Comedian and actress Roseanne Fyre joins me to discuss her new book, The Parasitic Mind, and why you should be kinder to animals, because they are not stuck in the Matrix, and are capable of thinking outside the box.
00:26:38.080I want to go into this next subject because I'm like, the only hope we have in this world,
00:26:41.340what we have in this world, for all of us who are critical thinkers and love actual history,
00:26:47.780history, not fake rewritten history by, you know, whatever they are that went to them colleges that just accept bullshit as fact, which that is something beyond suicidal empathy.
00:27:06.220I just say it's an addiction to bullshit.
00:27:08.660They'd rather have their bullshit like heroin every day and they put it above the lives of their own children.
00:27:14.220Their addiction to bullshit is such that it's just demonic.
00:27:20.220But the question is, why are they susceptible to the bullshit?
00:27:23.220And I think it's because, going back to suicidal empathy, because they have been taught that the Jew, so if we're going to talk about that region, the Jew is always the oppressed oppressor.
00:27:40.220So I'll tell you a great story, by the way.
00:27:41.660And I actually, I mentioned that, well, I discussed it in my forthcoming book and I discussed it a few days ago when Douglas Murray came on my show.
00:28:11.660These are the British grooming gangs, which are almost exclusively Pakistani Muslim men.
00:28:19.660And so I said, so I put this photo and their names were listed.
00:28:24.660So it's, you know, Muhammad this, Ahmad this, Hussain that.
00:28:28.660And so sarcastically, and I know that you're a very sarcastic person, so you'll appreciate this.
00:28:33.660I said, you know, I'm not smart enough to know what is the common theme across Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad.
00:28:46.660Now, without missing a beat, I receive a torrent of responses, not sarcastic responses, not facetious responses, where people said, yes, you know who's to blame for those grooming gangs?
00:29:49.660The Muslim Brotherhood in Qatar and all their money that they launder through Switzerland to come up with their NGOs to brainwash Americans from owning all the media from, you know, maybe making ABC fire me because I said Muslim Brotherhood to, you know, everything else in America to all everything.
00:31:56.660And then all of my idiotic colleagues, and they're called professors, don't side with the Trump administration to get rid of this cancerous guy.
00:32:24.660They give this country about maybe 10,000 times more money to influence, to buy influence than AIPAC could ever dream of.
00:32:35.660And all they do is AIPAC, AIPAC, AIPAC like parrots, because they don't want, and all the Jews that they say, oh, see the Jews, the Jews, all of them are working for the frigging Muslim Brotherhood media cartel.
00:36:15.660So you mean the course that you and I took together at Oberlin about Islamic history where the Muslim countries were terribly loving and revered the Jews.
00:36:30.660In fact, when, you know, Hitler admired them so much because they're they Jews were the yellow star in the Middle Ages to walk down the street.
00:36:42.660They had to walk in the middle of the street where the sewage ran.
00:36:45.660They weren't allowed up on the sidewalk because they weren't chosen.
00:37:56.660And so so imagine how so every time the West engages in generosity, compassion, hospitality, what their mind is seeing weakness, weakness, weakness.
00:38:12.660So this is what I call a lack of a cultural theory of mind.
00:38:16.660Remember earlier I talked about theory of mind, which is I need to put myself in your mind to be able to have a meaningful conversation while the West doesn't have cultural theory of mind, meaning that they presume that the noble virtues that they express to the other will be fully appreciated and reciprocated.
00:38:36.660But that's not how it's viewed by the by the Middle East.
00:43:55.660How to influence, but like to actually, instead of bullshit, because I think of this all the time when I'm writing, how to influence, how to get in an uplifting thing for people, an uplifting message through the crooked, horrible media.
00:44:14.660So, I mean, I'll answer in two ways, which relate to the message versus the medium in a sense.
00:44:19.660Number one, very early in my public engagement, I realized that I had an endless number of tools that I can use to spread my message, whether it be start my own channel well before any other professor had ever thought.
00:44:36.660Whether it was to go on Joe Rogan when all of my haughty highfalutin colleagues thought, how dare you speak to mere mortals, right?
00:44:47.660And so very quickly I learned or realized that any medium that I can use in the spread of hopefully good ideas over bad ideas, I was going to sign up for it.
00:44:59.660And so I never had, and to that point, Roseanne Barr would have never heard of Gad Saad had I restricted my engagement to only speaking to fellow professors via peer-reviewed journals, right?
00:45:15.660The fight is too important to only speak to the ivory tower folks.
00:45:38.660Now, sometimes some imbeciles will write to me and say, well, Professor Saad, aren't you losing some of your professorial thing by, you know, wearing a pink wig?
00:46:44.660So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to build what I call a nomological network of cumulative evidence.
00:46:50.660I know it's a mouthful, so I'm going to break it down.
00:46:53.660So let's suppose you, you come to me and say toy preferences are socially constructed, meaning little boys prefer to play with trucks and little girls prefer to play with dolls because of their sexist parents.
00:47:07.660And I want to actually prove to you that no, there is a biological universal reason for why these sex specific toy preferences exist.
00:47:16.660So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to build a network of evidence for you across cultures, across time periods, across species, all of which point to the veracity of my position.
00:47:30.660I can bring you data from vervit monkeys, rhesus monkeys, and chimpanzees showing you that they have the exact same toy preferences as human infants.
00:47:39.660I can bring you data from developmental psychology showing you that little infants who are too young yet to be socialized by definition are already exhibiting the sex specific toy preferences.
00:47:53.660I can take you to nomadic tribes in sub-Saharan Africa showing you that these toy preferences are not only in the West, they happen everywhere around the world in exactly the same way.
00:48:06.660I can get you data from 2,500 years ago in ancient Greece and ancient Rome where people have done analyses on funerary monuments where children are depicted.
00:48:18.660They're depicted playing with the exact same toys as we have today.
00:48:23.660I have triangulated many lines of evidence that hopefully gives you a tsunami of evidence.
00:48:30.660Now, here is where my mind vaccine fails.
00:48:34.660The only way I could give you that mind vaccine is if you're willing to at least come to the station to hear out my presenting you the data.
00:48:44.660If you go la la la la la la from the start, in other words, to use the vaccine analogy, I could only give you the vaccine against measles if you show up to the clinic.
00:48:54.660If you don't show up to the clinic, I can never give you the vaccine.
00:48:57.660So the challenge is to get people to have the humility to at least allow me to give you the vaccine and then I could flip you.
00:49:08.660The problem is many people don't even wish to engage me and therefore I could never give them a vaccine.
00:49:15.660Well, I think also what you're saying, and I've been saying it too, is, you know, a new kind of person I think is coming in, you know, into the world.
00:49:27.660And that person, those, that person is going to be much more intelligent than we are, and is only going to rely on fact and data.
00:49:44.660No, you know, they'll love their myths, they'll love their legends, but they won't rely on superstition just because everybody else did before them.
00:50:03.660The difficulty in what you're talking about is that oftentimes people invoke the wrong system at the wrong time.
00:50:11.660So for example, when I'm walking down a dark alley to take a shortcut to get home, and I see four young men loitering, I will get an emotional response.
00:50:22.660I will get a fear-based response, which makes perfect evolutionary sense.
00:50:28.660In that sense, my feeling system is beneficial to me.
00:50:32.660On the other hand, if I am choosing which president should lead us, I should not be using my emotional system, I should be using my cognitive system.
00:51:21.660One of the things that I love about being able to speak several languages is that there are expressions in one language that don't exist in another language, but that really are very powerful in describing something.
00:51:32.660So there's an expression in Arabic, which says getting drunk simply by smelling the cork of the wine bottle, which basically means that you are of such weak constituency that it doesn't actually take you to drink the wine bottle to get drunk.
00:51:46.660You just take a whiff and you're already, you know, getting drunk.
00:51:50.660Now I use this principle exactly to what we're talking about.
00:51:54.660So look, now I'm going to get drunk by smelling the cork of Barack Obama.
00:53:57.660I mean, we're all sad that a guy died.
00:53:59.660Look, in Suicidal Empathy, I have a section where I take some of the quotes that he has given as a manifestation of suicidal empathy regarding Islamic immigration to Europe, right?
00:54:14.660And he starts kissing the feet of the noble Muslim.
00:54:18.660Look, I'm all for Christian compassion and charity and kindness.
00:54:24.660It shouldn't be suicidal though, right?
00:54:27.660So, while I appreciate some of his attempts to, quote, modernize the church and so on, I think that he is a prime exemplar of suicidal empathy.
00:54:37.660So, I'm actually hopeful, although I don't know if it'll happen, there is a prospective Pope.
00:54:44.660I'm probably, you know who I'm talking about, the African, do you know Robert, I can't remember his last name, Sarah maybe?
00:56:09.660Those things have stood the test of time because they actually speaks to an evolutionary reality, which, by the way, other primates, for example,
00:56:18.660reciprocal grooming, you've probably seen it on a National Geographic episode, right?
00:56:39.660If I do it to you, if I literally scratch your back and you don't reciprocate, then you're a social cheat and you're going to be ostracized from the ban.
00:56:52.660So, when you have a unidirectional asymmetric compassion from one group to the other, without ever an expectation of reciprocity, you don't need fancy Professor Saad to tell you you're going to run into trouble.
00:57:07.660And so, that leads me to say, you know, about having double standards, because they've really groomed it into us to have double standards when it comes to the Jewish state.
00:57:22.660It is unbelievable, their double standards of war.
00:57:29.660I mean, on October 8th, they were in the streets of New York condemning Israel.
00:58:42.660But yet, I can't go to my campus downtown Montreal because there are signs everywhere saying, you know, you're a baby killer, you're a Zionist, and so on.
00:59:53.660I mean, you would think in academia we're protected by tenure, right?
00:59:57.660I mean, the whole point of tenure is so that you can be emboldened and courageous to speak your mind without having the threat of being fired.
01:00:07.660Yet I've never met a more cowardly castrated group than professors.
01:00:38.660As a matter of fact, one of the things that has frustrated me the most in my academic career, Roseanne.
01:00:44.660So I thought, so my sort of romance of academia was that my children would grow up at Shabbat dinner and I've invited all my colleagues.
01:00:56.660And one day we're talking about art history, the next day we're talking about the history of the papacy and the next.
01:01:03.660And the reality is that most of my academic colleagues, while they are great in the hyper specialized fields that they, that they are specialists in, they are completely stay in your lane people.
01:01:16.660Whereas a real intellect is able to have a meaningful conversation with Roseanne Barr one day, with Joe Rogan the next day, with an art historian.
01:01:25.660And I mean, if I may not to forgive me, not to toot my own horn, but the reason why I think I was able to achieve the platform that I have achieved, it's because I'm not elitist.
01:01:37.660I get a lot more of a kick out of a trucker writing to me, telling me, hey, you know what, you keep me sane.
01:01:44.660I listen to your show when I'm doing the run from this place to this place that that makes me happier than receiving an email from a colleague at Stanford telling me how great I am.
01:01:54.660Because if I can make you happier because those people are way smarter.
01:01:59.660They're way smarter, which I've known my whole life, way smarter, way more actually empathetic, because they live a real life.
01:02:08.660They don't live an artificial life of, I don't know, they're, they're handpicked, just like they did it in Germany.
01:02:17.660First, they took over the campuses with their fake science, reading people's head shapes, for God's sake.
01:11:30.660And with a lot of people, too, who do know and who also pray that we can stop it this year because I think it's common and it's going to be bad.
01:11:42.660But with enough people being aware and waking up and seeing outside of this media box that they have us all chained to and getting some real fact and data.
01:11:55.660I mean, I don't know, maybe with God's help.
01:12:04.660Do you get any of the folks who are not openly on your side but who are from the industry sort of send you the email similar to the one that I mentioned earlier?
01:12:16.660Do you get a lot of those or have all of your former colleagues disappeared from your Rolodex, so to speak?
01:12:24.660Yeah, I just kind of left it behind because, you know, that's one good thing about, you know, when we talk about being conditioned in the mind.
01:12:35.660That's one thing I think about us Jews.
01:12:38.660We know how to cut our losses and move on and flee sometimes.
01:12:43.660But yeah, I don't stay, I don't stay too, I don't stay attached to things when I see how they work and find them not good.
01:13:07.660You have an intellectual ferocity and it is so wonderful to me to be able to see you bring it down.
01:13:17.660Because, you know, I try as a comic, you have to bring all these lofty thoughts down into, you know, a joke.
01:13:24.660Or, you know, but to see you bring them down into a plain language thing is just wonderful to watch and I'm a real fan of that.
01:13:36.660And I was going to say, when God created a being, that's what Torah says, and of course you know this.
01:13:42.660He created a thinking, feeling, speaking being.
01:13:48.660And, you know, that we have, you know, a chance to speak truth to people that they can hear, hopefully, that they want to hear, you know, to get the vaccine there.
01:14:01.660And I am so honored to have you come on my show today.
01:14:07.660Likewise, I wish we could have, I know that I was speaking with your son about doing it in person.
01:14:13.660If only you guys had reached out about two months ago, I was actually in the area.
01:14:18.660And hopefully next time, it'll be in person.
01:14:28.660I would like to talk about the message.
01:14:34.660I'm giving you the last word because you got, you know, with Marshall McLuhan in mind and all of that, because I studied all that before I went to TV because I loved it.
01:14:44.660I loved the power of mass media and all of that.
01:14:48.660I didn't foresee that it would be to glorify idiocy, but of course it did.
01:15:08.660I don't want to presume whether you're male or female, but in all seriousness, look, right here in this conversation, we have someone who broke the mold in the entertainment industry.
01:15:23.660Another person who did it in academia.
01:15:26.660And so I implore people to not diffuse responsibility onto others, right?
01:15:33.660Yes, you may not have Roseanne Barr's, you know, reach.
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