The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #982

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters for the 20th of august 2024 and i am

00:00:14.320 joined by stelios hello and harry miller of fair cop very pleased to have you yeah great to be here

00:00:21.220 great to be here and i've actually pulled up your website here so uh you can explain a little bit

00:00:26.880 about it because i imagine you've been very busy and i'm probably going to unintentionally direct a

00:00:30.780 lot more traffic your way so sorry about that but we have been busy i mean we've been inordinately

00:00:35.520 busy i can't believe that all my predictions about keir starmer that a labor government would be

00:00:41.560 exactly the same as the conservative government that it would simply be a different colored tie

00:00:46.400 on the doorstep of number 10 uh well it shows how what a great political forecaster i am because

00:00:52.200 it seems to me that starmer has been born fully formed as chairman mau and he's taken all of the

00:00:59.820 great um officers of state uh state with him the the notion that we have a separation of powers well

00:01:07.940 that's now ancient history because all of the powers that there are in this country seem to be operating

00:01:12.760 under the sole direction of um of hair starmer and um and um uh yvette cooper which is which is

00:01:21.780 troubling if you if you are remotely interested in freedom if you're remotely interested in preserving

00:01:29.320 the rights of the individual over the state preserving autonomy then the sharp turn to i don't even know

00:01:37.920 whether it's to the left if the sharp turn to maoism um has got to be extremely concerning and i think

00:01:45.080 that's probably uh the reason why we are so busy we've picked up on on our x account uh we increased

00:01:51.560 our numbers by i think between five and ten percent within the first fortnight uh of starmer getting in

00:01:57.120 because what he's done immediately is generate a chilling effect on free speech anybody who is slightly

00:02:05.240 to the right anybody who voted for brexit anybody who has a who's expressed a view about immigration

00:02:13.240 anybody who has expressed a view about limiting who is allowed to live here and woe betide anybody

00:02:19.880 who's expressed to be a view about where terrorism in this country uh seems to be stemming from well

00:02:26.880 if you're in that group or one of those groups then you are in severe danger of coming to the attention

00:02:33.620 of keir starmer's um state and that is terrifying people are terrified so so far you know if if one

00:02:41.540 of the key performance indicators of a new government is to create a chilling effect then we've got to give

00:02:46.120 keir starmer 10 out of 10 but what you do here is you provide people with the means to um resist the

00:02:54.780 police potentially persecuting their speech as well as i think you also help um police officers being

00:02:59.920 persecuted by the sort of institution as well as i understand yeah yeah yeah we we do we do all of

00:03:05.140 that and i think at some point we're going to have to produce some form of toolkit as to as to what to

00:03:12.040 do on saturday night i addressed um a group of roundabout i think it was about 300 uh largely women on um 0.87

00:03:19.320 on an ex spaces meeting on a saturday night that's a lot of people um and the majority of them were

00:03:26.800 concerned about what do we do if we get a knock on the door well my advice is this give yourself

00:03:33.620 just the once over check have i done something wrong have i committed a crime do i think that

00:03:40.900 this knock on the door is warranted because one of the things about committing a crime is you're

00:03:46.420 supposed to know you've committed it all right that's the element of what we call men's raid the

00:03:50.920 guilty mind you don't commit crimes or most crimes unintentionally most crimes are committed with the

00:03:57.360 intention of causing hurt damage it's the guilty mind it's one part it's one part of what constitutes

00:04:04.240 a crime guilty mind plus guilty action minus a defense so just check with yourself have you been

00:04:10.340 stalking somebody have you been harassing somebody have you been threatening somebody and if the answer

00:04:15.540 to all those questions is no then there's a fair chance you have not committed a crime so the next

00:04:20.820 thing that you have to do is this you have to ask the police officer are you investigating me for a crime

00:04:26.560 or for a non-crime if they say we're investigating you for a non-crime you have the option of that door of 0.98

00:04:33.460 shutting the door and telling them to kiss their arse goodbye if they say they're investigating you for 0.91

00:04:39.180 a crime the first thing you need to do at that point is turn your phone recorder on at that point 0.99

00:04:46.660 what they should do is caution you that's straight away the second they the second that they have

00:04:52.960 identified you as somebody who is the possible perpetrator of a crime they are the suspect suspect in

00:05:01.840 a crime you have to be cautioned you have to be cautioned so be on the lookout for that stick your 0.98

00:05:08.940 tape recorder on and then don't agree to do anything without first speaking to me and definitely

00:05:16.360 without seeing a solicitor now one of the great what what tends to happen these days is that the

00:05:21.860 police rather than arrest you which is a bit messy the police will enter will ask you or invite you for

00:05:29.160 an interview under caution now the thing with an interview with an invite to an interview under

00:05:34.240 caution a voluntary interview is you can say no what tends to happen is they say

00:05:38.660 if i don't if you say no we'll arrest you so it's worth asking that if they ask you to go to a

00:05:44.720 voluntary interview ask the question what happens if i say no if they say well we might have to arrest

00:05:50.920 you then we are generating a for a future claim of coercion here all right if you do go in for a

00:05:58.600 voluntary interview a make sure you take a solicitor and b make sure you take your phone or some other

00:06:05.380 recording device and record them because it's voluntary you can do that you don't even need to

00:06:11.520 tell them you're recording it just record it and then once you've done that send it to me and we'll

00:06:17.460 have a look at it because nine times out of ten the police will have that they're all they'll have done

00:06:23.380 they'll have been on a fishing trip they'll have been on a fishing trip that's it and we can then we

00:06:29.440 then have the means to fight back because unless the police have objective grounds genuine objective

00:06:36.940 grounds for believing that you have committed an offense they have no right whatsoever to be

00:06:43.040 approaching you on that basis what they want to do is get you down into an interview they want to scare

00:06:50.560 the life out of you tell you that on this occasion it will probably no go for go no further and leave you

00:06:57.180 with their words ringing in your ear so that you back off and become state compliant without ever

00:07:03.720 troubling the criminal justice system that's what they want to do and it's our job not to play with

00:07:10.040 them it's our job not to play ball it's our job to think of a way to defend ourselves and to turn the

00:07:18.380 boot onto them that's what fair cop does i have a question i heard you saying before that people should

00:07:25.780 turn the recording on if the police says the people knocking on the door say that we're investigating

00:07:32.480 you for a crime but how will let's say they say we're investigating you for a non-crime turn it on

00:07:39.280 turn it on the second is the police turn on the recording how will the people be able to prove

00:07:45.540 something because if they don't have any recording it's going to be the police officer's words against

00:07:51.160 them right so most most people have a recording device most people have got an iphone or some form

00:07:57.240 of smartphone you need to familiar familiarize yourself beforehand with how to record a conversation

00:08:04.780 it's quite easy voice memos or what have you just make sure it's there you make sure you know how to do

00:08:10.500 it and then before you open the door you press the record button it's as simple as that we have we have

00:08:16.160 helped a huge amount of people on the basis that they've recorded the they've recorded the interview

00:08:23.160 because we've then unpicked it and said if there was no caution there was no basis for the interview

00:08:29.140 what they were doing was simply investigating the fact that somebody had been offended but they were

00:08:33.740 not they were they were entirely unable to attach that offense to a legitimate crime and if we can do

00:08:41.220 all that we are then in a position where we can we can a get you off the hook because you shouldn't have

00:08:46.180 been on the hook in the first place and b turn the tables on the police and then make them answer for

00:08:53.220 their behavior make them answer for their behavior what i'm looking for in the next in the next year or so

00:08:59.980 is for this to happen to somebody and for us to then make a criminal case against the police for harassment

00:09:10.100 harassment a public order case against the police for harassment because let's face it if you went up

00:09:17.220 to somebody's somebody's door as a complete stranger knocked on their door and said by the way you have

00:09:23.100 to do what i say otherwise i'm going to i'm going to lock you up and take away your freedom you would 0.99

00:09:27.720 consider that to be harassment okay well why should be yeah absolutely why is it any different because

00:09:34.300 it's a police officer doing it the only way a police officer has a can do that it's not by virtue

00:09:41.720 of their uniform it's not by virtue of the police car it's not by virtue of they have that they

00:09:46.660 physically have the power to do it it's because they have been given they've been granted by the

00:09:51.460 state an extraordinary power the power to investigate crime and the power to threaten an arrest and to make

00:09:58.880 an arrest but if they are if they are abusing that power or if they are simply using it negligently

00:10:06.680 because they haven't thought it through then they need to be taken to task they need to be taken to

00:10:13.860 task so what we're looking for actively looking for is cases where we can not only go against the police

00:10:20.240 and show you were wrong not only go against the police and say we want a bit of conversation

00:10:24.800 but go against the police and say now prosecute yourself prosecute that officer prosecute whoever

00:10:30.500 ordered that officer to come around prosecute the chief constable if they've created it prosecute

00:10:35.200 whoever but you as police officers cannot do this you cannot unleash hell against the public and give

00:10:41.600 yourself a pass because you happen to be in uniform we're not having it here here and i think that

00:10:48.140 one thing that isn't done enough and part of the reason that things have been allowed to get to this

00:10:52.640 point in the first place is that people haven't really gone on the attack against the institutions

00:10:58.100 that are persecuting them more or less we've sort of been saying well they shouldn't do that please

00:11:02.420 reform we're not actually pushing back and saying actually we should prosecute you and i think that

00:11:06.600 that's a really important step because one of the things that i think that has changed the nature of

00:11:12.160 policing is things like the black lives matter protests for example that i've heard from multiple

00:11:18.840 different police officers that following those protests they were far more afraid to deal with

00:11:24.760 black criminals basically and they actively avoided um trying to investigate those crimes in a to a degree 0.88

00:11:31.680 far greater than they would have otherwise and so um i think this ties in very nicely to the fact

00:11:37.900 that the police no longer necessarily seem to care nearly as much about what is right and wrong and

00:11:43.580 more so about their appearance and their reputation and i think that had they looked at you know doing

00:11:50.240 the right thing they wouldn't have to worry about their reputation but they're doing it in the sort of

00:11:54.660 short term and i think there's a lot of political pressure going on here you've got the police and crime

00:11:58.980 commissioners um exerting political pressure and there's a more cozy relationship which you alluded to

00:12:04.780 um earlier i think between um politicians and the police that are incentivizing these sorts of things

00:12:12.460 and i think that um i've been told at least that if you're to get beyond the rank of inspector you

00:12:19.060 need some sort of understanding of politics and there's also an element of it as well which i was

00:12:23.920 quite shocked to hear um this is from i believe the met police i was told um that you need to have

00:12:30.360 basically grasped on one of your colleagues to get beyond the rank of inspector and this is normally

00:12:35.860 for something that is sort of politically correct so for misogyny or they might say something

00:12:41.680 off color or there might be a bad joke and you need to have that on your record that actually

00:12:46.780 you're willing to uphold standards against your colleagues but what that does is it creates

00:12:52.440 a very um clear climate of basically political fear within the police i think and it gets them in line

00:13:00.340 with the political messaging that the only way that you can maintain your career in in policing

00:13:06.380 is that you more or less follow the political prevailing wind and you enforce that and you do

00:13:13.140 basically the bidding of politicians that's right i had a very sad case about two years ago where a

00:13:19.820 traffic officer formerly of hampshire police now working at a different force

00:13:24.880 very experienced traffic officer he was on a he was on i think it was a night shift with a very

00:13:30.360 long-standing colleague someone who he thought of as a friend someone who he trusted during the night

00:13:35.420 shift they happened to make a comment about oh where's pc so-and-so this week and he said oh he's

00:13:40.720 on one of these flipping diversity courses isn't he and they got chatting about it and the police

00:13:46.420 obviously said well what a waste of time they are he said all they do is teach people that men can

00:13:50.760 become women well i don't believe any of that nonsense his mate reported him his mate reported him

00:13:57.060 yeah and the reason that his mate reported him was because everything in that car was being recorded

00:14:01.760 anyway so if he'd failed to report his mate for that then he could have been seen to be condoning it

00:14:09.940 if they've been there'd been a spot check on the conversations that had taken place in that car

00:14:15.760 now what that does one it it what they did with the police officer they put him through

00:14:20.980 um they put him through an investigation uh he he's a christian so he he said look really i don't need you

00:14:28.900 to be i am considering making claim against you because you're discriminating against me based on

00:14:34.700 my religion so they said okay we don't do that what we want to do is send you on a re-education course

00:14:39.080 the old re-education course uh so that that was that was what they want to do to change his thinking

00:14:44.740 to drive out any any belief system that he had and replace it with an approved policing system but you

00:14:52.180 can't have a situation where on a night shift or even a day shift you you can't you were afraid to

00:14:58.420 make conversation with your colleague because there is an inordinate pressure on your colleague to report

00:15:05.720 you if you say anything that is off script that is utterly demoralizing one of the things you need to

00:15:13.280 be when it's when it comes to working for any of the services army fire service i guess ambulance service

00:15:19.120 certainly the police is you need to have absolute trust in your colleagues because on a daily basis

00:15:24.520 you are going into horrendous situations horrendous situations one of the coping mechanisms is honesty

00:15:31.320 brutal honesty black humor i mean we used to use black humor all of the time as does every single

00:15:38.540 emergency service every single person who's ever been in that situation throughout history has resorted

00:15:45.220 to black humor now we do it here as well now unfortunately if you if you resort to black

00:15:50.540 humor there's a fair chance that you're going to be reported for it and there's a fair chance

00:15:56.640 you're going to face a disciplinary and you're going to be taken off being an active police officer

00:16:01.240 as you await disciplinary you're going to be on full pay this this these processes take months and

00:16:07.180 months and months and at the end of the day you know you you have very good police officers who are

00:16:12.040 thoroughly demoralized and who are leaving the job and who is replacing them diversity hires 0.98

00:16:18.260 diversity hires we have the ludicrous situation uh fairly local to me actually where a a pakistani 1.00

00:16:25.260 woman was um was taken from the community to become a a police officer she was due to be fast-tracked 1.00

00:16:32.300 to detective um and it all started going very very wrong within the first few weeks because a

00:16:37.860 she didn't think that she should be made to work weekends b she nobody told her that she was 0.97

00:16:42.880 supposed to work nights uh and c 12 hour days were far too long anyway what did they think they were

00:16:47.500 doing and it took them forever to get rid of her why because she was a diversity hire that's where 1.00

00:16:54.060 that's where we're at what you're describing completely destroys any element of collegiality

00:16:59.380 correct and i think it can be extended throughout culture because what we are the what we're

00:17:05.860 encountering on a daily basis is basically an informant culture yeah there are incentives in

00:17:11.120 every organization for people to rat on each other well i agree but the other thing about this

00:17:15.900 particular officer is she quite openly quite openly stated that she wanted to join the police

00:17:22.040 in order to put the police correct right culturally following the sarah everard incident well i'm sorry

00:17:28.960 if you're a police constable a new recruit it is not your job to be sorting out systemic problems

00:17:35.980 systematic cultural problems within the whole of the police it's your job to come in do your job 0.55

00:17:41.760 arrest the bad guy do long shifts go to traffic accidents go to domestics do all of that crappy 0.78

00:17:48.940 day-to-day stuff and then maybe one day when you've proven yourselves way down the line

00:17:54.620 maybe you'll get lucky and maybe you'll invite it to go and join the mandarins at the college of

00:18:00.800 policing where you can fill your boots um with political nonsense and uh leave policing as a thing

00:18:06.940 on your cv because once you join the college of policing you'll never do any policing again

00:18:10.640 so one thing that i have um sort of thought about here is that because there is this sort of

00:18:17.120 informant culture as stelios put it within the police i think it justifies it in many police officers

00:18:22.780 minds to apply this to the population at large because if it's the conditions they live under

00:18:27.940 then well it must at least be somewhat justified to apply that to other people and so the the this

00:18:34.080 level of scrutiny this very high level of scrutiny of political statements well they must be looking

00:18:40.020 at it through their um sort of internal lens of what can i get away with and looking at the populace

00:18:45.560 at large and enforcing those standards upon people right just from a sort of almost psychological sense

00:18:51.800 i'm not i'm not sure whether it's personal or not quite like that what i am certain is is that the

00:18:59.580 standard of recruit is so abysmally poor um that there is no real understanding of the difference

00:19:05.960 between law well you know what is legal and what's just you know nice or what's not nice and what's

00:19:12.740 fantasy no and the police i've said this before but it's true it needs saying again the police seem to be

00:19:17.620 far more concerned about being on what they consider to be the right side of history than

00:19:22.280 they are about being on the right side of the law if they think that the society is moving in a certain

00:19:27.560 direction where being offensive is an offense then they will treat being offenses offensive as an offense

00:19:34.060 right now they'll treat it that way right now even though they know being offensive is not an offense

00:19:39.840 they'll treat it as such which is why we had four years ago the ludicrous um site of a of a 12-foot

00:19:48.320 billboard being trailed around the wirral uh that said back by the police that said being offensive is

00:19:53.900 an offense i remember that we've had we've had to pull up um derbyshire police for tweeting out being

00:19:58.520 offensive as an offense we've reported numerous other police forces and said but it isn't it isn't being

00:20:04.120 offensive is not it might not be nice but you're not the nice police you're the law police it's your job

00:20:09.460 to police the law not to get ahead of the law not to predict what the law might be in 10 years time

00:20:16.340 and certainly not to impose the law as you wish it was it's your job to impose the law as it is and if

00:20:23.780 you don't like it well suck it up sister do it anyway or stop being a police officer there's also 1.00

00:20:30.200 this phenomenon here that i found very interesting covering some of the the recent riots and that is 0.98

00:20:36.360 the fact that many muslims came out on the street with weapons and i think it may have been is that a 0.93

00:20:42.960 community support officer um i'm not entirely sure but basically the the official line and and what i

00:20:49.180 think was actively and institutionally enforced in many police forces was that certain communities are

00:20:57.340 more um suited to being community policed so in muslim communities they may have their imams who they

00:21:04.800 listen to it's almost like the police are not seen as the legitimate force and you see the riot in

00:21:09.820 leeds where many muslims were involved and this seemed to my mind to be a sort of rejection of the

00:21:16.480 legitimacy of british law it was rejecting the notion that the police can be involved and they were driven

00:21:22.820 out of the community and we're seeing the continuation of that and i'm told um from police officers that

00:21:29.700 they're actually taught to treat certain communities differently deliberately so yeah

00:21:34.780 absolutely i mean let's take let's take this that we see here okay um addressing a crowd that's fully

00:21:42.380 tooled up and saying oh guys what i'd really like you to do is just we'll not arrest anybody but if you

00:21:47.680 don't mind just going and putting your weapons in the mosque uh that that'd be really really cool 0.89

00:21:52.400 okay can you imagine saying that to a bunch of big fat white guys wrapped in union flags who were 0.67

00:21:59.560 carrying weapons can you imagine a police officer standing before them and saying guys would you

00:22:03.840 mind just dipping back to weatherspoons and leaving your weaponry there you can pick it up after

00:22:08.240 but right now please take your please take your weapons your your clotters your your knuckle

00:22:13.280 dusters your bats you know all the rest of it just go just go leave them at weatherspoons

00:22:18.200 just go leave them at weatherspoons you can pick them up later would that ever happen it would not

00:22:23.200 happen in a million years you see a group that you know have got weapons if they are if they're flying

00:22:29.060 union flags if they're if they're white what you do you call in the big guns you call in the cannons

00:22:36.240 you call in the water hoses you call in the helicopters you call in every every riot squad in the area

00:22:43.320 because you are not going to back down to that crowd you are not going to do anything to that crowd

00:22:48.000 other than subdue it and arrest as many people as you can and confiscate as many weapons as you can

00:22:53.700 now that's what they should be doing here if you're out on the street as a group with a weapon

00:22:59.560 i no quarter should be given to you whatsoever no pleases no thank yous we're going to take your

00:23:06.500 weapons off you we're going to arrest you and we're going to put you inside for as long as the justice 0.52

00:23:11.660 system will allow because we are not having this we are simply not having this and it's instances

00:23:17.300 like this which people see which which make us say that there is two-tier policing and it doesn't

00:23:23.740 matter that sir mark rowley says there isn't there clearly is it's irrelevant that keir starmer says

00:23:29.420 there isn't we've got it documented yvette cooper is dreaming if she thinks we haven't noticed that

00:23:35.500 there has been two-tier policing on our streets for a very very long time and we know there is because

00:23:40.780 we can predict with a high degree of accuracy how a police force will operate on any given moment you

00:23:49.020 tell me what group it is they're going to police and i will tell you with a degree of accuracy how

00:23:54.720 they will police it if it's left wing if it's blm if it's if it's um climate change it will be one way 0.99

00:24:02.300 if it's a bunch of of women who believe that women are women and women don't have penises 1.00

00:24:06.980 if it's a bunch of people who are concerned about immigration etc it will be police in an entirely 0.98

00:24:12.720 different way and we will be right about that every single time we've got an oh sorry staleos in it

00:24:19.280 just in a bit um we've actually got an example of this from the palestine uh protests here um where

00:24:25.140 80 of the counter protesters were arrested by police in riot gear whereas the people more or less dressed

00:24:30.700 as hamas chanting for genocide um and even carrying some were carrying swastikas were allowed to carry

00:24:37.140 on um but sorry staleos do go ahead no i just wanted to say about the two-tier policing thing not

00:24:41.820 only do we have ample evidence but uh yvette cooper and kia stama they're lying when they're saying that

00:24:47.700 there isn't because they're pro multiculturalism and multiculturalism is all about granting group

00:24:54.240 differentiated rights which manifests in this case the problem you just mentioned that some

00:24:59.940 some people are allowed to get away with things that people from other from white communities aren't

00:25:06.100 so i think that the police view themselves as only the legitimate authority of the the british people

00:25:12.440 and not other ethnicities i think that that's the way things are being treated at the minute and um you

00:25:18.620 can look at things like the anti-lockdown protests uh when we were you know in the covid times

00:25:24.440 compared with the black lives matter protests and the difference between the two well the anti-lockdown

00:25:30.320 protests were not treated with kid gloves whereas the black lives matter ones were certainly 0.64

00:25:34.840 um treated um with a certain amount of reverence even you could say and also the sarah everard

00:25:42.680 protests uh that that occurred then it seemed that the police were far more interested in cracking

00:25:48.520 down on on on the protest than they were in sympathizing uh with it and allowing it to run as

00:25:55.240 you know as giving them as much leeway as possible because i think the police are unfortunate and i hate

00:26:01.760 to say this the police are primarily about protecting themselves i mean we again we we know this objectively

00:26:08.900 when when in 2014 we had the nonsense of non-crime hate incidents and just to remind your your listeners

00:26:17.200 and viewers that a non-crime hate incident was any incident that didn't quite reach the quality of

00:26:23.840 being crime but which was nevertheless an instance perceived by either the victim or any other person

00:26:30.280 to be motivated by hate the guidance said it must be recorded against the individual as a non-crime hate

00:26:38.340 incident no leeway it must be we put in a subject access request to the metropolitan police and said

00:26:46.920 how many non-crime hate incidents have been recorded against police officers between 2014 and 2021

00:26:52.320 and the answer came back zero absolutely zero that can't be right because if you just do a cursory

00:27:01.300 look of the internet that the police are very often accused of disablism racism sexism all sorts of stuff

00:27:09.100 now they may not have committed a crime but it doesn't matter the guidance that they were operating under

00:27:13.520 said that where there wasn't a crime they must be recorded for a non-crime agent so why mr police officer

00:27:19.740 were you not recording yourself why were you only persecuting the public

00:27:25.640 but you were giving yourself an absolute total pass why is that one of the particularly insidious parts

00:27:32.940 of this is that um these non-crime hate incidences will come up in an advanced background check as well

00:27:39.840 so say you're applying for a job that requires that well that's going to then come up even though

00:27:44.760 you've not done anything wrong by the law correct correct that's why we you know it was such a great

00:27:49.760 victory that we had in 2020 or 2021 was it um where we got all of that non-crime hate incident stuff

00:27:57.100 struck down now we didn't get it entirely struck down and we never argued for it to be entirely

00:28:02.380 struck down we said the police can record non-crime hate incidents but it's down to them to justify

00:28:09.500 doing it so if you've got a situation if you've gathered some intelligence about people and the

00:28:16.640 intelligence you've gathered doesn't suggest that there's a crime yet taken place but it gives a

00:28:22.020 strong indicator that the person you are looking at is likely to be committing a crime in the near

00:28:27.200 future then of course we want you to record that against that person that's the job of policing of

00:28:33.140 course we do but you can't do that legitimately if at the same time you're recording people because

00:28:39.320 they said for instance my cat's a methodist that's not an indicator of a crime anyway if you're recording

00:28:46.040 the fact that i said um i i was i was i was assigned mammal at birth but i did i identify as a fish

00:28:53.620 that's not me indicating to the police that i'm about to embark on a life of crime is it it's not

00:29:00.440 it's simply a free expression so even if in even if in that sort of quarter of a million non-crime hate

00:29:06.940 incidents that the police recorded there may well have been some very very interesting stuff in there

00:29:12.180 but you lost it all in the noise you lost it all in the noise too much information is every bit as bad

00:29:20.520 as too little information that's what that was what is going wrong here so one final thing before i

00:29:27.620 bring this segment to a close is this statement here so elon musk labeled the uk a police state do

00:29:34.800 you i don't know whether you've actually read what he has said but um what are your your thoughts on

00:29:40.580 that what what does he mean by a police state what we have in this country um and say in the states is

00:29:44.840 we have to a degree a separation of powers where we have where we have the the government

00:29:50.740 we have the judiciary and we have the police and whilst they're not entire they could never be

00:29:57.640 entirely separate can they of course they can't but one isn't supposed to be controlling the other

00:30:03.340 there's supposed to be a a large degree of independence between all of all three of those

00:30:10.240 bodies okay

00:30:11.200 that has broken down that has absolutely broken down we saw it during covid where where boris johnson

00:30:22.200 simply made announcements about what the law was and about what the guidance was and nobody knew the

00:30:27.240 difference between a law and guidance and the police didn't seem to care because they simply went out

00:30:32.240 and they policed guidance as though it were law so there we have a breakdown between

00:30:38.300 the the between the separation of powers we then have the judiciary who who over the last few years

00:30:47.080 have been operating on what's called the um the judicial uh the judicial bench book if you read the judicial

00:30:53.380 bench book it is a love letter to wokery it is an absolute love letter to wokery and the introduction

00:31:02.220 tells judges not that they have to follow the book but that they should follow the book so for

00:31:09.960 instance if you're accused of racism if you're accused of misogyny if you're accused of any of

00:31:14.820 these sort of hot topics then you the last thing you want to do is look at the judicial uh bench book

00:31:21.420 because you're already guilty according to that what you're relying on is getting a judge who is

00:31:27.080 independent minded minded enough stubborn enough to ignore what the judiciary bench book has told him

00:31:33.020 to do that's that's it that that's it so we have we have a position where the judiciary are coming

00:31:41.060 under the influence of government and the police are coming under the influence of government and at

00:31:45.620 that point we have in effect a police state so elon musk is right yeah and frankly this means that

00:31:53.480 there is no rule of law because the the less well there is a relation there is there is a rule of law

00:31:59.260 but it's an illegitimate it's an illegitimate law and it's a law based on the wrong model like you look

00:32:06.300 at maoist china there was definitely the rule of law but there was no separation of powers yeah and so

00:32:11.960 there was no sense of real honest justice we still have in this country one of the most admired

00:32:17.780 justice systems on the planet where britain goes other countries go but we are in danger of losing

00:32:25.940 it ronald reagan was absolutely right when he said every generation we are just one generation away

00:32:31.420 from tyranny one generation away from tyranny and that's why we have to be aware of what's going on

00:32:37.300 here and elon musk is right he is absolutely correct we're not a police state like you had

00:32:42.920 in haiti under pol pot we're not a police state like we had under stalin or under hitler but we

00:32:48.760 are in a police state sure so we have a few comments that we've been sent so uh the last

00:32:56.380 russian says i like this and please let harry rant away this is quality they'll come for all of us

00:33:01.420 we all must know this and be prepared um thank you um and then that's a random name says i think

00:33:08.320 we should take the initiative away from the coppers by issuing fought crime licenses from the department 1.00

00:33:12.380 of criminality checkmate communists yes um but anyway i think now it's time to get on to the

00:33:19.840 justice system because you're already touching on the justice system we've talked about policing we

00:33:24.680 obviously two-tier policing has been on the cards as a topic to talk about has even been raised to

00:33:30.780 keir starmer himself so clearly there is a lot of concern about this but less attention has been

00:33:37.200 focused upon the justice system and i think there's just as much um injustice going on there as in

00:33:44.120 policing and i think that before i do that it's also worth addressing some uh difficult reporting so

00:33:51.580 here we have the bbc saying a 67 year old man has been jailed after chanting you're not english anymore

00:33:58.480 at police officers during a violent demonstration in london so this might lead you to believe that

00:34:03.780 they were jailed for saying that right that's the way the bbc has reported this um however um this

00:34:11.500 isn't actually the case so if you look at um the actual article itself within the body of text

00:34:18.260 he admitted to violent disorder um and they also had a history of crime that is why they've got

00:34:25.160 such a long sentence i think they they got a couple of years um and and this person uh here we go same

00:34:32.860 name um jailed for 20 and 12 years respectively for their roles in an operation involving nearly half a

00:34:38.820 million pounds of class a drug so they're clearly dealing drugs right and that is part of the reason

00:34:46.120 why they got such a large sentence um and that's why they've got these 20 months as well as being

00:34:52.040 involved in violent disorder rather than it just being um that they're chanting these slogans and

00:34:58.620 i think the media reporting on this this is very unhelpful because not only does it mislead people

00:35:03.360 about being angry about legitimate things but also it makes people scared to just say stuff it makes

00:35:09.600 people even more afraid about speaking their mind about things yeah well what's interesting in a case

00:35:15.500 like this is that um there is there's no such thing in this country as hate crime it doesn't take it doesn't

00:35:22.700 exist except when it comes to um uplift of sentence uh once you've been convicted of a crime so if you've

00:35:32.660 been convicted of a crime if the if if the prosecution can show that there was a hate element to your crime

00:35:40.240 then there can be that can be reflected in the sentence so rather than getting 18 months you get

00:35:45.780 two years rather than getting two years you get three years or what have you okay so it exists there

00:35:51.440 what i think is happening here is this lad here is clearly a wrong one clearly a bad one obviously an

00:35:58.620 habitual criminal what's happened is that he's made it easier for himself he's made it easier for the

00:36:05.440 judiciary to locking up locking up for a longer time because they've been able to identify

00:36:09.220 something that he said that is not entirely related to his criminality and say there's your criminality

00:36:16.680 here but you've expressed hate over here we're going to pull these two things together and we're going

00:36:23.000 to use that as the pretext for giving you a a higher sentence that i think is what's happening here and

00:36:30.440 that i think is is actually quite worrying i'm all for being hard on crime i'm all for being tough on

00:36:38.160 criminals if you're found guilty of a crime in this country there's a fair chance that you committed

00:36:43.200 the crime and i want to see you found guilty i want to see you thrown in prison but i want you

00:36:48.880 thrown in prison for the crime you committed not for the crime you committed plus something that you

00:36:55.140 said on facebook or something that you shouted at a protest or some some opinion that you otherwise

00:37:00.740 expressed because that's not justice that is justice that has been tainted by politics and we can't have

00:37:09.840 that that gets my goat i don't like that at all and a clear violation of the principle of proportionality

00:37:15.640 of punishment to crime yes absolutely absolutely so i i have some sympathy you know if you beat somebody

00:37:22.680 up then there's a sentence if you beat somebody up because they're a jew or because they are a pakistani

00:37:29.880 then i get the argument that there's a targeted element to it and perhaps there should be i don't

00:37:38.420 necessarily agree with it but perhaps there should be an uplift of sentence i get the argument even

00:37:45.380 though i don't necessarily fully agree with it but what we can't do is start bringing in aspects of a

00:37:52.640 person's character and their their political life forcing it onto their legitimate crime and treating

00:38:01.320 it all as one thing that i think is the kind of behavior that is typical of a police state

00:38:07.140 and of of a of a state where the judiciary has been captured by the politic by the uh the policy of the

00:38:14.120 government at the time absolutely so there was another case of interesting reporting here doing much

00:38:19.900 the same thing as the previous one so it says four people sentenced for violence in plymouth and you

00:38:25.320 know that's where i'm from uh including man who waved prosthetic leg at protesters which sounds like the

00:38:31.080 crime was waving the prosthetic leg doesn't it until then you scroll down um and you read a little bit

00:38:37.160 about the man so uh john can 51 from patner place in plymouth was sentenced to three years in jail so

00:38:43.140 that sounds like a lot of time for waving your prosthetic leg right he was caught on camera waving his

00:38:47.860 prosthetic leg at opposing protesters during the violence the court was um shown footage of can

00:38:52.340 launching a firework or flare towards the counter protesters before falling off his mobility aid

00:38:56.780 which you know one has to wonder why he's there in the first place the police body cam footage also

00:39:02.120 showed can bending down to pick up an object from the floor before throwing it at opposing protesters so

00:39:07.480 obviously he's being violent there is a crime being committed there um it's not waving his leg and it's

00:39:13.220 also worth mentioning that he got such a long time in prison because he'd previously spent

00:39:17.860 357 months which is nearly 30 years in prison so that's why he he got such a large sentence for

00:39:25.560 his involvement here and people are saying well this guy attended a protest and he got arrested

00:39:30.840 for three years for waving his leg this just muddies the water for legitimate criticism of the justice

00:39:37.680 system which there is lots but if people start sharing this sort of thing we've got to be careful

00:39:43.500 yeah yeah we've got we've got to be we've got to be careful because the the the left are very quick

00:39:49.460 to jump on any story and um expand it as though it was in their favor we've got to be careful when we do

00:39:55.040 that uh that we don't start using their tactics and look hands up i've been guilty of it i've been

00:40:00.680 fooled i've been fooled by those fake guardian headlines in the past um you know and posted you know

00:40:05.600 with any outrage from the twitter account and realize it was just a wind-up or i've got we sometimes do

00:40:11.500 get our facts wrong what's worrying of course is that getting our facts wrong can now be a criminal

00:40:18.200 offense that is that is utterly terrifying the notion that you simply may have got it wrong

00:40:25.380 now we're in a position where sorry you're now a criminal because you shouldn't have said you

00:40:33.040 shouldn't have given that opinion or spoken that that so-called fact without work we're checking it

00:40:39.340 well where are we supposed to check it well according to the government we're supposed to

00:40:43.160 check it with the government there is now only knowledge which is government approved and knowledge

00:40:49.360 which is not government approved is criminal you've sort of presaged what i was going to go on to because

00:40:55.520 i was going to say that there has been an appetite within the sort of legal profession for the

00:41:00.920 introduction of this sort of thing amongst some of the practitioners at least obviously not all of them

00:41:04.820 but it it fundamentally results in a lot more work for them doesn't it in that they're going to be

00:41:10.700 prosecuting a large number of people because the way information is at the minute it's almost impossible

00:41:16.520 for people not to occasionally get something wrong and i think that's just the fast nature of things like

00:41:22.260 social media and i think that's particularly the justification for you know people saying oh we need

00:41:28.320 to arrest elon musk and of course that's a bit silly you know he's not responsible for what goes

00:41:34.740 on on his platform to that degree um but there's also an added element to this that they're talking

00:41:42.000 about releasing prisoners because rioters and people posting on social media more generally are being

00:41:50.520 imprisoned whereas people who have been involved in gang related crimes you know violent crime uh some of

00:41:56.980 the more serious drug crime they're getting perhaps even slaps on the wrist sometimes i've seen and

00:42:02.840 we're going to look at a few of these cases um and again uh here's elon musk talking about this

00:42:09.360 reiterating the police state line about the fact that they're releasing actual criminals from prisons to

00:42:15.440 move in anti-immigration protesters and of course some of them have actually committed legitimate crimes

00:42:20.680 by being violent which i don't approve of um so this one i think is an interesting case of it

00:42:27.140 so this is an actual case of someone getting arrested for speech so they were just arrested for

00:42:36.140 um supposedly threatening and hostile gestures towards police calling them bad words and joining

00:42:44.740 in the chance of you're not english anymore and who the f is alla so he's not implicated in any violent

00:42:52.520 disorder maybe there are things that weren't reported here that he did um however you can compare this

00:43:01.260 to um other crimes for example a man who scammed a bank out of 40 000 pounds i think um here he is this

00:43:11.620 is the article it's shared from he received no jail time whatsoever for for stealing money from people

00:43:19.660 he also uh happens to be uh someone who was uh i think they did five months in prison for being found

00:43:27.460 with 100 000 pounds worth of heroin in his family's luxury home which is interesting isn't it

00:43:33.760 yeah yeah yeah and we had we had cases last week of um i can't remember where but um

00:43:38.000 uh people involved in in child abuse given the lightest of the lightest of oh we've got those

00:43:44.000 you've got that haven't you yeah you got that on there we do yeah so i was going to go to this case

00:43:48.920 uh samuel melia as well he he was i believe he got two years for inciting racial hatred for

00:43:55.320 having anti-immigration stickers yep um and and having books that he wasn't allowed to have

00:44:01.500 apparently you know even though it's legal to both buy and sell them

00:44:04.720 and you you can compare this to this case here so i'm going to read a little bit from this article

00:44:12.520 it says adil rasheed 18 claimed he was not aware that he it was illegal for him to have sex with

00:44:17.980 the girl who was 13 by the way because his education left him ignorant of british law and of course

00:44:24.300 ignorance is no defense right against the law um yesterday judge michael stokes handed rasheed a

00:44:29.960 suspended sentence saying although chronologically 18 it is quite clear from the reports that you are 0.72

00:44:35.020 very naive and immature when it comes to sexual matters earlier nottingham crown court heard that

00:44:40.180 such crimes usually result in a four to seven year prison sentence but the judge said that because

00:44:44.400 rasheed was passive and lacking assertiveness sending him to jail might cause him more damage than

00:44:49.480 good why are we caring about the damage to a paedophile so so what he's he's he's had sex with the third

00:44:56.280 union you're absolutely right that ignorance as the law is no excuse none whatsoever so again people

00:45:03.800 see this happening and they see it happening time and time and time and time again to the point where

00:45:10.560 you can predict it when you can predict what's going to happen it's because you have fallen upon

00:45:16.160 a recognizable pattern that tells you the way it's going to go that's why people are so damned angry

00:45:23.720 you know with with the case showed just just previously i want to see the guy who pushes a

00:45:30.440 police officer screams in the face of a police officer i want to see them locked up but i don't

00:45:36.740 give a toss if he says who the f is our whilst he's doing it i simply don't care because who the f is 0.55

00:45:44.280 our actually who is it who is that in this country we are a secular country i know we're maybe a christian

00:45:52.200 country but primarily we're we're a secular country you get to believe in god or you get to not believe

00:45:57.520 in god you can choose whichever god you believe in and you can choose which god you don't believe in

00:46:02.540 it's as simple as that and you can make fun of any god you wish i know people got all all in a tither

00:46:09.760 about um the the opening to the the paris olympics where it appeared that the organizers had mocked

00:46:17.160 um the the the last supper i'm a christian and i simply didn't care i didn't care what did i expect

00:46:25.720 from a secular french nation i expect them to behave like that i'm not going to be offended by it

00:46:34.500 what i am offended by is the two-tier approach to religion where the police are quite happy to um

00:46:42.700 to lock you up if you're stood on a soapbox down in brighton town center and you happen to be reading

00:46:48.180 from the book of genesis for instance they'll they'll lock you up uh for espousing um anti-lgbt hate

00:46:56.200 and at the same time you will arrest somebody because they dare to offend um the the the god

00:47:04.140 of a of your favorite religion which is clearly islam let's not forget that there's been an there's

00:47:10.560 been a school teacher in hiding now for was it three years uh because he happened to show a cartoon

00:47:16.700 of the prophet muhammad at a class in batley where's the outrage over that where is the outrage over that

00:47:23.040 and it's only two years ago since uh the police sat alongside the imans and i think it was kettlebell

00:47:29.760 in west yorkshire uh because a young boy had committed the the unforgivable sin of dropping a copy of his own

00:47:36.500 koran on the floor which absolutely incensed uh the the that that muslim community video of the mother 0.58

00:47:43.140 was really quite harrowing because you could see just how worried for the safety of her son she was

00:47:48.740 when she was in the the mosque i believe it was giving an apology like listen he's autistic he's only a 0.79

00:47:54.460 kid he didn't know what he was doing please you know but again again if it was me i'm like yeah i dropped

00:47:59.640 i dropped it on the floor so what so what i dropped a copy of jane austen on the floor the other day as well

00:48:04.560 i've got a bible here oh i've just dropped that on the floor what are you going to do what are you

00:48:09.080 going to do about it we do not have in this country blasphemy laws and thank god and i say that as a

00:48:15.440 baptist christian committed christian i do not want to see blasphemy laws in this country if you want to 0.95

00:48:22.000 mock my god go ahead and do it my god's big enough to cope with it i'll tell you another god who's big

00:48:27.060 enough to cope with it and that is the god of of of the mormons because in london at the theater 1.00

00:48:33.640 every single night other than a sunday they rip the shit out of out of muslims they rip the shit 1.00

00:48:41.740 out of the angel moroni and that entire religion are there any police there are there any police 1.00

00:48:47.780 there making arrests and resting the cast because they've offended the church of latter-day saints of

00:48:53.100 course they haven't because christians mormons don't count the only religion that counts and the

00:48:59.100 only religion that gets a pass on the one hand and protection on the other is islam absolutely 0.97

00:49:05.640 and i think that it's very interesting as well that i think it was today the lady who was arrested for

00:49:11.880 silently praying outside an abortion clinic was awarded 13 000 pounds for a wrongful arrest and you

00:49:18.140 know what crime was she committing there but of course the point is not that she committed any crime

00:49:23.540 it's to discourage further behavior like that because they want to scare people away from doing

00:49:28.340 that sort of thing isn't it it's the that's what it is it's the chilling effect the police are less

00:49:33.520 interested in in the wheels of justice which turn ever so slow well not so slow at the moment if you're

00:49:41.280 if you're right wing they'll turn incredibly quickly for you on on at the at the command of of

00:49:46.040 the hair starmer but generally speaking they they run slowly that's that's where we're at that's

00:49:53.280 that's where we're at we've got some other cases as well here as well um so there was that guy who we

00:50:01.020 mentioned previously who was sentenced for 20 months in prison i actually know that this is a separate

00:50:06.520 case sorry i misspoke um so there was a couple of people i believe who posted on on facebook about

00:50:13.180 encouraging people to attend the protests and target the hotels which eventually went i think

00:50:18.740 they are eventually torched so there was potentially their incitement to violence however this same judge

00:50:26.260 that sentenced them for to 20 months for that which is still a crime i which is perfectly reasonable

00:50:32.580 right however there is also a case where a pedophile was allowed to walk free um who had

00:50:39.420 what was it over 400 images and videos of children being both abused and tortured um yeah they didn't

00:50:46.960 even get a criminal sentence for that and if if you're doing a crime which has the political spotlight

00:50:54.000 you do a lot more time than things that i think the vast majority of the population would like to see

00:51:00.360 cracked down pretty hard on and there's a good reason for that i'll tell you precisely what it is

00:51:04.420 keir starmer is interested primarily in the preservation of power so anything that threatened

00:51:11.960 his that threatens his power base he will come down on with the full force of the police and the law and

00:51:18.300 anything else at his command because he is more interested in preserving power than he is in protecting

00:51:25.140 children he wants to protect children but they're down his list women once he can work out what a woman is 1.00

00:51:32.640 he wants to protect them but they're way down his list what he wants to protect primarily is his

00:51:38.300 power base when he says britain first party seconds what a lie what an absolute lie this is all about

00:51:45.480 party first party second party third that's what keir starmer is about and he's marshalling the the great

00:51:53.980 officers of state and the great institutions of state to that end he's marshalling them so that they learn

00:52:01.800 and know to prosecute anybody harshly who dares stand up against the state if you're simply you know

00:52:08.960 harming another member of the public well deal with it but not in the same way that you would deal with

00:52:14.960 offenses against the state that's where we're at with this current keir starmer he is a hateful 0.94

00:52:22.540 hateful maoist nut job he should be nowhere near power he should be known at nowhere near number 10 0.91

00:52:31.940 he's the by when i heard his first speech following the riots my heart sank because i don't think i've 0.95

00:52:39.700 ever heard a speech which was that divisive in recent history it you know you thought enoch powell was bad

00:52:47.920 that was worse and just to hammer that point home the final thing i wanted us to look at

00:52:53.640 is the fact that the two men jailed for the social media posts here um of course received 20 months

00:53:00.800 two asylum seekers who stole 25 000 pounds worth of rolexes in uh i believe a soho area i don't know

00:53:08.540 whether it's a shop or off of individuals they were allowed to walk free and it turns out that yes if you

00:53:14.960 are an asylum seeker you are provided more legal defenses in the british justice system than the

00:53:21.360 british people themselves that seems clear as day to me it is clear as day we've got to we've got

00:53:27.280 clear and obvious duty of justice and whilst i'm i don't want to excuse the riots in any way shape or

00:53:33.080 form but when riots took place in the 1970s and we had hardcore socialists commentating on it they

00:53:41.200 used to talk an awful lot about alienation all about white working class alienation they talked

00:53:46.360 about it in sociological terms and you know i was skeptical because i was never really i was never

00:53:51.980 very left-wing but at least we understood the socialist left-wing logic that these people were behaving badly

00:53:58.940 because they felt alienated why is skier starmer not affording the same thing to those who are behaving

00:54:06.700 badly right now why this he doesn't even he doesn't even consider the possibility that they feel

00:54:14.940 alienated from their own country that they feel alienated from their own future the concept of

00:54:20.780 alienation which is a solid marxist concept has been entirely lost in this starmerian version of

00:54:27.920 marxism because he knows the diagnosis his the diagnosis is that these are right-wing thugs who need to be

00:54:35.900 faced with the full extent of the law when he saw was what was going on with the black lives matter 1.00

00:54:41.120 protests to be fair he did condemn it but he only condemned the action he said the action was wrong

00:54:47.380 but the cause was noble that they shouldn't have torn down the statue in that way it should have been

00:54:52.040 torn down a different way so he was ascribing correctly actus reus the criminal act to what the blm

00:55:00.820 rioters did um down in bristol but then he gave them a massive mitigation when it came to their

00:55:06.940 state of mind these were good people doing a wrong thing when it comes to the current rioters these are

00:55:13.140 just bad bad people not alienated people not not products of a broken system but bad evil people who 0.51

00:55:20.680 have been infected by the right-wing virus which must be prosecuted crushed and off to the gulag with you 0.58

00:55:26.140 the whole sense of marxism and alienation he is not skier starmer is not a socialist he's a nazi 0.65

00:55:33.260 he's a national socialist is what he is i want to say that when it comes to alienation he definitely

00:55:40.880 thinks that some people shouldn't feel alienated i think that's that's his approach to the matter he

00:55:48.120 understands that people are not happy but he doesn't care and he just said no you shouldn't be

00:55:53.680 alienated that's right and that this is this is because i think largely i i will put this down to

00:55:58.160 his mindset as a prosecutor he's former director of public prosecution now when you're a prosecutor

00:56:03.460 it is not your job to reach across the aisle it is it it is your job to make the other side suffer 0.99

00:56:10.280 you've got to show a that they've committed a guilty act b that their mind is entirely corrupt

00:56:15.840 and they've got a guilty mind and c that there is no defense whatsoever so with that mindset of a

00:56:21.520 prosecutor that how he is how he is approaching government that's how he is approaching political

00:56:28.800 resistance so if he was to talk about alienation and disaffection all the rest of it then he would

00:56:34.720 be not doing the role of a prosecutor he would be doing the role of a social worker and he doesn't

00:56:38.860 want to do that keir starmer is a prosecutor and his his desire is to win and win fully and at all

00:56:45.000 costs and then to be as little mitigating mitigation as possible that's why he's so dangerous so we have

00:56:52.080 some comments before i move on to you i have time for once one comment on then about alienation just

00:56:58.120 because you mentioned the alienation and marxism i think that for people who are not drawn into

00:57:03.540 marxism and they want to find out by alienation adam smith is definitely the source and a lot of marxists

00:57:10.580 are taking ideas from adam smith and they're saying that they are just our ideas they're just not

00:57:15.540 crediting it just for the correcting the record a point for scottish enlightenment so um i had cared

00:57:22.700 more for locking up violent protesters if the state had gone after the grooming gangs with the same fervor

00:57:27.420 also um who the f is ala who the f does he think he is uh says someone um matt g hammond says are the

00:57:37.840 uk police leadership elected or appointed by the local council in the u.s many elected sheriffs

00:57:43.360 refused um covid lockdowns appointed city police commissioners did it without question um i believe

00:57:50.400 police leadership is usually not elected is it some of the oversight is yeah the the oversight's elected

00:57:57.040 but chief constables are not chief constables are um are appointed same as any chief executive

00:58:02.880 of board is appointed although it has to come with home secretary's approval

00:58:06.440 thanks for having uh harry on some great advice there we go yeah excellent um all right stelios

00:58:12.980 cheer us up a bit shall you right do you want to have a vasectomy that's right i'm asking you do

00:58:20.120 you want to have a vasectomy we have free vasectomies for everyone but you're gonna have to go to chicago 1.00

00:58:26.700 to the national democrat convention which is absolutely insane now let me just tell you there is planned

00:58:34.420 parenthood which is a sort of ng or an organization or something that is providing free vasectomies for

00:58:41.620 all men at the dnc and we have here eric elliott who is celebrating and saying this is a huge win

00:58:47.920 for all x y people and will help with climate change endangered species border security inflation

00:58:54.840 housing shortages and bring peace to the world and stuff so you're telling me left-wing is uh

00:59:02.100 choosing not to have children i don't know but would you say that vasectomies could also help with

00:59:08.100 two-tier justice system and policing i'm getting sure because i i i i had a i had a vasectomy

00:59:13.360 that is a snip right yeah yeah that's a snip yeah i had a vasectomy some years ago and um

00:59:18.200 it's been quite amazing because i've seen um you know peace break out everywhere i've gone and i've

00:59:24.140 just thought it was my charisma but clearly it's because i had my ball snipped that might be it

00:59:29.220 who knew the democrats here have a frida womb the inflatable intra-turing device and they just 1.00

00:59:40.260 have it there it's an 18 feet tall just to celebrate the dnc this is a perfectly normal expression of

00:59:48.200 political belief isn't it this is um as the commentator there points out that they're calling

00:59:53.800 jd vance trump's vp pick weird whilst having inflatable wombs outside of their convention

01:00:00.960 yeah because it's all about the the appearance i mean it it is relevant josh it has to be relevant

01:00:07.500 okay i don't even know what it is that i'm looking at it's is that explain it to me i don't know i think

01:00:18.660 this is the device in that p that doctors use to perform several oh that's the iud is it yeah

01:00:27.220 right okay right for some reason they thought it was a good idea to just have an 18 feet tall

01:00:33.360 device like that outside the national democrat convention right okay i'm getting it now yeah

01:00:39.300 bit weird that in it yeah so we have a lot of cogent arguments against christian street preachers

01:00:45.200 and i'm warning you i'm gonna play this and i think that we always need to listen to the

01:00:53.800 opposition because in listening to the opposition and listening to what the other side says we can

01:00:58.700 also improve our arguments look

01:01:02.200 well i for one feel like my arguments are improved now yes i don't know it's just around the dnc and

01:01:20.800 also within the dnc i'll show you both it's just we just have so many magical moments just

01:01:26.140 i mean look i spent four years at university studying psychology and even i'm sort of astonished

01:01:32.600 at this and what i love about these trans rights activists is that also logical and sane aren't they

01:01:38.120 yeah um yeah i mean how can you not agree with them when they come across with such compelling

01:01:42.920 arguments as going yeah it convinces me yeah yeah and also they are making some claims about

01:01:50.600 the sexual orientation of god but apparently we could also ask if they made the same kind of

01:01:59.180 comments about the god of another religion would they get such a treatment well allah yeah yeah yeah

01:02:06.560 i'd like to see them try if we suggested that allah was perhaps bisexual there might there might be a 0.87

01:02:11.640 bit of a kickoff by either so of course i'm not doing that but the reason i'm not doing that is

01:02:15.880 because i'm afraid to do that because there's a pretty good chance that i would get targeted i don't

01:02:19.400 want to talk in that's that's where we're at right but you you would expect that people from

01:02:25.200 palestine and people from the middle east would be particularly uh friends of the lgbtq lobby

01:02:32.860 wouldn't wouldn't you i mean last time i checked that was what the democrats were trying to tell us

01:02:37.360 as you know saudi arabia and and um and that area is notoriously gay friendly they show it's basically 0.74

01:02:44.340 a mecca for gay people they shout it from the rooftops don't they yeah 0.91

01:02:48.060 no they throw you from the rooftops i think that's what i'm saying yeah yeah so here we 0.99

01:02:53.100 we have uh protests outside the dnc and this in this case we have a lot of leftists actually

01:03:00.000 protesting against biden and kamala harris and they're joined together with lgbtq flag with pride

01:03:06.900 flags and also with palestinian flags just you can't make this up we have here also fatis against

01:03:14.860 fascism joining the pro-palestine they've rolled in the tank division exactly shouting that uh

01:03:22.400 uh palestine will be free you see them here 1.00

01:03:25.500 it's like baron harcon and from dune is joining the the free palestine protest or something

01:03:37.580 here we have a lot of hatred against the police and there are also further questions as to whether

01:03:45.040 such kind of hatred would be allowed if the people who displayed it weren't people from these 0.99

01:03:51.620 communities we have people who are constantly shaming police officers and they're saying shame 0.99

01:03:56.900 on you pig and f you pig but apparently there's nothing to be done about it that's not a hate 0.99

01:04:03.560 crime in the eyes of leftists 0.99

01:04:05.000 and we have also people who are saying a lot of stuff we they are breaking the fence now let me

01:04:14.580 just show you this what is interesting is that as a lot of people have pointed out the democrats

01:04:20.340 aren't in favor of the requirement of an id for voting but they are in favor of the requirement of an id

01:04:26.800 for entering the dnc the the democrat national committee and uh that is interesting because

01:04:33.940 they have a miles of fences around the i thought they didn't like borders

01:04:38.020 well depends who is being left out it's funny that so the pro-palestine protesters and the lgbtq

01:04:48.520 crowd that is joining them and also the fatis against fascism that are joining them are trying to

01:04:53.560 destroy the fence and go in and hijack the dnc and basically saying that kamala harris and joe biden

01:05:00.040 are war criminals and stuff like that so it's very peaceful now here we have a piece of very very

01:05:07.340 advanced leftist logic i don't know where we can find these arguments but they are really saying

01:05:13.260 reproductive justice means palestinian liberation now you understand what this is supposed to mean

01:05:19.760 uh i i don't quite understand the link between the two so it's just a word salad isn't it it means

01:05:27.020 there's there's no possible logical meaning attached to that at all reproductive justice i don't even 0.86

01:05:33.720 know what that is but it certainly does not equate to palestinian liberation it it cannot do that you

01:05:40.360 get a mathematician to write that down as a piece of algebra uh you'd be getting zero points for that

01:05:45.820 because it can't possibly hold true it's simple but i'll tell you what is it math is racist yeah

01:05:50.960 well of course math's racist oh yeah yeah i forgot about that i forgot about that but it's quite

01:05:55.160 interesting though isn't it how how the pro-palestinian lot seem to get absolutely everywhere

01:06:01.580 and have a complete and utter pass to do that i don't know why they're not seen as the far right

01:06:08.520 i don't know why they're not seen as dangerous pro-terrorists i don't get that again i don't

01:06:15.560 understand how you can you you you you can condemn some symbolism and give other symbolism as pass for

01:06:22.420 instance the judge who let off those two um those those two uh rioters protesters um because they were

01:06:28.980 carrying they were they were carrying the symbols of the um the parachutists from the october the 7th

01:06:35.740 um massacre that that that the the church let the church let them off just let them off why why

01:06:44.040 because if you're woke it seems like you are pro-palestinian yeah and i don't understand why

01:06:51.300 why being woke equals being pro-palestinian why being left equals being pro-palestinian i don't

01:06:56.980 understand how these pro-palestinian nutters terrorists terrorist sympathizers terrorist supporters

01:07:04.260 they get in absolutely everywhere just a few weeks ago i was at a pride march in newcastle and

01:07:11.760 the chief constable of northumbria was marching behind people chanting from the river to the sea

01:07:17.920 palestine shall be free and intifada riot and all this sort of stuff a chief constable marching behind

01:07:24.380 them how does that happen can you imagine her at a tommy robinson rally

01:07:28.260 can you imagine that it's not gonna happen is it well this sort of thing just has no place in

01:07:34.840 the west we've got no involvement with it really you know perhaps in the united states they are at

01:07:41.460 least sending a lot of weapons to israel so there's a bit more legitimacy there but this still goes on

01:07:46.300 in in britain and other european countries as well which goes to show you know we have no involvement

01:07:51.080 whatsoever with the conflict it's going to go on anyway and it's just signaling so i no no no i agree

01:07:56.680 with you and i wanted to say that ultimately when they make pronouncements such as these what they

01:08:01.240 mean is unless we get everything we want we get nothing and we are victims and victims require extra

01:08:07.440 protection or are in a position where they have to defend themselves and anything they're doing will

01:08:13.160 be seen as self-defense being done in self-defense yeah it's a state of perpetual victimhood they don't

01:08:18.720 want to win because then they'd have nothing to moan about that's that that's the problem and i can't

01:08:22.640 believe that i cannot believe that the the democrats have fallen for this you know the democrats used to

01:08:27.140 be quite intelligent once upon a time yeah um but but not any longer they fall for all of it exactly

01:08:34.400 here we have something that is really interesting and very considerate on the on behalf of democrats we

01:08:40.980 have a gender neutral praying room within the convention we can play this here i don't know if that

01:08:49.560 makes sense does it make sense no you might have to uh just pan through the dragging the the video

01:08:56.160 across because we have some technical difficulties but you can just see here gender neutral praying

01:09:01.480 room yes let us refresh refresh it oh there we go there we go these prayer mats there gender neutral

01:09:10.380 so it's interesting as well that they've got islamic prayer yeah prayer mats there

01:09:17.680 just open it here

01:09:21.640 maybe it's for the if someone is of that faith and also has an lgbtq

01:09:29.780 uh orientation or something i'm sure it's for non-binary buddhists 0.99

01:09:34.120 maybe what what what what are we even looking at i mean what's it again what is a gender neutral

01:09:42.680 islamic prayer room have they de-sexed allah is god is god no is their god no longer the sort of 0.72

01:09:50.920 strong man uh the spoken about by muhammad the interesting thing that they've conceded here is

01:09:56.700 that in most other prayer rooms women are not allowed in the same room as the men and same in 0.93

01:10:01.380 mosques as well there are specific prayer rooms for women and men and they're not allowed to mix so

01:10:06.120 that the fact they've got a gender neutral islamic prayer room is actually um quite controversial in

01:10:13.620 a sense i mean it's it's the democrats who did it okay here we have most free palestine protester

01:10:20.460 taking the stage shouting palestine will be free all the time um john fetterman here senator john

01:10:27.300 fetterman said that he would skip the convention because he can't handle it he cannot handle uh looking

01:10:34.060 at the anti-israel madness i have to say i don't understand his position because he's supposed to

01:10:40.060 be a politician he's supposed to argue for his views so he should be at the convention and he should

01:10:45.440 make his his points uh here we have a very animated randy weingarten at the dnc she's on stage and

01:10:54.320 raging and screeching or jumping up and down talking about kamala harris and how she's needed

01:11:01.160 she resembles some figures from the mid 20th century with a kind of pattern and vigor she's

01:11:06.820 i don't remember them being quite so flamboyant but there we go no but they are trying to over

01:11:11.700 compensate for the tired image of biden for the last years and now we have a very funny thread you

01:11:21.040 can check here from vigilant fox who's talking about 10 most embarrassing moments at the dnc

01:11:27.080 and i want to show you two one is biden talking about women not having electrical power

01:11:32.900 what his decision over turning roe v wade that you heard earlier tonight the united states supreme

01:11:39.800 court majority wrote the following quote women are not without electrical without not allowed 1.00

01:11:47.940 there's not without electoral electoral or political maybe i don't know there needs to be

01:11:56.460 an energy a new energy policy for women and here we have the stunning some random state senator says 1.00

01:12:04.700 that trump could even weaponize the department of justice to go after his political opponents

01:12:10.320 oh that would be imagine the authoritarianism yeah it would be awful if you know say the democrats did

01:12:16.400 that wouldn't it yeah that would be authoritarianism wouldn't it be it would yeah i mean if they get

01:12:20.840 into power and they meet with kirsten i'm pretty sure that will be on the list yeah right here we have

01:12:27.140 uh joe biden saying that there were fewer border crossings today than when donald trump left office

01:12:34.580 which even the the government data disputes it disputes his own data the government's data is

01:12:41.480 disputing his claims that he also disputes it because he says something else just listen

01:12:46.800 let me refresh it is just delicious i wouldn't be surprised if that was just him normally

01:12:54.980 just pausing there at the podium yeah how can you tell you

01:12:57.780 you just said camera and i are committed to strengthening illegal immigration

01:13:08.940 well that was a great freudian slip there wasn't it i think what is it a million a year now 0.94

01:13:14.760 illegal so we think we have it bad in the uk but in america it's ridiculous no idea it's just you 0.72

01:13:21.620 know it's just that there are so many funny moments and here i want you to listen to a

01:13:27.640 union leader who has a very nice voice by the way and she's essentially promising 0.97

01:13:36.300 darth labor dark labor i thought you said darth vader then

01:13:40.900 yes exactly after order 66 let's build a death star are they

01:13:46.740 i am april barrett and i am the president of seiu representing two million service and care workers

01:13:58.840 we're all in for kamala harris because kamala harris has always been all in for us

01:14:09.980 vice president harris joined fast food workers on the picket line and she walks a day in the shoes of a home care worker 0.83

01:14:20.640 she shares our vision for a modern day labor movement a movement that meets the needs of workers in the 21st century

01:14:31.720 and an economy that is ready for the future

01:14:35.180 it is going to be together that we write new rules to make it easier for all workers to join a union

01:14:44.580 no you have to listen and we y'all we are going to build a younger darker hipper fresher sneaker wearing labor movement

01:14:56.180 can't wait can't wait can you uh play play some nails on a chalkboard so i can just sort of palate cleanse my ears there

01:15:04.740 yeah what does she mean when she's saying to make a darker hipper sneaker wearing labor movement 1.00

01:15:10.580 well i i think we take her at a word i think that's exactly what she wants i think that she wants a world that is run by precisely 0.97

01:15:17.380 that sort of that sort of people to bring in this this brave new world of complete and utter crap

01:15:24.740 yeah and we see though how the working class is treated here by starmer's government

01:15:29.840 that it's supposed to be the new and forward-looking labor movement that is supposed to express the working classes

01:15:36.100 oh the the the the labor the labor movement in this country has hated the um the working class

01:15:41.740 for a a long long time what what they're doing they've they've reimagined the white working class 0.54

01:15:47.880 as um as basically a necessary evil i think if they could i honestly think that if they could turn back time

01:15:56.340 and that they could uh repeal the the 20 the 1918 act that gave people the vote non-landowners the vote

01:16:04.940 i think that they would do that uh because they they they believe in democracy as a concept

01:16:11.480 providing it's not used by the wrong people and the whites working class are definitely the wrong 0.88

01:16:19.000 people we want them to have the vote in theory providing that they don't use it they they are they

01:16:26.140 are to borrow from um hillary clinton um they're a basket of deplorables that's what they are and if 0.86

01:16:34.740 only we could if only the government had the balls to to repeal that act and take away their vote then

01:16:42.820 we wouldn't have the awful problem of brexit we wouldn't have the awful problem of the occasional 0.92

01:16:48.340 tory landslide and we wouldn't have the awful problem of of people being peed off because their

01:16:55.240 vote doesn't seem to count well let's stop it counting let's stop it counting let's put these people back

01:17:02.540 in their box let's put them back in their place and let's just have the the elites the land-owning 1.00

01:17:09.700 elites the liberal elites those who have a higher degree let them be the ones who have the suffrage

01:17:17.200 and let the rest provide services as amazon drivers as plumbers as electricians as gardeners but my god

01:17:25.680 don't let them anywhere near the serious business of voting that's what keir starmer would say

01:17:31.120 were he honest exactly yeah and uh what is something that we need to add here is that

01:17:37.660 especially keir starmer and a lot of the new woke leftists they're constantly using terms like far

01:17:43.860 right and racist well it's true the democrats in america as well and yeah and everything that can

01:17:48.700 be said about you know the white working classes can be translated quite nicely to them voting for

01:17:55.120 donald trump you know you can remove the word brexit brexit and say voting for trump and it is the same

01:18:01.740 thing it's going on across both sides of the atlantic isn't it but i think that when it comes to finding

01:18:07.920 out how the notion of racism is used i think i had a breakthrough today some welsh librarians had a

01:18:14.680 breakthrough and they said basically that people should avoid meeting in racist buildings

01:18:19.140 i hate it when buildings are racist they are aren't they yeah they have eyes and ears and as i wrote

01:18:26.060 bad intentions yeah we need to protect people from the sexist racist male gaze of the white walls

01:18:32.880 so what's the example of this racist building they say stuff will be instructed in critical whiteness

01:18:37.780 studies and dealing with a dominant paradigm of whiteness

01:18:40.520 what in creating beautiful libraries yeah beautiful libraries are going to be we've got to make libraries

01:18:47.560 really ugly because and have no books and yeah i mean bring back brutalism is what i say burn the books

01:18:54.940 and bring back brutalism that's then everything will be fine won't it you know i just i i'm i'm so far

01:19:01.320 past caring about being called a racist i honestly i honestly don't care i know i'm not a racist absolutely

01:19:07.900 not a racist but i'll tell you what i'm definitely culturalist because there are some cultures which

01:19:12.740 i admire that there are some cultures that i am proud to be a part of and there are some cultures

01:19:17.080 which i bloody well abhor and loathe and i don't want them i don't want them here if they if they do

01:19:22.460 come here i want them to be only here on the condition that they are subject to british law and our way 0.98

01:19:28.420 of life otherwise bugger off

01:19:30.520 well yeah that's me ranting again isn't it sorry no it's it's very inspiring

01:19:37.800 right i think you've got some uh comments yeah let's read the comments

01:19:42.980 let's be honest the vasectomies are a great idea no sane person wants democrat voters breeding

01:19:50.200 that's what i was alluding to dog breath the third thank you interesting name as well okay

01:19:58.020 jossie angels cheers samson thanks for the heads up and for making the pub quiz most entertaining

01:20:03.520 oh there we go you shouldn't have given a heads up before i played the video

01:20:07.600 that was the whole idea um not just a string an important lesson is that mockery is a main tool

01:20:16.100 to expose the emperor starmer's ideology has no clothes or merit memes jokes and pointing a mirror

01:20:22.340 at the people flying their best to rule you trying their best to rule you absolutely that was uh what

01:20:28.800 i was talking about um last week wasn't it that actually using humor against uh and memes and even

01:20:35.960 just sometimes screenshotting an article that speaks for itself like um that there were people

01:20:43.720 sharing articles of um what was it um just screenshots the only one i can remember is the

01:20:48.780 most controversial one but i suppose you know where when this isn't going to youtube anymore but

01:20:53.680 there was one where it was just like after um was it 30 years of majority rule in south africa why is

01:21:00.660 everything not working which i i thought people were just sharing that to say well maybe you know

01:21:06.740 things aren't going well in south africa because of that right and you you can share the individual

01:21:11.500 article itself with no commentary whatsoever and allow it to speak for itself and you can get your

01:21:17.220 political message across and not be asserting anything and there's nothing that can be done

01:21:21.700 to prosecute you because you're sharing uh state approved stuff but when it's removed from its

01:21:27.640 original context as a news article and being shared around people think oh hang on a minute

01:21:31.400 i need to view this with a fresh pair of eyes why is someone sharing this

01:21:34.820 and um that is always very very powerful but um should we read some comments of course do we have

01:21:41.600 videos or not for today um i don't think so we've not got too much time um it is also worth

01:21:49.200 mentioning i don't know whether i mentioned it in the um announcements but i'll say it now

01:21:53.600 um thank you very much um to russian garbage human for sending in all the biscuits um we also 0.95

01:22:00.340 have a clock which we can see but you can't see and also we have a fly swatter in the studio now

01:22:07.620 which samson's very happy about it'll probably use it to discipline the presenters but um we'll have

01:22:13.260 to see but anyway um onto the written comments could we swap the far left with that do you think

01:22:20.740 that would be a crime wouldn't it yeah oh yeah far left swatting

01:22:24.480 no it's okay um so russian garbage human says harry yes glad to see him back always a quality 0.91

01:22:35.080 guest well thank you very much indeed um functioning society appreciator says uh great to see harry 0.93

01:22:40.720 speak so insightful there we go well there we go what can i say sergeant your ego here i'm all for

01:22:46.360 that fans knight says it's great to see harry on the podcast again his insights are always interesting

01:22:49.720 and appreciated blimey this is getting a bit much isn't it um excellent episode today guys always

01:22:55.100 appreciate seeing harry on great insights and great takes um josh the jew uh henson uh hend uh hendon

01:23:02.280 sorry i can't read or speak it's been a while i've been on holiday uh reform candidate says hi harry

01:23:07.560 it was great to hear you on ali mirage the other week and even better have you on load seaters today

01:23:12.520 thank you very much okay so for the first segment um screw tape lasers says uh it's good to hear

01:23:19.960 lotus seaters discussing strategies for fighting back it's time the uk and america too that's very

01:23:24.880 true and i think that actually just talking about well they're persecuting us what you know isn't it

01:23:30.020 terrible they shouldn't be doing it and then doing nothing no i agree if you if you can think back to

01:23:36.240 or was it just over a year ago uh the the famous lesbian nan oh yeah yeah i covered that actually

01:23:43.080 yeah yeah yeah the great lesbian nan interview where where where the girl was arrested because 0.99

01:23:48.100 she'd said to the police officer you look like my nan and she's a lesbian um and uh the the police 1.00

01:23:53.600 officer was so affronted by this that she arrested uh the girl i wrote an article for the critic

01:23:58.860 um and i said that that police officer should have been prosecuted for kidnap uh and i stand by that

01:24:07.340 because in any other in any other instance if you'd broken into somebody's house if you had taken them

01:24:15.300 away against their will if you had confined them and then placed conditions upon their release

01:24:21.120 that action fulfills the conditions necessary for kidnap why are we not prosecuting

01:24:28.840 the police for kidnap when if you did that as a regular member of the public they would prosecute

01:24:35.500 you for it and that's what i mean by fighting back it's not enough it used to be enough to say

01:24:41.420 yippee i got off with it i showed them but you didn't really show them did you you only show them

01:24:47.500 when we turn the tables and go i'm just going to remind you that the police are the public and the

01:24:53.400 public are the police and we aren't you used your illegitimate power against us and we are now going

01:25:00.280 to use our legitimate power against you so you get in the back of the van you get taken down to the

01:25:06.220 dock you get prosecuted and we're going to throw that at you that's what i mean about resistance what i

01:25:12.160 found absolutely harrowing in just just a sentence was how the other police officers were i'm very casual

01:25:18.660 about it they were just very calm and they just yeah our colleague got offended it's because they

01:25:24.520 don't know they don't know like i said before they are so low on law they are so they are so lacking

01:25:31.120 in understanding of the law and i don't blame the individual officers for this i blame the college of

01:25:37.500 policing i blame the chief constable i believe blame anybody who is above the rank of chief inspector

01:25:43.420 because it's your job to make your constables understand that we are here to enforce the law

01:25:51.120 not to enforce a political ideology and not to scare the living daylights out of people who commit wrong

01:25:58.100 thing wrong speak wrong expression etc that's the problem and we can only put them back in their box

01:26:04.660 by active smart resistance and that's what i'm all about active smart resistance it would help if the

01:26:12.780 police and crime commissioners who are in fact elected would do their job and start sacking chief

01:26:18.120 constables that would be really useful and really helpful if they did that but by and large other

01:26:25.340 than a few the cowards so jghw says remember the police covered up jimmy savile the catholic child 0.97

01:26:33.920 rapist priests anglican child rapist priests pakistani oh blimey this is heavy um they actively supported 0.99

01:26:39.480 jihadis including those at finsbury park mosque when the 77 attack happened they had to come up 0.99

01:26:44.000 with excuses to not arrest them which is why they lied and said it would compromise sources and methods

01:26:49.800 the police also went along with the cover-up of the murder of dr david kelly a good man who served

01:26:54.840 our country honorably yes there's obviously been lots of examples in in british history of of the

01:27:01.900 police not doing their job and it's not necessarily a new thing but i think the nature of policing today

01:27:07.780 is sort of a different phenomenon of these historic oversights i think that there is an institution

01:27:15.400 wide thing whereas these um perhaps were were blips in a better time i i don't know how you

01:27:21.600 no i i i agree i think back particularly to um uh to the miners strike and particularly uh the the battle

01:27:28.300 of the of orgrave uh where the police were they'd been ideologically adopted by um the thatcher

01:27:36.180 government um and that was wrong that that was wrong no government should align itself with a police

01:27:43.500 force it should support the police should be there to uphold the law uphold the rule of law uh to

01:27:49.360 uphold the peace to keep you know to keep keep the queen's peace the king's peace what have you

01:27:52.700 and the second there starts to be the perception that they that the police have become the tool

01:27:59.340 of a government whether that's a thatcher right government or a starmerist government then we all

01:28:05.680 need to start worrying because it's wrong the preservation of the separation of powers is something that

01:28:12.400 is very dear to my heart and it should be dear to all our hearts because it is the basis

01:28:16.060 it's the basis of our freedom i couldn't agree with you more because i'm trying to express this

01:28:22.420 but i haven't done so as eloquently as you have so on the justice system segment um alex has a

01:28:30.840 little bit of pushback for you saying the suggestion that the uk's legal system is a world leader is

01:28:34.960 ludicrous we are a laughing stock we simply not that's just that's just not the case you might be

01:28:40.900 laughing at it but the rest of the world uh takes our examples and tries to follow it that's just a

01:28:45.980 that's just a simple fact case law in britain is cited right across the world that is simply

01:28:51.880 objective fact kevin fox says the judiciary and police are just trying to catch up with the

01:28:57.180 military you are guilty unless we let you um prove otherwise which is you know seemingly relatively

01:29:04.940 fair enough to say about the police these days because particularly of the the officers themselves

01:29:10.080 i think yeah i must make that distinction i am very much in favor of police officers if you're if

01:29:16.500 you're from you know chief inspector down then we have absolutely got your back it's from chief

01:29:22.900 it's sort of from chief inspector up superintendents they then become political and um i don't really

01:29:29.380 hold i don't hold to account the rank and file police in the same way that i do the police chiefs

01:29:35.480 because i know that many rank and file officers are getting it wrong because they've been they've

01:29:40.500 been instructed very very badly and we know that ignorance is not an excuse and we know that the

01:29:47.360 that the defense of i was just obeying orders doesn't wash but it does wash a little bit it does

01:29:52.420 the fact of the matter is it does if you're a lowly police constable and your chief constable and

01:29:58.400 superintendents and the rank are telling you to do it in a certain way you're going to do it in that

01:30:03.360 way it's as simple as that and i don't hold you responsible so one final uh comment from my segment

01:30:10.060 before going to yours studios um eloise says seems liberal interpretations of sentencing guidelines

01:30:15.360 we'll see the migrants minority with special status in um previous grievance of hardships

01:30:21.140 as needing higher care concern and somehow having less agency re ignorance of the laws so an automatic

01:30:28.240 mitigating factor but it seems sentencing for natives re facebook posts doesn't afford the same level of

01:30:34.780 mitigating factors re ignorance of the law or how you're um supposed to express yourself obvious

01:30:42.240 inconsistency that seems entirely uncontroversial to me yes um that is this how particularly how

01:30:50.580 the media the left and even prosecutors these days talk about people from minority communities

01:30:56.560 they talk about them like they don't have agency like they

01:30:59.540 and it's a really quite dehumanizing way of talking about people really if you think about it

01:31:06.440 but then as soon as it comes to the native british all of a sudden we're responsible for our crimes

01:31:11.740 and we're granted the rank of having agency all of a sudden but of course having agency or not

01:31:18.800 doesn't necessarily determine your capability to commit violent crime in the future so it still doesn't

01:31:24.480 matter about preventing crime if if one of the aspects of justice is preventing crime

01:31:30.060 well having someone that doesn't even view themselves as having agency perhaps

01:31:34.980 it doesn't really make a difference if it's their capacity to commit crime in the first place i think

01:31:40.120 i agree right andrew cooper says whatever degeneracy doom and despair courses through the world

01:31:46.620 somehow stelios always manages to brighten up the day

01:31:49.800 thank you very much andrew yeah you thrive off of it don't you stelios not exactly it's just i think

01:31:56.600 that it's it's a coping mechanism disorder and that's i mean that's the whole thing we're doing

01:32:01.700 here it's more like a family feeling we're talking about very difficult stuff we need to all make it

01:32:07.380 bearable somehow it's black humor isn't it colin p it's the kind of humor that we would be punished

01:32:13.200 by wokery for colin p i do love the idea that the democrats are offering population reductions

01:32:19.400 measures to their own supporters i'm sure those political opinions will carry on to the next

01:32:25.160 generation oh wait and sexy jess phillips writes removing excuse me yeah that's the name of the

01:32:34.400 account removing their genes from the gene pool good i think the problem with uh leftism and wokery i

01:32:43.160 think though is that it's not about giving birth to leftists it's converting those who have already

01:32:49.260 been born yes so i don't think i don't think that this would solve well that's why they're fighting so

01:32:55.720 hard to capture education in the united states isn't it that they want dominion over other people's 0.99

01:33:00.760 children because they're not necessarily having their own yeah yeah and uh michael driblebis i was 0.97

01:33:06.860 going to say vasectom is for democrats leftists don't have balls anyway what are they snipping 0.97

01:33:12.740 they're already nutless why not go all the way and get well there seems to be a running theme 0.99

01:33:20.740 throughout the comments here yes okay um well i think we're pretty much out of time aren't we so um

01:33:27.640 thank you very much for coming down thank you it's been a pleasure i've really enjoyed it i love your show

01:33:32.400 and uh thank you very much for watching and make sure to tune in same time tomorrow thank you very much

01:33:38.280 and goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 20, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #982

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