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00:00:26.420 greetings earthlings and humans and uh all other intelligent beings floating around

00:00:33.520 you know above the earth under the earth around the earth whatever uh i'm glad you're here and

00:00:41.260 mostly i want to send out a call of magnetism to those beings animals included but to the

00:00:49.800 intelligent human beings who know what love feels like. Come on, we got to do this. We have a mission

00:00:58.980 and we have to do it. Welcome to the Roseanne Barr podcast.

00:01:19.800 Well, y'all know how much I love to interview geniuses,

00:01:30.800 and I've been lucky I find them for every podcast.

00:01:35.980 But this is a returning Jesus.

00:01:39.400 But this is a returning genius.

00:01:42.220 I think it's his third time, right, Jake?

00:01:44.680 Second, I believe.

00:01:46.020 No, we haven't.

00:01:47.500 No, this is third time.

00:01:49.180 trust me she's it's only yourself this is second time in our house and then we had him one time

00:01:54.560 yeah we did we did the place in florida that's correct you're always right i'm always wrong i'm

00:02:00.280 always right you're always wrong not always you're often right now i'm rarely wrong but anyway we do

00:02:09.100 have a genius and he's written a new book and he's a new york times number one bestseller about

00:02:16.040 500 times but I'm happy to have him here Dinesh D'Souza hi a great pleasure to be back and of

00:02:24.640 course uh had such a lovely time last time at the house so Debbie and I are thrilled to be here

00:02:30.200 absolutely thrilled to have you both I love this book the stones cry out now is this released

00:02:40.000 what's the story here well it's well it is a number one it's coming out it's coming out in

00:02:44.860 the fall, but you can pre-order it on Amazon now. So I love the title, The Stones Cry Out. And the

00:02:50.600 idea here is that, you know, when we read the Bible, it generally speaks to us in the thunderous

00:02:56.800 language of revelation. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the Bible

00:03:01.020 doesn't really prove things. It just declares them. And it has this grandiose tone. But it

00:03:08.860 seems to me that in recent decades oh yeah especially for the last 25 years but going back

00:03:15.600 a little bit over a century it's like god is now speaking to us in another language that's right

00:03:21.960 through archaeology through things that come out of the ground i discovered this you you've been

00:03:27.660 exposed to it much longer than i have but i discovered it about three years ago and i was

00:03:32.320 so taken aback uh and startled about why this is happening now because think about it so many of

00:03:38.120 these objects have sat in the ground for 200, well, thousands of years in some cases, and

00:03:45.020 they're coming out now, and they're corroborating the Bible in fascinating ways, and so I've

00:03:52.400 devoted the last three years to really investigating this, studying it, kind of bringing myself

00:03:58.000 up to speed.

00:03:58.800 It's a whole field.

00:04:00.940 Part of the reason to do this is because the archaeologists, they, I won't say they don't

00:04:06.640 like the Bible, but they don't want to be seen as in the Bible business.

00:04:10.620 Right.

00:04:10.880 So they downplay any theological significance.

00:04:15.000 They don't even like to treat the Bible as history.

00:04:17.340 They go, no, that's the religious stuff.

00:04:19.100 We're scientists over here. 1.00

00:04:20.760 Especially the Jewish ones. 1.00

00:04:22.860 All of them. 1.00

00:04:23.620 The Jewish ones, for sure, but also the non-Jewish ones. 1.00

00:04:27.120 Right. 1.00

00:04:27.920 You'll read a study of ancient Jerusalem, and they'll talk about something they found

00:04:34.520 in the priestly quarter, and it's highly significant for the Bible, but in the archaeological

00:04:39.660 report, there's almost no reference to it. You have to do your own work to make those connections,

00:04:45.700 and so in any event, I'm thrilled with the book, and it's bridging the gap between the

00:04:54.720 archaeological world and the general public. Well, it's also bridging the world as it itself

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00:06:48.500 jewish history and i guess uh theological history in a way and science which that's the age of

00:06:59.800 enlightenment in in many philosophies when provable science hooks right up with the stories

00:07:07.220 in the Bible. That's a whole new day. Well, the reason this is huge is because, first of all,

00:07:13.720 I've been in innumerable Christian churches all my life, and they will often talk about the Bible

00:07:18.980 as if it is a set of parables or stories. And so you can learn this, and you can learn that,

00:07:24.480 and you can apply it to your life. And it's all very good, but it's incomplete. You know,

00:07:29.860 imagine someone giving a sermon that says, well, you know, David had this combat with Goliath,

00:07:35.020 and he had all these stones in his satchel, and he picked a round one.

00:07:38.980 And then they go, well, what are some stones in your life that you can use to combat evil?

00:07:43.660 But the question of, was David a real historical figure?

00:07:49.020 Was Goliath a real historical figure?

00:07:51.520 That never comes up. 0.96

00:07:53.020 And the Bible is history.

00:07:56.480 It starts around 2000 BC with Abraham. 0.78

00:08:00.420 The Jewish scriptures conclude about 400 BC with Nehemiah.

00:08:05.700 The Christian scriptures pick up with Jesus, and they only cover a short time.

00:08:09.800 I mean, they're covering about 40 years, from about 4 BC to the death of Jesus and the early

00:08:15.660 Christian movement.

00:08:16.740 So that's the whole scope of the Bible.

00:08:19.220 And there's also a geographical scope, right?

00:08:21.380 The Bible takes place mostly in Israel, but some of it relates to Egypt, to Jordan, and

00:08:28.280 then later, of course, to Greece and Rome. And so it's almost as if, and I think this has taught

00:08:34.460 me to reflect a little bit, that God didn't choose to go the sort of abstract universal route,

00:08:43.060 right? God could have said, all right, I'm going to put my name on the moon. You know, I'm going to

00:08:47.540 stamp the Ten Commandments in the sky. But God goes, no, I'm going to come into history. I'm

00:08:53.280 going to work through a particular people in a particular place in a particular time. So the

00:08:58.240 historicity of the bible is critical and that's what archaeology is in a position to corroborate

00:09:04.240 because archaeology is a branch of history yes and it takes material objects out of the ground

00:09:09.500 whether you know an arrowhead a clay seal sometimes you know stone pillars uh history

00:09:16.600 right writings on pottery that's called ostraca all this stuff illuminates the bible in fascinating

00:09:24.900 ways. Yeah, it does. It proves that it's an accurate history. And it does more than that

00:09:33.960 because here's an example. There's a big account in the Bible about how the Israelites fought one

00:09:39.500 of their classic enemies. They're the Moabites. So Moab is in current day Jordan. And so you have 1.00

00:09:46.780 a description of these battles in the Bible. Now that's from the Jewish side, from the Israelite

00:09:51.780 perspective. Interestingly, there's a really valuable artifact. It's called the Moabite stone,

00:09:57.120 and it's very detailed, but it is the account of the same battle from the Moabite side. So this is

00:10:04.500 like looking at both sides, and not only that, but in the Moabite stone, there is information about

00:10:10.460 the battles that's not in the Bible. So not only are you getting a corroboration of the biblical

00:10:15.420 account, they match perfectly, by the way, the two accounts, but the biblical account is now

00:10:21.500 enhanced by the fact that you've got non-biblical historical information and interestingly it's

00:10:27.080 coming from the enemies of the israelites right which obviously carries a lot more weight because

00:10:32.600 it's it's whatever the word is corroborating is that the word yeah corroboration without bias

00:10:37.440 had the corroborations all come from the israelites right you could say well they're

00:10:43.080 creating this propaganda they're a great nation they're chosen by god it's very self-serving

00:10:47.680 but no very often it comes from the people hostile right to the israelites a really good

00:10:55.420 example of this by the way is um uh you know until about 1990 if you had asked somebody

00:11:01.360 prove to me the existence of king david not using the bible it would be very hard to do so king

00:11:09.100 david had to be taken on faith for like thousands of years well they called him a mythical character

00:11:14.580 mythical king, you know, small town, Jerusalem was nothing, he couldn't have had a palace.

00:11:20.700 So the Bible here is being accused of embellishing, you know, and in some cases just making him up

00:11:26.480 completely because they said, well, maybe King David is like King Arthur, he's just kind of a

00:11:30.300 legend. But then in the northern part of Israel, in Tel Dan, you have the Tel Dan Steli, a steli

00:11:37.460 just being a monument. And it talks about King Hazael of Aram, or Syria, boasting about victories

00:11:44.680 over, quote, the house of David. And this is about 150 years after David. So think about,

00:11:50.720 he's boasting about the house of David because this is a Davidic dynasty. These are the kings

00:11:57.000 in David's line. And the king of Syria is very happy that he's conquered them because they were 0.99

00:12:03.220 obviously pretty powerful right so he's taking credit for his achievements and suddenly the 0.54

00:12:08.960 house of david a phrase by the way commonly in the bible is validated right and historians are like

00:12:16.540 can't argue about it now uh and it to me what's funny is the skeptics they never give in they

00:12:22.640 never go oh you know what i was wrong they they they they now will retreat to something like well

00:12:29.200 well, you know, yes, maybe David existed, but how do we know he built a palace?

00:12:35.760 Yeah.

00:12:36.080 You know, and when you find the palace, and that's another fascinating story to itself,

00:12:40.140 when you find the palace, then they go, well, yeah, there's a palace,

00:12:44.140 but how do we know it was completed in David's reign?

00:12:47.480 It might have been completed under Solomon.

00:12:49.580 So this kind of quibbling is a way of the skeptics or the so-called Bible minimalists,

00:12:56.960 they're beating a retreat.

00:12:58.620 Right.

00:12:59.200 Well, also, they want to dishearten people, too, and take them away from what they know in their heart is absolutely true.

00:13:09.280 Well, I think what it is, is the Bible has these astounding claims, right?

00:13:14.280 They're theological claims, but they're also accounts of miracles.

00:13:18.020 They're stuff that's wild, wild and out there.

00:13:21.180 And so the skeptics think if the history is true, people are likely to believe the whole thing is true.

00:13:26.540 Right.

00:13:27.120 So they are very eager.

00:13:28.800 And when archaeology first started, by the way, the skeptics were very confident that they would use it as a battering ram against the Bible.

00:13:36.360 Right, exactly.

00:13:36.860 They were like, this is going to be great.

00:13:38.560 We're going to be refuting things left and right.

00:13:40.560 And now, 150 years later, this is one of the conclusions of the book, is that I can show you a lot of things that corroborate the Bible, but you cannot show me one thing, one significant archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible.

00:13:56.080 That's very telling.

00:13:57.260 Isn't it?

00:13:57.840 And it's a time of miracles and proof.

00:14:02.500 And proof.

00:14:03.440 Yeah.

00:14:03.880 And in fact, even some of the crazy stuff has corroboration.

00:14:08.240 I'll give you an example.

00:14:09.140 So the Israelites are crossing into the promised land, and they have to go through Jordan.

00:14:15.000 And the king of Moab, who I mentioned...

00:14:16.400 Well, we have to call it what God called it, Zion.

00:14:20.020 Zion, yes. 0.82

00:14:21.820 So they're making this great crossing, and they have to go through the lands of Jordan. 0.84

00:14:25.100 And the king over there, Balak, he rounds up this fortune teller.

00:14:32.600 Now, this guy's name is Balaam, son of Beor.

00:14:35.640 This is great.

00:14:36.280 We talk about this every week.

00:14:37.480 Okay. 0.65

00:14:37.940 And so the king goes, you need to curse the Israelites because they need to get the plague.

00:14:42.960 You need to give all kinds of obstacles so that it's difficult for them to cross over our land. 0.99

00:14:47.920 And, you know, Balaam's up for it. 0.97

00:14:49.900 He's ready to curse the Israelites. 0.99

00:14:51.460 But the Bible says that God intervenes.

00:14:53.320 and God prevents him from cursing the Israelites.

00:14:56.960 Now, Balaam apparently has a donkey 0.81

00:14:59.280 and it's a talking donkey

00:15:01.420 and the Bible reports conversations between Balaam.

00:15:05.120 So you can just imagine these skeptics

00:15:06.860 in the 19th century and 20th century

00:15:08.960 at Oxford or, you know, Tübingen

00:15:11.440 and they're going to be like, 0.97

00:15:12.660 this is ridiculous. 0.79

00:15:14.300 Even if there's some other stuff in the Bible that's true, 0.99

00:15:17.220 a talking donkey, really? 0.94

00:15:18.920 This Balaam, son of Beor? 1.00

00:15:20.780 I mean, this is obviously made up, right? 0.77

00:15:22.480 Except in Jordan, not so long ago, a few decades ago, archaeologists are digging.

00:15:28.920 They're not really looking for this, but they come up this ancient plaster inscription,

00:15:35.200 the warnings and sayings of Balaam, son of Beor.

00:15:40.300 So think about it.

00:15:41.240 His name is the same, Balaam.

00:15:43.060 Because archaeologists are always skeptical, right?

00:15:45.100 How do we know this wasn't a common name?

00:15:47.220 But they give his dad's name, Beor.

00:15:50.040 Not only that, but it's in Jordan.

00:15:52.480 It's in the right area, it's dated to the right time, and just as important, what's

00:15:58.260 his profession?

00:15:59.780 The warnings and sayings of Baalam Sanabir, he's some sort of a fortune teller, he's a

00:16:04.480 soothsayer.

00:16:05.340 So you put all those things together, it's the same guy.

00:16:09.260 And so suddenly this guy, this sort of magical figure, jumps out of the pages of the Bible

00:16:15.560 and into the pages of history via the pathway of archaeology.

00:16:19.980 it's amazing isn't it i mean it's just amazing i love that you love it i love that you love it

00:16:27.740 and that you make films on it and that you've given your uh so much of your life to it if not

00:16:32.660 your whole life to the scholarship of it the book is full of timelines maps photos and qr codes and

00:16:41.560 if you go to the code you can you're basically in a video of that particular set scene or artifact

00:16:49.240 And, you know, you couldn't do this with books before.

00:16:51.240 So it's very cool.

00:16:52.480 But I've also done a full-length documentary for which PragerU is going to release.

00:16:57.640 Oh, good.

00:16:58.040 It's the same title, The Stones Cry Out.

00:17:00.280 And it is just a way of using a different medium.

00:17:04.560 It's abbreviated.

00:17:05.700 Essentially, I focus on, like, the 10 most important discoveries of biblical archaeology.

00:17:12.400 And the cool thing is it carries you all the way through the biblical story.

00:17:18.780 It's not like they're all bunched together around King David.

00:17:22.280 You start with Abraham and the patriarchs.

00:17:24.800 And again, when I first started looking at this, I thought to myself, they're not going

00:17:29.000 to find anything with Abraham because, first of all, it's very, very old.

00:17:32.900 We're talking about 4,000 years ago, 2000 BC.

00:17:37.260 Number two, Abraham is a nomad.

00:17:39.240 He doesn't even have a house.

00:17:40.380 he lives in a tent he moves around what kind of footprints are you going to find of this guy

00:17:46.480 except the bible gives you a couple of clues and this is kind of how biblical archaeology works

00:17:52.880 the archaeologist has the bible in the one hand and the bible is going to tell you something and

00:17:58.340 you're going to go look for it so the bible tells you that when abraham pitched his tent

00:18:03.140 he was near the great trees of Mamre. Trees that apparently were so huge that if you took them out,

00:18:13.600 it would leave a giant hole in the ground. And then a little bit later, Abraham meets this guy,

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00:19:59.360 So that is the only property

00:20:01.000 that Abraham ever owned in Canaan.

00:20:04.280 And so, all right, can you find those things? 0.94

00:20:08.060 Unbelievably, you can.

00:20:10.000 Really?

00:20:10.480 Yes.

00:20:11.920 And so right now there is the site

00:20:17.100 of the great trees of Mamre

00:20:19.020 and next to it a place called McFella

00:20:21.340 which has a monument

00:20:23.380 which was built by the way by King Herod

00:20:26.260 so this was built around the time of Jesus

00:20:28.440 this is around

00:20:29.240 the

00:20:30.520 first century AD

00:20:33.440 and Macfella is there now

00:20:36.240 and that's the place where Abraham

00:20:38.040 bought the cave

00:20:39.000 and

00:20:40.000 it's just an eerie feeling

00:20:44.420 to be there

00:20:45.000 did they find the cave? I've never heard this

00:20:48.060 Macfella

00:20:48.880 Yeah, with a P, right?

00:20:51.820 Yes, with a P.

00:20:52.780 But we say McP... I can't remember.

00:20:55.200 You say it a little differently?

00:20:56.280 Yeah.

00:20:56.500 Yeah, that's often the case, especially biblical names are very ancient.

00:21:02.880 The other thing is that through the centuries, one of the ways that the early geographers were finding these places is that the names actually had the same resonance.

00:21:12.120 So even though they changed over time, archaeologists, for example, searching for, you know, Sodom and Gomorrah, right?

00:21:19.680 They found a place called Numera.

00:21:22.760 Numera sounds sort of like Gomorrah.

00:21:26.020 And with a lot of biblical names over time, the name shifts, but it doesn't shift too far away.

00:21:32.000 I mean, think about it.

00:21:32.620 I was born in Bombay, right?

00:21:34.420 What is Bombay called today?

00:21:36.080 Mumbai.

00:21:37.580 Well, it sounds almost like Calcutta is Kolkata.

00:21:41.200 so these names change but they're not that distant from their original and that was one of the early

00:21:48.620 ways that archaeologists tried to locate of course that doesn't settle the matter right you

00:21:52.960 you got to find many other proofs that this is the place you're looking for but the fact that

00:21:58.540 you can find anything at all that goes back to the time of Abraham to me is amazing it's really

00:22:05.020 There's way more amazing stuff about Abraham, but we're not going to go into that today.

00:22:11.400 But maybe sometime we'll have, you know, you'll come back and we'll talk about that.

00:22:16.140 Because, you know, he wrote a book.

00:22:18.900 Abraham?

00:22:19.600 Yeah.

00:22:21.120 It's illustration.

00:22:23.240 But I have a translation of it and we'll talk about it.

00:22:28.240 Oh, I'd love to hear about it.

00:22:29.500 Yeah.

00:22:30.080 Oh, my gosh.

00:22:30.980 That guy was a genius.

00:22:32.080 He wasn't just a guy that wandered in off, you know, he was a genius, a mathematical genius.

00:22:40.140 He has to have been a remarkable guy because the way I look at it, I read the Bible, there's like 11 chapters that go from creation to Abraham.

00:22:49.280 And then there's like 10 chapters on Abraham alone.

00:22:51.980 This guy must have been huge for the Bible to dwell, kind of like in a movie, you know how you zoom in, it zooms into this one guy.

00:23:02.100 And I love this about the biblical characters.

00:23:05.520 They're remarkable in their own way.

00:23:07.900 And yet, in some ways, they're a little suspect, right?

00:23:10.900 Abraham is like cutting deals with Pharaoh.

00:23:13.840 Pharaoh's like, I like your wife. 0.76

00:23:15.260 Abraham's like, well, you can have her for a little while. 0.98

00:23:17.720 I mean, this kind of stuff, you're like, oh, my goodness.

00:23:21.000 And then, you know, and he's not the only guy, right?

00:23:23.020 Moses has his own issues, and then David's got some problems with Bathsheba and with Bathsheba's husband.

00:23:31.120 So all of this, the Bible is...

00:23:34.400 That's why it's so cool, because you can tell they're flawed humans.

00:23:38.720 And of course, they're not saints or gods walking around.

00:23:42.980 They're flawed human beings, but still, they rose to the occasion when called.

00:23:48.540 That's the message, I think, don't you?

00:23:50.860 I do.

00:23:51.760 I also think that almost all of ancient literature is boastful in nature.

00:23:56.980 It's like the royal Egyptian conquest, one after the other.

00:24:00.640 they don't even record if they lose right uh it's only wins right and and the bible is so different

00:24:06.820 from that and and and not only that not only that but i think that in terms of archaeology

00:24:15.120 you cannot do archaeology on any other religious text only the bible and what i mean by that is

00:24:21.700 no one no one's even tried it with the buddhist scriptures the hindu scriptures the quran

00:24:27.840 with the Bible is the only text that has been subjected to 150 years of withering academic

00:24:36.580 scrutiny. Well, you know why? Because it's land-based. That's what Israel's for, because

00:24:47.380 it's land-based. Judaism is a land-based religion. It's all based on that land, every bit of it.

00:24:57.840 And they are continually trying to separate the Jewish soul from that place, 0.85

00:25:04.500 as well as anybody connected who loves Torah, you know, the Christian soul, 0.98

00:25:11.160 even the Muslim soul, you know, who aren't Shia haters, 12ers. 0.92

00:25:16.840 But they want, I feel like, their maybe unrealized mission is to break the connection between people and the divine. 1.00

00:25:33.920 Well, the point about the land is critical.

00:25:36.660 I also think the point about genealogy is critical.

00:25:39.980 The Bible is, and when I first, you know, when you read it as a kid, you don't really know why it's spending a whole chapter on who begat who, this guy A begat B, begat C, begat D, you're like, what's going on here? Why is this even important? But it evidently is important to God.

00:25:55.200 And this is, by the way, not to sort of leapfrog right into contemporary debates, but this whole, you know, I just debated this guy, Andrew Wilson, and it covered some of this topic of replacement theology.

00:26:11.460 And what these guys want to do is cut off the land and cut off the genealogy.

00:26:19.180 Yeah, they do. 0.99

00:26:19.660 And in fact, I would say cut off the Jews altogether. 1.00

00:26:22.600 Yeah, they do. 1.00

00:26:23.140 And act as if the scriptures really begin in 4 BC and conclude in like 50 AD.

00:26:30.360 Now, when I look at my Bible, I'm like, you seriously want to take out like three-fourths

00:26:35.600 of it and leave the tiny, the four gospels, a few letters in the book of Revelation, that's

00:26:43.540 your Bible?

00:26:44.340 Yeah.

00:26:44.560 And then they start backing off.

00:26:46.060 Well, we're not saying that we need to...

00:26:48.200 Well, yes, they are.

00:26:48.960 I was all excited that, I wanted to post this, but anyway, Candace Owens and Andrew Wilson debating, I'm like, what, on who hates Jews the most?

00:27:02.860 Well, that's what Debbie said.

00:27:04.220 She's like, this is like an internal Groyper debate.

00:27:07.680 And apparently they disagree about who killed Charlie Kirk, but they do have areas of agreement.

00:27:13.560 I'm not sure that they'll come up in the debate.

00:27:15.580 um but um but uh no i mean that's um the very fact that there is a debate on this topic 1.00

00:27:23.800 of this nature is just downright imbecilia it's total imbecilia rule by imbeciles but um 0.99

00:27:33.740 you know he'll he'll destroy her on the charlie kirk subject but both of them should know that 1.00

00:27:41.100 Charlie Kirk was not killed by Israel.

00:27:46.360 He was killed by people who hate Zionism.

00:27:50.460 Hello. 0.86

00:27:51.620 And Charlie was a Zionist, and Charlie kept Shabbat. 1.00

00:27:57.200 And that is why Charlie was killed, in my opinion. 1.00

00:28:00.600 I think so, too.

00:28:01.140 I mean, it's so interesting that, I mean, who would know or even expect that Charlie

00:28:05.820 would be writing a book on shabbat right uh at the very time that he was killed well who would 0.62

00:28:12.080 expect that a man from bombay would be uh you know uncovering the secrets of the jewish bible

00:28:20.240 for all of who would think that but the bible not me but the bible itself says in in that day

00:28:27.920 which is now you're you're going to see uh people come to support torah and uh you know

00:28:38.820 and the history of of it because that's what it's really about the history of the torah and the 0.96

00:28:45.940 torah itself and certainly there's not a lot of jews doing that but the gentiles are coming to do

00:28:53.820 it. And it's just very amazing because Torah kind of tells us that will happen. 0.97

00:28:59.820 Debbie and I were invited to go to Israel with Salem Media at the end of 2022. We were a little

00:29:05.220 unsure about whether to go because they said, you need to come and be a speaker with Sebastian

00:29:09.420 Gorka. And I'm like, I've never been to Israel. How can I speak on a topic which is utterly

00:29:14.040 unfamiliar to me? And they were like, no, no, no, you speak about politics and world affairs,

00:29:18.040 and we'll have guides that will guide people.

00:29:21.060 So we went with about 300 people.

00:29:23.420 And my first impression was, particularly in Jerusalem,

00:29:26.940 like I'm in the land of the Bible.

00:29:28.460 Yeah.

00:29:28.880 And not only that, but...

00:29:30.480 You feel it.

00:29:31.200 Yeah.

00:29:31.600 I mean, cities these days have become more homogenized.

00:29:34.460 You know, Zurich is a lot like Copenhagen.

00:29:37.280 And so they've lost that distinctiveness, 0.52

00:29:40.160 but Jerusalem has not. 0.74

00:29:41.260 So that's the first thing that struck me.

00:29:42.500 The second thing that struck me was

00:29:43.880 these other ancient civilizations are gone. 0.99

00:29:46.960 like you can go look for pharaohs but you got to look in the museum right same with the roman

00:29:52.220 empire the same with with so much of history the ancient greeks but with the jews you have this 0.88

00:29:58.500 astounding phenomenon of the jews scattered to the ends of the earth and they're back and it feels 0.99

00:30:04.580 like you're in the first century 80 in some ways people dress the same they eat the same food so 0.99

00:30:08.640 this already was a haunting experience and then i began to be exposed to some of this archaeology

00:30:15.340 and I'm used to sort of Indiana Jones and Agatha Christie, who was evidently married to an

00:30:21.960 archaeologist. She writes these spectacular novels with like the pyramids in the background.

00:30:27.840 But one of the things I discovered was with archaeology, a lot of times it's very painstaking

00:30:32.320 work. It's very laborious. It often takes years. Even if you find something, it takes maybe another

00:30:39.460 year to figure out what the writing on it even means and sometimes a tiny clay seal comes out

00:30:46.940 of the ground the archaeologist who finds it doesn't even know what it is or what what its

00:30:50.520 significance is and and some of the most mind-blowing discoveries are like that yeah here's

00:30:57.160 an example that that i i i saw and that is so you have the prophet jeremiah the prophet jeremiah is

00:31:04.800 a doom and gloom man he's predicting that very bad things are going to be happening to israel

00:31:09.320 Judah, and the king is going to be overthrown. His sons are going to be killed. So the king, 0.73

00:31:14.520 who's Zedekiah, doesn't want to hear this. So he rounds up two of his sidekicks, and the Bible 0.77

00:31:20.300 names them. Jehuchal, son of Shalamiah, and Gedaliah, son of Pashur. Now, very few people

00:31:27.780 know these names. You're not expected to because these are cameo appearances in the Bible. They're

00:31:31.800 not major characters at all, but the Bible does name them. They follow Jeremiah around. Eventually,

00:31:37.260 they gang up on him with some other guys. They throw him into a pit. And in fact, our friend

00:31:42.720 Zev Ornstein of the City of David took Debbie and me into that pit, standing in the pit where

00:31:47.580 Jeremiah was thrown. In any event, all of Jeremiah's prophecies come true. The Babylonians

00:31:55.980 invade. They burn the temple. They destroy Jerusalem. The king is blinded. His sons are 0.97

00:32:01.400 killed. But fast forward now to the 21st century. You're basically fast forwarding over 2,000 years

00:32:09.980 because Jeremiah lived about 6th century BC. And so people are digging in Jerusalem in the Ophel 0.85

00:32:17.320 near the temple, and out of the ground are coming these clay seals. Now, the seals were at one time

00:32:23.180 used to seal correspondence. The correspondence is lost, but the seal hardens, particularly if

00:32:28.500 as heat, like burning Jerusalem. And the seal has a name on it. So one of the seals, Jehukal son of

00:32:37.760 Shalamiah. And two years later, another seal, among others, Gedalia son of Bashur. So again,

00:32:48.100 we're not talking about here the major guys. We're talking about the minor characters,

00:32:52.560 the also rands, the extras, as you say in the movies, and there they are. And here's a

00:32:59.040 verification. This seal was obviously made with that guy's own hand. And so, again, you know,

00:33:07.760 I don't understand why I go to a church, someone's giving a sermon on Jeremiah. They make no mention

00:33:13.640 of this. They don't even tell you what century he lived in. They don't tell you what was going on

00:33:18.400 around. They just read the text and excavate some meaning out of it, which is good. But how much

00:33:24.360 richer and fuller the account would be if you said, hey, I've got a five-minute video. I'm going to

00:33:29.640 show you a couple of things that archaeologists, who are not looking for it, by the way, the

00:33:33.160 archaeologists who found the Jehokal seal didn't know who that was. And then later someone goes,

00:33:39.780 let's look this name up. This is even before, you know, online searches. Let's look this name up in

00:33:44.580 a biblical concordance whoa this guy's in the book of jeremiah and since that again it's since

00:33:51.660 it's not just the first name but also the last name and it's dated to the sixth century and

00:33:56.140 it's in the right area where jeremiah was it's cooperation it's the guy yeah or the two guys in

00:34:02.760 this case yeah well you know it's all amazing the times we're living in are amazing and you know i

00:34:09.240 think that God just wants us, this is a time where God's just making himself evident in the world

00:34:19.580 for the people who have the eyes to see it. It's almost like God is saying, all right, I know that

00:34:24.800 we're living in a secular age. I know that most people have maybe even gotten a little bit skeptical

00:34:30.900 about the Bible. They dismiss it. They're like, where's the proof of this? And so God is like,

00:34:36.520 all right, what language do you respect? The language of the university, language of debate

00:34:42.040 and argument, the language of archaeology. Who can argue with something that's coming out of the

00:34:46.420 ground? And well, people do argue about it, but sometimes archaeological findings are disputed.

00:34:54.520 In my book, I'm very cautious. If something is disputed, I'll tell you it's disputed.

00:34:59.340 In some cases, there are rival locations. Somebody will say Mount Sinai is over here,

00:35:03.780 Somebody will say it's over there.

00:35:04.880 Is that mountain?

00:35:05.480 No, it's that mountain.

00:35:06.580 All right.

00:35:07.680 But in other cases, something is established.

00:35:11.320 It's quite obviously the guy.

00:35:14.040 Here's another example, since we're talking about clay seals.

00:35:16.920 There is an Isaiah seal.

00:35:18.960 Now, Isaiah was the prophet.

00:35:21.120 This is about the 8th century BC, and the king is Hezekiah.

00:35:24.880 There's a Hezekiah seal, undisputed.

00:35:27.080 The seal of Hezekiah, son of Ahaz, it's the Hezekiah seal.

00:35:31.620 No archaeologist disagrees.

00:35:32.900 With the Isaiah seal, it's really fascinating because it has the name Isaiah, and it has the word prophet, but it's because the seal is broken, it's missing the last letter.

00:35:44.860 Now, obviously, it's not prophet in English, it's in Hebrew, but if the letter is added, it's prophet.

00:35:52.180 Obviously, if it's a different letter, it's something else.

00:35:55.460 But again, the Hezekiah seal and the Isaiah seal are found side by side.

00:36:00.860 Hezekiah and Isaiah, if you read the Bible, they're like buddies, you know.

00:36:04.600 So most archaeologists, fair-minded, will say, listen, very few people had their own seal, right?

00:36:10.860 You have to be a really important guy.

00:36:12.280 So what are you saying?

00:36:12.960 There's some other Isaiah who had a title that sounded like prophet, but missing one letter,

00:36:17.960 who happened to be hanging out with Hezekiah at the same time?

00:36:21.780 Come on.

00:36:22.520 So it's generally accepted.

00:36:24.780 This is the seal.

00:36:26.660 So think about it.

00:36:27.340 The prophet Isaiah, whom you wouldn't expect to find, but with his own hand, he makes seal

00:36:32.840 impressions on his correspondence, and we have him.

00:36:36.360 So this is a case where, to me, the Bible is greatly enriched, because it's almost like

00:36:44.640 in my head now I have, I won't say another Bible, but a parallel Bible, and I can put

00:36:49.600 in all the historical dates from Abraham going all the way to the very end, and I can drop

00:36:55.920 and i'll parachute all the artifacts in yeah that's amazing and think of how much that shows

00:37:00.980 you you're like wow i'm actually seeing a divine story but it's unfolding through human history

00:37:07.440 now when are you going to do that book that's this book that's this book oh yeah if you just

00:37:13.440 look inside it you'll you'll see it's full of you know it's full of i mean this is a this is a galley

00:37:19.860 so the actual book will have these color illustrations and these are the seals right

00:37:25.660 here that you can see for example and um let me tell you if i may can i tell you the story about

00:37:30.860 king david's palace please absolutely you'll go this is i i read some of it about the capital

00:37:37.580 no this is fascinating yeah it's pretty mind-blowing stuff and the heroine of the story

00:37:41.920 is a Jewish archaeologist, Eilat Mazar, whose grandfather was Benjamin Mazar, in fact, one of

00:37:50.240 the early archaeologists when the state of Israel was first formed. He was one of the kind of

00:37:54.400 granddaddies of Israeli archaeology. So Eilat Mazar, this is around 2000, well, in the late 1990s,

00:38:05.600 she writes an article where she says, I believe I have found King David's palace.

00:38:10.960 now she hasn't done any digging but she publishes an article in biblical archaeology review with a

00:38:15.940 big map and a big arrow and she goes it's right here i mean think of the chutzpah of this right

00:38:22.280 i found king david's palace there's a group called the city of david foundation which does archaeology

00:38:27.660 you know about it in jerusalem so elat mazar comes to these guys and she she goes you need to move

00:38:32.920 your visitor center and they go why is that she goes because the palace of king david is underneath

00:38:39.360 your feet and they go that's nuts how could you possibly know that and she goes well if you happen

00:38:46.160 to read your bible it tells you that when the philistines attacked david quote descended from

00:38:54.040 the palace to the citadel now scholars actually do know where the citadel is and so if you know

00:38:59.680 where the citadel is david quote came down it's above it it has to be above on the hill so she

00:39:04.700 because that's clue number one. Here's clue number two. She says, it says in the book of Samuel that

00:39:11.320 when King David built a palace, King Hiram of Tyre, Tyre's in Phoenicia, the Phoenicians sent

00:39:18.160 carpenters and stonemasons to build David's palace. The Phoenicians specialized in building,

00:39:23.540 so they were evidently in Jerusalem building David's palace. And, says Eilat Mazar, a couple

00:39:29.000 decades ago, not by her, somebody found Phoenician artifacts, including a Phoenician capital that

00:39:36.240 decorated top part of a pillar in this area. She goes, why are the Phoenicians here? The Bible

00:39:42.340 tells you they're here to build King David's palace. Therefore, based on that alone, I believe

00:39:48.540 that the palace is here. So she gets some money. She starts digging. Sure enough, out of the ground,

00:39:55.980 giant walls, massive pillars. I mean, you can go stand in it now. It's clearly not some ordinary

00:40:03.380 residential building. Now, again, back to the skeptics, they're like, shoot. They're like,

00:40:09.540 you know, they can't believe it, right? So they come back and they say things like, well,

00:40:14.840 maybe it wasn't a palace. Maybe it was like a royal administrative center for some other purpose.

00:40:20.660 I mean, you want to argue, you want to quibble about it, fair enough, but that it's a royal, palatial, or as archaeologists say, monumental building dated to 1000 BC, 3000 years ago when David lived, that cannot be disputed any longer.

00:40:37.120 Right. And do they universally accept that or are they still disputed?

00:40:40.240 That is now accepted.

00:40:41.720 Again, the argument is, is it fair to call it David's palace, but that it belongs to

00:40:47.720 that time, that it has those dimensions?

00:40:51.320 I mean, it's very hard to argue with something where tourists can come from all over the

00:40:55.160 world, not even Jewish or Christian. 1.00

00:40:56.960 You're going to be some Japanese guy. 0.98

00:40:58.680 Go walk over there and you can see for yourself.

00:41:02.320 So this is the beauty of God using the stones.

00:41:06.600 The stones, stones don't cry out, but God is crying out, I believe, through the stones.

00:41:12.640 Absolutely.

00:41:13.340 Can I ask you a quick question?

00:41:14.240 Well, I told you, I'm going to say again, I tell my son all the time, but I don't know.

00:41:19.780 I tell all my kids.

00:41:21.380 But my family name is David.

00:41:24.720 So I've always, always, my entire life been just fascinated by the whole city of David,

00:41:33.400 which is Jerusalem.

00:41:34.700 and all archaeology having to do with it.

00:41:39.200 And there's miracle after miracles from the extent of my entire life since I could read.

00:41:48.040 And it's just great to know that we're living now where it is corroboration and it is proof.

00:41:55.300 And to me, it's God exposing it for we who see his hand working in the world.

00:42:07.660 Absolutely.

00:42:08.680 When I went to Dartmouth in the early 80s, I was exposed to something called the biblical higher criticism.

00:42:16.340 This is a school of thought that developed in Europe and came to America.

00:42:20.160 and the idea of the biblical higher criticism was essentially to attack the Bible from many

00:42:26.000 directions, historical, literary. And one of those directions was to challenge the accuracy

00:42:34.500 of the text. So they would say, and this is what really got the skeptics all flustered, right?

00:42:41.000 There are prophecies in Isaiah that come true much later. There are prophecies in Jeremiah that

00:42:47.000 come true much later. There are prophecies in Daniel. So Daniel's living at the time of the

00:42:51.340 Persians, and Daniel says basically that the ram of Persia will be overrun by the goat of Greece.

00:42:59.440 I mean, such a mysterious statement, but sure enough, the Persian empire is defeated by Alexander

00:43:04.520 the Great. The goat of Greece overruns the ram of Persia. So the skeptics were like, this can't be 0.76

00:43:10.160 true. There's no way for Daniel to have known this in advance. Therefore, the book of Daniel

00:43:15.040 must have been written later, after the Greeks conquered. And so they went back and put in these

00:43:21.100 prophecies, which had already occurred. So this was the sort of suspicion, right? And I call this

00:43:26.960 armchair skepticism, because the people who are making it haven't done any archaeology. They just

00:43:31.760 sit in their armchair, and they go, sitting in my armchair here, you know, in Berlin, it doesn't look

00:43:36.840 to me like this could have happened. No one can prophesy the future. Now, the beauty of the Dead

00:43:41.900 Sea Scrolls, is that prior to the Dead Sea Scrolls, with a couple of exceptions, there

00:43:48.380 were some other interesting finds, but I'll put that aside.

00:43:51.660 You know, the Masoretic text, which was the Hebrew, the official Hebrew scriptures, was

00:43:56.480 from 1,000 AD.

00:43:58.220 This was the Leningrad Codex, was the oldest text.

00:44:01.860 So 1,000 AD is a long way from King David.

00:44:05.080 It's a long way from Daniel or Jeremiah.

00:44:09.500 And so the skeptics were like, how do we know that the scribes haven't like altered the text, put stuff in, taken stuff out?

00:44:16.880 And the beauty of the Dead Sea Scrolls, found by a Muslim boy, by the way, searching for a goat, he finds these jars and he looks at the, and part of this massive volume of scrolls is the Great Isaiah Scroll.

00:44:30.620 And the cool thing is you can put the Great Isaiah Scroll on the left and the Masoretic text. 0.60

00:44:35.260 Now, the Great Isaiah Scroll dates to about 300 BC.

00:44:39.280 Wow.

00:44:39.860 And the Masoretic text is 1000 AD.

00:44:42.740 You can put them side by side.

00:44:44.160 Now, there are some tiny discrepancies, eras of copying, but there's no significant discrepancy.

00:44:50.600 It's the same.

00:44:51.340 And so quite obviously, the text, which was a sacred text, was copied with the greatest care.

00:44:58.040 And we can feel really confident that the Bible that we're holding in our hand is the same Bible that was around 2000 years ago and more.

00:45:07.740 It's amazing.

00:45:08.520 I had a quick question for you.

00:45:09.780 You said early on in this podcast that this was prophesied that this time science and archaeology and God would converge.

00:45:19.600 Where's that prophecy or where can people look that up?

00:45:24.040 That's real deep Judaism that you have to be a student of Torah to study.

00:45:29.000 You're not going to, I guess you could.

00:45:32.440 But it's been said.

00:45:33.300 It wouldn't be advised to look up online for it because of that stuff.

00:45:38.060 It's all corrupted by, I don't know what you call them.

00:45:43.580 But there's probably something in the Bible.

00:45:46.040 Well, very interestingly—

00:45:47.220 It's deep, deep Torah study.

00:45:49.780 Okay.

00:45:50.100 I will say that from the Christian side, you have the exact same messages in the Christian scriptures,

00:45:56.060 particularly in the book of Revelation, which is a prophetic book.

00:46:00.600 It basically talks about, in the end times, certain things you have to look for.

00:46:05.240 Right.

00:46:05.400 and it's and you have to look for kind of all of them you can't look for one or two right

00:46:09.600 so but it says things like and debbie and i were just talking about this a couple of weeks ago

00:46:13.580 it says things like like every eye will see right exactly things will happen and everybody will

00:46:20.780 know about them at the same time and we're thinking to ourselves if something happened

00:46:24.220 in the world even 30 years ago it would be very hard for every eye to see it right right in fact

00:46:31.560 quite honestly biblical events took hundreds in some cases thousands of years for the message to

00:46:37.460 get out to the ends of the earth it took a long time but we have now entered a period where it

00:46:42.520 is conceivable and it'll be even more so in the future where something could happen and it could

00:46:46.940 happen in jerusalem it could happen in northern israel and everybody in the world will be able

00:46:51.680 to see it at the same time so that biblical condition yeah we're there now we're there now

00:46:56.720 it says in the the you know judaic study that uh one image will be seen in a billion places at once

00:47:07.220 well that's the internet i think yeah it's uh you know they didn't know there was i'm you know i

00:47:15.220 think they were shown the future that it's going to be way different we won't be riding around on

00:47:21.120 camels you know of course every everyone then uh who wrote those things or the oracles of torah

00:47:31.440 um had a very very deep connection and uh you know that was all that was everything to them they

00:47:40.680 didn't have to have jobs and you know that was you know their essence yeah so you know i think

00:47:49.500 we're just we're seeing that right now i always say this on the show we're seeing that the torah

00:47:56.680 itself is a time machine and it's a time warp and the things that are written in there are

00:48:03.460 occurring right now you know such as saying uh you know that the jews will be in exile for a

00:48:10.680 very long time suffering and you know going through things but that they will return and

00:48:16.900 once returned will never be up you know supplanted or uh removed again well look at

00:48:25.460 the facts of the world and that it will become a great power a great and it it says uh you know

00:48:34.000 in the end we'll we'll beat our plowshares into swords well like i said about israeli uh

00:48:41.920 weapons the technology of those weapons and they are weapons of deterrence not of conquest or you

00:48:50.720 know uh destruction yeah they're weapons of deterrence and i feel like wow that i can't

00:48:59.220 wait till people understand that that's what that means let me take the first line of the bible

00:49:03.940 right in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth so the assumption here is that

00:49:08.800 there was nothing and then there was a universe so in other words the universe had a beginning

00:49:16.600 now it's important to realize that until the 20th century the mainstream philosophical view which

00:49:24.240 goes back to aristotle is that the universe was eternal the atheism of the 19th century was based

00:49:30.680 upon the idea that you didn't have a beginning for the universe god couldn't have created it

00:49:35.200 because it's always been there.

00:49:37.480 Now today, the atheists are on the defensive

00:49:40.660 because in the 20th century,

00:49:42.680 really in our lifetime,

00:49:44.300 it was proven for the first time

00:49:45.880 that the universe undoubtedly had a beginning.

00:49:49.160 So Genesis 1 is completely correct about that.

00:49:52.600 And so atheism now is to explain

00:49:54.420 how through some quantum fluctuation,

00:49:57.900 out of nothing came a universe.

00:50:00.220 I mean, that's a heck of a task, right? 0.70

00:50:01.920 In fact, it goes back to the Greeks.

00:50:03.180 they said out of nothing nothing in other words there has to be an intelligent creative agent

00:50:08.560 so suddenly the believer is on offense and the skeptic is on defense because how do you account

00:50:17.140 for how we got a universe if there was nothing before that right so it's like the greatest

00:50:22.020 paradigm shift ever of the human mind and soul and heart and the beauty of it is the guys who

00:50:29.480 wrote it down, the writers of Genesis never did any experiments. They weren't scientists.

00:50:37.880 They just said, God told me, and I'm putting it down. And as it turns out, here we are thousands

00:50:44.180 of years later, and we have all this information, and we're basically going... One of my professors,

00:50:50.740 actually, a geologist at Dartmouth now, he's now passed away, I believe, Robert Jastrow,

00:50:55.580 he said you know for us as physicists he goes it's like we're climbing up this mountain we're

00:50:59.900 searching for knowledge we're picking up knowledge here we're picking up knowledge there he goes we 0.87

00:51:04.020 get to the top of the mountain and he goes damn it there's a bunch of theologians sitting up here

00:51:09.140 who have been here for centuries he goes it's a little bit of a dismaying feeling that science 0.69

00:51:15.300 has kind of come around to embracing the basics of theology well i mean that's the whole

00:51:25.700 proof that the thinkers would come to truth right right because you know they're always

00:51:40.940 down here going that the truth isn't true and i can prove it that's basically what they've always

00:51:47.600 said the truth there is no truth there is no ultimate truth and i can prove it because you

00:51:54.640 know i'll go this way that way through like a rat through a maze uh a labyrinth but in the end it's

00:52:02.600 like wow i just hit a wall you know i've discovered over the years that the people who say things like

00:52:08.380 there is no truth. All values are relative. It's true for you, but it may not be true for me.

00:52:15.500 None of these people actually believe that. They're all insincere. And the way you can prove

00:52:21.120 it to them is all you have to do is take something that they believe in and attack it.

00:52:27.240 Right? So say something like, well, if since all values are relative, surely you would be okay with

00:52:33.280 like gay bashing. And they go, no, no, no, no, I'm not okay with that. And you go, well, you're not 0.90

00:52:38.060 okay with that but i am and you have no basis for telling me because your values are relative to you

00:52:42.800 then they go no no no no there should be a law against that you're like oh are you saying it's

00:52:46.820 wrong for everybody yeah and they're like well yeah and you know so this is how you unmask this 0.99

00:52:52.900 bogus relativism yeah because you just mirror them because they are truly ridiculous and they're 1.00

00:52:59.700 anti-human they're anti uh life and you know they just love bullshit they're addicted to bullshit 1.00

00:53:08.320 they can't get enough of it like don king once said to me they will eat 10 yards of bullshit 1.00

00:53:15.560 with both hands they can't get enough of it they rather have bullshit than uh to protect their own 1.00

00:53:23.560 children from it even though they know it kills them they love it i mean that's like a a satanic 0.96

00:53:32.000 veil i was gonna say the the human tendency to absolutely be magnetically drawn to things that

00:53:42.720 are not only untrue and wrong but like deviant and sick and twisted tells you there has to be

00:53:49.700 a whole other dimension. This is not just ignorance. There is a perversion here of the heart. 0.99

00:53:56.620 And this is ultimately, you know, why we need a Bible, because, I mean, the great philosopher

00:54:00.580 Leo Strauss, he says, Western civilization is based on Athens and Jerusalem. Now, even the

00:54:07.200 skeptic or atheist, well, we love Athens because it's Socrates and, you know, it's the gadfly,

00:54:12.360 it's free speech, it's the theater, it's, you know, it's the beginning of democracy. All right.

00:54:18.400 but the thing that they don't like and they don't want to admit they don't like jerusalem they don't

00:54:24.600 like the account of creation they don't like the exodus they don't like the chosenness of the jews

00:54:30.000 they don't like the ten commandments they don't like the idea of prophecy they don't like any of 0.99

00:54:34.860 it and so to me quite honestly like one of the things that was very attractive to me about doing

00:54:39.940 this project was guess what i want i not just want to vindicate the accuracy of the biblical text

00:54:46.760 But I also want to show the presence of the Jews in their ancestral homeland beyond a

00:54:51.540 doubt.

00:54:52.020 Because the next time I hear someone go, the Jews are colonizers, I go, really? 0.94

00:54:56.660 The Jews are colonizing their own land, right?

00:54:58.920 This is like accusing the Indians of colonizing India or the Irish of colonizing Ireland.

00:55:03.880 I mean, it's absurd, right?

00:55:05.420 And third, I want to support the Jerusalem pillar of Athens and Jerusalem.

00:55:11.240 And that, by the way, supports not only Western civilization, it supports America.

00:55:15.180 Yes, it does. 0.83

00:55:15.980 well it supports christianity and uh islam too i mean it's it supports all of it so it's a weird

00:55:23.200 well not not the radical anti you know i i think that it is uh when they're anti-jews i i've just

00:55:31.480 been saying this when they don't like the jews they just don't like our god yeah they hate our

00:55:38.280 god they hate god and they hate god's words because they have somehow convinced themselves 1.00

00:55:45.440 that they're smarter than god and they love to attempt to prove that yeah over and over and

00:55:53.460 even though they're always wrong and proven wrong you know in a lot of ways if you can see it

00:56:02.660 uh they never say they're wrong they never apologize they never take responsibility for

00:56:11.040 the people they destroy in their studies um they're just there is evil there is evil and to go

00:56:19.800 and put yourself on the same level as god is just evil i think also one of the in the christian

00:56:30.320 scriptures one of the signs of the end times is that the children of god which starts with the

00:56:35.720 jews are going to be under increasing attack yeah right and have we seen i mean we saw the 0.54

00:56:41.900 concentrated horrors of nazism and so on but have you seen i haven't seen the kind of worldwide

00:56:48.200 attack on on the jews that we're seeing from far distant places that frankly don't even know a jew

00:56:55.120 yeah um but so how do you develop this pathological hatred when you've never met a jew

00:57:01.300 But they don't like the idea. 1.00

00:57:02.600 Well, like me and Jake said, but if they met us, they'd be even worse.

00:57:07.540 They'd really hate us.

00:57:10.140 Well, my friend Sam Ornstein has a great line.

00:57:12.880 And he's actually talking about the flawed people of the Bible.

00:57:16.640 And he goes, when you read everybody else's literature, they all seem so great and so perfect. 0.50

00:57:22.180 He goes, in the Bible, he goes, if you take God out of it, it looks like it was written by an anti-Semite.

00:57:28.040 because the heroes are so flawed and you're like really this guy yeah so um but i i do think that

00:57:36.820 it is the power of the bible it's not only the fact that it is human it doesn't flinch from

00:57:44.220 um very harsh truths about humanity and about nature right that's right so for example king

00:57:50.660 Solomon, the wise king, fabled for his wisdom, but Solomon was pretty ruthless. And when Solomon

00:57:59.220 came to power, he had a rival, one of the other sons of David, who had his eye on the throne. 0.99

00:58:06.600 Solomon immediately dispatched someone, go kill that guy. This kind of stuff is rarely talked

00:58:11.180 about. I know in the Christian churches, you'll never hear a sermon about Solomon's Machiavellian

00:58:15.820 ruthlessness you know but there was that element to him and the bible does not flinch from it the

00:58:21.880 bible is like here it is yeah i and i love that about it's like game of thrones even king david

00:58:27.180 one you know he he wanted back but sheba you know and so he impregnated her and send her husband to

00:58:34.800 the front lines to get killed right and uh nathan goes what you know what would you what would you

00:58:42.280 do to somebody who stole someone's wife impregnated her and then killed him and david said well he

00:58:48.860 should be killed and nathan goes well that's you honey and then david wept and repented because 0.53

00:58:57.080 judaism always talks about repenting and getting right with god again so it always gives us a way 0.99

00:59:05.520 to redeem ourselves and, you know, through repentance and coming back. So that's something

00:59:12.440 that's very lost too. But I think it, you know, the teachings of Judaism, they need to be re-studied

00:59:20.780 and re-discussed because they've buried it under a load of bullshit that some wizards 0.84

00:59:33.740 and uh witches rewrote and it's just horrible but i i know god's gonna fix it but uh and is 0.97

00:59:42.900 fixing it but a lot of people that hate jews they don't like you say don't know jews well they don't

00:59:48.220 know nothing about judaism either and they think it's the stuff that nazis wrote it is like they

00:59:56.220 think it's a straw man that they made up and they accept that because it's they need somebody to

01:00:04.700 hate no i'm debating andrew wilson and we're talking about um the topic comes up of a lot of

01:00:09.460 these kind of depravities of modern times right promiscuity all this stuff about you know um the

01:00:18.120 trans phenomena and all this sort of debauchery and this guy with a straight face argues i trace 1.00

01:00:24.520 modern departures to the heresy that I call Judaism. And I'm like, Andrew, pause. I go, 1.00

01:00:33.720 Jews have maintained an intact society, even scattered around the world for thousands of

01:00:42.000 years. You can go into places like Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice, and you can see, even though

01:00:47.020 Shakespeare is giving a fairly, in a way, harsh portrait, particularly of Shylock, you can see

01:00:52.020 what he's saying about the Jewish community. It is very conservative. It's very frugal.

01:00:57.360 At one point, Shiloh goes, I don't want to go to these Christian homes because they drink way too 1.00

01:01:01.160 much and they engage in all this revelry. And I have a very sober house. I go, there is no 1.00

01:01:06.940 debauchery. There's no trans phenomena going on here. This is absurd. What happened ultimately 1.00

01:01:13.640 is you have modern secularism. People start pulling away from Judaism and Christianity.

01:01:18.720 they become less religious in general and a lot of these debaucheries that you're talking about

01:01:23.900 come out of the movement away from the judeo-christian code so why are you trying to

01:01:30.460 pin it on the jews why are you trying to blame them well hitler blamed jews for communism too 0.67

01:01:35.520 it comes from that philosophy that uh you know uh jews invented communism but it was actually the

01:01:43.960 British who did and blamed the Jews. But, you know, that's a whole economic thing that we won't

01:01:49.300 go into. But Andrew Wilson is, he's a fairly good debater on certain subjects, but he should zip it

01:01:59.320 when it comes to Jews. I'm sure he's never met a religious Jew or a practicing Jew, but he should 1.00

01:02:07.660 zip his fat lip when it comes to talking about Judaism, because he knows nothing other than 0.94

01:02:15.480 stuff he got from Nazism, and he should sincerely zip it. But these people that are making 0.92

01:02:25.260 themselves visible with their Nazi philosophies and their embrace of all that, it's something 0.82

01:02:36.700 that should be seen because they are all humiliating themselves right and left let's 0.51

01:02:44.080 talk about Tucker let's talk about Candace it's so hilarious what a laugh I have every day at the

01:02:52.560 new hijinks they're walking into I I I they are getting exactly what they were warned they were

01:03:02.580 gonna get you know when i was here last time uh i was actually quite actively in polemics with

01:03:08.300 tucker and and also dispensing some scorn toward candace and in recent months i've realized 0.99

01:03:15.280 it's kind of wise at this point to step back why because you don't need to be kicking their ass 0.99

01:03:24.400 when they're kicking their own ass yeah i mean every day they come out with something even more 0.99

01:03:29.480 insane than what they said the previous day and you're like at some point this is becoming a a 0.98

01:03:37.100 freak show it is a freak show and it's hilarious it is he lair e us because uh they just uh

01:03:46.440 tyler robinson's or whatever his name is is that his name yeah that's his name robertson

01:03:51.320 robinson yeah his uh defense just go okay he did it but we don't want you to kill him

01:03:59.480 And, oh, my God, did Candace flee.

01:04:03.160 If she could have gone to another planet, she would have. 0.97

01:04:07.040 Because they're just exposing themselves with their arrogance.

01:04:11.300 The defense also goes, you know, in these texts, you know, he's not telling the other guy to obstruct justice.

01:04:19.580 But the defense is admitting the texts are valid because they wouldn't need to say any of this if they were contesting the legitimacy.

01:04:26.700 So Candace had maintained that those texts are false.

01:04:29.720 Yeah.

01:04:30.220 The other thing has to do with the video of Tyler Robinson on the campus.

01:04:34.420 Yeah, I saw that.

01:04:35.460 The military crawl.

01:04:35.900 Candace had implied, not implied, she said he wasn't on campus.

01:04:39.320 Yeah.

01:04:39.820 And the shot didn't come from there.

01:04:41.680 And she said there was no shooter up there.

01:04:43.180 And now she's like-

01:04:43.600 It was the exploding microphone.

01:04:44.840 He's doing a military crawl up there.

01:04:46.480 So you just said there's a guy up there now.

01:04:48.200 They constantly-

01:04:49.260 It's like when you were talking about the archaeologists that are critical of the Bible.

01:04:52.820 They keep walking into it and getting caught.

01:04:56.280 and that's how trump has taken down all of them too yeah he's like you know my dad used to always

01:05:02.020 say give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves and that is it period and it is

01:05:07.600 hilarious uh we're going to see a great comedian tonight together yeah i'm excited this will show

01:05:15.440 after we do it ben bankus he really puts points together doesn't he isn't he brilliant he is and

01:05:23.440 he also goes, he goes there, you know, and he does it under the kind of the guise or the cover

01:05:30.280 of humor, if you will. But Debbie and I just found him on YouTube and we've just found ourselves

01:05:35.280 laughing out loud. And then we watched a couple of his specials and we said, we need to go see

01:05:39.380 this guy one of these days. And then when we found out he was playing here, we're like,

01:05:44.720 hey, our friend Roseanne is in the general area. So that's how this came about beautifully. And so

01:05:50.700 we're gonna go together oh my god do we love that guy in his family his uh little daughter she she

01:05:56.940 thinks i'm she i went to her birthday party and she told me you're my fairy godmother she thinks

01:06:05.420 i'm her fairy oh yeah but uh but uh anyway people are just uh ready to connect dots they're ready

01:06:18.400 to see what's really real they're ready to cast aside the uh brain rot and the mind control that

01:06:26.260 they've been under by these so-called experts like fauci and they see it now and it's just a great

01:06:33.100 day it's a wonderful day fact is just appearing i think through god's hand kids god's going come on

01:06:40.880 smarten up now i didn't i didn't breathe the reason into your the body i formed out of dust

01:06:47.060 for you to be acting like this now come on smarten up absolutely you know about 2010 i did a series

01:06:54.380 of debates with these prominent so-called new atheists uh richard dawkins christopher hitchens

01:07:00.340 people like that and um and i realized that while what they were selling was not that appealing to

01:07:07.100 people because people have a spiritual side and so if you just tell them we're all made up of atoms

01:07:11.080 and molecules we're nothing there's just no nobody wants to believe that about themselves right but

01:07:16.680 But the one thing that they were talking about that did go through is they were like, well, we have been raised on a lot of stories and we need to be able to check those out for ourselves.

01:07:29.500 And a lot of young people were like, that's true.

01:07:31.460 We actually need to be able to sort of see and hear.

01:07:35.640 And so this is kind of the light that went on in my head when I saw the archaeology for the first time.

01:07:43.120 I was like, you know what, this will give you a chance when it comes to this book called

01:07:47.440 the Bible that you've heard about since you were a kid, but this will give you a chance

01:07:51.080 to sort of see and touch and feel with your own senses and use your own brain.

01:07:58.820 And so I also try in the book to teach you a little bit about how to think archaeologically.

01:08:05.340 Right.

01:08:05.740 Because, you know, biblical places don't come with name tags, right?

01:08:09.880 You have to, how do you know this is ancient Bet-El?

01:08:13.480 How do you know?

01:08:14.620 So these are the ways that you find out.

01:08:17.960 Well, you have to research and study.

01:08:20.900 You don't just accept what someone says or writes.

01:08:25.480 You have to have various sources to make it into scholarship and truth.

01:08:31.760 Right.

01:08:32.220 And yet, you know, it's really nice to have the Bible in one hand and your spade or shovel in the other hand.

01:08:37.700 because you get clues from the one

01:08:39.740 and then you go dig.

01:08:41.260 So the dig has to support

01:08:43.060 the trail that you're following.

01:08:47.880 But the Bible,

01:08:49.360 the secular archaeologist who says,

01:08:51.200 I don't need the Bible.

01:08:52.100 I'm just going to go dig.

01:08:53.620 Well, he's not going to know where to dig

01:08:55.140 and he's not going to know what he finds.

01:08:57.880 The Bible becomes an essential tool.

01:09:02.140 And so this is the field of biblical archaeology.

01:09:04.740 Now, the secular people,

01:09:05.720 they don't even like the name

01:09:06.760 biblical archaeology they're like let's rename it like near eastern archaeology yeah and okay i mean

01:09:13.160 i'm not i don't want to fight about the name but the truth of it is you can't do near eastern

01:09:17.680 archaeology without reference to the great history of the jewish people aka the hebrew bible right 1.00

01:09:25.780 well i think that's why they want to get rid of us and the the uh endless onslaught of all these 1.00

01:09:32.000 thousands of years they need to erase us too to get rid of the bible yeah because they don't like

01:09:38.300 it well first of all they hate god second they hate his word and that's why they hate the jews

01:09:43.540 it isn't because we're so hot and so great it's because we we like those things and they are of

01:09:51.780 us and we are of them it's the distinctive jewish i mean the jewish contribution to the world is

01:09:57.100 huge, but this is the most unique and distinctive aspect of the Jewish gift to the world. And I

01:10:04.160 think you're right that if Satan is going to conduct his campaign against God, he can't take

01:10:10.620 on God directly. He's not going to win, but he can target the precious things of God, God's creation.

01:10:18.720 Think of it, the moral order, the distinction between male and female, male and female,

01:10:23.100 created them attack all those things and boy do we see it happening in our in our time yeah and

01:10:29.880 look at the confusion and the misery that's left in the wake of all that of these children and i

01:10:36.200 thank god that trump uh you know that they said medicaid or medicare is not going to cover the

01:10:42.420 mutilation the sexual mutilation of children anymore and it's like to hear that language from

01:10:49.600 our uh government from our president and to see these uh wizards and uh witches and warlocks and

01:10:58.100 all that just uh you know slither in anger is just fantastic it's another

01:11:06.080 hilarious thing that makes me laugh every day and yet it's so unbelievable that this

01:11:13.220 has been going on i mean the idea that not only do you have these mutilations going on

01:11:18.340 of kids no less but the idea that the taxpayer you and i are actually funding it and we're evil for

01:11:25.760 not being supportive of it right the gaslight i want to say the last time you were here was for

01:11:30.680 dragon prophecy jonathan con's book that you made into a movie and i urge everyone amazing it's some

01:11:36.920 of the stuff you said today you referenced before i urge everyone to go find that episode and watch

01:11:40.800 that again and watch your movie obviously i'm trying to plug the podcast but check his movie

01:11:45.240 Yeah, go pay for it.

01:11:45.980 But all of this is in line.

01:11:47.700 We talked about this last time you were here, that we really did feel like the biblical

01:11:51.280 prophecy of end days was now.

01:11:54.640 And I don't know, since that conversation and this new book, it seems like that's only

01:11:59.740 been reinforced.

01:12:00.480 I actually now 1,000% believe that.

01:12:03.660 It's intensifying because the light of God is getting brighter and brighter as it pierces

01:12:11.140 through the darkness.

01:12:12.840 We are there now.

01:12:13.480 Yeah. In general, I'm very cautious about biblical prophecy because, as we know, if we pick up, say, Nostradamus, there are things that are very vague and you can't be sure what they're referring to. But the prophecy, you mentioned it earlier, of the return of the Jews to their ancient homeland, something that no other people have ever done. It happens in 1948. And by the way, the Dead Sea Scrolls are discovered in 1947.

01:12:36.820 It's almost as if the validation of the Hebrew scriptures comes on the eve of the formation of the state of Israel.

01:12:44.400 Not only that, but one reason we are in a golden age of archaeology is prior to that, Israel was under the British mandate and earlier the Ottoman Empire, and you couldn't go digging wherever you wanted.

01:12:54.600 It was very hard.

01:12:55.480 But now Israel is open for archaeology.

01:12:58.960 And so the first wave of archaeology is like 1850 to 1948.

01:13:03.400 1948. The second wave, 1948 to 2000. And the third wave, the biggest one, 2000 to now and ongoing.

01:13:12.140 And so this is a field that is very rich today. And so part of my goal is to kind of, even though

01:13:17.700 I've done the book and the book is just, look, it makes it easy for you. Because people go,

01:13:23.200 you know, I'm not a student of archaeology. I really don't know anything about it. You don't

01:13:26.820 need to. My job is to make it easy for you and to cross that bridge between academia and your

01:13:33.180 brain you know what my friend who's dead now was a professor of uh linguistics at boston university

01:13:40.520 and she had seven degrees latin oh god everything but she called it academentia

01:13:48.740 academentia i like because of the the uh revision of history that happens there

01:13:56.640 the total revision of history that was happening she died about 10 years ago but she was very

01:14:04.400 very concerned with the revision of history happening on american uh campuses the next

01:14:11.600 time we talk i want to go into the way in which the terms fascism yes the revisionism around

01:14:19.120 fascism racism the history of the democratic party absolutely we've done work on this in our

01:14:25.220 earlier films and it is mind-blowing the way in which essentially not facts and perspectives are

01:14:33.500 changed but they're changed because of academic movements that are like we need to bury this

01:14:39.160 right now yeah uh because this is going to make us look bad for a hundred years if we leave it in

01:14:44.300 the textbooks right which is and then i mean and it is a for a nefarious horrible reason too

01:14:52.200 and it all does come back to uh you know it's not just anti-semitism but it's you know again

01:15:03.020 a hatred of god a hatred of people's connection to god a hatred of the human spirit and soul

01:15:09.120 they hate that they want to think we're just a bunch of robots and they hook us up to you know

01:15:16.060 they're getting us ready to hook us up to artificial intelligence which is bereft any

01:15:21.440 soul or spirit right yeah i mean to me the core message of the bible is moral accountability

01:15:27.640 and it's a desire to evade moral accountability that drives the hostility to the bible the people

01:15:34.620 who want to evade moral accountability can't say that and so they act like well i just don't think

01:15:39.700 there's enough there for me to believe right they they mask their attack by by acting like the

01:15:46.200 evidence just isn't there and if it were there they would be all on board and why would you want

01:15:51.420 to avoid that which they wouldn't but but but what i go is all right you know be that as it may you

01:15:57.120 want the evidence as it turns out there's a lot of evidence we're gonna we're gonna put it in front

01:16:01.860 of you but i hate that they use the word believe when they're referring to fact fact you know they

01:16:09.520 so they don't believe in fact you know and i'm coming back just as we close out to my

01:16:17.000 debate with andrew wilson i realized that i was in a hostile environment right you've got all

01:16:21.920 these young men they're like a lot of them have little beards and they all have that sort of

01:16:26.340 uniform of the groiper you know so i get up there and i go listen i go you might think this is going

01:16:33.060 to be a very unpleasant evening for me because i'm sort of in the lion's den but in reality it's

01:16:37.540 going to be a very unpleasant evening for you because for the next 90 minutes i'm going to be

01:16:41.760 administering a lot of suppositories that are going to make you feel very uncomfortable but

01:16:46.740 they are the suppositories of truth that you actually need to experience and in the end they're

01:16:51.600 good for you so so sit back and relax and let me do my thing even if it causes you a little bit of

01:16:59.180 You were fantastic in that.

01:17:01.180 You're a fantastic spokesperson and soul for truth.

01:17:07.900 I love that you love truth.

01:17:11.680 I love people who love truth.

01:17:14.960 And God himself is truth, and he is also love.

01:17:19.800 So loving truth is loving God, in my humble, loudmouthed opinion.

01:17:29.180 And I just want to say that I love your work.

01:17:33.240 I love your mind.

01:17:34.280 I love your soul.

01:17:35.740 I love your commitment to life and truth.

01:17:40.320 You too, Debbie.

01:17:42.000 And thank you so much for coming again.

01:17:45.300 And boy, are we going to have a hoot tonight when we go to Ben Bankus.

01:17:50.280 We're getting ready to laugh uproariously.

01:17:53.060 Absolutely.

01:17:54.080 Thank you so much.

01:17:55.320 It's always a pleasure your third time and hope to have you back soon.

01:17:58.500 we love it you guys oh yeah we gotta hold up the book hold it up one more hey hey y'all thanks for

01:18:05.220 coming remember love truth and love of truth thank you dinesh pre-order on amazon pre-order

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