The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #991
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the rise of the Alternative f r Germany (AfD) and their victory in the state of Thuringia, as well as the recent victory for the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) in the general election.
Transcript
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hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters for the 2nd of september 2024 and i am
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joined by stelios and bow the bowhawk sorry i'm bringing it back now the introductions although
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i'm sort of recycling old names the boa constrictor that's right yeah the ballistic missile
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and uh today we're going to be talking about the rise of the german right particularly the afd
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stelios is going to be telling us about brazil and their war against elon and bow is going to be
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telling us about how the poles are all lies sort of kind of kind of um we do have an announcement
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and that is that islander merch is now leaving the merch store in a week's time so get what you want
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as soon as possible before it's gone i actually wear some of the islander t-shirts outside of work
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just for my own pleasure not being a business shill purely because i like them so they get my seal
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of approval and that's not just because you know they make us money but also you walk down the road
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and women look at you wearing islander t-shirts and that's right it's definitely the t-shirt you know
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there's a kind of mystique there it's like what is this islander magazine starts up conversations
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everywhere i can't move but um yes t-shirts are there um i quite like them uh please check them
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out it's also a good way of supporting us if you know you want something in return but anyway enough
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of that let's talk about germany shall we so there's been much discussion about this historic victory for
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the afd in germany and what this basically means is that the afd the alternative for germany has won
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its first state election and that is the state of thuringia i think it's pronounced sorry if i'm
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mispronouncing it germans um i am english it's expected that i get language wrong and it'd be
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poor form to correct that trend now but yes they got 32.8 percent of the vote in that state which is
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well ahead of the second best and the christian democrat union with 23.6 percent so that's quite
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a significant margin of victory there isn't it it is and it was specifically with young people young
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people i think voted around 37 percent 37 38 something like that isn't it so i think it's 18 to 24 is
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actually the the bracket where they're doing the best and the older someone gets the less likely
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they are to vote for afd which sort of uh turns on its head the notion that you become more conservative
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as you get older because actually it's the other way around and it's the older people that are
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ruining everything for the younger people i feel like maybe germany that boomers in germany i think
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may be a sort of the worst affected by a sort of boomer truth right they've really since day one
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been hammered with guilt or whatever yes more than anywhere else in the world perhaps if you prioritize
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the uh the wants and needs of germany your evil is basically that the sentiment behind that right
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but um another province that's worth mentioning as well um here is uh the province of pharingia i'm sure
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i'm mispronouncing that sorry um but one i will not mispronounce is this one saxony um this is
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another province um where there have been elections going on and projections from this morning um suggest
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that the cdu the christian democratic union is going to win but by a narrow margin so 31.9 percent
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and the afd are predicted to get about 30.6 to 30.7 percent this is massive yeah it's still very close
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isn't it yeah and it's also worth mentioning as well the cdu have held this state since um the
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reunification of germany in 1990 and since the last election in 2019 the afd have gained around um
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three percent whereas the cdu have lost 0.2 percent yeah their traditional power party whereas afd is just
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rising right now it's interesting i wanted to ask actually i don't know if you'd know but
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that would clearly have been in east germany yes the other one that low thuringia oh sorry thuringia
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low thuringia sorry only a thousand years out of date there um was that in was that in east
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or west germany i sort of guess east germany but i don't know it's obviously geographically central
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germany but i think it would have still been in the east no i'm sure there'll be some germans that
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will say so in the comments yeah let us know i am googling it right now we've got a live fact check
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whether thuringia was behind the iron curtain and it says it was located in east central germany
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during the cold war yeah it was part of soviet occupied zone of germany so another interesting
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thing about saxony is the bsw which is a left-wing party that actually came out of um
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the the former communist party in east germany um but they are anti-immigration as well and they
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also did well i think they came third in in saxony i think it was good that they added the w because
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other ones you know the bs party doesn't sound you know what they're very interested i've not heard
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that i wonder what their actual take is what their angle is on that are they full-blown commies or are they
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just socialists socially conservative but economically socialist okay so they're like
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against giving ukraine weapons which i thought was interesting from the left um you do get it though
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don't you um but this is also interesting as well because it's splitting the left-wing vote between
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multiple different parties because it's a recent splinter group and um it's also worth mentioning um we
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have a store and it's selling some t-shirts at the minute um all of the islander merch that we've
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been selling and uh if you live under a rock this this wonderful magazine um yes we have t-shirts
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associated with it some of the the graphics inside the magazine have been turned into t-shirts and you'll
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no longer be able to buy these by the end of the week so if you would like a nice t-shirt i personally
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wear some of these t-shirts outside of the office just in my daily life and so i do recommend them and
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you want to support us this is a good way of doing so so i just thought i'd throw that one out there
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limited edition in a few years they'll be worth thousands yeah there'll be um you know multi
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millionaire collectors trying to buy your t-shirt off of you i'm sure is rare as champagne off the titanic
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and even more sought after so it's worth mentioning a little bit about the german system because
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processing these um election results um needs some sort of background so no that's just before you
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go it's the guy that won is the equivalent of an mp or is he like a mayor so what is it it's the state
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legislature i'm actually going to go into explaining this right now okay so all right sorry that's all
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right um so germany has a sort of federal system um it's structured federally in other words and this
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grants a reasonable level of autonomy to its states in areas such as things like education policing
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culture and infrastructure and things like that not too dissimilar to some you know aspects of the uk
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system as well and states also have representation in a federal legislative body that plays a central
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role in believe it or not federal legislation and these like the rash tag that it's that what that is
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thing well it's got its own name that's distinct from that there's obviously the national parliament
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but there's also federal ones but anyway um these elections are also very significant in setting the
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tone of the national elections because of course um these elections are ongoing and you know the best
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way of predicting what happens in a national election is looking at what happened in these state elections
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and they're also a proving ground for policies at a national level so the fact that the afd have got their
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foot in the door and they can start um saying look we can have results here our policies actually do
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work um that that is if you know things go well of course then that is quite important as well so each
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of the 16 states in germany holds elections for their state parliament and this usually happens every
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five years although some hold them every four years they're allowed to do that such as bremen and
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therefore not every single state has one at once it's also worth mentioning that these are
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held using a proportional voting system which means that if a party is to assume the position
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of the state government that we usually have to be in coalition with another party
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so does that answer what you're pretty much going to ask i think so yeah okay so what is important is
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that olaf schultz uh the chancellor of germany um is urging german parties to exclude the afd
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of course um from any coalitions to prevent them from being able to form governments basically
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and um he belongs to the social democratic party um which are obviously opposed to the afd
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need i say that he's gonna pull a macron yeah there are parallels and i did think to mention macron
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actually that macron aligned himself in france with the left to try and keep the right out and it seems
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to be that a similar thing is going on in germany as well um however it may be difficult in the future
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for um parties like his to actually secure places in government because with the rise of the afd and
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also the bsw on the left splitting the right and left vote yeah the majorities are going to be much less
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and there might be more coalitions not less in which case party may simply say well actually
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we do want to be in government and therefore we will go in coalition with one of these parties
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even though they're being gate kept out of power i don't think that the the notion of a coalition is
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irreparably bad in this case so long as there is a minimum amount of agreement on some things like
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you know open borders policies and stuff reject them you know yeah well i think that the entire
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german systems founded on collaboration in in terms of political parties isn't it so there's a certain
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inevitability to it but if they all agree amongst themselves to keep the afd out that is a kind of
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underhanded way of minimizing their political influence but it's also an act of desperation because
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they're not doing that to other political parties they go into coalition with potentially competitors
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yeah i heard it said back in the merkel days a number of times when they were they worried that
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the afd might win one tiny thing they would all of them would say openly yeah we will do anything we
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will form any coalition any combination of any parties to make sure they don't get a sniff of power
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yes isn't it of course that has actually been taken it's actually been played out with making me
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recently where you mentioned macron so yeah they'll do that in germany 100 examples in germany in a
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minute but can i say one thing before we do this so macron also risks being impeached now doesn't he
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yeah right so it doesn't work well so the media have also been carrying water for this so what is
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interesting about this headline from politico german far-right wins first major election since world
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war ii why is world war ii significant in this instance oh right they're trying to suggest that
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there's some sort of ideological free line between the national socialist party of the mid-century
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germans the mustache man and the afd aren't they that's what they're trying to do by association
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but of course they can't outrightly just say these people are you know they're armband enthusiasts
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they're not going to say that are they because that might be libelous and so they're using methods
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like this to try and basically smear them as much as they possibly can that's a funny one i haven't
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heard before armband enthusiasts came up with it on the spot actually very good um also um the times
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here germany far-right has first big win since nazis the the times being very explicit there in their
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association of course this isn't the case and we're going to be looking at what the afd actually advocates
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for soon enough and uh in the past they've been designated as extremists and and interestingly
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enough the two regions where they were designated extremists are the two where they've done the best
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saxony anhalt of course saxony and uh herringia so they've come first in a province in which they
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were designated an extremist group that shows how much that designation is worth doesn't it the power
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of strasand yeah it also shows that a lot of people right now are not trusting the establishment and
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they they see it this way so if the establishment however we define it constantly demonizes one party
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and people think that that the establishment doesn't promote their interests they're gonna start
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becoming very interested in their party well i think also people are losing faith in institutions
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more generally because they realize that institutions are made up of people people can be biased and be
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politically partisan i i i don't know if i agree entirely on this because we cannot but have
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institutions i think that well of course but they're a bit selective they've lost their yeah sort of
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people used to believe that they could do no wrong and i think that they've they've come to a more
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realistic um perspective so i think in many ways germany is a sort of a more accelerated version of
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britain in all sorts of senses one that they've been deracinated and gaslit more than we have
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in guilt tripped more than we have and also flooded with syrians and afghans and everything more than we have
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right so i think i feel like they are a bit further down the road than we are
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mm-hmm um in in most senses yeah well that's certainly the case and like the brits not actually
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inclined to get angry and go mad and riot and stuff not actually inclined that way naturally or anything
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yes but um they tend to be quite civil in it takes a lot right yeah extremely civil right it takes a lot
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before they sort of go berserk um but they've been pushed harder perhaps the hardest in europe or
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western i would say so yeah and there definitely is a limit to how much people can be pushed sure
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so there's also this as well which hasn't helped uh the media representation so this is uh i'm gonna
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mispronounce his name sorry bjorn hooker uh i don't know but that's the best guess louts
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excuse me i think it's bjorn hooker okay thank you told me yeah sorry if i mispronounced it
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you've got brits and greeks i'm afraid but stelios you did a bit of german didn't you but anyway yeah he
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um was the chair and still may well be of the afd in pharingia and he was found guilty of
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intentionally deploying a slogan used by the nazi party's um palominicary wing which is the sa and
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what that was was everything for germany which doesn't sound like one of the worst ones to me
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but yes germany has very strict laws and this sort of thing you know you can't
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uh do the roman salute and things like that um there are lots of laws that have been put in place
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to prevent this sort of thing and this is a very easy thing that people can point to and say look
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see they are the same but it could he he just claims it was an honest mistake i don't know i'd
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be quite surprised if you grew up in germany and you didn't know the association of that slogan
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but even so i still think people should be free to say it if they want to it's that classic thing
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where we're we're in the point where any patriotism any nationalism even very very weak
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milk toast nationalism any any tip of the cap to nationalism is well that's what the the nsdap
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were that's what hitler was so you can't do you you're the same as hitler you want concentration camps
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because you don't hate your own country i mean that's where we are isn't it yeah well it's pretty
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flagrant as well the way in which they're going about it it's so in your face that even to your
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normal person you know hang on a minute maybe you know my country isn't so bad and i think that it
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doesn't really resonate with ordinary people in a way that they would hope but um it is worth
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mentioning as well the afd's manifesto is now available you don't need um a vpn anymore and
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setting it to germany to be able to read it and it's also in english so if you are curious about what
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what they believe um here it is so i've previously pointed out i think in a segment with you stelios
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um that their their views on democracy and their sort of core values which is chapter one of their
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manifesto like they want a leaner government they want less big government they want a greater
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separation of powers um hang on are you sure samson i'm sure josh so yeah they are we gonna get banned
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just for just mentioning it limit the influence and power of political parties it's so radical
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they want free elections of candidates they want to curtail lobbyism i mean this this doesn't sound
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like the the actions of the nsdap does it where's the mention of labels from yeah it's funny that but
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yes let's see there is a reasonable section on immigration here no regular immigration sort of
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talking about asylum immigration from other eu countries it's all pretty normal stuff
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the afd to my mind look like a classically liberal party to call them far right or hard right or extreme
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right or even uh national socialists is so far off the mark from what they're putting forward that
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it's ridiculous i i'll read it and see if there is any mentioning of the word uber mensch
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there's not so it's also worth mentioning polling at the minute this is the the national parliament
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voting intention so the afd are polling second um and the cdu is still pretty static this is
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um just over the course of you know a few months really a year or so and i don't see them necessarily
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closing the gap here however they may be able to drag the cdu rightwards and get some concessions
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in terms of immigration perhaps it'll have to see how it goes because they are also trying to
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persecute them obviously it started with them it started in 2015 with merkel who i think was in
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cdu yes that's right yeah also foreshadowing my segment we really trust what politico is telling us
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here not really but a lot of the polls seem to be indicating similar things and i think that there
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is a reasonable cohort of people that are still voting for the cdu and uh it's also worth mentioning
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this if we can zoom out a little bit from this samson i don't have the means to do so um so this is
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saxony of course one of the states that we talked about where the afd narrowly
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lost out so the afd are that blue line there and the cdu are that black line there we can see
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since 1994 all the way to 2024 over the past 30 years that the cdu have been on a trend of decline
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and it looks like since september of 2014 uh the afd have been on the rise and it's to the point now
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where it looks like the two lines are going to intersect and the afd are going to take over
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in the future if you're taking this sort of long view of german politics and i think that this
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actually might be what other people have been looking at in the sort of uh german regime if
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you will and saying hang on a minute if we let this carry on the afd are only going to continue to gain
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so we need to act now to keep them out otherwise they're going to continue to
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to be a thorn in our side basically and upset our plans but this sort of it indicates some sort
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of positive change in germany that people are moving towards the afd to alternative right-wing
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parties rather than the establishment ones which is promising and we have to mention if we take
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this into account and i think that there is some plausibility to it that in a space of 10 years
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because it's september 14 and now it's september 24 they nearly tripled their numbers from a 10
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percent they're around to 30 percent yes yeah so even if the trend slows down it's still pretty
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strong isn't it it is i mean tripling your electoral base in 10 years it's it's it's it's an important
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thing it's it's an achievement no that's a good observation yeah and also i read a lot of people
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who claim to be surprised and they're saying you know the afd is rising yeah it's rising because of
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the policies that the eu is promoting the last 10 years and then no wonder yeah if you control
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immigration and stop suicidal green energy policy yeah that's how they're going to stop the the the
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far right as they call it you cannot love the cause and hate the effect i mean that's how it goes if
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you're a rational human being it's also interesting to see between about 2014 and 16 or 17 that the cdu
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fall off the cliff a bit or they rebound at the same time as the afd get a spike what happened
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something happening around then was that when germany started realizing that they'd been flooded by
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with columnists i'm not entirely sure it might be uh what happened around that time well wasn't it when
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merkel when was it when merkel opened the doors and just letting a million syrians i think it could
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be yeah 15. yeah yeah that could be it um but anyway the final thing i wanted to end on is that
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brandenburg is set to have its election on the 22nd of september and the afd are now leading the polls
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so this is something to pay attention to because it could be that gradually the afd are going to start
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taking over uh state governments and this is significant as well because of course brandenburg
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surrounds berlin and uh it'd be very symbolic to uh to take that that province i think and so
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yes some positive news obviously keep an eye on the persecution of the afd because i think they
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are a perfectly legitimate political party i think they have a right to exist
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um they seem to me to be classically liberal uh with some socially conservative policies certainly not uh
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you know they're not national socialists very far from it and um i hope them i hope they do well i
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hope it all goes well for germany because i don't think the german people deserve what has been imposed
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upon them one thing to mention about a year ago now i suppose something like that i interviewed peter
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bohringer remember that at all so that's on course yeah he's one of the chairman of he's one of the vice
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chairman of afd i think they've got loads of we've vice chair it's worth mentioning we've spoke to
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a few people from the afd over the years haven't we on our website so if you want to check those out
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and he's a perfectly reasonable rational completely normal dare i say even milky so i was far too
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extreme for him i was saying stuff and he's like oh i can't say so they're normal guys they just
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don't want to see their country utterly annihilated from within right that's that's all they are
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absolutely so we've got some rumble chats i believe so um keith for 20 thank you very much says if you
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can't answer this it's all right but how many of the lotus eaters will be want to be visiting the
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reform uk conference in birmingham i'll be there at least um i don't know i'm i don't know whether
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people are actually going to that or not i think karl is going okay i think i think i might be wrong so
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sorry karl if i'm wrong about that i think karl said he was going there was going to take a camera
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but i'm not going i think me and dan would and probably karl but karl doesn't care
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certainly me and dan will be persona non grata i wouldn't be welcome there absolutely wouldn't be
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welcome um i've got better ways to spend my time uh to be honest yeah i i don't really trust reform that
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much to be honest yeah they're containment as far as i can tell where's where has nigel been these last
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few weeks he's been useless yeah where has he been he should be he should be banging that drum about
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the slaughter of the innocents in southport hmm he's been more concerned about preserving his own skin
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really keeping his powder dryer yeah so laura konigsberg can't have a pop at him so uh saxony
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anhalt and saxony are not the same thing uh i know they've got different names um old eagle
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there's the rise of the afd can coincides with the youth becoming able to vote and the wussified
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older germans are dying out the germans who hate themselves aren't reproducing which leaves a vacuum
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for the youth that seems to be what is going on isn't it no thank you very much
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yeah right let's sort the technology first the passing of the mouse the sacred custom at load seat
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right right a few days ago x was banned in brazil and this was the outcome of a feud that has lasted
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for a long time now between elon musk and alexander demoraes who is one of the judges in brazil and i
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think it is obvious that it's not just one judge there's a whole brazilian government behind him right
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here we have this uh post bolsonaro is speaking about the brazilian supreme court banning x and vpns
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x being forced out of brazil is yet another hard blow to our freedom today we woke up without x
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and they once accused me of being a dictator this is interesting because i remember some time ago there
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was one progressive you know so-called progressive i i knew who just instantly out of nowhere just said
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obviously we're supporting lula said no no there's nothing's obvious about it just why should i support
00:27:10.640
lula or something wait i think yeah sort of borderline communist or something just not my cup of tea
00:27:21.760
right here we have the main antagonist in this case we have alexander demoraes who is he does look
00:27:27.040
uniquely evil doesn't he just to throw it out there yeah save everyone commenting on on you know
00:27:32.640
brazil's supreme federal court minister they say that he looks like a super villain we are going
00:27:38.880
to say a bit more than that because a lot of people have focused on how he looks like daft potato yeah
00:27:44.640
anyone that's bald gets accused of being a super villain sometimes i get that i look like a bond
00:27:48.320
feeling like i don't know what they what they mean by that but um maybe you have a cat and you're
00:27:55.520
stroking the cat there a white cat with a blue and green eye it's that big red button that you press and
00:28:02.080
the floor falls through yeah mr burns that that's what does it so we have an article here by huffington
00:28:07.520
post you could read it and basically it says that there's a long feud going uh about for about a month
00:28:14.480
now and what happened is that demoraes asked elon to ban and suspend some accounts and name a
00:28:23.760
representative elon declined that as we will see in the in due course one of the persons that
00:28:32.160
the judge asked elon to censor is a senator a brazilian senator so it's definitely political censoring
00:28:39.440
and basically at some point elon didn't appoint a representative demoraes gave him a 24 hours
00:28:45.680
deadline elon elon didn't do anything and basically he said that we are going to ban
00:28:52.400
x from brazil and a lot of people are using vpns to enter x and they say that we are going to impose
00:28:59.680
a fine of around eight thousand nine hundred dollars daily to people who use vpn people and businesses
00:29:07.280
who use vpn to access so there's a couple of things to be said here and the first thing is that
00:29:13.680
the legal representative for x or for elon that seemed like they were trying to get elon to offer
00:29:19.600
up a sacrificial lamb basically as my understanding and two anyone that wants to ban vpns does not have
00:29:26.160
your best interests at heart they want to ban you anonymously accessing stuff as is your right you have
00:29:33.760
a right to a private life under pretty much every form of constitution ever and if people don't want
00:29:40.800
that then they're out to harm you exactly and i think the same goes with censorship at large because
00:29:47.520
people who want to deprive us of the of speech and of the right to speak also want to deprive us of the
00:29:54.080
right to point out abuse of power so this is pretty much news to me i've heard rumblings seen a few
00:30:01.680
headlines but to hear that brazil or just there's just a blanket ban on all vpns any type of vpn
00:30:09.040
a blanket fine if you use one fine is for people who not for people who use vpn but for people who
00:30:17.360
use vpn to access x right okay so still a blanket ban of of twitter though yes that is that is definitely
00:30:27.040
definitely dictatorial yeah dictatorial censorship the terry gilliam film is looking all the more
00:30:32.400
sort of prophetic now isn't it yeah we have here a former judge of the brazilian supreme court who said
00:30:39.520
basically that she was the first and only active judge in brazil to denounce the abusers of the court
00:30:45.280
and she says essentially that it was clear that what would happen if demoraes continued in his position
00:30:50.480
would be a loss in freedoms and you can see her here she's talking about demoraes and how the
00:30:58.720
brazilian supreme court can be weaponized against the people's freedoms right we have here michael
00:31:06.160
schellenberger talking about here about thousands of brazilians resisting the orders and using vpns to
00:31:14.160
access x and we also have here someone in brazil who is very open about using vpns we have here marsh
00:31:22.240
marcel van hatton who is a political and a scientist and journalist and he is basically saying that
00:31:31.760
this tweet may cost me almost 10 000 us dollars but in in i am tweeting this with vpn and he is
00:31:39.840
essentially saying that the government is acting in a very censorious and authoritarian manner so i
00:31:46.720
think that's a brave post it's a brave post yeah right we have here also michael schellenberger
00:31:54.000
saying that what is particularly interesting is that kamala harris and joban have made virtually zero
00:32:02.000
statements about this i wonder why yeah what a surprise what a surprise well obviously this works
00:32:08.800
in their favor doesn't it it damages elon's reputation and it's one of the the arms of you
00:32:14.720
know the regime that aren't explicitly controlled because of course we know that the fbi for example
00:32:20.800
is politically partisan because they've repeatedly ruled in favor of the democrats and they were in
00:32:27.200
communication with all of the social media companies to suppress things like the hunter
00:32:30.800
biden laptop story which they lied about being russian disinformation as well as a whole host of
00:32:36.720
other things you know that fauci parody accounts being taken down during the pandemic even though
00:32:42.080
there were parody accounts just anything that could potentially damage the reputation of the regime and
00:32:48.480
their schemes was suppressed so this is great for them there are definitely vested interests on a global
00:32:57.040
level to bring down x because x is one of the platforms of free speech and you can use free speech to
00:33:05.200
point out abuses of power and we see throughout the world especially in the western world because in the
00:33:11.120
non-western world things are a bit more authoritarian by nature i think it's it's not a weird thing to say
00:33:17.120
we see especially in the western world a very organized effort to do this and a very organized effort to
00:33:24.400
criticize and demonize anyone who would point out abuses of power as you know far-right racists and
00:33:30.720
extremists and whatever right so there are two things here that arise two issues that need to be
00:33:38.000
discussed and obviously i'm no legal expert and i'm not going to be commenting about the issues and
00:33:42.960
intricacies of brazilian law but one question here is the question of whether brazilian law has been
00:33:48.640
violated by x and the other question is obviously the not insignificant question of free speech which
00:33:54.640
we will talk about during the end of the segment so we have here a lot of people who are saying that
00:34:02.400
elon already has violated brazilian law and there is a whole host of people celebrities and all sorts of
00:34:15.200
um intellectuals you know especially guardian types mark ruffalo yeah a famous intellectual
00:34:24.400
we'll go to we'll go to we'll go to guardian in the in the next slide mark ruffalo steeped in
00:34:29.280
political theory i mean the political theory of the left of contemporary left isn't that weird to get
00:34:35.440
steeped into them yeah they really bring down intellectuals to the level of people who have no
00:34:41.760
no you know are not initiated into the ways of thinking but mark ruffalo say here but essentially
00:34:48.000
that he's a weird and entitled billionaire tech bro tax him heavily and what i want to say this i
00:34:53.440
find this particularly appalling because all these you know sensitive leftist progressive types they
00:35:00.080
constantly make it especially when they're talking about latin america and they do so also when it
00:35:04.960
comes to venezuela they claim to speak in favor of the people but they constantly reduce all
00:35:12.240
questions to dilemma dilemmas between the government of a latin american country and someone from
00:35:19.280
outside so for instance in venezuela they constantly talk about the venezuelan people but
00:35:24.400
they reduce everything to a question of u.s versus maduro and here they reduce everything to a question of
00:35:30.960
of elon versus brazilian government well if you make a distinction between the people and the
00:35:36.080
people who rule them it it weakens the power that they have over them doesn't it exactly yeah and
00:35:41.920
that's why in mainstream media you constantly hear people saying brazil rather than the brazilian
00:35:47.280
government and do so the same for any country in order to blur the lines between the state and the
00:35:53.440
people i'm not represented in my parliament so why would anyone else be we have here robert reich in the
00:35:59.680
guardian now this guy is talking about it he says he may be the richest man in the world but that
00:36:04.880
doesn't mean we're powerless to stop him and essentially he's saying that x has been used to
00:36:11.200
spread disinformation hatred he's talking about how x was used in england during the southport
00:36:20.240
tragedies and what came afterwards essentially he says that he's rapidly transforming his enormous
00:36:26.720
wealth he's the richest person in the world into a huge source of unaccountable political power that's
00:36:32.480
now backing trump and other authoritarians around the world i find this very appalling and one-sided
00:36:39.840
for one reason because when it when it comes to i really hate the bigotry of people who call themselves
00:36:46.400
anti-authoritarians because i call myself an anti-authoritarian as well but one of the
00:36:52.160
one of the tests i use to see if someone is really honest about it is to see if they if they care
00:36:58.960
about authoritarianism both from both sides so you have people right now who constantly focus on the
00:37:07.520
duties of people whether they're rich or not they constantly focus on the on the duties of the governed
00:37:15.040
and they constantly try to um say that anyone who insists that those who govern do have duties
00:37:22.720
to their own people is a far-right extremist and a racist when they do this no they're they're
00:37:28.960
they're absolutely not in not against authoritarianism they're pro their own authoritarianism of course
00:37:35.200
yeah that robert reich is um an absolute scumbag a mentalist an actual mentalist
00:37:41.760
right oh he's worried about trump and authoritarians around the world i don't hear him saying anything
00:37:46.320
about xi jinping can't remember the last time he talked said anything about the authoritarianism in
00:37:52.640
china yeah well that's where he gets his economics from because he's certainly no economist that i uh
00:37:58.080
respect he uploads to twitter all the time as well so that the notion that it's something evil and yet
00:38:05.040
he's on there posting his nonsense yeah you constantly see that we saw also also with ian
00:38:10.640
dund and who was the other careful how you pronounce his name i use that d okay that's getting out of
00:38:21.600
context paul mason all these people they constantly you know they constantly focus on the responsibilities
00:38:28.000
of people to obey the government irrespective of whether the laws and decrees are sensible
00:38:35.840
and uh they always say that anyone who in who would dare to insist that the to insist that governments
00:38:42.400
do have responsibilities towards their own people is a bad person and i think that they they are bad people
00:38:49.120
a filth yeah right so um elon here is responding to some people who are again saying that somehow
00:38:57.280
brazilian law has been violated and he said he has set up an account or not necessarily elon but he
00:39:04.720
has marketed it and pointed people's attention to it called alexander files that is an account that is
00:39:11.920
specifically dedicated to criticizing alexander demoraes okay it says this account will reveal the
00:39:19.440
unlawful directive issues to x by alexander demoraes and they have here something that is really
00:39:26.800
interesting and they're saying look at the order from demoraes in the left and also the law of brazil
00:39:34.400
in the right now they have this in in portuguese which i think is the language of brazil but i do
00:39:42.400
remember that there was a a translated version right so there is an ongoing dispute also about whether
00:39:51.840
brazilian law has been violated or not and whether the decrease by x by x and also the other side
00:39:59.520
insists that perhaps it is the decrease of demoraes that go against the laws of brazil but also the
00:40:05.920
spirit of the laws of any free country or any country that wants to call itself free right so we have here
00:40:12.400
something else a lot of people are criticizing elon for allegedly doxing the accounts he didn't want
00:40:19.440
to suspend but i think that there may be another way to look at it because if we point out here we will
00:40:26.400
see that we there is the order of the supreme court and the seven accounts followed by names now the issue
00:40:37.120
here is that i i wouldn't necessarily call that doxing when it comes to the government because
00:40:42.800
the government already has the names of these people and with respect to lots of plenty of them
00:40:49.200
they asked for specific names so the government already knew now speaking of that i don't know
00:40:56.480
exactly if this is the best way to go about it maybe they could have blurred the names or something
00:41:01.200
that's just a question to put out because i want to show you a lot of the stats sorry just to be
00:41:07.600
clear the names of who what the accounts in which um the brazilian judiciary wanted censored i think yes
00:41:15.360
you see here we have the supreme tribunal federal and they are saying essentially that they want to
00:41:23.840
ban these accounts so this is the brazilian government asking elon to yeet these people
00:41:28.800
yes okay and they already have the names of these people right now i don't know if with the account
00:41:35.200
maybe they could have blurred the names or something because obviously in brazil there are people who
00:41:40.960
are pro the government and maybe the safety of these people is at stake this is just something to
00:41:46.800
bear in mind right here we go to the so what i wanted to say with a section is that it isn't by any
00:41:54.160
means obvious that x has banned has violated brazilian law as a lot of people want to make us think
00:42:03.040
now we go to the issue of free speech which isn't particularly small i think and i would say that
00:42:08.960
essentially calls for censoring free speech are calls for criminalizing the means by which people can
00:42:16.480
expose actual and potential abuses of power by governments so if people are censorious yeah i'm i'm
00:42:23.920
i'm not going to show mercy i'm not going to be well disposed towards them because i when they
00:42:30.560
want to deprive me of the means of exposing their actual or potential abuses of power well i just don't
00:42:38.000
trust them well what it fundamentally boils down to is the the enemies of ordinary people using their
00:42:44.880
um elected power yeah to to silence any criticism that would be of concern to ordinary people it's
00:42:52.000
antithetical to this notion of representative democracy yes and it's not just an issue of
00:42:56.880
theory we also see how it plays out here in europe we live there every day people who just dare to
00:43:04.800
say that governments have responsibilities towards us towards their own people we're branded as bad
00:43:12.320
people and that's appalling we have here adf says that the state of freedom of expression in brazil is
00:43:19.040
dire censorship has been normalized and there are widespread unlawful restrictions of online speech
00:43:24.800
and criminal proceedings to chill and penalize online expression by journalists influencers and
00:43:30.560
politicians can i make a broader point of course um broadly speaking censorship doesn't work certainly
00:43:39.760
not for very long if you look at some of the most censorious societies that have ever been
00:43:44.240
perhaps maoist era china or stalinist era soviet union or even if you go back centuries go back to
00:43:53.040
sort of um the papal states at the height of their censorship against luther or something it might work
00:44:00.720
briefly if you really crack down on it really crack down you know smash up any means of reprinting the
00:44:08.320
information and kill anyone that found propagating it and stuff okay maybe for a bit but eventually
00:44:14.960
the truth will out nearly always yeah we know what happened in maoist era china now we know
00:44:20.400
all the crimes of stalin really we know all the attempts that failed for censorship throughout
00:44:26.560
throughout the centuries more or less they're not going to be able to do it even if they even if
00:44:31.200
twitter disappeared elon and twitter disappeared tomorrow it's not going to stop people exchanging
00:44:38.480
information again if you look at the soviet union perhaps after a bit after stalin you know it's a
00:44:43.680
very very very very very censorious police state yeah it doesn't stop people underground journalists it
00:44:49.760
doesn't stop people talking so they've it's it's a they're not going to be able to do it the brazilian
00:44:56.480
government's not going to be able to stop people from exchanging information from noticing
00:45:01.040
reality and talking about it amongst themselves yeah whether online or not um the the thing that
00:45:07.280
comes to mind is that a lot of western governments are doing this and they obviously know that this
00:45:11.520
doesn't work because we've got so many examples throughout history and part of me has been
00:45:15.600
entertaining the idea that maybe they only need it to work for the short term and it won't matter
00:45:19.920
by the time people find out maybe maybe and also counterpoint just to against what i just said there
00:45:26.880
on some level it can work quite well for example the uh the laptop from hell you know if you can
00:45:34.560
censor it in just enough yeah plus just enough doubt in people's mind for a window of time
00:45:40.800
then it can achieve some of its aims an intended effect that we can't go into because of certain
00:45:47.120
guidelines and places where this goes out sorry i just wanted to make sure you're not wrong yeah
00:45:53.760
you're not wrong don't want to get us in trouble here we have a counter argument to what i just said
00:45:58.320
they have from creaky news and they say that the arrest of telegram ceo and brazil's ban of
00:46:05.200
x are more about tech companies flaunting their unchecked power than they are about freedom of speech
00:46:11.680
now one thing you could say that to a level obviously the more power you have the more you
00:46:19.440
can abuse it but the same goes for mainstream outlets and governments so that that's very
00:46:29.040
one-sided when people who say obviously the more power you have and if you are the world's richest man
00:46:34.480
you do have power and it doesn't mean that you can always that you always necessarily use it for good
00:46:40.080
you can use it for good you can use it for bad but the thing is that if what what is interesting here
00:46:46.080
is that a lot of mainstream outlets and a lot of governments are attacking elon's ex and elon musk
00:46:52.960
personally in this case and in doing so yet again they are make it making it all about the responsibilities
00:47:01.680
of people towards governments never about governments towards their own people the question of what
00:47:08.720
responsibilities and duties governments have towards their own people is being completely
00:47:13.520
thrown away by this rhetoric yes the more power you have the more you the more you can use it and
00:47:20.400
the more you can use it for better or worse i trust elon musk more than i trust my government
00:47:25.040
same because they didn't because he hasn't tried to censor me and i don't exactly trust elon musk
00:47:30.400
that much yeah obviously so just being pro elon musk here doesn't mean that you have to be a fanboy
00:47:37.680
saying that elon mass can do no wrong any anyone with power they can do right or wrong of course
00:47:46.000
it does seem to me very clear that what's going on here is simply that elon isn't towing the line
00:47:51.760
the message yeah he's not on board with their megalomania whatever it is whatever the grand
00:47:59.600
plan is is to censor the whole world certainly the west or even present most of the world actually he's
00:48:06.080
not on board with that program it's just as simple as that if he was if he was pliant a bit more like
00:48:11.600
zuck or someone even more pliant than that um then there wouldn't be this outrage this there
00:48:17.440
won't be a problem exactly yeah would there so it's simply it's simply that isn't it they want
00:48:22.240
to make alternative media into a an extension of mainstream media we have here the one meme to end
00:48:29.840
with brazil is facing a censorship crisis that threatens our democracy free speech and the checks
00:48:34.400
and balances between the branches of government and what i want to say here is that it's just it is
00:48:40.880
ironic but to be expected at this point because leftists are constantly talking about democracy and
00:48:46.320
their democracy but you can't have democracy without dialogue and that and you don't have to think
00:48:53.360
that democracy even is the best system to say this you can't have democracy without dialogue you can't
00:48:59.280
have dialogue without free speech so if you are against free speech you're against democracy it's
00:49:04.160
just just as simple as that and here we have by royce jacob again pointing out that there is a globally
00:49:11.120
synchronized operation of people who are basically saying elon musk and x is a threat to
00:49:16.240
our democracy meaning that our is something quite different than what the people would use to say
00:49:24.080
because it's an our democracy that excludes people and we see this because all of these people are
00:49:30.720
constantly trying to tell us that if we demand things from the government if we constantly saying
00:49:36.880
that the duties have that the government has duties towards us we are brandished as bad people
00:49:43.200
have these people even read lock no the social contract with vintage car benjamin quote
00:49:52.320
the responsibilities of of uh government have they even
00:49:59.840
i i don't think so but even i some of them may have but they have the marxist interpretation it's like
00:50:05.600
the russonian version of lot where the government can do anything actually yes yeah right so before we
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voice of god yeah stroke apple jesus samson yeah the bush has spoken bold eagle 1787 a counterpoint to
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the morons who think x being banned and telegram ceo being arrested is a good thing why do you not
00:52:26.320
care about big tech flaunting their power to keep regimes in power hypocrites yeah as if big tech
00:52:32.640
isn't involved in mainstream media or something just come on take it away okay have i got control of
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okay i've got i've got i've got control the mouse all right let's just talk a little bit about
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polls and polling uh because holes they're uh good people winged hussars good plumbers good taxi drivers
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yeah um terrible history terrible very very sad history it is actually holes no i'm talking about
00:53:03.280
polling e-o-double-l not the people not the great and noble people from poland um so yeah just talk
00:53:11.520
about polls a bit because um like everything else in our world it seems now that it's been completely
00:53:17.760
corrupted um and you have to be extremely careful where something you could have kind of taken for
00:53:22.960
granted just a few years back um now you have to be extremely careful what you're looking at
00:53:28.560
and i guess that is the world we're living in some sort of post-truth world or some sort of truth
00:53:33.360
augmented world where um i happen to think i hope i'm not being massively arrogant here but i'm having
00:53:41.120
studied history um it puts me in good stead because when you study history you have to look at the source
00:53:47.360
first and foremost before you really dig into what's being said look at who the historian is or the
00:53:52.400
source and have a look at them first who they are where they're coming from what biases they might
00:53:59.040
have and once you've taken all that into account then look at what they're saying yeah and only then
00:54:04.960
really can you start to even hope to be getting at what's really happening or what you're really being
00:54:11.040
presented with um now hopefully a lot of people most of our audience i'm sure do that on the daily
00:54:16.880
basis now with their news intake right you have to do that with the news you can't just take what the
00:54:21.280
mainstream corporate media news tell you or even what we're telling you because of course we're
00:54:25.120
we're biased but we're quite open about it what we well that's what we're part of the reason why
00:54:30.000
our company exists is that we present you what we think but we don't try and dress it up as
00:54:34.960
here's objective reality you know it's basically here's our opinion on something and it's up to you
00:54:40.880
to basically judge us right and and sort of make a character judgment on us specifically the person
00:54:47.120
presenting the segment which makes it easier because you're not having to judge an entire
00:54:51.680
media organization which might be faceless you're just having to judge one person or a couple of
00:54:56.560
people yeah which makes it a lot easier uh to assess whether it's valid or not really doesn't it
00:55:02.800
we're coming from the right side of the aisle at least centrally some of us are sensible centrists
00:55:08.080
and some of them are more some of us are more right leaning than that but we sort of open about it
00:55:12.960
you can take it or leave it sometimes you see uh coping leftists in our comments saying you guys
00:55:17.360
are no different when we have a go at the the biased mainstream media they're like you guys are
00:55:21.200
no different yeah yeah we know yeah we know different well we are at least we're being open
00:55:25.600
about it we're not saying that we have the truth we don't say yeah hang on a minute that's
00:55:30.560
disinformation we're not the arbiters of objective truth we're not claiming to be that speak for
00:55:35.200
yourself yeah he knows everything immaculate immaculate at all times um no so and this sort
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of now extends beyond just the the news fake news it extends to polls and polling yeah that now i
00:55:52.160
think you have to be now extremely careful with any poll that you see and actually have a look at
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like who is the poll who's it been done by what were their criteria uh who who owns the company
00:56:05.120
even polls don't release themselves all this sort of stuff there are a couple of things to say here
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um first of which is that polls have a significant effect on election results and therefore there is
00:56:15.760
an incentive in place to fiddle the numbers and there are ways of doing that via the methodology that
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should be visible to people who know about this stuff and i'm a loser that learned this stuff at
00:56:25.440
university and i know all about uh sort of research methodology particularly the stuff used in polling
00:56:31.520
isn't that complicated and therefore you can normally see it and a lot of the time the people carrying
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out polling for these companies aren't particularly good at this sort of thing and sometimes they do
00:56:41.440
just make mistakes because they're often failed academics um and uh so they tend not to be that great
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anyway but sometimes there can be decisions made in say sampling or in their methodology
00:56:58.960
that will almost certainly bias the results but not in a way that you can put down to malpractice
00:57:06.640
you know mal you know just an accident but in ways in which you can say well this has shaped the
00:57:14.000
result in a very deliberate way except you can tell that because no one would make this mistake
00:57:20.000
unintentionally so there's all sorts of things i'd like to go into all sorts of details about how
00:57:25.760
and why some polls can be inaccurate but then also there's a whole nother beast of just deliberately
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putting out false polls just they're almost entirely fictional right and we're also we're also in that
00:57:38.400
world i think that's what we didn't have at least as much of a few years back where people just sort of
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fairly openly fairly nakedly just put out a completely false pole and just at least for a while it's
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swallowed by some people and that's enough to move the needle and that's all they ever wanted anyway
00:57:57.520
um so for example here's one thing oh abc stroke ipsos put out a poll saying uh if you can't if
00:58:07.520
you're only listening to this harris is on 52 percent and trump's on 46 percent um i guess that's
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nation who's gonna believe that well it turns out that it was it turns out that quite quickly it was
00:58:19.760
debunked quite quickly it was shown that they uh to be as kind as possible uh were being partisan
00:58:27.920
about how they'd done the poll in the first place well it makes for good propaganda doesn't it because it
00:58:33.280
gets presented as being objective just like here is what people are inclined to vote for and people vote
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tactically don't they it might might change how people vote maybe they're voting with the majority
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you know there's there is a psychological effect whereby people don't want to be in a
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in a minority group and there are multiple layers to that um but just even within a certain group
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identity you don't want to be in the minority group by definition because it's disadvantageous you
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want to be in the majority group and by signaling these sorts of things these potential undecideds
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that are swayed by such sort of trivial things as that that could be significant
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i wouldn't believe that if the sample was basically the biden harris administration
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her actual team yeah they only polled her team yes right exactly well that's the classic thing you can
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there's a million and one ways you can skew this stuff if you want to just who you ask also famously
00:59:31.600
loads of people lie when they're asked in the street or on a poll or anything they say what they think the
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person at the other end of the phone or whatever would like to hear well normally those are people
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do that the the bias in political polling is leftward and so people normally report um being
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more left-wing when asked for polling than they actually are in terms of both you know their voting
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intentions and just their values more generally and that's a consistent trend known to political
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science is pretty well established in fact lots and lots of people when they actually get into the
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voting booth both ways both left and right do differently to what they've told all their
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friends and family yeah quite often that's the thing also in dating this happens but this is a bit
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you know no it usually happens a lot a lot of people are when asked these are saying that they're
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attracted to a completely different kind of personality than the one they're actually attracted to
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yeah yeah when i when i uh i'm on a date i say i'm a very successful banker but really no i'm joking
01:00:36.000
i don't do that i've got a collection of ferraris yeah no um but i took the bus here today yeah like
01:00:41.680
our audience quite often say they want white pills and they never click on them when we do them yeah
01:00:45.520
so that's true that's true that's true well i just had a pop our own audience not a good idea sorry
01:00:51.360
guys sorry guys i'm gonna do a white pill next week i actually am i'm gonna do click on it when i do it
01:00:56.640
i'm gonna talk about space with dan and going to mars king elon taking us back to the moon and mars
01:01:03.840
anyway talk back to polling um yeah it seems now we're in a sort of a some sort of augmented truth
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age where now polling is a battlefield um but they have been wrong i mean for example a lot of the polls
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said that um the brexit the the the remainers were going to win easily they didn't happen if anyone
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remembers 2016 was a 99 probability hillary was going to win yeah right all of them were saying
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that or nearly all of them not not all of them you know and quarter came out early and said trump
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was going to win if you remember that um and there was one or two polls that seemed to be uh quite close
01:01:43.520
to reality but nearly all of them certainly all the corporate mainstream media the morning of the
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vote before it was shown who'd actually won it was hillary 99 certain to win this is just just wrong
01:01:55.440
just complete partisan stuff um there's lots of examples i remember i was quite young but i remember
01:02:02.560
when john major narrowly beat uh neil kinnock in what 1992 and i remember then even though i was a kid
01:02:09.760
um all the news saying there's no way kinnock can lose yeah it's a lot it's a complete slam dunk no
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i saw peter hitchens not too long ago talking about similar stuff from the 60s or the 70s
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doing similar things polls can totally be not just wrong but way off so you've got to be okay you've got
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to be very very careful with how you conduct them because you're taking what ultimately is a very very
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small sample of something that could well also change from the time you take the poll until the
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day of the ballot and there are so many factors that influence people's voting intentions that it's
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almost impossible to account for all of them so they're sort of setting up to do a futile task in
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the first place classic thing is how you frame the question are you more likely to for example i'm
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massively exaggerating this but they'll be saying like are you more or less likely to vote for the
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lovely kamala harris or the evil donald trump what why don't you give us your answer you know one
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please yeah yeah um so okay if we go to the next tab there i don't know who will click it for me samson
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there you go so this is just straight up straight up super fake super fake yeah
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is that the the rick james song like a discount version of it uber fake mega fake uh but for a
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while oh look you know over a quarter of a million or 330 000 views on something that's utterly utterly
01:03:42.480
fake and that will have moved the needle a tiny bit right it would have done but look you can see 89
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of veterans and only not for harris and only nine percent for trump it is it's comically it's almost you
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know pretty much a lot well laughable vets 96 in favor of kamala harris is that wounded in the head
01:04:05.360
yeah it's particularly this particularly well funny not funny haha funny crazy uh because kamala
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house was on record as you know likening uh january 6th to 9 11 and pearl harbor one of the most disgusting
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things i've ever seen a politician say and trump who's very pro-military i think he loves the
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military the military love him sort of thing uh you know one of the greatest militaries everyone says
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it's the greatest military in the world there's just fake news yeah yeah and also they publish it
01:04:40.480
not to just make a veridical claim but fox news it looks is that not right fox news actually went with
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it at least no no this this isn't a real poll it is it's fake data presented as a fox news poll
01:04:53.360
i see all right okay so it's still shared by 330 000 yeah like there i think there are people um yeah
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that is showing large accounts asking whether it's real it's like i don't know i saw someone shared it
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on facebook either way it'll pee them off which is kind of the point people know that it might not be
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legit and they share it anyway if it shows stuff that that confirms their bias exactly yeah it's
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funny i see people use the exact same layout and font of a guardian page and put whatever they write
01:05:24.640
whatever they want in it and ascribe it to somebody it's completely fake um it is a bit funny that's
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for satire purposes oh yeah completely for satire it's pretty transparent it's not trying it's not
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like this where it's actually trying to pass off a poll as being legitimate but still not less
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plausible than the actual content of guardian that's true yeah yeah the best ones of those fakes are
01:05:46.320
when it's close to what someone like owen jones or diane abbott would actually say yeah um yeah
01:05:53.840
um it's like when people photoshop a picture to make the person look fatter but only a little
01:05:58.560
bit fatter right not ridiculously right i see paddy pymlet say that they photoshop him to look a bit
01:06:05.600
heavier and you realize he says that's really annoying because when they make him look obese
01:06:10.080
then it's an issue of lightning how lightning okay so if we go to the next one uh it's from the mail
01:06:18.560
mail online um uh i think this is you know much more accurate uh we're starting to get at least closer to
01:06:27.440
real reality um is that it looks like it will actually be quite close because i would have
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thought that trump would be this far out would be polling and go on to win landslides in nearly every
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state yeah like she might be the nomics was the fact that biden attached his name to the economy alone
01:06:48.480
should be enough to lose right camilla the election i would have thought she'll get the places that are
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going to go democrat regardless of almost anything like california or or maybe even is it like washington
01:07:00.400
state and oregon i think maybe not but certainly california you know lots of places on the east
01:07:05.040
coast as well new york state and area that all of that around there is blue and like dc and stuff um
01:07:12.240
so i would have thought that all the polls would show and it would go on to actually play out in reality
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that trump would get you know 40 states or something easily easily win but it looks like perhaps
01:07:23.520
that's not going to be the case it will be closer i still predict trump would win because kamala's
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such a car crash she's so unlikable right i mean i've got my biases again i'm not pretending i haven't
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i just think it seems most people dislike her i think that this is probably going to be a very
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unpredictable election i think that knowing what will happen and and how things play out is very very
01:07:46.160
difficult it depends how much the democrats cheat doesn't it can't say that aren't we no but it's
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true i have to cut that out in post or or only put this on rumble yeah make a note of the timestamp
01:08:01.360
so our post-production people can cut that bit out mm-hmm or i mentioned reality where i talked about
01:08:05.840
reality i i hate to do it because fair enough no no no i agree with you that's the annoying thing but
01:08:11.920
it's the censorship and whether they augment it without to say that whether um i think the time
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piece was fortify fortify yeah depends how much if at all the democrats fortify their vote
01:08:26.560
that's fine um okay and so if there are certain swing states where historically they've always been
01:08:32.080
close and again they will probably be close again georgia arizona wisconsin pennsylvania
01:08:37.520
michigan north carolina nevada not some of the biggest states you know nevada i know only gets
01:08:44.320
what is it four or six electoral votes or something but still they all count it absolutely all counts
01:08:49.120
especially obviously if it's going to be close um you know i don't think there's many in wisconsin
01:08:55.520
and pennsylvania and stuff or even arizona you know nevada and arizona are giant states in terms of
01:09:02.640
land area but they're fairly not all that densely populated so uh you know large desert and stuff so
01:09:09.680
um we'll see how it goes but it looks like you know according to different places all different polls
01:09:16.160
it looks like maybe harris is ahead in some places um if we go to the next link
01:09:22.960
um here's a website that just shows loads and loads of different polls and if you can see on the right
01:09:28.880
hand side uh you know red is obviously pro harris sorry blue is harris red is trump and if you just
01:09:36.320
at a glance a lot of them you know more than half are showing blue well a lot of these other ones a lot
01:09:44.240
of these are the double ups only the top of this is the top ones here sort of most and a lot of them do
01:09:50.640
seem to be showing harris um harris in the lead in all sorts of places um there's this graph here i
01:09:59.360
thought was interesting because it also shows the point at which biden was cooed i was gonna say quit
01:10:07.280
when he was sort of asked by god knows who yeah when when somebody else decided his political career
01:10:14.160
was just over now um seems it shows that the polling seems to suggest if you can believe it
01:10:22.000
that harris has now got a lead on trump uh so it's interesting i really did think if you know the polls
01:10:28.000
were even close to being honest or real that trump would just be sort of like the like this graph before
01:10:36.480
here just consistently ahead and it's just a question of like how much whereas it seems they
01:10:42.080
have swapped here i also wouldn't trust real clear politics to be honest however i i do think that
01:10:50.960
harris would be more popular than biden because he was sort of publicly exposed as a corpse but then
01:10:56.960
also that was only in turn to to put harris as the candidate and so i still think that normal people
01:11:05.280
are going to see what harris has done and that she's a lunatic and part of the old man regime that
01:11:11.600
ruined the economy and i don't think that she's going to be overtaking on trump who has precedent now
01:11:18.720
to show that he made america energy independent he didn't start any foreign wars he was he didn't
01:11:24.000
behave like a dictator you know it's not really going to work in the same way so i think that this polling
01:11:30.000
should certainly be taken with a massive pinch of salt definitely and it is going to be interesting
01:11:38.000
to watch this after the election remember all the we you could do a segment after the election
01:11:44.640
if trump wins i think he's going to win personally that that's my my personal bet but uh and if he if
01:11:53.360
he wins it would be good to collect all the all the polling that shows camilla harris taking a lead and
01:12:01.120
well i would have thought so this is the main thrust of this segment is that i wanted to say
01:12:06.560
um that i i just sort of don't believe it i don't want to fall into the same pitfall as last time when
01:12:14.400
i had to release the kraken to try and find out to what extent any if any cheating had gone on
01:12:20.720
um but these polls i just don't trust them i mean if you remember last time how sort of hardly anyone
01:12:28.400
was turning out to biden rallies biden didn't turn up to many rallies himself sort of the cliche was
01:12:34.480
that he stayed in his basement and things and the popular swell of support for trump seemed absolutely
01:12:40.400
overwhelming yeah and the same goes for kamala because presidential elections
01:12:44.720
elections even more than general elections in the uk is a bit like a popularity contest
01:12:52.160
a lot of it is about the the top person on the ticket and whether you like them or not whether you
01:12:58.880
feel like you trust them or not it's much much more than a general election in great britain right
01:13:04.720
um and obviously trump is a marmite type figure you either love him or hate him sort of thing
01:13:10.480
very british reference for american doesn't know what that means and you either really like him
01:13:15.680
or you you sort of never trump until you're dying breath um but kamala is sort of fairly it seems
01:13:23.040
fairly universally disliked she's obviously obnoxious within moments of hearing her speak nearly always
01:13:30.320
she comes across as horrible and annoying and obnoxious and
01:13:36.000
her political career has shown that she's a failure when it comes to winning popularity contests
01:13:43.760
right she she she she shouldn't have been on the biden ticket in the first place
01:13:49.040
they parachuted her on there so they could have a woman of color no one in the democrat party wanted her
01:13:56.720
what is interesting is that she was she if i can remember correctly she was the least popular among the
01:14:03.360
democrats yeah and no democrat wanted to jump in if they thought they were going to win the election
01:14:09.840
why wouldn't they jump in right right so if she does beat trump this november i would be surprised
01:14:21.120
i would be surprised but stranger things have happened not allowed to say anything beyond that
01:14:27.280
without getting in trouble ourselves right that's right um but i would be surprised
01:14:33.520
okay and i've got one last link i also need to very quickly say to you all before we finish this
01:14:38.560
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there's roerig nationalist morgoth quite a few people um and who luca johnson oh yeah luca johnson's
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i've got one last oh no that was the last link so um so that is it okay no um you've got some
01:15:34.240
comments down there okay which ones uh from frednaw upwards there yellow the top the threadnaw okay yeah
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threadnaw and how much you give us five bucks thank you very much we polled ourselves and found that 71
01:15:48.640
of those polled want all citizens to have their faces stamped on by a boot forever you gov yeah
01:15:55.200
there was a weird trend of 71 coming up a lot more than was statistically possible i think i calculated
01:16:01.360
the probability that it came up that often it was like 0.0025 yeah that was years ago now i don't trust
01:16:10.880
you gov it's a british one for anyone i don't know um yeah it's just well it's owned by someone who's
01:16:16.880
extremely suspicious i remember hearing about it oh what was it i can't remember but basically the
01:16:22.240
person who started you gov had some affiliation with a political party explicitly so they had reason
01:16:28.880
to be partisan of course um old eagle 1787 says polls are just liars spread to lure groups into
01:16:38.960
complacency uh the only polls that you should trust are the ones who broke the siege of vienna in 16 uh
01:16:46.560
83. yeah good old polls very sad history very sad indeed what am i saying that
01:16:54.480
uh being a dick about it i don't know i don't know very like polls yeah yeah i mean we joined
01:17:00.560
it really is a terrible very sad in world war ii to help poland that was our explicit reason
01:17:04.960
to join the war yeah and ended up giving it to starling yeah that was yeah i mean sorry about that
01:17:10.960
i didn't have any hand in that decision yeah it wasn't alive in fact um um and one last one um
01:17:17.280
i've got so much glare on this screen it says uh read not again breath the third oh no you go ahead
01:17:24.480
the problem is that the media has to maintain uh that that it is close to get the blue votes
01:17:30.880
out of the house if they think they can't win they won't bother sorry there's so much
01:17:36.320
glare on the screen at that point that i can't read it properly you've got to go like that at this
01:17:40.320
point um yeah the final one that makes sense what i said there yeah it did okay all right the poll
01:17:44.400
manipulation is the statistics part of lies damn lies and statistics the third type of lie that's why
01:17:50.720
i studied it all right right we've got video comments now
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and now in honor of rue the day here is a short meditative moment first take a deep breath in
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and now let it now breathe out and repeat the mantra
01:18:17.840
okay i feel relaxed already yeah i feel i feel very zen so that is a cute dog i said last time and
01:18:32.800
then i saw somewhere he said thank you for saying that uh but that is a really cute dog i wish i could
01:18:37.760
have a dog can't at the moment a man has posted a meme about the riots in lego city uk this looks
01:18:45.280
like a job for the mobile police unit build the mobile police unit and save your city track him down
01:18:50.800
call him fire right deny him his right to free speech and arrest him now time to lock him up at the
01:18:56.480
police station make space in the prison block by releasing all the killers now lock up all the
01:19:02.720
people who posted memes you've just made lego city a safer city the new gear starmer collection from
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lego city each set sold separately that is brilliant thank you for sending that have you ever noticed
01:19:17.120
that a lot of uh muslim men have got like a bowl haircut yes man i can't really take the mic out of
01:19:23.040
other people's haircuts very i'd rather be bold than have a bowl and it said that um in that i saw that
01:19:28.960
when he's talking about all the criminals being like this a lot of them had bowl haircut maybe maybe
01:19:34.640
i just saw that for myself and it wasn't really there yeah it was just the uh lego wasn't it sort
01:19:40.320
of 1960s and therefore they all have the sort of beetles cut that's going to be co-opted now by
01:19:47.120
leftists who are going to say about white supremacist culture in lego yeah i hope they're not watching
01:19:53.840
they're co-opting a medieval uh european peasant haircut the inbred muslims their bowls i don't
01:20:00.960
really seek out political conversation with people but when it does happen it always strikes me as how
01:20:05.040
historically bereft the average person really is this whole taxation entitlements thing is not
01:20:09.600
only historical anomaly but a very young one too and it's already rattling itself apart and yet most
01:20:14.800
people are completely unaware of any other social order and yet it dates back no earlier than the 1960s
01:20:20.000
social entitlements to the depression of the 30s and heavy taxation was an emergency measure for
01:20:24.640
world war one which here in canada lease was promised in parliament to be rescinded no later than 1921
01:20:30.960
any day now i'm sure yeah well wasn't taxation in britain for the napoleonic war income tax income tax
01:20:39.600
yeah why the government i mean i don't remember them working any of my hours throughout the week so why
01:20:46.000
they deserve it i don't know yeah mr pitt brought in the first income tax at the very end of the
01:20:51.760
18th century i'll continue to scorn his name to this day and we're paying it to this day scumbag
01:21:00.640
here's your gang sign for balance take your second and third fingers fold them down you will use your
01:21:06.400
thumb and the fourth to close your nostrils inhale through the left close exhale through the right inhale
01:21:14.880
through the right close exhale through the left repeat as long as it takes to calm yourself and
01:21:23.680
balance your energy if you feel the need to hold at any point hold i don't know i i think i always
01:21:33.280
operate on one nostril either the left or right you like a flamingo you're always like using one leg
01:21:41.040
you're like balancing and then you just alternate i don't know just maybe you have a video for this
01:21:45.920
next time i found that really difficult by the way because i've i broke my middle finger so it doesn't
01:21:50.480
go properly anymore so it goes off to the side when i i put it up like that it just looks like i'm
01:21:56.320
flipping off the audience now i'm sorry samson's swearing at me from the booth like an englishman a good
01:22:03.120
good englishman i'm not too interested in actual mindfulness techniques if i need to calm myself down
01:22:09.120
i have a bloody cup of tea a cup of tea will calm me down a brew is what's good for you right
01:22:15.840
it's good for morale work yeah good for morale i enjoy flipping off the camera that calms me down
01:22:25.280
i didn't mean it don't worry is that all the video comments yes okay we are on to the written comments
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i've got a bunch of general comments uh north fc zoomer any advice for a noob where to start with
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british history for a general overview bow i think i know what's coming here what what do you think i'm
01:22:44.720
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episodes talking about everything from gobekli tepi with mr josh firm aka the terminator all the
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way through to sort of world war ii era stuff lots and lots of medieval stuff lots and lots of stuff
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about the kings of england uh but uh if a real answer there's a great book by sir charles oman
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professor sir charles oman writing at the very beginning of the 20th century so it's totally not
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pos it's just a history of england i think it's called by sir charles oman o-m-a-n it's not a very
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english sounding name but he's as english as you could get he was a professor at oxford um and his
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history is a great overview uh so i recommend that or the history of the english-speaking peoples by sir
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winston churchill also very good again long before um wokeism or anything so you don't need to worry
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about that yeah churchill or oman or me equivalent right yeah yeah basically this is the same quality
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oman church with me yeah so really today says i enjoy stelios correctly uh pronouncing european
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languages if he doesn't thank you no one will thank you i i can do french uh i can do a little bit of
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dutch as well um sorry i want to read the next one sure roman observer top tier suits today for the hosts
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i like bo's tie finally not pink on pink that's what roman observer says i have fashion police have
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done pink on pink a couple of times and and got rinsed for it i'll try not to do that again
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an observer really doesn't like it you need to wear a red tie to for to please the roman luna says uh
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happy birthday carl so yes happy birthday carl if you're watching happy birthday i think so yeah
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happy birthday boss i was tweeting about it being his birthday i think okay probably not why he's not
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at work today um tmk out of context says josh have you considered inviting thomas dowling to do a
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segment about return of oasis um i don't know what there'd be to say about it really just oasis are back
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they're they're back because one of them had a divorce that was very expensive the end but no i i
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appreciate the idea and the suggestion it's just that i i wouldn't know what to say about it really
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and and thomas is also such a massive fan that he would probably over egg the significance i think
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because i don't think they're gonna i think it's interesting and i think it'd be historic to see them
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live however i don't think they're going to be you know writing some amazing studio albums where
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everyone's going to drop what they're doing and listen to them i think the two questions people
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ask about this if is number one is oasis a sort of containment whether they're going to sing don't
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look back in anger and the the whole country is gonna blow up blow up
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play out the death of the united kingdom if woke is going to end by oasis
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that's the second question people ask i think that sometimes things happen outside the sphere of
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politics and not everything is directly involved with some sort of political scheme are you sure
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josh i always find it a bit odd not odd that's not very kind but just a little bit funny when people
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uh love music before their time i get it like you love the beatles an example for example but
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like the oasis were a bit before down somewhere i happen to have already seen oasis live in concert
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at glastonbury 1995 when i was 14 years old i've seen acdc lining uh i wasn't even born probably
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unless it was in november oh god i'm so old it wasn't it was in the summer yeah before you were
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born god anyway um but yeah this idea it's interesting how much i find it interesting how
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much the oasis getting back together is such a thing be far beyond the music because as an oasis fan
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myself not the crazy crazy die hard fan but i was i was much more like oasis than blur for example
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it's not even close is it right uh because again when i was in my like year 11 at school that was
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that thing blur versus oasis blur were always a bit lame weren't they park life versus roll with it
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park life is rubbish anyway and park life won actually it won yeah and park life's a crap song i really
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think you think it's really monotonous samson says both are bad sticking the murder definitely
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maybe and morning glory are good albums i love the song cigarettes and alcohol it's great to listen to
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for it you know if you're going out on a night out messy one but what i think is interesting is beyond
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the music beyond just oasis fans it has become the question has become all about um containment and
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psyops and things it reminds me of britannia and some people trying to expect taylor swift to become
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sort of maiden of the right inadvertently without unintentionally just that's a weird take though
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isn't it yeah the whole thing was i think that the democrats tried to push that taylor swift is with us
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and they're trying to capitalize on the fact that she's one of the best-selling musicians right right
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world at the minute and they're like look at how popular we are come on kids vote for us but it was
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also from the right some people who had high hopes of the offspring of um taylor swift and what's the
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dude's name cope um i don't know yeah that dude i don't pay american football yeah she's dating right now
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yeah okay when i think about all that gossip yeah uh brian tomlinson says hello beau love you
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in the postcode lottery adverts uh a bit camp and a bit red but i'll recognize you anywhere
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i don't know what that's a reference to but it sounds funny it's obviously just some bald guy isn't it
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oh dear so samson has confirmed it it's funny as a bald guy you can be
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compared to or liking to any other bald guy i'm growing my beard to look like v-sauce
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be fair that's one you wouldn't be mistaken for but um it's it's good in some ways because you're
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always going to be more anonymous as if you've got the sort of anonymity of generic bald guy
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you can get away with stuff can't you just some food for thought
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right uh do we have some more time to yeah can we have an extra five minutes
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so uh is it me or you it's me continue then i was reading i was reading generic comments we had a
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bunch of them today um theodore pinnick says apparently there's been an update to the result
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in saxony they're claiming that there was a software error which conveniently means that
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the ft actually gets one fewer seat which makes them just slightly too small to be able to block
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bills i did see this um and it was a remix news twitter post but i wasn't able to confirm it
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anywhere else which is why i didn't include it so i need to have a bit more of a stronger
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verification for that and that's why i didn't include it in the segment and i'm just waiting
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on that it could be the case that it is legitimate and remix were just quick they're normally quite
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good um but that was why i didn't include it and i'll read just one more because i've read quite a
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few derrick power says for a group that fancies themselves as progressive and forward-thinking
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politico and the like keep using the same insults to the point where it's tiresome and annoying
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i certainly agree with that yes right stelios is a freddo making machine yeah make freddo the coffee
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freddo making machine i don't know why they're on about yeah who's this freddo guy yeah i don't i
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honestly don't get it i feel like you do get it i don't get what was being referenced there no freddo
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is a giant pile of excrement that was uh nearby the office just led there by someone you know okay
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not exactly a good samaritan or something okay just and people christened it i think the original
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context was stelios and a few other people were talking about the state of england and just how
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things are gross and you brought up the fact that was it pete named okay i i think peter i do remember
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now i do remember yeah right i'm glad to see elon musk prove that he actually has principles unlike
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google who went from don't be evil to working for china real quick i think that's plausible do you ever
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see elon talking to um don lemon and he says no what i want to do is do the right thing not be seen
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to be doing what i think others think is the right thing yeah and don lemon's just like what is this
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you're like his brain he's also trolling don lemon yeah yeah arizona there's a rat if the u.s
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government couldn't get elon to cooperate what makes the group brazilian government think
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that he will cooperate with them paul neubauer it's an attack not on x but on the people of brazil
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absolutely arizona desert rat bow looks like a very friendly austin powers villain
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okay uh kevin fox camel toe has said on air that x should be shut down because it won't follow the
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same rules as face fake book that wouldn't be the same rules that have result resulted in mark
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f ferberg ending up in front of a senate committee apologizing for interference in the last election
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baron von warcock brazil has one of the finest one of the highest murder rates in the western hemisphere
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and yet they're worried about vpns oh well crazy yeah hate crime some of the i like how you said
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finest as if as in trump some of them are fine people yeah some brazilians are not murderous have
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you seen the one with trump where he's talking about nazgul he says this nazgul this nasty nazgul i call them
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i'll show you the meme right rule the day if moriah is gonna manage the country for long enough to weed
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out all the inventive nerds who know how to bypass all these silly laws and michael dribelbiss robert
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reich is dr miguelito lovelace for fans of the old wild wild west tv show he's a short power mad
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genius who seems hell-bent on silencing any dissent and i have one more from yakub bogdanov totalitarian
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government trying to strong arm x into compliance complaining about unchecked power of tech companies
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is quite rich honestly and also the people who follow them and try to shoot to whitewash them
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are you know just scums right do you mind reading some all i can see is the reflection of the ceiling
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sure um so for both segment furious dan says that any of the polls are close at all between the man
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who took a bullet for the country and the woman who opened its borders and got installed with no votes
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is a dire statement about how many people are npc programmed by the news i couldn't put it better
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myself yeah kevin fox says um i love that recently biden or any um staffer who writes for him has been
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tweeting how interest rates are at their lowest over three years uh not lower than four years ago though
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so all he's saying is we f the economy but we nearly fixed our mistakes vote for us
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yes we might be bad but we can self-correct um so justin b says the pollsters are also careful to
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select the most left-leaning people they tend to canvas during the day when most people are working
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that's true actually yeah mostly the unemployed leftists and students are on the streets
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and online posters selectively present polls to people based on the answers they previously gave
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i used to have an account with you gov and noticed they weren't sending me polls emails stopped after a
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while when i went uh to log in and found out why i realized they had completely deleted my account
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and wouldn't let me make another yes classic you gov i don't i completely buy that that happened
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yeah no i i think that they're very much a propaganda wing yeah yeah and one percent of people agree
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yes they do with me um colin p says uh regarding polling it's thanks to you guys that i signed up
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for you gov although i noticed that i don't seem to get any questions on politics per se oh well there
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we go two people we've got a sample of two telling us the same thing which is probably more than some
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you gov polls on that note um i think uh it's time to end the show so thank you very much for watching
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i hope you enjoyed it tune in same time tomorrow to watch the next podcast obviously and goodbye