The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The View From the Starmerbunker

00:00:00.000 hi folks welcome back to another one of these political chats that we've been having

00:00:17.600 uh and today i thought we'd have a talk about what i'm going to call the view from the starma

00:00:22.360 bunker now the starma bunker is the term i've been using to describe the atmosphere inside

00:00:28.580 keir's cabinet i want to see a film of this called i don't know downfall something

00:00:32.960 because it does but it feels a lot like that yes you know starma like hitler is besieged on all sides

00:00:40.200 uh various enemy divisions are moving in and he doesn't know what to do and so this this is just

00:00:47.480 generally the atmosphere that comes across from the labor government they everything they put out

00:00:52.220 everything they say and do is under a real atmosphere of tension right and this this

00:00:59.080 was best exemplified for me in kia starma's new year's message now we're going to watch under

00:01:06.320 about 30 seconds of this but just pay attention to his body language i haven't seen this i'm seeing

00:01:11.260 this for the first time so this i mean he's not the world's greatest speaker anyway but when it's a bit

00:01:16.280 difficult when you haven't got a soul to communicate with other humans and and like you've got to come

00:01:21.980 away from this thinking was this really the best take they could do yeah things have been tough in

00:01:26.920 britain for a while for many life is still harder than it should be you long for a bit more money in

00:01:35.020 your pockets a meal out a holiday the chance to make a special family moment extra special

00:01:42.200 in 2026 the choices we've made will mean more people will begin to feel positive change

00:01:51.140 in your bills your communities and your health service

00:01:55.160 okay i mean the very first comment is why does this android sound like he's preaching at a funeral

00:02:02.960 yes the starma has been wheeled out but that's a great question why is he preaching at a funeral well

00:02:09.740 whose funeral is it oh it's britain's that was exactly that's and also i'm just so cynical that

00:02:17.120 i hear that and i just think he's going to make life better for more people i just think yeah but

00:02:22.480 you're talking about somalians yeah single mothers somalians and nhs workers yes great thank you

00:02:28.360 he was definitely not talking about making my life better because i'm a taxpayer obviously and the

00:02:34.440 the great thing about this is it really highlights this is a public facing talk right this is when he

00:02:39.900 thinks he's speaking to the general public millions of people in the general public are going to see

00:02:44.440 this so has he come across tense stilted robotic and out of touch with their actual concerns when he's in

00:02:52.920 his safe space when he's you know in parliament oh i'm the prime minister i've got 400 mps behind me

00:02:58.740 yes oh i'm i i'm in a position so everybody who has been to a rough school or comprehensive or

00:03:03.620 whatever knows this you you get the guy who he's meek as meek as butter uh if he's facing you alone

00:03:12.100 when he's got his mates behind him he's you know billy big balls yeah that's exactly let's watch this

00:03:16.820 can i begin by saying i hope all colleagues had a happy christmas um it probably feels quite a long

00:03:22.740 time ago um now um but not for reform of course because today is the day that they celebrate

00:03:31.220 christmas in russia yeah i mean i suppose mildly funny line which means he definitely didn't write

00:03:41.400 it he he's managed to find somebody in his office who has a slither of a soul but they keep doing this

00:03:47.100 and again it just looks like the looming terror of reform on the back benches yes so haha they're

00:03:54.780 celebrating christmas in russia on reform it's like he's about to destroy you he's about to destroy

00:04:01.020 you your legacy everything and the best you and you're billy big balls when you're in parliament

00:04:06.220 and you've got all your mates around you it's like haha you celebrate christmas in russia um but

00:04:11.020 when facing the public you're like huh i'm i'm a robot and i'm afraid of you and rightly so

00:04:15.900 everyone hates keir starmer i mean it's just actually kind of remarkable how he went from

00:04:22.380 uh if i can get the mouse to how well is keir starmer doing as prime minister the green line

00:04:27.420 is well red line is badly they started on 43 which bad which is not great but it's not terribly unusual

00:04:34.460 if if if i was 43 versus six i'd be thinking well there's everything to play for

00:04:39.740 um you know off to a bad start you know let's see if i can play my cards well

00:04:43.260 well that that that went very badly very quickly as you can see uh and now he's he's he he he was at

00:04:53.020 a peak of 76 percent negative uh but 73 percent negative uh but 15 positive has been remarkably

00:05:00.860 consistent so what was that what was that is that like something like fifth no that's um is that 68 percent

00:05:07.420 50 58 percent net negative yes has it ever been as bad i mean no since records began since records

00:05:17.740 began keir starmer is the least popular prime minister on record that's impressive uh so the fact

00:05:23.020 that he's billy big balls in parliament yeah but very uh timid when dealing with the public it's just

00:05:29.180 look man we can see the pressure you're under and you're taking refuge in that safe space that you

00:05:36.060 feel that you have dominance and security your mates around you yeah who all happen to be hr uh

00:05:41.660 caverns and who all happen to be on borrowed time well yes and that's the thing everyone knows you're on

00:05:46.860 borrowed time but there's no substance there's no foundation to anything that you're doing and so

00:05:52.220 they seem to be just doing as much as they can so let's let's get into the polls shall we uh so this

00:05:57.020 was a find out now poll from the 31st of december putting reform on 31 greens on 17 conservatives on

00:06:03.580 17 labor on 15 and that's a plus one from the 14 that remember we covered last time uh obviously

00:06:11.580 brutal labor down to 11 seats well i mean we we did say at the time that four seats was maybe a little

00:06:17.500 bit harsh yeah but i mean 11 i mean you've now got enough to play a game of football

00:06:22.220 you were playing a very small backgammon tournament and now you keep playing a game of football

00:06:33.820 i don't mean to laugh but it's it's so funny watching them get absolutely crushed

00:06:38.860 in public opinion um then you have uh this one for the times which uh not not as bad obviously and to

00:06:45.500 be honest with you i think these are more realistic ones right um so you've got here um reform getting 381

00:06:51.900 seats labor 85 seats conservative 70 seats and then who cares about the rest frame it is not that bad

00:06:57.900 it's terrible in isolation this is absolute catastrophe yeah they're losing 326 seats

00:07:04.940 i mean that's that that's probably the biggest wipeout in all of british political history

00:07:10.140 so yeah i mean unless you unless you want to go back to like whatever it was no no we we covered this

00:07:14.860 the other day it wasn't that bad oh wasn't it it was 146 seats they lost which is a lot

00:07:18.940 but right you know so even even the great wipeout of 19 whatever it was 17 18 i can't remember now

00:07:25.260 yeah that that wasn't as bad it wasn't as bad as this no right so uh you know this is just the

00:07:31.660 people returning from the first world war had a more favorable view of their government yeah um then you

00:07:38.460 you have uh this one from uh when was that one from sorry uh 2026 voted intention uh oh from more in

00:07:50.140 common right yeah and so this this is quite interesting because um this shows quite a heavy

00:07:57.100 lean towards the right so notice how the right here is 54 of the overall vote uh labor on 19 greens on 10

00:08:05.420 um well what this is telling me is that it's difficult measuring small numbers accurately

00:08:13.980 because the only number that never changes is the is the reform one that's 31 every poll that we look

00:08:19.340 at 31 31 but all the other numbers jump around because it's such a small sample size that's you

00:08:25.100 bear in mind these people they only interview between like 800 and 1600 sometimes they're well over

00:08:30.300 2000 i mean they're not okay but still 2000 it's not actually not that many it's not that big a

00:08:35.660 number when you're trying to extrapolate up to a population of 70 million or whatever number we're

00:08:39.980 on yeah and i mean it just shows that the the tail i mean this is this is the long tail is measuring

00:08:46.140 accuracy in the long tail is what they're essentially trying to do yeah um and and no wonder that second

00:08:51.580 place and third well in fact all of the places after first just jump around all over the place

00:08:56.140 because nobody has a bloody clue and that is true and this is this is one of the perennial problems

00:08:59.900 with polling in in britain but i'm sure in other places um is that honestly by methodology you get

00:09:06.700 different results um but like you said the one thing that is consistent is reformers at the top but i do

00:09:12.300 think there are um silent conservative voters that are going to come out right so a lot of people who

00:09:18.540 vote conservative are probably not actually picked up in polls very often because they're not in cities

00:09:24.540 they're not necessarily wandering around the streets or they're not answering phones or they're not on

00:09:28.780 the internet um yes these sort of you know boomers who are watching tv yeah i mean it would be a bit

00:09:35.260 embarrassing at this point it's like coming out and i don't know anything about football but um last i

00:09:40.620 checked on football manchester united was top of man city was the bottom so so it's a bit like coming

00:09:44.540 out and saying you support man city but that that might have swapped around for all i know in the last 20

00:09:49.180 years maybe maybe um here's the uh sky one so this i think is more likely to be closer uh because i

00:09:57.500 think the reform on well over 30 percent there has been and we'll get to the averages in a minute there

00:10:02.700 has been a dip in the average uh the reform have had and this is what the reform on the lower end at 26

00:10:09.820 uh conservatives at 19 labor down three on this one to 17 uh again the greens up 15 so i mean this is

00:10:18.460 something i wanted to come to the the level of reform support because okay this this one shows

00:10:24.700 a bit of a dip which is unusual but mostly it's 31 yeah yeah i remember not that long after the

00:10:31.260 election you were doing podcasts we're saying why is reform stuck at 21 and something changed and i

00:10:37.180 don't think that that 31 is actually solid reform i think 10 of that is people who just decided we

00:10:44.060 want to destroy the labor and conservative parties especially after south port i think a lot of um

00:10:50.060 reform support is essentially a protest vote uh yes the like i would say probably about half of it

00:10:56.860 i think that about 15 20 is nigel farage's sort of natural constituency well i'm fairly certain that

00:11:03.180 at least 10 of it is ethereal yeah maybe you're right maybe it's half maybe it's 15 because it's

00:11:09.020 just five percent just got there a bit earlier by saying yeah i want to destroy the conservative

00:11:12.460 party and the labor party yeah the thing that does for me though is i don't know why this is and i

00:11:17.180 need to think it through and maybe somebody in the comments can explain it who actually have thought

00:11:21.420 this through but there does appear to be a really material difference between trying to govern a country

00:11:27.980 at 30 versus 20 for some reason that that that i mean it i mean labor they're just stuck in this

00:11:35.180 quagmire they're just constantly believe um uh you know they're constantly under pressure

00:11:41.740 because they're closer to 20 rather than 30 and that seems to matter far more than say the

00:11:46.940 difference between 10 and 20 or 30 and 40 so something happens around that level that if you

00:11:52.940 don't have at least a roughly a third of the people who are going to vote it you just can't govern

00:11:59.100 you you you're just permanently on the back foot and i'm not sure why that is yet but that is

00:12:03.420 something i need to think through yeah i haven't got an immediate answer to that but it's definitely

00:12:07.900 something worth considering um but what what i find interesting though and we'll come to it in a

00:12:12.460 minute is the starmer government is doing things and they're not actually meeting that much resistance

00:12:20.380 what they're meeting with is disapproval um people aren't actually actively doing anything

00:12:25.260 against starmer they're just like really you're going to do that are you and they're like yeah

00:12:29.820 why not it's like well this is this is really souring the public's opinion on the spiritual

00:12:35.820 health of the labor party i kind of wonder if that's a bit like having a neighbor who's a bit of a

00:12:41.340 shit but he's got stage three cancer and yeah if it might be if he if he was in robust health

00:12:49.180 i didn't even think of it like that if he if he's in robust health you'd probably confront him and

00:12:56.540 you'd be like you know you're yeah you've got to knock this off yeah yeah your behavior is out of

00:13:01.100 line but you kind of look at him and you just kind of think well i can also just say nothing and wait

00:13:06.460 a little bit yeah it's only gonna be a few months yeah yeah so and yeah and this will get on some of

00:13:12.140 the things that labor have done recently it's just it's just mad and yeah so uh this is one of the

00:13:17.340 reform on the lower end but i think this is probably going to be more realistic um i think

00:13:22.540 at the moment so which which bit do you think is realistic the conservatives come second or yeah

00:13:26.940 the conservatives come second i think is fairly realistic because we've had we've had a few where

00:13:31.420 the the right-wing vote is actually pretty strong in britain again people forget that britain is

00:13:35.580 actually a right-wing country uh and this you know the the right having half of more than half of

00:13:42.380 vote here and the left even if the left was completely combined in many of these polls

00:13:47.660 still wouldn't actually have the majority of the country so i don't want to disagree yet but i do

00:13:51.500 want to probe with it yeah because you're right in basically every election ever the conservative

00:13:57.100 vote has been understated yes because people don't like it because we live in a

00:14:02.780 it's unfashionable we have lived in a media environment which is strongly left-wing yes and left-wing

00:14:09.660 harridans don't face any consequences for being left-wing harridans so the social cost of admitting

00:14:15.980 that you vote right is higher than admitting you vote left and therefore there have always been

00:14:20.940 people who who basically shy tories is what they call it why would that still exist when you can vote

00:14:29.420 reform instead what why isn't it why aren't we worried about shy reform voters well because nigel

00:14:35.180 farage is one of the most well-known political figures in the country uh 19 when there are you

00:14:40.780 go questionnaires and things that show this uh 99 percent of people know who he is and 33 percent of

00:14:46.780 people like him and 67 percent of people dislike him and the the number of people who are in the

00:14:53.100 middle who are not sure is actually about one percent something like he's polarizing okay he's a very

00:15:00.060 so maybe there's two percent shy reform but not five or six well no you know that's i don't know if

00:15:06.540 we can we can be sure of that in fact i'm going to get into that in a bit if that's all right but i

00:15:10.220 mean to be fair i don't like him but i'm still going to vote for him right and a lot of people

00:15:15.020 especially in places like wales and london are probably just gonna be like yeah okay i know who

00:15:19.740 nigel farage is but on the plus side sure he might be a pratt and maybe i don't want to go to dinner with

00:15:24.700 him but he is also reliable on brexit he's reliable against immigration he's reliable as a sort of a

00:15:32.140 free marketeer right i actually have had dinner with him down the pub and he's quite good value

00:15:36.060 with the i i don't doubt i i'm sure i personally would enjoy hanging out with him as well yes um

00:15:40.620 but the but the point is a lot of people don't like the persona that he has yes but they at least

00:15:45.900 understand him as a predictable political property right they they can understand what they're going to

00:15:50.860 get from him so i think that actually there are going to be a bunch of people who just swallow

00:15:54.060 this immediate dislike of farage and realize that i'm not gonna have to hang out with him

00:15:58.380 he's just gonna fix the economy he's just gonna you know well yeah yeah okay look again we'll get on

00:16:04.380 to what people think uh you know yes he's not necessarily the same as what he's actually going

00:16:08.620 to do but the the sort of hyper narrative around nigel farage is that he's an extreme right-wing

00:16:13.420 and remember everyone's been calling him hitler for the last three weeks all over christmas right

00:16:17.740 why isn't he support going up more yeah exactly plus three support like it's just

00:16:22.460 right i'm joking but no it no it actually happened

00:16:26.780 it really happened so

00:16:29.820 okay anyway i the it's it is possible um that there's a bump close to the elections

00:16:37.740 or farage just is a ferocious campaigner uh whether you like him or not he's an excellent campaigner

00:16:43.420 uh he knows how to pick issues and he knows how to polarize on those issues and make the most of them

00:16:48.380 so uh like we saw discussed last time i think it is possible that he is being sensible and just

00:16:53.260 keeping his powder dry i'm already in the lead i don't need to do anything extreme give my opponents

00:16:57.660 any ammunition etc etc um so as you can see from the uh recent polling that is the has a dip in reform

00:17:06.380 that leaves them 26 short of majority on this particular one uh so they would have to

00:17:12.300 form uh a coalition with the conservative party which in and of itself or everybody else would

00:17:19.900 um even then do they have enough i guess they would but they would have to have literally everyone

00:17:27.580 else you need 325 as a strict majority but the but the shin fane guys never turn up and a lot of

00:17:34.380 the northern ireland guys don't vote on some of this stuff so but also it would require the conservatives

00:17:39.180 to get in bed with the greens smp lib dems and labor yeah no actually i'm not i'm not sure i

00:17:44.060 don't know how shin fane are polling at the moment but i but i think that's a bit harsh actually saying

00:17:48.620 you need 326 because that's that's a that's a total majority including northern ireland which in

00:17:54.380 practice it doesn't you i think you could form a functional a thinly functional government at 310.

00:18:00.300 i mean possibly but you wouldn't want to no i i i think it's more likely that for us it like this i

00:18:08.620 this sounds at this current moment in time actually like quite a plausible result from the next election

00:18:14.140 yeah right like it would be nice if labor had the 400 seat wipeout yes it would be nice if knowledge got

00:18:20.220 the the stonking majority and the conservatives reduced to like 40 seats labor on 11 seats lib dems

00:18:26.060 on like 90 or whatever probably more it's going to end up more like this right but it's it's still

00:18:31.180 really difficult to opine on this stuff when second third and fourth place just jump around all over

00:18:35.740 the place so the last poll had conservative second as the official opposition and this one they're in

00:18:41.180 fourth place yes so who knows right but the but the point is this would force the conservatives into a

00:18:48.700 conservative reform coalition which honestly sounds likely it you know you could completely see that

00:18:55.180 happening in the future right well or he just identifies 30 of them and offers them to cross the

00:19:04.380 floor whatever it is you know but the point is it's you know that's the new government so anyway

00:19:10.460 moving on um labor are consistently in third place at about 17 so they're even starting to lose the nhs

00:19:17.500 workers um which but again from the governing majority you can go back to keir starmer at the beginning

00:19:23.580 in the starmer bunker addressing the public he's well aware i mean he can't possibly be

00:19:30.140 under any false impression that the public don't actually hate the labor party

00:19:34.060 and you're getting down to about well you're you're about a sixth of the electorate who will vote for

00:19:39.980 you yes which is and and more than a sixth work for the state yes so you're losing even your core

00:19:47.420 constituency here i mean he's playing destroy the labor party on nightmare mode and still achieving

00:19:51.900 it yeah and even in london you can see this is the estimate from the average of polls up until

00:19:57.660 december 2025 uh even in london reformer making gains obviously these areas are the majority or like i'm

00:20:04.540 seeing teal and blue yeah in london yeah i mean okay maybe bromley will go there are areas that are stuff

00:20:12.540 like but but still that that's it that is interesting it's atrocious isn't it you know

00:20:17.820 it's like if you're if you're labor losing 33 seats in london yeah and allowing farage to snap up 18 of

00:20:26.460 those and the greens to snap up the other 11 that's interesting so the losses that labor are making

00:20:32.460 are three times greater than the gains that the greens are making yes the greens aren't even

00:20:37.660 capitalizing in a socialist hellhole like london because remember labor were the party of the white

00:20:44.060 working class yes and have and have have basically governed on a platform of being anti-white working

00:20:51.500 class yes for some reason and so the coalition in the labor party 18 seats of it was white working

00:20:59.660 class 11 seats of it was islamo-communists uh and they're just splitting off into their constituencies

00:21:06.140 so again just so how does a great i don't know enough about the greater london assembly but how

00:21:11.340 does this function is because nobody's got enough support to do anything here or but then they're

00:21:18.380 just a check on the mayor yeah the london the london assembly isn't really uh as i understand it relevant

00:21:23.980 to what's happening here right uh they get to interrogate the mayor or what was it every week or

00:21:29.740 every month okay um so it is easier for sadiq khan to do whatever he wants

00:21:34.460 um what with the assembly well if if the assembly is split like this presumably whatever checking

00:21:41.660 functions that the assembly you know i i actually don't know what the powers of the assembly are

00:21:45.420 and sadiq khan is highly contemptuous towards the assembly and it goes to show how irrelevant this

00:21:49.580 assembly is that two political nerds like us don't have a bloody clue how it works because

00:21:53.020 we've never needed to learn no exactly it just has never factored into any political analysis i needed

00:21:57.740 to make anyway so as you can see labor everything that labor posts now and they keep posting stuff

00:22:04.940 like this on their twitter account 2026 is the year people start to feel the difference with our

00:22:09.420 labor government that feels like a threat right like this seems to be labor threatening people now

00:22:17.660 and i don't really want to feel the difference that labor's making they are i mean for example they

00:22:23.660 came up with the business rates on pubs i haven't even included in this because they do so many

00:22:27.340 things that are atrocious and rupert lowe is currently leading a crusade on behalf of small

00:22:32.140 business saying why are you destroying these things and of course the answer is well the pubs are where

00:22:37.180 revolutions are fermented right the pubs i mean this is literally where the american revolution didn't

00:22:42.060 i hear that rachel reeves is considering um some new subsidy to pubs because she's taxed them to the

00:22:47.900 point where they're going to break but they're going to break at a speed that is obvious that she's done it

00:22:53.500 so rather than reduce the tax she's now going to start subsidizing some of them i heard that but

00:22:57.580 i mean guess wait until it's until it happens but um anyway so what what exactly are they threatening us

00:23:03.660 with and what exactly do they think that they're doing like why do they think this is something the

00:23:09.340 public wants to hear from the labor party because in the starmer bunker they must have some really

00:23:14.540 weird ideas going around and the first one that came to light the other day so i've just noticed

00:23:19.900 he's actually smiling well is he smiling his eyes aren't smiling he's pulling he's pulling the sides

00:23:26.700 of his mouth up but the the eyes aren't squeezed but he's at least thinking that he does the thing

00:23:32.940 i have to try and make it look like i'm in and i've only ever seen him do that

00:23:38.220 well the one time before was when he was surrounded by a bunch of african child rapists

00:23:42.940 and i'm not trying to draw that comparison with people who work at train stations i'm just saying

00:23:49.740 nothing to do yeah yeah i'm just saying that it's he he very rarely smiles so it's notable when he does

00:23:55.340 yeah there must have been that i bet they were thrilled to get this photo but the the thing is

00:24:00.780 what what kind of ideas and what kind of mentality is coming out of the starmer bunker right and that's

00:24:06.700 staring into the void isn't it exactly the answer is absolute madness right for example david lammy

00:24:12.780 recently came out and said yes i'm on a mission from god to end jury trials

00:24:17.980 what he used those words almost word for word yeah he's on a mission from god god spoke to

00:24:25.660 no i'm a little bit okay well no no he's i'll read his exact words right so um he's basically on a

00:24:32.940 on a mission from god to a boss of magna carta which is mad um he said that his job was to save the

00:24:38.700 foundations of the criminal justice system and the tradition of juries in the face of uh crown

00:24:43.260 court backlogs of nearly 80 000 cases with delaying justice for thousands of victims like okay our

00:24:50.620 concept of justice is predicated on the magna carta it is on the jury trials article 39 of magna

00:24:58.140 carta which guarantees that no man will be imprisoned or convicted without the lawful judgment of a jury of

00:25:04.700 his peers right 800 plus years of english con the english conception of what justice entails which

00:25:13.980 then inspired almost every other legal system around the world yes this is literally the bedrock of

00:25:20.060 what justice is in this country and david lammy says what does my faith in park call me to center

00:25:26.380 it calls me center the victims of crime it calls me to center the mother in my constituency who's just

00:25:30.940 lost their son to knife crime waiting three four years for a trial and the victims falling away

00:25:35.020 the foundation for me of justice is the idea that whoever you are you deserve justice

00:25:41.900 when there is so much wrong there i've done jury twice let me finish oh go in my office i have a

00:25:47.580 photograph of martin luther king with rabbi herschel marching and campaigning together for civil rights on

00:25:52.540 behalf of groups of people i was reduced to tears in the first days of my office because i felt it was

00:25:58.140 almost god who sent that i was in the right place at the right time to complete the last bit of

00:26:03.260 negotiation oh god to get the hillsborough law that is terrible if he thinks he's he literally thinks

00:26:09.100 he's an african child soldier who thinks he's on a mission from god i mean that does not work out

00:26:13.740 well generally like i said it's it's not i'm i wasn't even over-egging it very much he literally

00:26:18.780 thinks he's on a mission from god to abolish the bank of carter is it standing in the way of justice

00:26:23.100 but it doesn't make sense on the face of it because i've done jury trial twice it is not the

00:26:26.860 jury that holds up the process the the only thing the jury does is is is 10 minutes of shuffling in

00:26:33.180 and out at the end but the argument takes as long as the argument takes to present so the only thing

00:26:38.780 that you can you can get from this is that he thinks that the state is infallible so when the

00:26:43.420 state brings a prosecution i think he thinks the defense barrister is just not even going to present

00:26:50.060 an argument because there's no point that that's the only thing that isn't going to make he's going

00:26:54.380 to make a difference on timing well he's on a mission from god so he can be certain about these

00:26:59.180 things and he's not smart enough to be certain about anything i mean i agree but does david lammy

00:27:07.420 agree when actually actually no the smarter you get the more uncertain you get about everything so

00:27:11.500 maybe maybe he is dumb enough to be certain maybe that's the way we should look you know i i

00:27:15.660 you know i think you're right on that especially if god is speaking to you he's coming to you in a

00:27:20.220 dream or something like this it's just mad absolutely mad i felt that god oh god sent that i was in the

00:27:26.860 right place at the right time it's like that is wild that that is this is not going to be good no uh

00:27:33.180 but like you were saying interesting about you were saying uh child soldiers because he literally

00:27:37.020 intends to recruit child judges to be judging this no this has to be a joke no uh david lammy has

00:27:47.660 launched a drive to encourage people as young as 18 to volunteer as magistrates to help tackle the

00:27:51.820 court crisis i don't even know are they qualified i don't i don't know what's happening here he needs

00:27:56.620 to he wants to recruit 2 000 more magistrates of every age and background so you could have some

00:28:01.740 18 year old zuma pakistani kid judging you as an englishman for your tweet your tweets

00:28:09.180 like just david lammy on a mission from god like every african warlord is an army of child soldiers

00:28:17.100 i mean given how zoomers are that could that could go very well for you sure very badly i'm sure he'll

00:28:24.060 select the bad ones well yeah they were the ones we were recruiting is he

00:28:27.980 it's mad isn't it i mean you got a link and it's in a reputable paper so i can't really accuse you of

00:28:34.940 making it up but part of my brain is not processing this this can't be real yeah uh he he they need

00:28:42.540 they've got 14 000 magistrates but to properly process these backlogs they need 20 000 so i don't

00:28:49.580 know why he's only in 2000 um but the point is they just want to recruit people again i don't know

00:28:56.220 what kind of training they're gonna have i don't know what i mean do we have that many magistrates

00:29:00.780 young magistrates coming up i don't i've no idea right well to the best of my understanding the

00:29:04.380 way it works with magistrates is three lay people sit there and then they've got a bureaucrat who

00:29:08.300 tells them what to do and they basically just do whatever the bureaucrat says so it's it's basically

00:29:13.260 direct um mandarin control unless you've got at least two magistrates on the same magistrate panel

00:29:20.540 who are independent minded enough to think around the bureaucrat which they usually don't

00:29:25.820 because you're not an expert in all this i mean these are just volunteers i mean he says

00:29:29.260 magistrates are everyday heroes we need more people of every age and background to volunteer

00:29:33.420 not just to deliver justice but to serve and represent their local communities volunteering

00:29:37.260 to become a magistrate can make a real difference in your life and the lives of others that's why i'm

00:29:40.620 calling on the public to apply so right so he's recruiting an unskilled army of child soldiers to

00:29:45.980 get around the fact that they've abolished jury trials to deliver justice to a bunch of people

00:29:52.860 who are on the backlog so presumably you know when you've been tweeting anyway on the other hand so

00:29:57.420 that's that's david lammy who appears can i just really say i would solve this problem by building a

00:30:01.660 lot more prisons and then you wouldn't have to retry people every couple of years yes and just

00:30:06.620 deporting a lot of people yeah and that yeah um but anyway so that's that's david lammy he's on a mission

00:30:12.140 from god to ruin the country legally uh and starmer is uh determined to hand back powers to the eu

00:30:19.180 so one of the one of the complaints that the remain types had were like look if you come out of the

00:30:24.540 eu then you don't have any internal negotiating power to set the standards of the eu so if you want

00:30:30.860 to trade with the eu you're gonna have to match their standards whether you like it or not and kirsten

00:30:34.300 was like great why don't we just put that into law that whatever the eu detect dictates as

00:30:39.100 a standard we just are harmonized with and so eu law just applies to our country

00:30:44.300 regardless of what happens it's like right so that's the complete undermining and overturning

00:30:47.900 of brexit what's the what's the bloody point of brexit then i mean i suppose that's that would

00:30:51.500 have been his position he was obviously an arch remainer you know obviously uh and so this is

00:30:56.460 going to put us into dynamic alignment with the eu under kirsten was reset with brussels so it's

00:31:01.740 basically just giving our country away well i don't want to hear anyone the reason this matters is

00:31:07.900 because each individual firm has a decision as to whether they want to sell into europe or not

00:31:12.940 exactly what if i don't want to sell into europe and market pressures would put pressures on the

00:31:16.620 europeans to change their standards or to change the way they do at a certain incentives i mean i mean

00:31:21.580 actually it's it's not it's not the europeans but the americans have done this the americans have made

00:31:25.900 in financial services doing business within an american citizen so bloody difficult that what most uk

00:31:32.940 financial firms will do is they just say i'm not taking american clients because because the

00:31:36.940 regulatory burden from the americans is just too high that can happen with and that probably already

00:31:42.220 does happen with products you just think it's just not worth selling into europe and if if if

00:31:46.460 you want to embargo itself with an impossible regulatory standard let them do it but don't

00:31:51.580 subjugate us to that on the off chance that a business three doors down occasionally sells something to belgium

00:31:57.660 and but moreover what he's trying to do is remove our autonomy yes our ability to negotiate these

00:32:05.900 things on a one-to-one basis or have any bargaining power whatsoever and it's like okay why would we

00:32:12.860 want that like we could we could still agree to a certain regulatory alignment with the eu if we

00:32:20.060 wanted but that could be done on an ad hoc you know uh at basis where it's advantageous to us

00:32:26.620 rather than being locked into it you know what this is this is this is um king baratheon he's just been

00:32:33.820 gouged by a boar and he's looking at his successor thinking i don't trust this guy to run the place so

00:32:39.660 he points his friend ned stark to do the governing for him in his in his dying breaths yeah that that's what

00:32:45.660 he's doing he's he's looking at nigel farage and going yeah i want to hand over every strap of power

00:32:51.900 to anybody else who is my friend and that's i mean like there are so many things that starmer and his

00:32:59.420 government are doing i'm just so you know we're summarizing a lot of this like nigel farage is

00:33:04.220 obviously going to save the pubs right yes he's obviously going to abolish the or massively reduce

00:33:10.780 the business rates that labor are hiking up on the pubs to save the pubs right again it

00:33:15.260 nigel farage has got many flaws but having a pint is not one of them right he's sound on that one

00:33:21.260 yeah exactly we can be pretty sure and when it comes to being under the heel of the european union

00:33:28.380 we can be pretty sure that nigel farage can be like we're not having that yes right so again like

00:33:33.500 he's not he's not perfect but there are some things on which he's been very consistent yeah but even

00:33:38.540 we've reached a stage in politics where being a bit shit is still a massive massive

00:33:43.260 improvement it'd be amazing if it was just a bit shit um so yeah this this all feels like hail mary

00:33:50.780 stuff right yes it's it they when he faces the public he knows the public hates him when they're

00:33:57.100 doing all of this stuff they know that the public hates it and they also know that mr brexit is coming

00:34:05.420 they know that mr brexit is the next guy in line so doing all of this stuff it just feels like um

00:34:13.340 honestly it feels like hitler being like right move you know these panzer divisions to intercept the

00:34:18.380 russians and his assistants say well they don't exist sir you know they those things have been

00:34:23.260 destroyed and hitler going mad in his bunker i don't know it it feels it feels worse than that it

00:34:28.620 it feels like a retreating worse than that yeah no it feels to me like and and this is is more

00:34:34.700 sort of an antiquity antiquity thing that you'd probably be more familiar with but retreating

00:34:39.220 armies salting their own fields and poisoning their own wells as they retreat oh you know the thing is

00:34:44.680 though that that's a that that's a strategy that makes sense right because you're starving out the

00:34:49.560 enemy right that that you're preventing them from getting resources and food and uh sucker um but this

00:34:55.740 it doesn't even feel like that because nothing that he does here couldn't be undone with the

00:35:00.180 stroke of a pen right like nigel farage could just come in and be like no that's gone still slows him

00:35:05.360 down though maybe but it'll be a day it'll be a very very small road bump you know you oh yeah like

00:35:11.480 it wouldn't it wouldn't be very difficult for nigel farage to get this through i think

00:35:16.480 and i mean maybe maybe you are right that he's he's trying to do all this but to me it just screams

00:35:22.840 desperation i'm i'm clinging on to power i know everyone hates me and there's no physical way

00:35:31.580 they can remove me so i'm just going to do everything i can just throw stuff out there just

00:35:37.040 desperate like you know this extending the uh the the child benefits cap so the just before christmas

00:35:45.180 all of the uh single mothers with 12 children were like oh yeah this is going to really help our

00:35:50.180 christmas like yeah i bet it is you know it's it's costing everyone else a thousand eight hundred

00:35:54.540 pounds a year but it's making your life better because you're making 6k a month or 10k a month

00:35:59.640 or whatever it is like this ridiculous nonsense that obviously isn't going to last i think keir

00:36:04.880 starmer in this kind of fit of delusion in the summer bunker it's like yeah no we can say we made

00:36:09.820 that happen guys we did it we brought john lennon's imagine into reality i mean that that's a nicer

00:36:15.080 framing than what i use which is which is that he's basically just decided he's got two priorities

00:36:19.800 one is to do every spiteful socialist thing that he can do for the next three years

00:36:26.080 and two make sure that he keeps those three years by appeasing labor backbenchers yes well let's

00:36:32.780 actually those two overlap anyway so let's move on to that because recently he did an interview with

00:36:36.460 laura kussenberg uh the bbc uh in which as you can see keir starmer tells the bbc he'll be prime

00:36:42.200 minister in 2027 uh as in he thinks he's going to last out this year he i guess they're going to

00:36:48.600 delay all the may elections sufficiently so it's not a labor wipeout yeah well yes i mean again who

00:36:54.480 knows if that will actually happen or not but that's clearly the plan and he's he he just flatly intends

00:37:00.880 to just not give up power he is not going to accept the faults and failures of his government he's not

00:37:09.520 going to accept that he is not what the public are after he's not going to accept he doesn't really

00:37:13.600 have a mandate to rule and he's just going to legalistically say well you can't physically

00:37:18.280 remove me so i'm going to cling on no matter what well yes that's literally what he says uh i mean

00:37:27.460 two minutes in in fact let's watch this it's really funny really really funny two minutes in

00:37:32.580 welcome to 2026 i will be sitting in this seat by 2027 and if this long form interview works we can

00:37:40.120 try it again in january of next year as well in september we had a bit of a similar conversation

00:37:46.160 you said look i just need the space to do the job give me time you'll show people and since then

00:37:52.080 actually your ratings have got worse more of your plans had to be ditched by your political decision

00:37:57.620 making even at the role variety performance someone impersonating you was booed now by many

00:38:02.460 measures you are historically unpopular even more unpopular than liz truss do you acknowledge that at

00:38:08.760 the beginning of this year look i'm not surprised that people are frustrated i completely get that

00:38:16.140 um the truth is since the crash in 08 most people haven't seen their living standards improved

00:38:25.060 they haven't seen their public services move in the right direction they've seen them move in the

00:38:29.240 wrong direction and they've lost trust in politics so when we went to the electorate

00:38:34.380 in 2024 saying uh our manifesto pledge is change many people said yes i want that change i'm fed up

00:38:44.700 but then what happened um is that people wanted the change to come more quickly i actually really

00:38:51.360 understand that because if for example you were 30 uh let's say by way of example in 2008 when the 08

00:38:59.220 crash you've waited you're now 47 and you will feel well a good chunk of my life has gone without

00:39:04.980 things getting better if you were perhaps 50 you would be near retirement now you'd say i want things

00:39:11.160 to happen more quickly so i actually do understand the frustration you can see that she's trying to

00:39:15.760 interrupt say yes yes prime minister but that is delusional nonsense and everyone hates you you

00:39:20.980 know i really like the bit where it cut to him while she was just listing his faults that felt like a

00:39:26.520 90s comedy sketch it did didn't it very much and it like this again something about this that screams

00:39:32.800 the office to me like this kind of you know my um what's the guy's name in the office david brent

00:39:37.820 that kind of oh yeah bumbling uh incompetence and the fact that she's just trying to politely say yes

00:39:43.140 but everyone hates you and you should leave yes you should leave anyway towards the end all he was

00:39:48.180 talking about there was managed decline yeah yeah absolutely and uh and the fact you know people are

00:39:53.500 going to feel what the changes the labor government are going to bring in it's like you can see she's

00:39:57.120 wincing like if that's the problem you know nobody wants the changes that you're bringing but it did

00:40:02.180 speak to me about if you were 30 in 2008 you're now 47 and you've just watched things get worse and i'm

00:40:07.080 like yeah but you're just all you're promising me is that you're going to make things worse for the

00:40:12.420 next 30 years yeah i mean that's literally me i was about that in 2008 i'm about that now yes and

00:40:17.980 all i've seen is it getting worse and all you're doing is more of the same to make it worse and so

00:40:24.020 yeah you're right here yeah i do agree with that but you're the problem you fool um anyway what is it

00:40:30.460 and he's not proposing a single thing different that hasn't already been tried since 2008 all it is

00:40:35.300 is let's make money cheaper put debt up and spend more on welfare that's that's all they've done

00:40:41.080 correct um anyway towards the end uh we get uh the question of leadership challenges let's uh let's

00:40:47.080 jump in about here if there was a leadership challenge to you after may that you would walk

00:40:54.820 away or would you fight it under any circumstances well laura under the last government we saw constant

00:41:04.200 chopping and changing of leadership of teams it caused utter chaos utter chaos and it's uh amongst

00:41:12.640 the reasons that the tores were booted out so uh effectively at the last election nobody but nobody

00:41:20.500 wants to go back to that it's not in our national interest uh we know from that evidence uh what

00:41:29.200 happens if you go down that chaotic path there have also been many many criticisms of you and you're

00:41:34.760 chopping and changing and ditching policies and you turning on things and having all sorts of different

00:41:39.500 strategies that never quite seem to stick and it's been fascinating listening to you at length today

00:41:45.020 you seem pretty calm you seem pretty confident maybe to some people's ears you might sound a bit

00:41:51.760 complacent no delusional delusional like you were about to wipe your party out the country hates you

00:42:01.760 nobody wants what you're offering and it's causing more of the same problems and nor could she's a she's

00:42:07.660 a left i mean she's i mean even by the standards of the bbc she's a proper lefty and she's an establishment

00:42:12.920 creature like she doubtless has voted labor her whole oh i don't doubt it yeah her whole life

00:42:19.160 and she's interviewing this late prime minister who seems and you can see it on her face where

00:42:23.500 she's just like okay this guy yeah is not in touch with reality like your party is going to crater

00:42:29.040 everyone hates you and you will never be elected again this is probably the last labor government

00:42:32.780 that's ever going to exist and kia starmer is just deranged saying no there won't be any leadership

00:42:37.460 challenges i will not give up power i mean i mean she's she's not really talking to me in a

00:42:41.980 fundamentally different way to the way that a mother speaks to a six-year-old who's just announced

00:42:46.640 they want to be an astronaut except that she's she's actually being uh more conciliatory actually

00:42:52.400 yes you know like you know well maybe you can son maybe she she's not even giving him that you

00:42:58.320 know she's just like yeah okay all right you know embarrassing i think what we need

00:43:06.480 is an ac-30 gunship a few helicopters a delta team and a black bag over the head i mean that

00:43:13.640 that is basically the the only way that he's going to get any public sympathy um it's kind of mad

00:43:21.240 it's kind of mad how like i said he just i noticed that when she asks a direct question

00:43:26.900 uh he should ask answer it directly but instead he starts waffling around the question

00:43:31.720 he doesn't address well are there going to be any leadership challenges well we don't want tory

00:43:35.960 chaos it's like yeah okay but we're not looking at tory chaos what we're looking at is the most

00:43:41.300 hated prime minister in history who's overstayed his welcome and everyone's wondering when he's

00:43:45.780 going to leave i can i can kind of see what he's trying to do what he what he tried to do there a

00:43:49.940 couple of times was the blair move yes and the blair move is yes i understand your concerns and he

00:43:55.500 says it in a reasonable voice and then he moves on and he smoothly pivots the problem is you need

00:44:00.280 at least a seven or eight in your politics stat in order to do that and he's got a three also you

00:44:06.340 need at least some kind of constituency that cares about your government yes right like tony blair

00:44:12.240 you know probably never went below about 35 36 percent in the polls and that's the thing i said

00:44:16.720 there is something fundamentally different between 30 and 20 i don't know what it what happens there but

00:44:21.840 you just can't govern once you go below i don't know why i i agree like tony blair was never at 17

00:44:28.240 in the polls you know he was never at like 13 approval rating yes you know he was never minus

00:44:34.900 58 underwater and as soon as soon as he realized he was going below 30 it was like yeah gordon brown

00:44:39.880 it's all yours off you go yeah yeah yeah not my problem now right and so kirstama just he seems

00:44:45.900 completely delusional about what they're doing and i mean rachel reeves with the budget she knows

00:44:53.180 there's nowhere to go the only person who doesn't seem that delusional is actually shibana mahoud

00:44:57.380 who is like screw these foreigners yeah sorry no we're going to deport them we're going to just

00:45:02.060 start you know yeah like we're just going to start doing the far right stuff because it has to be

00:45:06.700 done she's the only person but they will not make her leader because labor does not put women or

00:45:11.860 browns in the leadership position that's exactly right they only have straight white men i mean like

00:45:15.680 well hang on what you use one extra word oh straight yes well i mean purportedly they're

00:45:25.120 straight white men public he's married so he's married he's got kids but like you know you've

00:45:30.300 got jess phillips with the uh the the rape gang quarry that makes her look delusional she's like oh

00:45:35.000 it's it's just all sexual assault ever she's she's mad david lammy on a mission from god to destroy

00:45:39.820 the british justice system yeah okay mad uh have child soldiers soldiers yeah yeah rachel reeves thinking

00:45:45.220 that she can pull the economy back mad um kia starmer literally like hit her in the bunker

00:45:50.700 moving around phantom divisions um the the labor government is just insane and so yeah and seem to

00:45:57.660 be completely incapable of addressing the real issues of the country right they seem completely incapable

00:46:06.220 of accepting their own position and accepting what actually will be the next issue the the next

00:46:14.360 battlefield on which all of this is fought but the thing is kia starmer keeps saying this this is a

00:46:20.220 clip from this interview i'm just going to pull out um kia starmer does keep saying this as in

00:46:25.760 somewhere underneath all of the cope the layers of cope that kia starmer and his government currently

00:46:32.920 live under they do understand that something has gone terribly wrong with our own sense of self

00:46:40.040 and this came out in the island of strangers speech that he disavowed afterwards obviously i

00:46:46.500 didn't the one good speech he ever made i didn't mean to tell you the truth and sound like enoch pal

00:46:52.060 um and in here this has gone kind of under the radar recently but i think this is actually very very

00:46:58.260 interesting you seem very cheerful and some people might be almost surprised that you're optimistic

00:47:03.320 because you've had a very torrid time i mean i thought your resolution might be that you're still

00:47:07.500 sitting in that seat by 2027 well i will be sitting in this seat by 2027 and if this long form interview

00:47:13.560 works we can try it again in january of next year as well but you know and everyone watching knows that

00:47:19.780 there are even some people on your own side who think 2026 might have to be the end some of them

00:47:25.560 want you out how are you going to stop that happening well i think what's really important is that we

00:47:30.580 are clear about what we have achieved already and there's a huge amount that we've achieved

00:47:36.240 in terms of the economy wages have gone up more quickly in the first year under this government

00:47:42.520 than in the first 10 years under the previous government inflation is coming down and the bank

00:47:49.500 of england are clear that it's on track to meet target by a spring or summer of this year we've had

00:47:55.160 six interest rate cuts in a row so it's now dropping at a rate which is the highest pace of drop

00:48:00.500 for 17 years since the crash in fact and of course the imf are clear that we had the second or likely

00:48:07.640 to have the second highest growth in the g7 in 2025 on top of that obviously we've done a lot of work

00:48:14.520 on education on free school meals on breakfast clubs towering down on child poverty so there's a huge

00:48:21.920 amount that's been done and uh just as a quick pause there isn't that a damning indictment of

00:48:26.640 the uh the rest of the g7 if we're the ones with the highest growth yeah i mean i'm a recession in

00:48:33.200 the last quarter i might pinch that clip for brokonomics and just take apart every single

00:48:38.920 claim in there i mean just just just the absolute cliff notes i mean okay fine wages might have risen

00:48:43.900 but so have taxes and so your take home pay has gone down it's inflation the bit about inflation

00:48:48.900 going yeah inflation and and actually he says inflation has gone down what what he means by

00:48:52.760 that is it's still going up but the rate of but the rate of decline has petered off and because it's

00:48:57.620 a compounding function it has to do that otherwise basically money becomes infinite very quickly and

00:49:04.520 it would only matter if it had been deflationary yes that was what he's what he's implying is that

00:49:09.840 we've had a deflationary effect no making you think the price level has come down it hasn't it's gone

00:49:14.680 exactly exactly and so like all of this deranged it's delusional it's a lie i mean i could i could

00:49:21.180 pick apart every single element of that yes and i i knew you would be able to like it's so obvious

00:49:28.420 that he's just not living in the real world no but then he comes to this bit and this bit is what i

00:49:33.020 think is genuinely interesting but sorry no notice how this wasn't the same clip as before i i actually

00:49:37.820 thought this was the same yeah i thought when you started it i forgot oh hang on this is different

00:49:42.640 she just brings up the same point over and over because she's trying to get look and he gave the

00:49:46.260 same stock answer i know he gave a different stock answer oh did he yeah well it's he he talks around

00:49:51.320 in different ways no he he said i think i'll still be sat here in oh yeah yeah we'll be doing this so

00:49:56.100 so that element was the same stock answer yeah yeah of course he he's he's got this conviction

00:50:01.460 presumably from god yeah uh that he's going to be the prime minister in 27 and the thing is maybe he

00:50:06.620 will be maybe the labor party god yes are just going to be so stupid it's like yeah no we're just

00:50:10.800 lemmings off the cliff we don't care well the option the other option is ed miller band so

00:50:15.320 there's that i guess you know like but maybe they've come to peace with it maybe they're like

00:50:20.680 yeah no we are going to just hit the cliff and just keep going and that'll be it that's the end

00:50:25.160 of the labor party we're the last and we accept it um but anyway yeah like so you can you can see

00:50:30.600 her trying to get him on to the point of come on guys you know this this isn't really reflecting

00:50:36.380 reality but then he comes out with this uh that leaves out of account the cut to nhs waiting list

00:50:42.540 gone down by 300 000 5 million extra appointments and so people are always focusing as happens in

00:50:48.960 politics on um other things that might have happened but actually if you look at what's

00:50:54.120 already happened we've got a lot to be very proud of i'm really pleased as we turn into 2026

00:50:59.760 some of the things we're legislating for that take time will now come on stream in 2026 and that's

00:51:06.260 why um i am looking forward to 2026 i think i've got the wrong link here all the same that's

00:51:13.040 interesting i i i didn't even listen to that when i just watched the body language and if you just got

00:51:18.560 ai and got them to keep everything exactly the same except put him in in pajamas you'd be watching

00:51:25.240 a very patient healthcare worker speaking with a man with dementia yes and she's like trying not

00:51:31.720 to upset him but at the same time she doesn't want to let him dive into his delusions any further

00:51:36.640 yeah uh sorry it was this clip i wanted to talk about right but actually no i'm i'm glad we brought

00:51:42.120 that up because you are right like she's constantly trying to politely interrupt say okay you're not

00:51:47.000 you're not addressing the point that i'm trying to bring up which is you're terminal yeah your government

00:51:53.200 is terminal and you you need to think about making arrangements yeah writing a will you know you

00:52:00.080 need to think about you need to do some planning here you need you need to you need to you need to

00:52:04.600 make amends of any loved ones that you've got a you know crossword against you know yeah and and he

00:52:10.260 just doesn't want to accept it he's like no i'm fine yeah no the economy is great look at all the

00:52:14.160 great things we're legislating for that people are going to be thrilled about it's like nobody wants

00:52:17.860 digital id care nobody wants the abolition of jury trials nobody wants a realignment with the

00:52:22.900 eu so with the a vassal of the eu nobody asked for any of these things kia but anyway so he um

00:52:29.720 he he talks about this this is the this is like the one thing that i think he has some sense of

00:52:35.640 correctness on but even then he ends up on exactly the wrong side of the issue the next election

00:52:42.060 is going to be unlike any election we've seen um in this country for a very very long time that's

00:52:48.560 because my strong view is it'll be a labor government up against um a very right-wing

00:52:55.380 proposition in reform and that um reform uh proposition um will be a proposition of toxic

00:53:04.000 divide of this country the next election is going to be about a question of what is it to be british

00:53:09.800 and i believe to be british is to be um compassionate reasonable uh live and let live and diverse

00:53:17.200 and i am proud to serve our diverse country and all of its part it is british to be diverse

00:53:24.640 um and that is the essence of britishness that will be challenged at the next election

00:53:30.100 by reform and this country if reform wins will be torn apart um in a toxic way and my strong sense of

00:53:39.420 history tells me um that if a right-wing proposition like that gets in with that toxic divide

00:53:44.660 and things don't go the way they pretend they will and they won't they will move to the right to the

00:53:50.900 right to the right i mean god willing

00:53:53.740 they should have ended that well and here ends a party political broadcast by the reform party

00:54:03.060 sponsored by nigel farage i were running the reform party that's what i would do

00:54:07.580 but so i mean like this this just it very interesting right so the uh the idea that the

00:54:15.700 very right-wing proposition in reform yes i mean i'm not sees yeah i would love that to be the case

00:54:23.380 but uh well for once in my life i want to get a vote for a right-wing party which is the right-wing

00:54:28.840 party that lives in the imagination of lefties exactly right like they they've been calling nigel

00:54:33.540 farage hitler they have been uh you know saying you know it's going to be a proposition of a toxic

00:54:39.520 divide and meanwhile nigel farage is like hey here's the next mayor of london she's a muslim

00:54:46.560 now i like i don't dislike lalia cunningham at all she's very clever very smart to be fair

00:54:52.640 you have to be a muslim to win in london because we have crossed the divide well london's only 30

00:54:58.580 muslim right yeah but they vote as a block and nobody else does well well i mean as we saw from

00:55:04.480 the london thing earlier actually um where is it actually you say that yeah that's a fair point

00:55:12.100 right but a lot of minorities in london are not necessarily committed to the labour party

00:55:16.800 yeah or to islam i mean the reason sadi khan wins because he gets 30 plus whatever you would

00:55:22.500 normally get exactly because there's a big split of parties that could be right it doesn't it doesn't

00:55:27.080 have to be that way no and so i mean the other thing i've got to pick up on is his statement that

00:55:32.540 to be british is diverse well we'll get to that in a second okay because this is the thing like you

00:55:36.720 know um you know zia yusuf lalia cunningham like these are the the two current stars of the reform

00:55:42.000 party and they're both muslims now i'm i'm there are a lot of people online who are very hard line

00:55:46.420 about this like no no muslims ever and i'm like okay but being practical yes actually like zia yusuf

00:55:53.920 has been quite right wing recently and he's been quite native on on paper he's the soundest of all

00:55:59.960 of them yeah and but lalia cunningham has also been really good in various interviews and panel

00:56:04.960 shows she's been on right so i can see from nigel farage's position why he's employing these people

00:56:10.440 as uh lieutenants in the the mission well that's because he sacks everybody who's white and based

00:56:16.360 that's correct that at the moment he's currently asking dr chris parry to resign or to apologize

00:56:23.160 uh dr chris parry former rear admiral um i think he was the guy who he did a bunch of military stuff

00:56:29.760 that's currently all over twitter um but the point is he's he's exactly the kind of venerable british

00:56:36.140 military man yeah who i mean like you know comes back and has a significant place in british politics

00:56:43.360 parliament used to be full of guys like that yes you know literally like a sort of uh wellington type

00:56:48.980 right uh parliament used to be full of guys like this and after david lammy was like we you know we

00:56:55.340 the caribbean career uh community need reparations he was like why don't you just go home then and

00:57:00.040 nigel farage like the only correct answer nigel farage immediately hates it he literally came out

00:57:08.380 i was like well he should apologize for that it's like oh but david lammy is literally on a mission

00:57:12.860 from god to abolish jury trials nile nigel he wants you to pay him trillions of pounds maybe david should

00:57:18.620 go home you know maybe we're sick of it um nigel nigel nigel but you can see that nigel is just again

00:57:25.860 not the right winger that they think he is and it's just like yeah i'll just you know send these

00:57:30.540 guys and like i said they are clever and doing a good job so and i don't i don't think there is

00:57:35.960 extremists uh or anything like that um but i can see the argument on the other side which is well

00:57:41.920 why can't we have native representation why do we have to have well because nigel sacks them

00:57:46.820 immediately exactly but why is the political environment so that a white british person can

00:57:52.520 only advocate for foreign interests or they get sacked if they want to advocate for native only

00:57:57.420 truth regime i guess tim stanley tweeted out the other day and you know got completely destroyed on

00:58:03.380 this saying um well oh you know i i've been saying for a long time that you know white people may

00:58:09.060 have failed but social conservatism will be brought back in by like kemi badenok and lalia kind of him

00:58:13.820 and it's like okay but that's only because we're not allowed it's you know it's only because you

00:58:18.260 have have been part of the castle remember we sat with ash sarkar all nodding their head and

00:58:22.380 agreeing because they're both basically communists there was that guy and you know he's like an insane

00:58:27.020 simp for kemi badenok and it's like yeah but that's because you just call everyone who does that if

00:58:32.260 they're white a racist yes you know and it's literally you know so that now even the immigrants

00:58:37.540 are like no we need some conservatism you can't have this nonsense you know and so that's been

00:58:41.620 brought in but anyway so yeah get getting to um his statement here the diverse bit yeah yeah

00:58:46.920 there you go yeah all of its parts it is british to be diverse i mean a divergent literally means to

00:58:53.560 to stop being a thing and be something else yes that's literally what it means so so what he's

00:58:58.460 saying is to be british is to be is to not be british well what i what i love about this

00:59:03.440 it is british to be diverse so lebanon is now british pakistan is british that's true all of

00:59:09.940 different tribes india couldn't be more british like there are something how many there's like

00:59:14.440 2 000 languages ethnic groups in india something like that it's mad if if there is life forms on

00:59:19.620 proximate and true of b they're british yeah exactly it's like this is a preposterous statement

00:59:26.140 like it's genuine again the delusion and you can see the tension in his face here when he's saying

00:59:31.480 this right he really means this like this he he's very concerned that nigel farage will come out and

00:59:37.340 say england is for the english britain is for the native british and that means that the rest of them

00:59:43.940 will go home he's worried about this this is what's on in his mind here because what he's saying

00:59:48.580 if if you're not diverse you're not british so britain prior to 1948 was not british no not at all

00:59:57.180 because the wind nothing nothing britain about britain for the last 2 000 years

01:00:01.940 well it started being british when hms wind rush arrived that is literally what he's saying with this

01:00:09.720 literally what he's saying britain isn't britain if there aren't foreigners around and it's like

01:00:15.060 right you're mad right yes you're you are right that the next next election will be a question of

01:00:20.980 identity because we're going to make it a question of identity like the online right are going to make

01:00:26.500 it a question of identity and you will have to commit and keir starmer has committed to the worst

01:00:31.160 interpretation of the wrong side of the argument right like there are softer interpretations on the

01:00:36.320 wrong side of the argument it's like well i mean you have the british empire so you did always have

01:00:40.900 this kind of fuzzy border to britishness that included non-native british people and so you know

01:00:47.320 this this it is something that is up for question because someone's like no it's the brown foreigners

01:00:52.920 who are really british because they're diverse and the white english and native people are not diverse

01:00:59.200 and so they are not the british the difference is is that we've been thinking about these issues and how

01:01:04.280 to frame these issues for at least 20 years yes he started thinking about these issues in the summer

01:01:09.640 of 2024 yes when axel rudy cabana walked into that dance studio that that was the first time he'd ever

01:01:16.520 tried to formulate an argument and there is no intellectual depth on the left at all to even

01:01:22.440 have the to even frame the conversation right if we have a discussion on this territory i mean we just

01:01:30.460 we can't we can't not win it's it's it's it's it's a jedi master versus a padawan yes and so he is

01:01:37.100 looking into the face of his impending destruction and basically realizing i'm going to commit to the

01:01:43.940 orthodoxy even though the orthodoxy is the thing that will get me destroyed right i can't i i've literally

01:01:49.820 come out here and say said that to be british is to be a foreigner you can't be british unless you have

01:01:58.200 foreigners around so there are all manner of like you know tiny villages all along the sort of north

01:02:02.840 and southwest and in wales and in scotland they don't have a single foreigner in them so they're not

01:02:07.080 british i mean it is the meme of looking at a beautiful bit of countryside and thinking

01:02:11.560 this needs been on bermalians it's not it's not british until it gets the bermalians yes

01:02:15.720 that's that it is british to be diverse is the most mental statement as if the british don't like

01:02:22.680 what is he even using to the word british to mean the do the british exist prior to diversity no

01:02:28.840 because to be diverse is to be british like it's mad that he would say something else and this is

01:02:34.760 weird paradoxical logic here the thing can only be a thing when it ceases to be a thing yes

01:02:41.560 i'm gonna have to get i'm gonna have to speak to chat gpt to get me through the logic on that one

01:02:45.160 because it's it's so it's nonsense inside out well there's there's a lot of philosophical thought on

01:02:50.600 the uh sort of question and law of identity and kiss armor is jets and all of it they say no the

01:02:56.600 the thing is not the identical to itself actually the thing is identical to other things so it

01:03:03.080 violates the law of identity but the the but karl pilkington could get this of course because

01:03:09.000 kirstama is ideologically committed this is the midwit meme in in action it's i don't even i mean it

01:03:15.160 is but like it's more than that it's he is committed to having an infinite number of foreigners in the

01:03:20.920 country right he can't conceive of a britain even though he grew up in it yes that isn't overwhelmingly

01:03:27.560 flooded by foreigners that's your brain on marxism yeah yeah completely and he's he's completely committed

01:03:33.640 to the idea of going and even questioning do we need so many foreigners i mean that would be like

01:03:39.320 literally be saying well should we be making britain less british like to him like for us

01:03:45.000 introducing more foreigners is making britain less british but for him is making it more british

01:03:50.280 and so we want diametrically opposed things and he will fight tooth and nail which is why he is so

01:03:55.240 reluctant to give up power to what he considers is nazi nigel farage which is obviously not true anyway

01:04:01.320 but he's deranged he is a man who is not in touch with reality i hope he lives to see

01:04:07.480 one of our guys really our guy has come to power well we're gonna keep going right and right and right

01:04:17.880 i am to mesence in my anticipation we'll leave that there

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 08, 2026

The View From the Starmerbunker

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