Dinesh D'Souza ｜ The Roseanne Barr Podcast #022
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Dinesh D'Souza joins me to discuss his new film, "Police State: Right Now" and why he thinks we are becoming a police state. We talk about 9/11 and why we should all be worried about what is happening to our liberties, and how we are losing them. We also talk about how the police state has its roots in the Watergate scandal and how it has been used against American citizens, and why it will continue to be used against us in the future. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it wakes you up to the threat that we are heading toward becoming a Police State. Please play responsibly, and if you can't handle hockey, then you should play responsibly. -Roseanne Barr Roseanne Barr is a writer, comedian, and podcaster. She is a regular contributor to the New York Times, NPR, and the Los Angeles Times, and is a frequent contributor to The Huffington Post. Her latest novel Other Words For Smoke is out now, and it's out on Amazon Prime and Vimeo. Her book Other Words for Smoke is also available in Kindle, iBook, Paperback, and Audio Bookshop. Please take a look at the Kindle, and subscribe to the podcast on Audible, wherever you get your books, if you're looking for a copy of the book recommendation. It's a must-listen to be sure to get the best book recommendation, The Dark Side of the Dark Side Of... and much more! Thank you for listening to this episode of The Roseanne Roseanne' podcast? Subscribe to my podcast and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and more. Subscribe on Podchaser on Podcoin.me/Roseannealphavir Subscribe & subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad-free version of the RoseanneRoseanne Rosebruvio Send me your thoughts on this podcast and other podcasting tips, reviews on the podcasting etiquette and tips on how I can help me spread the word out there about my podcasting on social media? I'm looking out for the best of the work I do you're listening to me on the road and I'll be spreading the word about it everywhere else and I'm listening to it on this week's best of what I'm spreading it everywhere I'm doing it on the internet, too of my podcast, too much of it's cool, I'm watching it on my podcast
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Greetings, Earthlings. Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.
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I have such an interesting show today because I have a fantastically interesting guest.
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He's a great filmmaker and a great thinker and a great American citizen.
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Hey, it's great to be here and it's a surreal experience for me to be sitting next to you.
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Yeah, I want to go right into watching your film, which is called Police State, right?
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Yes, it, you know, I came to the country, to the United States in 1978 as a teenager and I was exhilarated by American freedom, opportunity, but also these unalienable rights.
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And there they are in the Bill of Rights, you know, freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, right to assemble, right to petition the government for grievances, equal rights, equal justice under the law.
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And so here we fast forward to now and I realize suddenly, whoa, all these rights have come into jeopardy and the pretext might vary.
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You know, it's 9-11, it's due to COVID, it's due to January 6th, but whatever the rationale, the movement is in the same direction toward the extinguishing of our liberties.
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And that's why the startling question, which really I couldn't have made, I couldn't have asked 10 years ago, are we becoming a police state?
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Well, I love the film, I wanted to say, because, and I want to thank you for giving us a cohesive timeline, because I think that that's very much missing.
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And I think that it's missing on purpose, because they don't give us the, what's the word, Jake, when things go in a certain order?
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We don't have a sequential memory of how things start slowly and then keep going in small steps.
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And you have made that very clear in the movie, and I think it's very needed for people, in order to wake them up so they see how their rights are being eroded and how dangerous that is.
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Yeah, this police state has a genealogy, a storyline.
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It has a starting point, and I was trying to think about where that starting point was.
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Does it go back to the days of J. Edgar Hoover, who was kind of a freak, you know, and liked to keep files, secret files on people, Martin Luther King and other people?
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Does it go back to Ruby Ridge and Waco, those incidents from the 1990s?
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There's one under Bush, one under Bill Clinton.
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And I think the real turning point is the years of George W. Bush after 9-11.
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And this is a little awkward to say, because although the police state is being driven by the left today, it has bipartisan roots.
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Because after 9-11, there were many people, I'm sorry to say me included, who said, okay, you know, we got these bad guys, these Islamic terrorists, they want to kill us.
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We're going to have to give the government these enhanced powers.
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And there were people then who warned, Ron Paul being one of them, and others, don't do that.
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And we were like, nah, that's not going to happen.
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And I think it started under Obama, the retooling, the reshifting of the police state toward political opponents.
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And it's now escalated dramatically under Biden.
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And I like that you went into so much of that, how who's being targeted?
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Certainly not the, what is it, the number of millions of people who are pouring across the border unvetted, you know, to make up the population of three states, they say.
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Certainly not them, but the target is Catholics, who believe you shouldn't, you know, abort their pro-life.
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And you show a lot of that, the pro-life movement, people who are specifically, you know, aghast over the Democrat idea, in New York especially, of making it legal to abort babies after they're born alive, or up until the time they take their first breath.
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Yeah, I wanted to show that the police state is not simply Trump.
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Because there are going to be guys who go, well, you know, I'm not Trump, Dinesh, and I didn't go in the Capitol on January 6th, and I pay my taxes.
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I'm a good guy, so I don't have anything to worry about the police state never coming after me.
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I'm never going to hear the FBI battering ram or the helicopter over my lawn.
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And I'm like, eh, don't be so sure, because there are a lot of ordinary people, some of them school board, moms who go to school board meetings because they don't like what their kids are getting in school.
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People who went to Washington, D.C. around January 6th, but they didn't go to the Trump rally.
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And they're on a watch list, and there are federal marshals following them around to this day.
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So all this kind of craziness is in the movie, and I think the left is a little startled because they can't challenge it.
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There's not a single fact in the movie that's even open to dispute.
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And so I think the movie has a very unnerving experience about people who are still, and many Republicans, many conservatives, still think, you know, we're living in a free society.
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The pendulum swings over here, but it's going to swing back.
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And it takes a horrible set of circumstances, catastrophic war in the case of the Nazis, the, you know, implosion of a whole society in the case of the Soviet Union.
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That's what really astounds me is that the left who, you know, I used to be left.
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But, well, when I was in the left, we were for free speech.
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You know, we were for dialogue and argument and, you know, compromise.
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I mean, all these things are not, have no part in the left, nor, surprisingly, does any talk of labor rights.
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We're dealing with a completely new left, and we're dealing with a completely different Democratic Party.
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I mean, the Democratic Party was a one-party state kind of in the 19, from the 1930s, FDR, all the way to Reagan.
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Because there was a Republican Party, but it was kind of almost like a token opposition.
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But the Democrats weren't the same Democrats as we have today.
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They didn't want to take away your free speech rights.
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And we've had police states in our history, but they've tended to be, for a limited time, wartime, or they have tended to focus on, well, blacks obviously lived in a police state in the slavery South, and in the post-Bella Mira.
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But the idea of turning the whole country into a police state and criminalizing the entire opposition and trying to lock up the leader of the opposition party, this is unheard of.
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So we have taken a dark turn in our country's politics, and as you said, the goal of this film, people have seen it happening a little over here, digital censorship, criminalization of political differences, political prisoners.
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Criminalization of somebody who dissents against the sanctified narrative, too.
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And often the narrative, they act like they're fighting misinformation and disinformation, but they are the number one purveyors of disinformation.
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Things like, you know, if you take the vaccine, you can't get COVID.
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If you take the vaccine, you can't give someone COVID.
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But if you challenge it, they ban you for misinformation when they are the instruments of, they are the agents of misinformation.
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Well, they're all in bed together, and it seems like they're all pulling their wagons in a circle, and they are horrified at the prospect that their web of power could be broken.
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So doesn't that mean that it kind of is being broken in some ways?
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Because if they weren't under some kind of feeling of threat, they wouldn't be saying anything.
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There's no question that if they thought that they had an overwhelming majority of people on their side, they wouldn't need to do police state tactics.
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The reason police state tactics and coercive tactics are used is you have to force people.
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And I think this is going on at all levels of the society.
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One of the issues we look at in the film is, you know, clearly every FBI agent can't be a thug.
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There have got to be some ordinary guys who go in there.
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They have a law enforcement background, military background.
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But what happens is the police state is very cunning.
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It is able to recruit good people to do bad things.
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And it does it by removing the end goal from sight and focusing on the operational task.
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Yeah, they're not going to say, you know, go kill these people and get rid of them.
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They're like, listen, these people are like a menace to society, but we're going to handle it.
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You don't have to worry about what is their ultimate fate.
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Your job is to label them and define them and to identify them and, if necessary, to apprehend them.
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The process will then take over from there, and you don't worry about it.
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I think that's what happens with the ordinary FBI agent.
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I realize she's 70 years old, and you're not going to feel good about pulling her hair and twisting arms behind her back.
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She's doing something really bad, and you don't worry about what it is.
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And then the FBI guy goes, well, you know, I want to be on the team.
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You know, they brought MKUltra over here in Operation Paperclip after World War II.
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They brought all that Nazi intelligence over to the United States, and they never gave it up.
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And it was how to control population with mass mind control.
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And, of course, we have the media, which is, I mean, self-evident to everyone who watches it.
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It only tells—I used to think it only told one side, but now I realize it doesn't tell the truth of any side.
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It's very disturbing because in classic police states, think of, like, you know, Goebbels in Germany or even Stalin.
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You've got all these news organizations, thousands of independent journalists.
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So it's even more mysterious how you get our media to sing out of the same hymn book when nobody is directly providing a hymn book,
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and nobody is forcing them to all sing the same music, but they do.
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But I think Elon Musk proved that they were in cahoots, and that's the definition of fascism when corporations get in bed with the government.
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So the government, you know, the Biden administration and the Obama administration, to get Trump—I mean, the Obama administration, in order to get Trump,
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was calling Zuckerberg and all these people and saying, you will say he's a Russian agent, and you will say Russia, Russia, Russia, and you will say that,
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and you will say it every day for four years, everywhere.
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No, I mean, there was the intelligence officials who put out the false narrative that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.
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It shows that our police state is a big octopus that stretches across the public sector and the private sector.
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It includes academia and the media, so many elements of our society.
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That's part of what makes it so disturbing, because part of it can be fixed with, you know, Trump goes back in the White House.
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He can redo the Department of Homeland Security.
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YouTube is still going to ban people, and Facebook is still going to ban people.
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And, you know, I wish they had kept an injunction saying to these digital platforms,
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in the meantime, you cannot collude with the government.
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But they said, you can do what you want right now.
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They could administer a really good dropkick to censorship.
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It would be very good for America to not have censorship of...
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So YouTube could still have its own guidelines, but they couldn't collude with the government.
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The court can withdraw the grubby hand of the government from this censorship operation.
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And it would be progress if they were in collusion with any government anywhere on earth.
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Well, this is important because the police state, you saw this in the film, of course,
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You'll hear some rhetoric in America and you think it's like homegrown, you know, like American nonsense.
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So this concept of a police planet becomes very disquieting.
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Historically, I mean, Mao was able to do it in China.
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And the Soviets within the vast Russian Empire.
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But none of them could create a worldwide tyranny.
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And ironically, technology, which is in so many ways an instrument of liberation,
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now enables tyrannical control to a degree that these earlier powers could never have dreamed of.
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I thought that, you know, if Hitler had had computers, it's like that.
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It's a set that, you know, wants world domination for a few at the expense of the many.
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And the useless eaters, we're kicking them off this planet.
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You know, there was a Stalin-Hitler pact that everybody forgets about.
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The right wing and the left wing are exactly the same.
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To me, and I want to ask you, how far along down this path towards total lockdown and police state world do you think we are?
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I would say that on a scale of 1 to 10, we are somewhere between 6 and 7.
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We're not even close to being a full-fledged police state.
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Frankly, if we're a full-fledged police state, I can't make a movie called Police State.
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So the point of making the movie is to sound a warning, an alarm, before we get to that point where it's too late and the jaws of the police state have slammed shut.
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But, you know, when you look at police states around the world, let's take North Korea right now, China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and the old Soviet Union.
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And you ask, well, what do those places all have in common?
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What are the five or six things that they all have?
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They have ideological indoctrination and propaganda in the schools and in the media.
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They are one-party states where they try to shut down opposition and lock up the leaders of the opposition party.
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So just take that list and go down the checklist and see which of those things do you now see in America.
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And that is enough to sound the alarm and say that this is not an idle fear.
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This is, in fact, we had a bunch of people at our Mar-a-Lago premiere who are, you know, who've grown up in police states.
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There was a woman from China who was there last night and she was like, I really see how eerie it is to see Maoism, is how she puts it,
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Because I think he is the, you know, I don't, someone in the film says,
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normally police states have a dictator and you know who's running it.
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And it's, you know, in the Soviet Union, of course, it was initially Lenin and then Stalin and then on to Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov, and so on.
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And then there's an awkward silence because we don't really know all, but, but we do know that the guy who was clearly the architect of getting us moving in that direction is Obama.
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You know, he said himself that he wanted a useless sock puppet and he'd sit in the basement with the microphone.
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I mean, I think Biden is a willing accomplice and, but he is clearly not driving the canoe.
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He's in the canoe, but someone else is moving the oars.
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The same people that made the Iran deal and that's why they had to get rid of Trump.
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That's why they had to do what they did in 2020 because they had to bring that back.
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Because that's his, I think he sees himself as a messianic figure and that he was supposed to do that.
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One thing that's amazing about Trump, we were talking about this a moment ago, was what is it about Trump that freaks these people out beyond, you know, anything else?
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I mean, this is a guy who is, he's not talking about getting rid of the taxes completely.
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He's not talking about dismantling the federal government.
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And the transformation of the treatment of Trump from a kind of a cultural idol to being a cartoon villain is fascinating.
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I think it's because when they realized their mind control didn't work on black people anymore, that they hugely panicked because Obama was at the, you know, he was very much a part of that.
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And when they saw that at that time it was 46% of black people were going to vote for Trump, they had to reel that shit in.
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And I think they had to invalidate all those black votes in those black precincts because when you look at the facts, that's exactly the votes that were thrown out were Trump votes.
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But they don't say, they say they, you know, that there's evidence that they invalidated Trump votes, but they don't say black Trump votes, but that's what it was.
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So I think it's, you know, it's all something bigger than anybody's given real thought to because they rely on that racist, they rely on ginning up racism because that's their brown shirts in the street.
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And, you know, that's who they're using is, you know, the youth, the working class youth, heavily brown and black and white too.
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Or the white kids seem to all come from privilege, but that's how they act and forgive themselves for carrying on a system of racism in this country.
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I mean, the 91 charges against Trump and the effort to just lock him up before the 2024 election, that is about as clear a hallmark of a police state as anything.
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Because, in fact, if it happened in any other country, I mean, imagine if this was Poland and there was a leading candidate and he was, you know, Donald Trumpski, let's call him.
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And suddenly they slap him one year before the election with 91 charges in multiple jurisdictions.
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We would look at it and go, that country has become an authoritarian society.
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And yet there are so many people who don't recognize it when it shows up, which really shows you that our police state has a camouflaged quality.
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You know, it doesn't have the Stalin overcoat, the Hitler mustache.
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It is coming to you in the sweet tones of saving democracy.
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One, it's just lawfare has nothing to do with law.
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But you have to look at, like, you have to look at the number of people in this country, heavily black people of America,
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who do know what's going on because it's been done on their population, trumping up charges, putting innocent people behind bars.
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That's why people are seeing it and waking up in that community because they've seen it their whole lives.
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And working class people have seen it their whole lives, too.
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And that's why they despise the working class because they voted for Trump.
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We had a lot of people like that at our premiere.
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And my wife, Debbie, was saying, she's like, you know what?
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When they see this movie, it resonates with them because they have more of a history of this.
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And that's a good point because, see, America as a country is defined by innocence.
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I mean, one of the things, one of the classic American works, I'm an English major, is Huckleberry Finn.
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You know, and Huckleberry Finn has this wide-eyed conception of, like, everything is going to be good.
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And if you see something bad, it's sort of startling that it's even going on.
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But, so Americans are slow to recognize something really diabolical that is getting a hold in this country.
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But, of course, blacks know it's happened before.
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And so I think they respond immediately to this message.
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All right, let's get back to the Dinesh interview because this is fascinating.
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And I was going to say that Huckleberry Finn, of course, is the first censored book in the schools.
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And, you know, they don't want anybody to know what it's really about.
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But it has, you know, the N-word in it because 150 years ago, that's what idiots said.
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Because, so that the work is deeply anti-racist.
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And the friendship between Jim, the slave, and Huck represents that innocent bonding that
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is two human beings who, in a sense, transcend slavery because of the way they just relate
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to each other just as an older man and then a young boy.
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A brilliant, a brilliant, brilliant piece of work.
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Speaking of brilliant pieces of work, getting back to you.
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And I just wanted to talk, I asked you before if you were a fan of movies.
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But talk about the scope and the reach of movies and why that is something that's important
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And I made one feature film with my wife, Debbie, called Infidel.
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But we started, I started the documentaries 10 years ago.
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So, it's not been the defining work of my career.
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I was initially kind of a think tank, intellectual type of guy, writing books, mainly giving speeches.
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And it was partly because I was looking at Obama and all the propaganda about Obama is
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that he's a civil rights guy, he's Martin Luther King tradition, you know, Selma and Montgomery.
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And then I read Obama's book, Dreams from My Father.
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And I realized, oh, no, Obama comes out of a completely different world.
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And to understand Obama, I have to sort of go into that world.
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And fortunately, it's easy for me to do it because that world is the world of third world
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That's India in the aftermath of the British rule, 200 years of British colonialism in India.
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So, but when I made that film on Obama, and it got me into trouble in certain ways, but
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putting that aside for a moment, I saw the power of the film because I'd stand in the
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back of the theater and I'd watch people in the theater get really emotional, very moved.
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And I looked around and I go, you know, if I did a book signing at Barnes & Noble for
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my earlier books, I wouldn't see any of these guys standing in that line.
00:29:30.000
So, the film has an ability to reach people that I can't otherwise reach.
00:29:35.120
And the other beauty of a film is that it's show, not tell.
00:29:39.020
So, I can talk to people all day about a police state.
00:29:42.040
And they, even if they have an intellectual grasp of it, they don't feel it.
00:29:50.780
You can experience, Orwell calls it the boot stamping on the human face.
00:30:01.340
And I was saying to you earlier that, to me, a good documentary has all the same elements
00:30:09.260
So, a good feature film has plot, storyline, narrative, characters, suspense, climax.
00:30:18.020
And so, a good non-fiction film, a good documentary, should, in a different way, have all those things
00:30:27.420
And some of it's really beautifully, well, it's all beautifully done.
00:30:31.960
But I especially enjoy, I shouldn't say the ending, but, you know, I always ruin people
00:30:38.880
They come on, I always talk about their endings and they're staring at me.
00:30:44.340
But at some point in the movie, you do make reference to Obama being so much a part of
00:31:01.440
Because I think, like you said, too, about the left, they're okay with it when it happens
00:31:08.500
But say what you said about how it kind of wakes them up.
00:31:12.460
So, it, I mean, it was also very eye-opening for me.
00:31:17.420
The, I had, at that time, I had a lot of friends who were on the left from D.C.
00:31:24.600
Because when you're in that kind of intellectual world in D.C., it's all like one club.
00:31:32.500
There's this guy from the Washington Post, E.J. Dion.
00:31:38.540
And there's some guy, you know, there from, you know, Senator Schumer's staff.
00:31:45.980
And when my case first came up, I thought, oh, you know what?
00:31:53.180
I'm not, you know, so they're not going to be okay with this.
00:31:58.660
But then I realized, no, none of them are willing to say that.
00:32:05.800
I'm like, you know, E.J., some conservatives are saying that.
00:32:15.620
And so then I realized, well, this is not really quite what I thought it was.
00:32:20.680
So, my case involved a technical violation of the campaign finance law.
00:32:24.680
As I was trying to donate to a college friend of mine, I gave $20,000 over the limit, which
00:32:30.400
is, of course, a pittance compared to what Soros and all these guys give, you know, millions
00:32:35.280
But in any event, normally this thing, they don't even do anything about it.
00:32:38.540
But if they do, community service, a small fine.
00:32:42.000
But when they brought the full force of the government against me, and it ended up I was
00:32:46.220
eight months in overnight confinement, paid a fine and a bunch of things, it was very
00:32:52.880
eye-opening because I saw that these guys did not view me as just a dissident or even
00:33:02.700
And the way they looked at it is, we got to take this guy out.
00:33:06.000
And I'm convinced that those Obama lawyers, if they could have put me away for 10 years,
00:33:13.360
This is, there's a gangsterization that's in the U.S. government now that I didn't see
00:33:21.940
And it doesn't reorient my philosophy, but it reorients my career and the way I approach
00:33:28.080
So you were asking me why I sort of have the fire, as you put it.
00:33:33.100
It comes from the realization that we're not living in a lawful small town where I can be
00:33:38.160
like Jimmy Stewart and the man who shot Liberty Valance, which is, okay, listen, guys, things
00:33:42.960
Let me go to my law books and find a legal precedent.
00:33:45.340
No, I'm more like a guy with a covered wagon out West and there's outlaws circling my ranch
00:33:50.800
and they want to, you know, burn my homestead and like rape my wife, kill my kids.
00:33:54.400
And so I'm going to have to respond to that situation.
00:33:58.380
And if I talk about, let me go find a legal precedent, you know, I would be, I would show
00:34:11.200
They were not happy to, it wasn't enough for them to cancel their number, the only number
00:34:19.860
one show they've had for decades, but to humiliate me and call me a racist for a tweet they didn't
00:34:30.640
But it had the word Muslim Brotherhood in it and they can pretend all they want that it
00:34:40.140
But then they stole all my work, my lifetime of work by lying to me.
00:34:46.800
And then they continued to call me a racist after I signed the paper, agreeing with them
00:34:55.680
Then they continued and refused to let me on any television anywhere to explain.
00:35:03.760
So that, and then I found out that they were in communication with the Obama government administration
00:35:11.320
people, Valerie Jarrett and Michelle, and that Obama called them after to congratulate them
00:35:16.900
for doing that to me, for taking away any way of me supporting my large family, which
00:35:27.840
They didn't understand, refused to allow me to explain.
00:35:32.760
I'm lucky that I didn't get to go to jail, but I kind of understand how Trump feels too
00:35:41.340
when every case, one after the other, is thrown out and laughed out of court.
00:35:46.900
But they don't care about that because they only care about the immediate soundbite.
00:35:52.020
You know, when I got the overnight confinement, I said to myself, I know what their goal is.
00:35:56.800
Their goal here is to degrade me, but more importantly, to ruin my career.
00:36:06.600
So I said to myself, if I come out of this and I have a career that's bigger than it was
00:36:13.600
But if I come out and I can't get work and no one wants me to speak anymore and I can't
00:36:17.780
write a book because nobody wants to publish it, then they've won.
00:36:20.840
So that's the clear measure of who's going to come out ahead of this.
00:36:24.620
Um, and, and so I resolved to myself, whatever I do, who cares about being in the overnight
00:36:30.820
I mean, to me, that was like mildly amusing, but it's like, when I get out, I got to make
00:36:37.320
And, and I need to continue to make good films and continue to have a voice.
00:36:41.320
Of course, Trump's pardon helped me immensely because it just, it was a big up yours to the
00:36:49.080
So, but yes, the, the, uh, uh, the pressure on Trump is unbelievable.
00:36:55.160
I don't know how any human being puts up with it.
00:36:58.540
I don't know how he does it either, but I have to say he didn't give me a pardon because
00:37:02.960
I wasn't charged with anything other than being a racist after 30 years on the air as the most
00:37:11.840
But he did say, and I have it on tape, he said, you are so skinny.
00:37:21.120
So that, so that was kind of my, you know, my, whatever you call it.
00:37:27.180
It is, it's the equivalent of the greatest thing that he's ever done.
00:37:30.760
But I mean, Rosanne, I think what is so weird is, I mean, I remember, I, I think of your
00:37:35.540
personality as from TV and that it was that very kind of sarcastic, tell it like it is
00:37:43.520
like unmask the hypocrisy of ordinary language, all that humor.
00:37:48.980
And I do find it unbelievable that they can cancel somebody when you've developed a whole
00:37:55.600
persona and it's all like what you said, one tweet gone.
00:38:06.100
I couldn't believe it, but it started like as a gauntlet from day one.
00:38:11.080
And I wasn't aware of the small steps until looking back, like you say, looking back, I
00:38:16.660
was like, Oh, and then at the end it was like, Oh, they only wanted me to come back because
00:38:24.020
I liked Trump and was, you know, no noted for that.
00:38:28.420
But they only wanted to bring me back to destroy me.
00:38:34.860
And my friends who are white hat people, you know, confirm that.
00:38:43.880
And here I was like an idiot going, I think I could help unite Americans.
00:38:49.340
And I could have a Hillary hater and a Trump hater in the same family.
00:38:53.020
But yet they still loved each other because I was so concerned with the division going on
00:38:59.300
that the media was propelling, especially race division.
00:39:03.400
And I just, I knew what they were doing, just setting these kids up for mass arrest and drafting.
00:39:10.720
You know, all these kids, they're all going to go get drafted.
00:39:14.220
Antifa, BLM, they're either going to go to prison, get shot or get drafted.
00:39:21.500
But they're too stupid or brainwashed to even see that's what happens in a police state.
00:39:27.300
They're going to start living in Beverly Hills under a communist regime?
00:39:33.520
And the irony is that a police state will go after them too eventually.
00:39:42.600
They're a part of the constituency that's helping to build the police state.
00:39:46.360
But once the police state is built, it doesn't need them anymore.
00:39:49.580
Stalin killed a lot of communists and a lot of socialists.
00:39:56.100
And so they will, you know, they'll watch this film.
00:39:57.860
They'll be like, Dinesh, you know, I don't have to worry about being banned on Facebook or being arrested.
00:40:04.920
And I'm like, yeah, but that's because you're helping to build the police state.
00:40:12.280
No less than the illegals coming across the border are.
00:40:15.400
Why do you think they're letting all those people in?
00:40:29.720
I don't know how, what else we can do to wake people up except for this film.
00:40:38.160
So I'm grateful for it and grateful for you and all your films.
00:40:46.240
Trump said down at Mar-a-Lago when I was there.
00:40:53.100
So I went online to search and it's very, very difficult.
00:40:59.500
However, about a month ago, maybe two months ago, I approached the Twitter people.
00:41:12.500
I need to counter this blockage of 2,000 Mules.
00:41:21.240
And so the Twitter people, to their credit, were very helpful to us.
00:41:31.360
I mean, there were about 20 million people that had seen the film, but we got another 3 million on Twitter.
00:41:45.360
So there are ways to counter this sort of thing.
00:41:48.820
And at this point, our goal with 2,000 Mules is just to keep the message out there.
00:41:53.100
Because, as you know, they are not going to hesitate to try some shenanigans in 2024.
00:41:59.000
They may not try the same ones, but they will definitely be looking for opportunities to cheat.
00:42:04.920
Hopefully the Trump people, hopefully the RNC, hopefully there are people who are on the lookout for that.
00:42:12.440
But that the attempt will be made, I have no doubt.
00:42:16.120
Well, I think that there won't be a 2024 election.
00:42:20.720
But, you know, I'm thinking that, well, I won't go into that.
00:42:27.940
You think there will be a declared emergency and then they will suspend the election?
00:42:35.580
She thinks, she should never come out and say, tell me if I'm wrong.
00:42:38.300
You think they're going to catch the fraud from 2020 and overturn it?
00:42:48.220
Because people don't realize that ABC and CBS and NBC and MSNBC and CNN and Fox, they're not the ones that do the actual count of the votes.
00:43:02.940
And Trump told us that, if anybody would ever listen to anything he says, which they don't.
00:43:10.140
But the military has all the proof, and Trump said it.
00:43:20.940
And I think it will come to light in his trial in March, if it goes that long.
00:43:29.800
And they've already overturned one election of 2022 in Philadelphia, and the wheel is starting to roll.
00:43:37.400
And they're looking at another election of 2022, and the judge, it's at SCOTUS.
00:43:47.440
It was a Democrat judge, but judge, why can't I remember his name?
00:43:55.000
Yeah, he's going to be the deciding vote on the 2022.
00:43:58.720
There's been, the problem I have with this theory is.
00:44:06.160
He has, I mean, they went and got, you know, I don't know.
00:44:11.480
Well, I will say, I mean, I will tell you that, and I'm going to do a film next year for the election.
00:44:16.140
But it's hard to do, because we are in such uncharted waters.
00:44:23.420
So imagine an election where the Republican candidate of a major party is in prison and running from prison.
00:44:34.400
It's, I don't even know what the psychological impact that will have on America and the world.
00:44:44.540
Some Democrats said the other day, don't put him in jail, because he'll definitely win if you do.
00:44:55.340
He's elected, but he has to serve out his term first.
00:44:58.360
So he's going to be making, for the first three months, he's going to be making all his decisions from incarceration.
00:45:04.620
But then he's just, he assumed, or whatever the word is, until he's sworn in.
00:45:09.380
But there's all this evidence that things are going to turn, and corruption is at an end,
00:45:18.260
and America's going to save itself at the very last minute.
00:45:23.660
I mean, that's, you know, there's an old saying that the God looks out for drunks and little children and the United States of America.
00:45:36.460
I mean, I kind of believe that we'll come out okay in the end.
00:45:45.820
And that's what's so important about the movie, because here's the best thing that could happen.
00:45:51.940
A hundred million people see it, and they go, oh, hell, we've got to wake up and tell everybody.
00:45:58.540
So 200, 300 million, I don't know how many populations we have here.
00:46:06.740
And, I mean, it has the potential to wake everybody up.
00:46:18.660
It speaks to everybody, and the hope is that everybody will see it, and it will help wake people up.
00:46:27.720
It's all facts and things that have already happened, people who have survived it all, people who are there to tell their stories.
00:46:35.800
It's just a great American piece, and long may it wave.
00:46:46.780
You know, who wants to be in a situation where this kind of film needs to be made, but it does.
00:46:52.320
And I think you're right that there is a streak in the American character that isn't okay with this kind of oppression, that Americans are feistier than Canadians or New Zealanders, for that matter.
00:47:11.160
Well, because we all have a Hillary hater and a Trump hater in our same family, like I was trying to show on TV.
00:47:19.620
I mean, some of us have stopped talking to each other and over the vaccine, too, in my own family.
00:47:24.500
But we still all love each other, and if it gets worse and the bottom falls out, it's not going to matter to us who the other one voted for.
00:47:51.360
It's different now because of the convergence of media and big tech.
00:47:55.400
And, I mean, it's a much – let me just say this.
00:48:01.900
It was scarier to me than – or, well, than reading 1984.
00:48:06.220
And you might have a positive feeling like, oh, we're going to get together.
00:48:11.500
I woke up probably more terrified than I've ever been.
00:48:14.940
And I have to say your film is scarier than 1984, mostly because it's real and we're here now.
00:48:21.340
But what happened to me this morning is I started thinking we might be too – pardon me for being pessimistic – but we might be too far down that rabbit hole.
00:48:30.020
Because even when you're making this movie now, we know that the other side is not going to want to watch it.
00:48:35.460
They're not going to be open to watching a Dinesh D'Souza film about the police state.
00:48:38.740
It's going to be another right-wing conspiracy theory, another Russia disinforced.
00:48:41.880
It's going to be another push for deplatforming and everything –
00:48:47.560
But it's just going to be like, oh, these people, they think the election was rigged.
00:48:52.160
But you actually are interviewing people that have had the FBI bang their door down, PTA members.
00:48:57.420
And when you're watching, you're like, it's here.
00:49:03.120
I'll tell you why I'm more positive than you because I'm going to be 71 tomorrow and I'm going to die my way out of this.
00:49:14.820
I mean, I don't want to be in an internment camp.
00:49:18.140
I'm not – I mean, the American spirit is the enemy of this push, whatever this is.
00:49:27.800
No, because we – I believe and know because I've seen it.
00:49:47.040
They knew they were giving their lives to storm that beach, and they did it.
00:49:50.780
They knew they were going to die, and they did it.
00:49:55.960
I mean, once you do that, you don't come back from that, no matter how many other unjust
00:50:01.200
wars they made them kids go through for money and oil.
00:50:04.300
But that day, that's something that takes over your DNA, and it cannot be destroyed because
00:50:11.720
everybody can remember it, and they can watch it on film.
00:50:30.320
You talk about storming Normandy in World War II, which is true.
00:50:37.040
They use that in a perfect, which you cover in your film, in basically a cloaking maneuver
00:50:49.160
You know, Ray Epps is like, let's storm the Capitol.
00:51:00.580
But I'm saying, they also know our moves and maneuvers.
00:51:17.940
I know that we can go, hey, A, B, C, D, E, and we can all talk about it now.
00:51:22.300
But half this country doesn't even consider what we're saying.
00:51:34.840
It's a little bit like, you know, the nature channel where you see the antelope or the wildebeest.
00:51:42.580
And there's a desire in human nature to believe that things can't really go horribly wrong.
00:51:49.160
Or even though I say, hey, guys, there's a predator in the trees.
00:52:05.280
But I think as word gets out that it is happening, and that's what the film is powerful here,
00:52:11.920
but it's happening now to more ordinary people.
00:52:23.080
So they're amping up the tyrannical surveillance.
00:52:30.660
You know, I'm doing a series on my podcast on Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago.
00:52:35.980
And there's a scene in the opening pages where a woman is approached by a friend of hers in the marketplace.
00:52:41.100
And the friend says to her, go to the train station, get out of town.
00:53:01.680
He says, it is too bad that she didn't go to this train station.
00:53:06.400
She could have disappeared in the vastness of Mother Russia.
00:53:17.160
It shows you that we are in a different situation where our privacy is gone.
00:53:24.640
And a police state can take advantage of technology and make it a real instrument of tyranny.
00:53:36.660
And we're willingly using these spying devices.
00:53:44.680
We sell satellite phones, but everyone has iPhones.
00:53:55.440
All of that surveillance, all of that no privacy, it goes two ways.
00:54:10.800
I mean, in other words, what you're saying is we can track them in the end.
00:54:14.760
And you can actually also hold them accountable.
00:54:18.000
If Trump comes in, he could unleash a full discovery of all the police state tactics that have been going on,
00:54:36.880
This is why they're even more desperate never to have him in because they're like, oh, shoot.
00:54:46.640
And these days, you can't burn them because it still remains as a digital footprint of everything we're doing.
00:55:03.000
Part of it is the presidency, which can fix a lot of things.
00:55:11.300
No, Department of Homeland Security is 10 times bigger than the FBI.
00:55:15.080
That place needs to be renovated from top to bottom.
00:55:17.660
And so controlling the executive branch allows you to do a lot of reforms.
00:55:23.400
But you still need the legislature to pass good laws.
00:55:26.740
And then you need the Supreme Court to shut down censorship.
00:55:31.500
And then you need, I'd like to see more activity at the state level.
00:55:35.260
On the part of AGs, attorneys general, secretaries of state, governors.
00:55:39.400
I mean, when we start doing the same to the left, I think it will send them a message.
00:55:44.380
We were talking a little bit earlier about how, once you have these Harvard and Columbia
00:55:49.920
Hamas advocates, and suddenly their names are on a list, and corporations are like,
00:55:58.240
You know, they discover the virtues of free speech when their free speech is being threatened.
00:56:03.480
And similarly, I think if you took, if a Republican attorney general right now in Texas, let's
00:56:09.460
say, were to indict Mayorkas for child trafficking.
00:56:34.820
Republicans are like, well, that's never been done before, so we're not going to do it.
00:56:38.600
Or we're too principled to do to the other side what they're doing to us.
00:56:50.860
It's the Uniparty, and they're all making bank on selling us out.
00:56:58.320
I mean, I do think there are some good guys around.
00:57:01.600
But I think that the swamp does run pretty deep.
00:57:06.160
But what about, like, when you say state government, let's get even more specific because it is about local government.
00:57:14.800
Decent humans have to run for these local offices.
00:57:18.460
And it should not take, I think they should get money out of politics right away.
00:57:23.800
And only somebody with a decent resume, and I'm saying that the resume should say like this.
00:57:36.860
So that's my qualifications and my resume to run for office.
00:57:45.400
Run for school board, get involved in local elections, become, my wife, Debbie, was a poll observer, poll judge.
00:57:58.980
That's going to be a nice check against election fraud.
00:58:01.820
And so there are things that can be done institutionally, and then there are things that can be done on the individual level.
00:58:08.640
But the people have to do it, not sit on their ass waiting for Trump or anybody else.
00:58:17.640
But, you know, if you've got extra time to sit there on your phone being tracked, take that time and do something useful for your community.
00:58:27.520
I also think that, and for me, this has been, I think, a boost in doing the stuff I do, and that is take the whole thing with a grain of salt and make it fun.
00:58:39.540
In other words, if you think of politics as something that's like a major drag, then, and even people come to me, Dinesh, you're so brave.
00:58:46.520
You're, I'm like, actually, to me, the whole thing's fun.
00:58:55.100
And the more they get discombobulated, the more, to me, it's a measure of how effective I am.
00:59:06.700
I've seen you on college campuses giving speeches and just triggering people.
00:59:15.380
Does that all come from your, that seems like it's bone deep, like that does come from colonial India.
00:59:28.520
And I do like that kind of give and take, particularly on the campus.
00:59:33.680
I don't speak on campuses that much these days because after COVID, it's been kind of hard to get on the campus.
00:59:41.560
But I do enjoy talking to young people about their ideas.
00:59:46.100
And I do appreciate their idealism, even if they're on the left.
00:59:49.840
But what I do find amusing is that you've got some guy who's like, you know, 20 years old, knows nothing about life, hasn't really read that many books.
00:59:58.580
But they are completely confident that they know more than you do.
01:00:11.160
Do you remember being like that when you were 20, though?
01:00:19.960
You thought you had it all figured out when you were 20.
01:00:32.560
Well, because then you start working and going out in the real world and it shifts you.
01:00:35.900
That's why they say people get more conservative as they get older.
01:00:39.040
They have to start paying taxes and taking care of family.
01:00:41.080
And it's like, oh, that idealism I had at 718, it's not really that black and white.
01:00:50.260
But you think they would be trained to think with the right kind of thinking machinery rather than closing down their neural pathways and repeat and parroting bullshit narratives.
01:01:06.060
They'd actually be able to apply, you know, critical thinking skills.
01:01:11.500
Yeah, how do I use this idealism to work in the real world?
01:01:14.740
How do I adjust so that I can actually impact change instead of how do what they're doing is like, how do I find other people that will listen to my bullshit and we'll all sit around and sniff each other's farts for 45 minutes.
01:01:23.340
And then we'll beat people up that don't listen to us.
01:01:26.280
It should be like, let's go out in the real world and let's let's make because there's nothing wrong with it.
01:01:30.400
Let's go out in the real world and run for school board.
01:01:37.960
There's very little, I think, today, critical thinking being taught in colleges.
01:01:44.160
If you were to take a very good college, take the best students and just start them like this.
01:01:50.020
Say, all right, you think and you've been taught that America is a racist society.
01:01:56.360
Give me five reasons against that, that undercut.
01:02:01.200
Can you think of five reasons that undermine that idea?
01:02:07.640
I'm like, you're supposed to be a critical thinker.
01:02:12.000
Now, you may think you can answer those objections, but let's hear them.
01:02:14.860
What are five objections to the idea that America is a racist society?
01:02:18.140
And I bet you, typical student will be like, I don't know what to say.
01:02:22.360
It's because their mind is so fried and benumbed that they are incapable of even envisioning objections to their point of view.
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And that shows that our colleges are doing a horrible job.
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I mean, where do they get those clowns, the most part?
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But that's the first place they started their censorship was on campus.
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Anybody who was teaching anything that wasn't fake.
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I noticed something interesting happening even in the 90s and early 2000s.
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I was doing a lot of debates on campus, and I noticed that professors on the left would refuse to debate me.
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We're talking about a subject on which you are supposed to be an expert.
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And so the fact that you're unwilling to engage in public discussion tells me that something is really off here.
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And I think it's that these guys at some level knew that what they're doing is propaganda.
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I mean, in my early career, I was on CNN all the time.
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It's like, if we have a CNN panel, it's going to be 17 people who all think the same.
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And it's like, what kind of discussion is this?
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And so all of these are just the signs that the state of our intellectual culture is pathological.
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I always say that two things that Stalinists and fascists hate is one, humor, and two, discussion.
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And that's why one of the things that they've done pretty successfully, not entirely, but
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pretty successfully, is sort of shut down comedy.
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And in other words, put comedy into a lane where the comedians just are too terrified to go...
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But the comedians won't go there because they know that that's, like, sacrosanct.
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When I was doing the reboot of my show, and it was about a Hillary hater living with a Trump
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But anyway, so I would sit there all day waiting for one Hillary joke, and they'd come down
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with 17 or 18 more Trump jokes, and I would say, yeah, you already give me 50 Trump jokes.
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And they'd come back, and they'd go, yeah, but these jokes are great.
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And they pushed it till the day before taping, before...
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And the guy, the head writer came down, and he gets me off in the side, and he goes, I
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He goes, I don't give a fuck about any of this shit, but, you know, I can put it on paper.
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I mean, I find myself gravitating to comedians that are in whatever way taking on this established
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I mean, in other words, I'll listen to Louis C.K.
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I find that you are trying to be a battering ram against some things that are worse.
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And so I'm glad you're trying to smash the door in.
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There's a lot of great comics now getting braver and braver.
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Because, you know, oppression makes you funnier.
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But he talks about Trump where he says the greatest stuff about Trump.
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And it's not like, I don't think any white person could say that.
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But he goes, he's like talking about how Trump is so OG, you know.
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He's like, he's the only one at the, well, I won't say any of his jokes.
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But a lot of this stuff isn't, they don't tape.
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Because they take your cell phones at Rogan's Club.
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And a lot of, that's how comedians are starting to get brave.
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Yeah, because they won't let nobody bring you this phone.
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But they are getting real, when you're there, because she goes to the mothership in Texas
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When you're in these clubs, it's back, bigger than ever.
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It's just, they're not allowed to film or disperse or share.
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Yeah, that's how it keeps it safe, because they can't.
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Yeah, they can't, they can't, you know, build their career on destroying you for a joke.
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Hardcore, and they are making fun of Biden and Kamala and all of them.
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Let us know when you want to come down, and I'll take you, and we'll go on a real good night.
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Well, my wife knows that I, you know, sometimes joke that I like to do myself a combination of,
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because I do a little bit of humor in my speeches.
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It's integrated into political content and cultural content, but no, that atmosphere appeals to me.
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They even have some, I mean, they have some Palestinian comics.
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But I have to admit, they're funnier than hell.
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You know, it's a great time for comedy, great time for-
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Thinking, great time for podcasts, great time for film.
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And I think that our side, if I may use the term loosely, is waking up to the importance of all these things.
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Because typically, guys who have money on our side are used to funding, putting money into elections.
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And part of what my point is, find some young people who want to start a comedy channel.
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Let's start creating some great stuff on our side, putting it out into the market.
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Like, Public Square is sponsoring me to do a Twitter show, you know, once a month.
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And they're also building a whole company for people who are, kind of, have our point, what
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It's a marketplace of companies with our values.
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I mean, we can't sell our DVDs at Walmart or Amazon.
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Now, in the old Walmart, which was run out of Bentonville, Arkansas, there was a conservative
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Walmart has kind of just gone generic corporate.
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And so, and I'm thinking to myself, well, this is not a banned topic, police state.
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And there's been not a single fact check that claims that one iota of this film is incorrect,
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Well, you know, we can ban you, and so we're going to.
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And so, we have to find and create an alternative.
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It's a great opportunity for some young entrepreneur to put something together, such as a Facebook
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or something that'll grow over time and have millions of jobs for Americans.
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These are great opportunity, times of opportunity, if people just switch their negative into a
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We have to stop just being critics and begin to create stuff.
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I think, I think in the end, we're going to have to create our own universities.
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We're going to have to create our own, really our own America inside of America.
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I mean, we have to have like an island within this country.
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Yeah, but because, I mean, there are people with a Texas spirit who live in New York.
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So, it's tapping all the people who don't want to be part of the police state.
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And that's, I think, a clear majority of Americans.
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People who still have an American spirit, which is the desire for constant improvement.
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The desire to constantly improve, constantly learn, constantly reach out and make things
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Something you touch brilliantly on in your film is the importance of the Second Amendment
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That is the most important thing right now, and I'm so glad that your film touches on
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that, because if we give up our guns, that's it.
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It's been a hard recognition for me, because I come from a country where people don't have
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And so, initially, I thought, well, gun rights are important, because if someone breaks
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into your home, it's going to be a while before the cops get there.
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But when I read the founders, they're talking about tyranny, and I thought to myself, well,
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But now, it's very apparent that the primary reason to have guns is as the ultimate safeguard
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And the secondary reason to have guns is for some bad guys who want to come steal your
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So, I've myself been kind of dragged into, I think, a better understanding of the true
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Well, the Constitutionalists say that we have a Second Amendment to protect the First Amendment.
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It's all, you know, we just have to piece things back together from the compartmentalization
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And that's what I like most about this film, is that it takes away the blinders and gives
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Well, before I say that, I should mention, partly because of this Walmart stuff, that
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There's a bunch of different platforms, including Rumble, the video platform, Salem, Salem Now,
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And then you can get DVDs also from Salem or Shopify.
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And we've partnered with Salem Media to do a film next year.
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Hi, I'm Chris Gethard, and I'm very excited to tell you about Beautiful Anonymous,
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a podcast where I talk to random people on the phone.
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I tweet out a phone number, thousands of people try to call,
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I talk to one of them, they stay anonymous, I can't hang up, that's all the rules.
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I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison.
01:15:51.480
I've talked to people who survive mass shootings.
01:15:54.700
I talk to a guy with a goose laugh, somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends.
01:16:04.100
What is going to be the focus of the election year?
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So I'm trying to anticipate what that film should be about and looking for ideas.
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Yeah, we'll send them your way because we have tons.
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The Trump Q stuff where he gets back in the White House.
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He thinks me and 25 million Americans are out of our wits.
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I think there's just a part where you just have to kind of go, well, we'll see.
01:16:47.800
I would like to thank you for being here today.
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It was wonderful to spend time with you and speak to you.
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And wonderful to watch your film last night, too, as well as to meet your wife and your stepdaughter.
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Like, we've been arguing for, you know, years, my mother and I, and on the podcast.
01:17:23.460
Like, when people are like, well, what's your source?
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And you have to tell them, well, you've got to go here.
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And as you're doing it, you're like, no one's ever going to do it.
01:17:36.460
Just go watch Police State and call me in an hour and a half.
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Well, it's made in a way that if somebody is not political or even on the left, I think the film will unnerve them.
01:17:51.420
Because I think they will see that here are ordinary Americans talking about their life.
01:17:56.380
And there are a lot of whistleblowers and informants in the movie.
01:18:00.060
And they're like, this is how the police state is constructed.
01:18:05.600
So in that sense, it discloses the operations of the police state, I think, in a way that will be eye-opening to people.
01:18:14.060
But why doesn't the left remember Julian Assange?
01:18:20.900
Who's rotting away in a jail cell because he exposed, again, things that happened under the Obama administration.
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They disappear it, including a lot of facts about Obama.
01:18:50.640
Why don't they wonder about why we can't find so many facts about Obama and why he says he had no corruption in his term as president?
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In a full, Orwell is right about this, and we've seen it in the Soviet Union and so on.
01:19:19.800
A full-fledged police state, they will go back and they will rewrite Shakespeare.
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They will make it so that for new generations, there is no memory.
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And in some ways, it's a strange idea because you think, well, a police state is trying to build the future.
01:19:40.280
They don't care about the past, but no, they do.
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They care about the past as much as they do about the present and about the future.
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I think this is actually partly why they were, I don't know if you saw this thing,
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they were like, we've taken the Robert E. Lee monument and melted it down.
01:19:57.140
And I'm like, this is not just about Robert E. Lee.
01:20:00.460
This is ultimately about extinguishing historical memory.
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And that's a very scary thing that you people are doing.
01:20:07.960
Yeah, and it's part of your sick, demented playbook.
01:20:17.760
In fact, you're right, all those Confederate generals were all major Democrats.
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They have to get rid of real history of who they are and what they're doing.
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I don't see much difference when I see them being pro-Hamas.
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Maybe that will wake the Jewish Democrats up and they'll leave.
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So, I mean, making police data has helped me understand a little better even how that stuff in Germany went down.
01:20:53.760
Because you're thinking, how does a society that was, by and large, a Western society, a pretty enlightened society,
01:20:59.980
I mean, in the forefront of science and technology and opera and art,
01:21:04.540
the greatest philosophers in the 19th century were all Germans.
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And so how did this immensely civilized society succumb to barbarism?
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It started with false science on the campus because they introduced Nazi science,
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which was craniology, head shapes, and eugenicists,
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which is exactly what those teachers are teaching, too.
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When they teach racial theory, that's nothing but eugenicistism.
01:21:48.360
Well, why wouldn't it be when we brought the Nazis here after World War II in Operation Paperclip
01:21:55.040
and made them head of our space program, our medical, you know, so many things.
01:22:02.280
And we never look at that either because that's been wiped away.
01:22:06.780
But, you know, all of the scandals in the Obama administration,
01:22:12.880
not one of them has been looked at, including the corruption of the FISA courts.
01:22:22.700
And I just realized who said that about if you lock Trump up, he's going to win.
01:22:31.180
I think I saw that clip on social media where he's like, don't put him in prison.
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A note of caution from Eric Holder of all people.
01:22:49.580
We did cover a lot of ground like your movie does, doesn't it?
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Once again, I thank you so much for being here.