The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #979

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast lotus eases episodes 979 i'm your host harry joined today

00:00:14.480 by stelios hello and special returning guest jess gill hello hello how are you doing jess i'm good

00:00:20.060 how are you i'm fine thank you we've already had this discussion in the studio um you haven't asked

00:00:25.880 me how i am i know you're doing all right stelios you're a happy-go-lucky elf person i assume he is

00:00:32.160 short compared to me but aren't they all and um where can people find you to start off with um

00:00:37.700 twitter jessgill03 is my handle anywhere else that's probably the best okay there you go no

00:00:45.000 youtube or anything that's good and today we're going to be talking about the globalist globalist

00:00:49.680 censorship conspiracy the updates on what's been going on with nord stream 2 which has developed

00:00:54.580 quite dramatically over the past few days and we're going to be looking at humza yusuf versus

00:00:58.920 elon musk and as a special announcement as well tomorrow we'll be joined by raif heidel manku to

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00:02:05.340 with that let's get into the news right so globalists are trying to censor us to promote multiculturalism

00:02:12.020 and the expansion of the state now i think that the modern western state is a narcissistic racist

00:02:19.560 anti-white authoritarian state and i want to stress the narcissism bit a bit okay so we've all met

00:02:28.240 people who are narcissistic it's all about themselves they constantly claim to be good

00:02:33.900 they constantly virtue signal they constantly appeal to general rules but they always apply them

00:02:41.000 selectively and never to their own case and they really hate it when people just call them out

00:02:45.940 and tell them that they're hypocrites and that they're not honoring their part of the deal

00:02:50.660 so i think that this is precisely the modern state people make demands from it that the state should

00:02:59.260 honor and rather than honoring it turns its back against the people it is supposed to represent

00:03:05.000 and it actually tries to censor them why to promote a multiculturalism that few people want and no one

00:03:13.640 has been asked for certainly no one voted for exactly you could say that a lot of people who have been

00:03:20.300 asked have voted against it multiple times quite notoriously i don't think there's been an election

00:03:27.400 campaign over the past who knows how long in the uk there's one that hasn't been won off of the back

00:03:33.000 of at least somewhat uh immigration restriction promises which have been broken yes but that's

00:03:39.120 the issue that whenever you confront with your speech and your criticism narcissists they're going

00:03:45.320 to evade it constantly and either tell you that you're a hater for criticizing them or they're going

00:03:49.960 to divert attention from facts to something different let us see here katherine mayer from the npr ceo

00:03:57.060 who is talking about something of the sort every now and then you get someone who is so blunt about

00:04:03.060 things that is just a gem a gem of cynicism that we should play over and over again and never forget

00:04:09.140 let's listen to this

00:04:10.740 click again and again

00:04:15.540 oh maybe go back so we can get a better hearing of that

00:04:20.980 would you like me to i can do it it's not responding but it will

00:04:31.060 could we please play this video this is twitter problems now let's see

00:04:39.460 i think we can see the quote of what she said there if we yeah if we refresh it maybe then

00:04:43.380 i think our reverence for the truth might become might have become a bit of a distraction that is

00:04:50.580 preventing us from finding consensus and getting important things done exactly so reverence for the

00:04:56.980 truth is preventing us from getting things done and from finding a consensus how does this sound

00:05:02.900 this sounds like a completely foreign and alien perspective to me as far back as you can look the

00:05:07.940 west has always had a sort of reverence for truth which has aided it well in the past and

00:05:13.060 this is very modern thinking what do you think jess i don't know i don't think it is alien at least

00:05:19.700 to me because for example i'm at university at the moment and i understand with like scientific

00:05:25.380 debate in political science there are different claims and there are different you know facts

00:05:30.820 there are different assumptions and so you have to be skeptical about that but it goes a bit further

00:05:35.700 we're taught to question everything but there's no straight down facts and there's rarely any focus

00:05:40.340 of facts but this does remind me of i think it must have been ages ago but i don't know if you remember

00:05:45.780 aoc saying it's more important to be morally right and actually care about the facts like this has been

00:05:51.300 going on for a while but now it's no longer just like a rabid leftist politician and now it's just

00:05:57.140 anyone nowadays i mean this is the ceo of npr so is a rabid leftist saying such things but that's

00:06:02.980 interesting as well that you consider that well that's the ceo of npr that's a news organization so

00:06:08.100 what does that say about the veracity of news reported on npr are you going to trust it perhaps

00:06:12.740 that there are disinformation experts perhaps but one thing to say about what you said jess is that

00:06:19.220 it's really terrifying how people are dissociating moral rightness from facts what aoc said is

00:06:25.860 absolutely terrifying and we always want consensus because society wouldn't function otherwise but the

00:06:33.620 question is there are how are we going to discern between better and worse consent forms of consensus

00:06:42.820 and without talking about facts we can't have a good consensus so um let's go to this fellow here

00:06:51.700 thierry breton who is an unelected eu bureaucrat he sent a very interesting post to elon musk right before

00:07:02.180 elon musk stage the interview with donald trump but before we talk about this analytically i want us

00:07:09.940 to look at what he says in the very beginning with great audience comes greater responsibility because

00:07:16.100 to me this seems exactly a very narcissistic way of going about things for the following reason first of

00:07:23.700 all it is true it is a general principle that i think is true the greater audience gives people

00:07:32.020 greater power and with great power comes great responsibility as a once great sage said but

00:07:38.020 what is interesting is that he doesn't apply to himself has he applied it to himself has he applied

00:07:43.380 it to mainstream media has he applied it that to the eu that is constantly promoting open border

00:07:49.540 policies that no one wants it appears he has not so that's what seems to me absolutely narcissistic what

00:07:57.140 do you think ladies first well i was just gonna say with great power of great an audience comes great

00:08:05.220 responsibility again they do have their sets of moral values and they do have their moral standards and you can see this in the uk with the current protests and riots

00:08:13.140 how you know they just seem to ignore the fact that three girls three young girls were murdered that seems to be brushed over that fact

00:08:23.140 whereas they can discuss you know the so-called riots going on the anger that people feel that's dismissed

00:08:29.140 and then you compare that to something like black lives matter i know this point is made a million times

00:08:33.140 but it's important to reiterate how there is that double standard and again they just pick and choose facts

00:08:38.980 and they think that someone like nigel farage for example is being irresponsible with his audience when

00:08:46.500 or like elon musk for example raising awareness of freedom of speech whereas they're raising awareness of

00:08:52.100 issues that are important to them i think free speech is a very important issue and the same when it comes to

00:08:58.340 terrorist incidents or the effects of mass immigration i think these are important things to raise awareness

00:09:04.660 of and so to say they're being irresponsible just shows how far away they can't visualize our morality

00:09:12.260 they can't see our point of view but narcissists make it all about the responsibilities of the other

00:09:18.740 side of the deal it's the other framework isn't it it's funny because you hear like um like humzy uses for

00:09:26.500 example is gaslighting people um around like calling elon musk a race beta when hamzy use is calling

00:09:34.420 people you know saying whiteness is a bad thing again he's hideously furious that scotland is a white

00:09:39.780 country yeah with the principle of with great audience comes great responsibility i do actually

00:09:44.900 think that there is some legitimacy to that but the fact is that the european commission the eu

00:09:49.140 tiara breton all of these people are using their own power and response in an irresponsible way because

00:09:55.380 elon musk has at least been trying to highlight acts of gross misconduct on the form of the two-tier

00:10:01.460 policing system within the uk the way that the you british people are being mistreated by their own

00:10:07.300 governments and the european commission and the eu are turning around and saying no no no no no no

00:10:12.260 you don't get to talk about that you've got a big audience what you've got to do is tell our line

00:10:16.820 you've got to promote our narrative whether or not it has any basis in truth exactly and you will see

00:10:23.380 that he is also talking about public security never asking the question whether the open borders

00:10:29.860 policies of the eu are promoting situations where europeans feel less safe it's not about his

00:10:37.780 responsibility it's always about the responsibility of the people now um brussels has accused its

00:10:45.300 internal market commissioner of going rogue by sending a letter to elon musk threatening punishment if

00:10:50.340 content posted on social media was found to place eu citizens at risk of serious harm and they said

00:10:57.700 that this is possibly election interference because he was directly talking about donald trump now we

00:11:04.420 have here an interesting free speech uh union article that it says it may be true that the commissioner's

00:11:10.660 decision to send the letter was made without wider consent within the commission but the argument still

00:11:16.340 seems like a weak excuse given that as internal market chief breton is fully empowered to oversee

00:11:22.660 enforcement of the dsa this is the digital services act that he has overseen and can communicate with

00:11:28.900 companies who fall subject to the new rules independently the commission spokesman also confirmed what

00:11:33.780 breton said in the letter namely that the ongoing investigation against x into whether it violates the dsa

00:11:40.580 relying too much free speech will take into account the restitution of donald trump's account

00:11:46.820 suspended after january 6th so it's obvious what they're trying to do it's obvious that they are

00:11:53.300 trying to prevent donald trump from winning the presidency it is interesting though there seems to

00:11:58.500 be at least some disagreement within the eu regarding this seeing as they were very quick to disavow the

00:12:04.260 original statement yes but the question is whether this disagreement is just a virtue signaling

00:12:09.300 one and whether it is or and whether it's going to translate into action well well i wonder if the

00:12:15.540 eu is beginning to consider that maybe it's not the best idea to pick a fight with the richest man in the

00:12:20.020 world well he has a habit of picking a fight with elon musk and he has apparently a habit of sending

00:12:27.940 weirdly sounding tweets this was from last may may 26th of 2023 he wrote twitter lives eu voluntary code of

00:12:36.980 practice against disinformation but obligations remain you can run but you can't hide beyond voluntary

00:12:43.060 commitments fighting disinformation will be legal obligation under dsa as of august 25 our teams will

00:12:49.940 be ready for enforcement now this doesn't seem to me to be the kind of post or message that a

00:12:59.060 politic political actor is supposed to send this seems to me to be personal who writes you can run

00:13:06.900 but you can't hide yeah when has that been ever used by the good guy in a movie well again to me this

00:13:12.980 all comes across as um all but no bite due to the fact that they have two problems when it comes to

00:13:19.940 trying to persecute elon musk number one which is the more personal problem that all politicians of

00:13:25.300 the west have which is that he owns twitter and if they want to ban twitter in their own countries or do

00:13:31.220 things to smack twitter down they're all addicted to it so i don't think that they would like a world

00:13:37.220 without twitter because they can't help but either try to grandstand to the crowd or more often more

00:13:43.940 likely humiliate themselves because i'm almost certain that the uk the uk politicians at least

00:13:49.300 have some kind of sick humiliation fetish and number two elon musk is highly highly integrated into

00:13:56.660 the u.s governmental power structure with all of the government contracts that his own companies

00:14:02.260 particularly space x have which are in the multi billions of dollars and so the u the eu being

00:14:08.980 mainly made up of u.s vassal states might have trouble from the u.s side if they were to truly do

00:14:15.460 anything against musk at the moment right let's switch continent now because it isn't just in europe

00:14:21.140 it's also in brazil now i'm going to talk about allegations i'm not going to present these as facts but

00:14:26.420 i'm going to talk about the allegations from both sides so you can see here a very interesting thread

00:14:31.620 by mario nofal he's talking about the attempt in brazil allegations about brazilian authorities trying

00:14:40.260 to crack down on free speech and twitter and asking elon musk to censor some posts and some accounts and

00:14:48.740 also infiltrate also let's say change the algorithm in order to propagate their message and elon musk on

00:14:58.340 the other side is saying that this platform is being asked to sense to censor content in brazil

00:15:03.860 whether where the censorship demands requires to violate brazilian law that is not right so i don't

00:15:10.100 know exactly what is going on but the same things that are happening in the eu and the same accusations and

00:15:16.500 requests made from elon musk in the eu are really similar with those made in brazil they're not just

00:15:25.220 in brazil here we have mark cuban who went on john stewart to complain about elon musk and x but ended up

00:15:31.780 being an advertisement for why people should be on x now i'm not going to play it play it if you want we

00:15:37.300 have the links on our website but they said some things that i think really require discussion so first

00:15:43.860 of all they said that elon musk is irresponsible because he's calling for civil war i think that

00:15:50.100 this is a very disingenuous claim to make this is actual disinformation this is the worst interpretation

00:15:58.100 of a claim that people can make because they routinely do not distinguish between warnings and

00:16:05.140 threats you could say for instance if you're promoting really unpopular policies you're censoring the

00:16:13.460 population that is against these policies and you're creating a sectarian society where there is

00:16:20.340 rising violence yeah that's not gonna end well when you say this it doesn't mean that you want this

00:16:25.940 to happen it means that you don't want this to happen and you want people who promote these

00:16:30.180 multiculturalist policies to stop promoting them so that was absolutely disingenuous but what is

00:16:35.780 interesting is that they double down again on this narcissistic theme of constantly asking other

00:16:44.020 people to be responsible without them being responsible they're saying he's the richest man in

00:16:48.260 the world yes he probably is he has tremendous power due to twitter yes he does but they never ask

00:16:57.780 the same about mainstream media and they say also that for instance it's roughly 20 percent of the people in

00:17:03.940 in the u.s who has access into twitter eighty percent don't enter twitter they say but they are watching

00:17:12.980 mainstream media so the question is if someone if alternative platforms are gaining power why not try

00:17:20.260 to listen to the people so you solve the legitimacy issue and and let's say improve mainstream media so

00:17:28.260 people are going to think that they are legitimate once again they're not they're not interested in

00:17:34.820 assuming any kind of responsibility they're not interested into looking at into thinking that they

00:17:40.580 owe uh obligations to the people they're supposed to represent they're always blaming the other side

00:17:47.860 even when they have tremendous power themselves and i think we should show precisely how this happens in

00:17:55.140 terms of legislation and we have here three hate speech laws no four hate speech laws which is the irish

00:18:03.300 the scottish the canadian and the digital services act and i'm not going to bore you with details but

00:18:10.820 i'm going to show you that especially in the irish one we see a lot of patterns replicated in all of them

00:18:18.740 and there's a push towards subjectivity now the problem with subjectivity is that it gives it opens

00:18:25.780 the door to arbitrary authority because whenever we're it's one thing to say obviously yeah incitement

00:18:31.140 to violence and and harm is to be prosecuted and understand violence and harm in a physical sense

00:18:40.420 that's objective we understand what that is much better than if we talk about harm and violence in a

00:18:46.820 psychological sense where everyone can say i'm offended therefore i have been psychologically

00:18:52.020 harmed so what they're doing is they're trying to open through legislation the door to arbitrary

00:18:58.180 authority they're trying to portray to introduce a psychological notion of harm and say that the

00:19:05.540 government has the responsibility to tackle down psychological harm and psychological harm is whatever

00:19:13.300 people want it to be and it's whatever people in power want it to be well they they take their new

00:19:21.300 remit the government's new remit is almost exclusively dealing with psychological harm which is as you

00:19:27.620 mentioned completely up in the air as to what that actually means does it mean that you're a little bit

00:19:31.940 upset did it mean that you got a little bit offended does it mean that you have lifelong psychological

00:19:37.220 trauma from now on and you won't be able to sleep the same and you'll be waking up in cold sweats

00:19:43.140 they take that as a much more important duty than actually policing physical harm that comes across

00:19:48.500 people unless as we saw over the riots over the past few weeks that right that that harm is being

00:19:54.740 committed by particular kinds of people yes because the number one priority of the of the police or of

00:20:01.540 the state as far as the police is concerned is to not be called racist well i mean if you in in the uk

00:20:07.780 even in london a few years ago maybe back in 2017 i think there was an admission from the metropolitan

00:20:13.300 police that they just didn't have enough officers and detectives to follow up on all of the murders

00:20:18.260 that are going on in london and that's probably been worse been made worse since then um so it's much

00:20:24.340 much much easier to get um the new spate of police officers tiny women uh who are naturally inclined to

00:20:31.460 being busy bodies to spend all of their time trawling through people's twitter accounts and

00:20:35.700 arresting them for that than it is to get them to go out and you know kick doors in and arrest hardened

00:20:41.060 criminals and murderers no offense jess no absolutely i do wonder how much of the police are actually you

00:20:48.740 know okay with this compared to how much of it is like the legislative measures and the executive

00:20:55.940 and just governments in general like how many police officers are actually wanting to you know

00:21:01.940 restore justice it can't be good for them it can't be good for people who you know when you sign up to

00:21:06.820 the job i'm sure there are some means like you are to protect the community and i i don't want this

00:21:12.740 narrative that all police officers are just like woke small women i don't think that's obviously true

00:21:18.900 and so i bet that's so demoralizing for them as well to enforce that but again like what can they do

00:21:23.780 well i saw a clip recently which was one of the classic ones a police officer speaking to a woman

00:21:28.740 who was standing outside of an abortion center silently praying in her own head and he issued

00:21:33.460 her some kind of um fine for causing disorder some public order offense for standing around there

00:21:40.580 despite the fact that she said she'd already been arrested twice for it and was basically told that

00:21:44.980 okay it is legal for you to do that i don't think it's a good situation where you should be

00:21:48.420 allowed to silently pray in your own head but either way he did that which seems to be against

00:21:54.340 the priors that have been set by the other arrests and i was sat there watching this video going is this

00:21:59.380 what you signed up to the police for is this what you do you think that you are aiding the community

00:22:05.460 in persecuting this one woman who's standing by an abortion center praying in her own head

00:22:11.220 is that justice i think essentially what is happening here is that they're pushing not for a ministry

00:22:17.300 of truth but a ministry of emotion it's going to be filled with bureaucrats who are going to decide

00:22:23.860 for instance who has been offended and who has been psychologically harmed or not and this isn't they

00:22:30.340 they don't care about facts they just care about a consensus and that means their multiculturalist

00:22:36.020 consensus and here we can see in the irish hate speech law you can see here this is page 13 out

00:22:43.380 of 40 in the document again we have all of the links there they say offense of preparing or possessing

00:22:49.620 material likely to incite violence or hatred against persons on account of the protected characteristics

00:22:56.420 which means you don't even have to disseminate something you mean you merely have to possess which

00:23:02.580 also raises an interesting question how do they know if you possess something but haven't circulated

00:23:09.780 it and be careful with your phone's meme folders be very very careful with the memes that you have

00:23:15.220 saved i have to go and delete yeah and just look at what they're doing in order to make things even

00:23:20.420 more arbitrary they're introducing another clause clause 11 there that says protection of freedom of

00:23:27.060 expression for the purposes of this part any material or behavior is not taken to incite violence

00:23:32.420 or hatred against a person or a group of persons on account of the protected characteristics

00:23:37.620 or any of those characteristics solely on the basis that that material or behavior includes or involves

00:23:44.180 discussion or criticism of matters relating to a protected characteristic as if anyone is going to

00:23:50.580 take this seriously because it's not about who is going to say well i understand the criticism and not

00:23:58.100 say that the criticism is hate speech that's exactly what they're doing so essentially what they're

00:24:02.900 doing is they're basically gaslighting so yeah so if i criticize certain communities on the basis of

00:24:09.140 crime statistics for instance is that going to be legitimate criticism or is that going to be hate

00:24:13.460 speech well it depends upon the arbitrary whims of the bureaucrats who are members of the ministry of emotion

00:24:22.500 here we have the same thing you can check also about the hate crime in scotland and then the monster

00:24:28.660 the scottish monster initiative we also have bill c 63 in canada intruders canada that is very censorious

00:24:36.100 and again it introduces clause all that are very subjective and here we have the dsa it's a it's a very long

00:24:44.900 document here what you can do is you can go on the search bar type hate speech and it's going to show

00:24:50.500 you the pages where it has hate speech again what the dsa does is it says that online platforms must

00:24:57.780 conform to hate speech laws so for instance if you're in ireland dsa says that people and accounts

00:25:03.860 in ireland must conform to the irish hate speech law so we have here the public feud over platform x comes

00:25:13.220 at a time when disinformation and deep fakes have helped to fuel political discord and an outbreak of

00:25:18.900 uk writing again again again there is this focus on the accounts and the rhetoric of a few people

00:25:29.540 and there is zero focus on the policies that are introducing these these sectarianism

00:25:38.740 into our societies it's like people who are saying well i don't want you to gasp for oxygen

00:25:44.740 while they're depriving the room you are in of oxygen that's exactly what what they're doing

00:25:52.500 and why why are they doing this because they want they are not interested in using mainstream media to

00:26:00.500 do anything other but promote their multiculturalist narrative they don't think they're responsible they

00:26:07.700 don't think they're accountable to the people they claim to represent but they do want to maintain

00:26:11.860 the illusion that they represent these people here we have a collection of the negative headlines from

00:26:16.100 the trump and elon spaces you see all of them are ultra biased as you would expect one of my favorite

00:26:22.100 things about this if you look at this one in the top left here trump rambles slurs his way through

00:26:26.580 elon musk interview it was an unmitigated disaster um the new tactic that has seemed to be affected by

00:26:34.420 leftists both online and in the mainstream media seems to be that they're trying to pull a biden on

00:26:40.660 trump and suggest that oh oh trump's looking really old oh he's slurring his way through

00:26:45.540 oh do you think he's got dementia guys do you think he might be not fit for office

00:26:49.540 as if it's going to work for anybody who actually listens to donald trump talk and compare it with

00:26:55.620 joe biden only a few also question where is joe biden i know apparently he made an appearance

00:27:00.900 a few days ago but this man is technically still in charge of the u.s right technically

00:27:06.980 tech technically but i noticed this as well what's what's trending here hashtag harris waltz

00:27:13.540 landslide 2024 now that's some wishful thinking going on yeah right there whoever whoever decided

00:27:19.540 that was going to be a hashtag they've got dementia as well perhaps that's what biden's doing now he's in

00:27:24.100 charge all the astroturf memes about kamala harris being like so brass and everything

00:27:28.580 oh she didn't fall out of a coconut tree i know that he should give the ronald reagan response to

00:27:34.900 walter mondale in the 1984 i'm not familiar where he said where everyone was asking in the first debate

00:27:42.580 whether ronald reagan was uh fit enough to to be a president and he he said basically i'm not going to

00:27:51.460 make age an issue of this campaign i'm not going to um what did he say i'm not going to take advantage

00:28:00.980 of my opponent's youth and inexperience yeah so that's quite good he said it more eloquently than

00:28:06.340 that i think you should give the william f bookley response that he gave to gore vidal yeah so last

00:28:12.740 thing where all this is leading to this is leading to the ministry of emotion and to arbitrary governance

00:28:19.860 to destroy the idea of citizenship to destroy and habituate the people into thinking that into

00:28:27.540 not being citizens into thinking that anything that they do that may question the narrative is already

00:28:34.340 being an extremist and they want to promote the ultra narcissistic way of thinking about things

00:28:41.220 which is nina turner's thinking here black liberation and palestinian liberation are linked

00:28:47.300 which is essentially them saying unless i get everything i want i get nothing if you disagree

00:28:54.180 with this you're an extremist that's exactly their point and that's what where they want to end up they

00:28:59.300 want absolute power they want to yield arbitrarily they want to to destroy the rule of law and they

00:29:07.700 don't think that they are accountable to the people yet but they want to maintain the facade that they are

00:29:13.380 do you think nina turner's ever read anything on the treatment of african slaves under the arabs

00:29:20.980 and the eastern slave trade do you think she's ever read anything i don't think that she cares thomas

00:29:25.460 thomas soul has a very interesting essay on it that maybe makes her think that

00:29:30.420 they might not treat us so well i really don't think she cares no neither do i it's all under the

00:29:35.300 nice big post-modern umbrella samson do we have access to the rumble rants like we have no we okay

00:29:45.300 we've got a broken extension so we'll save those until the end in that case so in that case let's

00:29:50.980 talk about the developments that have been going on with the ongoing cases that have been looking

00:29:55.460 into what happened at nordstream 2 all the way back on in september of 2022 so it's been almost

00:30:02.340 two years since the now famous explosions that ruptured nordstream 2 which was a pipeline

00:30:08.020 going from russia to germany supplying natural gases at the time it seemed to be an act of

00:30:14.580 sabotage and there was a lot of different fingers pointing in many different directions of course at the

00:30:20.340 time the eu and other member states were talking about how it was a russian act of sabotage which was

00:30:27.700 done to destabilize the west who would become increasingly dependent on russian natural gas

00:30:33.620 for its own resources and as a way to basically put them into a crisis mode come winter of 2022 now

00:30:42.020 there was quite a lot of contention as to whether this was the case but this is certainly something

00:30:46.420 that we were fed at the time on the wikipedia page i noticed that it pointed out here and you can check the

00:30:52.340 links uh on here to verify this information so in october of 2022 less than a month after this

00:31:00.580 initially happened russia had confirmed the pipe b of the nordstream 2 pipeline had escaped destruction

00:31:05.940 and offered to resume gas supply to europe now that was going to be on the basis of resuming

00:31:11.540 payment because there'd been a number of disruptions to nordstream one since the middle of 2021 due to some

00:31:17.380 issues with the pipeline and also due to concerns of non-payment of the rubles that were owed in

00:31:23.140 return for the gas supplies uh but it was declined by berlin because of course they were all in on the

00:31:29.540 ukraine effort and as far as i'm aware still are but for for a country that supposedly did it themselves

00:31:36.180 this seemed to be strange behavior and there were a lot of questions asked over whether russia who would

00:31:42.180 have had a great position of leverage over the west if it was in control of as it was in germany

00:31:48.580 about 55 of its natural gas supplies come the winter why they would choose to sabotage their own

00:31:54.020 infrastructure which they'd put billions and billions of dollars into as had the western states that had

00:32:00.260 collaborated with them when instead they could have simply as they had done with the nordstream one

00:32:06.020 pipeline turn it off and then the infrastructure is still there in the future for once peace time

00:32:12.100 has resumed and you can carry this on or again you can use it as a point of leverage for the western

00:32:17.220 states it seemed like a very strange conclusion to come to as far as i can tell if you think it

00:32:23.780 through logically i mean okay i i am not speaking a lot about this work because i would rather it had

00:32:30.820 never started no of course i think we're all in that same position and uh yeah i have said that i have

00:32:35.940 friends that i haven't uh spoken to you in a while due to this but i will say this that i mean obviously

00:32:43.140 whoever did it it's very unlikely that russia did it and that's not a justification for what russia is

00:32:51.220 doing not at all but you just don't destroy your own means of exerting influence upon the state upon

00:33:01.380 states like the eu states yes especially you just don't do this is yeah i mean some of the eu states

00:33:08.420 had already been complaining for a long time about russia dependence on russian natural resources because

00:33:14.420 of the fact that they saw russia as a potential aggressive state ever since 2014. yes but i mean

00:33:19.940 germany was basing in its entire economy on cheap russian gas puts them in a pretty vulnerable position

00:33:28.260 yes so i see no reason why russia would want to destroy that that pipeline especially because

00:33:35.460 again they could have just not not used to turn it off but that's the question why would they not

00:33:43.380 why would they turn it off because that the sanctions hadn't already taken place

00:33:49.700 the sanctions i think if i'm not radically mistaken just tell me well by by september certainly the

00:33:56.500 sanctions had already been i think the sanctions took place after the well right after the north

00:34:01.140 nordstrom thing but maybe i'm totally north stream 2 itself had never been in a position to deliver any

00:34:06.980 gas the infrastructure was complete but it hadn't been switched on it contained gas at the time of

00:34:11.700 the explosion which is why it released uh so much methane at the time there was lots of videos going

00:34:17.140 around of the surface of the water above it bubbling up which was the methane escaping but they'd never

00:34:22.420 actually used it to deliver any gas because by the time the infrastructure was completed the war had

00:34:27.220 begun and there was uh no that they they were not in a position to begin delivering that gas by the way

00:34:35.540 as i mentioned at the time there was a lot of fingers being pointed ukraine immediately accused russia

00:34:41.620 of causing leaks in two major gas pipelines which are described as a terrorist attack ukrainian

00:34:46.820 presidential advisor michael podeluk i don't i'm not going to pronounce these names correctly that's

00:34:53.460 a warning straight away i know how to pronounce putin and i know how to pronounce zelinski and that's

00:34:58.980 all i need uh he said that the damage to nordstrom one and two was an act of aggression toward the eu

00:35:05.380 he added that russia wanted to cause pre-war winter panic and urged the eu to increase military support

00:35:11.220 for ukraine he also tweeted in english saying gas leak from the ns1 nordstrom one is nothing more

00:35:17.300 than a terrorist attack planned by russia and an act of aggression toward the eu russia wants to

00:35:22.100 destabilize the economic situation in europe and cause pre-winter panic and as i mentioned europe at

00:35:28.340 the time and particular germany had become increasingly reliant on russian gas to meet its energy needs

00:35:34.740 wholesale prices of gas in europe after the nordstrom attack had more than doubled and that was after

00:35:40.740 also the time where um since the beginning of the war when the sanctions were enacted and since russia

00:35:45.780 had switched off some of the gas and natural resource supplies um that price doubled gas prices in the

00:35:51.860 uk if you all remember there was the worries at the end of 2022 whether grandma was going to

00:35:57.460 freeze to death because she wouldn't be able to afford it even though it imports no gas from russia

00:36:02.660 because the shortages has severely affected the international gas market that's why it affected us

00:36:07.460 before russia invaded ukraine as i mentioned germany relied on russia for 55 of its gas that was back

00:36:14.660 when this originally happened so what has been the developments since then well there have been quite

00:36:19.620 a few this is one catching us up a little bit towards the beginning of the year back in february of

00:36:25.060 2024 talking about what had gone on in the months and years since then and it says in here some us and

00:36:31.540 european officials initially suggested that moscow had blown up its own pipelines and interpretation

00:36:36.500 dismissed as idiotic by russian president vladimir putin instead putin blamed the anglo-saxons uh

00:36:42.740 which is the us and the uk without providing evidence he also blamed ukraine all three countries

00:36:48.660 deny any role the white house last year dismissed a blog post by a us investigative journalist alleging

00:36:54.100 that washington was behind the explosions as utterly false and complete fiction the us opened a new

00:37:00.420 tower um opens oh sorry uh the us and german media have reported that the yacht could have been sorry

00:37:07.460 there was reports of a particular yacht that the german investigation into this which is at the time

00:37:12.420 being right now still the only investigation that's ongoing all of the other international

00:37:17.700 investigations have stopped and concluded by now germany is still going with it obviously because it was

00:37:24.100 their resources that have been prevented from getting to them and it was part of their

00:37:29.300 infrastructure project and to begin with uh they reported that they found a yacht that could have

00:37:34.260 been used by a ukrainian or pro-ukrainian group citing leaked intelligence reports and people familiar

00:37:40.420 with official investigations kiev has repeatedly denied any involvement with this and goes on to give some

00:37:46.580 other information about the infrastructure project itself nordstrom 2 was fully owned by gazprom

00:37:52.100 um which is a russian company but western companies british shell germany's winter shawl d and uniper

00:38:00.260 and french enghi and austria's omv covered 50 of the pipeline's total construction costs of about 11

00:38:07.220 billion dollars sorry i have to make a quick correction to what i said before the nord stream pipeline

00:38:13.860 explosions occurred on september 26 2022 which was after several rounds of sanctions had been imposed on

00:38:20.820 russia so apologies for what i said before no absolutely thank you for clearing that up for

00:38:25.220 us uh there have been no plans announced since then to repair the damage in july of last year 2023

00:38:31.860 germany told the u.n security council that it had found traces of subsea explosives in a sailing yacht

00:38:36.500 that may have been used to transport the explosives this is the one that they've been investigating

00:38:40.260 germany has confirmed its investigators raided a ship identified by german media as the 50-foot

00:38:45.620 sailing yacht in january last year that may have been used to transport the explosives used to blow

00:38:50.660 up the pipelines the boat leased in germany via a poland registered company contained traces of octagon

00:38:56.740 the same explosive that was found at the underwater blast sites germany told the un that it was possible

00:39:02.180 for trained divers to attach explosives to the pipelines laying about 70 to 80 meters deep where the

00:39:07.700 explosions occurred because of course when it first happened there was wonder there was concern that it

00:39:12.340 might have just been a fault but then immediately after they found evidence that it was caused by

00:39:17.300 controlled explosions under the water so this was the yacht that seemingly whoever conducted that

00:39:22.660 operation had used to sail out to the waters to conduct it a day after the explosions on september 27

00:39:30.100 2022 german magazine der seigl wrote that the cia had warned germany in summer of 2022 about possible

00:39:38.100 attacks on baltic sea pipelines the washington post citing leaked information posted online wrote last

00:39:44.500 june that the united states learned of a ukrainian plan to attack the nordstrom natural gas pipelines

00:39:50.340 three months before they were damaged the intelligence report was based on information provided by a source

00:39:55.940 in ukraine the post said according to the cia adding that the cia had shared it with germany and other

00:40:03.140 european countries in june 2022 so judging by this information here if you were to believe the new um

00:40:09.700 the post the washington post's information they point to it being actually a operation conducted by

00:40:16.820 and with approval of ukraine which is quite a damning accusation but we'll carry on the dutch national

00:40:24.740 broadcaster nos reported the same month the tip came from the dutch military intelligence agency mivd

00:40:31.540 according to the post the cia relayed to zaluzny i think that's how you pronounce his name who was

00:40:37.620 the ukrainian commander-in-chief general at the time for an intermediary that the united states

00:40:44.900 opposed such an operation in november of last year the washington post reported that a man called roman

00:40:50.820 chavinsky a former intelligence official who served in the ukrainian military special forces managed the

00:40:56.580 six-person team but did not plan the attack he denied involvement the post said chavinsky

00:41:01.380 took orders from senior ukrainian officials who ultimately reported to commander-in-chief general

00:41:06.100 valerie zel terrible at these names zeluzny reuters was unable to verify the report independently

00:41:14.740 and zeluzny had made no public comment germany's del spiegel and zdf have said that a group of six

00:41:21.700 people five men and one woman boarded the uh yacht which was called andromeda in rostock germany on

00:41:27.940 september 6th using forged passports and returned to rostock on september 23rd the yacht was spotted

00:41:33.860 at a small danish island of cristiano near the explosion sites on september 16th to 18th and made

00:41:39.620 a short stop at marina at a marina in kolobzreg poland on september 19th before returning to

00:41:47.060 germany there was no evidence to suggest that poland was used to hope as a hub for the sabotage polish

00:41:51.940 prosecutors said last year so that's a lot of information there's a lot of information there and a lot of it is

00:41:56.660 coming from different sources and there is not any evidence really being presented to confirm any of it

00:42:03.060 other than anonymous sources and hearsay but what's been going on since then since february is that this

00:42:10.260 came out in the news as of yesterday wednesday the 14th of august 2024 germany has issued an arrest warrant

00:42:19.060 for a diver over the nordstrom blasts according to reports this was issued back in june and it's being

00:42:25.540 issued to a ukrainian man who was supposedly one of the team that planted explosives on pipelines

00:42:32.340 september in 2022 supposedly he may have been the man who had been driving a van that got them to the

00:42:38.020 yacht and there's information that he may have been snapshotted when speeding at 80 miles an hour in

00:42:42.900 poland i think and that's where they got his face very interesting they were going to enrich the pipeline

00:42:48.340 yes yes clearly do you have anything to add to all of this so far jess yeah i'm not a foreign policy

00:42:55.060 expert so and it is a lot of information so i do have a question like so is the accusation that it's

00:43:00.260 from the ukrainian government or is it just the ukrainian group that's um so far the the ukrainian

00:43:08.020 government as they would has been completely denying all of the accusations but the next article that we'll

00:43:15.300 look at in a moment from the wall street journal which came out today sorry yesterday but very late

00:43:20.820 yesterday after this initial report came out is saying that there may have been involvement by the

00:43:26.180 ukrainian government but that high-ups like zelinski were trying to prevent it from happening but that

00:43:32.180 essentially things had been put in motion that could not be taken out of motion by the time that they

00:43:38.100 were trying to halt the bombing now of course this is all again coming from anonymous sources the journal

00:43:43.940 has been speaking to and there's some information which doesn't seem to add up as far as i can tell

00:43:49.380 just giving a once and second look at the story as presented but we'll go through because this is in

00:43:56.660 this is important if it has ramifications for the ukrainian war effort and ramifications for how

00:44:02.660 trustworthy ukraine as an ally in the west is if they are willing and able to sabotage infrastructure that

00:44:09.620 is necessary for the well-being of other countries even if yes you can say rightfully so it was foolish

00:44:15.700 of germany and other european nations to be so reliant on russian natural resources yeah i don't think

00:44:22.580 it's really any surprise that like ukraine is denying this because of course they're going to deny the bad

00:44:27.540 thing but it just shows how even in something like the situation where germany and other european

00:44:34.100 countries have been so hospitable in funding um for ukraine that's something like this can happen

00:44:42.580 it's so eye-opening and the idea that you know we've been told that if we don't fund this war you

00:44:49.380 know it will come back to bite us you know russia is going to take over the uk next if they do go after

00:44:55.540 ukraine well this is already impacting us it's already impacting our our energy we do have to consider as

00:45:00.740 well that western elites do seem to have a real bloodthirsty streak against russia for whatever

00:45:06.020 reason i wouldn't speculate because there was the foreign affairs report from earlier this year as

00:45:11.620 well that was talking about the initial peace talks that were going on between russia and ukraine where

00:45:16.980 a lot seemed to be on the table that you wouldn't expect russia to put up there that seemed to have

00:45:21.540 been sabotaged partially by involvement of western leaders like boris johnson going in and telling

00:45:28.420 ukraine that no matter the circumstances the uk will fully support the war effort and also that

00:45:34.500 ukraine itself had been surprisingly successful in pushing back the initial russian attacks which gave

00:45:40.020 it the confidence to believe that could continue the war effort with western support i have two things

00:45:44.740 to add here so first of all it is very interesting that articles right like this one are being published

00:45:51.700 right now because i don't think that something like this would have been published a year ago

00:45:57.620 or no i agree so that's a good point it's really interesting that right now they are publishing

00:46:02.820 articles like this now in this next article there's reports that germans investigative team

00:46:09.780 were thinking that it might have been germany as early as november of 2022 i think this might have

00:46:15.380 something to do with the fact that the war in the middle east there seems to be some heating up going

00:46:20.180 on with iran so there might be some trying to pull back resources from ukraine and point them more in

00:46:26.180 the direction of the middle it's like kanye with taylor swift would say you know it's you may have won

00:46:31.380 an award but it's not your best award it's it's it's like you know it's not the best war that's the

00:46:37.700 issue yeah that's the issue but what is interesting is that right now they are publishing articles like

00:46:42.580 this and second i think that just you know my personal opinion we will never know because there's the

00:46:48.820 old saying that you know in war fraud and deception of virtues the sad thing so even if a particular

00:46:56.100 side has seemingly no reason to do something like sabotage that gives them an extra reason of doing

00:47:04.500 it because they're gonna create wreak havoc and upon the the other side but no these are these are just

00:47:12.740 the two sides i'm trying to think of no absolutely it's good to be just level-headed and look at both

00:47:18.020 sides i really don't think we will ever know but is it is interesting that articles like this

00:47:24.340 like these are being published because it seems to me that it is showing that people will

00:47:32.260 and politicians will ask for a ceasefire and i think that it's going to be a balance antebellum as

00:47:39.700 they say that it's it's going to stop wherever you know the russian borders are now and wherever

00:47:44.500 ukrainian borders are now i think that's where it's going but as far as the nordstrom thing i

00:47:49.620 don't think we'll ever know well still it's important to go over the information that we

00:47:53.860 have available to us now and we'll be able to you at home will be able to make your own mind up as to

00:47:59.060 how likely all of this does sound so going into this information the german authorities have issued an

00:48:05.780 arrest warrant for a ukrainian man on suspicion of being part of the team the man a driving

00:48:10.820 instructor identified only as and brace yourselves for this volodymyr zed i mean i'm sure i'm sure

00:48:21.460 that's a very common name and set of initials but that's quite interesting although of course i don't

00:48:27.060 i don't think zelinski is a driving instructor who was involved in all of this he was a comedian

00:48:32.500 wasn't he he was a comedian he was playing a driving instructor ah it all makes sense now

00:48:37.060 so he's last believed to have lived in poland and is alleged to have dived 80 meters to the seabed at

00:48:42.740 night to plant explosive devices on the pipelines which ran from russia to germany in september 2022

00:48:48.420 according to reports in two publications i'm not going to try to pronounce as well as the broadcaster

00:48:54.260 ard germany first asked poland to arrest the man in june but he is thought to have gone underground

00:48:58.980 according to security sources cited in the reports the german prosecutor general's office which has

00:49:04.020 been investigating the case even after denmark and sweden dropped their respective inquiries has

00:49:09.140 declined to comment polish authorities confirmed on wednesday that a european warrant for his arrest

00:49:14.260 has been received the national public prosecutor's office said in an email to the news agency afp

00:49:20.580 ultimately vladimir zed has not been detained as he left the territory of poland at the beginning of

00:49:25.860 july this year crossing the polish ukrainian border so if this is to believe um be believed this man has

00:49:31.780 returned to ukraine and ukraine does not extradite its own so there would be no chance of germany getting

00:49:37.620 hold of him unless he decided to leave ukraine for some reason which would be unlikely the media outlets

00:49:43.780 also identified another man and woman who are also ukrainian diving instructors as having allegedly

00:49:49.940 been involved in the attack though no further arrest warrants have been issued for them i need to

00:49:54.900 correct myself earlier vladimir zed was a diving instructor not driving instructor i misspoke

00:50:00.020 apologies i misread that despite evidence that he may have had the backing of high-ranking military

00:50:04.660 officials there's no suggestion that ukrainian president zelinski was aware of the attack or that

00:50:09.860 it was state sanctioned now that in itself is contradicted by this enormous washington post

00:50:15.620 article that purports to give the full story of what happened and says that it was funded by private

00:50:23.860 businessmen at a cost of around three hundred thousand dollars and was overseen by a top general that

00:50:30.660 would be general let me try and get his name right again zaluzny and president zelinski was actually aware of it

00:50:39.380 but unsuccessfully tried to call it off there was also the suggestion in this article that the idea was

00:50:44.900 come up with in may of 2022 and was the result of a excessive drinking session among senior ukrainian

00:50:54.580 military officers where somebody suggested destroying nordstream in response to the remarkable success that

00:51:03.780 ukraine had had at the time in halting the russian invasion this seems to be a very strange and unlikely

00:51:11.620 circumstance to come up with such a an idea that then gets followed through as well so that's that's

00:51:19.860 very strange to begin with so uh again it goes on to say it cost around three hundred thousand dollars

00:51:26.020 it involves a small rented yacht that would be the andromeda with a six-member crew including

00:51:30.580 trained civilian divers one was a woman whose presence helped to create the illusion that they

00:51:35.220 were a group of friends on a pleasure cruise ukrainian president vladimir zelensky initially

00:51:39.940 improved the plan according to one officer who participated and three people familiar with it

00:51:45.780 because the journal say that they spoke to four senior ukrainian defense and security officials who

00:51:50.900 either participated in or had direct knowledge of the plot all of them said the pipelines were a

00:51:55.620 legitimate target in ukraine's war defense against russia i do not know why these people would have

00:52:01.460 chosen to speak to the journal about it perhaps it's been playing on their conscience so much or perhaps

00:52:07.540 they were at a excessive drinking session and decided to spill the beans on such an operation so

00:52:13.140 perhaps there's been some leaks from the inside um but either way according to this information the cia

00:52:19.460 learned of it and asked the ukrainian president to pull the plug he ordered a halt these people said

00:52:25.700 zelensky's commander-in-chief zeluzny was leading the effort and nonetheless forged ahead why he would

00:52:32.100 choose to do that against direct orders i don't know the dutch military intelligence agency that was

00:52:37.140 noted in the other articles mivd learned of the plot warned the cia not germany they went to the cia

00:52:43.380 instead according to several people familiar with the dutch report and then the us informed

00:52:48.500 germany which seems like a roundabout way of going about it when the us and the dutch are in

00:52:54.740 allies with germany very strange portions of the account given to the journal were corroborated by

00:53:01.220 an early two-year german police investigation into the attack now if we're going to believe

00:53:05.700 any of the information that's been presented regarding this i would say that the two-year german

00:53:10.260 police investigation is probably the most trustworthy one and not just a four random senior

00:53:17.860 officials who decided to speak to the journal about such a thing especially given that the

00:53:22.740 two-year german police investigation has in the end resulted in the issue of a warrant an arrest warrant

00:53:29.300 for a man i don't know it's just it seems to me that it's all top down in this case and uh the fact

00:53:36.260 that they are publishing it suggests that they want to push forward the narrative of ceasefire yeah it's a

00:53:42.020 narrative shift uh especially if trump ends up getting in trump wants to pull us support away from

00:53:51.460 the ukrainian effort he said as much he wants at least he says he says so uh but i do actually trust

00:53:58.100 trump on such things more than i trust most of the politicians when they say certain things and also

00:54:04.500 there's worries within the eu themselves where somebody like macron has been saying that they

00:54:10.740 basically need to lessen their reliance on the us for military defense support and be able to build

00:54:16.180 up their own army in case of russian aggression and they're not in a position to do that if this

00:54:21.460 war carries on and they still have to continue ramping up support for ukraine so there's a few

00:54:26.420 different avenues that you could say yes they want to wind this thing down but carrying on they say

00:54:32.340 that the german investigators questioned dozens of potential witnesses scanned the bottom of the sea

00:54:36.620 around the blast and sifted through masses of data including digital communication travel records and

00:54:41.240 financial transactions they uh had one lucky break supposedly and rushing to leave germany the

00:54:46.920 sabotage crew neglected to wash the andromeda which gave the german detectives traces of explosive

00:54:52.980 fingerprints and dna samples from the crew which i assume has all been part of why they were able to

00:54:58.760 issue this arrest warrant according to people familiar with the investigation of van driving

00:55:03.100 the ukrainian sabotage team from poland into germany in 2022 was snapped by a german speed camera

00:55:07.840 and the man the diving instructor was in the photo authorities in poland didn't act on the warrant and as we

00:55:14.800 mentioned before he's ended up going into ukraine where they will not be able to extradite him

00:55:20.100 regarding general zeluzny he's now ukraine's ambassador to the united kingdom supposedly zelensky

00:55:27.800 chewed him out after this whole thing and demoted him and he took this position instead although this

00:55:34.300 position as an ambassador means that he is uh he's got immunity on any charges so if anything did end

00:55:40.120 up coming back to him according to these reports according to these arrest warrants he's bloody hell

00:55:45.000 apologies he's not able to be charged for anything anyway because he's got immunity supposedly he was

00:55:51.820 commanding the operation enlisted ukraine's top special operations officers and then which included

00:55:58.500 roman chavinsky which is one of the names that was mentioned in the nordstream article and reported on by

00:56:03.580 the washington post and when they tried to call it off um the things were already in motion so they

00:56:09.920 couldn't call it off so chavinsky interestingly is currently on trial in ukraine for unrelated charges

00:56:15.920 in july he was released on bail after over a year in detention he declined to comment on this case

00:56:21.960 after people tried to get in touch with him about it but in a subsequent broadcast interview he said

00:56:26.640 that the sabotage had two positive effects for ukraine helped loosen russia's grip on the european

00:56:31.700 supporting kiev and left moscow with only one main avenue for channeling gas to europe pipelines

00:56:37.860 traversing ukraine despite the war supposedly ukraine collects lucrative transit fees for russian oil

00:56:43.880 and gas estimated to be worth hundreds of million dollars a year now that was not something i'm aware

00:56:48.640 of you can verify that in the comments if you'd like earlier this year as it mentions zelinski ousted

00:56:55.100 zeluzny from his military post and now he's the ambassador ukrainian officials according to this

00:57:00.080 article who participated in or are familiar with the plot believe that it would be impossible to put any

00:57:04.720 of the commanding officers on trial because no evidence exists beyond conversations among the top

00:57:09.560 officials who were at least initially in this drunken session where they came up with the plan

00:57:14.460 to commit mass sabotage against one of their own allies all in agreement about wanting to blow up the

00:57:19.440 pipelines none of them will testify lest they incriminate themselves so i'm with you on this

00:57:24.920 that this information is all uh very revealing but also slightly unverifiable and is in the in the

00:57:33.620 interest of pushing the narrative in a particular direction changing course so to speak with the

00:57:39.580 russia ukraine conflict as it stands right now especially convenient given that nobody involved

00:57:46.040 with it is in any way touchable by western legal systems and being able to be brought to justice in

00:57:53.560 front of a court where a lot more information would be brought out and we could truly verify how true any

00:57:58.920 of this is also another thing it's fantastical to me that if any of this was true that the u.s would

00:58:07.020 not be able to put a stop to it if they were really not in favor of this going ahead it's remarkable to

00:58:13.720 the idea that the u.s would just say no don't do that and not do anything to put a stop to it if this

00:58:20.760 really was an act of sabotage i wouldn't be surprised if the u.s was involved but again we don't know all of

00:58:27.820 these reports have a lot of loose ends that can't be tied we don't know but if that's the case

00:58:33.140 then they may publish our articles of the sort in order to make the ukrainians get all the blame

00:58:41.320 so they can tell them we can we can end the war right now and you're not gonna have anything

00:58:49.120 any other ground back

00:58:50.800 sorry repeat that for a moment if that's the case yep and there is involvement from the other side of

00:58:59.460 the atlantic then there is interest in publishing this these articles in order to make ukrainians

00:59:08.860 take a hundred percent of the blame oh yes that's what i said absolutely if that's the case that's a

00:59:13.500 conditional yes so there's a lot up in the air about this and i am in the agreement that unless

00:59:18.580 any of these people are able to be miraculously extradited and put before a court where we can

00:59:25.240 get them giving information telling the truth of what happened in their own involvement and not just

00:59:30.400 anonymous reports being given by the journal and other news sources then it's very difficult to tell

00:59:35.980 what happened but i do think that the official narratives certainly that we were given to begin

00:59:40.600 with that it was all to do with russia i think are unlikely but with that let's carry on great so

00:59:47.280 we're all aware of humzy youssef uh the anti-white racist first minister former first minister of

00:59:53.920 scotland uh well now he just spends his time i was scrolling through his twitter now he just spends his

01:00:00.120 time complaining about the issue in gaza not really representing the people he's meant to represent in

01:00:05.900 scotland but he decided to jump on the elon musk anti-elon musk bandwagon uh in this insightful

01:00:12.980 video on cnn again representing the people of scotland in cnn apparently uh he has of course in

01:00:20.240 the past said that muslims are a fifth column in the uk he's on about people in the uk he has said

01:00:26.500 that migrants are coming here to take us over he started the general election campaign by saying

01:00:32.720 many muslims do not share british values if there is a dog whistle to be blown then nigel farage will

01:00:41.500 always be at the very front of the queue as for elon musk he is one of i would suggest one of the most

01:00:48.160 dangerous men on the planet he uses his billions he is unaccountable to anyone to amplify far-right

01:00:56.860 white supremacist ideology he has as you have rightly said uh suggested i think instinct is

01:01:03.320 hoping for civil war in some parts of europe including in the uk and instead of using x as a

01:01:12.120 platform for good and using his enormous wealth for good he is using it i think for the most wicked

01:01:18.080 evil possible and in terms of so i'll just pause it there i think it relates to what you were saying

01:01:24.540 stelios about the the globalists having this narrative about elon musk wanting civil war and

01:01:30.400 how he's perpetuating this white supremacist narrative it's absolute nonsense saying that

01:01:35.900 he's using twitter for his wicked means for using it the most wicked evil means possible that's

01:01:43.140 absolutely ridiculous what do you two make of it i think it's funny that the first things he was

01:01:47.300 saying about what nigel farage said he didn't provide any sort of rebuttal or evidence against what

01:01:51.940 farage was saying he was doing the the point and sputter mode of argumentation can you believe he

01:01:57.500 said that that's this that's the knitting circle level of argumentation oh can you believe that doris

01:02:03.340 did this reason oh and also the comparison between humzy yousef unelected humzy yousef who uh the snp

01:02:12.120 massively gained because of first pass of the post compared to nigel farage and reform uk who get so

01:02:17.500 much of the popular vote nigel farage is probably the most popular politician in the uk comparing

01:02:23.620 those two together it's an absolute joke what do you think stelios well first of all i hope you don't

01:02:30.380 have a grudge against harry and myself because you showed us 62 seconds of humzy yousef talking but at

01:02:36.240 least you spared us the other 19 seconds so i think that basically it's just he is just a race beta

01:02:43.240 and he claims to talk about the scottish and he claims to talk about western values and british

01:02:49.840 values uh last time i checked lamenting that scotland is predominantly white isn't a british value

01:02:58.900 maybe maybe at some point when nycophobia really kicked in it left his universities yeah the bastions

01:03:07.360 of western culture you know it's just not and i completely agree with you he was unelected

01:03:13.380 and uh he was he put forward one of the worst hate speech laws it's just things i'm not to be proud of

01:03:20.960 and definitely things that are not that are not good for for society i mean he hasn't helped society

01:03:28.040 and he's just blaming people who are criticizing him like elon musk yeah absolutely so elon musk

01:03:33.940 fired back at this um in a response i think it was to that video itself i love white white i love how

01:03:43.000 he utilizes twitter he's not just like going on a rampage on cnn like it comes a use of this it's

01:03:48.720 just in the tweets i think this is an example of elon musk being a man of the people many such cases

01:03:54.260 so in this tweet he says he is super super racist scotland gave him everything and yet he loves white

01:04:01.220 people this is obvious because he has never complained about any race of any other country's

01:04:07.100 leadership there are over 200 countries in the world most of whom have single race leadership

01:04:12.780 why is he only attacking scotland i would say because he he hates white people and the scottish

01:04:18.940 people in particular i mean it's funny that he wears the fact that he's got a scottish accent

01:04:24.280 as a skin suit for scottish identity it was an interview that i saw with him recently where he

01:04:30.680 was saying that oh cut me open and i'm as scottish as they come well the fact is historically the

01:04:36.980 scottish have not had family in the levant as far as i'm aware that's not something that most scots

01:04:43.120 lay claim to except maybe come the time of the empire so uh that's very strange i i suggested as

01:04:50.000 well on twitter that um in the west we don't actually have to be so barbaric to test how scottish

01:04:55.080 you are you can actually get 23 and me test spit into a tube and we can find out just how scottish

01:05:00.740 you are very easily i i think elon musk is right he's he's just super racist and a race better but

01:05:06.800 on his last question why is he only attacking scotland i think he attacks scotland because he was

01:05:12.660 in the scottish parliament but his ideologies isn't just contained for scotland because if he's

01:05:21.360 talking about things in terms of whiteness yeah whiteness is also something that exists outside

01:05:27.100 scotland i think there's also another layer of evil i i reject racism is bad i don't i don't condone

01:05:35.520 racism obviously but i think it goes above that i don't just want to use the leftist framework of

01:05:41.520 saying everything is racist i think there's something uniquely evil of saying a country is

01:05:46.300 bad because it holds an ethnicity of the native population i think that's an absolutely ridiculous

01:05:51.460 framework to go by it is but it's also dangerous yeah absolutely so for all those who haven't seen

01:05:59.560 this sorry to subject you to more oh this is the best clip he's ever done except the one where he

01:06:04.340 falls off the scooter every high court judge white lord advocate white the solicitor general white

01:06:10.960 the chief constable white every deputy chief constable white every assistant chief constable

01:06:16.820 white and it just goes on like that for another 44 seconds which i won't subject i'm still waiting

01:06:22.860 for a debate between him and jared taylor i'd love to see who pronounces the white better

01:06:27.620 that's a good point so after elon musk responded to this humzy yousef decided to make a make a thing

01:06:35.240 out of this of course because he has nothing better to do apparently um and he calls elon musk a

01:06:41.380 dangerous race baiter who must be held accountable for his actions projection projection all leftism is

01:06:48.400 projection i can't think of what upsets him so much about a brown muslim progressive politician

01:06:54.620 but his billions won't stop me calling out his support for the far right well i mean that's what

01:07:01.820 upsets everyone that if you disagree with progressivism and you're immediately branded

01:07:07.820 far right yeah why i love that also that's the thing though they call themselves progressive but

01:07:15.140 that's no progress oh it's a very regressive state of mind yeah isn't it i was just gonna say i love

01:07:22.200 how that's what he thinks elon musk's concern is that he's a brown muslim progressive politician not

01:07:28.140 that he just hates white people yeah again it's the it's what you're talking about with narcissism

01:07:33.400 and globalism he can't actually visualize realize the actual criticism so it must be because of his

01:07:40.920 identity something that he can say well you know there is nothing wrong with being a brown muslim

01:07:46.020 progressive well maybe progressive maybe politician but there is nothing wrong with being a brown muslim

01:07:51.140 so that must be the complaint itself i think that's just so telling well again into whether or not

01:07:57.720 he says it out loud humza yusuf has very clearly positioned himself at the head of a sectarian

01:08:02.640 conflict within uh scotland which uh is going on across all of europe which is that all of these

01:08:08.720 foreign nationals will come to our nations and then say uh we're supposed to accept that they're going

01:08:14.420 to integrate and then they form enclaves don't integrate and then decide that they're only about

01:08:19.400 their own group's interest his group conflict humza yusuf has positioned himself explicitly

01:08:25.000 as part of a separate group and will only ever affect scottish identity when it suits him because

01:08:31.820 oh i speak in a scottish accent don't you know well i'm actually one-fifth scottish i would never call

01:08:38.720 myself scottish because i'm english but i'm far more scottish i'm a thousand times more scottish than

01:08:47.560 humza yusuf could ever claim to be absolutely i don't know i've not checked this but when i was

01:08:53.960 scrolling through his twitter i couldn't find anything did he say anything about the south

01:08:57.680 port stabbing other than like condemning the far right uh not that i can recall i don't think it

01:09:03.520 was something that registered as a blip on his radar yeah because when i was scrolling through all

01:09:07.480 i literally could see is the far right and also the situation in gaza again the the concerns of the

01:09:13.500 scottish people i'm sure are being represented with that but that's the university that's the

01:09:18.820 left it's the reverse of um the doctrine that says that whenever you have internal problems you

01:09:25.080 externalize them for instance by foreign aggression where that's whenever the country doesn't have

01:09:32.060 problems they internalize external problems yeah that's it because it's like nina turner would

01:09:38.280 saying unless there is palestinian liberation there's no black liberation there's nothing liberation

01:09:43.380 it's the doctrine of the globalist unless i get everything i have nothing and it's relating to

01:09:49.480 the idea of being oppressed as well which he relates more to the idea of being oppressed relating

01:09:54.920 to the gazans than actually of the scottish people who i don't know whether he'd overtly say it but he

01:10:01.340 does see as the oppressors at the end of the day so i wanted to actually look at all the white supremacy

01:10:07.720 all the bigotry elon musk is promoting and actually see how he does represent you know i wouldn't say

01:10:14.120 he's representing a specific coalition but you can tell he's just so much more relatable than the

01:10:19.180 average politician nowadays so again raising awareness about a free speech issue um going on

01:10:26.980 in the uk um saying it's messed up just raising general awareness towards that sharing memes obviously

01:10:33.380 um very relatable uh method of communication nowadays again raising awareness of the fact that

01:10:42.180 of the consequences of mass immigration in the uk just something simple like that

01:10:48.000 and again the two-tier justice problem has that humzy yousef said you showed me you showed me a clip

01:10:55.280 of humzy yousef talking and now you're showing me angela rayner's face what are you putting me through jess

01:11:00.940 comparing this to what humzy yousef is talking about um i think it's just such a such a difference

01:11:09.620 i won't play the clip again but of him saying everything every position in scotland is white

01:11:15.700 is an issue i think that's just absolutely ridiculous a politician is saying that and i'm

01:11:20.320 in a in a common sense country he would have been he would have had to resign at that spot

01:11:26.360 saying that's a negative thing is absolutely ridiculous and i i think just comparing what

01:11:33.380 elon musk was saying comparing the attention he's been raising about the issues in the uk and not

01:11:38.500 just in the uk going through his time like he's talking about what's happening in venezuela for

01:11:42.940 example he's just overall representing the issues that actually relate to the people well i i've i've

01:11:49.360 i've said this it was in it was interesting that uh elon musk recently responded to somebody who

01:11:54.760 thought he was a descendant of dutch africaners from south africa that he said his ancestry was

01:12:00.600 actually of the british in south africa so by ancestry elon musk again is far more british than

01:12:08.360 humzy yousef yeah could ever hope to be and i i do consider i do wonder if that's got anything to do

01:12:14.000 with why it is that he's been highlighting what's been going on in britain in particular because it seems

01:12:19.000 to have been something in particular that he has been interested in highlighting and sharing and

01:12:24.280 sharing about amongst his followers because i i wonder if there is some sort of uh sentimentality

01:12:29.720 that goes that goes back there seeing what he could consider his homeland uh being tyrannized in such a

01:12:35.460 way yeah that's a good point speaking of um venezuela and elon musk i sent uh a tweet to samson maybe

01:12:45.080 samson we could show it because it's really funny speaking of the relatability

01:12:49.560 i don't know if samson can play it i sent it to him and and this this was an interesting clip that

01:12:56.900 you've got up here as well that i watched at the time i was going to bring it up actually which is

01:13:01.660 that the only thing that i did see in response to the southport was this where he's saying maybe it's

01:13:06.780 not safe for me anymore maybe i shouldn't be here well that's very nice for you to say if you'd like to

01:13:11.500 return to pakistan where you can you know be amongst other pakistanis uh the fact is the british

01:13:18.220 if our country goes to absolute pot we don't have anywhere else to go you could say go to one of the

01:13:23.320 other anglosphere countries but in canada they're being inundated and flooded with mass immigration

01:13:29.500 particularly from india and in australia as well i've not been to us have you been to australia

01:13:36.500 well a lot of people are going to australia some of my friends have been to australia

01:13:41.300 and even there though again mass migration is knocking on their door and all of a sudden anglos

01:13:46.720 are becoming less and less the majority of people who are traveling over there somebody pointed the

01:13:51.480 statistics to me and again for some reason is indians overtaking them when india has such a massive

01:13:57.860 excess of population and they can just go you know what we don't want to have to look after you

01:14:03.060 anymore go poo on other nations beaches instead of derailing our trains we have this here thank you

01:14:09.520 samson this this is by the way what ian miles chong writes is false but uh in another video maduro did

01:14:16.660 talk about elon musk and shutting down twitter and having a personal beef with maduro and he's

01:14:22.920 writing to him i'm coming for you maduro i will carry you to gitmo on a donkey

01:14:27.880 yeah but to what you said about relatability i don't think of it in terms of relatability because

01:14:35.620 you could say that there are a lot of relatable people a lot of popular people who can use the

01:14:40.720 power and reach for for bad it it just seems to me that he's just using it for good at the moment

01:14:47.820 because someone in his position could easily just start using all this reach that twitter has for bad

01:14:53.940 it's not suddenly that you know anything he does by default is going to be good no but i think that

01:15:00.400 in very key issues right now he's taking the right stance he's well it all depends on the quality and

01:15:09.360 morality and principles of the person who ends up within that position of power and again i do think

01:15:14.360 elon musk has a lot more leeway to do such things when he is so rich and also he is so intertwined with

01:15:22.300 the with the u.s government with all of his different company contracts as well that gives

01:15:26.740 him a lot more free reign than most of us would have yeah i think it's good to be distrustful of

01:15:32.420 position people in positions of power but even if elon musk was like retweeting and posting you know

01:15:38.400 leftist identity politics drivel the fact that twitter is such an open platform where anyone can give

01:15:45.200 their opinion is so useful compared to something like the mainstream media where you are it's just top

01:15:50.060 down you are being you know given a narrative i i think you know it's such a such a blessing and

01:15:55.280 such a benefit but to go back on i'm gonna have to burden you all with a bit more of uh

01:16:01.540 of humzy yusuf just so the the audience can can understand um what has the last week felt like

01:16:08.540 it's felt utterly horrendous it it is a strange feeling john when your very sense of belonging

01:16:15.480 is questioned look i am as you've said in the introduction i'm i'm about as scottish as they

01:16:20.780 come oh this is the born in scotland raised in scotland educated scotland just welcomed my third

01:16:25.920 child uh here uh in scotland was the leader of uh the scottish government uh for for just over a year

01:16:32.860 leader of the scottish national party you cut me open and i'm i'm as bit as scottish as you come

01:16:38.280 but the truth of the matter is i don't know whether the future for me and my wife and my

01:16:45.500 three children is going to be here in scotland or the united kingdom or indeed in europe so he says

01:16:51.760 about i mean if he needs any help paying for the ticket out of here i'm happy to set up a fundraiser

01:16:56.780 i'm sure many people would would support that but it was just interesting the the ways he was

01:17:02.600 listing he was scottish that he was raised in scotland that he i think he said born in scotland

01:17:07.420 educating in scotland he had political office in scotland not descended from scottish people

01:17:13.700 though but also just even if you want to take like a civic nationalist perspective it's like

01:17:18.920 he doesn't talk about the communities he doesn't talk about anything relatable about scottish culture

01:17:24.180 scottish history as far as i know he's never drank an entire bottle of book fast in one gulp so he can't

01:17:30.140 be that scottish and then got into a fight with people i have so again far more scottish

01:17:37.400 but i think that just shows how superficial this is he's been given an education he's been born here

01:17:43.900 what has that actually got to do with the scottish people and if you go to somewhere like white chapel

01:17:48.920 in london or in reading there's a place called oxford road uh i live in reading at the moment so i'm

01:17:54.920 very familiar with that with the signs are no longer in english there's a massive mosque it just

01:18:00.240 doesn't feel like england it doesn't feel like historical reading it's the same when you go up

01:18:06.100 to somewhere like preston there's there's enormous mosques in the middle of roundabouts or just off of

01:18:11.120 roundabouts that are very very central to the city you go there and you think this was a center of the

01:18:17.160 industrial revolution i don't think they were building mosques and so you can have someone who was born in

01:18:22.640 this country raised in this country had an education has a job and still not you know have any of the

01:18:29.920 values any of the actual british values of this country because there have been these parallel

01:18:35.500 communities being created but also on the issue of i don't know if my children will be safe in the uk

01:18:41.240 because the rise of the far right well children aren't safe in the uk as we've seen by the stabbing

01:18:47.920 by the self-port stabbing these are the real victims which um humzy yousef hasn't paid any

01:18:53.460 compliments to and he's not he's not paid any attention to why aren't why isn't someone who

01:18:58.780 represents a part of the uk why isn't he representing that why isn't he talking about that and again i

01:19:04.640 think that shows that um loyalty i think it's very telling when people are focusing on instead of the

01:19:10.140 actual tragedy of three young girls being stabbed and killed when they're focusing on the so-called far

01:19:16.840 right riots instead of the actual tragedy i think that's just so telling yeah and also uh this is

01:19:24.320 a tragedy but it wasn't the only tragedy yeah even the previous two weeks there were other kids who

01:19:31.280 died yeah absolutely i think in hackney one died i did a segment about it that was the leicester square

01:19:36.980 stabbing the other day by a romanian yeah and it's just so sad like like i said i live in reading i go

01:19:43.160 outside i'm five minutes away from four gardens where an immigrant stabbed a load of people and

01:19:49.780 i think they died after that i'm from manchester how are you from there right i'm greater manchester

01:19:55.900 i'm from cheshire yeah and my cousin people in my class went to the manchester arena um the arena

01:20:04.220 grande concert a friend of mine was there at the time when that happened she was attending the concert

01:20:09.540 one of my friends who i was going to university with um actually worked in the stands at the time

01:20:15.960 and just happened to be off that day and of course the explosion happened in the refreshments area near

01:20:21.760 the stand so if he hadn't been off that day who knows what could have happened he could have been

01:20:25.520 caught in that yeah and my friend had she had to take years of therapy to be able to overcome that

01:20:32.640 it's very strange i was there the day after in manchester i assume you were as well

01:20:37.400 i wasn't there i was at school oh you were at school well i went to university the day after

01:20:42.020 and it was a very strange and unusual feeling to be uh coming out of piccadilly um piccadilly

01:20:48.460 piccadilly station and there being armed special forces police officers patrolling the streets it was a

01:20:55.400 feeling unlike any that i'd ever had and that was my first real taste of multicultural britain showing its

01:21:03.040 real face and to see the the mural there in the station i think it's victoria station to see the

01:21:10.080 faces off the young girls who were killed in that attack it's just so heartbreaking to see you want

01:21:15.960 to talk about safety of children in the uk talk about the grooming gangs there's so many instances

01:21:21.280 where young people and just people in general have been hurt because of the impacts of mass immigration and

01:21:27.280 humzy yusuf won't mention that it's just so depressing to see but i won't end this on such

01:21:33.360 again it hurts his own sectarian interests to address such things and i'll just leave it on this note

01:21:39.580 because i don't want to focus too much on the sadness i want to talk about the actual policy

01:21:43.780 um this is a recent thing um robert jenrich recently created a video showing all the negatives off the

01:21:51.160 and he talks about angela rayner scrapping plans to limit social housing applicants for long-term

01:21:57.800 british residents i think it says um and humzy yusuf responded migrants prioritized for council houses

01:22:05.960 10 days after far-right thugs try to set fire to hotel reportedly housing asylum seekers robert jenrich

01:22:12.400 comes away with a howler of a dog whistle absolutely shameful he isn't fit for public office

01:22:17.340 let alone leading opposition again talk about being fit for public public office i don't think

01:22:23.300 humzy yusuf is one to speak but again the idea that prioritizing british people is seen as a far-right

01:22:29.980 dog whistle is absolutely ridiculous well uh as far as i can tell far-right just means white working

01:22:39.500 class as carl has continually said so if you do anything against the white working class like

01:22:45.540 prioritizing migrants for council houses and somebody says i don't want that well then that's

01:22:51.140 far-right yeah it is crazy and just to bring up the statistics i think it's like almost half of social

01:22:57.660 housing in london is headed by someone non-for uh who is foreign born well if you break down the

01:23:05.680 population statistics for instance um into different ethnic groups so somalians in london i believe um the

01:23:12.600 last statistics that i saw were that 72 percent of somalians in london are in social housing so

01:23:18.700 they're a real boon for the economy down there i hope the pret is worth it westminster it's absolutely

01:23:25.260 ridiculous when you think of social housing i mean you can have your issues with social housing in

01:23:31.580 general as libertarian i certainly do but the idea is at least there's some justification of you know

01:23:37.960 our descendants our ancestors our parents and grandparents you know fought for this country

01:23:42.860 they've contributed so much this country and have a safety net at least there's some justification with

01:23:48.560 that whereas people who haven't contributed anything to this country economically and might i dare say

01:23:54.620 culturally as well in terms of community to get the benefits off that it's it's shameful to say and you

01:24:02.020 can't have a conversation about that according to humzy yousef so i think that just shows this segment

01:24:07.760 just shows that he isn't for the british people he isn't for the scottish people no of course not and

01:24:12.940 on that uh let's go over to the video comments samson we've not got anything on the schedule for the rest

01:24:18.780 of the day so do you mind if we extend this yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna say that we're gonna extend this

01:24:26.880 maybe to 22 or even quarter to if we run on okay that's my executive decision and i want to thank

01:24:34.440 our audience for sending us cringy videos occasionally stelios is the cringe connoisseur

01:24:40.260 oh yes yeah episode a thousand only a few weeks away uh we're going to be uh yeah reacting to all

01:24:54.500 sorts and stelios is going to be giddy thrilled like a child who's just got on a sugar high and

01:24:59.120 been handed more ice cream yeah yes in regards to surveys and honest answers i used to get political

01:25:07.040 pollsters calling me a lot in 2018 i considered how before the call it said this call may be recorded

01:25:13.260 for quality assurance purposes i asked if we were being recorded and i was told yes i asked not to

01:25:19.180 record it but to freely ask questions instead she said oh and hung up since then i've never been

01:25:25.480 called be careful what you tell these people only 39 of brits approve a sure well yeah that is always

01:25:34.600 the question are they answering honestly to protect their own interests and maybe protect their own

01:25:41.060 well-being and family if those calls are being recorded like if that call is being recorded and

01:25:45.500 you're speaking to a pollster and they say oh would uh do you approve of violence being committed

01:25:50.180 in uh response to immigration uh you might worry about what happens if you say yes so the fact that

01:25:56.460 39 still said yes is uh it's very very very telling not that i would ever support violence in such causes

01:26:05.120 and now a moment of american political levity the harris waltz campaign should be called the

01:26:14.060 moby dick campaign given that both candidates has swallowed a lot of semen this will be the first

01:26:20.900 time in kamala harris's long and storied career that she has advanced because a man has pulled out

01:26:26.460 in the immortal words of willie brown kamala harris has the nicest what nicest white teeth i've ever

01:26:32.720 come across

01:26:33.320 dirty bastard

01:26:36.920 that was quite that was quite funny have we got any more samson

01:26:41.680 that that was literally it we had one very serious one and then a load of cum jokes

01:26:48.320 well that i think that quite sums up the lotus ethers podcast so with that let's go to the written comments

01:26:55.520 i'll read this first one

01:26:56.560 colin thompson harry lowering himself down to the other hosts level is another example of the fall

01:27:02.620 of the west and lowering of chair i mean standards well yeah um i wanted to be nice i wanted to give

01:27:08.860 something back to the short community being a representative of the tall community surrounded by

01:27:14.320 short asses constantly would we all like to how far up is your seat so how is it all the way up let's

01:27:20.520 let's do a test a stellio put your seat all the way up go on all right okay there you go let's

01:27:29.140 everybody see okay so here's how to and then here's me there you go so that's a bit more accurate

01:27:36.220 although i'd say i'm mainly leg heavy so there we go and you can all return now although i might

01:27:41.800 i might i might keep this position and stay like this for the assertion of dominance

01:27:47.480 samson is my head out of frame

01:27:49.420 i'm a couple of pixels away i'm just gonna there we go there you go everybody is everybody happy now

01:27:57.580 okay i'm gonna be gonna be not i might no i'm not gonna stand up no i'm not the real slim shady

01:28:02.960 um do you want to read some of your comments delios omar awad the caa invented the term

01:28:10.020 conspiracy theory to discredit whistleblowers i feel that criminalizing speculators

01:28:15.660 i've thrown everyone off balance now to minimize damage from exposed truth only the media is allowed

01:28:21.380 to report unverified information without consequence i think that's an interesting point

01:28:27.100 yeah i mean the the left spread all sorts of insane conspiracy theories constantly and they get

01:28:32.980 no pushback from it from security services whatsoever i i still find it remarkable you know

01:28:39.560 that absolute awful fetid gremlin james o'brien yes yeah so sad to remind you of him he wrote a book

01:28:48.100 recently that came out called something like how they how they ruined britain and i decided to pick

01:28:54.260 it up in the shop and oh it's all the usual suspects the left go on about in particular

01:29:00.960 can you guess who can you guess who james o'brien would say is one of the big culprits who ruined

01:29:06.340 britain who the left constantly talk about who does owen jones go on about in britain yeah

01:29:11.580 rude uh rupert murdoch ah the murdoch media has destroyed britain rupert murdoch who is

01:29:22.060 i don't know the center rightist at most who is what just one of the few people who allows publication of

01:29:30.040 um immigration discussion that isn't glowingly positive this destroys britain so

01:29:36.320 you know that's a conspiracy theory all its own right so we have a name that i can't pronounce

01:29:42.340 a-o-i-f-e-n-i-a-m-h don't know if you can pronounce it if it's an old

01:29:48.860 i feel like this is probably some like old english or anglo-saxon right something this may be a name

01:29:58.940 from beowulf i'm sorry in english i'd go further and say the left a malignant narcissist they're

01:30:05.000 willing to harm or even kill opponents in the past they have done so so it's f and neve

01:30:13.060 oh okay all right okay bold eagle 1787 something gaelic doesn't matter if police are against the

01:30:19.700 thought crime laws if they enforce them then they're just guilty as the government and show

01:30:24.420 how unqualified they are to even be police officers thanks scotty of swindon in relation

01:30:29.820 to aoc the best thing to come out of that was the babylon b headline it is more important to be

01:30:36.200 morally correct than factually correct claims woman who is neither yeah true right kevin fox with all

01:30:43.360 these hate speech laws focusing on online harm i think it's time to buy shares in vpn companies

01:30:48.640 because their shares are going to start climbing faster than uk immigration figures

01:30:53.600 and um jess autism yeah there's a there's a new commenter called jess's autism any comment on that

01:31:04.240 as in the name is jess's autism they've called they've called themselves jess's autism we have

01:31:10.880 some who are changing their names and yes they're basically saying that we are i've been a number

01:31:15.700 what there have been a number of ones of uh me eating kfc buckets while josh looks on in disgust

01:31:21.820 things of such a nature any comment on your autism i mean i've been tested twice maybe maybe third

01:31:28.020 times the charm third times the charm then you might become full-time here yeah so i think this

01:31:33.520 is less of a conspiracy and more of the alignment of interests for those in power to have their power

01:31:38.880 unchecked and unquestioned absolutely the internet allows for both a greater ability to scrutinize and a

01:31:44.900 greater ability to censor and in this we have to as always be eternally vigilant i couldn't agree

01:31:50.380 with you more derek power so when is alex garland going to be charged with inciting violence with

01:31:57.060 making civil war oh wait he won't because it's stupid play stupid games to win stupid prizes

01:32:03.100 and captain charlie the biggle what's crazy about the hate speech law in ireland is that the worst of

01:32:08.600 it was repealed in 1967 now the same people that bemoaned the previous censorship and blamed the

01:32:14.780 church wrongly are eager to bring it back the difference it serves their political goals and

01:32:20.980 as such theirs is the correct version of it that's a sad truth yes and we'll go on to my comments now

01:32:29.260 then scotty of swindon i hope you're having a good day at the market sir without providing evidence

01:32:35.300 everyone took sides and accused each other without evidence many many such cases screw tape lasers i am

01:32:42.060 pleased to see lotus eaters covering the nordstrom story well i was made aware of it this morning and

01:32:46.540 thought it would be fascinating to look into it and the more i read all of the reports and everything

01:32:50.560 that was being said the more my eyebrows began to levitate off of the top of my head it's interesting

01:32:55.620 how little coverage it received considering its vast implications for the war well it'll be interesting

01:33:01.720 to see if it gets more and more press coverage in the weeks um in the weeks leading up to the u.s

01:33:07.460 elections to see if it has any influence on those if donald trump ramps up his rhetoric about winding

01:33:12.200 down the ukraine war if it goes in the way where they start reporting on such things more start

01:33:18.280 pointing the finger at ukraine you could say that might be an alignment of regime saying okay we are

01:33:24.140 expecting a trump win so we're going to try to turn the narrative in his direction in preparation for

01:33:30.260 that if not then you know fortification kamala harris i don't think the regime wants trump i think the

01:33:37.900 regime wants kamala harris because then it's just business as usual for them and they don't even have

01:33:41.980 to worry about reining trump in brian tomlinson regarding the blowing up of the nordstrom pipeline

01:33:48.700 blaming the russians for causing the explosion is the equivalent of my neighbors and myself having a war

01:33:53.360 and me burning my house down to show them who's boss yeah but it really did show them didn't it

01:33:58.040 george hap everybody knows that the person who blew up nordstrom was tucker carlson putin confirmed

01:34:03.020 that in the interview with him that must have been hidden somewhere in the historical diatribe he went

01:34:08.020 honestly i didn't watch that interview i know i should have and i know it was very interesting uh but i

01:34:14.700 let such things slip me by sadly because there is so much going on at all times and all places that

01:34:21.940 sometimes i need a nap california refugee remember guys trump was going to cause world war three by not

01:34:26.980 going to war with russia syria or iran now that there are several wars going on america is funding

01:34:31.760 not a peep of world war three talk from the legacy medium very true alex l the only argument i can

01:34:38.240 think of that points to russia is that the oligarchs were also pressuring putin to stop the war pointing

01:34:43.360 to a potential coup putin could have wanted to remove the pipeline entirely to remove that pressure

01:34:48.760 from his side that's a fair um that's a fair interpretation and um and theory regarding that

01:34:55.880 again unless people are brought before a court and forced to give testimony and testify uh honestly

01:35:03.400 then i don't think we will ever truly know what happened because the fog of war is thick and dense

01:35:08.960 and these days even more so after the end of a war bald eagle 1787 for two dollars on rumble thank

01:35:15.600 you very much best way to look at the nord stream situation is how putin stated it look at who had

01:35:20.180 the means and the motive to do it who benefited from it it's obvious that the u.s and ukraine did

01:35:25.780 it certainly i do think there is an interpretation that suggests that they could if ukraine was involved

01:35:30.380 i'd be very shocked if the u.s had nothing to do with it i would have thought that that would have been

01:35:34.800 a remarkable splitting away from the u.s in doing such a thing i'll read a

01:35:42.200 uh two more general hai ping chinese and tibet battalion being reported that ukraine are using

01:35:49.440 british challenges mark two tanks in their salt into russian territory if it's true i think

01:35:54.120 unfortunately we'll all be fighting off other nations before getting to reform our own i hope

01:35:59.240 that the i i don't try to look at things quite so pessimistically and again from jess's autism

01:36:05.100 there is a very simple explanation for the nord stream exploding it was built by dei hires well

01:36:10.860 maybe do you want to read some of your comments um can you i don't know how to do that you don't

01:36:15.920 know how to read god standards are slipping my god wait wait wait would you like to read them

01:36:23.220 stelios have you got access to the document oh is it on the document if you scroll all the way to

01:36:28.360 the bottom of the document humza v musk oh here you go oh wow thank you okay it's on the screen now

01:36:37.080 i have really bad eyesight i just read off the screen perhaps sometimes you should read them

01:36:43.660 first because occasionally there are some i'll just go with it no it's fine racism is a simplified

01:36:50.040 low resolution straw man off the objective truth that many people and their cultures are vastly

01:36:55.200 different and do not harmoniously coalesce the liberal trend towards ideological deconstruction is

01:37:01.980 forcing us to relearn this ancestral truth the hard way says chase ball that seems fair i want

01:37:09.740 humza to see musk not only because he'll lose but we'll get to see his dms during discovery imagine

01:37:17.120 all the i can't do the uh rants he had in there so would he have to show his dms i'm not aware of how

01:37:26.620 the situation of how it unfolds but if you really do have to show all of your direct messages via

01:37:31.480 discovery because maybe if you give over all of your electronics and phones that's what they have

01:37:35.940 to do uh that would be very interesting to see that would be very interesting according to samson it's

01:37:42.220 case dependent colin p says i have a genuine question why do we even have protected characteristics

01:37:49.380 doesn't this automatically created a sort of tutor apartheid system the answer is yes

01:37:55.940 yeah yeah so humza's opinion of scotland is the same as edward in braveheart there are too many scots

01:38:05.560 i've never seen braveheart neither have i actually what what what no i've not you have to watch it i've

01:38:14.560 not seen it should we should we wear some blue face paint together and have a movie night maybe you

01:38:20.940 could do it you could spare me the paint we could just watch a movie all right all right okay all right

01:38:28.040 if you don't want to have fun fine general have fun watching you painting your face blue there we go

01:38:35.260 general high ping chinese internet battalion who do you guys think would win in a racism off

01:38:43.120 humza useless or mr or dr shola monk i don't actually know how to pronounce her name so i'm not

01:38:50.940 going to try and connect correct you that's not her actual name

01:38:56.420 um i've got to be honest i think shola i think shola would win because humza is an idiot and so

01:39:08.240 shola but she's a really vicious kind of moron and that's like her thing isn't it at least he has

01:39:15.240 to like give the give the impression he doesn't just care about yeah he has to pretend to be even

01:39:20.300 handed sometimes sometimes

01:39:22.640 then scotty of swindon humza yusuf is already treating all criticism of him as hate speech

01:39:30.560 the irish free speech clause is a deflection strategy which exists solely to defend ethnic

01:39:36.040 criticism of white people any comments on that oh i think that's a fair comment i think we have

01:39:46.300 some more from jess's autism chatty today it isn't humza yusuf versus the world it's humza yusuf versus

01:39:53.600 the whites um i agree oh i can't read that alpha off the basis humza yusuf wants to go back to

01:40:04.580 pakistan because britain is too racist that's all you need to know he has a home country and it's not

01:40:10.240 scotland how do you think he justifies it with wokeness with wokeness i mean wokeness is entirely

01:40:18.420 about that but to hate a country so much and still stay there yeah does he does he not like he he will

01:40:24.780 say he doesn't hate the country he hates some people yeah to be yeah jess's autism final comment

01:40:33.080 i think to be fair we can't blame humza for thinking elon elon is racist elon is from south

01:40:38.980 africa after all very true maybe maybe you never know anyway i think with that we've run over time

01:40:46.140 about enough and i think uh that's all all we need to say so remember gold tier commenters you can send

01:40:53.260 in your videos to to remind everybody right here quiz at lotus eaters

01:40:58.700 oh i got it wrong to begin with so apologies yeah send regular questions and their answers to quiz

01:41:11.180 at lotus eaters.com and send in your video comment questions to the normal way that you would send in

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01:41:24.400 we have put up early so do that and make sure to tune in tomorrow when we have got rafe on as a

01:41:30.660 special guest on the podcast on and on lads hour until then thank you very much for joining us we'll see

01:41:35.900 you tomorrow

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 15, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #979

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