The Roseanne Barr Podcast - Blackmail Nation： The Epstein Cover-Up with Nick Bryant

00:00:00.400 Greetings, Earthlings and humans and any other intelligent life forms that might be tuning in on whatever frequency, planet, or, you know, wavelength you're coming from.

00:00:14.920 I'm glad you're here, and especially animals, the highest intelligent beings on this planet, far more intelligent than humans, of course,

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00:00:30.920 Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.

00:00:39.140 Well, you know how I love to talk to geniuses, troublemakers, whistleblowers, dissenters, people with ideas that normally we don't get to hear

00:00:48.360 because of the unified field of bullshit that is YouTube and all the internet media outlets.

00:00:56.000 And I'm very excited today because we have a pioneer, a pioneer in the whole Epstein story, the first person to break the Epstein story, Nick Bryant.

00:01:07.920 Hi, Nick. Thanks for being here.

00:01:09.720 Good to be with you, Roseanne and Jake.

00:01:13.780 Thank you for coming on.

00:01:15.060 So you were, in fact, the first person to break the whole Epstein story, and you did it way back when?

00:01:23.000 Well, there had been a number of articles about him molesting children, and there was a grand jury that found that he hadn't molested a single child,

00:01:33.980 and that was in 2006, I believe.

00:01:36.600 I went down there in 2012, and I acquired his little black book, and then I started calling victims in the black book,

00:01:46.740 and they started telling me about being flown around and flown to an island.

00:01:52.200 And at that point, I realized he was no longer a lone pedophile, but he ran a pedophile network.

00:01:57.700 And so I took it back to New York.

00:02:01.180 I took the black book back to New York City, and I live in the mecca of publishing.

00:02:05.620 I thought for sure somebody would touch it, and of course, nobody did.

00:02:10.180 And then in 2015, I hooked up with John Cook at Gawker, and we published both the black book, and by that time, I had flight logs, too.

00:02:20.220 So I was the first guy to publish the black book and the flight logs, which I think was a quantum leap in our understanding of Epstein.

00:02:29.440 I wasn't the first guy to report about him, but I think I contributed quite a bit by publishing the black book and the flight logs.

00:02:36.680 How would you describe that evolutionary leap in human awareness in the United States and the world, too?

00:02:46.720 How would you describe that leap?

00:02:48.940 I think that there was a lot of denial.

00:02:51.420 Although I had the black book and I had the flight logs, there was a lot of denial.

00:02:58.960 And this was 2015.

00:03:00.700 This was four years before his case broke nationally.

00:03:05.140 And I'd written another book about a similar type of network called The Franklin Scandal, and there was a lot of skepticism around The Franklin Scandal.

00:03:14.780 And with Epstein, I found the same skepticism.

00:03:17.580 I would talk to editors or publishers, and it was like I could see the wheels turning in their brain.

00:03:25.620 They would think to themselves, this is really a horrible story.

00:03:29.140 I should help Nick Bryant expose this, or I can just write Nick Bryant off as crazy and have a nice meal with my family tonight.

00:03:38.900 And I was thinking that one of them, I knew a bunch of people in the media.

00:03:44.100 I was thinking that one of them would have some courage, but everybody I knew in the media pretty much let me down.

00:03:49.680 You think it's because they chose to just want to live a quiet life instead of getting embroiled in the worst thing in the world?

00:04:04.020 Well, the thing about it is, people don't do their jobs.

00:04:09.440 If people at the FBI did their jobs, people at the Department of Justice did their jobs, if people in journalism did their jobs, it would be a very, very different world.

00:04:21.400 I believe that.

00:04:23.580 But...

00:04:24.020 Don't you think we live in a world where now, if people do, due to their jobs, they are immediately fired or incarcerated?

00:04:33.180 Well, when I did my job, I was castigated.

00:04:39.520 I spent seven years on the Franklin scandal, and I had as much proof as I could possibly have.

00:04:46.940 I knew that the bar was very high on that, and I really wanted to make sure that I could withstand the scrutiny of just about anybody.

00:04:54.020 And we published it, and it was just a fizz.

00:04:58.700 We couldn't get anybody to really do anything with that book.

00:05:05.200 And, you know, I'd spent seven years on that book, and the book sales initially were really bad.

00:05:10.240 I mean, they've gotten much better.

00:05:11.660 But that was kind of a disheartening period of my life because I put so much work into this.

00:05:19.360 And we're talking about Boys Town, USA, where the Republican machine of Nebraska was actually trafficking and sexually abusing these children, these boys at Boys Town, right?

00:05:38.460 And taking them all the way to the White House, trafficking them.

00:05:41.700 Yes, Boys Town was a smorgasbord for pedophiles in the 1980s, and they were trafficked all over, but a lot of them were trafficked to Washington, D.C.

00:05:53.300 And in Washington, D.C., there was Craig Spence, who was a major power broker, and he had a mansion, and he was also a CIA asset.

00:06:02.920 And every room in his mansion was fitted with a small pinhole camera, and his thing was blackmail, much like Epstein, audiovisual blackmail.

00:06:19.200 Well, is there any difference between the Franklin School scandal and the Epstein scandal?

00:06:27.860 Did it just get bigger?

00:06:30.800 But, I mean, at its base, is it exactly the same or is it different?

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00:07:58.120 It's very similar.

00:08:00.660 You've got aberrations in the Justice Department and FBI that allow pedophiles to skate.

00:08:08.580 And the thing about the Franklin scandal that makes it a little bit different is there were a couple of the FBI came in and really pressured the kids to recant their abuse.

00:08:21.880 And two of them didn't.

00:08:23.480 One was Alicia Owen and one was Paul Benassi.

00:08:27.300 And Alicia was indicted on eight counts of perjury from the state grand jury.

00:08:32.920 And Paul was indicted on three counts.

00:08:35.380 So Paul was looking at 60 years and Alicia was looking.

00:08:39.240 These are the victims.

00:08:40.320 What's that?

00:08:41.700 These are the victims.

00:08:43.480 So Paul was looking at 60 years and Alicia was looking at 160 years.

00:08:48.720 And then she testified before a federal grand jury and they tacked on and she was 40 more years.

00:08:54.440 So Alicia was looking at 200 years in prison.

00:08:59.520 For being a victim who came forward.

00:09:01.660 For being a victim who came forward and she still wouldn't recant.

00:09:05.660 And there was a kangaroo court that sentenced her to between nine and 15 years in prison for not recanting her accounts of abuse.

00:09:14.940 But the authorities really tried to destroy her because they put her in solitary confinement for two years.

00:09:21.120 A kid.

00:09:22.580 She was like 20, 21 years old at that time.

00:09:25.340 And they put her in solitary for two years.

00:09:27.340 And as we know, that can really unravel people.

00:09:32.000 And she was PTSD.

00:09:33.840 What's that?

00:09:34.600 She was already.

00:09:35.340 I was saying she was already post-traumatic from being a victim.

00:09:38.240 Yeah, she was victimized twice.

00:09:41.320 And once by her pedophile perpetrators and then by our government, our state and the state of Nebraska and the Department of Justice and FBI.

00:09:53.620 A really horrific chapter in United States jurisprudence that they would gang up on this poor girl.

00:10:03.040 And she just was going to tell her truth.

00:10:08.340 And in the book, I really do show that she was definitely abused.

00:10:14.660 And she wouldn't recant that.

00:10:18.040 She's a real hero.

00:10:19.140 Alicia Owen is a hero in the United States of America.

00:10:23.040 A lot of people don't.

00:10:24.020 Most people don't even know her name.

00:10:26.840 I've never heard of her.

00:10:28.260 She's one of the.

00:10:29.440 She's still in prison.

00:10:30.820 No, she's out.

00:10:32.360 And I run an organization called Epstein Justice.

00:10:35.940 And we're trying to get justice for what we want is two relatively basic moral things.

00:10:43.080 We want if you cover up a crime, you're aiding and embedding that crime.

00:10:46.540 We want to know why the government aided and embedded child trafficking.

00:10:49.540 And we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted.

00:10:52.800 And Alicia is actually an associate director of Epstein Justice.

00:10:57.700 She's gone to school, graduated.

00:11:01.400 I think it was summa cum laude.

00:11:03.460 And she also happily married, owns a home.

00:11:07.280 I mean, she is like one in a billion, really, I think.

00:11:11.820 Yeah, really.

00:11:13.640 And so is Audra that we had on last week.

00:11:16.620 She's on the board too, isn't she?

00:11:18.300 She is on the staff also, yeah.

00:11:21.060 I've got some really good people at Epstein Justice.

00:11:23.880 I'm really, really happy how it's evolving.

00:11:27.900 Can people go there and help out, donate?

00:11:30.700 Oh, yeah, definitely.

00:11:32.720 You can go to EpsteinJustice.com.

00:11:35.160 We need donations.

00:11:36.740 We definitely need donations.

00:11:38.720 And then we also have, every month we have webinars where we teach people, give them the

00:11:45.220 tools to pressure their legislators because we're going to need that.

00:11:49.260 And there's also a change.org petition that it would be great if people signed too.

00:11:57.860 And that kind of brings, change.org brings people together.

00:12:01.740 We've got, we put it up like about five weeks ago.

00:12:04.700 We've got over 30,000 signatures.

00:12:06.420 And so that just shows that people are very concerned about this.

00:12:11.580 And it's great.

00:12:13.400 And actually, Epstein Justice, we've been trying to get congressional people to, what we want

00:12:20.040 is a congressional commission, independent congressional commission, to investigate Epstein.

00:12:26.120 And we want-

00:12:27.160 A special prosecutor?

00:12:28.740 Well, we want a congressional commission, which is a little different than a special

00:12:36.020 prosecutor because a congressional, independent congressional commission could include civilians

00:12:40.900 like me.

00:12:42.760 Oh, cool.

00:12:43.940 Yeah, I like that.

00:12:45.020 Because if it just goes to a subcommittee, it's not, nothing's going to be done.

00:12:49.640 If we just leave this to politicians, nothing is really going to happen.

00:12:54.260 And so Epstein Justice, we're putting pressure on legislators.

00:12:59.140 And we got our first legislator to get behind us a couple of days ago, Thomas Massey, who

00:13:05.820 proposed that there's an investigation into Epstein.

00:13:09.640 And the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, shut down Congress early.

00:13:13.380 So that couldn't be voted on, which is, and Mike Johnson is the Speaker of the House.

00:13:19.480 He's the third most powerful person constitutionally in the United States.

00:13:23.420 And he's shutting down-

00:13:24.980 I don't know about him sometimes.

00:13:27.200 Do you think that he shut Congress down to avoid this particular vote?

00:13:32.320 Yes.

00:13:33.980 I think that, unfortunately, I think that our political system-

00:13:38.660 And I've written, the Franklin scandal shows this, and I also wrote a book called Confessorings

00:13:43.200 of a DC Madam, The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail.

00:13:46.240 And it was about a guy who ran a gay escort service, and CIA assets would use his escorts

00:13:51.440 to compromise closeted politicians.

00:13:54.100 So I think that a lot of our politicians are compromised.

00:13:58.640 And I think that with the Epstein case, with an independent congressional commission, we just

00:14:06.360 might have a shot at flushing this unbelievable corruption and rot out of our political system.

00:14:13.620 So that's what I'm hoping for.

00:14:17.500 If you had to guess, what percentage of DC politicians would you speculate?

00:14:25.120 You might find this offensive.

00:14:27.840 But what percentage of them are pedophiles, you think?

00:14:31.580 I don't know.

00:14:35.280 With the Franklin scandal and also with the Epstein scandal, there's certainly a demand, for sure.

00:14:44.460 But there are other ways that people can get-

00:14:47.460 Like Mike Johnson, he's got, and this is kind of cringeworthy, he's got Covenant Eyes on-

00:14:55.800 It's a program on his iPhone, and his 17-year-old son has Covenant Eyes on his phone.

00:15:02.000 And that gives them the ability to monitor each other's consumption of pornography.

00:15:07.560 So right there, that's very weird.

00:15:12.860 And if-

00:15:13.900 Wait, hold on.

00:15:15.460 I'm sorry.

00:15:15.980 Covenant Eyes is an app that monitors-

00:15:18.220 So Mike Johnson can see if his son is looking at porn.

00:15:21.180 And his son can see if he's looking at porn.

00:15:24.020 So obviously, they both had a problem.

00:15:26.260 They're keeping each other in check.

00:15:27.780 But here's the thing with our cyber abilities, with the intelligence services, if he's attracted to macabre pornography or child abuse material, he's definitely compromised, for sure.

00:15:43.400 But isn't it even an extra dimension that him and his son are watching over each other's pornography consumption about uncovetous sexual behavior?

00:16:01.460 I mean, that's a triple right there.

00:16:04.940 And he's the third most powerful man in our country, constitutionally.

00:16:08.880 So that's-

00:16:09.900 How did you find this out?

00:16:11.300 Is he open about this, or was this some journalistic digging?

00:16:14.440 Rolling Stone initially reported it.

00:16:16.960 And it's subsequently been reported by other publications, too.

00:16:22.440 Okay.

00:16:23.720 I never heard that.

00:16:25.480 I mean, I'm in shock.

00:16:26.520 Well, I'm not in shock.

00:16:27.660 Because I think that everything they do is to cover their bad behavior, everything they care about.

00:16:35.500 Obviously, it has nothing to do with the voting public.

00:16:38.540 Well, Tim Burchett, he's a federal legislator from Tennessee.

00:16:44.080 He's in the House.

00:16:45.600 He came out about a year and a half ago and said, my colleagues are being compromised in honey traps.

00:16:51.860 And for a sitting U.S. congressman to make that kind of admission is mind-boggling.

00:16:58.100 And there's a guy with a lot of courage, a lot of courage.

00:17:02.700 Yeah.

00:17:02.840 And he is behind.

00:17:06.200 Massey has proposed this bill.

00:17:08.440 It's 581, or Resolution 581, that is going to mandate an investigation to Epstein, which Johnson snuffed out.

00:17:17.160 But it'll occur in September when Congress comes back.

00:17:21.240 But there's 34 representatives that are co-sponsoring it.

00:17:26.660 So that's huge that we've got people that have come aboard that are in the Congress.

00:17:35.820 And I think that that would be an indication that they're not compromised.

00:17:39.180 So not everyone is compromised.

00:17:41.300 Well, I mean, until the whole Trump revolution, it was don't rock the boat because they were all comfortable with it.

00:17:50.180 But the MAGA people came in, and that was one of their, you know, our number one concerns was the sex thing, the pedophile abuse thing worldwide.

00:18:03.660 Yeah, I mean, that's one of the reasons I supported Trump and voted for Trump, which is why I was kind of upset about the binder gate and Pam Bondi saying, I mean, let me ask you this real quick.

00:18:14.560 There is a list, right, Nick?

00:18:16.260 I mean, you published on Gawker.

00:18:17.700 There does exist a list because when you listen to Bondi and crew, now there's no list.

00:18:21.840 I think Nick is saying he had the black book.

00:18:24.820 And the logs.

00:18:25.520 Well, yeah, I mean, there isn't a list like it was the Jeffrey Epstein travel agency, and there's a list of people on his refrigerator with a magnet.

00:18:35.080 It's not that way.

00:18:36.020 But if you know the black book, the guy who ripped off, Epstein's house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez, ripped off the black book.

00:18:45.620 And he was trying to sell it to one of the attorneys representing some victims.

00:18:51.520 And the attorney called the FBI, and the FBI did a sting.

00:18:56.660 And Rodriguez called it the grail.

00:18:59.400 And it is a grail to a certain degree because a lot of the perpetrators, there's a lot of people in there that aren't perpetrators, but there's a lot of people in there that are perpetrators.

00:19:11.000 And then there's a lot of victims, too.

00:19:13.180 And when I first got it in 2012, as I said, I started calling victims.

00:19:20.120 And a lot of them wouldn't talk to me, which I'm used to.

00:19:23.500 But then they were telling me about being flown around and then also on Epstein's island.

00:19:28.740 So that is really, I mean, that's very much like the Franklin scandal.

00:19:36.640 Yeah.

00:19:37.300 Who are the victims?

00:19:38.540 The victims with Epstein, a lot of them are lower socioeconomic kids in Florida.

00:19:47.920 Working class.

00:19:48.980 Working class, lower socioeconomic.

00:19:51.140 But then Epstein was buying children in Eastern Europe.

00:19:55.460 I mean, not renting them, but he was actually buying them in Eastern Europe.

00:19:59.840 So what do you mean by Eastern Europe?

00:20:05.220 What are you specifically referring to?

00:20:06.460 Yugoslavia, Romania, what we used to call Eastern Europe.

00:20:11.660 And I don't know.

00:20:14.680 Jean-Luc Brunel, who ran this quote-unquote modeling agency with Jeffrey Epstein, who was called MC Squared,

00:20:21.180 they had some ability with the government to get visas for these girls.

00:20:27.360 I don't know how they did it.

00:20:28.900 I've looked into it.

00:20:29.960 I'm still not quite sure how they were able to do it.

00:20:33.200 We can figure it out.

00:20:36.220 Well, I think the prefix MI says it all.

00:20:42.640 Yes.

00:20:43.820 Yeah.

00:20:46.120 Interesting.

00:20:46.880 You're talking about MI6.

00:20:48.020 Yeah, because they're always trying to bury the royal family's involvement in all this.

00:20:54.060 Well, I think, okay, so I've been at this for like 22, 23 years.

00:21:01.740 And I've been told by people in intelligence that the three countries that are the greatest practitioners of blackmail are the U.S., Israel, and the U.K.

00:21:13.860 But I know that Russia isn't far behind in that mix because the KGB and subsequent Russian intelligence agencies have definitely deployed blackmail all over.

00:21:27.340 Always.

00:21:28.100 But blackmail is an integral part of our political system.

00:21:34.260 Going back to like the founding fathers, Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with a 23-year-old who was married, and her husband was blackmailing Alexander Hamilton.

00:21:46.060 And there was this muckraking journalist that came along, and Hamilton and Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, had a lot of antipathy towards each other.

00:21:54.940 They did not like each other at all.

00:21:56.620 So the muckraker outed Hamilton having an affair, and then the muckraker thought that Jefferson would give him a place in his administration.

00:22:09.080 And when Jefferson didn't, he outed Jefferson for having sex with one of his slaves, Sally Hemmings, which actually DNA tests have shown that that could be the case.

00:22:18.160 So sexual blackmail goes all the way back to the beginning of our republic.

00:22:26.360 And before then.

00:22:28.560 And it's just been an integral part of it.

00:22:30.280 It kind of goes back to, I think it goes back to the establishment of all power.

00:22:37.300 Because how else would they get there?

00:22:38.840 But now we have pinhole cameras, and that makes it so much easier to blackmail people.

00:22:48.860 With the technology that we have now, I think it's relatively easy to blackmail people.

00:22:55.260 Well, Kathy O'Brien told me, she's a friend, and she told me that the worst things in the world happen when Congress goes on recess.

00:23:03.420 And that's when the lobbyists take them and ply them with food, liquor, and all kinds of sinful things.

00:23:11.760 And, you know, they're on a hedonistic holiday.

00:23:16.640 And that's where all of our laws come from, is that criminal behavior that they have at their parties.

00:23:24.140 So it doesn't surprise me at all.

00:23:27.100 And, I mean, they get drunk enough and drugged up enough, they'll do anything.

00:23:34.280 And they have done anything.

00:23:36.660 Well, that's how this works, is like Craig Spence from the Franklin scandal used to have political parties where power brokers would be invited, senators, people in the media, captains of industry, people in the administration.

00:23:52.180 And he would ply them with alcohol for probably five or six hours or whatever.

00:23:58.520 It would start out as like a D.C. cocktail party.

00:24:02.060 But then at 10 or 11, something inappropriate would happen.

00:24:06.960 There would be something sexually inappropriate.

00:24:09.220 Someone would fire up a joint or break out coke.

00:24:12.380 And a lot of people that wanted no part of that would split.

00:24:16.160 But then the people that stayed would be compromised for sure.

00:24:19.800 Right.

00:24:20.500 Just like a daddy party.

00:24:21.680 Yeah.

00:24:23.180 And then if they stayed after midnight, even worse things happened.

00:24:28.520 Well, I have heard of sadism to these victims, both in the Franklin scandal and also in the Epstein scandal, too.

00:24:40.840 Some of these guys like to be sadistic to little kids.

00:24:44.480 I mean, that's what...

00:24:45.900 Yeah, they do.

00:24:46.540 It's pretty horrible.

00:24:48.280 I remember Paul Bonacci's testimony of how they really enjoyed being in a circle and stuffing large objects into the 14-year-old boy's anuses.

00:25:04.560 And, you know, they really, really enjoyed that, especially when they were screaming and bleeding.

00:25:11.800 They really enjoyed that.

00:25:13.720 I am not familiar with that story, but I am familiar with...

00:25:18.540 This past story.

00:25:19.460 There's been unbelievable...

00:25:20.740 I mean, Paul Bonacci, according to his testimony, was subjected to unbelievable sadism.

00:25:26.480 And it's really amazing.

00:25:30.480 I mean, a lot of those, you know, the thing about it is, and this is what the mainstream media really lacks integrity.

00:25:39.260 But the thing is...

00:25:43.260 Well, they all go to the parties, too.

00:25:45.140 They do go to the parties.

00:25:46.460 No one in the mainstream media has really delved into...

00:25:51.260 Human traffickers are vicious people.

00:25:54.340 They're psychopaths.

00:25:55.260 God, they're psychopaths.

00:25:56.720 And the mainstream media has never really portrayed how psychopathic these people are.

00:26:04.100 No.

00:26:04.980 Epstein was...

00:26:05.900 Well, they don't portray it how psychopathic and homicidal Hamas is, either.

00:26:12.780 The October 7th thing, they blow that off like, oh, you know, they invaded.

00:26:18.040 And they have censored the evidence of what they actually did, which is worse than what Nazis did.

00:26:26.800 And they just blow that off.

00:26:28.520 So it's all the same thing.

00:26:30.180 It seems to be all to protect a really rotten, evil bunch.

00:26:35.500 And they're all the same.

00:26:36.780 And they haven't changed since the Franklin School, either, much, have they?

00:26:39.980 No.

00:26:41.160 Actually, I think it's gotten worse, from my perspective.

00:26:45.040 I think the blackmail has gotten much more systemic.

00:26:50.640 And when I was running the Franklin Sandal, I was able to get to one of the blackmail photographers.

00:26:58.260 And given his former vocation, he's not the paragon of ethics or morality, but I think he was being honest with me.

00:27:06.820 Early on, he was being honest.

00:27:08.360 And then I think he kind of swerved off into dishonesty.

00:27:12.480 But I was trying to get my mind around it.

00:27:15.160 And I said, well, because you don't read books.

00:27:18.480 There's no books about this.

00:27:19.820 Well, now there is, the Franklin Scandal.

00:27:21.440 But prior to that, there really wasn't a book about it.

00:27:23.480 And I said, you know, how does this work?

00:27:26.480 And he said, once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht.

00:27:31.980 And it's a beautiful yacht.

00:27:33.700 And it's a beautiful day.

00:27:34.980 And you can have anything you want on the yacht.

00:27:38.380 But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown.

00:27:44.540 So there's zero incentive to get off that.

00:27:47.640 And actually being on the yacht is a good career move for a lot of people.

00:27:51.660 The former Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert.

00:27:57.260 Oh, yeah.

00:27:57.900 Good old Dennis.

00:27:59.480 He had been a high school wrestling coach and also taught at high school.

00:28:05.860 And he had been a pederast going back 30 or 40 years.

00:28:10.860 And his rise in the House of Representatives was was meteoric.

00:28:18.580 And and according to Sabelle Edmonds, she was an FBI whistleblower.

00:28:24.860 The FBI knew about his shadow life when he was Speaker of the House.

00:28:31.160 So, yeah, I think that that was a case where the FBI was fully aware of what Dennis Hastert was up to.

00:28:41.280 But as long as he was, he was a strong arm specialist and he really pushed the Iraq war very hard.

00:28:51.740 And I think that that was his impetus was probably because of his blackmail.

00:28:56.240 But I'm sure that being blackmailed was it was a good career move for him, unfortunately.

00:29:03.720 Well, it's like Hollywood, isn't it?

00:29:05.300 Mom, the structure of Hollywood is if there is sort of pressure to do sort of things or they have blackmail, there is a payoff.

00:29:12.960 It's not like you're blackmailed and you're living in a hut like you rise.

00:29:17.300 You'll rise at the top.

00:29:18.300 You'll have money.

00:29:18.880 Well, if you don't, you'll be finished.

00:29:21.300 Right.

00:29:21.660 So it's kind of like a choice.

00:29:22.700 Like, do I want to be wealthy or do it?

00:29:24.440 You get a choice.

00:29:25.280 It's like you do this or you're gone.

00:29:29.640 Right.

00:29:29.940 You know, your career's over.

00:29:31.840 This is a sickness of human nature, it seems to me.

00:29:35.100 It's a sickness of power.

00:29:36.620 Yeah.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:37.880 Yeah.

00:29:38.380 And it seems that the people who, I mean, I'm not talking about the people I know that are now in our government

00:29:46.780 and went there to fight this and solve it and cure it because, you know, sometimes it has to get really, really ugly before people will decide to take it into their own hands and make the changes that need to happen instead of sitting back thinking that their representatives are going to do it.

00:30:10.260 Or that they're never going to do it because it takes a billion dollars to get enough money to run a campaign.

00:30:18.620 That doesn't come from grassroots ever.

00:30:20.920 So all of our representatives are not really our representatives, they're representatives of lobbies or private enterprise.

00:30:29.340 So American people didn't want to see that, but I think more and more they are seeing it and they want to do something to stop it.

00:30:37.500 And child trafficking, child death, child abuse, child sacrifice by, you know, just a satanic bunch.

00:30:51.320 They really are.

00:30:52.280 They really do exist, don't they?

00:30:54.500 People blow it off and go, oh gosh, that's crazy to say that there is a satanic cult that sacrifices children.

00:31:01.320 Where do you stand with that?

00:31:02.480 Well, there's certainly, ritual abuse exists, although Wikipedia says it doesn't.

00:31:09.540 Ritual abuse definitely exists.

00:31:11.600 And we saw that in the Franklin scandal and we've seen that in other scandals.

00:31:16.780 But just the sheer number of Americans that are molested, according to the Centers for Disease Control, 25% of underage girls and 5% of underage boys are molested.

00:31:31.480 Now, people in the field think it's slightly conservative for underage girls and very conservative for underage boys.

00:31:38.440 But if you just go with the CDC numbers, there's over 50 million Americans that have been molested.

00:31:46.220 And the Department of Health and Human Services commissioned a study that found that 240,000 to 325,000 women and children are sexually trafficked in the United States every year.

00:32:00.080 And according to the Federal Human Trafficking Report of 2023, the last one, there was only 664 people charged with child trafficking.

00:32:15.180 So if you go with the smallest number from the Department of Health and Human Services, which is 240,000, and only 664 people are charged, it really shows how our society is not protecting our children.

00:32:33.180 And there's millions of hours of child abuse material on the Internet.

00:32:40.540 And last year, there were 1,375 people convicted of it, of making it and of distributing it.

00:32:47.940 So there again, less than 1%.

00:32:50.440 And one of the reasons why Epstein justice is so important in getting justice for these Epstein victims is that if we allow the Department of Justice to cover up a proven trafficking network, the Epstein network, a proven trafficking network, we're going to send a message to millions of people that have been molested, have been trafficked, that they have no voice and no hope for justice if they see this.

00:33:17.740 Well, they've already done that.

00:33:18.740 Well, they've already done that.

00:33:20.000 I mean, that's where we're at.

00:33:21.720 They've already done that.

00:33:23.840 And to a lot of those people, they're very, very upset with Trump and what he's done with saying, oh, Kathy Phillips, FaceTime video.

00:33:36.080 There's Trump on the phone.

00:33:38.160 No, that's Kathy Phillips.

00:33:39.820 But, you know, what I was going to say, it's more than, it is systematic, but it's international, isn't it?

00:33:53.220 That's the important thing.

00:33:54.520 Yes, but people think that the United States is more pristine when it comes to trafficking, but the numbers that I just showed you, I mean, the United States is like a trafficking paradise.

00:34:10.560 I mean, compared to like Thailand or these other places that people go to, I mean, there's a lot more child abuse that seems to be going on in the United States than anywhere else, which is very, very shocking to me.

00:34:26.080 The United States is like one of the world hubs of child sexual slavery.

00:34:32.320 A hundred percent, and that's very crazy to me because, you know, it's a Christian nation and whatnot, liberty, all the values that we have as Americans, that is the antithesis of it.

00:34:44.920 And I just want to ask real quick, with the CIA, with Mossad, with MI6, and probably every other intelligence agency, let's be honest, but those three, right?

00:34:54.420 All bye-byes.

00:34:55.560 It's all bye-byes.

00:34:57.080 They're working together.

00:34:58.360 They're sharing intelligence.

00:34:59.320 This does seem to be systemic of how power operates.

00:35:03.140 My question to you is, I know you have Epstein Justice and that kind of stuff, but like, really, how do we fight this if it's in every world?

00:35:11.260 Well, he has a plan.

00:35:12.320 I wanted to get to that.

00:35:13.660 You have a plan, right?

00:35:15.220 Epstein Justice is the plan.

00:35:17.600 And I'll answer Jake's question because people ask me all the time, was Epstein part of the Mossad?

00:35:25.800 And I believe that he very well might have been part of the Mossad.

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00:36:45.220 But I don't believe, and some CIA guys have confirmed this for me.

00:36:52.740 I don't believe that the CIA would let the Mossad compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence.

00:37:03.160 That's right.

00:37:04.680 And MI6 would not let the CIA do it either without their compliance.

00:37:11.440 So I think it's endemic and also it's sanctioned at the highest level.

00:37:21.560 With the Epstein scandal, the neutron that went into the plutonium was a 14-year-old girl who told her stepmother that she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein.

00:37:33.100 And her stepmother brought her to the Palm Beach Police Department.

00:37:36.680 And she was from a lower socioeconomic family, and she described the interior of Jeffrey Epstein's home and also his anatomy.

00:37:46.980 So the police felt like she rang of authenticity, and they started an investigation.

00:37:56.440 And the Palm Beach Police Department was able to identify 23 victims.

00:38:00.300 But it initially was going to indict Jeffrey Epstein on five counts, four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor and one count of lewd and lascivious molestation, which could have put Jeffrey Epstein in prison for a very long time.

00:38:15.840 But they knew of a lot of other victims.

00:38:17.900 This is just what they were going to start with.

00:38:19.980 And that case was taken away from them and given to a grand jury.

00:38:26.540 And generally, grand juries in Florida are just reserved for murder cases.

00:38:32.480 So something was up.

00:38:34.480 And I don't know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work.

00:38:38.880 People think when they hear grand jury, it's like the gods of jurisprudence have spoken.

00:38:43.140 But actually, with a grand jury, a special prosecutor is chosen to present evidence to the grand jurors.

00:38:50.200 And grand jurors are just citizens that have shown up for jury duty and been found to a grand jury.

00:38:55.500 So the special prosecutor...

00:38:56.880 Citizens that couldn't get out of jury duty.

00:39:01.060 And it's one-sided evidence, right?

00:39:02.900 It's totally, yeah.

00:39:03.760 The special prosecutor calls the witnesses.

00:39:06.800 The special prosecutor shows the grand jurors the evidence.

00:39:10.420 So there's a famous quip by a New York Supreme Court justice that said special prosecutors have so much power over grand juries that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich.

00:39:21.520 And that's what happened with the Franklin grand juries.

00:39:24.960 And that's what happened with the Epstein grand jury.

00:39:27.640 Epstein, that grand jury found that Epstein hadn't molested a single child.

00:39:32.100 And I got the transcripts of that grand jury.

00:39:34.700 And although law enforcement knew of at least 23 victims, they only called two.

00:39:41.820 Lana Belilovic was the special prosecutor, and she only called two.

00:39:46.760 And one had been molested by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 14, and she was now 16.

00:39:51.740 And one had been molested by Jeffrey Epstein multiple times when she was 16, and she was now 18.

00:39:57.120 And the special prosecutor was calling the victims prostitutes and just skewered them.

00:40:07.780 So that grand jury, it only called two victims and just destroyed them.

00:40:13.560 And that grand jury then said that Jeffrey Epstein hadn't molested a single child.

00:40:18.780 And then what happened, one of the real heroes in this story is Michael Ryder.

00:40:23.980 He was the Palm Beach police chief.

00:40:25.940 And he went to the Department of Justice, Southern District, Florida, and said,

00:40:34.040 You guys have got to investigate this.

00:40:36.040 This is one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in modern times.

00:40:40.360 So Alexander Acosta was the U.S. attorney for Southern Florida.

00:40:44.440 He acted like he was going to empanel a grand jury and get to the bottom of this.

00:40:49.060 And at this point, the feds had a list of 34 victims.

00:40:53.940 I've got that list, but they knew of 40.

00:40:56.980 And then all of a sudden, there was radio silence from the Department of Justice.

00:41:02.160 And what was happening was Amory Villafana, the assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida,

00:41:09.640 and Jay Lefkowitz, one of the big-shot attorneys that represented Epstein,

00:41:15.680 they were making this really dirty deal.

00:41:19.040 And I've got emails between those two.

00:41:22.740 And the deal that they cooked up was so dirty that Amory Villafana said to Jay Lefkowitz,

00:41:29.660 There's a magistrate that will sign off on this.

00:41:33.080 Magistrates are just one notch below judges in the judiciary,

00:41:36.500 and they can pretty much do anything that a judge can.

00:41:39.660 So on the sly, they had this magistrate sign up.

00:41:44.700 They said, there's one magistrate, and he's going to be here on Monday.

00:41:47.780 We've got to get this done.

00:41:48.980 So he signed off on it, and then the feds sealed it.

00:41:53.660 So no one could look at it.

00:41:55.900 And some attorneys that were representing the victims and also the Palm Beach Post appealed that.

00:42:01.220 And the judge in the case, Kenneth Mara from Palm Beach, said that that documentation should be unsealed.

00:42:09.020 And then the feds appealed that.

00:42:12.120 And then ultimately, the 11th Circuit said, unseal it.

00:42:16.160 And it was unsealed.

00:42:17.220 And what it did is it gave blanket immunity, blanket immunity to all of the co-conspirators and perpetrators in the Epstein Network, all of them.

00:42:29.820 And also, the Victim Crimes Rights Act is a federal law.

00:42:39.820 And basically what it says is victims have to be apprised of the adjudication of their perpetrators.

00:42:48.480 And they actually get to confront their perpetrators.

00:42:52.260 So the feds never did that.

00:42:54.920 That's one of the reasons why they sealed it.

00:42:57.040 So the feds contravened the Victim Rights Crime Act and also gave blanket immunity to all these perpetrators.

00:43:04.980 It was just really horrible, really horrible.

00:43:08.160 And then the feds, because it had contravened that Victim Rights Act, had the state make a deal with Epstein.

00:43:18.980 And the deal was he had to be in jail, county jail for 18 months.

00:43:22.640 He did 13.

00:43:23.520 And he was let out during the day to molest little girls.

00:43:26.400 So that was justice for Jeffrey Epstein in 2007.

00:43:35.040 Jesus Christ.

00:43:36.280 So depressing.

00:43:37.160 That's, yeah.

00:43:41.980 And Alexander Acosta was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District at that time.

00:43:47.980 And he was also Trump's labor secretary.

00:43:50.200 And when he was coming in and being vetted by the Trump administration, he was asked,

00:43:57.680 why did you go so light on Epstein?

00:44:00.260 And Acosta said, I was told that Epstein was intelligence and that I had to back down,

00:44:05.020 that it was above my pay grade.

00:44:06.200 And you know that that's what they did.

00:44:11.340 He was protected at the highest levels of the CIA and the FBI, just like Comey and Hillary Clinton

00:44:18.400 and Obama have been in their crimes.

00:44:21.880 I mean, all the criminals are the only ones who get any protection under the law.

00:44:27.220 Certainly the victims and the citizens, especially the taxpayers, get no representation of protection under the law.

00:44:34.980 It's unbelievable.

00:44:35.980 It's all upside down or backward day every day.

00:44:40.080 Well, I think the telling thing is, and I looked into this, I've talked to some legal scholars.

00:44:45.840 There's only two people in the country, in the government, that can tell a U.S. attorney to back down.

00:44:52.080 One is the attorney general and one is the president.

00:44:55.140 And at that time, the attorney general was Alberto Gonzalez and the president was Bush too.

00:45:00.660 So there's no way a U.S. attorney is going to go out on a limb and cover up a pedophile network unless his boss says okay.

00:45:09.080 And Alberto Gonzalez isn't going to do that.

00:45:12.000 Was Bush one and Bush two, were they ever implicated in any way in the Boys Town thing?

00:45:21.000 Because I heard that they were.

00:45:23.040 They were implicated by one victim.

00:45:26.300 And that was really, the way that that played out was really egregious because of how, as I said earlier, Alicia Owen getting 9 to 15 years.

00:45:40.560 And basically the state and feds said that not a single child had been abused.

00:45:47.340 And if you go to Wikipedia, it says that not a single child had been abused.

00:45:51.540 And we've tried to change that, but intelligence is on Wikipedia and they will not let us change it.

00:45:56.640 Oh, yeah.

00:45:57.500 Yeah.

00:45:58.160 And, well, go ahead.

00:46:01.280 But Bush senior ran the CIA.

00:46:04.920 Let me forget that.

00:46:06.240 And this is kind of an interesting fact.

00:46:09.640 William Barr was Bush one's attorney general that covered up the Franklin scandal.

00:46:16.260 And he was Trump's attorney general that covered up the Epstein scandal.

00:46:23.440 Yeah.

00:46:23.800 A hundred percent.

00:46:24.700 And you see these guys that are really dirty just get recycled and recycled and recycled.

00:46:30.240 No, that's why I say they're the very same people all the way through from Franklin to Epstein.

00:46:37.960 They never lose their jobs or get confronted and they never have any accountability for the things they do.

00:46:43.420 Well, I guess because they're intelligence.

00:46:46.260 I guess the only thing intelligence can come up with is to use children to blackmail people to keep their power.

00:46:56.300 I guess that's the only thing they can think of.

00:46:58.800 Well, power only seeks to perpetuate itself.

00:47:03.980 And unfortunately, we have, regardless of whether they're American or Chinese or Ugandan,

00:47:12.960 and unfortunately, the bad ones rise to the top because they're ruthless.

00:47:21.000 They're willing to do just about anything it takes to get that kind of power.

00:47:24.920 Whereas good people don't really, it's, they're not willing to cheat, lie, and steal to get ahead in life.

00:47:32.240 But our politicians are, unfortunately.

00:47:35.260 A lot of them, I should say.

00:47:37.700 Well, good people, I think what's happening is an awakening thing where good people realize,

00:47:44.280 hey, we do have laws.

00:47:47.580 We could try following the laws for a change.

00:47:51.040 I think we're seeing that right now.

00:47:54.760 Yeah.

00:47:55.260 We're seeing that right now.

00:47:57.600 Pam Bondi in February said that she was going to release the Epstein files.

00:48:03.440 And a couple of days later, she released like a nothing sandwich.

00:48:07.800 I released more incriminating information in 2015 than she did in 2025.

00:48:13.020 And then that's binders referenced earlier.

00:48:16.500 Yeah, it was weird.

00:48:17.440 The binders, yes.

00:48:19.000 And then she got herself into a deeper hole when she said that the files were going to be released,

00:48:25.820 but anything that's related to national security will be redacted.

00:48:30.000 So now she has to tell us what a bunch of child molesters have to do with, you know, with national security.

00:48:38.060 Well, there you go.

00:48:39.380 That's what I thought.

00:48:40.160 Well, I'm glad she said that because that's bingo.

00:48:43.160 A bunch of child molesters have everything to do with our national security.

00:48:48.420 But here's where she lied.

00:48:49.520 And this is really unfortunate because the day, the morning after Epstein was arrested,

00:48:56.220 the FBI opened his safe and they pulled out lots of disks and hard drives.

00:49:02.360 There was lots of child abuse material in that safe.

00:49:07.200 She said that.

00:49:08.020 Well, no, no.

00:49:08.520 The New York Times and Business Insider reported it the next morning.

00:49:12.780 And so she's kind of implying that they're just looking at it now, which is not the truth

00:49:20.700 because they were looking at it as soon as they pulled it out of Epstein's safe that morning.

00:49:25.520 I'm sure that they did double shifts just to see what Epstein had.

00:49:30.040 Well, they had to fill up some burn bags with it.

00:49:33.900 Well, but we don't really need.

00:49:37.240 The thing about it is we don't need the Epstein files to go after these perpetrators.

00:49:49.000 We just need people that now we just need people to follow the law because there was a New York Times article.

00:49:57.260 It was a full page article and it named Ghislaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross,

00:50:03.260 and Nadia Marcinkova and Haley Robson being pimps for Jeffrey Epstein.

00:50:08.340 And Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison now.

00:50:11.640 And as appalling as it is, she might be working on some kind of deal with the government, even though she's evil.

00:50:17.720 But we could go after Sarah Kellen, Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross, and Nadia Marcinkova.

00:50:24.280 We could charge them with multiple counts of child trafficking.

00:50:28.160 They knew all about Jeffrey Epstein's network and they helped facilitate it.

00:50:32.820 We could go after them and charge them with multiple counts of child trafficking and they would roll over on the perps.

00:50:39.000 I mean, that's how it's done with the mafia.

00:50:42.660 And then there's hundreds of victims, hundreds of victims that could testify.

00:50:47.860 So we don't need a smoking gun like video.

00:50:52.960 We just need the Department of Justice to act correctly.

00:50:57.440 I mean, that's what we need.

00:50:58.620 And then we could take care of them.

00:51:00.940 Do their job, as you said.

00:51:03.040 And it doesn't seem that Bondi and the DOJ at this point are doing their job.

00:51:09.820 Maybe we're not apprised.

00:51:10.680 Can you imagine her sitting there on top of all of those ops?

00:51:15.280 What's she going to do?

00:51:16.460 I mean, probably everything she does, they stop or block her.

00:51:20.640 Yeah.

00:51:20.840 And there's a lot of local judges that think they have the power of the universe in their pen to stop things.

00:51:28.600 The thing with that is the FBI on July 6 released a very strange document.

00:51:36.460 And no one would sign it.

00:51:38.180 Actually, it was the Department of Justice and FBI both.

00:51:41.360 And no one signed it.

00:51:43.560 No one was going to take the fall for it.

00:51:45.760 It said there's a couple of things in it that I agree with.

00:51:48.860 It said that there were 300 gigabytes taken from Jeffrey Epstein and pounded from Jeffrey Epstein.

00:51:53.180 I agree with that.

00:51:55.120 It said that there were over 1,000 victims of Epstein.

00:52:00.480 And I agree with that.

00:52:02.140 But here's where it gets really bad.

00:52:06.280 I mean, it says that Epstein acted alone.

00:52:09.080 And that's just not true.

00:52:12.440 And it also says that Epstein didn't engage in blackmail.

00:52:15.600 And that's just not true.

00:52:16.840 But, I mean, I've spoken at a number of child trafficking conferences.

00:52:25.600 The National Center on Sexual Exploitation has a conference at like an international summit every year.

00:52:32.220 And I've spoken at three of those.

00:52:33.660 And I've spoken at other conferences.

00:52:35.100 And I've gotten to know the dynamics of this pretty well.

00:52:40.620 And the best thing you can say to a victim of child sexual abuse or a victim of sexual assault is, I believe you.

00:52:51.300 The worst thing you can say is, I don't believe you.

00:52:54.860 And with that document, our government said to hundreds of girls, or now young women, we don't believe you.

00:53:01.240 And that's really, really an abomination.

00:53:05.940 It is.

00:53:06.580 It is.

00:53:08.380 It is.

00:53:09.360 It's, you know, so horrible.

00:53:12.880 So satanic.

00:53:14.000 I mean, it's just evil.

00:53:17.320 Who do you think, let's go, let's make some conjecture because I want to see.

00:53:21.420 Who do you think sits atop of this whole thing?

00:53:23.860 Um, I've asked that question to myself a million times.

00:53:34.000 And I've been asked that question a million times.

00:53:39.820 I don't know.

00:53:41.920 I mean, I believe that there's obviously some shadowy group that's part of intelligence,

00:53:51.100 that's probably got their hooks in the FBI and also the Department of Justice that is responsible.

00:53:59.740 I believe that you could, I guess you could call them shadow masters because we don't really know who they are.

00:54:09.640 No, we don't know any of their names, do we?

00:54:11.900 And the goal of our shadow masters is to be anonymous.

00:54:20.680 And unfortunately, and I think that financial people are part of that too.

00:54:26.760 The billionaires, I mean, I'm sure that there are billionaires that are part of that group also.

00:54:33.200 And they just exercise an enormous amount of power over us.

00:54:38.800 But I think that's changing.

00:54:41.880 I think people are waking up.

00:54:43.460 I really do.

00:54:44.840 And I'm hoping that within the next year, we're going to see some major changes.

00:54:54.100 I'm really hoping that.

00:54:55.320 I'm hoping too.

00:54:57.460 I mean, I see, you know, I see changes all over because I'm always searching, you know, for information.

00:55:04.140 And I see a lot of things being disrupted and changed.

00:55:09.520 But I just don't think people are quite prepared for the whole story.

00:55:15.600 But I do think it will come out.

00:55:17.420 And I do think that a lot of it has been stopped at the source.

00:55:24.900 And I think Trump's dealt with a lot of it at the top.

00:55:30.820 Well, we've got Epstein Justice.

00:55:33.320 That's the organization that I founded.

00:55:35.260 That's the organization that ADRA is part of.

00:55:38.700 And what we want is a congressional commission, independent congressional commission, as I said, to investigate this.

00:55:45.120 And if we can get that, I mean, we can shame our politicians into doing this.

00:55:55.500 And they should be shamed.

00:55:57.300 Mike Johnson, when he came out and said that he's going to adjourn Congress early, at Epstein Justice, we have a legislator of the week.

00:56:06.400 And we put their name, their face, and their number there.

00:56:09.700 And we encourage people to call them.

00:56:12.640 And last week, Mike Johnson was the legislator of the week.

00:56:17.940 So we can, you know, it's, people have been conditioned to believe that they don't have any power.

00:56:26.160 And we, the people, can have power.

00:56:31.060 We just have to come together.

00:56:32.720 And I think that this is an issue when the government is aiding, bedding, child trafficking, and children are getting abused with impunity.

00:56:42.840 I think that this is an issue that can bring both the left and the right together.

00:56:47.280 The left.

00:56:47.720 I think so, too.

00:56:49.360 That's, it has to happen.

00:56:52.040 It has to happen.

00:56:53.340 But it seems that, you know, the whole brainwashing thing that goes along with, you know, you know, it's a grooming thing.

00:57:04.120 It's a brainwashing, grooming thing of the entire populace to not see it.

00:57:09.060 Well, aren't we all being groomed by the media to look the other way?

00:57:14.240 Well, as I said, the media has been horrific here.

00:57:17.400 I mean, the media hasn't called, I'm not aware of a media outlet calling for justice in the Epstein case.

00:57:25.880 I'm not aware of one.

00:57:27.880 And the media has, I think, made the Republicans hate the Democrats and vice versa.

00:57:36.300 I mean, I think that the media has caused that chasm.

00:57:39.920 I do, too.

00:57:41.200 And it's basically, it's the old story of divide and conquer.

00:57:45.660 Yeah.

00:57:46.180 Well, that's what they're really ramping up.

00:57:49.720 They really think they're going to, you know, get the big reward on the divide and conquer when nobody stands up for anybody.

00:57:57.640 You remember the whole thing about Germany?

00:57:59.800 It said they came for the, I can't remember how it goes, they came for the people in red hats.

00:58:05.300 And I didn't wear a red hat, so I said nothing and all the way down the line until they came for me and there was nobody left to stand up for me.

00:58:12.960 Well, that is the politics that they're practicing along with the grooming in the schools and everything else to make pedophilia itself look normal so they can get themselves off the hook.

00:58:25.540 At the very top, they're letting it, at the very top of every political group and every multinational corporation as well and every bank.

00:58:36.120 Let's get real.

00:58:37.040 Well, Jeffrey Epstein did a lot of work on behalf of banks and dissolving the sovereignty of nations for banks.

00:58:46.660 And, you know, he knew how to twist every law against human beings and, you know, he did it for the benefit of power and all power is complicit in everything he did.

00:59:06.460 It wasn't just him and, you know, a group of his tribal fellows.

00:59:12.760 It was the whole damn system, the whole system, the whole world.

00:59:17.520 And, you know, they thought they had it all sewed up.

00:59:20.380 They really, really did.

00:59:21.540 But now I think it's up to us to prove that they didn't.

00:59:26.140 And there are enough survivors that you can actually turn into warriors because that's what survivors do.

00:59:36.040 Well, that's what Epstein Justice is about.

00:59:40.720 There are survivors in our organization.

00:59:44.160 And actually, there's a number of survivors in our organization.

00:59:49.000 And they have the will and the courage to fight this fight.

00:59:54.180 Yes, they do.

00:59:54.680 We just need, at this point, we need people to come to our, sign up for our webinars.

01:00:01.260 And we need donations, too.

01:00:02.980 We're always, this is, evil always has all the money.

01:00:07.940 Yeah, they do.

01:00:08.900 That's how they get it.

01:00:10.520 Yeah.

01:00:10.860 And evil always has the money.

01:00:13.020 And when you get into money and Epstein, okay, so Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney in 1991.

01:00:20.800 He was the CEO of L Brands, which owned Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie Fitch and other very popular clothing lines.

01:00:31.160 And Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Epstein the keys to his kingdom.

01:00:37.420 I mean, power of attorney, Epstein could do whatever he wanted with Les Wexner's billion dollars or two billion, or I guess now it's four billion.

01:00:47.200 And this is kind of, actually, it's kind of humorous.

01:00:54.500 It's tragic, but it's somewhat humorous.

01:00:57.780 So, Vanity Fair said, and I can't, I'm not making this up.

01:01:06.160 So, Vanity Fair, which is a relatively sophisticated magazine, said that Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his vast fortune because he was lonely.

01:01:22.420 What a brilliant insight.

01:01:24.580 I mean, I mean, I mean, they do have some more insightful.

01:01:31.460 We know why he did it.

01:01:33.000 We know why he did it.

01:01:33.720 The difference between fact and fiction is fiction has to make some sense.

01:01:38.940 So.

01:01:40.340 Well, I mean, just the contempt that that's written with that, like, oh, the reader will, the reader is stupid enough to believe this.

01:01:48.440 The contempt for the reader is unbelievable.

01:01:50.960 But the other stuff that they were doing, Wexner and Epstein at his New Mexico compound, I mean, they were doing Nazi-like experiments on, you know, aborted fetuses to make themselves live longer, too.

01:02:13.500 And that's never included in, they went to the zenith of evil and ego.

01:02:21.080 Well, I do know, Julia Bryant has said, I've interviewed her a few times, Julia Bryant has said that she was at the New Mexico place and then she went unconscious.

01:02:31.880 I don't know why, but she woke up and she was in, like, an operating room.

01:02:36.040 And they were harvesting her ovums.

01:02:39.480 And.

01:02:39.700 Yeah, they liked the eggs.

01:02:41.060 And Epstein and Maxwell actually tried to get Virginia Guffrie to carry one of their, to carry a child to be a breeder.

01:02:47.420 So that's going on.

01:02:49.400 In 1996, Dolly the sheep was cloned.

01:02:54.040 And, and, and I just knew at that point, even before I got into all this crazy stuff, I just thought to myself, there's got to be megalomaniac billionaires out there cloning themselves.

01:03:05.300 Because if you can clone a sheep, you can clone a human.

01:03:08.260 It's pretty easy.

01:03:10.200 And it takes about $1.5 million to clone a human.

01:03:14.120 So it's, it's relatively easy.

01:03:17.520 Just have to take the DNA out of the egg and insert the DNA that you want and then give it electrical shock.

01:03:23.540 And then that starts the mitosis, the cell splitting.

01:03:26.460 So.

01:03:27.640 Crazy.

01:03:28.280 It's, it's, it's pretty easy to clone somebody.

01:03:32.260 I mean, the fact that they would.

01:03:36.520 I mean, just that kind of thinking is that they would regard.

01:03:39.840 Or, well, I do think that they regarded all of the working class as potential prey.

01:03:45.980 I mean, the daughters as potential prey.

01:03:49.720 But, you know, they also had their boys.

01:03:52.280 You know, they also ran boys.

01:03:53.820 And they, they also raped and trafficked boys.

01:04:01.140 And I get really upset when they leave that out of everything.

01:04:04.560 Well, that was the Franklin scandal.

01:04:06.220 Well, it was Republicans trafficking little boys and Epstein is Democrats trafficking little girls.

01:04:13.480 That.

01:04:14.080 Thank you.

01:04:15.500 And, I mean, that seems to be the, the real partisan divide.

01:04:19.400 I mean, unfortunately.

01:04:21.240 Yeah.

01:04:21.380 But we're, we're talking about money and, and Vanity Fair.

01:04:27.100 Leon Black, who was head of Apollo, was a billionaire, who was, Epstein was also providing him with minors.

01:04:34.000 He gave Jeffrey Epstein $160 million.

01:04:37.740 And now multiple media outlets reported this.

01:04:42.120 Leon Black gave Jeffrey Epstein $160 million because Jeffrey Epstein was helping him with his taxes.

01:04:48.340 I thought it was lonely.

01:04:53.220 It's changes.

01:04:54.080 No, that was somebody else.

01:04:55.620 No, I know.

01:04:56.080 I'm joking.

01:04:56.500 My God.

01:04:57.540 We know a lot.

01:04:58.180 I mean, a guy like Leon Black has a battalion of accountants.

01:05:02.540 But, you know, I initially thought it was all blackmail.

01:05:06.020 But I've come to think definitely blackmail.

01:05:09.320 But I think Epstein was laundering money, dirty money from the CIA or whatever.

01:05:15.380 That's what I mean.

01:05:15.940 I think that.

01:05:17.660 That's what it was.

01:05:18.560 I think he was a huge laundromat.

01:05:20.660 And he took his cut.

01:05:23.940 Yeah.

01:05:24.220 That's what I think.

01:05:25.440 Which was substantial.

01:05:26.700 I think it was far more than, you know, it was just all the criminal enterprises that the CIA and all the Five Eyes and all the intelligence.

01:05:36.560 I mean, that's just where all the criminals are.

01:05:39.040 All you have to do is call yourself a contractor or somebody in intelligence.

01:05:43.660 And, you know, it's like, you know, you have a pass for everything.

01:05:48.320 You're never going to be arrested.

01:05:49.620 You're never going to be called on the carpet.

01:05:53.000 Everything's covered by net security when you've got a pass.

01:05:56.500 The national security get out of jail free card gets played quite often.

01:06:01.820 And it was played with Epstein, for sure.

01:06:05.440 I mean, Alexander Acosta was told to back away because he was intelligent.

01:06:09.580 So the CIA would invariably, if Acosta had rebelled, I think the CIA would have invariably had to play its get out of free card.

01:06:19.620 Get out of jail free card.

01:06:21.960 Yeah.

01:06:22.560 He would have had to have shot himself several times in the back of the head, as they so often do.

01:06:29.520 The Clinton suicide.

01:06:30.580 Can I say something real quick?

01:06:31.740 Mind you mind?

01:06:32.260 Go for it.

01:06:32.940 I just want to point out a really important note.

01:06:35.160 And not to, it's my bias making me do this, but I still think it's important.

01:06:39.980 The divide and conquer strategy, because the American people, actually the world population, like you said, with Epsteinjustice.org, we do have powers.

01:06:49.200 So it's very important to the people, the evil people in power that are trafficking in children, to keep us divided.

01:06:54.300 And that is one of the things that we do here on the Roseanne Barr podcast, is we always fight against these tropes or these things that divide us.

01:07:02.420 We get a lot of heat for it.

01:07:03.800 But just be careful.

01:07:04.880 When you're mad at a certain group or a religious affiliation or a country, you are being played.

01:07:11.000 And me and my mom want you to understand that we have to focus, like my mom always says, the people at the top that are actually responsible for all the evil.

01:07:19.240 And I just wanted to say that.

01:07:20.660 Thank you for letting me do it.

01:07:21.900 Thanks, Sheik.

01:07:22.480 But it's so funny how so many of the people, well, we're talking about anti-Semitism because we're Jews.

01:07:28.680 One of many things.

01:07:29.840 That's one thing.

01:07:30.620 But it happens on everybody.

01:07:33.240 But it is one of the interesting things because the people leveling the charges against the Jews are themselves complicit in a far huger way than the Jews will ever be.

01:07:43.280 And I'm talking about the Catholic Church, the U.N., Octagon in Switzerland, and Islam itself.

01:07:52.400 I mean, come on.

01:07:53.920 They're infiltrated.

01:07:55.400 It really disgusts me.

01:07:56.420 And how easy it is for everybody to go down the same old medieval pathways that end in destruction of all, well, they're called Christian democracies, which is what they are.

01:08:09.500 But that's the takedown of every Christian democracy, and people don't seem to see that.

01:08:15.580 It makes me very angry.

01:08:18.000 And, you know, the fact that they tried to turn this into being an Israel operation, or as Klandis Owen says, Israel's operation really pisses me off.

01:08:30.720 Because, I mean, I know you don't want to say, but I will.

01:08:33.880 Well, the fucking royal family of England is complicit in Epstein Island, and, you know, the prince was there.

01:08:42.860 Come on.

01:08:43.860 Andrew.

01:08:44.480 I mean, they just, they don't want us to see all the way to the top.

01:08:48.340 They don't want us to look at Catholic charities and the trafficking of children across our borders, which they alone are responsible for.

01:08:55.980 They don't, they only want us to, they want to farm our minds so that we play into their, what I call the Fourth Reich.

01:09:05.180 And it is of a fascist world takeover, and they got to get rid of America because we stand in their way.

01:09:13.160 So that's why I'm happy to hear that there are Americans waking up that want, that know that America is all that stands in the way of worldwide fascism.

01:09:22.880 And that they know that we have the laws to protect ourselves and the world from it.

01:09:27.720 All we have to do is work it, like they say in AA.

01:09:31.580 It works if you work it, and we've got to work it.

01:09:35.620 Well said.

01:09:35.740 The United States has something that's really beautiful that a lot of countries don't have.

01:09:41.660 We have the First Amendment.

01:09:44.460 And all our freedoms are essentially predicated on the First Amendment.

01:09:48.880 Like the Second Amendment is to protect the First Amendment.

01:09:53.120 Come on.

01:09:53.960 Right?

01:09:54.580 And we have to come together as Americans.

01:09:59.160 I mean, our leaders are going to take us off a cliff.

01:10:04.180 That's right.

01:10:04.720 I really believe that.

01:10:05.360 They want to.

01:10:06.280 They're getting paid to do it.

01:10:08.680 During the...

01:10:09.700 Or they're blackmailed.

01:10:12.160 Yeah.

01:10:12.800 It's something that we...

01:10:14.440 But we have an opportunity.

01:10:16.640 I mean, I've been at this for 22 years.

01:10:19.440 I've published the...

01:10:20.280 I spent seven years on the Franklin scandal.

01:10:22.560 I traveled thousands of miles, spent all my money.

01:10:24.940 I mean, I published it and nothing.

01:10:27.000 Nothing happened.

01:10:27.760 Nobody wanted to touch it.

01:10:29.400 And now, with Epstein, I am seeing real change, real traction.

01:10:37.640 I mean, we even have, at this point, one U.S. congressman that's willing to vote with us

01:10:44.940 or vote for a congressional commission.

01:10:47.860 And I think that there's going to be a number of them that follow him shortly.

01:10:51.380 So I really believe, because there's been times in this battle over the last 22 years

01:10:59.260 where I've been eating a lot of chicken pot pies and been fairly broke.

01:11:03.080 And it's kind of amazing I've been able to make a living as a writer all these years.

01:11:07.460 I don't know.

01:11:08.280 I don't know how, but I have been.

01:11:10.240 But I see some real traction now.

01:11:13.900 And there have been times when I've been so despondent over this,

01:11:18.120 where I thought all this work that I've done was never going to reap any justice.

01:11:25.260 But now I'm starting to see it.

01:11:28.020 And with this current issue with Epstein, I think we can bring the right and the left together.

01:11:37.420 And we need to bring the right and the left together to the right place.

01:11:44.340 Not being all over the place about other countries and this and that and the other,

01:11:48.400 but our country right here, the center, the hub of child sex slavery, our country, our children right here.

01:11:57.080 And, you know, I've never done this before on my podcast because, you know, I just didn't feel right about it.

01:12:03.880 But I do feel right about asking my viewers to get involved and send contributions to this wonderful organization

01:12:13.320 and be part of it, educate yourself, get involved to work the laws of the United States of America

01:12:22.480 and get involved in deciding to care about the lives of children and get involved and stay involved.

01:12:33.400 And I have been for so many decades, and I'm so glad that I feel that there's finally movement, too.

01:12:41.140 So I want you to say again, what is the name?

01:12:44.140 It's the Epstein, EpsteinJustice.com.

01:12:48.120 It's pretty easy to remember.

01:12:49.660 Go to EpsteinJustice.com and register for our webinars.

01:12:54.320 Donations are really helpful.

01:12:56.440 There's a Change.org petition up that you can sign to.

01:12:59.840 That would be great.

01:13:01.300 And together we can do this.

01:13:04.840 Like I said, I'm really just happy with how things are coming together for us.

01:13:12.700 I mean, we still have a long way to go.

01:13:14.740 Don't get me wrong.

01:13:15.860 But I'm seeing change now.

01:13:18.680 And I'm seeing the left and the right come together over this issue.

01:13:22.820 And it's really wonderful.

01:13:25.740 And people are starting to come to Epstein Justice and actually register for our webinars.

01:13:33.800 And because together we can do this.

01:13:37.800 I mean, we don't have to take shit like we've been taking it.

01:13:43.460 I mean, we don't have to do it.

01:13:44.920 I just always imagine this great big, like we said, you know, Republicans traffic boys and Democrats traffic girls.

01:13:53.940 So it doesn't matter how you vote.

01:13:57.440 It's like there are so many victims out there and they're going through so much pain.

01:14:03.560 I know a lot of people who are drug addicts, who are alcoholics, who are in some kind of trouble, who are even in prison because of being molested.

01:14:11.580 You can take some power back by helping to do the right thing, by helping to be part of the change that this man has worked so hard for.

01:14:24.640 And the change that Dr. Lois Lee, Audra, Kathy O'Brien and, you know, Mary Flynn, so many people in America who's stood up from their couch and said, that's enough.

01:14:36.100 I have to do something.

01:14:38.040 Please be one of those people.

01:14:39.500 And I think if you could just take one thing out of society, if you took child abuse out of society, the prisons wouldn't be filled.

01:14:51.520 The psychiatric hospitals wouldn't be filled.

01:14:54.300 I mean, our society would look.

01:14:56.960 I mean, the percentage of people in prison that have been sexually abused is inordinate.

01:15:02.620 And same with psychiatric hospitals, too.

01:15:05.580 So we need, I mean, we're not going to be able to eradicate all of the child abuse here, but we're going to be able to, we got to start at the top.

01:15:15.540 We got to make sure that the government isn't involved in it.

01:15:18.180 And then we can, there's other vistas that we can go to and conquer.

01:15:23.940 I really.

01:15:24.460 We got to cut the head off.

01:15:26.760 That's really important.

01:15:28.440 And we just, as I said earlier, people have to do their jobs.

01:15:34.040 There can't be cover-up of child sexual abuse.

01:15:37.960 I mean, we, and at the local level.

01:15:40.760 And we need to have a law passed that the CIA and the FBI cannot use children in blackmail operations.

01:15:48.020 I mean, we passed a lot of laws like that.

01:15:50.320 And it isn't out of the question.

01:15:52.200 And it's ultimate sanity for the world.

01:15:55.420 And every, we need to pass those laws.

01:15:58.480 We need, actually, we need to enforce those laws.

01:16:02.280 You know, I mean, it's, there are so many laws that, well, we need to pass a law that if the laws aren't enforced, you're going to, you know, you know what I mean?

01:16:15.160 We have to have a law that anyone who doesn't enforce the law is in deep shit.

01:16:20.160 Yeah.

01:16:20.920 I'll be the first one to sign that.

01:16:23.680 I believe that.

01:16:24.480 Me too.

01:16:24.700 I have just seen so much judicial and law enforcement corruption over the last 22 years.

01:16:31.360 And it's really, it's appalling.

01:16:35.960 I'm glad that I'm still appalled by it.

01:16:39.500 So I'm not completely desensitized by it.

01:16:42.880 Me too.

01:16:43.640 I'm glad I'm still appalled too.

01:16:45.340 And I'm glad I'm still mad.

01:16:46.980 I've seen so many people go, I tried, but, you know, there's nothing we can do.

01:16:51.220 Well, there sure is.

01:16:52.340 That's it.

01:16:52.940 And there's everything we can do.

01:16:55.620 It's, Americans just have to believe in we the people.

01:16:59.900 That's all we have to do is believe in we the people and not hate people that are of different political persuasions.

01:17:08.560 I mean, that's all we have to do to come together on this.

01:17:11.800 That's it.

01:17:12.540 And we beat everything.

01:17:13.900 We beat everything.

01:17:14.580 And we can flush the rot and perfidiousness out of our political system.

01:17:21.060 And when, as I, you know, we started this conversation, when the Speaker of the House shuts down an investigation into a child trafficking network, that's, it doesn't get much worse than that.

01:17:37.560 I mean, that's mind boggling to me.

01:17:40.420 And yet he did that right, right, right in front of everybody.

01:17:43.760 Well, I'm amazed at what you told us, that he and his son monitor each other's pornography consumption.

01:17:53.800 I mean, oh, my God, these people.

01:17:56.920 That's pretty creepy.

01:17:57.800 Even if, even if you justify it off as like they're protecting whatever, there's, there's no world where that's not creepy as hell.

01:18:05.600 That's creepy as hell.

01:18:07.240 And there's no justification.

01:18:08.680 Can I ask you one last question?

01:18:10.140 I know we're wrapping up, but Trump, Bondi, Bongino, Cash, are, are we, we are, you're already, I'm pretty sure you're already going to agree with me.

01:18:22.440 I think we're wasting our time as Americans expecting them to step up and do it.

01:18:27.520 We have to do it, right?

01:18:28.620 We have to do it.

01:18:29.780 Right?

01:18:30.200 Yeah, we're not going to be able to.

01:18:31.820 I mean, you know, the Department of Justice and FBI released that strange document on July 6th that said that Epstein acted alone and really said, we don't believe you to hundreds of victims.

01:18:46.320 And that's really bad.

01:18:49.400 That's, that's, that's about as egregious as you can get.

01:18:52.020 So, yes, it's going to be up to we, the people.

01:18:55.420 And I, you know, the thing is, I believe in Americans.

01:18:59.520 I believe that we can do this.

01:19:01.520 I mean, we are an amazing society.

01:19:06.660 We are a melting pot.

01:19:08.120 And together we are the strongest nation, most powerful nation that's ever been.

01:19:14.900 And, and it's because of us Americans.

01:19:18.300 So we, we can do this.

01:19:20.120 Americans can do this.

01:19:23.340 Americans are the only hope that exists in the world for this.

01:19:28.240 Yeah.

01:19:28.880 The only hope in the world ever that it's come to this.

01:19:33.480 It seems like it's, it's meant to be.

01:19:38.520 I'd love to see a great big football stadium filled with victims.

01:19:43.780 And, you know, we speak truth to power.

01:19:47.640 I'd love to see that.

01:19:49.000 Or a big old march of like 40 million of us.

01:19:55.040 Well, that's what Epstein Justice wants to do.

01:19:59.120 We definitely plan on demonstrations for sure.

01:20:02.020 We know that there's going to be some politicians that aren't going to change because they're so compromised, regardless of how much we shame them.

01:20:08.260 But you get a million or 2 million people in Washington, D.C., and that does something.

01:20:16.140 The civil rights movement wasn't an easy thing, but we did it.

01:20:22.480 Women's rights wasn't an easy thing, but we did it.

01:20:26.080 Gay rights wasn't an easy thing, but we did it.

01:20:29.320 Workers' rights weren't an easy thing, but we did it.

01:20:32.500 And we can do that with children now.

01:20:35.040 I mean, I really believe we can come together and do that with children.

01:20:38.940 God bless you.

01:20:39.780 Well, let's do it.

01:20:40.440 Let's do it.

01:20:41.900 We're committed to it.

01:20:43.860 And I know you are.

01:20:44.840 I know a lot of people.

01:20:46.160 I'm hooking people up that I know with each other.

01:20:49.140 I know like, you know, Dr. Lee is too.

01:20:51.820 We all are.

01:20:53.040 And here's to 2026.

01:20:55.960 Thank you so much for coming on my podcast.

01:20:58.920 We enjoyed having you as our guest.

01:21:00.660 Thank you so much for inviting me.

01:21:02.140 It's been great.

01:21:04.480 Thank you, Nick, for all you do.

01:21:06.160 I mean, I know you've been above party and fighting this a long time, and it's very commendable.

01:21:11.480 I'm in awe.

01:21:13.040 So thank you.

01:21:13.560 Thank you.

01:21:15.320 Hail, hail, hero.

01:21:16.720 Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.

01:21:27.520 With this synthetic world.

01:21:32.140 We're limited.

01:21:33.680 Hi, I'm Chris Gethard, and I'm very excited to tell you about Beautiful Anonymous, a podcast

01:21:38.460 where I talk to random people on the phone.

01:21:40.860 I tweet out a phone number.

01:21:42.100 Thousands of people try to call.

01:21:43.520 I talk to one of them.

01:21:44.340 They stay anonymous.

01:21:45.360 I can't hang up.

01:21:46.340 That's all the rules.

01:21:47.360 I never know what's going to happen.

01:21:48.900 We get serious ones.

01:21:50.320 I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison.

01:21:52.320 I've talked to people who survive mass shootings.

01:21:54.540 Crazy funny ones.

01:21:55.460 I talk to a guy with a goose laugh.

01:21:57.020 Somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends.

01:21:59.320 I never know what's going to happen.

01:22:00.860 It's a great show.

01:22:02.100 Subscribe today.

01:22:03.140 Beautiful Anonymous.

The Roseanne Barr Podcast - August 01, 2025

Blackmail Nation： The Epstein Cover-Up with Nick Bryant ｜ The Roseane Barr Podcast #109

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