The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the loadseaters episode 940 for today wednesday the 19th of june

00:00:13.800 2024 i'm your host connor joined by carl hello and professor eric kaufman thank you very much

00:00:18.320 for rejoining us over at the website it's always a pleasure yes and uh after the show today we will

00:00:23.680 be talking about your brand new book on my show thompson talks which will be behind the paywall

00:00:27.920 so five pounds a month sign up you can get all of our stuff but you've been up to plenty of stuff

00:00:32.320 uh do you mind giving a brief introduction for the audience who may not have seen your previous

00:00:35.720 interview oh yeah well i mean boy where do i start i mean i've left i was at uh berkbeck college

00:00:42.060 university of london for 20 years and i believe um carl may be familiar with berkbeck that's where

00:00:47.020 i did my philosophy degree and i did it because you were there and then you were in the wrong

00:00:53.040 department though i mean sure but i thought at least there's a friendly face in the faculty you

00:00:56.900 know so you know maybe i'll have a defender there if i get caught out or something well meanwhile

00:01:01.180 they were coming at me with pitchforks um and so i had you know twitter mobbings and uh internal

00:01:08.180 investigations driven by you know radical faculty members many of whom were not in my department

00:01:14.060 actually there's only one in my department she was particularly poisonous but i think you did a good

00:01:18.620 number on her carl um but anyway but uh but yeah so essentially i around about 2022 i just decided

00:01:26.880 it's time to move on i went over to university of buckingham which is the only i would say free

00:01:32.380 speech oriented or at least the leadership is the only free speech oriented leadership of a university

00:01:36.700 in britain out of 181 institutions um i've set up a new course on woke so i want to study woke like you

00:01:43.560 would study liberalism or nationalism or any other ideology let's just look at it analytically its

00:01:49.140 origins what its effects are uh what's what its impact is on politics so i've got that course it's

00:01:55.380 run it's been a big success i've had hundreds of people take that course now and encourage any of

00:02:00.700 your listeners to sign up um and um and so yeah and then of course what i've also been up to is is i've

00:02:07.460 published a new book uh which is called in britain anyway it's called taboo how making race sacred led

00:02:14.040 to a cultural revolution that comes out fourth of july it's certainly available to be ordered now and

00:02:19.160 i've been doing it came out a bit sooner in the u.s under the uh third awokening which is the name of

00:02:24.660 the title so i've been doing various media and writing op-eds um so i was on jordan peterson and

00:02:30.720 trigonometry and various other places so just just talking through the thesis really of the book and

00:02:35.740 how we should understand woke how it's applying to our politics today yes you guys were litigating

00:02:40.960 that off air right before we came up eric will be arguing with me later so i'm sure eric will come

00:02:45.920 back and argue with carl another time but today on the show because we're doing some news here we're

00:02:49.600 talking about the smear campaigns launched against various candidates for reform uk how we've hit yet

00:02:54.740 another migration record milestone celebrate the little things i suppose and how we're funding our

00:03:00.780 enemies because i've got some stats on just how much money the home office has given hope not hate

00:03:04.340 it turns out you remember when they paid us that five quid to watch liz trust interview yeah it's a

00:03:08.340 tax rebate oh was it yeah not that brilliant but anyway let's let's jump into today's story so

00:03:14.300 reform uk are rocketing up in the polls which is always nice to see since nigel farage came back

00:03:19.580 and decided to be a lightning rod for discontented young men like me who have been bereaved of a

00:03:24.520 cultural inheritance and the ability to buy a home um what was it 1997 it was three times the

00:03:29.380 average house price now it's 11 times because something happened anyway so it's not just a

00:03:35.420 flash in the pan because we had this poll with you gov a little while ago last week and this is where

00:03:40.320 for the first time reform had eclipsed the conservatives in the polls i think the conservatives

00:03:45.420 were at something like 18 reform became 19 so farage's statement that he will become the opposition

00:03:52.480 even if not in the plurality of seats because of our electoral system but at least

00:03:56.560 the popular opposition seems to be true and now we have another one turns out um there's a redfield

00:04:03.700 and wilton strategies one that came out i think two days ago and conservatives are down to 18 percent

00:04:08.180 and reform are now neck and neck with them i saw one this morning that showed that they were um

00:04:12.440 leading in wales above the conservatives and obviously behind labor labor labor have gone from

00:04:17.320 something like 51 to 31 in wales and reform were up 17 percent uh so reform are actually the opposition

00:04:23.760 in wales now i mean if you remove london and scotland reform are beating them everywhere else

00:04:27.120 it's great yeah it's worth saying one other thing about this by the way which is you know it is true

00:04:31.500 that reform and tory are in some ways substitutes but there are a lot of voters who are pissed off

00:04:36.600 with the tories who would have not voted at all and who might have voted for labor so in that sense

00:04:42.480 those voters going to reform takes votes away from labor as well so that's worth bearing in mind

00:04:47.200 that's what happened in ukip in 2015 i believe as well and also um just getting out the um resigned

00:04:54.600 voters the the people are just like well i'm not going to vote at all giving them something they

00:04:59.000 want to vote for uh hurts labor as well yeah yeah labor is sort of like looking at this you know full

00:05:05.000 house or whatever uh because people are just going to stay home so i'm not voting for the tories and

00:05:09.400 there's no one else so i'm just not going to vote well now there's something for them to do it's

00:05:13.140 fantastic well that's been their ming vase strategy of not disclosing too much about their manifesto

00:05:17.720 plans which are going to be very radical and they're going to put up taxes through a sneaky way

00:05:21.220 because they just think they can carry it across the finish line and win by default now farad has

00:05:24.840 come in and i think matt goodwin put it about six in ten people who voted in 2019 for the conservatives

00:05:30.020 just weren't going to vote until recently they're going to galvanize that base and a lot of young

00:05:34.820 people and it seems like they're going to translate it into some seats for well that young people point

00:05:39.500 is interesting i don't know if you saw matt's substack recently where he showed that amongst

00:05:43.740 zoomers actually twice it was over twice as many were going to vote reformist tory 15 versus seven

00:05:50.540 and that really hit me like wow okay so they're making an impact amongst younger people do you know

00:05:55.780 something was really interesting when i was doing the 2019 mep campaign we got a poll through

00:05:59.960 that uh showed that uh 14 of 18 to 25 were going to vote ukip and uh callum was with me at the time

00:06:06.860 he's looked over and goes look we've done our job and it's like yeah that's that's what we were

00:06:10.220 there for you know and so it's interesting the younger people it's like look we do not buy into

00:06:14.220 the sort of post-world war ii consensus on politics it's not just labor and tory we're prepared to go

00:06:20.180 elsewhere and that's fantastic because up until this point we've had really i don't know feudal voting

00:06:25.080 in this country where it's just oh no i'm conservative my grandfather was conservative

00:06:28.700 you know my great grandfather was conservative or labor you know and we've always voted labor

00:06:32.240 and these things are actually starting to break apart now and we're actually seeing some light

00:06:36.260 emerge through the clouds which is fantastic but there's uh there's an open letter for people that

00:06:40.820 are saying a sort of reform youth chapter if they start one because the young conservatives chapter

00:06:45.660 has been very successful unfortunately in picking some sort of wet careerist candidates but if you start

00:06:50.080 one with the principles of reform and also saying if you do some policies that go towards enterprising

00:06:56.200 young people getting home and making good on those recent manifesto promises to have families

00:07:00.380 single income payer families then we'll renounce all prior party memberships and specifically join

00:07:04.760 you in campaign for you and it's getting a lot of traction i tweeted out the other day and

00:07:07.500 it's quite a few thousand people going oh sounds good so the energy is is there it's encouraging

00:07:12.020 um that's that's there as well so if you want to sign the open letter it's linked down in the

00:07:16.860 description so naturally as soon as they come along and actually i don't know do some proper

00:07:21.640 reactive conservatism for once the smears start rolling in and the label far right has lost a lot of

00:07:27.300 its power now because they've cried wolf so many times but i thought i'd just go for a few that've

00:07:31.440 come out in the last week against nigel farage who's a big boy and can take it and then some

00:07:35.580 of the candidates and i think they're just getting a bit tiresome so here's here's one um david arinovich

00:07:42.000 who's on bbc radio 4 so so matt tweeted out oppose mass immigration embed national preference take on

00:07:48.280 radical woke progressivism oppose luxury belief class and return to fiscal conservatism as some of the

00:07:52.420 five principles that reform reform are going for and david decided to translate that to deport somalis

00:07:58.220 gaze back in closet cut benefits to the poor what based well did you did you see i sort of then

00:08:05.820 retweeted uh david which actually got reasonably good pickup and i sort of said you know translation

00:08:11.080 deporting uh illegal immigrants is racist number one um and and so and and second thing is that uh

00:08:18.820 so so essentially what i was trying to say is we can play this game of exaggerating what the other

00:08:23.260 person says and that that is a tactic that's quite popular uh in amongst mainstream liberals yeah just

00:08:27.920 a quick thing i mean in what way does this does matt goodwin's statement mention gay right like

00:08:33.920 would the gays not oppose mass immigration i mean i think they've actually got lots of good reasons to

00:08:38.340 oppose mass immigration for certain areas of the world well this i mean that it's a point i'm that i

00:08:42.460 talk about in the book is one of the key components is this idea of what i call fascist scare so we have

00:08:47.220 this term called red scare right which is mccarthyism this idea of fascist scare that if you give an inch

00:08:53.080 on anything to do with culture we're going to have gays back in the closet women back in the home we're

00:08:58.680 going to have you know jim crow segregation again or nazism 1933 and they've been able to essentially

00:09:04.840 get away with that and that's accepted it's not seen as the same as a red scare but it is but

00:09:09.840 ironically it's that lack of ability to sort of give any grounds to the conservative side that caused

00:09:14.540 nazism to flourish and succeed anyway yeah well it was the fact that they took everything to its

00:09:21.040 most radical left-wing position disgusted people and made them think okay maybe this hitler guy's

00:09:25.500 making a point you know not that we want this of course but the the point is you you can't have it

00:09:30.020 just all one way and think that the people on the right have known you've got to accept the most

00:09:34.740 radical left-wing position on everything it's like they don't and they won't right yeah but i mean

00:09:39.020 this is my point about left liberalism though is that it's actually got a check on the economic side it

00:09:44.120 believes in markets but also we redistribution comes out moderate whereas on the cultural stuff

00:09:49.200 there are no boundaries at all and so it is just catastrophism all the way down and it's only we can

00:09:55.180 only progress and if we stop moving then we're suddenly going to give way to fascism and that has

00:10:00.440 been the storyline and and there's just no more no ability to have a conversation that's why immigration

00:10:05.340 is so impossible that's why talking about lgp is so lgbt is so impossible because it's just

00:10:11.720 maximalism or nothing for them well this is what the term far right is meant to do it's meant to be

00:10:15.620 a fill in the blank because as soon as you actually unpack what they think far right is it's the most

00:10:20.500 absurd caricature or if they say fascism or nazism well that's implacable to the particular history and

00:10:25.720 conditions of the uk because we actually in particular the post-war paradigm prides itself upon

00:10:31.360 being particularly nigel farage going to the d-day celebrations every year prides itself upon being the

00:10:36.060 nations where that didn't flourish and it was actively repudiated so if you called us a national

00:10:41.400 socialist from 1930s germany we'd be able to laugh it off because it's so absurd but now they're just

00:10:46.100 going to far right and so they try to hope that people hear that and hear the dog whistle as being

00:10:50.400 nazi and smear you but even that's just lost its rhetorical power now well it's worth saying by the

00:10:55.240 way these taboos yeah they have moved as you say so for example in europe like in sweden the immigration

00:11:01.280 the interior minister tried to talk about immigration levels in 2014 was attacked as a

00:11:06.420 racist in the press and then what happens the sweden democrats say okay fine it's a taboo we're

00:11:11.240 going to break that taboo once they break the taboo then all the mainstream parties then say actually

00:11:15.600 we're going to start talking about immigration too and so that's what's happened so france you know

00:11:19.920 le pen when jean marie won in i think it was 2001 you had like a million people out on the streets

00:11:25.860 protesting and he was on 18 percent marine is on her way to you know presidency or way essentially

00:11:32.380 their numbers are in the 40s not a peep so that the point is that these things do shift the

00:11:38.800 overton window and you can even see it with the labor and conservative parties at the moment they're

00:11:43.100 both campaigning on an anti-immigration platform ed levy said the other day that immigration is too high

00:11:48.420 even with them no way i didn't see that it's only the greens and the smp and plaid comery that are

00:11:53.720 like yes infinite immigrants right and so like farage has done a great job of just shifting that

00:11:58.920 overton window saying no immigration is bad and we're going to reduce it so fantastic yeah and this

00:12:04.080 this scaremongering again clearly isn't washing because uh brian cox the the lesser of the the two

00:12:09.160 hannibal lecters went on uh what was it laura koonsberg show on on sunday and he said uh i find

00:12:15.500 nigel farage slightly fascist frankly it was just what does that mean it's just just just a little bit of

00:12:21.040 jackbooting just just slightly fascist yeah just he just likes the uniforms and the flash cars i'm

00:12:26.460 sure uh and then there was a lord heseltine who oh yeah i like the dig that nigel farage made in

00:12:31.680 2017 is that the last time he came out against brexit because he's president of something called the

00:12:36.340 european movement organization to constantly bring us back into the eu in 2017 nigel farage responded

00:12:41.760 to a clip of heseltine complaining about him then and said oh good someone's interned him from the

00:12:45.600 national history museum um i'm just gonna i'm gonna play this because some of the some of the

00:12:49.300 accusations he makes are again that's sort of like very boomer era hyper absurd caricatures that

00:12:55.260 just aren't washing the reason why um the parties won't talk about the detail is because of the

00:13:03.600 emergence of what was ukip is now reform uh it is the voice of nigel farage and frankly we've had all

00:13:12.440 this before we saw it in the 1930s when mosley marched with his black shirts we saw it in the

00:13:19.200 1960s when enoch powell made that infamous speech and now we've seen it again in uh ukip and reform

00:13:26.820 it is you would put nigel farage and richard tice on par with the likes of enoch powell and

00:13:31.440 mosley yes of course because what they are doing is exploiting that human anxiety that comes from

00:13:41.000 something that is slightly different and all this is not new for us across the world you can see

00:13:47.420 tribalism and racism tearing communities apart to this day um and it is the easiest thing when you

00:13:56.180 have economic pressure in a society yeah let's be frank life is pretty difficult economically at

00:14:02.200 the moment for many many people so you've got to find someone to blame and that's when the farage

00:14:08.420 team move in all right granddad thank you very much i'm sorry just a quick thing it's like yeah look

00:14:14.940 we can see all of these cultural conflicts around the world that are really dangerous and really

00:14:19.460 hurting people so we need to bring them all into our country to make sure they're all here so we can

00:14:24.400 manage them what what's the plan you know well yeah yeah i mean these tropes really it's very

00:14:29.680 interesting it's basically all about this what i would call fascist scare right and and the idea

00:14:35.060 that essentially you should fear majorities any compromise on cultural issues is a slippery slope

00:14:40.920 to fascism so that's kind of yeah i mean it's it's a well-worn uh trope really the hilarious thing as

00:14:47.040 well is that mosley and the people have been posting ever since the eu election swung massively right

00:14:51.380 this photo of the eu yeah the photo of mosley's in in trafalgar square at a rally saying we need

00:14:55.860 closer ties with the eu thank you mr hessel time as the expert on oswood mosley's policies here

00:15:01.820 you know you know power wasn't a fascist he was a member of the conservative party

00:15:05.380 until the most popular until he was turfed out yeah but it but it is interesting this whole

00:15:09.800 question of immigration right i mean essentially on immigration uh there's no such thing as an

00:15:15.060 accommodation it's basically you're either an open quote-unquote person or you're a closed quote-unquote

00:15:20.100 person in which case you're a nazi and fascist and mosley supporter and everything else there's

00:15:24.820 just no flexibility it's very binary totalizing worldview and that's one of the problems with the

00:15:30.220 left the only way they will move is when facts on the ground move as i mentioned with le pen

00:15:34.380 there's a new reality okay maybe we have to adjust a little bit because there's a new reality we have

00:15:38.880 to talk about immigration that's the only way they're going to change otherwise it's the same old

00:15:42.560 slogans it'll come out another thing as well is that nigel frage has been in politics for 30 years

00:15:47.260 everyone he's a very known quantity and what he obviously is is a british patriot and englishman

00:15:53.380 he's obviously not he for anyone doesn't know fascism is essentially uh the totalization of society

00:15:59.380 under the auspices of the state and the state acts like kind of god over society that's obviously not

00:16:03.920 farage's opinion at all in any way shape or form it just doesn't really suit the british character

00:16:09.420 either exactly obviously doesn't suit farage's character i mean there's a reason that he's making

00:16:12.460 free speech one of the main pillars of his manifesto this is not a fascist principle uh

00:16:17.260 there's no i don't know why i say that um i've been doing some reading and i was shocked to discover

00:16:23.260 bizarrely it's not in their doctrine um no it's nigel frage just isn't a fascist like that's the

00:16:29.280 thing they can say well you know feels but no he's not and you're wrong it's literally the only thing

00:16:34.180 i mean you know i've read all the fascist doctrines i know exactly what they thought nigel

00:16:38.100 forage is just if anything the opposite of these things and he doesn't want a totalitarian state

00:16:43.060 but these words are just stretched and manipulated we know that i mean it's interesting because there

00:16:48.260 is so a guy called david rosada who's really does a lot of interesting work on big data the use of the

00:16:54.140 term far or extreme in front of the word right has soared in the press since about 2010 it's been an

00:17:02.680 explosion now it's also there's been some increase in the use of far and extreme left but much less so

00:17:07.760 so there has been this explosion and now there's just this hair trigger as soon as you see anything

00:17:13.800 that smells of any kind of cultural conservatism you just go in on far right that's it i mean i

00:17:18.960 see them describing you it emmett me it yeah the entire organization like everything everything's

00:17:23.480 extreme mega hard far right it's like okay can we just get to the that's a good thing part please

00:17:28.960 because i mean like if what you know i think that we've got a relative concordance on what would

00:17:37.180 be good for the country isn't going to reduce immigration maybe reduce some taxes maybe get

00:17:41.360 people off benefits slightly if that's all right to get them back to work have kids if that's mega

00:17:46.020 extreme hard far right then they are still good things even if that's how you label them okay you're

00:17:51.360 not calling us nazis because we're not nazis we are just conservative and okay well that's a good

00:17:57.180 thing that's fine i'm not bothered by the label you know i'm bothered the fact that you're not doing

00:18:01.460 any of these good things well we i mean so much of the discussion that was underpinned by this kind

00:18:06.600 of moral emotional unseen order you know and i in the book i talk about essentially majority is bad

00:18:13.420 minority is good so you have a negative fearful approach to majority politics and you have these

00:18:19.660 narratives nazi jim crow whatever slavery you know gaze in the closet narratives right right yeah

00:18:26.420 foreign yeah but they have an emotional pickup right so when you wheel that out you get an

00:18:31.320 emotional surge so a lot of this is about playing games with the moral emotions of people and working

00:18:36.140 them up i just i just find it really interesting they can't hark back to british history to do that

00:18:41.140 right so you've got to worry about that thing in germany what the thing we defeated yeah i'm not

00:18:45.020 bothered about that you've got to worry about slavery in america what that thing we defeated yeah i'm

00:18:48.420 not worried about that actually you know we we seem to have been on the right side of all those

00:18:52.220 arguments actually and so don't bother importing these weird foreign things that we were

00:18:56.120 against over to hear to us we're against these things you know call me a nativist if you like

00:19:01.080 but um well that's why none of these smears are working that's why michael hesitating seems like a

00:19:05.060 total dinosaur so what seems to be happening is some forces might have tried to subvert from

00:19:10.460 with reform from within this is the allegations been made in the last day or so so they decided to

00:19:15.420 pay a vetting firm and the vetting firm is vetting.com and it's owned by a gentleman named colin bloom

00:19:21.160 and he worked under boris johnson as the conservative party's faith engagement advisor he's made a cb

00:19:26.080 in johnson's honors list and then resigned when rishi sunak became prime minister and the

00:19:31.060 allegation is that they spent about 144 000 pounds on vetting software and that it wasn't done properly

00:19:37.040 now could have paid me i would have done well well i was gonna say hope not hate we're doing it for

00:19:41.560 free yeah you know richard tice was proud of that that was a bad strategy a few false positives but hey

00:19:47.220 yeah yeah yeah quite yeah so so they've now decided they're probably going to take legal action

00:19:52.960 against this of course the the firm themselves have turned around and said that don't worry we

00:19:57.620 we just couldn't complete the checks in time it's not our fault because the election was called and

00:20:01.340 we are politically neutral um there is no such thing it turns out and richard has given a statement

00:20:07.700 to this and says a professional vetting company was paid a six-figure sum in april to vet reform candidates

00:20:11.700 they prompted a deep dive particularly on social media and adverse press checks received our candidate

00:20:16.440 data but then absolutely delivered nothing suddenly a round of stories appear in the times and

00:20:20.860 elsewhere after nominations close including some stories that are 15 years old something feels very

00:20:25.120 wrong and i've instructed lawyers to pursue this matter vigorously so it isn't that they necessarily

00:20:29.160 let dodgy candidates slip through the net because frankly all sorts of people can have all sorts of

00:20:33.700 views and anything can be taken out of context on the internet and this is something she's going to

00:20:36.580 in the next few years with with zoomers that have fun and make memes this is going to be yeah it's

00:20:41.680 going to become another nothing burger like the term far right the allegations around the leaks

00:20:45.820 and strategic campaign to smear them in the press and the reason i raise this article is because

00:20:49.800 they mention in this telegraph article one of the hit pieces in question and it's on jack aaron and

00:20:55.060 they say quote he described hitler as brilliant at using personality traits to inspire people to

00:20:59.840 action now i highlight this as an appalling hit piece because jack aaron is a viewer of ours hello

00:21:04.500 jack yes turns out yes um many reform candidates are actually viewers of ours because they're sort of

00:21:09.580 like moderate patriotic right-thinking people would you like to find out exactly what jack said because

00:21:14.840 this is mad can we read that quote out again just very quick jack aaron who described hitler as

00:21:19.780 brilliant at using personality traits to inspire people to action okay how's that not true how is

00:21:25.960 it not true that hitler was brilliant at using personality traits to inspire people to action

00:21:30.180 but that's how he took over the country that's literally how he got stadiums of people to listen

00:21:35.700 to him ranting and raving like to say that hitler wasn't a charismatic orator is to simply deny

00:21:41.980 the truth of what happened that doesn't mean he wasn't the enemy it doesn't mean he wasn't evil

00:21:45.680 it doesn't mean we shouldn't have gone to world war ii but just it's like saying napoleon was a

00:21:50.300 brilliant general yeah of course he was a brilliant general but he was still the enemy you know we

00:21:54.160 have to be aware of the facts on the ground well well this is of course the gotcha technique where

00:21:58.720 you're you know a person makes an analytical statement an empirical statement about the world

00:22:03.220 you translate that into no they're making a normative it's an endorse moral statement endorsing

00:22:07.820 yeah and and it's it's the oldest trick i i don't know if you saw there was that monk debate recently

00:22:12.220 with um douglas murray and meddy hassan but hassan tried that on on a couple of occasions and was

00:22:18.740 called out pretty nicely by uh it wasn't murray but his debating partner sort of went through the

00:22:23.760 entire quote and and made made he look like an idiot that's all over meddy's yes well i'm gonna do

00:22:29.380 that here because uh so i've actually spoken to reform candidates the last couple of days and i've

00:22:33.860 learned some information about jack himself turns out that jack would be funny if he was a hitler

00:22:39.300 supporter um he teaches a sunday school class at his local synagogue yeah what's quite strange

00:22:48.480 actually is is in in well in hatfield the sea right yeah all the three main candidates are jewish

00:22:53.520 yeah so it's grant chaps andrew lewin and jack arum oh not not the biggest place for the national

00:23:01.220 front to me i don't think but but there you go okay so so this is jack's quote okay he responded

00:23:06.220 to the times sorry just something imagine that though you know like it's just okay i i have given

00:23:11.700 a historical critique of hitler which is accurate and then suddenly you as a jewish man are being

00:23:16.240 called a nazi by the press you just come on i'm glad they refute their own credibility in such an

00:23:21.960 obvious way so so he said to the times yes hitler was as brilliant as he was utter evil how is that

00:23:27.700 controversial to say given that he was also able to turn germans to such destructive acts including

00:23:31.800 killing members many members of my own family i strongly believe as a psychologist in separating

00:23:35.500 intelligence and talent from morality so we can adequately diagnose these problems and help people

00:23:39.840 and that's why you're a racist that's a totally reasonable assessment yes yeah quite yeah and he

00:23:46.920 said by no means am i saying that hitler or putin or bashar al-assad are good people that we should

00:23:52.420 admire they range from the absolutely ingenious evil to wannabe warlord to weak man born into a brutal

00:23:56.800 regime of death and destruction because they were also alleging that he said that um putin's use

00:24:01.760 of force made rational sense which obviously it did if he felt that he was like you don't have to

00:24:08.920 support the russians or the ukrainians to say that in his own mind he's not insane he's just making

00:24:13.540 logical steps what he thinks is the geopolitical reality and he said that bashar al-assad was weaker

00:24:18.460 because he wasn't trying to be a regional tyrant yeah he was just knocked in a civil war yeah

00:24:24.320 that's isis yeah well yeah that's about it the fascinating things what's this guy's offense

00:24:31.820 it's a nothing burger yeah it's a fascinating thing i found in here it was another smear that

00:24:35.040 they tried to use aaron has also been supportive of the right right wing influencer carl benjamin

00:24:39.460 oh also now i know you're a bad guy now the thing is they haven't pointed out anything that you've

00:24:45.480 said oh really they also mentioned the liz truss interview yeah but they haven't pointed out

00:24:49.380 anything i said they instead say that you're an ally of tommy robinson yeah who apparently has

00:24:53.860 accused jews of pushing identity politics over the holocaust the man who drapes himself in the

00:24:57.860 israeli flag well i mean i don't drape myself in the israeli flag but i mean i mean i think it's

00:25:02.900 fair to say that jewish people do use identity politics i mean everyone seems to use identity

00:25:07.020 politics yeah but the idea that again tommy robinson is anti-semitic when no he said definitely not

00:25:12.660 he said criticisms from people on the right in saying yeah like you're you're bringing

00:25:16.880 an israeli flag to like an english national rally etc etc so he's he has those arguments all the time

00:25:21.680 again it's it's the the reverse now and now it's not now it's a condemnation for saying it for

00:25:26.280 observing a fact yeah rather than endorsement observing facts like can't you just observe the

00:25:30.600 fact you know i'm not making a judgment either way well this is all about sort of taking the worst

00:25:35.180 interpretation of a person's words right and trying to cast attach people to these taboos whether it be

00:25:41.580 around anti-semitism and the holocaust whether it be around racism and jim crow or about gays in the

00:25:47.380 closet it's always coming back to those identity taboos and that's really the core of wokeness as i

00:25:52.220 define it which is making sacred these historically marginalized groups and their narratives and that's

00:25:57.180 if you can key somebody in and tag them with that then you've won quite yeah and then there was

00:26:02.520 another one as well which i won't really bother with this is the ian gribben one i believe that

00:26:06.580 this was something to do with him positing the hypothetical of i wonder what would have happened

00:26:11.000 if hitler had had made the non-aggression pact with the uk would we have been better off wasn't

00:26:16.640 this the overwhelming majority opinion at the time wasn't this what peter hitchens basically thought

00:26:21.020 at one point saying the second world war had lost britain its empire yeah true i mean i don't even

00:26:25.700 necessarily agree with this but it's a sort of wasn't it neville chamberlain we're gonna have peace in our

00:26:29.700 time yeah like they literally all thought they were gonna be neutral on hitler like but have you

00:26:36.080 considered this makes him a national socialist i mean just it's so boring so so just just to wrap

00:26:41.600 up all right so apparently it makes a british imperialist i want to be very neutral with it

00:26:45.560 to preserve the empire yeah yeah so reform riddled with jewish nazis all right so you can't vote for

00:26:50.520 them so what what are the conservatives offering i thought we'd finish with this a little bit of a

00:26:54.200 zero seat schadenfreude um well the conservatives are now actively telling their candidates to apologize

00:26:58.100 for being tories what yeah so this is an internal cchq this is a cchq document that got leaked to julia

00:27:05.640 hartley brewer friend of the show and she says we've compiled template letters scripts endorsement

00:27:09.360 letters and endorsement scripts for you to use and from now until polling day so they're controlling

00:27:13.020 the messaging as tightly as possible the messaging in all of these has been tested and validated trust

00:27:17.020 the experts these letters and scripts will help you get across to voters the choice at this election

00:27:20.460 say you understand people's frustrations with the tories you've often shared them

00:27:24.060 hey i get you hate us i do too vote conservative amazing i mean that's yeah not not not great is it

00:27:32.860 not the best selling pitch imagine getting that from cchq being like yeah we suck and you've got

00:27:38.180 to admit that we suck to the electorate everyone hates us but you've just got to say it and get

00:27:42.000 them to vote for us anyway well do you know who might get them to vote for them the man who did

00:27:46.040 mass immigration and lockdowns they've now got they will boris out off of his family holiday to do

00:27:51.840 um pre-written letters to hand out to various candidates the problem is that rishi sunak said that

00:27:57.720 this was coordinated by cchq and now loads of mps have come out and said well i haven't been told

00:28:02.340 about this i haven't got this boris isn't endorsing me etc etc so they're either playing

00:28:06.460 favorites or it's a real car crash and then the other problem as well is that there are now rumors

00:28:10.660 circulating around westminster which i can repeat that david cameron wants to be the next

00:28:14.980 tory party leader he's gonna ask to be parachuted into a by-election after the election i tell you

00:28:21.380 what farage would better make him lose that if farage can crush cameron that'd be great yeah quite

00:28:27.200 but it is it is worth saying though there is still you know this is what amazes me right i mean a lot

00:28:32.440 of people still think boris is a populist and a lot of tory voters and he actually has an appeal and

00:28:37.760 this is what's a bit frustrating right is you know policy wise he's been a disaster you know mass

00:28:42.760 immigration done nothing on woke etc all the things that that actually annoy tory voters he's been the

00:28:48.060 architect of and yet they don't blame him and they in some of them in some cases they think he's the

00:28:53.260 opposite of what he is so we also have to i think many tory voters do need to look at themselves in

00:28:59.120 the mirror a little bit and say why am i being drawn in by a huckster like this but boris embodies

00:29:05.420 the sort sort of like old english tory that they want to like think is in charge and is being

00:29:12.260 responsible you know he's he's kind of bumbling but he's you know good-hearted he's got he's got a

00:29:17.180 fantastic patter you know he's very charismatic he's likable yeah i like boris when i'm hearing

00:29:22.440 him talk and stuff like that but you are completely correct he's been on the wrong side of every issue

00:29:26.560 since he got elected and it's like god why are you doing any of these things you know you could be

00:29:30.740 super popular but you just did the right thing well the reason he won in 2019 is because frankly

00:29:35.320 farage stood candidates down to allow him to win so why the conservative party think that budget farage

00:29:42.040 who also doesn't have any farage's policies or his credibility is going to win people back

00:29:46.340 from farage himself i think is mad and so now what you've got the conservatives aren't exactly

00:29:51.820 offering very much in terms of strength here but the final thing i just bring you on to is this is

00:29:55.960 the the id of the actual tory party um we've got losers telling them how to lose more so suela telling

00:30:02.820 them telling the party that they must embrace farage i mean farage at this point why would he need the

00:30:07.560 conservative party behind the scenes channels was that it looked like at one point it was going to go

00:30:12.480 one way and that farage thought he'd fold himself into the tories but basically he's come back

00:30:15.860 absolutely stormed it and now he's telling suela and jenrich to fold back in and there were rumors

00:30:21.700 murmurings about defections before standing as a candidate but now some of them have chosen not to

00:30:26.380 we've got tobias elwood and former west midlands mayor who then lost andy andy street sweet street

00:30:32.560 whatever it is um who's saying that oh we must win from the center ground it's like mate your polling

00:30:37.420 actually can't really get much lower if they listen to you they're stupid so far right doesn't work

00:30:43.760 um hello to all the reform candidates watching us you're doing great job lads and don't listen to

00:30:48.500 clowns like the one nation tories of tobias elwood who are going to deliver zero seats i mean i'd love

00:30:52.500 to know what the center ground consists of of this point like what is what we need to say in the center

00:30:57.900 okay what are you arguing for you know a continuation of mass immigration a continuation of wokeism a

00:31:02.840 continuation of everything that we've had for the last 15 years that's been a terrible disaster

00:31:07.540 like what's the what's the positive case for what you want well i think it's basically an economic

00:31:12.840 market liberalism with essentially the woke agenda and mass immigration so i mean there are

00:31:18.660 market pragmatism with gay race communist characteristics yeah but you have parties like

00:31:24.600 this you know on the continent right and like germany has the fdp i mean i know they're not super woke but

00:31:29.180 you have a party that's a market liberal party they get a small number of votes and that would probably be

00:31:34.320 where this party would settle out there is a small market for a kind of market liberal culturally

00:31:39.140 liberal party it's just that most voters are going to go towards the cultural conservative alternative

00:31:43.620 yeah i mean i i wouldn't even mind a sort of a sort of blue labor sort of protectionist uh view on the

00:31:51.220 economy so the sdp yeah i'm not i'm not terribly opposed to it i'm not a massive free marketeer i'm i'm

00:31:57.320 more committed to property ownership than markets that's where most people are yeah exactly

00:32:01.440 scrutonian yeah yeah far more scrutonian so i'd get along a lot better with the sdp types

00:32:05.940 than i would like you know radical thatcher i tory right it's like sorry you guys are like the steve

00:32:12.040 bakers of the world right uh i view them as awful in every way shape or form and if they lose on

00:32:17.640 election day i'm going to cheer anyway uh should we move on yes please right let's talk about immigration

00:32:23.840 because we've hit a new high score don't we love high scores we love winning we're doing so great

00:32:29.800 line go up yeah the line goes up so uh immigration basically is just way beyond most people's

00:32:35.100 understanding uh when polled people think net immigration is somewhere like 60 to 70 000 people

00:32:40.380 a year they just don't know just how bad things are so this is from the office of national statistics

00:32:46.180 i thought we'd just go through just how high the numbers are so in the year ending december 2023

00:32:52.280 they uh revised up their provisional estimate uh of the number just the raw number of people have

00:32:58.440 come in to 1.2 million which is 1.1 million 218 000 which is down slightly from december 2022 which is

00:33:10.240 1 million 257 000 so it's two and a half million people in two years that's mad it's absolutely mad you

00:33:20.480 can see it as well yeah yeah uh this is mostly non-eu nationals uh for example quarter last year

00:33:27.760 quarter a million indians 140 000 nigerians 90 000 chinese 83 000 pakistanis 36 000 zimbabweans

00:33:35.900 and this is uh just a curve that goes straight up so huge numbers have come in and people can

00:33:43.020 genuinely see in the streets um you also have a large number of people emigrating and interestingly

00:33:49.100 the non-eu emigration is going up as well so and i've had conversations with taxi drivers they've

00:33:55.820 given me like barometers on this and i had a conversation one taxi driver was like my brother

00:34:01.280 owns a house in india he was thinking about selling it and i told him don't bother i was like oh why is

00:34:05.240 that he's like because this country's going downhill he's going to want to go back there at some point

00:34:08.200 and i imagine that a lot of people share that opinion you know which is unfortunately true um so

00:34:13.940 but the the net uh uh emigration last year was 532 000 uh which is a lot an awful lot but it's just

00:34:23.420 a drop in the bucket compared to the number more than twice coming in so the net is nearly 700 000

00:34:28.620 out uh coming in and uh you know most of it's uh non-eu nationals and but there are

00:34:35.160 a number one of the one of the questions everyone asks is well is it british people leaving it's like no

00:34:41.680 actually it's not it's about 80 000 brits a year who emigrate uh but also about 80 000 who come back

00:34:47.160 as well interestingly enough so that's not terrible but uh part six in this if i

00:34:52.580 i've got the wrong one i'm still pressing the wrong one

00:34:56.320 you'd think i'd know what i'm doing when you have to

00:35:02.160 right it's gonna use there we go there we go right so um part six in this is the numbers right

00:35:11.500 so this is the the revised numbers so they revised those numbers and said ah actually it was more

00:35:16.500 than we thought uh another 58 000 on top came in and uh a fewer 10 000 fewer left and uh so the net

00:35:26.260 migration has gone up by 68 000 to 740 000 last year uh net which you would think oh well that's

00:35:34.040 a record no actually they revised the 2022 figures as well so that went up to 764 000 net

00:35:39.700 well there's a there's a net outflow of 10 000 brits as well and then if you add oh no no that's um

00:35:45.380 non-eu migration oh that was right right fewer non-eu migrants left right than expected

00:35:51.960 so more of them are staying less of them going um and so the the actual record was in 2022 which

00:35:58.340 was 764 000 net migration uh last year was 740 000 net migration amazing um and so uh the migration

00:36:07.980 observatory um uh talked about this if i can why is this going skipping over the one here we go get to

00:36:14.860 yeah i've got it but um yeah so the migration observatory at oxford are doing a superb work on this

00:36:20.180 and uh they point out that is slightly down but not by much

00:36:24.420 and uh the main contribution contributions to the uh decline were the lower immigration on

00:36:34.860 humanitarian visas so fewer ukrainians and hong kong has came and afghans as well and afghans yeah

00:36:41.260 um and uh there were fewer non-eu students so it's like okay great and so we've got a uh breakdown

00:36:48.000 well it's doing two for some reason i don't know why um right so we've got the breakdown from the

00:36:53.600 government themselves uh and it's encapsulated in this graph and you just look at this graph and

00:36:58.740 you realize this is madness sheer madness right so visitor visa granted as in people who are coming

00:37:05.440 on holiday or just temporarily coming to the country for whatever reason business two million okay fine

00:37:10.240 because they're here for a few weeks they go home don't worry about those right so it's the rest of it

00:37:14.660 it's crazy so you've got 605 000 work visas 562 000 study visas and 79 000 family visas this is the

00:37:23.700 overwhelming bulk but look uh look at the bottom there 756 000 extensions of stay and 129 000

00:37:30.940 settlements so they're people who are already here but just being allowed to stay here for longer

00:37:34.980 i mean it's worth saying that in theory people come in as students should go out and in theory we

00:37:41.960 had a pandemic which cut off immigration and therefore you might have a surge and then you

00:37:45.660 would expect it to decline the problem is in practice almost every time there's been a prediction

00:37:51.360 of decline we've had the opposite and so no one really believes this anymore and until we see

00:37:55.720 substantial declines in in net migration i don't think people i think people are right to be skeptical

00:38:01.260 um i the other thing i will say is this surge has happened in canada australia ireland other places

00:38:08.200 and so it's happening across the anglosphere and it's roiling politics canada for the first time

00:38:14.180 we are now getting a proper debate everybody is agreeing immigration is too high that has never

00:38:19.060 existed in canadian history but isn't isn't something like a third of canada's population

00:38:23.700 immigrant now it's not it's about no it's probably in the 20s like australia it's only only in the 20s

00:38:30.140 you know only a quarter not a third sorry yeah that's that's crazy it is the previous previous highest

00:38:35.040 number which i think you've written about in white shift was about 14 15 percent in the early uh

00:38:41.180 uh sort of ls island yeah in the u.s yes i mean the u.s is a much because it's much larger immigration

00:38:46.740 is actually a much it's a smaller share of its pop it's now up to 14 15 percent but it's not like

00:38:53.020 australia and canada it's like in maybe in the low to mid 20 percent um you know switzerland is

00:38:58.600 probably you know in the 30s it's smaller the country generally the higher the foreign born share

00:39:03.400 all other things being equal and the more noticeable it is as well because i mean another

00:39:09.260 thing that uh america has an advantage of over us in particular is they've got an incorporative

00:39:14.180 ideology they've got a set of rules you can come here do these things wave a flag and be an american

00:39:18.540 we don't really have that which like an you know we're a bunch of ancient tribes on an island

00:39:22.860 we didn't we didn't expect to have millions of people from everywhere in the world come and visit

00:39:28.620 us like sorry what are we supposed to do with this even then america does have sort of

00:39:32.540 ethno-religious underpinnings oh yeah i'm not saying it doesn't the waspishness yeah i think

00:39:36.620 that's always been a bit of a myth and a lot of it was recently invented i'm not saying that it's uh

00:39:41.140 it's been a long-term permanent thing but at least they have something right and i'm not saying it's

00:39:44.740 you know a guaranteed right check the integration or anything like that but at least they've got a

00:39:49.440 national narrative that they can wheel out to the new arrival and say okay well look just you know

00:39:53.120 grab a beer grab an american flag at least we'll have a conversation we don't have that you know

00:39:57.660 what are we supposed to say to these people it's like i don't know get a picture of the queen i don't have a picture

00:40:01.540 biscuit tin nationalism exactly you know what what are we well a lot of it's implicit right i mean

00:40:06.200 it it's kind of had to happen under the radar but there's no explicit you know british dream the way

00:40:11.220 there's an american dream yeah that sort of thing yeah we should be demanding they come to the pub or

00:40:14.680 something right it's like no you've got to come to the mashallah yeah exactly you don't have a choice

00:40:18.780 get a coke if you have to but but the anyway so i thought we'd go through just uh some of the

00:40:23.740 numbers just more granularly because again the the the numbers themselves belie the problem they

00:40:29.360 they conceal the problem right so for example the uh the 562 000 studies well the extensions of stay

00:40:35.880 are mostly for students so okay the students aren't just because you think hey they're here for three

00:40:41.420 years and then they leave no they have three years and then they keep staying and so now another half

00:40:45.300 million have come in and they're going to get an extension so the problem keeps building up and so

00:40:49.260 you say okay but we need the 600 000 people to do work right um no no we don't actually because out of

00:40:55.860 those only 305 000 were actually work visas 290 000 of them are dependents so we're allowing them to

00:41:04.260 bring dependents and the students get to bring family and then we just add 79 000 for just which

00:41:09.460 bring your family anyway it's great and it's just like this is crazy so if you look at the number of

00:41:13.580 people let's assume that the students are taking loans and things like that so they're they're

00:41:17.160 shouldering their own burden right financially well still half of the work visas are people who are not

00:41:22.920 paying into the system you don't you don't pay your student loan back until you start earning 25

00:41:26.520 grand as well that is true so if you're on the delivery economy which a large portion of

00:41:30.740 indian and bangladeshi and sri lankan ones are because they'll just sign on to a degree get the

00:41:35.400 student visa drop out and get the little learner plate moped same with the um health and social care

00:41:40.880 visa as miriam cates got up and said in 2022 to 2023 70 000 of those are issued and only 11 000 vacancies

00:41:46.880 were filled by the end of the year so they've signed up and done it and then just gone no thanks

00:41:50.780 yeah and then they're just somewhere in the country and there's we can't track them we can't

00:41:54.860 do anything about them and so that that's kind of mad isn't it so you know because we said oh we got

00:41:59.880 700 600 000 people coming into work no we don't we've got 300 000 people assuming that they all work

00:42:05.780 because i mean they get access to the benefit system like anyone else so what we can do about it um they

00:42:11.440 say oh we need it for the nhs like maybe we only have 100 000 118 000 uh grants that are given to health

00:42:17.440 and care visas so out of the 1.2 million who are coming less than 10 percent of them are coming for

00:42:23.500 the nhs so okay well i mean if if the argument is the nhs needs them okay i'm happy to buy into it

00:42:28.480 90 of the immigration can go away then all right that's what we're saying because that was that was

00:42:33.300 your concern oh well it's about safe and legal humanitarian routes okay that's 96 000 now we're

00:42:37.780 down to 200 000 so now we've got a net outflow of minus 300 000 if that's what you're saying you know

00:42:42.960 yeah but of course a lot of this is is officials hands being tied by courts and a very expansive

00:42:49.620 judicial interpretations of human rights conventions whereas in most of the world they just ignore this

00:42:55.520 stuff they're signed up but they ignore it whereas in britain the judges just run with it right but

00:42:59.300 then then not even the problem that's the thing so let's assume we we took all of the 100 000 uh boat

00:43:05.080 migrants we took the 100 000 humanitarian migrants we took uh you know any other sort of these

00:43:11.280 categories would still be in a net outflow of hundreds of thousands a year of just people

00:43:16.120 leaving of their own volition right that's that it's really the government rubber stamping visas

00:43:21.040 like they must but all this family reunification stuff is tied into these rights frameworks right so

00:43:27.300 that's where the rights frameworks are pushing against saying no to dependence and and that's one of

00:43:33.140 the big problems is we have to sort of get independence from these very sort of liberal

00:43:38.620 interpretations of these judicial these rights frameworks that are international 100 and i mean

00:43:44.020 you saw in the debate the other day on itv where uh the the scottish national chap was like well of

00:43:49.700 course if a student comes over he should bring his family and for i was like why would you like why

00:43:54.600 would you think that i don't you know when i went to university i didn't take my family with me

00:43:58.220 you know obviously i left my mom and dad at home it's weird that they want to bring their family

00:44:02.960 it's weird um and so this is uh the reason why the country feels like it's full to bursting

00:44:10.080 so i mean for us we're making this point look the traffic on the roads is crazy you can't get

00:44:13.980 a doctor's appointment you can't get a dentist appointment you probably can't afford a house

00:44:17.660 in london the trains are appalling look oh god the trains are just packed all the time the

00:44:22.800 infrastructure can't handle it and yet every year the conservatives allow millions of people to come

00:44:27.200 in and uh so you might go okay well how how many are they deporting uh forced returns for last year

00:44:33.840 had gone up by 70 that sounds good sounds promising that sounds i like i like large percentages uh up to

00:44:41.660 seven thousand seven thousand what they're not telling you as well is that the voluntary return scheme

00:44:48.580 is costing you thousands of pounds at a time yeah because they recently said we've finally sent

00:44:53.360 the guy to rwanda we paid him three grand to go right and and by the way other european countries

00:44:59.420 have much higher return rates oh yeah so this is this is essentially there is some uniquely uh

00:45:05.700 incompetent stuff going on with the tories it's a choice let's let's be optimistic and call it

00:45:10.400 incompetent right let's be optimistic about that uh and so obviously people are just making jokes

00:45:15.180 about this why is that doing that uh people just making jokes about this um oh my favorite

00:45:19.800 independent journalist yeah yeah you know the right-wing meme sphere was like yep we've got

00:45:24.040 new high scores things are great um but actually i mean sky news apparently today uh published uh this

00:45:31.680 uh infused with swindon residents because swindon now one in five people who was born here who lives

00:45:38.140 here was born abroad uh which we learned in the last census right one in five now this isn't the way

00:45:44.020 that things have always been you can go back to 2011 census and it's something like you know one in 16

00:45:47.940 or something like that it's it's been in the last five or ten years that it's like a demographic

00:45:52.520 bomb and you walk through the middle of the town and it's like and it it's not that they're all from

00:45:56.780 any one place either they're from everywhere literally everywhere so there's people from all

00:46:00.280 and it's like what the hell is going on well yeah and then we do need to have a conversation

00:46:05.580 about these cultural things and i i understand why farage is just talking about prices of rents

00:46:10.540 and things but it's easy it's easy but i think it's i actually think in a way we do need to have

00:46:15.520 that conversation about people have a right to have slower change well let's listen to uh

00:46:20.400 these people's opinions i think this is very interesting

00:46:22.480 if it wants to play it's gone a bit too far i think i think some places england you go to there's

00:46:29.680 more you're you're not you're kind of in the turkish but again i did end up taking two of them on as

00:46:35.040 well they work you mean their work ethic is better than most of my guys

00:46:41.040 no it's this guy he can't just leave it unqualified right yes but oh no they're great people i'm sure

00:46:47.680 they are good people and whatnot but it's still like you know you can see he's like oh i'm probably

00:46:51.520 gonna get in trouble for this but you know it's gone too far it's probably worth paying them cheaper

00:46:54.960 it probably is yeah it's the power of the taboos right i mean it 100 is the power of the taboos and

00:47:01.120 it's but it it's so obvious that it's the problem

00:47:09.280 we do need people from around the world to help with um certain jobs you know we're i live near a

00:47:15.040 farming community and they're really struggling with trying to get people to come in how important

00:47:19.680 to me teenagers but no one they're not going to the farms yeah they're not going to the farms they're

00:47:25.600 in our town centers you know that people believe these narratives because they're on the media and

00:47:30.000 they say oh well we need it for the nhs okay but that's literally less than one-tenth of the

00:47:33.680 immigration one now no they're not milling about near diddly squat yeah yeah well there's also a big

00:47:37.760 question of you know are they paying taxes if they're working in the black economy number one

00:47:42.080 number two a lot of public services they're using including roads and if you actually do the math on

00:47:46.880 this anyone who's earning below a certain level is a net drain on the public finances and there's a great

00:47:52.720 uh dutch academic who's a jan van de beek who's done work on this issue is immigration to you well

00:47:58.880 i can't get a job they come to this country they just get a job just like that so when you apply

00:48:03.840 what do they say to you well i've got a criminal record assault assault yeah long ago well i've been

00:48:10.640 out of prison now three years now and so you blame immigrants rather than your criminal record i think

00:48:16.080 right the fact that they can casually go i i hate i hate journalists so much it's sky news they're

00:48:22.800 scum such obvious obvious scum but okay yeah three years ago he got a criminal record okay but he paid

00:48:27.920 his dues in prison and now he wants to get a job well if they didn't have such an abundance of labor

00:48:33.520 then maybe they would be forced to hire the guy and so he could rehabilitate himself and become a

00:48:37.520 productive member of society again yeah and but i also want to you pay attention to that framing that

00:48:42.560 they use the phrase immigrants you you're blaming immigrants because i think we we have to be able

00:48:48.400 to distinguish between immigrants and immigration they're not the same thing actually immigrants can

00:48:53.040 be fine as individuals and we're not blaming them as poor individuals but immigration and the impact it

00:48:59.680 has is can be very negative and that's what he was speaking to because he's he's talking about the

00:49:04.000 amount of competition for the jobs it's a buyer's market yeah for the person who wants the labor it's

00:49:09.680 not a seller's market and so he and she's like well you you blame the immigrants rather than your

00:49:13.360 criminal record it's like well look having a criminal record doesn't mean you should never

00:49:16.480 be able to work again right and it's personalizing it though to mean like yeah you hate this this

00:49:21.760 individual these people and that way de-legitimize de-legitimizes a conversation about immigration

00:49:27.520 levels exactly and you're exactly right it's the immigrants are just following natural incentives

00:49:32.560 you know luckily they're not bad people they're wandering around i mean they're not

00:49:35.680 earning things down they seem to be perfectly okay it's just that we didn't ask for this and

00:49:40.320 it has severe consequences that uh we have to live with but um but anyway we'll leave that bit there

00:49:46.000 and uh we'll go on to the next let's use the mouse form because it's not working um so i mean

00:49:51.120 speaking about economics i'm always loathe to go on the uh the immigration isn't benefiting us

00:49:57.040 economically because it misses the point you know even if it was benefiting benefiting us economically

00:50:02.160 i wouldn't want my high street to look like a bagdad bazaar um but it does uh but anyway the uh

00:50:08.560 center for policy studies put out this uh very long and detailed uh report on how it's not and

00:50:14.160 anyone can tell just when the gdp figures come out we went over this a few weeks ago exactly yeah um

00:50:19.280 yeah and they've they've got a huge i mean they're just like look this just hasn't hasn't worked but

00:50:24.320 probably because we're bringing in so many goddamn dependents you know it's well people from the men

00:50:28.880 apt nations as you're alluding to that that dutch study there's ones uh out of the netherlands as

00:50:33.760 well and denmark and all that uh the people from middle east north africa pakistan and turkey and

00:50:38.880 never net tax contributors across their lifetime and if i don't oppose you know women not working

00:50:45.600 and therefore not contributing in tax but if you're mass importing middle-aged uh uh uh men

00:50:51.760 so uh so like 18 to 50 or whatever and they're not making positive cultural contributions and they're also

00:50:57.280 a net drain on my resources as i'm trying to have a house and have a family no just no you can all go

00:51:02.400 home yeah 100 uh they've got a lot of uh recommendations which should basically stop

00:51:07.040 immigration you can summarize it as uh but the the conservatives and labor are just ridiculous in

00:51:13.120 fact the conservatives are particularly ridiculous and let's just end this very quickly

00:51:16.720 james cleverly being like well labor don't have a plan to cut legal migration it's like are you

00:51:20.480 kidding are you kidding sweller braveman as well again people i like but like you know all the

00:51:27.040 labor aren't going to stop the boats it's like today we found out that record number of migrants came

00:51:32.080 across the channel yesterday 882 in one day and the thing is the channel migrants aren't the problem by

00:51:38.240 any stretch of the imagination tiny tiny percentage but it's just the the stupidity of the conservatives

00:51:44.400 thinking that we don't know what's happened we know you increase legal migration we know you're not

00:51:49.840 stopping boats coming across the channel we know you're just allowing people stay here indefinitely

00:51:54.320 you're not removing people who shouldn't be here and so it's just insufferable and it's reflected by

00:52:00.480 the way in the the polling that oh people don't trust the conservatives on immigration and they're

00:52:04.560 right not to and they certainly shouldn't trust labor either right so anyway we'll leave that one there

00:52:09.840 excellent right i'm just gonna fight the mouse to scroll up fantastic right ah i'll let samson tackle it

00:52:18.640 brilliant thank you very much right so turns out that we're all forced to fund our enemies

00:52:25.040 as we are well aware the civil service in the uk and definitely my enemy various state departments

00:52:31.760 across the us of course are happy to prop up an activist clientele class based on racial ethnic

00:52:37.760 and sexual preference grievances and funnel money to their mates and i thought i thought that was the civil

00:52:42.400 service point well made i'm not even joking am i that's the problem yeah that's very true but we're

00:52:48.960 going to go on a specific example of this because it turns out that there's some questionable funding

00:52:53.440 around an old enemy of ours and an enemy of any right-thinking patriotic person in the uk hope not

00:52:57.520 hate um some colleagues and friends of mine have dug up a bit on their funding and their untoward

00:53:03.680 election interference really yes which i've been told is a conspiracy theory but they're very happy to

00:53:09.200 engage in it but i'd like to frame this because obviously everyone's talking about reform and fraud

00:53:13.440 recently in the reform manifesto so there's been complaints that the reform haven't fully costed

00:53:19.920 all of their election pledges implying the conservatives and the labor are the pinnacles

00:53:24.720 of fiscal responsibility massively blowing up the budget and if we all remember in 2010

00:53:29.440 gordon brown treasury left a note saying there's no money left it's such a circus isn't it yeah it's

00:53:34.960 it's pathetic so basically ifs has complained that reforms manifesto figures might not fully add up but

00:53:41.040 i would like to sort of contend with them so they're saying reforms contract pledges will cost 140 billion

00:53:45.920 a year at minimum so it's 90 billion in tax cuts which they keep saying unfunded tax cuts that just

00:53:50.160 means the government's going to spend and steal and spend less of your money which shouldn't require

00:53:55.120 funding they should have to make the case to actually up them but there we go and 50 billion in

00:53:59.600 spending increases but it says it will raise this through cuts to foreign aid so that's about 15

00:54:04.540 billion in 2023 they're going to halve that so that's good a large amount of foreign aid budget

00:54:09.240 also goes on migration which costs us 14.4 billion a year according to andrew jenkins so we get rid of

00:54:14.260 that as well so the asylum system that's another massive cut stopping servicing the bank of england's

00:54:19.080 debt which is going to be 35 billion every year if interest rates stay at five percent it would even

00:54:23.080 be more than that if they decided to raise them which they keep doing we're the only country in the

00:54:26.740 world that's doing that which is mad uh withdrawing benefits from foreign nationals and also british

00:54:30.960 nationals to turn down two or more jobs because yeah people should be working you shouldn't be

00:54:34.880 scrounging and wearing your burberry like it's the early 2000s and they've also said reform propose

00:54:39.820 to reduce wasteful spending by 50 billion a year across all government departments quangos and

00:54:44.200 commissions but saving this sum would require much more than a crackdown on waste it would almost

00:54:48.080 certainly require substantial cuts to the quality or quantity of public services oh heavens not the

00:54:54.780 important public services the ones that deliver such incredible returns on investment uh how are

00:55:00.980 they going to do that right so richard tyson just turned around and said yeah just sack them good

00:55:04.520 sack the lot of them so to achieve to achieve these these spending cuts uh the party would make a

00:55:09.420 series of critical reforms in its first hundred days this is in the manifesto forcing every government

00:55:13.040 department to do a sort of rand paul principle of saving five pounds in every hundred okay which is

00:55:18.060 great idea you just spend slightly less on frivolous stuff and oh heavens that's the tea budget gone i

00:55:24.120 suppose it's really that penny pinching over at the home office and they said which department

00:55:27.860 wastes the most money and ty said my answer is all of them and some of the quangos there's probably

00:55:31.820 100 to 150 to 200 quangos and commissions just scrap them no one would notice a blind bit of

00:55:35.800 difference actually i think we would notice a blind bit of difference because we wouldn't be actively

00:55:39.420 propagandized against our own national culture against capital w white people or against straight

00:55:45.700 people who just want to have normal families and the reason i say this is because there has been an

00:55:49.120 abundance of evidence coming out from home office insiders fed through to friend of the show works at

00:55:53.420 gb news steven edgington there's just an endless number of cases that in our month of the liturgical

00:55:58.520 calendar of pride the home office are obsessed with putting on pride events so here's just a couple

00:56:02.620 of examples i wanted to depress you eric i save all the best stories for you to come around so here's

00:56:07.700 here's the here's the home office's legal and illegal migration team organizing pride events these are

00:56:12.800 five senior home office officials who sent pride messages to instruct employees to celebrate in june

00:56:17.340 so jackie armstrong is the home office's director of operational capabilities command for immigration

00:56:22.420 enforcement and is also doubles up as the lgbt plus champion for immigration enforcement

00:56:27.680 fire them all fire them all so i'm just presuming that role means if you look remotely gay you get

00:56:33.720 your visa rubber stamped and everyone else is just barred i mean okay she told staff to wear rainbow

00:56:40.020 pallets or lanyards change your email signature to include your pronouns or attend a pride event locally

00:56:45.080 right so she's totally woke yes and she's running our immigration control i wonder if there might be

00:56:50.680 some kind of connection here uh she said that staff should join a home office lgbt session held during

00:56:56.480 the month there is a long list of those that i'll go through in the moment that that is the department

00:57:01.180 by the way there where there were a couple of staff that that were talking violently about uh

00:57:05.840 getting nigel farage right this is the same department would be would be the same one again i wonder

00:57:10.120 if there's some kind of connection there uh home office spokesman himself uh said that these

00:57:15.300 activities are being undertaken outside of core working hours and in no way distract staff from

00:57:19.440 their day-to-day roles where they deliver crucial work the department now i'm really encouraged i i

00:57:23.980 believe them oh that's so so obviously true they just do all of this in their free time and has

00:57:28.560 nothing to do with their work i i'm yeah i'm glad that gay race communism is done purely outside of

00:57:33.000 it's just a hobby the hours spent rubber stamping visas like it's going out of fashion as you once said

00:57:37.180 i'm sure they're limited on the number of visas they can rubber stamp by the sheer size of the home

00:57:40.960 office cubicles if only we expanded the building we would import the entire third world and his

00:57:45.320 three wives into the uk the other one i found really interesting is the home office's lgbt plus

00:57:50.000 champion for illegal migration operational command there is an lgbt plus champion for illegal migration

00:57:56.740 specifically so from the nation of homosexuality they're encouraging mass channel crossings

00:58:02.240 apparently but that's that's very weird and they said not everyone has the opportunity to feel

00:58:05.740 comfortable in who they are and that is for me the important purpose of pride

00:58:09.160 people feel comfortable just just just waving the the uh the triangle flag on the beaches of dover

00:58:17.320 there's a bunch of albanians smuggling across like people from africa and asia and it's like yeah

00:58:22.520 we've got to make sure that they feel comfortable as gay men talking about and will the immigration

00:58:28.380 make lgbt people feel more comfortable well no i mean that's the other sort of elephant in the room

00:58:34.100 have you not considered that as soon as they touch the magic soil yeah okay they become

00:58:38.140 every ardent jihadian just becomes as british as you and me they'll be attending soho's pride parade

00:58:42.940 i'm pretty sure so so when they say all of these events are outside of work hours um don't think

00:58:48.380 that's quite true but we got a list of the events they've got 10 pride events on including book clubs

00:58:53.500 just just a quick thing right i don't care if it was true yeah fire them anyway like if some guy was

00:58:58.120 like well i just attend nazi rallies at the weekend doesn't affect my work at the home office i'm like

00:59:03.120 yeah you still fired me quite so the books in question are like these these rich literary

00:59:09.140 tomes called this arab is queer and hijab butch blues because islamic queerness is at the top of

00:59:17.280 the home office priorities so the home office lgbt network spectrum so it's outside of work hours but

00:59:22.420 they have their own lgbt network within the home office it's curious that they said core work hours

00:59:26.980 that suggests to me they're trying to weasel out of something they would have just said work hours if

00:59:31.060 it was really just they weren't holding anything during work hours we just do all the bombing and

00:59:34.300 overtime that's fine so they're hosting 10 events this month to celebrate pride including two coffee

00:59:39.360 mornings as hang on coffee mornings isn't that going to be exactly on work hours well you think so

00:59:44.120 yeah but core work hours yeah yeah quite yeah core work hours probably about 11 to about three yeah

00:59:48.840 with a two-hour lunch yeah yeah they're going to do a scavenger hunt and picnic

00:59:53.440 what these people are definitely being paid way too much money when are you organizing this for the

00:59:58.560 i haven't organized this scavenger hunt uh and events discussing the history of pride allyship and

01:00:03.220 whether or not you can be lgbt plus and jewish which is strange that's can you be lgbt plus and jewish

01:00:11.000 yeah it's a question to ask isn't it really niche intersectional events going on here

01:00:16.660 yeah quite so so so this is obviously absurd and these are even if you just write this off as a few

01:00:23.260 fringe cases in the home office this is still an institutional culture yeah but okay maybe they

01:00:29.640 aren't wasting tons of money on the party rings and jammy dodgers that are part of the picnic and

01:00:34.120 scavenger hunt right maybe they're not just throwing hundreds of thousands of these organizations that

01:00:39.140 are putting on these events well i'd like to do a test case for how deep the rot goes and let's look

01:00:43.840 at hope not hate so charlotte gill has done some work here she works with woke waste she catalogues

01:00:49.460 all of the various grants that the government throws out for things like um uh gay porn research

01:00:55.460 oh it's insane i've recently started following the woke waste twitter account which you should all

01:00:59.980 follow i'll bring charlotte in at some point yeah you absolutely should because it is crazy they're

01:01:03.420 literally like we you know the government gives a 900 000 pound grant to literally study gay porn or

01:01:08.960 something so what are you wasting all this money for yeah because these government grants of course are

01:01:13.220 issued by people who are woke they capture the grant issuing agencies and then they start sort of

01:01:18.240 wheeling out the grants and yeah if you look at for example the academic research infrastructure

01:01:23.000 but the ukri the share that have basically been going on dei related stuff has been rising steadily

01:01:29.980 so they get onto positions where they can then make decisions on who gets the grants and then

01:01:34.640 it just perpetuates itself they've got to spend the money as well don't they because if they

01:01:38.260 finish a fiscal year with like you know 100 000 pounds shortfall you haven't spent that money well

01:01:42.380 you don't need that next year so they won't get that for the next year and so they have to

01:01:45.780 continue spending upwards yeah well here's one investigation that she's done into the paul

01:01:49.880 hamlin foundation now paul hamlin as i understand it was an infamous ref famous rather refugee has

01:01:55.520 become an infamous foundation now and since he's died his sizable estate of multiple millions has been

01:01:59.920 spent on open borders activism was pretty nakedly on their own website uh they're raised on debt

01:02:06.020 rates actually open borders so so charlotte includes a link to their migration page which as soon as she

01:02:10.440 posted this thread it's been taken down but on it it was written that uh we envision a world in which

01:02:16.140 everyone is free to move and no one is forced to move so that's their that's their entire modus

01:02:20.780 operandi right they're registered charities so that means they get all the benefits from tax breaks and

01:02:24.680 tax write-offs and like this was actually the group that liz trust mentioned in our interview when

01:02:28.800 she said it was run by a former ed milliband advisor sorry this has just given me visions of

01:02:32.480 reforming the british empire no no we were just free to move to africa and asia what are you talking

01:02:38.520 about quite so so she found that the hamlin foundation gave hope not hate 60 000 pounds in

01:02:44.800 2015 and 2016 and 240 000 pounds to be spent between 2022 and 2025 this is part of its migration fund and

01:02:52.860 it aims to do two things says to quote create a uk network of young migrant leaders so young migrants

01:02:59.940 agitating for bringing in more migrants excellent self-perpetuating cycle and quote a network of

01:03:05.820 leaders and organizations within towns who will respond to local needs and pressure points and

01:03:10.320 share learning to enable rapid response to provocative elements essentially right so this is the stand up

01:03:15.360 to racism crew that are going to get funded and organized through this roving bands of communist

01:03:20.400 agitating leafletters and by the way it's not ridiculous to call them communists literally the head of

01:03:24.700 research is a member of the communist party who in 2013 attended a rally and said hope not hate we are all

01:03:28.980 comrades celebrating the anniversary of the red army victory i don't even care if they think it's

01:03:32.520 ridiculous i think they're communists but even if they were just left liberals which i actually

01:03:37.020 think many of them are as well i think equally problematic in many ways yeah but that's like

01:03:41.700 saying you know we we have a nice glass of water and we drop one little bit of excrement in it i'm

01:03:46.700 still not drinking the water i'm going to call the whole glass excrement if you don't mind so so they

01:03:51.260 are they're already just a charity as i said there are here's the charity foundation website page do you know

01:03:55.820 who else's hope not hate actually which is strange because they're engaged in political activism and

01:04:01.660 and as far as i know because i so backstory i used to work for an environmental non-profit and we tried

01:04:06.640 to become a registered charity because of all the benefits that our trustees would be able to then

01:04:09.720 donate to us and not spend so much money on tax and the like we were denied because one of our

01:04:15.140 members had written a piece critical of extinction rebellion so we violated their political partisanship

01:04:21.020 oh really but hope not hate do an interesting thing of where they have a charitable foundation

01:04:25.280 and then hope not hate is completely distinct even though they share the same website really yeah so it

01:04:31.920 would be something that the charity foundation the the the body that oversees this might be interested

01:04:37.580 in looking at if they were applying the standards of political partisanship fairly well all i'm saying

01:04:43.160 is if people say politicians got enough complaints about this maybe they might actually

01:04:48.960 uh nudge the thing and start making it happen but so much of these this is complaint driven and if

01:04:55.160 the left is more active which they are we know they're five times they punch five times above their

01:04:59.280 weight on twitter and in many of these fora and so they are able to put in all the complaints it's

01:05:04.180 like with ofcom similarly against gb news so they put in the complaint so they get the action on their

01:05:09.060 side so we've got to start complaining too right and we need to weaponize the sort of boomer karens

01:05:14.200 spiritual karen is yeah i agree no i god god save our karens you know i get complaining it is an

01:05:21.000 anti-white slur i i i actually it's quite interesting i'm an anti-traditional slur as well

01:05:26.120 i'm more thinking if richard tyson the like are looking at exact areas to trim the fat various places

01:05:35.340 signed up to the charity commission many of the employees at the charity commission themselves might

01:05:39.040 be eligible for a job loss because they're not um abiding by the principle of political impartiality

01:05:44.560 which again i understand it's basically impossible to uphold but they're not very not very patriotic

01:05:49.440 they decide to walk around and smear people and they're also maybe not doing everything quite so

01:05:53.780 legal oh really so there's been an expose by my friend jack hadfield who works over at the publica

01:05:59.480 which is uh sydney watson and the quarterings uh and he's done some on the ground journalism some

01:06:03.620 actual like beat reporting because jack's good lad he is a good man um so what's happened is hope not

01:06:09.680 hate are working with labor campaigners in rochdale to smear george galloway really so the you know

01:06:16.940 apolitical charities are allowed to do that well also um i does does that not count as like

01:06:22.820 undisclosed essentially campaign finance leafleting because they get certain restrictions on that from

01:06:28.420 electoral commission but if your campaigners are working for a supposed charity and then a leaf

01:06:34.720 licking against your campaign candidates that might be something questionable but but but there

01:06:39.040 you go the electoral commission would like to look at that yeah that'd be good so so read it from here

01:06:43.080 a number of investigative journalists went undercover in the hope not hate campaign and

01:06:46.560 rochdale discovered strong links and close relationships between hope not hate and the

01:06:49.660 campaign of rochdale's labor candidate paul war in hidden recordings and i've seen the transcripts for

01:06:54.180 these an activist for hope not hate repeatedly told undercover investigative journalists that he was a

01:06:58.120 campaigner and activist for labor quote we just want to get galloway out when the journalists asked

01:07:02.100 if they were planning to go out with paul and campaign they said they weren't as the areas have

01:07:06.440 already been covered by his regional support in the labor party with the activists adding we kind of

01:07:10.420 want them to win by a big margin so labor are actually with their activists organizing around the places

01:07:16.220 where hope not hate are campaigning and then not spending money and effort in those areas who could

01:07:21.620 have imagined that hope not hate was an extension of the labor party yeah it should actually surprise no one

01:07:26.280 because um hope not hate's director of campaigns and communications was also a former labor counselor

01:07:30.160 shocking i wonder how jess phillips did a targeted letter writing campaign against liz truss

01:07:38.900 off the back of hope not hate i just i just boggles the mind right and yet under the conservative

01:07:45.800 government under the institutions nominally controlled by the conservative party the taxpayers

01:07:50.320 alliance have found that hope not hate got 50 000 pounds in government grants in 2019 and 2020

01:07:55.600 so atop the paul hamlin foundation grants they're getting grants directly from government

01:08:00.840 bodies these are alongside uh so this is six government departments and they provided migrant

01:08:06.060 help stonewall refugee action hope not hate and insta law with seven million six hundred and ninety

01:08:11.980 four thousand four hundred and eight pounds in grants from between 2018 and 2021 i bet these guys

01:08:17.440 can't believe their luck but like the conservative party is actually giving us money to go out and say

01:08:22.300 we hate the conservative party this is incredible yeah well of course that and the entire dei

01:08:26.960 infrastructure i mean this has been been written i think there was a piece in capex that that i think

01:08:31.660 was 200 million was that was the estimate for the amount of money that's going on this stuff

01:08:36.160 enormous resources and the tories have hardly touched this now the question of course this raises is

01:08:41.700 when labor gets in now i mean the tories didn't touch it they at least some politicians

01:08:46.460 esther mcveigh etc did make a certain amount of noise might that have restrained it a little bit

01:08:52.920 and might we see a surge in pretty open um you know pro-left dei stuff once labor gets in it's hard

01:09:00.020 to believe that we won't yeah what would be the reason that that would right you know with the

01:09:04.140 online safety bill they're going to appoint ofcom again another partisan attack dog against the likes

01:09:09.700 of gb news the arbiters what can and can't be said on internet broadcasting channels and the burden

01:09:15.920 will then be to set the standards by which they can censor so they'll obviously outsource it to

01:09:19.880 expert institutions and registered charities like hope not hate who have already done annual smear

01:09:25.860 pieces in their state of hate report that again conflate people like the national front with you

01:09:30.700 and priti patel yeah tenuous links but there you go so there's no link at all yeah that will be

01:09:38.760 the manufacturer consent to go after us um and they've also got an even more sizable war chest because

01:09:42.780 of that money from from that year uh they didn't just get 50 000 pounds in 2019 from various

01:09:48.440 government bodies um the home office also gave them a dedicated 141 380 pounds why aren't they

01:09:54.960 giving us this money like why aren't they giving it to hope not because we don't hate the country

01:09:59.240 good point yeah so the home office who were for some reason obsessed with lgbt issues as they're trying

01:10:06.040 to deter people from breaking the law and breaking into the country are also obsessed with giving hundreds

01:10:10.780 of thousands of pounds to communist activists who criticize you as far right if you notice the problem

01:10:16.620 so that money they spent watching the liz trust interview was a tax rebate it turns out so i would

01:10:24.220 just like to suggest to reform uk if you're adding things to your sort of policy agenda as you go along

01:10:28.660 defunding these sorts of organizations reforming the charity commission application system and

01:10:34.460 gutting the home office as well as the charity commission would be a good start stop funding hate

01:10:38.800 and with that we'll go on to the written comment shall we yeah um so uh sad wings raging uh since

01:10:46.560 soup chat uh and says the history of the london school of fabian socialism economics when uh

01:10:52.960 i haven't got it planned but that would be an interesting that would be an interesting dive to

01:10:56.540 do actually you you put some of the stuff about the fabian society in uh weinshaft didn't you

01:11:01.300 um the fabian society well i mean this this is sort of part of the history of british uh the british

01:11:07.460 left um i mean they have a history going back you know so they they at one point supported eugenics

01:11:12.260 right so yeah i mean these things go through a lot of shifts over time but i think it is that kind

01:11:17.380 of not communist soviet aligned but this kind of left liberal soft left socialist that that sort of

01:11:24.180 strand is really behind where we are in terms of dei and woke you know it is that blend of that kind

01:11:30.260 of humanitarian because really the marxists were not humanitarian at all um but it's this element of this

01:11:36.180 humanitarian socialism that gives us that lands us where we are in the sort of john lennon world

01:11:40.980 oh yeah we were talking about earlier the wokeists are consciously an extension of the socialist uh

01:11:47.060 the fabian paradigm of incremental socialism they recognize themselves as part of that tradition

01:11:51.860 sorry there's apparently there's some breaking news uh just stop oil have sprayed stonehenge

01:11:56.980 orange on the eve of the summer solstice thank you climate jihadians oh leave us alone for christ's

01:12:03.380 sake you know this is this is another thing that reform needs to do in in future when raise global

01:12:08.820 temperatures uh actively burn tires in your front garden no i was going to say just prescribe them

01:12:13.940 as terrorist organizations literally you should just be like british communist party prescribed

01:12:17.300 just up oil insulate britain extinction rebellion or hope not hate prescribe them yeah this i mean

01:12:22.980 ruining like ancient monuments that we have a responsibility to pass on future generations

01:12:27.300 absolutely unacceptable um uh jammin also says uh congratulations on your engagement oh thank you

01:12:33.140 very much i appreciate it um josh the jew hendon reform candidate uh i am a reform candidate for

01:12:39.860 hendon and i'm furious that no one has put out a hit piece against me am i not based based enough is it

01:12:44.740 because i'm jewish clearly not well yeah well we know it's not because you're jewish uh maybe you're

01:12:49.220 not jewish enough they're happy to call as many reformed jewish candidates uh nazis as they want

01:12:53.940 uh but yeah you need to get out and be more based i'm afraid john umar says i do i do wish

01:13:01.140 all the reform candidates luck by the way oh yeah i just want you boys to absolutely storm it yeah me

01:13:06.260 too i really really want reform to do well because the tories have to be killed uh omar says uh electorally

01:13:12.500 electorally at the polls yes um the problem with the left uh that the left has with implying their

01:13:19.380 opponents are nazis is the main bite behind the accusation is anti-semitism and they just spent the

01:13:23.780 last few months advocating the genocide of israel so nobody has done a better job of destroying the

01:13:27.780 left's best weapon than the leftists themselves that's a good point actually you know no one no

01:13:33.220 one condemns napoleon for invading other countries nobody cares about any of that it's the genocide

01:13:38.340 that makes the nazis so uniquely evil and uh it's like it's like the uh normal donald joke that you

01:13:43.940 know people say hitler was such a hypocrite and they said hypocrisy was the worst of it i think it

01:13:48.020 was all the genocide yeah oh ph uk says uh enrichment is like having your country being

01:13:54.260 turned into a shithole diversity is having to be told your culture isn't any better than

01:13:59.140 everyone else's and he says some other things i'm not gonna reply uh grant says nigel farage is

01:14:04.180 nowhere near as based as enoch pal uh obviously true uh tech heresy says uh what's wrong with enoch

01:14:10.020 take that cudgel from them just ask what's he wrong well that's the thing i've i've i did a thing

01:14:14.900 with calvin robinson a while ago saying look enoch pal was actually quite moderate he was a civic

01:14:18.340 nationalist yeah he was a civic nationalist he was quite temperate in his predictions he said look

01:14:22.420 it could be that in the future that birmingham would be one-third immigrant it's like no birmingham

01:14:26.660 is now one-third english so it's twice as bad he massively understated what the demographic change

01:14:33.300 could look like well lots of the quotes in his speech as well were quoting constituents exactly yeah

01:14:38.500 i mean enoch pal himself was a classicist so he looked at things in a sort of old world paradigm

01:14:44.740 which doesn't sound good to the liberal but he's not as they think that he was he was it seems to

01:14:51.620 be quite a reasonable champ yeah i mean i think he a lot of what he was saying i think would resonate

01:14:56.340 in terms of trying to protect ways of life and slow down chase now he did obviously say some

01:15:00.740 inflammatory things as well but i think it's worth saying that a lot of what he said actually uh you

01:15:06.500 know about slowing change resonates very well now and a lot of the predictions came to have come to be

01:15:11.380 not all of them i mean it's not as though the black man's having the whip hand but but still a lot

01:15:15.620 of the conclusions around the scale and of change actually have been borne out that i think that was

01:15:21.940 a metaphorical statement i don't think he meant right and if you were to frame it in the the the

01:15:28.100 context of hate speech laws well they only seem to affect the majority white population actually so

01:15:33.380 again metaphorically again he seemed to um fairly pressing on a few things uh anyway george says

01:15:41.300 good thing nige purged all the bad people from his party so that this sort of smearing wouldn't happen

01:15:46.260 what a brilliant political strategist he is so i have i have contentious take on this and so you should

01:15:51.860 not have capitulated to hope not hate you do not let your enemies sit in terms of engagement but if you

01:15:57.940 are going to select political candidates select people that understand optics because some of them

01:16:03.540 have been um okay some of them have been the brash kind of impassioned boomers that i would happily

01:16:10.660 live alongside and have as an eccentric neighbor but would i trust them to be an mp and fix the

01:16:15.140 problems no sure but their counter argument would be well the election was foisted on us at very short

01:16:21.140 notice we had to get 600 candidates pre-election they were doing this pre-election sure but they i think

01:16:26.500 they've been caught on the hop yes and have had to run to catch up so uh to be honest with you i

01:16:31.300 think they should just come out and say look we're the ones going up in the polls you're not shut up

01:16:34.180 that's what that's that's their new line that's their new line that's what that's what and nigel

01:16:37.700 have been saying and and that's a much stronger way of doing it rather than capitulating to

01:16:42.980 favorite home home office patron hope not hate yeah yeah i can't stand seeing it um anyway uh

01:16:48.900 suits the red coat says you know i feel sorry for the actual far right imagine being a neo-nazi and

01:16:52.500 being compared to people like notable gay jew dave rubik i don't feel bad for them

01:17:00.740 yeah there's that's that's the problem with the far right is that they've got a real image problem

01:17:06.820 uh ewan says when nigel lost in thanet david cameron got a load of people down on a coach

01:17:10.820 to have a party the man is utterly abhorrent i wish him the worst did you see him joke with was

01:17:14.820 it k burley the other day about why didn't you set the barometer for the

01:17:18.660 leave referendum to be two-thirds of the majority instead do you see that yeah it was on sky news

01:17:23.380 and they were laughing and joking about it and david david cameron was and just goes no no you

01:17:27.460 know we we had we had to respect the the results of the demographic the democratic mandate ha ha ha

01:17:32.820 essentially like if you would have rigged it against us you absolutely would have yeah um

01:17:37.540 oph uk again says uh there are lots of good immigrants but way too many bad ones to keep important more

01:17:42.580 and the thing is it doesn't matter if they were all angels you know that's the thing that's not the

01:17:48.820 well yeah i mean i used the metaphor of you can you criticize the nhs without someone saying oh

01:17:55.700 you're criticizing our doctors and nurses it's the same logic right you can criticize immigration

01:18:00.820 right without necessarily saying i don't like ahmed the the guy in the kebab shop it's not the

01:18:07.220 same question and yet that's always the way it's collapsed and the thing is the immigrants

01:18:11.140 themselves recognize this when you speak to them they're like oh yeah there are too many people

01:18:14.820 here it's like yeah yeah i agree uh grant says uh that journalist you wonder how many english

01:18:22.420 working class she went to before she found someone who isn't that articulate say something

01:18:26.180 true in a clumsy way so she could grab her sound bites to support the upper class lefties

01:18:30.580 in their undeserved sense of superiority yeah i i really despise this kind of attitude that the

01:18:36.420 london journalists take towards people like you see them doing it all the time and they'll like

01:18:40.660 look at the camera and it's like oh you same as the politics joe one where they went around

01:18:45.380 clacton recently and the guy just said look being called race is boring now it's boring they put out

01:18:49.540 the clip going essentially look at look at this ignorant troglodyte that lives in clacton everyone

01:18:53.460 was going yeah i agree with him yeah i think he's got a good point what's his manifesto

01:19:01.220 charles says uh being sentenced to jail isn't a sentence to never work again yeah exactly the

01:19:05.940 point i was making yeah okay three years ago he got out of jail he should be allowed to get a job

01:19:10.020 again you know these are also the same people that say the entire criminal justice system is racist

01:19:14.260 yeah exactly until it comes to a white guy um zaranek says uh regarding needling people for jobs

01:19:20.420 people aren't doing it's basically thomas soul quotes you get more of what you subsidize you want

01:19:24.740 people you want to pick other people's garbage it was what i heard when i was a kid that's a great

01:19:28.500 point and you you do get exactly what you subsidize so are we subsidizing fruit pickers you know no

01:19:33.940 the hilarious thing was at school when i got told you know oh if you don't work hard you'll become

01:19:37.940 a bin man and it's like but they're making more than you yeah they get like 40 right

01:19:43.140 i'm just a resentful spiteful teacher who i don't find particularly credible why would i care and they

01:19:47.220 get to stay in good physical condition because they're moving and they have friends that they

01:19:50.580 actually like but it's also a noble profession like yeah i i like the fact that you help keep our

01:19:55.460 civilization clean and tidy yes one of the few parts of my council tax i'm not resentful about

01:19:59.860 is the bin collection you know like we we got a thing through from swindon council the other day

01:20:06.340 80 of council tax is redistributive as it's it's you know money they're spending on like

01:20:14.100 quality of life things for disadvantaged people and stuff like that it's like oh my god scrounger i'm

01:20:18.660 disadvantaged i've got four kids you know i need that money um um charles says hey let's see lately i've

01:20:26.260 been seeing a lot of facebook shorts from the labor party when you check out the comments the

01:20:29.460 ill support reform and are ripping into keir starmer yet nigel farage's clips show great

01:20:33.140 support for reform it sounds to me that label will likely still win this time but i don't understand

01:20:37.220 how um i don't think they're going to win as bigly as they expect i think farage might actually be able

01:20:43.140 to pull out um quite a surprise i mean we've still got what two and a half weeks until the election and

01:20:47.780 farage has come this far in less than two weeks i think the big the big tell that will move it over

01:20:53.620 the line is if he gets his ask of being in the leadership debate because he keeps staying above the

01:20:58.180 conservative because they've now done an extra question time whether it's just farage and the

01:21:01.860 greens they've stuck like the smp and or and the lib dems alongside the conservatives and labor

01:21:07.140 fraud is like i'm the third or second party in the polls now gimme and and so if on the last week

01:21:14.340 we get a three-way leadership debate and he just tears into them that'd be so great

01:21:18.820 because he means i watched the two itv debates and he was smashing it yeah absolutely i mean

01:21:23.300 he's got he's right that's the the problem that they all have is that he's correct on the issues

01:21:29.700 and they're all wrong on the issues and he's speaking the the truths that a lot of people

01:21:33.220 know do you know he's the only one telling it straight in many cases right and he's just a

01:21:37.620 superb orator he's a great talker you know he's had many years of practice uh omar says i despise

01:21:44.660 the implied entitlement for foreign foreigners to be given access to native lands the only valid reason

01:21:49.140 needed to deny them entry is because we don't want them but the lord of the land doesn't care

01:21:53.300 for the opinions of us serfs and that's a great point from the uh the woman's thing so you know

01:21:57.940 you've got a criminal record they don't come from here like they haven't got a right to jobs in britain

01:22:02.980 we also are now the number one country in western europe the third country in all of europe for crimes

01:22:09.860 committed by people of foreign extraction so we are actually just also important criminals

01:22:13.300 uh well weirdly the vetting process hasn't been superb uh oph uk uh says the uk has three and a

01:22:20.020 half non has had three and a half non-british pm and they're they've all been conservatives disraeli

01:22:26.100 churchill boris and sunak how diverse is that so yeah i mean i mean there's no point arguing about

01:22:32.180 racism with the left because they literally don't care the the slightly hilarious thing though is that

01:22:37.780 all of the south asian and middle eastern leaders that have been installed in the last few years

01:22:45.540 have all failed miserably yeah so it has been an active repudiation that diversity is is actually

01:22:50.740 not a strength on its own so grant says canada is really different from england though the average

01:22:55.620 canadian was predisposed to be welcoming and tolerant but we're welcoming and tolerant

01:23:02.100 we're nice we just don't have the ideology we don't apologize for everything yeah yeah

01:23:07.620 i mean i think these are these are sort of shades of gray it's not black and white uh but but he's

01:23:12.340 right there that that there's been a big change and it's an unprecedented at least since the 1950s

01:23:18.020 i'd say shift in the tone of canadian media and commentary on immigration so that's one to watch

01:23:24.020 um very surprising yeah what do you think of uh pierre poliove pierre poliove um i'm a little wary i

01:23:31.940 think he is at least better than the previous unbelievably wet canadian conservative leaders but

01:23:38.180 i'm also worried by how little he does hasn't talked about immigration hasn't gone after the

01:23:42.500 liberals on immigration he's been weak on culture wars reluctantly when dragged there eventually

01:23:48.580 comes late to the party now i am told that he's keeping his powder dry and so i guess a lot will

01:23:54.820 depend on what he does he's promised to defund the canadian broadcasting corporation the equivalent of

01:24:00.500 the bbc so that will be one thing that we're watching and then we'll see what he does on a whole

01:24:06.180 bunch of these other things including immigration so it's let's just hold fire on that okay if he's

01:24:11.700 keeping his powder dry i do love watching him dealing with journalists though yeah he's like

01:24:16.420 there's very few people who are better than just where who said this why how and they just stumble

01:24:21.780 into nothing and i the bit with the apple was hilarious just genuinely he's a very very very

01:24:27.700 good debater and he's always skewering uh trudeau which is great um so so fingers crossed i've got

01:24:33.460 a canadian and he's he's well he's well in he's well ahead in the polls he's he's as ahead in the polls

01:24:38.020 as labor's ahead in the polls here so all right so some at least there's some light on the right in

01:24:44.020 the end of the tunnel for canada um the unbreakable litany says we need immigrants for the nhs i just

01:24:50.180 got back from visiting someone in the hospital the nurses were fresh off the boat and rude i would

01:24:54.660 seriously recommend getting private insurance if you are ethnically english good luck affording it

01:24:58.580 yeah well you you you're on you're on the waiting list otherwise so uh arizona desert rat says i think

01:25:04.340 that a lot of western societies have lost sight of is the fact um i think that this is a lot of what

01:25:09.940 the western societies individual immigrants can be good but they can also be bad each individual

01:25:14.260 needs to be seen as their own person not part of a conglomerate media needs to quit lumping them

01:25:18.660 all in together it must be on a case-by-case basis yeah but the reason they do that is entirely

01:25:23.300 tactical in order to make you a bad guy for daring to criticize immigration so you know but

01:25:28.660 look at poor ahmed here and it's like yeah no everyone loves an ahmed i don't know who

01:25:32.420 ahmed is um i'm sure he's a lovely guy right

01:25:34.980 ru the day says uh immigration consensus we like when brown people work on the cheap actually

01:25:41.780 who will serve off coffees in pret yeah there is i always wonder if there's a kind of

01:25:48.420 colonial angst from the sort of upper and middle classes on this it's like but we used to have loads

01:25:55.380 of foreign servants like you know do we have why can't they serving my coffee in pret anymore it's

01:26:00.980 like well look you could have a teenager serving your coffee in pret it'd be the same thing and

01:26:03.860 it's like no i need i need a brown person why you know i mean i'm you know just joking obviously

01:26:09.140 i'm sure they don't think that but like it does have that kind of shade to it where it's like

01:26:14.180 weird you know that you think that you should have underlings so there was a kelly osborne where

01:26:19.700 she was like who will clean your toilets don't trump and everyone on the panel went whoa whoa

01:26:23.700 shut up shut up shut up who will serve our coffee in pret who will clean our toilets it's like okay this

01:26:27.380 is getting weird actually you know i i'm sure that's not what they're thinking but it seems to

01:26:34.260 like be blurted out every now and again yeah yeah the mask slips that yeah there's this idea that we

01:26:38.820 want a developing world proletariat so that to do our our dirty work who's going to deliver my chinese

01:26:44.660 yeah yeah like you know cook your own food you know cook your own food but there's also teenagers

01:26:50.260 need jobs um threadnaught says uh spraying stonehenge stonehenge orange treason and the

01:26:57.300 penalty for treason used to be permanent um i mean it's not treason it's just massively disrespectful

01:27:02.900 and i hate it um he also says congratulations connor thank you this future mrs tomlinson are very happy

01:27:09.700 uh and sad wings raging says uh thanks to the moderator here i know that uh pitta i know the pitta that

01:27:16.980 job is modding viva what on earth does that mean i have no idea i have no idea what that means uh

01:27:22.180 read the day says today's podcast is really radicalizing me against paying taxes

01:27:28.020 i i tell you i hate you end up knowing where your taxes are going and it's just like oh god

01:27:33.300 did you see um ed balls interrogating faraj about the tax cuts yeah i don't again if ofcom were applied

01:27:40.020 properly given that he is the husband of the presumed to be home secretary how he's allowed to do that

01:27:46.660 is questionable but there's no neutrality in the institutions no if you didn't say it for anyone

01:27:51.860 didn't say it uh basically faraj is like yes we're gonna give everyone you know x percent tax cut

01:27:56.260 and ed balls is like oh that means that the rich are gonna have more money get more of their own

01:28:00.340 money ed but that's only because they earn more money than the poor but it's not just that the tax

01:28:04.340 cuts coming from the bottom he's raising the threshold for your tax-exempt income to 20 20 grand and

01:28:08.340 then you also have a 25 marriage tax allowance that can be transferred if your partner doesn't work so

01:28:12.420 for example like if my future wife wouldn't work i could get 30 grand tax exempt which means i could

01:28:17.780 take care of my kids but the thing is ed balls is struggling with the per capita problem

01:28:24.740 because like yeah no ed that that is true that the rich people will have less of their money taken

01:28:29.140 away than the poor people because percentagely wise that's how that works um but it was just

01:28:34.020 insufferable to watch i was just like he's being deliberately disingenuous before i was like no

01:28:38.420 it's a percentage it's a percentage that's literally all you need to say it's per capita ed

01:28:42.820 um jjw says uh replace civil servants with ai no ai egregore don't do it don't do it i don't know

01:28:50.340 i mean like that's what people are pushing for there's two camps at the moment among gen z some

01:28:54.020 of them want a strong man and some of them want governance by ai and who's gonna be calibrating

01:28:56.980 the ai the experts i mean well we've seen google ai right yeah yeah all the black nazis yeah yes yeah

01:29:04.420 warlord wu to tai says my taxes are funding this yeah all of our taxes are bloody funding this

01:29:10.980 omar again says reform need to implement a policy of executing anyone that destroys

01:29:14.660 pro charities i don't think they're going to go quite that far um arizona desert rat says if you

01:29:19.220 do not agree with uh i ensure i will ensure your indoctrination you have no choice i'm not sure

01:29:25.300 uh so my house says so i'm currently working on my student visa to the uk first of all a

01:29:29.700 1500 surcharge for the nhs is crazy for a one-year visa secondly the visa website keeps telling me

01:29:35.620 to register to vote that's true yeah students can vote students can vote why the hell would foreign

01:29:41.300 students foreign students yeah they can vote in the uk now in this election really yeah yeah well

01:29:47.300 non-citizens yes okay so i i i think the reason is in 2014 rishi sunak released a paper that said the

01:29:55.060 the changing face of britain or something like that and he said that disproportionately um

01:29:58.500 indian immigrants vote for conservative parties right and so there's a massive amount of indian

01:30:02.740 students so the conservatives are literally replacing the electorate with one that more

01:30:07.620 favors them it's the bertolt brett quote of the people are insufficient we must elect new people

01:30:11.220 yes yes so so and and so in their manifesto as dan went over and it broke economics yesterday which

01:30:15.140 is excellent go watch it because he's so exasperated it's hilarious um they say that we're going to

01:30:19.620 we're going to make um immigration from commonwealth nations easier so that means india

01:30:24.340 sophie says uh they're going to attend soho's pride parade i'm sure i mean yeah they could uh i'm not

01:30:33.300 gonna read that sophie not reading that sophie and you know i'm not reading thank god we're out of

01:30:40.420 time on that yes right yes thank you thank you for for pete for selecting the most fed post of your

01:30:45.460 comments uh thank you for joining us eric we'll be back in half an hour for my show to discuss the

01:30:50.020 contents of eric's book where i'm sure we'll be locking horns over liberalism uh until then we're

01:30:54.420 back tomorrow at one o'clock take care and goodbye

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