working are in fear all the time of making a mistake and losing their licence.

01:21:05.800 Or I would say, you've got free health care.

01:21:09.520 You can take it or leave it, but you're going to sign away your rights.

01:21:14.240 Because with the exception of about one in a million doctors, Dr. Shipman, most doctors go in it not to kill you.

01:21:20.600 They go in to help you, and they are well-meaning, and they're not planning to make a mistake and cut your wrong leg off.

01:21:26.200 So, that's number two I would do.

01:21:30.040 Number three, health tourism costing billions.

01:21:33.960 If you're not resident, you're not eligible.

01:21:36.120 If you're, you know, I would put, you see, I would put bonds on everybody coming in here.

01:21:43.000 I would put for people coming in on tourist visas.

01:21:47.280 If you come, everybody has to have £5 million of health insurance that you can buy, which we would buy if we were going to America.

01:21:53.960 And we, I would put bonds from high-risk countries.

01:21:59.680 Singapore used to do it, whereas if you had a maid, not only did you have to put, have a bond up, but you would basically get imprisoned if she got pregnant. 1.00

01:22:08.460 And so, they used to keep them in on Saturday nights.

01:22:11.260 Now, that's quite draconian, but basically, you would put a bond of £5,000, £10,000.

01:22:16.660 And by the way, that isn't even enough, because overstaying a visa is worth more than £10,000.

01:22:24.720 You would need to imprison the sponsor of that person if they don't leave.

01:22:29.540 So, that is logistically something I'd always wanted to do.

01:22:31.860 It's every person who does come here needs to have a sponsor.

01:22:35.640 And if the person who came here committed a crime, then both of them serve it.

01:22:39.000 Yeah.

01:22:39.980 Because then you're going to be very careful about who you let in.

01:22:42.640 So, I think this stuff, these boats, these illegals could be stopped so quickly with just the threat that you are not going to have anything.

01:22:55.260 Singapore allows everybody, and it's surrounded by poor countries and less devout countries.

01:23:02.280 It allows almost every national, including Nepalese, to arrive on a two-week tourist visa.

01:23:07.940 And it doesn't have no legal problem.

01:23:11.000 Now, why?

01:23:12.720 No benefits.

01:23:13.760 Because they get zero.

01:23:15.900 They're not allowed to sleep on the street.

01:23:18.220 They will be picked up by the police and sent to the airport.

01:23:22.340 Yeah, Singapore, don't muck them out. 1.00

01:23:23.460 And everybody knows that's going to happen, so you don't bother.

01:23:26.920 I think you even get fined if you drop chewing gum.

01:23:29.600 You're not allowed to have chewing gum.

01:23:30.820 What broader point I wanted to make about the list trust angle, or just getting removed from office before you get a chance to do any of this stuff about housing and immigration and everything, would be that you need to make sure, pardon me, that, how to put it?

01:23:48.780 Okay, David Starkey, I think, put it quite well, that Parliament should be supreme.

01:23:55.140 And that's one of Tony Blair's biggest crimes, is that he broke the sort of absolute authority of Parliament in various ways, all sorts of ways.

01:24:03.660 You know, lots of power when things go to quangos, and all sorts of third parties.

01:24:09.260 And it used to be that, you know, an act of Parliament was sort of absolutely supreme.

01:24:13.420 And so I think you'd have to address that first, to make Parliament great again, so that if and when you pass bills going forward, after that, it's actually ironclad stuff.

01:24:25.720 So you could pass a bill saying, let's get rid of loads of quangos, let's change this and that, like big things like the Supreme Court, or like the Bank of England, it all counts for nothing. 1.00

01:24:36.940 Or making a whole new department for remigration or something, it all counts for nothing if Parliament is weak as hell.

01:24:44.160 Yeah. So the whole system has been built to be a ratchet, and if you want to go backwards on the ratchet, it is going to be really painful, because people will make it painful, because the system has been designed that way.

01:24:55.400 You can't go through a lot of the institutions that have been set up that are nominally supposed to do this stuff, because they're just full of placements, we're not going to tolerate any of this.

01:25:03.580 So, yeah, I mean, it is an almighty challenge, and it might be the case that maybe a revolution is the only way to get through this.

01:25:12.440 But that's sort of the thing I'm talking about, you're talking about maybe a battle of wills, it's difficult to turn the cog back or whatever you just said.

01:25:19.600 No, nonsense. I'm not disagreeing with you, what I'm saying is, if Parliament is supreme, then there's no battle of wills.

01:25:27.720 It's Parliament's way or the highway. It's as simple as that.

01:25:31.160 Yes. We need to return to that sort of paradigm, and then obviously have a government with a political will to do what we want. 0.84

01:25:36.500 They're two big asks.

01:25:38.020 That'd be nice. Let's leave it there for that segment, and see what the commenting people have been saying.

01:25:45.880 I just realised Count Bimface and Lord Buckethead are two completely different things.

01:25:49.560 Oh, yeah. No, different species.

01:25:50.940 Completely different.

01:25:51.580 Yeah. It's like elephants and elephant seals, just completely different.

01:25:56.260 Badgers and honey badgers.

01:25:57.620 Yes. Yes, exactly right.

01:25:59.060 And by the way, just finally, I've changed my view on this, on the economics.

01:26:04.380 Count Bimface. 1.00

01:26:04.640 No, yeah, on the economic stuff.

01:26:07.400 Because I came up, I was a child of Thatcher, et cetera, and in UKIP, there was red UKIP and blue UKIP,

01:26:15.200 and I would have been on the blue UKIP.

01:26:17.080 Right.

01:26:17.340 But I've said no, it cannot win, blue UKIP. It's got to be a redder UKIP. It's got to give something back to those people who have suffered so badly. 0.95

01:26:29.040 Economically speaking, you know, right.

01:26:31.200 Garlic Goblin says, I wasn't aware of Catherine prior to today, but she's absolutely brilliant. Another fantastic Lotus Eaters guest. Great knowledge, insights, principles. I hope this is the first of many appearances.

01:26:42.400 Thank you.

01:26:43.660 So, Garlic Goblin says that. And Bleach Demon says, Catherine is a great guest. Can't wait to see her back.

01:26:49.520 Russian Garbage Human says, Carl, Catherine is brilliant. Please invite her on again. Absolutely glued to the headphones in my ears until I have to be away again. Thank you. 0.97

01:26:59.400 And Hex Rector says, Dan, I'd love you to do a Brokernomics on Trump's proposal to abolish the federal income tax and replace it with tariffs on imported goods.

01:27:11.920 Yeah, maybe not a whole Brokernomics, but I can definitely cover that as part of something. So, yes, why not?

01:27:17.460 What about just covering Trump's sort of economics team, who influences him, what his thoughts and feelings are on economics, what he did last time or didn't do last time, what he's saying he might do this time.

01:27:29.800 You can make a whole Brokernomics out of that. I'd be interested, so I don't know a great deal about that. 1.00

01:27:33.520 Yeah, I could do that. We'll have a look at that. Right. So, on the petrodollar section, Faxbar says, Nigel fully understands that this is a population density problem.

01:27:41.000 He openly talks about it. I think net zero migration is just a good place to start. I mean, do we agree with that? 0.55

01:27:48.800 Yeah, but it isn't net zero, we know, because it's not net passport zero.

01:27:53.700 But direction is a good step.

01:27:54.540 But yes, yeah, direction of travel is, of course, he's the best we've got.

01:27:57.880 Let's have gross zero passports.

01:28:00.620 Yeah.

01:28:02.240 AZ Desert Rat points out, it's too bad the US won't mine the oil in Alaska. There's tons of oil, coal and natural resources and gas up there.

01:28:08.520 But yeah, I mean, it's the same with here. We've got plenty of resources, North Sea, oil and gas.

01:28:13.460 And coal.

01:28:14.000 Yeah, coal.

01:28:14.900 Massive seams.

01:28:16.380 Canada and Alaska, that's not even counting mainland America, Canada and Alaska's giant reserves.

01:28:22.780 I think Canada is up there with places in the Middle East, but it's just largely untapped.

01:28:27.900 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 Ted Kersey says, regarding the petrodollar, while this might have been coming for a while, Biden put a brick on the acceleration and steered us off a cliff.

01:28:35.640 I mean, yeah, that's essentially my point is, these trends were happening anyway, but Biden has just, it's just disastrous on geopolitics and international relations and everything.

01:28:47.100 Well, let's be more accurate, the people behind Biden.

01:28:50.280 Yes.

01:28:50.920 I think Sleepy Joe doesn't know what the hell is going on.

01:28:53.120 He's not up to it, obviously.

01:28:54.300 Alex says, if you want a gold conspiracy, look into the Yamashtar treasury, gold that the Japanese had taken during period expansion.

01:29:05.020 It was hidden following the end of the war and is scattered around Asia.

01:29:08.720 The CIA got some after World War II.

01:29:10.600 Never even heard of that one.

01:29:11.700 So that is, that is interesting.

01:29:13.040 Just quickly on that, isn't there an actual, and I don't think this is a conspiracy thing, I think this is a matter of documented fact.

01:29:20.620 There was a Nazi train filled with gold that the Nazis buried somewhere right at the end of the war, somewhere in Europe, and to this day it remains unfound.

01:29:29.760 So I think there's a train carriage from World War II era full of bullion somewhere.

01:29:34.000 I've seen that.

01:29:35.200 They still haven't found it under the program.

01:29:37.100 The document should be the program finder.

01:29:39.200 Right.

01:29:39.880 There you go.

01:29:40.400 Oh, okay.

01:29:41.080 So if you've got half a train sticking up in your back garden, have a look.

01:29:46.180 Do you want to do something from the reform hall section?

01:29:48.180 Go on then.

01:29:49.420 Let's fall down.

01:29:51.500 Justice, I can't read the screen very well.

01:29:53.500 That's exactly why I have always, sorry, there's loads of glare on the screen.

01:29:56.600 Thanks, Samson.

01:29:57.320 That's exactly why I've always hated net zero migration.

01:30:00.080 I don't count those coming in as equal to those leaving.

01:30:02.220 Yeah.

01:30:02.580 Justin B said that.

01:30:04.280 Yeah, our train doctor for a Jamaican barista is not a one-for-one swap.

01:30:11.200 Yeah.

01:30:11.700 Yes.

01:30:12.760 Yeah.

01:30:13.720 Well, another quick thing to say, again, throughout history, quite often when there's a migration like this,

01:30:19.840 and we say, oh, we happen to notice that they're all sort of young-ish fighting age men, hardly any women and children,

01:30:25.460 and not only that, but they'll be quite often, again, historically speaking, they're the chances of their own society.

01:30:32.700 Okay, let's, this is a very important point.

01:30:35.300 The poor do not come from a country like Nepal because the poor have never been to the capital city.

01:30:45.600 I run a healthcare charity.

01:30:47.420 My nurses had never been to the capital city.

01:30:50.060 They are not even the poor.

01:30:51.300 They're the educated.

01:30:52.440 They haven't been to the capital city.

01:30:54.560 To come to Europe, you need to generally have some English, to be internet connected, and to have some resources, and to live near an airport.

01:31:05.380 And the second point about this is many of these people own houses and land in their other countries.

01:31:14.160 Nobody ever talks about this.

01:31:16.780 They're just refugees, Catherine.

01:31:18.140 Yes, but nobody talks about the fact that the people in Swindon down there claiming Social Security have got another house,

01:31:24.040 and they don't believe, you know, and they may be getting rents from them.

01:31:27.740 Yeah.

01:31:27.980 Yeah.

01:31:28.420 And they just get caught.

01:31:29.080 They're just asylum seekers. 1.00

01:31:30.260 They're just refugees. 0.99

01:31:31.420 Don't worry about who they really are or exactly where they came from or what's in their mind.

01:31:35.380 or what they may or may not already own.

01:31:37.080 Don't worry about any of that.

01:31:38.280 In the left's imagination, these people were being shot at up until the point they got onto the dinghy at Dover.

01:31:43.520 Yeah.

01:31:43.940 Yeah.

01:31:44.540 Yeah.

01:31:44.800 Assad's regime is machine gunning them at Calais, and they can only be safe in Dover.

01:31:49.520 Chasing them through the high streets of Calais, yeah.

01:31:50.560 But I think the important point is my nurses have never been to the capital city.

01:31:55.420 Right, yeah.

01:31:56.060 You need a bit of money and a bit of knouse to make that trip in the first place. 0.95

01:32:00.200 And you have a family that invests in you so you get the chain going.

01:32:04.740 So you get the wife come to, et cetera. 0.99

01:32:08.240 And perhaps we have to finish on this one because we're out of time.

01:32:10.160 No, no, we can go over a bit.

01:32:11.640 Nigel Farage is the normie foot in the door, our Molotov cocktail through the Overton window,

01:32:16.420 the human hand grenade to give the uni party a referendum they can't ignore.

01:32:20.220 Nigel isn't representing left or right, just native British.

01:32:24.480 Yeah.

01:32:25.940 Let's do a couple more.

01:32:27.000 We can go over one.

01:32:27.800 Go ahead.

01:32:28.600 Nick Taylor says,

01:32:29.540 I'm Australian.

01:32:30.240 I'm sick of hearing about the point-based system.

01:32:32.260 Hundreds of thousands of Uber drivers milling around on public infrastructure during the day.

01:32:36.760 They're not all engineers and nurses.

01:32:39.300 Local man stabbing.

01:32:40.020 And so easy to corrupt, as we pointed out.

01:32:43.080 Yeah.

01:32:43.640 John, it says,

01:32:44.260 Lifelong Tory voter now voting for reform.

01:32:46.540 However, our candidate in West Dorset for reform messed up his application.

01:32:50.600 So now I can only spoil the ballot.

01:32:52.100 That is unfortunate.

01:32:52.980 If I join the party with a £25 fee, we need to change the system.

01:32:56.880 Yeah, so let's do a couple from our last segment as well,

01:32:59.920 because, of course, that's where you got to talk more about what you would do.

01:33:03.660 Lord Nerovar says,

01:33:04.800 A manifesto is a manifesto.

01:33:06.080 Actions are actions.

01:33:07.300 I understand that,

01:33:08.320 but this manifesto is a way for reform to advance these issues on behalf of the electorate.

01:33:12.660 But it remains to be seen whether they can or will actually act on it.

01:33:16.220 But I'm hopeful reform haven't had an exactly spotless record lately.

01:33:20.140 Yeah, so it's encouraging that Nigel has returned.

01:33:21.820 But, yeah, there are obviously some deeper issues there as you decline to give us your view on Tice.

01:33:29.100 Well, I mean, the main thing is he just doesn't set the world on fire, does he?

01:33:32.780 No.

01:33:32.880 And he's a conservative, you know, he's sort of...

01:33:35.820 The hotel room chair is definitely for him.

01:33:38.820 You've got to give it to Nigel.

01:33:39.940 He is charismatic.

01:33:41.620 Oh, yeah, very much so.

01:33:42.500 People say he's a good communicator, he's a good communicator.

01:33:45.260 No, he's more than that.

01:33:46.500 He's more than that.

01:33:47.780 He's got something I don't have.

01:33:49.920 And probably I've never seen anybody with so much energy.

01:33:53.700 Right.

01:33:54.300 Nigel is somebody who has, like, Superman energy.

01:33:59.260 He's 61.

01:34:00.500 He will drive from Strasbourg.

01:34:03.200 He will do messages on the phone.

01:34:05.340 He will then do three meetings and then go to D-Day and then come back to a village hall in Barnsley, all in the same day, and have a great social life and be at some Trump funding event in the evening.

01:34:18.780 I mean, how he does it, I don't know.

01:34:20.960 Nobody can keep up.

01:34:22.060 Fueled only by a couple of pints of mild and half a pack of Melba Ritz.

01:34:26.680 Mr. Ward says, I would consider my dad a model immigrant.

01:34:30.020 But no matter how well he integrates, follows our laws, respects our traditions, he will never be British. 1.00

01:34:34.300 There are cultural differences ingrained in his bones.

01:34:37.660 These days, new arrivals can't even be expected to respect their host country, let alone have any sort of patriotism, even amongst the good ones.

01:34:45.220 Many regard our history as evil and a burden the West has to carry.

01:34:48.660 They all have to go back, and I mean all of them.

01:34:51.360 I won't go quite that far, but in that broad direction.

01:34:55.640 The other thing we're not allowed to talk about is that some immigrants, and this is not about skin colour, integrate better than other immigrants.

01:35:05.040 And obviously you look at crime statistics, which we're not allowed to ever see, but they've been produced in the Scandinavian country.

01:35:11.580 You know, 1% of criminals come from Singapore and Japan, and 98% come from Somalia or something.

01:35:19.320 You know, these numbers, these rape numbers.

01:35:21.120 But from my own experience, you know, the Caribbean speaks the same language, has the same religion, eats, you know, fruitcake. 0.99

01:35:33.340 I know these are stupid things, but if you had a group of people, there's always a continuum of who you get on with. 0.94

01:35:44.100 And language is the first thing. 0.99

01:35:46.500 So you'll get on better with a Jamaican than you will with an Indian. 1.00

01:35:51.880 You will also, there's a continuum, in my opinion, of religion.

01:35:56.100 Most of the Nepalese are absolute delightful.

01:35:58.640 We've had the Gurkhas in our army. 1.00

01:36:00.400 The Nepalese Gurkhas have some of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire Britain, less than the native population. 1.00

01:36:11.080 They're like 1%, and the native population is sort of 10%.

01:36:14.820 So they are Buddhist, and being Buddhist makes, generally, most of them are Buddhist, makes a big deal of difference.

01:36:23.460 Your religion makes a great deal of difference, and your language and your history and your culture makes a big difference.

01:36:28.640 I think, again, that's a pattern, it's quite bigoted for you to have noticed that.

01:36:32.860 Yeah.

01:36:33.160 I think, you know, we, Calum did a bit a while ago, where it's like, I think it wasn't, it wasn't in Britain, I think it was in Sweden or Denmark or Norway or something.

01:36:39.900 And it was like, yeah, Somalia.

01:36:42.020 And Sikhs, by the way, have... 0.93

01:36:43.060 Small places like Kuwait.

01:36:44.320 Kuwait was massive, like, it's quite a tiny little place.

01:36:46.640 But do you know that Sikh girls have been groomed as well?

01:36:49.640 Yes.

01:36:49.980 Sure.

01:36:50.180 And, you know, Sikhs have often had an incredibly upright history, have fought for Britain, who believe in Britain, have integrated, who don't commit enormous numbers.

01:37:01.580 And so there are these groups that do really well and believe in things.

01:37:07.740 There are certainly groups that you'd want to focus on first if you were looking at a re-migration system, you know, possibly starting banning halal meat or something like that.

01:37:15.600 I mean, if you look at somewhere like Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or Kuwait or something versus somewhere like South Korea or Hong Kong or Singapore, for example.

01:37:27.580 And how do you explain that?

01:37:30.020 Well, culture was just the tip of the iceberg.

01:37:34.060 But, you know, well, anyway.

01:37:37.580 Think Positive says, on the rubbish thing, people protect the laws, not the other way around.

01:37:43.020 It's the broken window thing.

01:37:45.600 Yeah.

01:37:46.440 Kevin Fox has fixed the housing, confiscated all properties from the housing associations and put them back under council control.

01:37:55.280 Possibly.

01:37:55.900 I think I need to think that one through a bit more.

01:37:58.120 David Fisher says, I'm English.

01:38:00.220 I've lived in Canada for 25 years.

01:38:02.600 I am allowed to vote in the election and am registered.

01:38:05.280 I am torn whether I should vote.

01:38:07.200 If I were a person living in my old constituency and found out somebody living in Canada could decide my election, I wouldn't be happy what to do. 0.53

01:38:14.680 I still plan to return to the UK at some point, providing isn't too much of a basket case.

01:38:19.460 So I think the principal thing to do is if you're going to vote for the right people, just do it because the left wouldn't have those compunctions at all.

01:38:25.740 But I know that's what I think.

01:38:26.760 I mean, just this whole thing is bonkers, bonkers that somebody from Pakistan who's just arrived a week ago can vote. 1.00

01:38:34.560 Yeah.

01:38:35.040 So let's sign off here.

01:38:38.280 Before we go, if people have enjoyed your stuff, where can they get more views?

01:38:42.500 I'm on Twitter.

01:38:43.760 So that's the main place you find me.

01:38:46.500 Yeah.

01:38:47.180 I haven't been.

01:38:49.720 I came out of politics after the Brexit party fiasco.

01:38:53.680 And I did do a bit on the vaccination, the COVID.

01:38:58.380 Right.

01:39:00.280 Oh, quickly.

01:39:01.600 That's the other thing that I really liked in the reform manifesto.

01:39:04.820 But they're going to address the COVID vaccine harms.

01:39:08.200 Right.

01:39:08.500 But onwards and upwards with the English Democrats, hopefully. 0.99

01:39:11.900 Yes.

01:39:12.280 Going forward over the next few years.

01:39:13.280 What's your plans for the future of that party?

01:39:17.040 Well, I'm not the leader.

01:39:18.460 It's robbing, isn't it?

01:39:21.280 They're a nice country club.

01:39:23.360 Right.

01:39:25.440 They're very nice people.

01:39:27.120 Okay.

01:39:27.700 And they've been around forever.

01:39:29.240 There is, of course, this issue which none of the other parties address, the fact that the Scots, the Welsh,

01:39:35.580 not only do we pay them loads of money, but we have no representation whatsoever.

01:39:39.580 And the Emily Thornberry, you know, that the English flag is nasty and the Scots flag is absolutely fine. 0.99

01:39:46.100 This is a problem that nobody ever talks about.

01:39:49.020 Yes, that's fair.

01:39:49.640 Although it is, I think, a sub-problem to the immigration problem.

01:39:54.840 Either those devolved parliaments should go or all their MPs should leave Westminster.

01:40:00.260 I mean, pick one.

01:40:01.000 I think it's just adding more money.

01:40:03.240 And, you know, we need to get rid of it.

01:40:05.000 We have a massive budget deficit problem and we need to find things like diversity things in the NHS

01:40:11.460 and diversity offices and extra parliaments.

01:40:17.040 We just don't need it.

01:40:18.620 Yes.

01:40:19.160 You've got to wonder what it is about the NHS that they need so many diversity, equity, inclusion officers.

01:40:24.980 I mean, they must just be seething racists, every one of them or something.

01:40:28.700 I would undo all of Blair's devolution stuff.

01:40:31.140 Yeah.

01:40:31.600 Worked perfectly well for centuries before that.

01:40:34.000 It's been nothing but a pain.

01:40:35.460 I'm torn on that or just leaving them in place and then chucking out all of the Welsh and Scottish MPs from Westminster.

01:40:41.420 I'll take the stone of schoon back as well.

01:40:43.080 We're having that back.

01:40:44.340 I'm checking out with me.

01:40:45.760 Well, one of the other things, I mean, this is just a very minor thing on the NHS,

01:40:49.680 but it costs us something like half a million pounds to train a doctor.

01:40:55.280 That's without the cost for them or student loans.

01:40:58.360 I would double junior doctor's salaries and I would make them work for five years, seven years in a contract like the army.

01:41:08.260 They are underpaid and they're not.

01:41:10.760 They're not.

01:41:11.600 They can literally spend five years and become a potter.

01:41:16.200 Yeah.

01:41:17.080 I think Dr. David Bull of Reforma said that, that once you're a doctor, you have to work in the NHS for a few years.

01:41:23.340 I remember when I spoke to him, he said that as a policy.

01:41:26.160 Well, the other thing, I mean, the other thing that's a real problem that nobody talks about is the fact that we are training about 65% women.

01:41:36.220 And I am, that's because men will not go into the NHS. 0.67

01:41:40.240 Do you know that?

01:41:41.700 Well, I can imagine it's quite a toxic environment for men.

01:41:44.080 Well, because they won't, when they're students, the bright ones decide that they would rather do AI

01:41:49.560 and not end up in the NHS earning 30,000 when they can go to London and earn 80,000 as a recruitment agency.

01:41:57.400 And so the result is we've got 65% women.

01:42:00.740 They all leave to have babies and just as they become consultants or GPs.

01:42:07.000 Women choose to do less overtime. 1.00

01:42:08.980 Yes.

01:42:09.320 So we've only got 10% of GPs in training who plan to work full time.

01:42:16.120 This is just bonkers.

01:42:17.660 Even if you believe in equality, it should be 50-50, not 65-35. 0.96

01:42:24.840 All good points.

01:42:25.780 Right.

01:42:26.140 So.

01:42:26.780 We do have to draw it to a close there, don't we?

01:42:28.300 Yes, we're going to have to draw it to a close.

01:42:29.680 So thanks very much, guys.

01:42:31.660 And see you tomorrow.

01:42:33.600 Thank you.

01:42:34.180 Thank you.

01:42:34.240 Thank you.

01:42:39.320 Thank you.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 18, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #939

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