The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #950

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00:00:50.680 you don't want to miss it hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus seat is episode 950 on today

00:00:57.060 wednesday the 3rd of july 2024 eve of the election ladies and gentlemen i am your host connor joined

00:01:03.900 by josh and harry we had such hello we're each doing a hand signal i was doing the zero seat sing

00:01:10.800 which also looks a bit incriminating and i was making a phone call fantastic i was telling him

00:01:18.340 it's over you have to return some videotapes yeah it's all right make make your application to be a

00:01:22.520 delivery driver by the morning um we uh we had such fun with this lineup last time we thought we'd do

00:01:27.320 again today we're going to be discussing how the uk's general election coverage has been dreadful

00:01:31.560 why nigel farad should just become the man the left fears he is and how the deep state is apparently

00:01:36.460 real and that's a good thing i'm glad we've caught up to that particular timeline um before we begin

00:01:40.960 we've got a couple of announcements first of all those who are asking about irelander magazine copies

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00:02:08.060 send in super chats we'll look at our comments harry's boasting about his new mug

00:02:13.180 he decided to draw explicit attention to it but it's very distracting if you keep making

00:02:18.660 very satisfying noises in my large ears they do pick up everything yeah i've currently got channel

00:02:25.400 four getting connor can hear from at least three streets away quite yes and also um today at three

00:02:31.560 o'clock obviously thompson talks as per usual i've got paul morland coming in talking about demographic

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00:02:48.280 oh code yeah oh yes you're right yeah thank you samson reminder code zero seats as you just heard

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00:03:05.040 well before i actually start my segment make sure to do soy faces in the chat for harry's mug this is

00:03:11.060 a momentous occasion he's got it especially for the election stream tomorrow so make sure to tune in

00:03:15.920 absolutely so yes obviously election coverage more generally in the 21st century is terrible

00:03:22.960 why is this news josh well let me tell you i'm going to tell you exactly how it's terrible and why

00:03:28.560 it's terrible which uh it's slightly different than normal because of course we've had nigel farage

00:03:33.900 in the uk and he's not exactly a favorite of the establishment normally we have very establishment

00:03:39.780 candidates and therefore the coverage isn't as egregious as it normally is and it has been very

00:03:45.500 bad um to say the least and um yes the first thing is this marjul farage to boycott bbc over biased

00:03:54.640 question time audience and i watched this question time i don't know whether you guys did i did i also

00:03:58.940 covered a sort of i did a compilation of all the questions that were asked in order and played some of

00:04:02.960 them on monday's segment i did see that yeah i actually hate politics all right well uh thanks

00:04:10.560 for coming in harry it's interested in you however sadly yes um but yes to connor at least i am our

00:04:18.940 westminster addict yes this was pretty egregious i remember watching the green party guy and he had

00:04:25.060 all of the charisma of a wet towel and they were giving him softball questions like the most

00:04:30.840 controversial one was i like your sentiment but how are you going to pay for this and that was the

00:04:36.160 most cutting question to the green party party of islamists eco zealots and socialism and they're

00:04:43.640 like well on that fiona bruce did bring up that 20 candidates had been highlighted by the times for

00:04:50.440 quote-unquote anti-semitic comments one of them saying we should sink any royal navy vessels that seeks to

00:04:54.780 be in israeli waters if they seek to aid them curiously no pressure on them to deselect said

00:05:00.100 candidates and much more polite about those particular absolutely than when she interjected

00:05:05.880 and read off with a very emotional register saying i can't believe i'm having to say this almost breaking

00:05:10.380 down in tears various edgy jokes put forward by reform candidates yeah and he selected the notion of

00:05:15.820 sinking royal navy vessels with you know staff by potentially hundreds of our lads oh that's fine yeah it is

00:05:24.680 treasonous and of course they're treated with kid gloves the media didn't pick up on any of that really

00:05:30.000 did they you didn't see green party candidates their faces and names and headlines in the bbc

00:05:36.180 there was none of that and of course this isn't necessarily a surprise of course the right gets unfair

00:05:42.800 treatment that is the political climate that we exist in now but it was on display for everyone

00:05:49.340 and i think it being juxtaposed in one program where you have the green party the far left of british

00:05:54.620 politics against reform which are the center right basically and the center right party technically the

00:06:01.480 less extreme one in sort of objective political theory terms is the one that gets given a hard time and

00:06:07.240 the questions sounded like they were asked by a bunch of labor activists and in fact

00:06:10.780 farage does explain that he recognized some of the people in the audience which we'll go on to talk

00:06:16.500 about later but this has been going on for a very long time with farage so we know that it's not just

00:06:22.220 a mistake because even what nine years ago he was on the bbc and there was a very left-wing audience

00:06:29.120 it's been a known thing to happen and it does influence elections it is important because if you stack the

00:06:36.440 panel against a candidate in the way that it seems like the bbc did then it makes it seem like the

00:06:42.960 public consensus is against them which for a lot of people who don't necessarily follow politics that

00:06:48.180 closely is actually quite important in determining how they vote well this is something media companies

00:06:53.680 do all the time i can say back from my days in university oftentimes and this isn't necessarily

00:06:59.080 question time because i went to media city but they filmed lots of uh like on stage production shows

00:07:05.860 there like jeremy kyle for instance most of the time the audience wouldn't be sold out you'd have

00:07:12.240 quite a few seats filled so they would just come over to the university and say hey does anybody want

00:07:17.680 to come on later so that we've got a full crowd in the audience uh so while this isn't necessarily

00:07:22.280 always going to be specifically selecting for left-wing is specifically but university students

00:07:30.160 are going to be massively over-indexing on being left-wing compared to normal people that you would

00:07:35.080 get out on the street so if the bbc is actively selecting people to who are going to be left-wing

00:07:40.100 or already industry insiders i wouldn't be shocked i wouldn't also be shocked if they just go to local

00:07:45.700 media institutions and universities and say we need some seats filled up can you get some people in

00:07:51.600 and they know the kind of people who are going to come around with that anyway so i do actually know

00:07:55.420 how they select people for questions because i've applied to be in the audience before and i got a

00:07:59.020 ring and i just couldn't do it when i was asked this is about two years ago but you put the application

00:08:02.900 in when it's in your local area they then call you they then ask you your particular background and

00:08:07.640 your availability and they essentially screen you for your opinions and then you write down a

00:08:12.160 prospective question they ask you about all your questions because i've also had friends that have

00:08:15.380 gone on and been in the audience and then the directors will choose ahead of time who to have their

00:08:20.920 questions asked so when fiona bruce points at the crowd and goes this person she's already been told

00:08:24.840 sort of what order and who to select so the people that were in this audience being

00:08:29.420 palestinian activists who were supposedly running for a never stop gaza party but then didn't run and

00:08:34.620 seemingly pocketed two grand questions to be asked there or a bbc director who bragged about

00:08:39.680 asking the first question saying nigel farage why are you a racist and why is your party full of

00:08:44.920 racists and aren't you a mean racist bad man yeah yeah the bbc racist racist yeah deliberately

00:08:50.300 set that up to happen definitely if i got that question i would just start flexing and i would

00:08:55.240 say oh so you noticed like plato your argument is invalid

00:08:59.380 but farage explained this bbc boycott and if you can humor a little clip if i can find where the mouse

00:09:07.980 has gone um it's off i can i can i can click it cheers connor you turn the mouse on how does this

00:09:15.140 technology work right from the start of this campaign the bbc have behaved like a political

00:09:20.700 actor uh i remember the first interview i did on the today program i came off there and thought

00:09:25.880 there's no point there's literally no point and no opportunity to talk about policy about ideas

00:09:31.960 um but what happened on friday with that question time audience was truly astonishing first question

00:09:39.040 gets asked by a chap who was himself produced eight programs for the bbc including the very woke now

00:09:46.040 doctor who right so he gets to ask a question then the third question is asked by a chap who's a well

00:09:52.980 known street palestinian uh campaigning activist um i think question number seven or eight was asked by a

00:09:59.800 girl who's very active left-wing campaigner which is perhaps fine what i'm making is a question time

00:10:05.960 audience is supposed to be representative of the country as we go into the final week of you get

00:10:12.360 the general idea of what he's trying to say there don't you that he felt like the the questions asked

00:10:18.500 were unfairly targeting him and all that needed to be done really was a couple of people who are

00:10:23.300 pro-reform or at least not actively hostile to him saying so what is your plan on immigration what

00:10:28.800 what um what effect do you think cutting taxes will have or something like that asking them about

00:10:34.700 their actual policies and not just saying you're a racist and you're responsible for brexit and it's

00:10:39.360 basically just wagging their finger also that was weird framing where they're saying you're responsible

00:10:43.620 for brexit even though it's the conservative party that carried it out yeah one guy asked so what tax

00:10:49.220 cuts do you benefit from since coming out of the eu and for us was like none taxes are the highest since

00:10:54.840 1948 and i'm not prime minister what are you talking about they're having a go at him like

00:10:59.080 he's already in power which is a bizarre way for the bbc to pick questions really isn't it

00:11:04.800 but um of course the media picked up on this because they're not ones to miss out on a potential smear

00:11:11.480 so here we have the national nigel farage refuses to appear on bbc after question time humiliation

00:11:16.980 well question time's reputation was humiliated but not particularly farage

00:11:20.920 yeah um and i quite liked this from the telegraph actually um green shoots and farage struggles to

00:11:29.580 score as bbc bias takes the trophy and she referred to the green party guy as a living tofu scope

00:11:36.020 sculpture adrian ramsey which i thought was funny she mentions he had a gentle ride from the audience

00:11:41.120 but reform lead the obviously didn't went down curiously badly which is interesting isn't it

00:11:47.040 sort of suggesting well actually maybe there was some tom foolery and this was more or less published

00:11:52.320 the day after wasn't it the the actual thing went on so it was even before farage had come out and said

00:11:57.720 listen they've stitched me up so people who follow politics are able to spot this it's not just me

00:12:03.120 sort of plucking it out of thin air and it's been something that's been going on this entire election

00:12:08.200 in fact if you look at the bbc's page where they have their corrections and clarifications

00:12:12.700 they have everything you know all bbc services all the mistakes they make and it's interesting like

00:12:18.600 the 21st of june um i'm not even sure if it's there we go um this is about um reform they were using

00:12:25.960 out of date survey data um to basically check the claims of reform this was data before farage announced

00:12:34.020 his candidacy and therefore obviously that had a momentous shift in the popularity of reform

00:12:40.060 um and then you have down at the 9th of june um i'm gonna have to find it somewhere some of them

00:12:47.560 are a bit out of order but most of them are to do with reform and farage here's the thing about

00:12:53.380 nigel farage again bbc complaints so how the current system in the uk works is because everything's

00:12:58.140 regulated by ofcom you have to make an ofcom complaint if there's bias against the program but

00:13:01.780 for some reason bbc being the state broadcaster gets a special carve out where you have to put in

00:13:05.540 two bbc complaints one as a viewer one extra one if you're unhappy with the bbc's response to your

00:13:12.680 complaint and then a third one to ofcom so it sort of tries to disadvantage people actually

00:13:17.480 complaining about bias in the bbc and so people were complaining that laura koonsberg show with

00:13:21.740 farage after the d-day kerfuffle with rishi sunak where she kept pressing him saying but when you say

00:13:26.840 rishi sunak doesn't get our culture what do you mean nigel obviously trying to break bait him into

00:13:30.760 saying because he's brown rather than because he's a managerial technocrat who feels more at home in an

00:13:34.820 airport than in parliament so people complaining about bias on there i actually complained about

00:13:39.680 the bias of the question time thing and immediately the stock answer i got back was question time takes

00:13:43.720 a representative sample of the audience well then why weren't there 20 reform supporters in the

00:13:48.100 audience because that's how they're currently polling well yeah that's exactly it isn't it and

00:13:51.580 then you go back to the 28th of may so this is all of the bbc surfaces and there we go nigel farage

00:13:58.120 again um this was a presenter and this is their direct words our presenter said mr farage was using

00:14:04.740 customary inflammatory language this did not meet the bbc's editorial standards for impartiality

00:14:10.420 this is guru murphy's sister so you know guru murphy the one who's on channel four all the time of

00:14:14.360 course yeah yeah this is his sister the one who mistakenly put her middle finger up when she

00:14:17.600 thought the camera wasn't rolling cut away from one of farage's speeches like sort of cnn cutting

00:14:23.420 away from trump saying we're not going to dignify his speak about biased mainstream media and she thought

00:14:28.260 that was completely fine because that's the that's the climate the bbc newsroom so much for

00:14:31.840 impartiality they're not impartial they're just cloaking their bias in the veneer of being objective

00:14:37.460 and then we even go back to the 16th of march and they have a retraction uh where they say we wrongly

00:14:45.200 referred to reform uk as far right this was referring to polling apology wasn't it yeah yeah but the point

00:14:51.780 being that the bbc covers a lot of stuff it's a very big organization and the fact that lots of these

00:14:58.020 complaints are all to do with reform and nigel farage doesn't necessarily suggest that you know

00:15:03.600 people who support reform are just more likely to complain because there are lots of people that

00:15:08.060 complain about lots of things and sort of impropriety and that sort of thing that still goes on

00:15:12.500 but the fact that there's a significant portion disproportionate portion of their coverage is

00:15:18.140 complaining about unfairly positioning reform as being this thing that you should be concerned about

00:15:23.760 is biasing the way um that people may vote and it's it's not correct for a supposedly impartial

00:15:31.100 institution now i don't agree that you can have impartiality because that's impossible you know

00:15:36.900 everyone has biases because everyone has wants and needs because they're a human being and the sooner we

00:15:42.280 acknowledge that the better really my favorite thing about complaints about the bbc being a

00:15:46.380 partial politically biased actor is that on the left you see similar complaints where they say that the

00:15:52.940 bbc is somehow a far right organization because when it was around the 2019 elections they weren't

00:15:58.420 being favorable towards jeremy corbyn and of course the bbc i believe spearheaded a lot of the

00:16:03.260 investigations and exposés of jeremy corbyn's um and anti-semitism uh the thing that they seem to

00:16:10.780 forget is not that by virtue of being against someone like jeremy corbyn that makes them far right no

00:16:16.700 it makes them regime creatures that's what they are they're not for the far left they're not for

00:16:22.440 the far right if you want to consider nigel farage as that therefore the status quo bureaucracy as it

00:16:29.040 exists right now and if they perceive either of those sides as being a threat they'll lash out at

00:16:33.900 them so i i just find it funny that the left always manages to turn this thing around into oh no

00:16:39.420 the world despite the fact that we get 99 of everything that we want in our social programs and

00:16:45.380 culturally revolutionary agenda because we don't get that tiny little one percent the entire world is

00:16:51.600 far right fascists rising against us you mean to say harry that the state media favors the state

00:16:57.700 my goodness what a shock right what a shock so they've also done things like this rivals attack

00:17:03.880 farage for saying the west provoked ukraine war this is things that you know as the the wikileaks

00:17:10.340 leaks suggested that u.s diplomats were talking about in 2008 you know in in behind closed doors lots of

00:17:17.000 people have been saying actually yes we did play a role in provoking it obviously you know he wasn't

00:17:22.000 letting putin off the hook either he was saying i don't agree with him i think he's a terrible man

00:17:26.240 blah blah blah blah but the bbc has turned it into something that is somehow extreme and terrible when

00:17:32.840 actually it's quite common to say these things i will also say that this um alongside the immigration

00:17:39.620 talk that farage specifically has been talking about and we'll get on to some of my complaints with how the

00:17:45.540 reform campaign has been going over the past two weeks in your segment connor but alongside his

00:17:50.800 talk of immigration this was the my other favorite thing that farage has come out i said because he

00:17:56.720 seems to be as far as i can tell outside of the afd the only british or european politician that i can

00:18:04.160 think of name more in the comments if you can think of more which galloway

00:18:08.060 uh who wants to yeah he doesn't represent us though no no um who doesn't want to send me off

00:18:16.980 to war to die in a ditch in ukraine quite now richard tice you know he's quite like maybe you

00:18:24.740 could die a little bit in ukraine nigel farage seems to be the only one who's actually come out

00:18:29.860 and said maybe we should de-escalate this so that one immense points from me no no i definitely agree

00:18:35.660 with that so a reform candidate has pointed out the same thing as me so it's not just me noticing

00:18:41.040 it also people in reform have been like the bbc's coverage in particular has been egregious uh i i'm

00:18:48.540 sort of running over time so i'm going to skip over that another thing even the um right of the

00:18:54.780 tory party of all things and i'm sure connor will be able to tell us a bit more about this

00:18:58.460 have been uh dragged through the mud by the bbc so this is miriam cates who was a trustee of a church

00:19:05.900 up until 2018 um and then they've run a story that that church is now offering conversion therapy

00:19:13.040 but you know she funded it in 2018 and it's doing something now that's a little bit of a stretch to

00:19:18.760 be honest so it's just conversion therapy it's not mike pence strapping electrodes to your brain

00:19:23.560 it's having conversations with people that might be confused about their gender or sexuality

00:19:26.960 which should be allowed despite if you dispute its efficacy and also miriam has absolutely nothing

00:19:32.340 to do that the reason why they're trying to trot this out is because she was one of the very very

00:19:37.480 few decent conservative politicians who stood against her own party and said we're not doing

00:19:42.000 conversion therapy pan you absolute nutcases who are in hock to mermaids and stonewall under

00:19:46.240 boris johnson's wife carrie and so because she's been very effective because she's flirted with our side

00:19:52.200 of the aisle and she's a friend of the show they really don't like her and would like to see her

00:19:57.580 deposed from her so yeah and i'm not even convinced that conversion therapy really does anything i don't

00:20:03.600 think you can stop being gay or all the inverse you know i think it's pre-programmed so it's sort of a

00:20:11.460 bizarre thing who cares it's not it's not like this church is going out and press ganging hog tying

00:20:16.020 well it's people willingly enjoy that yeah exactly into it and just showing them pictures of penny

00:20:21.040 morden in a bikini which for me would actually reinforce the homosexuality i don't i agree at all

00:20:27.440 but it's not like they're doing some kind of clockwork orange therapy you mean you willingly went to an

00:20:32.740 organization for a service to them my goodness this is dangerous that whole moral um moral panic

00:20:40.640 about it is completely blown out of proportion completely ridiculous but she's tweeted about it

00:20:45.760 she's just saying i i wasn't involved with this anyway back to knocking on doors so she didn't seem

00:20:50.440 to take it too seriously which is you know probably the way to deal with it but um one final thing that

00:20:55.580 is not the bbc but i thought was amusing was this from the guardian always sane as as ever

00:21:00.880 mansplaining uk election coverage marginalizes women's concerns study finds i tried woman

00:21:06.220 understanding yeah and on the topic of mansplaining the uk election i thought it'd be good to mention

00:21:12.560 our election coverage because uh we're gonna have a lot of blokes talking about election things and

00:21:18.220 there might even be a woman um i don't want to confirm anything though but yes there is no balance

00:21:24.480 so yes carl did a video you might have seen it on youtube announcing it there's some details

00:21:30.840 in there and uh it's free to watch so if you are you know come to our website or you go to our

00:21:37.280 rumble uh channel you'll be able to watch the election stream in its entirety starting from

00:21:42.540 7 p.m uh british summertime and there'll also be rumble rants which were basically the equivalent

00:21:49.360 of super chats if you're not familiar with them which we'll be reading out and um there's also

00:21:55.520 this so we will have dan with a green screen leaning into his jeremy clarkson persona yes here

00:22:04.920 he is well carl thank you for the uh he'll have charts i might actually mute him sorry dan uh it's

00:22:11.620 nothing personal but i need to function in real life but here you can see we have the best numbers

00:22:18.260 we've got some of the biggest numbers essential for this please uh yeah i think we should just

00:22:23.280 release the unedited green screen footage of him pointing at a green screen yeah and you can all

00:22:28.240 have some fun with that but oh samson's foreshadowing there but we we have graphics we are moving up in

00:22:36.240 the world we have discovered the world of technology and uh yeah see we've even got a thermometer a zero

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00:26:02.660 oh oh he's adjusting your camera angle on me it's harry's it's harry's posture it's because i shift

00:26:09.380 you become very erect it's because it's because i'm out of frame it's because i'm very shifty

00:26:14.760 you are yeah you said it not me shifty northerner eh it's ever since you got that new mug

00:26:20.720 no one can trust you part of me charm you know i've got good news you're no longer dirty harry

00:26:25.320 coming back into style oh twin peaks oh sorry i'm so lost

00:26:31.180 right next tab up fantastic brilliant right okay uh well we're on the eve of the election

00:26:39.280 and i think it's no secret around here that lots of people ever since nigel farage got back into the

00:26:43.880 race of putting their been putting their hopes in reformers if not winning the election because

00:26:49.220 that doesn't seem possible at all forming a patriotic populist alternative party to

00:26:54.960 continue assembling the plane as it flies in the next five years have been some disappointing

00:27:00.680 messaging recently bit schizophrenic in my opinion and so quite a lot for me sadly they were doing

00:27:07.240 really well and then it feels like richard tice reasserted himself and said have you considered

00:27:13.040 that our election tactics should be we're not racist there is discord behind the scenes at reform

00:27:18.980 about that oh i'm sure yes so i'm actually here to present that side lambast them for it and also

00:27:25.420 hopefully provide a bit of reassurance that if you're still considering casting a reform protest vote

00:27:29.760 because i wasn't until nigel showed up frankly and now i'm still going to do it even if some of the

00:27:34.440 candidates are not up to stuff i think it's still fair because after the election our guys are in and

00:27:41.500 should be able to reform reform so to speak now if you want to watch the election live obviously head

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00:28:08.300 subscriber with the code zero seats all capitals no spaces and we look forward to seeing you there

00:28:13.700 so i thought i'd kick off with some of the polls to start off with so these are the final polls going

00:28:19.400 into the election this is from redfield and wilton so the current numbers are labor at 41 percent

00:28:23.560 conservative at 22 percent reform at 16 percent lib dems at 10 percent greens at 6 percent and then

00:28:29.040 the other celtic nationalist sectarian parties knocked off the snp don't care about celts

00:28:35.800 true fair point yes well they basically masquerade ethnic hatred of the english in progressive

00:28:42.880 minoritarian concerns oh yeah of course so you hate the english well you best let in all the indians

00:28:48.000 yeah it's not even white people at the bottom it's the scots and then the english yeah they go do

00:28:52.520 you know who else hates the english pakistanis don't you want more of them yeah but the last time i tried

00:28:57.400 to make one a leader it didn't work out very well anyway so i put these into electoral calculus and

00:29:01.080 this translates to the seat numbers as follows so there's going to be 468 labor seats 69 conservative

00:29:06.100 seats 67 lib dem seats six for reform including clacton that's farage and three for the green so

00:29:12.600 that'll be brighton hove bristol central and wherever other portland we have in this awful island so there's

00:29:18.080 been more of course there's salvation can we take this moment to just hammer home as always that first

00:29:23.700 past the post is an absolute garbage voting mechanism in many ways despite your americanism

00:29:29.420 i agree with you if if this is uh how you know if they get a certain amount of votes and they only

00:29:35.660 get what six seats out of it it looks pathetic the issue with uh proportional representation though

00:29:41.420 and i'm i am apathetic about the voting system my way is that it forces you to create coalition

00:29:46.560 governments that end up dragging you towards compromise and left-wing policies i mean we see the

00:29:50.720 internal turmoil that guilders has recently experienced where he's only just been able to

00:29:54.640 form a government as of yesterday despite winning what was it back in november the mandate so there

00:29:59.760 are problems of both systems but i anticipate that on sunday by sunday there'll be a massive debate as

00:30:06.300 to whether to scrap uh first past the post for proportional representation because of the vote

00:30:10.500 share reform will get and command a certain amount of public consciousness so i think it'll be

00:30:15.840 something that that comes out ahead anyway so salvation have done their one right beforehand

00:30:19.080 and they're predicting 484 labour seats 64 conservative seats 61 lib dem seats 10 seats for

00:30:25.260 the smp seven for reform and that's the number that reform themselves think probably most likely

00:30:30.360 three for plai cumry and three for the greens jail partners has done one again partnering with the

00:30:36.060 rest is politics podcast are you guys familiar with that by any chance that's rory stewart and

00:30:39.780 alistair campbell's oh i actually saw clips from that yeah yeah unfortunately so so there's been some

00:30:45.020 funny things going on with the jlp polls as soon as they partner the rest is politics because

00:30:48.900 they've consistently had reform lower than expected so i wonder if there's something shaky going on

00:30:53.700 there i covered that on my show last week so suspicions but let's look at their polling numbers

00:30:59.860 no matter what so this is going to be 442 labour seats 98 conservative seats so far from the zero that

00:31:05.920 lots of people are hoping for 63 for the lib dem six for reform and three for the green so it looks

00:31:10.020 like reform are going to get about six or seven seats unless there's this massive unrepresented upset

00:31:14.960 demographic that hasn't yet been registered in the polls which nigel is suggesting but we'll see

00:31:21.000 they've been upset before it is true i think probably their vote share is more spread out

00:31:24.900 across the country than concentrated unless you're in ashfield or clacton that's why the lib dems

00:31:28.840 you know who poll at sort of similar percentages as reform sometimes less tend to be able to get a

00:31:34.660 lot more projected seats because they have their support bases concentrated in certain areas

00:31:39.200 absolutely now what's quite funny though is the bookies are more bullish on reform than the

00:31:43.900 conservatives so this is from betfred and they set the markets as follows and betfred have said

00:31:50.260 reform uk have actually overtaken the conservatives in the odds concerning who would be more likely to

00:31:55.980 unseat labour overall even though they're consistently polling less than them what kind of information

00:32:01.460 are these guys basing it off i think sometimes bookies will will change their odds depending on how

00:32:08.440 people are betting so it could be there are lots of reform uk supporters being very optimistic and

00:32:14.340 they're betting that they're going to win and that might shape the odds i don't know i don't necessarily

00:32:18.240 know how they're calculated and also this could be more representative because farad has essentially

00:32:24.020 boasted that they're going to get more votes than the conservatives and i don't think that's

00:32:27.800 impossible and this could be more representative because polls election polls have two purposes they either

00:32:32.680 register public sentiment or they shape public sentiment this is what i think jlp polls have been doing

00:32:36.740 they've been trying to shape public sentiment towards labour away from reform towards even

00:32:40.820 the conservatives for the sort of disaffected tory voters that might break for farage well you said

00:32:44.740 the jlp were the ones that were partnered with rory stewart well rory stewart i've seen a clip that

00:32:50.760 there was played on uo last night where rory stewart who has possibly the worst vocal physiognomy i've

00:32:56.820 ever heard by the way um he was saying that if tories have a complete wipeout then he wants to

00:33:03.100 basically try and reform it with all of the one day one notion one nation wets again so he seems to

00:33:10.060 want there to be some chance to make tories even worse because there he's going to take from this

00:33:16.780 clearly we weren't gay and left-wing enough in the guardian he did an interview where he said he's

00:33:21.880 gonna vote either lib dem green or labor well that just says it all doesn't the former conservative

00:33:26.440 leadership candidate in 2019 run against boris johnson is now saying he will vote green

00:33:30.020 and jlp is actually headed up by the guy who ran his 2019 leadership candidacy so shaky things there

00:33:37.420 i think that there's something quite insidious going on there because he has options to the left

00:33:42.420 of reform plenty of them that's where yeah most yeah most of the political spectrum is to the left of

00:33:49.660 reform so i don't know what he's complaining about why do you need a more left-wing conservatives when

00:33:54.320 you know they'll just become the green party won't they as if they weren't already it sounds like

00:33:59.640 what he would be wanting to do is reform the conservatives again with cameronism on steroids

00:34:04.300 yes which i mean cameronism is already why we're here yeah but it's unobstructed cameronism basically

00:34:10.160 these people will never learn so the uniparty are getting desperate so as i covered on monday

00:34:15.380 there have been a bunch of smears against farad including the channel 4 thing including the bbc

00:34:19.080 question time audience being absolutely packed out as we recently covered i've got some updates on the

00:34:23.380 stories there first on the channel 4 sting involving andrew parker the strange actor who decided to act like a

00:34:28.720 copney gangster this is a piece that's been written by stephen edgington he's done some digging and

00:34:32.680 spoken to some people that were actually at clacton in the constituency office and at the event at the

00:34:36.020 time and they've said that one reform source uh said about parker and then two of the channel 4

00:34:41.340 undercover filmers who people are still trying to identify that they were obsessed with tommy

00:34:45.140 robinson going up to random volunteers and trying to start conversation about him no one took the bait

00:34:49.220 and they were given short shrift when they weren't doing that they were talking about george floyd for some

00:34:52.720 reason it was all a bit strange and they told people they'd never done any political campaigning before so i think

00:34:57.120 people gave them the benefit of the doubt they're literally walking up to people like oblivion npcs and

00:35:00.640 going have you heard of the high elves like how unnatural do you think that was and no wonder they

00:35:07.180 couldn't get anyone to bite on camera and they had to resort to using parker's exaggerated smear

00:35:12.740 smears because yeah nobody around there thought that that was normal they must be on fentanyl to believe

00:35:19.200 that they would fall for that so so when when carl presented me the the evidence for the actor plant

00:35:25.760 last week i i found the evidence somewhat uninspiring and unconvincing what i think you

00:35:31.100 misheard that frankly i think because you didn't hear that you didn't hear the two contrast images i

00:35:34.500 did i i did i did i did hear the contrast and i didn't find it to be that much of a contrast it

00:35:40.040 sounded i don't think he sounded that posh when he wasn't talking in his active voice but what other

00:35:44.820 evidence is that because obviously steven has spoken to these people yes and they said that anybody who

00:35:50.060 was anybody wasn't taking the bait from these two very obviously suspicious people uh so what what

00:35:56.400 else is there so he was he was more pronounced in the video where he was talking straight to camera

00:36:00.160 versus the footage of him pretending to be a cockney gangster on his own website he says he usually

00:36:04.920 plays mafia and villain types okay there's also another profile he says he specializes in secret

00:36:08.840 filming those have all been deleted now there are multiple videos of him on tiktok playing that same

00:36:13.520 racist alf garnet character which have now all been deleted and he himself denied being an actor to the

00:36:18.560 telegraph when he was quoted and then people went and found his pages and then has since been deleted

00:36:22.900 and then how come hope not hate are obsessed with doxing raw egg nationalists and lomas but they have

00:36:27.340 this guy's information and it took random antifa watch accounts on twitter to find this out but

00:36:32.540 not all of the left-wing accounts that could have easily found that he's an actor and could have found

00:36:36.840 he's a union member what why has no one gone after him yet on that side okay that all sounds far more

00:36:41.600 convincing yeah he was also a member of the equity union if that's right which you know equity that's not

00:36:47.900 exactly a soft word is it it's just it's just the sort of actors union name is it really it's been

00:36:53.280 that way since before like 2020 and the critical race theory are they obviously very left-wing

00:36:57.380 because they're an actors union of course yes because i i at first didn't think it would be

00:37:01.040 completely out of the realm of possibility that there would be some right-wing actors out there

00:37:05.040 who might decide to do some canvassing but with all of that evidence there that you've said as well

00:37:09.660 yes i'm more convinced now also he only showed up on that day nobody knew him oh okay he hung around

00:37:15.300 the constituency office and said i've got a massive car why don't you guys come with and it just so

00:37:19.460 happens the two channel four filmers got straight in his car oh okay all right really really weird

00:37:25.260 so they've actually put um complaints into i think of the electoral commission also but also to the

00:37:30.660 police about it they're investigating the production company because it could well be the production

00:37:33.380 company lied and channel four didn't know anything about this but channel four themselves they've said

00:37:37.400 we didn't know parker was an actor we just trusted these guys we'll see what comes out in the wash

00:37:43.200 i i will say from my own experience uh learning about journalism in university they basically do

00:37:49.240 tell you to be scumbags they tell you if you're going if you're trying to make a hit piece on

00:37:53.740 somebody who's a legitimate person uh basically you make them you follow them with a camera once

00:37:58.680 you've got permission for months make them think that you're their friend and then when they slip up

00:38:04.280 you basically cut everything off you get the footage of them slipping up and you turn that into a big

00:38:08.820 hit piece so it wouldn't be outside outside the realm of possibility at all for some scummy

00:38:13.620 production company to just lie this is what channel four did in the early 2000s with their bmp hit

00:38:17.460 piece on mark collett if anyone remembers that they went around with collett pretending to do a

00:38:21.800 profile on him as a young bmp activist and when he decided to say some obvious nazi apologetics they

00:38:27.420 then confronted him with the footage and then he flipped but my point is if they were able to get

00:38:31.240 collett just off the cuff saying that but nobody except andrew parker professional actor saying that

00:38:36.700 then it clearly shows that reform uk campaign is not subject to the kind of smears they've leveled

00:38:40.660 at it so silly stuff so another one of the dirty tricks is being alleged as well is um have you

00:38:45.240 heard about all these defections that have been going on so there are there are two former tories

00:38:50.400 who went to reform uk have now defected again back to the tories they're a double agent that's

00:38:56.440 actually the allegation yeah um so these these candidates are liam booth isherwood who was the

00:39:01.480 candidate in earwash and georgie david the candidate for west ham and beckton who have both said the vast

00:39:06.100 majority of their candidates are racist misogynistic and bigoted they're apparently not the top

00:39:09.740 leadership brass which is a bit confusing reform are currently alleging they were bribed to do this

00:39:14.280 by cchq and part of the evidence of this is that farage back in 2019 steve baker was part of this

00:39:19.880 little cohort trying to do this by the way so he should definitely lose his seat had offered farage

00:39:23.620 and other candidates if they stood down when they were part of the brexit party peerages and farage

00:39:28.260 himself a knighthood and he said go stuff it and then eventually stood down anyway without taking any of the

00:39:32.440 any of the offers because he wanted boris to winning brexit to be done major mistake there you go

00:39:38.100 instantly these defections were plastered across the front page of the bbc with like these pre-prepared

00:39:43.720 media statements it does smell a bit dodgy and so all of that's detailed in this interview here with

00:39:49.560 richard tice that you can watch in your own time the reason i bring it up is to transition a little bit

00:39:54.880 because nobody on reform's organic base like we three chaps around the table are bothered by these smears

00:40:02.020 we're really not fussed by it we know the establishment media is going to play all these

00:40:05.420 dirty tricks the defense against it is what we're concerned with not the fact that you're pointing

00:40:11.040 out that there's some obvious chicanery at play but when richard tice comes out and starts saying

00:40:15.900 well we're the party of true diversity because both of our deputy leaders ben habib who i rather like by

00:40:20.560 the way is half pakistani so he's an ethnic minority and david ball who also quite like is a gay man so

00:40:26.500 don't worry we're a truly diverse party as soon as i hear diversity i think i just don't want to vote for

00:40:31.040 that yeah don't play on their terms yeah well that's what faraj has been doing the past week

00:40:35.860 week and a half is that he's been defending himself but under the the terms and through the lens of the

00:40:43.280 ideology of the left you don't need to do that if you're a genuine alternative you don't need to

00:40:49.220 justify yourself to the ideology of your opponents that's ridiculous that's a losing battle that's why

00:40:55.580 we've been losing on the right for so long that's why all of the cultural institutions have been

00:41:00.620 captured because of exactly that and it's really quite frustrating that our one hope of actually

00:41:06.140 having meaningful uh political engagement in the system seems to be falling short yeah capitulating

00:41:14.320 also i can speak from my own experience and then also speak to the experience that's been reported by

00:41:19.680 people like morgoth himself i wasn't planning on voting people like morgoth weren't planning on voting

00:41:24.360 but then the reform manifesto came out and even old cynical morgoth said i don't know this is this

00:41:33.000 is looking like a pretty good manifesto actually i saw it and thought oh my goodness that looks good

00:41:38.140 and it drew me back in and the reason that it did that is because it's a right-wing manifesto it's

00:41:43.260 saying deport the foreign foreign criminals put massive restrictions on immigration into the country

00:41:48.440 take away all the benefits to foreigners who aren't being productive in the country so it's a

00:41:53.480 soft way of encouraging them to leave uh increase um the tax allowance on income to 20 000 pounds

00:42:00.260 scrap all net zero all of these very sensible reasonable policies are what i want to hear because

00:42:07.960 it's essentially a more positive vision for the future it's a good start from our own values yes it

00:42:14.060 certainly is a good start what i don't want to hear is our one selling point is we're the actually

00:42:20.040 diverse party we're the not racist party i don't care i actually do not care if the media calls you

00:42:27.300 racist i care that you have a vision for the future of this country that benefits me my people and

00:42:34.340 benefits my family my friends and it doesn't benefit the regime as it exists right now it doesn't benefit

00:42:40.560 all of the mercenaries who come to this country to try and steal our taxes off us it doesn't benefit

00:42:45.860 all of the people who have been trying to destroy and undermine our culture and history likewise and

00:42:50.960 faraj for a little bit of information on this faraj himself redrafted the reform manifesto two days

00:42:55.620 before publishing and i've got a good source on that so he is the one that forwarded all of these ideas

00:43:00.180 and i will say there's some internal discord within the reform camp because faraj is not really on

00:43:05.380 board with this type of messaging the only time he's really trotted it out and i'll mention this

00:43:09.220 later as the zaya yusuf chap has been buying his way on stage the side that is very on on brand for

00:43:16.480 the we're the diverse party look we aren't racist here's a brown man is tyson paul oakden the sort of

00:43:22.440 vestige of managers being managers before faraj stepped in and frankly look if you can have the

00:43:29.020 courage of your convictions to acquit yourself to know no all of these smears are frankly defamatory and

00:43:33.460 actually my constituency that i want to impress is not the media class it's left behind white working

00:43:37.800 class people in places like clacton or aspirational young men like you or i who have just done the

00:43:42.360 right thing saved up and want a wife and kids and just work hard and have a sense of national

00:43:46.980 belonging then you don't need to pander to minoritarian politics and have someone who's

00:43:50.980 brown or someone who's gay or someone who's an immigrant and a muslim stand up and say your

00:43:54.600 opinions because it's like regime endorsed armor plating they're never going to give you that

00:43:58.340 armor plating they'd rather see you dead than win the election if you're you know important in reform

00:44:03.200 i think it's worth to bear in mind this turn of phrase if you if you fight a pig in the mud you

00:44:09.240 both get dirty and the pig enjoys it it's exactly that right if you engage in this kind of politics

00:44:15.080 you're going to lose if you want some examples of this kind of politics i have collated them here for

00:44:19.660 you here's this oh no the cringe they've reposted it yesterday and they reposted to youtube after all

00:44:26.100 of the criticism this is just sort of really this ignorant boomerism i can't put it any other way

00:44:33.140 being very pig-headed and not being responsive to the base who like us would actually be megaphones

00:44:38.000 for your message if you just stop pissing us off well it's tories 2.0 and i don't want to destroy

00:44:43.120 the tories to have them replaced by tories again what like this apparently we're all racists

00:44:50.500 apparently we're all bigots apparently we're all xenophobes apparently we're all far right

00:45:02.660 apparently we hate foreigners or people with different colored skin

00:45:08.680 and yet

00:45:11.680 all right you get the idea i've had enough yeah also make it end make it stop ben habib being the

00:45:21.480 first one on there i can guarantee he doesn't like that because ben habib is the one that's going on

00:45:25.500 gb news saying the indigenous english population have been erased his i think his mum was english so

00:45:31.100 he has a ancestral tie to this place and is very deferential to the host population and so i don't

00:45:37.840 think he likes being spoken about as if he's the token shield for any accusations hold up a picture

00:45:43.580 of him and go look brown brown ben doesn't like that so it's a bit demeaning to do that to your own

00:45:49.820 deputies and then there's other schizophrenic messaging from weirdly enough the party that

00:45:53.640 took in lee anderson when he was kicked out the tories for saying that sadiq khan's far too cozy to

00:45:57.940 islamist you know something quite brave and bold and true to say so then endorse that but then also

00:46:03.140 celebrate things like this which is just random random african drumming

00:46:09.540 average reform voter right here tell me drop for fans just yeah you brought them back

00:46:18.800 you did mention this actually just it's very richard tice again quite retweeting this fantastic

00:46:24.820 no it's not fantastic to see look frankly if polite house guests would like to be fellow travelers in

00:46:32.620 an enterprise to restore the greatness of britain they're more than welcome as long as they defer

00:46:36.820 to the host native population but it shouldn't be the tip of the spear that you say look brown people

00:46:42.040 are validating us because i don't judge my self-esteem or the validity of my policies based on if someone

00:46:47.660 from africa who arrived a couple of years ago says yeah all good mate no i don't actually i just think

00:46:52.420 what's good for me and my neighborhood and my constituency and my congregation and my nation i don't need

00:46:58.060 validation from from ethnic and sexual minorities to feel good about my policies you shouldn't either

00:47:03.400 and then there's another one i mean this is this is a reformed candida and i have to play the music

00:47:09.680 they've just moved in these are all the removal bands

00:47:19.480 okay that's enough of that i mean let's be honest this is inevitable with the way demographics are

00:47:29.140 changing in this country the second that you become a multicultural read multi-ethnic society

00:47:35.340 electoral politics just becomes a game where you see who you can pander to which ethnic group you can

00:47:41.820 pander to clientele group yes yeah it's very frustrating and speaking of clientelism we have

00:47:47.200 this example and i drew a lot of criticism for this um when i decided to quote retweet and say we need

00:47:52.560 some cool heads here but this is friend of the show dan one saying how amazing muslim entrepreneurs i

00:47:57.720 use of speech at this recent conference at birmingham was use of basically brought his way onto the stage and

00:48:03.720 wanted uh platform and he also recently was then immediately given a gb news spot as one of michelle

00:48:09.380 dubry's panelists which is dubious as i said more than welcome in the movement financing the legitimate

00:48:18.720 spokespeople who have already been there but no he's not a political rising star and no the people

00:48:23.740 in white working class towns like clacton who see farage as an avatar considerate of their concerns

00:48:28.700 will not feel represented by a muslim man i would not vote for this man just as i wouldn't vote for

00:48:33.680 rishi sunak for being a hindu i don't feel represented by him i'm not going to do it and

00:48:37.940 so reformer very foolish if they put this guy up as as has now been suggested within the space of a

00:48:42.180 week a successor to nigel farad after 2029 this is a very stupid idea no genuinely this is an internal

00:48:49.020 conversation this is a stupid idea and you will hemorrhage report uh support for it have you

00:48:55.280 considered deport the english but i this is this is gonna happen deport me to australia for free oh no

00:49:02.840 okay so so so they're not going to win over the anglo-saxons with this that's the core constituency

00:49:07.480 that farad is going forward is country gent slash pub going football fan get up which is authentic

00:49:13.360 so who instead could they win over well this is encouraging here's a jlp poll that i found quite

00:49:17.900 interesting reformer in second place with 16 to 17 year olds and joint first with men

00:49:22.460 huh now that whole there is a zoomer uprising thing going on that i've been predicting for

00:49:30.440 quite a few months now that you've documented over on european continent yes yes afd was massively

00:49:37.020 popular with german youths as is jordan badala in france over here as raj has been predicting because

00:49:42.940 he's doing good numbers on tiktok turns out that young men really like farad now aaron bastani did some

00:49:48.960 investigative journalism and i have to play this clip and i credit to aaron for giving them a

00:49:52.600 really fair shake here anyone that criticized him for this interview is i think needlessly silly

00:49:56.600 why do young men like farad so much is it they've been manipulated by russian bots or is it they just

00:50:02.200 notice patterns so i'm just going to play this quick clip here england's england and sometimes i don't

00:50:10.160 even want to be here why's that well it's getting worse you look around there's a foreigner

00:50:16.800 no more england might as well name it something else hell hell why hell there's too many foreigners

00:50:26.840 get that man on the show what's that immigrants are jarring what does that mean jarring

00:50:34.080 flag of the regime in the background there homeless english people not getting housed but you have

00:50:40.660 immigrants immigrants they're illegal and they get housed it's a joke so just elite you're saying

00:50:46.320 just illegal but legal i'm trying i just asked that just about legal migrants even if they're legal

00:50:51.680 immigrants they still shouldn't be put over english people no we spend too much tax money on immigrants

00:50:58.080 and i think that's a joke and we should worry about our own people before others do you do you think

00:51:03.700 the political class generally are doing that then no i think the conservative pie is the absolute joke

00:51:10.940 and young people in this country don't have a voice and it makes me sick

00:51:13.740 mandem's got a point you could vote lads who would you vote for you would i vote for reform uk probably

00:51:18.680 yeah that's the one reform yes mate yes

00:51:21.960 get rid of that rishi sunner prime minister get rid of him

00:51:25.740 water mug yes so the media media is saying that people that vote for reform uk older boomers

00:51:32.140 racists but hold on one sec but we've got a young guy mixed heritage who's saying reform uk

00:51:39.000 so what are those people wrong about what attracts you to reform uk reform uk is that

00:51:43.940 like if you're an actual english shits and you actually have a voice and what happens in this

00:51:48.040 country but then with a conservative party we don't ever get a voice so they just conservatives just

00:51:54.560 rich people doing what they want to make the most money that they can which has always been for ages

00:51:59.200 but reform uk actual working class english people have a voice and what happens in the country

00:52:04.280 so i don't understand then why i mean of course i do because richard tires wants to be

00:52:10.760 respectable in the westminster dinner party circuit if you're winning over young englishmen

00:52:15.020 with the message of hey young englishmen i'm actually attentive to your concerns

00:52:18.000 why you would then go you know who we really need to win over

00:52:21.700 random migrants who aren't going to vote for us anyway yeah i still find it interesting that there

00:52:27.740 was a a mixed race kid show up there and support reform because again it's startling to me to see

00:52:34.880 people of mixed heritage who identify more with the english side of their heritage that's actually

00:52:40.060 quite rare to see but fair play to the kid just get your hands out your pants all right

00:52:44.640 duck yourself with some manners it's about a question of belonging and that kid clearly sees

00:52:49.940 his local area as his home he sees england as his home he has an ancestral connection to the place

00:52:54.820 so rather than pandering to a migrant class of trans transient anywheres as the conservative and

00:53:00.220 labor party want to do why don't you just hone in on the particular constituency that see themselves

00:53:04.280 as inextricable to england as frankly ben habib does which is why it's kind of insulting you're

00:53:09.140 just using him as here's our token brown like that's not good one thing i will ask you pointed out the

00:53:14.180 age demographics before i'm interested among 16 to 17 year olds how what's the ethnic breakdown of

00:53:21.280 that much more diverse well yeah that's the thing that i'm thinking is much more diverse which is

00:53:25.060 probably why it's still slanted so heavily towards labor because i saw jess gill posting earlier that

00:53:31.180 about one third of all children born in the uk at the moment are of foreign background born to

00:53:36.380 immigrant mothers so i wouldn't be surprised if the 16 to 17 year olds are that same way

00:53:40.340 uh which means that in all likelihood that 23 percent of 16 to 17 year olds looking for reform

00:53:47.000 who are polling for them are probably overwhelmingly white that and also there might be a bit of

00:53:53.200 crossover considering the tate brothers keep responding underneath fraud's posts yes yes oh i think

00:54:00.340 it's probably also the tiktok campaigns that i was talking about last week because i showed a bit of

00:54:05.040 this last week as well and these two girls here they say that they're going to be voting or at least

00:54:09.580 everybody they know is voting reform and he asks them how well how have they found all of this

00:54:13.860 information out where are they getting this from and they say oh yeah they're getting it on tiktok

00:54:17.100 yeah but the thing is they're noticing it in the street so that's the guy on the bike they're just

00:54:20.240 seeing their local area being flooded by milling foreigners yeah hell is too many foreigners

00:54:24.340 looking that up online and immediately finding farage as i put on the caption on this clip so

00:54:30.440 you're getting these people flow to you because of your organic message so why change the message to

00:54:35.460 suddenly go we're not racist look here are brown people terrible terrible idea i mean just

00:54:39.560 before because i understand we're running out of time just before we wrap up so alison pearson went

00:54:43.200 down to clacton and interviewed farage on obviously the eve of the election and she spoke to a guy 18

00:54:47.000 year old guy called sam who lives in clacton and he's learning to be a carpenter and and he's got

00:54:51.660 a girlfriend and doing the right thing and he said the reason he's voting for farage because his

00:54:54.620 granddad who was 98 died a week ago spoke often about the lancaster bombers during the war he went

00:55:00.700 served with the lancaster bombers and he said he talked about the time this country pulled together and i

00:55:05.780 think we've lost that so obviously farage being deferential to the d-day service rather than rishi

00:55:09.380 sunak has incentivized him to vote for reform and when she asked him what do you think of sunak and

00:55:14.520 this is very telling he just went twat what do you think of karma twat who will make the wokies even

00:55:19.700 worse these people talk about gender at school we got it the whole time me and my mates we hate it

00:55:23.420 shut up i don't tell anyone what i do in bed with my girlfriend why do we have to hear what they do

00:55:28.020 it's just not normal and so they said okay well why do you like nigel then he just went because he's not

00:55:33.100 afraid that is the man that you should be seeking to win over that is the man whose message yours is

00:55:38.860 resonating with rather than oh we we need infinite legions of people that have arrived here yesterday

00:55:44.580 and don't have a deep ancestral connection and you can tell this is working because conservatives are

00:55:49.640 petrified because in this interview farage was asked about oh what happens when you wipe out all

00:55:54.840 the good conservatives like jacob reese marg and priti patel and kemi badenok and farage cut her off

00:55:59.460 and just went uh badenok is very unpleasant she uh rocco forte threw a party at brown's hotel

00:56:06.880 and i was looking forward to talking to her we had an unpleasant exchange and kemi was really

00:56:11.020 aggressive and she said how dare you if you come back you're going to split the vote you've got to

00:56:14.100 realize you're going to let us down very very badly sorry us he doesn't have a petition obligation to

00:56:20.120 continue the treacherous party that is the tories and kemi seems to know this because uh in the daily

00:56:25.060 express she lamented that voting reform risks losing hundreds of thousands of tory mps for a

00:56:29.760 generation that's the point yeah that's the entire point you deserve to be punished but there are one

00:56:34.540 or two good tory mps as we mentioned miriam cates or someone like andrea jeckins but the brand itself

00:56:40.160 is contaminated by the exact types like kemi badenok kemi badenok is not your girl no matter how many

00:56:44.880 times this podcast is stumped for her the only good tory is an unseated tory one might say so the

00:56:50.160 we'll finish on the delusions uh sunak is insisting that the hung parliament is within their grasp

00:56:54.560 i don't think he's taking a look at any of the polls madness anytime soon and i don't think he

00:56:59.160 believes this because he trotted out of all people boris johnson yesterday the man they actively

00:57:03.820 deposed the only one capable of winning a majority has now been trotted out to stump for people in the

00:57:10.520 party that he himself doesn't like and call everyone a putin apologist also possibly one of the most

00:57:15.200 disgusting and despicable traitors despite his positive press image that he does have sometimes

00:57:20.920 when the press wants to be wants to present him as a oh he's just a plucky blumb bumbling patriot

00:57:27.300 no he's a disgusting individual who no one should ever have voted for who has always had it in for

00:57:34.040 the people of this country who one of his biggest projects as i covered recently was the fact that

00:57:39.140 he's always been plumping to try and get amnesty for illegal immigrants at least in london stretching

00:57:44.700 out to the rest of the country and and um calvin asked a fair question why was i bringing that up

00:57:50.480 but there's such a latent app uh it was because of the fact i knew at some point the tories were

00:57:54.300 going to trot him out to try and win votes yes so just to finish on that don't remodel yourself in

00:58:00.820 the vein of boris johnson per richard tice's strange campaigning in ukraine and saying we're the party of

00:58:06.660 diversity instead look to those white working class left behind areas and those young lads who are

00:58:11.960 stumbling across on tiktok nigel's message and automatically resonating with it and if those

00:58:16.360 in the tory camps like suella braverman on the eve of the election publishes a piece in the telegraph

00:58:21.660 saying yeah we lost and we deserve to lose if your enemies are afraid and they think you're much

00:58:27.140 further right or scarier a boogeyman than you actually are then live up to that enemy then live

00:58:32.040 up to that image that the enemies of yours have in their head

00:58:34.900 all right i have to be a bit quick about this one but first to waste just a smidge of time

00:58:41.840 got to point out thanks for watching maven he sent me a message on twitter of a short midget in a police

00:58:48.780 outfit using a stepladder to slap a taller man so i'm glad that that my comment resonated with you

00:58:55.620 although even with the stepladder i question whether you could reach um them's fighting words harry

00:59:01.840 them is fighting words there uh so we've been talking a lot about british politics because

00:59:06.640 we've got the election coming up over here but as you all know there is another equally if not more

00:59:12.160 important election for the entire world coming up in november that being the american election and i

00:59:19.000 think it's interesting to note that after the debate last week i think the debate is a watershed moment

00:59:24.580 for one thing in particular which is the question of the deep state the deep state that thing that

00:59:32.180 we're told over and over again is a far-right evil conspiracy theory um but i think now the regime is

00:59:39.140 kind of gonna have to plump out and say okay yeah there's a bit of a deep state going on they'll find

00:59:46.000 euphemisms for it they'll find different ways of wording it but realistically nobody who watched the

00:59:52.460 debate last week thinks that joe biden is actually in charge of anything he's not even in charge of

00:59:57.760 his own bowel movements i was about to say that i got you got to it first um and so everybody is going

01:00:04.600 to have to say to themselves well who is in charge of america then because you're supposed to think the

01:00:09.540 executive has the prior is the last source of is the last uh step on power he's the one who has

01:00:16.120 ultimate decision making joe biden no no so who is well you're going to have to admit that at some point

01:00:21.640 okay there's going to be a whole host of bureaucrats heads of three letter agencies

01:00:26.200 and ngos and honestly just a whole blob of people that you've never even heard of and you never will

01:00:34.940 hear of who are actually in control and making the decisions and pulling the levers of power

01:00:40.060 and it's interesting because we are going to get more and more people admitting this slyly or not

01:00:46.740 and basically as far as i'm concerned normalizing it not in a way to try and hurt the regime but to

01:00:52.860 try and bolster it as we'll find out basically advertise it in a way that shouldn't you be grateful

01:00:58.260 shouldn't you be grateful that if you have a senile old man shitting himself on television

01:01:05.620 as the president then aren't you glad that someone's in charge that's what i can already sort of hear them

01:01:11.460 in my head justifying what they're doing just like are you not grateful for more checks and balances

01:01:17.480 you know you know what democracy is like you can elect the wrong person therefore you know having

01:01:22.880 a few people to keep the the excesses in check is actually a good thing you know it keeps america

01:01:28.320 stable and stops us causing problems yes but on the mention of the election just a reminder to

01:01:33.920 everybody that we do have the election night stream again going out tomorrow starting at seven it's free

01:01:39.220 to anybody on the website and you can also tune in on rumble so you don't have to be a member or

01:01:44.140 anything although you should be or else i'm going to judge you because you're obviously too poor to

01:01:48.480 afford a membership and if so maybe you should be not watching this and maybe you should be going and

01:01:53.100 working and earning some money for yourself you damn layabout also anybody who's ordered a copy of

01:01:58.040 islander that should be at the end of this week printed and sent out if i'm if i'm right there if you

01:02:03.600 are too poor to afford membership we also have a discount going on yes we do have a discount going on

01:02:08.080 uh for all of you scroungers out there which is code zero seats so jump on that interesting sales

01:02:14.640 tactic hey shaming has worked plenty of times before if you neg the audience they pay up this is what i

01:02:22.060 have learned so back to the deep state which totally doesn't exist according to the most reputable

01:02:27.500 trustworthy source ever the one that all of your teachers in school tell you to use wikipedia which

01:02:33.720 says that according to an american political conspiracy theory so not poisoning the well at

01:02:39.600 all with that very first line the deep state is a clandestine network of members of the federal

01:02:44.120 government especially within the fbi and cia because they've always known to be upstanding

01:02:48.480 organizations working in conjunction with high-level financial and industrial entities

01:02:52.840 and leaders to exercise power alongside or within the elected united states government isn't there the

01:02:59.080 hunter biden laptop story where wasn't it um at least 30 senior members of 51 was it 51 51 i was

01:03:07.140 going to say that but i i for some reason i thought it was fewer but around 50 if not more people in the

01:03:13.220 intelligence agencies telling tech companies to uh preemptively censor this russian disinformation

01:03:20.020 story that turned out to be true in the lead up to an election no well surely that is in

01:03:25.780 conjecture with high level this conjecture that's a misinformation that's a russian conspiracy

01:03:30.640 and throw out nixon from office no no that's russian misinformation now josh i know that you may

01:03:37.100 have spent many hours staring at those pictures of joe of hunter biden's penis uh that it haunts me

01:03:43.440 when i close my eyes i see its shadow but that doesn't mean there was any conspiracy the only thing

01:03:49.100 the fbi was trying to do was save those pictures from being plastered all over everybody's twitter's feed

01:03:54.700 so it was for the sake of prudence can the cia get them out of my head please if we well lucky for

01:04:01.320 you there was this incredible scheme called mk ultra which was totally above i like that one yeah and

01:04:07.160 elected by the electorate and the voter base as far as i'm aware at least that's what the cia does right

01:04:12.500 they work with your democratic mandate yeah didn't they spike random people with lsd so you know sounds

01:04:17.980 good to me so obviously conspiracy uh it goes on to say here the term deep state originated in the

01:04:23.480 1990s as a reference to an alleged long-time deep state in turkey but began to be used to refer to

01:04:28.920 the american government as well including during the obama administration however the theory reached

01:04:33.940 mainstream recognition under the presidency of donald trump who referenced an alleged deep state

01:04:39.500 working against him and his administration's agenda now remember this for a moment because

01:04:44.000 as ever with these kinds of evil and fake conspiracy theories you can find a lot of evidence for them

01:04:50.300 simply by scrolling past the opening paragraphs of the wikipedia page and see what it says here

01:04:58.760 if you go down where of course chuck schumer says oh it's really really dumb he criticized the cia but also

01:05:06.160 you shouldn't criticize the cia because quotes let me tell you you take on the intelligence community

01:05:11.200 they have six ways from sunday at getting back from you that's not an admission of anything at all

01:05:16.220 that is undermining what he said almost immediately uh my favorite one though is if i find it down

01:05:23.080 here uh where is it where is it here we go in 2018 the new york times published an enormous co

01:05:29.000 op-ed by department of homeland security chief of staff miles taylor titled i am part of the resistance

01:05:35.820 inside the trump administration attributed at the time to a senior official in the trump administration

01:05:41.160 in the essay taylor was critical of president trump and claimed that many of the senior officials in

01:05:45.520 his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his

01:05:50.680 worst inclinations so again wikipedia conspiracy theory maybe double check your own page for evidence

01:05:59.380 of the conspiracy theory being real i mean this is straight from the horse's mouth come on they just

01:06:04.680 started saying it yeah they literally they just started saying it well have you got any evidence for that

01:06:09.800 well yes here he is saying it himself i mean also there's there's there's plenty of evidence of

01:06:15.420 parallel things in the uk as well you know lots of people on his interview with liz trust went over

01:06:20.960 that what was it the obr projection the obr on the bank of england as soon as she said that she wanted

01:06:24.740 the lower migration they said they would essentially run a reputational blackmail exercise by publishing

01:06:29.700 damning statistics saying the economy would take a hit and therefore lower our standing with world banks

01:06:34.760 so you can't deviate from consensus policy otherwise you will become the shortest sitting prime minister

01:06:41.020 ever hmm all sounds above board to me what were you saying though josh i was just going to say that

01:06:46.720 there are plenty of people in the civil service and we've known this for some time you know it's a

01:06:50.100 running joke and yes minister that actually it's the the people who aren't elected that are running

01:06:56.280 the show and that's the whole premise of that that show which was long before modern times you know

01:07:02.900 steven edgington keeps doing exposés for gb news about how all the civil service members are pumping

01:07:07.380 loads of money into pride initiatives while on work hours well there was a critic article that he wrote

01:07:11.920 as well in the most recent issue where he was talking about that and actively naming names and saying

01:07:16.260 here is the name of a person who is actively trying to force this agenda and ideology onto his

01:07:21.460 department underneath him we should fire him a pretty good suggestion if you ask me but no no such

01:07:27.700 thing as a deep state and it's very amusing because if you look at this this is quite a recent article

01:07:32.660 from foreign affairs june 10th so obviously before the debate and this is what i'm going to talk about

01:07:38.220 with the watershed moment there is the before biden goes out and embarrasses himself again even worse

01:07:44.860 than before to the point where you can't deny it even if he had a cold no i've seen people on colds

01:07:51.100 they're not that bad um and then after moment of when it comes to talking about the deep state this is

01:07:57.180 incredible this is one of the worst articles i've ever read i'll read a few excerpts from it so you

01:08:02.860 can see that this person john d michaels clearly didn't even proofread his own article saying that

01:08:08.700 the deep state doesn't exist but if donald trump gets in he will build his own deep state so it's

01:08:14.960 possible that one can exist within the american political system but it doesn't yet oh unless trump

01:08:21.660 gets in and then the deep state is real projection all around he would rely on loyalists within federal

01:08:27.440 agencies to pursue an aggressive agenda which would include among other things authorizing the largest

01:08:32.100 deportation program in u.s history based purging supposed thugs and criminals from the justice system

01:08:37.320 based policing women's sports to prevent transgender women from participating based and censoring classroom

01:08:42.920 instructions to ban certain kinds of lessons about race from u.s schools also based so he might actually

01:08:48.540 you know implement the agenda that he would be elected into office off so this is terrible this is

01:08:54.120 awful and we in the civil service and people within the administration need to work to prevent that

01:08:59.820 his plan backed by a powerful network of right-wing lawyers and activists christopher rufo presumably

01:09:05.460 in line for senior appointments should trump prevail in november is not to obliterate federal uh regulatory

01:09:11.060 and law enforcement agencies but to colonize them radicalize them and weaponize them to do their

01:09:16.220 commander-in-chief's bidding which is implicitly saying that these organizations already hold a

01:09:20.740 ridiculous amount of power isn't isn't that what they're supposed to do anyway the president should

01:09:25.320 command executive authority that's the head of the executive that's kind of the point it's also

01:09:31.480 very different to our civil service because the civil service appointments aren't selected by the

01:09:34.900 sitting administration the administration in america gets to cycle out any federal employee it likes

01:09:39.060 they didn't do that the first time around they were going to do that schedule f and it didn't work

01:09:42.380 this time around they have competent people and now there's also project 2025 i believe from the

01:09:48.440 heritage foundation so other friendly organizations including people that i have spoken to and they are

01:09:53.680 very on the ball with this they they have our similar way of thinking yes but again bear in mind

01:09:58.200 the implication of that of that statement and then it finishes the paragraph by saying instead of

01:10:03.060 eradicating a purported deep state trump is angling to create one that's a bit of a contradiction

01:10:10.160 hang on how can you eradicate something that isn't there question here's josh this is going to be

01:10:16.480 your possibly favorite sentence from this entire thing and it might cause you to have a brain bleed

01:10:23.380 so prepare yourself have one of those they're not very nice there are no state-owned utilities of

01:10:28.920 consequence with the united states government and with the notable but practically neolithic exception of

01:10:35.620 the civil war the country has no culture or history of bureaucrats military officers or other

01:10:43.000 government functionaries engaging in subversive usurping or otherwise anti-democratic projects

01:10:48.820 it's it's so blatant the atf would like a word it's such a bald-faced lie the cheek to write

01:11:00.140 something like that is quite remarkable there are no dead kids in waco the article starts by

01:11:06.540 referencing waco i mean honestly but then this should be used as like this is the dictionary

01:11:14.900 definition of gaslighting a very long no it isn't

01:11:17.980 and then like a few paragraphs later the author says this in his first term trump achieved very

01:11:27.040 little by way of shrinking the overall size of government slowing the pace of regulation or

01:11:31.460 disciplining federal employees who don't tow the mega line worse those government officials whom

01:11:36.660 trump and his surrogate slurred and slandered as disloyal including anthony fauci and mark milley

01:11:42.660 the chairman of the joint's chief of staff regularly outmaneuvered him while taking care not to show him

01:11:48.060 up for the good of the nation so what they're saying is so he he did have people usurping him from below

01:11:53.340 he did have people working against his agenda who are permanent to a degree employees of the state

01:12:01.740 outside of the reach of a democratic mandate except for what the executive can do to shift them around

01:12:08.220 are you serious how could you write this and then write that but then it does reveal some interesting

01:12:17.440 information at the bottom which i wasn't aware of which further cements the point here which is

01:12:22.520 the biden administration has recently promulgated a rule that protects career government workers from

01:12:27.700 being reclassified as at-will employees precisely to thwart trump's plans to summarily dismiss tens

01:12:33.840 possibly hundreds of thousands of federal workers so they're trying to even more deeply cement

01:12:40.140 themselves into the system you can use an executive order to get rid of that and people will be on the

01:12:44.740 watch for that but it is still an attempt to try and make these entrenched bureaucrats even more so

01:12:50.220 than they already are and then it finishes oh my god can i'll scroll all the way down to the bottom

01:12:55.960 and then after this incredible example of gaslighting this left-wing meme yeah the yeah you are all the

01:13:02.140 text you are oh dear god how long does it go is somebody the election has already happened here we go

01:13:09.040 it ends with this time and time again civil servants in the united states have proven themselves to be

01:13:16.180 faithful resourceful stewards to the american people and the laws passed in their name

01:13:21.860 incredible absolutely i mean give it a round of applause folks that is if the american worst thing i've

01:13:31.480 ever read by the american people they mean whoever walked across the border yesterday then yeah this

01:13:37.140 is so disjointed so contradictory so insane i can only assume joe biden himself proofread it for the

01:13:45.200 author and made some suggestions but that's the kind of discourse that was going on about the deep state

01:13:49.800 prior to the election it's prior to the debate now what are we seeing well we're seeing articles like

01:13:55.680 this in the new statesman from uh so ram amari who you're aware the owner of compact mag i believe

01:14:03.540 that he is actually a trump supporter but he's a sort of left-wing economic trump supporter i wouldn't

01:14:09.540 be surprised he uh is a former neocon he to be fair to him he's a critic of david french so that's

01:14:16.000 something that we share in common with lobo it's true but still come on connor um he says biden's

01:14:23.240 performance should make us grateful for the deep state so it does exist and that's a good thing

01:14:30.680 now i checked his social media and i noticed that he was responding to criticism of this headline by

01:14:37.860 saying oh well the article was written with tongue firmly in cheek and that might be true whose cheeks

01:14:44.020 the deep state's backs on you i'm not going to speculate but let's read a little bit of it and judge

01:14:50.020 for ourselves whether this is really as damning an indictment of the deep state as you would want it

01:14:56.360 to be if the whole thing is supposed to be a bit of a tongue-in-cheek ribbing of the three-letter

01:15:01.740 agencies no ribbing connor ribbing the the permanent bureaucracy especially the national security apparatus

01:15:10.600 pursues its own long-term plans according to its own logic even if this means frustrating the will of

01:15:15.180 elected leaders but thursday's night's u.s presidential debate raises the question is that such

01:15:19.540 a bad thing when the elected leader in question is an 81 year old mired in the shadowy bogs of semi

01:15:24.820 senescence and yet the federal leviathan moves despite all of this it manages the largest bear in mind as

01:15:32.000 well the previous article said it doesn't really own anything of consequence well he points out here

01:15:36.120 it manages the largest land holding in the united states amounting to 640 million square miles or more

01:15:41.640 than a quarter a quarter of the country's land area oversees the world's biggest economy and prints

01:15:46.240 the world's reserve currency air force offers the commander-in-chief sovereign options that would

01:15:51.720 have been unthinkable to any emperor in the past it boasts 11 aircraft carriers uh it can execute

01:15:57.580 mind-boggling logistical feats like launching civilian say uh spacecraft beyond the solar system or

01:16:03.780 arranging the movement of an entire armored division from bases in say texas or colorado to the baltic

01:16:08.560 states it can intercept basically any and all electronic communications which sounds a lot like

01:16:13.120 a hefty amount of power for whoever is in charge of the agencies controlling that correct and then he

01:16:19.760 goes on to say what we call the biden presidency is actually a joint effort by cohort of national

01:16:24.260 security lawyers and military industrial types think of biden's national security advisor jake

01:16:29.160 sullivan though most of them are far less visible than he is i would also assume international banking and

01:16:34.440 finance interests would have a lot to do with that as well but that's just speculation on my part

01:16:39.040 the security apparatus has come to anchor the consensus by consensus of course we mean the

01:16:44.760 things that the security apparatus already wants to do diminishing the influence of presidents and

01:16:50.040 legislators this probably isn't a healthy development for a democratic republic in the long term

01:16:54.060 especially because try as they might the aforementioned national security lawyers and military

01:16:57.460 industrial types aren't close enough to main street americans to give fuller effect to the

01:17:00.660 popular will they don't care about the popular will hence for example the bidenites self-destructive

01:17:05.380 refusal to rethink open borders until it was too late the upside of the deep state capacity to do its

01:17:10.320 own thing on a consensus autopilot as it were is that few of liberals worst fears are likely to come to

01:17:16.120 pass as trump smashes his way past the dazed biden to become the head of the leviathan now again this is

01:17:22.020 all supposed to be tongue in cheek but it still has quite a conciliatory air to me of yeah it exists

01:17:30.120 and it is kind of useful and it still perpetuates a lot of the myths to do with the liberal democracy

01:17:38.200 as it exists in america right now which is that it's existing on some kind of democratic consensus

01:17:44.460 that's been handed to it by the electorate when we know for a fact the cia the fbi the atf all of

01:17:51.560 these organizations work for their own goals their own interests and don't give a damn what you in the

01:17:57.020 public think if they did then again they would rethink open borders and the very fact that this

01:18:04.380 was published in a mainstream publication like the new statesman suggests to me that we're going to get

01:18:10.220 more and more of this kind of thing tongue in cheek at first but more and more we're going to get talk

01:18:16.040 of how the deep state is actually of benefit to you to normalize frustrating trump's agenda yes

01:18:22.340 basically basically if he gets in and we've already seen how europe the eu is talking about how they can

01:18:28.980 basically uh make themselves a bulwark against russia if trump gets in and trump pulls out of nato or at

01:18:36.000 least um relinquishes some of the if um relinquishes some of the control of nato that america has or just

01:18:44.840 pulls out altogether and i've also seen in foreign policy i've mentioned this recently they were talking

01:18:49.460 about how they can trump proof the ukraine agenda and the ukraine war so they are already trying to

01:18:57.240 put blocks in the way of trump in case he does get in and in case they're not able to butter him up the

01:19:02.780 same way they were the last time and he actually tries to do something that his voters want him to

01:19:07.520 do so two very minor quick things on that first off i did see reporting today that ukraine has been

01:19:12.180 prevented from joining nato until it cleans up its corruption problem so i think that's been put on hold

01:19:16.580 for now two i've heard from credible sources that trump's vp pick will be marco rubio not just

01:19:23.700 because he can speak fluent spanish and trounce kamala harris in the telemundo debate but because

01:19:28.040 he is on the house intelligence committee he's from an old florida dynasty near where the intelligence

01:19:31.780 services are based and he can play nice with the deep state apparatus that frustrated trump from

01:19:36.940 before and this is why trump helped co-author the ukraine funding bill with mike johnson and mike

01:19:41.600 johnson speaker of the house had said well i wasn't going to fund them before but i had a meeting with

01:19:45.460 the fbi and i realized it was my duty so it seems there's going to be a sort of playing nice with

01:19:50.840 trump and the deep state and this might be why amari's written this piece actually perhaps but

01:19:55.800 also if if this kind of thing becomes more and more common that you're just going to throw out

01:20:01.900 all semblance of the facade of democracy and just say well you're really ruled by a bunch of unelected

01:20:08.640 bureaucrats i think within maybe the next 10 to 15 years we might just see the point where

01:20:13.140 our democracy is no longer even pointed to and it's just you throw away all of the fake shit

01:20:20.180 you throw away all of the nonsense to do with elections and just say yep we rule you get get

01:20:26.480 over it essentially so that's my prediction with that onto the video comments

01:20:31.640 no one on yesterday's episode gave this potential explanation on why the media turned on biden and

01:20:41.680 said that he sucked in the debate i think the media knows that trump is very likely to win

01:20:45.660 while the media is extremely partisan all the time it is still a semi-separate institution from the damn

01:20:51.020 party and they need to have at least some ounces of perceived legitimacy to critique trump in the future

01:20:55.740 they just could not say that biden was good at the debate especially as polls show that even a majority

01:21:01.000 of senate watchers thought the trump won i'd make you right on that prediction they can't layer a

01:21:07.300 hyper reality convincing enough atop that debate when biden was basically falling asleep at the

01:21:11.240 podium and was completely incompetent before we play the next one i think the remote is down by your

01:21:15.880 feet harry i just need to turn the tv up a little bit on our end i think it's over no it's over there

01:21:20.440 it's over here one moment folks don't panic he's not gone he still exists yes he's just there

01:21:28.060 yes i'm dressed like a top gear presenter i was thinking you look like daniel plainview at the

01:21:33.480 minute from there will be blood that might be it that's what i'll take that actually on with the

01:21:37.180 next one i too hate people why do you have to look at this are you serious are you serious

01:21:42.800 they just wanted equality the same rights as you and me every year they find a new way to push their

01:21:50.040 degeneracy and fetishes and honestly i can't think of any way of pushing this any further without

01:21:54.760 involving nambla put this in front of every goddamn left wings of pirate supporter you know

01:21:59.820 and get them to denounce this and if they don't remove them from your life

01:22:03.740 they should be removed from your life anyway it's just way easier only have friends that fundamentally

01:22:09.620 support your existential conception of where the world should be you can have minor disagreements but

01:22:15.560 if they would if you if you have someone in your life who would genuinely imprison you for hate

01:22:19.040 speech what are you doing that's a good point yeah i mean i have some friends that are left-wing that

01:22:24.100 i've known since i was like a young kid basically we don't necessarily agree on politics but i know

01:22:29.580 that they would oppose anything that would see me in prison yeah i know they have my interests at

01:22:34.180 heart that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying and also yeah pride isn't about acceptance or

01:22:37.980 equality it was always about abolishing your entitlement to judge them for being gross and to get positive

01:22:44.600 affirmation from you because their own consciences are screaming at them anyway on with the next one

01:22:48.580 i have a theory on how phases of liberalism have impacted british colonies

01:22:53.180 locke with his emphasis of negative liberalism and rousseau's positive liberalism were ascendant

01:22:59.520 while the u.s and canada were developing into nations

01:23:01.860 we've seen this one before but it's true french influence canada led way more towards positive

01:23:06.500 liberalism later bentham arrived with his emphasis on utility which he was willing to borrow from both

01:23:12.340 this is when australia was developing i think it definitely explains a lot about the characteristics

01:23:17.640 of each form of colony i think that's really interesting i think that's probably correct

01:23:22.160 yeah we played this one the last time i was on the podcast

01:23:25.020 well it's good to hear it again because it's true so there we go connor has heard it now thank you i

01:23:31.700 agree uh by the way if you want more on liberalism carl and i next friday will be on tim pool's culture

01:23:36.200 war show debating liberalism with someone so and if you want to hear the correct opinions about

01:23:40.380 liberalism we did a series of debates yeah that's true yeah which i was also on which i absolutely

01:23:45.160 um anyway on with the next one fighting talk then hello lotus eaters i like many others have

01:23:53.200 followed carl since about ye olde meme war and have been a silver tier member since day one

01:23:59.740 tomorrow and on the fourth i'll be posting some things you in the audience should find interesting

01:24:05.780 that i learned while researching for my american history focused youtube channel

01:24:10.420 mid-atlantic chronicles thank you and happy independence day for us all i mean it's not

01:24:17.780 really independence for us because we're going out of the frying pan into the fire servitude day but

01:24:22.140 thank you for the sentiment and good luck with the youtube channel yes definitely on with the next one

01:24:25.940 just a very quick exercise to release any tension headaches or migraines potentially brought on by

01:24:34.700 the news thank you very much for that by the way interlace your fingers bring them behind your head

01:24:41.160 release your elbows down release your head down hold a couple of minutes

01:24:45.680 there's no need for extra weight just release after gently bring your head back up maybe shake it out

01:24:53.940 see how you feel right now isn't that what you're meant to do when a plane is crashing

01:24:58.900 yeah it's so your remains are recognizable um i was expecting that it would be get down like that

01:25:05.540 and then scream my 4d chess theory is that rue the day being uh the bo simp in chat is just hoping to

01:25:11.900 see the delightful glean of the lights as soon as bo were to lean his head forward she was hoping he

01:25:16.480 was on the panel today i think she's hoping that one of us has a secret bald spot that we're hiding

01:25:20.720 wants us to reveal it to the camera yeah but no i appreciate that i mean the thing giving me a

01:25:25.720 headache at the minute is too fake so can't really do any oh yeah i know my neck's clicked your neck i

01:25:31.440 know that happens all the time i've got two things in this room right now giving me a headache but

01:25:34.880 anyway i'm on the next one yeah

01:25:37.680 stelios's pride segment on monday has ultimately proven that this is the very slippery slope

01:25:47.460 of everything that legitimizing gay rights has led to

01:25:53.360 this is why i think anita bryant was wrongly vilified by the media and gay rights activists

01:26:02.700 because she knew what would happen was this the 80s with um the 70s it was a segment i did last

01:26:10.860 year actually saying about how owen jones destroyed boomer truth because of course he posted a set a big

01:26:16.100 thread about anita bryant and uh it as always it revealed far too much entirely by accident same

01:26:23.500 time and message as mary whitehouse who has been utterly vindicated boo oh shut up you degenerate

01:26:29.580 i've been trying to film video comments outside just to show the beautiful place i live

01:26:36.160 right here in the middle of dutland this is just where i live and i try to take long walks every

01:26:41.240 single day because let me tell you getting off antidepressant medication is work the withdrawals

01:26:47.380 are long term and often delayed you have to eat right you have to get up you have to fight against

01:26:51.920 your own relapse but it's going to be worth it i'm sure it will it will be worth it good luck with it

01:26:59.100 absolutely yeah that looked very wholesome yeah on the next one a gentleman's observations of

01:27:04.980 swindon chapter 9 in 1796 the wilson barks canal began construction and in 1804 it reached swindon

01:27:10.100 it was completed in 1810 at 52 miles and was constructed using purbeck stone from okers quarry

01:27:14.420 in 1813 another act of parliament authorized the construction of the north wilts canal to connect

01:27:18.600 the wilson barks canal with the thames and seven canal which was completed the following year

01:27:21.960 this led to the creation of a reservoir at coat in 1822 now known as coatwater country park

01:27:26.980 the canals fell out of use at the end of the 19th century and they were abandoned and filled

01:27:30.460 in in 1914 such a shame isn't it that all that work to create you know a man-made waterway

01:27:37.780 other means of travel and we just fill them in want as soon as they're not convenient we

01:27:41.960 couldn't even beautify it and turn it into something useful for the natural world just

01:27:46.620 fill it with dirt pull up all of that tarmac that hides all of the lovely cobbled roads that

01:27:51.600 we have in our towns have a massive duck pond anyway on with the next one a gentleman's observations

01:27:57.980 of swindon chapter 10 in 1835 a railway project to connect london and bristol was approved and

01:28:02.740 isambard kingdom brunel was appointed as chief engineer swindon was chosen as part of the route

01:28:06.840 to make use of the canals for carrying coal and construction materials and because swindon was in

01:28:10.600 line between the two destinations the railway station was built in 1842 and housing for the railway

01:28:15.280 workers was constructed between 1841 and mid-1860s becoming known as the railway village the completion of

01:28:21.160 the great western railway made the canals obsolete and resulted in their eventual abandonment

01:28:24.760 i hate the sight of that railway station i've been there far too many times as do i however i'm sure

01:28:30.600 it looked lovely when it was first built but it has been slowly eroded over time funny funnily

01:28:36.620 enough swindon has quite a few parallels with crew and i was actually in there there over the weekend

01:28:42.840 and went to some houses that were built by the railway state by the railway company when the town was first

01:28:48.180 built and they're still in really great nick they're really lovely they're so much prettier

01:28:52.340 to look at the interiors of them very nice little courtyard so you've got space communal space for

01:28:57.880 everybody and i tell you man this country and some of these towns were so much better run when they

01:29:03.340 were in the hands of the railway companies i would happily if it was the same caliber of man as the railway

01:29:09.880 moguls back in the late 19th century i would happily hand over all of this country to the railway

01:29:15.780 companies again they would do such a better job you do sound like daniel playing with you don't you

01:29:20.680 the oil man was he wrong oh okay oh next one only my fellow devonian was intellectual enough to get

01:29:28.480 my heresy of the palestate of italian food and i see i must set you straight about a certain so-called

01:29:33.140 conservative duma peter hitchens is someone who speaks from high intellectual authority but says

01:29:37.840 things only a blithering idiot can maintain i really cannot emphasize enough the worth of reading

01:29:42.380 igor shafarewicz's analysis of the socialist phenomenon when he observes that socialists are

01:29:46.800 profoundly conservative but in the worst way hitchens never dropped his left-wing roots and he can only

01:29:52.120 whine about how he failed to change the world in fact he's not a conservative at all but a preservative

01:29:57.480 trapping us all in his aspic yeah you should watch mine and harrison's interview with matt goodwin who had

01:30:03.220 the unfortunate pleasure of exchanging with peter about the election last week about how basically he is

01:30:08.880 the eeyore of the british isles pretending he's the owl that's true yeah go on then what's this one

01:30:15.000 hello lotus eaters orcs for callum here celebrating his return to gold tier membership status with promo

01:30:23.700 code zero seats 71 percent of orcs are in favor of zero seats the other 29 percent want zero hummies

01:30:35.040 hail lord callum orcs orcs orcs orcs orcs orcs orcs orcs orcs orcs now that's a throwback

01:30:42.820 welcome back to gold yeah that was vintage lotus eaters there did i wake up in 2021

01:30:47.500 uh do we have any more oh yep oh find me well i've been a bit busy lately and tomorrow for obvious

01:30:55.300 reasons i'll still be busy but i still wish you guys to have a good stream and i do hope the tories get

01:31:01.200 zero seats because that's what they deserve other than that happy birthday to america yeah enjoy

01:31:06.860 independence day and i hope you're you're recreating that because that looks amazing we we can be very

01:31:12.740 critical of the american government and regime as it exists but if that was the if that's the true

01:31:18.640 spirit of america then i think it might be god damn i still love that it's certainly the spirit of

01:31:23.740 florida man yeah i mean keep fireworks going for sunday when i'm out the american people are still good

01:31:28.860 people yeah the whole i mean when i say if i were to live anywhere outside of the british isles it

01:31:33.220 would be america that is high praise when i have such beautiful countries in europe it's just that

01:31:38.380 their government suck right so we've probably got only a couple of minutes left so we might as well

01:31:41.820 go for it do you want to do the ones at the top sure um so um just some of the general comments oh

01:31:48.240 yeah i thought they were your segment but yeah go for it yeah um good afternoon chaps apologies in

01:31:51.720 advance if this gets answered um will there still be a 1 p.m podcast tomorrow so not on uh not

01:31:57.200 tomorrow and not friday because we will be way too tired we're gonna be up all night are you

01:32:01.860 mental yeah i'm gonna do that to us and i'm gonna want to die so no sorry um also there'll be no news

01:32:07.940 north fc zoomer says back on with the lads lineup gotta love it yes we wanted to make it a regular

01:32:13.020 fixture so that's shadow banned with uh 50 thank you very much um i've really appreciated your content

01:32:18.940 hoping we'll see something like contemplations come back soon also zero seats so um i know that i

01:32:25.640 want to do more sort of premium videos that are deep dives that um a bit more educational and i've

01:32:30.940 been talking to stelios because you know both of our series have ended to try and work together to

01:32:35.340 do something so a bit of foreshadowing there but uh there's there's something in the works where we've

01:32:40.460 got some scheming and we'll give you some nourishing good stuff in the future someone online says we're

01:32:45.880 so proud of harry for his new mug thank you it's a very nice mug i like your new mug so you know

01:32:51.640 we only had to bully him immensely to make him buy a new one i i bought a new mug before that was an

01:32:57.760 enormous godfather mug from a charity shop that i thought was going to have a lagoon of coffee

01:33:03.340 in it the first time i use it it cracks straight down the middle and breaks so to me that was a sign

01:33:09.940 from god that you can hold on to that other mug for just a little while longer but i always wanted

01:33:15.500 to get this annie moss says josh i'm really interested in your predictions on the number of seats that

01:33:21.080 reform is likely to win tomorrow bow says seven what say you connor and harry um i i already said

01:33:27.520 um last week but i gave a very optimistic one and basically trying to channel into the

01:33:33.140 unspoken masses who aren't answering the polls and said my top would be 25 okay so they're looking at

01:33:41.180 they're looking at seven in terms of the internal office the ones i have down i think are about six

01:33:45.600 or seven but it'll be ashfield clacton boston skegness which is tice's seat potential uh great

01:33:52.200 yarmouth new forest and basilden and billariki because the tories are really screwed up there

01:33:57.040 so that's and then there's one more in essex so i think there's that should be the seven i'll give

01:34:00.900 you a range of about five to ten that's very fence sitter however uh i think there is potential

01:34:08.080 actually for them to get a lot if it's sort of snowballs if there's a shock they could end up

01:34:12.280 having more seats than even the tories a lot of the places very unlikely a lot of the constituencies

01:34:19.260 as far as i'm aware just have a very small margin so they might get no seats or they might get a lot

01:34:25.700 they'll definitely get clacton there is no doubt for all just 75 and the labor candidate has basically

01:34:30.420 stepped down there yes well kia starmer's banished him to the midlands he's been exiled i still look

01:34:36.620 quite um on that i think we're on five minutes over time we've got a lot of uh rumble super

01:34:42.040 okay we should at least go through we might have to do those quickly because we are 35 over and i

01:34:46.380 have got a show yeah yeah yeah of course if you want if you want to fight i'll read all right

01:34:50.800 shadow ban for five dollars regarding conversion therapy talking to transgenders ropd teams and

01:34:55.980 suggesting they might not actually be trans uh should and should wait is often considered

01:35:00.000 conversion therapy labor's gonna ban that thread naught twenty dollars hoping this doesn't get censored

01:35:05.320 f off labor tories f off greens f off ukraine f off uh everything f off everything thank you very

01:35:12.220 much shadow ban for another five dollars what's up with played kymru is that how you pronounce it

01:35:17.200 whatever an smp weren't they essentially founded as ethno-nationalist why do they want their own

01:35:23.180 people to suffer immigration see that was the trick because you can only have essentially white

01:35:27.780 ethno-nationalism if you cloak it in progressive concerns see shin fein plied cumrag but but also it was

01:35:34.040 all to begin with uh josie angels five dollars scotus's decision on chevron has gutted the federal

01:35:40.780 government agency's free reign over americans that and ending governance agencies unions can decimate

01:35:45.580 the steep state maybe i mean it all depends on the political will to do so uh the supreme court

01:35:50.820 judgment means that they don't have to defer to the agencies it's whether the people within

01:35:55.300 government still do or not is really the question that although it is good i'm looking forward to seeing

01:36:00.160 the consequences of that we might cover it and for another five dollars josie angels again if rubio is

01:36:04.760 his vp it'll make it harder to steal another election just because of the demographics and optics and with

01:36:10.480 that thank you all for wanting to get in touch with us so much you know had to run over just to

01:36:14.340 accommodate it gents absolute pleasure we will be back tomorrow at 7 p.m no podcast on thursday and friday

01:36:21.080 and i'll be back in 20 minutes talking to paul morland about his new book until then take care and goodbye

01:36:26.940 you

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