The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #997

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to podcast of the Lotus Eaters on the 10th of September 2024 and I am joined

00:00:26.540 by Stelios hello oh all right so um yes um good to see you today we're going to be talking about

00:00:33.680 um Germany uh apparently they want to close their borders I don't believe apparently so um we're

00:00:40.260 going to talk about how Trump has has vowed to jail his enemies which is a which is a good thing

00:00:45.160 and um Elon he's going to take us to Mars well not us but well I'll go if he gives me a seat I'll go

00:00:51.840 oh I wouldn't no just a radiated desert isn't it well we save it for the coolest radiated desert in

00:00:57.420 the inner solar system sorry well there is that move along move along um we have a couple of

00:01:01.540 announcements first of all happy birthday to wifey she doesn't watch this but anyway made the effort

00:01:06.040 um and we're going to be doing a Churchill round table at three o'clock which is going to be an

00:01:10.740 absolute minefield and piss off everybody but uh you know for whatever reason we're doing it anyway

00:01:15.440 so if you want to come see what we think about Churchill uh tune in at three right and with that

00:01:21.100 we go to lots of hate with this there is going to be a lot of hate there's going to be spurging

00:01:25.140 there's going to be hate I know yes yeah but we we will try and upset people in um the right

00:01:32.060 proportions right no no no I I will upset everyone possibly yeah right I suppose we're going to talk

00:01:40.560 about Germany Germany decided to close its borders for a period of six months and I want to say that

00:01:46.560 this is a bit confusing because is there a pattern or are there just isolated incidents that's the main

00:01:54.280 issue that people are concerned about because after the after the attacks in Solingen we had the whole

00:02:02.040 establishment saying this was a person who had mental illness and this was just an isolated incident

00:02:10.040 and everyone was scaremongering about the far right well a lot of these isolated incidents

00:02:15.020 yeah there's a pattern of isolated incidents as I say but uh the German government now acted in a way

00:02:22.460 that you wouldn't expect it act it's it is they act almost as they would act if they admitted that

00:02:31.140 there is a pattern and this is something that happened a few weeks ago Germany deported 28 Afghans to

00:02:39.860 Taliban led Kabul they also gave them around a thousand euros I don't know as a parting gift or

00:02:46.360 something well that's to buy the plane ticket to come back again maybe I I hope not but anyway it's at

00:02:52.900 least so it's suboptimal but at least it is at least they're out at least they have been deported

00:02:58.780 I mean what sort of plane was it I mean was it like a 1950s biplane or something I mean you you could

00:03:05.100 probably get like 300 people on that yeah no idea but I think that the the government now is confusing

00:03:11.040 us because they are acting as if there is a pattern we have here this uh article by RTE saying Germany

00:03:19.540 tightens control at all borders in immigration crackdown and they're saying that the government

00:03:25.140 has announced plans to impose tighter controls at all of the country's land borders in what it called

00:03:31.620 an attempt to tackle irregular which means illegal and protect the public from threats such as islamic

00:03:37.760 extremism now that's the language of people who go after patterns not just after isolated incidents

00:03:44.280 my question is I guess you might be getting onto it if you are just shut me down but so they're closing

00:03:50.620 their borders sort of entirely or like to what extent I mean they say that they are closing them

00:03:58.000 uh for a period of six months they're going to do a trial period and uh it it's when it comes to as

00:04:05.880 they say irregular but I think as it they are talking about illegal migration now obviously we will we will

00:04:12.840 see how this plays out because we have heard many times governments who are saying that they're going to

00:04:18.380 do something about illegal migration but end up not doing so but it's something that we have to report

00:04:24.680 the thing I'm thinking is maybe it's uh maybe it's a bit silly but as an island we're in a unique

00:04:30.500 situation but with something like Germany if you imagine the very very long border with Poland let's

00:04:35.580 say yeah and that's probably necessarily their biggest threat but um unless you build a really

00:04:41.200 long wall there a Trump style Mexico wall or Hungary actually have built quite a lot of fences and

00:04:46.520 things yes I don't think Germany's going to do that so well you could look at Poland's other borders

00:04:52.620 they're actually going to stop it though where they where they actually well Poland is has long

00:04:56.440 borders with a number of other countries and they're able to defend them yeah they just have

00:05:01.200 barbed wire and blokes of batons so my question is then is Germany going to do that put up at least

00:05:06.280 sort of chicken wire well we will see but possibly they could collaborate with other countries as Dan

00:05:13.460 Dan mentioned there are also some heavy border controls in Poland maybe there's going to be a

00:05:21.680 coalition of more you know traditional more right-wing approaches to it Poland now has Tusk

00:05:28.240 which isn't what most people want but we'll see so they say the controls will start on the 16th of

00:05:35.540 September and initially last for six months the interior ministry said in a statement they are part

00:05:41.620 of a series of measures Germany has taken to toughen its stance on irregular migration in recent years

00:05:47.900 following a surge in arrivals in particular people fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East

00:05:52.960 and they are mentioning that Chancellor Olaf Scholz is running a basically left-wing government

00:05:59.340 interesting here we have this by David Atherton who is saying that the interior minister of Germany

00:06:06.620 Nancy Facer has announced this border control on security grounds now what is interesting is that

00:06:13.740 she is behind the attempt to cancel compact magazine and she was one of the major voices

00:06:20.460 behind those were saying that the Solingen stabbing attack at the diversity festival was just

00:06:28.940 an isolated incident that was going to be co-opted by the far right so it's really suspicious

00:06:34.460 and confusing when you have politicians who act consistently in such a manner when they are

00:06:42.180 announcing border controls that's why I said in the beginning that it is a bit confusing but it sounds

00:06:46.900 to me like they just want to say please stop voting AFD yeah I feel like the next sentence David Atherton

00:06:52.840 said there is maybe hits a nail on the head like the Tories pretending they're going to stop the small

00:06:58.800 boats actually pretending it's just to try and undercut reform maybe it's it's that they

00:07:04.140 what she really thinks is that they don't really care about Islamic extremism they are all in for a

00:07:10.020 replacement and they hate the German people but they need to win elections and so to screw over AFD

00:07:16.220 at the ballot box they're going to make noises like this we will see but what is interesting here is

00:07:22.280 that the the AFD won some in some some really good results in some state elections and as you see here

00:07:31.000 this is definitely something that the government paid paid close attention to now it's interesting

00:07:38.220 that we are not talking about a center-right pretending government we're talking about a left-wing

00:07:45.140 coalition led by Olaf Scholz so it's interesting that they would adopt a rhetoric of this kind

00:07:52.700 so we had recently we also spoke about this but it's good to remember this and bear the whole

00:07:59.460 situation in mind we had state elections in Germany or Germany had state elections in Thuringia and

00:08:07.000 Saxony and the AFD performed very well we see here in Saxony they won around 31.5 percent of the vote

00:08:17.020 whereas the CDU I think it's the Christian Democratic Union 132 and here in the in these are the prognosis

00:08:26.960 but they're the numbers were sort of there and they're the Thuringia in Thuringia the AFD also

00:08:33.760 won some really large results so I must apologize because I had a lot of links and I had the actual

00:08:41.240 results and it I ended up putting the putting the prognosis in sorry that's a mistake on my

00:08:46.940 part we see also see here that the German zoomers were overwhelmingly pro AFD yes we see here for

00:08:54.680 instance in Thuringia close to 40 percent 39 percent of the of the people aged 18 to 24 they voted for

00:09:03.860 AFD so it's roughly four out of ten young people voted for AFD that's great it makes me think of the

00:09:11.480 quote in 1984 where he says if there's hope hope it's in the proles like if there's hope it's in the zoomers

00:09:18.380 yes German come on team zoomer let's do this Germany does currently have the best zoomers

00:09:23.300 German zoomers best zoomers yeah right okay so we are also seeing here that the AFD is scoring some really good results

00:09:34.640 this year so for instance in the EU election they were the second largest party and they are a force

00:09:43.580 to be reckoned with they're not a force to be ignored and the very fact that people right now especially

00:09:48.860 young people who are traditionally you could say the voting block that the left tries to appeal to

00:09:55.820 when four out of ten of young people voted for AFD that's a huge that's a huge ringing bell for the

00:10:04.820 that's a huge alarming bell for for years the left have taken the attitude that we've got the young

00:10:10.040 people and therefore you know that means we're right and we're going to win the future and stuff

00:10:13.340 yes I don't think that is written in stone you know the idea that if you're black you've got to vote

00:10:18.640 Democrat of course not necessarily if you're young you're definitely going to be left-wing

00:10:24.040 not necessarily depends what world you're brought up in doesn't it exactly and these generalizations

00:10:30.760 are frequently just propaganda when the left is saying that you know we care for the workers or we

00:10:35.780 care for young people we care for the young people who don't have any kind of prospects and the bad

00:10:43.400 rich capitalists or all these are is propaganda it's more a game of numbers it's more an issue of

00:10:49.580 degrees to what extent the young people support this or that and the same question applies for is that

00:10:55.080 their main parliament this one no this is for the european elections in this summer in the results and

00:11:03.680 i wanted here to show you the kind of progress the AFD is marking the last 10 years

00:11:13.340 now obviously this is just one poll from another and this is from politico i've seen also different

00:11:19.100 polls giving different numbers but more or less they are showing a kind of tripling of support for

00:11:26.480 the AFD in the last 10 years so for instance here in about 2014 this poll here says that the popular

00:11:35.640 support was around five percent and they're saying here right now it's close to 17 18 so it's that's

00:11:45.620 more than triple we saw some other polls saying that it was about 10 and it's more close to 30

00:11:51.580 and this is much closer to the results we saw in saxony and thuringia and like you just showed us

00:11:57.060 about 40 amongst the zoomers exactly and also we need to bear in mind that this is something that

00:12:03.100 it happened in the last 10 years obviously the fact that angela merkel opened the borders in 2015

00:12:10.860 isn't inconsequential so perhaps perhaps the coalition of the government of olaf schultz

00:12:18.100 understands that you know they cannot not do anything about it or at least they cannot be seen

00:12:24.440 to do nothing about it which creates raises the question whether this is just a loop and they've

00:12:29.880 toyed with the idea of just banning the AFD but probably thinking that oh okay maybe that's a

00:12:34.320 little bit tricky so we're just we just tend to be fractionally based or something yeah but yeah and

00:12:40.480 that's the issue though that a lot of the times when people are trying to ban things they're making

00:12:45.580 them even more notorious and when we're we should bear in mind that the people who are representing an

00:12:53.760 establishment that is rapidly losing its credibility in the eyes of more and more people

00:12:59.280 they often forget that when they represent an establishment that sort of loses legitimacy and

00:13:06.560 they attack some they attack anyone they're essentially raising the prestige of their targets

00:13:12.720 so it doesn't work no of course yeah the strizant effect yeah yeah um also i think you could say

00:13:19.400 that zoomers particularly older zoomers the older end of the zoomer thing they would still be old

00:13:26.240 enough to remember germany pre-2015 2016 even if they were kids they still remember when their

00:13:33.220 country wasn't flooded with syrians when there wasn't just police being stabbed it wasn't that long

00:13:38.560 ago that merkel did it i mean i mean it was that long ago right she was less than 10 years ago yeah she

00:13:43.300 was quite sensible on immigration until she went to some tv debate and some woman got up and got all

00:13:49.640 emotional about immigration and she didn't have an answer for it and she just like overnight changed

00:13:53.740 her policy and then and then it was like okay well let's let's just have 10 million of them then

00:13:57.260 i i i have to introduce the greek perspective here because a lot of the time i listen to people who are

00:14:05.780 giving a more intellectualizing perspective on the issue and they're trying to talk about you know

00:14:12.140 somehow merkel had some humanitarian ideals and she switched overnight or something i don't i don't

00:14:18.940 think it has anything to do with ideals or something what do you think is driving it i think

00:14:24.400 no no it was it was just a matter of political expediency the way she saw it at the time because

00:14:32.720 at the time a lot of people don't remember that in 2015 greece elected a disastrously leftist

00:14:39.260 government that opened the borders we had a flood of millions of people yeah in in in 2015

00:14:46.440 okay and right so you're saying she was looking for the right excuse and she got her optics moment

00:14:51.720 and then yeah right yes that's probably fair i i i think it's much more frequently you know

00:14:57.500 reasons of the sort more tactical reasons than just merkel being an ideologue or something i mean

00:15:05.340 obviously she had some ideology she didn't want to appear as if she she was losing europe and stuff but

00:15:11.740 and it ended up leading leading to a situation where you know germany isn't looking very good yeah and

00:15:20.380 but also i have to i have to say this because you know i i want to give the full picture the greeks where

00:15:25.820 before we elected the that government we were constantly saying to the to europe to the eu and

00:15:32.060 the eu leaders that guarding europe's borders is an eu issue you can't just allow countries like

00:15:40.300 greece italy and spain with sea borders that are much more difficult to guard in comparison to land

00:15:47.260 borders just deal with it by themselves and they they weren't listening to it

00:15:54.940 yeah and to be fair the the wave of mass immigration kind of happened all over the

00:15:59.660 western world at roughly the same time yes so you know they all got on board with yeah we're going to

00:16:04.540 do this yeah infinity africans if you remember there was that syrian war without involving isis and

00:16:09.900 everything yes if anyone remembers no a lot of people's memories are really really short and also

00:16:17.020 context yeah some people don't uh want to talk about western influence in that uh area but let's

00:16:23.420 leave that for whose influence western influence in that area and yeah let's leave that for another

00:16:29.500 time yeah so the major question here is what is driving a lot of many germans to vote for the afd

00:16:37.900 and a lot of people throughout europe and the eu to vote for more right-wing parties

00:16:42.220 and people people are just honest about it they just constantly say it's to a very large extent

00:16:47.580 public safety and the feeling that their cultures are being eroded it's just as simple as that but

00:16:54.060 rather than having governments who are taking that seriously and saying that we should do something

00:16:59.340 about it we have a lot of establishments that are trying to penalize people for speaking about it

00:17:08.140 but it it seems that you can there are limits to the degree you can do this and the afd's striking

00:17:15.500 performance in german elections sort of pushes the left-wing government of olive schultz to at least

00:17:23.820 understand that he has to appear as as if he's doing something about it whether he does it or not we're

00:17:30.380 going to be here to watch i'm pretty sure it's fake we'll be here yeah i mean probably because there are

00:17:37.340 possibilities yeah but i mean let's say it's a a sincere idea and he deports 28 africans every

00:17:43.420 year he's like well so what yeah i mean i mean well done he needs i mean slightly unfortunate

00:17:51.740 residents given given the nation but they need whole rail carts really

00:17:57.180 well we'll see we'll see also with the zoomers say like a 25 year old is a zoomer right

00:18:02.860 that's right in the wheelhouse of being a zoomer isn't it i think that's right if you're 25

00:18:06.940 exactly where the okay yeah there isn't right yeah there isn't an exact anyway say you're german and

00:18:12.140 you're 25 right you remember clearly uh when before your country was flooded completely flooded by

00:18:19.500 middle easterners and you would also probably remember a time when it wasn't the idea that you

00:18:24.940 could afford a mortgage and things yeah or that your economic future was bright and you had not

00:18:31.980 none of these and now you don't so crazy net zero policies and just destroying the the nuclear

00:18:38.540 infrastructure of germany it's just apparently the older zoomer is 27 okay right the older zoomer

00:18:46.300 imagine you were born in poland or east germany or soviet czechoslovakia or something in the

00:18:53.100 late 50s or the 60s and you grew up and you got to 25 years old and it was all you'd ever known was

00:18:57.980 the soviet regime it would be more difficult to envision a world where maybe we could get rid of

00:19:03.500 moscow we don't have to be a soviet satellite anymore but the zoomers of germany today they

00:19:09.580 it's not that long ago so i get it i i get it it's great it's great to see it we have this uh

00:19:15.980 statistic here by matt goodwin saying 77 percent of germans want to reverse asylum and refugee policy

00:19:22.700 and i want to say something we're not in germany but we follow up the news from germany and uh we have

00:19:29.660 been talking about some of them very frequently and i'll just show some of the segments i've been

00:19:35.580 involved in and we have done together most of them i think we probably would have been closed down

00:19:41.580 if we were in germany probably and probably by the interior minister who is announcing yeah she's

00:19:47.580 closing the borders yeah but it's just we we did uh just a few incidents we are we're talking about

00:19:54.380 the man manheim incident where uh someone just went and attacked i think michael stuartzenberger

00:20:02.380 who was talking about who was criticizing islam we are also did this words over crimes where we

00:20:10.220 discussed one of the most i think that's the toughest segment i've done and we did we all three

00:20:15.100 did it together when it was a very bad incident of a gang rape yeah where uh most of these people they

00:20:23.020 were just let out they weren't particularly punished and we had a lady who spoke uh about it on social

00:20:32.140 media and she she was she stayed for 10 days in prison whereas others who were involved in the

00:20:40.300 crime stayed for less it's a lot older but about a year ago i did a segment on why germany should be run

00:20:45.820 by an ai okay i think an ai that would generate well because if you think about it trump and cats no

00:20:53.500 because if you think about it if you if you take the most extreme example of what ai does um all of

00:20:59.820 them line up with german behavior so either it goes insanely woke like the la version of ai well that's

00:21:06.380 what they're doing now it either becomes hyper efficient well that's kind of german as well or it

00:21:11.420 becomes megalomania megalomania go and tries to destroy the world well you know so i mean either

00:21:16.220 way if you put an ai in charge of germany you just think oh that's that's just fine right we offer we

00:21:23.580 did also cover the solingen stabbings at the diversity festival also yeah i about a year ago or so i did

00:21:30.380 an interview with peter bohringer yeah anyone was that go to low seaters.com i mean if you're watching

00:21:35.420 this you're probably already there right there's an interview where i spoke to one of the vice chairman

00:21:39.580 uh i thought it was a really good interviews interesting chap yeah right and here we have an

00:21:46.140 article from the european conservative that is talking about some statistics that i showed also

00:21:51.980 when i covered the solingen stabbings but i have to remind people of some statistics which are just

00:22:01.100 explaining what is going on so in germany they are comparing here the year 2022 with the year 2023

00:22:11.660 so the total number of crimes arose increased by 12.5 percent in 2023 non-germans were six times more

00:22:21.180 likely to engage in knife attacks than german citizens six times more likely and they're definitely not six

00:22:27.900 times the population of germans in germany yeah that's the per capita situation that and i spent

00:22:33.100 a fair bit of time in germany in the in the 90s in the early 90s and not the early 90s the um yeah so

00:22:39.020 the late 90s and it wasn't quite japan levels of crime but it was just it was just a such a low crime

00:22:45.740 environment yeah it's amazing how yeah how things can change really fast just really fast bad polish

00:22:54.300 giant 600 percent imagine you're suddenly six times richer than you are now yeah imagine someone

00:23:00.140 six times your heart that would be a lot imagine someone like that's that's a giant giant leap

00:23:07.100 in uh they're saying that the average of crimes per day is around 2 165

00:23:13.740 in 2023 violent acts were 31 887 and there was a 10 percent increase compared to 2022 so that means

00:23:26.380 that in 2022 they were around 29 000 and now they're close to to 32 sexual violence has increased by 15

00:23:35.980 15 15 15 15 15 in a year from 2022 to 2023 it's massive okay one year fine violence and train stations

00:23:47.980 and trains has risen by 11 percent pickpocking incidents increased by 16 to be around 28 000 so

00:23:57.580 you get a lot of you get an idea what was throwing me there was over one year if you did it back to

00:24:05.020 2014 when a lot of this started that it would be like 500 600 percent it only looks like quite a small

00:24:11.020 percentage because you're doing it from a high bre a high base of the previous year yeah so it's still

00:24:16.460 big though to me going up by 12 15 16 in one year that's still that's still pretty massive that really

00:24:23.100 adds up after a few years the cumulative effect of changes like that rouse beat them out yes so

00:24:32.620 i i'll end with saying that there are some signs that there could be some positive changes in europe

00:24:40.700 for instance now austria is saying that we're not gonna open up borders to anyone who won't be able to

00:24:47.820 to reach germany you know any illegal immigrant who tries to reach germany but won't be able to during

00:24:56.540 the closed borders also we had uh hangary victor orban saying that uh when he was fined with 200 million

00:25:06.140 euros for not accepting the number of illegal immigrants by the eu migration pact saying that we're all gonna

00:25:17.500 take all of them back to brussels we're gonna give them a free bus ride back to brussels so it could be

00:25:24.300 the case that the more right-wing parties have power in europe the more politicians understand that

00:25:35.340 some policy some sense is required when it comes to policies of illegal migration and mass migration

00:25:43.260 and you could also say that in some cases it's it's too late but i mean i i'm not a pessimist i'm an

00:25:51.980 optimist but the question is in a changing environment where a lot of countries are beginning to say that

00:26:01.260 we need to have a sort of tougher approach towards borders the countries that won't that will remain

00:26:09.900 relaxed will probably receive a lot of pressure and here is a question by isabel oakshot she's saying

00:26:17.900 hammered by migration germany announces border checks at all land borders schengen a fundamental

00:26:24.060 pillar of the eu is collapsing where is the uk in all of this waving in more illegal migrants so if the eu

00:26:31.740 starts guarding its borders and the uk doesn't then perhaps the pressures to the uk when it comes to

00:26:43.500 to mass migration are going to be worse and i will say that contrary to some people and the takes of some

00:26:50.780 people i really don't think that starma is more sensible than yeah i mean the disadvantage without

00:26:57.740 saying that the previous ones were sensible the disadvantage for our elites of course is that

00:27:01.420 we're a long way from from africa so they just have to fly them over the top of europe so yeah i mean

00:27:07.260 that they will find a way you know even if there isn't a direct route through france even to stem

00:27:13.820 the flow a bit before them get into calais though it will be helpful otherwise they've got to get a

00:27:19.180 small dinghy from what from from from the phosphorus uk government put them on a plane and flying them in

00:27:25.580 yeah so we that this is a bit confusing coming from the german government most probably they were

00:27:33.180 they are alarmed by the afd's performance and they're trying to mitigate that in the level of

00:27:39.420 communication but we will be here and we are going to see what happens right let's talk about uh donald

00:27:46.860 trump who has uh basically oh so no no let's not talk about scrap that scrap that redo the same right

00:27:53.900 uh we've got some we'll sort it out in post yeah we sort it out in post we got o punk saying how many

00:27:59.580 of those german nationals who do stab others are ethnically german uh i i think we answered it when we

00:28:05.660 said that uh non-germans are far less there are definitely not six times more than germans in

00:28:11.820 germany right now yes but they are six times more likely to engage in knife crime um we've also got

00:28:20.700 another one which looks like it might fit into my segment better so i'll leave it there for for now

00:28:25.500 right let's try that again shall we

00:28:27.740 donald trump has sent out a clear warning to cease and desist so i'm going to refer you to this uh

00:28:35.420 this tweet that he put out and uh it is it is worth reading through it's going to take me a moment but

00:28:40.860 but bear with me because it's um stronger language than he's used before he says cease and desist

00:28:47.900 i together with many attorneys and legal scholars i'm watching the sanctity of the 2024 presidential

00:28:53.980 election very closely because i know better than most the rampant cheating and skullduggery

00:28:59.260 top marks for the use of the word skullduggery there i've i thought i had to get the word bamboozled

00:29:03.980 into my segment later on just to make up for the fact that he's used such a good word there

00:29:07.420 cheating and skullduggery that has taken place in the democrats uh 2020 presidential election it was

00:29:13.740 a disgrace to our nation therefore in 2024 where votes have just started being cast will be under the

00:29:20.140 closest professional scrutiny and when i win those people who cheated capital letters will be

00:29:25.980 prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law which will include long-term prison sentences

00:29:31.100 so this depravity of justice does not happen again we cannot let our country further devolve into a

00:29:37.180 third world nation always doing that isn't it and we won't please be aware this legal exposure

00:29:43.580 extends to lawyers political operatives donors illegal voters and corrupt election officials

00:29:50.220 those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out and prosecuted at levels unfortunately we

00:29:55.900 have never seen before in this country good isn't it i'll take it if he if he does do that yeah then

00:30:04.700 good i i'm a little bit concerned because it reminds me of um do you remember locker up

00:30:12.220 like in 20 no 2016 wasn't it he would he would get the crowd to chant locker up or in 2020 he was

00:30:18.460 going to release the kraken yeah i i think that's a bit more uh i i i am of the opinion which is a bit

00:30:26.380 unpopular and especially on twitter that uh that uh trump is not gonna be the person they want them to

00:30:34.540 be and by that i mean he's not going to be he's not going to punish other people as much as they

00:30:41.020 want yes well i want him to do what he actually says that he's going to go after people and jail

00:30:45.820 them for very long periods for what they did in 2020 well some people want him to go full sulla

00:30:51.180 don't they these are exactly these are exactly the people i have in mind he's not going to do that

00:30:57.340 but the thing is the overarching point is there's one thing to say you're going to drain the swamp

00:31:02.300 there's another thing to get it done it's hard i like i know but it's obviously hard to drain the

00:31:09.180 swamp it's one thing to get up and make a speech or do a tweet saying it because you know like last

00:31:14.620 time he was going to drain the swamp when he got in in 20 when he started filling it up again by

00:31:19.020 bringing in john bolton and all the rest of them yeah there was very little swamp drainage going on

00:31:24.060 although he did try like for example at the fbi right he got rid of comey didn't he but that took a

00:31:30.140 lot of political capital to do that a lot of time and energy and politicking had to go on just to

00:31:36.060 remove him and in theory he should just do it like that i mean yeah but it doesn't actually work out

00:31:41.180 by a presidential fiat yeah just but he's part of the executive branch he should in theory just have

00:31:46.380 the power to do that but they managed to bog him down with procedure my hope is that now he's done it

00:31:51.340 once you know he's actually got experience in in the job that that hopefully he won't his wheels

00:31:59.260 won't spin for weeks and weeks if not months on end he'll actually know hopefully you know i think he

00:32:04.140 won't let himself get distracted i did want to pick up on the cease and desist bit at the top because

00:32:09.100 that is um a sort of legal term that you'll often see in in letters from lawyers where it's basically

00:32:15.260 saying you know you're doing something and if you keep doing it we're gonna we're gonna bring legal

00:32:19.260 action actually courts like the bbc and the and the tv licensing they say cease and desist on that

00:32:25.580 on the tv license not exactly but they're constantly sending very threatening messages oh yeah it's a

00:32:30.380 bit like that so cease and desist we have a list of you you know cease and desist can come from the

00:32:35.260 courts but more commonly it comes from from lawyers uh as basically a warning that you know you are about

00:32:41.180 to be sued if you don't immediately stop doing the thing that we don't want you to do and then you

00:32:44.780 have to take a decision as to whether you ignore it or you you know you're you or you actually do

00:32:50.460 stop it um it's unusual to see that used from a private citizen even one with sort of stature as

00:32:56.940 as former president but effectively he's not he's not sending it to an individual he's saying there's

00:33:01.820 a whole class of people they're political operatives donors legal voters and election officials who we

00:33:06.940 will be going after so i can see why he's felt it appropriate to use it here um just a reminder

00:33:12.460 and um you know here is here is a good tweet that i found that shows the top election number of votes

00:33:19.500 cast the top 10 so you can see that one of these numbers is not like the others um barack obama for

00:33:27.100 those who are listening barack obama just under 70 million votes barack obama um the next time

00:33:32.780 round got less votes you got 65 million votes hillary clinton managed to get 65 million votes donald trump

00:33:39.900 uh that same year managed to get 65 63 million votes but of course with the way the electoral

00:33:45.660 college breaks down that was enough to put him over the top um and then we've got various others they're

00:33:50.460 all they're all about the 60 level until you get to 2020 when donald trump increased his vote

00:33:57.740 share from the previous election by what was it 12 million votes right and joe biden got 81 million votes

00:34:08.380 i mean it just stands out like a sore thumb that number against the back of the most popular president

00:34:13.020 ever to have lived well exactly most popular man yeah to have lived yeah i mean going on these numbers

00:34:19.180 the only reason barack obama won is because he had joe biden as his vice president um

00:34:26.060 if it wasn't for sleepy joe barry obama wouldn't would never wouldn't have stood a chance he didn't just

00:34:31.980 get more votes than anyone here in history he got substantially more votes than anyone in history

00:34:37.660 i mean by the order of of whatever it is like see he got 16 million more votes than barack obama

00:34:43.900 at the height of his popularity remember the l curve is that what they called it was it

00:34:49.820 so they called it the l curve oh i got that coming up oh okay oh yeah i i i i will i will come to that

00:34:56.780 um as another reminder google searches for what are the punishments for electoral fraud were up 366

00:35:08.140 compared to all other elections just before the 2020 election right so for some reason for no reason

00:35:15.420 at all and by the way it happened predominantly in those six states that stopped the count late at night

00:35:22.060 for some reason a massive surge in people trying to find out what their liability was if they cheated

00:35:27.180 an election for you know for no reason no reason at all um so anyway i looked into what the federal

00:35:33.820 penalties are you know what can you actually get done for if trump follows through on this what you can

00:35:38.620 actually get done for if you uh if you diddle an election so i found various statutes there is the um

00:35:45.820 uh there was voter fraud um which violates um 18 usc uh section uh 611 right and that can result in

00:35:56.380 five years in prison so that is when you vote more than once so so as a private individual if you vote

00:36:01.260 more than once we vote in somebody else's name or you vote as a non-citizen five years in prison um and

00:36:06.780 a fine of ten thousand dollars unless you live in a democrat area with a democrat da who just won't do

00:36:12.220 anything well the statute is there whether it's enforced or not is a different thing um there's

00:36:18.140 mail fraud and voter fraud um um 52 usc uh section 2051 and that will get you uh what is that that is

00:36:28.220 for oh yeah for voting incorrectly through the mail or voting fraudulently through the most five years in

00:36:33.020 prison and a fine so it's very similar to the next one um conspiracies defraud the united states

00:36:39.020 where a group of people um conspire to manipulate an election 18 usc section um 371 again five years

00:36:48.540 in prison but the fines get a bit more substantial they can go up it still seems mild because what

00:36:51.980 you're doing is a really in my opinion a terrible terrible crime you're perverting yes the republic

00:36:58.540 itself well well the the five years these are largely sort of just individuals doing it um but the next

00:37:06.220 one is is the only one where it gets slightly interesting and that's election uh official

00:37:10.940 fraud where you tamper with ballots alter the uh vote totals engage in bribery to in to influence an

00:37:17.260 election result but still that one is only 10 years in prison which is not enough really i wonder if

00:37:24.380 there's any press that i anyone's actually been prosecuted and given a heavy sentence in the last

00:37:29.260 20 30 40 years any person i wonder if there's any there must be one or two well i say no there

00:37:34.780 is i wonder if there are one or two it happens a little bit right okay a little bit and they're

00:37:38.620 cool and they're prosecuted to the full extent of the law really a bit okay a bit um so then i thought

00:37:45.260 okay well how much further can he go and could he because obviously those those sentences they're a bit

00:37:51.100 like meh and i wouldn't want to be in jail for five years but at the end of the day it's not

00:37:55.500 it's only five years not it's not that bad is it so i thought can you get them for trees what

00:38:00.220 prison you're in probably yeah yeah you're in with yes um but the other thing is um i think

00:38:08.460 it's not entirely up to donald trump because he would have to pick who he wants to be at the

00:38:12.300 department of justice and it it depends who that guy is how hard line and badass that guy is yeah

00:38:18.220 well right yes if you pick a weakling or weak-wristed guy you want a total nutter doing

00:38:24.460 all right yeah you you well you basically you want the sort of person that the democrats routinely

00:38:29.020 appoint but on the other way yeah yeah yeah yeah you want you want like a merit garland but of the

00:38:34.300 right yeah so then i thought okay well obviously those are a bit weak source so what if he goes to

00:38:38.780 treason with what if he tries to get them in charge of treason now that i don't think is going to work

00:38:43.500 uh because uh this is article three section three of the constitution and and it's quite limited it

00:38:49.420 says um yeah what is it levying war against the united states or adhering to their enemies giving

00:38:56.540 the maiden comfort because isn't that what they tried to get him on with the russiagate stuff yeah

00:39:02.540 yeah but you can see that probably doesn't work for an election but so to prove yeah

00:39:09.260 people are actually in the pocket of the ccp or reason i like that one is because then you can you

00:39:13.260 know you know line them up against the wall oh it is capital punishment is it for that yeah yeah

00:39:18.380 but right seditious conspiracy so so this one's got legs right uh 18 usc section 2384 right this

00:39:26.940 statute makes it a crime for two or more people to conspire to overthrow put down or destroy the us

00:39:33.020 government by force or to prevent hinder or delay the execution of law in the united states by force

00:39:38.940 um possibly well that's 20 years in prison still seems yeah if you did something like that shouldn't

00:39:48.060 that be again wouldn't you life without parole or death or something i mean unless you could

00:39:52.940 a gibbeting well often they can kind of combine them so they can get you a charge of this charge

00:39:57.340 of that and then they can sort of run them after each other um election related fraud and tampering laws

00:40:02.060 so there are various other crimes um which is tampering an election that can get 20 years

00:40:08.380 so if you combine that one with that one there you go you're 40 years that's not too bad or maybe you

00:40:11.740 can have multiple cases of them again it would totally depend on the prosecutor probably wouldn't

00:40:17.500 it the da or whether they want to go all out health for leather whether they're prepared to do that

00:40:24.220 stuff um yeah you need you need and i doubt that i don't think the president of the united states well

00:40:31.260 i'm pretty sure the president can't uh appoint prosecutors i mean special prosecutors no you'd

00:40:37.820 be up to the department of justice again and when it take a generation to swap out all the

00:40:44.380 well i mean he would have to put a good boss in place and bring in the right so that that's kind

00:40:49.180 of where he went wrong the first time is he didn't have a proper plan for coming into office

00:40:53.100 and so he just got handed all these swamp creatures and people came to him and said look

00:40:57.340 mr president congratulations on winning you now need to appoint all of these people and these are

00:41:01.420 the right people and because he didn't have his own team worked out he kind of had to do so he's

00:41:04.940 probably going to be a much better president because he does he's had those four years out to think

00:41:08.140 about what his plan is on day one so hopefully he's got this work i mean very disappointing if he

00:41:13.660 hasn't hopefully he won't pick scaramucci as the press yes yeah remember the mooch yeah remember the

00:41:19.660 the last one i mentioned is oh actually this is obstruction of an official proceedings you could

00:41:24.300 get them on that that's 20 years count and rico um um for organized crime you could maybe argue it

00:41:31.500 falls under that as well so that's 20 years in prime and forfeiture of assets so so that's some

00:41:37.260 good ones well that's definitely what prosecutors do don't they they've got someone that they know

00:41:41.420 that's an organized criminal you know maybe the head of a gang or something or the actual mafia um and

00:41:47.500 and they can only really get them on like a tax evasion or something but they say oh but we're

00:41:51.980 prosecuting you under rico laws which is 20 years or something in a federal jail and all your assets

00:41:58.780 gone so they definitely use rico laws to just put loads of pressure on people there is a sorry for

00:42:05.180 the phrasing but my box has stopped working can we have the next take it out and put it back in

00:42:09.900 phrasing right no um here we go so so that's what you're referring to wasn't it yeah yeah so this is

00:42:14.620 basically the mission for those who are listening uh last time there was what would you call this

00:42:18.140 these sort of the l curve the l curve the bit where it sort of just jumps up f curve sorry yeah

00:42:23.500 oh the s curve the upside down l curve otherwise known correctly as the f curve of the f curve right

00:42:28.620 yeah so uh obviously trump has got because look the official narrative on this the official narrative

00:42:36.620 is that the us has the most important high stakes elections in the world that it's one of the only

00:42:44.460 democratic countries in the world that doesn't make you show voter id and that miraculously it has zero

00:42:50.620 voter fraud like how can that possibly be the case like everything that can be rigged is rigged

00:42:59.340 well the thing is the reality is there there's all sorts of voter fraud and it's always sort of

00:43:05.420 always been the case i've heard someone say that in 2016 with hillary they didn't cheat enough and

00:43:10.300 with biden in 2020 they cheated too much and that in other words there's always cheating on both sides

00:43:15.420 sort of thing you know go back to the 1960 election which i've looked at in loads of detail

00:43:21.020 when kennedy beat nixon yes before anyway oh and it's kind of he's kind of openly admitted at this

00:43:26.540 point but yeah there was loads of cheating in it yeah yes sort of loads of cheating going on

00:43:30.220 all the time but you know it has to be kept within reasonable limits otherwise you end up with

00:43:34.300 stats like this where it's just it's obvious what my point is my point is more fundamental

00:43:39.820 than that take something completely outside of politics do you remember libor yeah the libor rate

00:43:45.100 so the libor is the london interbank official rate or something like that so basically it's that

00:43:49.820 is it was like an interest rate that was set and it was done by taking a sample from various

00:43:56.140 different banks and lots of contracts were riding on this it was high value and it could be rigged

00:44:03.020 and it turned out that it was rigged right and that's just one example right everything that is

00:44:08.300 high stakes and can be rigged is rigged and we expected to believe that the most high stakes

00:44:12.380 election in the world that can be rigged for some reason isn't it it obviously is um let's show

00:44:20.140 oh let's see how my box is doing these days there we go that as well i thought is uh

00:44:27.020 so for those who are listening it basically shows the rally sizes that trump got the rallies that obama

00:44:32.860 got and um i mean it's basically a sea of people in both cases i mean obama and trump were legitimate

00:44:40.140 um crowd pullers and it's got some and then it shows um biden's and and these are and these

00:44:47.900 and this is genuinely it those are the sort of number of people that were turning up to biden's

00:44:52.700 election rallies i mean it was covid times but but the point is absolutely valid

00:44:58.140 and it is also sort of a bit of a colloquial not colloquial um um what's the word when the evidence

00:45:04.780 is uh circumstantial circumstantial sort of evidence nonetheless having said both those things it does

00:45:11.580 speak volumes though doesn't it it does speak volumes how tiny the turnouts were oh i i have never

00:45:17.420 seen a gap a gap in enthusiasm as big as in 2020 yeah it was undeniable right regardless of covid

00:45:24.460 yeah but look obama he got at the height of his popularity he got 70 million votes and those are

00:45:31.100 the size of the crowds he was pulling trump at the height of his popularity got 74 million votes and

00:45:35.820 those are the size of the crowd and nobody was interested in joe biden he got 81 million

00:45:41.660 um some other comparisons obama won 873 counties trump won 2 497 counties biden won 477 and apparently won

00:45:54.860 obama won 18 out of 19 bellwether states trump won 18 out of 19 bellwether states

00:46:05.020 biden won one of the bellwether states nothing suspicious there the 2020 election was an

00:46:11.900 interesting one wasn't it statistically oh statistically it was fascinating interesting um

00:46:18.220 um obama he won florida ohio and uh iowa all bellwether states trump florida ohio

00:46:28.780 iowa all bellwether states and biden lost all of those

00:46:33.260 uh obama he won house seats trump he won house seats and biden lost house seats

00:46:38.620 i mean the artifacts in this data is um anyway so then i thought i'd move on to some sort of the

00:46:47.020 the reaction to um you know what what people said about this and you've already hit upon this point

00:46:51.420 now i picked this one entirely at random there were thousands of these comments uh coming back

00:46:56.220 on trump where you know linda here is saying i get so sick of his whining we never ever had a problem

00:47:01.900 with elections until trump came along why is that because trump cannot accept a loss as you've already

00:47:07.100 pointed out there was there was a long record of election interference and fraud in the in the united

00:47:13.740 states yeah tons of it going back to the 19th century yes it's always been the case yes they were

00:47:20.540 press gang people into voting a certain way like back in the yeah i mean they would poison they would

00:47:29.020 okay i won't bother going yeah now but well two instead of you making the case why don't we hear

00:47:33.580 what the democrats themselves have to say about election fraud uh something do you want to play

00:47:38.300 that nice and big and loud for us certainly also i actually held a demonstration for my colleagues

00:47:44.300 here at the capitol um where we brought in um folks who before our eyes hacked election machines

00:47:52.860 um those that are not those that are being used in many states but are not state-of-the-art from our

00:47:57.740 perspective we're very concerned because there's only three companies you could easily hack into them

00:48:05.260 it makes it seem like all these states are doing different things but in fact three companies are

00:48:11.020 controlling that 43 percent of american voters use voting machines that researchers have found have

00:48:20.460 serious security flaws including back doors these companies are accountable to no one they won't answer

00:48:30.140 basic questions about their cyber security practices and the biggest companies won't answer any questions at all

00:48:39.420 five states have no paper trail and that means there is no way to prove the numbers the voting machines

00:48:49.740 put out are legitimate so much for cyber security 101 all right so uh for those who are listening that

00:48:59.660 those are all democrats you know making the case that you know these machines don't work particularly well

00:49:04.700 another good example and i'll be careful what i say because he he's a bit litigious um eric kuma

00:49:11.820 interesting chap head of election security at dominion voting is that the actual surname yeah his actual

00:49:17.580 name is kuma well on that um i'm i'm just going to quote from this new york times article because like

00:49:25.260 i say he's a bit litigious uh and i am quoting here from the article uh kuma had written vile anti-trump facebook

00:49:32.300 posts those posts from july 2016 which characterized donald trump as an autocrat and narcissist and a

00:49:39.580 fascist as well as other much more vulgar insults head of election security at dominion voting machines

00:49:47.980 now if you genuinely believe that a man is a fascist what is it legitimate to do oh anything punch me in

00:49:53.980 in the face if you want yes uh the article goes on uh that kuma had a powerful sense of regret when

00:50:00.700 these facebook posts became public because the facebook posts were in fact authentic why hadn't

00:50:06.860 he just deleted them kuma could imagine how his words would sound to just about any republican

00:50:13.580 so so basically his concern was he was vile anti-trump um you know there was that um

00:50:18.700 um should we say controversy and his concern was that he didn't delete the facebook post showing

00:50:25.420 how much he hated trump quick reminder of um where the state of play was on the night

00:50:33.020 in those six key states that ultimately decided the election before they suddenly had a waterworks

00:50:40.060 problem or something and they found that they had to stop the stop the vote look at that

00:50:43.980 trump was leaning on all of them and then and then i think one of them i can't remember which one now

00:50:52.060 said oh we've got a leak in a bathroom we're gonna have to stop counting but then that that obviously

00:50:56.940 wouldn't work for all six of them so they just said oh no it's a bit late now we're gonna have to stop

00:51:00.940 counting didn't giuliani and the kraken woman didn't they try and actually take it to court and lose

00:51:08.140 though didn't dominion counter sue for libel dominion counter sue and did win but i mean

00:51:16.060 they never got standing anywhere so so basically the the supreme court was like yeah yeah we've got

00:51:20.460 standing to bring this in fact texas tried to take it to the supreme court and the supreme court said yeah

00:51:25.740 you only texas why do you have standing in this matter but uh yeah but no my point is

00:51:31.260 obviously we want trump to follow through on this yeah right yeah be nice not like lock them up this

00:51:38.860 time but if they if they want to cheat this time it's going to be a hell of a lot harder because

00:51:45.660 people are not going to be bamboozled so i told you i don't get that word in there they're not going

00:51:49.340 to be bamboozled into because last time they could say to people oh we're just stopping for the night

00:51:54.620 come back in the morning we carry on then people the the election counters this time they're not going

00:51:59.020 to go for that if they if they say you know you leave the building and leave the votes with us

00:52:03.740 people are just going to say no i'll just stand here all night then you know they're going to have

00:52:07.580 lawyers on hand um you know last time around they were doing things like covering windows

00:52:12.780 yeah keeping duffel bags of votes under under the um under the desk you know this time the election

00:52:18.700 observers and the lawyers and the rest of it they are not going to stand for it if they try and pull

00:52:22.460 this again but i mean that gives them a that gives them an interesting problem doesn't it because

00:52:29.020 trump says look i'm going to go after people who cheated and i'm going to put them in jail for a

00:52:33.500 long time what do you do if you've already cheated last time right yeah well there's a pretty yeah

00:52:39.020 there's a pretty powerful incentive to try and cheat again next time but it's going to be a lot harder

00:52:43.180 to do so this is a real dilemma for the people and the other thing is right if you cheat this time

00:52:48.860 around right you're definitely in it but you need the other key states to cheat as well

00:52:56.860 and some of them your opposite number has been replaced by somebody who didn't cheat last time

00:53:01.500 so he's not in it so do you cheat i mean they've got a problem so i kind of admire trump like drawing

00:53:09.900 a line under this and saying that no you you are gonna you are gonna go to jail for a very long time

00:53:13.980 including those people who cheated in 2020 so uh yes good one donald a lot of those on the screen

00:53:20.620 aren't even marginal look at pennsylvania yeah

00:53:25.500 mad yeah massive steal tell us about mars we have some oh no we've got some yes i always forget

00:53:33.260 these people right we'll get to mars in a bit isn't there one scroll down there was one for like a hundred

00:53:37.820 bucks oh yes oh thank you very much um blood for the blood god um so to two points first of all

00:53:45.740 uh that is a very generous hundred dollar super chat thank you very much second of all i have no

00:53:50.060 idea what you're talking about you say remember to vote grandpa buff as president and franklin the

00:53:54.060 raccoon as vice president in 2024 what's he talking about is that is that trump and vans i don't know

00:54:00.860 well anyway thank you very much um sad wings raging says trump 2024 to port and jail uh that's a random

00:54:10.860 name says is it even possible for trump to you know bloody moving uh is it even possible for trump

00:54:16.780 to do anything against who is moving this or the oh new donations are coming i'm gonna have to read

00:54:23.660 fast otherwise people are going to keep moving it for me we we want more donations so take your time

00:54:28.780 so more come in keep moving the bloody list right with the donations is it even possible for trump to

00:54:33.900 do anything against the deep state considering the last president tried to get uh tried to get his head

00:54:37.980 popped like a balloon not being pessimistic just genuinely curious indeed um neo unrealist says

00:54:44.620 speaking of appointing the right sorts of the roundup appointing cash patel to the task uh for the trump

00:54:51.420 would be like going full sula uh dragon lady for five dollars thank you very much as the heritage foundation

00:54:57.020 has election fraud database on their website keith the kaiser says uh i take people uh at their

00:55:03.580 merit although trump would need to be better than harris uh sad wings raging for five uh says remember

00:55:09.660 the battle of athens tennessee uh i don't actually remember um says crime pays the binary server good

00:55:17.820 chap um it will make it it will multiple different cheat types not just ballot mules i don't think they

00:55:23.740 will stop cheating they're already in too deep yes fair point and bald eagle 1787 says even if there

00:55:30.780 are poll watchers lawyers and other third party groups democrats are going to cry intimidation when

00:55:35.260 trump wins at this point i trust russia and china to oversee our elections yes right now mars

00:55:43.100 right yeah if you could scroll on a document uh there okay great all right well now time for something

00:55:49.740 completely different i thought we'd do a white pill for once all good um something a bit different a

00:55:54.780 tech-based segment rather than just endlessly just uh reacting to the news cycle and what trump or or

00:56:01.820 somebody tweeted last time well having said that i'm going straight to an elon tweet from just yesterday

00:56:07.740 or two days ago uh can you play that that little video that elon posted without any further comment

00:56:14.460 there's multiple starships they're heading to the red planet it's like the harkonnens descending

00:56:26.060 arrakis yeah but the difference is that musk is a bit like musk probably actually can do this

00:56:32.460 you can probably can actually pull this off right yeah so i thought we'll do a segment talking all about

00:56:37.180 mars and the realities of going to mars and things uh hopefully it will happen in my lifetime

00:56:44.380 there's there's talk of the 2030s or maybe the 2040s i suspect it will be much much longer than

00:56:49.420 that i just hope i'm still alive to see it i think he wants his first unmanned mission in 29

00:56:55.580 so so the way it works in 2026 there's planning 2026 yeah because the way it works with mars

00:57:02.140 basically you get a four-year launch window every four years you get a launch window where you need

00:57:06.780 to sort of take off and just get mars as it's passing um but then you've got to wait another four

00:57:11.900 years to come back again or go there i see people in the chat saying if bogo gets to mars you won't

00:57:17.900 believe it yeah oh no i believe i'll believe yeah i know the other one was a load of bunk but i i've

00:57:25.260 explained my reasons for that but i reckon elon could pull this off so yeah the window has changed so

00:57:31.340 the way orbital dynamics work is that the closer you are to the sun the faster you go around the sun

00:57:37.020 yeah um so in other words sometimes mars is on the other side of the sun to us yeah you have

00:57:42.700 to wait until the right window where it lines up and you go to where mars will be and it takes

00:57:47.340 something in the order of nine months or something to get out there and then you have to stay there

00:57:52.620 for about six months and then you can come back again so it's like something like a two-year maybe

00:57:57.420 more round journey yeah or you wait there for four years and you do it yet but that's not the next

00:58:02.860 past that's simply not well if he's going to have a colony at this point yeah but no we're talking

00:58:07.580 about the first ever human feet on mars boots rather on mars so it's still a long way out there

00:58:14.460 and the actual details of the mars mission are still largely um not set in stone or anything like

00:58:20.620 for example nasa hasn't picked a landing spot on mars or anything like that yet it's a shame nasa

00:58:26.940 still involved well yeah they i mean spacex is only a partner to nasa nasa still the biggest boys

00:58:33.740 on the block but any mars mission will be sort of a worldwide effort or it looks to be the european

00:58:38.620 space agency the russians will be involved the japanese will be involved uh the the chinese the

00:58:43.820 indians in small part and lots of other outside uh companies so for example the company i can't

00:58:50.540 remember their name now hopefully hopefully not boeing that there's like a completely different

00:58:55.100 company it's nothing to do with nasa or or spacex or anything that are building making manufacturing

00:58:59.820 the space suits for example move it on so this isn't so this is the future of they're all stolen

00:59:06.940 space exploration yeah um so it'll just get subcontracted out to all different things

00:59:12.780 so for example there's everyone knows of elon's um the the starship yeah well that's really just the

00:59:20.700 vehicle i say just but that's the vehicle that will actually land on the moon and or mars it's not

00:59:25.980 necessarily the rocket that will take up lots of other stuff nasa will still be making and be in

00:59:32.060 control of lots of other elements of it it's not like an elon and spacex on their own are going to go

00:59:38.300 to mars um it will take really an entire our whole world effort to to make it happen because technically

00:59:46.780 the technical challenge of going to mars is gigantic it really is incredible um especially

00:59:53.340 since we don't have all that hyper advanced 1950s technology yeah yeah yeah anymore well that's one

00:59:59.180 of the things so let's talk about what the actual steps will be yeah okay so their thinking is the

01:00:05.020 idea of launching off from the earth to go to straight to mars that's just not possible the

01:00:10.460 the physics and all sorts of things just don't work even going to such a huge distance well yeah

01:00:17.100 you just couldn't it would be you'd have to build such a gigantic rocket yeah so take all that stuff

01:00:22.940 it's the way it's the weight of the fuel so it's a lot easier to get the fuel into into orbit or the

01:00:28.220 moon first so if you look at the apollo missions i know you've got questions at least as of i actually

01:00:34.140 over the earlier ones but anyway um it's a tiny little module at the top of those giant saturn

01:00:40.300 five rockets just to go to the moon and back in one go right now nasa don't want to do that they

01:00:48.540 don't want to go back to the moon or mars just so you can say you've done it and spend a few hours

01:00:52.620 there even sort of apollo 17 16 and 17 they're only there for a few hours before they had to come back

01:00:59.260 so the thinking is we've got the international space station we'll have a new upgraded space station

01:01:04.860 a refueling station really so elon and nasa will build many many starships dozens maybe

01:01:13.740 and you reef you get them up because it takes 90 of your fuel just to get out of earth uh gravity

01:01:18.620 to get into low earth orbit then you refuel the starships at our space station in low earth orbit

01:01:25.180 then you go to the moon where there'll be a moon base and a a lunar station they're called it

01:01:32.140 going to be calling it the gateway lunar station then you refuel again there and then you go to mars

01:01:40.860 and there'll be whole um vehicles that are never meant to land you build them maybe even in orbit

01:01:48.860 and they're never meant to be ever ever meant to be captured properly by the gravity of earth the moon

01:01:54.940 or mars or anything so it's a whole different thing it's a whole different beast to trying a moon shot

01:02:00.940 apollo style and coming back in one go like alpine style it would just be because they want to try and

01:02:07.500 stay right the idea is not to do that thing where you touch down for a few hours it's actually to stay

01:02:13.180 so people need some quiet yeah and would you actually go to mars yeah i'd volunteer 100 i'd go as well

01:02:21.980 even if i died i'd die gloriously right yeah but it but it basically is an irradiated desert with

01:02:27.340 nothing on it not even a bar yeah but it's a cool one how is that much different to swindon well

01:02:32.700 because i can because i can leave spindle whenever i want and they have bars no no it'd be a glorious

01:02:39.500 glorious journey it would be an odyssey beyond any i i might go once they've got it would be an

01:02:45.820 adventure dan where's your sense i might go once they've got the the nighttime economy set up i'm not

01:02:51.420 going before that no your name would be etched into the annals of time of one of the greatest

01:02:56.700 explorers yeah but he wouldn't read it that's not a good no but i would definitely go yeah okay yeah

01:03:04.060 i haven't got any skills though i'm afraid it's not exactly there's huge a huge supply of work for

01:03:10.620 st morris i'm not a geologist or anything i don't know about like building hydroponics out of scratch from

01:03:16.620 scratch or i'll be the poet i'll be the mission poet you you've watched a right recall with arnie

01:03:22.700 yeah yeah yeah it could be something like that we need air you remember when he was telling cohagan

01:03:29.260 give these people yeah yeah yeah that's what what they need to build well elon's ultimate vision

01:03:36.140 is to like have a giant uh city on there like a million people yeah don't colonize it permanently

01:03:42.620 absolutely permanently and that is i mean that will be that will take decades maybe even more

01:03:47.580 self-sustaining is is like a real challenge but so to go to mars you would need lots and

01:03:51.820 like the habitation lots of things to already be there so we need loads and loads of missions

01:03:57.260 to drop loads of stuff already there for example we've got there's the example of the perseverance

01:04:01.580 rover if anyone knows about that um so we could already we can drop something the size of a car

01:04:07.180 that's completely automated that could do all sorts of things oh yeah i mean here's a if you play that

01:04:11.740 video don't put the audio on but if you play it and uh if anyone remembers this is quite a few years

01:04:16.700 ago now that's it dropping into the martian atmosphere i had a thing called the sky crane

01:04:21.740 if i do you remember do you remember perseverance anyone do you remember i don't think you're referring

01:04:26.140 to now you're sharing it but it's a giant rover that's like the size of a car yeah um and uh it had a

01:04:33.500 giant uh that's real footage that's that's the surface of mars um if you believe all the nasa

01:04:41.820 lies and propaganda that is i believe no i believe this stuff right yeah then they had a thing called

01:04:47.500 a sky crane where it it it sort of it had rockets to sort of stabilize itself and then drop perseverance

01:04:52.780 down on some some tethers and gently drop it gently on the surface um anyway we'll let that play for a bit

01:05:01.100 while i keep on talking um but no so going to putting humans on mars is technically a massive

01:05:07.100 massive task um so first of all we need a much bigger and better earth space station then you

01:05:15.900 need a lunar station gateway but they also want to put people back on the moon to return to the moon

01:05:25.340 return yeah um but again sort of at least semi-permanently a base perhaps on the south

01:05:31.660 pole of the moon uh for all sorts of reasons you you want that or will need that um so that's one of

01:05:38.300 the first big steps is that and building building this gateway thing um so the there's the the new

01:05:44.460 apollo the updated of the apollo program is the artemis program or just what i think there's a few more

01:05:50.860 interesting clips of the perseverance thing you skip forward maybe a little bit samson

01:05:56.940 a bit more a bit more well anyway just watch it from there again again to me incredible footage of

01:06:02.700 an alien world uh it's touching down it's really really close to the ground at that point it reminds

01:06:08.620 me of chocolate a bit i don't know why the ferrero rocher look they're the jets uh and they're dropping

01:06:17.260 it down on the tether looking straight up that's the sky crane and then it breaks the tether and

01:06:22.780 uh anyway we've got lots of clever chaps working on this all on this sort of stuff there's one of

01:06:28.220 the link the next link actually perseverance brought a uh a little drone do you remember this this was a

01:06:33.660 few years ago one of the first white pill segments i've attempted with calum was showing this that's

01:06:38.780 actually a little drone on mars and it worked really really well surprisingly well as long as there's

01:06:44.780 not storms you can sort of fly around um it's quite good because it's a thin atmosphere it's really

01:06:50.460 cool yeah it's obviously less gravity but much less atmosphere but these guys are really clever and

01:06:56.140 they figured it all out and it is actually a roaring success i think we will do this as humanity but i

01:07:02.860 don't know if it's going to be in our lifetimes i hope it is yeah hopefully it will be in the 2030s or

01:07:07.740 2040s maybe we have billions of uh dollars or pounds in the future you know we're one of the

01:07:13.900 select few who go i'm not going yeah but if there is any major catastrophe the survivors will have to

01:07:21.740 go tomorrow so there's going to be a a very select club of people who are going to have tickets to mars

01:07:27.980 you wouldn't want to be there and to be fair elon is very rich and very motivated and he clearly wants

01:07:33.740 to do in his lifetime and he's older than us so yeah he's going to do everything he can to get

01:07:38.380 it done in his lifetime so he should be all right hopefully i'd just like to see it um uh yeah i'll

01:07:45.500 yeah anyway so the new apollo program if you like for the 21st century is the artemis program

01:07:51.900 and these are the the missions that are going to take us to the moon i appreciate the naming as well

01:07:57.180 apollo's sister yeah and so uh the the they keep extending how many missions there'll be last i

01:08:06.220 saw they they slated as many as 16 artemis missions so they've already done artemis one which was an

01:08:13.500 unmanned uncrewed but full-size rocket was a sls rocket full-size to the moon slingshot around the

01:08:20.620 moon and come back just to test to make sure they can still do that and it that was a complete success

01:08:24.940 almost complete success when the thing landed back in the on earth they realized there's a

01:08:29.900 couple of things that weren't 100 perfect but largely sort of 95 99 all went well um they've

01:08:36.700 already picked the crew um to go back if you scroll down samson on that a fair little way down you see

01:08:42.700 the crew um i hope it is a bit diverse yeah thank goodness yeah yeah thank god the first person of

01:08:51.180 color and the first woman to to land on the moon um so anyway that's the crew so uh artemis 2 they're

01:09:00.300 going to do a crew and that's in september next year uh there'll be it'll be like apollo 10

01:09:07.820 where they fly around the moon with people in it fly around the moon and come back and then artemis

01:09:12.620 3 which is meant i think in 2026 same crew i believe is where they actually plan to land on the moon

01:09:21.580 um yeah and it'll be and it'll be elon's starship first it's fun with the sequels you know and i

01:09:28.140 think they're gonna last and furious 20. i said they're gonna land at the south pole right yeah

01:09:33.180 artemis 20 it couldn't it might be i think i think they're up to 16 i've heard somewhere saw a video

01:09:37.900 somewhere um because they want to build a i have a permanent or semi-permanent human presence on the

01:09:43.660 moon probably at the south pole where there's water ice in the craters and the science is there or

01:09:49.180 nearly there to make fuel and all sorts of all sorts of metals and materials that are on the moon

01:09:55.180 you build things out of stuff that's on the moon yeah rather than rather you have to do it from local

01:10:00.220 manufacturing because because of the reason you outlined it's too too much to take expensive every

01:10:05.660 pound of weight you take up into orbit you can you can actually even make solar panels for energy from

01:10:11.260 lunar regolith i mean it has it has a woeful um light to energy conversion rate but because you

01:10:18.460 can make it there it's still superior so you make it out of regolith and with water as you can you know

01:10:23.500 break up the hydrogen and the oxygen and there's some sorts of very clever things that can be done

01:10:27.820 you you break the you break the water into hydrogen which is rocket fuel and oxygen which you need to to

01:10:32.940 breathe so yeah and to and to fire the the engines as well you need oxygen and just like a bellows in

01:10:40.860 your fire um okay so there's the earth so hopefully by i think it's later it says september 2026 is when

01:10:49.580 we're going to put boots back on the moon now the reality of it is it will almost certainly get pushed

01:10:54.140 back because it just always does it's just the nature of any big projects not just space travel any big

01:10:59.340 big projects and that's also kind of elon's thing he's he's ridiculously optimistic and he always

01:11:03.900 sets time tables and he he does actually achieve them but never when he says he will yeah well nasa

01:11:08.860 gave him a little bit of a chewing out not too long ago about six months ago saying some of the

01:11:12.860 technologies that spacex claims they were going to develop for all sorts of things they're a bit

01:11:17.580 behind on that yeah space spacex revolutionized space travel right something that something that nasa

01:11:24.060 couldn't do in 50 years it's a really unfair criticism yeah yeah okay right fine um still

01:11:30.380 anyway um can you scroll down on my um on my um document there so you can see okay so yeah over to

01:11:38.700 spacex then because their starship uh vehicle will be heavily involved in it and um so if we if we can

01:11:46.220 play this this is we've they've had four test flights this is a little video you can put the audio on but

01:11:52.700 quietly uh and play this the last test flight wasn't that long ago and they'll be the fifth one later

01:11:59.260 this month i believe i remember watching the first one and uh it blew up quite quickly the engineering

01:12:11.820 and even the sound i mean it's awesome isn't it i mean it's fire what's not to like

01:12:17.420 now witness the awesome fire power of a fully armed and operation i think it was just it was

01:12:23.980 just some stuff it was just some african-american elon who came up with this stuff nasa couldn't do

01:12:29.340 this and it is just this kid came along and revolutionized it about 30 or 33 raptor engines

01:12:36.060 on it yeah unbelievable those things are big beasts as well yeah yeah that will that will land

01:12:47.020 unsuccessfully but still um

01:12:52.780 and actually spacex they've got plans to use it as as basically replacement for long

01:12:57.500 call flight replacement so you can go from london to sydney in theory if this all works in about 45

01:13:03.740 minutes yeah the earth spins about a thousand miles an hour so yeah you wouldn't get much spin

01:13:09.500 going going on the latitude right yeah actually fair point yeah but look it is out like something

01:13:16.620 out of science fiction it didn't go absolutely perfectly it did then top they don't show you

01:13:24.140 it but then topples into the sea but still that's not really still yeah but you've gone from partial

01:13:30.780 reusability like 90% reusability when it works to what nasa was doing which was you lost the rocket

01:13:36.300 every time and elon's plan is to build dozens hundreds of these the the idea is that they'll

01:13:43.500 build a new at least segment a portion of a starship every day what an amazing ambition that is and this

01:13:52.220 is the top bit the actual starship if you like and it very nearly burns up on re-entry but not quite

01:13:59.820 um but you know you wouldn't want to be on board when it was doing something like that it's landing

01:14:04.780 australia in the dark it did land but then toppled over the thing is they're not actually meant to

01:14:11.500 land exactly there's there'll be a big grab tower thing they call it what do you call it the mechazilla

01:14:18.460 have you seen the big tower that they launched on it's also got like a big two arms i've seen the 3d

01:14:23.100 concept art stuff where it basically just hooks it on yeah it lands or slows down lands and it grabs it

01:14:28.620 and i think if i'm not mistaken test flight five which i think is later this month they're going to

01:14:33.900 attempt that they're going to have a go at being caught by the mechazilla that'll be a sight to

01:14:38.540 behold um if you play the one i could just call booster landings um i mean it is almost beggars

01:14:46.460 belief doesn't it go and play it play it um like you sometimes i think you sort of can't quite

01:14:51.660 believe your eyes imagine if an ancient person or a medieval person saw something like this

01:15:01.020 these are stages of i think these are from falcon nines or something the old starship ones

01:15:06.300 still you remember the early days when they tried to land you it sort of never worked because they

01:15:11.180 always fell over well they're getting better and better he was about to run out of money

01:15:15.500 until it until it works yeah at one point he very nearly ran out of money didn't he yeah very

01:15:21.260 nearly or the amount of money he was prepared to spend on it rather well no this was this was

01:15:24.780 his paypal fortune that that that was in the earlier days yeah when he wasn't anywhere near

01:15:29.340 as rich as he is now yeah well let's talk about the early days a little bit and um the engine so

01:15:33.740 when he first started i remember him going on joe rogan and apparently he said to some i think nasa

01:15:39.260 or even the the the russian space agency said can i buy one of your rockets or can i buy an inter

01:15:44.460 continental well first of all he tried to go to russia and he was going to buy a nuclear missile

01:15:49.260 without the nuclear yeah yeah that the warhead on it yeah and they said oh it's like it's this

01:15:53.100 much money i eat loads and loads of money and he was like well i can manufacture my own one for way

01:15:57.660 less than that and that was what started him yeah and when he first started he got a team together

01:16:02.460 and he said to his engineers just build me the cheapest simplest thing i haven't got endless endless

01:16:08.620 money so build me the simplest thing and they did and they got so far with that and at some point

01:16:14.620 after it took off and spacex became a thing he said right i don't want i don't want the simplest

01:16:21.180 old school basic essentially the same type of engines they were using in v2s the nazis were using

01:16:27.980 like the same concept of a rocket engine he's like no i want the best thing possible the most efficient

01:16:33.500 thing possible let's start from scratch and redesign the rocket engine to be much much more efficient

01:16:40.460 um so that's what they did and they created the raptor engine can we play the link have i got a link

01:16:45.420 there of just uh yeah play this just the awesome power of it

01:16:54.540 it's like it's always comical isn't it you know in a grand way in a fantastic way just like the

01:16:59.740 ridiculous power you wouldn't want that on the back of your beer would you absolutely love it i just

01:17:08.380 strapped 33 of those on a single vehicle um it's it's so great it's such a laddie thing like what's

01:17:15.820 the most powerful thing you can imagine let's build one like those um those old um saturn five

01:17:23.260 well because starship's got i think i keep keeps saying i 30 plus raptor engines but the old the

01:17:29.900 old um titan ones um or the old uh yeah the ones the apollo ones you'd have only like five i think

01:17:37.820 they're built by pratt and whitney have five of those engines they're much much bigger much less

01:17:42.220 efficient than a raptor but just just five of them these giant engines it was the most powerful thing

01:17:47.580 the fastest thing ever i think apollo 10 or 11 was the fastest ever thing men have ever built it went

01:17:52.620 like 40 000 miles an hour or something at its fastest speed that's the best way to light up a cigar

01:17:58.460 yeah imagine like yeah lighting a cigar standing just to the side you'll be all right um so um

01:18:08.700 so yeah with with elon's vision and his raptor and nasa committed to it with the artemis program

01:18:15.580 uh we're at least looking like they're going to build that gateway lunar station these are all the

01:18:21.180 all the things you need before we can realistically talk about really really going to mars but the

01:18:26.860 steps are happening carl seems to be convinced we're not going to or the or the whole thing

01:18:31.820 will be scuppered by i don't think it's only the select um we'll go there so slightly the best of the

01:18:38.300 best will get selected in light the actual mission oh enlightened you've got to be a plato scholar yeah

01:18:43.900 only philosopher kings are welcome on the final mars shot no we're going to be honorary guests

01:18:49.900 that'd be nice yeah i would go i i would love slightly off topic yeah i always think that

01:18:55.020 actually venus is a great bet as well what what venus is a hell escape the worst planet yeah for two

01:19:03.340 for two reasons one is i mean he's got an incredibly dense atmosphere it's like 95 times the density of

01:19:07.500 earth but what that means is that actually there is a buoyancy point about i think it's about 54 kilometers

01:19:13.580 up whereas if you basically take a um a lightweight city and put it in a sort of bubble and just fill

01:19:19.020 it with normal air it actually floats like you know like in star wars those floating cities uh empire

01:19:24.540 strikes back oh empire strikes back yeah so you can actually have floating cities about 50 miles up

01:19:29.980 and even coolers you can then go outside with just a bit of an oxygen breather

01:19:34.860 and it's like normal temperature at that altitude yes yeah i'll send you all the stuff

01:19:40.940 i thought venus was the rain sulfuric acid surface is an absolute and there's loads of ammonia surface

01:19:46.700 is an absolute hellscape i mean the pressure will kill you the heat will kill you the the lightning

01:19:50.780 will kill you the volcanoes will kill you there's a sweet spot 50 miles up yeah and venus okay and you

01:19:55.100 can have a relatively lightweight city structure okay and it will just float at that point wow yeah and and

01:20:01.260 the other thing is actually if you take it even further and this is a bit more tricky to pull off

01:20:05.260 if you think about it like 98 of the atmosphere venus is is um carbon dioxide so if you can transport

01:20:11.660 a large it would have to be a large amount of hydrogen which shouldn't be i mean and this is no time

01:20:17.100 soon this is like centuries into the future but if you were to take a large amount of hydrogen there

01:20:21.180 from one of the gas giants what happens when you combine co2 with um with hydrogen well you then

01:20:27.100 get the product with ch4 which is methane and h2o which is water so you can actually and you need a

01:20:33.260 catalyst like nickel or something but actually on on venus because it's so hot and the pressure is so

01:20:38.380 high even even a catalyst like um iron would work you can convert that co2 atmosphere basically you can

01:20:45.020 collapse it down into water and you're just left with a planet which is roughly the same size as earth

01:20:49.740 with with a um an ocean and continent surface structure but it but it stinks like hell because

01:20:57.580 it has so much methane it's like yes it's like being in a cow field with thousands of cows well

01:21:05.500 and and it would be worse than that because all the volcanoes would still be there and you still have

01:21:10.140 the sulfur um sulfuic acid in there but it would be cool it's very yeah it would certainly be cool it's

01:21:14.940 very very interesting but you're getting way ahead of the race oh yeah that is in the future that is

01:21:18.940 one thing i would like to say if i can make a direct appeal to mr musk i would love uh spacex to build

01:21:25.500 and send a a probe to europa i thought you're going to say uranus for a second i think yeah yeah

01:21:30.540 uranus is good you're on titan as well we've already been to titan the the height the huygens

01:21:37.180 the cassini huygens yeah mission we landed a probe on titan yeah but we there's a lot more to do on oh

01:21:43.820 yeah is uranus the the one with uh with the wind that's around 450 kilometers neptune and uranus

01:21:52.620 is like wind planets that nasa actually could have gone to europa and they decided not to because

01:21:56.940 there is a possibility that there's life under the ice shell well that's what i want that's

01:22:00.460 why i would like mr musk to go there whilst whilst nasa were dragging their feet so you send a lander

01:22:05.740 there and maybe this is some sort of got some sort of uh heat plate and it just melts through the

01:22:11.900 mile thick ice or whatever it is and underneath that ice is an ocean we know there's definitely

01:22:16.220 an ocean underneath the ice on europa and there may be life there why a bit tangential but why is

01:22:23.180 pluto not considered a planet anymore that's just a huge demotion it's in a regular shape so the the

01:22:29.260 definition was changed so that has to be has a regular spheroid shape you mean illegal uh yes yes

01:22:35.180 yeah it's a dwarf planet but i still count it as a planet okay yeah but the way i still

01:22:40.300 it will always be a planet you know still call istanbul constantinople pluto is still a planet

01:22:45.500 for me yeah um no i think there's just many yeah there's there's a few different reasons but um

01:22:51.420 okay i guess we'll leave it there we've run out of time unfortunately but hopefully we

01:22:54.460 we're going to mars in our lifetimes

01:23:02.460 yeah both yeah i know i know yeah that was that was deliberate okay

01:23:08.620 uranus is a wind planet the one with the wind you know the fast winds big winds out by uranus

01:23:18.460 uranus do we need to play the button our box isn't worth phrasing i went down to public art

01:23:25.100 rabbit hole today and now social you check out his hell blob 30 million dollars for something i

01:23:29.660 can replicate in blender in 48 seconds i timed it the interesting part is on his wikipedia page where

01:23:34.620 he's acclaimed not for being an artist but for being a tireless devotee to the plight of refugees

01:23:39.420 and displaced people so that leads to the question is he an alleged artist first and a political actor

01:23:44.540 second to keep himself ingratiated in the club or is he a political actor first and being paid

01:23:48.540 millions of dollars to inflict garbage on the public square is his dividends for being one of the

01:23:52.780 chosen few a distinction without a difference and the rest of us artists work for a living

01:23:59.340 one of those things look like the thing from flight of the navigator have you ever seen the 80s

01:24:03.020 film flight of the navigator oh yeah that's a good one that yeah one of the things earlier on in

01:24:06.860 that video looked like a small version of the yeah it did actually um well before we go on

01:24:11.820 do you want to read do you mind reading them so i always get terrible glare when i sit here i have

01:24:16.780 to lean over uh that random name says i was about to say what dan said venus is much easier to colonize

01:24:23.500 and terraform than mars um look it up the main issue with mars is that it is a core inert meaning no

01:24:29.420 magnetic field yeah yes there's no magnetic field on um um mars which means you lose the atmosphere that

01:24:36.220 you put on but at a rate that's quite slow so i get that i take that but it's not sure it's

01:24:41.740 not easier than it is surely venus isn't easier to terraform than mars surely not you could get

01:24:47.420 enough hydrogen there right which on it honestly i i'll take you through the stuff it's not as hard

01:24:53.820 it sounds ridiculous but it's not actually quite as absurd as you think it was easier to have a

01:25:00.380 little domed colony on mars but to actually terraform mars is a huge problem because it's lacking certain

01:25:06.300 things and with venus it's got those components if you can get some hydrogen there and like to say

01:25:11.500 catalyst like nickel or something because it's gaseous it's been a runaway well it's a rocky planet

01:25:16.620 but it just has a thick atmosphere yeah it's been a runaway climate change yeah i want i want to

01:25:23.660 trigger another conversation in the chat you just want to get back to uranus um uh pamela says love the

01:25:29.660 show thank you pamela says 20 good comment um lee 777 says zavalid alt history youtube had done a

01:25:41.020 couple of pretty funny videos about mars colony ran by elin declaring independence from the earth

01:25:47.420 bald eagle 1787 says uh what's funny is all these people wanting to go to mars don't realize they

01:25:54.140 aren't actually going to be chosen since they have zero useful skills needed to actually build a

01:25:59.180 society there although maybe that's what we could do we could build a society there we could be like

01:26:02.940 the founding fathers of mars um and i would insist on being an absolute monarch based and sad wings

01:26:11.580 raging says watch count dakula's battle on the athens tennessee video pure white pill history everyone

01:26:16.940 should know i i want to say something about pamela 2780 she says 20 because isn't 40

01:26:24.060 to the right answer yeah that is the answer yeah yeah just yeah is there one more venus is much

01:26:32.860 easier because it already has an atmosphere by that is a random name thank you and other such

01:26:38.860 components the idea is we terraform venus and use the leftovers to terraform mars i'll take roughly a

01:26:44.540 thousand years though though mars has got an atmosphere yeah it's a super thin though but the main the

01:26:52.060 main problem is it doesn't have a spinning iron core so you don't get that magnetic shell over

01:26:58.220 the top whereas venus you've got those necessary components

01:27:04.700 well i'll show you the stuff but it's not as it's not as crazy as you think it is we've got another

01:27:09.500 video dan since we spoke at the witton i found a book that i would like to send in to you about the

01:27:15.660 north korean economy very good it's called a most enterprising country north korea in the global

01:27:22.860 economy by justin v hastings i'll also leave a list of the things that he outlines in the book

01:27:30.140 as well as a very interesting video you can find on youtube

01:27:33.420 excellent well thank you look forward to receiving that at the regular po box address

01:27:43.500 hey guess what what it's scorpion season make sure you send this to anyone you know who might

01:27:49.900 be thinking about moving to texas that's one thing about england it's not like america or

01:27:56.700 or australia in my village yeah very yeah or even greece we've got very few bugs and big predators

01:28:03.660 or anything really in england oh that made me shudder even though it's a pretty small scorpion

01:28:12.540 there's more people sticking in comments no magnetic field means everything dies of space

01:28:17.580 cancer yeah you get you get um uh you get lots of radiation also venus will be warming me much

01:28:23.500 easier to have life on it yeah especially if you collapse down so a lot of the heat comes from the

01:28:27.580 pressure of the atmosphere the point is is that we could go to mars in decades and you're talking

01:28:35.100 about a thousand years or centuries yeah grabbing a a planet-sized amount of hydrogen yeah like this

01:28:45.100 i appreciate that's pie in the sky stuff um but you don't have to terraform mars in order to go there

01:28:51.100 you would have to terraform venus before you could dream of going there guys i think we need to also

01:28:55.660 do some of the comments from the yes yes we're distracting ourselves aren't we i want to say the

01:29:02.140 first one colin p says happy birthday mrs dan oh yes thank you very much rue the day um with her 27th

01:29:11.020 uh beau simping comment of of the stream saying beau is looking especially eye candy today uh the look is

01:29:17.900 coming along nicely you've got to send this woman a signed photograph of yourself at some point

01:29:25.180 no i appreciate i like it yeah thank you very kind of you to say i think the feeling is very

01:29:30.060 mutual there um has german oh no that's your one yeah captain charlie the beagle a no german family

01:29:35.980 that moved back to germany in 2016 only for them to come back during after covet they said that it's not

01:29:41.900 safe anymore due to the number of foreigners uh they aren't conservative at all the mother is a hippie

01:29:47.580 well they find they found out arizona there's a rat i really want the border to be policed again

01:29:53.980 u.s oil wells to be drilled and pumped and the money to be shut off my grocery bill went up again yesterday

01:30:00.300 because of inflation shrinkflation most probably this has this is about another one segment dan is built

01:30:08.620 like a garden shed

01:30:14.460 out of mahogany maybe let's all just glad in a pecanic be glad that germany is closing the

01:30:19.580 borders instead of expanding them the last few times i tried didn't go so well yep right

01:30:26.700 dan oh right yes hang on uh

01:30:30.860 trump right uh texas girl says looking forward to some white pills after yesterday mr ward says nobody

01:30:36.380 with confidence in their victory wants a less secure transparent election everything they do

01:30:41.500 screams insecurity they are scared witless and a little enough to begin with mr laser says uh here's

01:30:47.340 the thing with election manipulation charges the left will simply change the rules they did it in 2010

01:30:51.420 with amazing effect so brazenly uh to make a time magazine um cover story and um pick one more uh

01:31:00.620 no yes miss rat says uh but you don't know gentlemen requiring government id is racist apparently

01:31:05.980 people with a skin shade besides white are unable to get a government id indeed uh mars or bust you

01:31:13.260 want to do some of yours or yeah i can't see one too well i'll try all right well i'll do it uh

01:31:19.340 sophie liz says just make sure boeing isn't building those spacecraft mr fox says requirements for a

01:31:24.780 mars mission astronauts must like enclosed spaces for prolonged periods and potatoes of reference i think

01:31:31.260 who uh met damon uh george hap says i like the current era of space exploration even more than

01:31:37.660 the space race well this one is happening uh rather than two superpowers duking it out we have the

01:31:42.460 natural human curiosity and ambition of driven people passion even from a political perspective

01:31:47.260 and colonization of mars gives us the opportunity for a fresh start isn't that a bit hippie

01:31:52.540 i like it i'm just last two i'm just in a sort of trolling mood yes mr ape says going to mars sounds

01:32:03.500 like a great adventure being on mars sounds like the most boring thing i can yeah yes exactly this is

01:32:08.220 where i am i would only go if you could guarantee if you could die on the way and never arrive mars

01:32:12.860 doesn't even have cheeseburgers or anything it doesn't have it doesn't have a nighttime economy yeah

01:32:16.620 but you would wake up in a grateful universe okay right so so you you get put on the 2026 mission

01:32:24.780 yeah and you're what like late 30s now you get there and it's like oh right okay what am i going

01:32:28.940 to do now for the next 40 years and then i'll just travel fast and come back in time and be 35 again

01:32:37.260 i think not wanting to go to mars betrays a lack of adventure a lack of imagination it's just

01:32:43.900 it's just a it's just a cancer ridden desert it's not it would be one of the greatest achievements

01:32:51.260 that humans have ever done why would you not want to be part of that for the same reason it's not

01:32:55.820 about go and get a pole dance and getting drunk it's not about that right well you don't know

01:33:05.020 that's you could have a spaceship with a dancing pole and you could have also

01:33:09.980 if you know just get that past a nasa committee now come on they they need a base committee your

01:33:18.140 name i know it's only vanity but your name would go down with the likes of magellan

01:33:22.380 you'd be remembered for all time as one of that's not the kind of going down i'm worried about missing

01:33:26.540 out on imagine twerking in mars a video twerking in mars colin p says elon musk uh

01:33:33.340 must go to mars find six foot tall limbed martians busty arzumian princesses and dead tripods indeed

01:33:42.300 uh colin p also says uh ee doc smith helped create the the space opera genre has a u.s election for

01:33:49.420 storyline in the 1950s first lensman i didn't know that very good right oh we've got another one about

01:33:57.260 venus coming in oh you can have awesome floating cities i think cloud city and star wars in decades

01:34:02.540 in venus who wants to live in a sunless irradiated desert instead of comfortably warm utopian flying

01:34:08.140 cities yes that random name gets what i'm going on about but that won't even they admit it will be

01:34:13.580 in centuries though no he just said in decades oh decades it's it is honestly it is less complicated

01:34:19.740 than you think seriously i'll take you through the stuff after our venus just get to terraform venus

01:34:26.140 no no no to have floating cities that can be done more or less now yeah but you want them to

01:34:31.180 float somewhere it's honestly it can it can okay you wanted to float somewhere where you can have a

01:34:37.900 good view not just it's smelling like full of methane or something it's like a fart factory there

01:34:44.860 yeah right well i think methane is old list isn't it or sulfur i think i think venus stinks of sulfur

01:34:50.780 yeah yeah sulfur there's problem okay like that is eggy all right all right all right okay fine

01:34:57.340 we're getting grumbled out for the producer for not ending anyway so uh make your own mind up if

01:35:02.700 you're going to go to mars venus or have a night out like me because that's obviously much more sensible

01:35:08.380 um it's goodbye for me it's goodbye from him it's goodbye from him cheerio and see us in in uh half an

01:35:13.500 hour for hang on i'm being i'm being shouted at again i know i was just about to say that uh 25 as

01:35:22.460 i was saying um join us in uh less than half an hour for our churchill uh discussion which is going

01:35:28.220 to be an absolute minefield and get us all cancelled and be disastrous but anyway if you

01:35:31.180 want to see that it's half an hour cheerio

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 10, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #997

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