The Lotus Eaters are joined by Stelios to talk about the Patriotic Rally in London and the Olympic debauchery in France. We also discuss the events of the day and what went on behind-the-scenes.
00:02:19.120It's quite impressive yes and it was twice as big as the last rally held in London and there
00:02:25.960were some speakers that you might recognize. One of them is Karl and Karl's added his whole speech
00:02:33.060while he's got it on Twitter here. I'm not going to play the whole thing because it's about 10
00:02:36.980minutes long but he's getting introduced by Tommy there. Karl's speech very good. Obviously went down
00:02:42.960very well as to be expected right and there was a very good photo that I saw of Karl there. So
00:02:49.600there's a photo of him on screen with all of the flags around. Isn't that isn't that great?
00:02:55.140Yeah I think he liked it as well because he made it his profile picture.
00:03:00.000So he did yeah. Well he said what an amazing photo so well done for taking that.
00:03:05.380But yes the general theme of it was patriotism. They had a whole load of speakers.
00:03:09.860Lawrence Fox was there. There he is sharing a picture of himself. The Voice of Wales.
00:03:15.020Obviously regular guests on Lotus Eaters were there as well. Had a good chat with them behind
00:03:20.840the scenes and there are also many other speakers that I won't name just for the sake of time but
00:03:25.880all the information is out there. There was a former soldier that I listened to. There are plenty
00:03:30.900of members of the Christian church there. There are plenty of musicians. You can see some on stage
00:03:36.360there already. And yeah some other people there. Who are these two people? We were there causing
00:03:44.440mischief defacing Nelson's Column. No we're just sat there behind the scenes in the shade because it
00:03:49.900was a really hot day which I think probably helped with people turning up. It's nice that you see the
00:03:54.640monuments without any graffitis on them. Yes there's no there wasn't any litter or graffiti. The bottle was
00:04:00.660there. That bottle was someone belonging to someone else and the one next to Bo was his. So we didn't
00:04:06.760even leave any rubbish. You know we're not we're better than that obviously. And yeah we were just sat
00:04:12.000there because that's pretty normal to sit there. It's not disrespectful or anything. But we got a good
00:04:17.900view and yes here's David Averton taking the picture of us. He sort of burst out from behind the scenes
00:04:23.660and started pointing at us out of nowhere. It was like something from a film. And yes while I was up
00:04:30.520there I took a video that gives you a better idea of the scope later on in the rally. There's probably
00:04:37.720going to be a bit of noise here. Oh yeah some of the music playing. I'm just going to mute that for the
00:04:42.160sake of it. But yeah you can see that it stretches right back. Very dense as well. Packed full of people.
00:04:49.040Very great atmosphere. I couldn't move through it. At one point I had to get to the toilets over there
00:04:53.740and it took me like 25 minutes to get get to the toilets because there are people like you're Josh
00:04:58.180from Lotus Eaters aren't you? But yeah it was a really lovely atmosphere. Everyone was very friendly.
00:05:03.220You know people would move out of the way of each other. People were chatting to one another and saying
00:05:07.380oh where have you come from and things like that. And it was all very pleasant and wholesome. And you know
00:05:11.640it's nice to see our capital city with a bunch of you know union flags and St. George's flags. There
00:05:19.360were some foreign flags there which seemed a bit strange to me for a British patriotic thing.
00:05:25.880There was a Ukrainian flag and an Israeli flag which I think was a bit weird. I don't know why
00:05:31.500you're taking those to a British patriotic thing and I don't really approve of that.
00:05:35.780I saw a tweet by David Atherton saying that he spotted a number of foreign flags and I must say
00:05:42.260the way I see it it's not necessarily bad because there is an understanding at the moment especially
00:05:49.200in Europe that you can love your nation without disrespecting other nations. So if people were
00:05:56.600there with different with foreign flags but agreeing with the premise and the principle of the rally
00:06:04.160I don't particularly think that that's bad. I think that that that's good.
00:06:08.580Yeah well I think it is the concern is slightly more about the the causes behind them. You know
00:06:14.360if you turned up Stelios. Yes yes yes. You turned up Stelios with a Greek flag I'd be like that's fine.
00:06:18.540You know Stelios you know he likes Britain. He likes to talk about British politics. He's you know on
00:06:23.720side but you know he is Greek. It makes sense that you care about Greece. I wouldn't be as confused about
00:06:29.000that but it's more that what they represent as political issues and I don't see that Britain's
00:06:33.480involvement in those things being important really. Okay. It's basically none of our business
00:06:37.980is my sort of position on it. So because of this and of course being announced early there was a
00:06:45.500counter-protest organized I believe by Stand Up to Racism which they say fascists are not welcome
00:06:52.060in London or anywhere. Join the mass mobilization to isolate fascist fraudsters like Tommy Robinson.
00:06:57.440So you know they're against fascism but they want to drive people out. Hmm. But yes there we go. They've got a picture of Tommy when he got pepper sprayed I think. And they're trying to present all of these British patriots here as fascists which is obviously not true.
00:07:17.940Now obviously not true. I mean for a start the flags were British flags. They didn't have you know the lightning bolt of the British fascist movement. They didn't have any of those flags in fact. And it wasn't like there were people going around telling people to take the flags down or whatever. They just weren't any. I didn't see any at all.
00:07:37.940Also if we mention some history. Last time I checked England was at war with fascist Italy in World War II. So by being patriotic about England and Britain one is is definitely not a fascist.
00:07:56.940I mean there were soldiers there as well talking about World War II. And you know it got cheers. Yes.
00:08:03.620You know it's still a very popular thing right. In fact the left is more fascist. It's much more fascist than others.
00:08:10.940It's funny that isn't it. Yeah. But the speakers at their event were much more inclined to call everyone there a fascist than your average person.
00:08:20.200And it was sort of an alliance of foreigners, unionists and socialists. Yeah. So you know it's like the Mos Eisley collection of people, private scum and villainy.
00:08:32.480So here we are. Here's their march. And I think that this will be the gist of it. They were very far away so they didn't really come into contact with the people in Trafalgar Square.
00:08:43.260I don't think it was as big, nearly as big as the patriotic one. So through their sort of frame, if Tommy Robinson stands for racism, then racism is winning quite significantly against stand up to racism.
00:08:58.280Obviously that's not what it's about. These people are people with nothing better to do. They just want a virtue signal.
00:09:04.100Notice how the only national flag there is a Palestinian one. Yes.
00:09:08.400Hmm. It's almost like they're not pro-British. It's almost like, you know, they're people in Britain that don't actually like the country they live in. It's strange.
00:09:20.340But here we are. Narendra Kaur, who has appeared on this podcast for some reason.
00:09:30.780Here she is saying, do you have as much diversity as the anti-racism day march?
00:09:37.140And here she pans around. There's one Indian guy. But then you see every kind of middle-class socialist possible from now on.
00:09:46.880Look at them all. Every variant of socialist you could imagine. Some trade unionists, some sort of long-haired, you know, music listeners, some weird scarf wearers.
00:09:58.920There's a guy holding a Palestinian flag.
00:10:01.120And we always know how diversity has worked within the left.
00:10:04.280Yes, well, it's never caused any infighting whatsoever.
00:10:11.000Yeah, since when? It's never been their strength.
00:10:15.380So, also, a usual suspect turned up. Jeremy Corbyn. There he is. Just in case there wasn't enough socialism at the event.
00:10:25.340The man himself turned up. I mean, when your opponents are a bunch of unwashed socialists and people flying Palestinian flags looking like a member of Hamas,
00:10:36.740you've got to feel like, well, the PR win is on our side, right?
00:10:44.120It's just, you can't get more wrong than Corbyn.
00:12:52.540There were peoples of different colors there.
00:12:55.060And everyone was watching a video that apparently Tommy Robinson should have not been broadcasting.
00:13:00.660But there were various other bands playing and conversations going on and speeches being given.
00:13:06.780But the overall atmosphere was one of people feeling that they wanted to come together to actually try and, in their views, save their country.
00:13:18.060And to quote Tommy Robinson, he called on his supporters to come to London yesterday because, and I quote,
00:26:12.700And it's also called a far-right conspiracy theory, which, you know, if you need to only read a graph of projected population change, look at censuses, the data vindicates that this is the way things are going.
00:26:27.340Yeah, so, no, I just want to say, because I've also presented something on this.
00:26:50.700In fact, you would say many of the central governments and central government agencies, both in England and in the European Union, they're taking that as a fact.
00:27:02.320And they're saying that because the birth rates aren't sustaining a particular number of the population that the GDP requires, well, we need to open the borders.
00:27:14.460Which is a fallacious argument anyway, isn't it?
00:27:16.840And the final thing they asked Tommy about, which I thought was kind of amusing, actually, was they asked him about Israel and they talked about, well, surely Palestine has a right to exist and things like that.
00:27:51.180It says, under Schedule 7, a police officer with the mandated accreditation does not need prior authority or suspicion to stop question search or, if necessary, detain someone.
00:28:00.920However, they may only stop and question a person for the purposes of allowing a determination of whether that person appears to be someone who is or who has been concerned in the commission, preparation, instigation of acts of terrorism.
00:28:14.160Which I don't think necessarily fits here, does it?
00:28:17.120Under Schedule 7, an individual has a legal duty to answer questions or provide any information requested for the purposes of the examination.
00:28:24.520So there's an important point to make here.
00:28:27.380No matter what you think of Tommy Robinson, this is a concerning use of the Terrorism Act in an inappropriate way.
00:28:34.560And because it's got written into it that you're legally obligated under threat of legal punishment to answer the questions,
00:28:42.060that is sort of making a mockery of prior legal precedent of, you know, your right to remain silent, of innocent until proven guilty.
00:28:51.760There are lots of precedents here that are being overlooked.
00:28:55.340And if you wanted to read the actual thing itself, I have linked this down below in the same place that you'll find the other stuff as well.
00:29:01.500This is the full act as written by law.
00:29:03.760If you wanted to read it, there might be some details there that are beyond me because I'm not a legal professional.
00:29:45.940But the problem is that laws do not apply themselves.
00:29:49.700Laws are interpreted by people and they're applied in particular cases.
00:29:56.040And selectively as well in that certain people can, we see this a lot in the United States, particularly in lower courts rather than the Supreme Court.
00:30:06.220People will twist the word of the law to mean...
00:30:10.900That is why we cannot rest assured just with having principles in the abstract just by saying we have the rule of law, full stop, nominally speaking.
00:30:22.660We need to have a culture that promotes the ideology and the ideas that make the rule of law something important, an ideal to cherish.
00:30:33.220And that is precisely what the left is doing by destroying the idea that patriotism is a civic ideal, which it is.
00:30:41.660And it is a civic ideal because it is precisely the idea of being a member of a culture, which you praise, you try to find what is good in it and feel gratitude for it.
00:30:53.820And because you do so, you think you're a part of something bigger.
00:30:57.260And you are going to show the eternal vigilance that, as classical liberals were saying, and classical republicans will keep tyrants at bay.
00:31:09.280It has specifically to do with promoting a culture.
00:31:14.200And it is very telling when the people who are trying to prosecute someone who is hosting a rally on patriotism are doing it in the name of rule of law.
00:31:25.880Well, yes, it's a complete inversion of what it should mean, isn't it?
00:31:32.580So it's worth mentioning as well that it's not even entirely clear which police were involved.
00:31:38.360I think my best guess would be that it were because Tommy was picked up in Folkestone, which is where you get the channel tunnel to the continent.
00:32:10.700But the Met police who were involved in the actual rally said that they had no involvement and were actually unaware of this going on at all.
00:32:16.460And there's Carl here saying that actually the Met did pretty well regarding the policing and I can find no fault in the way they've handled all of it.
00:34:51.460But what do you make of all of this in sum now, Stelios?
00:34:55.360Now I've been through the whole story.
00:34:57.640I think that basically caring for your country, caring for sustaining an idea of social cohesion structured around national identity has been unfairly demonised.
00:35:27.640So yes, obviously there's lots of concerning things going on here.
00:35:30.620And whatever you make of Tommy Robinson, what you can certainly acknowledge here is that there are lots of concerning lines being crossed by people who are opposed to him that I think no reasonable, decent person should have to tolerate.
00:35:43.200And I think that if a president gets set where people like him can get persecuted in that way, it's only going to get worse.
00:35:51.640And eventually it'll even get to the point where perhaps normal people will be persecuted in these sorts of ways.
00:35:56.680And even if you disagree with some of the details of what he says, I think it's still important to push back against the people who are persecuting him, because otherwise the alternative is they come for us next.
00:36:08.800And I've got some rumble chats to quickly read.
00:36:11.620I don't know whether it cut off at the end.
00:36:13.860So I'm going to repeat what I said as well, because I went on that segment for quite some time.
00:36:17.960I think it's fair to leave a bit more time for some of the website comments as well, so we don't miss any of you out.
00:36:23.740But the rumble chats from top to bottom are, that's a random name.
00:36:27.700Also, moments like these are mask off for people like Tyson Farage.
00:36:31.540Korea politicians are containment at best and subversive at worst.
00:36:35.640Be wary of Farage and don't trust reform.
00:37:43.080But we can push things in the same direction.
00:37:46.300And then once the paradigm is in our favor, we can then squabble about the details.
00:37:51.380But until the point where the grooming gangs are gone, all of these horrible problems that we talk about day in, day out have been sorted out.
00:41:04.480But I also kind of enjoyed it in a weird sort of sick way, in a sort of schadenfreude way of it was the French doing it.
00:41:12.160And if the international community, as it's called, views the French as weird and strange, I feel like I'm willing to take that as an Englishman as a win.
00:41:22.280Well, Josh, I don't know why you would feel happy with showing cringy stuff.
00:41:26.640Who would ever want to do a cringy segment?
00:41:28.960No one would ever do that at Lotus Eaters, especially no Greek people in this business.
00:46:39.220In this scene, we see the four horsemen of the apocalypse, including the white rider who represents the Antichrist and leads all nations in his wake.
00:46:48.240In Revelation chapter six, these horsemen are released to bring destruction, death, anguish, and suffering to humanity.
01:05:41.080Now I'm just having images inside that this is a lovely distillery where you have some good smoked scotch.
01:05:48.320I would like to have a little deck chair, prop it up on the beach with a fishing rod, have a bottle of scotch next to me, just put my feet up, maybe a pipe.
01:05:57.220And just catch some, you know, mackerel and salmon and enjoy it and watch the day go by.
01:06:45.820It's a good place to sit and contemplate, perhaps in a more Buddhist vein where you're, you know, you're exploring within rather than without, right?
01:07:48.340So I'm going to read some details about it.
01:07:50.160So successful holiday Latin farm business, over 2.5 miles of coastline and foreshore, permanent grazing and woodland if you want to bring over some cattle, superb sailing, fishing and water sports, a modest three-bedroom period farmhouse with stunning views, attractive traditional stone farm building with development potential, sheltered anchorage and mooring.
01:08:13.580Because, of course, you want to take your boat out if you've got, you know, 1.5 million island and an abundance and variety of wildlife and habitats, which, you know, for someone with a keen eye for the natural world, someone that appreciates it, that would be lovely.
01:08:28.020The only problem, really, is that the person interested in buying it isn't interested in any of those things.
01:08:36.520Because, actually, he wants to turn it into an Islamic state.
01:09:19.500Well, this is, of course, a good continuation of the increasing Islamization of Britain and the sort of ghettoization.
01:09:25.460We saw the Leeds riots where the police were driven out of a largely Muslim community.
01:09:29.860You know, they're rejecting the authority of the native British because they're getting in larger and larger numbers in the UK.
01:09:38.460Their population is one of the largest growing ones out of any demographic or religion.
01:09:43.120So, the Times reports, he was jailed in his home country in 2003 for inciting sectarianism after attacking key figures of Sunni Islam.
01:09:54.340Now, I don't know why we granted asylum to someone who was encouraging sectarianism in an Islamic country.
01:10:02.860And they also report, his Kuwaiti citizenship was revoked in 2010 after he described Aisha, wife of the Prophet Muhammad, as an enemy of God.
01:10:12.100And I thought this was a bit strange because I'm no Quranic scholar.
01:10:15.560I was just like, why would he say that?
01:10:16.680Obviously, she's the wife of the Prophet Muhammad.
01:10:20.080You'd think that she would be venerated, right?
01:10:23.740So, at the Battle of Camel, yes, that's what it's really called, Camel, as in humps, lives in the desert.
01:10:32.020In 656 AD, Aisha led an army against Ali, the fourth caliph and cousin of the son-in-law of Muhammad, who Shia Muslims regard as the rightful successor to Muhammad.
01:10:43.500And so, by her opposing him, it's seen as an act of rebellion against the divine appointment of Ali as the sort of continuation of Muhammad's will, right?
01:10:56.340I mean, it's so complicated because in any tradition, you have people who are trying to reinterpret it and just...
01:11:03.580Yeah, but the point is, people can't keep up.
01:13:09.700If you want to live free under the banner of the imam in a special homeland where you feel everything in it reminds you of the awaited Mahdi,
01:13:16.740which is the future messianic figure in it.
01:17:01.360And I have to point out that a lot of the intellectual, let's say multiculturalists, were saying that for multiculturalism to work, you do need a particular framework of law that everyone respects.
01:17:16.000So, if there is sectarianism where people have their pockets, geographical areas, where people have their own laws, that means that you don't have a country anymore.
01:17:26.620And also, this reminds me of, there was an account, I can't remember which European country it was, but the Japanese, one of the first sort of envoys to Europe, that were going around Europe, some of the European countries, to sort of explore our way of life.
01:17:40.280And I think it was either, I think it might be Portugal, but it could have also been the Netherlands, where they asked, well, we really like your castles.
01:17:50.880And then they said, well, if we were to buy one of these castles, is there any law preventing us from garrisoning it with our own men?
01:17:58.680And we were like, no, no, no, it's your property, you can do with it as you wish.
01:18:02.700And the Japanese were absolutely shocked at this.
01:18:05.800They were like, hang on a minute, so we can buy a castle, a military structure in your country, move in our soldiers, and occupy a plot of land in your country, and you're perfectly happy to sell us it?
01:18:20.880They were absolutely dumbfounded by this.
01:18:24.260And I think that that is quite the parallel to this sort of situation.
01:18:28.340The fact that it's even possible that a guy can do this in our country, and launch something that is antithetical to Britain, which is, you know, Sharia law, an Islamic island.
01:18:41.200And, you know, this is the worst remake of Jurassic Park I've ever heard of, because, you know, rather than it being cool dinosaurs trying to get you, it's going to be Muslims, which is kind of anticlimactic, really.
01:18:55.740But what it also reminds me of is this.
01:18:59.300I covered this a long time ago, and it was the Black Hammer Commune, and their plan, their weirdo, their sort of gay black nationalist communists, I think it's fair to say, led by Ghazi Kodso, who calls himself Black Hitler, or at least is referred to as Black Hitler.
01:19:14.900They were known for greeting each other and going, uh-huru, in a really camp voice.
01:19:21.860However, they planned to buy some land in the Colorado mountains and build a commune up there, these little homes.
01:19:32.180And I talked about it all the way back in May of 2021, and they were going to say they were going to practice agriculture and be self-sustaining.
01:19:39.200But the thing is, they were so high up in the Colorado mountains that nothing would have grown.
01:19:43.700And their ideas were so ridiculous, and it showed that they were so out of touch with the local area, that they thought that they could do this, that it was hilarious to me.
01:20:32.560Turns out, if you're a weirdo that wants to move away from society and, you know, create your parallel society in an inhospitable area that's not inhabited for a reason,
01:34:11.460A much needed ray of positivity for the upcoming week of a S show at work.
01:34:17.160Well, I hope it all goes all right and enjoy the read, I suppose.
01:34:20.680So for the Patriot Rally, Biggie Bigfoot says,
01:34:23.020My wife was in London that day and she said she noticed the flags in the gathering.
01:34:26.740I told her it was a peaceful rally in celebration of British culture and identity with speakers and gospel music.
01:34:31.380She said, Oh, that's actually really nice to see.
01:34:33.220But I don't know if you know, but I heard there was this other thing going on with that far right Tommy Robinson, probably trying to ruin it.
01:36:15.220The modern left will point to the ancient Greeks being somewhat flexible with their sexuality to justify being absolutely degenerate in their behavior today.
01:36:23.260But there are two important things they forget.
01:36:25.480Number one, the ancient Greeks would have considered them barbarians and would enslave them in a second and probably beat the degeneracy out of them.
01:36:33.320I mean, where Macron said, this is France, we'd have King Leonidas saying, this is Sparta.
01:37:11.160Platonic love is non-erotic, but you do get some characters in platonic, in platonic dialogues who are a bit homoerotic because they go out, the dialogue takes place out of nowhere.
01:37:23.960You know, the dialogue takes place in a gymnasium where people are exercising naked, you know, random.
01:37:32.540They're all chatting and that you've got all these gym bros talking philosophy and then you've got this sort of guy in the corner in the bushes.
01:38:13.180Chad Koala, as much as I'd like to attribute the Olympic opening ceremony to the French being, well, French, I think we'd see similar insanity from any Western European or English speaking country these days.
01:38:26.900In which case, buckle up for 2028 because I wouldn't count on the LA ceremony to be gashing with class and sophistication.
01:38:34.360I think Chad Koala is right because this is not about, this is just about Virtue Signal.