The Roseanne Barr Podcast - Calling Out the Right’s Vultures with Katie Hopkins

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00:01:00.380 Greetings, Earthlings, and humans, and others.

00:01:04.640 Nephilim, Gaborim, what are they, Jake?

00:01:08.700 Anunnaki, Nazis.

00:01:11.080 Nazis.

00:01:11.640 They're a big fan of ours now.

00:01:13.760 What have you, whatever.

00:01:15.660 Whoever, you know, God sent here to hear us today.

00:01:19.460 Welcome.

00:01:19.920 Clones.

00:01:22.060 I forgot clones.

00:01:23.160 Everybody who wants to hear what we're talking about here on the Roseanne Show.

00:01:29.080 And especially animals, the most genius of all beings,

00:01:33.480 the highest intelligence on the planet,

00:01:35.260 because they don't need to be manipulated.

00:01:38.040 They don't need bullshit to feel the joy of life.

00:01:40.720 They're highly more intelligent than the human being.

00:01:44.600 Uh, so anyway, um, excited.

00:01:48.400 Today's going to be a real banger for sure.

00:01:51.060 Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.

00:01:53.260 Oh, you see, my patience is growing thin.

00:01:59.800 Well, you know, well, you know how I love talking to geniuses.

00:02:03.180 That is my life.

00:02:04.300 And on this podcast, do I love it?

00:02:06.340 They are rare and far between, especially the women geniuses, far and few between,

00:02:15.060 and rare, rare, rare.

00:02:17.100 Well, we got one today, one of the OG women geniuses on the planet,

00:02:21.880 who has paid the price for being a woman genius.

00:02:26.160 And not just a genius, but I, uh, I don't even know how to say it.

00:02:30.600 A, uh, fearless genius standing up for truth and, uh, righteousness, too.

00:02:41.920 Katie Hopkins!

00:02:43.720 Hi, Katie!

00:02:44.920 Hi, lovely lady.

00:02:46.280 I'm so happy to be here.

00:02:47.640 Oh, you are just so great.

00:02:49.540 We admire you so much.

00:02:51.040 We've been, uh, wanting to have you on the podcast for so long.

00:02:55.220 And then we heard you were in town at Laura, Laura, Lara Logan's.

00:03:00.560 I can't say that right either.

00:03:01.900 I always say Laura, but it's Lara.

00:03:03.180 I say Laura, or I say Lara, but it's Lara, isn't it?

00:03:06.720 Lara?

00:03:07.300 You have to go really low with that, yeah.

00:03:08.820 Yeah, it's Australian.

00:03:10.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:10.860 Lara, Lara, Lara.

00:03:13.600 Lara.

00:03:14.220 Isn't she a beauty?

00:03:15.700 She's a genius, too.

00:03:16.900 She reminds me of, I don't know, probably this isn't very complimentary,

00:03:21.040 but it's not intended any other way.

00:03:22.740 But I, there's a film my husband and son love, and it's Stifler's Mom.

00:03:29.400 I haven't seen it.

00:03:30.540 You know, Stifler's Mom.

00:03:30.920 Is it American?

00:03:32.140 You discovered Jennifer Coolidge.

00:03:33.920 Yeah.

00:03:34.380 Oh, Jennifer Coolidge.

00:03:35.360 Yeah, you discovered her.

00:03:36.580 Yeah, I did discover her character in that movie.

00:03:37.840 In an earlier iteration.

00:03:39.380 But when she's Stifler's Mom, she just basically oozes sexuality,

00:03:43.720 and young boys are desperate to bang her all the time.

00:03:47.640 And she sort of arrives and falls out of her clothing in a great way

00:03:52.680 whilst smoking on a long cigarette.

00:03:56.360 And that's what, when she walked, Lara, do we say that each time now?

00:04:00.580 I don't know.

00:04:01.160 But when she walked around the corner yesterday, I was like,

00:04:03.700 oh, my God, it's Stifler's Mom.

00:04:05.600 She is that.

00:04:06.620 She is that character.

00:04:07.940 Oh, just oozing out of a glass.

00:04:09.980 Yeah.

00:04:10.980 She has huge bazookas.

00:04:12.860 Huge bazookas.

00:04:14.040 And I just want to put my head in them.

00:04:16.200 So I spent, like, I was supposed to be talking to her about things she was saying,

00:04:20.300 but my mind did think I would just like to put my head in those and just,

00:04:24.160 which they call, what do they call that?

00:04:26.880 Motorboating.

00:04:27.440 Yeah, I want to motorboat that.

00:04:29.320 I do, because I feel like if anyone ever,

00:04:31.520 no one has ever tried to motorboat me in my life because they're just so small.

00:04:36.280 Yeah.

00:04:36.520 Mine, I think they didn't try to motorboat me, but I had them.

00:04:40.320 Well, before, because, you know, they would have suffocated.

00:04:44.100 But then I had them reduced.

00:04:46.240 Oh, you did.

00:04:46.720 So they probably could safely motorboat me now.

00:04:49.480 But because I don't, you know, because I'm loathe of human touch,

00:04:53.780 I wouldn't let them.

00:04:54.620 It wouldn't.

00:04:55.020 No, you wouldn't engage with that now.

00:04:56.620 No.

00:04:56.920 But historically it would have been more of a cruise ship situation.

00:05:01.740 Yeah.

00:05:04.960 And mine would have been like little inflatable rubber dinghy.

00:05:08.160 Yeah, I don't know.

00:05:12.300 I don't know quite how.

00:05:13.340 Oh, yeah.

00:05:13.920 No, she's just, she just oozes like, I don't know, womanliness.

00:05:18.920 Yeah.

00:05:19.520 She really does.

00:05:20.240 I'm kind of fascinated by it because I don't have any of that.

00:05:24.500 You know, I'm much more masculine.

00:05:25.700 I'm much more manly in my way.

00:05:27.540 I feel a bit manly.

00:05:28.540 Whatever.

00:05:28.940 Some people think I'm trans.

00:05:30.080 I couldn't care.

00:05:30.760 But she just feels like, she just looks like woman.

00:05:34.380 What I imagine woman should be.

00:05:34.840 She's very womanly.

00:05:36.380 Womanly, yeah.

00:05:37.120 And then you sit down with her and this immaculate intelligence shows up.

00:05:42.000 Yeah.

00:05:42.680 It's crazy.

00:05:43.700 Understanding depth, knowledge, first-hand stuff.

00:05:46.900 Yeah.

00:05:47.060 First-house accounts of all sorts of things.

00:05:49.400 I like that you said you are very, you know, you have a masculine streak.

00:05:54.560 So masculine.

00:05:55.280 Yeah.

00:05:55.640 I think I do, too.

00:05:57.040 Yeah.

00:05:57.540 Yeah.

00:05:58.040 I feel like I see it.

00:05:59.440 Like, for me, also, it's slightly physical.

00:06:01.440 You seem like kind of more like female than me.

00:06:04.000 But people, when they, when, you know, for the longest time, of course, I've been hated

00:06:08.460 or mocked or whatever.

00:06:09.980 And that's perfectly fine.

00:06:11.200 But one of the things I get a lot now, even, now that I'm sort of somewhat redeemed for some

00:06:16.260 reason, is that I'm trans.

00:06:18.400 And I don't actually see it as offensive, because I see it.

00:06:22.040 Like, I see it.

00:06:23.440 I have no boobs.

00:06:24.760 I'm kind of, you know, tougher appearing.

00:06:27.560 And I have this low voice.

00:06:29.560 And I totally see it.

00:06:32.120 I just, I'm not.

00:06:33.260 Although I do say, I mean, I don't know to what depths of depravity we want to go to today.

00:06:38.960 All the depths?

00:06:40.100 All of the depths.

00:06:40.740 All of the depths.

00:06:41.120 That was permission I just got.

00:06:43.000 I used to talk to Carrie Fisher about it.

00:06:45.760 And she said, you know, we would always talk about how we had a masculine side to our riding

00:06:52.740 and our being and stuff.

00:06:54.660 And our way.

00:06:55.300 Yeah.

00:06:55.780 And well, they say in life that your nose and your ears keeps growing, right?

00:07:00.200 Right.

00:07:00.460 Which means by the time if I survive any longer, I'm going to look like a bloody African elephant,

00:07:05.380 which pisses me off.

00:07:06.480 But the other thing is that there's other bits of me that are still growing south.

00:07:12.260 Yeah, I know.

00:07:13.160 Yeah.

00:07:13.640 So what I'm just going to say on the trans thing is these days I do have to decide whether

00:07:17.700 to dress left or right.

00:07:19.400 I know.

00:07:19.860 I know exactly what you mean.

00:07:21.360 They have a point.

00:07:22.300 What did I say before about my vaginal lips that the...

00:07:27.000 Oh, you say your vaginal lining is the only thing skinny and thin on you.

00:07:31.880 No, that is true.

00:07:33.220 But I also said...

00:07:34.520 I love that you consulted your son for what you may have said about your vag.

00:07:38.660 That's why I'm here.

00:07:39.580 Yeah.

00:07:40.220 Son, what have I said about my vag?

00:07:42.040 And I also said that my growing vaginal lips, they hang in the toilet.

00:07:46.260 They're so long now.

00:07:47.020 Thank you.

00:07:47.200 So you and I have...

00:07:48.460 I mean, I think we're basically the same person in terms of...

00:07:51.560 I do too.

00:07:52.200 And when I read your Wikipedia page, I was astounded because I'm like, this bitch has

00:07:58.800 done even more offensive things than me and lived through it.

00:08:02.600 Yeah.

00:08:02.620 But I feel like we're the same, as in same age, same everything.

00:08:05.560 Because, yeah, this whole lip situation, mine, so I can't wear a legging now.

00:08:12.660 No.

00:08:13.420 Because of the camel toe?

00:08:14.680 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Well, it's not a camel toe.

00:08:16.580 It's more of a sandwich.

00:08:17.400 It must be sandwich.

00:08:17.760 It's more of a full claw.

00:08:18.860 I don't think we needed your contribution right at that moment.

00:08:21.220 Thank you, son.

00:08:22.900 But, like, you know, it's really grasping.

00:08:25.500 And it's like, you know those trees?

00:08:27.000 Are they called banyan trees?

00:08:28.620 Oh, banyan?

00:08:29.500 Thank you so much.

00:08:30.480 I have no idea what I'm talking about.

00:08:32.140 And they send down limbs to the ground.

00:08:34.560 That's what I think my clunge is doing.

00:08:36.740 Yeah.

00:08:37.240 Clunge.

00:08:37.420 I think it's clunge.

00:08:38.880 I love that.

00:08:39.820 You can really...

00:08:41.180 Yeah.

00:08:41.800 German.

00:08:42.220 Clunge.

00:08:42.620 It's not German around here.

00:08:44.140 Clunge.

00:08:44.640 It's sending down branches.

00:08:46.360 And I don't know what vitamins it needs from the soil, because I would just put them in

00:08:51.500 my mouth if it would tell me.

00:08:53.560 But these things are out of control.

00:08:55.380 Yeah.

00:08:55.720 Truly.

00:08:56.440 Yeah.

00:08:56.800 Definitely.

00:08:57.500 It's restricting what I can wear.

00:08:59.240 And the pubes are just...

00:09:01.060 They grow down to your knees now.

00:09:02.640 Oh, for sure.

00:09:03.560 All down to your legs and everything.

00:09:05.300 And there's no need to shave them.

00:09:06.280 And it's less like you used to shave your legs, right?

00:09:08.060 Yeah.

00:09:08.180 Now you have to decide some things, don't you?

00:09:10.380 You've got to get an extra razor for the job.

00:09:12.460 Yeah.

00:09:12.960 And now, you know, once you hit 50, how old are you now?

00:09:16.920 72.

00:09:17.740 So I feel the same age as you, like legitimately 100%.

00:09:21.060 And people have always said I look old.

00:09:22.840 And I've always felt older than I am.

00:09:24.960 But like you used to have to shave like back in the day when you made an effort, like...

00:09:29.460 When you wanted to live.

00:09:30.800 Oh, when you wanted to like have a boyfriend or like maybe try and get married or get someone

00:09:35.400 to ask you to marry them.

00:09:37.180 Like you'd shave your legs, wouldn't you?

00:09:38.500 Yeah.

00:09:38.600 You'd do other things as well.

00:09:39.760 Oh, I would never do that.

00:09:45.540 Which coincidentally, it's sort of taken us on a bit of a tangent.

00:09:51.220 But it's a story I like, which I haven't shared.

00:09:53.380 But how I passed my driving test was exactly that.

00:09:57.020 Oh, in a lay-by.

00:09:58.260 Yeah, never drove the car.

00:09:59.880 That's amazing.

00:10:00.560 Yeah, true story.

00:10:01.940 Got to the first lay-by.

00:10:03.380 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:10:04.480 You mean to your instructor?

00:10:06.540 I would hope the instructor.

00:10:07.800 That's how you passed?

00:10:08.840 Yeah, I still can't reverse park now.

00:10:11.640 So I can let you hop in.

00:10:14.060 That's a bit good.

00:10:19.460 So, yeah.

00:10:20.740 These bits of me are long.

00:10:23.200 And so I do feel...

00:10:24.400 I, you know, I feel masculine and I think I'm quite...

00:10:28.040 I have a masculine sense of humor.

00:10:29.960 Yeah.

00:10:30.420 So, which is probably also what we...

00:10:32.700 Yeah.

00:10:32.980 Because I don't find women, women that funny.

00:10:36.020 I don't either.

00:10:37.080 No.

00:10:37.360 For fuck's sake.

00:10:38.700 It's so tired.

00:10:40.260 Oh, isn't it?

00:10:41.380 Yeah.

00:10:41.700 It's just...

00:10:41.980 It's just tired.

00:10:43.060 The victim thing.

00:10:44.320 It's protest.

00:10:44.820 Fringling on the edge of things and sort of being...

00:10:49.500 What's the word where you do the double entendre shit?

00:10:54.540 I hate that.

00:10:55.160 I hate that crap.

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00:11:56.560 Yeah.

00:11:56.700 And also the sort of...

00:11:59.020 I'm so...

00:12:00.140 Because I'm really like, I'm going in for the trans thing and my labia really long,

00:12:03.920 but I'm not trying to be the, oh, look at me, I'm so feminist, I'm making myself deliberately

00:12:09.120 ugly.

00:12:10.400 You know, that kind of funny female, I don't get that at all.

00:12:14.900 There was one bitch at the Edinburgh Fringe and she was bleating on about how she hadn't

00:12:19.440 sold a single ticket.

00:12:20.940 But like on her bio, it says like female, vegan, gluten-free, lactose intolerant, ADHD-surviving,

00:12:28.560 pro-Palestine activist.

00:12:30.300 And you're like, yeah, really?

00:12:31.560 That's fucking hilarious.

00:12:32.960 Right there, I'd go to that show.

00:12:34.540 It looks like a hoot.

00:12:36.320 You know?

00:12:36.760 Oh, the Edinburgh Fringe.

00:12:38.260 That's where...

00:12:38.940 Oh, there you go.

00:12:39.460 Edinburgh.

00:12:40.060 Edinburgh.

00:12:40.740 Sorry, I forgot the connect.

00:12:42.300 Oh my God, they tried to get me to come over there for several years and I was like...

00:12:46.760 Did you tell them to stick it up their ass?

00:12:48.080 I'm like, you guys ain't funny.

00:12:49.960 You're not funny.

00:12:50.580 Where do comics go over there?

00:12:52.360 You're not funny.

00:12:53.360 I love that.

00:12:53.660 I love you so much.

00:12:54.360 Nobody's funny there.

00:12:55.100 Oh, but they're all, it's such, it's a mafia.

00:12:58.280 Yeah, it is.

00:12:58.900 It's a clique.

00:12:59.480 It is.

00:12:59.900 And they want to stay inside the clique.

00:13:02.660 And this year, so two of the Jewish stand-ups, they had their shows canceled because of course

00:13:09.140 the staff wouldn't feel safe, which is the bullshit excuse for just...

00:13:12.780 Of Jewish stand-up comics.

00:13:14.060 Right?

00:13:15.860 Isn't that great?

00:13:16.960 Right?

00:13:17.360 And so, but, you know, which is obviously ridiculous in and of itself, but the rest of the comedians

00:13:22.560 up there in the fringe turned their backs so that they would be allowed to continue with

00:13:28.660 their show.

00:13:29.100 And that's why I look at them and go, you call yourself a stand-up, like, you spineless

00:13:34.020 asshole.

00:13:34.940 Yeah, they are.

00:13:35.720 And I mean, they're, you can imagine their jokes because they knew, they probably knew

00:13:41.200 the Jews were funnier.

00:13:42.700 I mean, all those people, like, they go on strike because they hate funny.

00:13:47.740 Yeah.

00:13:48.040 They hate funny.

00:13:49.060 That's why they always call it alternative comedy, which means it isn't funny.

00:13:53.200 It isn't funny.

00:13:54.360 And they just, yeah, they just sit there almost sort of self-congratulating is what it feels

00:14:00.580 like.

00:14:01.060 It's chronic masturbation.

00:14:03.400 That's all it is.

00:14:04.280 That's so funny.

00:14:04.840 I was about to say, let's all sit together and wank each other off.

00:14:07.440 That is what it is.

00:14:08.540 Yeah.

00:14:08.860 And they come out of their feeling like, oh, that was good.

00:14:11.040 We all had a wank.

00:14:12.720 Yeah.

00:14:13.120 And then we look in from the outside and go, oh my God.

00:14:16.260 And they're like, let's talk about the irony, the irony of us being privileged and speaking

00:14:22.860 for the oppressed.

00:14:24.920 Thank you and good night.

00:14:26.440 We'll be here all week.

00:14:29.000 Fucking hate those people.

00:14:30.320 Yeah.

00:14:30.760 And same with like the Emmy Awards, right?

00:14:32.680 The whole.

00:14:33.080 Oh my God.

00:14:33.640 The Emmy Awards was a fucking horror from hell.

00:14:36.880 Did it trigger you to death?

00:14:38.560 I didn't even.

00:14:39.280 I never watched anything because I mean, they're all like child molesters and.

00:14:43.920 Sycophantic.

00:14:44.800 Oh, just.

00:14:45.600 All right.

00:14:45.820 She didn't even watch the one where you won the Emmy.

00:14:47.640 You weren't even there.

00:14:49.760 Yeah.

00:14:50.120 Way back.

00:14:50.580 I didn't even go.

00:14:51.760 And then the one time I won.

00:14:54.400 God damn it.

00:14:54.840 Did you wish you'd gone?

00:14:57.020 Afterwards, I wished I had gone.

00:14:59.120 Yes.

00:14:59.580 Because I had my speech.

00:15:01.460 Yes, you should have gone.

00:15:02.300 Yeah, I should have gone.

00:15:03.200 You should have just done.

00:15:03.520 Because I had my speech.

00:15:04.440 It was going to go.

00:15:06.480 I would like to thank me.

00:15:08.960 Oh, and I forgot.

00:15:10.800 I'd also like to thank myself.

00:15:13.320 And oh, I'd like to thank I.

00:15:17.000 Thank you and good night.

00:15:18.460 You should have done it.

00:15:20.300 Yeah, and you know you should have done it now.

00:15:21.700 But I was so hated by then.

00:15:22.840 I didn't want to be around them.

00:15:24.360 No.

00:15:24.560 They hated me like they hate you.

00:15:26.500 Don't they just hate fucking funny, smart women?

00:15:29.840 It's a fucking jag off.

00:15:32.500 It's just a jack off club.

00:15:34.720 They despise funny, smart women.

00:15:37.420 Yeah.

00:15:38.140 So for the longest time, so I was most hated woman in, you know, biggest bitch in Britain.

00:15:43.360 Most hated woman, la, la, la.

00:15:44.820 And then there's been this weird in the last five years amongst decent, ordinary people

00:15:50.000 who've had enough that I've had this kind of redemption where I'm allowed to exist.

00:15:54.360 And not only that, they'll come and sell out everything I do, which has just been I'm so

00:15:58.620 bloody lucky to have lived long enough to have that bit.

00:16:02.500 But the being actually hated by everyone and the understanding through people that didn't

00:16:07.300 question it or just went along with it was, yes, she's hated because she's a bitch and

00:16:11.360 she's terrible and you could spit at her in the street.

00:16:13.860 And that hatred just was permeated everywhere.

00:16:17.720 And I was never of the inclination to try and correct the record.

00:16:21.620 I never, some friends would say of friends, but they'd say, we should try and let people

00:16:26.740 see the real you.

00:16:27.560 If they saw the real you, they'd really like you.

00:16:29.700 And actually, I always thought, well, fuck them.

00:16:31.920 Yeah.

00:16:31.980 You know, I don't mean it, doesn't mean it did it.

00:16:35.760 It wasn't awful.

00:16:36.960 It's awful.

00:16:38.220 It's like awful.

00:16:39.960 You can't walk into a restaurant with your kids because you can't risk that someone will

00:16:44.520 be mean because you don't want your kids to feel hurt by the treatment of you because

00:16:49.000 they know the real you and you're not an asshole.

00:16:51.340 They know you're just a nice, regular person.

00:16:54.400 But there was a big part of me that used to just think, no, I'm not going to correct you.

00:16:59.080 I know who I am.

00:17:00.520 Yeah.

00:17:01.380 That's a lot of strength.

00:17:02.720 Yeah.

00:17:03.220 And that's where I went to for 10 or so years was sometimes lying on the floor of our house,

00:17:09.080 just not knowing how I was going to get it up, but at least being able to go, or maybe

00:17:13.500 one of my kids would be like, you know who you are.

00:17:15.500 And I'd be like, yeah, okay.

00:17:17.300 Yeah.

00:17:17.780 But, and now.

00:17:20.460 Are you a believer?

00:17:23.180 Yes.

00:17:24.100 Did you get strength from that?

00:17:26.280 Yes.

00:17:26.520 But in a, in a sort of, um, I believe I'm certain of lots of things.

00:17:32.900 I'm not in any way trying to convince anyone else.

00:17:36.560 Yeah.

00:17:36.860 Of what I'm certain of.

00:17:37.940 But you have the strength inside.

00:17:39.620 Yeah.

00:17:39.740 I know that my end day is already decided for sure.

00:17:45.200 I know that, um, your path in life, I think is already set.

00:17:50.900 Like for me to be here today, I would definitely believe that's supposed to happen.

00:17:55.080 Oh yeah.

00:17:55.460 Because how would you be just up the road at the same time as, as, as, how would you cross

00:17:59.760 paths with like, and then blah.

00:18:01.640 Like, so I believe all that's set.

00:18:03.160 And I believe the more that you, which I did arrive here without a plan, really, the clearer

00:18:09.820 your path becomes if you just follow it.

00:18:12.320 And sometimes you're not sure of it.

00:18:14.040 And sometimes it seems like it might be the wrong path.

00:18:16.060 Well, you have to accept that as well.

00:18:17.760 Right.

00:18:18.000 So it's that kind of faith.

00:18:19.420 It's a very kind of open, fluid thing.

00:18:21.740 Yeah.

00:18:21.920 It might be over forgiving and over permissive.

00:18:25.020 And, uh, many people I'm sure would disagree with much of my life and consider it to be

00:18:29.780 not conservative or Catholic or Christian or whatever the correct thing is at all.

00:18:34.560 But, uh, I know I'm a big believer in all that.

00:18:37.440 Just because you blew your driving instructor?

00:18:39.340 I blew my driving instructor.

00:18:41.260 I stole people's husbands.

00:18:42.840 You know, I have a track record of being quite unsavory.

00:18:45.920 Yeah.

00:18:46.120 In certain departments.

00:18:47.360 One of my favorite things you did is to, um, gain and lose 30 pounds just to show obese

00:18:55.540 people how easy it was to go on a diet.

00:18:57.920 What a cow.

00:18:59.000 Can you even imagine?

00:19:00.860 What a bitch.

00:19:02.460 So what, what happened?

00:19:04.480 And did it on TV because what?

00:19:07.580 Fat people, because of fat acceptance?

00:19:09.900 Well, there was a whole other thing.

00:19:11.500 This is where I love you so much.

00:19:14.020 I remember this.

00:19:14.700 Oh my God.

00:19:15.520 So what had I done?

00:19:17.600 I'd done something and they were, they were wanting ideas off me in.

00:19:23.440 I, so, so the UK, we have this healthcare system that you just always pay in, right?

00:19:29.380 Everyone pays in all the time, but you never really kind of use it yourself if you take

00:19:33.260 a little bit of care of yourself, really.

00:19:34.820 But unless, you know, all things can happen to anyone, of course.

00:19:37.500 But like, so certain people just eat themselves to the size of a market planet, but then have

00:19:42.280 no conception of why they might be fat.

00:19:45.020 Like, not my business.

00:19:46.000 You're fat.

00:19:47.020 Not my problem.

00:19:47.800 Not my business.

00:19:48.500 You want to be fat?

00:19:49.140 Brilliant.

00:19:49.600 You'd be as fat as you want to be.

00:19:51.240 But equally, don't say, oh, I need a new hip because I've got bad hips.

00:19:56.180 No, you're a fat ass to pay for your hip.

00:19:58.780 Or like, oh, fat, being fat runs in my family, you know?

00:20:02.980 No, it doesn't.

00:20:03.920 Nothing has ever run in your fucking family.

00:20:06.060 That's half the issue, right?

00:20:07.300 Like, so fat people kind of piss me off because they wouldn't own their shit.

00:20:11.220 I'm so big on owning, you know, I own everything that's ever happened to me.

00:20:15.680 The worst picking up a cunt award.

00:20:18.800 I own all of that because I brought it on myself.

00:20:21.920 So that's really my sort of founding principle is own everything that happens to you because

00:20:26.580 it's a lot better that way.

00:20:28.040 So that was my thing.

00:20:28.800 And I went into it, you know, how it goes with production.

00:20:32.360 And they were like, so have you got any ideas?

00:20:34.240 And I was like, you know what?

00:20:35.060 Fat people are pissing me off.

00:20:36.380 You know what I'm going to do?

00:20:37.780 I'm going to put on half my body weight in three months.

00:20:40.840 I'm going to lose it again just to show that if you did want to do something, you could.

00:20:44.640 And they went, great.

00:20:47.100 And it was commissioned in two weeks, which you'll know never happens.

00:20:51.460 So, yeah, I did it.

00:20:52.420 And if I hadn't been filmed, I would have absolutely failed and dropped out because

00:20:56.600 it was disgusting.

00:20:58.280 It was the most disgusting thing.

00:21:01.320 What, to gain 30 pounds?

00:21:02.680 Oh, my God.

00:21:03.360 Well, it was 40, close to 40 in the end.

00:21:05.960 So, yeah, I went from what we would say 10 stone, you know, up to nearly 15 stone.

00:21:11.900 So, like, half of me again.

00:21:14.380 And I had this great idea, like, it was all going to go on my tits.

00:21:16.940 I was like, yeah, this is going to be great.

00:21:18.580 And I started looking at bras and things thinking like, you know, I have a bit of a boob thing.

00:21:24.000 But it didn't.

00:21:24.800 It all went here.

00:21:25.860 Yeah.

00:21:26.100 And this massive gunt, this huge gunt that started from here and just went out, down,

00:21:33.840 and then in a round just above my vag, which I lost sight of for that time.

00:21:41.760 It was terrible.

00:21:43.360 Yeah.

00:21:43.700 What did you eat?

00:21:44.560 Well, everything all the time.

00:21:46.380 You had to get in, you know, five or six big meals.

00:21:50.300 So, you go to bed sick, wake up sick, eat more sick.

00:21:54.660 What's that like, Mom?

00:21:55.860 It's just a lot of puking.

00:21:57.080 Yeah, you probably have no idea about any of that at all.

00:22:00.900 I imagine being such a healthy person as yourself.

00:22:04.440 Well, I go up and down, like, it's just too much.

00:22:09.520 But this is small, you now, right?

00:22:10.860 Well, kind of, medium me.

00:22:12.380 You look small.

00:22:12.940 I've been smaller, but, yeah, I have the obsession for food, though.

00:22:17.140 Do you?

00:22:17.340 It's the obsession.

00:22:18.800 Yeah.

00:22:19.160 Can you still eat it now or you can't eat it?

00:22:21.280 Not now.

00:22:22.100 No.

00:22:22.700 But when I get into the hibernation mode, where I don't come out of my room, and it's just

00:22:27.700 all about food.

00:22:28.860 Yeah, but then how do you get the food?

00:22:30.400 Do you bring it?

00:22:31.880 No, I'll go to the store.

00:22:33.140 You'll go to the store and get it.

00:22:34.520 Yeah, or deliver it in.

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00:23:46.720 And then you'll just eat it.

00:23:48.160 Oh, I'll just won't stop.

00:23:49.800 Just put it in, put it in.

00:23:51.000 Just me.

00:23:52.220 Just me and my food.

00:23:54.100 Nice.

00:23:54.460 I thought you said just meat, and I was like, that's kind of Texan sexy, but actually you said

00:23:58.580 just you.

00:23:59.380 Yeah, just me and my carbs.

00:24:00.360 Anything with sugar and carbs.

00:24:03.180 Yeah, so if you went to the store, like if you were about to go into hibernation like a winter bear,

00:24:08.340 and you went to the, where would you go, CVS?

00:24:11.860 No, I'd go to the big grocery store.

00:24:14.240 What aisle would you hit?

00:24:17.520 Bread.

00:24:18.180 Bread.

00:24:19.100 Anything bread.

00:24:20.220 Pizza.

00:24:21.300 No, pizza, cheese, you know.

00:24:23.500 Cheesy bready.

00:24:24.080 Yeah, cheesy bready with, you know, mayo, a lot of mayo.

00:24:29.280 Yeah.

00:24:29.700 You know, anything fat, carb, sugary.

00:24:32.880 Pork.

00:24:34.320 Pork.

00:24:34.940 No, you love pork.

00:24:35.920 I do, I love pork.

00:24:37.080 Yeah, well.

00:24:37.700 Yeah.

00:24:38.820 Because I'm so devout Jewish.

00:24:41.560 Well, well done.

00:24:42.100 That's you.

00:24:42.760 I've always had the obsession for pork since I was severely punished for eating it as a child by my grandmother who explained to me why Jews can't eat pork.

00:24:53.680 And it resulted in a horrendous obsession for pork.

00:24:58.680 But, yeah, just big sandwiches, big old sandwiches.

00:25:03.420 You'll do the whole thing.

00:25:04.460 I love potato chips, fries, you know.

00:25:07.900 And is there some kind of like, if you go into that hibernation with that bag of groceries, is there some sort of like, it's actually a little bit comfortable.

00:25:16.640 Oh, yeah.

00:25:17.420 Because you're like, here I go.

00:25:18.580 It's wonderful.

00:25:19.540 You're getting on that bus.

00:25:20.620 Oh, hell yeah.

00:25:21.340 Yeah.

00:25:21.800 Going down the rabbit hole on the internet of every freaking thing.

00:25:24.600 Yeah, just accepting that you're going to.

00:25:26.380 You didn't feel that when you did the weight gain?

00:25:30.340 It wasn't fun at all.

00:25:31.140 No, the weight gain, I hated.

00:25:33.400 It was work.

00:25:33.680 I was a cow.

00:25:35.060 I was awful to Lovely Mark.

00:25:37.320 And Lovely Mark was like, I don't get it.

00:25:38.820 Anytime you've been told to do something or you said you're going to do something, you just do it.

00:25:42.200 I don't get it.

00:25:42.980 What's your problem?

00:25:44.000 And that made it worse.

00:25:45.400 Yeah.

00:25:45.800 Because this was different.

00:25:46.800 This wasn't like, oh, I'll train to do a marathon.

00:25:50.060 I'll train to do something tough.

00:25:51.260 I'll beat these guys doing that.

00:25:52.720 I'll beat these.

00:25:53.220 This was making myself disgusting and I hated it.

00:25:56.960 Yeah.

00:25:57.260 So I was a cow.

00:25:58.960 And at one point he got a pick, which I really hated him for as well.

00:26:02.580 Because the production company said to him, look, if you can get any private videos of her, that'd be just, you can imagine the content of that.

00:26:10.720 Well, I was on the sofa couch and I had my massive gunt wrapped in some vile festering pajama wear that only fat fucks would ever wear.

00:26:23.140 At 18 chins, I was eating and I was crying.

00:26:25.720 I hate fat people for making me do this.

00:26:31.900 It's the most fucking disgusting thing you've ever seen in your life.

00:26:35.600 And the self-pitying cow, me, like I look at that now and Mark gave it to them and they put that in.

00:26:43.440 Oh.

00:26:43.960 Yeah.

00:26:44.240 And I was so ashamed.

00:26:45.420 How could you ever forgive him?

00:26:46.700 Well, I haven't.

00:26:47.760 I still hate him.

00:26:49.360 The handbrake on the car will inexplicably go one day and my revenge will be complete.

00:26:54.500 But yeah, so I did do that too.

00:26:57.760 But actually it turned out to be this kind of nice story because actually I got hung out with loads of fat people.

00:27:02.500 It was part of the filming and then actually listening to people who were devastated by the fact they couldn't get off this ride of being huge and hating it.

00:27:13.140 And of course then immediately just the human you goes, shit, you know, it's rough.

00:27:19.200 It is.

00:27:19.660 It's a prison.

00:27:20.640 A prison of your own making that you can't escape.

00:27:23.720 You cannot escape.

00:27:25.000 Well, I guess you can escape it, but it's very difficult to do so.

00:27:29.420 But it's just like torture every minute.

00:27:32.140 Yeah.

00:27:32.540 And then that lack of honesty around that.

00:27:35.940 So other people, fat people, I would say manipulating other fat people into body positivity, body acceptance.

00:27:44.660 I always found to be a massive manipulation of people who would want to be free from the prison of fatness, but were told by their fat friends, oh no, it's better to stay fat together.

00:27:55.560 Yeah.

00:27:55.680 And then you see these women, bless their bloody hearts, that have chosen to escape the prison and they get completely ousted and annihilated by the Chambalambas.

00:28:03.480 That's what happened to me when I lost 120 pounds after Jake was born.

00:28:06.880 People would hate you for losing it.

00:28:08.260 And I got down to 103 pounds and I wore a size four.

00:28:12.460 And like I told my friend who also had lost 150 pounds, we spoke about it together and he said, well, we expected the men to change towards how they treated us just in public.

00:28:25.980 But we never expected the change in women.

00:28:31.060 And that was horrifying to see the difference in how women treated us.

00:28:35.040 Because before when we were fat, we were pretty much invisible.

00:28:38.400 But when we looked, you know, good in the accepted, you know, social thing.

00:28:46.620 Competition.

00:28:47.500 Yeah.

00:28:47.980 Then it was like, I'm going to stab you to death.

00:28:50.960 Yeah, you're a disappointment to the body positive movement.

00:28:55.840 Yeah.

00:28:56.120 You're a traitor.

00:28:57.780 Yeah.

00:28:58.100 But also to thin women, you were then, you know, a.

00:29:05.080 Like imposter.

00:29:06.720 Well, no, you're somebody to compete with.

00:29:09.560 Ah, competition.

00:29:10.400 Yeah.

00:29:10.980 And I see this with this Manjaro or Wegovia or wherever the hell it's called over here, these jabs.

00:29:17.180 And then thin women slagging off the women using them because, oh, that's it.

00:29:22.060 Do you think the answer's in a jab?

00:29:23.780 Well, yeah.

00:29:24.480 You mean Ozempic?

00:29:25.640 Ozempic, right.

00:29:26.540 Yeah, these jabs that can make you lose some weight.

00:29:28.740 And these skinny bitches slagging off women using those jabs because they say, well, you should put the effort in and da, da, da.

00:29:35.740 But, you know, I just think this idea that somehow fat people aren't allowed to be anything other than fat.

00:29:42.280 That seems to be the rule.

00:29:43.540 Yeah.

00:29:43.800 Fat people want fat people to stay fat.

00:29:45.340 Yeah.

00:29:45.720 Skinny people don't like fat people when they decide to try and feel better.

00:29:48.840 Right.

00:29:49.240 It's like, what are you asking from fat people then?

00:29:51.660 Yeah.

00:29:51.960 Yeah.

00:29:53.120 They like somebody to look down on.

00:29:56.780 Yeah.

00:29:56.860 And they do.

00:29:57.480 You know who I hate, though?

00:29:58.720 What's her name, Jake?

00:29:59.780 That fat bitch that I hate.

00:30:01.560 Oh, I like the start of that conversation.

00:30:01.600 Oh, Lizzo.

00:30:02.280 May I just get my, may I ask permission to get my little lousy drink?

00:30:06.380 You don't have to ask permission.

00:30:07.240 I'll get it for you.

00:30:07.800 But I feel like a child at school.

00:30:09.320 What's her name, the fat lady?

00:30:10.860 I could get it myself.

00:30:12.080 You have to get it.

00:30:12.660 Lizzo.

00:30:13.100 The fat lady.

00:30:13.560 Oh, Lizzo.

00:30:14.200 Do you hate her?

00:30:14.720 I hate her guts.

00:30:15.620 Thank you.

00:30:16.100 Thank you.

00:30:17.260 Just explaining.

00:30:18.080 I don't hate her.

00:30:19.500 I think she's very talented and all that stuff.

00:30:23.140 But I hate all these fat bitches that started that body positivity because when I started

00:30:29.060 my career, there was none of it.

00:30:31.600 Like, they'd put me on the cover of stuff and go, big fat cow, Roseanne.

00:30:36.040 Like, right there where they did the thing about my show in Mad Magazine.

00:30:39.740 Everything's a fat joke going, she's eating a cow for dinner.

00:30:43.240 Everything about me in all the press was just ridiculous fat jokes.

00:30:50.240 There was no body positivity.

00:30:52.560 No women stood up for me.

00:30:54.840 Nobody stood up for me.

00:30:56.020 No, you were just a fat woman that could be laughed at.

00:30:58.160 Yeah.

00:30:58.660 And not seen beyond.

00:31:00.340 Yeah.

00:31:00.820 Not seen beyond fat.

00:31:01.860 And now, you know, they never thanked me that I was the pioneer that broke through that.

00:31:07.540 You know what I mean?

00:31:08.340 Yeah.

00:31:08.500 No one ever went back and went, oh, actually, you were out there way before we stood here

00:31:12.060 being fat in a leotard.

00:31:12.800 And I really resent it.

00:31:14.580 You should.

00:31:14.980 And they go, Lizzo broke down all these burials.

00:31:17.860 I'm like, that fat bitch.

00:31:19.620 Yeah.

00:31:19.820 She didn't do shit.

00:31:20.980 She didn't do shit, but put on a leotard.

00:31:23.100 And they get some bigger fatters to dance around her, which I mean, a fair play to those.

00:31:26.920 I watch them and I think, Jesus, that's a lot of weight to shift.

00:31:31.080 Yeah.

00:31:31.200 In a leotard, it's a lot to look at.

00:31:33.600 Like, I just do.

00:31:34.220 I just look at it in a sort of a golly way.

00:31:37.740 You know, when Lizzo was proper fat and she would play the flute, it would always make

00:31:41.360 me laugh because the flute would look like a piccolo because she was so fucking big.

00:31:44.860 The perspective got lost.

00:31:47.020 She struck me as funny.

00:31:49.060 But then she got thin.

00:31:50.460 But then you got fired for like a whole bunch of tweets and, you know, just because you

00:31:55.400 were middle, you were just in the middle with common sense jokes.

00:31:58.940 And what was it like to grow up in England and see everything one way and then slowly

00:32:05.000 see that you were being taken over by a, I mean, it's actually, it was a Muslim mafia,

00:32:13.360 wasn't it?

00:32:14.380 Aided by the left, like the fucking, I'm thinking of those horrible magazines like Jezebel and

00:32:21.240 Politico and all those shit left magazines that really took aim at any woman who was out

00:32:27.320 of line and didn't go, I love that men come in the bathrooms and shove their dicks down

00:32:33.200 my face.

00:32:34.180 Exactly.

00:32:34.540 I love it.

00:32:36.280 I can't get enough of it.

00:32:38.560 Yeah.

00:32:39.080 Yeah.

00:32:39.320 So it became, it just, being a female and just speaking the, you know, seeing, speaking

00:32:46.100 as I find it, I'm regardless of size or side or politics or anything, just actually getting

00:32:52.920 to know people and then saying how I felt about the thing or the, that became so problematic.

00:33:00.160 Talking about, talking to ordinary people in tiny towns who would say, oh, we're, we're

00:33:05.620 second class citizens here.

00:33:07.440 We don't belong here.

00:33:08.640 We're being forced.

00:33:09.480 There's no one left on my road.

00:33:10.840 I used to know everyone on my road.

00:33:12.160 I don't know anyone on my road now and because they'd speak maybe with a bit of a funny accent

00:33:16.260 or they didn't look like a city person or, you know, they're missing a few teeth or had

00:33:21.060 tattoos or seemed a bit common as a British sense, you know, the class thing in the UK

00:33:26.400 is so strong.

00:33:27.300 There was just sort of a mockery.

00:33:29.020 Oh, Katie speaking to the uneducated idiots of England about how they feel, you know, that,

00:33:35.120 that way that the, the California, some blue Newsom loving Californians look down on

00:33:41.740 Rust Belt, that same thing.

00:33:43.780 Well, they hate, they hate the working class that does all the work.

00:33:47.980 They hate the, the people who pull on their boots and work land or work machinery or have

00:33:53.560 skills or actual, you know, stuff in life that when you need help, they're exactly the

00:33:59.520 person you want to come because they're tough and strong and stoic.

00:34:03.620 And that's my whole heart all the time.

00:34:06.460 It's mine too.

00:34:07.440 Yeah.

00:34:08.320 You know, and so I had to be, and then because I had this kind of, at the point that I was

00:34:15.740 at my biggest media wise, and I had the Daily Mail most read column on the most read online

00:34:21.900 newspaper, the most watched or listened to radio show in the heart of London, it was unthinkable

00:34:28.560 that they would employ me and I, they did, Tucker twice a week, Sean Hannity, I had this

00:34:33.260 huge megaphone to my face and I was saying stuff that was not allowed by everyone who

00:34:40.600 controls media.

00:34:41.900 Because you were the, speaking for the common person.

00:34:44.940 Yeah, and so they would, you know, I was in the heart of London doing a radio show and

00:34:48.600 they'd, all their numbers for London were always great because they had people from, which

00:34:53.200 would be like LA, having people from LA talk about LA things.

00:34:56.600 But I had people calling in from all ends of the country because they got what I was saying.

00:35:03.360 They knew my story and they knew I got them.

00:35:06.540 So the numbers were so huge, it was difficult to get rid of me, but then eventually the pressure

00:35:11.940 became so great, I was removed from everything.

00:35:15.580 Sounds familiar.

00:35:17.040 Right.

00:35:17.360 And without even notice or warning, I've always said, you know, if I wrote some crap columns

00:35:25.800 or no one was reading them anymore, or my radio show tanked like it had no listeners, I'd fire

00:35:31.760 myself.

00:35:32.700 Yeah.

00:35:32.900 I don't want to turn up and do something that I'm not good at.

00:35:36.600 I don't want, I don't want a job because I want a job.

00:35:39.160 I want a job because I'm good at the job.

00:35:40.820 Right.

00:35:40.980 But to be fired because you're good at your job.

00:35:44.400 Yeah.

00:35:44.680 But it's not okay.

00:35:45.640 Hello.

00:35:46.360 That's the thing, isn't it?

00:35:48.180 Yeah, they did it all at the same time too.

00:35:50.900 And what's fascinating to me is that when you got in trouble, when you started to cover

00:35:58.240 the migrants and the, is it Save the Children?

00:36:02.300 Yeah, and all of the NGOs that are basically the paid transport system for flesh moving across

00:36:12.100 the planet, providing their cut of cash to heads of churches, heads of state, heads of

00:36:20.720 religious organizations.

00:36:23.520 That's the stats every day and has been for 20, 30 years longer, and they're all in on it.

00:36:30.880 Mm-hmm.

00:36:31.680 And I mean, how much did that blow your mind, first of all, to find out about it, to discover

00:36:37.180 it?

00:36:37.700 To discover it, one thing, a bit like me walking into the production offices and saying, you

00:36:43.280 know what, fat people are pissing me off.

00:36:44.620 I'm going to put on weight and lose again to show that you can do something about it if

00:36:47.660 you want.

00:36:48.360 But then understanding it at the level of individual women and individual men who, some of whom had

00:36:55.800 butchered themselves to try and escape the prison of fatness and it becoming something

00:37:00.220 much, much more personal.

00:37:02.060 The same thing, seeing what was going on, knowing, tracking, seeing, following the intelligence

00:37:07.300 of watching these NGO boats meet their schedule appointment time to pick up their next cargo

00:37:13.580 of flesh.

00:37:14.140 So from seeing it at a strategic level to actually standing and sweating on the shore and watching

00:37:21.900 those smug, well-funded people working the ferries for flesh and still act pious and then be schlepping

00:37:32.380 tired, you know how it is on the road.

00:37:33.940 bits of schlep, to find a lady, young girl sat on a stripy, horrible chair in the blazing

00:37:42.180 sunshine on a road in southern Italy with this little bit of hopeless makeup smeared.

00:37:49.840 I just, blue smeared here and red sort of put here to look like makeup.

00:37:54.660 And then knowing that she was one of the ones that they would have brought across and stopping,

00:38:00.340 we stopped and the photographer got pictures from a way back and I asked her what she was

00:38:05.100 doing there.

00:38:05.940 I mean, it was obvious what she was doing there at the lay-by, but she said, oh, my job's

00:38:09.220 to help the truckers have a better day.

00:38:12.660 And she was ill and you could see she was ill.

00:38:15.660 And I asked where she stayed and she said she was in a house and that she would be collected

00:38:19.540 later and I asked her, you know, do you ever think you'll be able to leave this place,

00:38:26.000 this life?

00:38:27.040 And she said, oh, God willing.

00:38:29.580 And, you know, that stuck with me.

00:38:31.460 So everything about that is, you know, it's scorched into my soul because she was at the

00:38:39.720 point where the only hope she would have is that God had a plan for her.

00:38:45.980 And that is enough sometimes, right?

00:38:48.260 Like, that's the hope, but also just make me rage at these smug idiots that have the

00:38:55.900 power and think that the better people are responsible for her and every single other

00:39:01.260 woman, child, boy, butchered by the people who bring them over for their own pleasure.

00:39:07.900 And then that one-on-one understanding of what's going on, that's why it gives you the strength

00:39:17.400 to hate, actually.

00:39:19.940 You know, I hate that the chief rabbi wrote to my editor to have me fired for sticking my

00:39:28.200 nose into this.

00:39:29.260 I hate that the head of the Catholic churches was involved.

00:39:33.520 I don't want to know that the religious people are into that.

00:39:36.520 I don't.

00:39:37.380 I'd really rather not.

00:39:38.580 I'd really rather they weren't.

00:39:40.540 I don't want the board of deputies to be aligning with the Muslim council to get me out of my

00:39:46.660 job because it doesn't solve what the actual issue is.

00:39:49.880 And in a world, I much preferred it when I believed religious people were good.

00:39:56.040 I preferred it when I believed the law was the law.

00:39:59.300 I preferred it when democracy meant something in my country.

00:40:02.800 You know, I preferred it.

00:40:03.720 Many of us preferred it.

00:40:04.900 Yeah.

00:40:05.740 You know.

00:40:06.960 What was it like to see the veil come off, to experience the veil come off and see it for

00:40:14.800 what it was?

00:40:16.440 Really, really, really lonely.

00:40:19.420 Like, um, lonely is not the word.

00:40:22.600 Like, um.

00:40:22.960 I saw any.

00:40:23.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:24.760 That's where I was going next.

00:40:25.880 But almost then a picture like, you know, if you were thrown down a well and you'd be

00:40:30.660 at the bottom of the well and it would be really, really, golly, at the bottom, if the well

00:40:36.560 was deep, the bottom of the well, you can imagine being really dark.

00:40:40.580 That's it.

00:40:41.160 It's that picture.

00:40:41.980 When I saw those emails coming in from my editor saying, what, what is like, he had

00:40:46.800 never seen anything like it.

00:40:48.140 What's going on?

00:40:49.580 Why is the head of everyone everywhere wanting you gone?

00:40:53.580 It felt like being at the bottom of the well because I knew that then I didn't realize we'd

00:40:59.500 be doing this now, but I knew I would never be able to have the opportunity to persuade.

00:41:07.160 I'd never have the opportunity to, for anyone to believe the story because I was so hated

00:41:14.680 and no one would care.

00:41:16.500 And they'd all be celebrating that I'd been let go from my job because they all hated me

00:41:20.220 anyway.

00:41:20.540 You couldn't run the story, right?

00:41:23.520 And the story was human trafficking.

00:41:26.380 Yeah.

00:41:26.480 No, no.

00:41:26.900 My editor never, he never printed the story.

00:41:30.100 See, I always thought you were canceled for other things.

00:41:31.920 This is kind of the beginning of your cancellation.

00:41:33.180 No, this was the whole.

00:41:34.300 You stumbled on human trafficking.

00:41:35.040 Every other thing got thrown in then and stuck and had been sticking.

00:41:38.120 But this was the moment.

00:41:39.700 The pin was pulled and I was thrown down the well.

00:41:42.940 Yeah.

00:41:43.280 And the world then, it seemed to me the world.

00:41:45.520 It wasn't the world.

00:41:46.240 It was a few people.

00:41:47.180 But everyone was celebrating, Hopkins out, the downfall of Hopkins, removed from mail.

00:41:53.360 Of course, then two minutes later, the radio show was gone, never booked again,

00:41:57.460 banned from Fox, banned from, I mean, speaking to the originals, but just the jubilation of

00:42:07.500 the hyenas.

00:42:08.800 Yeah.

00:42:09.200 This is the fat story again.

00:42:11.080 This is the thin people didn't like it because the fat people, basically everyone who pretended

00:42:15.680 to be an ally before was loving it because there was an opportunity for them.

00:42:20.700 The people who hated me before, it was brilliant.

00:42:23.540 It was jubilation because the witch is dead.

00:42:26.820 You know, a lovely lady I know who I admire for speaking truth.

00:42:30.960 The day she found out my radio show was also gone, she got on the phone to my radio boss

00:42:36.000 to ask if she could have my slot.

00:42:37.740 Jesus.

00:42:38.160 And she told me that, which I have a great deal of respect for her saying that because

00:42:42.140 it's actually the most truthful, it's the person with the sword in your belly telling

00:42:49.940 you that they held the sword.

00:42:51.740 Yeah.

00:42:52.040 The first thing she thought to do was to try and get the slot.

00:42:56.140 Yeah.

00:42:56.360 Yeah.

00:42:56.440 And that's true of our allies a lot of the time.

00:42:59.820 Yeah.

00:43:00.520 That's why we don't have allies anymore.

00:43:02.140 Yeah.

00:43:02.860 Get rid of them all.

00:43:03.980 Well, we saw how they were with you, but most notably with Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:43:08.460 I mean, they were celebrating on the street with the same people and it's demonic.

00:43:13.580 And to think-

00:43:14.260 It is demonic because only demons can do that kind of thing with children and human flesh,

00:43:20.040 as you say, human beings, human souls.

00:43:23.020 Only demons do that.

00:43:24.500 And of course, they're religious, of course, because as the old saying, where's the safest

00:43:31.300 place for the devil to hide in church and religion?

00:43:34.380 In church and religion and right next to you, actually.

00:43:37.980 You know, if you're looking for something, very often the hardest place to find it is

00:43:42.080 if it's pinned on your back.

00:43:43.540 Yeah.

00:43:43.820 And for a long time, I've believed that, and this isn't meant to sort of persuade people

00:43:50.160 to be distrustful of people around them.

00:43:52.000 But I found some of the biggest harms or the greatest grievances you can suffer are typically

00:44:00.760 inflicted on you by those closest to you.

00:44:04.620 Yeah.

00:44:04.980 Yeah.

00:44:06.400 That's why stabbings are from intimate partners.

00:44:11.020 Yeah.

00:44:11.540 They like to get right up close to see you go.

00:44:14.260 I mean, I read a lot about serial killers.

00:44:17.640 Yeah.

00:44:18.220 But I mean, that's their thrill is to see you suffer.

00:44:21.400 To see you.

00:44:22.200 To see the moment of recognition that you know you've gone.

00:44:25.940 Yeah.

00:44:26.620 Yeah.

00:44:26.900 And I see that a lot with people around and it's why, you know, COVID and lockdowns were

00:44:34.640 so divisive because the people you thought were family or friends, people you'd invited

00:44:40.120 to your weddings or people you had shared the birth of this with, or I don't know what's

00:44:45.340 important to people, but things, people you thought you knew, suddenly you realized you

00:44:50.220 didn't know them at all.

00:44:51.920 At all.

00:44:52.360 And it was, that was terrifying in some regard because you believed you knew them and then

00:44:58.580 you were being proven wrong in real time.

00:45:01.260 Yeah.

00:45:01.740 Yeah.

00:45:01.960 Yeah.

00:45:02.380 And that's an unusual thing to happen to a human brain or heart.

00:45:07.680 Yeah.

00:45:08.020 And over and over again.

00:45:10.080 Over and over.

00:45:11.900 Over and over.

00:45:12.860 It's like nonstop trauma.

00:45:15.940 Yeah.

00:45:16.300 You know, we've lived through that for like, what, since 2001, almost repeatedly.

00:45:22.940 Yeah.

00:45:23.480 But, but I think not to dwell on the negative of it, what it did, like almost like cutting,

00:45:30.680 you know, cutting flesh off something.

00:45:33.020 What it did, it cut, it cut away a big swathe of us across all of our countries who saw the

00:45:42.480 lie knew it was wrong.

00:45:44.840 Yeah.

00:45:45.240 And we cut, we were cast out, but we almost, we almost enjoyed being cast away because we

00:45:53.260 became a, a very unique community that was now joined by this idea that everyone should

00:45:59.380 be what the hell they want.

00:46:00.880 Think what the hell they want, be what the hell they want.

00:46:03.300 Just don't tell me what to bloody well do.

00:46:05.620 Right.

00:46:05.980 And we were very lucky, I think, to live into this moment, which I think is where we ended

00:46:09.960 up.

00:46:10.600 Yeah.

00:46:10.680 How do you feel about, you know, the whole, the whole, I mean, it was 3 million people

00:46:18.220 in the streets of London.

00:46:19.640 Oh, the Unite the Kingdom round.

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.360 September the 13th.

00:46:22.860 Yeah.

00:46:23.300 It's massive.

00:46:24.480 It's massive.

00:46:25.260 It was mind blowing to see it.

00:46:27.200 It was, it was beyond anything I could have imagined.

00:46:31.960 And so Tommy Robinson's the guy that organized it and he, of anyone, he was tortured, tortured

00:46:40.220 in jail for showing a documentary.

00:46:43.640 He was told, do not show the documentary or we will put you in jail.

00:46:47.500 About rape games.

00:46:48.580 About rape games.

00:46:49.260 And he took the documentary and he put it on massive screens in the middle of Trafalgar

00:46:53.200 Square and went, watch this.

00:46:55.460 So the courage of the guy.

00:46:57.000 The courage of the guy.

00:46:58.120 Yeah.

00:46:58.220 You know, to just know the consequence and still do it.

00:47:02.260 People can encourage him and say they've got his back and that they're behind him.

00:47:05.920 But it's a very different thing when it's actually you, as you'll know as well.

00:47:10.460 Like people say, I've got you, we're right behind you.

00:47:13.380 But when the shit really hits.

00:47:15.200 We're right behind you.

00:47:15.860 Yeah.

00:47:16.200 Where you're losing your house and your home, you look around and go, where'd they go?

00:47:21.840 So, but he committed to that.

00:47:23.940 And then when he was put in prison this time for the crime of, oh, whatever else it was,

00:47:28.880 he made a commitment that there would be this rally.

00:47:31.620 And when he was in solitary, I obviously committed that I would be there.

00:47:36.740 Yeah.

00:47:37.020 And, and then on the day, he kept saying in the weeks before, you know, he said, Katie,

00:47:42.960 everywhere I go, they're saying, see you, see you on Saturday, see you on, see you at

00:47:46.420 the rally, Friday, Saturday, Saturday.

00:47:48.060 And I had the same experience.

00:47:50.040 I'd be walking by, see it, see it, see in London, see Saturday.

00:47:52.980 And I'd be like, you, this is bigger than anywhere I was.

00:47:57.800 It was happening and it was happening to him.

00:47:59.380 And then on the day, I mean, the numbers would, yeah, on the train I got on miles away,

00:48:05.380 everybody on that train was going.

00:48:07.580 I mean, it's just set my arms off now, but, and so it was glorious.

00:48:11.600 I loved it for Tommy because it was only he could pull those people into one place.

00:48:17.580 Yeah, only he could.

00:48:18.120 Only he.

00:48:19.020 And you with your help.

00:48:20.960 People don't have money.

00:48:22.460 There's not surplus money in the UK.

00:48:24.560 People are suffering right now.

00:48:26.460 And they still got on trains that are expensive and made it there.

00:48:30.260 And then also, there's always this thing, same with Trump, inaugurations, whatever, the

00:48:36.300 numbers, the numbers.

00:48:37.240 But the numbers don't matter because the aerial views showed the streets full of people.

00:48:45.400 So when people get into the numbers, I'm like, I don't care.

00:48:48.980 The aerial shots show it.

00:48:51.560 Whatever they want to like, those streets are not small.

00:48:54.400 And then at a personal level, there was a point where we were trying to get forwards.

00:48:59.420 We had to get through a slightly constricted area.

00:49:02.340 And the crush was A, real and B, frightening because you know that a crowd that keeps its

00:49:07.520 momentum, it will crush you, you're dead.

00:49:09.420 So that, and then the fact that that moment in history coincided with losing Charlie just

00:49:18.400 a few days before meant that it was just such a great moment for, and I speak for no one

00:49:25.460 but myself, but for us to let America know that we saw, that we see, and that we so support

00:49:34.580 our American friends, patriots across the pond, not just Charlie, but it was a moment I felt

00:49:41.340 like for London to say America, you know, Sadiq Khan, which I have a different name for that rhymes

00:49:48.700 with runt, Sadiq Khan doesn't speak for us.

00:49:54.140 No.

00:49:54.420 We speak for us.

00:49:55.780 Yeah.

00:49:55.920 And we, I mean, love you lot.

00:49:58.000 You know, and that's what I loved about it.

00:49:59.960 Me too.

00:50:00.360 That America could look and see us.

00:50:03.560 Yeah.

00:50:04.040 It meant so much.

00:50:05.400 And it was all over the place.

00:50:07.200 Like it was in Germany.

00:50:08.420 It was in Denmark.

00:50:11.160 It was.

00:50:11.500 Seoul.

00:50:12.500 Like over, like Asia was with it.

00:50:15.720 You know, everyone, it was almost to me like, you know, the whole thing about, you know,

00:50:20.520 lanterns on a hill.

00:50:21.660 You light, back in the days, you light the fire on the hill as a marker and then it would

00:50:25.820 spread.

00:50:26.260 That to me was what it was like.

00:50:27.560 It was like us, because America has all, has been for so long with Trump coming back

00:50:32.140 and 80 million Americans voting Trump.

00:50:34.580 You've been the shining beacon on the hill for us.

00:50:37.100 Yeah.

00:50:37.240 And it was like a little day where we got to go.

00:50:39.500 Yeah.

00:50:41.020 Here's us.

00:50:42.160 Yeah.

00:50:42.420 We, we're part of you.

00:50:44.100 We're grateful to you.

00:50:45.520 We see you and we're sorry.

00:50:47.400 You know, and that's, it was so, it was just like a biblical level event for me.

00:50:51.760 I'm not sure I'm over it yet, honestly.

00:50:53.460 I don't think we'll ever get over it.

00:50:55.080 I don't think we'll ever get over the, the, uh, assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:51:00.820 I don't think the world will get, I think it's a watershed moment for, not to be cheesy,

00:51:06.700 but for, uh, um, liberty.

00:51:12.400 But my God, you know, can you believe that our leaders have sold us out so completely for,

00:51:20.680 to pad their own pockets?

00:51:23.940 It's, it's, uh.

00:51:25.160 Everything we stand for, all of our values meant nothing to them.

00:51:28.660 Um, it's sort of just, you know, if you, if the word disappointment could be sort of scaled

00:51:36.820 up magnificently and, and then put in large font and then emboldened and underlined, the

00:51:44.880 disappointment of the huge gulf between the brilliance of the ordinary, and I mean ordinary

00:51:53.540 people like us, right, ordinary, the brilliance of the ordinary folk in the street versus those

00:51:59.680 who attain power.

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:01.500 That's got to be one of the cruelest kind of.

00:52:05.020 I know what you mean.

00:52:05.700 Yeah.

00:52:06.180 Yeah.

00:52:06.560 I know exactly what you're saying.

00:52:07.460 The ordinary person every day is brilliant.

00:52:11.000 Yeah.

00:52:11.620 So much.

00:52:12.600 More brilliant.

00:52:13.240 More brilliant than the leaders of this world.

00:52:15.540 So brilliant.

00:52:16.000 The sold out leaders.

00:52:17.160 You know what I mean?

00:52:18.300 About everybody.

00:52:19.180 The mad, crazy guy in the street that's washing himself in the fountain.

00:52:23.440 You know, the, the mother that's dealing with 15 children and somehow keeping her shit

00:52:27.340 together.

00:52:27.860 You know, the guy that's working three jobs, maybe has a mistress as well, but somehow has

00:52:32.200 managed to dress himself.

00:52:33.500 Like the sheer tenacity of the human spirit to somehow make shit work and try and keep up

00:52:40.480 the illusion that any of us have got our stuff together when really none of us have.

00:52:44.200 That to me is the, the essence of everything.

00:52:48.160 And it's why I love being on the road because that's where real life is.

00:52:53.380 Well, how do you feel about Tucker?

00:52:54.880 I mean, he seems to have taken a traitorous turn against the people of the earth.

00:52:59.260 You were on his show.

00:53:00.400 How do you feel about him?

00:53:01.680 I can't get over what a traitor he is to, um, the entire West.

00:53:09.160 What is he doing?

00:53:10.760 I don't know.

00:53:11.180 He's a fucking Islam now.

00:53:12.980 It's so odd to me, you know, I've invited, to be on his show twice a week, you know,

00:53:17.920 back in the day, that was sort of a thing because it was quite hard to get, right?

00:53:21.620 And you know, the main slot on Tucker twice a week is a big thing.

00:53:24.640 And, and then now he just obviously is going in some other direction that I have no understanding.

00:53:32.200 A lot of MAGA is.

00:53:34.120 I saw this thing where Tucker was a, was a registered foreign agent for Qatar.

00:53:40.360 I saw his papers were.

00:53:42.140 Well, that was to interview the, the Qatari official, to be fair.

00:53:46.220 Because Laura Loomer had that expose, like, Tucker's owned by Qatar.

00:53:49.800 And it was like, they, they paid him to come interview him, which we all know.

00:53:53.600 Well, I think Putin paid him too.

00:53:55.680 I, I, I just, I don't like that one.

00:53:58.180 I just can't believe that he is so embracing.

00:54:01.080 Um, well, let me just say, can I say something?

00:54:05.360 Cause I've watched this.

00:54:06.700 I understand the libertarian Tucker thing.

00:54:09.060 I've always defended Candace and Tucker here.

00:54:10.900 You, you, I apologize to you.

00:54:12.380 You were right.

00:54:12.840 I was wrong.

00:54:13.380 I'll give you that, but I understand it.

00:54:16.120 What I don't understand is post Charlie Kirk.

00:54:18.960 Yeah.

00:54:19.600 For them to dig in Tucker, Candace, and those types and make this about donors pressuring

00:54:26.320 Charlie and Israel and just sort of this, they're not saying it outright explicitly.

00:54:31.080 But they're kind of pointing to it when we already know who the shooter is.

00:54:34.380 It's clearly someone that was leftist.

00:54:36.260 It's clearly someone that was mind controlled and brainwashed on the universities.

00:54:39.580 I won't even get into who funds the fucking universities.

00:54:43.300 It's the same people that you're, you're accusing of paying Tucker, but it's no surprise

00:54:47.840 to me that Charlie Kirk, who was a proponent of, uh, he was pro Israel is killed on a college

00:54:55.100 campus where certain companies pay in the billions to brainwash these kids.

00:54:59.280 To me, if Tucker or Candace want to point out, Hey, there's, I mean, Charlie, they want

00:55:04.620 to point out there's donors and weird shit happening.

00:55:07.340 Why are we talking about Israel, not Qatar or cutter?

00:55:11.300 Like it's cool.

00:55:12.280 There's a link there and I don't even make that link.

00:55:14.260 I'm only doing it now just to say, look, I could make that link and I'm not going to,

00:55:17.180 cause there's very little evidence.

00:55:18.720 So you, one day Charlie said, uh, the left is using Islam to slit the throat of the West.

00:55:25.520 Yeah.

00:55:25.960 The next day he was shot in the throat and, uh, well, here's how it went.

00:55:36.320 He made that statement the next day, Catherine Herridge, a great journalist came out with

00:55:42.680 a, um, video showing how Saudi Arabia was totally involved at 9-1-1.

00:55:52.660 Of course.

00:55:52.900 And then the day after that, Charlie got shot in the throat.

00:55:58.060 And, uh, then the day after that, the guy that shot that health executive.

00:56:05.300 Yeah.

00:56:05.660 Mangione or whatever.

00:56:06.760 Yeah.

00:56:07.120 They, they dropped the terrorist charges against him.

00:56:12.200 So they made terrorism legal kind of.

00:56:15.200 All those things happened in four days and then they all blamed Israel.

00:56:20.360 Yeah.

00:56:20.560 Well, yeah.

00:56:21.400 And to me that's shows it's inorganic and there's something else at play here.

00:56:24.760 And it's terrifying because we know that we, let me just say this.

00:56:28.720 We've been waiting a long time for the world to wake up to how violent the left is.

00:56:32.820 And we got that now we have the moment.

00:56:35.120 There's no more argument that the violence is coming from your side, Democrats and Candace

00:56:40.600 and Tucker wait for this for 10 years.

00:56:42.420 We went through COVID.

00:56:43.000 We've been through election fraud and they choose this time to point the finger at Bibi

00:56:46.840 Netanyahu when we have, we can, this could take us to the midterms and win the next 10

00:56:51.040 fucking elections.

00:56:52.140 It's clear.

00:56:53.000 Now we have moral fucking authority and they're pissing it away for some weird anti-Israel

00:56:59.000 campaign.

00:56:59.420 That's not even linked.

00:57:00.240 It makes zero sense to me.

00:57:01.500 They're showing who and what they are.

00:57:03.120 And I think I have a theory that it's whether they're paid or not, that there's certain people

00:57:07.160 that want MAGA divided by Christian Zionists, pro-West and this whatever the fuck this shit

00:57:15.100 is, this Nazi, let's fucking Chris Long, let's align ourselves with Islam.

00:57:20.560 It is Chris Long.

00:57:21.540 Fucking terrifying.

00:57:22.360 That's the split.

00:57:23.320 Have you seen a split?

00:57:24.380 Just, yeah, I think, you know, for me, it's sort of, sometimes when terrible things happen,

00:57:30.180 we try and find a theory to explain it.

00:57:34.140 So some people try and explain me away by saying that I'm a massive Zionist shill and I'm paid

00:57:39.200 for by the Jewish agencies.

00:57:42.060 I categorically can assure you I'm not, hence these trousers are about eight years old.

00:57:46.620 But, you know, that's not, I'm not trying to defend myself here, but I would say that

00:57:50.460 in a time of horror, sometimes I think it is appropriate for people to just shut up.

00:57:55.620 Yeah, I agree.

00:57:56.320 Just shut up.

00:57:57.140 And what I probably don't understand is having watched over the decades of Candace and Charlie

00:58:02.520 when they were working together is I would have thought that if you were so close to

00:58:07.820 someone in the way that I observed them for over a decade, your horror at what's gone on

00:58:14.180 would leave you, if not mute, then recognising that the most respectful thing you could do

00:58:20.000 would be to be mute.

00:58:21.960 Because I think silence accords some of the most respectful moments there are, which I

00:58:27.320 appreciate my mouth is always open.

00:58:29.120 I've always got a bloody opinion at everything and everyone can say I'm a hypocrite.

00:58:32.520 But silence is a very powerful way of stating respect.

00:58:38.940 And I would much have preferred Candace and Tucker and others, whomever's engaging in this,

00:58:44.740 many people actually, to just shut up.

00:58:48.120 Yeah.

00:58:48.800 Because Charlie was a good man.

00:58:52.000 Yeah.

00:58:52.180 And we don't have him.

00:58:53.800 And stop chasing clicks for your sad little shows.

00:58:59.180 Yeah.

00:58:59.260 For God's sake, shut up.

00:59:02.220 Amen.

00:59:02.800 And how...

00:59:05.560 Do you think they're making a power grab for TPUSA?

00:59:09.020 Because the National Socialists, of which they are, really, the National Socialist wing of

00:59:17.580 the far right, they want to control TPUSA.

00:59:22.060 Do you think?

00:59:22.960 You know how I was mentioning when I was removed and I was removed from my radio show, a lady

00:59:29.240 I respect rang immediately to try and get my slot.

00:59:32.480 But the jealousy that is accorded to Charlie Kirk, I'll speak about him in the present tense,

00:59:39.760 has always been so strong because he was the obvious next presidential candidate after

00:59:43.960 the time when he was older.

00:59:45.840 He had the funding that they were all so jealous of.

00:59:49.160 They were so jealous of his billionaire donors, actually, because they would love to have them

00:59:53.680 themselves, especially with the mess that some of them have currently got themselves into

00:59:57.720 financially, despite marrying very rich husbands.

01:00:01.060 A lot of legal bills coming.

01:00:02.800 We've got a lot of legal bills that the husband's family will not be too impressed by.

01:00:07.500 But that's not the point.

01:00:08.520 The point is that so much jealousy around Charlie, that in the moments of his death, instead of

01:00:16.220 the silence of respect, the jealous see an opportunity.

01:00:20.620 And the opportunists are very often the ones closest, again, to Charlie.

01:00:26.380 There is now a massive power struggle underway for who is going to be the rightful owner of

01:00:34.600 the billions that are sitting in a war chest for Charlie's presidential run.

01:00:41.420 So the worst of humankind will show itself.

01:00:46.680 Witness it.

01:00:47.680 And we will bear witness.

01:00:49.260 I feel so sorry for the youth that loved Charlie and what he led them to, which was basically

01:00:59.420 self, well, introspection.

01:01:05.200 Totally.

01:01:05.980 And a connection to their own power source, their own God.

01:01:11.060 That's so right.

01:01:11.480 And they're trying to, yeah, and they're trying to pull them into ideology, which will destroy

01:01:18.860 them.

01:01:19.360 Plug into goodness, wasn't he?

01:01:20.920 It was about charging yourself up with goodness.

01:01:23.720 If you know what you're living by rules that you understand by, you know, your commitment

01:01:28.780 to your faith, you'll feel power.

01:01:31.380 You'll know power.

01:01:32.500 You'll have power.

01:01:33.500 And you'll have the power to do good things and to be resilient against difficult things.

01:01:38.720 He was charging people up.

01:01:41.020 And that's why, in a way, like, you know, we come from farming stock.

01:01:44.540 So when you scrape, when you scrape the yard, you scrape after the cows have milked or whatever.

01:01:50.060 That's how I kind of see it is I try and just sort of scrape away all of the muck of the

01:01:56.660 people wrestling over who's going to be anointed king.

01:02:00.800 And underneath that is this vast layer of students who love Charlie and still want to

01:02:08.920 continue what he was trying to do.

01:02:10.900 This horrible squabbling few of noisy, noisy fools.

01:02:17.180 Yeah.

01:02:17.540 You know, isn't it?

01:02:18.840 They're always the same.

01:02:20.000 It's always the same.

01:02:20.800 They get the share of voice, but they don't deserve the share of voice.

01:02:24.020 I remember the cast of Roseanne turned on her.

01:02:26.160 It's an interesting parallel you're drawing with Tucker and Candace.

01:02:29.100 You can see that there's some truth to it.

01:02:31.640 And the person that tried to take your radio show, that it's a void of power that people

01:02:37.240 just want to fill right in.

01:02:38.780 It's disgusting.

01:02:39.720 And for a long time.

01:02:40.600 But they don't have any direction.

01:02:44.260 They don't have any core.

01:02:45.820 They don't have any beliefs in, really, they don't have any belief in the God of goodness.

01:02:51.820 Right.

01:02:52.600 It's a divisive, hateful cry for blood.

01:02:59.580 Yeah.

01:02:59.680 And it's a belief, I think, fomented in the idea that we are all in competition with each

01:03:06.280 other in the sense that they perceive they are as talented or as gifted or if not more

01:03:12.440 gifted than Charlie.

01:03:14.100 Well, look what, he's got all these donors and all this stuff.

01:03:17.060 I'm better than what he is.

01:03:18.520 So now he's not here.

01:03:20.520 Righteously, I should have all of that stuff.

01:03:23.140 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:23.620 Not for one moment did they have the kind of introspective ability to go, hmm, maybe

01:03:28.340 he did have qualities of staying power, of doing the same thing over and over every

01:03:33.120 day, every damn day, on a plane, at a campus.

01:03:36.180 Do you think he really wanted to do that some days when he woke up?

01:03:39.000 Yeah, he did it.

01:03:40.320 And this, they're a perception that it's a competition.

01:03:44.540 Yeah.

01:03:44.800 And that's why we see all of this segmentation of damn everything.

01:03:49.180 Every movement on our side, every kind of nationalist movement on every country has

01:03:55.600 divided into shattered fragments of what it should be.

01:03:59.720 We've got Nigel Farage with Reform.

01:04:01.900 We've got Ben Habib with Advance UK.

01:04:04.920 We've got Rupert Lowe with his party.

01:04:07.620 We've got Lawrence Fox with Reclaim.

01:04:09.580 We've got Unite the Kingdom with Tommy.

01:04:12.300 Do you know what I mean?

01:04:12.940 And then over here, it's the National People's Front.

01:04:15.680 Oh, we're the People's National Front.

01:04:17.320 We're the National Federation of Women.

01:04:18.840 We're the Women's Federated Republic Women.

01:04:21.260 We're federated, but not republic, but federated.

01:04:24.380 Jesus, people.

01:04:26.120 It's factioning the greatest tool of the left.

01:04:29.260 Yeah.

01:04:29.620 That's what communism really does, is faction people.

01:04:33.400 Faction the power of the people into little tiny pieces so they can't get together and

01:04:38.420 say, no, we're not doing that.

01:04:40.860 Which those marches were like, no, we're not doing that.

01:04:46.280 We're not going to let you do that to us.

01:04:48.060 Yeah, which is why it was so uplifting.

01:04:50.060 It was so elegant.

01:04:51.180 Because everyone was in.

01:04:52.660 Yeah.

01:04:52.900 And the thing that was so lovely that I just loved at this, you know, I love to take things

01:04:58.960 down to the level of individual because there's so much hope and positivity at the level of

01:05:03.060 individual, is that people said to me, oh, you know, we came today.

01:05:08.300 We didn't know.

01:05:09.020 We didn't know about coming.

01:05:10.640 You know, some people are nervous or anxious, have been told it might be frightening or whatever.

01:05:13.760 And they came, they were like, everyone's just been so nice.

01:05:17.160 And that was always true with Trump rallies that I've ever been at.

01:05:20.320 People like to go to them, regardless of really Trump or MAGA or whatever, they'd go

01:05:24.800 because it was so nice.

01:05:26.400 Everyone's having a lovely day.

01:05:27.720 We've all got a flag.

01:05:29.160 You know, we're all here together.

01:05:31.020 Something goes wrong.

01:05:32.380 You know, they're respectful to law enforcement.

01:05:34.200 If there's litter, someone picks it up.

01:05:35.860 It's like, oh, it's really nice hanging out with these people.

01:05:38.780 And I think that's what Charlie built.

01:05:40.320 Yeah, I did too.

01:05:41.280 It was really, for people to turn up at Charlie events, they were really nice.

01:05:45.540 Well, I loved how they would send their best in to battle him.

01:05:50.180 Oh.

01:05:50.900 And he would just be kind, rational, and stay in the calm space.

01:05:59.100 Yeah.

01:05:59.260 And never let him bring, he never let them bring him to the edge of his chair.

01:06:05.800 Never.

01:06:06.160 And never let them enrage him or manipulate him or move him off his center point.

01:06:14.120 Never.

01:06:14.360 Which was so powerful.

01:06:16.460 And that sent such a great message to the young people, especially young men, because

01:06:22.460 he looked strong and defiant.

01:06:24.820 Oh, he did.

01:06:26.140 Oh, he did.

01:06:27.020 And there's, I watched this little, like, I know you shouldn't go on Instagram and watch

01:06:30.960 animals, because that obviously makes you a sad bastard.

01:06:34.400 But I was watching a hippo earlier, a baby hippo.

01:06:37.960 And the zookeeper was trying to get the baby hippo into its, where it should go.

01:06:41.740 But the hippo didn't want to, because he wanted to be in the water.

01:06:44.340 And baby hippos...

01:06:45.020 I love that.

01:06:45.860 I know what you're talking about.

01:06:46.820 I watch all the animal videos.

01:06:48.980 Okay, I love the baby hippo.

01:06:50.320 I just, I just think I, I don't know, I think I definitely want to come back as that.

01:06:54.620 But anyway, the baby hippo is learning how to weight himself so that if she tries to

01:07:00.120 move him, he goes into, like, heavy hippo mode.

01:07:04.200 And she can't pick him up.

01:07:04.920 Even though he's a baby, she can't pick him up.

01:07:07.140 And, like, that's like Charlie, when they would come at him and they would say stuff

01:07:12.260 that if he caught you in the wrong moment, or like, if it caught me and I'm hungry,

01:07:15.540 because I'm a bitch when I'm hungry.

01:07:17.220 Like, I will rile for no one, you know, anything, boom.

01:07:20.660 He would go into, like, weighted hippo mode, right?

01:07:23.340 Yeah.

01:07:23.560 He would go, fuck.

01:07:25.240 And it wasn't, you couldn't see it, but he was, he would, nothing, you could have just

01:07:29.800 battered him and he would not have gone down, would he?

01:07:32.560 And that was such a great thing.

01:07:34.840 And I actually, I disagree with the people who are doing the obnoxiously simple thing

01:07:42.400 of taking Charlie clips where he's supposed to be a bad guy and then explaining why he's

01:07:47.780 actually a good guy with another clip.

01:07:50.280 I find that so obnoxiously simplistic content.

01:07:53.400 I can't even bear it because you don't have to answer to that crap because he wasn't those

01:07:58.400 things.

01:07:59.020 So all you have to say is, well, that's a load of crap and I'm not even going to give

01:08:02.260 it the airtime.

01:08:02.960 And why do people, you know, they want the click so they play the bad stuff about Charlie.

01:08:09.160 It's just, that is so lame.

01:08:12.580 It's the indulgence of cretins for clicks.

01:08:17.600 Yeah, it is.

01:08:18.720 And we do that in our lives as well.

01:08:20.640 Yeah.

01:08:21.160 I remember when I was.

01:08:22.280 We, some of us, we need to cling to the negative.

01:08:29.900 That's where we're fed.

01:08:30.900 We can't, a lot of us don't even know what the positive is.

01:08:35.180 Right, right, right.

01:08:37.300 And this indulgence of cretins is something I try through what I do to help people see.

01:08:44.660 Yeah.

01:08:45.160 Not, this is how you deal with cretins.

01:08:46.940 Watch me put this guy down.

01:08:48.300 Not that.

01:08:48.900 Not that.

01:08:49.300 Let me film Antifa and show them shouting.

01:08:52.100 Not that.

01:08:52.640 But how do you go like a heavy hippo and not indulge cretins?

01:08:57.680 So an example, my first husband, I'm counting them up, I'm on second.

01:09:03.600 Yeah.

01:09:04.040 The cool mark, my current husband.

01:09:05.780 Yeah, four.

01:09:07.040 See, you're my aspirational woman.

01:09:10.020 You're my role model, right?

01:09:11.180 But when Damien left me, not only did he just leave me, which, and I stole him from his wife.

01:09:17.900 So let's not, you know, let's not, oh, holier than thou.

01:09:22.000 He left me in the maternity ward.

01:09:26.040 Oh, my God.

01:09:26.900 With my second hour, second daughter.

01:09:29.320 So I just gave birth the following morning.

01:09:31.220 He was gone.

01:09:32.040 He ran off with the secretary.

01:09:33.780 Uh-oh.

01:09:34.000 But this isn't, this isn't a criticism of him.

01:09:36.960 So I had two children under the age of two on my own with no husband.

01:09:41.460 And I remember a friend from where I worked, she worked with, for me, whatever.

01:09:47.400 I remember her coming around going, oh, how are you doing?

01:09:50.780 God, it must be, must be so bad.

01:09:53.780 And I was reading about Damien and he's, he's, and I went, stop, stop.

01:09:59.860 Because she was about to show me, I don't know, I think he'd gone to Barbados or something, you know.

01:10:05.240 And I'd been deliberately, in order to self-preserve, not looking at anything because I couldn't, I couldn't.

01:10:11.200 Handle it.

01:10:11.740 And I just managed to say, stop.

01:10:14.420 I don't want to hear another thing.

01:10:16.600 I don't want to hear another thing.

01:10:18.500 Because one of the things people close to you with the knife in their hand do is going, oh, is it, is it, you must be, I'm so sorry, you must be feeling dreadful.

01:10:27.980 Or, and then they're waiting to catch.

01:10:30.080 I know, they want to help you feel worse.

01:10:32.240 They want to help you bleed.

01:10:34.220 And they want to catch your blood.

01:10:36.160 And then they want to make themselves feel better by, oh, my life is way better than hers right now.

01:10:41.540 Yeah.

01:10:42.140 And, and that's one of really the most powerful things I try and say to particularly women is be aware for those people.

01:10:49.860 And it's fine that they're in your lives.

01:10:51.620 And it's fine that you hang out with them, but don't fill them up.

01:10:54.700 Yeah.

01:10:54.960 Yeah.

01:10:55.260 See the trough that they come with, you know, if there was a bucket here.

01:10:58.380 See the bucket they're holding.

01:11:00.480 Let them hold the bucket.

01:11:02.440 Tell them you see the bucket.

01:11:03.540 Tell them, I see what you're trying to do, but I'm not going to fill you up with all of this.

01:11:07.800 You know what I mean?

01:11:08.780 Yes, I do.

01:11:09.640 They can still be with you.

01:11:10.880 They can still be your drinking partner, your work colleague.

01:11:13.240 You don't have to cut everyone out of your life if you don't want to.

01:11:16.680 But you can control what they do to you.

01:11:18.720 You control the cretin.

01:11:20.720 Yeah.

01:11:21.860 And I see it around Charlie now.

01:11:24.260 I see with the behavior of these people.

01:11:27.260 Yeah.

01:11:28.520 And I'm, it's okay.

01:11:29.560 Be, be a cretin.

01:11:30.500 I'm not going to go on social media and post about you being a cretin.

01:11:34.040 I don't need to.

01:11:34.780 I'm holding silence.

01:11:35.780 But I see you.

01:11:36.900 Yeah.

01:11:37.340 I see you.

01:11:38.080 And that's what's good in one way is that we do see.

01:11:41.160 We do see them.

01:11:42.560 And people see.

01:11:43.220 Witness.

01:11:43.400 And other quiet people bear witness.

01:11:45.800 Yeah.

01:11:46.500 Yeah.

01:11:46.800 I think it's all about witnessing what people are doing so we can see who they are.

01:11:52.980 And when they tell us we have to see it, we don't, we can't excuse it.

01:11:57.880 No.

01:11:58.440 We have to absolutely see it.

01:12:00.020 You don't have to react to it necessarily in that moment either.

01:12:04.500 You know, there's this saying about, you know, if you wake up.

01:12:06.200 And don't excuse them.

01:12:07.540 No, no.

01:12:08.140 Everybody rushes to excuse evil.

01:12:10.140 No, no, no.

01:12:10.520 You hold the bucket.

01:12:11.620 Yeah.

01:12:11.900 I see you with that bucket.

01:12:13.540 You will hold it.

01:12:14.400 Yeah.

01:12:14.740 I want you to know.

01:12:16.220 I see it.

01:12:16.940 I see you.

01:12:17.740 Yeah.

01:12:18.120 And then you leave that.

01:12:19.660 And then you wait quietly by the river.

01:12:22.540 Because if you wait there long enough, the bodies come floating by.

01:12:26.140 You know, that sense of hold your power.

01:12:29.180 Yeah.

01:12:29.460 Is the other thing.

01:12:30.900 Like, don't give it away.

01:12:32.120 Right.

01:12:32.520 That is what Charlie did.

01:12:33.800 Yeah.

01:12:34.240 I could see him go deep into center.

01:12:37.220 Yeah.

01:12:37.380 And just stand there in strength and belief.

01:12:40.440 No.

01:12:40.680 That was just such a great, great thing to model for people.

01:12:46.700 I think it's going to be felt for a really long time.

01:12:50.300 Yeah.

01:12:50.480 I don't even think it's explicable to people yet.

01:12:54.960 No.

01:12:55.660 Things, I think, things take time to find words and articulate them.

01:12:58.820 And also, I think things come, like, I imagine if you're having thoughts or whatever, come to you in quiet moments.

01:13:05.760 Yeah, they do.

01:13:06.060 And then suddenly you're impacted by something that you realize that you hadn't realized until that moment.

01:13:13.280 Right.

01:13:13.580 You can't sit and find it.

01:13:14.860 It has to come to you when you have space for it, I think.

01:13:19.620 So, but I still feel this weird, maybe an adrenaline overload from whatever, but there is this weird positivity out of it.

01:13:30.400 Yeah, I get that.

01:13:31.340 Optimism.

01:13:31.820 I have this huge sense of optimism out of it, with it.

01:13:36.520 I feel like, I'm going to ask you a question after this, but I feel like everything's being exposed for us to see, which this might be the first time in history when we're actually seeing everything being exposed before our eyes

01:14:03.400 and no amount of church or state and no amount of bullshit can keep us from seeing it clearly.

01:14:12.400 And that's huge.

01:14:14.600 And I agree.

01:14:16.760 I so see that.

01:14:18.220 And then I also see people arriving now with questions, questioning.

01:14:23.500 And I love that, that people are turning up.

01:14:26.400 You know, I call it with my kind of crowd.

01:14:29.440 Oh, so OFO.

01:14:31.460 Oh, fuck off.

01:14:32.680 Right.

01:14:32.940 So here, I say, in the audience, I say, I see you guys, because I really do.

01:14:37.940 I see them in the street.

01:14:38.940 I know when I walk past one of us.

01:14:41.200 Oh, fuck off.

01:14:42.660 Because we've been lied to and told stuff for so long.

01:14:45.560 That already, right here, it's there.

01:14:48.200 They're already, before you even say anything, they're like, I know enough now to know I'm not going to take any shit from you.

01:14:56.380 Whatever it is.

01:14:57.280 I'll listen and I'll decide for myself what I'll be doing next.

01:15:00.620 Thank you.

01:15:01.020 I love that people come with that.

01:15:02.960 And then I love, I love that we're able to show and demonstrate this loveliness.

01:15:10.960 So, so the rally with this aerial shot, just, just that is a purist kind of demonstration of just support for a something bigger than whatever we've been told.

01:15:23.140 And then at my shows now where my, my, not even my supporters, people will come to the show, sell them out in moments.

01:15:30.460 So the theatre will be reluctant to hold them.

01:15:33.080 48 theatres, if they will have the courage to hold a night.

01:15:46.800 It's only a comedy night, it's only a comedy night, for Christ's sake.

01:15:49.680 Then our lot will sell the place out in record time because they're putting power into us.

01:15:56.640 And then the theatre staff, without fail, will say to a lovely Mark usually, well, we were so surprised by the audience.

01:16:06.440 We were so surprised by how lovely the audience were.

01:16:11.220 And Mark will always say, well, thank you very much.

01:16:14.040 That's really kind.

01:16:15.080 The team will be really grateful to hear that.

01:16:17.320 But I want to say, that's on you.

01:16:21.580 You were surprised because you're an idiot.

01:16:24.820 Yeah.

01:16:25.000 Because you were sold that everybody around me, or any of us, whatever, is a, it's going to turn up and be a thug or a moron or a, you know.

01:16:34.760 And I, we don't do that because obviously lovely Mark knows better about how to manage a tour than I do.

01:16:40.420 But it's on you that you were surprised by my audience because I'm not surprised.

01:16:45.600 And I'm not surprised that there's a 92-year-old and an 18-year-old and sturdy lesbians by the hundreds because I love sturdy lesbians.

01:16:56.400 I know.

01:16:56.840 I'm not surprised because we know our side.

01:17:00.720 It's everyone.

01:17:01.640 Yeah.

01:17:02.100 It reminds me when I went to Las Vegas first to headline after I sang the, I butchered the national anthem and everything.

01:17:10.060 And they did a big thing on Vegas and they asked this guy, what's the most surprising thing you've seen in Vegas in your 30-year career?

01:17:19.620 And he said, believe it or not, he said that the audience supports Roseanne Barr.

01:17:27.700 That's what he said.

01:17:29.240 That is precision.

01:17:30.720 Yeah.

01:17:30.900 Exactly.

01:17:32.060 Well, I mean, apart from the fact that you just threw in there when I headlined in Vegas, which was kind of, that was quite a power move.

01:17:39.180 I'd really like to be able to say that.

01:17:41.420 But other than that, the precision of that, that's precisely what I'm living now.

01:17:46.900 It's shocked and he's like, what?

01:17:48.480 People like Roseanne Barr?

01:17:50.460 And they still say it all the time.

01:17:52.540 What?

01:17:53.100 People like Roseanne Barr?

01:17:54.820 They can't fucking believe it.

01:17:56.180 No, and even then, after you stand on a stage and say, I'm, you know, at the front of the end of a show, not here for you to agree with me tonight.

01:18:04.260 I'm not here to be liked.

01:18:05.580 And at various points tonight, you'll probably be offended.

01:18:08.020 And that's perfect.

01:18:08.860 Like we, I suspect, I have never asked to be liked.

01:18:12.940 I just want to make people laugh.

01:18:15.260 Right.

01:18:15.700 But what I'm saying is you never asked to be liked.

01:18:18.340 You've always just been out there saying your shit, doing your shit.

01:18:21.060 Yeah.

01:18:21.580 Doing your skill, your craft.

01:18:23.140 I want to piss people off.

01:18:24.380 Piss people off.

01:18:25.020 Make them laugh.

01:18:25.580 I think.

01:18:26.020 Make them laugh.

01:18:28.200 Oh, your mic's gone.

01:18:29.120 Yeah.

01:18:29.300 Yeah.

01:18:29.780 I want, I want to provoke.

01:18:31.220 You had a slump.

01:18:32.040 You want to, we want to provoke people into thought.

01:18:36.340 Or, or, or love us.

01:18:38.000 Or hate us.

01:18:38.860 Or do both in the same minutes.

01:18:40.940 But what are you going to do now?

01:18:42.340 You're, you're doing your show and you're doing, you're kind of doing an evening with, a salon kind of thing.

01:18:48.980 What are you doing?

01:18:49.760 No, it's, I'm going to, I'm going to be not British and put myself down and be apologetic for myself.

01:18:56.920 I'm just going to try and say what I do.

01:18:59.220 I do a stand up comedy show.

01:19:01.840 That's awesome.

01:19:02.840 I have a warm up guy for 20 minutes who is, I love him.

01:19:07.900 He's brilliant.

01:19:08.680 He started on Britain's Got Talent, but he's actually funny.

01:19:11.620 And then I do.

01:19:12.460 That's amazing.

01:19:13.100 30 minutes first half.

01:19:14.660 I do a strong 45 second half and people have loved it.

01:19:20.280 This is the third tour we've done this year.

01:19:23.000 We, I did 55 venues, all five nations.

01:19:26.980 Wow.

01:19:27.440 50 odd thousand tickets, fully sold out.

01:19:30.540 Fastest selling small tour in the UK.

01:19:34.020 Great.

01:19:34.260 And, uh, and we're on every single venue has rebooked for next year.

01:19:38.960 And some of them now are a week long in these theaters in towns where I'm not, I shouldn't be there, but I am.

01:19:46.240 And so I call it one of them.

01:19:47.620 I'm calling my residency like Vegas, like Celine Dion, but more agile.

01:19:53.000 I call her Celine Dion.

01:19:54.780 I did, there was some funny shit around Celine Dion, which you and I are not going into right at this minute.

01:20:01.640 But anyway, it's super, it's turned out to be super successful.

01:20:06.100 And I am beyond grateful to everybody who comes because they come in, many of them come alone.

01:20:12.560 They leave feeling better and we have a great time.

01:20:15.220 That's the best thing in the world.

01:20:16.520 Are you going to do it in the States?

01:20:19.120 I, do you know how much I'd love to do it here?

01:20:21.400 I would love to see you do it here.

01:20:23.520 And do you know how much I, I want to use my words carefully, but maybe I shouldn't.

01:20:29.220 Maybe I should just use my words.

01:20:31.020 It pisses me off that no bastard male standup has thought, oh, why don't I get Katie over as my warmup?

01:20:41.360 Like how much, how frigging, I'm not saying I'm anything.

01:20:45.260 I'm not saying I've got a bitch.

01:20:46.040 Well, you're no warmup.

01:20:47.400 That's why.

01:20:48.060 Well, no, I'll be, I'll be in anything.

01:20:49.600 But I just mean like freaking hell, boys, boys on the network or the team or the conservative.

01:20:56.760 Oh, well, they hate us.

01:20:58.120 I know.

01:20:58.680 I mean, they hate women.

01:21:00.140 I mean, they do.

01:21:01.640 You know, it's just disgusting.

01:21:04.220 And I see these like, you shouldn't, bitch, but I'm just going to have one moment where I do.

01:21:07.920 Okay, do.

01:21:08.140 You see these people who are just not fucking funny.

01:21:10.620 They're not.

01:21:11.240 Because they're a guy or because they're whatever they, they're, they get these comedy nights and I just think, oh, fuck off.

01:21:18.220 Yeah.

01:21:18.660 Well, they're not funny.

01:21:19.940 And so, you know, we are funny.

01:21:23.000 We are funny.

01:21:23.720 And that's all right.

01:21:24.280 We're funnier than shit.

01:21:25.240 Yeah.

01:21:25.440 And they hate that.

01:21:26.820 And, and they're just boring and stayed.

01:21:30.280 Yeah.

01:21:30.600 But I get all these people saying, I'd love to come and see you.

01:21:33.080 Let me know when you're coming over.

01:21:34.240 I'd love to come to one of your shows.

01:21:35.600 And I want to go, yeah, go on then.

01:21:36.820 Tell one of the boys to book me.

01:21:38.920 Yeah, that, but that's a slight personal way.

01:21:41.260 I think we should start our own thing and I am working on it.

01:21:44.360 Let's do it.

01:21:44.940 A whole woman thing that doesn't have nothing to do with dicks.

01:21:49.400 Or periods.

01:21:49.880 I'm so sick of dick tards.

01:21:52.840 I'm just over it.

01:21:54.020 No, we're not doing that woman stuff.

01:21:55.920 No, I'm over dick tarded humans.

01:21:58.240 Yeah, I know that.

01:21:58.780 And I want elevated comedy material and thoughtful, thought provoking stuff.

01:22:06.560 So, um, you know, I am working on it, but then, you know, I.

01:22:11.860 Get waylaid by life.

01:22:14.980 Cheese.

01:22:15.440 Cheese.

01:22:16.040 And wine.

01:22:16.880 No, but I am thinking of it.

01:22:18.580 I love cheese.

01:22:19.460 I am putting something together, aren't I, Jake?

01:22:22.080 Yeah.

01:22:22.400 Lots of exciting announcements coming in there.

01:22:24.260 Lots of exciting things.

01:22:25.720 So I will book you.

01:22:26.620 It's so nice of you to have each other.

01:22:27.900 I will book you.

01:22:29.020 I just want to.

01:22:29.740 Oh, bless you.

01:22:30.340 That wasn't a, that wasn't a cry for help.

01:22:31.980 I know it wasn't a cry for help.

01:22:35.020 I want all the funny women.

01:22:37.500 I want to promote and be part of people seeing how funny women are.

01:22:47.420 Can be.

01:22:48.060 Some women are not fucking funny.

01:22:49.780 Well, I just want the funny ones.

01:22:51.500 And there's a lot of them.

01:22:52.760 Where are you living now?

01:22:55.900 Now.

01:22:56.480 Are you on the road or?

01:22:57.180 Yeah.

01:22:57.420 So my favorite place is to be on the road.

01:22:59.240 So with the tour we just did, it was from April to the end of, uh, nearly the end of

01:23:04.280 August, just every night moving, um, or every couple of nights moving with a van.

01:23:09.780 Doing that next year too.

01:23:11.060 Doing that next year from April through to August again.

01:23:14.720 So are you here in the States till April or?

01:23:17.240 No, but I want to be back over here.

01:23:19.260 We want to spend more time here.

01:23:21.040 I do want to do shows over here.

01:23:22.960 Oh, you need to.

01:23:23.820 Yeah.

01:23:23.980 I want to, I want to, and I want to, you know, it's obviously it's a different kind of

01:23:27.600 humor.

01:23:27.860 It's a different kind of funny and it's a different kind of audience, which I totally

01:23:30.960 respect, but just, I just love being out amongst ordinary people.

01:23:37.180 And, and also I really believe that the idleness of so many of the big names, and I'm not making

01:23:44.800 this just a boy thing, but the idleness of so many of the big names is that it is obsessed

01:23:50.080 by the negative.

01:23:51.040 It is a regurgitation of all the darkness.

01:23:55.200 It is.

01:23:55.740 Oh, let's play Charlie's worst clips so that then we can talk about why they're not true.

01:24:00.540 It's so lame and lazy.

01:24:02.940 What happened to just boosting this stuff up?

01:24:05.760 What happened to just finding the funny with a message?

01:24:09.140 Yeah.

01:24:09.240 You know, and you know, it's all about, uh, the choice between uplifting and degrading.

01:24:16.740 Correct.

01:24:17.220 In a really macro way as well.

01:24:20.560 We either uplift humanity and each other, or you're going to degrade and you're degrading

01:24:25.240 when you reuse content and replay, but where's original, fresh written content?

01:24:31.260 Which is the other thing is the absence of clever crafting of what has been put out.

01:24:37.500 The absence of crafting.

01:24:39.260 So, Candice sitting at her microphone, where's the crafted written funny, which is the actual

01:24:46.580 art of the thing, of course.

01:24:47.760 No wit.

01:24:48.160 I don't need to be saying this to you.

01:24:49.720 No wit.

01:24:50.520 Right.

01:24:52.280 And then people will say, oh, did you do all that off your cuff?

01:24:56.620 Sure.

01:24:58.100 Sure I did.

01:24:59.200 It's 45 minutes of funny.

01:25:01.520 Yeah, sure.

01:25:02.000 I made it up as I went along.

01:25:04.240 Well, I do that when I'm drunk enough.

01:25:06.540 Yeah.

01:25:06.860 Well, that's because you've, you're a, you have the wisdom of ages to be as funny.

01:25:10.720 Well, because I'm so damn old and bitter.

01:25:13.920 I've been doing standup for a long time.

01:25:15.580 Can I ask you one question from an ego standpoint for you?

01:25:19.540 You're blacklisted for a long time.

01:25:21.740 UK, you're the most hated person in UK.

01:25:23.580 Now you're booking shows.

01:25:25.540 You're what?

01:25:26.880 Just be honest.

01:25:28.240 How great does that fucking feel?

01:25:30.560 That's got to be validating.

01:25:32.020 Oh.

01:25:32.560 It's the redemption, right?

01:25:34.440 You stuck it out.

01:25:35.220 And it's happening for her too.

01:25:36.680 Like, none of you ever, well, you apologize, but you didn't.

01:25:40.980 And you stuck it out.

01:25:42.140 No.

01:25:42.600 How does that feel?

01:25:43.300 No, I know.

01:25:44.500 No, but I, um, just.

01:25:46.320 But you never changed.

01:25:47.180 No, you never changed.

01:25:48.320 You stayed true.

01:25:49.360 Yeah.

01:25:49.880 With your, like a railway track, like grinding into the thing.

01:25:52.980 And time comes around.

01:25:53.920 I know.

01:25:54.500 And amazing to, and I genuinely, to be alive, to, because I always, you know, your time could

01:26:02.640 be up at any time, seizures and things, whatever, but your time can be up.

01:26:06.240 So my time could have been up in amongst the most dreadful of times, the darkest of hours.

01:26:10.920 And I got to be alive till now with this huge redemption that I didn't go and ask for, but I was afforded.

01:26:20.300 Yes.

01:26:20.680 And I never have apologized, nor explained, nor will I.

01:26:24.720 People have been, have enabled me to be redeemed whilst understanding that I don't apologize and I don't retract.

01:26:31.860 So suck it up, like it, hate it, whatever, but here we are.

01:26:35.280 Yeah.

01:26:35.420 And then they came to this moment in time where it turned out they needed broken assed women who have no shame because we won't be shamed because we've done dastardly things, but it's okay because we pretty much want everyone to be all right.

01:26:49.140 And we got to live at this minute.

01:26:51.640 That is correct.

01:26:53.920 You know, I've got deported.

01:26:56.380 I was deported from Australia and banned from four years.

01:26:59.740 I've got deported tattooed on my ass cheek.

01:27:01.880 And there's something about that tattoo that I really love because there's this front facing woman on a stage with 1500 people who paid to come and have a nice time.

01:27:12.880 Don't care about me.

01:27:13.860 And I've got deported on my ass cheek behind me.

01:27:17.260 And it's like, that's the same woman was deported is now able to sell out massive gigs and for us massive.

01:27:25.180 And it's so, I'm so bloody lucky.

01:27:30.480 I wake up like, I mean, I also wake up being pissy or with a headache or needing a piss or with my long labia, you know, there's downsides to it all, right?

01:27:39.160 But I love that.

01:27:39.800 Getting all tied up in your legs and tripping you up.

01:27:43.540 Yeah.

01:27:43.760 So my left leg now goes off on its own.

01:27:46.520 The fucking thing.

01:27:48.240 My, not a joke.

01:27:49.300 So after my brain surgery and stuff, some of my outer periphery is gone, but my left leg, if I don't look at my left foot, I don't know where it is, right?

01:27:58.400 For real?

01:27:58.960 No, for real.

01:27:59.720 Wow.

01:27:59.860 This is real.

01:28:00.660 Yeah.

01:28:00.780 So this foot here, so obviously I can see, I can touch it.

01:28:03.320 But if I'm not watching it, it fucks off on its own and it does its own thing under tables.

01:28:10.380 Wow.

01:28:10.540 I've had guys look at me and then I realized my left foot is up on their nuts or whatever.

01:28:15.780 I'm like, fucking get back here, you cripple spastic.

01:28:20.060 I'm a proper spaz.

01:28:22.760 And actually it's the last thing I got hauled into the police station for in the UK just before I got here.

01:28:29.240 I was told I would either be arrested or I had to turn up for interview under caution was because on my Katie's Arms, my pub, where I just, you know, let rip, whatever.

01:28:38.660 I called myself a spaz and I got arrested effectively by British police because that's offensive.

01:28:45.740 Jesus.

01:28:47.060 It's demonic.

01:28:48.280 Yeah, I'm waiting to find out if I'm going to be charged against the Online Communications Act for calling myself a spaz.

01:28:59.120 I'm so terrified of going to the UK.

01:29:01.900 Yeah, don't do it.

01:29:02.620 Don't ever do it.

01:29:03.340 I don't know why, honestly, why?

01:29:05.200 I mean, I would love you to be there, but why would you go?

01:29:07.660 No.

01:29:07.940 Honestly, when you live here.

01:29:09.600 Terrified.

01:29:09.820 I would go, but I'd put a big piece of tape on my mouth so I could never speak.

01:29:14.520 Well, they can arrest you for tweets you did.

01:29:16.780 Oh, that's true.

01:29:17.420 Never, never tape your mouth.

01:29:19.220 Your mouth is needed more than ever.

01:29:20.800 And I just wanted to say, because I nearly got to say, that I think the two of you, like, without being sycophantic, it is beyond unbelievably magical that you two, I don't even know about what your relationship is, but that you do this with each other, that you have this with each other.

01:29:42.820 It's unbelievable to me.

01:29:44.740 Yeah.

01:29:45.020 No, we love it.

01:29:46.060 She hates me, our real relationship, but.

01:29:48.700 No, we love each other so much.

01:29:50.640 I'm so proud of my son.

01:29:52.280 We do a good thing.

01:29:53.320 We do a good thing, and we're happy.

01:29:55.360 We get along.

01:29:56.620 We didn't always get along.

01:29:57.840 We've never not gotten along, but we didn't always get along.

01:30:00.520 We didn't get along like that time where I threw you up against the wall and smashed you in the fucking head.

01:30:05.780 That never happened.

01:30:06.300 Because you wanted to go live with your dad, and I was so pissed.

01:30:10.900 But we definitely get along.

01:30:11.860 And I said, you're my son.

01:30:14.460 You're not your father's son, so you better fucking get that through your head.

01:30:20.000 Yeah.

01:30:20.940 But now look at us.

01:30:22.020 We're so happy.

01:30:23.220 Yeah.

01:30:23.460 He came back to me, and so I've liked him since then.

01:30:31.800 That's touching.

01:30:34.960 I've tolerated him since then.

01:30:38.640 No, I've really loved him.

01:30:39.920 I think it's a very, I have a son who's 16, but I think it's a remarkable mark of a success story for any of your kids to want to be anywhere near, not you, but be anywhere near us.

01:30:52.980 I think that's epic.

01:30:54.020 It is epic.

01:30:54.980 If any of my kids, but particularly my son wants to be anywhere near me, when I'm in such an old bag as you, then I'll know I've done well.

01:31:02.200 No shit.

01:31:02.980 Isn't that a saying that the true wealth is that your kids want to hang out with you?

01:31:06.740 It is.

01:31:07.420 It's the greatest thing.

01:31:08.680 And it's something really striking when you have kids, 16, 17, whatever, you look at this, and you go, shit, I know what the answer is.

01:31:18.060 And for your grandchildren to like you is such a blessing, too.

01:31:21.680 So, like I was going to tell about my grandson that told me, I don't know if he'll like this, but Cosmo, you know.

01:31:31.880 No, it's hilarious.

01:31:32.580 Should we say?

01:31:33.120 It's so funny.

01:31:34.140 You've got approval for the son.

01:31:34.940 He came out.

01:31:36.000 I'll do it so you don't get in trouble.

01:31:37.380 He came out, and he goes, you know, Granny, I'm coming out to you today.

01:31:43.620 When he was 19, he goes, I'm coming out to you.

01:31:46.520 And I go, as what?

01:31:49.140 He goes, I'm coming out to you as a gay.

01:31:52.180 I'm gay.

01:31:54.160 And, you know, our family, we always say all the bad words.

01:31:58.700 I go, you're a faggot.

01:32:01.500 And he was like, yes, I am.

01:32:03.060 He goes, yeah, I'm a faggot.

01:32:04.560 And I go, that is so fucking fantastic.

01:32:07.840 I'm going to call my brother because he's a faggot, too.

01:32:10.880 I go, let me call my brother.

01:32:12.620 He's going to be so proud.

01:32:14.400 So I called my gay brother, and I go, guess what?

01:32:18.260 Cosmo's a faggot.

01:32:19.720 And my brother goes, I'm so happy.

01:32:24.100 He goes, I'll put him on.

01:32:25.880 He goes, I am so thrilled that the faggot gene has stayed alive in our family.

01:32:32.160 You're the only one.

01:32:33.180 I'm so happy that we have a little faggola in our family, and we all celebrated.

01:32:38.740 That's just, that's so super cute.

01:32:40.660 But that's our family, you know.

01:32:41.680 Do you know one guy I used to date?

01:32:43.440 He came out as gay to get away from me.

01:32:46.720 Yeah.

01:32:47.840 True story.

01:32:48.620 My brother did that.

01:32:49.720 Yeah.

01:32:49.980 I mean, he was actually gay all along.

01:32:51.200 I didn't realize.

01:32:51.640 Yes.

01:32:51.920 You're going to get mad at me for telling him.

01:32:53.360 Both of you came out as gay.

01:32:55.260 Jake came out to me as gay, and I go, you're gay?

01:32:58.800 Are you kidding me?

01:32:59.720 He goes, okay, no, I'm not gay, but I dropped out of college.

01:33:04.420 So that you would have some perspective.

01:33:06.140 And then I said, aren't you glad I'm not gay?

01:33:08.200 Yeah, this is a relative thing, Mom.

01:33:10.360 Yeah, nice play.

01:33:11.300 I like that.

01:33:12.020 I was smart.

01:33:12.920 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:13.900 No, I just think that is success.

01:33:16.920 It is.

01:33:17.100 And I think that's true for so many things is, you know, anytime you feel yourself getting

01:33:24.080 your head pulled down or whatever.

01:33:25.720 If you look at the smallest thing there is, a thing, whatever, you realize that's the

01:33:31.240 stuff that matters, right?

01:33:32.800 It's just love.

01:33:34.000 It's just love.

01:33:34.840 And Charlie was about love.

01:33:36.600 He's like, I don't agree with you.

01:33:38.640 And you're kind of an asshole and, you know, an idiot.

01:33:42.020 But, you know, I still love you.

01:33:43.920 I still love you.

01:33:45.060 That's what's so great about Charlie.

01:33:46.900 And that's what, and that's, you know, I think that's so awesome that you've achieved

01:33:49.900 that.

01:33:50.520 You've been very successful.

01:33:51.860 We can call each other all kinds of things and say all kinds of disparaging things.

01:33:57.520 But, you know, the arms are always open.

01:34:00.120 Yeah.

01:34:00.560 And that's what's so great about the Western world.

01:34:04.260 Amen.

01:34:04.460 And I want to thank you for being on our show today.

01:34:07.720 And we love you so much.

01:34:09.960 We want you to come back.

01:34:11.460 We want you to come back and perform.

01:34:13.780 And we'll, we're, we're working on some kind of a thing to make that happen.

01:34:18.660 We will be able to book you.

01:34:22.100 That's what I will say.

01:34:22.860 Yeah.

01:34:23.280 As a headliner.

01:34:24.860 Oh.

01:34:25.360 And we will do that.

01:34:27.060 Thank you.

01:34:27.380 Well, now I have to be British, you see, and I have to go, oh, I didn't mean that.

01:34:30.000 Thank you very much.

01:34:30.600 But don't go to any trouble.

01:34:31.940 I know I do do that.

01:34:32.660 No, but we.

01:34:33.400 We're taking like 80% of whatever you make.

01:34:35.440 Yeah, perfect.

01:34:35.760 Okay.

01:34:35.920 Yeah, because we are Jews.

01:34:37.420 We are Jews.

01:34:37.960 Yeah, come on.

01:34:38.540 Be true to form.

01:34:39.800 But you are a delightful guest and we hope to have you back again.

01:34:43.040 Thank you.

01:34:43.600 And I honestly, I feel beyond, beyond privileged to have met you.

01:34:49.960 It was a blast.

01:34:50.940 You are rock and roll.

01:34:52.160 And my favorite thing about you, if I may, apart from your lovely relationship, your family,

01:34:56.260 is that when you laugh, you throw your head back and you cackle like an old witch.

01:35:01.040 And that's the sort of laughter I want people to have.

01:35:04.220 That, look at you.

01:35:04.760 It is so great.

01:35:05.700 Yeah, isn't it the greatest?

01:35:07.240 To just laugh.

01:35:08.700 Let it go.

01:35:09.680 Let it go and make it loud.

01:35:11.660 Yeah, as loud as you can.

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The Roseanne Barr Podcast - September 19, 2025

Calling Out the Right’s Vultures with Katie Hopkins ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #116

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