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00:00:00.000 we are live welcome to the podcast of the notice eaters it's the moment podcast fans around the

00:00:16.120 world have been waiting for yes it is tuesday the 13th of august in the year of our law 2024

00:00:24.420 i'm joined by dan tub hello and katherine blakelock hello um so today there's not that much shilling i

00:00:31.280 wasn't made aware of any shilling to begin with so we'll just jump straight in katherine we're going

00:00:35.340 to do your segment and you're going to talk all about the freedom of speech is under fire yes um

00:00:41.940 so obviously we've had a tumultuous couple of weeks um i just refer you up to the um the the screen

00:00:50.000 i i vaguely know active patriot i don't know who york's rose was i met active patriot um when i was

00:00:59.920 filming on the docks of dover and as far as i'm aware he has done what he has been one of the most

00:01:06.340 active people filming day after day in dover of illegal migrants so this is this is the guy who's

00:01:11.840 been filming the boats basically yes start yes right from the start and um i actually met nigel

00:01:18.760 on those docks as well right he was filming um and so it appears that active patriot has been arrested

00:01:26.800 and like many of the events this week we don't get full information um i think he's a working class guy

00:01:35.040 and he's probably not got any legal representation but we have had a number of people like that

00:01:43.080 being picked off and the question comes we have no first amendment what is it that makes you get

00:01:50.680 picked off um am i going to get picked off is nigel going to get picked off nigel farage um 0.99

00:01:58.860 we we don't know for example is the word um illegal immigrant a is that insightful the the wording is so

00:02:09.700 vague so you can be people have been arrested for very obvious things like saying that you know

00:02:17.120 immigration hotel migrant hotels should be burnt down but people appear to have been arrested as well

00:02:22.800 for simply talking about illegal migration or posting too many films so this could be hubris and

00:02:30.260 i could be entirely wrong but i suspect what you hinted at the beginning there is the correct thing which is

00:02:35.320 he's working class and he won't have good legal representation that's the kind of person they go after 1.00

00:02:39.840 because if you look at what you know what what douglas murray or you know even i say about the subject

00:02:45.060 you know at the heart of it it's not wildly different to what a lot of these guys are saying

00:02:49.680 yeah the difference is if they go after douglas murray or i you know the first call we make is through

00:02:54.160 a very expensive lawyer and they will have to spend months going through that and then if they put me

00:02:59.960 in a courtroom i you know they want to put me in front of a court and i'll say well i'm not taking

00:03:04.380 the um uh what do you call them the the magistrates i'm not taking that i want a full trial and then

00:03:10.240 i'm going to stand there and give the full presentation yeah uh and and i will eat up a vast

00:03:15.320 amount of their budget going through this whereas the working class guys are just going to say oh just

00:03:20.540 give me the appointed guy and let's just do it a magistrate well and also their language is a little

00:03:24.840 bit different you know a bit rougher it's uh it's well i mean douglas murray is talking about

00:03:30.280 remigration correct correct so so yes so what what is horrifying about this entire thing is you know

00:03:37.520 is is is it all the words illegal immigration um going to be insightful and we're getting to the

00:03:45.940 point where it appears that there was a very funny one where it's this is a Sikh guy or an Indian who's

00:03:51.640 a supporter of Tommy Robinson and he said um 700 dinghy wallahs arrived yesterday i don't know if

00:03:59.120 you know but a wallah is a chai wallah is a guy who serves tea in India it means sort of like a bod

00:04:05.280 right like a cleaner wallah a dinghy wallah so we can all talk now about dinghy wallahs maybe that

00:04:11.100 will be a bit did he get arrested or well no he's not been arrested but i think it's very deliberately

00:04:15.920 ambiguous though i mean like in 1984 they the party big brother will change the rules

00:04:21.020 yeah it doesn't tell anyone and that's part of the game that's part of the the terrifying nature

00:04:26.160 of it you don't know america has a first amendment and it's very very clear really it's pretty clear

00:04:33.120 it allows holocaust deniers that's not a problem for america but when it is specifically targeted at

00:04:40.860 a person and that is why for example we're going to go on to west streetings um hold on let's see

00:04:49.660 where west streeting is um i've seen to here we are west streeting west streeting has targeted

00:04:56.780 individuals here very very specifically by name now that in my opinion under and i'm not a lawyer but

00:05:05.040 under first amendment rights that would not be protected certainly if there was considered a

00:05:10.800 direct threat to those people and obviously so this is this is a labor mp and he's talking he's

00:05:16.760 the health minister oh the health minister he's now we're streeting the health minister but for

00:05:22.540 those who are listening he's making the case for pushing a particular woman under a train who is

00:05:26.440 i believe a daily mail journalist and of course followed by gert wilders who is um the politician in

00:05:33.600 holland the far you know well what we call the right wing far right um but yeah so this this now 0.99

00:05:40.360 we also of course had um ricky jones who said that he would like to cut the throats of all fascists 0.92

00:05:48.560 so hang on this was the this was the labor labor counselor and and he came out saying that we should 1.00

00:05:54.600 cut the throat of the rioters uh cut the throats of all fascists but by that he basically means the 0.99

00:06:01.520 entire working class i think he means about 60 percent of the british population yes i mean we 0.98

00:06:08.660 go back i think i think he has been he has been arrested but he hasn't been charged and so we

00:06:13.940 you know we've got people have already been again this is the really weird thing about the legal process

00:06:19.140 the courts are in chaos the small claims court takes two years to get through

00:06:23.560 generally even remand people are taking nine months and some of these people have been sentenced

00:06:29.400 in two days to three years it's well it it it doesn't make sense if you look at it as the

00:06:35.420 system as a whole if you look at it in terms of our friends don't get prosecuted and our enemies do

00:06:42.660 get prosecuted well then it suddenly makes sense yeah i i think i don't know we go to this one there

00:06:48.480 was one tweet there but the middle one by west streeting yeah put that back up sense and that's

00:06:52.300 quite remarkable even if it's sort of tongue-in-cheek and he's not being serious but he says considering

00:06:57.120 starting my own vigilante organization to push nasty people under trains first up january i'm not

00:07:02.740 followed by i think she's a journalist now i mean to put that into context sort of that's a mad thing

00:07:07.540 if you said exactly the same thing but you you said um i know immigrants or or you named uh you name

00:07:14.260 an immigrant person or something you would most definitely be arrested for that for example femi 1.00

00:07:19.740 let's say we named femi and said we would like to push him under a trade and start a vigilante group 0.85

00:07:25.340 against him that a hundred percent you go to travel in this country for that yeah

00:07:30.020 it's funny the engagement you've got on that three likes

00:07:34.240 so let's just have a quick look at the headline for the romanian can you move the the it's on to

00:07:44.800 where the romanian is hold on i'm sorry about this well which romanian is that is that the one who 0.96

00:07:50.100 had a diversity episode in leicester square yesterday no he's he the the romanian here we

00:07:55.360 are this one this is a new one yesterday two days ago now this to me looks like oh let's get a bit

00:08:03.060 equal so that we're not two tier so this guy i mean i bet he's shocked he he i think did a tiktok

00:08:12.160 saying that he was being chased by some far-right people it wasn't true and it wasn't true and he's got

00:08:18.660 three months now i even that i find quite extraordinary that he he has been charged

00:08:26.760 yeah i don't i don't agree with that either i don't agree with it it is weird but they did

00:08:31.000 that because normally i mean well for a start it's three months if yes not 36 of course yeah he would

00:08:36.260 have got yeah you would have got somewhere between 20 and 36 it was the other way around but

00:08:39.680 interesting that they're trying to that's an equalization up job well well this this comes

00:08:46.600 of course after um two weeks of elon musk calling kia starmer two-tier kia yeah so so they they needed

00:08:54.140 to try and show something so what are the details of this is that all he did he claimed he was being

00:08:59.200 chased by a far-right mob and wasn't is that all he did that's what he did in a tiktok video apparently

00:09:04.320 and it got 700 views which wasn't exactly sort of going viral was it no i bet he's a bit shocked

00:09:11.940 himself absolutely horrified i mean you know i would i would yes he lied obviously but was he

00:09:20.100 insightful you know this is the issue i mean the other issue is the conservative counselor yet she 0.75

00:09:26.780 said when she named the the theoretically the muslim who had done the southport stabbings and she said

00:09:35.020 something like supposedly or um it appears that or it might be she had prefaced it that

00:09:44.040 did she she did preface it it was allegedly allegedly yes she prefaced it i mean i made a

00:09:52.400 but hang on hang on and she's gone to jail for 36 months i believe she's gone to jail for 36 months 0.98

00:09:58.880 for saying that this thing might be true that but he was a muslim that this is a muslim asylum seeker

00:10:04.620 named whatever god now the point is if she had said i believe the guy it'd be very interesting as

00:10:11.300 well because if she'd said um i believe the guy is david jones and he's a criminal or um if she'd said

00:10:20.260 his name is amit patel what the response would it be i'm convinced they would have been different

00:10:26.440 according to what name you had used i mean that that there's a specific thing that if you say

00:10:32.140 you might be a muslim then it's going to be much worse than a than an indian or a nepalese guy 1.00

00:10:37.840 protected groups are encoded in law yes yes so let's i just want to talk a bit about the

00:10:44.120 communities issue um hold on i'm not sure i can get um right this is this is a really interesting

00:10:52.500 issue so this brings us back onto nigel um there is some evidence that support for nigel during this

00:11:01.080 is going down and not up um by some polls sky produced one um probably not reliable then but

00:11:09.920 the first point about this is is um who you know we seem to have clearly people in the islamic

00:11:19.220 community and in the roma community who are leaders and you can talk to and i don't know who

00:11:25.180 you know you'd have mosque leaders the police seem to know who they are they seem to know who they are

00:11:29.200 who are our leaders i mean who are who is a working class leader in a community in hull well every time

00:11:36.640 somebody sticks their head above the parapet they get harassed and their lives destroyed until they

00:11:40.360 ever give up flee the country or go to jail yes but the point is that nigel is effectively there are 1.00

00:11:47.740 two leaders we have really at the moment one of them is tommy robinson and one of them is nigel

00:11:52.940 yes and if anybody could lead it would be nigel and i i i do speak to nigel and i said you should go 0.72

00:12:01.200 to southport you should be now standing up and you should risk arrest and it doesn't matter what the

00:12:08.460 left say because they'll call you thugs in suits as we saw on one of those tweets the bbc journalist

00:12:14.200 called him a thug in a suit and this is what i i feel is is really wrong at the moment is that

00:12:20.380 instead of standing up he's effectively been hiding he's hardly said anything at all i would like to see

00:12:26.980 him come out as like a firebrand yeah absolutely standing standing on the principles of free speech

00:12:34.080 very very strongly it's not him though is it like it's not as important anymore that he keeps his

00:12:39.860 powder dryer for radio four that's less important now i i've said to him life has moved on nigel

00:12:46.400 this might have worked five years ago ten years ago this isn't a strategy anymore we have moved into

00:12:52.400 a new period we've moved into a totalitarian marxist um left-wing government who are going to use 0.97

00:13:00.460 every legal means and you will not be able to distinguish your free speech from tommy robinson's

00:13:06.440 free speech or our free speech um to which nigel replied that um you know he wasn't going to be 0.95

00:13:15.140 associated with people who advocated violence now actually that is quite offensive to people

00:13:23.440 all of us around this this table there's no way we advocate violence and i don't really think that

00:13:30.800 tommy robinson has advocated violence at all but you know this was a mandela moment this was a moment

00:13:38.460 where you know you could have stood in the street in south port and even got yourself arrested and said

00:13:45.160 or asked people to stop and are and made some proposals about what keir starmer should do and what you

00:13:51.560 would like to do well i mean bear in mind that they have got to the point with this where

00:13:55.360 even attending one of these things even if you did nothing i mean the judge has said even if you

00:14:01.520 simply stood to one side yeah and watched it unfold that is a jailable offense yeah and there was a man

00:14:08.640 with a dog who was trying to get through who got arrested he was trying to go home and he was just

00:14:14.820 knocked to the floor i mean we are in a you know we're in venezuela we're in we're in in the soviet

00:14:22.500 union now we're the looking guys there's only a small line between this and the end of elections

00:14:29.820 between total lawfare between arresting all your political opponents um you know not just a question

00:14:38.560 of picking them off but actually arresting them and events are moving so quickly i mean we can see for

00:14:44.160 example here well this is a panicky panicky brittle government um hold on where's well that going

00:14:51.720 back to that look that is well we've got a bbc he's worked for the bbc nigel farage is a thug in a suit 0.70

00:14:57.720 um just you know really isn't thuggish is he he's not a thuggish he hasn't got thug life tattooed on

00:15:06.840 his stomach like t-pack is he i mean he's not really if you were going to the football terraces

00:15:10.840 you wouldn't want nigel watching your back would you i mean it's not i don't think nigel carries 1.00

00:15:15.440 around brass knucks with him or anything like that right he's not thuggish but this is a point where

00:15:20.280 you needed strong somebody to lead not elon musk from the other side of the world no i mean the

00:15:26.380 conservatives have been silent just totally silent i haven't seen an enormous amount i've seen a bit

00:15:33.680 of richard tice he's actually stood up i think alex phillips has done a good job she's been more

00:15:40.220 vocal um than than nigel has i would like to see nigel getting a bit angry show a bit of emotion 0.62

00:15:47.680 you know come on come on we're dying for it and not throw you know as we um who is it dominant frisbee

00:15:56.160 who did uh he he's a comedian he's been on here a few times good guy he said you know we're all far

00:16:02.920 right now nigel should not have thrown tommy robinson under the bus he should not have thrown them that 1.00

00:16:08.860 they are all right-wing thugs you cannot have 60 million sorry 60 percent 70 percent of the population

00:16:16.460 i.e ordinary people as right-wing thugs and it was just the wrong thing to say and i mean again i don't 0.63

00:16:24.440 know sorry these are not uh whether i've sorry what are you looking i'm looking for the um that poll

00:16:31.700 um here we are um support for nigel farage plummets amid uk riots he tries to have his cake and eat it 0.86

00:16:45.120 too now i don't know what the numbers are on this but and also it's coming from sky news so it is coming

00:16:51.460 from sky news but but let's put it this way let's go back to the last let's go back to covid nigel did 0.87

00:16:58.840 not stand up in covid he did not at all he led the seeds for this totalitarian government to be put in

00:17:06.600 place he said nothing to help anybody he did bang a pot in solidarity with the nhs though yes

00:17:13.720 but pierce corbin yes jeff wyatt those were two of the jeff is now sadly passed but they they were

00:17:21.880 the people who stood stood up and were arrested and arrested and arrested um andrew bridgen similarly

00:17:28.560 now the next question is and not i don't know whether people know but andrew bridgen asked to go

00:17:34.340 to reform before this election and was rejected now he would have been an almost certain win

00:17:41.300 for reform he was well known and they rejected him why that's the question why well i think i

00:17:50.460 think i think farage is just overly cautious and and i think farage is somebody who gets us to a point

00:17:55.180 but no further and that leads us is how you unite these groups that are all over the place little groups

00:18:04.300 um without this thing becoming a big problem a bigger problem and we if if everybody is arrested

00:18:12.260 picked off then obviously we will eventually go into some underground type of irish yeah republican

00:18:20.100 type of thing and that's very scary or we will get get continual lawfare and we will get elections

00:18:26.840 cancelled but you know it it is it's terrifying in my opinion i i'm very very scared about what's

00:18:34.460 happening yeah i would like to see more from nigel a bit of the thomas more about him saying no this is 0.86

00:18:40.380 a lion in the sand here uh all i am all i ever can own is the ground i stand upon i the values of freedom

00:18:48.820 of speech and that that's absolute and okay you send me to robin island so be it i'll become a true

00:18:54.840 dissident then um he would become more powerful than someone could ever imagine if if he actually

00:19:02.880 sort of outlawed him uh you know sitting member of parliament yeah um so yeah i would the the the

00:19:09.700 thing that gets me about this whole thing with nigel is that the the country's begging for it there's 1.00

00:19:15.960 there's an open door and we were looking at the statistics of the 215 election versus the 224 election

00:19:21.840 we have the implosion of the conservative party i mean complete implosion we have the

00:19:29.140 illegal immigration and migration numbers out of all control the crime out of control in the 0.95

00:19:36.360 eight the nine years between those two elections and nigel's vote moved from 3.9 million to 4.2 million

00:19:43.660 a little bit less than that he gained just north of 200 000 votes which proportionally is probably

00:19:50.360 less than the population which is nothing it's appalling it was a terrible result and nobody talks

00:19:56.320 about why why or why was that such a bad result and i can tell you why that was such a bad result as

00:20:03.900 i've said to nigel you now have more people outside the party looking in who you've chucked out for all 0.99

00:20:11.140 sorts of reasons myself you you we are activists we are people who are prepared to die for our country

00:20:19.460 not somebody who's just sort of some 65 year old overweight guy who you can control with a thumb

00:20:27.060 screw to not say anything who's sort of a paper candidate you shouldn't be putting paper candidates

00:20:33.000 up you've got enough real candidates in this country real ones and when you say that to him

00:20:39.300 what was his answer tell me robinson's a thug not exactly but that's the gist of it

00:20:47.620 it's it's it's extremely sad um i've said it before i think it does boil down to that

00:20:56.020 you know going on radio four or going on nick robinson or something uh being grilled by

00:21:03.360 laura koenigsberg or something and he wants to be able to say that he's cleaner than clean

00:21:07.940 um um and you know and the problem is he isn't and i've got conservative friends you know i'm talking

00:21:15.540 about you know country solicitor type people you know they're not wealth particularly wealthy but

00:21:21.860 they're solid middle class live in norfolk live in hampshire and they say to me things like

00:21:28.200 well i basically agree with what nigel says but can i hold my nose enough to vote for him 0.96

00:21:34.520 do you know why they say that no they're moral cowards i don't know no they say that because

00:21:42.780 that he isn't cleaner than clean there's always been this sort of surrounding himself by people for

00:21:51.020 example posh george who is a convicted fallon i don't know who that is um posh george is um

00:21:59.820 extremely wealthy young guy who went out with um what's the name gigolo you know the this made in

00:22:08.180 chelsea set okay it's a made in chelsea set it's a sort of daily mail gossip column set but he was

00:22:14.800 convicted of uh of of fraud and various other things i think in the states and there's there's been a

00:22:20.220 sort of surround of one of two of these people and it's also the way that nigel just sort of 0.99

00:22:25.160 get somebody on a train like henry bolton and then the next minute he's off the train and he's got

00:22:31.660 the new guy the uh chair who he met five minutes ago so there's no building there's no there's no

00:22:39.640 structure of people you can say for example that the labor built very well i mean yvette cooper who

00:22:45.180 has popped up again and they're all the same sort of one or two names but this so there is a slight

00:22:52.720 amount of that it can be class snobbishness but there's there's something about it that they don't like

00:23:01.860 and yes and i can't pin my fingers on it but that was the exact quote of a friend of mine who is

00:23:11.520 incredibly sensible a sensible sort of ordinary woman yeah well my take on this might be a bit 0.63

00:23:18.260 pessimistic but basically in order for there to be any change we kind of have to let nature do its

00:23:23.380 course and for the generation of people who get all of their news from newspapers and the tv

00:23:27.740 uh to pass on because you there is and i've tried this there was nothing you can say to these people

00:23:34.180 you can get them to a point and they'll agree with you and then you'll come back the day later

00:23:38.000 and they've oh did you see what the the daily mail said or something like that they just that you

00:23:43.480 cannot move them from that mindset and i wonder if that's really the demographic nigel should be 0.99

00:23:48.900 aiming at sort of middle class sort of older solicitor women type isn't it isn't it the working 1.00

00:23:55.740 class men of the north and the midlands isn't that who we should let's look at what actually happened

00:24:01.160 in that election in the last election okay nigel won what i called weird places weird places 0.95

00:24:08.280 peripherals and the the main thing that he wanted apart from anderson who's different because

00:24:15.280 obviously he's got form he stood for the conservatives and labor and he's a sitting mp so he's got his own

00:24:20.340 base but nigel won places which have the people who were pushed out of the east end of london and who

00:24:29.420 retired to great yarmouth thurrock and claxton and there are 60 plus and that's his demographic

00:24:36.740 the conservatives won the countryside from friends like my people in hampshire and norfolk and labor

00:24:44.880 won the cities and the north yeah and all of them kind of by default because turnout was virtually nothing

00:24:52.600 and turnout was and we talked about this a little bit the turnout was way worse because nobody has

00:24:59.380 looked at the fact that 10 to 15 percent of the population are not registered to vote yes and

00:25:04.600 there's nothing so if we had a 60 percent turnout we actually had a 45 to 50 percent or 50 percent

00:25:10.660 turnout if 15 percent weren't counted i calculated on that basis if we took using the electoral commission's

00:25:18.880 numbers of say an average of 15 percent weren't weren't registered labor one on 15.5 percent of

00:25:26.120 the population and the issue for anybody who wants to do move on with politics is what is happening to

00:25:34.540 those 50 percent of the population and how do you get them because they are middle england they are

00:25:40.880 northern northern people who just can't be bothered don't make the effort didn't get the paper in it's just

00:25:47.400 nothing when they shut out the process to the point where it doesn't matter what they so if we need

00:25:53.800 nigel to sort of step up and become a true leader and oliver cromwell almost leader not in the military

00:25:59.740 sense uh but you know speak to the disaffected do you think he's got it in him to actually do that

00:26:06.300 no no because he's not prepared to get dirty and what i mean by that is to stand with a lot of people

00:26:15.260 who don't talk in a particularly nice way and who are bricklayers and and a bit rough and really

00:26:24.140 move this on and and talk to the working class because the working class are a large proportion

00:26:31.860 of this population still yeah well and they've basically just been criminalized at this point

00:26:36.000 and if he put himself directly alongside them and said okay well fine if you want to criminalize

00:26:44.180 these people put me in jail and just dare them to do it i just don't think trump would have done this

00:26:49.000 i don't think trump would have reacted like this i think trump would have reacted more like

00:26:54.520 musk has been reacting you know it should have been nigel saying those things and it should have 1.00

00:27:01.120 been nigel going to south port and being the leader of the community that everybody's talking about 0.95

00:27:06.960 these leaders except we don't have one i like how yeah musk will drop f-bombs sometimes you know 0.92

00:27:14.280 there's a bit of emotion there there's a bit of fire in the belly i'm not getting that from nigel 0.96

00:27:19.060 at the moment there doesn't seem to be any fire in the belly he's he's he's also you know i'm the

00:27:25.180 same age as nigel there's no question you lose energy suddenly drops off a cliff at about 60 which is 1.00

00:27:32.380 you know when you look at retirement ages i get why they are that they sort of suddenly collapses

00:27:36.900 and he's made it to being mp he did it finally so is that it because he did it he achieved that

00:27:45.180 you know they can't say you tried eight times and didn't do it he did it he needs he needs to hand

00:27:49.600 over to somebody else then i think so but he also needs to change the structure of reform

00:27:56.160 getting a structure would be a good thing getting a structure it needs to stop it being a limited

00:28:00.660 company and he needs to open it up to leadership contests and i i think he needs to open up you

00:28:08.720 know the entire discussion to encompass a broader group of people i would like it that he just steps

00:28:15.400 completely outside the overton window to the right obviously and when he's grilled by someone like

00:28:20.880 krishnan guru murphy about something about something or other which is outside their paradigm of what's

00:28:26.580 allowed just go yeah no yeah i did it yeah not apologizing you know like elon like trump does

00:28:31.500 sometimes does but yeah now we're talking about this yeah i use those words yeah now what that's

00:28:37.580 what i want to see and we need somebody younger we need somebody who is 35 to 40 we just need

00:28:47.020 another face because you know he's been around a long time and everybody knows what nigel's going to 1.00

00:28:51.900 the same old sort of stuff it's not very exciting no not me i don't have the cognitive capacity to

00:28:58.060 leave here we are all right i'll do it go on then bro sort it out no we do i i know either of you two

00:29:08.060 there's an image of face we've seen it i mean even the guy in argentina and we want somebody who's

00:29:14.740 yeah what is his name the guy with the hair malay yeah get the chainsaw out well i mean actually

00:29:19.780 somebody like trump or malay or yeah or i would see them as male although they could be female i

00:29:26.440 you know i mean probably best not but yeah yeah but but but yeah you know this it's possible it's not

00:29:33.500 a problem but okay i wanted to talk about something which is yeah i wanted to talk about something which

00:29:39.180 is uh it's sort of highly connected to this actually it's it's a poll that you know has been doing

00:29:43.860 the rounds lately and it's it's one of the most extraordinary polls i think i've ever seen can we

00:29:48.980 just click into to this so if you're if you're listening um basically the question is how does

00:29:55.100 britain view violence towards refugees and immigrants and um it's it's from a source we think which is

00:30:02.580 connected to it's it's basically a data arm of one of these polling companies and they polled

00:30:07.660 something like 12 000 people as a 1200 people um is it just for the record we think we think yeah

00:30:14.300 uh and they polled 1200 people in the days following the um the southport murders and basically was

00:30:20.500 asking you know how do people feel about by violence towards um immigrants and it's an extraordinary

00:30:26.140 result so the first one is and the question is when it comes to the refugee problem violence is

00:30:31.920 sometimes the only mean citizens have to get the attention of the british politicians now in a

00:30:37.900 functional democracy that should be like one or two percent in this it's 39 percent 39 percent of

00:30:45.920 people think the only way that the british government will ever listen to them is if they

00:30:50.220 commit acts of violence you go back to the fact that 50 percent of the population didn't bother to vote

00:30:55.560 yeah and those over you know those overlap i mean 50 percent didn't vote yeah that's pure sort of

00:31:04.740 disaffection isn't it i was looking at a broad if you sort of scroll out on that graph it was since

00:31:10.060 1997 uh participation kind of fell off a cliff and it's never really come back before 97 all the way

00:31:17.040 through the post-war years or certainly before the war world war ii i mean uh participation was very

00:31:22.180 very very big in britain yeah ever since yeah up around that sort of those sorts of numbers and

00:31:28.260 after 1997 absolutely dropped off a cliff and has never recovered and what is it now you were saying

00:31:34.340 the numbers before well you know we have 60 percent of the population voted ah but 15 percent are not

00:31:43.740 registered including myself you know anybody loses and they just don't bother and i found that when i

00:31:49.920 was getting signatures so it's like oh i don't think i'm on the electoral roll some of them don't

00:31:54.380 even know if they're on the electoral roll well i mean what what does voting do when you vote for

00:31:59.120 something you don't get it yeah when you when you're convinced correctly that you live under a uni

00:32:05.340 party yeah um yeah and i've been voting my whole life if you're older so i've been voting for 50 years

00:32:12.340 and they've never ever done the things we wanted them to yeah so yeah why would you just going back to

00:32:19.900 the free speech issue i thought it would be quite funny if we could find something that they thought

00:32:27.680 was arrestable okay you know whatever it is all illegal immigrants should be turfed out or well that's 1.00

00:32:35.600 that's definitely arrestable yeah okay and then we get a million people to tweet it at the same time

00:32:41.460 or two million because there is a poll tax sort of issue here that you can pick off people but you

00:32:48.780 can't pick off five million people you can't pick off a million people i guess the cps would almost at

00:32:55.180 random pick a few yes i'm saying that you could have a movement to actually have a million people retweet

00:33:01.580 something i can tell you how they respond to that because um oh my clicking thing's not working

00:33:06.200 but uh can we go to the oh that is that is that working can we go to the next tab um so this is

00:33:12.780 basically a list the crown prosecution service showing off all the people but they're jailing so

00:33:17.280 let's start scrolling down through this because it's quite a long list um but yeah basically so here

00:33:22.600 we go gerald boyce 43 michael uh jamie michael 45 jamie aspin um i mean you just go through them

00:33:29.740 there's there's a whole long list of people and this is can i just just go quickly what through

00:33:34.540 it just have a look oh there's there's loads of this yeah but i mean this is the game thing of

00:33:39.880 course is well up to now every single one is male by the way and every one single one is a particular

00:33:45.200 demographic age as well yeah right there's an older one slightly old a couple of older ones there

00:33:51.220 but look at the age groups and look at the they're all male and they're all between about 12 and 40 most of

00:33:57.940 them yeah there is something of the nkvd about this that they're not just doing it but they want

00:34:05.020 you they need you to know that they're doing it oh that is exactly the strategy because they they

00:34:09.860 simply cannot deal with the level of people who feel that immigration needs to be reduced so what

00:34:17.000 they're going to do is they're going to make an example of a handful of cases and they're going to

00:34:20.320 put a megaphone up to this so this is the other thing that you see i mean it's not on this tweet but

00:34:24.480 you'll see uh tweets from the police where they're knocking down somebody's door and throwing

00:34:30.240 some middle-aged woman as she's making breakfast for the kids roughly to the ground and you know 0.90

00:34:35.040 the children are screaming and they're throwing on the handcuffs and then they haul her up by her hair

00:34:39.680 and say you know uh did you post this on facebook right you're going you're going to jail then you

00:34:44.420 know arresting you know middle-aged mums for for facebook posts this this is what a brittle um 1.00

00:34:50.400 panicky regime will do it will make an example of a number of people so let's let's go back to the

00:34:55.380 original poll i just wanted to answer the question about how they deal with it um yeah like i say an

00:35:00.600 extraordinary you know worrisome poll the next question is attacks against refugees homes are

00:35:05.920 sometimes necessary to make it clear to politicians we have a refugee problem and this is extraordinary 1.00

00:35:11.860 i mean this is almost bangladeshian yes this is like haul people out well it's sectarianism isn't it

00:35:18.340 sectarian low level well that's the sort of thing you would expect to find people agreeing to 1.00

00:35:23.380 in you know in northern islands or like you say bangladesh or the or the pro or the yeah exactly i

00:35:30.620 mean the um for anyone listening 34 agreed with that yes 34 of people agreed it's it's legitimate to

00:35:37.420 attack refugee refugees homes clearly reprehensible clearly that's not right but you know and and and i 0.68

00:35:46.000 understand kind of the underlying theme here as we're talking about it in the previous segment

00:35:50.780 is that you vote and vote and vote and nothing happens you make arguments nothing happens i think

00:35:56.580 you are gaslight it has become now religious it's become in your heart it's tribal certainly but it's

00:36:02.960 also it's what happens to you every day when you walk down the street and you see something you don't

00:36:11.060 like i did it this morning i'll be honest if a car is in the middle of the motorway going 55 i look

00:36:20.740 across to see who the hell is causing this mess oh yeah yeah don't don't do that that's noticing

00:36:25.800 no but it's annoying yeah i know it is but people do this stuff and in fact it was a you know it was a 0.56

00:36:32.240 woman on her phone and then somebody will make a comment like oh well you know woman bloody driver on 1.00

00:36:37.060 her phone but you know people people feel stuff it's a feeling that they have they've got eyes and

00:36:44.520 ears they have eyes they see stuff they see it they just don't like it the english are a law-abiding

00:36:51.660 lot of people they like order they like cues that they've been pushed a long way and the thing is

00:36:56.680 this is this is my thing so i mean i've been speaking about this for years and i know you know

00:37:00.800 people like you and carl have been speaking about this you know even longer than i have the reason

00:37:05.620 we're speaking up about this stuff and mass immigration is because we don't want there to 1.00

00:37:10.000 be violence against i can tell you one of the most terrifying experiences of my life and i have

00:37:16.600 written articles about this when i was 21 i was in india at a university at a postgraduate university

00:37:24.840 in delhi and mrs gandhi was shot by a sikh and they were killing sikhs in my bathroom 0.99

00:37:32.320 in my university bathroom down the road down the corridor right and you don't want to live through 0.99

00:37:39.240 that you never never want to see that or live through that myself and a friend because we were

00:37:45.060 both not indian we walked to the center to look at what was going on and it was horrifying horrifying

00:37:51.160 you never forget it i've also written about nepal that's got 70 different groups and 70 different

00:37:58.300 different languages and not only that each group has its own class structure within it and its own

00:38:04.300 economic class structure and they vote sectarianly every single one votes sectarianly and you have a

00:38:13.500 totally ungovernable society yes completely and i wrote 10 years ago that this is what we are forming

00:38:19.600 oh yeah well it's already happened now we've got five or is it six and well six if you count jeremy

00:38:24.480 called mps who are there for um palestine basically so we and things once one side of the

00:38:32.940 um you know the ethnic mix goes down this route it kind of forces everybody else to do it as well

00:38:37.820 so increasingly you're going to see you know the white majority will start voting along secretarian

00:38:42.940 lines as well because they have to because everybody else is doing it yeah so it's just to be clear

00:38:48.320 is multiculturalism not a strength then so that doesn't it doesn't make society better it would 0.97

00:38:54.780 seem perhaps not i mean i'll go on because like i say extraordinary poll um what's this one hostility

00:39:01.680 against refugees is sometimes justified even if it ends up in violence 32 percent of people agreed with 0.80

00:39:08.240 that again like you say this is this is like third world level stuff um xenophobic acts of violence

00:39:15.120 are defensible if they result in fewer refugees settling in your town 36 percent of people agreed

00:39:22.540 with that and yeah this is what you would expect to see in like tribal africa or southeast asia or

00:39:30.000 something or south asia but a country at war with itself yeah a house divided that's what that is yes

00:39:36.780 well it's not necessarily at war because there are countries like nepal well they had a their their

00:39:41.860 war was a maoist war so they had they had a war but it was different but you can have a country that

00:39:47.680 just doesn't function it doesn't work like for example if you need to if if one particular group is

00:39:56.300 administering the part of the uh driving license office you need to send somebody from that group to get

00:40:03.680 the paper or some other document you need it doesn't function because everything is even true it's about

00:40:10.640 trust in society as well nothing really is there's no trust you lose it's africa has done a lot of

00:40:17.720 studies on this about the trust levels that develop between tribes um and this is what we have created

00:40:24.940 we create a lack of trust you you don't trust that person so you're extra strenuous to about yeah and i

00:40:33.440 notice it i can tell you how i notice it i mean this is an extraordinary thing because i run holiday

00:40:38.460 accommodation whose cards don't go through first time and it's not because necessarily because they

00:40:46.980 don't have any money it's because they put the wrong details deliberately why because of the lack

00:40:53.660 of trust right and i can tell you before i put the card in which one will fail yeah so and i can also

00:41:03.680 tell you which ones you're doing a lot of noticing catherine well i've all i mean you know i just observe

00:41:08.620 it but you know people it's when everybody else starts to observe this stuff there are some cultures

00:41:15.180 that that value sort of cheating and lying and others that value truth the truth uh there are some

00:41:23.760 cultures in the world where you're if you don't try and game the system and cheat people here or there 1.00

00:41:30.060 then you're you're a chump you're an idiot that you asked you should do it and we just we never 1.00

00:41:35.940 really had that well if you go back we are a high trust society if you go back to sort of the 1950s 1.00

00:41:41.560 or whatever yeah it'd be an extremely high trust society but if there was twitter in the 1950s

00:41:46.720 everybody would just sign up with their name and give their address in their bio whereas these days

00:41:51.800 i mean all those people arrested on that other tab you know how many people are going to be signing

00:41:56.420 up for social media under their own name if they have even a vaguely right-wing opinion anymore

00:42:01.660 i mean i will because i'm in my face is out at this point but most people will just stop doing

00:42:05.680 it they start giving they start start giving false details they do it through a vpn because they know

00:42:09.920 that they'll be arrested if they say i don't like children don't worry nick lowles is on the case to

00:42:14.380 you real quick yeah i got active in politics at 2 40 in 2 14 when merkel opened the gates before that

00:42:20.820 i'd never voted and i did it specifically to stop violence i knew where this would go i had seen it i've

00:42:29.040 seen it so many times well and especially you see it in india you see it in bangladesh today

00:42:34.960 this is the most horrifying thing but the left and the government think that what they have to do

00:42:41.280 is just stamp on this entirely and stop people from talking about it and shut them out of the

00:42:45.800 political process and shut and your point earlier about you know we have community leaders yeah for

00:42:50.960 certain groups but who are the community leaders for the white working class and it used to be

00:42:54.420 labour councillors that would be who should be but they genuinely believe they have to cut these

00:42:59.840 people out of every other option and violence and then beat them at the violence that's what they

00:43:06.320 think and that's why you're getting poll results like this where 40 percent of people saying it's

00:43:10.280 disturbing this yeah it's very disturbing that we have to use violence against refugees because it's

00:43:15.340 the only thing we have left to us well i know the other thing we were talking about i i live in a

00:43:20.300 dystopian world where you know i i go to a part of great yarmouth and then literally five minutes

00:43:27.660 drive i go to a place that's you know a place it just won england in bloom and i've gone from some

00:43:34.800 sort of multicultural violent rubbish infested hell hole to you know england and bloom and you go the 1.00

00:43:43.760 same thing in swendon and the same thing and then of course in the northern cities it's in your face 0.97

00:43:50.100 every single day in somewhere like hull hull is just i mean i i don't know all the places but

00:43:57.540 but hull has had this great influx of somalis and it's just changed it overnight and people cannot

00:44:08.040 help avoiding it seeing it yes starmer and the party just like in orwell's 1984 you know the the last

00:44:15.620 most essential command is that you don't believe the evidence of your own eyes and ears yeah that

00:44:21.780 is what they're doing here now yeah there was i know we're diverging but there was a really interesting

00:44:26.680 tweet about that uh gerian boxer who won the gold i missed that you know the one who's the oh the lady

00:44:35.480 the lady and when he won the gold the coach had him with his legs round his neck and somebody tweeted

00:44:46.020 they were talking about orwell you see how he's being it's a she it they are being treated that's

00:44:53.000 not a woman the algerians do not consider that a woman because you wouldn't put me around your

00:44:58.220 shoulders as we even if we won this election i think it would be unusual for you to suddenly hike

00:45:04.520 me up on your shoulders would you not yes probably not no but do you get what i mean no i don't hike

00:45:11.360 women up on your shoulders again it's a man and they were treating him like a man that was a the 0.98

00:45:16.720 algerians believe he's a man and of course you know they were talking let me just quickly touch on

00:45:20.200 a couple more points from this poll and then we then we move on but um um it asks how do you

00:45:25.600 characterize the events and the majority said oh it's it's a mix of uh of riots and protests

00:45:31.420 some people think that it was just you know um you know coordinated far-right attacks i mean

00:45:37.320 coordinated by who i mean russia probably you know that's what these people think but

00:45:41.220 um so so don't particularly take an issue with that one um it asked um what what experience uh what

00:45:47.440 what emotions did you feel experiencing the riots and i think quite frankly all of them are

00:45:51.200 justified to some extent um now a bit bit broken down by parties don't care about that oh and this

00:45:57.400 is what were the top three reason for the riots in the uk um and 72 said it was about immigration

00:46:04.280 which is about right 71 said it was racism so clearly there's some overlap

00:46:09.680 um between the two but that's odd but yeah how do those numbers make sense well you can think

00:46:15.520 or anti-white racism yeah yeah exactly um 52 percent so so these are these are sort of the tv

00:46:22.420 watchers and the broadsheet readers say it's violence for its own sake i mean if that's true

00:46:26.040 why isn't it happening every summer just spontaneous violence yeah i mean which is which is such a brain

00:46:31.380 dead take it's different to digest but you know there were some interesting findings in here oh and

00:46:37.100 yeah um you know do you support or oppose it based on your view of what it what it was and 80

00:46:44.960 percent of the people who said it was about immigration they then supported it

00:46:48.260 um you know which is interesting and the people who the people who thought it was about racism

00:46:54.920 opposed i mean nothing particularly surprising there so so then the but the interesting thing is that

00:46:59.540 54 percent of people who thought it was about racism supported it yes did you see that yes that

00:47:06.340 was also interesting yes that was very polarizing though that evidence oh very polarizing and and you

00:47:11.800 know we're going down the sort of us political route of everything is polarized to the point

00:47:15.140 where it becomes impossible to find a solution but you know this is bad clearly we don't support it

00:47:21.660 obviously um and the reason why we say what we say is because we don't want the uk to turn into

00:47:27.560 some sort of version of romper stomper you know that that would be a bad thing so you know keir starmer

00:47:33.280 if you're watching um you know would you kindly get a grip on this issue and speak to people's

00:47:38.500 legitimate concerns because he people do have legitimate concerns because if you leave people

00:47:44.100 with the with the impression that there is no other outlet than violence then people will support

00:47:49.940 violence and that is a bad thing and you need to get on top of this i'm just afraid i'm just afraid

00:47:54.440 just to finish on that i'm just afraid he will never do it no he probably won't because he's

00:47:58.840 and he probably pushes to violence he's a true believer yeah um it's a line in the sand i think he

00:48:04.720 thinks of himself as some sort of stalinist or maoist type figure when there's a party line

00:48:11.760 or like big brother no there's a party line and that's the end of the story the world can burn down

00:48:17.140 before i break that that party line true true ideologues and then they will drive us over the

00:48:21.660 cliff with their ideology it's very sad but why don't you cheer us up we've two billionaires having

00:48:25.600 a chat all right samson can you scroll down on the thing for me on um on the the monitor here yeah

00:48:32.160 so i can see my notes on there great okay so uh the donald and elon had a conversation yesterday

00:48:40.920 last night our time i think 1am or something like that a long one wasn't it yeah knocking two hours

00:48:45.860 it was yeah i thought because i listened about two hours of it and i thought oh i've listened to it

00:48:51.260 now but i mean it's a longer than return of the kings to end i thought in one way there wasn't

00:48:58.020 anything particularly new no in another way i found it very interesting um i didn't learn a lot

00:49:04.220 but it was quite clarifying in some ways yeah so i mean it to save anyone having to watch it if you

00:49:11.100 don't actually fancy watching it i'll just sort of uh talk about it a bit here so first of all they

00:49:15.280 talked about the assassination attempt and uh i must say trump was very sort of sang far about it he's

00:49:21.340 quite cool about it like elon said um you know he said you know it's kind of cool what you did

00:49:27.260 and trump was just like he was he was pretty relaxed but he's like yeah yeah i got shot in

00:49:32.420 the air there's loads of blood but uh anyway i just stood up and did the fist and well bear in mind we

00:49:37.760 live in an age where you get lots of young women who flap their arms around endlessly claiming that 1.00

00:49:42.620 they feel unsafe if there's somebody 30 miles away who has an opinion that they disagree with

00:49:46.900 and and here's trump just saying oh yeah i got shot in the head but yeah i mean technically

00:49:52.660 that's true got shot in the head didn't he yeah yeah i mean yeah um but yeah he actually i was

00:49:58.220 surprised one of the things i was surprised is that um trump sort of praised the secret service

00:50:03.300 essentially he didn't really have any massive criticisms for them he said the guy that actually

00:50:07.320 took the shot to take out the shooter that that was a great shot and that's sort of fairly true

00:50:12.180 interestingly um whenever because elon kept on wanting to talk about the failings of the secret

00:50:17.260 service uh and so it must wanted to get about the failings of the secret service and trump kept on

00:50:22.780 bringing it back to the individuals who are there on the day and that's safe and defensible because i

00:50:28.380 don't fault the individuals who were there on the day but he refused to get drawn on the organization

00:50:35.020 above it and it feels like he's keeping his powder dry it's like because the thing is but you don't get

00:50:39.240 shot in the head and forget about it no but he thinks he's going to win and i bet he's going to

00:50:44.980 have more to say on it once he's in power but he's just keeping his powder dry for now that's what i

00:50:48.560 was going to say about that that was my take on that is that lots of people said that robert kennedy

00:50:53.740 senior um he was waiting until he became president before he did a sort of cleaning of the house of the

00:51:00.680 secret service and how they failed in november 63 with his brother's murder but he never got to the

00:51:06.240 white house because he himself was assassinated in los angeles oh yeah was that the guy who got

00:51:10.320 shot by apparently some sahan sahan yeah yeah but but he got shot 18 times in the back with a gun

00:51:17.380 that holds 12 bullets or something it wasn't quite it wasn't quite that bad he was making his way out

00:51:22.100 through the back of a restaurant after doing a speech because he was running to be president

00:51:25.500 a lot of people thought he probably would have won and uh an assassin uh tried to shoot him at close

00:51:32.340 range and lots of his bodyguards lots of gunplay happened real quick yeah and he got shot three

00:51:36.720 or four times and i think the bullet that killed him was from his bodyguard but there was just a

00:51:41.020 melee and a bit of a scrum and three or four people were firing guns rfk that guy's son yeah has

00:51:47.680 visited that chap in jail and says i i don't think it was you there's loads of weirdness about that but

00:51:53.680 i mean his own son doesn't there's loads of it yeah i mean he did admit it in court

00:51:57.840 um but nonetheless there's all sorts of yeah weird things about both the jfk and the rfk

00:52:04.080 assassinations anyway lots of people said the rfk was waiting until he was president so he was in

00:52:09.520 the big seat and then he can really do an overview or a house clean or whatever you want to say of the

00:52:15.680 secret service i feel like that's what trump's doing here is he's keeping quite about it for now

00:52:20.600 but once he's back in the oval if he's allowed if yeah yeah um so i was a bit surprised that he

00:52:27.920 didn't really have any criticism trump didn't have any criticism in this well yeah in this uh

00:52:33.940 carefully framed but yeah yeah yeah um so the next thing they did talk about so sort of the second

00:52:39.760 most important vital thing was they did talk about immigration um and uh both elon although he's been

00:52:45.260 on record as saying he thinks legal immigration fairly large immigration legal immigration sort of an

00:52:49.920 okay thing but still he wanted safe borders secure borders they both talked about um having secure

00:52:55.580 borders and um this was probably the most fun bit because he was really going at kamala and

00:53:02.260 and yeah he said they did both say that illegal immigration should just be stopped and trump said

00:53:09.420 that um there should be the the biggest deportation in history that was literally largest deportation in

00:53:16.360 history is the quote all right is what he needed well america needed he's going to get extradited to

00:53:21.920 the uk to stand trial then oh yeah yeah starmer might have something and that's of course the question here

00:53:28.020 is how many illegals we have and and how many um starmer is going to give amnesty to well because i mean we

00:53:37.760 can have we could have we one million was the number yonks ago i mean oh i'm i'm pretty certain

00:53:44.900 it's 10 to 15 million maybe yes no and and the way i know this is because you know the official population

00:53:50.760 numbers yeah and then you see the stats coming out of the sewage companies and the food companies

00:53:55.820 it clearly indicates we have 10 to 15 million more people than the official number tesco and

00:54:00.760 sainsbury's know the real number yeah don't they um but it's interesting with trump because when he

00:54:05.740 was prez last time he did do a big amnesty thing didn't he and he has also been on record saying

00:54:11.240 he would do it again but now when he's talking to elon he was saying because the largest deportation

00:54:16.600 in history because because what you felt 20 years ago 10 years ago has changed things have moved so

00:54:22.960 fast you know you look at 2000 in this country compared to now yeah they are like two different

00:54:29.380 countries yeah absolutely when when when when my first husband came to norfolk i had to search

00:54:35.720 for three nepalese people in the entire county and one was just there on a student visa so there

00:54:42.700 were two one was married to somebody from hong kong right there were two people now this is a tiny

00:54:48.760 country two three hundred people at least from one country in norfolk and i know that because they

00:54:55.680 have a gathering and i asked them how'd you get here how'd you get here and that was in 24 years

00:55:00.920 that change it's weird i always find it odd when yeah that's what i was gonna say i find it weird

00:55:08.080 when people come from some of the most beautiful places in the world and they want to come to

00:55:12.640 somewhere like norfolk or suffolk or swindon or yeah suburban swindon yes like why would you

00:55:19.340 why would well obviously for the money but anyway uh they both agreed they both agreed because they're

00:55:24.900 sold something as well an idea the i mean i know this in detail and including it's with for example

00:55:32.480 with the gurkhas with joanna lumley had do you remember the program yeah i do yeah were you in

00:55:37.560 support of it or against it or you had no opinion i don't pay much attention joanna lumley no but there

00:55:43.400 was a there was a a campaign to get the retired gurkhas to be allowed to come to the uk i think people

00:55:50.280 if they've served in the armed forces that is a different kettle of fish in my opinion anyway i was

00:55:55.160 totally against it okay 110 against it it was going to be a disaster for everybody because

00:56:04.920 those ex-gurkhas had a decent pension in in nepal and they were the top of their village 0.99

00:56:13.420 they were the squires they lived with their marigold gardens their wives didn't speak a word 1.00

00:56:21.640 of english she'd never been out they were better off in their own country they came here and they 0.99

00:56:26.800 came to the most rat infested moldy places they don't know how to use an airline toilet we saw them

00:56:34.520 coming they sit they were squatting on the toilet my husband and i were walking around dubai trying to

00:56:40.260 help these people they can't read how to transfer their planes i know i'm going off but they have

00:56:46.260 they have and now they can't return and they are now not because they haven't got any money

00:56:53.360 because it costs money they sold land they sold things to get here and they haven't got any money

00:57:00.640 to get back they're stuck here now and they are now the bottom of the society and i asked my ex-person

00:57:06.500 what's older shot like he said it looks like katmandu and that wasn't a compliment so those

00:57:12.140 people have gone and this is what we never never talk about is what happens to the migrants themselves

00:57:17.420 that their expectations of what they get and what they actually get are totally different

00:57:23.780 yeah well lisa nandy's happy though the directors at the runny me trust got what they wanted so uh you

00:57:29.360 know uh yeah did they talk about ukraine they did if i just finish up on the immigration thing they

00:57:35.100 both agreed that if you if a country doesn't have borders then there's no country left again that's

00:57:40.360 a quote um so again fairly based but most people 10 15 years ago might have thought that was a little

00:57:47.080 beyond the overton window say something like that now a couple of potentially at least in trump's case

00:57:52.540 the couple of the most powerful guys in the world are absolutely on the same page with that uh yeah when

00:57:58.020 it came to ukraine um trump's funny i do find trump funny um his turn of phrase and the things he says

00:58:04.980 when he won one time he was talking they were talking about how you do need to be strong

00:58:09.500 elon said that a president of the united states needs to be needs to be able to sort of be

00:58:15.240 give the impression of being a little bit scary to the leader of russia and china threats and this is

00:58:20.780 this is the point that um obviously machiavelli made in the prince which is there were lions and there

00:58:26.060 were foxes and lions are leaders who can make capable threats because they're capable of following

00:58:31.880 it through whereas foxes they're they're cunning but they cannot give credible threats and so for

00:58:38.080 example over here in the uk starmer is obviously a fox because he's he's just like yeah we're going

00:58:42.080 to arrest everybody it's like we know that you can't do that and and and his skills on the

00:58:46.260 punching bag weren't all that were they right yeah exactly and um i mean obviously biden can't give

00:58:51.240 credible threats whereas this is a lovely anecdote i love of trump which is he was negotiating

00:58:56.000 with the taliban leaders and he had them in a room and he was basically saying okay i want you

00:59:00.480 to do this thing and they started kicking up a fuss and so he said to the lead guy if you don't do

00:59:06.080 what i'm telling you to do i will blow up this house and he reached into his jacket and slid across 0.92

00:59:11.380 the table a picture of this guy's house that is a that is a threat because it's very specific

00:59:17.960 and you know he will do it that that is a viable threat but i mean and he'll probably gloat

00:59:22.820 about it as well but didn't didn't trump have some line about the way that biden makes threats 1.00

00:59:27.960 uh yeah he said like these stupid stupid lies coming out of his stupid face stupid threats coming 1.00

00:59:34.140 out of his stupid face one time he was talking about when he was talking to putin and putin said 1.00

00:59:38.900 no way and trump said way and if you compare this with our health secretary wes streeting who says 1.00

00:59:47.500 that he will throw some you know throw jan moyer under a train that threat which is never going 0.54

00:59:53.980 to happen is just pathetic yeah unpleasant without any thought compared to this remember when trump 0.96

01:00:01.740 did one of those surgical strikes on the one of the lead of the iranian paramilitaries oh yeah and 0.91

01:00:07.480 then afterwards when he's afterwards when he's doing a press conference about it he's actually

01:00:11.920 joking and gloating about it like the guy died like a dog or when he took out one of the leader

01:00:17.420 one of the leaders of i think the isis yeah it was like the guy was crying he was crying i would have

01:00:23.680 cried um um anyway yeah on ukraine basically um saying that um you know it's sort of got to come to an

01:00:32.260 end sort of thing and that there are close to if we're not careful we are close to world war three

01:00:37.740 yeah that someone like putin doesn't take uh the threat to someone like biden seriously and of

01:00:42.660 course he doesn't because biden's vacant he's just like this doddering like what do you realize

01:00:47.020 to take the threat to kamala so no exactly because she just cackles no exactly yeah i mean she doesn't 0.65

01:00:52.560 know what she probably doesn't know really you know she's one of these people get sunnies and shias 1.00

01:00:56.580 muddled up yeah um yeah no absolutely um samson can you scroll down on this the my mouse is

01:01:03.440 it's on the wrong place somewhere um they talked about the economy for a bit which was i thought

01:01:08.820 was actually one of the more interesting there was a little bit of insight there because elon said

01:01:14.200 something that i had a conversation recently with godfrey bloom the xmep godfrey bloom uh godfrey

01:01:21.020 super based bloom i love the guy in fact this sunday there'll be an epoch so i'm talking with him

01:01:25.360 all about economic and the history of money just saying that godfrey bloom is another person who should

01:01:30.320 be inside the tent and not outside the tent godfrey bloom is fantastic even though he's older he's

01:01:37.460 amazing yeah he is he speaks at the english democrats these people need to be inside the same tent to get

01:01:44.480 enough momentum to get reform to win the country and he said something which is just absolutely true

01:01:51.180 just absolutely true i'm sure you'll agree with this and it was something that elon said and trump

01:01:55.480 agreed with him which is government needs to lower its spending it's just as if you want to get

01:02:01.640 inflation under control it's come up once or twice in brokonomics and if you want to get inflation under

01:02:06.180 control and you want to get debt under control yeah the way you've got to do it is stop ridiculous

01:02:11.200 levels of government spending and elon just said that straight up flat out and trump agreed with him

01:02:16.000 and elon even said if when if and when you're president if you put together some sort of commission

01:02:20.440 some sort of grand commission to do it uh you know i wouldn't i wouldn't mind sitting on that i

01:02:25.300 could sit on that if you want and trump was like sure yeah we can do the issue for me about this

01:02:29.360 government spending is not an economics one when clive lewis did his thing in norwich the other day

01:02:36.260 norwich is a university town teaching hospital lots of charities every single person in his

01:02:43.920 demonstration was indirectly or directly paid by the government yes yeah well that's what i mean

01:02:49.620 which is much bigger than the than the economic the economic problem's bad but the social issue

01:02:57.440 the political is even worse it's huge in the u.s as well there are lots and lots of people who are

01:03:02.300 directly employed but when you take into account all of the people who are indirectly employed as a

01:03:07.120 result of government contracts a vast amount of people in the u.s are employed one way or another by

01:03:11.420 the government but yeah no i i like this section on the economy elon probably did it better the

01:03:18.200 problem i had with trump's response is is he does the standard politician thing is oh we're going to

01:03:21.940 cut out waste now the problem is is is in the u.s they've got a gap now of over two trillion between

01:03:28.100 the amount of tax revenue that they collect and the spending that they've got um if you take out

01:03:34.100 the redistribution programs the various welfare programs and look at what's left even if 80 percent of

01:03:39.900 it is is waste it doesn't quite get you there so you do need to cut those redistribution programs

01:03:45.800 the welfare programs and medicare medicades and of course he doesn't go anywhere near that so

01:03:49.480 trump will be an improvement but he's not going to he's not going to close the gap entirely well it

01:03:54.380 seems they're sort of beyond it being possible i mean the government debt as a whole goes up

01:04:00.140 something i mean something like a trillion dollars every hundred odd days yeah that's absolutely insane

01:04:05.120 unsustainable unsustainable obviously unsustainable there's no real bearing on reality anymore those

01:04:11.740 numbers uh and they didn't really i mean elon did say that trump didn't address it unsustainable

01:04:19.100 because it would have thought so well but everybody keeps has been saying that for 20 years and

01:04:24.440 and it is not necessarily unsustainable i mean it's it's unsustainable if you want to have a

01:04:33.320 productive economy yes and you don't want to have constant asset inflation if you want to look like

01:04:38.800 a third world country or grinding towards the end days of the soviet union then it's sustainable for 0.98

01:04:43.960 many many years but but there's no we are i know we're changing the subject but you know that we are

01:04:48.920 the same in the uk and most western countries we're past this state of return where i don't think so

01:04:54.820 no we don't think so no no we we can get it under control we can't probably can't get out of control

01:04:59.520 without upsetting an awful lot of people that there's not a way that you can do it which will win

01:05:06.700 sort of mass popular support but it can be done yes but we can't win we're having trouble with

01:05:12.080 popular support for yeah whether you can whether you can do it and win an election is a different

01:05:17.660 thing or if they keep going down sort of the keynesian route of quantitative easing we you just

01:05:22.960 will end up with hyperinflation right because argentina had or still has still got suffering from

01:05:28.040 hyperinflation hundreds of percent of inflation right um emiles started to deal with it again they

01:05:35.400 touched on that by slashing government government in general and of course then spending um

01:05:41.660 so but trump didn't say oh no i could i profoundly sort of ideologically disagree with you elon he

01:05:47.140 didn't say anything yeah um well he he put a lot of it on things that he can do stuff about like

01:05:52.820 energy prices right yeah energy prices he said drill baby drill i mean it's classic trump he is so

01:05:58.800 quite american isn't he but yeah because uh you know and and taking a swipe at harris saying you know

01:06:04.120 she'll stop fracking completely i wouldn't and that's what i'd like to hear nigel saying 0.97

01:06:08.580 yeah in response to milliband drill baby drill yeah really just drum it out there yeah say no i'm

01:06:15.980 gonna drill i'm not gonna apologize for that you're insane the thing that surprised me on that is not 0.67

01:06:20.160 so much trump because i knew that this was trump's position what i was impressed by was it was elon's 0.92

01:06:25.300 response to not just the drilling but the whole climate thing in general right he's actually a lot

01:06:29.760 less bad than i thought he was especially given he runs an electric car company yeah so i mean so this is

01:06:34.640 the thing i've i've long admired trump and what he gets done and the projects that he delivers and all

01:06:38.840 that kind of stuff he's a very impressive guy obviously but i always thought well we're odds

01:06:42.920 over this climate change stuff but actually when he started talking about it in this interview

01:06:47.720 he's nowhere near he's just not alarmist at all i mean he was basically saying if you take these

01:06:53.120 current trends and you project it over several hundred years then we got a problem but he says that you

01:06:58.740 know we're whatever we're 200 parts per million of co2 in the atmosphere and he was like saying

01:07:03.820 yeah i don't really care if it goes to 400 or 500 yeah it's not a problem when it gets to a thousand

01:07:08.020 yeah i've got a problem then that funnily enough is the level that in a in a navy submarine they've

01:07:14.460 got a co2 alarm and it doesn't go off until it hits a thousand parts per million it's just not really

01:07:19.960 a problem until then i think the numbers are more like sort of around the world war ii mid-century

01:07:24.640 it was about 200 parts per million now it's something like 450 but in prehistoric times it was like

01:07:31.800 2 000 parts per million no more like 20 000 oh right okay well yeah depends how many million

01:07:36.640 years you want to go back you get mega flora but the issue of this is i mean i i know pierce corbin

01:07:44.080 who's obviously brother to jeremy he's actually and he is a climate scientist now he's his equation

01:07:52.080 on this is really simple and by the way he's got a first from imperial in physics and he spent his

01:07:58.320 whole life in climate working including having a company on aim did you know that dan pierce corbin

01:08:04.920 uh i didn't know he had a company on aim what is it it was a company a climate forecasting company

01:08:09.720 okay okay so who would you believe on climate change jeremy who has two jeremy corbin who's

01:08:16.160 two e's in sociology or pierce who has a first in physics from imperial and impressive brother of the

01:08:23.100 two yeah what pierce's whole point is this you cannot prove which way the equation is co2

01:08:31.120 comes first and the co2 yes and pierce says of course it's yeah the sun is a hundred thousand 0.68

01:08:37.500 nuclear power stations past warming will raise the co2 the sun is a nuclear fusion reactor yes a million

01:08:43.540 times the size of the earth and we orbit it so tiny fluctuations in the sun will swamp whether you

01:08:50.280 know your wife leaves the bloody light on in the bathroom or something it's just it's just yes and

01:08:54.660 but pierce just says it's just absolutely nonsense but the thing i liked about this is is i always

01:09:01.080 assumed that that musk was more alarmist and actually listen to him yeah he's actually entirely sensible on

01:09:07.480 the climate thing he he just says yeah well you know go forward a couple of hundred years you know

01:09:12.980 you can make a slight turn now and end up in a better future in several hundred years or you could not

01:09:18.200 which would be less good and it might be apparently at a thousand parts per million the air is less

01:09:23.480 comfortable to breathe so it's just he says yeah just just make a slight turn now and it will be

01:09:27.580 fine don't worry but we're just going out such teeny amounts i mean if you look at the histories you

01:09:32.320 were talking about of the world since the permian the co2 chart looks like from the ceiling straight 0.85

01:09:38.540 down like that we're at some sort of all-time low we're at an all-time low if we get any lower life

01:09:43.840 stops because photosynthesis can't occur i think it's below 60 or something yes like we're really

01:09:50.860 really low already climate will always be in flux that is the nature will always be in flux and if

01:09:56.320 you again if you look at it on sort of uh geological time scales even in the tens of thousands of years

01:10:01.740 not even millions of years tens of thousands of years you've got mini ice ages yeah like it the graph

01:10:07.140 is sort of crazy but you expect it to stay at sort of the late 19th century first half of the 20th

01:10:13.100 century when our record really began in earnest to expect it to just level out and stay exactly

01:10:17.620 there that's that's crazy that's but you take my point musk was much better on this than i gave him

01:10:22.560 credit yeah and musk even said he must even said oh yeah of course we've got to do more um drilling

01:10:28.540 more oil of course we have because of course there are reasons why electric cars like tesla's are

01:10:34.260 great you know they're quieter they don't but they're fast they're fast but they don't put you

01:10:38.980 know yes i mean you know horrible sitting in traffic jams outside somebody's house with diesel fumes i

01:10:44.840 mean in in in katmandu or which is a valley in the winter and they have hills and mountains with

01:10:51.580 50 year old diesel trucks the entire city is just in winter when there's no rain and no wind it's

01:10:59.180 just one smog smog horrendous and so yes you could see why you know but not from the climate point of

01:11:06.600 view from moving your production to the other to somewhere else remind me did trump say much about

01:11:14.900 the climate because i know elon had a bit on it a bit he certainly wasn't disagreeing with

01:11:20.620 him they agreed they agreed on everything really it seems they talked about how nuclear power his

01:11:27.000 has just got a really bad rep it's got like a pr problem and that oh yes and that was the bit where

01:11:32.520 where trump was saying oh a lot of people don't understand it it doesn't matter because i do

01:11:37.740 so just let so i'll just get on with it but you don't need to worry about it it's fine

01:11:42.120 and he's right yeah and moving on because we're getting on for time a bit they talked a fair bit

01:11:46.780 about harris and law fair which is a nice way of really saying that they're sort of politically

01:11:51.780 in all sorts of senses destroying the republic yeah while we watch um and that harris will plan

01:11:57.720 to open the prisons and the borders and stop all fracking he said she's not a smart person by the way

01:12:03.180 obviously and he's quite he's really sarcastic and rude about that she's saying that she's such a 0.99

01:12:08.700 beautiful woman he's obviously being sarcastic yeah um it's funny he doesn't care musk has put 1.00

01:12:14.500 out a tweet saying that he would be happy to do the same thing with harris yeah i saw that yeah

01:12:18.220 which i don't know how that would go since he spent like the latter half of this one basically laughing 0.99

01:12:22.140 with trump that yeah she's thick and stupid well i suspect well they talked about how they can have 0.99

01:12:26.560 a conversation an actual back and forth you can't you wouldn't really be able to do that with harris 1.00

01:12:31.620 i would have thought it would be oh no no it would be her cackling and being extremely passive 1.00

01:12:35.860 aggressive and trotting out rehearsed lines and and a load of nonsense but you do actually for all

01:12:42.280 his faults and uh you can actually have a conversation with trump it's a real conversation i'd be genuinely

01:12:47.660 surprised if harris has had an original thought in her entire life well the worst one was that when i

01:12:53.860 went to the border or we went to the border no you didn't go to the border you know yeah well she's

01:12:59.460 supposed to be the border czar wasn't she at one point 0.99

01:13:01.620 and then claimed and then later they claimed she wasn't even in in fact when it's on record

01:13:05.460 there was another interesting thing about the number and this will be the same in our government

01:13:09.760 here the amount of time that harris and what's her new guy called i can't know what is that

01:13:16.540 have spent um in the public sector versus the private sector versus trump and vance and you know

01:13:25.780 trump and vance has spent sort of 80 percent 20 and they've spent sort of 99 percent in

01:13:31.400 academia we've got the same issue here i mean out of the new labour mps the majority of them have

01:13:37.980 never had a job in their life yeah loads of them when you i saw someone on twitter put a list of

01:13:42.160 their past work experience and there's a couple in there that have had real jobs but a lot of them

01:13:45.680 nothing at all uh we've just got to move on here last thing they really talked about they touched on

01:13:50.060 was freedom of speech and that how important it was and there's a tweet if you could go to the next

01:13:55.760 you're going to show what i think you're going to show uh yeah there is is expletives but so

01:14:00.520 someone from the eu sent sent elon a sort of an open letter saying uh you know trying to tick him

01:14:06.900 off trying to sort of wag his finger at him like it's a naughty school boy i go remember you've got

01:14:11.500 a abide by all our eu rules and elon just did just did this um and then how are you just listening

01:14:18.380 telling him to f off yes um and that is that again that's the sort of thing you want a real

01:14:26.320 leader this may be the best response i've ever seen on twitter yeah do you remember when he called

01:14:32.660 out uh is it bob iger at disney he tried to sort of essentially in in a sense oh yes go

01:14:39.900 f yourself yeah yeah go f yourself i'll try and do it for those who are listening so so basically

01:14:45.640 ferry britain and eu commissioner basically wrote this long letter complaining about elon doing

01:14:51.420 free speech and how we needed democracy yeah our democracy and elon responds with a tweet um from

01:14:58.040 tropic thunder um of the guy screaming down take a big step back and literally no in biblical terms

01:15:06.120 your own face so yeah i think that's quite good it's funny yeah um and anyway one of the last things

01:15:14.220 there's a couple more things i want to point out but we sort of stuck for time so one of the last

01:15:17.820 things i want to say is that trump said i think this hit the nail on the head really um you know

01:15:23.200 like the actual taking the temperature of a nation he said that the the people want the american dream

01:15:29.360 back um you know whatever that means but you know we will all take and we want our english dream back

01:15:36.060 and you know and our english dream wasn't particularly great a sort of terrace house with a few

01:15:41.880 daffodils in the front but it wasn't great it wasn't the american dream but you know you walked

01:15:47.840 to school and it was all pretty boring and then you came home and you watched coronation strip and

01:15:52.080 it was even more boring and then you went to buckland's on holiday or benedict and your kids

01:15:55.760 didn't get stabbed exactly and you didn't have have to wade through rubbish and people having

01:16:00.920 psychotic episodes outside your front door go to an ariana grande concert or a taylor swift dance

01:16:06.660 class without being massacred or take your kids to a lego store without being stabbed i mean the

01:16:11.340 list goes on and on yeah okay so i'm going to leave leave it there but if anyone's interested

01:16:17.420 is sort of just out there now so watch it is a couple of hours long um so that's it we do have

01:16:22.900 some comments from the last russian i don't think it's got that bad yet but uh he says guys please

01:16:28.480 extend the podcast today like the last time katherine was on is incredibly insightful thank you

01:16:33.260 well i'm sure we can do an extra five minutes or so why not um free speech is under threat um oh

01:16:40.300 that that was your bit katherine so uh base tape says idea for a brokonomics episode what can the

01:16:46.280 poor people and the normals do if we can't afford a top-notch legal representation if 90 of us would

01:16:53.240 get rolled over by the court simply because we're assigned cheap legal representation and don't know

01:16:57.720 what to do in that situation what would your advice be katherine if you're poor when you get arrested

01:17:02.020 for speech um you could call robin tilbrook who's head of the english democrats he's a he's won a

01:17:09.980 number of cases including taking a um grooming gang person to court winning half a million pounds i

01:17:17.520 believe at that region for the victim who managed to get they managed to get the house um he will

01:17:23.900 defend you he's one of the few lawyers who will defend practically anybody in the country even

01:17:29.160 holocaust deniers he has will defend um and the other person obviously a group is um toby young's

01:17:37.060 free speech he doesn't tend to get involved himself in working classes though but but robin robin tilbrook

01:17:43.320 has has has has done a number of pretty controversial cases the only thing i'd add to that is um if you do

01:17:50.480 get arrested for for speaking well actually you can get arrested in this country these days for

01:17:54.900 thinking in your head if you do outside an abortion center or something so you don't even need to

01:17:59.180 think these days in order to get arrested in fact you can get arrested for just walking past a protest

01:18:03.100 with a dog on your way home as you we talked about earlier but i mean what i would do in those

01:18:07.080 circumstances is volunteer no information whatsoever to the police um if they bring you in just just you

01:18:15.380 know if if you've got no resources take the free legal representative representative and just say look i just

01:18:21.180 want to i want to do the absolute minimum at this point um until i've got time to go and look at my

01:18:26.340 options and look up you know the chap that you mentioned or whatever else i've watched a fair bit

01:18:30.120 of sort of youtube legal advice which sounds dodgy as hell but sometimes some of the big channels they're

01:18:35.680 extremely uh extremely experienced defenders and prosecutors one of the guys said regardless of

01:18:41.860 whether you've done anything wrong or not never ever tell the police anything ever yes even if you're

01:18:46.720 100 innocent yeah because they're not your friends talk to your lawyer if you've got one but you don't

01:18:52.460 tell the cops anything and they'll put pressure on you saying oh well this is suggesting that you've

01:18:57.380 got something to hide let them think yeah they've got targets to get prosecutions and they don't care

01:19:02.000 whether you're guilty or not all they want to do is hit their target so they can get their promotion

01:19:05.980 and all the rest of it yeah um mason royce says if we are reenacting the fall of the roman republic

01:19:12.720 farage seems to be cicero uh we'll back a side but switch if his neck is on the line that's probably

01:19:19.380 not that unfair actually what do you think well i've obviously talked a lot about the roman republic

01:19:25.400 yeah a lot of my epochs recently if i've done a fair few hours on the decline of all the roman

01:19:29.900 republic i don't know there are the parallels calum said something that was funny actually right he said

01:19:34.720 there's a few key points that whether there's parallels between the decline of all the roman

01:19:39.040 republic and the modern american one but so 90 of it is completely different and there aren't any

01:19:43.660 parallels it's like actually yeah you're actually right there i don't know if there is a great

01:19:47.440 parallel with nigel and somebody in the late roman republic i'm afraid yeah i mean cicero is maybe not

01:19:53.460 a bad shout but can i'm not cicero's a better speaker why why is cicero the example well because cicero

01:20:01.020 was very pragmatic and didn't stand on his principles and just sort of blew with the wind right did

01:20:06.400 whatever was best to keep his career going at any given moment i think that's what they mean

01:20:10.860 okay so it's yeah hector rex says uh why in the uh bloody hell isn't nick lowles arrested for 0.70

01:20:18.780 spreading false information about the acid attack that directly incited muslims to cause violence 1.00

01:20:23.920 i suspect it's because he's paid by the uk government for the work he does and it would

01:20:29.080 be inconvenient to replace him and then the question is whether there's a legal case i certainly think

01:20:36.020 we are not as the group on the right not doing enough to challenge these type of things legally

01:20:42.920 and slowly you know like you're talking we've got this person who said this and this person and this

01:20:49.220 you know there must be some legal way to challenge some of these these things you need a bit of money

01:20:55.960 though don't you to do it yes but i mean somebody like toby young you know has has a bit of money

01:21:02.740 right yes yeah could toby young not try and bring some sort of prosecution against i don't know but

01:21:08.520 you know that it certainly should be suggested yeah yeah have you had him on the show who no

01:21:15.180 toby young no uh too conservative

01:21:18.840 he's too party

01:21:23.640 oh right yeah i guess right yeah maybe yeah i might have him on he's adjacent to us i was gonna

01:21:28.500 i was gonna have denningpole first and then maybe i'll i'll reach out for a james yeah you know his

01:21:34.160 brother as well yes but james is is james is just one of you i mean nigel won't have james denningpole 0.86

01:21:40.240 there's another person yes you know like when i was setting up the party yes james denningpole's on

01:21:46.640 on the list that you're not allowed to have of the horribles yeah the untouchables that's kind of why i want to

01:21:51.320 have him on um well he'll come on i'm joking we'd love to have him on oh absolutely lady 50-ish

01:21:56.560 says uh black belt barrister from youtube might be a good guest for legal views oh maybe i'll look

01:22:01.760 out for i've not encountered that name before also i've just noticed we've got some video comments

01:22:05.960 oh yeah we've got video comments should we should we do a video comment yeah we do the video comments

01:22:09.300 samson samson's still there maybe he's popped to the loo no he's there

01:22:14.540 right the mention of ann rand's the fountainhead on yesterday's podcast reminded me of my old high

01:22:25.500 school reading list i'm not sure what the uk's curriculum is but i remember reading books like

01:22:29.800 the fountainhead as well as the jungle as they lay dying to kill a mockingbird most of which took

01:22:34.700 place around the time period that the book was written in my question to you all is what books

01:22:38.840 from today do you think would be included in future curriculum like 50 to 100 years from now

01:22:44.160 when your grandchildren visit what will their books include what moments in history will they take place

01:22:48.840 in hopefully none because nearly all literature that gets published this day these days is absurdly woke

01:22:57.480 well i would have um hopefully vance's i mean i read vance's book um hillbilly elegy when it came out

01:23:04.820 uh have you read it yeah yeah and you know but it's not really very startling you could swap out tom

01:23:12.400 sawyer for that but i think we haven't got one for the uk and that one is waiting to be written so

01:23:20.140 what what what i would include is most of ed dutton's books they're very good well i thought he's talking

01:23:26.300 about fiction oh fiction maybe i'm wrong maybe i've got the end of the stick but oh um maybe i've got

01:23:32.420 the wrong end of the stick well fiction i mean most of the arts are you can't get published yeah they

01:23:37.340 are so but there is that fictional book which i haven't read from france where you had a have got

01:23:43.620 a muslim republic oh i know the one you mean yes isn't that band or something yeah but that's one

01:23:50.720 where he's yeah talks about what we've got another video comment let's watch that one

01:23:54.700 i had hoped to avoid commenting on the riots but i cannot believe that this analysis hasn't been given

01:24:01.960 light a man was severely assaulted outside a pub those inside did nothing to help him nothing

01:24:11.180 i am quite clear who the evil people in all this are

01:24:15.420 yeah that was extraordinary um the guy got beaten up for being outside the pub and then the pub land

01:24:22.500 lord banned him he's got a lacerated liver yeah and i don't know how serious but it sounds pretty

01:24:29.920 terrible um i'm no doctor but it doesn't sound good no i thought islam was the religion of peace 0.99

01:24:37.140 though is it is it not that it's and then that's it's the religion of submission not peace it's a

01:24:44.060 bad translation that religion of peace do you know that yeah of course yeah i'm being yeah sorry

01:24:48.280 yeah no it's david cameron and obama said that that it's a religion of peace didn't they

01:24:52.960 next video in tech news amd processors have been discovered to have a ring zero level flaw built

01:24:59.360 physically into the hardware you know what company has special access to ring zero on windows

01:25:03.940 crowdstrike the company that just caused a ring zero crash of 8.5 million computers

01:25:09.040 and who does crowdstrike have special certifications with the u.s government of course apparently anyone

01:25:15.560 exploiting this really can't be detected either i'm sure this whole issue is totally an accident

01:25:20.240 and not built into billions of cpus on purpose for the last 20 years oh dear i've got an amd processor

01:25:28.460 i think i better get i better upgrade and get an intel next and it is i've taken a photo of our

01:25:35.000 friend here um and i've noticed there are a number of differences uh in this photograph he has a beard

01:25:38.960 in this photo he does not in this photo this skin is dark in tone in this photo it's a lot paler

01:25:44.160 and this photograph there is a man whereas in this photograph there is a little girl

01:25:47.820 also the ears are different so right what i'm going to do is i'm going to let you in this time but

01:25:53.560 with a warning you really do need to update your passport photograph take care jennifer

01:25:58.260 the funny is the funny thing is funny not not half funny the little britain guys that was that

01:26:07.180 was to lampoon that type of thing right we'd look at that and go oh yeah right on and they would

01:26:12.560 you know they're they're not doing that so i think that that comment about the pub um we should

01:26:20.360 really focus on again and this is the point about as we know from germany and from all sorts of things

01:26:28.200 when there's an epileptic fit on a bus i remember when i was a child on an airport bus my father was

01:26:34.620 the only person who went up to deal with that person was having epileptic fit to get him to stop

01:26:40.960 biting his tongue and everybody else just stood there like this and did nothing and you you have this

01:26:45.760 terrible it's in all most societies it's particularly bad i think in the english that's why we were

01:26:52.360 talking about the irish and not as standoffish they just 90 of them do nothing yeah next video

01:26:59.400 friends pardon my indulgence but after nine months of working five to midnight every day i finally got

01:27:05.980 my grandfather's station wagon back on the road the last thing he ever said to me in his deathbed was

01:27:10.440 imploring me to restore it which i would have done anyway but the promise made it extra special it really

01:27:15.220 is true all that is meaningful in life comes just from familiar responsibilities and big block mopars

01:27:20.820 and i made the local car festival 10 minutes before the gate closed not a moment wasted still work to

01:27:25.800 be done obviously she'll win her at the body shop but for now at least promises made promises kept

01:27:30.640 missy grandpa that is one set of skills that i wish i had that i could do that

01:27:36.460 well done and physically achieving something with your hands it really is rewarding yeah you make

01:27:43.780 something right i get a little bit of satisfaction from having completed a really good spreadsheet but

01:27:49.200 it's not that if i can't create an entire map on c4 you know i feel like i've achieved something

01:27:55.680 um right so um 38 think violence is the answer um oh punk says brits adopting the attitude of

01:28:04.440 enrichment how long did you expect them to tolerate balkanization the second class status 0.87

01:28:09.500 before they started taking care of their own first two um and no long pork says um those who make

01:28:18.020 peaceful revolution impossible will make a violent revolution inevitable is that an accurate jfk quote

01:28:24.360 i always wonder with these quotes jfk is that is he said it i think that is the accurate quote was

01:28:29.420 it jfk who said it was he quoted someone else so you're not quoting jefferson or something i'm always

01:28:34.380 especially yeah i i looked at i thought because i thought that was an innocent quote and i looked into it

01:28:38.280 and i couldn't find i could an edison quote and i couldn't find it so i wonder if it's one of those

01:28:42.280 quotes that gets yeah you know spun around um rb says the thing to take away from the survey is that

01:28:48.520 39 of people are willing to admit it how much higher would the number be if it included those who think

01:28:53.580 it but are afraid to say so if you scroll forward in time that number's probably only going to

01:28:58.480 increase isn't it and the issue is what happens when something triggers them like the others when

01:29:04.780 somebody sees a child of five a little girl stabbed to death in front of them then they're triggered and

01:29:10.900 then that completely changes because these are all sitting in your armchair sort of numbers

01:29:15.860 dirty belter says we've seen throughout history that violence is a way to get what you want from

01:29:20.440 carthage to running meat island the taliban won the ira won um islam has many victories in britain

01:29:27.220 yeah i mean that's that's the thing it's like historic perspective does tend to work

01:29:33.340 sans culotte yeah the french revolution but unfortunately the left have been extremely good

01:29:39.920 at it and they're allowed to do it which is yeah oh no sorry according to a there's no such thing as

01:29:45.860 populism that's just a delusion it's never happened ever so uh this is a this is a very sensible point

01:29:53.020 as a wise man once said violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are

01:29:58.800 derided yes the word of the text itself yeah the government has got a monopoly on violence whether

01:30:04.680 that's through the police or the army or whatever that is the bottom line right they will physically

01:30:10.000 knock your door down and physically take you away if they need to yeah so yeah um jimbo g says if you

01:30:18.020 took a tweet from narinda or dr schola and changed the races around you were probably arrested in

01:30:23.480 starma's britain yeah yeah exactly um lancelot from camelot says if charles wanted to be a proper king

01:30:30.340 he would dissolve parliament yeah they can't they can't really on paper they can do that but they can't

01:30:36.960 really do that queen victoria over 150 years ago tried to put her oar in a bit and it didn't work

01:30:44.460 and anyway charles agrees with yeah right and he's a global that's not going to work he's a

01:30:50.900 globalist and so there's well be and yeah yeah and there's no church i mean there's no leadership

01:30:57.000 from the church because it's the complete opposite yeah yeah uh beggar hero says honestly the english 0.83

01:31:04.700 uh when they see the elite kowtowing to various minorities and when the writing and learn that

01:31:09.940 violence can achieve goals i mean it looked that way didn't it because there was the leads one

01:31:13.280 beforehand and the harran hill ones so you can understand why people thought it but of course

01:31:18.180 different rules apply to different groups it just depends if the government is sympathetic to what

01:31:22.200 you're doing or not yes or at least got an element of sympathy if you take sort of the poll tax riots

01:31:27.920 under thatcher yes um she wasn't a maoist type who would be like no this line in the sand will not bend

01:31:36.240 no she she didn't agree with them but she had enough simple enough human sympathy or whatever

01:31:41.920 to realize or enough political now perhaps you might say to say okay no we're going to reverse then

01:31:47.040 on this um corax 1998 says beau and dan will lead as two kings what do you know two kings what do you

01:31:57.860 want let's say you can't have england do you want scotland or wales i'll take the other one

01:32:01.100 i'll take england please no no oh can't have that no no car will take england he'll get the isle of 0.87

01:32:07.820 wade i'll be king you can just be a jew i'll make you a kick-ass duke that would probably be better 0.97

01:32:13.900 actually less responsibility more frivolity um on the musk uh musk interviews trump uh brian tomlin says 0.53

01:32:21.120 to tie up a couple of today's subjects as uh as reform as a private limited company could elon musk buy

01:32:27.820 them represent us uh from the safety of his immense wealth can he they don't buy by reform

01:32:34.720 aggressive takeover well robin has said that nigel's preparing to sell the shares as they

01:32:41.440 actually made that point before i mean right um oh there we go elon if you're watching get in there

01:32:46.200 theoretically i suppose he could yes probably sold to a saudi prince um opunk says elon wanted to talk

01:32:54.060 about migration he took uh one look at what's happening in the uk and understood the implications

01:32:58.760 um trump's certain demographic ban looking better and better yes um grant gibson says drill baby drill

01:33:08.620 was sarah palin originally i believe oh yes i think you're right yeah i think i think he's right on that

01:33:13.460 one um bjorn fernbach says i think reform will pitter out like ukip because of nigel if he doesn't grow a 0.89

01:33:23.180 spine like a corsair uh with a large exhaust he will get it would be all blow and no go and his age

01:33:31.020 i know he has got some younger people voting and more young men under 25 voted for reform than

01:33:38.860 they did for the conservatives but you know it is true that his demographic is dying and this my main

01:33:47.140 worry in is the demographics because the demographics are demographics of destiny um they are changing so

01:33:54.780 fast this lack of children from the english is is is catastrophic um the aging of the population

01:34:03.080 who can't go out and riot even if they would want to in their zimmer frames um is like who is going to

01:34:10.860 do it and the demographics just move it um and this is quite an interesting issue as well which i think

01:34:17.520 a whole pile of stuff could be done on of is you know is this as elon has mentioned about this global

01:34:23.220 collapse and uh in uh in in population growth which is just unbelievable in some countries i mean

01:34:31.320 and we are building all these new houses over our farmland to effectively in a world where

01:34:39.480 the demographics are collapsing you can get a house in japan get given one in the countryside some

01:34:45.280 australians are just going over and getting them um and they have the oldest demographic structure but

01:34:50.820 you know some of these numbers are amazing that that jamaica has um is way below it replacement rate

01:34:58.180 like 1.7 south korea is now at the point where in 30 years time if they had if they use their entire

01:35:05.660 working age population just to look after the old people they still wouldn't have enough people let 1.00

01:35:10.600 alone do everything else and and countries which you don't consider that have like nepal now have a

01:35:15.680 such a problem with the old that they are being dumped outside monasteries in katmandu because there's

01:35:20.880 nobody to look after them so you've had this this in a single generation the number of children

01:35:26.280 going down from sort of 11 to 1.6 yeah just yeah well let's let's tax property more and all that

01:35:33.320 kind of stuff rounding it off yeah um yes uh baz last comment baz north fc says do you think people

01:35:40.720 jailed for social media posts will serve their full sentence well normally the way it works in this

01:35:44.400 country is if you get sentenced for less than two years you're automatically eligible for release

01:35:47.960 halfway through it will be interesting to see if they make an exception for thought crime i mean

01:35:53.860 they're certainly letting out people who've gone to jail for murder out early in order to put people

01:35:59.060 who've guilty of thought crime in and you would imagine if if the jan 6 example is anything to go

01:36:05.620 by you do not release political prisoners until you are forced to oh yeah so probably not anyway

01:36:11.760 anyway so you're you're hosting you wrap us up yeah so well thanks for watching that has been

01:36:16.840 tuesday the 13th of august 2024 uh thank you katherine thank you dan okay until next time take care

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