The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #989

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for the 29th is

00:00:13.480 is it the 29th yeah of august the days will blow into one for me right

00:00:18.320 fancy new calendar shows it does the 29th of august 2024 i'm joined by calvin and zuby

00:00:24.180 what's up man ah not well i mean a lot a lot actually but you know personally everything's

00:00:29.660 going great so you know how are you i'm doing great man blessed and highly favored as always

00:00:33.300 life is good you know me always optimistic always positive incredibly sharply dressed whatever's

00:00:37.440 going on thank you to point out that's a gorgeous suit thank you man and i've taken a recent interest

00:00:41.640 in suits next to calvin uh because he's like stop dressing scruffily actually i think um but today

00:00:49.160 we're going to be talking about how uh everything is getting banned uh how england is becoming a

00:00:53.660 much more dangerous place and how the person in charge of all this actually seems to be a robot

00:00:59.020 who doesn't have an inner monologue from his own words yeah it's quite worrying uh anyway um after

00:01:06.460 the podcast of course go and watch calvin's common sense crusade where he'll be talking to

00:01:10.660 nick and sony nick coney nick coney who's the current leader of ukip and you are the uh speaker of i am

00:01:18.060 the lead spokesman of these spokesmen oh wow yes yes i didn't know that i figured i couldn't find

00:01:22.320 anyone to vote for in the last general election so why not stand myself definitely uh something to

00:01:28.260 be thought about there isn't it what's happening with ukip these days i don't i i'm i'm getting

00:01:33.280 lost with the political parties obviously faraj destroyed it yeah but after that the legacy still

00:01:37.940 remains the name is still there so nick tenconi has essentially taken over invited me in and is

00:01:42.700 kind of inviting anyone on the right of politics who wants to make a difference and wants to make

00:01:46.360 britain britain again yeah interesting well with that let's begin all right

00:01:52.320 this is kind of breaking news actually we've got government looking at tougher outdoor smoking

00:01:57.980 rules this morning this was just speculation but as we go on air this is actually the government have

00:02:02.620 confirmed that this is what they're trying to do they want to ban smoking even further than it's

00:02:07.780 already banned so just a quick summary uh a few years ago was it the conservatives that banned smoking

00:02:13.200 in pubs they banned smoking in enclosed public places and workplaces yeah so 2007 in yeah northern

00:02:20.060 oh that was labeling right so yeah you you could normally in the before times i'm older enough to

00:02:25.400 remember uh you would go into a pub and it'd you know stink of tobacco because everyone's smoking in

00:02:29.860 there um and i could understand the reason for banning it inside the pubs like okay but if only half

00:02:34.740 the people in the pub smoke whatever that's a lot of people who would otherwise want to go in who

00:02:38.320 don't want to go in because it isn't pleasant so go outside and have a cigarette okay fair enough you

00:02:42.100 know i don't like it but i can understand it but even then i don't understand it i've never smoked

00:02:46.520 cigarettes at least sure i've never even tried one however it's people's right to choose to smoke or

00:02:52.600 not and it's surely the venue's right to choose whether they want people to smoke in their venue

00:02:56.760 or not now that was always my opinion on right well can we not have smoking and non-smoking pubs

00:03:01.080 and let the markets absolutely uh not according to the labor government of course it has to be one

00:03:06.560 rule for everyone uh but but this is preposterous like okay well it was sold okay well it's you know

00:03:11.980 bad for us blah blah blah yeah okay in an enclosed environment sure but i'm outdoors now right what

00:03:17.880 what are the rules they're looking to change in terms of outdoors this is what they're looking to

00:03:21.060 change i'm smoking in pub gardens outside nightclubs restaurant terraces outside sports stadiums

00:03:27.980 children's parks pavements by universities and hospitals and shisha bars the last one is the

00:03:32.620 confusing one right right how do you ban smoking in a shisha bar they just don't want you to have fun 1.00

00:03:38.080 yeah they're targeting the fun aspects of life yeah i enjoy smoking or people who are addicted to

00:03:42.900 smoking have to find spaces outdoor to smoke because they're not allowed to smoke indoors now

00:03:46.200 and now they're saying they're going to ban the outdoor spaces too i have really mixed feelings on

00:03:50.880 this right i thought you might as i do i do so i yeah i freaking hate smoking like yourself i've never 0.71

00:03:57.160 tried a cigarette was never even remotely tempted it smells disgusting it does have a serious 0.83

00:04:01.440 secondhand effect so it's not something that's just as simple as it only affects the user that is

00:04:06.780 for sure at the same time i have strong libertarian instincts and genuine concerns about increasing

00:04:14.360 maybe if this was a government that i was totally convinced genuinely cares about the population and

00:04:19.500 their well-being and their health then i'd see something more like this and be more okay fair fair

00:04:24.040 enough you know they're maybe it's a bit heavy-handed but they genuinely care about people but i know they

00:04:28.480 genuinely do not yeah and so what do you think the motivation is behind this just increased control

00:04:33.500 honestly increased control i just think a government as an entity i don't know how many times i i had

00:04:40.040 this conversation with people during from 2020 to 2022 yeah um you know multiple aspects the first

00:04:46.720 thing is that if the government truly cared about public health the things that they would be

00:04:50.400 targeting and restriction if they were going to use their power right would be very different

00:04:55.940 the mandates would be rather different to what they're targeting um and so i just think as a

00:05:03.380 government in general it doesn't even matter the country its job is to grow and to control things

00:05:09.380 and governments always tend to increase in size and scope just like companies are always seeking to

00:05:16.020 increase their profits especially if they're public companies so if someone's wondering why is that

00:05:20.540 company doing that thing it's probably to make more money pretty good guess when a government is doing

00:05:25.420 something it's normally to gain or control people more um and the only thing that reasonable people

00:05:36.220 will trade their freedom and liberty for is a sense of safety and security um and so if you can sell

00:05:43.720 something under the banner of well it's for your own good it's for it's for your health it's for public

00:05:47.900 health then people are generally going to fall in line because you know as i bear the brunt of a lot for

00:05:52.880 many years you know who wants to be the person who is standing against public health in the way

00:05:57.240 people perceive it it's not a fun position to be in no i'm not a libertarian but i'm a conservative

00:06:01.720 but i think we share the same perspective here that a government should be small yes protect the

00:06:05.360 borders provide a basic safety net but other than that it should keep its hands out of our pockets and 1.00

00:06:10.280 out of our lives i'm not i'm not a full libertarian either i sit somewhere i'm like a

00:06:14.840 i'm i'm a sort of libertarian leaning conservative or conservative leaning libertarian however someone wants to put it

00:06:21.840 there are valuable aspects to libertarianism yeah i'm not a libertarian no i can go too far and you

00:06:26.500 know i've really seen this i travel all the time as you guys know so i've been to so many countries

00:06:31.300 and so many cities and you have the things that are theoretical and which might sound okay that sort

00:06:36.880 of makes sense like a lot a true libertarian position is that decriminalize all drugs it's

00:06:41.780 hard okay yeah um i have lived in places where drugs even including alcohol are totally criminalized

00:06:47.700 right i grew up in saudi arabia i now live in the uae it freaking works it works what does it do

00:06:54.860 destroy your fun yes but it also means that you don't have drug addicts and alcoholics yeah have

00:07:01.780 you been to san francisco have you been to ls have you been that's not alcohol is it no that no that's

00:07:07.360 not that one's not alcohol but i'm talking about the full yeah the sweet the full libertarian idea of

00:07:11.760 decriminalize all drugs which on paper i can understand the argument of yeah the government

00:07:15.780 shouldn't be telling you what to put in your body and what whether if you want to smoke if you want

00:07:20.020 to drink whatever and someone can easily take that further to to cannabis to cocaine to heroin you can

00:07:25.100 take it wherever you want and then you see the effects of it in real time and it's like yeah okay

00:07:29.640 this is horrible um i i remember literally going from you can fly direct between dubai and san francisco

00:07:36.480 so after i remember last year after i did my interview with elon so i've been i was literally in san

00:07:41.820 francisco for a few days walking around the tenderloin downtown i just there seeing it smelling

00:07:47.220 it everything right uh not for the first time either and then 24 hours later i'm in dubai and

00:07:53.660 everything is completely clean and pristine and like all of this and it's like okay on paper

00:07:59.920 this is more authoritarian quote unquote yeah and that is more libertarian people on paper in certain

00:08:10.180 ways have more freedom but at the same time people are afraid to go outside yeah over there people

00:08:14.300 are afraid to walk down the street with their children people are afraid to want to anyway exactly

00:08:17.720 people are slaves to their addictions and to their sins and then i'm somewhere else where it's like

00:08:22.140 okay someone could argue that the government is um more heavy-handed and regulating these things

00:08:26.920 for sure but in a sense you're more free it's like oh i can wear my nice watch down the street here

00:08:32.780 i don't need to hide it away in my hotel room i want to have a great big fat steak i want to have a

00:08:37.500 cigar afterwards with a glass of whiskey and i want to because i want to and someone wants to do

00:08:43.060 their fentanyl and sniff their cocaine but you have to draw a line somewhere and sure the rule we've

00:08:47.900 had in this country since it began was all good things in moderation we would say that fentanyl and

00:08:52.400 crack cocaine are not good things so we wouldn't even moderate what do you think about cannabis

00:08:55.660 and i would say that's not a good thing but tobacco and alcohol we've always we've always this is

00:09:00.140 interesting because i i've never smoked weed right i don't drink alcohol and i don't smoke cigarettes

00:09:04.140 but i would objectively say that alcohol and tobacco are worse than cannabis in what way

00:09:09.920 how many people have died from cannabis well their effect on society a lot i think i mean

00:09:15.200 millions of people every year millions objectively die from cigarettes and alcohol i'm not here even

00:09:22.220 saying weed is good no no death isn't the only measure that this is over overdoses the impact but

00:09:27.620 the alcohol alcohol and tobacco the effect on society like i know people in britain like to drink

00:09:33.220 and i'm not i'm not a big drinker i'm not saying i'm not here saying ban alcohol but

00:09:37.820 it's not like you're saying no but the impact on the individual and on society of alcohol consumption

00:09:44.680 is enormous i don't even know the cost of the nhs and you know the equivalent and other nations i'll

00:09:50.460 get to it on the point of tobacco later but i think you know again i have zero interest in weed i've

00:09:56.000 been to places again where it's totally legal everything i hate the smell of it i'm walking around

00:09:59.760 nevada la whatever i don't like i don't i don't like it i'm not i'm not here again i'm not but i

00:10:05.240 find it hard to say that um but but weed stifles creation anywhere that there are mass weed smokers

00:10:12.700 like it's a lazy lethargic society where nothing happens alcohol all the best creators throughout

00:10:17.400 history have smoked and drank in moderation all of them all the best the best musicians in the world

00:10:23.240 this wasn't meant to turn into a debate

00:10:26.980 let's go back to where it started 2007 the the labor government banned smoking in public places

00:10:35.400 now the conservative government came in they could have undid this they could have said we're a party

00:10:39.920 for freedom we believe in people's liberties well they could have modified it in a sensible way again

00:10:43.360 this is very much one size for everyone rather than this could be a smoking pub this could be a

00:10:47.300 non-smoking pub yeah what they what they did instead was enhanced it in 2015 they said we're

00:10:52.940 creating a smoke-free generation and tackling youth vaping essentially they said the next generation will

00:10:58.500 never have a legal opportunity to smoke and that's why there are no vaping shops all over the country

00:11:02.920 i suppose there must be more money in vaping now than there is in tobacco because vaping is allowed

00:11:09.400 and tobacco is being outlawed but the smoke-free generation cup the idea was it would come into effect

00:11:15.660 in 2027 so that people who are 15 now will never be able to buy tobacco when they turn 18

00:11:21.900 interesting see yeah this is this is so interesting like because i think something that's happening

00:11:29.280 anyway with the younger generations is i think they're dabbling perhaps in certain types of drugs

00:11:34.440 more maybe cannabis being an obvious one but they seem to be smoking and drinking considerably less

00:11:39.640 yeah they're definitely previous generations they're not picking up their parents vices are they no

00:11:43.820 creating new ones of their own i mean just as a quick thing i've smoked cannabis and the the the

00:11:49.340 problem that you have with it isn't the immediate physical effects but it's the same thing with alcohol

00:11:53.700 and tobacco it's not immediately dangerous to your health over a long period of time it is deleterious

00:11:58.820 to your health in very much it's it's worse than tobacco for your lungs for example right it does more

00:12:04.300 damage um but that's not really the issue i think south park actually really hit the problem with

00:12:09.220 cannabis really hard on the head which was it makes you okay with being lazy right it makes you okay

00:12:14.780 with being unproductive and so like there is some truth in what you're saying is you know i think i'm

00:12:19.600 i'm not uncreative and they don't yeah it's not medicinally it's great for certain like cancers and

00:12:24.400 things it's really helpful but but you are also right that they're still all vices yeah they are i'm i'm

00:12:29.900 i opposed to i'm i'm very much opposed to all of them but i'm certainly not in the camp of

00:12:34.100 everything i dislike and oppose should be banned but the nature of this country has been anti-puritanical

00:12:38.240 like yeah and you are right in your position where things that aren't immediately harmful

00:12:42.740 should be done in moderation so so this comes back to your why can i smell cannabis smoke everywhere

00:12:48.100 because it's not being done in moderation you know there's no there's no sort of social norm around

00:12:51.920 it because it was illegal for such a long time um and i think should remain illegal actually yeah

00:12:57.080 there's something that's interesting as well which is you know we're obviously going going a lot

00:13:02.020 wider and more philosophical on this conversation but you know we've got three intellectuals here we

00:13:06.180 should you know there's something interesting as well about laws and i don't know i don't have a

00:13:11.440 conclusion on this um you know you'll often hear the term that you can't legislate morality which is

00:13:16.820 that's not kind of a weird one should be based in morality really um but also it's like laws also

00:13:24.960 inform morality for millions of people is as in suggesting what is and what isn't okay

00:13:31.340 right people generally assume oh okay well if something is legal or especially if it's gone

00:13:38.540 from being illegal to being legal it's sort of a suggestion or a nudge that it's okay or it's not

00:13:44.660 that bad or it's you know you see it all the time online normalize this normalize that it's like

00:13:48.820 not everything should be normalized actually i once spoke on my common sense crusade about uh

00:13:53.660 matrimony marriage being between one man and one woman and anything outside of that is sinful and 0.90

00:13:58.980 someone said how can you say homosexual marriage is sinful it's legal yeah as if the conflation

00:14:03.780 there between reality and sin that's a great example do i go to jail if i murder my neighbor's

00:14:07.400 dog you know like it's still wrong right yeah i mean you know adultery is legal yeah completely

00:14:16.460 didn't used to be right that's true it's still it's still a crime in many nations um but you know

00:14:22.280 it's like oh and so there are people like we might sound weird to us but there are people who are

00:14:25.700 oh well it's not as long as it was consensual right you end up with that consent-based morality

00:14:30.160 on everything where it just becomes oh well as long as it's consenting adults then have at it

00:14:35.680 right and it seems like every western nation is has slipped into this trap pretty hard in the u.s

00:14:42.420 and canada australia uk where it's kind of like oh was it was anyone hurt was it consensual

00:14:46.700 and i hate it okay then because someone's always hurt in sin you you you personally are hurt your soul is

00:14:51.340 hurt but also the collective body of christ is hurt so there's no sin where nobody is hurt so

00:14:55.940 that libertarian argument of let them do whatever they want they're not hurting anyone they are

00:14:59.300 hurting someone yeah and you know when you have a society that is strongly and solidly rooted in

00:15:06.760 christian principles then people understand that yeah um and you know it's i put out it i put out a

00:15:13.440 tweet i think it was last year and it went viral actually i was i was expecting to get way more

00:15:18.020 pushback on it than i did like when i put it out i was like oh boy some of my followers get really

00:15:22.600 mad at this but actually people understood what i meant um so of course i'm a british citizen um i

00:15:29.020 grew up in saudi arabia lived in the uk for a long time for 20 years went to school here went to

00:15:33.420 university here um i recently moved back to the middle east which was a very conscious decision i could

00:15:39.260 live anywhere and i tweeted that despite living in an islamic country i said something like

00:15:48.380 being in a gulf country and in the islamic country specific ones you know saudi arabia uae bahrain

00:15:54.760 qatar i said it feels more christian in a way than being in western society and i think maybe i put a

00:16:04.260 caveat and i said not in terms of the people's theology per se but in terms of the way they

00:16:10.100 actually live their lives and the things that people promote and the things that they oppose

00:16:16.560 the things that they support the thing and so like when i'm in dubai it's just like all of this stuff

00:16:23.980 like all of the extreme extreme hedonism and degeneracy and let's trans the kids and let's do this 1.00

00:16:30.340 and let's parade this and you just go there it's all just dead in the water no no one supports it

00:16:35.420 it's just it does even regardless of their faith so this is interesting because when you said you're

00:16:39.780 moving to dubai yeah my initial response was i thought he was christian why is he moving to an

00:16:43.640 islamic nation and so this this kind of answers some of that it does it and it's so family friendly

00:16:48.360 it's so pro-family it's so pro-social it's pro-life very pro-life country um and people are just

00:16:54.940 living and getting on and being normal and 20 of the population is christian in fact i think the second

00:16:59.880 biggest catholic um what's the right word not not denomination um is it parish i think the second

00:17:06.660 biggest one in the world is in uae really yeah um saint mary's catholic church is gigantic over

00:17:13.000 thousands and thousands of congregants the church i go to there is like a hundred times the size of

00:17:17.420 the church i go to in the uk yeah thousands of people because because it's it's 90 of the population

00:17:23.600 is expats yeah so you just have people from all over the world so you've got people from african

00:17:28.440 nations asian nations europe north america all over um and everyone just it's just very normal

00:17:35.380 that that's the thing i perhaps appreciate most about it i i like not paying taxes but i really

00:17:41.300 like the fact that it's just yeah normal all of that crap just switches off over there no and no one

00:17:47.480 no one is woke yeah because so many people have even moved there just because they're like i just want

00:17:52.120 to be i've come from russia i've come to you from the uk i've come from that i just want to be

00:17:56.040 somewhere normal insane what's a part of catholic culture that's missing i hate to i hate to drive

00:18:00.400 this back to the subject yeah let's do it just real quick as the first miracle christ performed

00:18:04.100 was to turn water to wine this is why we've always loved wine we can't live in a world without it but

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00:18:24.420 thank you now this is the conservative policy once labor got into power what did they do did

00:18:30.320 they undo it of course these these uni parties back each other up the labor party backed this up

00:18:35.180 in the king's speech at the state opening of parliament last month and promised to reintroduce

00:18:40.740 the last government's legislation so they promised to follow through with conservative legislation

00:18:45.960 which would outlaw the sale of tobacco to anyone born on or after january 2009 if you wanted more

00:18:52.020 evidence of a uni party there it is and what would you what would you look for if not this

00:18:57.560 they're all following exactly the same policy i mean i won't even i won't even scroll down because

00:19:03.460 it's just depressing yeah but what we saw there should be a video popping up what we saw on twitter

00:19:08.340 today is that kia stormer has outlined why he wants to do this yeah he um it was very specific

00:19:18.320 wasn't he there we go

00:19:21.020 it's being reported that you're looking at tighter restrictions on smoking outdoors pub gardens

00:19:29.880 outdoor restaurants outside hospitals and so on is that something that you are considering

00:19:34.480 my starting point on this is to remind everyone that over 80 000 people lose their lives every year

00:19:42.980 because of smoking that's a preventable death it's a huge burden on the nhs and of course it's a burden

00:19:50.280 on the taxpayer so yes we are going to take decisions in this space more details will be revealed but this

00:19:57.260 is a preventable uh series of deaths and we've got to take the action to reduce the burden on the nhs

00:20:03.800 and reduce the burden on the taxpayer you said when you became prime minister you wanted politics to

00:20:08.060 tread more lightly on people's lives this is the opposite isn't it i think it's important to get

00:20:13.180 the balance right but everybody watching this who uses the nhs will know that it's on its knees

00:20:20.280 we have to relieve the burden and that's why i spoke before the election about moving to a preventative

00:20:27.160 model right so i'm just going to stop him up because that's that really highlights exactly the

00:20:31.800 problem of this country we've got such a large administrative state that requires such a large tax burden

00:20:36.520 his problem is balancing the books yeah he's actually not concerned really about your health

00:20:41.320 which is a perfectly valid way to get even truthful yeah so in the last year 20 23 to 2024 tobacco tax

00:20:48.560 duty receipts in the united kingdom amounted to approximately 8.8 billion british pounds compared

00:20:54.420 to 10 billion pounds the year before now what do you think the tobacco um problems and diseases

00:20:59.960 2.4 billion i was going to say a couple billion so actually smoking is a net positive for the country

00:21:05.600 for the nhs right the nhs yeah if they were serious again i always say if they were serious

00:21:10.420 like they'd be talking about obesity yeah but they don't want to offend and upset people but if you

00:21:15.160 want to talk about something that's like seriously impacting the nhs you'd be talking about that you'd

00:21:19.600 probably also be talking about the fact that people are not reproducing enough exercising enough

00:21:24.100 yeah but but also i have this conversation my dad's a you know been a medical doctor for 50 years

00:21:30.080 and he's you know worked first worked with the nhs in the 1970s and it's really interesting one other

00:21:37.240 thing i love many things about my dad but he's just so like frank and honest and he says you know he's

00:21:42.040 very clear he said one one of the things that is uh it's a good thing but it's also an issue that

00:21:48.080 people are just living longer so he was like back in the 70s or in the 80s he's i'll see a patient now

00:21:55.460 who might be in their eight their late 80s their 90s and before they would they would have just died

00:22:01.440 by now and now they're coming in the hospital and they have seven eight nine different chronic issues

00:22:06.260 and that is costing a huge amount when you have this socialized health care system especially when

00:22:11.760 you don't have a lot of young people who are coming in and supporting it then um it just it gets very

00:22:18.880 top heavy and it gets very expensive and it's just like we can't do this thing it's it's like when i

00:22:23.660 talk to my american friends and or even just you know people who want to have something like the nhs in

00:22:29.400 the u.s one of the reasons it won't it wouldn't work is simply because the population is so unhealthy

00:22:35.200 if you had a generally obesity isn't it now yeah it's 42 now heading to 50 in the next decade

00:22:41.260 although yeah so it's like if the population were generally healthy you could consider it but

00:22:46.120 norway or sweden or something yeah i was just in sweden last week very healthy population so it's

00:22:50.680 like whether whether you are for or against it it's almost irrelevant it's just like it won't work

00:22:56.140 because it would just be so egregiously expensive yeah because people are so unhealthy uh and you have

00:23:03.240 300 and probably 350 million of them yeah um so yeah it it just won't work there's one

00:23:11.160 more point actually i wanted to make on this and perhaps it's the most important point because i was

00:23:14.080 talking about the sort of libertarian instinct and i'll tell you despite hating smoking massively

00:23:20.560 advising against it the the biggest reason i guess my best argument actually against this

00:23:25.580 would be when you're making new laws and creating bans most people don't think about it this way

00:23:30.240 but you have to think everything is ultimately enforced under the threat of violence

00:23:33.660 so when it comes to things like this i really have to kind of go back to that principle and think

00:23:39.180 am i okay with people potentially being arrested forced to the ground thrown in prison and so on

00:23:46.500 for doing this thing and he is and i'm like no right someone's smoking a cigarette outside in a park

00:23:53.800 am i okay with the force of the police real boots on the ground coming in no actually i'm not i'm not

00:24:00.100 okay with that i think that would be a horrible idea and a massive misuse of uh police resources so

00:24:05.160 he's a tyrant so both of his main points are undermined he said the nhs we've discussed it's

00:24:09.760 net positive actually to smoke but also he said it's a preventable death so heart disease kidney

00:24:16.420 disease are in the top 10 far above uh any tobacco related disease is he going to clamp down on drinking

00:24:22.320 is he going to clamp down on sugar no abortion kills 250 000 people per year in this country that's 0.99

00:24:28.440 the biggest cause of death is he going to ban abortion of course he's not it's not he's a massive

00:24:32.640 tyrant but on the issue of smoking before we move on i will just say you can buy a common sense

00:24:37.220 crusade pipe on the lotus eaters which you should because they're awesome but i actually personally

00:24:44.600 do smoke but i also don't recommend someone takes it up uh you'll never get it off your back to be

00:24:49.740 honest i'm going to whip through some of these because we've on it this topic's gone on a bit but

00:24:53.780 some of the other stuff that the government has tried to ban in recent years wet wipes i thought that

00:24:59.260 was ironic because they're kind of banning themselves right single-use plastics this one

00:25:03.720 really riles me up because plastic straws are important for people with disabilities and the

00:25:08.920 elderly and actually as a result of banning plastic straws we've seen companies like starbucks and nero

00:25:15.420 use more plastic in their lids uh actually more plastic than the straws would have been so it's

00:25:20.300 counterintuitive you know what's coming to my brain how many of those disposable plastic masks that

00:25:25.000 they like yeah like how many of those things must just be i just want to say i'm kind of in favor

00:25:31.060 of it as well because i hate plastic as a material it's a horrible it's a horrific material but they

00:25:36.600 don't do it in a good way no no evidence for the government's plastic straw claims this is a channel

00:25:41.000 four fact check they're on the government's side so it doesn't literally stay owned right it doesn't

00:25:45.660 help the environment and it's actually detrimental to the disabled um charging for plastic bags in in

00:25:51.880 supermarkets okay so plastic bags kill turtles we want to stop people using plastic bags but if i

00:25:57.920 pay my 10 pence i can kill a turtle is the message that they're sending but is it really our plastic

00:26:02.320 bags that kill the turtles how many turtles are there around british beaches i can afford a lot of

00:26:06.040 plastic bags so i can afford a lot of turtles and i do want that it's not good yeah um the junk food

00:26:12.620 ban i won't play the video because of time but they tried to ban junk food i'm sure zooby will be

00:26:17.040 all over this one they tried to ban sauce sachets in restaurants they tried to ban cheese adverts

00:26:24.640 because cheese adverts unhealthy what is lovely and it's good for you cheese isn't unhealthy yeah

00:26:29.980 why would they think cheese is unhealthy that doesn't even that's not even correct they banned the beach

00:26:33.500 body ready advertisement oh i remember i remember that so as allowing fat people on adverts what are

00:26:39.020 they trying what message are they trying to send there and of course they banned black cabbies from 0.92

00:26:43.480 um flying their own national flag amazing that because it's racism or yeah yeah it's racist when

00:26:51.660 does this nanny statism turn into tyranny i would say at the beginning of it again i won't play the

00:26:57.300 video for time but they tried to ban social media during the the recent riots they said let's ban it

00:27:02.220 during the unrest yes a temporary measure in a government always a good thing to do yeah and

00:27:07.460 for anyone that was just a tv segment yeah it was a tv segment hosted by the husband of the current

00:27:12.880 home secretary do you know something that's one of many do you know something that's really really

00:27:16.480 interesting with all this and i've got my philosophical hat on today and i think um you

00:27:20.720 guys will both you i think you guys will both definitely understand what i'm saying here

00:27:24.360 i think that this ever encroaching nanny state is absolutely inevitable when all of the other things

00:27:35.780 that keep people in line and ethical and moral are eroded faith yeah family community all of these

00:27:47.320 things that act because if you if you think of it on your in your day-to-day life you don't generally

00:27:51.520 conduct yourself based on what is legal and what is not yeah yeah you have other laws and moral codes

00:27:56.900 and things that are instilled in you from childhood which generally guide your behavior so i think as

00:28:02.880 those things are eroded away intentionally or unintentionally this becomes it becomes inevitable

00:28:08.100 that the state is going to keep on encroaching more and more saying okay we have to kind of treat

00:28:13.540 you like children and tell you what to do and what not to do and people will also demand and accept it

00:28:19.940 more 100 so state religion is a good thing a shared morale okay oh okay when you okay when you said

00:28:26.640 state religion i didn't i didn't know what you meant that the new state religion is the state yeah i i think

00:28:31.180 you know when you look back um obviously the usa in its early days had its issues but i think because

00:28:37.300 of the shared familial and moral and so on codes they were able to just have very few laws like in

00:28:44.320 the u.s the beginning had very few laws it was kind of just yeah give everyone a gun and you police

00:28:49.800 yourselves and then as as time goes on the the this federal government in particular just grows and you

00:28:57.380 are right i think it's correlative with the dissolution of morality in the populace itself

00:29:00.880 which is yeah it's going to be enforced from somewhere yeah exactly this is backed up by what

00:29:04.740 we saw over covid yeah the fact that the government wanted to ban collective worship they banned people

00:29:10.100 from meeting in pubs they've essentially banned assembly the freedom of assembly can i propose a law

00:29:15.940 yes when i say a law i mean sort of in the newton style you know they say energy cannot be created

00:29:20.160 or destroyed yeah i think the same is true of power it just moves around if you take it you take it away

00:29:25.440 from the individual and it goes to the state or you take it away from god quote unquote like you

00:29:30.620 i don't believe you can actually take it away but you you do that and it it's like the power is always

00:29:34.960 there yeah no authority is always there prices just where it sits you get no authority that my my father

00:29:40.120 doesn't grant you so he permits leaders to have authority but all authority comes from him from

00:29:44.200 ultimately from a political science perspective power is all power is like a liquid it's always in flux

00:29:49.760 it's always flowing you know you can never just amass power and keep it it's always you're either

00:29:53.700 gaining it or losing it but it's never stationary so you might well be right i think so i think it

00:29:57.460 just goes somewhere else like i i give up this power and i'm granting it to this other entity

00:30:02.720 and so on i don't think it's you can just decrease the power overall yeah shift where it sits and this

00:30:08.620 lines up with what you're saying because as we move away from one state religion to the state as a

00:30:12.920 religion and they're banning the old religion so we're seeing the banning of silent prayer yeah of

00:30:17.760 course places we're seeing the banning of what they call conversion therapy which are you praying in your

00:30:22.560 head right having prayers with people yeah but what's this one so this was conversion therapy they

00:30:30.000 wanted to ban conversion therapy which essentially means if someone comes to you and says look i might

00:30:35.040 be trans for you to have a conversation that dissuades them from that you are converting them 0.74

00:30:39.720 therefore that's illegal the craziest thing is this is so orwellian because the actual conversion therapy

00:30:46.000 right is the transition itself and sex change surgeries and like that's actual by definition

00:30:52.420 conversion therapy yeah the way they use language is it's scary but the most important ban we've seen in

00:30:58.700 the last 20 odd years is the guns oh yeah the uk government took our guns away in 1997 following the

00:31:06.160 dumblain incident which was an awful awful incident a mass shooting but it didn't stop mass shootings

00:31:11.700 we've had seven mass shootings since then taking people's guns away doesn't stop people using guns

00:31:16.660 illegally it only stops us preventing well defending ourselves with guns what were the laws i'm i'm too

00:31:22.320 young to know this what were the laws before before that time i actually don't know i know it wasn't

00:31:30.180 the same as us where it's just like but what were the laws what did you have to do to own a gun it was

00:31:36.000 quite it was still quite stringent at the time i can't remember exactly it's probably similar to the way

00:31:39.540 they are now because we actually do still have millions of guns in the country just in the

00:31:43.420 countryside shotguns and rifles for hunting or whatever um and you've got to jump through a load

00:31:48.640 of hoops to get one yeah yeah so it was probably something similar i think it's for sport for work

00:31:53.900 or for leisure but you have to like own an estate or yeah a regular user of an estate but this is why

00:32:00.720 the americans kept their guns because there is no freedom of speech freedom of association without a

00:32:05.000 freedom to bear arms yeah trade-offs man yeah it's really it's really what it is and i think so many

00:32:10.980 of these issues become such hot button political and culture war things because a lot of people don't

00:32:17.300 want to accept the trade-offs exist yeah um i'm very much pro second amendment for the usa yeah but

00:32:23.800 the truth is yeah of course it results in more shootings but the second amendment defends the but also

00:32:29.260 yeah exactly but i i think people want to pretend there's no trade-off there and it's just like no

00:32:33.840 there's a trade-off like whatever side of this you're on you have to be honest you get more of

00:32:38.020 what you permit as you mentioned at the beginning i think that's also a great example of um the

00:32:42.900 concept i was saying just about power so it's like okay someone's gonna have guns yeah right no no one

00:32:49.100 no one's i've made this point before no one is actually anti-gun right you you people debate on

00:32:53.940 who should have them yeah there's no police force in the world or no government force that does not

00:32:59.620 have firearms they're going to have them it's just should citizens be able to or to what

00:33:03.700 agree or which ones guys have them too or exactly just the bad guys but all of this comes down to

00:33:07.980 our choice between freedom and safety yeah pretty much everything we've discussed which all all

00:33:12.320 comes to say bring back smoking in pubs that's what all this was about essentially then you should

00:33:18.180 have the right to decide whether people in their venue are going to smoke or not it has nothing to

00:33:22.120 do with the state it's nothing to do with anyone else and you can just put a sign outside this is a

00:33:26.240 smoking pub this is a non-smoking pub use your discretion yeah let people their private owners make

00:33:31.420 their choices so we've had a bunch of super chats that i'm just going to run through very quickly

00:33:35.520 uh lord of the rings uh all the heroes smoke and drink says davy verse which i think is the most

00:33:40.000 compelling argument uh i can't pronounce aof manas just says i just want to tell you how much i love

00:33:46.160 load seaters for 50 thanks man i live in australia australia which is the coffee capital i'm giving up

00:33:51.520 coffee on doctor's advice and we'll send my coffee money well thank you very much uh and the shadow

00:33:55.940 band uh sent a super chat for 51 saying seattle is the coffee capital melbourne can have number two

00:34:01.980 uh i i don't drink coffee so i have no idea uh hewitt says uh much of the science behind tobacco

00:34:07.500 harm is funded by dubious self-interested parties so assuming there is evidence suggests the risk

00:34:12.600 from secondhand smoke is vastly overstated not going to get into the debate at the moment so uh we will

00:34:17.400 move on um right so england is becoming a much more dangerous place uh if you've been following

00:34:25.740 the news for the past same month or so you'll have noticed that practically every single day there is

00:34:31.020 at least one stabbing uh often fatal and these are just atrocious it's just part normal part and parcel

00:34:38.440 of life now i mean i don't want to i'm going to begin with the notting hill carnival uh we covered it

00:34:43.780 earlier in the week now notting hill carnival on average there are 11 stabbings every year

00:34:49.040 is that the average yeah that's the average and there were only eight this year so wow you know

00:34:55.340 they should be proud of themselves uh you know they this is meant to be just a a lot of far-right

00:35:00.360 thugs though um if far-right thug includes afro-caribbean festival goer yes there were lots of them um but uh

00:35:11.120 who knows it'll be gang violence over drugs and whatnot so but this you might say okay well there's

00:35:16.360 a large gathering there's a large gathering there's a million people there you know fair enough you

00:35:22.060 can expect some violence i mean you don't see the same thing yeah i don't i don't accept that yeah i

00:35:27.460 don't either but i have i have a i have i have a i have a thought here go on i say this when i'm in

00:35:34.060 the states too which is that i think people in our societies need to raise their standards and

00:35:41.000 expectations i don't like this idea that oh well there's a bunch of people like of course there's

00:35:48.380 going to be some stabbings or like oh it's a big city of course there's going to be a lot of crime

00:35:51.800 or there's this oh that's just how it is i think i think that's quite a dangerous mentality i think

00:35:56.680 over the crazy yeah yeah i think over the course of time people have just kind of got into the point

00:36:00.720 where it's just like oh yeah like we should just that's just how it is and it's like actually no

00:36:04.200 it doesn't have to be there are there are cities and countries around the world where there are

00:36:10.060 millions of people and the crime is extraordinarily like tokyo like tokyo 24 million people yes

00:36:17.360 many japanese cities the mayor of london is on record as saying of course we have terrorist attacks

00:36:21.940 in london it's a major city it's to be expected like they don't get that in riyadh they don't get 1.00

00:36:26.300 that in dubai they don't get that in doha they don't know of course not no no i'm being sarcastic

00:36:30.400 let's let's be real a few months ago i went to um i got invited to the naive bukele's inauguration

00:36:37.480 in el salvador so i went to el salvador for the first time which used to have triple the homicide

00:36:42.600 rate of haiti yeah it was the most dangerous country in the entire world by homicide rate 0.99

00:36:48.280 it's now the safest in the western hemisphere it's safer than canada but that's only because

00:36:53.760 he locked up all the criminals who would have thought but look the math on this is so interesting

00:36:58.220 so el salvador is about six million people yep he put 60 000 people in jail one percent of the

00:37:03.540 population dropped the homicide rate by 98 wow shocking if you lock up the criminals crime goes

00:37:09.900 down well you lock up one percent and you can just completely flatline it and that just says a lot

00:37:17.760 it says a lot about humans actually it does it really says like it's such a tiny tiny tiny percentage

00:37:23.100 of people who cause who do like all the crime yeah vast vast majority of people of you know and this

00:37:30.440 is where i think conservatives can be can can make serious errors as well because they'll like to

00:37:38.140 sometimes play the the demographic game oh like you know this demographic is like doing all this and

00:37:42.260 yes of course there's different crime rates in different demographics but people lose sight of the

00:37:46.040 fact that like well over 90 of people in any demographic are not doing any are not doing any crime when you when

00:37:52.780 you look at the black crime statistics in america everyone's oh it's 13 of the population it's like

00:37:56.240 well actually mostly it's not the women and actually mostly it's not men over like it's like two percent of

00:38:02.800 13 of the population exactly it's actually a tiny sliver tiny sliver just okay you're going to jail

00:38:07.820 yeah and the primate would just drop off but in every demographic yeah doing the opposite we're

00:38:12.400 letting violent criminals bring them in yeah and letting them we're also saying if you apologize you

00:38:16.320 don't actually get charged for your violent crimes and so i just thought we'd go through some of the

00:38:20.440 more recent uh atrocities that happened in england in the past week i mean not even um just reading

00:38:27.060 this headline upset to me oh yeah it's it's like everything like what yeah yeah i mean the first day

00:38:32.020 the nottingham carnival's two days and the first day is meant to be a family day there's still three

00:38:35.700 stabbings there and this young mother's obviously fighting for her life right in front of her kids 1.00

00:38:39.700 and it's just like okay you know the you know the thing that gets me cold is that we we hopes

00:38:44.200 organize an event where 100 000 people turned up absolutely if one person had been stabbed we would have

00:38:48.780 been arrested the whole thing would have been shut down we have all these stabbings all of this

00:38:52.280 violence and it's like celebrated diversity multicultural just to be expected there it's 0.99

00:38:56.340 absolutely preventable and uh it's because i think that the police basically don't like policing minority

00:39:02.620 areas it's not that even that they can't i think they don't really feel they have the moral authority

00:39:08.060 to do so and that is a real problem i mean this is from enfield north london an area that's 31 english

00:39:14.640 guns were banned good grief

00:39:23.700 you can't really see what's happening it's such a distance but um but nothing nothing has been

00:39:31.660 done i mean the police have gone down there and uh no cooperation from the local authorities

00:39:37.060 we need to somehow like hijack the human brain's capacity for tribalism and identity

00:39:44.240 politics and get people to like see like non-criminals like law-abiding people versus

00:39:50.380 criminals rather than the black versus white or the this versus that or whatever it's like

00:39:55.900 that would be nice it's like how about like it's really not that complicated if you if you go out 0.99

00:40:00.780 and you rob you rape you murder you assault people i don't give a crap about your ethnicity your color 0.99

00:40:07.060 your background your your social status anything we deal with you yes okay i mean that would be 1.00

00:40:12.440 completely sensible just but i think because even it happens with the police as well yeah because

00:40:17.900 it's like oh we don't want to be seen as doing this or like oh it's a minority it's like who cares

00:40:23.080 this is why the man this is why the manchester arena bombing happened yeah it's because one of the

00:40:27.080 security guards saw this muslim guy like you know acting weirdly he was like oh should i say something

00:40:31.780 bizarre i don't want to come across as being racist and then he killed 20 children exact same thing 0.95

00:40:35.720 happened isn't that the same that with all the grooming gang stuff yeah yeah oh we it's but it's this you

00:40:40.300 know they're of this don't care behavior is wrong don't care behavior why did you bring it up the

00:40:45.900 fact yeah the fact that you are if you go and arrest these people this is not a suggestion that like

00:40:52.080 everyone who's pakistani or everyone who's muslim whatever is involved in in fact even suggest that

00:40:57.460 is like that's actually really offensive um you could be like but look your criminals were just going

00:41:02.600 to deal with you like there's no you're right you're kind of implicating the entire community when you

00:41:06.880 say yeah but he is yeah you are and it's like well well hang on a second what are you saying about

00:41:10.120 the 99 who are law abiding exactly you know and just like well i didn't want that to happen exactly

00:41:15.940 exactly and i think it's often forgotten that in any of these in these communities the people when

00:41:22.140 assuming they are actual communities the people who are most against the people who are doing that

00:41:28.220 tend to be people within the same demographic yeah right when all the black community in america 0.83

00:41:32.740 you don't buy that okay i haven't seen many pakistan muslim speaking out against pakistan 0.92

00:41:36.620 muslim rape gangs that is true but they but there is like uh the the question of uh that the thing is 0.96

00:41:42.580 is whether the community perceives it to be a threat to itself right so in in america when the black 0.99

00:41:47.420 communities polls do they do you want fewer police they're like hell no yeah i think i think it's

00:41:51.780 because in um i think it depends perhaps this is a good point you brought up calvin i think it depends

00:41:56.520 on who's being victimized i think in most cases crime is committed it's proxy proximity right yeah 0.95

00:42:03.860 so who's killing most black people in the uk or in the usa other black people who's killing both right 0.98

00:42:09.840 because people are in physical communities um i think maybe what's unique in this case is because 0.80

00:42:15.120 the victims are explicitly primarily outside of it and so there's less of that it the protective

00:42:22.460 mechanism perhaps doesn't even kick in that same type of way i i suspect the thought on that yeah

00:42:28.020 the the point is uh this was two days ago no victims have been identified even though it looks

00:42:32.920 like someone was actually shot um there were of course evidence of firearms being discharged but no

00:42:37.820 arrests have been made and inquiries are ongoing but of course this is a community that doesn't

00:42:42.160 really view itself as part of the wider society and doesn't want to be policed and we've seen this

00:42:46.540 multiple times these communities where they don't actually cooperate with the authorities so

00:42:50.460 nothing's going to get done the police won't be able to arrest anyone and so these people are

00:42:56.680 still just roaming at large so at least nobody was hurt in this case well we don't know actually

00:43:00.760 someone may well have been hurt the community is just going to make sure that the uh it's not

00:43:07.640 announced to the outside world but um but again that was just okay so firearms on the streets of

00:43:13.320 enfield uh this was a horrific thing that happened this week uh two people have been charged for the

00:43:18.060 murder of a woman and her three children in bradford because it seems that a house was

00:43:22.320 deliberately set on fire with them in it i didn't even see this one good grief yep um this is just

00:43:27.840 horrific and i say this as a father of four with a wife and kids at home um i mean it's just genuinely

00:43:33.940 heartbreaking to see this uh muhammad shabir 44 and callum sunderland of both from west yorkshire

00:43:39.740 been jointly charged from west yorkshire has been jointly charged with four counts of murder and

00:43:44.780 one count of attempted murder of briny waithe uh with her three children uh density bernal oscar

00:43:52.060 bertal and aubrey bertal uh the children's father has survived because he wasn't home at the time

00:43:58.980 uh yeah i know it's genuinely awful i'm absolutely distraught the loss of my family and our beautiful

00:44:04.440 children i mean his you know he'd obviously type this out but i mean this is like his future and

00:44:09.780 legacy that has been destroyed by these people and we don't have the death penalty in britain which is

00:44:15.260 a real shame uh do all three of us support that oh i totally do yeah yeah i get so much pushback for

00:44:25.100 that i'm so i'm just like there are certain things that you can do oh yeah 100 are so awful yeah that i'm

00:44:33.400 i i'm like how can someone and again i i think because the norm the typical pushback is oh what

00:44:39.580 if you get the wrong person i like i'm narrow in like situations where there's there is zero doubt

00:44:44.980 you are the person there's people who go out and they shoot up a place and they live stream it

00:44:48.640 and the person is caught gun in hand yeah i'm like yeah like when it's when it's saying you don't need

00:44:53.380 that person let's say lucy let be and there are a lot of questions of the lucy let be yeah okay

00:44:57.380 obviously there's not there's too much but like you say we're the most surveilled society

00:45:01.220 in the world we've got dna evidence and a lot of the time they'll film themselves committing the

00:45:06.360 crime yeah so sometimes it says it can it's um infallible evidence it can't be someone else who has 0.96

00:45:13.180 committed the crime it has to be this person so okay well then hang them yeah in those cases i i

00:45:18.100 don't i've got no problem that's all that's good yeah i i'm i'm confused when people start like 0.97

00:45:22.360 yeah their their compassion is falling on the side of the person you know what you know what

00:45:26.220 save this for a minute because we're going to get back to this when we talk a bit more about

00:45:29.340 keir starmer uh because it's it's horrific but anyway so this this is just awful absolutely awful

00:45:34.460 it's just a genuine horror an atrocity that has happened in britain uh four other three other

00:45:40.120 people were arrested as well that they haven't been named but um so just the most awful thing that i

00:45:45.040 can imagine happening to a man has happened to his family has happened this week just fyi uh so the

00:45:51.540 next one is in clapton in london uh a man in a wheelchair was stabbed to death by a machete

00:45:56.700 that's just insane uh the crime scene was put in place uh two males brackets no further details at

00:46:06.840 this time have been arrested so just two males um this was a chap uh what was his name it was jade

00:46:13.200 anthony barrett who was a well-liked member of the local museum because of course he stands up

00:46:18.560 in a wheelchair and he's a very friendly guy lots of people came out and said god i can't believe

00:46:23.900 this happened to this guy he's a fixture in the local community he was very friendly everyone liked

00:46:28.640 him and uh this apparently happened just in the middle of the day um just out of curiosity

00:46:35.400 on these last ones do you know what like any idea of motive no

00:46:39.300 it says we had the riots because the police are not forthcoming with motives or identification

00:46:45.340 these days yeah they're so afraid of race riots yeah so this was the chap is apparently just that

00:46:51.240 you know the nicest chap in the world uh everyone has lovely things to say about him uh but he

00:46:56.540 apparently got in some sort of uh argument between two men aged 21 and 28 who were arrested on

00:47:03.400 suspicion of murder and he quote tried to get away but got stuck in his wheelchair witnesses claimed

00:47:08.420 and they just stabbed him with this machete it's like right okay where are all these machetes coming

00:47:13.860 from yeah great question but his sister and all the locals described him as a cheerful and caring

00:47:18.980 man who never took anything too seriously and so he was a relatively relaxed chap and now he's dead

00:47:25.100 um this is what england is like this week in 2024 uh but this has been going on for years i mean

00:47:33.500 nobody's safe you remember david amas was killed in 2021 by an islamist from somalia i think it was 0.79

00:47:39.900 second generation somalia i just stabbed him in a constituency surgery when he's meant to be 0.80

00:47:44.620 talking to his constituents and of course uh nigel farage was also attacked on the campaign trail 0.81

00:47:49.860 this is a guy just throwing a cement brick in

00:47:51.860 oh wow

00:47:52.860 oh wow

00:47:56.860 wow

00:47:58.860 wow

00:48:03.860 wow

00:48:07.860 and he's able to just run off

00:48:09.860 cops cops are just

00:48:11.860 they did get him yeah oh okay i was gonna say like how did he manage to get away like yeah because the cops are just not that bothered to see because

00:48:17.860 even the citizen interest man yeah yeah i mean this this is a two-tier system remember um so the man was josh

00:48:25.620 greeley from chestfield uh the university graduate we are told was a man of previous good character who'd

00:48:31.620 been remorseful says his defense barrister and so uh greeley pleaded guilty to the charge and he was

00:48:38.100 given a six-week prison sentence suspended for 12 months so he's not going to prison outrageous uh

00:48:43.620 like that can kill someone exactly that's exactly bricks at someone's head that's exactly what i said

00:48:48.340 this is a potentially deadly one for the second shot as well yeah but getting away with it incites

00:48:53.060 more violence towards politicians that you disagree with yeah it's not a good thing to do

00:48:56.500 uh and uh so he he also had 120 hours of community work to do uh and

00:49:02.180 pay about 250 220 quid in fines uh so dry cleaning cost

00:49:08.100 yeah exactly absolutely nothing really is happening to this guy uh because

00:49:13.300 it's nigel farage and i do want to just highlight the two-tier nature of this

00:49:17.300 because of course we have lots of other people who threw bricks at people

00:49:20.740 uh for example if we go for dean groenwald here um he got two and a half years for throwing a

00:49:27.140 paving stone at the police uh after getting carried away during the riots so attack farage

00:49:33.780 zero jail time attack the police two and two years and two months in jail that happens everywhere

00:49:39.860 though doesn't it yeah but this is just again another just shining example of the two-tier system

00:49:46.740 under which we live uh the only difference could have been not in the actions but it has to have

00:49:52.100 been in the person target targeting yeah for sure the motive anyway just to say just be careful out

00:49:58.500 that folks england's becoming a much more dangerous place than it used to be and you're very unlikely to

00:50:03.540 find justice for anything that happens to you so just be aware just make sure the the uk and other

00:50:08.980 western nations they need they need to import some of the policies from the gulf countries

00:50:12.420 like i think because i i think a lot of people like even even just me saying that people kind

00:50:21.940 of like bristle a little because people think that yeah and i think i know why i think i know why

00:50:27.860 policies don't matter without the people implementing the policies the people implementing the policies

00:50:31.460 don't have a moral compass if they do it's secular and nonsense like this the the people implementing 0.92

00:50:36.340 the policies in the middle east have a moral compass that they live by they have values that most

00:50:40.340 people agree with in this country our leaders don't so the policies don't actually matter it's

00:50:44.820 how they're implemented also yeah yeah how i mean everything's about how they're implemented i mean

00:50:49.060 if laws on the books were just enforced which which a lot of them aren't and the thing is they they

00:50:54.100 they assume that the they only implement them for the people who cooperate with yeah right so for the

00:50:59.300 people who they need to be applied to they aren't implemented for people who are otherwise law

00:51:03.860 abiding citizens they get the full force like i i again totally agnostic in terms of who

00:51:09.860 i don't care who the perpetrator and the victim are whatever groups they belong to like violent

00:51:14.420 crime should not be tolerated period yeah well in any nation like that should just be such a basic

00:51:22.260 pillar that everyone regardless of their political orientation agrees on but it was a little gonna go

00:51:27.540 out and you're going to physically hurt people regardless of your motive or whatever you know we had

00:51:33.300 a headline in the telegraph this week that said if you apologize for your violent crime you'll be let

00:51:36.820 off at the same time as we're locking people up for facebook comments and tweets it's insane yeah

00:51:41.300 we are mad in fact let's let's move on from here um we've got a couple more soup chats i have to read

00:51:46.180 out uh ramshack lot said uh you had to be a member of the gun club the dunblane killer was a member of

00:51:50.420 the gun club and that's how you got okay fair enough uh kenko says uh this money should go to my church

00:51:55.540 but father calvin i want more beard jesus had a beard give me time keith says uh it's an issue with

00:52:03.300 our media such the bbc state broad state media broadcast into all homes the populace consume

00:52:07.860 this without thought and stories such as the carnival stabbings are swept away ignorant and

00:52:11.460 the engaged few says it is your cultural tradition to hack people to pieces it does allow us to throw

00:52:16.100 you in prison until you rot uh let each follow the dictates of their tradition well it used to be our

00:52:20.260 tradition to hang these people it did and uh we should bring that back soft yeah so the person

00:52:25.380 presiding all of all the over all the difficulties that england faces at the moment is one sir kia

00:52:30.980 starmer qc and so i looked into kia starmer because i thought right okay i saw a lot of people

00:52:38.660 posting snippets where kia had been in interviews and he came across like a total psychopath i was 0.66

00:52:45.220 like well okay that's got to be unfair it's gonna be taken a bit out of context now i'd watched his

00:52:50.020 reactions to the riots and he came across like a total psychopath but i thought okay no no there must be

00:52:55.380 more to this and so i i started reading various uh accounts of people who have been close to kit or

00:53:01.140 in personal conversation with kit for interviews and things like that and yeah i i've come to the

00:53:05.860 conclusion that he might actually be a robot sent from the future to destroy us um i'm not even joking

00:53:11.700 it's hard to believe that one man can be as evil as he is uh so this is a biography of starmer and

00:53:19.700 what does kia starmer actually believe in spoiler alert they come to no fixed conclusion in this so

00:53:25.540 they aren't they aren't even particularly sure what he actually believes in from this this is his

00:53:28.980 biographer yeah but uh quote starmer is from a staunch labor family right okay so he's a communist

00:53:35.380 uh he helped set up so east surrey young socialists he campaigned for jim callahan and so on in his

00:53:40.820 early career as a lawyer he was part of the london labor left he moves in circles of links to the

00:53:44.900 communist party at one point uh worked on a number of cases with lots of radical lawyers and then

00:53:49.540 then he has another foot in the liberal ngo world so right that's not the kind of guy i would

00:53:54.660 instinctively want in charge but we'll get more details on that from peter hitchens who was himself

00:54:00.420 a young radical revolutionary in the same time and in the same place and so he basically explains that

00:54:07.860 kia starmer was a communist when he was young and involved in lots of communist uh activities he he was

00:54:14.420 um a disciple of pablo so he calls him a pabloist it was a form of trotsky so anti-soviet union but

00:54:22.340 extremely far uh to the left radical revolutionary socialist and he he says when questioned by the

00:54:29.060 new statesman in 2020 about his radicalism in the 80s he was known as red green uh and starmer's

00:54:34.100 replies were anything but embarrassed so red green is as a label combines social radicalism and identity

00:54:39.540 politics with green zealotry uh and when the new new statesman interviewer asked him if he was still

00:54:45.140 a red green kia enthusiastically responded with yeah okay so i don't i don't think he's uh compass

00:54:51.700 mentis enough to change his mind i mean if the new programming hasn't been put in then he's the same

00:54:55.620 old programming uh in a crucial exchange in the same interview he made it impossible for himself to

00:54:59.700 later claim this political past was not relevant to the president saying quote i don't think there are

00:55:04.340 big issues on which i've changed my mind okay so you're the same as the communists you were when

00:55:10.500 you were young and uh and he says that well he was involved in the haldane society of socialist lawyers

00:55:15.940 in the late 80s before the end of the cold war and they split from the labor society of lawyers uh in

00:55:23.460 the late 80s uh because they uh tell us this is the the the labor society wouldn't allow members of

00:55:31.540 the communist party to join but the haldane society would okay so keir starmer was in the communist

00:55:38.260 adjacent society of lawyers to left for the labor society of lawyers he was to left for the labor

00:55:43.860 society of lawyers which that's interesting is just remarkable when you think about it

00:55:48.020 uh and the haldane society's magazine uh he was the secretary of it interesting he was so he wasn't

00:55:54.740 just some guy who was just a you know a member for the fun of it he was a member of the institution

00:55:59.300 itself right okay so i think it's fair to say that keir starmer was a communist right and he says i

00:56:06.340 haven't changed my mind on any major things okay i believe that uh and uh somehow he found himself

00:56:12.180 behind the iron curtain uh joined in a work camp during the cold war when he was 23 years old it

00:56:19.380 happens to jeremy corbyn to bernie sanders to keir starmer it happens you know somehow you arrive in

00:56:28.980 you know to peter hitchens when he was in moscow when he was a communist again you've got to be a

00:56:34.180 fellow traveler to be able to get behind the iron curtain from outside of it during the cold war so

00:56:39.860 they obviously recognized him as one of their own uh which is just fascinating so okay that's the

00:56:47.300 political ideology his history he's made it quite clear he's as far left as it really gets uh he has

00:56:55.300 small doctrinal differences between himself and people like jeremy corbyn but generally they sit

00:57:00.580 on the same benches so i found this which is fascinating because this is keir starmer's most

00:57:07.060 personal interview yet so i thought okay we've got the the forward-facing ideology let's get the man

00:57:11.620 behind the ideology and man that is a scary prospect i think i just want to go back to the communist

00:57:16.660 ideology actually because at least i can understand that and reason with that and explain why that's

00:57:20.420 wrong uh you you can't explain with someone who literally doesn't have active thoughts in their

00:57:26.020 mind right and unfortunately that's just essentially keir starmer's uh the the the phrase that comes out

00:57:32.100 of this most is i've never really thought about that oh let's get on with it so uh he uh he says he's

00:57:39.860 not really uh eager to talk about his feelings he can't say if he's ever been if he's an optimist or

00:57:45.460 a pessimist and no he doesn't know if he's an extrovert or introvert either quote i've never really

00:57:51.060 thought about it i don't know what that tells you great so sorry the prime minister's an npc 0.91

00:57:56.660 self-admitted do not have emotions he looks like an npc he looks literally looks like the bloody npc

00:58:03.300 meme i haven't got a picture of him yeah look he he's the sort of gray hair blank expression npc meme

00:58:09.380 he actually looks like it and it's oh my god that's terrifying this is crazy right so he doesn't

00:58:14.660 know what he dreamed last night or ever quote i don't dream what he just hits the pillow at 11 and

00:58:20.420 bang he's around out until around five in the morning shuts down for a few hours then reboots

00:58:25.380 that's so funny i can't imagine i know that's that's mad right you know one thing i i have always

00:58:31.380 noticed with him and i've of course i i've i've been out the country a bit but i've i don't know

00:58:36.180 anything about him well that that's there's nothing that's why he's just being done i i don't know his

00:58:41.620 policies i don't know i don't know what he stands like i know he's left but communism there's just no

00:58:48.100 zero charisma but he doesn't know either that's the point i i don't know if i'm an optimist or an

00:58:53.140 introvert i've never really thought about it i've never had a dream right he doesn't have a favorite

00:58:58.340 novel or poem that's like no personality he was never scared of anything as a child he had no

00:59:04.020 nothing no phobias was he ever a child i don't know i mean maybe he was just constructed in the

00:59:10.820 in the late 80s man or something it's crazy i mean how can an individual be so devoid of personality

00:59:18.100 there are that many decades on earth yeah exactly so you know how how is it you're 61 and you don't

00:59:22.420 have a favorite novel that's what if you never read a novel do you know what a novel is what about

00:59:27.140 poet he's never had a dream but he's never he's never dream oh not my union manchurian candidate

00:59:31.780 that's the one yeah yeah manchurian candidate yeah so you know but then he says in this quote

00:59:36.660 i am who i am i know what i am what you know no no no i know who i am i know what i am i am

00:59:46.260 it's like mark zuckerberg going i was human once it's like hey he's on his human streak right now

00:59:52.100 he's been working on it yeah that is that is very interesting strange from the t-1000 that has

00:59:58.100 arrived to control the country uh of course everyone asks whose name i have tattooed on me and the answer

01:00:03.860 is none of course it doesn't have tattoos again that would imply a personality uh and he says you

01:00:10.980 asked me questions that i've never asked myself that may seem funny but part of being kia brackets

01:00:17.780 he sometimes talks about himself in the third person he's just plowing on knowing what i'm doing

01:00:24.260 knowing where i've got to go without allowing myself time to stop and have a discussion with myself

01:00:29.220 i've just got to keep this thing going like he doesn't have an internal monologue he's never thought

01:00:33.940 about him so he's never done any self-reflection he doesn't enjoy entertainment you reckon he's got any

01:00:39.060 art in his house i mean he lives with other people so maybe they put it up but like why would

01:00:44.500 he if he hasn't got a favorite poem he obviously doesn't have a favorite piece of art he's got a

01:00:48.260 family i assume he does have a family yeah and we'll get to that as well because it's very bizarre um

01:00:54.100 but it's just this is a part but part of being kia is just plowing on i love that i love the third

01:01:01.300 person that's crazy i know what i am i am the kia starmer bot 2000 part of being kia is getting the

01:01:09.060 job done like yeah this is crazy this guy's in charge non-ironically referring to yourself in the

01:01:14.180 third person yeah is it is kind of a disorder it's crazy and he doesn't seem to think in his own head

01:01:21.060 either right zuby agrees yeah exactly it sounds crazy but this is a friendly interview by the

01:01:30.100 guardian only a week or two last month a couple months ago like you know they they're trying to

01:01:34.900 give you his positive side and he comes across like an actual machine like i don't have sides yeah i don't

01:01:40.660 what do you mean and so just look here on his face and this i'm reading just direct quotes from this

01:01:46.020 article right right on his face was a genuine expression of bemusement when i asked him about his

01:01:50.340 emotional inner life his face up while we look at that i feel like even it's funny because the

01:01:59.220 guardian would obviously be friendly to him yeah yeah even they're like he's a bot yeah exactly like

01:02:03.940 this is the sort of thing that data from star trek would respond with what do you mean my emotional

01:02:07.940 inner life right i'm guessing that he never did therapy he says no no no no uh no he's not saying

01:02:15.620 this is therapy when you don't have emotions he can't be upset about anything uh he says i'm

01:02:24.180 self-aware enough not to go into the side alleys to have a chat with myself about these things

01:02:29.380 so he's never even like explored the depths of his own soul he's like no kia doesn't do that uh kia 0.73

01:02:35.780 doesn't have emotions kid doesn't like it just this is crazy like i can't i mean like he genuinely

01:02:42.020 comes off like a psychopath it's so weird i can only say it's just weird yeah it's bizarre and

01:02:49.060 communist robot that has been programmed to operate within the political environment i've

01:02:54.100 genuinely been fascinated by his total absence of charisma and now you know because regardless of

01:03:00.180 who a politician or public figure is most have some essence of charisma doesn't i don't need to

01:03:04.420 remotely like them or even like kamala's got her little yes yeah jeremy corbin has he has charisma

01:03:09.700 he's got a personality right with kira i'm just like i don't i just don't know there's just nothing

01:03:14.820 to like that's literally it there's nothing to like there's nothing there if you had an opinion

01:03:21.540 one way or another i could like or dislike it but like if it was a color he'd just be gray that's it

01:03:26.820 i feel i feel like i'm like do you like your toaster and it's like well i mean toast bread i

01:03:32.500 mean i know i don't know about it yeah i'll replace it when it breaks you know which is basically what

01:03:37.620 kia starmer is uh he's asked is he more ruthless than blair guess his answer not thought about it

01:03:44.180 never thought about it i don't know he says i've never thought about it direct quote just oh my gosh

01:03:50.180 they asked the same of a senior labor insider who simply replies yes and we can see that he's way more

01:03:54.980 ruthless than blair he is totally unfeeling like he he came into the party and just excised about a

01:04:00.420 third of it instantly saying no you're all gone now uh without any remorse uh so that was like just

01:04:05.940 okay uh he was named spectators politician of the year in 2022 why i don't know uh he doesn't seem to

01:04:15.220 know either and he he got an award for this right and he passed the award to his son and his son quote

01:04:21.860 didn't even look up from the telly he took it and said how did you blag that then and passed it

01:04:25.860 back that's a fair question well i mean oh yeah that's a fair question how old is it uh 16 i think

01:04:32.820 the spectator used to be center right i know i have no idea why they would get i mean god only knows

01:04:38.820 they could see that he was going to be the prime minister and they're lining up in his face yeah

01:04:42.420 trying to trying to get some good graces but that would imply that kia starmer had emotions yeah 0.99

01:04:46.660 i will make kia starmer like us no that's not possible does not like yeah yeah kia starmer

01:04:51.620 doesn't like he doesn't hate he just exists that's not i don't like you i just don't like 0.73

01:05:00.900 it's just mad i just and so he uh like so this is a very different uh response i get to my kids

01:05:10.740 whenever i i do anything with my kids my kids are always very happy to do it

01:05:14.180 you know if i ever accomplish something my kids are always very thrilled that i've accomplished

01:05:17.460 something and i'm always very real people in the world yeah yeah yeah like i'm not yeah i'm not

01:05:21.380 specially unique in this way i'm a normal person right unlike kia right and so uh they asked him

01:05:27.220 about his family i said so you know he says well it's not a case of walking through the door and

01:05:31.220 having minutes of bliss uh how is no one else how was your day or recount the brilliant things that

01:05:35.860 happened today it's straight into a row about which one of them wants pizza and which one of them wants

01:05:40.180 uh something else like you know takeaway or something uh or there's an argument about what

01:05:44.340 we had last week and so it's just very that's so sad it's very mechanical it's very procedural it's

01:05:48.500 like okay well last week you had a fish and chips so this week you know sandra's getting pizza

01:05:53.620 depressing it's very depressing like whenever i go in and again i'm not just bragging or something

01:05:58.100 when i go my kids are happy to see me and how i see them i play games anyway

01:06:01.540 you have emotion score i i am a human i was born as a human man oh boy you know and i grew up in

01:06:08.500 in normal society i didn't man i didn't i didn't willingly go to the soviet union um and so they get

01:06:15.940 onto his life as a lawyer and this is just remarkable because suddenly the kia bot has emotions right the 0.70

01:06:23.060 kia bot has emotions but he only has emotions for people who've killed children oh bad emotions you might

01:06:31.300 render them that way yes so they say he represented prisoners on death row in jamaica where the loss

01:06:36.740 of hope was palpable where there was no light no toilets where the people he sat down with in

01:06:41.700 suffocating heat was certain they were about to die i mean they were on death row so yeah they were

01:06:45.700 about to die quote and this is kia samatar speaking these these are experiences that are legal but they're

01:06:51.940 also human so yes that is a human experience so there's a human experience again see outside of the

01:06:57.380 frame of being a human it's like oh there is a human experience um some of the remand cells were

01:07:02.340 like 20 people in a cell in the size of this room and everyone's sleeping on the floor on top of each

01:07:05.940 other the toilet is a bucket with a lid stop it from being completely offensive how did i feel in

01:07:09.780 that angry revolted and angry right so the prisoners on death row had unsanitary and poor conditions

01:07:17.540 let's have a look at some of the prisoners that uh kiss armor was desperately trying to save uh the 0.61

01:07:22.660 only people that he's displayed any empathy for so far in my explorations of him uh were the worst

01:07:28.900 people in the world actually um people i personally would execute with my own hands where i to be like

01:07:34.420 okay you need to press a button to put that person on death row but yeah because for example uh he

01:07:40.180 helped uh jamaican lambert watson who slaughtered his girlfriend a nine-month-old baby by stabbing on

01:07:45.860 the neck gone uh what about uh malawian murderer francis cafe mta i can't pronounce it who tied up his

01:07:54.100 two-year-old stepson before burying him alive it's no gone the hell buenge patrick was one of the

01:08:00.500 417 monsters granted a reprieve from hanging after sir kia starner helped to overturn uganda's

01:08:06.660 laws on mandatory death penalties in 2005 this particular guy had murdered his girlfriend by

01:08:11.700 setting fire to a house before pushing her inside he then chopped her in the head with an axe 0.95

01:08:16.580 strangled her all while her children looked on no kia kia i can't hang them quickly enough 0.94

01:08:22.260 right kiss thomas oh my god these these poor poor murderers unbelievable i can understand the 0.97

01:08:30.180 lawyer being impassionate about that or or kind of thinking this is the law i'm not going to decide

01:08:35.380 either way but yeah being empathetic towards that is i struggle it's really common really it is most

01:08:43.380 like i'm really i have maybe i just have like a an interesting background because like my family's

01:08:50.340 from nigeria yeah grew up in saudi arabia but i'm also so i'm kind of like western but i'm not yeah and

01:08:57.060 when i see people in the west's attitude like towards like say the the death penalty yeah and

01:09:02.820 like you know vet people are so opposed even like in the most clear-cut most obvious case and i'm just

01:09:10.100 very confused by where the sympathy lies yeah i feel the same you know like what you what do you say 250

01:09:15.780 000 abortions here per year one million per year in in the u.s zero compassion completely dehumanized

01:09:23.300 don't care like they they celebrate they were doing performance but abortions outside the dnc 0.96

01:09:27.380 in fact like the empathy is for the person committing the murder yeah and it's like these

01:09:31.700 is this this these are the most innocent yeah souls these are most innocent human beings never

01:09:36.660 had an opportunity to commit a crime and so it's like complete callousness in that regard and then

01:09:40.420 you can have someone who callously goes and murders yeah five ten twenty people children whatever

01:09:46.100 chops them up does the most horrific stuff and people will be like oh no no it's an injustice for that

01:09:50.820 person to have the death penalty and i'm crazy that that's where like the i find it really puzzling

01:09:57.700 just in the same way as like when people side again there's mostly lefties who do this of course but

01:10:02.980 like these situations where um a man identifies as a woman and goes into a prison a boxing ring an

01:10:10.180 athletic stretch whatever and you are sympathizing your your sympathy falls on the side of the man who is

01:10:17.300 doing this rather than all of the all of these people all these girls in these cases girls and

01:10:23.140 women who and i'm just like all the murder victims in this case like just get back to it so he's so

01:10:28.340 bizarre i know it's it's unfathomable isn't it he has no empathy at all for people who have not

01:10:33.300 committed a crime it's an inversion it's totally yeah it's an inversion evil and evil yeah it's an

01:10:38.180 it's he was a he was a founding member of what was called the death penalty project which is a

01:10:42.500 team that launched several bids to scrap the death sentence for heinous crimes across africa

01:10:46.340 and the caribbean this between 2002 and 2014 covering his assent as a junior lawyer to the

01:10:50.740 director of public prosecutions uh and what's his interest in africa and the caribbean i have no

01:10:56.020 idea but what's his interest in like making sure that these murderers and rapists and the worst

01:11:00.580 people that could possibly have ever walked the earth aren't removed from it yeah if you want to

01:11:05.060 help if you want to help these countries you don't help these countries by preventing people who do

01:11:10.420 heinous stuff like this slightly i mean like if you want to help go help but but i mean he's a

01:11:15.220 comic boy he's an evil comic yeah he's he's yeah he's he's totally emotionless when it comes to

01:11:20.180 normal people but i mean listen to this right in one of the blog posts that he wrote for the death

01:11:24.500 penalty project he said of meeting the death row felons quote for three hours we sat in the hot sun

01:11:31.140 talking to the inmates about their case they sang they talked they laughed these these people murdered

01:11:36.820 children like having worked on similar cases elsewhere in the world we thought we were fairly

01:11:42.020 hardened but no one could have left that prison unmoved i would have been strangling them myself

01:11:46.260 like are you mad not long ago i watched um i watched something i think it was on youtube but

01:11:50.900 it was from decades ago yeah and it was maybe from like 95 or 96 after the river one and genocide

01:11:56.420 and they went to the prisons where a lot of the people who participated in it yeah were being held and

01:12:01.060 again it's like there was someone in it who's like you know talking about how bad their conditions

01:12:05.620 are and everything i was like people literally genocided their neighbors i mean if you've ever

01:12:10.100 read any your sympathy is oh they're they're they're packed in too tight and they're still alive

01:12:16.740 oh by the way they say you see the same i brought up el salvador earlier you see the same

01:12:20.100 thing when you see the pushback against bukele and what he's doing it's people say oh well look

01:12:24.020 look at the conditions that they're in and it's like do you know who these people are and what

01:12:28.980 they have been doing to their countrymen for decades you know how many people that person you're

01:12:33.780 talking about is killed no you don't but he's definitely killed someone yeah these are people

01:12:37.460 like head to toe it's not even some of these like head to toe it's like ms-13 on your forehead yeah 0.78

01:12:41.540 right it's just like that guy's not innocent bro you have to rape or murder someone to get into the

01:12:46.580 gang like it's just like okay yeah anyway so like he's got no ability to empathize at all right so this

01:12:53.540 is while he was campaigning back in june where a young girl was coming and as you can see that it

01:13:00.180 described how they were too poor to afford blankets during the winter and i mean i just let's play

01:13:06.180 this is crazy it's just so in the winter months and we have to sleep with like blankets on our bed

01:13:12.100 and like a fleece and like a onesie because it's so much to like pay for the heating so we don't have

01:13:18.660 to have it so you zip yourself into a one yeah yeah just so like don't freeze my boy's 15 now six

01:13:25.540 for once i've gifted quite a big onesie yeah that's right

01:13:34.980 well like it's it's hard because like but it's good that you and daddy both work

01:13:40.660 i think he was attempting to empathize and i think came out totally wrong i think he thinks that humans

01:13:46.580 would respond in a particular way in this situation and so yeah my boy wears a onesie

01:13:50.980 it's like here you're a millionaire yeah someone in his hair saying this is a compassionate moment

01:13:54.580 now yeah yeah yeah just i think that was a he's got this kind of confused look on his face doesn't

01:14:00.340 he he's just like hmm i need to process this in some way yeah i've realized that you know human would

01:14:06.820 insert joke here yeah exactly relatable but it and like this this this person's a lefty right

01:14:12.580 and they're just like you know i can't believe how awful this guy is you know he just does not

01:14:18.100 give a single f about children living in squalor you know he totally doesn't he can't relate and he

01:14:22.420 doesn't care murderers of course he's like oh wow these poor psychopaths my people you know i saw like

01:14:29.300 the end of the scene and like you know first things first well i mean we've got massive back on the

01:14:33.940 finances so that's granny's pension payment the winter fuel payment gone we are still going to make sure

01:14:40.660 that of course the people who invade our country on boats are put up in hotels that those payments 0.64

01:14:46.980 are going to go through your gran is going to go cold and so unsurprisingly people are like you know

01:14:51.620 he seems to be a bit of a political robot yeah like so this was at a uh sky question time uh this

01:14:58.260 questions for leaders men and this is just remarkable if it'll play i admired how in touch you were with

01:15:06.260 the public when you were obviously a solicitor and then you became a director of public prosecutions

01:15:10.820 with cps but over the last year i feel like you've formed into more of a politician than the person that

01:15:15.700 i would have voted for to run the country and you seem more like a political robot how are you

01:15:22.660 how are you going to convince others like me to vote for you well um

01:15:26.740 um the most system error yeah i i went to run the crown prosecution service you reference that i was

01:15:37.380 the chief prosecutor for five years effectively bringing in every criminal prosecution in england

01:15:42.980 in wales including here in grimsby in our courts to make sure that where people broke the law uh they

01:15:48.660 were prosecuted and you were kept safe as a result of that work and you didn't ask for your cv yeah

01:15:53.300 exactly yeah he asked for why should i vote for you on human terms and he's like well

01:15:57.220 can't speak that i'm gonna put you in jail so that wasn't what i was asking for and so anyway people

01:16:02.660 online have been noticing this and uh unsurprisingly uh something well he's a bit it's the starminator

01:16:07.780 right he's he's literally an evil robot that's been sent back in time uh to destroy us and he doesn't

01:16:13.300 understand human emotions and he just kills and i mean how are they wrong they're not people have their

01:16:22.980 faith in the wrong place don't they they really do oh they really do not just here but the 0.83

01:16:28.340 just even just in politics in general man i mean we're really in a spiritual battle here in the west

01:16:33.700 yeah and even saying that term falls flat with a lot of people which shows how disconnected

01:16:39.060 yeah people have become from that whole concept look look at the moral compass of keir starmer yeah

01:16:43.780 just look at who he does give moral consideration to and who doesn't give more things to me though it's

01:16:49.060 it's it's it really is the unit party i mean the this country was run by conservatives for pretty

01:16:54.180 much the last what 14 years straight and they were terrible and what happened i mean what was conserved

01:17:00.660 what actually so yeah sure it might accelerate now but what needs to happen is an actual change of

01:17:07.060 direction and it just seems you can have you know it's like that mike that michael malice quote right

01:17:11.860 progressivism is you know as you say conservatism is just progressivism driving the speed limit and that's

01:17:16.660 really 100 true but i i just can't get over just genuinely how evil i find keir starmer like he's

01:17:22.420 soulless an empty man who has no personality and the only time he ever expresses what i would consider

01:17:27.460 to be a human emotion is when the poor criminals on death row the murderers on death row are having

01:17:32.740 a hard time with it we saw this last month in the riots when people reached the point of enough is

01:17:37.140 enough the protests turned to riots ordinary working-class british people were getting out there in the

01:17:41.460 streets and he turns around and says we need to give more money to the muslims we need to protect the mosques

01:17:45.300 yep it's it's crazy anyway um we'll leave that there uh the engaged few says a great book about 0.95

01:17:51.460 rwanda is we wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed together with our families

01:17:55.460 which i mean i read a couple of books on the right it's freaking it's just the worst 0.90

01:17:59.140 human has done a million people in a hundred days yeah it's a hundred days yeah and the engaged few

01:18:04.500 again it's thriving now it's amazing yeah it is it is says keir starmer sounds like he has polyester

01:18:10.180 children and a double-knit wife i mean i'm you know i don't know i'm sure his children yeah i'm

01:18:16.340 sure his children are lovely but like i've just never heard that term polyester yeah that's an

01:18:20.260 interesting term um we'll uh we'll skip the video comments just for the uh sake of time and uh edward

01:18:26.100 longchant says zuby brings the kind of positivity we need to get through these next five years of labor

01:18:30.740 how positive are you feeling after looking at where things are going

01:18:33.380 dude um i left the country three years ago yeah um and it was yeah it was it was very bittersweet

01:18:42.020 it really was um i didn't want to leave kind of on the terms that i did but this was this was 2021

01:18:50.820 this was when um people like myself who are organic shall we say um did not want to take a certain

01:18:58.740 something and you know we're being massively threatened and saying there might you know prevent

01:19:02.500 people from traveling and stop people then i was like all right i guess i gotta leave now um and

01:19:07.940 yeah that's never been atoned for even slightly so yeah i love the uk in many ways and i've got lots

01:19:13.380 of people here i love but the country is really on a on a bad trajectory i know it gives me no joy

01:19:20.740 saying that like i'm an optimist by nature yeah i know um and i will say that i don't think things are

01:19:25.300 as bad as they may look as for on social media um but things are not trending in a positive

01:19:32.180 in a positive way the signs are good no it's not going in a good way and it's um in countries like

01:19:38.900 people are very i spend a lot of time in the us and americans are very very concerned about the us

01:19:42.900 as is the rest of the world but i think that maybe just because of the size and scale and wealth and 0.93

01:19:49.220 variety of the nation they're a bit more anti-fragile yeah um whereas in the uk it's kind of like if crap 0.68

01:19:56.500 goes down it really goes down right there's no texas you can move to or florida or right it's in

01:20:01.140 the states it's like okay california might get messed up but you can bounce without leaving the

01:20:06.020 whole nation you've got 49 other options whereas here it's kind of like small you can do move to

01:20:10.980 scotland yeah where are you gonna go it's worse by an island in scotland well there is that too

01:20:15.940 people are just being squeezed too hard man there needs to be some some optimism and genuine good

01:20:20.500 leadership how do you think things can turn around do you want me to give you the most honest answer

01:20:25.460 yeah return to christ man oh man return to christ in tradition people need the faith

01:20:32.900 the the incomplete people are here you know whether they're consider themselves christian or

01:20:39.380 not i saw you know richard dawkins a few weeks ago um you know you saw that viral clip where he was

01:20:45.060 complaining about the you know churches being churches and cathedrals you know be some being

01:20:49.700 turned into mosques or being turned into whatever and there's any just oh you know i quite like cathedrals

01:20:53.860 and this is like bro you spent your entire career yeah you spent your entire career like you there's

01:20:59.140 no vacuum yeah again there's no power like it's something we filled something will replace this

01:21:04.580 you're not going to just like whip out people's religiosity and they just believe in nothing no

01:21:08.660 they'll believe in the state they'll believe in politics they'll believe in leftism feminism

01:21:12.340 whatever ism or schism um but it's not going to be neutral and i think more and more people are

01:21:18.180 starting to wake up to that but on the deepest level i think that's what would be needed

01:21:23.060 yeah yeah uh rue the day says i personally have not once dumped plastic on the ground or in water

01:21:28.500 ever yet now i'm having to suck on a paper straw held together by god knows what yeah i know i know 0.64

01:21:33.460 it's all collective punishment oh the best is that some of the paper straws aren't some of them

01:21:38.020 still wrapped in plastic oh yeah yeah yeah yeah sometimes they come in a plastic wrap yeah yeah yeah

01:21:47.220 angel brain says you cannot allow communities to police themselves it will always arrive in petty

01:21:51.700 tyranny as the most extreme individuals will dominate the area yeah that's uh that's another

01:21:56.020 particular problem it's okay we're gonna let the police themselves okay do we not have any idea

01:22:00.100 of justice anymore do we not is that not something that concerns us um it's that's probably my major

01:22:05.540 concern at the moment with the uk and i don't think we have a fair and equitable justice system no not

01:22:10.580 even slightly you know like we've got time to investigate people for social media posts i just

01:22:15.620 flew back of the unfairness i thought am i going to get arrested at the airport it's a genuine thought

01:22:20.260 that crossed my mind like where are we right now that's well can i ask you guys both a question yeah

01:22:25.620 and this is um maybe maybe you haven't thought about this before and i'm not even trying to urge you

01:22:29.940 in either direction i'm just curious as to what your line is what would what would it take for you to

01:22:35.300 leave the uk how bad would it have to get for you to be like you know what i'm taking myself and my

01:22:41.380 family and we're gonna go somewhere else how bad would it have to be i mean for me personally it would

01:22:48.020 have to be a direct threat to my children but then i would probably send them somewhere else

01:22:52.900 because i'd want to stay myself and try and fix the problem okay no matter what it took basically so

01:22:59.140 my kids could come back got it okay i haven't talked about it publicly yet but i am going to leave

01:23:04.020 i'll talk about it properly on my common sense crusade at 3 p.m but yes i'm going to leave the

01:23:07.860 uk wow i love this country but i don't feel safe here anymore yeah that says a lot in itself okay

01:23:14.260 yeah no just just an inch i'm always curious as to like where people's where yeah where people's

01:23:19.220 lines where it would just be like you know like uh kevin says uh the kia the only creation that can

01:23:25.540 make the original terminator appear caring and compassionate uh well i mean yeah i'd rather be

01:23:31.380 having to deal with the original terminator than kia starma so i have more chance of persuading it

01:23:35.860 uh culture thug says kia starma was clearly grown in a lab to be the perfect manager of a mid-range

01:23:41.060 furniture store through some wacky series of events and stumbled into running the country

01:23:45.940 uh rude the day says this is not a real human person lads you are being managed by a droid

01:23:51.220 like yep it looks that way uh arizona desert rat says he looks and behaves like an npc

01:23:56.180 actually does look like the npc mean uh omar says starma senior created a tool to rival rival

01:24:02.980 oppenheimer and now i'm become death of the trooper yeah he was like oh my father was a toolmaker so

01:24:07.700 yeah but we didn't think he was geppetto like we didn't think he actually you know we thought

01:24:13.380 we thought he made other anyway what did he do i'm not aware he always says oh my father was a toolmaker

01:24:18.660 and i i now i'm just thinking of uh geppetto from nokia he's come to life but he's not become a real

01:24:25.780 boy you know okay gotcha it's just you know in the most literal sense his father carved him out of wood

01:24:34.980 just i just can't believe how one man can have so many years on the earth and so little to show for

01:24:41.140 it yeah have you seen joe biden well joe biden probably would be like no no joe biden he wasn't

01:24:46.980 insane when he was young he likes ice cream so he at least has a like joe biden does have like you

01:24:51.300 say he has a charisma about him like joe biden probably is like yeah my favorite book is x and

01:24:55.460 my favorite part why i like you this food yeah kia starmer's like yeah i can't remember why i'm here

01:25:01.220 um food paul says there was a time when those in authority had to open their bibles when considering

01:25:08.180 how to righteously govern bring it back you shall have the same rule for the sojourner as for the

01:25:13.380 native for i am the lord your god leviticus 24 22. i mean that would make sense that would be a good

01:25:19.380 idea uh derek says uh data before you got the emotion chip was more human than kia starmer

01:25:25.620 just it's only from kia starmer's own words uh that you're saying this uh jimbo says starmer again

01:25:32.340 saying there are progressive and democratic answers to the challenges we face going forward

01:25:36.660 if only we knew who had created these challenges to begin with i'm sure the democratic solution will

01:25:42.260 be to continue like this like it or not um no doubts frankly i'm at the i'm at the point where

01:25:48.980 i mean i it if i thought kia starmer had emotions i would be thinking that he's deliberately trying to

01:25:54.580 provoke the country against him right because i mean coming out i mean what his response to the

01:26:00.580 riots was essentially summed up in you don't have valid concerns and i'm not listening and these i could

01:26:06.500 i i probably will do like a little uh i'll go through his speeches and just clip out those

01:26:10.340 particular parts because he said them in a context but that's what people really heard right it's like

01:26:15.380 you you don't have valid concerns i'm not listening to you we're going to spend 30 million protecting

01:26:19.620 mosques it's like okay great um and so it's just a it just seems that he's trying to make everyone hate

01:26:26.740 it yeah i'm going to ban your smoking now and by the way i'm going to increase your taxes i'm going to 0.93

01:26:30.580 take away the payments that if you're nan i'm going to i'm going to make you suffer is kiss and 1.00

01:26:35.700 things are going to get worse literal quotes is there any western nation that in the past

01:26:39.860 15 to 20 years has like shifted right words or conservative oh uh quite a few on the continent

01:26:46.420 germany's going very conservative italy hungary yeah so they're more conser they're more conservative

01:26:54.900 now than they were say in 2010 yeah for 2015 yeah we're not there's a reaction yeah okay especially

01:27:02.820 in germany with the youth oh yeah uh the afd is something like 50 of the youth vote or something

01:27:07.540 like that at this point it's really high because the young people in germany are like oh wow we've

01:27:11.380 been sold out same with the the young french in uh france they swing heavily for le pen because

01:27:16.980 they're like hang on a second isn't global sorry you know what i don't think i asked the question

01:27:20.580 well i don't mean like in the hard political sense oh right i kind of more like socio-culturally um

01:27:28.980 not really because i feel like what's happening there is like a reactionary response to a leftward

01:27:33.300 shift right i think like everything's gone left and then they're kind of like okay it's going so

01:27:38.340 far that way we need to vote i i don't i don't know i don't think socially things have the only one

01:27:43.620 i would say is hungry when they're encouraging people to have families giving them tax breaks that kind

01:27:47.940 of stuff yeah yeah i said that's the only exception but it seems like people are outsourcing this moral

01:27:52.980 change to the yeah it seems whether you have the thing i find really fascinating is like the uk's

01:27:58.500 perhaps the best example of this because on paper you've like i said you've had conservative government

01:28:02.820 in charge if you think of all the madness that's happened in the past like 14 years and you pretty

01:28:08.260 much all of that was under a so-called conservative government all of the trans stuff all of the like

01:28:13.940 weird gender stuff all the weird lgbt stuff like all all the immigration stuff like all of it it's 1.00

01:28:19.860 like okay if that's a conservative government then where are the options yeah what's going on and in

01:28:25.860 the states the same way people are like who's actually running in the country like who's it seems

01:28:29.380 like no matter how we vote certain agendas are just like well it's definitely not joe biden running

01:28:36.020 the country that's the thing and everyone very obviously can see that um but right so we have uh

01:28:41.780 literally about a minute left zuby where can people find more of you sure i'm on uh x facebook

01:28:47.860 instagram youtube all the same handle at zuby music z-u-b-y music and if you get lost just go to

01:28:54.420 zuby music.com and you'll find links to everything great thanks so much for coming in man i appreciate

01:29:00.020 it man always a pleasure um right so that's all from us folks for no no not today no come back in half

01:29:06.260 an hour because calvin will be doing his common sense crusade uh and otherwise we will see you all

01:29:11.700 tomorrow god bless

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 29, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #989

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